The Official General Zod Thread

[Dave Kocher]

post your thougts here

[Weadazoid]

Terrible idea... anything to do with Zod.. even mentioning his name.

Well I would not go that far, but the people that felt Superman Returns payed too much homage to the first film and didn't exactly love it for that reason will stay far away if Zod Returns.... Might as well give it that name Zod Returns...and the box office will be worse then this one.

[lordofthenerds]

Someone should make a petition for Zod not being in the sequel.

[thedarks0ldier]

I think this could be like Raime with Sandman and Venom... except this time Singer with Zod and Brainiac. I personally want Luthor (minor role) with Brainiac (bigger, but not the biggest role) making a clone of Zod that Superman beats early on, confusing him, then a Superman clone totally throwing off Superman and ruining his reputation. The clone will turn out to be Bizarro.

[thedarks0ldier]

Someone should make a petition for Zod not being in the sequel.
I wish you would make your signalture never endind

[lordofthenerds]

I wish you would make your signalture never endind
That would take eternity...literally.

[hippie_hunter]

I think Zod would be cool to have for the sequel. Imagine with todays special effects a massive battle between two Kryptonians. And have Superman kill him in the end just like he did in the comics.

[CGHulk]

No Zod in this film or any other future Superman films!!!

[Motown Marvel]

zod would be rad to have, but i'd prefer him in a third film. i'd like to see someone new in the second film. but, ultimately, if they go with zod, im sure it'll be amazing...the fight scenes will be ridiculous.

and just because zod will be involved doesnt mean they'll be hacking supes 2. i can see the concern over that due to the numerous references of the original donner film in SR...but im sure if they go with zod it'll be a totally original story. much like how the dark knight will be using the joker, like burton has, but it'll be a new and original joker story.

[Mentok]

No to Zod. Even if it was the modern Comic version of Zod. I want to see someone else before they bring him him.

[Dan33977]

eh, I wouldn't mind Zod so long as there were another villain involved in the plot, too. Maybe have Zod be the main villain in part 2 (with Lex Luthor), with Brainiac in the background manipulating things, then have him reveal himself in part 3. that's how i'd like things to play out, anyway...

someone already mentioned this, but I thought I'd say it again -- Singer using Zod in the sequel does NOT mean that it'll automatically be a rehash of SUPERMAN II. What I mean is, the presence of Zod doesn't necesarily mean the movie has to be a rehash of SUPERMAN II (in the same way that RETURNS was a rehash of Donner's SUPERMAN). If anything, the way I envision it, if Zod IS a/the villain in the sequel, it'll be an entirely NEW Zod, with NO referneces AT ALL to SUPERMAN II -- a Zod who's never been to Earth before.

RETURNS really only puts Donner's SUPERMAN in a vague history -- NOT SUPERMAN II!! For all we know, Zod hasn't been to Earth yet!

[hippie_hunter]

RETURNS really only puts Donner's SUPERMAN in a vague history -- NOT SUPERMAN II!! For all we know, Zod hasn't been to Earth yet!

Actually they've made three MAJOR references to Superman II.

1. Lex Luthor knows that location of the Fortress of Solitude and he knows his way around in Superman Returns. Even Kitty says that he acts like he's been there before. In Superman II, Lex found the Fortress of Solitude.

2. Jason White, the son of Superman and Lois Lane. Clark and Lois had sex in the Fortress of Solitude in Superman II. In Superman Returns we have little Jason.

3. Lois doesn't know that Clark is Superman (yet she apparently had sex with him). At the end of Superman II, Lois forgets that Clark is Superman. In Superman Returns, she still doesn't know that Clark is Superman.

[Weadazoid]

Actually they've made three MAJOR references to Superman II.

1. Lex Luthor knows that location of the Fortress of Solitude and he knows his way around in Superman Returns. Even Kitty says that he acts like he's been there before. In Superman II, Lex found the Fortress of Solitude.

2. Jason White, the son of Superman and Lois Lane. Clark and Lois had sex in the Fortress of Solitude in Superman II. In Superman Returns we have little Jason.

3. Lois doesn't know that Clark is Superman (yet she apparently had sex with him). At the end of Superman II, Lois forgets that Clark is Superman. In Superman Returns, she still doesn't know that Clark is Superman.


well stated

[The Overlord]

I think Zod would be cool to have for the sequel. Imagine with todays special effects a massive battle between two Kryptonians. And have Superman kill him in the end just like he did in the comics.

Zod already got a chance to be on the silver screen, why can't a Superman villain besides Zod and Lex have a chance to shine on the silvere screen? Besides, since SR was just a rehash of Superman I, if they use Zod what will prevent this movie from being a rehash of Superman II?

[Superman \S/]

I wouldn't mind three villains. So i say Brainiac, Luthor and maybe Zod.

[The Kid]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ZOD

DAMMIT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOO

no

[matrix_ghost]

You can have 1 billion villains and make it work as long as they 1) can all act , 2) worh within the story and 3) kick supes ass in a 200 million CGI fight scene orgy :oldrazz:

[The Kid]

I want to see that, but it's definitely more important that it works for the story, indeed. King Kong had a lot of meaningless bashfests that while visually amazing for the first few minutes, just put me to sleep zzzzzzz afterwards so maybe you know where I'm coming from with this idea.

BUT ANYONE BUT ZOD!!! NO MORE VAGUE HISTORY!!! I'LL EVEN TAKE SUPES VS HARRY POTTER INSTEAD OF ZOD

YES... USE SOMEONE WHO DOES MAGIC.

[Kevin Roegele]

Terrence Stamp is still around, therefore put him in. He should have been in Returns really. Sure he's older, but either work that into the storyline, or use X2 CGI.

[Dan33977]

Besides, since SR was just a rehash of Superman I, if they use Zod what will prevent this movie from being a rehash of Superman II?

A lot of things. I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- if Zod is used as the main villain in the sequel, THIS DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE IT A REHASH OF SUPERMAN II IN THE SAME VAIN THAT RETURNS WAS A REHASH OF DONNER'S SUPERMAN!! I would be perfectly fine with Zod in the sequel as long as he is used creatively and/or with ANOTHER villain.

[DorkyFresh]

if Zod is the next villain...i will hate Singer foreverz. i like how he used the originals as a vague history but he needs to move the story forward, not backward.

[The Overlord]

A lot of things. I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- if Zod is used as the main villain in the sequel, THIS DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE IT A REHASH OF SUPERMAN II IN THE SAME VAIN THAT RETURNS WAS A REHASH OF DONNER'S SUPERMAN!! I would be perfectly fine with Zod in the sequel as long as he is used creatively and/or with ANOTHER villain.

Perhaps but if Zod is the only villain, it will increase the likelyhood of the sequel being a SM II rehash and I don't trust Singer to be original at this point.

[SuperDaniel]

NO ZOD!! I`d say make Richard become Metallo or give us Brainiac or Darkseid.

[C. Lee]

I would prefer for Zod not to be brought back...but have a bad feeling he will.

[KaptainKrypton]

Man, I'm the only insane guy on here, I guess. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Zod brought back into the equation. I also wouldn't mind seeing any one of Supes' other rogues gallery members. As long as I like the film and it's quality in my eyes, then I don't give a damn if they use Prankster and Toyman (although they wouldn't be tops of my list).

[Mogwai]

I just want to see an evil Kryptonian, I don't care who it is.

[The Kid]

Man, I'm the only insane guy on here, I guess. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Zod brought back into the equation. I also wouldn't mind seeing any one of Supes' other rogues gallery members. As long as I like the film and it's quality in my eyes, then I don't give a damn if they use Prankster and Toyman (although they wouldn't be tops of my list).

:cmad: Why? You know it'll just be someone doing a terrance stamp immitation don't you?

Let someone else in supe's gallery have a chance for once...

KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL BEFORE METALLO, OR BRAINIAC!

[Ceb-Man]

With Special effects it would be cool to see A Superman-Zod fight, but personally I am ready Brainiac to make his first on screen appearance!

[Mogwai]

With Special effects it would be cool to see A Superman-Zod fight, but personally I am ready Brainiac to make his first on screen appearance!
Yeah, I'd like to see Brainiac too...but better then the 'Smallville' version.

[Immortalfire]

post your thougts here My thoughts; don't put Zod in a new movie.

Thank you.

[coast city]

Zod will kill Jason. Anyone who's seen the wrath of Khan has to assume that's what Singer's building to, what with all of the hints he's given.

[Dan33977]

Actually they've made three MAJOR references to Superman II.


See, I disagree. I don't necessarily POST on the SHH forum that much, but let me assure you, I have lurked here for QUITE some time now, ESPECIALLY on the SUPERMAN-related message boards, so I'm familiar with a lot of stuff that goes on here -- the typical complaints, nit-picks, etc. And one of the ones that I STILL see A LOT of haters complaining about is Singer's "vague history" idea. This is not to say that YOU disliked this idea, but when I see fans of RETURNS defend it, or try to explain it to the haters, it seems as though even THEY get it wrong and misrepresent what this flick is, making it seem all the more worse to the people who ALREADY hate this flick as it is. Now, I'm going to explain myself further below, but let me say that I firmly believe that RETURNS is more of a sequel to Donner's FIRST SUPERMAN film, and that's IT! Singer even said once in an interview that SUPERMAN II is not really in his "vague history" and he doesn't really even consider it to be that great of a movie. The way I see it, the first SUPERMAN film happens, then stuff in between that WE DO NOT SEE ON THE BIG SCREEN, Superman leaves, and then he returns in SUPERMAN RETURNS. So, really, all of the "references" to SUPERMAN II that people say are in RETURNS and that people claim make RETURNS a "vague" sequel to SUPERMAN II are, in fact, NOT REFERENCES TO SUPERMAN II AT ALL!! Let me explain...


1. Lex Luthor knows that location of the Fortress of Solitude and he knows his way around in Superman Returns. Even Kitty says that he acts like he's been there before. In Superman II, Lex found the Fortress of Solitude.


You know, this is the ONE thing that you have against me. I went into RETURNS all four times that I saw it with the mindset that this is a loose sequel to Donner's first SUPERMAN film ONLY; however, having said that, I was a bit taken aback my first time when Kitty muttered this line when she and Lex were in the Fortress of Solitude. And, in all honesty, this is the SOLE thing, the ONE PIECE of evidence, that you guys have to back up your belief that RETURNS is even an iota of loose sequel to SUPERMAN II; however, having said that, there are TWO possible scenarios that could still make RETURNS a loose sequel to ONLY Donner's first SUPERMAN film, and not SUPERMAN II, too. First, who's to say that Lex actually HAS been to the Fortress of Solitude before? Kitty just said it SEEMED like he had been, it doesn't mean he actually has. After all, in the scene before they arrive, they are all on Lex's new yacht, possibly SEARCHING for the Fortress of Solitude. Secondly, OK, let's say he HAS been there before. Who's to say it was the time he was there in SUPERMAN II? It's entirely possible, and it is my strict believe, that after the events of Donner's first SUPERMAN film happen, Superman leaves, Lex becomes a free man because of this, and, somehow, for some reason, discovers and goes to the Fortress of Solitude. Lex plots and plans for Superman's inevitable return, and when the time is right, he RETURNS to the Fortress of Solitude (in RETURNS) and steals the crystals.


2. Jason White, the son of Superman and Lois Lane. Clark and Lois had sex in the Fortress of Solitude in Superman II. In Superman Returns we have little Jason.


WRONG!! There is never ANY mention that Jason was conceived during the scene in SUPERMAN II where Superman takes Lois to the Fortress of Solitude -- not in the movie, not from Singer, not from ANYONE! And, in fact, as usual, the ONLY people to EVER suggest this was the case were nit-picky, continuity-obsessed fanboys. Seriously, guys, it's not that difficult to understand. Singer stated that he does not consider SUPERMAN II to be in the "vague history" of RETURNS!! It's so very easy to put the pieces together. Listen, like with the example above with Lex and the Fortress of Solitude, the events of Donner's first SUPERMAN film happen and afterward, as time passes, Superman does his same old stuff -- saves people, etc. Meanwhile, he and Lois grow closer and closer, until eventually, one night, he sleeps with her. Time goes by, and eventually, Superman leaves Earth without telling her. She meets Richard, gives birth to the baby, etc, and 5 years later, Superman returns! See? No SUPERMAN II involved AT ALL!!:super: :supes:


3. Lois doesn't know that Clark is Superman (yet she apparently had sex with him). At the end of Superman II, Lois forgets that Clark is Superman. In Superman Returns, she still doesn't know that Clark is Superman.

