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[batman44]

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Ledger on The Joker & Bale: No To The Same "Old Road"
Author: Jett
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:17 AM: Heath Ledger actually "F'n HATES" comic book movies, but he digs The Joker. Read more (via DARK HORIZONS:

"I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb. But I thought what Chris Nolan did with [BATMAN BEGINS] was actually really good, really well directed, and Christian Bale was really great in it."

"He's going to be really sinister and it's going to be less about his laugh and his pranks and more about just him being a just a f***ing sinister guy."

[Asked if he decides to do a big movie like this, because of agent pressure.] "I'm sure they're super happy that I'm doing this [THE DARK KNIGHT], because this is the first time I've really kind of taken something like that, so they're over the moon. But I think it's just going to be a really fun experience, and I love to dress up and wear a mask."

[How will his Joker look?] "I've seen a few interesting designs on the look and I think that it's going to look pretty cool."

Thanks to "Brock" for the lead...

original source: :http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/ledger.php

[batman44]

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[Boom]

Wear a mask?

[batman44]

Wear a mask?

I hope he's just saying it like it's what he enjoys doing (ex: Halloween).

[Boom]

I don't know. I'm just not getting a good vibe from this all of the sudden.

[batman44]

I'll admit when first read it I was like "Oh No!!!", but I don't think he means "mask" literally.

[Darknightnomis]

http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/hills/1391/1966/CastPics/Joker.jpg

The Joker with a mask. :woot:

[Stringer]

Yeah I saw that too. Mask huh?

[Hades]

Way to win over the fans support....:huh:

[DV8]

I don't think he meant a mask literally . . . .

[Lobster Charlie]

I think he means becoming a completely different character. He'll be wearing white makeup and probably colored hair, so he's most likely not speaking too literally, as in "wearing an actual rubber mask."

[DA Harvey Dent]

Here we go. Look, the term "mask" could mean anything. He could be talking about prosthetics or even the fact that it won't be his real face in the joker gettup but an overall effect of a "mask." Some of you guys really need to RELAX!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boom]

Here we go. Look, the term "mask" could mean anything. He could be talking about prosthetics or even the fact that it won't be his real face in the joker gettup but an overall effect of a "mask." Some of you guys really need to RELAX!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm perfectly calm dude :huh:.

[The Sage]

Well at least he didn't say I hate comic books.

[Van Petrol]

But I think it's just going to be a really fun experience, and I love to dress up and wear a mask."

Red Hood possibly?.....


And I think he just referring to wearing a mask in regards to the Jokers look (i.e. the make-up, etc...).

[Van Petrol]

Here we go. Look, the term "mask" could mean anything. He could be talking about prosthetics or even the fact that it won't be his real face in the joker gettup but an overall effect of a "mask." Some of you guys really need to RELAX!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly! :up:

[7Hells]

10 bucks says there will be damage control because of this!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hate when actors say that they hate comicbook movies...I'm sure Ledger's is going to be fine in the role, but he is completely rubbing me the wrong way, I wish he would shut the hell up.

[Lobster Charlie]

Most comic book movies ARE lame, I totally agree with him.

Batman Begins worked because it wasn't the typical comic book film. Isn't that why we enjoy it so much? That's all he's saying.

[SouLeSS]

I'm gonna go with the whole "mask" is talking about the mask of a character. If any of you have ever done any acting, you'll realize that every character is a new persona you have to take. Figurativly we call them 'masks', as we disguise our true selves to turn into the character.

[Darknightnomis]

Wow. How quick it is for people to turn on someone after they say something that may not be in the same line with the general preception of how people feel about a specific medium.

In this case Ledger's his hatred for Superhero movies.

Last week everyone was praising him and his statement that the Joker is going to be close to ALex in 'A Clockwork Orange' and now since he says he hate comic book movies we're ready to crucify the guy.

So what. I know he sounds unaprreiciate, but I personally want this Joker to be one I really loathe and hate and not "get a kick" out of his crazy antics like Nicholson's version in Batman 89.

Ledger remarks about superhero movies will only make me hate his version of the Joker all the moreso but enjoy his performance.

So when Batman lay the smack down on him I can cheer all yell out: " Yeah Batman...Beat the Hate of comic movies out of him!!!' :hyper:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Most comic book movies ARE lame, I totally agree with him.

Batman Begins worked because it wasn't the typical comic book film. Isn't that why we enjoy it so much? That's all he's saying. I thought that Batman Begins was pretty damn lame in it's second half, wasting what it built up.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

And Ledger sounds like an idiot with all of that useless cussing.

[Crashorama]

Most comic book movies ARE lame, I totally agree with him.

Batman Begins worked because it wasn't the typical comic book film. Isn't that why we enjoy it so much? That's all he's saying.

That's what I took from it as well. I think it was just as much about complimenting Nolan and Co. as it was about saying he wouldn't be interested in being in the next Fantastic Four movie. He did also go on to say how much he liked the character of the Joker. I think it is benificial in every way we are getting an actor that isn't a big fan of the genre. I mean the only way the powers that be got Bale, Oldman, Caine...ect. interested in the movie was to do something unique, and this seems like a very similar situation. I am more and more excited about the casting of Ledger with every comment he makes.

[BmAaTn3625]

Nolan is not stupid. He wants to make a movie that the audiences enjoy. He has consulted so many DC execs and even Jerry Robinson from reports lately. He is not going to have the Joker with a literal "MASK" on. News is so slim right now everyone is down to looking at ever single word in a story, and then looking for the meaning behind each word that is used. Everybody breath with me, in through the nose....out through the mouth. That's it...doesn't that feel better. Nolan is smart, do you think he would drastically change the most iconic villian in comic history. It would be commiting suicide, and that would seal his fate with us fans. If the trailer comes out and it isn't looking good, or we get a picture of the joker, then we can bash any mistakes. Let's all just let them actually start SHOOTING THE MOVIE FIRST.

[DA Harvey Dent]

I hate when actors say that they hate comicbook movies...I'm sure Ledger's is going to be fine in the role, but he is completely rubbing me the wrong way, I wish he would shut the hell up.

Who cares? I only care about whether he has the acting chops and how committed he is to the role. These are the criteria through which I will judge him in TDK. What he thinks of comic books in his PERSONAL life is irrelevant to me just like what political party he's affiliated with, what his favorite color is, what his favorite meal is, etc.

[The Only Woj]

if he was going to be wearing an actual mask, they wouldn't have cast Heath Ledger.

[Katsuro]

Jeez people are silly. He's not wearing an actual mask guys.

[Darknightnomis]

Maybe Ledger was thinking about the Guy Fawkes mask from 'V for Vendetta". It sort of looks like the Joker.

http://www.onision.com/photos/commercial/v-for-vendetta/v-for-vendetta-movie-x1.jpghttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d8/225px-JokercolorLG.jpg

[DV8]

I just wonder if he hates the Spidey flicks . . . cuz if he does, he's just a dik for that; I'm not really taken back by his comments of most comic movies being lame, predictable and for those factors; boring, however . . . . I'm more concerned as to how his performance will pan out . . . which will be, like fuackn phenomenal; as Ledger would say :D

[Ronny Shade]

This can still go very much either way.

[DJ Kornphlake]

It's amazing how ambiguous word can sway so many fans' faith in this franchise.

[Ronny Shade]

It's not just one ambiguous word, though. It's a LOT of description that could be interpreted a LOT of ways.

[Darknightnomis]

It's amazing how ambiguous word can sway so many fans' faith in this franchise.

It's because we (Batman Fan) have been burned so many times before and we hope we're not going to go through the same thing again.

Persoanlly, I take it what he said with a grain of salt, but for some it can be a red flag for another bad Batman sequel.

[Alonsovich]

I don't know what's the big deal... proesthetic masks are applied all the time without looking like masks... think like Charlize Theron in Monster or Palpatine in SW...

[zer00]

hahaha...he hates comic movies...hilarious. I don't care he can act I don't care about him personally. Least Jett didn't suck his dick over the comment. I disagree with Ledger's attitude obviously.

And he didn't mean mask literally. Prosthetics are "mask acting" afterall. Nice hearing the designs are cool.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Who cares? I only care about whether he has the acting chops and how committed he is to the role. These are the criteria through which I will judge him in TDK. What he thinks of comic books in his PERSONAL life is irrelevant to me just like what political party he's affiliated with, what his favorite color is, what his favorite meal is, etc.You didn't read my whole post, did ya?

[Poetic Chaos]

He's supposed to be sinister through his pranks and laugh. Might as well just call him Jack rather than Joker the way Ledger makes the character out to be.

[DA Harvey Dent]

You didn't read my whole post, did ya?

Like I freakin care.

[Cinemaman]

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Ledger on The Joker & Bale: No To The Same "Old Road"
Author: Jett
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:17 AM: Heath Ledger actually "F'n HATES" comic book movies, but he digs The Joker. Read more (via DARK HORIZONS:

"I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb. But I thought what Chris Nolan did with [BATMAN BEGINS] was actually really good, really well directed, and Christian Bale was really great in it."

"He's going to be really sinister and it's going to be less about his laugh and his pranks and more about just him being a just a f***ing sinister guy."

[Asked if he decides to do a big movie like this, because of agent pressure.] "I'm sure they're super happy that I'm doing this [THE DARK KNIGHT], because this is the first time I've really kind of taken something like that, so they're over the moon. But I think it's just going to be a really fun experience, and I love to dress up and wear a mask."

[How will his Joker look?] "I've seen a few interesting designs on the look and I think that it's going to look pretty cool."

Thanks to "Brock" for the lead...

original source: :http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/ledger.php

Wow :eek: Didn't expect this from guy like Ledger.

I am not agreed with that aspect about comic book movies. There are movies like X-Men 1-2, Spidey 1-2, Sin City, B89, Superman, SII and others. But yes, BB is the best one at nowadays.

Yeah, that's what I want, much more sinister, scary, mad and evil Joker :up:

About "wearing the mask, I think he used figuratively meaning.

[lordofthenerds]

He said he hates comic books...I'll assume he won't read the source material going into the role. Bummer.

[Sane Man]

He's supposed to be sinister through his pranks and laugh. Might as well just call him Jack rather than Joker the way Ledger makes the character out to be.

People really get the wrong idea when Ledger talks about it being less about the laugh. When he says this he's comparing it to Jack Nicholson's interpretation which was pretty much ALL about the laugh. He's not talking about the comic books, which he's probably never even read.

From everything we've heard so far, and from interpreting what Ledger says correctly, we'll be seeing something along the lines of The Killing Joke Joker.

[Cinemaman]

Most comic book movies ARE lame, I totally agree with him.

Batman Begins worked because it wasn't the typical comic book film. Isn't that why we enjoy it so much? That's all he's saying.

Yep, and the same is going to TDK (even Nolan confirmed this).

[Sane Man]

He said he hates comic books...I'll assume he won't read the source material going into the role. Bummer.

Comic book movies. There's a big difference.

[DAVIDYR1]

This is a real good interview, and honest of him to say how he really feels about these movies too.

Does it bother me? Not one bit..
Hates them but liked what Nolan did with BB. Cool!
The whole mask thing is his way of saying he digs the whole costume get up thing and the chance to transform. Nothing to read into there....

Besides...I will take a guy who hates superheros and knows nothing about these characters 'anyday' over those that know a lot and have grown up with them.
No pre conceived ideas...open to developing the character as desired by the director...and to me, easier to see successfully translated to film.

I wasnt exactly 'thrilled' with this casting choice at first...but it quickly grew on me and in all honesty...I've wanted from day one something out of left field..not the predictable choice for this specific role and I gotta say..that's just what happened.
This guy seems intelligent and grounded...I like the way he thinks and he seems honest about who he is and how this world affects him...just like Bale was in the earlier interviews also.

I take all this as good news so far.
Hopefully more will come our way.
:)

David

[Cinemaman]

I thought that Batman Begins was pretty damn lame in it's second half, wasting what it built up.

