Source Stands behind Penn, Hoffman Scoop

[Eddie Dean]

Author: Jett (http://www.batman-on-film.com/bio_jett.html)
Monday, September 4, 2006 - 4:41 AM CENTRAL TIME

Happy Labor Day to those in the U.S. "Our Best Source" is back with a follow-up to his Penn and Hoffman info:

"Nolan has worded his responses very carefully, but I stand by my report: Sean Penn was indeed in the mix for The Joker, and declined. And a full offer was made to Phillip Seymour Hoffman for the role of Cobblepot/The Penguin.

As I reported to you earlier, Hoffman was very cautious about accepting the role following his Oscar win, and has since declined the part."

Believe it, or not. I know who this source is and what he does and he's been right before -- with info on and off the record...
http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

[lordofthenerds]

Who cares if he's telling the truth or not. Penn and Hoffman aren't going to be in this movie anyway.

[fabman]

OMG... BOF is getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper...

[I Am The Knight]

Well who cares, Joker is cast. And about Hoffman.....He might not want to be in another summer movie like this, even if it's directed by Nolan.

[The Only Woj]

did anyone really think Nolan was going to confirm the Hoffman or Phillippe information? of course he was going to say it's all rumors, regardless of whether or not it's true.

it's too bad Hoffman declined. but remember, Cooper declined Gordon and we got the amazing Gary Oldman. hopefully choice number 2 is just as strong ... Hoskins damnit!

[batman7289]

who gives a ****.
bob hoskins should be cast for coppelpot

[cookiva]

Hoskins All The Way!

[moonraker]

I really hope its Hoskins too, he's one of my favorite actors!

[Joker]

If Sean Penn had been cast as the Joker, I wouldn't have seen this movie.

[The-Dark-Knight]

I reported something similar to this days ago, only the word was from Bale himself at the after premiere party. its on the BATMAN news pageon the link in my signature.

[Postman]

So no Hoffman....guess I'm leaning towards Paul Giamatti especially after seeing the illusionist yesterday. He really is a terrific actor and I could see him making Penguin his own.

[The Only Woj]

So no Hoffman....guess I'm leaning towards Paul Giamatti especially after seeing the illusionist yesterday. He really is a terrific actor and I could see him making Penguin his own.

I forgot about Paul. You know, if I had to guess, I'd say he might be the #2 choice, obviously being younger than Hoskins. Then again, could be someone we haven't thought of.

[batmaluco]

I forgot about Paul. You know, if I had to guess, I'd say he might be the #2 choice, obviously being younger than Hoskins. Then again, could be someone we haven't thought of.
Probably, yes...

[Lex Luthor]

Hoskins for Cobblepot.

Never really cared for the idea of Penn as The Joker. :o

[Mr. Vice]

:o Penn would never do a comic-book movie, anyway.

[Lex Luthor]

Which isnt necessarily a bad thing.

[fabman]

hoskins... anyway, you still listen to the crap bof has to say... bof doesn't have anything to say anymore so they gotta invent headlines of what could have been, y'know...

[diagonbruce]

Both guys are history so why all the fuss and its not like Nolan changed his mind to want them taking part in this sequel.

[Seen]

Penn is a good actor (he was splendid in MYSTIC RIVER) but just not right for The Joker, besides being too much of a big name (however one can say that Ledger, thanks to BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN, is just as big of an actor or bigger).

As for Hoffman, that might be eschewed as a loss. In my opinion he's perfectly suited for The Penguin but I wouldn't mind seeing Bob Hoskins in the role either.

[Van Petrol]

The news of Hoffman apparently passing on the Penguin role is quite unfortunate, as other have stated he would of been very suited to the part.

However I don't really see the role possibly going to Hoskins, I have a feeling we may see another 'Gary Oldman' situation...

[Seen]

However I don't really see the role possibly going to Hoskins, I have a feeling we may see another 'Gary Oldman' situation...

Probably.

[Two-Face]

This source is crap Nolan said there was no truth regarding Hoffman/Penguin.

