A deeper dialogue...

[X-Maniac]

EXPANDED/ALTERED DIALOGUE:

When Jean is in the infirmary:
Xavier explains the mental blocks, then...
WOLVERINE: But what broke these blocks? How has she become dangerous, unstable?
STORM: Cyclops said she hadn't been the same since she was exposed to radiation from Magneto's machine at Liberty Island
XAVIER: That might have fully reactivated her mutation again, switching on the part of her I've been keeping suppressed, so that it started to break through the blocks. The Phoenix saved her, and now she's back. Like some kind of rebirth
STORM: Just like the Phoenix of myth.
XAVIER: And the Phoenix always wanted to be, that must be why that part of her personality chose that name, it knew it would one day be free
STORM: Then you knew ALL this?
XAVIER: I didn't know exactly what was going on. Jean and I have been working together for many years on giving her more more freedom with her powers, one step at a time. I felt Jean's presence after we thought she died - the impressions i got were jumbled, distant, like someone sleeping, dreaming, but the Phoenix hid itself well from me, it's incredibly powerful


When the cure is announced:
STORM: We're not a disease. etc
ROGUE; Is it true?
STORM: We don't know for sure Rogue. Look, I know it hasn't been easy for you, but don't get your hopes up yet. We don't know anything about this so-called cure. We don't know if it will work, what effects it might really have.
STORM (addressing everyone): We've fought so hard for our acceptance, not just to be at ease with ourselves but for society to allow us to exist. Surely they can't just do this, make us feel like we are an illness that has to be cured?
BEAST: You're right Ororo but it's not the same for all of us. I remember the days before I was like this (gestures at himself); life was much easier then.
STORM (to Rogue): There's nothing WRONG with you, nothing wrong with any of us for that matter. Give it some time and let's find out more before you go rushing in.


When Wolverine returns from the mutant army encampment and says he know where they are going.
Next scene - the X-Men hold a briefing
WOLVERINE: Magneto and his army are going to Alcatraz to destroy the source of the cure - the mutant boy they call Leech
STORM: And Jean is going with them?
BEAST: Almost certainly she will. Now that Charles and Scott are gone she will be looking for anyone who accepts her, she must believe she is as dangerous as Magneto and his brotherhood.
STORM: Jean's been my friend, at times she's been like a sister to me. WE need to be the ones who are willing to help, not Magneto. We must try to reach her, see if there's anything left of the Jean we once knew.
WOLVERINE; Part of her wants to be with us, part of us thinks she no longer can. We need to reach her - or stop her.
BEAST: You've seen what she can do. I'm not sure any of us can stop her.
WOLVERINE; But it's worth a shot, and we need to stop Jean and Magneto or mutants will be something they really DO want to cure.
STORM; Let's go. Suit up, I'll get the others
ANGEL (turns up as they approach the X-jet): If you are going to Alcatraz, i have to come. They are going to kill everyone there, including my father.
STORM: Okay, then come, but we need to go now...

[LastSunrise1981]

EXPANDED/ALTERED DIALOGUE:

When Jean is in the infirmary:
Xavier explains the mental blocks, then...
WOLVERINE: But what broke these blocks? How has she become dangerous, unstable?
STORM: Cyclops said she hadn't been the same since she was exposed to radiation from Magneto's machine at Liberty Island
XAVIER: That might have fully reactivated her mutation again, switching on the part of her I've been keeping suppressed, so that it started to break through the blocks. The Phoenix saved her, and now she's back. Like some kind of rebirth
STORM: Just like the Phoenix of myth.
XAVIER: And the Phoenix always wanted to be, that must be why that part of her personality chose that name, it knew it would one day be free
STORM: Then you knew ALL this?
XAVIER: I didn't know exactly what was going on. Jean and I have been working together for many years on giving her more more freedom with her powers, one step at a time. I felt Jean's presence after we thought she died - the impressions i got were jumbled, distant, like someone sleeping, dreaming, but the Phoenix hid itself well from me, it's incredibly powerful