And I thought the whole movie was excellent.

Besides, if we look at other superhero movies (like Spider-man for example), there is more lameness than in BB.

[Cinemaman]

He said he hates comic books...I'll assume he won't read the source material going into the role. Bummer.

1. He said he hates comic book MOVIES.

2. He doesn't need to read comics. The only one guy who needs it is Nolan, because he is director, who can explain Ledger in what Joker he should turn into.
Besides, there is also joker's creator, who can always help Ledger with the role.

[Bale]

Maybe Ledger was thinking about the Guy Fawkes mask from 'V for Vendetta". It sort of looks like the Joker.

http://www.onision.com/photos/commercial/v-for-vendetta/v-for-vendetta-movie-x1.jpghttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d8/225px-JokercolorLG.jpg

This is no joke, maybe they put up a mask like Vendetta. The film about covering the inside. Batman wears a mask, Black Mask wears a mask and finally the Joker.
Remeber some things that have been said: No green hair/ about the eyes not the laugh...and maybe Ledger read the script or was informed by Nolan or Goyer what the Joker will be... a "realistic" psycho.

If its that way, what will be the reaction by fans ? I could live with that, but the general audience remembers the Joker as Jack Nicholsons version and hardcore fans will be angry...maybe.
Nolan plans "new" things ? No green hair ? Different in relation to Batman Begins ? think they need to show some aspects of the script or what the Joker will be and whats so different about the sequel ?...maybe a little script review.

[Cinemaman]

If they put hear "mask" stuff in Joker's character (not figuratively), then it will really suck :down

But if they use it as psychological aspect of the character (figuratively), then it will RULE :up:

[Saint]

"Mask" was obviously not literal.

[Van Petrol]

This is no joke, maybe they put up a mask like Vendetta. The film about covering the inside. Batman wears a mask, Black Mask wears a mask and finally the Joker.
Remeber some things that have been said: No green hair/ about the eyes not the laugh...and maybe Ledger read the script or was informed by Nolan or Goyer what the Joker will be... a "realistic" psycho.

If its that way, what will be the reaction by fans ? I could live with that, but the general audience remembers the Joker as Jack Nicholsons version and hardcore fans will be angry...maybe.
Nolan plans "new" things ? No green hair ? Different in relation to Batman Begins ? think they need to show some aspects of the script or what the Joker will be and whats so different about the sequel ?...maybe a little script review.

If this is the way they are going to go, then I think they are way off.....

However, I don't think this is going to happen.

[Bale]

Bale was absolutely cool, he respects the fans, the comic books and everything. He is 100 % Bruce Wayne Batman.

Actually didnt like Ledgers comment on comic book movies, but it doesnt matter if he fits in the role of the Joker.

think they will do a different Joker, something new and maybe a mask.

[Bale]

sorry.

[batlovescatDC]

I can not believe that people are being this F***ING PARANOID about this movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE DID NOT MEAN THAT JOKER IS GOING TO WEAR A MASK, GOD-D***ITT!!! People are just so hung up over EVERY SINGLE WORD THAT LEDGER SAYS ABOUT THIS MOVIE! It's driving me insane. Okay... the second film of both Burton and Schumacher's sucked major d*ck and ba*ls, but dear god, people.... please give it a rest.

[Sane Man]

This is no joke, maybe they put up a mask like Vendetta. The film about covering the inside. Batman wears a mask, Black Mask wears a mask and finally the Joker.
Remeber some things that have been said: No green hair/ about the eyes not the laugh...and maybe Ledger read the script or was informed by Nolan or Goyer what the Joker will be... a "realistic" psycho.

If its that way, what will be the reaction by fans ? I could live with that, but the general audience remembers the Joker as Jack Nicholsons version and hardcore fans will be angry...maybe.
Nolan plans "new" things ? No green hair ? Different in relation to Batman Begins ? think they need to show some aspects of the script or what the Joker will be and whats so different about the sequel ?...maybe a little script review.

There's no point even discussing this because there's no way he'll be wearing a mask.

God, you people...

[Cinemaman]

I can not believe that people are being this F***ING PARANOID about this movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE DID NOT MEAN THAT JOKER IS GOING TO WEAR A MASK, GOD-D***ITT!!! People are just so hung up over EVERY SINGLE WORD THAT LEDGER SAYS ABOUT THIS MOVIE! It's driving me insane. Okay... the second film of both Burton and Schumacher's sucked major d*ck and ba*ls, but dear god, people.... please give it a rest.

That's what I mean.

BTW, BF sucked, and Nolan isn't next Burton, who was unfaithful to comics.

[lordofthenerds]

Comic book movies. There's a big difference.
Your right, I did miss the "movies" in there. But it still probably means that he hates comic books. Which means that he probably won't read the source material. And that's bad imo.

[7Hells]

I'm gonna go with the whole "mask" is talking about the mask of a character. If any of you have ever done any acting, you'll realize that every character is a new persona you have to take. Figurativly we call them 'masks', as we disguise our true selves to turn into the character.
ya, no..thats not what he was talking about.
Nice try though :)
He is an aussie so perhaps mask is slang for makeup/prosthetics or something.

[Cinemaman]

Your right, I did miss the "movies" in there. But it still probably means that he hates comic books. Which means that he probably won't read the source material. And that's bad imo.

That isn't bad. Read my answer on your quote, i posted it in previous page.

[7Hells]

Your right, I did miss the "movies" in there. But it still probably means that he hates comic books. Which means that he probably won't read the source material. And that's bad imo.

Reading source material and research for any role he plays is a must.
He is an accomplished actor, I seriously doubt he will just read the script and be done with it.

And for all we know he could have meant "mask" literally.
Even if he did, there is no reason to get bent about it until we see it.

[Saint]

Your right, I did miss the "movies" in there. But it still probably means that he hates comic books. Which means that he probably won't read the source material. And that's bad imo.
Why? Gary Oldman said he didn't research how to play Gordon by reading the source material. It doesn't matter whether they read it or not; all that matters is the performance.

That said, I doubt he will refuse to research the role.

[lordofthenerds]

That isn't bad. Read my answer on your quote, i posted it in previous page.
I read it and I disagree wit it. The Joker will still be Ledger's interpretation, along with Nolan's. I mean Ledger is the guy playing Joker, not Nolan. He needs to know the source material as well.
And isn't Joker's creator just helping out with the script and not filming?

[The Joker]

As long as the writers and the director know how the Joker should be, then Ledger doesn't need to read the comics.

But it would be nice if he did do a little research.

[DJ Kornphlake]

So now we're jumping to the conclusion that he won't research any source material for the role because he doesn't care for comic book movies?

Sheesh, some people...

[lordofthenerds]

Why? Gary Oldman said he didn't research how to play Gordon by reading the source material. It doesn't matter whether they read it or not; all that matters is the performance.

There's much more depth to the Joker than Commisioner Gordan imo.

[Cinemaman]

I read it and I disagree wit it. The Joker will still be Ledger's interpretation, along with Nolan's. I mean Ledger is the guy playing Joker, not Nolan. He needs to know the source material as well.
And isn't Joker's creator just helping out with the script and not filming?

Nolan is the guy, who have his vision on Joker, so he can just explain Ledger what should he do and that's all. I can't see anything wrong there.

[lordofthenerds]

So now we're jumping to the conclusion that he won't research any source material for the role because he doesn't care for comic book movies?

Sheesh, some people...
I never said he wouldn't automatically read anythig other than the script, I just said that if he hates comic books just as much as he hates comic book movies, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen.

[Cinemaman]

I never said he wouldn't automatically read anythig other than the script, I just said that if he hates comic books just as much as he hates comic book movies, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen.

Actually he explained why he hate comic book movies. He hates them, because of their predictable and boring storytelling.

With comics he can go with another way.

[lordofthenerds]

Actually he explained why he hate comic book movies. He hates them, because of their predictable and boring storytelling.

With comics he can go with another way.
I guess he could. But most people that hate comic book movies enough to swear their asses off about them, don't like the comics either.

And what's the problem with wanting Ledger to read some of the source material? Its not like Nolan's the creator of the Joker, his vision may not be perfect. I just think it would be good for Ledger to get to read the Joker in the comics since he obviously hasn't read anything on it before.

[batboy99]

i think he meant a mask as in a different face(make up,make him look totally diff.)thats just my opinion

[Cinemaman]

I guess he could. But most people that hate comic book movies enough to swear their asses off about them, don't like the comics either.

And what's the problem with wanting Ledger to read some of the source material? Its not like Nolan's the creator of the Joker, his vision may not be perfect. I just think it would be good for Ledger to get to read the Joker in the comics since he obviously hasn't read anything on it before.

Well, we don't know did he read them or not.

Yeah, I'll agree with you, it would be cool if he read them, but again, I think Nolan's vision is enough, because it is faithful to first appearances of Joker.

[ultimatefan]

Don´t take the comment too literaly folks. He was talking in general sense, probably in the sense of using a persona, which you get from both masks and make up.

And he may hate comic book movies, but he digs what Nolan did with Batman, so to some extent he has to enjoy the bat-world.

[MJZ]

**** it takes the smallest thing to get you guys all neurotic.

[Cinemaman]

Don´t take the comment too literaly folks. He was talking in general sense, probably in the sense of using a persona, which you get from both masks and make up.

And he may hate comic book movies, but he digs what Nolan did with Batman, so to some extent he has to enjoy the bat-world.

Totaly agreed :up:

BTW, soon I'll start agreeing with every your post :D

[StorminNorman]

I just wonder if he hates the Spidey flicks . . . cuz if he does, he's just a dik for that; I'm not really taken back by his comments of most comic movies being lame, predictable and for those factors; boring, however . . . . I'm more concerned as to how his performance will pan out . . . which will be, like fuackn phenomenal; as Ledger would say :D

DV8 called me a dik :( ?

[bullitt245]

Guys, if he wasn't going to enjoy making the movie and creating a character I'm sure he wouldn't do it. He said he loved Nolan's Batman, so that's all you need to know. His opinion on the Fantastic Four shouldn't worry anybody. He's saying all the things we want to hear - the Clockwork Orange comparison is great as that is one of my favorite books and movies. The vibe I get from reading the comics is similar.

Let's go Heath!

[StorminNorman]

I dont see how this is much different for Bales attitude about Batman. Before he read Arkham Asylum he said he had no intrest in the character. Ledger - like Bale - is not a fan of camp and poor quality, which IMO describe most Superhero films . The only Superhero Comic Book movies that I consider really good films are X Men I-II, Begins and Superman Returns.

[DA Harvey Dent]

I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k297/Romulus219/Brokeback_Mountain_226874mcopy.jpg

[StorminNorman]

lol, I love that quote actually - I love it because it shows just how special Nolan's movies are.

[El Payaso]

"I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb.

Ok, Ledger, 2 things:

1) gfy
2) You do the job right first and then you ramble all what you want.

lol, I love that quote actually - I love it because it shows just how special Nolan's movies are.

It actually shows how much of an a**-licker Ledger could be.

[StorminNorman]

LEDGEOWNED!!!!

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/Ledgeowned.jpg

[StorminNorman]

It actually shows how much of an a**-licker Ledger could be.

:whatever:

[fabman]

...nah. everybody has his opinions...

[deathfromabove]

I'm perfectly calm dude :huh:.

your avy says otherwise:wow: :cwink:

[War Party]

I could care less what Ledger thinks about comicbook movies. If he don't like them, that's fine. I'm just excited for The Dark Knight and seeing the Joker. I don't know why some people are getting worked up over this.

[Dr. MIX]

Wow, the stupidity of some of you posters... Mind-boggling... Ledger will do a fine job. That's all I've got to say.

[Still A ThorFan]

"I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb. But I thought what Chris Nolan did with [BATMAN BEGINS] was actually really good, really well directed, and Christian Bale was really great in it."

