The Official General Zod Thread

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Yeah saw that on the X-Boards Green, but thanks anyway.

[GreenKToo]

no prob.

[Union Jack]

i do hope the bad guy in this is darkseid.

[GreenKToo]

So do I,but I think it's prolly gonna be Brainiac....but hey,either one will be awesome.i do hope the bad guy in this is darkseid.

[Morgoth]

Hopefully Brainiac.

[Spider-Fan]

I hope and think it is Brainiac if it ain't gonna Zod. What I hope is that Singer steps up his game. He dropped the ball last movie, and I hope he doesn't repeat that mistake.

[04nbod]

i would love it to be darkseid controlling kara like in the comics- that way the big theme of family in the movie will be reinforced- theres emotion on supes part and there will be two kick ass fight sequences- and maybe a team up- the speculation is probably more exciting than the outcome will be

[tecnowraith]

Darkseid: The budget for will be a bit much IMO but who knows.
Bizarro: An odd choice for the films but could be cool if done right.
Metallo: A second rate villain that may not be right for the films.
Mr. Mxyzptlk: A silly villain but he may not be right for a movie.
Brainiac: was also considered as a villain in the scrapped Superman Reborn and Superman Lives film projects. But I think he/it would be a good choice for the movie.
Parasite: Another second rate villain but done right, he could be a nasty role to play.

[Lestat74]

Darkseid: WAAAAAAY too complicated and expensive for a movie. With Darkseid comes Apokolips, Para Demons, the works. I really think fanboys are dreaming if they think it's gonna be him.

Metallo: Maybe as a lackey/ creation of Luthor's ( similar to the Animated Series )

Bizarro: Same as Metallo, as a creation of Luthor's maybe.

Mxyzptlk: Forget it. Silly.

Toyman: Forget it. just as silly.

Brainiac: BINGO! I'll bet anything it's gonna be him. He's Superman's #2 Villain, and has connections to Krypton if you go the Animated Series route. Plus, as a machine you can make him look all kinds of cool and menacing.

[Corben_Rulz]

Can someone give an idea of how Brainiac would be created or exist possibly in a sequel?

Also, what are his powers?

[Bryan Singer]

I thought SR had a great cast, and Singer cast the X-Men movies superbly as well.


:woot: :up: :D

[tecnowraith]

Can someone give an idea of how Brainiac would be created or exist possibly in a sequel?

Also, what are his powers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainiac_%28comics%29

[tecnowraith]

Well if they do use Brainiac in the films and if Smallville is still on the the air then that will mean Brainiac will not be on Smallville cause the whole DC/WB thing characters being in two different mediums.

[GreenKToo]

Brainiac does seem the most likely candidate,which is great,but I would love Darkseid as well if they decide to go that route.

[superbaby]

with singer attached, i wouldn't be surprised if general zod returns.

[Bryan Singer]

I wouldn't be totally against Zod being in the movie but I would like to see some fresh villians in this one

[The Punisher]

Well, look who it is, Singer himself.

[WhatsHisFace]

I wouldn't be totally against Zod being in the movie but I would like to see some fresh villians in this one
OMG u ruin teh :supes: movie u r teh lamest directre on earth lmao!!!!!!! y did u put teh kiddie in 4? you ruin teh movie n i liked pirate movie better lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Punisher]

Lol.

[Bryan Singer]

OMG u ruin teh :supes: movie u r teh lamest directre on earth lmao!!!!!!! y did u put teh kiddie in 4? you ruin teh movie n i liked pirate movie better lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!

I take it you didn't like the movie then.....

[Super Kal]

if he does put Zod in the second sequel, You can count on it that I won't be there to see it in the theater, in the dollar theater, or renting it.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Zod is a classic villain and was portrayed great in the original Superman movie,to see Singer with a Zod is beyond measure.I will not see it in that case.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'd prefer someone else to be the villain, but wouldnt be adverse to Zod, i'd at least see what they are going to do with him first before i swear the movie off. But i would much prefer Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

DARKSEID DAMN IT! :cmad:

[BareKnucklez]

I take it you didn't like the movie then.....

Seriously lame movie dude... :o

[Superman1980]

I'd love to see Doomsday. They could tell the death and life of superman story over two films, with supermans death being the cliffhanger at the end of the first film. it's never going to happen in a million years but this is what i'd love to see happen

[Showtime]

I wonder if it will be Lex, Zod, and another villian. I actually like the idea of the Eradicator in the movie.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

ugh...if Zod is in this, i won't even bother seeing the movie. i'll just wait and rent it. damn you Singer!!!!! create something original based on the PRESENT!!! not on the Donner films.

[TheGraphicsGuy]

I think the polls say it all lol:woot:

[bunk]

Jim Lee's Zod was pretty cool looking at least.

http://laurent.cujus.free.fr/fonds_ecran_13/I_am_Zod.jpg

[BH/HHH]

It'sbe nice to have a different villain but if Zod was in it I'd probably still love it. I don't think he is though I think singer has a plan.

[Dark Knight]

Metallo would be kind of a step down from a giant kryptonite continent IMO. He needs to be a secondary villain for another story.

Yes....thats what I'm saying Braniac, and Lex as main villians and they create Metallo for Supes to battle. Before the full power of Braniac is shown.

[TheGraphicsGuy]

Jim Lee's Zod was pretty cool looking at least.

http://laurent.cujus.free.fr/fonds_ecran_13/I_am_Zod.jpg
you gotta think though.... how the hell would they make that look real, yeh i know about the technology we have (special effects, CGI, Visual Effects etc.) but lets think realistic... that will never look real enough to be in a film... unless they choose another version:yay:

[bigtizzle]

I've been thinking a lot about Zod and I'm wondering what people would think of the following premise:

Brainiac is the main villain of the film with Lex playing background villain/instigator as in Superman II. We know that Singer is doing his "loose sequel" thing so Zod could possibly be depowered and in prison at this point. Brainiac has come to Earth and is wreaking havoc, so much so that Superman is really having a tough time. So he pulls a Silence of the Lambs and goes for a little consult w/ Zod in jail. If we're assuming Brainiac is somehow Kryptonian in origin then Zod (having been the General in charge of defense for the entire planet) would probably know a good deal about him. Anyone else think this would be a cool way to throw Zod into the film without making him the main baddie?

[Dark Knight]

I've been thinking a lot about Zod and I'm wondering what people would think of the following premise:

Brainiac is the main villain of the film with Lex playing background villain/instigator as in Superman II. We know that Singer is doing his "loose sequel" thing so Zod could possibly be depowered and in prison at this point. Brainiac has come to Earth and is wreaking havoc, so much so that Superman is really having a tough time. So he pulls a Silence of the Lambs and goes for a little consult w/ Zod in jail. If we're assuming Brainiac is somehow Kryptonian in origin then Zod (having been the General in charge of defense for the entire planet) would probably know a good deal about him. Anyone else think this would be a cool way to throw Zod into the film without making him the main baddie?


I would accept that....just as long as he is not the main baddie.

[nocomics]

I never really read any of the superman comics so I eally don't know much of his enemies. Besides zod an lex luthar. However I remember reading this comic called LOBO,inwhich I believe LOBO actually killed superman. I think that would be a great villan,but ofcourse witha different ending. Just tha lobo was such a badass looking villan.

[Brainiac 2009]

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option...=687&Itemid=27 (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option...=687&Itemid=27)

"But wait! I have saved the juiciest news for last! You guys remember a few weeks ago when we posted that the sequel had the working title of The Man of Steel and that I thought that General Zod would be back? Well while the working title appears to have some validity, it is being called The Man of Steel, our assumptions about Zod were wrong. According to a studio/production source at the party, Zod will not be back. He will not be a part of the story at all. They have decided to go a different way and Bryan will make The Man of Steel his own story completely. Our insider promises more action than any D.C. Comics based movie thus far."


Damn, you guys claiming that Singer can't write original material and was going to use Zod may be getting owned here.

[That-Guy]

Yes, Yes, Yesssss!!!!!!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Good news, i know Singer will make an awesome sequel.

[The Caped Knight]

Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW GIVE US BRAINIAC DAMNIT .

[GreenKToo]

awesome news...I would love to see Brainiac and Doomsday togeather..

[Showtime]

I hope Doomsday never sees the light of day in a live action Superman movie.

[charl_huntress]

Though I'm glad to hear Zod won't be there...I got a little chill down my spine reading this:

"They have decided to go a different way and Bryan will make The Man of Steel his own story completely".

That's too scary for words after the debacle of SR.

[Showtime]

SR was far from a debacle and I thought the major complaint was copying Donner?

[charl_huntress]

SR was far from a debacle and I thought the major complaint was copying Donner?

