Should Nolan hire Danny Elfman this time?

[Catman]

NOTE: I don't wanna read any, "Danny Elfman's music wouldn't fit Nolan's "realistic" world vision. Thats a load of crap and you know it. Elfman has composed plenty of films taking place in the real world. Plus, he composed the Men in Black movies which take place in a modern (and pretty realistic) New York City. So, lets stop with that.

My post:

I don't know if Zimmer/Newton Howard have been signed yet. But, if they don't return should Nolan bring Danny Elfman on board? Now with The Joker as the villain I think Elfman's music would be brilliant. Cause regardless of how serious Nolan's Joker is, the character will always be a guy with a clown face laughing all the time and making jokes. So, there's always gonna be some tongue & cheek music following the character around. Even Shirley Walker understood this when working on the cartoons and animated films. Go back and watch the cartoons. The music for the villains were serious and even emotional at times. The Joker was the one who had that circus-type and silly theme. And, it fit the character perfectly. So, if Shirley Walker has already proven that its what fits the character then I don't know why Elfman can't step in and compose a new version of his Joker Waltz. While at the same time providing Batman with the heroic theme he deserves.

[DA Harvey Dent]

I could care less who composes it as long as they stick to the style of BB - that deep resonating dark intimidating sound. This fits Nolan's Batman.

[Elisha Cuthbert]

I liked Zimmer/Howard's score in the first, because it was PERFECT for the tone of Batman Begins, just like Elfman's was perfect for Tim Burton's. Now that the film is no longer about the beginning of Batman's career I'm sure that Zimmer and Howard's score will change to match the new movie. I don't want Elfman because he'd remind me too much of burton's batman and burton's version of the joker...which we won't see in this film.

[explode7]

Are u really Elisha Cuthbert???

[baronghede]

No.

[rashad]

No. I would like Zimmer and Howard to return and score TDK.

[Rayne]

Danny Elfman's music wouldn't fit Nolan's "realistic" world vision.


Seriously...did you watch Batman Begins??


Elfman hasn't done much aside from "Burton Bombs" in the last decade, and his music is just a style that is so far different than what Nolan's films are on screen. The two perfect composers for BB were Zimmer & Newton-Howard, and I hope that at least one, if not both, come back. Every time I hear a Danny Elfman tune, I think it's time for Halloween and that I should go cut something and act like a retard. I hope he's never even thought about.

[batman44]

No thanks.

[Steelsheen]

i posted something like this awhile back. i'm not sure if i want to have Elfman back because he has a tendency to referrence himself too much (like John Williams). however, i would really like that the Batman theme that Elfman composed be weaved into the current style of this franchise, its doesnt have to be the whole theme, just the notable 5-6 notes that you can hum right off the top of your head.

[antmanx68]

I really dont want Elfman or the them for The Dark Knight.... it should be something fresh but sticking with the Begins style. I would seriously consider Clint Mansell if they didnt get the other 2 back. His style would fit very well with Batman AND Joker.

[Elisha Cuthbert]

Are u really Elisha Cuthbert???
Yes. :)

[explode7]

Yeah right your not Elisha.

[Fenrir]

No, Elfman should not be anywhere near this franchise.

All they need to do is bring back Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard combo and tell those guys to bump up their game a notch. Even though their work on Begins was great, there is a lot of room for improvement for it's nowhere near to the level of these two great composers at their best (a lot of the music in Begins is repeated and recycled and they seriously need to fix that). Seriously, we have got two of whom are considered to be arguably the most well-known and talented composers in the biz today (well, aside from John Williams) working together on the Begins sequel and here we have Elfman junkies.

Enough Elfman, I say! :mad:

No seriously, he put out a great score for the Burton films but he also has a very distinct style that is instantly recognizable as "Elfman" and I don't want that. The Begins score was a much-needed breath of fresh air in that it was completely different Batman music than we've ever heard before - tribal drums, heavy electronics, all very atmospheric stuff instead of the heroic trumpet march we've heard before oh-so-many times.

Anyways, perhaps since it was their first collaberation was why these two greats couldn't give anything closer to their finest work but now as they have grown more accustomed to each other's styles they can really hit it out of the ballpark. Can't wait to see what these two amazing composers come up with, especially since Nolan has said that it's going to be even darker than Begins. Let's hope WB locks them down for The Dark Knight.

[The Chairman]

Should they bring back Elfman? No. His theme is classic.

But I'd definitely like a new composer, because I thought the score for BB was very flat and unmemorable.

[StorminNorman]

Elfman's Origina Theme is vastly overrated :(

[The Chairman]

Elfman's Origina Theme is vastly overrated :(

WRONG.

[Matis17]

[B]I don't wanna read any, "Danny Elfman's music wouldn't fit Nolan's "realistic" world vision. Thats a load of crap and you know it.No. I don't know it.:)

[Soundwave88]

Elfman is done with Batman and Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard theme is perfect for this new Batman

[Super Kal]

I like the new theme better than the B89 theme, so I say keep the current compsers...

[I Am The Knight]

Hey, no ties to the old movies!

[Anita18]

I don't want Elfman because he'd remind me too much of burton's batman and burton's version of the joker...which we won't see in this film.
Completely agreed. I wanted to lynch somebody every time the Williams theme came up in SR.

[kpjoon]

I've seen fan vids of elfman's score with begin's footage and all I can say is... Elfman and Nolan do not mix. I usually love hearing Elfman's batman score but for some reason I loathed it to death while watching it with Begins footage.
Elfman, like Shumacher, should come nowhere near the new franchise.

[xanberkeley]

I like the BB music composers just fine. Is Elfman doing Spiderman though? I could be wrong.