He means the FF4. LOL

[The Chairman]

Great news. I admit the "mask" comment initially tunred me off, but I wouldn't put too much thought into it.

[Retroman]

He hates all comic book movies? I know its his opnion but come on theres been good ones and bad ones. Just like some of the movies he's done in his career.:oldrazz: I bet a 1000 bucks he's never watched more than 5 comic boojk movies.

As for the mask bit. It sounds like they're going make him don a prosthetic mask.He's not going to look like 'V'.

[Two-Face]

Well long as Ledger does great Joker in TDK I don't give a damn if he likes comic book movies or not.

[El Payaso]

He hates all comic book movies? I know its his opnion but come on theres been good ones and bad ones. Just like some of the movies he's done in his career.:oldrazz: I bet a 1000 bucks he's never watched more than 5 comic boojk movies.

That's the thing. He would work better not talking too much. So far no one cares what he thinks of comic books or movies as long as he does a good job.

[Retroman]

That's the thing. He would work better not talking too much. So far no one cares what he thinks of comic books or movies as long as he does a good job.
Exactly.:up:
Ledger shouldn't regurgitate his disapproval of the genre in general so much after this comment.After all he is playing the best known villains in the comic books.A man with a permanent grin on his face.

[SilentType]

It's a logical thing to come up in an interview, and he was honest. I don't see the problem.

[StorminNorman]

Exactly.:up:
Ledger shouldn't regurgitate his disapproval of the genre in general so much after this comment.After all he is playing the best known villains in the comic books.A man with a permanent grin on his face.

Lets hope not. :joker:

[El Payaso]

It's a logical thing to come up in an interview, and he was honest. I don't see the problem.

The problem is everybody's discussing on what he said of comic book movies and masks and not the character or the movie.

Personally, I want to see a damn good Joker from Mr. Yawn I hate Comic book movies.

[Octoberist]

I don't think he meant a mask literally . . . .

exactly. People are looking too much into it.:batty:

[StorminNorman]

The problem is everybody's discussing on what he said of comic book movies and masks and not the character or the movie.

Personally, I want to see a damn good Joker from Mr. Yawn I hate Comic book movies.
I am sure he was flat out asked if he likes Comic Book Movies. He answered the question asked, and he answered it honestly - can't blame him for that.

[Two-Face]

Does anyone think that will Nolan use Red Hood origin on Joker since TKJ will insipre TDK?

[El Payaso]

I am sure he was flat out asked if he likes Comic Book Movies. He answered the question asked, and he answered it honestly - can't blame him for that.

How about 'No, not my kind of movies', I mean, since he's working on one that has tons of followers and comic fans?

[StorminNorman]

No, the Red Hood was always a fairly stupid idea IMO anyway.

[StorminNorman]

How about 'No, not my kind of movies', I mean, since he's working on one that has tons of followers and comic fans?

True, there are much more tactful ways of saying it - however from what I have read of his in the past - this is more of his personality.

[Octoberist]

I want "Ledgeowned" to sweep the nation.

[El Payaso]

I want Ledger to be **************owned big time!

[StorminNorman]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/batman-and-robin-6.jpg

[zer00]

Once again I don't care about Ledger's opinion as long as he ends up making a good Joker(though still 50/50 to me). He should practice...if you can't say anything nice. Or said it better. But hey he could hate jews for all I care.

But the fact he finds them boring is hilarious to me. I mean...he starred in Brokeback Mountain.

I'm going to start saying Die Hard is boring. Just for the laughs.

[zer00]

And he may hate comic book movies, but he digs what Nolan did with Batman, so to some extent he has to enjoy the bat-world.

No offense. Not saying I don't believe the Ledge, but we have no idea if he ACTUALLY likes BB. And if I disliked BB but got offered to play the Joker and the last perosn to play him as Jack Nicholson? I'd take it:o

[SilentType]

No offense. Not saying I don't believe the Ledge, but we have no idea if he ACTUALLY likes BB. And if I disliked BB but got offered to play the Joker and the last perosn to play him as Jack Nicholson? I'd take it:o
Even if you thought the movie would suck?

[DA Harvey Dent]

Even if you thought the movie would suck?

Sure, if it advanced my career and gave me a healthy paycheck. Actors do it all the time. You can't honestly tell me that Ben Affleck took the role in Gigli thinking it would be a box office success.

[SilentType]

Sure, if it advanced my career and gave me a healthy paycheck. Actors do it all the time. You can't honestly tell me that Ben Affleck took the role in Gigli thinking it would be a box office success.
I was responding to this:
got offered to play the Joker and the last perosn to play him as Jack Nicholson? I'd take it

He could still just be doing for the paycheck.

[zer00]

Sure, if it advanced my career and gave me a healthy paycheck. Actors do it all the time. You can't honestly tell me that Ben Affleck took the role in Gigli thinking it would be a box office success.

Bingo. I mean...how amny well known good actors have starred in pieces of ****? All of them. Even Bale was in Reign of Fire.

[Mr. Vice]

Bingo. I mean...how amny well known good actors have starred in pieces of ****? All of them. Even Bale was in Reign of Fire.

:o And Shaft...

[zer00]

hey come now

....yeah

[gillberg2k1]

You guys are pretty quick to judge Ledger (who was just being honest, by the way) when really, you guys should be kissing his feet for that comment.

Don't you realize that by him saying he normally HATES comic book films, that totally ups the ante as far as TDK is concerned? That alone speaks volumes of the quality that this script/film is going to be. You should all be thankful since that comment is essentially your confirmation that we have something special on our hands.

And no, he won't be wearing a mask.

[explode7]

I would really hate the idea of Ledger not reading the comics and you guys should too. Remember what happened by Bryan Singer not reading the comics we got SR a completely recycled vision of someone else. You guys should be afraid very afraid by ledgers comments.

[gillberg2k1]

I would really hate the idea of Ledger not reading the comics and you guys should too. Remember what happened by Bryan Singer not reading the comics we got SR a completely recycled vision of someone else. You guys should be afraid very afraid by ledgers comments.

And yet Ledger has made it clear he has no intentions of repeating what Nicholson did, so I guess there's really nothing to worry about. (Bryan Singer made it clear from the begining what he was doing, and anyone who couldnt see that when that horrible production started is blind).

If anything, the purists should be worried that they aren't hiring Mark Hammil and doing an exact copy of TAS, but are instead breaking new ground and doing something more Arkham Asylum esque.

[zer00]

You guys are pretty quick to judge Ledger (who was just being honest, by the way) when really, you guys should be kissing his feet for that comment.

Don't you realize that by him saying he normally HATES comic book films, that totally ups the ante as far as TDK is concerned? That alone speaks volumes of the quality that this script/film is going to be. You should all be thankful since that comment is essentially your confirmation that we have something special on our hands.

And no, he won't be wearing a mask.

...

so anyway, who wants cake?

[explode7]

And yet Ledger has made it clear he has no intentions of repeating what Nicholson did, so I guess there's really nothing to worry about. (Bryan Singer made it clear from the begining what he was doing, and anyone who couldnt see that when that horrible production started is blind).

If anything, the purists should be worried that they aren't hiring Mark Hammil and doing an exact copy of TAS, but are instead breaking new ground and doing something more Arkham Asylum esque.

I'm not saying the exact same thing that happened in SR happen to the Joker in TDK by Ledger not reading the comics but something similiar could happen that will turn off most fans like SR did.

[Morgoth]

Heath Ledger can kiss my ass. He doesn't like comic book movies, then he can go away. He says they're boring and dumb, what a moron, they're better than anything he's done. He does Brokeback and right away he thinks he's so great, he's nothing.

BB isn't that great and Nolan had better do something different with DK.:cmad:

[CConn]

I'm not saying the exact same thing that happened in SR happen to the Joker in TDK by Ledger not reading the comics but something similiar could happen that will turn off most fans like SR did.The difference is, Singer is a director, Ledger is an actor. An actor does what the director tells him. And we all know Nolan is interested in, and respectful to, the comics.

[CConn]

Heath Ledger can kiss my ass. He doesn't like comic book movies, then he can go away. He says they're boring and dumb, what a moron, they're better than anything he's done. He does Brokeback and right away he thinks he's so great, he's nothing.

BB isn't that great and Nolan had better do something different with DK.:cmad:So you don't like Ledger for not liking comic book movies, but you yourself don't like BB all that much? Does that mean you want to kiss your own ass? :confused:

[The Fallen]

Man, who pissed in Heath's cornflakes? At least the guy is a straight shooter and honest. I do agree with him on this in that comic book movies are getting a bit boring with so many of them out. It just shows how respected Nolan is as a director.

And this Mask comment. COME ON PEOPLE! He's not wareing a goddamn mask. I bet ANYTHING The Joker will not ware a mask. As Red Hood sure, bit Joker, no freakin way. He never has and never will. So chill people, learn to read between the lines...

[Elisha Cuthbert]

Y'know, this is gonna sound retarded from someone that posts on a superhero movie forum, but I actually agree with Ledger somewhat, but I believe he's thinking more about the retarded comic book movies like Fantastic Four and catwoman. And he never said he hated comicbooks. So he's still cool with me. :o

[Boom]

"I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb. But I thought what Chris Nolan did with [BATMAN BEGINS] was actually really good, really well directed, and Christian Bale was really great in it."

He means the FF4. LOL
This was really, really funny for some reason.

[Alonsovich]

A picture of me after reading this thread:






















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[Boom]

A picture of me after reading this thread:






















http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2876/miedoum0.jpg
Who **** on you :eek:?!?

[zer00]

A picture of me after reading this thread:





http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2876/miedoum0.jpg

You look like a nazi at the end of Raiders.

[StorminNorman]

Heath Ledger can kiss my ass. He doesn't like comic book movies, then he can go away. He says they're boring and dumb, what a moron, they're better than anything he's done. He does Brokeback and right away he thinks he's so great, he's nothing.

BB isn't that great and Nolan had better do something different with DK.:cmad:

:whatever: Give me a break people. He disses films like Spider-man and Fantastic Four and you want to hang the guy? Oh well.

[BK™]

:whatever: Give me a break people. He disses films like Spider-man and Fantastic Four and you want to hang the guy? Oh well.
He didn't really mention which films though.













Though he prolly did refer to F4. :meow:

[StorminNorman]

He didn't really mention which films though.













Though he prolly did refer to F4. :meow:

When you think of Comic Book Films, what do you think of? Spandex, Action, Spiders.

[BK™]

When you think of Comic Book Films, what do you think of? Spandex, Action, Spiders.
Well Spider-Man is definitely the biggest, sure, but there are still tons of other atrocious comic book films out there that outweigh the good ones. I wouldn't really place the SM franchise with them at all imo.

[thorstone]

I just threw up in my throat a little.

On being sinister-- he is the Joker because of his black humor.

I think half the comic book movies suck but the movies that don't are quite enjoyable (Spiderman 2, X2, Batman, Batman Returns; Sin City).

[StorminNorman]

Well Spider-Man is definitely the biggest, sure, but there are still tons of other atrocious comic book films out there that outweigh the good ones. I wouldn't really place the SM franchise with them at all imo.

However it is a classic comic film, it is light, it is action packed, it is not too deep - I think that is what Ledger was dissing as a whole.

[DJ Kornphlake]

I wouldn't suggest taking Ledger's personal opinions on comicbook films as a factor for the quality of his performance in this movie. Patrick Stewart isn't a big comic or sci-fi fan and no one really had a problem with his portrayal of Prof. X.

[FaT_tONle]

Everyone has their thing... lets not diss Ledger cause his interest are different than ours... all that matters is what he delievers on the screen... nothing else he says should be of any concern... get off the guys back...

[Lobster Charlie]

Patrick Stewart, Ian Mckellan and Hugh Jackman were the ONLY good things about the X-Men films. The first two actors are seasoned vets---they can pretty much "sell it" with any movie they are in. We, as comics fans, are just lucky to get them at all, as they do justice to some great characters.