Not my major complaint obviously, and SR was a debacle as far as my complaints go,

[Showtime]

Don't forget you lost the 200million bet to me, as well as Singer doing the sequel. I forget the 1st bet you lost to me, 0 for 3 though.

Well the your debacle gets a sequel.

[charl_huntress]

Don't forget you lost the 200million bet to me, as well as Singer doing the sequel. I forget the 1st bet you lost to me, 0 for 3 though.

Well the your debacle gets a sequel.

No, you lost the bet, Showtime. The bet was that SR would make 200 million in the same amount of time as BB. That didn't happen because Carp posted the figures the day SR didn't make 200 million. I won that bet.

I did lose on the fact that Singer showed up at SDCC....but we didn't bet on him coming back as a director. LOL...by that time I stopped caring enough to bet.

[That-Guy]

I don't feel SR was a debacle... I think the movie really only had 2 problems: 1. it copied the format of Donner's Superman WAY too much and 2. Superman wasn't given very much do to other than fly around and lift giant objects. If they had polished up these two elements I wouldn't have had any problem with it. It was beautifully filmed and some of the sequences were spectacular... I just think Singer needs to hire better writers who are capable of writing a new Superman movie that is ABOUT Superman, and not rehashing an old Superman movie which gives entirely too much screen time to less important characters.

[lordofthenerds]

Aweomse, I'm really hyped for this movie right now. :up: Hopefully the vaillain will be Brainiac...

[dark_b]

i dont buy it. until i dont see the movie wihtout zod i dont buy it :)

[batman44]

No Zod is good news, but that Tristan Lake Leabu interview countered my excitement. I really hope that kid isn't going to be flying around or using heat vision and stuff.

[thedarks0ldier]

I hope he doesnt make up his own villian.

[batman44]

I hope he doesnt make up his own villian.

That would suck.

[romeogbs19]

Fantastic news! I'm REALLY excited we're getting this sequel. I'm curious to see how Singer incorporates the kid -- to be honest, I would prefer the story focus on Supes and him getting back together with Lois (somehow) ... the thought of seeing Supes' son flying around doesn't excite me much.

Hopefully, this one is "lighter" than SR -- not campy, but PLEASE Singer, LIGHTER -- this ain't the X-men.

[Kaboom]

i can feign excitement. while i always welcome anything superman, i was less then pleased wth SR.

[charl_huntress]

No Zod is good news, but that Tristan Lake Leabu interview countered my excitement. I really hope that kid isn't going to be flying around or using heat vision and stuff.

What interview?

[Eros]

I hope he doesnt make up his own villian.

Besides Lex luthor and Brainiac, most of superman rogues gallery really suck.

[The Kid]

I love darkseid, doomsday, Metallo, and bizarro so stfu.

toyman and that weird imp guy really suck though. I liked when they turned the imp into a badass magician on smallville. That was an interesting change.

[thedarks0ldier]

I love darkseid, doomsday, Metallo, and bizarro so stfu.

toyman and that weird imp guy really suck though. I liked when they turned the imp into a badass magician on smallville. That was an interesting change.
LOL so superfluous

[Compi716]

Thank GOD! Let's just hope we get Braniac or something, not some weird original character.

[dark_b]

zod zod zod zod

[batman44]

What interview?

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_d4j_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=687&Itemid=28

Scroll down and click on Tristan Lake Leabu's name and the interview should come up.

[Spoarz™]

That's really great news, I'm glad to hear that Zod won't be coming back for the sequel. :up:

[Eros]

I love darkseid, doomsday, Metallo, and bizarro so stfu.

toyman and that weird imp guy really suck though. I liked when they turned the imp into a badass magician on smallville. That was an interesting change.

Darkseid is not a main superman villian, hes a universal threat. you should read up on that, and you would realize Drakseid and superman very rarely face off, and when they do superman tosses his ass into a sun.

[GreenKToo]

I think the way they worded the article on IESB not long ago has thrown people off, including me...they said ''a ultimate baddie from the D.C. universe will come to metropolis to pick a fight with superman"...they do make it sound like darkseid there.Darkseid is not a main superman villian, hes a universal threat. you should read up on that, and you would realize Drakseid and superman very rarely face off, and when they do superman tosses his ass into a sun.

[echostation]

Dude to PICK A FIGHT WITH SUPERMAN...

IT's LOBO

[GreenKToo]

I wouldnt be against him either...I think we can all agree,or most anyway,that we dont want Zod...Dude to PICK A FIGHT WITH SUPERMAN...

IT's LOBO

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Brainiac seems to be the most logical choice, but i wouldnt mind being surprised by someone else either. I think we are really going to get a kick-ass sequel here and i thought SR was great.

[GreenKToo]

I wouldnt be surprised if we get two supervillians,not surprised at all...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^No i wouldnt actually, one with brains and one with brawn.

[GreenKToo]

AVEITWITHJAMON:...Brainiac,I think for sure,as for the second one,thats hard to say.It could be anyone out of several,Bizarro,Doomsday,or metallo..endless possibilities for sure.

[The Kid]

Darkseid is not a main superman villian, hes a universal threat. you should read up on that, and you would realize Drakseid and superman very rarely face off, and when they do superman tosses his ass into a sun.

I don't care. I just love darkseid so whatever type of threat he is doesn't matter.

I don't want to see him in a Singer superman movie though. No
Superdaddy for me.

[Superman-Prime]

Well, this is a great news! Wonder who is the villain for the sequel.

[Dark Phantom]

I'm hoping Braniac becomes the next villian, but I'm worried on part with other future villians.

With the new Superman Returns game, almost half of the awesome rogues gallery has been taken up. I was always hoping that Metallo or Bizzaro would make an appearance in the next Superman film. But we all know that they never use a villian for the next installment after they already starred in the game (ala the spiderman franchise).

So despite the major possibility for Braniac,I was hoping for Metallo or Bizzaro to also appear

[Dark Knight]

I think the way they worded the article on IESB not long ago has thrown people off, including me...they said ''a ultimate baddie from the D.C. universe will come to metropolis to pick a fight with superman"...they do make it sound like darkseid there.


From that description....it sounds more like LOBO! :word:

[Dark Knight]

I don't care. I just love darkseid so whatever type of threat he is doesn't matter.

I don't want to see him in a Singer superman movie though. No
Superdaddy for me.



Darkseid will take too much time to develope IMO....They should use Metallo.....being created by Luthor...but with technology given to him by the B.R.A.N.I.AC.......then in the 3rd film....Braniac should be the one who creates Doomsday organically....IMO.

[Max Shrek]

I'm hoping Braniac becomes the next villian, but I'm worried on part with other future villians.

With the new Superman Returns game, almost half of the awesome rogues gallery has been taken up. I was always hoping that Metallo or Bizzaro would make an appearance in the next Superman film. But we all know that they never use a villian for the next installment after they already starred in the game (ala the spiderman franchise).

So despite the major possibility for Braniac,I was hoping for Metallo or Bizzaro to also appear

I highly doubt Singer's gonna say, "Damn, can't use him cause he was in the game!" Worst comes to worst, they'll call the game non-canonical.

[Dark Knight]

Well folks....between this great news...and the news that Moviehole stated last week about Zod not being in the sequel. Then I think we can all breath a HUGE sigh of relief when it comes to us finally getting the chance to see a different Supes villian onscreen! :up:

I'm sure Braniac will be involved....but what if Lobo appears as "the one wanting to pick a fight with Supes?" That would be freakin great!

[bigtizzle]

Am I the only one that thinks "Braniac" makes it seem like he'll keep Superman occupied in the crapper for most of the film?

[Comicfan]

, Zod will not be back. He will not be a part of the story at all.



Those are amaizing news:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

[charl_huntress]

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_d4j_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=687&Itemid=28

Scroll down and click on Tristan Lake Leabu's name and the interview should come up.

Thanks. I want to check that out...sounds very scary.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

AVEITWITHJAMON:...Brainiac,I think for sure,as for the second one,thats hard to say.It could be anyone out of several,Bizarro,Doomsday,or metallo..endless possibilities for sure.

Yeah i agree with that Green, i'm pretty certain that is what we will get.

[GreenKToo]

you know,it seems to me it would be in W.B.'s and Bryan's interest to go ahead and announce who they have in mind for the sequel's villian...get some hype really rolling if they would.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hmm no i'd say keep it hidden for a while, just look at how much hype Spiderman 3's villains garnered before they were known and the absolute flurry of excitment and activity once they were.

[KalElofKrypton]

Has anyone ever thought that maybe Singer is doing what Raimi did with Spider-Man 3. Raimi constantly said that he would never put Venom in a movie, and yet here he is. And he has admitted that he said what he said to throw off the fans. Maybe Singer is doing the same thing?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Has anyone ever thought that maybe Singer is doing what Raimi did with Spider-Man 3. Raimi constantly said that he would never put Venom in a movie, and yet here he is. And he has admitted that he said what he said to throw off the fans. Maybe Singer is doing the same thing?