[I Am The Knight]

I like the BB music composers just fine. Is Elfman doing Spiderman though? I could be wrong.

He did the first two Spideys. He's not returning for Spidey 3.

[vibeke_T]

yeah...Elfman should touch no part of these films. haha

[Mentok]

No, all of Elfmans work sounds the same to me.

[CConn]

No, all of Elfmans work sounds the same to me.You think so? B89's soundtrack sounds no more similar to me with Edward Scissorhands than, let's say, John William's Star Wars and Superman. To me, at least.

[Bathead]

Nope. I really like Danny's music, but not with this franchise. One of the biggest things that Nolan wanted was for people to know that this movie had nothing to do with any of the others. To use Elfman for TDK would defeat that. Nolan's not that dumb. People need to stop living in the past.

[theShape]

Elfman's Origina Theme is vastly overrated :(


Norm, I'm disappointed in you. :down

[batmaluco]

No. I love Elfman's take but they need to bring back Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard, imo.

[Fenrir]

You think so? B89's soundtrack sounds no more similar to me with Edward Scissorhands than, let's say, John William's Star Wars and Superman. To me, at least.

Actually, when Donner's Superman was a first released, a lot of people criticized John William's Superman theme for being a knock-off of his Star Wars theme. Wierd, huh? :confused:

[Poetic Chaos]

Nah, it would standout. And Nolan doesn't want anything about this movie to standout.

[vibeke_T]

Its all about continuity...

[Shoemeister]

I'm sorry, but, is there a disclaimer somewhere on this massive website that requires a board member to start this useless thread every other week?

Did I miss something...? :confused:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Why?

All you'll do is get criticized the way Superman fans, and SR haters, have criticized Superman Returns for "copying" from the previous music.

And, I know....I know....Elfman wouldn't be copying, since it's his OWN. But, there'd be something to say about having him return with the old theme.

If he doesn't do what he did before, he'll be seen as though he "lost it". If he does the same thing, it'll be seen as "he can't do anything new".

For both the franchise and Elfman....it might just be best to stay away from eachother. And, he's great. But, I think it just opens the floodgates to stuff they just really rather not focus on.

[Catman]

I've seen fan vids of elfman's score with begin's footage and all I can say is... Elfman and Nolan do not mix.

To me this is a stupid comment. If Elfman was hired do you honestly think he'll get the score from B89 and use it again? Of course not! He would write new compositions.

Also, for all you nay-sers, I want to ask a favor. Listen to Elfman's score for the movie, Dead Presidents. When you do I think you'll realize the man is capable of working outside his usual style. Another Elfman score thats outside of his typical style is the 1988 classic, Midnight Run, starting Robert De Niro and Charles Grodin. I'll bet you didn't know he composed the score to the movie. WELL. . .he did!

Its all about continuity...

Yet I recalled the animated series using his theme MANY times. Even that Sub-Zero movie started with some Elfman cues. And that had nothing to do with the movie franchise.

[The_Raven]

I like and respect Elfman, but I thought the score to Begins was perfect.

I see no need to change.

[heypapajinx]

no. and that's just because i associate Elfman with Burton. it would throw everything off.

[Poetic Chaos]

There isn't even a theme for this franchise.

[Catman]

I like and respect Elfman, but I thought the score to Begins was perfect.

I see no need to change.

I think there will be some musical changes in The Dark Knight. With the introduction of The Joker we should be getting a circus-type theme. Like I said in my original post, Shirley Walker proved with the animated series that its what works best for The Joker.

[The_Raven]

I think there will be some musical changes in The Dark Knight. With the introduction of The Joker we should be getting a circus-type theme. Like I said in my original post, Shirley Walker proved with the animated series that its what works best for The Joker.

My bad. I meant a change in composers.

[Catman]

no. and that's just because i associate Elfman with Burton. it would throw everything off.

So, every time you watch The Simpsons and hear the theme you start thinking of Tim Burton? WOW! Thats very shocking!

[Saint]

No. Elfman's fare is not the correct tone for this series, regardless of how much I loved his Batman scores.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think it's different, b/c he's known for Batman.

[Fenrir]

Am I the only one who thought the music that plays in Begins when Bruce runs to the cave after Rachel leaves for Arkham Asylum easily surpasses Elfman's theme?

[Catman]

No. Elfman's fare is not the correct tone for this series, regardless of how much I loved his Batman scores.

You're basing your opinion on what you've heard before. If Elfman was hired he would write new compositions that would fit the tone Nolan is going for.

[The_Raven]

Am I the only one who thought the music that plays in Begins when Bruce runs to the cave after Rachel leaves for Arkham Asylum easily surpasses Elfman's theme?

No, you aren't. :up:

[Catman]

Am I the only one who thought the music that plays in Begins when Bruce runs to the cave after Rachel leaves for Arkham Asylum easily surpasses Elfman's theme?

You mean its better than Decent Into Mystery--the score we hear when Batman takes Vicky Vale to the batcave? Then, yeah, you're the only one.

[thedarks0ldier]

Dead Presidents is so tight. Watch that movie now... everyone!

[drunkhomer]

ahhh...bring back hans zimmer

[CConn]

Actually, when Donner's Superman was a first released, a lot of people criticized John William's Superman theme for being a knock-off of his Star Wars theme. Wierd, huh? :confused:I can believe it, actually. They're really quite similar - which isn't that surprising since Williams wrote them both in such a short period of time.

I've noticed Williams "ripping himself off" a few times, actually. Episode I and the first Harry Potter movie, Episode II and Minority Report...

[Electrix]

I liked Batman Begins score. Bring back Zimmer/Howard.