OK, now THIS example is just idiotic, man. I mean, come on, I don't even HAVE to debunk this one. You basically say that because Lois doesn't know Clark is Superman in RETURNS, this automatically puts SUPERMAN II in the "vague history" because at the end of SUPERMAN II she doesn't know that Clark is Superman, either. Did you ever stop to think that she also doesn't know he's Superman at the end of Donner's first SUPERMAN film, either? So, RETURNS ALSO can take place after THAT flick, too! Why does Lois EVER have to find out who Superman is, just so she can forget it and not know who he is in RETURNS? Why, in the "vague history," do we HAVE to have her find out who he is? Why can't she just NOT KNOW AT ALL, like she does at the end of Donner's first SUPERMAN film. But you say that, well, she had sex with him in SUPERMAN II, or as I like to say, IN BETWEEN SUPERMAN and SUPERMAN RETURNS. Well, how exactly does THAT make sense? So, Superman cannot have sex with Lois without telling her his secret identity? This is how it happened, in my opinion -- as in the above examples, the events of Donner's SUPERMAN happen, time goes by as before, etc, Superman and Lois grow closer, and Superman eventually has sex with Lois...WITHOUT TELLING HER THAT HE'S ALSO CLARK KENT. Then...HE LEAVES!!

So here we have it folks!! This is MY interpretation of Bryan Singer's "vague history." He doesn't really like SUPERMAN II, and, well, I don't, either (although I cannot WAIT to see Donner's cut of the film -- THAT I am SURE I will enjoy and wouldn't mind if it were included in the "vague history" to SUPERMAN RETURNS. The only problem is it hadn't been released yet when Singer was making RETURNS. Oh, well).:super:

Anyway, this is a recap of how it ALL happens: after the events Donner's first SUPERMAN film happen, some time goes by, Superman and Lois get closer, they eventually sleep together (and he does NOT divulge his secret identity to her), scientists announce that they think they've found Krypton, Superman leaves Earth without telling Lois, Lex Luthor then becomes a free man when Superman fails to show up at Lex's trial. Wondering where the man who ruined his life went, Lex embarks on a 5-year-long journey to discover more about his enemy, preparing for his inevitable return. In the process, he discovers the Fortress of Solitude. Meanwhile, Lois meets Richard, and she has a baby. Years later, hurt, angry, confused, and lonely, she writes an article entitled, “Why The World Doesn't Need Superman," and wins the Pulitzer Prize for it. Then, Superman suddenly returns. Lois is still dating Richard. Jason is now a growing boy. And Lex, outfitted with a new gang, girlfriend, and yacht, returns to the Fortress of Solitude that he found long ago, prepared to initiate what he's waited and planned for 5 years to do: kill Superman.:supes:

Sounds epic, eh? And, look, not a single mention of General Zod. Oh, how I love SUPERMAN RETURNS.:super: :super: :supes:

[Dan33977]

Testing...

[Dan33977]

Bump. SOMEONE REPLY TO MY POST PLEASE!!

[Immortalfire]

Bump. SOMEONE REPLY TO MY POST PLEASE!! http://scottwax.com/rice/ratedr/attention%20whore3.jpg

[buggs0268]

See, I disagree. I don't necessarily POST on the SHH forum that much, but let me assure you, I have lurked here for QUITE some time now, ESPECIALLY on the SUPERMAN-related message boards, so I'm familiar with a lot of stuff that goes on here -- the typical complaints, nit-picks, etc. And one of the ones that I STILL see A LOT of haters complaining about is Singer's "vague history" idea. This is not to say that YOU disliked this idea, but when I see fans of RETURNS defend it, or try to explain it to the haters, it seems as though even THEY get it wrong and misrepresent what this flick is, making it seem all the more worse to the people who ALREADY hate this flick as it is. Now, I'm going to explain myself further below, but let me say that I firmly believe that RETURNS is more of a sequel to Donner's FIRST SUPERMAN film, and that's IT! Singer even said once in an interview that SUPERMAN II is not really in his "vague history" and he doesn't really even consider it to be that great of a movie. The way I see it, the first SUPERMAN film happens, then stuff in between that WE DO NOT SEE ON THE BIG SCREEN, Superman leaves, and then he returns in SUPERMAN RETURNS. So, really, all of the "references" to SUPERMAN II that people say are in RETURNS and that people claim make RETURNS a "vague" sequel to SUPERMAN II are, in fact, NOT REFERENCES TO SUPERMAN II AT ALL!! Let me explain...





You know, this is the ONE thing that you have against me. I went into RETURNS all four times that I saw it with the mindset that this is a loose sequel to Donner's first SUPERMAN film ONLY; however, having said that, I was a bit taken aback my first time when Kitty muttered this line when she and Lex were in the Fortress of Solitude. And, in all honesty, this is the SOLE thing, the ONE PIECE of evidence, that you guys have to back up your belief that RETURNS is even an iota of loose sequel to SUPERMAN II; however, having said that, there are TWO possible scenarios that could still make RETURNS a loose sequel to ONLY Donner's first SUPERMAN film, and not SUPERMAN II, too. First, who's to say that Lex actually HAS been to the Fortress of Solitude before? Kitty just said it SEEMED like he had been, it doesn't mean he actually has. After all, in the scene before they arrive, they are all on Lex's new yacht, possibly SEARCHING for the Fortress of Solitude. Secondly, OK, let's say he HAS been there before. Who's to say it was the time he was there in SUPERMAN II? It's entirely possible, and it is my strict believe, that after the events of Donner's first SUPERMAN film happen, Superman leaves, Lex becomes a free man because of this, and, somehow, for some reason, discovers and goes to the Fortress of Solitude. Lex plots and plans for Superman's inevitable return, and when the time is right, he RETURNS to the Fortress of Solitude (in RETURNS) and steals the crystals.





WRONG!! There is never ANY mention that Jason was conceived during the scene in SUPERMAN II where Superman takes Lois to the Fortress of Solitude -- not in the movie, not from Singer, not from ANYONE! And, in fact, as usual, the ONLY people to EVER suggest this was the case were nit-picky, continuity-obsessed fanboys. Seriously, guys, it's not that difficult to understand. Singer stated that he does not consider SUPERMAN II to be in the "vague history" of RETURNS!! It's so very easy to put the pieces together. Listen, like with the example above with Lex and the Fortress of Solitude, the events of Donner's first SUPERMAN film happen and afterward, as time passes, Superman does his same old stuff -- saves people, etc. Meanwhile, he and Lois grow closer and closer, until eventually, one night, he sleeps with her. Time goes by, and eventually, Superman leaves Earth without telling her. She meets Richard, gives birth to the baby, etc, and 5 years later, Superman returns! See? No SUPERMAN II involved AT ALL!!:super: :supes:


[color=black]

OK, now THIS example is just idiotic, man. I mean, come on, I don't even HAVE to debunk this one. You basically say that because Lois doesn't know Clark is Superman in RETURNS, this automatically puts SUPERMAN II in the "vague history" because at the end of SUPERMAN II she doesn't know that Clark is Superman, either. Did you ever stop to think that she also doesn't know he's Superman at the end of Donner's first SUPERMAN film, either? So, RETURNS ALSO can take place after THAT flick, too! Why does Lois EVER have to find out who Superman is, just so she can forget it and not know who he is in RETURNS? Why, in the "vague history," do we HAVE to have her find out who he is? Why can't she just NOT KNOW AT ALL, like she does at the end of Donner's first SUPERMAN film. But you say that, well, she had sex with him in SUPERMAN II, or as I like to say, IN BETWEEN SUPERMAN and SUPERMAN RETURNS. Well, how exactly does THAT make sense? So, Superman cannot have sex with Lois without telling her his secret identity? This is how it happened, in my opinion -- as in the above examples, the events of Donner's SUPERMAN happen, time goes by as before, etc, Superman and Lois grow closer, and Superman eventually has sex with Lois...WITHOUT TELLING HER THAT HE'S ALSO CLARK KENT. Then...HE LEAVES!!

So here we have it folks!! This is MY interpretation of Bryan Singer's "vague history." He doesn't really like SUPERMAN II, and, well, I don't, either (although I cannot WAIT to see Donner's cut of the film -- THAT I am SURE I will enjoy and wouldn't mind if it were included in the "vague history" to SUPERMAN RETURNS. The only problem is it hadn't been released yet when Singer was making RETURNS. Oh, well).:super:

Anyway, this is a recap of how it ALL happens: after the events Donner's first SUPERMAN film happen, some time goes by, Superman and Lois get closer, they eventually sleep together (and he does NOT divulge his secret identity to her), scientists announce that they think they've found Krypton, Superman leaves Earth without telling Lois, Lex Luthor then becomes a free man when Superman fails to show up at Lex's trial. Wondering where the man who ruined his life went, Lex embarks on a 5-year-long journey to discover more about his enemy, preparing for his inevitable return. In the process, he discovers the Fortress of Solitude. Meanwhile, Lois meets Richard, and she has a baby. Years later, hurt, angry, confused, and lonely, she writes an article entitled, “Why The World Doesn't Need Superman," and wins the Pulitzer Prize for it. Then, Superman suddenly returns. Lois is still dating Richard. Jason is now a growing boy. And Lex, outfitted with a new gang, girlfriend, and yacht, returns to the Fortress of Solitude that he found long ago, prepared to initiate what he's waited and planned for 5 years to do: kill Superman.:supes:

Sounds epic, eh? And, look, not a single mention of General Zod. Oh, how I love SUPERMAN RETURNS.:super: :super: :supes:
Superman Returns is a sequel to SII. Singer just said that as he wanted to deflect all the post film rumors that Jason is Supe's son as it was the big. secret revelation of this film. All through his career Singer had said that he had an idea for a sequel to SII, and Spacey had even said that on video when he was cast. Paraphrasing "Even when we worked on the Usual Suspects, Bryan was going around the set telling anyone would listen to his great idea of a sequel to Superman 2. So it is great that he is finally getting his chance to do it" So, SR is a direct Sequel to Supes 2. In fact, even Bryan said this would be Superman 3 in an interview while the film was in pre-production. This vague history B.S. was just so people didn't figure out that Jason was his son. But, like the Robert Downey Jr's cjaracter says in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (Paraphrasing) "Rules to Hollywood. If a character is in a movie, and they make a point to show him, he has something to do with it later on. Why do you think they made a point of showing the Cook's Assistant in hunt for Red October. Because he was going to be coming back into the film."

[M.O.Steel]

i think it would be interesting if the SR sequel would use an alternate version of the smallville.

Explanation: In smallville, we clearly see that zod is the main villian and brainiac's mission in the show was to come to earth and free his master. So Brainiac is his assistant, his "b*tch" what have you.

In SR, it would be interesting if they switched it. For instance, let's say for arguements sake that zod doesn't die in Supe2, he's in jail or something. Brainiac comes to earth and frees him, but this time Zod is working under brainiac to kill Kal-el, not the other way around.

I personally don't want either. just stick with brainiac or metallo or some combination sans zod. I would have liked it much more if metallo+lex was featured in the first one, and then 2 and 3 filmed together (just like POTC, and matrix) featuring brainiac and lex.

[M.O.Steel]

How awesome would it have been if with SR, the entire marketing scheme, trailers, posters, everything had Mardsen's name be richard white, but during that introduction scene with Clark in SR, lois says the word John Corben instead of Richard White. I would have crapped my pants. Ofcourse, the rest of the movie would have to be different but still, i could dream.

[SatEL]

Zod will kill Jason. Anyone who's seen the wrath of Khan has to assume that's what Singer's building to, what with all of the hints he's given.

At least that would solve a problem but i think theres no need for zod.

[KaptainKrypton]

:cmad: Why? You know it'll just be someone doing a terrance stamp immitation don't you?

Let someone else in supe's gallery have a chance for once...

KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL BEFORE METALLO, OR BRAINIAC!
:yay: Zod is my favorite Superman villain and has been since I was four so I'm a bit of a mark for him. If it were a solid actor playing Zod, then I'd love to see him. If it was another villain, though, I wouldn't mind. I love a lot of the different villains from the comics. I'd like to see Darkseid, Metallo, Brainiac, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Hank Henshaw, or Preus depicted in a movie. Like I said, Wey...as long as I'm happy with the end result, then I don't care who he fights. I go to watch Superman and not necessarily the villains. It used to be the opposite for Batman (until Begins fixed that for me, somewhat).