Possibly, Singer has done something similar before with X2, i think he said in an interview he'd never kill off an X-Man or something and he released a picture of Jean standing in the White House with the X-men at the end indicating she doesnt die.

[JayKay]

I knew it.

[dark_b]

Has anyone ever thought that maybe Singer is doing what Raimi did with Spider-Man 3. Raimi constantly said that he would never put Venom in a movie, and yet here he is. And he has admitted that he said what he said to throw off the fans. Maybe Singer is doing the same thing?so you are sying that singer will have zod :woot:

[AssMan]

Hmm no i'd say keep it hidden for a while, just look at how much hype Spiderman 3's villains garnered before they were known and the absolute flurry of excitment and activity once they were.

That is not the best thing to do after SR. Look at what happened with SR with everyone involved with production assured that Jason is NOT Supermans son. They do not want another mess. The FIRST thing the WB should do is promise / assure the fans that there will be no Zod. But even if they do that theres always the chance that like SR has prooved they could be lying

[JayKay]

so you are sying that singer will have zod :woot:If you're so against Zod why are you jumping at any comment that hints at Zod? :huh:

[Brainiac 2009]

Singer wrote the prequel comics too...and seemed to retcon Zod in Superman II out of the vague history.

I dont think anyone really wants him.

[BareKnucklez]

Good news, i know Singer will make an awesome sequel.

That's like thinking Joel Schumacher will make a great BATMAN flick after BATMAN & Robin!
Sorry Bryan should have made a great Superman movie to start with.
To late now to try and fix it after he knows he broke it...

I doubt the sequel will be worth watching cause heck sequels normally suck, and a sequel to a sucky movie well thats just has no hope...

I still think the WB is making a mistake by bringing back singer, and his writers, and cast.

[Maze]

That's like thinking Joel Schumacher will make a great BATMAN flick after BATMAN & Robin!
Sorry Bryan should have made a great Superman movie to start with.
To late now to try and fix it after he knows he broke it...

I doubt the sequel will be worth watching cause heck sequels normally suck, and a sequel to a sucky movie well thats just has no hope...

I still think the WB is making a mistake by bringing back singer, and his writers, and cast.
Batman and robin quality level ? it's ridiculous .

To not like the movie is one thing , but there it's (imo ) non sense.Even Forever is not even near Superman Returns .but hey , if it's your opinion, it's your opinion..

After that imo there is (almost) nothing to fix.All is there in Superman Returns to expect a great sequel.

[lordofthenerds]

Batman and robin quality level ? it's ridiculous .

To not like the movie is one thing , but there it's (imo ) non sense.Even Forever is not even near Superman Returns .but hey , if it's your opinion, it's your opinion..

After that imo there is (almost) nothing to fix.All is there in Superman Returns to expect a great sequel.
I agree. Comparing Superman Returns to Batman & Robin is almost like comparing Halloween to Leprechaun In Space.

[Spider-Fan]

SR wasn't good, but B&R was on a whole other level of trash.

[patrickbateman]

what really scares me is the SR was like our version of batman forever. new vision, new cast new look but still connected to the orginal series.

wonder if the next movie going to be like batman and robin

[JayKay]

That's like thinking Joel Schumacher will make a great BATMAN flick after BATMAN & Robin!
Sorry Bryan should have made a great Superman movie to start with.
To late now to try and fix it after he knows he broke it...

I doubt the sequel will be worth watching cause heck sequels normally suck, and a sequel to a sucky movie well thats just has no hope...

I still think the WB is making a mistake by bringing back singer, and his writers, and cast.Okay, then I suppose we won't be seeing you hanging around the boards. What's the point in talking about a movie you have no interest in or have already made your mind up on? See Ya.

[Brainiac 2009]

what really scares me is the SR was like our version of batman forever. new vision, new cast new look but still connected to the orginal series.

wonder if the next movie going to be like batman and robin

Superman III with Gus Gorman was Batman Forever

[patrickbateman]

Superman 3 Had A New Cast?

[nocomics]

I never really read any superman comics,but watched the movies. Ive watched smallville and have some idea who brainiac is.. Can someone tell me about Doomsday,someone mentioned he actually killed superman in a comic.

[GreenKToo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_(comics)I never really read any superman comics,but watched the movies. Ive watched smallville and have some idea who brainiac is.. Can someone tell me about Doomsday,someone mentioned he actually killed superman in a comic.

[nocomics]

Thanks for the link greenktoo, forgot about that website..Doomsday sounds like a badass. This would be a interesting movie if they made it with him. I like the outcome of both Dooms/super dieing,and this would be an ideal movie to end the series depending on how many sequals they are planning..

[Steelsheen]

No Zod = :up:

The Man of Steel= i really like this title, and i wish that it will be the final title once hte film hits theaters, but IESB did say it was the working title. and more foten than not wroking titles get changed :(

[Sentinel X]

WTF!?! :confused: Whats with all the Zod hate?...hes a pretty cool Superman villain, and would garuntee a lot of cool action

[GreenKToo]

no one really hates zod(i think) all the comparisons of S.R. to Donner's version has folks worried that singer will use zod in the sequel,instead of going his own route and using a villian from the comics..WTF!?! :confused: Whats with all the Zod hate?...hes a pretty cool Superman villain, and would garuntee a lot of cool action

[Mike_D202]

hmmm...this sounds familiar.

http://www.polarblairsden.com/superherosuperman401.jpg

[Hugebear]

That's like thinking Joel Schumacher will make a great BATMAN flick after BATMAN & Robin!
Sorry Bryan should have made a great Superman movie to start with.
To late now to try and fix it after he knows he broke it...

I doubt the sequel will be worth watching cause heck sequels normally suck, and a sequel to a sucky movie well thats just has no hope...

I still think the WB is making a mistake by bringing back singer, and his writers, and cast.

It's more like thinking Christopher Nolan will make a great BATMAN flick after BATMAN BEGINS!
Sorry Nolan should have made a great Batman movie to start with. :oldrazz:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That's like thinking Joel Schumacher will make a great BATMAN flick after BATMAN & Robin!
Sorry Bryan should have made a great Superman movie to start with.
To late now to try and fix it after he knows he broke it...

I doubt the sequel will be worth watching cause heck sequels normally suck, and a sequel to a sucky movie well thats just has no hope...

I still think the WB is making a mistake by bringing back singer, and his writers, and cast.

Sorry but SR is far better than BF or B&R so there is no comparison there. SR was already a great movie for me, but i still think the sequel will be better.

[Cannibal Feast]

**edit**
I decided my reply is more appropriate as its own thread.

[Turtle-Man]

I've been hearing news that Singer's decided to change the plot of this sequel. Has the Zod's comeback idea been called off? If yes, then all right, great. If no, then... well, I had a few ideas for a new poster. It looks fake, but, oh well. It's just a concept.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3893/zodteaserpostervh5.th.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zodteaserpostervh5.jpg)

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5412/zodteaserposter2zg8.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zodteaserposter2zg8.jpg)

By the way, if you could give some helpful suggestions, great.

[Zen Ith]

There never WAS a Zod direction. That was all made up by paranoid fans. Singer never mentioned Zod, and in fact the writers said Zod would not be used.

[Turtle-Man]

Yeah, I know. I just needed a pathetic excuse to put my stupid, lame 'teaser posters' out there. Of course, advice would be appreciated. Oh, and this thread can stay open as long as Zod is being discussed. So please, discuss ZOD!

[Zen Ith]

Yeah, I know. I just needed a pathetic excuse to put my stupid, lame 'teaser posters' out there. Of course, advice would be appreciated. Oh, and this thread can stay open as long as Zod is being discussed. So please, discuss ZOD!It should really go in the manips thread, that is where everyone else is putting their posters.

[Turtle-Man]

It should really go in the manips thread, that is where everyone else is putting their posters.

But the point of my thread is to discuss Zod. The posters are just extras. You know, like those little donuts you get at board room meetings. The meeting isn't about the donuts, it's about the topic. The topic here is the possibility of Zod, and the posters are the donuts.

[Zen Ith]

But the point of my thread is to discuss Zod. The posters are just extras. You know, like those little donuts you get at board room meetings. The meeting isn't about the donuts, it's about the topic. The topic here is the possibility of Zod, and the posters are the donuts.
There is a Zod thread already if you can find it. And I don't think it should be resurrected. Zod threads just cause arguments because it causes people to give their view on Singer's 'unoriginality' for the billionth time.

[Turtle-Man]

There is a Zod thread already if you can find it. And I don't think it should be resurrected. Zod threads just cause arguments because it causes people to give their view on Singer's 'unoriginality' for the billionth time.