[Super_Ludacris]

I found it amazing that suddenly people wanna discredit the site cause they cant believe the rumour. If it was speculated it was speculated, if it was considered, it was considered no big deal....

Hoffman and Penn would have been good picks but it's all good

[ultimatefan]

It isn´t the first time a "big name" turns down the offer - Chris Cooper was offered Gordon at one point - and we ended up with the better choice. I´m betting the same will happen to TDK.

[The Chairman]

Well, I'm upset that Hoffman didn't get the part. I believe Hoskins was up for a part back around December (I think it was Maroni), and then said he wasn't going to do it.

As for Penn, he would've been great, but come on, he's not the kind of guy who'd do a comic book movie.

[Mysterio]

Who cares if he's telling the truth or not. Penn and Hoffman aren't going to be in this movie anyway.exactly.

[MJZ]

This is called "saving face."

[Cobb]

I'll take Ian McShane as the Penguin. He's almost to perfect IMO.

[batman7289]

hello

[Cobb]

helloHi!

[FaT_tONle]

Edit

[FaT_tONle]

Who cares if he's telling the truth or not. Penn and Hoffman aren't going to be in this movie anyway.

Ur sig kicks ass man... and if I am not mistaken, Hoskins said he wasn't interested anyway... I like Spall or the other dude that was a fan fav... whats his name...

[FaT_tONle]

Edit

[Maxwell Smart]

I'm disappointed to hear that Hoffman turned down the role. He was really perfect for it. Hes a thespian who can melt into his characters, he's fat and he's a few years older than Bale but not too old(I like the idea of a little bit younger Penguin than we usually see in the comics- who is in his mid to late 40s I think).

I love Bob Hoskins, he's a good actor and yes he has the right build for Penguin- and yet, its just too obvious. I'd REALLY prefer someone else, younger.

But I just cannot think of anyone who fits the bill for me. The other suggestions I've heard, David Suchet, Paul Giamatti and Timothy Spall- are pretty lukewarm.

[StorminNorman]

I'm disappointed to hear that Hoffman turned down the role. He was really perfect for it. Hes a thespian who can melt into his characters, he's fat and he's a few years older than Bale but not too old(I like the idea of a little bit younger Penguin than we usually see in the comics- who is in his mid to late 40s I think).

Though he is not exactly fat (he could be by the time TDK starts filming) that describes Joe Pantoliano to a T.

Joe Pantoliano would be my second choice, followed by Paul Giamatti.

[Dark Knight]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html



See, this is the type of info that just gets redundant and old. I mean.....who cares if Penn was in the mix for Joker.....it doesn't matter anymore. We also already had an idea that Hoffman was not going to be Penguin....so that info is of no use at all! I want to hear whats going on now...and next week....regarding casting for the other roles.....if there will be possible set locations for this film like the Iceland shoot in Begins.....if there will be a stealth Boat used in this film.....if he will use his ninja stars more and smoke bombs....how the costume may look like......will Sara Essen, Talia, or Leslie Thompkins be in the film? Will Scarecrow make an appearance? Who are the new Cobblepot/Penguin candidates and who MAY be the frontrunners for Dent?? These are the the topics I want info on.....not repetitive BS that has been gone over the last 5 updates. Get with it....JettMan....sheesh....

[StorminNorman]

People who ***** about BOF being redundant and old, are being redundant and old :(

[Super_Ludacris]

I dont see anything wrong with Jett posting about it. It's an interesting piece. smh@ people being so antsy for some official news when the movie doesnt start getting into full swing until Jan '07

[thedarks0ldier]

Damn it, I wanted Hoffman so badly. They should ask him again.

[thedarks0ldier]

People who ***** about BOF being redundant and old, are being redundant and old :(hehe... word

[Boom]

Jett's becoming more and more unprofessional at updating his site. Instead of ignoring negativity, he lets it get to him. This update was completely unnecessary and pointless. Who gives a flying crap now if Penn was in the running? He didn't get it. End of story.

Oh yeah. Jett just can't accept anyone questioning the credibility of his sources. My bad.

[thorstone]

Penn would have been a great Joker.