When the cure is announced:
STORM: We're not a disease. etc
ROGUE; Is it true?
STORM: We don't know for sure Rogue. Look, I know it hasn't been easy for you, but don't get your hopes up yet. We don't know anything about this so-called cure. We don't know if it will work, what effects it might really have.
STORM (addressing everyone): We've fought so hard for our acceptance, not just to be at ease with ourselves but for society to allow us to exist. Surely they can't just do this, make us feel like we are an illness that has to be cured?
BEAST: You're right Ororo but it's not the same for all of us. I remember the days before I was like this (gestures at himself); life was much easier then.
STORM (to Rogue): There's nothing WRONG with you, nothing wrong with any of us for that matter. Give it some time and let's find out more before you go rushing in.


When Wolverine returns from the mutant army encampment and says he know where they are going.
Next scene - the X-Men hold a briefing
WOLVERINE: Magneto and his army are going to Alcatraz to destroy the source of the cure - the mutant boy they call Leech
STORM: And Jean is going with them?
BEAST: Almost certainly she will. Now that Charles and Scott are gone she will be looking for anyone who accepts her, she must believe she is as dangerous as Magneto and his brotherhood.
STORM: Jean's been my friend, at times she's been like a sister to me. WE need to be the ones who are willing to help, not Magneto. We must try to reach her, see if there's anything left of the Jean we once knew.
WOLVERINE; Part of her wants to be with us, part of us thinks she no longer can. We need to reach her - or stop her.
BEAST: You've seen what she can do. I'm not sure any of us can stop her.
WOLVERINE; But it's worth a shot, and we need to stop Jean and Magneto or mutants will be something they really DO want to cure.
STORM; Let's go. Suit up, I'll get the others
ANGEL (turns up as they approach the X-jet): If you are going to Alcatraz, i have to come. They are going to kill everyone there, including my father.
STORM: Okay, then come, but we need to go now...

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

[X-Maniac]

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

I'm not sure why your endless eye-rolling, I'd go to the optometrist if i were you.

I was working with the scenes and dialogue of the movie we got, not rewriting the movie structure.

I believe some added dialogue would have made the movie better.

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm not sure why your endless eye-rolling, I'd go to the optometrist if i were you.

I was working with the scenes and dialogue of the movie we got, not rewriting the movie structure.

I believe some added dialogue would have made the movie better.

But you loved it remember? It's perfect. Nothing is wrong with it and we should shut up and move on, remember? :whatever: :whatever:

[X-Maniac]

But you loved it remember? It's perfect. Nothing is wrong with it and we should shut up and move on, remember? :whatever: :whatever:

No, I don't remember. Because I never said it.

Yes, i loved it. But i never said it was perfect.

Your ability to invent what people like me have said to attempt to further your cause is disturbing. Imaginary and invented arguments do not add to your credibility.

[javon]

Now if this was someone else we would have got a slap in the face.

[Halcohol]

But you loved it remember? It's perfect. Nothing is wrong with it and we should shut up and move on, remember? :whatever: :whatever:
I'm so glad you two are still b*tching at each other every time I decide to come back to the board.

Get over it.

[javon]

?? I didn't know they argued before..oh well. I think people just wanna make the movie good somehow and I don't blame them.

[Boba_Fett_123]

Argued before? All they do is argue, but of course, there'd be no need to continue if LastSunrise didn't have to come into this thread and continue it. Piece of advice, LS: don't freaking go into threads that X-Maniac posts. You've just gotten yourself on my ignore list, but at least spare everyone else.

[X-Maniac]

Argued before? All they do is argue, but of course, there'd be no need to continue if LastSunrise didn't have to come into this thread and continue it. Piece of advice, LS: don't freaking go into threads that X-Maniac posts. You've just gotten yourself on my ignore list, but at least spare everyone else.

The big issue here is: LastSunrise, and ntcrawler too, hated the movie... they hate Fox/Rothman/Arad/Penn/Kinberg/Ratner.