Then that's just blind. Singer is original enough. He is directing a sequel to Richard Donner's films, for Zod sakes, not an entirely new film. The majority of the public know Superman as the guy in the films, not the comic character. The Superman films were majestic, and Superman Returns essentially did what the title said. It returned the magic of Superman to the big screen. Bryan Singer even created his own characters and brought a new plot to the film. Isn't that original enough? This is Returns, not Begins or... The New Superman Movie. This is about the return of the character in the original films, not the introduction of a new take on the character. So, there you have it. My view.

Anyway, er... yes, Zod's return would be great. Or, in fact, make it Zod's... son! I mean, Zod is to Jor-El as Zod's son is to Kal-El. Then some sort of "Zod's hatred becomes the son's hatred and the son becomes Superman's nemesis" sort of thing. How Zod's powers return is not yet known. I'll think of something. :dry:

[ervann]

This thread

[Brainiac 2009]

No, Never was.

[Matt]

Singer said no. He also insisted the kid was not Superman's until the day the movie was released. Who knows?

[dark_b]

Singer said no. He also insisted the kid was not Superman's until the day the movie was released. Who knows?in a way i understand him that he lied about the kid.since it was suposed to be a suprise. but to say that zod will not be in hte movie and then use him after so many people said that SR was a copy ....than this would be just sad.

[Matt]

in a way i understand him that he lied about the kid.since it was suposed to be a suprise. but to say that zod will not be in hte movie and then use him after so many people said that SR was a copy ....than this would be just sad.

He could be trying to do a suprise again. I dunno, I can't predict the future...but I really don't think Singer has any originality in regards to this character. All he knows is the Donner version, he refuses to accept anything else. I mean, the guy made a Superman movie, without touching a comic book or any source material outside of Donner's films. I'm really skeptical about him not using Zod, as I'd bet good money it is all he knows.

[Brainiac 2009]

Both the writers said No to Zod too. Singer even ignored Zod in the prequel comics and pretended the Zod stuff from Superman II never happened.

Brandon said "everyone wants Brainiac"

Zod just seems really unlikely at this point. They seem to be going all out to avoid it.

[dark_b]

He could be trying to do a suprise again. I dunno, I can't predict the future...but I really don't think Singer has any originality in regards to this character. All he knows is the Donner version, he refuses to accept anything else. I mean, the guy made a Superman movie, without touching a comic book or any source material outside of Donner's films. I'm really skeptical about him not using Zod, as I'd bet good money it is all he knows.what about te car scene and the space scene. all inspired from the comics.

[Brainiac 2009]

They are inspired from the comics because Dan Harris and Mike Dourgethy helped put them in. They were given a ****load of money to buy loads of classic Superman comics and read them up, which they did.

They simply ripped less storylines from the comics and used more visual ideas from the comics.

[Matt]

what about te car scene and the space scene. all inspired from the comics.

Wow, a quick scene in space and holding a car like the cover of the comic. Singer must be a real buff.

"I don't think I've ever read a Superman comic in my life"

-----Bryan Singer

[I Am The Knight]

So what? I don't need a movie to be lifted from the comics for it to be good.

[FlawlessVictory]

At the San Diego Comic Con in July of 2006, Singer was asked what the next villain in the sequel would be. He responded with, "How do you guys feel about Zod?" Surprisingly, there was a good amount of applause from the audience. This was followed with someone mentioning Brainiac, either from the stage or the audience. I can't remember if Singer asked the audience what they thought of Brainiac.

[Matt]

So what? I don't need a movie to be lifted from the comics for it to be good.

So it is like making a Catcher in the Rye movie and not reading the book. If you can't see what is wrong with it, then you really are a blind fanboy.

[I Am The Knight]

So it is like making a Catcher in the Rye movie and not reading the book. If you can't see what is wrong with it, then you really are a blind fanboy.

Superman has been done and redone for about 70 years. Different interpretations of the character will always be a must to keep something interesting. Not that Singer reimagined Superman in any major way. In the movie, he's Superman to me. Being limited to one medium (comics) doesn't get you a better film. There is not a single interpretation of the character that directors have to use. I think you're being the blind fanboy here if you think going the absolutely faithful to the comics route is going to make a better movie.

[Matt]

Superman has been done and redone for about 70 years. Different interpretations of the character will always be a must to keep something interesting. Not that Singer reimagined Superman in any major way. In the movie, he's Superman to me. Being limited to one medium (comics) doesn't get you a better film. There is not a single interpretation of the character that directors have to use. I think you're being the blind fanboy here if you think going the absolutely faithful to the comics route is going to make a better movie.

Interpretations. Yes, different interpretations. You cannot successfully interpret a character if you are not familiar with his source material. And for the record, the comic Superman is not an interpretation...It is Superman. It is where the character comes from, it is the original source material. Everything else is an interpretation of it.

[dark_b]

At the San Diego Comic Con in July of 2006, Singer was asked what the next villain in the sequel would be. He responded with, "How do you guys feel about Zod?" Surprisingly, there was a good amount of applause from the audience. This was followed with someone mentioning Brainiac, either from the stage or the audience. I can't remember if Singer asked the audience what they thought of Brainiac.not even god can help us here. he asked them what they think and noone kicked hes ass at him. zod is 100% :woot:

[I Am The Knight]

Interpretations. Yes, different interpretations. You cannot successfully interpret a character if you are not familiar with his source material. And for the record, the comic Superman is not an interpretation...It is Superman. It is where the character comes from, it is the original source material. Everything else is an interpretation of it.

But there have been variations to the source material. Superman has evolved throughout the decades within the comics. There have been variations to his character. It's what makes a character interesting. It's development. It's change. To make a somewhat 2 dimensional character (as he was conceived) to a 3 dimensional character (as in SR.)

The Superman I saw in SR still felt like Superman to me, except more conflicted, he still a hero, but he makes more human mistakes. For me, it's makes Superman more relatable.

[I Am The Knight]

not even god can help us here. he asked them what they think and noone kicked hes ass at him. zod is 100% :woot:

Well, if they didn't like the idea of Zod, I'm sure they complained on message boards afterwards. :woot:

But supposedly, Zod has been erased from the sequel's planning whiteboard....And I'm happy about that.

[Turtle-Man]

Yeah, I know this thread is awful, but at least it's making you all speak. At least I'm doing something right.

[I Am The Knight]

It's a good thread, I guess, except that Zod will probably not be in the sequel, so that renders it kind of pointless. But carry on.....

[GreenKToo]

LoL, dont say that..so help me, if it's Zod. :cmad: :csad: :dry: :yay: :woot: .......not even god can help us here. he asked them what they think and noone kicked hes ass at him. zod is 100% :woot:

[Josh Bond]

i would like Zod to be in the next Superman movie, but I don't know how they'd do it.
i mean, if they made Zod survive the events of Superman II, how would he get hsi powers back?
And if they pretended that Superman II never existed, everyone would be thinking 'WTF? I though this was supposed to be a sequel to superman II.
So brian is kinda stuck in this situation.
I think it would be better to introduce brainiac, or even Jax-Ur.

[I Am The Knight]

Brainiac Dammitt.

[Turtle-Man]

Then let's make a "if Zod were to be in it, what would the main storyline be? How would his comeback be executed and a what sort of danger would he bring (directly/indirectly) to the world/Superman? Would it be some sort of family member? Maybe he sent a capsule of those evil Zod robots to Earth in the 18th century so that, if he were to be punished, then released, he would be able to continue his plan? It's up to you.

But, in truth, I was thinking Zod placed the capsule of Zod robots into an underground launch pad on the day before the planet was destroyed. Along with the robots, he also included crystals and his young son. Because he knew he was going to be imprisoned the next day, he had prepared to have the capsule attach to any nearby Kryptonian shuttles. When Kal-El was dispatched and sent to Earth, Zod's capsule attached itself and the journey to Earth had begun. Also, Zod had programmed the capsule to detach itself when a large number of life forms were detected (in case the shuttle's destination was to an uninhabited planet). When the shuttle reached the Earth's atmosphere, the capsule detached itself and headed toward the Arctic.

The capsule, by chance, moved into a storm and fell into a hurricane, which damaged the capsule severely. After being released from the hurricane, it was struck by lightning, and the several compartments disconnected. The baby and the crystals headed toward a small town (no, not Smalltown), and crash landed. An old man found the crater and took the boy in.

The other compartment of the capsule, the robot compartment, continued to head toward the Arctic, and crashed several feet beneath the surface of the ice. Due to the fact that Zod needed to activate the robots for them to serve him, they were inactive.