[Katsuro]

Am I the only one who thought the music that plays in Begins when Bruce runs to the cave after Rachel leaves for Arkham Asylum easily surpasses Elfman's theme?

You're not alone. The Begins score was awesome.

I dont know why you'd want to change composers Howard and Zimmer did awesome work, and I cant wait to see what they come up with for the sequel.

[Cinemaman]

No, I don't want to hear his music theme again.

Elfman is great composer and he made great job in B89 and BR, but this Nolan's trilogy wilkl have everuthing different.

I wand Zimmer and Howard to come back, because I liked thier music and I hope they will score for TDK and 3rd movie :up:

[Retroman]

^^I agree.I wouldn't mind David Julyan either. He's done all all of Nolan films except BB and will also be doing The Prestige i think.

[Carmine Falcone]

I've noticed Williams "ripping himself off" a few times, actually.

Yeah, Elfman does that too. (Not to say I don't like him)


as for the topic question: No.

[The Kid]

Hiring elfman would be good.

[Two-Face]

No I don't want Elfman's theme because it's a different franchise.

[ultimatefan]

Enough of that, guys. Elfman´s score was great for Burton´s version of Batman, Zimmer and Howard are great for Nolan´s version.

[New Shh! user.]

I really like all of Elfman's stuff, especially what he did on burton's batman. But i think it's innapropiate to use a composer who's already done Batman. That was a totally different film, and it's theme went with it. This is also a different film, so i don't want to hear Elfman's 'mark' on it.

It's just not appropiate, also seeing as Nolan wants to get as far away as possible from previous films.

[New Shh! user.]

as a side not, i didn't particularly enjoy the second half of the score for begins. Pre-Gotham it was awesome.

[CristiMAN]

BBegins score was amazing. Really groundbracking genius the wat it kept the movie apart the other superhero flicks. Batman Begins its really a kind of a special thing among the so caled "superhero films" scores. No big march resembling the original Superman scores but sounding a litle diferent. I love Danny elfman in Batman and Batman returns as superhero is concerned. Really left me indeferent to him in Spider-man and Hulk. As far as I'm concerned leave Tim Burton, Sam Hamm, Bob Ringwood, Daniel Waters, Bo Welch, Akiva Goldsman, Elliot Goldenthal, Barbara Ling, Joel Schumacher and Danny Elfman away from this new series that it might become the BEST superhero series in movie history. They did their job in the past. Some did the best they could do. Other the worst I ever saw in Batman's almost 70 years. I say keep it fresh and in track with Batman Begins Nolans aproach.

[Mr. Vice]

BBegins score was amazing. Really groundbracking genius the wat it kept the movie apart the other superhero flicks. Batman Begins its really a kind of a special thing among the so caled "superhero films" scores. No big march resembling the original Superman scores but sounding a litle diferent. I love Danny elfman in Batman and Batman returns as superhero is concerned. Really left me indeferent to him in Spider-man and Hulk. As far as I'm concerned leave Tim Burton, Sam Hamm, Bob Ringwood, Daniel Waters, Bo Welch, Akiva Goldsman, Elliot Goldenthal, Barbara Ling, Joel Schumacher and Danny Elfman away from this new series that it might become the BEST superhero series in movie history. They did their job in the past. Some did the best they could do. Other the worst I ever saw in Batman's almost 70 years. I say keep it fresh and in track with Batman Begins Nolans aproach.

*takes a deep breath after reading your post*

whew...

[CristiMAN]

It's like questioning: Should Nolan bring 1989 Batmobile this time? Or Bob Ringwood? Or should Michael Keaton dress the cowl again? Or the yellow oval?

Move on, and we are in track for something big Nolan nails the Joker the way he did Batman in Begins. If we are luck the same crew returns for a third one. Imagine it like a Spider-man aproach. If its done right, we are some lucky batman fans!!!!!!

[silentflute]

Bottom line: HELL NO.

Elfman's music is so awful it makes Lawrence Welk sound good.His Batman89 theme was abysmal and he really as no place being near Nolan's Batman.

[silentflute]

He did the first two Spideys. He's not returning for Spidey 3.

Amen.He butchered Spidey up too.:down

[Eros]

Bottom line: HELL NO.

Elfman's music is so awful it makes Lawrence Welk sound good.His Batman89 theme was abysmal and he really as no place being near Nolan's Batman.

you must be on drugs.:down

[fabman]

He IS on drugs... Danny Elfman is a genius but that doesn't change the fact this is a new franchise and has nothing to do with the pre-2005 Batman movies...

[Ragnarocker]

I for one went nuts when Begins didn't play the Batman theme.. I highly doubt it'll make it in since the first didnt have it, but I can only hope it does.

[Two-Face]

I for one went nuts when Begins didn't play the Batman theme.. I highly doubt it'll make it in since the first didnt have it, but I can only hope it does.



Why should it? I mean it's restart of a franchise unless you think Begins was Batman 5?

[Alonsovich]

Danny Elfman did good with B89... and he did good with everything until Sleepy Hollow. After Sleepy Hollow Mr. Elfman has lowered his standards a lot unfortunately...

[El Payaso]

Elfman's overrated, he's bad, he was never good. People can say everything when they think bashing and negativism is a way to defend something else.

[Saint]

You're basing your opinion on what you've heard before. If Elfman was hired he would write new compositions that would fit the tone Nolan is going for.
No, I'm basing my opinion on every Elfam does. He has a very well-defined style that doesn't fit the tone of Nolan's films.

[El Payaso]

Elfman has a style. When he was hired to score Hulk he did something quite different as he was asked by Ang Lee todo so. Elfman said that Lee heard his compositions and sometimes Ang said 'Mh, no. It is too Elfman'. In the end he created something very different.