They think that by bringing this forum down into a storm of negativity and flamebait hell, they will somehow transmit a message to those people above that the movie sucked and must be remade.

That is, of course, delusional. All it will do is lead to fighting on here, mods clamping down like crazy, posters being banned, and regular posters not coming here any more. But they relying on driving people away so that their negativity will dominate, in the mistaken belief it's like a Batsignal over Fox's office that 'X3 must be remade'.

So, for anyone who's tired of this, the answer is NOT to leave this forum but simply to start other discussions and continue to add your views. LastSunrise and ntcrawler want to drive people away so they can control this board with negative whining and bytching and make it look like the entire X-Men fanbase is outraged over X3. Don't let it happen.

They should remember that in any case of emotional loss (like their reaction to X3) there has to come a time of moving on after the anger. Not moving on leads to depression and other mental illness. It's time to let go.

Don't let them drag this forum down. It's because of them that many regular and well-liked posters no longer come here. I refuse to be driven off here, so i am determined to stay. Wild horses couldn't drag me off this forum - and that's why they are attacking me, because they know i will not be beaten into submission by their ridiculous ranting.

Peace, folks. Don't let the morons win.

[LastSunrise1981]

The big issue here is: LastSunrise, and ntcrawler too, hated the movie... they hate Fox/Rothman/Arad/Penn/Kinberg/Ratner.

They think that by bringing this forum down into a storm of negativity and flamebait hell, they will somehow transmit a message to those people above that the movie sucked and must be remade.

That is, of course, delusional. All it will do is lead to fighting on here, mods clamping down like crazy, posters being banned, and regular posters not coming here any more. But they relying on driving people away so that their negativity will dominate, in the mistaken belief it's like a Batsignal over Fox's office that 'X3 must be remade'.

So, for anyone who's tired of this, the answer is NOT to leave this forum but simply to start other discussions and continue to add your views. LastSunrise and ntcrawler want to drive people away so they can control this board with negative whining and bytching and make it look like the entire X-Men fanbase is outraged over X3. Don't let it happen.

They should remember that in any case of emotional loss (like their reaction to X3) there has to come a time of moving on after the anger. Not moving on leads to depression and other mental illness. It's time to let go.

Don't let them drag this forum down. It's because of them that many regular and well-liked posters no longer come here. I refuse to be driven off here, so i am determined to stay. Wild horses couldn't drag me off this forum - and that's why they are attacking me, because they know i will not be beaten into submission by their ridiculous ranting.

Peace, folks. Don't let the morons win.

Signed,

Simon Kinberg.

[My Red Sight]

Wow. You guys are fighting in almost all threads. I left the boards for a while (and I wasn't a big part the board to begin with) because of the fighting. Meh. I'll ignore.

I liked the little changes X-manic made. It really added more to the film.

[DarknessOfDeath]

My connection was down 2 days and I come back and this flaming s*** starts up again. I hate to break it to you guys, but I'm getting sick of having to leave this forum and come again. It shouldn't happen and I know some posters will agree. I had a great time here and I'm gonna say this right now. I am very unsatisfied with this forum and how it runs. There's more negatives than positives and I havn't seen any forum go up in flames such as this one.

Lets get a few things straight here. alright?

1) I am not a Fox loyalist.

2) I don't take everything that they throw at me.

3) I like X3, its not perfect but I don't love or hate it.

4) I see the flaws but face it, not all films are entirely perfect, not even the world itself. Its like...a sandwich and its got so many layers and indredients in between the two slices of bread and when it comes to you on a silver platter, it looks perfect. When you take it in your hands and your about to take a bite out of it, everything inside it starts to fall out onto the plate, thus its not exactly the perfect sandwich or so you thought in the beginning...

5) I understand the movie has flaws and I get what the people who hate it to death are saying about the flaws.