As the boy matured, his father's behaviour, which became a trait of his own, caused the boy to involve himself in crime, despite his "uncle"'s teachings, who named him Victor Curtis Rhett (I know, the name stinks). His uncle had known of his powers, and told him not to use them. However, the boy was constantly bullied and became very violent in terms of dealing with depression. He finally went out to his tormentor and, in a brawl, killed him by irresponsibly using his newfound powers (which hid the fact that he was the murderer). Victor, now afraid of what he had done, took his belongings and escaped to Metropolis, where he continued life.

Life was very difficult for him, and he began to commit crimes. He did not, however, want to reveal his face to the public (he abused his powers and did not want to be outcast when trying to return to the life he wanted), so he stayed quiet for years. Clark Kent, who worked just blocks away from him, was being heard, and so Victor did nothing until Zod appeared. During this time, Victor used the crystals on a small crystal reading device (which was used on Krypton (same kind of technology Jor-El installed in the Fortress of Solitude)), and realized Zod was his father. He could not go out to Zod while Superman was around, though (he believed he was nothing compared to Superman). When the Fortress of Solitude was used to strip other Kryptonians of their powers, Superman left to find the remains of his home planet. When Zod fell underneath the ice, he had found a number of his robots, but he was taken into custody. When Superman did not show up to this trial either, he was released, and he spent most of the five years attempting to regain his powers. He reprogrammed the Fortress and restored the powers of everyone outside of the Fortress (his two buddies had perished as humans do), but he began to grow ill. After rediscovering his powers, Victor headed toward the location of Zod (who he could clearly see using his vision and hearing). In frustration, Zod made his final attempt to do what he could before Superman returned, and rescued his robots.

Hours later, Victor met Zod, and the two began to understand each other's problems. Zod then convinced Victor that Superman was weak, and if he were to return, Victor would be able to defeat him. Victor understood, and entered the Fortress of Solitude, but he noticed a figure approaching, and vanished along with his father and the robots.

Zod understood that Victor needed to disguise himself, but found it foolish as "No son of mine should have to disguise himself". Victor then took Zod's suggestions and created a disguise, the Zod symbol prominently attached to his chest. This way, Victor could go after Superman when Superman appeared, and live his own life when he wanted to. When Superman reappeared, Lex Luthor took the crystals, destroying any chance of Zod regaining his powers. Zod also needed time to devise his strategy (to release Victor and, in the background, unleash his robots). Victor was hired by the Daily Planet, and, using his powers, took photos of Superman easily. He beat out his competition, Jimmy Olsen, easily. Zod used this time to plan his tactics. Months after the Kryptonite Island ordeal, Victor became well known, and began to befriend Clark, although his rough past still put him in discomfort. When Superman was supervising the Earth one day, Victor took a few photos of himself in his costume (which will probably be black with a dark red cape or something like that), and introduced himself to Superman (the name is not known yet, but I was thinking... something was Z. Maybe Zaynman :dry: Zayn = sword/weapon/manacle? or maybe just Zayn/Zed? "Look up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No... it's..." "I am Zayn/Zed/Zaynman"). The storyline would continue, plot development, character conflicts, yadayadayada, and then Zod's robots, bla, Zod dies in final act, Victor realizes Clark is Superman, the two battle, he is killed when Superman delivers a fatal blow (with Kryptonite), bla. Some other little suspenseful things, and, er... yeah.

I'm in a rush, I only had a few minutes to type that up. I know there are flaws, but that's my idea for a Zod comeback.

[solidsnake86]

I really think Zod could be a great villain if they settle on an origin in the comic books that is good. However, he would be better for the third film because I think they could use the villain in the second film to set him up in some way. By having a connection to Jor-el and Krypton, Zod can be a really interesting villain and be better than darkseid in so many ways while still being a challenge.

[Showtime]

If Zod wasn't in Returns than he won't appear in this run at least. I was actually hoping for a suprise Zod appearance at the FOS or something, creeping up from the depths. Oh well.

[redcaped]

I would have him chased, then managed to access Brainiac, quickly reprogrammed it and established a 3 digit key (Z-O-D) that got him in an abstract form. It was accidentally downloaded while attempting to save Kal-El. The electric activity caused by Lex set him free and the program Brainiac reactivates taking control of the fortress, now thirsty of conceiving humans.

[Rorschach2012]

Plz No Zod We Already ******************** Had Him

[redcaped]

Gravitational pool might be affected with Brainiac operating in that area.

[Papa Burgundy]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5331

and i know your all gonna laugh at the fact that they wanna try something new, since sr was like the donner superman movies. i just wanna see him fight someone, espicially after just seeing the matrix revoultions on hbo just now. that last fight were they were flying around was GREAT. now imagine something like that in a superman movie.

[VenomsMom]

Zod should be left in Superman 2 anyway. Its time for new villains on the big screen. Maybe Singer will use the comic as his guide instead of Donner.

[Super Kal]

he probably won't... he's not smart enough to do that. He still considers Donner's Vision and the Zeus of Superman lore...

[Retroman]

SR doesn't tread over whats done in Smallville so Zod is either dead or in the Phantom Zone.:woot:

http://z.about.com/d/tvdramas/1/0/J/H/small-zod1.jpg

[redcaped]

Superman Returns is a new book and Zod is one chapter.

[Retroman]

Zod should be left in Superman 2 anyway. Its time for new villains on the big screen. Maybe Singer will use the comic as his guide instead of Donner.he probably won't... he's not smart enough to do that. He still considers Donner's Vision and the Zeus of Superman lore...

Singer promised that he'll be using more from the comics in the sequel.

While some "Superman Returns" viewers objected to the addition of an illegitimate child of Lois Lane and Superman (which never appeared in any of the comic books), Singer intends to proceed with that story arc. "There's a lot of room to go with that character and his upbringing and human background and Krypton heritage," he says. "He's the genetic material of both parents. Superman doesn't have that. It's hard to write for Superman. He's a tough character to create insurmountable obstacles for. This one is unique and insurmountable." For the sequel, Singer will be able to expand and play around with what he's introduced, and "bring in more of the energy" of the contemporary comics, he promised.

Singer likely will do another movie before the sequel to "Superman Returns," according to sources, possibly Warner Independent's "The Mayor of Castro Street" or "Logan's Run" at the big studio. Finally, though, Warners president Alan Horn and production chief Jeff Robinov want this tentpole director to be making movies on their lot -- and not Fox's. And that may, in the long run, be the real payoff to their "Superman Returns" investment.
Source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/columns/risky_business_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=10030192 46

[Showtime]

Zod will not be in Superman Returns.

[dark_b]

"Routh says he has two films lined up to shoot later this year"

lexlives and haters.......ha ha ha and haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[bsquad]

if there is one thing Singer proved with the first 2 X-Men films is that he listens to the issues people had with it and tries to fix them. I think its safe to expect the same with Superman

[fabman]

Finally some news!

[Showtime]

Maybe more news to come from Showest.

[dark_b]

Zod will not be in Superman Returns.
singer:jason is not supermans kid,superman is not the father.

and also a good one
raimi: i dont like venom :cwink:

[fabman]

Man, this movie just made my day and by the way, to the haters:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

[bsquad]

singer:jason is not supermans kid,superman is not the father.

and also a good one
raimi: i dont like venom :cwink:
oh please--did you really expect him to reveal a big plot point of the film thus spoiling it. be realistic.

[dark_b]

oh please--did you really expect him to reveal a big plot point of the film thus spoiling it. be realistic.read all comments on that question and you will see why singer should never comment about the movie before the premiere. :cwink:

[VenomsMom]

singer:jason is not supermans kid,superman is not the father.

and also a good one
raimi: i dont like venom :cwink:
Raimi didnt like venom. He felt the character was empty and had no real depth.

[Super Kal]

Singer promised that he'll be using more from the comics in the sequel.


Source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/columns/risky_business_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=10030192 46
this coming from the man who said the kid is not Superman's...




I wouldn't trust Singer with a 10 ft. pole...

[Showtime]

this coming from the man who said the kid is not Superman's...I wouldn't trust Singer with a 10 ft. pole...

Kak are serious? Why would a director give up a plot point such as that to the general public before seeing the movie? I would want any director to do that in order not to spoil the movie.

[Immortalfire]

Something new, eh? Too bad they didn't go that route with Returns.

[Showtime]

Something new, eh? Too bad they didn't go that route with Returns.

Oooo. That was spicy.

[VenomsMom]

I geuss this leaves the guy who likes to shrink things, Brainiac.

[Immortalfire]

Oooo. That was spicy.

What can I say, I'm seasoned with the spices of life.

[Super Kal]

or the Kryptonian program who devours information and then destroys entire worlds...

[AssMan]

Kak are serious? Why would a director give up a plot point such as that to the general public before seeing the movie? I would want any director to do that in order not to spoil the movie.

He could have said "no comment" instead of flat out lie. I still hold a grudge for Singer with that

[GoldGoblin]

Why can't they have two villains,one being Zod and the other one being someone completly new.