[matrix_ghost]

Personally i think that if they can make Zod look like this , then by all means USE HIM ! :

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6691/leezod17bb5kj.jpg

[Immortalfire]

Zod will kill Jason. Anyone who's seen the wrath of Khan has to assume that's what Singer's building to, what with all of the hints he's given. Then Singer still may not know what he's saying, as Khan didn't kill Kirk's son. Perhaps he doesn't know Trek as well as he thought. :huh:

[Lightning54SC]

matrix find me more pics like that pLEASEEEEEEEEEE

[Lightning54SC]

matrix find me more pics like that pLEASEEEEEEEEEE

[matrix_ghost]

Dude , i just got that pic when i was brwsing thru a thread in the comics section of superman. They have a thread there were everyone can post their fav. superman pics.

[X-Maniac]

For instance, let's say for arguements sake that zod doesn't die in Supe2, he's in jail or something. Brainiac comes to earth and frees him, but this time Zod is working under brainiac to kill Kal-el, not the other way around.

I thought Zod WAS in jail at the end of Superman 2. The TV version of the movie showed the villains being taken away by police didn't it?

[matthooper]

I thought Zod WAS in jail at the end of Superman 2. The TV version of the movie showed the villains being taken away by police didn't it?


That is absolutely true. Donner shot a scene where Zod is taken away by police. There were conflicting rumors that this scene will be in the Donner Cut of Supes 2.

[Weadazoid]

Personally i think that if they can make Zod look like this , then by all means USE HIM ! :

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6691/leezod17bb5kj.jpg



Zod would never look anything like that in a Singer movie

[KaptainKrypton]

That is absolutely true. Donner shot a scene where Zod is taken away by police. There were conflicting rumors that this scene will be in the Donner Cut of Supes 2.
The different cuts of Supes 2 is going to play hell on continuity buffs when it hits the street.

[The Kid]

When STM II was shown on tv sometimes in the past that scene was inserted back into the film, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if it was included in the donner cut.

[M.O.Steel]

Personally i think that if they can make Zod look like this , then by all means USE HIM ! :

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6691/leezod17bb5kj.jpg

IMO, I actaully hope ZOD never looks like that, because he's supposed to look like Kal-el and Jor-el, not some silly looking monster. While i don't like the costume of the movie version, i still think zod is depicted better as a "human"

[Glen78]

What do you guys think about if they decide to of zod in the new movie i reckon The Rock would be a good choice.

[Upper_Krust]

Hi all! :)

Now that the sequel seems to have been confirmed. How does everyone feel about the prospect of Zod showing up?

Do you want Zod in the sequel more than any other villain? Will you still go to see a sequel where Zod is the only villain? Or are you only interested in a villain other than Zod?

Personally I am hoping for anyone but Zod, and I am torn by the idea.

[giggs11uk]

brainiac please!!!!!!!!!!!!! i want him to be played by james marsters but i kno that wont happen

[Superman \S/]

I wouldn't mind. But seriously, we've already seen Zod. I want someone different.

[Octoberist]

I don't know if WB would allow Singer to use Zod again. Honestly, it would once agian fall in the "Donner" universe again. We'll see.

I mean, it would be nice to see someone else...

[GreenKToo]

I really dont want Zod.

[hippie_hunter]

I think Zod would be perfect for the next Superman movie on one condition:

Superman kills him like in the comics.

[Super Kal]

I do not want Zod, and if he chooses him, I will not see it. I might rent it, but there's no need in watching another remake of Superman 2...



If Singer really respects Donner's vision, he won't do Zod.

[lordofthenerds]

I'll see it, but I definently don't want Zod to be the only villain.

[Dr. MIX]

I don't want him in the movie. But hey, who am I kidding, I'll see a Superman movie regardless.

[Thot]

Zod was great in SII. We need something we haven't seen in a Superman film before. Like an ass-kicking, cosmic-level, fight-to-the-death fest never before done in any superhero film to date. Hopefully Singer will get a clue and distance himself from SR and not attempt another limp "homage" to Donner's vastly superior effort. I am not encouraged.

[Andy C.]

Who the villain is doesn't really matter as long as it's well-written. If the script is solid, it could be freakin' Toyman and Prankster or Mr. Mxyzptlk or Crazy Quilt for all I care. Hell, as long as they do it well, they could pull one of those Silver Age stories where Jimmy gets powers and turns evil. Slapping a 'physical' villain in the movie just for the sheer sake of having Superman punch him around is not the most important part of the movie; telling a good story is.

That being said, I would prefer seeing a villain who hasn't been done before like Zod. Brainiac's the logical choice, since in most forms of the story he's the #2 villain next to Luthor, plus he's got some interesting powers to play around with. But like I said, as long as the story is done well, I'll take anybody.

[Super Kal]

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[Morg]

KrypJonian, I would advice not to do that again. Be nice or I'll boot you

[Super Kal]

i really hope not... there is hope for the sequel.

[Dan33977]

Read my sig -- I would DEFINITELY see it. Having said that, though, I think there should be a 4th option on this poll. In other words, like my sig says, I d want Zod to be a villain in the sequel, but not the MAIN one. Either that, or have him be the main one in part 2 with Brainiac as a sort of behind-the-scenes type villain, and have Brainiac be revealed at the end of part 2 or in part 3 as the villain for part 3. And of course Lex has to be in all three.

Oh, yeah, and I just wanted to say that when I say I want Zod to be a part of the sequel, I don't mean the same General Zod from SUPERMAN II. My take is that RETURNS was more of a sequel to JUST Donner's first SUPERMAN and NOT SUPERMAN II. In other words, SUPERMAN II isn't in this vague history, so Zod hasn't been to Earth yet in this new contuity. Also, NO URSA AND NON!!

[Morg]

*kills another troll* next!

[C. Lee]

I think Zod would be perfect for the next Superman movie on one condition:

Superman kills him like in the comics.
That actually might work....although I am against Zod being in the movie.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

My idea is Braniac as well. In my script I am working on, Braniac features into it. Suffice to say, there are some large scale battles with Braniac's ability to control things.

[explode7]

NO ZOD please.

[BatJeff7786]

I'd rather not have Zod in there, but as long as the story is good, I'll give it a chance.

[GoldGoblin]

I'd like to see Superman face Zod since there is new special effects it would be cool to see the fights they can have now that they couldn't have back then.

[Kalé]

I woul'd see it if goose gorman is the villain also.

[dark_b]

i guess i will watch the movie if zod is the villain. only because of the action. i need to see that. i can not watch it for teh first time at home.

but lets think about it. i think that if zod is teh villain singer will not be the biggest idiot. WB would be the one who would really show tha tthey dont have inteligence.
lets be honest here. inside we all kknow that with singer as the director(and hes obssesion of the donner movies) there is really a big chance that he will have zod.
but what is about WB? WB are the ones who gave him 200 milions and are now going down on 140-170 milions. they are the ones who didnt want more action in SR and are now saying that they need more action in the sequel. they are the ones who made huge mistakes(they made mistakes already in the past....i guess somethings never change).

so what will WB do?is horn smart enough to tell singer that zod is not an option? is he smart enough to tell him that no matter how god the story is written zod is not an option because he was already done?

[matrix_ghost]

Altough i really don't want to see Zod as i villain , i'd still go see it.
Simply because ít's two kryptonians slugging it out in metropolis with today's insane CG technology.


It's the superbrawl of the matrix revolutions , on;y without the kung fu and ten times the CG mayhem in IMAX :woot:
That alone is worth my ticket :oldrazz:

I'll just go to Imax, buy a good meal , eat thru all the boring stuff of SInger and then watch that spectacle :woot:

[Lightning54SC]

id like to see 2 villains... kinda like Bateman begins where one villain setup another...

Edward Norton - Zod
Brainiac - ????

[Kabuki_Jo]

no, I won't

[CConn]

I would go see SR2 if Ethel Merman was the villain.

[Jasomius]

I do not want to see Zod as the villain, but I wouldn't mind seeing it.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

No Zod. No more Donner homages. No more remakes.

Braniac, or Doomsday... please!

[Jasomius]

No Zod. No more Donner homages. No more remakes.

Remakes? Superman Returns wasn't a remake.

For it to be a remake, it would have to tell the same story. S:tM was an origin and SR was a reintroduction set after S:tM, so how can it be a remake?

[batman44]

I choose option #2.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Remakes? Superman Returns wasn't a remake.

For it to be a remake, it would have to tell the same story. S:tM was an origin and SR was a reintroduction set after S:tM, so how can it be a remake?

There have been rumors about a possible remake of SM:2, which Singer hinted back in the post-production days. Therefore SR:2, might well be a remake of SM:2.

[Jasomius]

There have been rumors about a possible remake of SM:2, which Singer hinted back in the post-production days. Therefore SR:2, might well be a remake of SM:2.What rumours? The only thing resembling a rumour about a SM: 2 remake was Dougherty and Harris saying they will not use Zod in the sequel.

Do you mean the Superman II Donner Cut? Singer let some of the sets from SR be used in that.

[mclay18]

I do not want Zod in the film, but I'll most likely see the SR2 sequel regardless if Singer puts him in it. We've gotten Zod in Superman II (which is plenty enough for me), but I want Singer to stop featuring villains Donner introduced and branch out on his own. That said, I would prefer if Brainiac or another villain would be in the sequel instead.

[BasinCityBlues]

I wouldn't mind to see Zod, but I prefer Brainiac or Bizarro.

[I Am The Knight]

Of course I would see it, and so would you.

[Super Kal]

nope... no I wouldn't.

[anubiscomplex]

You guys need to give the ZOD premise a rest. SR is the next chapter AFTER SM II.. So the Zod idea is dead at this point...He killed him off already..not like in the comics, but atleast he killed him.

[Weadazoid]

No...I won't go see it if Zod is in the movie, and neither will alot of others who felt the first movie was too much like the origional, and seeing Zod in a trailer will complelaty turn those who had this feeling who actualy saw the first film.

[Super Kal]

I say keep Zod for the third movie, so we can have a final ultimate battle between Zod and Superman inside the Phantom Zone.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

You guys need to give the ZOD premise a rest. SR is the next chapter AFTER SM II.. So the Zod idea is dead at this point...He killed him off already..not like in the comics, but atleast he killed him.

The problem is that we do not to what extent fully that Singer borrowed from the first two Superman movies. We do not know what he picked to use with his rather annoying "vague history" concept. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Singer fan, but I think this confusion robbed the movie of some amount of 'buy in'.

[Morgoth]

It's time for a fresh new villian in the movies, like Brainiac. But I'd still go see it if Zod were in it, and I think Hugo Weaving should play Zod.:woot:

[C. Lee]

I would go see SR2 if Ethel Merman was the villain.
"It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad Superman World" :woot:

[KaptainKrypton]

I didn't vote for anyone of the choices because I don't mind if Zod is there, and I also don't mind if it's a completely fresh villain, either. As long as I like the end product, I don't even give a damn if it's Mxyzptlk in the thing. The buck stops at the Prankster, though. I have to draw the line somewhere.

[C. Lee]

No love for the Prankster....:csad:

[Mr. Socko]

You know Singer, he'll probably remake Superman II.

If in any event he does, I'll have my hands all over a bootleg copy from Comic-Con

[explode7]

^Cable shall be the better choice.

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah, you're right. I'd be in no hurry to watch it.

[explode7]

Your getting the idea.

[Jasomius]

You know Singer, he'll probably remake Superman II.No, no, no he won't. This misconception is completely from the naysayer's paranoia. They have been complaining about Sr being a remake so much they've convinced themselves Singer is on some sort of agenda to remake the Superman movies.

It's all in your head.

If in any event he does, I'll have my hands all over a bootleg copy from Comic-ConI don't understand your logic. You hate the movies, yet you are still going to watch it (albeit not in theaters)? You know that's not normal right?

[toddly6666]

A villain that is intelligent like Luthor and a villain that likes to punch around is important for the next movie:
The combination of those two characteristics are:
Darkseid or Mongol


But knowing Hollywood, for a character to be seriously beat up or killed, it's going to have to be some alien beast creature or a zombie-type character, so then you can have:
Doomsday or Bizzaro


Isn't Brainiac similar to Luthor anyway?
They can have Brainiac be the brains, and he can have Doomsday or Bizzaro be the muscle.