6) After seeing the movie a few times, I can still notice which areas needed more improvement and so on. Fox's problem is the script - the dialogue. They could have improved on it but they didn't. They did what Fox told them to do. They're "Yes" men but they could have worked more heavily on the dialogue and extra parts here and there.

anyway... I miss this place. :(

[X-Maniac]

4) I see the flaws but face it, not all films are entirely perfect, not even the world itself. Its like...a sandwich and its got so many layers and indredients in between the two slices of bread and when it comes to you on a silver platter, it looks perfect. When you take it in your hands and your about to take a bite out of it, everything inside it starts to fall out onto the plate, thus its not exactly the perfect sandwich or so you thought in the beginning...

I get those sandwiches too, but mine don't come on a silver platter...

Even with all the normal ones, all the stuff falls out! Or the plastic carton is so well sealed that you use up more calories unwrapping it than you get from eating it. :word:

[DarknessOfDeath]

well no silver platter or plain plate...whatever. you get the idea...

[X-Maniac]

I do indeed. How many albums do you own where you only like one or two tracks? And there's all those TV channels - hundreds - yet it's difficult to find one thing worth watching...

There's nothing wrong with perfection. But there is plenty wrong with wanting everything to be perfection.

[My Red Sight]

Ha. that's the thing. Some people hate X3 because it wasn't perfect, well I could go an break X1 and X2 apart and name all the things that were wrong with them. It just seems like X3 was broken apart more because of a few mistakes. Just remember, there were mistakes in the previous X-men movies.

[DarknessOfDeath]

and the fact that I love the first two because of the way they pop out at you...like Jean ...yeah.

[ntcrawler]

The big issue here is: LastSunrise, and ntcrawler too, hated the movie... they hate Fox/Rothman/Arad/Penn/Kinberg/Ratner.


Yes, I hated the movie and I'm not afraid to admit it. And yes I hated Penn and Kinberg and Rothman. I didnot approve of Ratner's work, but I do not hate him. And I have not stated my opinion on Arad. You accused me of walking into a theatre with a pre-meditated agenda of hating the movie. You assumed wrong. I already explained to you my views and opinions before I went in to see the movie. You ASSUMED something based on no credible infermation. You should know the dangers of assuming something before you have all your facts.

They think that by bringing this forum down into a storm of negativity and flamebait hell, they will somehow transmit a message to those people above that the movie sucked and must be remade.


Wow. Aren't we a bit delusional here. Flamebait hell? I have not baited a single person since joining this forum, and the proof lies in every one of my posts. You cannot find a single example. Just because the views and arguments expressed by me aren't in agreement by you, does not make them a flame or bait for a war.

But they relying on driving people away so that their negativity will dominate, in the mistaken belief it's like a Batsignal over Fox's office that 'X3 must be remade'.

Hardly. I enjoy a lively discussion and debate and I vehemently support freedom of speech and exchange of ideas. I don't hold it against people for disagreeing with me, that's why it's possible to have so many different views present here and that's why I like this board more than the other X-men related ones.


So, for anyone who's tired of this, the answer is NOT to leave this forum but simply to start other discussions and continue to add your views.

LastSunrise and ntcrawler want to drive people away so they can control this board with negative whining and bytching and make it look like the entire X-Men fanbase is outraged over X3. Don't let it happen.


There you go again, keep singling me out and making things up about my conspiracy to drive everyone away and shut down the boards. :whatever:

For your information, I have not posted a single negative or disrespectful remark about you or your rewrite ideas here in this thread. And here you are attacking me with false accusations. I expected more from you. Guess I was wrong.

[Cyclops]

You know what? Crappy movies just aren't worth fighting over. How about you all just bury the hatchet and put each other on your ignore lists?

[X-Maniac]

Don't worry, it all got ugly for a while my dear! Lots of raucous yelling and hair-tossing, a bit like those 80s heavy metal bands with blond perms.

[WorthyStevens]

The big issue here is: LastSunrise, and ntcrawler too, hated the movie... they hate Fox/Rothman/Arad/Penn/Kinberg/Ratner.

They think that by bringing this forum down into a storm of negativity and flamebait hell, they will somehow transmit a message to those people above that the movie sucked and must be remade.