Still, the current BB composers are so good that it's craziness to wonder if they should hire someone else, Elfman or who ever.

[Saint]

Yes, I hadn't thought of Hulk (loved that score). But I still prefer to keep Zimmer and Howard.

[CConn]

Yeah, Elfman does that too. (Not to say I don't like him)Oh yeah (BR and Edward Scissorhands' scores were very similar, I thought), but my point was I haven't noticed it anymore than Williams or any other major composer.

As for the topic - which I don't think I ever addressed - simply put, the B89 score is probably my favorite score ever. Elfman may even be my favorite composer. However, Howard and Zimmer's score was also very good, a score I've never had any complaints about, and a score that fit with BB quite well. I really don't see any real need to change it for the sequel, or, more to the point, revert it back to what we had in the past.

I'm not one of those people who don't like or are ashamed of the previous films (the ones Elfman scored, at least), but I do like the musical seperation between BB and B89 and BR as, y'know, they are supposed to be seperate entities, and I wouldn't want to mess all of that up just to get Elfman's familiar melodies back in a Batman movie.

[FCEEVIPER]

No. I would like Zimmer and Howard to return and score TDK.
Bingo!

[Ronny Shade]

I'm sick of Danny Elfman

[Slipping_Halo]

I don't know if Danny Elfman himself should do it, but I think some semblance of the original Elfman score should be used. I don't say it because I think Nolan's Batman should be anything like Burton's, it's just that to me that music transcends the film to the point where it's just the Batman theme. I just see that as Batman's music no matter what form of Batman we're looking at. Obviously a rerecorded and reworked version is in order, but I think that basic motif should be present at least somewhat.

I liked the music from Begins, but it felt to me like it was missing that "Hero" score. It felt like it was leading up to something but didn't get there yet.

[KingOfDreams]

If it ain't broke why fix it? I liked the music in BB.

["V"]

Only if we can get Pat Hingle back as Gordon.

[IamtheBatman]

No. I would like Zimmer and Howard to return and score TDK.

Same here these two men did one hell of a job on the Batman Begins.

[Superman: Idols]

I liked Zimmer/Howard's score in the first, because it was PERFECT for the tone of Batman Begins, just like Elfman's was perfect for Tim Burton's. Now that the film is no longer about the beginning of Batman's career I'm sure that Zimmer and Howard's score will change to match the new movie. I don't want Elfman because he'd remind me too much of burton's batman and burton's version of the joker...which we won't see in this film.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[batboy99]

Yes. :)dont u wish:)

[drunkhomer]

i will be heart broken if dey dont bring back Zimmer and Howard

[Johnny Drama]

.
Elfman hasn't done much aside from "Burton Bombs" in the last decade,



Are you ****ing kidding me? in the 80's and early 90's yes, but in the past decade he has only done 4. Big Fish, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory and Planet Of The Apes. What else has he brought us this decade?

"Desperate Housewives" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410975/)
Spider-Man 2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316654/)
Hulk (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286716/)
Red Dragon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289765/)
Men in Black II (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120912/)

Barry Sonnenfeld's Intergalactic Guide to Comedy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337839/)
Heartbreakers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125022/)
Spy Kids (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0227538/)
The Family Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0218967/)
Proof of Life (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0228750/)


And not to mention the up coming "Charlottes Web", "Meet The Robinsons" and "Hulk 2"

[Catman]

To begin with, I never said to bring back the old theme. So I agree with those who say that. But, I've also said numerous times in this thread that Elfman can compose new compositions.

Secondly, whoever says they don't want and there won't be ties between both franchises ARE SO WRONG! Are you aware that Larry Franco (who produced Begins) was also a producer on Batman Returns? So, right there you already have one tie between both franchises. So, if Larry Franco is involved with these Nolan films then why not Elfman? Cause people would think of Burton films? I doubt it! Elfman's music was used in the animated series and no one was bothered by it.

[super-t]

i do think they should at least omage the least bit of elfman's score in it, or at least have somting that sounds like it at least once in the movie.

[vibeke_T]

Hans Zimmer...hellooooooo. couldnt get any better

[Fenrir]

To begin with, I never said to bring back the old theme. So I agree with those who say that. But, I've also said numerous times in this thread that Elfman can compose new compositions.

Secondly, whoever says they don't want and there won't be ties between both franchises ARE SO WRONG! Are you aware that Larry Franco (who produced Begins) was also a producer on Batman Returns? So, right there you already have one tie between both franchises. So, if Larry Franco is involved with these Nolan films then why not Elfman? Cause people would think of Burton films? I doubt it! Elfman's music was used in the animated series and no one was bothered by it.

Question is, why change composers just for the heck of it? We've got two of highest profile composers collaborating on BB and here you are stuck up with Elfman. In my opinion, Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard at their best easily beat Elfman's finest scores any day. I don't see any reason for change.

[StorminNorman]

The difference between executive connections between the Burton and Nolan Bat-films is that they do not at all play an active role in what the movie audience sees and hears while they watch the movie.

That is the case when it comes with actors, props and musicians.

Bringing back Danny Elfman - or Elfman's work - would be similar to bringing back Pat Hingle or another minor Batman 89 character, or bringing back the extra-long Batmobile.

[BatB]

To be honest, as much as I love Elmans work, and I do. Howard and Zimmer have set up the music style for the new franchise and it makes sense that they continue it. Not that Im trying to knock Elfman, but much of his work has this very similar feeling to one another. Like its all part of one universe. I love the fact that he has a continuity in his work, thats cool as hell. But Howard and Newton have set the tone and style, let them work it.