[Darkred]

No matter who the villain, i think we will all go to see it anyway. I think they should leave Zod for now.
How about a reinvented Bizzarro. I think this villain, if done right would make a stunning foe.

[Retroman]

I don't want Zod in SR2, SR4 or any sequels for the near future.I'd still go see the movie but probably not with that much enthusiasm.:o

We need a fresh new villain one thats not be done before in the live action movies and i think we're going to get one after reading the IESB report.:yay:

[GreenKToo]

:up:I don't want Zod in SR2, SR4 or any sequels for the near future.I'd still go see the movie but probably not with that much enthusiasm.:o

We need a fresh new villain one thats not be done before in the live action movies and i think we're going to get one after reading the IESB report.:yay:

[C. Lee]

I don't understand your logic. You hate the movies, yet you are still going to watch it (albeit not in theaters)? You know that's not normal right?
Not really. He's saying that he disliked SR...so has no high hopes for it's sequel....so he won't pay to see it in the theater, but will see it in one way or another to eventually be able to know how it was done.

There are many movies that I wait to see on DVD instead of at the theater. For me, it's a 40 mile round trip to a theater....but the Blockbuster is 2 minutes away.

[bosef982]

Not really. He's saying that he disliked SR...so has no high hopes for it's sequel....so he won't pay to see it in the theater, but will see it in one way or another to eventually be able to know how it was done.

There are many movies that I wait to see on DVD instead of at the theater. For me, it's a 40 mile round trip to a theater....but the Blockbuster is 2 minutes away.

Where the hell do you live?

[Super Kal]

if he does use Zod, I will gladly not see it in theaters...

there is such a plethora of villains to choose from, and if the only one he can think up from is one that was already used 20 years ago, then he's not a big a fan as he says he is.

[C. Lee]

Where the hell do you live?
My location says Georgetown, Kentucky.....it's a good bet that's it.:woot:

It's a small town...I have to go to Lexington to see a movie....Lex has several theaters, but none are on the side of town closest to me....I have to cross the city to get to one...it comes up to just under 20 miles one way. When we go to the movies, we also plan on hitting the malls and other stuff we don't have in our town.

A lot of posters here who live in the big urban areas don't realize what we in "middle America" have to go through to do what they take for granted.

A poster here at the Hype was complaining the other day...he said his town was too small for him to find a girlfriend...he was saying he was going to have to move to a big city to be able to get into a decent relationship. I live in a city of about 2,000 and my wife came from a town of about 300...so I was starting to sympathize with him....UNTIL HE TOLD ME HIS CITY HAD A POPULATION OF 100,000.

[DavidTyler]

If Singer goes w/Zod in the sequel, it will just be further proof of his lack of initiative with this character. Superman has a rich history of interesting adversaries. All one has to do is crack open some comix. Of course, Singer has no clue ... even forgetting the name of Superman's birth mother at a convention.

We really need someone to watch over this director and get people on board who aren't limited to the Donner films.

[Eros]

well not all of superman villians can translate well to the big screen, most of them are highly upsurd. Can't do mongul or Darksied [whos not a superman Rogue buy the way] because they don't have the budget and dam sure don't have the time to explain these villians to the audience. Can't do Doomsday, as Doomsday is just one big plot device and a very uninteresting character. Mxy might make this movie come off as "campy" to most people. Parasite can't could be good, but he might owrk as a secondary Villian. Mettalo is a possibiliy, but superman is just so powerful, you need to make a rational explanation for why superman would have trouble with him. Brainiac could work, but it all depends on which version of the character you use.

Thats always been the problem with supermans rogue gallery, most of them save for Brainiac and Lex, are highly uninteresting and are simply punching bags for superman.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

As of now I'm not interested at all in seeing a sequel to this movie especially if it's with Zod.

[Jasomius]

If Singer goes w/Zod in the sequel, it will just be further proof of his lack of initiative with this character. Further proof? I didn't know there was proof to begin with. Show me proof. Superman has a rich history of interesting adversaries. All one has to do is crack open some comix.How do you know they haven't read some? Of course, Singer has no clue ... even forgetting the name of Superman's birth mother at a convention.Actually, Singer got Jor-El and Kal-El mixed up. And that's no surprise, considering he is a horrible public speaker.

We really need someone to watch over this director and get people on board who aren't limited to the Donner films.He isn't limited to the Donner films. That's all in your head.

[GreenKToo]

I hope this is not true....Zod???...ugh
http://www.moviehole.net/news/20061027_gossip_monkey_271006.html

[Super Kal]

that's a bunch of BS... the movie hasn't even been greenlighted yet, and I highly doubt a script has been formed yet.

[GreenKToo]

I sooo hope your right...It seems strange though,it leaking the same day as the official announcement..that's a bunch of BS... the movie hasn't even been greenlighted yet, and I highly doubt a script has been formed yet.

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Darkred! :)

No matter who the villain, i think we will all go to see it anyway.

The question is not 'will we see it', but 'will we pay to see it' if it has Zod. :cwink:

I think they should leave Zod for now.
How about a reinvented Bizzarro. I think this villain, if done right would make a stunning foe.

Bizarro, is nothing more than a thug. I think basing a movie around him is a bad idea.

Also its basically Superman vs. Superman...and to an extent we already saw that in Superman III (and IV).

You need someone smart, but you also need someone for Superman to throw down with and showcase the powers.

Personally, I would have had:

Superman Returns - Lex Luthor and Metallo (Luthor uses the tech from the fortress to create Metallo). Each time Superman encounters Metallo he is bigger (until at the climax of the movie he is 60 storeys tall).

Superman: Man of Steel - Lex Luthor and Brainiac (Luthor has been integrating the tech into Lexcorp but is unaware that its sentient). The name man of steel would be a double entendre, since we would use the robot version of Brainiac. The climax of the movie has Superman fighting his way through thousands of Brainiac robots.

Superman: Doomsday - Lexiac and Doomsday (Lex gets 'possessed' by the Brainiac intelligence). Doomsday's prison ship crashlands on Earth. I thought an interesting idea might be to see a mental duel between Lex and Brainiac (as per the Clark Kent vs. Superman battle in Superman III) to become the dominant psyche of Lexiac. We get to see the big Superman vs. Doomsday fight, with Superman's funeral at the end.

Superman: Apocalypse - Superman 'wakes' to find himself in 'Hell'...actually Apokalips. Back on Earth, Lex becomes president (he helped thwart the Brainiac virus after all). Also we see the emergence of Cyborg. We get to see Superman vs. Kalibak, as well as our first Superman vs. Darkseid battle, Superman gets a motherbox at the end and is able to return to Earth.

Superman: Identity Crisis - Superman returns to Earth to find the world beset by super clones (Cyborg, Bizarro etc.) who he must deal with. We also get to see Gog, who is travelling through dimensions killing Superman in every reality. The climax is Gog versus Superman.

and finally...

Superman: Hunter/Prey - Slightly different from the comics. Apokalips invades Earth. We get to see Superman vs. Validus (who Darkseid created to destroy Superman) as well as the rematch between Superman and Darkseid. Lex frees Doomsday to help take on Darkseid's forces. Darkseid has just about defeated Superman when Doomsday shows up. Doomsday and Superman together defeat Darkseid. Then we get a Doomsday vs. Superman rematch. Superman takes him out of Metropolis to avoid more collateral damage, taking the fight to the midwest. Lex deploys nukes to eliminate them both, but it doesn't kill them. Though it does kill the parents of the kid who would eventually become Gog. Superman has to use the motherbox to transport Doomsday to the end of time.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Truth be told, I don't know if I will see SR2 regardless of villian.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I actually expect him to use Zod as the villain for the next movie.

[newmexneon]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO ZOD PLEASE.

Singer needs to do something new with this franchise or it will die and fall off the face of the earth.

[GreenKToo]

I agree,I would prefer no Zod..we'll see though.

[Jasomius]

I actually expect him to use Zod as the villain for the next movie.Why do you expect him to?

Dougherty and Harris both said they are not using him.

There has been nothing Singer has done that indicates he will use Zod in the next movie.

[Super Kal]

well, he's so friggin obsessed with the Donnerverse, I wouldn't be surprised if he does use him...

[Jasomius]

well, he's so friggin obsessed with the Donnerverse, I wouldn't be surprised if he does use him...Is he obsessed with the Donnerverse though?

Yes, he likes the Donner interpretation of Superman and that's the version he is continuing, but how does that mean he is obsessed?

The way I saw SR was Singer's attempt at bridging a gap from the Donnerverse to a brand new franchise, and it looks like WB sees it that way as well.

If Singer had just made a movie that brought nothing new to the table and was just aping Donner then i'd agree with you. But he didn't keep things the same. He made his own Metropolis, his own suit, introduced Richard White, gave Superman a son, brought in a larger sci-fi element to Lex Luthor and the franchise itself..

The people who see Singer as ripping off Donner have twisted it to look that way in their minds. There is no precedent for their belief.

[markaudette]

Seeing Zod in the sequel is just too much in-breeding.

The franchise has to grow in another direction. Has to set up a future away from what has been done in the Superman films of the past.

[Super Kal]

it's soooo obvious... there's so much in SR that is a blatant ripoff of STM, it's almost impossible to miss.

there is no Sci-Fi element in SR... I would agree with you on that if they had left the RTK scene in the movie, but everything is supposedly based in the real world in SR, so saying it's sfi-fi is a bunch of bull.

[dark_b]

Is he obsessed with the Donnerverse though?

Yes, he likes the Donner interpretation of Superman and that's the version he is continuing, but how does that mean he is obsessed?

The way I saw SR was Singer's attempt at bridging a gap from the Donnerverse to a brand new franchise, and it looks like WB sees it that way as well.

If Singer had just made a movie that brought nothing new to the table and was just aping Donner then i'd agree with you. But he didn't keep things the same. He made his own Metropolis, his own suit, introduced Richard White, gave Superman a son, brought in a larger sci-fi element to Lex Luthor and the franchise itself..

The people who see Singer as ripping off Donner have twisted it to look that way in their minds. There is no precedent for their belief.first watch S:TM again. then you will see why he is obssesed.


they said that they will nto use zod? ohh well good. thank god that they never said that the kid is not sueprmans :whatever:

[Jasomius]

first watch S:TM again. then you will see why he is obssesed.I have watched S:tM, and I realise it has similarities, and it seems like i'm the only one who knows what Singer is doing here.

The similarities aren't there because of an OBSESSION, they are there because it is to emphasise the concept of returning, to be reintroduced. It's like an origin.. again.

But the major differences and development in the story, namely Superman having a son, are an obvious attempt at distancing himself from the Donner movies. This is his way of showing 'i'm taking the franchise in a different direction'.


they said that they will nto use zod? ohh well good. thank god that they never said that the kid is not sueprmans :whatever:Revealing a major plot point is way different than saying who the villain will be in the next film. I thought you had more intelligence than THAT.

[Jasomius]

it's soooo obvious... there's so much in SR that is a blatant ripoff of STM, it's almost impossible to miss.It's not a ripoff. You just want it to be.

there is no Sci-Fi element in SR... I would agree with you on that if they had left the RTK scene in the movie, but everything is supposedly based in the real world in SR, so saying it's sfi-fi is a bunch of bull.Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that growing a land mass from crystal isn't sci-fi?

[dark_b]

I have watched S:tM, and I realise it has similarities, and it seems like i'm the only one who knows what Singer is doing here.

The similarities aren't there because of an OBSESSION, they are there because it is to emphasise the concept of returning, to be reintroduced. It's like an origin.. again.

But the major differences and development in the story, namely Superman having a son, are an obvious attempt at distancing himself from the Donner movies. This is his way of showing 'i'm taking the franchise in a different direction'.


Revealing a major plot point is way different than saying who the villain will be in the next film. I thought you had more intelligence than THAT.:woot::cwink:

[Upper_Krust]

Hi there! :)

Why do you expect him to?

Dougherty and Harris both said they are not using him.

There has been nothing Singer has done that indicates he will use Zod in the next movie.

Except for the fact that Bryan Singer actually wanted Zod to be played by Jude Law in Superman Returns, but couldn't get the star to sign because of previous work commitments. So he decided not to have Zod appear in the first movie.