I think Robin Williams would play the best Penguin.

[$G-mOnEy$]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that WB has cut absolutely all ties with Batman on Film until filming starts. They're keeping everything on a real tight lid. Poor Jett has to keep feeding us interviews and opinion pieces just to keep everyone mildly interested. This time back in 03, if you remember, there was a lot of news about casting and filming locations. Why isn't there any now? Because they don't want us to know. And I'm beginning to realize that Jett's website may just be feeling the brunt of it.

At first I thought it was his fault that we were getting crappy news, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that WB is using him as a diversion/pawn in their little game. Then again, his sources might really be just ****e. Either way, no one has a frickin' clue what is going on with this movie, and that only happens when someone wants it to be that way.

[Seen]

Jett's becoming more and more unprofessional at updating his site. Instead of ignoring negativity, he lets it get to him. This update was completely unnecessary and pointless. Who gives a flying crap now if Penn was in the running? He didn't get it. End of story.

Oh yeah. Jett just can't accept anyone questioning the credibility of his sources. My bad.

Because he's a fanboy, and fanboys tend to overreact to any inkling of questionable doubt over their opinion/credibility. Not that I'm saying I'm any different, however...

[Maxwell Smart]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that WB has cut absolutely all ties with Batman on Film until filming starts. They're keeping everything on a real tight lid. Poor Jett has to keep feeding us interviews and opinion pieces just to keep everyone mildly interested. This time back in 03, if you remember, there was a lot of news about casting and filming locations. Why isn't there any now? Because they don't want us to know. And I'm beginning to realize that Jett's website may just be feeling the brunt of it.

I think you're right, this is what I've been suspecting as well.

They used Jett's site last time to listen in on the fanboy community, and feed them genuine info about the movie to get them pumped, since WB knew they had to prove themselves again after the crap that was B&R.

Now that BB was a success they could feel they don't really need BOF- they're just stringing Jett and all of the fanboy/internet community along, because they know this time they don't have to dazzle everyone with genuine news on the film to get them hyped up for it.

[Dark Knight]

People who ***** about BOF being redundant and old, are being redundant and old :(


Just calling it like I see it.....I like Jett..always have...but come on...dude....the last two updates were just to show his source has cred. It's a waste....I want real info....not stuff that has already been reported.

[Dark Knight]

People who ***** about BOF being redundant and old, are being redundant and old :(


and how am i being redundant and old..when this is the first time I have talked about Jett and his repetitive updates about past news? :confused:

[Dark Knight]

Jett's becoming more and more unprofessional at updating his site. Instead of ignoring negativity, he lets it get to him. This update was completely unnecessary and pointless. Who gives a flying crap now if Penn was in the running? He didn't get it. End of story.

Oh yeah. Jett just can't accept anyone questioning the credibility of his sources. My bad.


Word to THAT......:up:

[Dark Knight]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that WB has cut absolutely all ties with Batman on Film until filming starts. They're keeping everything on a real tight lid. Poor Jett has to keep feeding us interviews and opinion pieces just to keep everyone mildly interested. This time back in 03, if you remember, there was a lot of news about casting and filming locations. Why isn't there any now? Because they don't want us to know. And I'm beginning to realize that Jett's website may just be feeling the brunt of it.

At first I thought it was his fault that we were getting crappy news, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that WB is using him as a diversion/pawn in their little game. Then again, his sources might really be just ****e. Either way, no one has a frickin' clue what is going on with this movie, and that only happens when someone wants it to be that way.



Exactly.....

[$G-mOnEy$]

And I know I've said a lot about Jett out of anger here lately. I really love the guy for all that he's doing, and I still have nothing but respect for him. I just think he's being toyed with right now like the rest of us. I just don't want to see BOF lose credibility because of all the misses they've had here lately, because they're still our best source for Batman news on the web. I don't want to see that change.

[Jack Napier]

I was never sold on Hoffman as the Penguin. He's an alright actor, but I'll always remember him as the guy from "Boogie Nights". Towards the beginning of summer, he was getting all this praise for playing the villain in "M:I-3". So I saw it, and I just thought, "That's it?" The way they were building up his performance, you'd think he outdid Gert Frobe in Goldfinger or something.