[Dwarf lord]

You're basing your opinion on what you've heard before. If Elfman was hired he would write new compositions that would fit the tone Nolan is going for.

Is that not how one forms opinions? By taking knowledge of the past and applying it to the future?

[Dwarf lord]

To begin with, I never said to bring back the old theme. So I agree with those who say that. But, I've also said numerous times in this thread that Elfman can compose new compositions.

Secondly, whoever says they don't want and there won't be ties between both franchises ARE SO WRONG! Are you aware that Larry Franco (who produced Begins) was also a producer on Batman Returns? So, right there you already have one tie between both franchises. So, if Larry Franco is involved with these Nolan films then why not Elfman? Cause people would think of Burton films? I doubt it! Elfman's music was used in the animated series and no one was bothered by it.

Do you know anything about filmmaking? Production staff normally just gives money to the film and make sure it runs properly. They don't have much say tone wise. Once they hire the director, it's in his hands. That's not saying they can't fire him, but that rarely happens.

[7Hells]

I wouldnt mind them taking a few notes from Elfman for Jokers sake.
Some "circus" tendency themes for Jokers scenes could add to his sardonic nature.
I mean, lets face it, clowns are scary as is circus music when done right ;)

btw Producers arent always just pocket books.

[Rayne]

I would seriously consider Clint Mansell if they didnt get the other 2 back. His style would fit very well with Batman AND Joker.

Right on, ant. Mansell would be the logical alternative, in my opinion, especially with the rumored "duality" theme in TDK, which I think is a staple of Mansell's work, as he often mixes vastly different sounds together and still maintain a cohesive score. Good suggestion.

[Darknightnomis]

No (Although I'm a big Danny Elfman fan. Oingo Boingo anyone?)

No one associate with the previous series of Batman movies should be associate with this series (accept Michael Ulsan).

[aquiles]

BBegins score was amazing. Really groundbracking genius the wat it kept the movie apart the other superhero flicks. Batman Begins its really a kind of a special thing among the so caled "superhero films" scores. No big march resembling the original Superman scores but sounding a litle diferent. I love Danny elfman in Batman and Batman returns as superhero is concerned. Really left me indeferent to him in Spider-man and Hulk. As far as I'm concerned leave Tim Burton, Sam Hamm, Bob Ringwood, Daniel Waters, Bo Welch, Akiva Goldsman, Elliot Goldenthal, Barbara Ling, Joel Schumacher and Danny Elfman away from this new series that it might become the BEST superhero series in movie history. They did their job in the past. Some did the best they could do. Other the worst I ever saw in Batman's almost 70 years. I say keep it fresh and in track with Batman Begins Nolans aproach.i agree with you 110%:up::up::up::up:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Fanticon]

If the very last movie in this new reimagining of this franchise...I'd say the untitled BB threequel re introduced...but only at the end of the movie, the old Danny Elfman theme from the Burton Batman flix...I wouldn't have a problem with it...but if they re-hire any new music talent to help score the next movie or two...I go with Graeme Revell not Danny Elfman.

[drunkhomer]

Hans Zimmer...hellooooooo. couldnt get any better

EXACTLY!!!!!:up: :up: :up:

[Two-Face]

If Nolan was carry on with old franchise then yeah I would've said "yeah get Elfman" but since this is restart of the new franchise I say "stick with Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard"

HZ & JNH for TDK soundtrack dammit!

[Threshold]

They should obviously try to get back the JNH/Zimmer team for the sequel and just stress that they need a darker atmosphere for the film as well as a few memorable themes that aren't just hypnotic drum/thunder beats.

If they can't get back the JNH/Zimmer team or find that they want a different approach to the score/music of the film... Well, here are a few people I wouldn't mind seeing get a chance to put together a score for The Dark Knight:

-David Julyan (Did great work on Nolan's first three released films Following, Memento, and Insomnia and also reteamed with Nolan on 'The Prestige'. He'd be a great fit for the movie if it does, infact, take a darker and more desperate shift in tone.)

-Howard Shore

-Craig Armstrong

-James Newton Howard (I think that if he were to score the film alone, Howard would be an excellent choice as well. His team up with Zimmer did produce a good score, but I have the feeling that if he were pushed to go it alone... We'd find a Batman movie with a darker score and a few new thematic pieces.)

-Patrick Doyle (It'd be stupid and cliche to say that since Nolan and Doyle are both brits, they should know each other and be in the same realm of working, so I won't say that anymore than I have. However, Doyle did haunting dramatic work on Warner's epic fourth installment of the Harry Potter franchise 'The Goblet of Fire'. His style isn't vastly dissimilar from the style that Zimmer and Howard effected in the first film, so there wouldn't be a major shift in tone musically for the sequel. He's also just damn good and deserves to do another epic flick... besides the impending flop that is Eragon.)

-Harry Gregson-Williams

-John Williams (Might be a bit past his prime, but still puts out damn fine work and wouldn't another DC superhero theme by John Williams be a thought you wouldn't want to surrender? I didn't think so. Check out 'Catch Me If You Can' and a few of the recent Star Wars films to see evidence that he's not only still got it... but still has the uncanny ability to put together delightfully memorable music for film.. and judging from those Star Wars prequels and War of the Worlds, he can also go dark too.)

-Nathan Johnson ([i]If you haven't heard of this guy, don't fret, he's still on the way up. He composed the wonderfully bleak and haunting score for the recent indie flick 'Brick' by Rian Johnson, and it turned out to be one of the most enchanting examples of film scores that I've witnessed in quite some time. He'd be a great, if unproven, addition to Nolan's crew on the Batman films.[i])

That's it. They're probably get Zimmer/JNH back, get one of them seperatley, or just use Nolan's main man Julyan (which if you've read the whole post, you know I don't mind a bit)... But it's nice to list a few favorites of your own.