Hence the people who don't want to see Zod are a tad nervous.

I'd take bets Dougherty couldn't tell his Harris from his elbow. It was probably one of those two goofers who mentioned that the villain for the next movie was going to be Jor-el in the recent press release.

[Super Kal]

It's not a ripoff. You just want it to be.
there are so many rip-offs, it's ridiculous...

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that growing a land mass from crystal isn't sci-fi?
in Singer's little universe... not entirely. Obviously space travel in Singer's universe is still considered too sci-fi seeing that it's traveling in a crystalline ship, but that ddin't stop him from sutting it from the movie...

[Showtime]

There is no script and no budget, only an outline by Singer which he pitched at the original meeting.

[Super Kal]

do we know what he said in that meeting?... I sure would like to know.

[Showtime]

No idea, but he outlined the trilogy or at least the first two.

[Super Kal]

well, that's good to know...

[Showtime]

It's standard procedure for these types of movies, I think it was even in several interviews.

[Jasomius]

Hi there! :)

Except for the fact that Bryan Singer actually wanted Zod to be played by Jude Law in Superman Returns, but couldn't get the star to sign because of previous work commitments. So he decided not to have Zod appear in the first movie.I don't see any evidence for this. It was a peice of trivia posted on IMDB with nothing to back it up.

And even if that WAS true, Singer is not the sort of person who would shoehorn Zod into a sequel just because he couldn't be in the first. So I doubt he would use Zod in the second.

I'd take bets Dougherty couldn't tell his Harris from his elbow. It was probably one of those two goofers who mentioned that the villain for the next movie was going to be Jor-el in the recent press release.So? They still both said they won't use Zod. Singer most likely influenced that decision.

[thatsabadoutfit]

LOL at this thread. Whether they have Zod or not, if youre a poster in this thread, youre goin to see the movie. You know it.

[Super Kal]

uh, if they do, I will not see it in the theater or rent it.... you can take my word for it.

[thatsabadoutfit]

uh, if they do, I will not see it in the theater or rent it.... you can take my word for it.

Youll see it and you know it. Your protest will last a whole couple onf minutes until you give in and buy 5 tickets.

No need to lie.

That was just like me saying if Bush won the last election, I would move to Canada. Im still in the U.S.

[Super Kal]

wanna make a bet on that?

[MJB]

Please god don't let Singer and company rehash anything else from the old films. Enough about Zod, he's been used enough already in damn Smallville. Move on to Brainiac or Darkseid

[MJB]

Singer did say he wants to get to the action and sci-fi in the sequel. So i guess Brainiac will more then likly be used.

[Jasomius]

there are so many rip-offs, it's ridiculous...There are no rip-offs. It's only a rip-off if he takes credit for it. Any similarities from the first films are obvious references to the first film.


in Singer's little universe... not entirely. Obviously space travel in Singer's universe is still considered too sci-fi seeing that it's traveling in a crystalline ship, but that ddin't stop him from sutting it from the movie...I don't even know what you are trying to argue. The concept of an island growing from crystal is sci-fi/fantasy whether you like it or not, and Singer cutting the spaceship scene had nothing to do with being too Sci-fi.

In fact, Singer said he will be going more sci-fi in the next one.

[dark_b]

There are no rip-offs. It's only a rip-off if he takes credit for it. Any similarities from the first films are obvious references to the first film.


I don't even know what you are trying to argue. The concept of an island growing from crystal is sci-fi/fantasy whether you like it or not, and Singer cutting the spaceship scene had nothing to do with being too Sci-fi.

In fact, Singer said he will be going more sci-fi in the next one.wait a minute. didnt they said that this was also one of the reasons why it was cut?

[DavidTyler]

Further proof? I didn't know there was proof to begin with. Show me proof. How do you know they haven't read some? Actually, Singer got Jor-El and Kal-El mixed up. And that's no surprise, considering he is a horrible public speaker.

He isn't limited to the Donner films. That's all in your head.

No, he got Lara's name wrong.

And you're right ... he isn't limited to the Donner. He's limited to the Donner film, a few scarce episodes of the George Reeve's series, and some of the Fliescher cartoons.

And now his own movie.

He stated early on before this movie hit theaters that he didn't read comix.

and as to a lack of initiative... SR isn't a rewrite of S:TMP mixed with a little soap opera?

[toddly6666]

UPPER-KRUST,

I like your ideas the best for those storylines for 5 or 6 Superman movies. I don't even know the Superman comic stories that well, but the Metallo, Brainiac, Doomsday, Darkseid integrated storylines sound a lot better than a main focus on Lois Lane and Lex Luthor...

I personally think Lois Lane is holding these Superman movies back from going all out and being creative/original/epic. And now we got a freaking love child involved now.

Singer's Superman movies are going to be day-time soap operas with some action. He should have just stick with X-Men. He really seems to understand X-Men more than Superman. Just because a director can do a superhero movie, doesn't mean he can do every type of superhero. I really don't want to see Superman moping around looking sad and stalking Lois and his son in the sequel.

[Jasomius]

No, he got Lara's name wrong.We all make mistakes.
And you're right ... he isn't limited to the Donner. He's limited to the Donner film, a few scarce episodes of the George Reeve's series, and some of the Fliescher cartoons.Singer can draw from any source he wants, WB gives him access. Just because you don't agree with his choices doesn't mean he is limited.
He stated early on before this movie hit theaters that he didn't read comix.He probably doesn't, but he must have read some because so many moments ripped directly from the comics are in the film. In fact he explicitly said he was influenced by Kingdom Come and Superman For All Seasons.

and as to a lack of initiative... SR isn't a rewrite of S:TMP mixed with a little soap opera?No, it isn't. That's your crappy, incorrect summary.

[GreenKToo]

Brainiac,or Darkseid...

[GreenKToo]

an idea I had over a month ago...Brainiac forms from the crysyals on N.K.

brainiac absorbs all the knowledge of the crystals,learns of the 28 known inhabited galaxies,and he learns of eath as well.

brainiac makes contact with lex,and they plan the take over of earth.

Lex informs brainiac of the 3 other kryptonarians that were defeated by superman,and one still lives.

Brainiac places a virus in the computer network,disrupting all life on earth,causing complete chaos

Superman flies non stop around the globe saving planes,ships, people in car crashes, and numerous other emergencies caused by brainiac's virus...

Superman learns the cause of it....Brainiac.

Superman and Brainiac fight,supes loses round one.Metropolis in ruins.

Supes visits a powerless zod in prision,Zod knows kryptonarian tech better than supes,and Superman offers Zod a pardon in exchange for knowledge.

Brainiac learns of jason,kidnappes and experiments on him.

Brainiac learns of Zods betrayal from lex.He kills a powerless zod.

Supes defeats Brainiac in round 2,using the knowledge Zod gave him, supes then flings the remains into space.....Superman finds jason in brainiac's lair,comatose,mutated,and full grown.

Superman blames himself for jason's condition.

Lex Luthor sits at his computer console,turns it on,and a Brainiac symbol appears.Lex smiles

Far out into space,Brainiac's remains drift,tumbling end over end....a probe appears,analyzes it,and brings the remains inside...The drone downloads whats left of brainiac's memory,Images appear of krypton,other planets,earth,and superman..The drone signals it's master, a screen flickers,and comes to life, an image appears....Darkseid.

[Upper_Krust]

UPPER-KRUST,

Hey toddly6666! :)

I like your ideas the best for those storylines for 5 or 6 Superman movies. I don't even know the Superman comic stories that well, but the Metallo, Brainiac, Doomsday, Darkseid integrated storylines sound a lot better than a main focus on Lois Lane and Lex Luthor...

Thanks! :)

Of course what I offered was the briefest of synopses.

That said, I am a writer by trade, so if Singer wants me to come in and straighten him out (no pun intended) I'll be happy to oblige.

There is just so much potential with a Superman movie that it hurts even more to think of the waste of opportunity that is Superman Returns.

I personally think Lois Lane is holding these Superman movies back from going all out and being creative/original/epic. And now we got a freaking love child involved now.

Well I don't know about her 'holding things back'. I certainly think the writers made her the focus of the movie, probably more than the character warranted. But I suppose that is part and parcel of creating a melodrama.

Singer's Superman movies are going to be day-time soap operas with some action. He should have just stick with X-Men. He really seems to understand X-Men more than Superman. Just because a director can do a superhero movie, doesn't mean he can do every type of superhero. I really don't want to see Superman moping around looking sad and stalking Lois and his son in the sequel.

Well I think Singer was probably just trying to work to his strengths, which are using an ensemble cast, concentrating on character interaction and understating everything (bringing it closer to reality).

Whereas his shortcomings seem to be introducing action elements. I've also never really thought of him as an interesting director - from the perspective of the angles he shoots from, it always seems a bit conventional (although I suppose you could tar many directors with that brush).

So in a way you can see him working to his strengths in SR by introducing Richard, Jason and Kitty (to increase the cast size). Everything is understanted and muted, with a sort of downbeat tone, grounding it better in reality. When Superman lands on New Krypton, instead of any sort of physical interaction he strikes up a conversation with Lex.

The questions you have to ask of course are, should Superman be downbeat? Surely Superman is the antithesis of downbeat. He is the light/optimist, to Batman's darkness/pessimism.

[DavidTyler]

We all make mistakes.
Singer can draw from any source he wants, WB gives him access. Just because you don't agree with his choices doesn't mean he is limited.
He probably doesn't, but he must have read some because so many moments ripped directly from the comics are in the film.



In fact he explicitly said he was influenced by Kingdom Come and Superman For All Seasons.

WOW, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED THOSE MOMENTS?! You mean like when he's flying and having bullets bounce off him? Those truly are moments ripped right out of a comic.

Jas, I've been reading comix probably longer than you've been able to read. Superman in particular. Those moments .. you'll have to point them out to me because I didn't see anything that smacked of Kingdom Come or any one particular story. Of course, I didn't spend more money on it than you did. One viewing was all I could take.

and as to a lack of initiative... SR isn't a rewrite of S:TMP mixed with a little soap opera?No, it isn't. That's your crappy, incorrect summary.

Well, a lot of people here share my 'crappy, incorrect summary'. I guess we're all just seeing things?

[GreenKToo]

I'm just praying we all get what we want for the sequel.A good story with a supervillian(or two)....

[Dark Knight]

Singer needs to bring in another besides Zod.....I will be disappointed big time in him as a filmaker if he goes the Zod route. We need to see Metallo, Braniac, Doomsday and Darkseid....not the freakin Zods and Luthors. I can accept Luthor more as a supporting character in the sequel...but I don't wan to see Zod at all! It should Metallo or Braniac in the next one or even both. Then Doomsday in the 3rd film.

[Jasomius]

WOW, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED THOSE MOMENTS?! You mean like when he's flying and having bullets bounce off him? Those truly are moments ripped right out of a comic.

Jas, I've been reading comix probably longer than you've been able to read. Superman in particular. Those moments .. you'll have to point them out to me because I didn't see anything that smacked of Kingdom Come or any one particular story. Of course, I didn't spend more money on it than you did. One viewing was all I could take.
That part with Superman floating in space? Superman: Secret Identity.
The whole idea and concept of Superman returning? Kingdom Come.
Superman having a son? Son Of Superman.
Superman holding Kitty's car above his head? Action Comics No. 1

I could go on.

The thing about Singer is he won't just translate a comic story to the big screen, he'd prefer to make up his own story and draw influences from the source. Now I know what you are thinking "he copied donner lolz" but Singer's vision for SR was to reintroduce the character of Superman in a plot structure similar to S: tM so he could restart the franchise with a 'second origin', and the result of the second origin is Jason.

Well, a lot of people here share my 'crappy, incorrect summary'. I guess we're all just seeing things?That is actually what I think. Let me tell you about people on the Internet. When they hear something they dislike being described in a way they agree with or makes their opinion look better, they repeat that description as their own. The description is spread until EVERYONE who agrees with that viewpoint has deluded themselves into thinking that is exactly how it has been presented in the film.

MY opinions come from ME. I see what I see in the film and I don't twist scenes in my mind to fit my opinion. I call it like I see it.

[DavidTyler]

That part with Superman floating in space? Superman: Secret Identity.
The whole idea and concept of Superman returning? Kingdom Come.
Superman having a son? Son Of Superman.
Superman holding Kitty's car above his head? Action Comics No. 1

I could go on.