Again, Ledger makes a great point, and one I've been stressing forever: Most Comic Book Films Suck.

Elektra, Punisher, Blade 2-3, Daredevil, X-Men series (decent because of #2, the rest are bleh), Fantastic Four (entertaining in spots but miscast in others), Superman Returns (zzzzz). I like Spiderman, but I know why some people aren't real into it.

As long as this guy puts in a solid performance, who the HELL cares what he thinks of other comics films? Or what pizza he likes? Or what kind of fabric softener he thinks is the best?

please.

[Darknightnomis]

As long as this guy puts in a solid performance, who the HELL cares what he thinks of other comics films? Or what pizza he likes? Or what kind of fabric softener he thinks is the best?

please.

I think what's turning a lot of people off and getting them upset about this comments is that he's viciously putting down a genre of movies that he's about to become A part of.

A big part at that by playing the Joker.

On the one hand that could be good, because if he thinks most superhero movies are bad, then maybe he will do extremly well in his perfomance to give them credibility.

However, on the other hand, if he hates all superhero movies, the maybe he'll just "phone in" the performance becasue it doesn't really matter to him.

Which is a big fear for everyone because the role of the Joker could have went to an actor who really wanted the part.

[metr0man]

Who gives a **** what Ledger thinks of OTHER comic book movies? Oh like the fact that Ledger thinks Daredevil or Catwoman blows really means jack **** to me.

The point is, he didn't count Batman Begins there, he praised it heavily.

[FaT_tONle]

Who gives a **** what Ledger thinks of OTHER comic book movies? Oh like the fact that Ledger thinks Daredevil or Catwoman blows really means jack **** to me.

The point is, he didn't count Batman Begins there, he praised it heavily.

People just feel the need to diss somebody just b/c they have different interests... its pretty silly to feel that way though as most would agree

[LadyVader]

http://batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

Ledger on The Joker & Bale: No To The Same "Old Road"
Author: Jett
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:17 AM: Heath Ledger actually "F'n HATES" comic book movies, but he digs The Joker. Read more (via DARK HORIZONS:

"I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb. But I thought what Chris Nolan did with [BATMAN BEGINS] was actually really good, really well directed, and Christian Bale was really great in it."

"He's going to be really sinister and it's going to be less about his laugh and his pranks and more about just him being a just a f***ing sinister guy."

[Asked if he decides to do a big movie like this, because of agent pressure.] "I'm sure they're super happy that I'm doing this [THE DARK KNIGHT], because this is the first time I've really kind of taken something like that, so they're over the moon. But I think it's just going to be a really fun experience, and I love to dress up and wear a mask."

[How will his Joker look?] "I've seen a few interesting designs on the look and I think that it's going to look pretty cool."

Thanks to "Brock" for the lead...

original source: :http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/ledger.php

It might seems a bit hypocritical for him to say that comic book movies are dumb or boring when in fact he has starred in plenty of movies that are dumb ("10 things I hate about you") and even some that are outright boring (Brokeback Mountain Ned Kelly) but in reality this really doesn't surprise me about Ledger. He actually started out in that show Roar, where he played a gaelic prince or something called Connor. Well, anyway, after the show ended and he started doing movies he started shooting his mouth off about how dumb that show was.
:whatever:

This is just Ledger. He can be a bit of an *******, but who'd want a goody goody guy for Joker anyway.

[Shedhut]

funny, when i read the line about **************s I so saw the reactions coming. It sounds a bit like going to be pope but hating the church (although acctually batman represents the pope in the franchise).
Anyway I still agree with ledgeman on his coment but hopefully he doesnt turn the "allcomicmoviefans" away with statements like that.

[LadyVader]

Oh come on. You tellin me he couldn't have found a better way to express himself then saying he f***ing hates something? I don't know how much of that he actually said and how much the press improvised but it seems to me he could've been a bit more diplomatic. However, in the grand scheme of things, the whole casting of Ledger has a very Joker-ish quality. Nobody expected it. Ledger pretty much spits in the eyes of the fans. :D It's all very exciting. :D

[El Payaso]

:whatever: Give me a break people. He disses films like Spider-man and Fantastic Four and you want to hang the guy? Oh well.

Where did he mention those movies? Maybe I didn't read it all (I'm serious.) Because that would change it all.

As long as this guy puts in a solid performance, who the HELL cares what he thinks of other comics films? Or what pizza he likes? Or what kind of fabric softener he thinks is the best?

please.

I'm from the same opinion, but why addressing this to us? We don't care of his tastes and/or tried to inquire about them. He just tried to play the cool guy or something. If they offer me a job in the church (as someone said above) I don't come and say 'you know, your religion is boring and I've never ****ing liked it'. Because then... why am I accepting the job? or why do I feel the necessity of being insulting? He liked Nolan's BB? Then comic book movies aren't bad, it depends on the director, Ledge.

Anyway I still agree with ledgeman on his coment but hopefully he doesnt turn the "allcomicmoviefans" away with statements like that.

I don't see how throwing that on fans faces (who I'm sure he knew were going to read his comments) is going to make anyone happy amongst the fans.

[Shedhut]

well, maybe he was told to be the bad boy a bit to get rid of his cowboy image :o

[Seen]

I agree with Ledger's comments. Most comic-books movies are s.h.i.t. I can only name a few (Donner's Superman, Batman Begins, X2, Superman Returns) out of many that I think stand-out as apposite cinema. The rest? Crap.

[El Payaso]

Whoa, so many people hating superheroe movies are becoming members of a site devoted to superhero movies or making big roles in superhero movies.

[The Joker]

Whoa, so many people hating superheroe movies are becoming members of a site devoted to superhero movies or making big roles in superhero movies.

LOL :up:

Really, who cares what Ledger thinks about the comics or comic book movies?? He's not a writer on the movie, or the director.

He's going to be ACTING out a part in the script under Nolan's direction.

[DA Harvey Dent]

LOL :up:

Really, who cares what Ledger thinks about the comics or comic book movies?? He's not a writer on the movie, or the director.

He's going to be ACTING out a part in the script under Nolan's direction.

True. But I like the way ledger owned all comic book fans. He didn't just say he don't read the comics, he said he f-ing hates them and thinks they are boring and dumb. Now that is LEDGEOWNED!

[The Joker]

True. But I like the way ledger owned all comic book fans. He didn't just say he don't read the comics, he said he f-ing hates them and thinks they are boring and dumb. Now that is LEDGEOWNED!

How is that owning comic book fans??

Are we supposed to care what his taste in movies is??

[Mr. Thing]

True. But I like the way ledger owned all comic book fans. He didn't just say he don't read the comics, he said he f-ing hates them and thinks they are boring and dumb. Now that is LEDGEOWNED!

He said he hates comic book movies. Not the actual comic books.

[Lobster Charlie]

I think what's turning a lot of people off and getting them upset about this comments is that he's viciously putting down a genre of movies that he's about to become A part of.

A big part at that by playing the Joker.

On the one hand that could be good, because if he thinks most superhero movies are bad, then maybe he will do extremly well in his perfomance to give them credibility.

However, on the other hand, if he hates all superhero movies, the maybe he'll just "phone in" the performance becasue it doesn't really matter to him.

Which is a big fear for everyone because the role of the Joker could have went to an actor who really wanted the part.

I see your point.

What I got from his comment was basically "All other comic films sucked, compared to Batman Begins," which is why he took the part.

Batman Begins is a film based on a comic book hero, not so much a "comic book film," in that it refrains from being overly cliche' and hokey.

I guess we can just pray for the best.

[moonraker]

This doesn't change my opinion at all. I hate MOST comic book movies too, and I think Batman Begins is the best one yet.

[Cinemaman]

He hates comic book movies, BUT he liked BB and that is why he wants to play Joker. And guys, lets talk seriously, there is great number os superhero movies, which sucked.

He isn't going to show off another Nicholson's Joker. He wants to create a new version, which wasn't shown earlier.

And I like his thoughts about Joker as similar figure to the main character from "A Clockwork Orange".

[Shedhut]

Whoa, so many people hating superheroe movies are becoming members of a site devoted to superhero movies or making big roles in superhero movies.

I think most people oin these boards are more Comic-fans than anything else. Of course these people know about the huge movie potential many comics carry inside. So i think the point of most people coming here is more to investigate how their favourite panels translate onto screen than non-restrictively praise the comicbook-movies we have so far.

Movies I was looking forward to:

-spiderman
-hulk
-daredevil
-batman
-(even)elektra(in a way)
-f4
-superman

Movies I acctually liked:

-batman begins (although not copletely)
-hellboy (partially)

and as stated before:
Ledger didnt bash the Comics but what is mostly done to them translated to film!

...and well, I couldnt agree more:o

[I SEE SPIDEY]

And I thought the whole movie was excellent.

Besides, if we look at other superhero movies (like Spider-man for example), there is more lameness than in BB.Nah, I liked the Spider-Man movies far more than Batman Begins, I like Batman Begins and will see the second one though.

Not saying that my opinion is law but I'm not the first one to say that the movie fell apart in the second half and I aint gonna be the last.

[Shedhut]

imo Spiderman fell apart in the opening credits compared to Begins:oldrazz: .

[Cinemaman]

Nah, I liked the Spider-Man movies far more than Batman Begins, I like Batman Begins and will see the second one though.

Not saying that my opinion is law but I'm not the first one to say that the movie fell apart in the second half and I aint gonna be the last.

I was expecting this from you, Spidey-fan :p

And I am not the first or last one, who thought that BB was the best superhero movie.

Spidey didn't have anything better in script, and I didn't mention how crappy was GG suit.

Besides, Raimi also used Burton's formula in storytelling of both superhero and villian, and that's not so good. But in BB we see only Batman as the main character in storytelling.

[ultimatefan]

I think most people oin these boards are more Comic-fans than anything else. Of course these people know about the huge movie potential many comics carry inside. So i think the point of most people coming here is more to investigate how their favourite panels translate onto screen than non-restrictively praise the comicbook-movies we have so far.

Movies I was looking forward to:

-spiderman
-hulk
-daredevil
-batman
-(even)elektra(in a way)
-f4
-superman

Movies I acctually liked:

-batman begins (although not copletely)
-hellboy (partially)

and as stated before:
Ledger didnt bash the Comics but what is mostly done to them translated to film!

...and well, I couldnt agree more:o
You seem like a particularly hard fan to please, not that in itself is either a good or bad thing. People just have different tastes, that´s all.

[Shedhut]

You seem like a particularly hard fan to please, not that in itself is either a good or bad thing. People just have different tastes, that´s all.

different tastes of course but foremost different expectations. Compared to the potential of the source materials all the above listed films failed (not only) in visual execution.

[neobido9999]

[QUOTE]http://batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

Ledger on The Joker & Bale: No To The Same "Old Road"
Author: Jett
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:17 AM: Heath Ledger actually "F'n HATES" comic book movies, but he digs The Joker. Read more (via DARK HORIZONS:

"I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb. [QUOTE]

Lets be honest chums, there are a lot of crap comic books/comic book films. A lot.

He sounds like he's going to do a good job, obviously looking for something more than just a comic book flick, and, yet again, highly impressed with Nolan

[ultimatefan]

different tastes of course but foremost different expectations. Compared to the potential of the source materials all the above listed films failed in visual execution.
Well, it also depends on how each one perceives the materials. I notice some fans dislike a lot certain aspects of these movies that actually can be found quite a bit in the comic books. All these characters have had different takes over the years.

[Cinemaman]

Comic book movies, which sucked (IMO):
- Fantastic Four
- Batman&Robin
- Catwoman
- Superman IV
- Superman III
- Batman Forever
- Elektra
- Daredevil
- Hellboy
- Spawn
- Hulk
- The Punisher
- Supergirl
- Swamp Thing
- Swamp Thing 2

Comic book movies, which ruled (again IMO)
- Batman Begins
- Spidey 2
- Superman Returns
- Superman: The Movie
- Batman Returns
- Batman'89
- Spidey 1
- X-Men
- X2
- Superman II
- Sin City
- The Mask

12 good movies and 15 bad, so I'd agree with Ledger about this.