[Mr. Superhero]

NOTE: I don't wanna read any, "Danny Elfman's music wouldn't fit Nolan's "realistic" world vision. Thats a load of crap and you know it. Elfman has composed plenty of films taking place in the real world. Plus, he composed the Men in Black movies which take place in a modern (and pretty realistic) New York City. So, lets stop with that.

My post:

I don't know if Zimmer/Newton Howard have been signed yet. But, if they don't return should Nolan bring Danny Elfman on board? Now with The Joker as the villain I think Elfman's music would be brilliant. Cause regardless of how serious Nolan's Joker is, the character will always be a guy with a clown face laughing all the time and making jokes. So, there's always gonna be some tongue & cheek music following the character around. Even Shirley Walker understood this when working on the cartoons and animated films. Go back and watch the cartoons. The music for the villains were serious and even emotional at times. The Joker was the one who had that circus-type and silly theme. And, it fit the character perfectly. So, if Shirley Walker has already proven that its what fits the character then I don't know why Elfman can't step in and compose a new version of his Joker Waltz. While at the same time providing Batman with the heroic theme he deserves.
**** Elfman, Hans Zimmer and the gang...:up:

[Zilleraut #66]

Nope let those old movies go and do everything the right way. While I did like the Elfman score, I just really want to put those Burton movies in the past.

[7Hells]

-Nathan Johnson ([i]If you haven't heard of this guy, don't fret, he's still on the way up. He composed the wonderfully bleak and haunting score for the recent indie flick 'Brick' by Rian Johnson, and it turned out to be one of the most enchanting examples of film scores that I've witnessed in quite some time. He'd be a great, if unproven, addition to Nolan's crew on the Batman films.[i])
That was a very cool movie. Well done genre remake all around. Right down to the jive talk and footsteps beating the pavement. That movie was a great way to bring such a golden age genre back to life for the younger audiences.
Must have been Luhrman inspired :)

I can definately see a style of score similiar to that of "Brick" working well with Zimmerman and Howards work. Especially if added only to Jokers scenes. The contrast would be noticeable enough to set apart Jokers scenes and still have the same feel as the rest of the movie.

[7Hells]

Off topic:

Threshold do you really think Eragon will be horrid?
I mean, I know it is a rip off as a series but I think the younger audience will find it appealing enough in between Harry Potter movies ;)

[Cinemaman]

I just hope Eragon will flop, if it is so bad movie that Fox doesn't want to release even teaser-trailer :down

[ReptileOrion]

Bring back James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer. I'm sure they update the score to the tone of the movie. As long as they keep Molossus (Batman theme) I'm happy. :)

I love Elfman's score....I actually listened to a bit of it on the way to work this morning.....but it needs to be put to rest. I think it is best not to have any direct ties like that for the new trilogy.

[xwolverine2]

Should Nolan hire Danny Elfman this time?
NO:down

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Nah, Elfman's score wouldn't really fit Batman Begins 2/The Dark Knight.

[dharmadaughter]

I like the music just fine so no need to bring in new ones unless the BB composers want out.

[casketmouth]

NOTE: I don't wanna read any, "Danny Elfman's music wouldn't fit Nolan's "realistic" world vision. Thats a load of crap and you know it. Elfman has composed plenty of films taking place in the real world. Plus, he composed the Men in Black movies which take place in a modern (and pretty realistic) New York City. So, lets stop with that.

My post:

I don't know if Zimmer/Newton Howard have been signed yet. But, if they don't return should Nolan bring Danny Elfman on board? Now with The Joker as the villain I think Elfman's music would be brilliant. Cause regardless of how serious Nolan's Joker is, the character will always be a guy with a clown face laughing all the time and making jokes. So, there's always gonna be some tongue & cheek music following the character around. Even Shirley Walker understood this when working on the cartoons and animated films. Go back and watch the cartoons. The music for the villains were serious and even emotional at times. The Joker was the one who had that circus-type and silly theme. And, it fit the character perfectly. So, if Shirley Walker has already proven that its what fits the character then I don't know why Elfman can't step in and compose a new version of his Joker Waltz. While at the same time providing Batman with the heroic theme he deserves.


This time I just want Zimmer to fully consantrate on this Title alone and make a record breaking effort!!!!

[Batty Belfry]

Elfman's style is completely different from Zimmer/Newton. Z/N fit more with the psychological drama of Nolan's style IMO. I don't think it's so much a "score" as it's main intent is to reinforce the emotional aspects of the movie. I think it's more vibe than straight-forward music if you can understand my pov.

[Lando81]

BB's Score was Perfect!

[Thespiralgoeson]

I'm really not a fan of the Zimmer score. I mean it wasn't bad or anything, but I just think it was forgettable. It really doesn't stand well on its own the way Elfman's score did.

Personally, I wish to god they could get Philip Glass to do the score for TDK, but I know it'll never happen.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Wouldn't it be a mistake to bring this series closer with the last one, after they went through the trouble of distancing them?

I mean, this could open the floodgates to "let's bring back Chris O'Donnell".

Not saying it'll cause it,....but.....it'd be a start....

[BatZiLLa54]

Remember the Batman music that was in the Animated Series? Was in the opening credits when it had the "Adventures of Batman and Robin" opening. Tie that in somewhere.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno....just seems like something they'd rather leave up to THEY'RE composers, ya know. The BTAS music screams Elfman to me. It wasn't him, but it was easily inspired by him.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I prefer the score for BB more than any other Batman score to date, including Elfmans, so keep the BB score please Mr Nolan

[patrickbateman]

I like the new theme better

[Maxwell Smart]

Elfman's theme was too over-the-top...