Yeah, you could.... Let's see .. He has a red cape and blue tights. When he's Clark, he puts on glasses. He works at the Daily Planet as a reporter.

Yup.. guess it's right out of the comix.

Honestly.. the cover of Action #1?!!! It's not even worth pointing out that it's not a plot point just a quick visual. Superman floating in space.. .wow.. another plot point. Superman returning? You might have had me with the 'Exile in Space' arc but I could have debated that one, too. Kingdom Come is not about Superman's return. It's the climax of the book but it isn't the theme. And Superman with a son... hmmmm... yeah. It's about the only thing that comes close in your statement ... and it's not like SR gave it any similarity other than - it's Superman's son.

The thing about Singer is he won't just translate a comic story to the big screen, he'd prefer to make up his own story and draw influences from the source. Now I know what you are thinking "he copied donner lolz" but Singer's vision for SR was to reintroduce the character of Superman in a plot structure similar to S: tM so he could restart the franchise with a 'second origin', and the result of the second origin is Jason.

So, you're saying that Singer HAD to copy the plot of S:TM to restart the franchise? That any number of other stories wouldn't have worked?! This is the first time I've heard someone say the lack of originality was necessary. Or did he 'make up his own story'? Can't have it both ways.

That is actually what I think. Let me tell you about people on the Internet. When they hear something they dislike being described in a way they agree with or makes their opinion look better, they repeat that description as their own. The description is spread until EVERYONE who agrees with that viewpoint has deluded themselves into thinking that is exactly how it has been presented in the film.

MY opinions come from ME. I see what I see in the film and I don't twist scenes in my mind to fit my opinion. I call it like I see it.

And you're saying here what? That if people dislike something specific about something and find others who share that opinion of the same something.. that they aren't allowed to say that they dislike the same thing? That they have to find something else to say? And, conversely, if they like something you like .. well, then they have an original opinion.

You call it THE WAY YOU WANT TO SEE IT.

The reality is myopia isn't relegated only to those on the other side.

[Jasomius]

Yeah, you could.... Let's see .. He has a red cape and blue tights. When he's Clark, he puts on glasses. He works at the Daily Planet as a reporter.

Yup.. guess it's right out of the comix.

Honestly.. the cover of Action #1?!!! It's not even worth pointing out that it's not a plot point just a quick visual. Superman floating in space.. .wow.. another plot point. Superman returning? You might have had me with the 'Exile in Space' arc but I could have debated that one, too. Kingdom Come is not about Superman's return. It's the climax of the book but it isn't the theme. And Superman with a son... hmmmm... yeah. It's about the only thing that comes close in your statement ... and it's not like SR gave it any similarity other than - it's Superman's son. You see this is where I think you only see what you want to see. You missed the part where I said Singer prefers to make his own story, using small plot points from the source material. Son of Superman shares another similarity with SR, Superman has been missing for years and then comes back. Also, Lex is taking advantage of Kryptonian powers.

He also uses visuals, too. Why would Singer using Visuals be different from plot points? You said Singer didn't read the comics. Well, Singer has to have actually come across some to use those visuals.

So, you're saying that Singer HAD to copy the plot of S:TM to restart the franchise? That any number of other stories wouldn't have worked?! This is the first time I've heard someone say the lack of originality was necessary. Or did he 'make up his own story'? Can't have it both ways.I didn't say anything about Singer having to go this route, or that he couldn't have used another story. It was his choice to use S: tM as an influence.

And you're saying here what? That if people dislike something specific about something and find others who share that opinion of the same something.. that they aren't allowed to say that they dislike the same thing? That they have to find something else to say?I'm not telling anybody to do anything. I'm just saying what i'm seeing. And, conversely, if they like something you like .. well, then they have an original opinion.Didn't say that.

You call it THE WAY YOU WANT TO SEE IT.Nope, I don't twist things to suit my view.

The reality is myopia isn't relegated only to those on the other side.Probably not. But the naysayers are the ones doing it the most around here.

[DavidTyler]

........................
Nope, I don't twist things to suit my view.

Probably not. But the naysayers are the ones doing it the most around here.

:whatever:

[November Rain]

I would watch it but i would just be disappointed at how the new films are following the outline of the old ones a little too much.

I wouldn't mind seeing Zod, just not straight away. Routh has youth on his side, he could play this role for a while, I wouldn't mind Zod in the last of the modern renditions of these superman tales though.

[Jasomius]

:whatever:This is called the TRUTH, DavidTyler.

[DavidTyler]

This is called the TRUTH, DavidTyler.

Yeah, uh-huh... :whatever:

[Dark Knight]

it would be so easy to have Lex end up creating Metallo....with technology found or given to him by an artificial intellgience Braniac. However, Braniac would not be revealed until toward the end of the film....to set it up for the 3rd film. Then in the third film.....Braniac would then merge with Lex and they would end up creating Doomsday. Easy.....

[Jasomius]

it would be so easy to have Lex end up creating Metallo....with technology found or given to him by an artificial intellgience Braniac. However, Braniac would not be revealed until toward the end of the film....to set it up for the 3rd film. Then in the third film.....Braniac would then merge with Lex and they would end up creating Doomsday. Easy.....Metallo would be kind of a step down from a giant kryptonite continent IMO. He needs to be a secondary villain for another story.

[Mentok]

I dont want Zod for this film. It all really depends on the story I guess though.

As long as its not the Donner Zod. Something more modern would be alot better.

[Spider-Fan]

No Zod. He has been done. Lets give exposure to some of his other villains, like Brainiac or Bizarro. Even Parastie would be cool. Brainiac is my first choice, but I want to see some new blood in the villain role.

[WhatsHisFace]

I want Braniac, and not Zod, but what can I do if he's the villain? I still need to see it because it's a Superman movie.

[GreenKToo]

maybe we wont have to deal with Zod....(credit to Ita-kalEl from the planet)....It says those worried about Zod have nothing to fear,and its a villian never seen before,and they wanna cast BIG...




http://www.moviehole.net/news/20061106_gossip_monkey_61106.html

[TheScarecrow]

I couldn't see this anywhere...

There’s talk that Katie Holmes won’t be back in the ‘Batman Begins’ sequel. If that’s true, then why – a couple of weeks back – did I see Chris Nolan and Holmes chatting under an umbrellaed-table at Warners? (Oh, and talking of Super projects – For those that think the villain in ‘Superman Returns II’ will be General Zod – think again. Its someone you haven’t seen before – and they wanna cast big!).

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20061106_gossip_monkey_61106.html

Thank god.

[GreenKToo]

I posted it in 2 other threads first,but its cool..I wasnt sure about making a new thread for it.:)

[Jacobhiggins]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Maybe they can replace the director now too?

[Maze]

I couldn't see this anywhere...



http://www.moviehole.net/news/20061106_gossip_monkey_61106.html

Thank god.
Interresting.. :yay:

[GreenKToo]

Its gotta be Brainiac or Darkseid.I say Brainiac,but either one will be awesome.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Let's go with Brainiac. Darkseid is a bad ass, but there's a lot of set up with his character. You would have to explain the creation of Apokolips and New Genesis, the New Gods, yada yada yada. Just a little much. Maybe sometime in the future, but not this film.

[Lighthouse]

Well, that makes me feel a little better....if its true. Moviehole isn't the most reliable, but heres hoping.

[GreenKToo]

I got my fingers crossed,toes too...Well, that makes me feel a little better....if its true. Moviehole isn't the most reliable, but heres hoping.

[Motown Marvel]

so...first movie hole says IT IS zod....now they're saying it ISNT zod.....uhhhh.....

[Showtime]

Moviehole is about reliable as blind seeing eye dog.

[dark_b]

ok lets say this is true. what the hell they want to cast big? why? why spend again so much money like on spacey?

[NewYorkSpider]

ok lets say this is true. what the hell they want to cast big? why? why spend again so much money like on spacey?

Agreed! The movie didn't make as much money as anticipated. Singer said he wants more action in this one. Braniac? Darkseid?

[Superman Pwnage]

Brainiac could be essentially as Action-based as Agent Smith in the matrix, so I could see them do wicked stuff with him.

I want them to use Doomsday so badly as the film's action villian with Brainiac as intelligent villian.

Save Darkseid for no.3

[Yellow Cyclone]

darkseid is at least a 2 picture villain...now if they could somehow setup apocalypse and new genesis in this one, i'll be stunned, so i doubt it'll happen

but if we get brainiac, who/how will it be? unstoppable Hal 9000-esque killing machine? or crazy green skinned scientist? or some hyrbid of NK crystals becoming sentinent?

or maybe we're thinking wrong and it's metallo

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I really hope that they go with the robot-type Brainiac, he would be visually stunning and a great character IMO. And, i'm robbing this casting suggestion of someone else (whose name i cant remember) but Hugo Weaving would be amazing as Brainiac.

[what?]

You're giving Singer far too much credit by listing these villians and actors on here. These are inspired and Singer can only imitate and that quite poorly.

[KaptainKrypton]

If the report is right and they are going to "cast big" then you can bet on Brainiac being the villain the next time around. He'll probably be a humanoid looking thing, but the actor is what'll make or break him, so you'd better believe they'll be trying to nab someone with some chops. I constantly hear Hugo Weaving, which would be a good choice. I personally would choose Ralph Fiennes. If they're clowning and talking literally in regards to the "big" casting comment, then maybe Singer and Co. are searching for someone to play the Lord of Apokolips. Either way, I'm so pumped I almost kicked my mom in the face.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You're giving Singer far too much credit by listing these villians and actors on here. These are inspired and Singer can only imitate and that quite poorly.

I thought SR had a great cast, and Singer cast the X-Men movies superbly as well.

[KaptainKrypton]

You're giving Singer far too much credit by listing these villians and actors on here. These are inspired and Singer can only imitate and that quite poorly.
Actually, any comic movie is an adaption, so every director rips off someone. Namely the books.

[superdupersuper]

i think he should put in brainiac in humaniod form with the green skin,

and have supes and braniac slug it out on the sreets of metropolis,

it would absolutely smash every other movie to pieces including spiderman.

imagine super punches flying about, superman being punched into walls and brainiac being thrown around, it would be awesome!!

honestly, i think singer is going to be motivated now to prove people wrong and bring to the table the most epic sci fi, let alone comic book movie to the screen

you can damn well bet he's going to go wrath of khan,

its gonna be bloody spectacular!

i mean, the star trek movies were incredible sci fi, so anything in that vain is going to make everyones balls drop!

i cant wait!

[echostation]

No Hugo Weaving no NOTHING related to the Matrix... the LAST damn thing they need is to have their super brawl look anything like the crap that was Revolutions

[Compi716]

Thank God. I couldn't handle Zod again.

[bunk]

Its too early to know, this means nothing to me.

[Morg]

*walks in* *thunk!*

I hate trolls

[Maze]

Its too early to know, this means nothing to me.

Yup ,

untill proven otherwise, it should be treated as a rumor , nothing more.

[Maze]

*walks in* *thunk!*

I hate trolls

We have something in common.

Thanks Morg.

[GreenKToo]

I know it says "they wanna cast big",but what if by that they mean big as in body size,someone say, like MCD....just a thought.ok lets say this is true. what the hell they want to cast big? why? why spend again so much money like on spacey?

[Kal-El 8]

I couldn't see this anywhere...



http://www.moviehole.net/news/20061106_gossip_monkey_61106.html

Thank god.

YES NO ZOD, BRING ON BRAINIAC !!!!!!!!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know it says "they wanna cast big",but what if by that they mean big as in body size,someone say, like MCD....just a thought.

No i think they meant big as in a big name to draw more crowds in.

[ultimatefan]

Interesting blurb, if it won´t be Zod and thre are gonna be fights, it suggests villains who can take Supes physically, like Doomsday or even Bizarro.

[GreenKToo]

haha,we would all fall out if it had 2 or 3 supervillians in it,AND a good story.I know singer wont do that, but still...Interesting blurb, if it won´t be Zod and thre are gonna be fights, it suggests villains who can take Supes physically, like Doomsday or even Bizarro.