Superhero movies are predictable, a bit boring, but some of them look very good.

[neobido9999]

[QUOTE=zer00]
But the fact he finds them boring is hilarious to me. I mean...he starred in Brokeback Mountain.

[QUOTE]

WHat a strange comment. Are you a republican?

[neobido9999]

Comic book movies, which sucked (IMO):
- Fantastic Four
- Batman&Robin
- Catwoman
- Superman IV
- Superman III
- Batman Forever
- Elektra
- Daredevil
- Hellboy
- Spawn
- Hulk
- The Punisher
- Supergirl
- Swamp Thing
- Swamp Thing 2

Comic book movies, which ruled (again IMO)
- Batman Begins
- Spidey 2
- Superman Returns
- Superman: The Movie
- Batman Returns
- Batman'89
- Spidey 1
- X-Men
- X2
- Superman II
- Sin City
- Mask

12 good movies and 14 bad, so I'd agree with Ledger about this.

Superhero movies are predictable, a bit boring, but some of them look very good.

Good comic book movies:

Batman Begins
Superman
Spiderman 2

Bad Comic Book Movies
- Fantastic Four
- Batman&Robin
- Catwoman
- Superman IV
- Superman III
- Batman Forever
- Elektra
- Daredevil
- Hellboy
- Spawn
- Hulk
- The Punisher
- Supergirl
- Swamp Thing
- Swamp Thing 2
- Batman Returns
- Batman'89
- X-Men
- X2
- Superman II
- Sin City
- Mask

Bsically Ledger is saying he doens't want this to be some tie-in, officail computer game-ised, happy meal friendly, genre movie crap. He wants it to be *gasp& a real movie

He rules.

[ultimatefan]

No offense. Not saying I don't believe the Ledge, but we have no idea if he ACTUALLY likes BB. And if I disliked BB but got offered to play the Joker and the last perosn to play him as Jack Nicholson? I'd take it:o
I´m not sure what you mean. If it were, like, PR crap, hed´have to remember that a lot of Batman fans also enjoy other comic book movies. The guy says he likes BB, and it´s not like he´s desperate for work after being nominated for an Oscar for a successful movie.

[The Kid]

imo Spiderman fell apart in the opening credits compared to Begins:oldrazz: .

owned.

And true. Those credits put me to sleep every time.

[The Bruce]

And I thought the whole movie was excellent.

Besides, if we look at other superhero movies (like Spider-man for example), there is more lameness than in BB.

Spider-man 2 while having great fight scenes bored the ***** outta me :csad:

[Bad Superman]

http://batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

Ledger on The Joker & Bale: No To The Same "Old Road"
Author: Jett
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:17 AM: Heath Ledger actually "F'n HATES" comic book movies, but he digs The Joker. Read more (via DARK HORIZONS:

"I actually hate comic book movies, like f***ing hate them, they just bore me sh**less and they're just dumb. But I thought what Chris Nolan did with was actually really good, really well directed, and Christian Bale was really great in it."

"He's going to be really sinister and it's going to be less about his laugh and his pranks and more about just him being a just a f***ing sinister guy."

[Asked if he decides to do a big movie like this, because of agent pressure.] "I'm sure they're super happy that I'm doing this [THE DARK KNIGHT], because this is the first time I've really kind of taken something like that, so they're over the moon. [B]But I think it's just going to be a really fun experience, and I love to dress up and wear a mask."

[How will his Joker look?] "I've seen a few interesting designs on the look and I think that it's going to look pretty cool."

Thanks to "Brock" for the lead...

original source: :http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/ledger.php

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I really hope he was talking about make up and prosthetics. . . .

[The Bruce]

http://dojak.net/blogpix/homo.jpg

Have you ever pranced in the moonshine?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm not even going to ask where you got that.......

[El Payaso]

True. But I like the way ledger owned all comic book fans. He didn't just say he don't read the comics, he said he f-ing hates them and thinks they are boring and dumb. Now that is LEDGEOWNED!

???

Ok: I actually hate Ledger movies, like f***ing hate him, he just bores me sh**less and he's just dumb.

I guess under your perspective I owned Ledger? Poor.

What I got from his comment was basically "All other comic films sucked, compared to Batman Begins," which is why he took the part.

It is such a predictable thing to say for an actor; 'Oh I hate all directors but THIS ONE is the best ever and more interesting', 'I don't like children movies buty THIS ONE is going to blow you people away.' It's the classic goody goody thing to say to kiss the a**es of the ones who are hiring you. I'm used that many actors and directors do this with their movies and roles, but this guy took that crap to another level.

Batman Begins is a film based on a comic book hero, not so much a "comic book film," in that it refrains from being overly cliche' and hokey.

BB is as cliché as any other superhero movie, with love interest, half movie for oprigin half movie for the first case, the wise moral line 'why do we fall?', the girl knowing the secret identity near the ending, the villiain gasing people and calling 'gentlemen' to his henchmen, bad one-liners, etc, etc, etc. In BB case I can't say there's ANYTHING wrong with that, but it's not like BB is totally atypical respect of clichés.

He hates comic book movies, BUT he liked BB and that is why he wants to play Joker. And guys, lets talk seriously, there is great number os superhero movies, which sucked.

And so many which doesn't suck. It's not like he said 'some movies' or even 'most movies.'

He isn't going to show off another Nicholson's Joker. He wants to create a new version, which wasn't shown earlier.

But that's basically what every actor and director wants to do, or at least what they always say.

Bsically Ledger is saying he doens't want this to be some tie-in, officail computer game-ised, happy meal friendly, genre movie crap. He wants it to be *gasp& a real movie

He rules.

Not all comic movies are like that.

Basically every person - fans specially - think they are the only persons to know exactly how to do the perfect movie. Since we all think that it is so pretentious to state it publicly.

Not even one person here has posted a list of all superhero movies except BB, saying 'this is the list of comic book movies I hate.' If somebody does it would be really stupid to come here everyday to start with... or for that mater, to accept a role in one of those 'despicable' movies. He rules idiotville.


http://dojak.net/blogpix/homo.jpg

Have you ever pranced in the moonshine?

Now THAT's owning. Literally :D

[Hades]

**** it takes the smallest thing to get you guys all neurotic.
Agreed. They're like the munchins in the Wizard of Oz

You people need to stop taking everything so literal.

[Poetic Chaos]

Perfect post El Payaso.

[darknight7]

if he was going to be wearing an actual mask, they wouldn't have cast Heath Ledger.

nicely said:)

--dk7

[darknight7]

He's supposed to be sinister through his pranks and laugh. Might as well just call him Jack rather than Joker the way Ledger makes the character out to be.

Ya I know, I hate how they are saying that he isn't going to be a laugher or a prankster.

Because the point is, the Joker is suposed to find fun in his own sick ways. So if he is just a clown who kills, that sucks. He has to smile, he has to laugh, he has to extremely enjoy his kills. He has to have fun, and enjoy watch people die, blow up, spray blood, burn. etc. He is sick, psychotic. He is a NUT! Not some clown who murders, he is a clown who ENJOYS murder.

--dk7

[zer00]

WHat a strange comment. Are you a republican?

Are you an idiot?

I´m not sure what you mean. If it were, like, PR crap, hed´have to remember that a lot of Batman fans also enjoy other comic book movies. The guy says he likes BB, and it´s not like he´s desperate for work after being nominated for an Oscar for a successful movie.

The thing that gets me. Is Ledger says he hates all comic book movies. Now suddenly(not everyone, it's a very small minorty) are saying "Yeah most comic book movies do suck."

[Gold Samurai]

I have a feeling were gonna get more vocal quotes from ledger.................



http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3521/untitledtq7.jpg


now wheres that picture of a group of fans......... :D


Michelle williams and ledger make a good harley quinn and joker

[zer00]

If Joker was a bit overweight and was drunk.

[Cinemaman]

It is such a predictable thing to say for an actor; 'Oh I hate all directors but THIS ONE is the best ever and more interesting', 'I don't like children movies buty THIS ONE is going to blow you people away.' It's the classic goody goody thing to say to kiss the a**es of the ones who are hiring you. I'm used that many actors and directors do this with their movies and roles, but this guy took that crap to another level.

Actually, BB was really very good movie and I doubt Ledger is one of actors, who do this. Besides, I also can understand why you are so negative about this interview, and you know why? Because you don't like everything, what has any connection with BB. Isn't this tuth?


BB is as cliché as any other superhero movie, with love interest, half movie for oprigin half movie for the first case, the wise moral line 'why do we fall?', the girl knowing the secret identity near the ending, the villiain gasing people and calling 'gentlemen' to his henchmen, bad one-liners, etc, etc, etc. In BB case I can't say there's ANYTHING wrong with that, but it's not like BB is totally atypical respect of clichés.

No, no! BB had one thing, which didn't have other superhero movie. It had much bigger speculation of psychological aspect in the movie. Besides, it had excellent cast and very good storytelling. At nowadays, you can find hundreds of people, who can say that BB was one of the best movies in it's genre aka superhero/comick book movie. Just look at other superhero movies. They didn't have this.


And so many which doesn't suck. It's not like he said 'some movies' or even 'most movies.'

Well, as I said, there are more bad than good comic book movies. BTW, he explained why he doesn't like comic book movies. And you know why? Because of predictable and boring storytelling, which didn't have BB.


But that's basically what every actor and director wants to do, or at least what they always say.

Yep, but the difference is in Nolan. He is one of directors, who do what they say. The same can go to Ledger and his take on the role (A Clockwork Orange Joker? Hell Yeah! :up:).

[Spidey_Zombie]

I *****ing hate Gay Ledger... But i'll still be seeing this movie probally. :oldrazz:

[darknight7]

I think Ledger should read Arkham Asylym and The Killing Joke. Obviously there is much more material, but those 2 books are incredible, especially in showing the Joker's sick and twisted personality.

--dk7

[HughJackFan420]

who thinks Heath Ledger should go F***!!!! himself for hating comic book movies??

[ultimatefan]

Actually, BB was really very good movie and I doubt Ledger is one of actors, who do this. Besides, I also can understand why you are so negative about this interview, and you know why? Because you don't like everything, what has any connection with BB. Isn't this tuth?



No, no! BB had one thing, which didn't have other superhero movie. It had much bigger speculation of psychological aspect in the movie. Besides, it had excellent cast and very good storytelling. At nowadays, you can find hundreds of people, who can say that BB was one of the best movies in it's genre aka superhero/comick book movie. Just look at other superhero movies. They didn't have this.



Well, as I said, there are more bad than good comic book movies. BTW, he explained why he doesn't like comic book movies. And you know why? Because of predictable and boring storytelling, which didn't have BB.



Yep, but the difference is in Nolan. He is one of directors, who do what they say. The same can go to Ledger and his take on the role (A Clockwork Orange Joker? Hell Yeah! :up:).
Don´t bother, the guy even admits to be here for trolling.

[LadyVader]

Could everybody just stop talking trash about comic book movies. God. Comic book movies are one thing and superhero movies are another thing entirely. There are comic book movies that are not superhero related and there are superhero movies that are NOT comic book based. Saying they all suck is ignorant and intolerant, no matter what spin you put on it. I don't want Ledger to change his opinions, they're his opinions. All i want him to do is show a little respect to the fanbase, which has been pretty accepting of him.