Now Hoskins...he can be a charming, virtuous character in movies, but when he plays villains...menacing. Just the way he grits his teeth and barks, has the audience on the edge of their seats. The guy has a Cagney quality that'd be great to see in a Batman movie.

[7Hells]

I think Hoffman was getting praised for MI3 because it was his first role as a villian.
He is the only reason I plan on renting and watching it.

[Retroman]

I don't want to go on the BOF bash band wagon because i like the site, have it bookmarked and check it as often as i can.However i feel now that some of the info, news, rumors, scoops or whatever posted with regards to TDK has been proven to be either false or inaccurate they should perhaps consider being more carefull with what they post in future.Rumors are fun but all too often it causes a stir for no reason at all.

I hope they get Bob Hoskins as penguin if Hoffman can't be convinced.

[Excel]

why all the hate on bof? do you guys know jett personally, or his motivation to say what he says?

no, so stfu.

[$G-mOnEy$]

Did I ever say that I hated anything?

"no, so stfu."

[BatScot]

why all the hate on bof? do you guys know jett personally, or his motivation to say what he says?One does not need to know someone personally in order to form an opinion of them or their motivations.

[7Hells]

........said President Bush.



edit: just kidding btw, before I get shot.

[BatScot]

........said President Bush.LOL... take for example the fact that I do not know Stephen Hawking personally; does that mean I cannot form an opinion of him based on his writings? Of course not: It is a fundamental part of human culture that we form opinions based on secondary experiences, and those opinions—assuming they are based on accurate sources and material—are no less valid than had they come from personal experience.

just kidding btw, before I get shot.I'll shoot you myself for liking me to W!

;)

[MJZ]

Penguin's not even in the film.

[Octoberist]

I don't want to go on the BOF bash band wagon because i like the site, have it bookmarked and check it as often as i can.However i feel now that some of the info, news, rumors, scoops or whatever posted with regards to TDK has been proven to be either false or inaccurate they should perhaps consider being more carefull with what they post in future.Rumors are fun but all too often it causes a stir for no reason at all.

I hope they get Bob Hoskins as penguin if Hoffman can't be convinced.

That's why sometimes I dislie people online. They don't think like normal people and they become like sheep.

I'm with you Retro. I like Jett alot. However, he needs to calm down a bit, or he'll become a joke. But I stil go there almost everyday to check out his site.

[agentdawes]

Im not sold on Penn or Hoffman either and I could care less if they're Oscar winners or not as long as they fit characters.

Many Oscar winners also have bad performances pre and post Oscar.

[Dark Knight]

why all the hate on bof? do you guys know jett personally, or his motivation to say what he says?

no, so stfu.


I never said anything about hating Jett or his site.....

[Dark Knight]

i was never sold on Hoffman as Penguin either. So, I'm happy about Hoffman being out supposedly. Hoskins all the way...

[StorminNorman]

That's why sometimes I dislie people online. They don't think like normal people and they become like sheep.

I'm with you Retro. I like Jett alot. However, he needs to calm down a bit, or he'll become a joke. But I stil go there almost everyday to check out his site.

If BOF didn't report everything the could on the next Batman (rumor or not), I believe they have lost their purpose.

[gillberg2k1]

Penguin's not even in the film.

That won't stop them.

[heypapajinx]

personally i think this guy would make a fantastic Penguin/Cobblepot
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/heypapajinx/denniz.jpg

[Fenrir]

Penguin's not even in the film.

How do you know that? :confused:

[Alonsovich]

How do you know that? :confused:

The same way he and Gill and Para knew how the batsuit was 3 months we even saw it. I still remember when they posted that drawing and everybody said they were bulls**ting...

[jeemer]

All these people who are suggesting Hoskins, I see what you're getting at, I really love the guy.. but didn't Hoskins already say he would never consider it and that he actually thought it was a bit insulting that he had come to people's minds for the part?

[fabman]

HOSKINS is the best for the part... never been sold to P.S. Hoffman...