And the main theme in BB was very memorable, and I don't know why people say the movie doesn't have one because it definitely does. Its the music that plays during the car chase, when Batman glides down to confront R'as..I'd say that is the main theme, and when I listen to it on the soundtrack it very much makes me think "Batman".

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Elfman's theme was too over-the-top...

And the main theme in BB was very memorable, and I don't know why people say the movie doesn't have one because it definitely does. Its the music that plays during the car chase, when Batman glides down to confront R'as..I'd say that is the main theme, and when I listen to it on the soundtrack it very much makes me think "Batman".

Exactly the same here, there is definately a theme in the movie, and i prefer it to Elfmans any day.

[Steelsheen]

I dunno....just seems like something they'd rather leave up to THEY'RE composers, ya know. The BTAS music screams Elfman to me. It wasn't him, but it was easily inspired by him.

yeah i think that was what Shirley Walker was trying to achieve.

[Steelsheen]

I'm really not a fan of the Zimmer score. I mean it wasn't bad or anything, but I just think it was forgettable. It really doesn't stand well on its own the way Elfman's score did.
exactly how i feel.

to me the Elfman Batman score has transcended the boundaries of being a "Burton movie theme" to being one of the defining aspects of the entire Batman franchise. its right along up there with the Batsymbol-- both plain and yellow oval versions, the cowl, the Batsignal, the utility belt. you dont see those and take them apart saying 'this or that is from this age or from this artist', you see them as parts of a whole. i understand if the creative artists doesnt want to use the music because they opt for another alternative, but to say that they shouldnt use Elfman's score because it will associate it with the Burton franchise is ludicrous. its like saying the yellow oval should never be used in this franchise in whichever shape and form because it will bring back memories of Adam West's Batman. sheesh.

[Two-Face]

If you use Elfman's theme in TDK people will think it's a prequel or sequel to Batman Burton movies. So no we got creative composers who are good as Elfman.

[The Only Woj]

same music! I LOVED the THEME in BB ... I don't know what's up with you people, I can clearly here the Batman theme in the BB score.

[raybia]

NOTE: I don't wanna read any, "Danny Elfman's music wouldn't fit Nolan's "realistic" world vision. Thats a load of crap and you know it. Elfman has composed plenty of films taking place in the real world. Plus, he composed the Men in Black movies which take place in a modern (and pretty realistic) New York City. So, lets stop with that.

My post:

I don't know if Zimmer/Newton Howard have been signed yet. But, if they don't return should Nolan bring Danny Elfman on board? Now with The Joker as the villain I think Elfman's music would be brilliant. Cause regardless of how serious Nolan's Joker is, the character will always be a guy with a clown face laughing all the time and making jokes. So, there's always gonna be some tongue & cheek music following the character around. Even Shirley Walker understood this when working on the cartoons and animated films. Go back and watch the cartoons. The music for the villains were serious and even emotional at times. The Joker was the one who had that circus-type and silly theme. And, it fit the character perfectly. So, if Shirley Walker has already proven that its what fits the character then I don't know why Elfman can't step in and compose a new version of his Joker Waltz. While at the same time providing Batman with the heroic theme he deserves.


No, I really liked the Elfman score but I think its time to move foward and make a sequel as though B' 89 never existed.

[mcflytrap]

NOTE: I don't wanna read any, "Danny Elfman's music wouldn't fit Nolan's "realistic" world vision. Thats a load of crap and you know it. Elfman has composed plenty of films taking place in the real world. Plus, he composed the Men in Black movies which take place in a modern (and pretty realistic) New York City. So, lets stop with that.

Are you really saying that MIB wasn't an over-the-top eye candy extravaganza of a film? That's what Elfman does.

[7Hells]

Well, the musical theme was already layed out for him in Chicago.

[mcflytrap]

Am I the only one who thought the music that plays in Begins when Bruce runs to the cave after Rachel leaves for Arkham Asylum easily surpasses Elfman's theme?

I think everything in BB surpasses Elfman.

[Super_Ludacris]

Nah no Elfman. Zimmer and Howard's score was dope, especially the main score in the credits. They should have put it on the album. I got an mp3 of it on my other computer. Pretty good stuff itself

[Mee]

Another Danny Elfman thread? Good grief, get over it people.

[7Hells]

No, Elfman made two new songs for the movie that had nothing to do with the Broadway version, but it still fit with the mood of the movie.
Thats what I mean. He already had music to go off of. He composed music that fit the style of the music already in the musical, same theme. Which is why his work on Chicago is so much different than his work on other films.

[Threshold]

Threshold do you really think Eragon will be horrid?
I mean, I know it is a rip off as a series but I think the younger audience will find it appealing enough in between Harry Potter movies ;)

Admittedly, I don't know too much about the books or the movie, but from what I've heard from fans (my brother and his friends) and other people... Eragon is going to be somewhere between Dungeons and Dragons and Dragonheart 2.

I'm all for big scores by Patrick Doyle, though. :)

[7Hells]

^ lol I know, I actually have soundtracks to movies Ive never seen :p

[Fenrir]

Nah no Elfman. Zimmer and Howard's score was dope, especially the main score in the credits. They should have put it on the album. I got an mp3 of it on my other computer. Pretty good stuff itself

I might be alone in this, but I honestly believe Zimmer and Howard did an incomplete job with the BB score. A lot of the music in the film is re-used and recycled. Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that both of them are amongst the most wanted composers in the biz, and as such, probably had scheduling conflicts that prevented them from putting out a more complete composition.