[Shedhut]

Well, it also depends on how each one perceives the materials. I notice some fans dislike a lot certain aspects of these movies that actually can be found quite a bit in the comic books. All these characters have had different takes over the years.

i understand and agree with what you say. But I think you can also agree with me when I say that all these movies failed to translate the mood of their roots correctly.
i.e. I missed the iconic shots of Batman in Begins. What came close was Bats sittin on the skyscraper. nevertheless the shot didnt come close to something like :http://www.albertmoy.com/Images/Category_2/subcat_553/Thumbs/lee%20batman%20illus%20roof.jpg at all. And it would have been possible. I got the chills once when I saw it on the Smallville preview but not a second time throughout the whole film. Furthermore Begins seemed too patched together imo.

[Katsuro]

Rawr!! This guy has differnt opinions on me about movies!! He sucks!!! He was in a gay movie!!!

^That's you guys.

[Spidey_Zombie]

Rawr!! This guy has differnt opinions on me about movies!! He sucks!!! He was in a gay movie!!!

^That's you guys.
Your point being? :huh:

[El Payaso]

Actually, BB was really very good movie and I doubt Ledger is one of actors, who do this. Besides, I also can understand why you are so negative about this interview, and you know why? Because you don't like everything, what has any connection with BB. Isn't this tuth?

???

Let's see, I state that what Ledger said was very bootlicker and you go 'BB is so good, you are a negative guy.' ??? What does BB to do with this?

1.- I haven't being negative at all about TDK and never have been. If you don't like people who talks about BB's flaws, get used to real life.
2.- I have stated in numberless threads and posts how good BB is in spite of flaws.

Your words show this projection case of yours; I haven't been negative on TDK movie - just on Ledger attitude - but you claim I have been, that way you can focus on your hatred against people who disagree with you. So, you hate - and make this personal - but call other people haters.

No, no! BB had one thing, which didn't have other superhero movie. It had much bigger speculation of psychological aspect in the movie. Besides, it had excellent cast and very good storytelling. At nowadays, you can find hundreds of people, who can say that BB was one of the best movies in it's genre aka superhero/comick book movie. Just look at other superhero movies. They didn't have this.

BB had all what you say and even more. But clichés too, which was my only point.

I quote myself on this: "In BB case I can't say there's ANYTHING wrong with that, but it's not like BB is totally atypical respect of clichés." - how negative dude! :joker:

Again lots of words as a smokescreen couldn't hide the fact you couldn't prove me wrong.

Well, as I said, there are more bad than good comic book movies. BTW, he explained why he doesn't like comic book movies. And you know why? Because of predictable and boring storytelling, which didn't have BB.

I agree, there are far more bad superhero movies than good. Your point?

Here's mine: you can't go and work in a comic book movie but disrespect the very genre - and in passing the fans of that genre - by saying that all of those movies suck big time and adorning that baseless words with some cursewords. No matter how many comic book movies suck, you don't disrespect the whole genre with vulgarities specially when you're working in that very genre. That makes him a cynical.

Yep, but the difference is in Nolan. He is one of directors, who do what they say. The same can go to Ledger and his take on the role (A Clockwork Orange Joker? Hell Yeah! :up:).

Yeah, Nolan is very much like that. Too bad we were specfically talking about Ledger, not Nolan at all. Smokescreen again.

And Ledger can quote Orange Clockwork or 2001 if he wants. Any artist words worth nothing (unless you're a writer) but his actual work. How many terrible directors that gave us terrible superhero movies talked a lot about how great his movie and characters were - supposedly - going to be? Easiest thing on Earth to state your work's gonna be awesome.


EDITED for crappy grammar.

[Boom]

Here's something I thought was interesting in the interview. Prior to his comments about The Joker, Ledger had this to say:

""Matilda is just awesome and being a father has also helped me become even more selective now with work because for me, to go away from home for a day, let alone five, is tough.""

"But he also admits almost shyly, that his nomination has opened up even more doors."

""I think there’s a new level of interest kind of thing but I haven’t really acted on it, since the only thing I’ve really done since is this Todd Haynes film and The Joker.""

He admits that despite being offered alot of roles now that he is an oscar nominee, he is extremely selective of his projects because of family. However, of all the roles he's been offered, one of the two he chose happens to be The Joker.

That's a bit comforting.

[Shedhut]

Here's something I thought was interesting in the interview. Prior to his comments about The Joker, Ledger had this to say:

""Matilda is just awesome and being a father has also helped me become even more selective now with work because for me, to go away from home for a day, let alone five, is tough.""

"But he also admits almost shyly, that his nomination has opened up even more doors."

""I think there’s a new level of interest kind of thing but I haven’t really acted on it, since the only thing I’ve really done since is this Todd Haynes film and The Joker.""

He admits that despite being offered alot of roles now that he is an oscar nominee, he is extremely selective of his projects because of family. However, of all the roles he's been offered, one of the two he chose happens to be The Joker.

That's a bit comforting.

That proves just how much the role means to him. He could just say screw you because he wouldnt loose any reputation but he treats the film as an high-class project.
btw Kinski almost hated each production he worked in but gave many of the best performances on film (not that I think this is a reasonable comparison;))

[Seen]

Whoa, so many people hating superheroe movies are becoming members of a site devoted to superhero movies or making big roles in superhero movies.

I only post in the forums of superhero movies that I actually like. :oldrazz:

[El Payaso]

^ Ok, I still admire your self-sacrifice feeling.

[batman44]

A little more from Ledger, I wonder what plan they have for the Joker.
http://batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

[Cinemaman]

???

Let's see, I state that what Ledger said was very bootlicker and you go 'BB is so good, you are a negative guy.' ??? What does BB to do with this?

1.- I haven't being negative at all about TDK and never have been. If you don't like people who talks about BB's flaws, get used to real life.
2.- I have stated in numberless threads and posts how good BB is in spite of flaws.

Your words show this projection case of yours; I haven't been negative on TDK movie - just on Ledger attitude - but you claim I have been, that way you can focus on your hatred against people who disagree with you. So, you hate - and make this personal - but call other people haters.


Uhh, no. But after reeading every your new post, you just sound like man, who hated BB.

Besides, I like to listen different opinions. That doesn't mean, that I can't argue with people, who have them.



BB had all what you say and even more. But clichés too, which was my only point.

I quote myself on this: "In BB case I can't say there's ANYTHING wrong with that, but it's not like BB is totally atypical respect of clichés." - how negative dude! :joker:

Again lots of words as a smokescreen couldn't hide the fact you couldn't prove me wrong.



If you re-watch movies other superhero movies, you'll find even more cliche's scenes.


I agree, there are far more bad superhero movies than good. Your point?

Here's mine: you can't go and work in a comic book movie but disrespect the very genre - and in passing the fans of that genre - by saying that all of those movies suck big time and adorning that baseless words with some cursewords. No matter how many comic book movies suck, you don't disrespect the whole genre with vulgarities specially when you're working in that very genre. That makes him a cynical.


If he said that all comic book movies sucked, then yes. BUT he mentione BB as the only one good movie among others. This is his personal opinion, not start of promoting TDK.


Yeah, Nolan is very much like that. Too bad we were specfically talking about Ledger, not Nolan at all. Smokescreen again.

And Ledger can quote Orange Clockwork or 2001 if he wants. Any artist words worth nothing (unless you're a writer) but his actual work. How many terrible directors that gave us terrible superhero movies talked a lot about how great his movie and characters were - supposedly - going to be? Easiest thing on Earth to state your work's gonna be awesome.


EDITED for crappy grammar.

Uhh, as I said, Nolan has already proved himself as director with right choices of actor for roles in his movies.

Ratner didn't do this (X3 was his 1st superhero movie), Story didn't do this and Scumacher didn't do this.

[Boom]

Here's the MSN article that batman44 just posted:
It's Ledger's next role as Batman's nemesis The Joker in Chris Nolan's "The Dark Knight" that has fanboys' tongues wagging. Ledger says he hasn't paid attention to the scuttlebutt on the Web about his casting and wasn't that surprised to get the offer from Nolan.

"When he explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that,'" Ledger says. "[Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister, and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a mask is always exciting to me."

[BATMAN (1989)] was dominated by Jack Nicholson's acclaimed performance as the psychotic villain, but Ledger isn't intimidated by his predecessor's turn.

"I love, love, love what Nicholson did," Ledger says. "[But] his performance was catering to the style of directing the movie was made under. It was a Tim Burton film. It wasn't Chris Nolan."

[ultimatefan]

Which is what he was saying, that Jack played well what he was given to play, but they want to do something different.

[El Payaso]

Uhh, no. But after reeading every your new post, you just sound like man, who hated BB.

Link me please. I have never stated I hate or dislike BB. Just that it had flaws that ruined a part of it for me. Other than that it's you trying to push the hatred into the argument.

Besides, I like to listen different opinions. That doesn't mean, that I can't argue with people, who have them.

Then please refer to the points and arguments, not the person.

If you re-watch movies other superhero movies, you'll find even more cliche's scenes.

Lots more.

And still it wasn't my point at all - I didn't say BB has more clichés but just that BB has the usual kind of clichés - so this is useless.

If he said that all comic book movies sucked, then yes. BUT he mentione BB as the only one good movie among others. This is his personal opinion, not start of promoting TDK.

Yes. What a cosmic coincidence he said this right after he was hired to be in a comic book movie.

Uhh, as I said, Nolan has already proved himself as director with right choices of actor for roles in his movies.

Yes baby. I was talking about Ledger.

Ratner didn't do this (X3 was his 1st superhero movie), Story didn't do this and Scumacher didn't do this.

Once again, I admit Nolan is like that and I have never questioned it. I just said that everyone talks like that and therefore someone like Ledger saying something means nothing until is done.

[DorkyFresh]

i.e. I missed the iconic shots of Batman in Begins. What came close was Bats sittin on the skyscraper. nevertheless the shot didnt come close to something like

you missed these shots?
http://www.batmanunmasked.com/albums/userpics/10001/18411591.jpg
http://www.batmanunmasked.com/albums/userpics/10001/bb_us3rdtvspot004.jpg

the 2nd one is kinda hard to see but it's the shot of Batman clinging to the side of a building with his cape flowing everywhere. that's 3 iconic shots in the movie. how many more do you need?

[Cinemaman]

Link me please. I have never stated I hate or dislike BB. Just that it had flaws that ruined a part of it for me. Other than that it's you trying to push the hatred into the argument.

From what I read, you hate almost every aspect in this movie. But I can be wrong, and you just don't like them.



Then please refer to the points and arguments, not the person.



I was arguing with you, but now it just sound like argue with you as the main toppic of it.


Lots more.

And still it wasn't my point at all - I didn't say BB has more clichés but just that BB has the usual kind of clichés - so this is useless.


Yes, BB has them. But as I said, BB has more positive aspects than any another superhero movie IMO.


Yes. What a cosmic coincidence he said this right after he was hired to be in a comic book movie.


Oh, so you wanted to hear this from him 2-3 years ago, right? :rolleyes:


Yes baby. I was talking about Ledger.

Uhh... You know what... Nevermind, you won't even understand this.


Once again, I admit Nolan is like that and I have never questioned it. I just said that everyone talks like that and therefore someone like Ledger saying something means nothing until is done.

Ledger just put in that interview his thoughts and what Joker we are going to see. He also said that after talking with Nolan he understood and was agreed with his vision.

The same was with Bale.

[El Payaso]

From what I read, you hate almost every aspect in this movie. But I can be wrong, and you just don't like them.

So can I accuse you back of hating some movie you never stated to hate and you'd be ok?

I was arguing with you, but now it just sound like argue with you as the main toppic of it.

I stated what I thought of Ledger words and you went calling me a BB hater out of the blue. You paved this way now you seem uncomfortable with it.

Yes, BB has them.

That was my only point. It took you 24 hours to admit I was right.

Oh, so you wanted to hear this from him 2-3 years ago, right? :rolleyes:

As most people here I'm not ionterested in his opinions but just his job.
Now IF he's gonna say something he should learn some manners before insulting a genre and his fans.

Uhh... You know what... Nevermind, you won't even understand this.

You probably think that sounds cool. But yes, nice way to avoid answer and sound cool.