[Superfreak]

Yup ,

untill proven otherwise, it should be treated as a rumor , nothing more.

seriously, script first, then villain rumors

[GreenKToo]

Nothing wrong with having a little speculative fun..its gonna be a long road ahead and alot more rumors, before all is said and done..:)

[Octoberist]

it's funny. yeah, script first then vilain rumors.
BUT..

I'm sure Singer and WB had discussions on who to have. I still don't believe that Singer would actually not think about the sequel, when he had a fairly big setup in 'Returns'.

But i'm sure what we'll be seeing won't be 'Singer's original' take on the sequel, that's for sure.

[COMPO]

if they do have Darksied i think they should sort take the plot from Justice League Heroes. Not all of it. Just the bit with the mother box and turning the world into his second kingdom and sending leaving Superman near dead somewhere.

[DavidTyler]

Hey, I've got it!!! He could do Zod in the first sequel. Then, in the next, he could get Chris Rock and do the supercomputer story. After that the sky's the limit ... well, the moon anyway .. it's where he has to fight the latest version of the nuclear man.

[bosef982]

if they do have Darksied i think they should sort take the plot from Justice League Heroes. Not all of it. Just the bit with the mother box and turning the world into his second kingdom and sending leaving Superman near dead somewhere.


That just sounds so silly and childish. If Darkseid is to be come in, he'll be drastically changed to make him fit in with the world that Singer has created. Honestly, I think Brainiac is the most natural choice, since he'll have Kryptonian roots, as would the Eradicator.

[GreenKToo]

^ either one and i'm happy..

[explode7]

This is the best new I've heard about a superman movie ever.

[Eros]

so assume if the rumour is true, that singer is creating brand new villain for the sequel.

[Super Kal]

or one that hasn't been used yet...

[GreenKToo]

:up:or one that hasn't been used yet...

[Showtime]

Yeah I got a better idea! Why don't we make Jimmy with slick hair and a skirt chaser, its really important to the storyline!

[Mentok]

I doubt its Darkseid as the main bad guy. He needs atleast one pic to work up to him.

Brainiac would be cool but I kinda have my heart set on a really kick ass version of Corbin/Metallo for S2.

[Lighthouse]

That just sounds so silly and childish. If Darkseid is to be come in, he'll be drastically changed to make him fit in with the world that Singer has created. Honestly, I think Brainiac is the most natural choice, since he'll have Kryptonian roots, as would the Eradicator.
BTW, its a little off topic but what is the difference between Brainiac and the Eradicator now? Aren't they pretty much the same kind of character?

[Andy C.]

I could argue all the details about the extent of Brainiac's powers and all the stuff about Vril Dox and Milton Fine, but at the end of the day, yeah, Brainiac and Eradicator both fit the 'evil robot' genre of villain. Kinda like how Mongul and Darkseid both fit the 'alien warlord' genre. One's definitely a bigger threat than the other, but they're pretty much the same sort of thing.

(It also doesn't help that they gave Brainiac the bulk of Eradicator's origin story in the STAS and Smallville, which are the most recognizable version of the character.)

[Retroman]

I really dislike the idea of revisting Zod yet again because i think its time for a fresh new villain we haven't been able to see in the films so far. So i'm therefore happy with this 'news'. I say 'news' because not so long ago Moviehole were the ones who claimed Zod was a lock for SR2.:rolleyes:

[Retroman]

Don't want to cause a Smallville debate but from what i understand the creative team behind the show have go to WB and the SR team if they want to use a new character. Which characters were they denied use of besides Bruce Wayne?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That just sounds so silly and childish. If Darkseid is to be come in, he'll be drastically changed to make him fit in with the world that Singer has created. Honestly, I think Brainiac is the most natural choice, since he'll have Kryptonian roots, as would the Eradicator.

Yeah i agree with this, Brainiac seems to be the most logical choice.

[Nibune]

Braniac may be the logical choice had Singer expanded the opening sequence which i thought was a mistake.
With Singer's X-Men he put a small hint about phoenix in 1st no one really picked up on until the 2nd, i kind of looked for that connection with his Superman. I was hoping to see a object attach to his ship on his way back to earth, and slowly premise the next villian as the brainiac remnant. Brainiac at this point would come from outta nowhere (in a bad way)

Thinking originality though Doomsday comes to mind, but the story thus far about Superman doesnt really justify it, i feel same goes with Darkseid.

Now the villian know one seems to be mentioning but would prove as a great counter to Superman and Kryptonian lure is...

Bizzarro

Call it a failed cloning experiment, or something
Basically as someone was saying use fire against fire trying to stay clear of kryptonite use, and Singer could go with a really dark version of Bizzarro to show what might happen if superman wasnt a good guy, how would he use his powers if he was evil?

[WhatsHisFace]

That's good news. Brainiac is indeed the best option for a sequel villain, since Supes went back to Krypton's remains, and if Braniac was there, he could have latched onto the ship...

[GreenKToo]

^ we cant ignore the crystals on N.K...

[bosef982]

Braniac may be the logical choice had Singer expanded the opening sequence which i thought was a mistake.
With Singer's X-Men he put a small hint about phoenix in 1st no one really picked up on until the 2nd, i kind of looked for that connection with his Superman. I was hoping to see a object attach to his ship on his way back to earth, and slowly premise the next villian as the brainiac remnant. Brainiac at this point would come from outta nowhere (in a bad way)

Thinking originality though Doomsday comes to mind, but the story thus far about Superman doesnt really justify it, i feel same goes with Darkseid.

Now the villian know one seems to be mentioning but would prove as a great counter to Superman and Kryptonian lure is...

Bizzarro

Call it a failed cloning experiment, or something
Basically as someone was saying use fire against fire trying to stay clear of kryptonite use, and Singer could go with a really dark version of Bizzarro to show what might happen if superman wasnt a good guy, how would he use his powers if he was evil?

This isn't a bad idea at all. You have to think of Doughtery, Harris, and Singer and want Singer did conceptually with X2. He brought back in an old villian with Magneto (in this case Lex Luthor). He introduced a new baddie with William Stryker (i.e. Brainiac) who had a kick-ass side-villian with Lady Deathstryke (Doomsday or Bizzaro) and used another villian, altered severly however, to implement his plan with Jason a.k.a. Mastermind (i.e. The Eradicator). I think we could see a similar set up.

However, I'm still going with the overall presumption that Superman is going to die in SRII.

[dar-El]

Is he obsessed with the Donnerverse though?

Yes, he likes the Donner interpretation of Superman and that's the version he is continuing, but how does that mean he is obsessed?

The way I saw SR was Singer's attempt at bridging a gap from the Donnerverse to a brand new franchise, and it looks like WB sees it that way as well.

If Singer had just made a movie that brought nothing new to the table and was just aping Donner then i'd agree with you. But he didn't keep things the same. He made his own Metropolis, his own suit, introduced Richard White, gave Superman a son, brought in a larger sci-fi element to Lex Luthor and the franchise itself..

The people who see Singer as ripping off Donner have twisted it to look that way in their minds. There is no precedent for their belief.

The only thing singer did was make it a return story instead of an arrival story and then added a kid who should not exist. If singer had seen donners2 with Brando as Jor-El he would realise there would be no way Kal-El could believe Krypton still existed and he sure as hell wouldnt leave after Zod and co showed up.. As for twisted i advise you examine the plotlines of both STM and SR carefully THEY ARE ALMOST EXACTY THE SAME. From Krypton (which we was cut from returns) to smallville, to metropolis, the helicopter rescue (a plane in returns) Lois fainting (twice oh really original) Lois and Superman meeting on the rooftop of the Dily Planet (her arpartment in the STM) Flying round the city, Lex stealing Kryptonite (although it was only mentioned in STM) his pathetic plan involving land (Both films) Superman confronting him and being stabbed by Kryptonite (had it wrapped round his neck in STM) falling into water and being saved from drowning by a waman (mrs tesmacher in STM Lois in SR) then going off to save the day by throwing an object into space (a nuclear missile and new krypton) then either being to late to save Lois from death or he himself nearly dying in hospital. ITS A TOTAL RIP OFF OF STM! Guess the reason we wont see Zod in SR2 is cos Singer doesnt want to be exposed and a rip off artist.

[bosef982]

^ we cant ignore the crystals on N.K...

I think having the crystals mutate into something otherwordly, or gaining the attention of something otherwordly, is what will happen. This is what I see...

We are in space, panning along and we see the Sun, beautiful. Then, it's eclipsed by something, something that is dark, jagged, and looks like gigantic asteroid. However, as it passes the sun we see its a shimmering asteroid, a jagged, spiked asteroid of interlocking crystals, gleaming -- not the ugly New Krypton that was growing on Earth. We push through the crystals, dizzying as they may be, reflections back and forth, and come to a crystalline womb structure inside of which spills out, like a baby from a womb, nasty liquid following, a fully grown figure, faceless, yet humanoid.

This is Brainiac.

[GreenKToo]

that would work..:up:

[newmexneon]

Thank GOD!!!!

[X-Maniac]

This isn't a bad idea at all. You have to think of Doughtery, Harris, and Singer and want Singer did conceptually with X2. He brought back in an old villian with Magneto (in this case Lex Luthor). He introduced a new baddie with William Stryker (i.e. Brainiac) who had a kick-ass side-villian with Lady Deathstryke (Doomsday or Bizzaro) and used another villian, altered severly however, to implement his plan with Jason a.k.a. Mastermind (i.e. The Eradicator). I think we could see a similar set up.

However, I'm still going with the overall presumption that Superman is going to die in SRII.

Hmmm...

Well, X2 was essentially 'X1-PLUS', an enhanced version of the first movie:
Mutant captured by baddie for use in 'death machine', Wolverine gets hints of the past, Jean's transformation/evolution foreshadowed... Both movies contain these ideas...

I think Singer works well with ensemble movies (ie more characters than in SR), though some characters do tend to suffer (Storm, Cyclops and others) as a result.

Multiple villains might work well, or the audience might feel it's too much, too suddenly.

If these villains were made to be The Authority or The Elite as mentioned in another post, that might work.

[X-Maniac]

I think having the crystals mutate into something otherwordly, or gaining the attention of something otherwordly, is what will happen. This is what I see...

We are in space, panning along and we see the Sun, beautiful. Then, it's eclipsed by something, something that is dark, jagged, and looks like gigantic asteroid. However, as it passes the sun we see its a shimmering asteroid, a jagged, spiked asteroid of interlocking crystals, gleaming -- not the ugly New Krypton that was growing on Earth. We push through the crystals, dizzying as they may be, reflections back and forth, and come to a crystalline womb structure inside of which spills out, like a baby from a womb, nasty liquid following, a fully grown figure, faceless, yet humanoid.

This is Brainiac.

I feel unsure about this. Liquid forming into Brainiac has been seen in Smallville. And why would the New Krypton asteroid suddenly be so shimmering? Because the crystals thrown on to it have grown into it?

[bosef982]

I feel unsure about this. Liquid forming into Brainiac has been seen in Smallville. And why would the New Krypton asteroid suddenly be so shimmering? Because the crystals thrown on to it have grown into it?


Yeah, and I wasn't saying Brainiac is liquid himself. Here, I'll script it:

EXT. SPACE

Blackness warming around the blazing SUN far over and away from Earth. Moving over Earth, the sun comes closer until

A LARGE ASTEROID passes it, black and jagged. It rumbles past, its surface coming into view. It's like a diamond, but shattered, cancerous even, a tumor of interlocking shimmering crystals that is the final product of New Krypton.

INT. NEW KRYPTON ASTEROID - CONTINUOUS

Pushing through, the crystal refract themselves, creating a dizzying kaliedoscope of blackness, sunlight, and lime luminesence. It's beautiful, while being eerie -- like the inside of a body, pulsating and surging with energy. The crystals break into a ventricle, a cavern where a few crystals twist out to connect with a crystalline POD, womb-shaped, which glows ginger.

A shadow lurks inside, twisting. Suddenly, the crystals begin shimmering, energy coursing through their clear surfaces. The crystalline WOMB CRACKS, viscous fluid pouring out as its splits into two halves.

A nude body slides out with the fluid and hits the botttom of the cavern, motionless. After a moment, it shifts, the slime dripping off its chalky lime skin. It stumbles up, hands outstretched, feeling around. It turns and we see it has no face, no mouth, nose, ears, or eyes -- an unfinished embroyo. It's barely humanoid.