[GreenKToo]

Some news at last, and me likey.

[Anjow1060]

Maybe we'll get this?

http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/luthor/luthor-war-suit.gif

[GreenKToo]

I'm hoping for this

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8395/brainiacstaslw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

played by..

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9288/delhtz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Maze]

And it's likely going to be Brainac.

remember that if Singer had gotten the money he would have use the much fans requested Sentinels and danger room.

instead he gave us more action and the also much asked Berseker rage of wolverine among others.(Jackman talk how he and Singer were aware of fans frustration)

Even more reading Routh interview ,imo Singer seem truly done with the Donner universe now that he made a bridge with it ..so maybe you'll have Singer version of some of the comics elements , but you'll have some without doubts..

Ps: Routh seem to try to contain what he knows imo.. not that he seems to know a lot , but i think that he knows where they are heading..and he seems genuinely exited :)

ps2 good that he has some others projects too . Looking forward to it :)

[GreenKToo]

^ I agree, surely they have been discussing for months what villain would be best. I'm sure he knows.

[BrollySupersj]

No Zod is good to me. Something new will grab the attention of viewers lots more.

[Showtime]

Singer most likely knew what villian he was going to use from the beginning, don't forget he pitched Returns and it's sequels to WB from in their first meeting. He must have had an idea for where he was heading even then.

[Maze]

Exactly.

http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/23557

Harry Knowles - I saw that Warner Brothers has announced that they were heading into development on a SUPERMAN RETURNS sequel, and mentioned that you were attached. Have you really fallen that in love with the Superman world?

Bryan Singer - I love it very much, I can't say that I'm officially attached yet, we've just begun those discussions, but there is certainly an interest in moving forward and the relationship to the experience, though very difficult, of making the film, logistically, at Warners was a really really really good one at Warner Brothers. So the side point is, if they decide they want me, after they've seen the film, to do a sequel. We all got along so wonderfully, that the logic says that it makes sense to move forward together on a sequel. Plus there are things that have been layered into the film that would lend themselves to a sequel, much as I did on the X-MEN series. Not saying it won't be satisfying in the end, it's not a two parter. But the business part about inking a deal or figuring out a schedule, we haven't done that specifically yet, nor is there a script.

[Crazymaverick]

"Routh says he has two films lined up to shoot later this year"

lexlives and haters.......ha ha ha and haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

LMAO!

suck on that haters!

(P.S. Check out my new signature link)

[AssMan]

Good old interview Maze. Eat your heart out lexlives :o

[darkseid26]

Zod will not be in Superman Returns.

kneel before.. what no zod, i better put away my v-neck and parachute pants. lol.:trans:

[Showtime]

Zod was good in his time, especially in Houston.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Zod was good in his time, especially in Houston.

*ahem* I think you mean "Hooston." ;)

[Showtime]

*ahem* I think you mean "Hooston." ;)

Hooston, Houston...God, Zod. I get them mixed up.

[redcaped]

Just modernize him, don't show fear.

[Maze]

August 13th 2006

Thanks to kal El :yay:


Q: Can you talk about the next Superman film? Do you have a title or anything?
A: No, I have nothing. I only have ideas.

Q: Can you share any of those?

A: I can't.

Q: Just a little hint?

A: Just that I know that there were certain things that were established in Superman Returns, like certain aspects of the characters, the relationships of the characters, certain reveals, and a great sense of unresolve in the romantic dilemma that Superman faces. And, now that the character is established, I'd like to take an opportunity to bring in, perhaps, a more threatening, foreboding, terrible element to the story.

Q: Someone from Krypton perhaps?

A: Perhaps.

Q: Is it hard to walk the line between pleasing the fans of the old Superman and pleasing the new fans?

A: I would probably take the characters, as they are established now, in Superman Returns and move from there. Having things that are referential and nostalgic are very special and very important to those of us who grew up with the Richard Donner film, as well as George Reeves' interpretation of it, and the comic book. There will always be a place in my heart for that. But, this will be the starting place. Like with the first X-Men, I had to find a place to begin to educate people who weren't familiar with that universe. Here, there's a whole generation not familiar with Superman, and there was a lot of value in having him return to a version of the Donner universe, but yet still continue it forward. It's always a delicate balance, particularly with a character this steeped in history and this ubiquitous. He means something to so many people, all over the world.

Source: MediaBlvd.com

[Showtime]

The pieces are coming together, like a puzzle.

[dude love]

I'm hoping for this

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8395/brainiacstaslw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

played by..

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9288/delhtz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

When I only saw the top of Weaving's head, I thought you meant Connan O'Brien.

[Bruce Willis]Zod's dead baby, Zod's dead.[/Bruce Willis] or in the Phantom Zone, anyway.

[Spiderine]

I liked Zod.

[dark_b]

maybe singer is really not so obsses with donner. we will see.
one of the reasons why zod is not an option is because of smallville.

[Super Kal]

we don't know that for sure.. as far as we know, Singer could be up to his neck in Donner obsession and copy The Donner Cut from beginning to end.

[I_Hate_U_All]

This time with Jason in tow.

[Maze]

Having things that are referential and nostalgic are very special and very important to those of us who grew up with the Richard Donner film, as well as George Reeves' interpretation of it, and the comic book.There will always be a place in my heart for that. But, this will be the starting place. Like with the first X-Men, I had to find a place to begin to educate people who weren't familiar with that universe.

What he says make perfect sense imo , and i don't see why he would not do it.

"lying" on an important plot point is one thing.

i don't see why he would lie there.(and Routh comments confirm it )

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm hoping for this

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8395/brainiacstaslw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

played by..

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9288/delhtz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That i would love. If this happens i would be the happiest man alive.

[dark_b]

That i would love. If this happens i would be the happiest man alive.then maybe you will like my new fan trailer that will come out soon :cwink:

[Hunter Rider]

Good news.now hopefully Singer won't invent his own villain and will sideline Jason and we are good to go:up:

[Showtime]

Good news.now hopefully Singer won't invent his own villain and will sideline Jason and we are good to go:up:

Ty Zor...:dry:

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

I just don't know why we can't get Brainiac or Darksied. In every other franchise you get key villians. The only one that keeps popping up for Supes is Lex. The Spiderman franchise is very successful because he always fights super villians. LET SUPES FIGHT SUPER VILLIANS!!!!!!! Good ones I mean not like Solarman in Superman 4.

[GreenKToo]

Hindsight is 20/20. I bet if singer had it to do over, we would have a supervillain with a huge fight in S.R..If he does the sequel, i'm sure it will be fixed, and most of us will get what we want.

[scifiwolf]

Honestly, I don't know very much about the Superman villains - I'm more of a Bats/Spidey kinda guy. However, I agree that they need someone other than Lex and Zod. I'd like to see Braniac. I think he'd be most appropriate, especially with Martha's comment that there are probably other Kryptonians out there in Returns.

[echostation]

the problem is he's too ****ing late... given over 200 million dollars and then sinking it into a giant superhero soap opera with not one punch thrown is pathetic.

Imagine, a tagged 250 million dollar superman film and not one punch is thrown at all... incredible... would've been that hard to include a villain he could fight against? NEARLY EVERY OTHER FILM IN THIS GENRE SO FAR has had a villain the hero could physically fight or at least GOONS to fight. Every superhero film is as worthy as its bad guy(s). Returns had a piss poor plot for villainy, NO DECENT villains for Earth's most powerful hero to physically fight, nothing... not even a robot or machine to take down.

how does 200 mill plus budget only allow you to save 1 plane, a globe, 2 steel I-beams, blow out small flames in one sewer section on ONE STREET alone, and lift a CGI piece of **** colored rock, fly with not so great CGI doubles that could've had a real actor in place of them and lift one car and gently place it down in a stupid comedy attempt by Parker Posey?

now his budget being stripped to like 160 mill... and now you really think he's going to give you a massive all out Metropolis getting destroyed type battle with a Super villain? all for dozens and dozens of millions less with HIGHER salaries on the next round? If anything it's going to look worse than the Matrix fight scenes in Revolutions. it's going to look **** especially under Singer's wasteful hands.

Singer had 120 million to do X-men 2 and now compare that to Fellowship of the Ring's or Starship troopers (95 mill in 1997 so about 120 mill now perhaps)? Joy, one small scale mansion fight with Wolverine sticking in his claws dry. pathetic one on one battles between people (at least X-3 had a group fight with multiple groups), and an X-men dog chase scene with two fighter jets and the X-jet being taken out so incredibly easy... the whirlwind tornadoes looked like crap... it was like X-lite in terms of action. Starship troopers, mass global planetary war against massive well designed CGI creatures that still holds to this day. FOTR, some really cool battle scenes, epic in scope, you could tell the money was very well spent.