Ledger just put in that interview his thoughts and what Joker we are going to see. He also said that after talking with Nolan he understood and was agreed with his vision.

The same was with Bale.

And that doesn't guarrantee a good result. Same was with Bale. Bale's work did guarrantee a good result, not his words.

[ultimatefan]

So can I accuse you back of hating some movie you never stated to hate and you'd be ok?



I stated what I thought of Ledger words and you went calling me a BB hater out of the blue. You paved this way now you seem uncomfortable with it.



That was my only point. It took you 24 hours to admit I was right.



As most people here I'm not ionterested in his opinions but just his job.
Now IF he's gonna say something he should learn some manners before insulting a genre and his fans.


You probably think that sounds cool. But yes, nice way to avoid answer and sound cool.



And that doesn't guarrantee a good result. Same was with Bale. Bale's work did guarrantee a good result, not his words.
If you´re not interested in the guy´s opinion, only his job, why don´t you wait for his job and ignore his opinions? I´d say most people here are very interested in his opinions and, from your constant posting, so seems to be you.

[Cinemaman]

So can I accuse you back of hating some movie you never stated to hate and you'd be ok?



I stated what I thought of Ledger words and you went calling me a BB hater out of the blue. You paved this way now you seem uncomfortable with it.



That was my only point. It took you 24 hours to admit I was right.



As most people here I'm not ionterested in his opinions but just his job.
Now IF he's gonna say something he should learn some manners before insulting a genre and his fans.



You probably think that sounds cool. But yes, nice way to avoid answer and sound cool.



And that doesn't guarrantee a good result. Same was with Bale. Bale's work did guarrantee a good result, not his words.

Sigh.

Give me a break.

I didn't want to sound cool, jeez, dude, you should better calm down.

Were you in the future? Will he pull it off? All he said was "Joker will be..." and that is his vision. He just told what to expect from it.

And the same can happen with Ledger.

If it was just promoting, then why didn't he say that he loved comic books?

I think you are very pesimistic or even moody to TDK.

Why I think so?

Well, everything what you said is just the way to explain that you didn't like BB (oh c'mon, if you didn't like almost all aspects in this movie, I doubt you liked it so much) and you don't expect something good from it's sequels.

Also, you protect Burton's movies just like I do this with Nolan's. But I just say that for me Burton's also had some positive aspects (if it isn't true, then why I gave both his movies 8 out of 10).

[LadyVader]

An opinion can be expressed in many ways. Compare: "I've never thought I'd do a comic book movie. They are just not my favourite genre. I don't happen to enjoy them as much as other movies. Batman begins is the exception. I liked what Nolan did with it."
to
"I f***ing hate comic book movies. They bore the s**t out of me. But I liked what Nolan did with Batman Begins".

[El Payaso]

If you´re not interested in the guy´s opinion, only his job, why don´t you wait for his job and ignore his opinions?

Because he was insulting to comic book genre and his fans.

I´d say most people here are very interested in his opinions and, from your constant posting, so seems to be you.

At least mot people say they want to see the results more than words.

Once again, I'm interested in answering his insulting words. When he had said that Joker will be more dark I haven't said a thing except - maybe - that I think that sounds great.

[Fenrir]

If you´re not interested in the guy´s opinion, only his job, why don´t you wait for his job and ignore his opinions? I´d say most people here are very interested in his opinions and, from your constant posting, so seems to be you.

Let's not forget what Marlon Brando thought of his role in Superman. When all is said and done, the only thing that ultimately matters is the performances and the final product.

[Cinemaman]

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[El Payaso]

Sigh.

Give me a break.

I didn't want to sound cool, jeez, dude, you should better calm down.

Stop accusing me of being a hater when I am not and we'll see.

Were you in the future? Will he pull it off? All he said was "Joker will be..." and that is his vision. He just told what to expect from it.

Don't you think to state 'will be' is pretty much to think you have been in the future?

I think you are very pesimistic or even moody to TDK.

Why I think so?

Well, everything what you said is just the way to explain that you didn't like BB (oh c'mon, if you didn't like almost all aspects in this movie, I doubt you liked it so much) and you don't expect something good from it's sequels.

Link me to where I have been pessimistic about TDK or stop making accusations.

Also, you protect Burton's movies just like I do this with Nolan's.

And this says it all.

Since YOU are like this with Nolan you immediatelly assume everybody is like you and therefore you can accuse and make statements about what I think, love and hate, instead arguing the points on the movies.

Ledger words are insulting, I don't know what he meant and can't say what he was thinking, but he was insulting in his words, which anyone can read.

If I state that and have Ledger's wn words to back myself up, you can't reply saying I hate BB or TDK, etc, since I have never said/wrote those words.

[Superman Prime]

An opinion can be expressed in many ways. Compare: "I've never thought I'd do a comic book movie. They are just not my favourite genre. I don't happen to enjoy them as much as other movies. Batman begins is the exception. I liked what Nolan did with it."
to
"I f***ing hate comic book movies. They bore the s**t out of me. But I liked what Nolan did with Batman Begins".

The impression I got from reading it, fell somewhere in between the two options you stated.

[Cinemaman]

Stop accusing me of being a hater when I am not and we'll see.



What? :eek: I am not trying to say this. Oh my god, I really need a break.


Don't you think to state 'will be' is pretty much to think you have been in the future?


What? I've just given you this question.


Link me to where I have been pessimistic about TDK or stop making accusations.


You are now. You are saying that Ledger is just trying to promote TDK. Also, as I remember, you said that you don't like Nolan's take on Batman with this "realism". I can go on, but I just don't want to have a waste of time.


And this says it all.

Since YOU are like this with Nolan you immediatelly assume everybody is like you and therefore you can accuse and make statements about what other people think, love and hate, instead arguing the points on the movies.

Ledger words are insulting, I don't know what he meant and can't say what he was thinking, but he was insulting in his words, which anyone can read.

If I state that and have Ledger's wn words to back myself up, you can't reply saying I hate BB or TDK, etc, since I have never said/wrote those words.

Sigh.

I have already said that I am listening to opinions of other posters. I am not so pro-fan like you are. I am not trying to change everyone's opinion. It is just argue and that's all.

You see this now. Yeah, he was so, but again, he said truth. He isn't another guy, who will be saing something like "I like comic book movie and this one will be the best one".

Yeas, you didn't. BUT you SOUND like you DIDN'T (not hate) LIKE them and don't see anything positive.

You prefer more Burton's take and that is enough to understand you.

[Vile]

I dont care if he hates comic book movies, or he considers them the Second Coming of Christ...

As long as he and Nolan bring us a great Joker...party on.

One has NOTHING to do with the other. Dont take it personal, guys.

[ultimatefan]

Because he was insulting to comic book genre and his fans.



At least mot people say they want to see the results more than words.

Once again, I'm interested in answering his insulting words. When he had said that Joker will be more dark I haven't said a thing except - maybe - that I think that sounds great.
No, he said what he likes and what he doesn´t, which he´s entitled to. Disliking a type of movie has nothing to do with insult.

[El Payaso]

What? :eek: I am not trying to say this. Oh my god, I really need a break.

Don't what? me. As a reply to my opinion on Ledger's words you push this BB - unexistant - hatred. Cheap.

You are now. You are saying that Ledger is just trying to promote TDK. Also, as I remember, you said that you don't like Nolan's take on Batman with this "realism". I can go on, but I just don't want to have a waste of time.

And this is THE FIRST time I say something negative - and NOT about TDK but Ledger's words.

So, it's no excuse to state I have an historial of BB and TDK hatred.

I refer to my expresions on 'realism' below.

I have already said that I am listening to opinions of other posters. I am not so pro-fan like you are. I am not trying to change everyone's opinion. It is just argue and that's all.

And I'm defending myself and trying to keep the debate on what Leger said and not in who hates what movie. I was trying to keep it on-topic and not personal.

You see this now. Yeah, he was so, but again, he said truth. He isn't another guy, who will be saing something like "I like comic book movie and this one will be the best one".

I'm not against him saying he doesn't like comic book movies but please do it in a non insulting way.

Yeas, you didn't. BUT you SOUND like you DIDN'T (not hate) LIKE them and don't see anything positive.

ALL I have said about realism in BB is that there's no such thing as realism in BB but a serious tone, which i cannot see as a sign of hatred or 'not liking' something, but to put the right word where it belongs.

By saying things like having clichés in BB was nothing wrong I think I prove I'm not hating everything in BB, since I didn't call that a 'negative thing'. YOU were the one understanding that as a negative thing IN SPITE I specifically said it wasn't. Your problem, not mine.

I state there WERE clichés, opposite to 'there weren't' as you said. At most it shows that I can be objective enough to point out a flaw without saying the movie is bad.

You prefer more Burton's take and that is enough to understand you.

No. That's your personal excuse to call me hater and discredit my words based on prejudice. Hater, burtonite, whatever it serves you better.

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Look, I will be honest with you and I'll say that I am tired with you.

It just looks like you didn't read what I wrote.

And ultimatefan was right, now I can understand him.

[Superman Prime]

*And it was at this point, that Cinamaman discovered he had been PWNED by a troll*

[Cinemaman]

*And it was at this point, that Cinamaman discovered he had been PWNED by a troll*

What?

If I am tired to repeat one and another thing 100 times to the guy, who doesn't want to read what I am writing, it doesn't mean I loose this argue.

[Infinity9999x]

"He's going to be really sinister and it's going to be less about his laugh and his pranks and more about just him being a just a f***ing sinister guy."



This comment still scares me a bit. Everytime I read it I keep getting the feeling that they won't show much of the Joker's crazy personality. Yes he is a sinister guy, but you have to have the laugh and the pranks, or else it's not the Joker, it's just another bad guy who likes to kill people.

[Thespiralgoeson]

I'm with Ledger. I hate comic book movies. I f***ing hate them. They bore the ***** outta me! :p

[Boom]

And they're just dumb.

[raybia]

New from BOF


Ledger on The Joker -- Again!
Author: Jett
Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:34 PM: After being silent for about a month since word broke that he’d been cast as The Joker in THE DARK KNIGHT, Heath Ledger has talked quite a bit about nabbing the part here of late. Here’s the latest from MSN.COM:

It's Ledger's next role as Batman's nemesis The Joker in Chris Nolan's "The Dark Knight" that has fanboys' tongues wagging. Ledger says he hasn't paid attention to the scuttlebutt on the Web about his casting and wasn't that surprised to get the offer from Nolan.


"When he explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that,'" Ledger says. "[Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister, and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a mask is always exciting to me."

[BATMAN (1989)] was dominated by Jack Nicholson's acclaimed performance as the psychotic villain, but Ledger isn't intimidated by his predecessor's turn.

"I love, love, love what Nicholson did," Ledger says. "[But] his performance was catering to the style of directing the movie was made under. It was a Tim Burton film. It wasn't Chris Nolan."

Got a little plan for him eh? Can't wait to see what it is...

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

[Dark Knight]

I dont care if he hates comic book movies, or he considers them the Second Coming of Christ...

As long as he and Nolan bring us a great Joker...party on.

One has NOTHING to do with the other. Dont take it personal, guys.


Exactly.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Any opportunity to don a mask is always exciting to me."


Better get ready for the barage of posts screaming that the Joker doesn't wear a mask...

[raybia]

Better get ready for the barage of posts screaming that the Joker doesn't wear a mask...


Well, its hard to imagine that Nolan would be that stupid and especially with Goyer by his side to have the Joker wear a mask of some sort...unless he is incorporating in some of the Red Hood origin.

That would be the only acceptable thing.

Personally, I think its just an expression that Ledger is using.