As if respond to its confusion, the crystals begin glowing, spiralling lights as the pod the figure poured from is absorbed into the crystal cavern. A crescent of crystals rise around the figure, whose fingers -- webbed -- feel out and make contact, instantly recognizing the sharp tips of Kryptonian memory crystals.

It takes one and raises it before its chest. Then, as if to stab itself, it pushes the crystal into its chest, where it is absorbed by the chalky skin there, veins glowing outward from the penetration.

The featureless head leans back, two slits peeling open for its eyes, no pupils -- just glowing gold. A mouth forms, thin and straight. Brainiac.

[markaudette]

markaudette crosses everything that can be crossed and bring him good luck in the hopes that the new bad guy is Darkseid.

I think Bryan would have done a masterful job with Zod, no doubt. It's just that the franchise simply has to go in some other direction.

Darkseid is the way to go.

I had this story in mind that also sets up a Doomsday storyline. As far as a movie would go, it is a Kryptonian weapon sent to Apokolips to be kept hidden while in near-death hibernation or suspended animation. Someone is paid to break the behemoth out (Lobo?) and chaos ensues. Only that now that Bryan has played the "Death of Superman" card in SR, Superman isn't killed.

Just a thought...

[X-Maniac]

Yeah, and I wasn't saying Brainiac is liquid himself. Here, I'll script it:

EXT. SPACE

Blackness warming around the blazing SUN far over and away from Earth. Moving over Earth, the sun comes closer until

A LARGE ASTEROID passes it, black and jagged. It rumbles past, its surface coming into view. It's like a diamond, but shattered, cancerous even, a tumor of interlocking shimmering crystals that is the final product of New Krypton.

INT. NEW KRYPTON ASTEROID - CONTINUOUS

Pushing through, the crystal refract themselves, creating a dizzying kaliedoscope of blackness, sunlight, and lime luminesence. It's beautiful, while being eerie -- like the inside of a body, pulsating and surging with energy. The crystals break into a ventricle, a cavern where a few crystals twist out to connect with a crystalline POD, womb-shaped, which glows ginger.

A shadow lurks inside, twisting. Suddenly, the crystals begin shimmering, energy coursing through their clear surfaces. The crystalline WOMB CRACKS, viscous fluid pouring out as its splits into two halves.

A nude body slides out with the fluid and hits the botttom of the cavern, motionless. After a moment, it shifts, the slime dripping off its chalky lime skin. It stumbles up, hands outstretched, feeling around. It turns and we see it has no face, no mouth, nose, ears, or eyes -- an unfinished embroyo. It's barely humanoid.

As if respond to its confusion, the crystals begin glowing, spiralling lights as the pod the figure poured from is absorbed into the crystal cavern. A crescent of crystals rise around the figure, whose fingers -- webbed -- feel out and make contact, instantly recognizing the sharp tips of Kryptonian memory crystals.

It takes one and raises it before its chest. Then, as if to stab itself, it pushes the crystal into its chest, where it is absorbed by the chalky skin there, veins glowing outward from the penetration.

The featureless head leans back, two slits peeling open for its eyes, no pupils -- just glowing gold. A mouth forms, thin and straight. Brainiac.

Well, it's descriptive... Not sure about the webbed fingers though...

Let's look at the information for a second.

It's pretty obvious to anyone who saw New Krypton thrown into space that Singer was setting up for it to smash into the Phantom Zone and free Zod, as something similar happened in Superman 2. Zod would then have access to the Kryptonian crystals on the landmass. However, it's been made very clear (and rightly so) that Zod would be one rehash too far. SR is already too derivative of the previous Donner movies without serving us another plate of Zod. Plus, if SR loosely follows Superman 2, Zod is depowered and either in a glacial crevasse beneath the fortress or (in the different TV version) hauled off to jail. Not good. And everyone's said so. Not so much Wrath of Khan as a fanboys' 'Wrath of Can't!'. Thus, goodbye Zod.

So, New Krypton must serve another purpose. And the audience must be reminded that the other crystals are (or were) on its surface. Most of them won't remember that by the time the next movie comes out.

Your suggestion of Brainiac somehow gestating inside the landmass of New Krypton is interesting. It asks further questions...

We have to establish what Brainiac will be in the movie. In Smallville, Brainaic stands for Brain-Inter-Active-Construct, an artificial intelligence developed by Kryptonians. Will he be a living being, an artificial being, a cyborg, an energy construct? What is his purpose? Why does he want to get back to earth and harm earthlings and/or Superman? How does he get back to earth? And why would the crystals in the FOS harbour the potential for creating such a harmful being?

We also have to look at the effects of the missing crystals. Superman would realise they are missing and surely do something about security at the FOS. That is, if he is able to do that without the aid of the Kryptonian technology in the crystals. The absence of the crystals means Superman cannot commune with Jor-El for guidance (although Jor-El was not an interactive program in SR, but merely a recording). Does defeating Brainiac get the crystals back somehow? It's obvious the FOS needs more than a snowstorm around it now that Lex has found it and got inside so easily. Some form of energy field is necessary, perhaps one that only Superman can penetrate by flying/vibrating at superspeed through the barrier.

[batman44]

Yeah, and I wasn't saying Brainiac is liquid himself. Here, I'll script it:

EXT. SPACE

Blackness warming around the blazing SUN far over and away from Earth. Moving over Earth, the sun comes closer until

A LARGE ASTEROID passes it, black and jagged. It rumbles past, its surface coming into view. It's like a diamond, but shattered, cancerous even, a tumor of interlocking shimmering crystals that is the final product of New Krypton.

INT. NEW KRYPTON ASTEROID - CONTINUOUS

Pushing through, the crystal refract themselves, creating a dizzying kaliedoscope of blackness, sunlight, and lime luminesence. It's beautiful, while being eerie -- like the inside of a body, pulsating and surging with energy. The crystals break into a ventricle, a cavern where a few crystals twist out to connect with a crystalline POD, womb-shaped, which glows ginger.

A shadow lurks inside, twisting. Suddenly, the crystals begin shimmering, energy coursing through their clear surfaces. The crystalline WOMB CRACKS, viscous fluid pouring out as its splits into two halves.

A nude body slides out with the fluid and hits the botttom of the cavern, motionless. After a moment, it shifts, the slime dripping off its chalky lime skin. It stumbles up, hands outstretched, feeling around. It turns and we see it has no face, no mouth, nose, ears, or eyes -- an unfinished embroyo. It's barely humanoid.

As if respond to its confusion, the crystals begin glowing, spiralling lights as the pod the figure poured from is absorbed into the crystal cavern. A crescent of crystals rise around the figure, whose fingers -- webbed -- feel out and make contact, instantly recognizing the sharp tips of Kryptonian memory crystals.

It takes one and raises it before its chest. Then, as if to stab itself, it pushes the crystal into its chest, where it is absorbed by the chalky skin there, veins glowing outward from the penetration.

The featureless head leans back, two slits peeling open for its eyes, no pupils -- just glowing gold. A mouth forms, thin and straight. Brainiac.

Pretty good :up:

[Morg]

Back again, what? *bans*

[FanboyX_Returns]

I wouldnt be shocked if it is braniac that we see in the next movie but I don't know how well that would go over with fans that are watching him on Smallville the last couple of seasons.
It would be a waste of time of showing off the character in a movie when you can see him in the show so I don't know how good of an idea he or Zod would be for a movie.
I would go for Darkseid., Doomsday or Lobo as the new badguy if I were director... I wouldn't bring Lex back id have him be in jail, and maybe in the 3rd have him bust out of jail or something, and come after Superman with Bizzaro or something.
But if the WB want's to turn the ship around they better stay clear off Zod, Braniiac, and Lex as the main badguy.

If not well they will lose more money then they have lost already...

[GreenKToo]

Zod = Failure at the B.O.....Darkseid,Doomsday,or Brainiac = $$$$

[Super Kal]

completely agree :D

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, and I wasn't saying Brainiac is liquid himself. Here, I'll script it:

EXT. SPACE

Blackness warming around the blazing SUN far over and away from Earth. Moving over Earth, the sun comes closer until

A LARGE ASTEROID passes it, black and jagged. It rumbles past, its surface coming into view. It's like a diamond, but shattered, cancerous even, a tumor of interlocking shimmering crystals that is the final product of New Krypton.

INT. NEW KRYPTON ASTEROID - CONTINUOUS

Pushing through, the crystal refract themselves, creating a dizzying kaliedoscope of blackness, sunlight, and lime luminesence. It's beautiful, while being eerie -- like the inside of a body, pulsating and surging with energy. The crystals break into a ventricle, a cavern where a few crystals twist out to connect with a crystalline POD, womb-shaped, which glows ginger.

A shadow lurks inside, twisting. Suddenly, the crystals begin shimmering, energy coursing through their clear surfaces. The crystalline WOMB CRACKS, viscous fluid pouring out as its splits into two halves.

A nude body slides out with the fluid and hits the botttom of the cavern, motionless. After a moment, it shifts, the slime dripping off its chalky lime skin. It stumbles up, hands outstretched, feeling around. It turns and we see it has no face, no mouth, nose, ears, or eyes -- an unfinished embroyo. It's barely humanoid.

As if respond to its confusion, the crystals begin glowing, spiralling lights as the pod the figure poured from is absorbed into the crystal cavern. A crescent of crystals rise around the figure, whose fingers -- webbed -- feel out and make contact, instantly recognizing the sharp tips of Kryptonian memory crystals.

It takes one and raises it before its chest. Then, as if to stab itself, it pushes the crystal into its chest, where it is absorbed by the chalky skin there, veins glowing outward from the penetration.

The featureless head leans back, two slits peeling open for its eyes, no pupils -- just glowing gold. A mouth forms, thin and straight. Brainiac.

Pretty good Bosef, i wouldnt mind this happening. Though i hope they go with the robot Brainiac.

[bosef982]

Pretty good Bosef, i wouldnt mind this happening. Though i hope they go with the robot Brainiac.

I wrote that real fast during class. I shudder reading it. Ugh...

Anyway, yeah, he's a robot. Think of the Cylons (sp?) from Battlestar Galactica. The humanoid ones. They bleed and such...but they are robots in the end who have managed to engineer flesh.

[Spider-Man™]

Yeah, i don't Zod as the villain. From what they said of what to expect in teh sequel i'd say either Doomsday or Brainiac.

[DavidTyler]

Yeah I got a better idea! Why don't we make Jimmy with slick hair and a skirt chaser, its really important to the storyline!

OK... you've got me swinging... where did this come from....?


And, BTW, making Jimmy a skirt chaser is not a plot point .. IT'S CHARACTERIZATION. One of those necessary elements that make us believe in a character. Kind of like Alfred's sarcastic sense of humour or Peter Parker's angst.

[Dark Knight]

I just hope Singer, Harris and Daugherty use elements of the excellent BIRTHRIGHT story arc of the comics. A very well written story....

[Dark Knight]

I just hope Singer, Harris and Daugherty use elements of the excellent BIRTHRIGHT story arc of the comics. A very well written story....

[Dark Knight]

I couldn't see this anywhere...



http://www.moviehole.net/news/20061106_gossip_monkey_61106.html

Thank god.




I agree. We can only hope this is turns out to be true! Braniac has to be involved somehow...

[Dark Knight]

Zod = Failure at the B.O.....Darkseid,Doomsday,or Brainiac = $$$$


Exactly. I think Braniac should give Lex the technology to build Metallo or something like that.....

[Super Kal]

no... he should steal it from Brainiac while he's Battling Superman and duplicate and start the beginnings of Lexcorp... :D

[Dark Knight]

no... he should steal it from Brainiac while he's Battling Superman and duplicate and start the beginnings of Lexcorp... :D


i think Braniac should be shown as this unknown alien entity coming to Earth and he manipulates or gives Lex access to even more advanced technology to build Metallo. In the 3rd film....Braniac should create Doomsday.

[thedarks0ldier]

Maybe since they have a smaller budget they might be able to save money by casting Brandon Routh as Bizarro.

[DavidTyler]

Don't agree. I think Birthright had decent dialogue but Waid isn't much of a concept man. The bit in Africa was great and really made the story for me but the Kryptonian thing was an attrocity. Overall, the book seemed a bit chaotic and self indulgent.

I liked the bit w/Clark waiting for his Daily Planet job interview.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Do Bizarro and Superman look that similar?

[GreenKToo]

another conformation for the sequel....

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Nov/08/br/br0948627351.html