[batlovescatDC]

Hey, Majik... why do you have Kate Beckinsale as your avatar... please don't tell me you've decided that you think she should be Catwoman?

[Super_Ludacris]

I might be alone in this, but I honestly believe Zimmer and Howard did an incomplete job with the BB score. A lot of the music in the film is re-used and recycled. Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that both of them are amongst the most wanted composers in the biz, and as such, probably had scheduling conflicts that prevented them from putting out a more complete composition.


I thought it was fine

[Thespiralgoeson]

Of course it's just my humble opinion, but Elfman's score >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zimmer's.

[DV8]

Danny Elfman has had his fair share of the Bat-pie . . . leave him be

[Thespiralgoeson]

Danny Elfman has had his fair share of the Bat-pie . . . leave him be

Oh of course I agree. It's a new franchise, it needs new music. I'm not saying that they should re-hire Elfman. What I am saying is that I simply want the score to better than it was in Begins. It wasn't bad by any means, but I didn't think it was anything special either. To me, the Elfman theme is just amazing. It defines Batman, and Burton's movies wouldn't have worked at all without Elfman's music to support the imagery (and that goes for all of Burton's movies, not just to two Batman films) When I hear that Elfman theme, I don't think "Tim Burton's Batman." I think "Batman."

It's not that I want them to re-use Elfman's theme. I just didn't think Begins' score was on-par with it.

[FCEEVIPER]

Another Danny Elfman thread? Good grief, get over it people.
I agree.

Elfman was good in 89' but him and his music should stay there.





Gawd I love BB's soundtrack soo much' I have it on auto start on my Myspace page....


Turn up your speakers to max on your PC's and click here: The Dark Knight (http://www.myspace.com/fceeviper)

:batty:

[Fenrir]

I thought it was fine

No, no the score itself was great, but if you pay more attention, it's also quite repetitive and hence feels incomplete. A lot of the same music is used twice in different parts of the film. Sure, it still fit in well with the scene but gave off a vibe that it's not a full score.

[Poetic Chaos]

Just have him make a theme. The Spider-Man theme kicks ass.

[Steelsheen]

When I hear that Elfman theme, I don't think "Tim Burton's Batman." I think "Batman."

right on the money there :up:

[Two-Face]

Ain't gonna happen so get over it.

[Fenrir]

Ain't gonna happen so get over it.

"Ah, the direct approach." :dew:

[casketmouth]

Well, the musical theme was already layed out for him in Chicago.

Ok then how about mission impossible?? That is a more drama/ suspense flick

[Steelsheen]

Ain't gonna happen so get over it.

NO.

:p ;)

[Two-Face]

Ok then want a candy? :D

[Octoberist]

it's fun to to wish for Danny Elfman, but don't tell me that there's people who really want him back...Nothing against Elfman (talented man)

[Agentsands77]

Elfman's scores were great, but I don't think his music fits the tone of Nolan's Batman all that well.

That said, Howard/Zimmer need to be adjusted. I suggest bringing back only Howard to write the score, or finding somebody else (there are plenty of interesting possible candidates - Jon Debney or Dario Marianelli). The duo's score was fine, but only fine.

[Octoberist]

wait, isn't Walker's theme a tweaked version of Elfman's theme. THerefore you wouldn't have an animated theme without Elfman?

[Steelsheen]

wait, isn't Walker's theme a tweaked version of Elfman's theme. THerefore you wouldn't have an animated theme without Elfman?
for the BTAS? yes.

the current Batman animated series music wasnt composed by Walker.

[Steelsheen]

Ok then want a candy? :D
them Schreiber jackets would do just fine ;)

[7Hells]

Ok then how about mission impossible?? That is a more drama/ suspense flick
Not sure what youre trying to get at casket?
I never said I didnt like Elfmans work on Batman. I just meant his compositions in Chicago were different than his other work. If anything thats a compliment, he was able to take the style of someone elses work and successfully compose complimentary music out of his comfort zone.
Though, I agree, zimmer and howard should continue with Batman. Unless Nolan wants to go with a different musical feel for TDK which is possible considering he has said it will go in a different direction than BB(or something like that).

[Super_Ludacris]

Ain't gonna happen so get over it.


lol@ Two-Face sonning people in there place.

[7Hells]

No, no the score itself was great, but if you pay more attention, it's also quite repetitive and hence feels incomplete.
I think it might have felt repetitive compared to other scores because the music was played through out almost the entire movie.
I actually watched it one time just to figure out when the score stopped and couldnt tell. More than likely I was distracted by the movie itself ;) but it was one of those rare occasions in movies that the score was underlying in almost every scene.
Faint, but there. Incredible execution in my opinion.
I have, however, yet to listen to it on its own.

[Mr. Superhero]

lol@ Two-Face sonning people in there place.
If there was an "Ass-Kiss" emotion, I'd be using it right now.

[FOG3]

I love the Batman Begins score and think it fits the movie really well. Elfman on TDK would just be confusing.

[Mr. Superhero]

I love the Batman Begins score and think it fits the movie really well. Elfman on TDK would just be a ****ing **** move by Nolan.
Completely, and utterly agree.

[Bathead]

I think it might have felt repetitive compared to other scores because the music was played through out almost the entire movie.
I actually watched it one time just to figure out when the score stopped and couldnt tell. More than likely I was distracted by the movie itself ;) but it was one of those rare occasions in movies that the score was underlying in almost every scene.
Faint, but there. Incredible execution in my opinion.
I have, however, yet to listen to it on its own.
That's what I liked about it, the score was unobtrusive, setting the mood without being overly obvious, nice and subtle. It didn't bash you over the head saying "NOTICE ME!!",

[7Hells]

Well said Bathead :)