[HalloweenRes]

You know, Ledger has mentioned the "Mask" issue again this week. According to Batman on Film, Ledger has said, and I quote, "When he [Nolan] explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that...' [Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a MASK is always exciting to me."
Ok, he has stated TWICE now about wearing a "MASK." Now, I don't know about all of you, but it sounds like he will be wearing a MASK at some point in the movie.. And please correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't read many comics.. did when I was younger though), but didn't Joker start out as a character called, "The Red Hood??" Perhaps Nolan and company is going to incorporate the Joker's origin in there somehow. Who knows. Just some food for thought. However, as I stated, I do believe that Ledger is talking about a literal mask. Again, he might not be, but he has now mentioned the mask TWICE... Guess we will have to wait and see.
On the subject of him not being a comic book movie fan, who cares? I mean, sure, it doesn't sound good when an actor says he "f***ing hates comic book movies", but that is how he feels. I think he could have just said, "I don't care for comic book movies" but hey, as long as he portrays a sinister, psychotic, bad ass Joker, then who cares what he thinks??
Jason B.

[raybia]

You know, Ledger has mentioned the "Mask" issue again this week. According to Batman on Film, Ledger has said, and I quote, "When he [Nolan] explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that...' [Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a MASK is always exciting to me."
Ok, he has stated TWICE now about wearing a "MASK." Now, I don't know about all of you, but it sounds like he will be wearing a MASK at some point in the movie.. And please correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't read many comics.. did when I was younger though), but didn't Joker start out as a character called, "The Red Hood??" Perhaps Nolan and company is going to incorporate the Joker's origin in there somehow. Who knows. Just some food for thought. However, as I stated, I do believe that Ledger is talking about a literal mask. Again, he might not be, but he has now mentioned the mask TWICE... Guess we will have to wait and see.
On the subject of him not being a comic book movie fan, who cares? I mean, sure, it doesn't sound good when an actor says he "f***ing hates comic book movies", but that is how he feels. I think he could have just said, "I don't care for comic book movies" but hey, as long as he portrays a sinister, psychotic, bad ass Joker, then who cares what he thinks??
Jason B.

You are right. He has mentioned it twice, so Ledger may be actually talking about a literal mask. If so, then it has to be related to his origins as the Red Hood, though at the end of BB, its confirms that he is already calling himself the Joker.

Again, I don't think Nolan is stupid enough to do something radically different from what has been portrayed in the comics, SO this will be rooted from the comics.

[El Payaso]

^^^

Look, I will be honest with you and I'll say that I am tired with you.

It just looks like you didn't read what I wrote.

And ultimatefan was right, now I can understand him.

You're just tired of your own game.

You accused me of being something I am not. Then you can't stand me proving you wrong on that.

Go and hide behind any member you choose.

[Retroman]

If Katie Holmes had said the same thing about comic book movies would people be defending her like they are Ledger? Honestly.

[Seen]

If Katie Holmes had said the same thing about comic book movies would people be defending her like they are Ledger? Honestly.

Well, for starters, Ledger is a respectable talent. On the other hand, Holmes isn't. People tend to take you more seriously when you actually contribute something to the field you work in.

[DA Harvey Dent]

People tend to take you more seriously when you actually contribute something to the field you work in.

In any other industry I would agree with this statement. But in acting, no freaking way. There are A list actors out there who have contributed nothing to the acting field yet are taken seriously enough to get projects financed by studios solely b/c their name is attached to that project. Lindsay Lohan immediately comes to mind.

[Shedhut]

Well, for starters, Ledger is a respectable talent. On the other hand, Holmes isn't. People tend to take you more seriously when you actually contribute something to the field you work in.

good choice of words and it is thats true indeed :woot:

[Seen]

In any other industry I would agree with this statement. But in acting, no freaking way. There are A list actors out there who have contributed nothing to the acting field yet are taken seriously enough to get projects financed by studios solely b/c their name is attached to that project. Lindsay Lohan immediately comes to mind.

By "people", I mean the posters on this forum. ;)

[DA Harvey Dent]

By "people", I mean the posters on this forum. ;)

Gotcha.

[Poetic Chaos]

This is the title of an article on IGN I found. It seems fitting for this thread.

Scarface Writer Not Sold on Movie Games
Of course, his game is awesome. It's the other ones you need to watch out for.

[Retroman]

Well, for starters, Ledger is a respectable talent. On the other hand, Holmes isn't. People tend to take you more seriously when you actually contribute something to the field you work in.
So you're basically you're saying that Ledger has contributed more to the acting than Holmes? Thats a fair point i guess.
And i agree that his words do hold more weight to the general audience now that he's an Oscar nominee and all but that doesn't mean i need to agree with him.Saying you hate comic book movies and signing on to star as one of the biggest villains depicted in those movies reeks of hypocracy.

I am more and more confident Ledger will do a good job and honestly like what both Nolan and he have said about what they want to do with the Joker in TDK. But his comment just doesn't really sit well with me.

I don't like war movies per se but there are good war movies out there, you know?

[Retroman]

"When he explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that,'" Ledger says. "[Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister, and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a mask is always exciting to me." [/B]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html
He needs to stop bringing up the mask thing. Its freeking people out.

[DA Harvey Dent]

He needs to stop bringing up the mask thing. Its freeking people out.

Maybe that's why he's doing it. He probably knows the fanboys will get their panties in a bunch and he's doing it to mess with them. Lord knows I would if I were in his position.

[chintai80]

Maybe that's why he's doing it. He probably knows the fanboys will get their panties in a bunch and he's doing it to mess with them. Lord knows I would if I were in his position.
Proves how much he fits the Joker's persona...a ****in' a**hole!!!

[Super_Ludacris]

Ledger made me laugh with those quotes. All he had to do was point at a fanboy and say I **** your mother and that would have sealed the deal.
I guess you gotta respect it, I like more than some dudes who say "Oh I have been a fan all my life, I read the comics growing up" (you dont have to say that..) or try to be vauge when your not sure about a comic book ( uhm.. I saw the cartoon...I didnt reeeally read the comic).
He just gave his opinon straight up. He was so matter of fact about it too. Seemed hilarous.

[Ambassador Sexy]

all the people dissing Ledger because he doesn't like comic movies are idiots. You think because he got cast in batman he has to love Hulk, Superman, DD etc. You think he has to sound like an appreciative little b**ch, kiss the ass of fanboys etc. Umm how about no. He's a an actor and a person and he's entitled to his opinions. he didn't have to do this film, he chose to do it because Chris Nolan didn't make a typical comic book movie(supposedley lol). So get off his back and don't whine like little babies anytime an actor shows anything less than 1000% admiration of the comic book movie world, cos hes right, most of them suck.

[Keyser Soze]

Why exactly are people jumping all over Heath Ledger for his comment? He's basically complimenting Chris Nolan by saying he hated comic book movies, but Chris Nolan's excellent work on "Batman Begins" totally changed his perspective. He likes Batman, he's excited about playing The Joker, what else do you want? Why is having "X-Men", "Spider-Man" and "Fantastic Four" on his top ten favourite movies list essential to his performance?

[Cinemaman]

You're just tired of your own game.

You accused me of being something I am not. Then you can't stand me proving you wrong on that.

Go and hide behind any member you choose.

What the game? Can you just stop saying this crap.

Sorry, but from what I remember, you always was against BB in argues. Maybe I am wrong though.

:huh:

[Cinemaman]

You are right. He has mentioned it twice, so Ledger may be actually talking about a literal mask. If so, then it has to be related to his origins as the Red Hood, though at the end of BB, its confirms that he is already calling himself the Joker.

Again, I don't think Nolan is stupid enough to do something radically different from what has been portrayed in the comics, SO this will be rooted from the comics.

Why I have feeling that it was just that part from previous interview with Ledger (when he 1st time mentioned this "mask")? Maybe he didn't even say this and that was something like 2nd part of interview, which had been changed into new one.

If they put there mask for Joker (like what we saw in V for Vendetta), then it will totaly suck.

If he talks about Red Hood, this also isn't so excellent news for me.

But if he again used "mask" with not literal meaning, then I am happy with this.

Don't think Nolan will be so unfaithful to comics this time (as he also wasn't during the making of BB).

[Cinemaman]

New from BOF


Ledger on The Joker -- Again!
Author: Jett
Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:34 PM: After being silent for about a month since word broke that he’d been cast as The Joker in THE DARK KNIGHT, Heath Ledger has talked quite a bit about nabbing the part here of late. Here’s the latest from MSN.COM:

It's Ledger's next role as Batman's nemesis The Joker in Chris Nolan's "The Dark Knight" that has fanboys' tongues wagging. Ledger says he hasn't paid attention to the scuttlebutt on the Web about his casting and wasn't that surprised to get the offer from Nolan.


"When he explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that,'" Ledger says. "[Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister, and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a mask is always exciting to me."

[BATMAN (1989)] was dominated by Jack Nicholson's acclaimed performance as the psychotic villain, but Ledger isn't intimidated by his predecessor's turn.

"I love, love, love what Nicholson did," Ledger says. "[But] his performance was catering to the style of directing the movie was made under. It was a Tim Burton film. It wasn't Chris Nolan."

Got a little plan for him eh? Can't wait to see what it is...

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

It sounds like he respects what Nicholson did, but he wants to show us a new Joker.

The same what Nolan says.

[Cinemaman]

Why exactly are people jumping all over Heath Ledger for his comment? He's basically complimenting Chris Nolan by saying he hated comic book movies, but Chris Nolan's excellent work on "Batman Begins" totally changed his perspective. He likes Batman, he's excited about playing The Joker, what else do you want? Why is having "X-Men", "Spider-Man" and "Fantastic Four" on his top ten favourite movies list essential to his performance?

True :up:

[Bad Superman]

He needs to stop bringing up the mask thing. Its freeking people out.


Yeah. . . I'm one of them. . . .

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[Mr. Thing]

There's a big chance he will wear a mask. But not V style, probably more like a mask that sticks to the skin. Not one that would be a mask in the sense of the movie.

[Seen]

So you're basically you're saying that Ledger has contributed more to the acting than Holmes? Thats a fair point i guess.
And i agree that his words do hold more weight to the general audience now that he's an Oscar nominee and all but that doesn't mean i need to agree with him.Saying you hate comic book movies and signing on to star as one of the biggest villains depicted in those movies reeks of hypocracy.

I am more and more confident Ledger will do a good job and honestly like what both Nolan and he have said about what they want to do with the Joker in TDK. But his comment just doesn't really sit well with me.

I don't like war movies per se but there are good war movies out there, you know?

Well, he did speak positively of BATMAN BEGINS. If he bashed that, then we'd really have reason to worry.

[Caliber]

Maybe that's why he's doing it. He probably knows the fanboys will get their panties in a bunch and he's doing it to mess with them. Lord knows I would if I were in his position.

Or they forgot Joker first appeared as the criminal Red mask.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Or they forgot Joker first appeared as the criminal Red mask.

That's probably because he never did appear as the Red Mask. He appeared as the Red Hood.

[ultimatefan]

If Katie Holmes had said the same thing about comic book movies would people be defending her like they are Ledger? Honestly.
Heh, if Glover or Bettany had been cast and said the same thing, a lot of the Ledger haters would be defending him.

What do you people actually care the guy isn´t into comic book movies in general? He´s not making a Spider-Man movie or an X-Men movie. He digs Nolan´s take on Batman movies and is working on them. Nobody has any obligation to like all comic book movies. Actually most people on these boards probably think most comic book-based movies suck - this is changing, but is still mostly true.

[Dark Knight]

all the people dissing Ledger because he doesn't like comic movies are idiots. You think because he got cast in batman he has to love Hulk, Superman, DD etc. You think he has to sound like an appreciative little b**ch, kiss the ass of fanboys etc. Umm how about no. He's a an actor and a person and he's entitled to his opinions. he didn't have to do this film, he chose to do it because Chris Nolan didn't make a typical comic book movie(supposedley lol). So get off his back and don't whine like little babies anytime an actor shows anything less than 1000% admiration of the comic book movie world, cos hes right, most of them suck.


Exactly ^

[Poetic Chaos]

Exactly ^

I don't like it because it's a typical promotion line.