Singer is not fiscially responsible... he's fiscally crap

[Showtime]

the problem is he's too ****ing late... given over 200 million dollars and then sinking it into a giant superhero soap opera with not one punch thrown is pathetic.

Imagine, a tagged 250 million dollar superman film and not one punch is thrown at all... incredible... would've been that hard to include a villain he could fight against? NEARLY EVERY OTHER FILM IN THIS GENRE SO FAR has had a villain the hero could physically fight or at least GOONS to fight. Every superhero film is as worthy as its bad guy(s). Returns had a piss poor plot for villainy, NO DECENT villains for Earth's most powerful hero to physically fight, nothing... not even a robot or machine to take down.

how does 200 mill plus budget only allow you to save 1 plane, a globe, 2 steel I-beams, blow out small flames in one sewer section on ONE STREET alone, and lift a CGI piece of **** colored rock, fly with not so great CGI doubles that could've had a real actor in place of them and lift one car and gently place it down in a stupid comedy attempt by Parker Posey?

now his budget being stripped to like 160 mill... and now you really think he's going to give you a massive all out Metropolis getting destroyed type battle with a Super villain? all for dozens and dozens of millions less with HIGHER salaries on the next round? If anything it's going to look worse than the Matrix fight scenes in Revolutions. it's going to look **** especially under Singer's wasteful hands.

Singer had 120 million to do X-men 2 and now compare that to Fellowship of the Ring's or Starship troopers (95 mill in 1997 so about 120 mill now perhaps)? Joy, one small scale mansion fight with Wolverine sticking in his claws dry. pathetic one on one battles between people (at least X-3 had a group fight with multiple groups), and an X-men dog chase scene with two fighter jets and the X-jet being taken out so incredibly easy... the whirlwind tornadoes looked like crap... it was like X-lite in terms of action. Starship troopers, mass global planetary war against massive well designed CGI creatures that still holds to this day. FOTR, some really cool battle scenes, epic in scope, you could tell the money was very well spent.

Singer is not fiscially responsible... he's fiscally crap

Get mad.

[El Payaso]

Where are the punches man? I'm feeling less of a man without them! :cmad:

[GreenKToo]

IMHO, singer made a mistake cutting the R.T.K. scene. That was 10 mill dollars wasted. Now I know i'm no expert, but I dont have to be to see that. It would have helped the flow of the film better to have included it, and I think I would have cut the mansion scene at the beginning with Lex instead, and just alluded to how he got his wealth. but hey, what do I know, i'm just a fanboy.

[dark_b]

Get mad.he has a point. i think the fan in me is still hoping. its just not realistic to have a smaller budget and a bigger movie.
but i have hope :csad:

[Maze]

Wrath of Khan Dark.:cwink:

and if it doesn't convince you , understand that Sr had a lot of intricate details , the sets were really "rich" , some shots looked like painting ..that does cost a lot too.

the movie should be a little less "rich" in its details.. more wall to wall energy.

[Maze]

IMHO, singer made a mistake cutting the R.T.K. scene. That was 10 mill dollars wasted. Now I know i'm no expert, but I dont have to be to see that. It would have helped the flow of the film better to have included it, and I think I would have cut the mansion scene at the beginning with Lex instead, and just alluded to how he got his wealth. but hey, what do I know, i'm just a fanboy.

personnaly i imagine ( and i can be wrong of course :o ) how it would have hurt the rythm.

some were bored , so i can just imagine what they would have felt lol

[GreenKToo]

You have a point, but dont they still have most of the sets from S.R.?, like the F.O.S., Daily Planet, and N.K.? If they do still have them, that will save lots of money, 10's of millions prolly.he has a point. i think the fan in me is still hoping. its just not realistic to have a smaller budget and a bigger movie.
but i have hope :csad:

[dark_b]

You have a point, but dont they still have most of the sets from S.R.?, like the F.O.S., Daily Planet, and N.K.? If they do still have them, that will save lots of money, 10's of millions prolly.they can use DP for the sequel and this very small set from the FOS.
they dont need NK.

how much money will they save here? :cwink:

[dark_b]

Wrath of Khan Dark.:cwink:

and if it doesn't convince you , understand that Sr had a lot of intricate details , the sets were really "rich" , some shots looked like painting ..that does cost a lot too.

the movie should be a little less "rich" in its details.. more wall to wall energy.you talking about the ultra details on the set that were made only for singer? :cwink:

[GreenKToo]

I'm not sure, its according to how much it cost to build them for S.R. I would imagine millions judging by the details that went into them.they can use DP for the sequel and this very small set from the FOS.
they dont need NK.

how much money will they save here? :cwink:

[Maze]

Ok let's admit that .

It it was not possible , do you really think that Singer would have agree to do this movie on this terms?

don't you think he got enough of that kind of heat with the X films?

If it was so problematic , if there was not a way , Singer would be far right now.

[Maze]

you talking about the ultra details on the set that were made only for singer? :cwink:
yes Singer wanted that .That was an artistic choice a little like Star trek the motion picture had lavish sets with a lot of intricate details.

the second film although nice looking was a little more "rough" and cheaper.

so because Singer made that choice now that he wants to do a different movie , it doesnt' mean that he will make the same artistics choice.

The point is that you can save money for a second film , especially one where things move faster.

[GreenKToo]

Dark b: I think N.K. will be the central part of the story in the sequel. It will (IMHO) either create the villain, or draw the villain to it out of curiosity.

[Maze]

Dark b: I think N.K. will be the central part of the story in the sequel. It will (IMHO) either create the villain, or draw the villain to it out of curiosity.

That's what i think too.

[VenomsMom]

the problem is he's too ****ing late... given over 200 million dollars and then sinking it into a giant superhero soap opera with not one punch thrown is pathetic.

Imagine, a tagged 250 million dollar superman film and not one punch is thrown at all... incredible... would've been that hard to include a villain he could fight against? NEARLY EVERY OTHER FILM IN THIS GENRE SO FAR has had a villain the hero could physically fight or at least GOONS to fight. Every superhero film is as worthy as its bad guy(s). Returns had a piss poor plot for villainy, NO DECENT villains for Earth's most powerful hero to physically fight, nothing... not even a robot or machine to take down.

how does 200 mill plus budget only allow you to save 1 plane, a globe, 2 steel I-beams, blow out small flames in one sewer section on ONE STREET alone, and lift a CGI piece of **** colored rock, fly with not so great CGI doubles that could've had a real actor in place of them and lift one car and gently place it down in a stupid comedy attempt by Parker Posey?

now his budget being stripped to like 160 mill... and now you really think he's going to give you a massive all out Metropolis getting destroyed type battle with a Super villain? all for dozens and dozens of millions less with HIGHER salaries on the next round? If anything it's going to look worse than the Matrix fight scenes in Revolutions. it's going to look **** especially under Singer's wasteful hands.

Singer had 120 million to do X-men 2 and now compare that to Fellowship of the Ring's or Starship troopers (95 mill in 1997 so about 120 mill now perhaps)? Joy, one small scale mansion fight with Wolverine sticking in his claws dry. pathetic one on one battles between people (at least X-3 had a group fight with multiple groups), and an X-men dog chase scene with two fighter jets and the X-jet being taken out so incredibly easy... the whirlwind tornadoes looked like crap... it was like X-lite in terms of action. Starship troopers, mass global planetary war against massive well designed CGI creatures that still holds to this day. FOTR, some really cool battle scenes, epic in scope, you could tell the money was very well spent.

Singer is not fiscially responsible... he's fiscally crap
Award for best post of the day goes to......Echostation.:woot:

[dark_b]

Dark b: I think N.K. will be the central part of the story in the sequel. It will (IMHO) either create the villain, or draw the villain to it out of curiosity.but that doesnt mean that it will take place on NK with superman.

[dark_b]

yes Singer wanted that .That was an artistic choice a little like Star trek the motion picture had lavish sets with a lot of intricate details.

the second film although nice looking was a little more "rough" and cheaper.

so because Singer made that choice now that he wants to do a different movie , it doesnt' mean that he will make the same artistics choice.

The point is that you can save money for a second film , especially one where things move faster.i know that. i can not even blame singer for the lost money there because WB were the idiots who let him do this.

[GreenKToo]

yes I know that, but if it (N.K.) is central to the story, how are you gonna do it, without showing it?:yay: its all speculation anyway, for all we know we may never see N.K. again.but that doesnt mean that it will take place on NK with superman.

[Maze]

Award for best post of the day goes to......Echostation.:woot:
I don't agree .

his comparaison are not that good.

Jackson saved a lot of money in shooting the three movies back to back.

And hower think that King Kong cost more that 200 millions too.

and however starship trooper looked costier than it imo with 100 millions less.

it raise some question about what cost those moneys right now.

[Maze]

i know that. i can not even blame singer for the lost money there because WB were the idiots who let him do this.
i don't agree at all as i liked ( but not loved) the movie and thoses choices.

but we enter there the realm of the appreciation of Superman returns and and it's another matter .and you know how this debate are :woot:

let's move on :cwink:

[echostation]

even if you don't agree with my comparisons... the fact of the matter is the most exciting part of the film was the plane sequence... which half was that in? the first... how the hell do you have such an incredibly budgeted film having such a lack luster stupid climax

SINGER HIMSELF has stated he didn't want "children to see violence on screen with all the buildings and rubble going down" which is why it looked like such a tame, lame climax. He goes to save lois, then Lois goes back to save him... Water water everywhere (see if you can figure which poem that's from ;) ) a Friggin Pirate film had more action than a SUPERMAN film... and a more exciting finale...

Superman in his return deserved a KICK ASS exciting, exhirilating climax and finale... we got a bunch of hog washed watered down scenes that were so stretched out ie the hospital scene and the whole sea plane saving each other sequences...

The climax of the original Superman with him going after the missiles and stuff was so much more exciting than the crap we got here.

[Maze]

even if you don't agree with my comparisons... the fact of the matter is the most exciting part of the film was the plane sequence... which half was that in? the first... how the hell do you have such an incredibly budgeted film having such a lack luster stupid climax

SINGER HIMSELF has stated he didn't want "children to see violence on screen with all the buildings and rubble going down" which is why it looked like such a tame, lame climax. He goes to save lois, then Lois goes back to save him... Water water everywhere (see if you can figure which poem that's from ;) ) a Friggin Pirate film had more action than a SUPERMAN film... and a more exciting finale...

Superman in his return deserved a KICK ASS exciting, exhirilating climax and finale... we got a bunch of hog washed watered down scenes that were so stretched out ie the hospital scene and the whole sea plane saving each other sequences...

The climax of the original Superman with him going after the missiles and stuff was so much more exciting than the crap we got here.

the thing is Pirates 2 bored me to death not returns.

that's my opinion , but you see? right or wrong we don't "need" necessaraly the same things ;)

[VenomsMom]

even if you don't agree with my comparisons... the fact of the matter is the most exciting part of the film was the plane sequence... which half was that in? the first... how the hell do you have such an incredibly budgeted film having such a lack luster stupid climax

SINGER HIMSELF has stated he didn't want "children to see violence on screen with all the buildings and rubble going down" which is why it looked like such a tame, lame climax. He goes to save lois, then Lois goes back to save him... Water water everywhere (see if you can figure which poem that's from ;) ) a Friggin Pirate film had more action than a SUPERMAN film... and a more exciting finale...

Superman in his return deserved a KICK ASS exciting, exhirilating climax and finale... we got a bunch of hog washed watered down scenes that were so stretched out ie the hospital scene and the whole sea plane saving each other sequences...

The climax of the original Superman with him going after the missiles and stuff was so much more exciting than the crap we got here.
Superman Returns was a breath of stank air. Been there done that. I felt like I relived my childhood all over again. Im not going to rehash this all over again but echostation you could not have said it better.

[Mr. Socko]

Good news. Singer finally makes one good decision, let's stop rehashing what Donner has done.

But do you guys seriously think this is going to be a bigger movie with more action than SR when it has a smaller budget....think again.

[echostation]

venomsmom, you hit it on the head... STANK AIR... it so felt like I was back in my childhood IN A BAD WAY... I mean I loved the first 2 Superman films... they'll always hold a special place up there, but it's 2007, I'm not asking for a seeming Bay type rape-age of Transformers sort of change... all I ask is for some FRESHNESS... SOME EXCITING ACTION PACKED SCENES WITH A GOOD story...

Singer actually had a marvelous pitch in an OUTLINE... The idea of a Returns story IMO was a brilliant idea on his part... but boy he could not have made a bigger airball!

I mean how hard would it have been to have Lex become already more into business/industrialization and WEAPONS tech... in 5 years, he takes over half of Metropolis via LexCorps (it's amazing how a small CW-emo network show like Smallville gets that character aspect right on a budget about 50 fold less than that of Superman Returns)... Then Superman as Clark has to show somehow that Lex's intentions in general are evil in his journalistic style... You could have a massive showdown between Superman and all the new age weapons technology that Lex has made in the mean time... that would've made for a far better film...

I actually really liked the goofy Clark aspect, I really liked that overall and I don't mind that part being kept at the end of the day... what I do have an issue with is this stupid idea of "THE LOVE story HAS to work..." NOT in 2007... it's a 70s dated idea that worked then... NOT NOW... it's like SINGER, GET ON WITH IT and GET A CLUE... Make an epic action adventure superhero story worthy of remembering for years to come. if he's so "talented," I figure for 200+ mill... he'd be able to do that... I know other directors who could've made an incredible Superman film like

Jonathan Mostow, Zemeckis, even the cheesy Ron Howard, Frank Darabont (who's a fan of the comic), Shekar Kapur (who was attached at one point), Zack Snyder, Sam Raimi, Peter Jackson, Gore Verbinski and dozens of others.

I do admit... as much as I had issues with the action in X-2... I really hoped Singer stuck with it cuz he seemed to know what he was doing... far better than what Ratner did despite Ratner's action being better... Singer having the great idea of introducing the Hellfire club and doing an X-3 and X-4 back to back with the Phoenix Saga would've been terrific... he should've stuck to that cuz he's obviously much better with that material.

[redcaped]

Bring Brainiac as a program and Zod as the programmer! No Lex Luthor, Ursa or Non.

[Showtime]

Award for best post of the day goes to......Echostation.:woot:

Really? Where is this post, because I didn't see it in this thread? :dry:

[BH/HHH]

I'd go for Brainiac and (I forget his name) idea to have Doomsday in as Brainiac's weapon, pure genius.

[darkseid26]

no zod, i really wanted so see this....
http://actsofvillainy.com/scans/ScansDC/Zod3_DC_DCU_Act_b.jpg
and this

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1033/leezod17bb.jpg
:trans: .

[VenomsMom]

no zod, i really wanted so see this....
http://actsofvillainy.com/scans/ScansDC/Zod3_DC_DCU_Act_b.jpg
and this

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1033/leezod17bb.jpg
:trans: .Any villain can do this.

[VenomsMom]

If Lex get Kryptonite he can choke the life out of him too.

[stpatrick]

don't see what the big deal is with zod myself, he was never THAT big a villain in the comics, i think the franchise should be rebooted and i think the other more major villains should get a chance

[redcaped]

Who has higher probabilities 1_Zod, 2_Supergirl, 3_survivors? #3

[mjbull23]

Here are a couple of quick little sketches I put together this afteroon.


http://members.aol.com/netxplore/private/zodattack5.jpg
Here is the pencil sketch for the same pic..
http://members.aol.com/netxplore/private/zodroughdraft.jpg

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm glad you didn't start a new thread, but Zod is the fastest way Singer can lose support for the sequel.

[Showtime]

One word...NO

[Jochimus]

I'd rather they kept Zod in the past and shoved Luthor into the shadows to make room for another villain from the comics - Brainiac, Parasite, SOMEBODY else for a change.

[GreenKToo]

I actually would like to see him, but in a cameo only. Let terence stamp play him as an old, powerless Zod in prison.

[BH/HHH]

I really doubt he's using Zod.

[dark_b]

I really doubt he's using Zod.if i would tell you in 2004 that there will be direct lines from S:Tm would you belive it?

:woot:

[Steelsheen]

no Zod.

[Dr. Fate]

I don't want to see General Zod again. Plenty of other good villains who can be utilized.

[BH/HHH]

if i would tell you in 2004 that there will be direct lines from S:Tm would you belive it?

:woot:

But I know all :woot:

[VenomsMom]

OMG. Things have gotten this bad we are starting a thread on Zod and the prospects of bringing him back for the sequel. This is probably one of two villains Singer can handle, Zod and Brainiac, so I will take the latter.

[C. Lee]

The thread was started 9 months ago.

[Immortalfire]

Say NO to Zod.

[Showtime]

Wow this was bumped from the past....eerie.

[C. Lee]

Sometimes I wonder....am I the only person here who used to read Eerie and Creepy as they came out? Damn Frazetta did some neat covers for them.


Nothing to do with Zod....just referencing the last word in Show's post.

[Showtime]

As a horror fan I certainly know of them, but I never actually read any of them...

http://www.gdarkness.com/monstermags/eerie001-020.html

[manofsteel4life]

no Zod...not that Brandon Routh determines what they do in the Superman franchise.....but he already hinted that they will go with an enemy that hasnt been done before......although it would be cool to see Singers take on Zod, i seriously doubt he will, especially how people are still talking about how they think Lex shouldnt be an ememy an longer for Supes