Christ.

Stop bashing people who didn't like the movie.

[X-Maniac]

Christ.

Stop bashing people who didn't like the movie.

If they'd stop bashing me, then I would. I've been called a loyalist simply for liking it.

And your stepping into this, making further accusations, isn't helping.

So, keep your nose out.

[Boba_Fett_123]

As far as I'm concerned, X-Maniac and LastSunrise are doing exactly the same thing, and neither one of them is right. At least ntcrawler is respectful and intelligent in his debate, and the same goes for others who liked the movie. So I'm with Cyke; ya'll just ignore each other and let the rest of us get on with our lives, because I think you've derailed every single thread in this forum by this point with your stupid b*tching and complaining.

[X-Maniac]

If anyone had bothered to see what I was being accused of, then you'd know why i was responding.

Please press ignore if you don't like it. I am NOT being driven off this forum by other posters blaming me for the movie, and that is final.

[WorthyStevens]

If they'd stop bashing me, then I would. I've been called a loyalist simply for liking it.

And your stepping into this, making further accusations, isn't helping.

So, keep your nose out.

This is a public forum, where anyone can reply.

And I wasn't accusing you, I was pointing out.

[danoyse]

If anyone had bothered to see what I was being accused of, then you'd know why i was responding.

Please press ignore if you don't like it. I am NOT being driven off this forum by other posters blaming me for the movie, and that is final.

Same here. I've been called a loyalist...in fact, apparently I'm a card carrying member of LastSunrise's "Brotherhood of Loyalists" now. I've been told I have low standards, unintelligent, and afflicted with ADD, and have been to stop whining when asking him to knock it off.

All I did was like the bloody movie. And I'm not leaving because someone wants to have a tantrum about it.

I'd much rather discuss the movies than someone's lunatic rantings.

That being said...in regards to X-Maniac's original post:

Nice job. It's mostly the missing dialogue I wanted to hear in those scenes. Particularly the scene with Storm talking to Rogue--I thought that pause after "There's nothing wrong with any of us for that matter," seemed awkward when it ended just then.

[LastSunrise1981]

For the loyalists who don't understand great development or storytelling, here are prime examples of how to create emotion/impact that leaves a lasting impression.

These films have something that X3 will never have and that is deep meaning that makes you feel a range of emotions. Nothing in X3 made me choke up, shed a tear, or made me feel as though it was a tragedy that no one will ever forget.

I'm not saying every movie is perfect nor am I saying these films are perfect. However, they provide a powerful impact that makes you feel it without it being silly or making you roll your eyes. When I was waiting for X3 I was expecting to be moved emotionally and I never experienced those feelings.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxOZBedhlmo
(Terminator 2 Ending)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_fcKC1x6I
(Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Vader Empire Strikes Back)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlDzQVxDkP0
(Forrest Gump ending)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMe--_IO7gI
(Mufasa's death in the Lion King)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYUsLNzjiQ
(The ending of The Crow)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDVvUnhEs_g
(Return of the King)

[The Batman]

my only problem is that there's already a re write thread for something like this...

[Asteroid-Man]

You know there's a thread to rewrite scenes?

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237184

[The Batman]

exactly what i was saying

[javon]

^LOL I think people are mostly pissed at X3 because it actually says 'The Last Stand". So of course tehy are gonna be looking for the right root for maing this the best X-film..which IMO was not. And X-maniac,your re-write could have been better, but it wasn't all that bad. Good job.

[LastSunrise1981]

To be honest X-Maniac's "rewrite" wasn't that different from the actual movie. Hell, half of the changes he made in dialogue wouldn't have made a difference.

The changes the film needs is dialogue of course along with storytelling and emotional impact as well.

[X-Maniac]

To be honest X-Maniac's "rewrite" wasn't that different from the actual movie. Hell, half of the changes he made in dialogue wouldn't have made a difference.

The changes the film needs is dialogue of course along with storytelling and emotional impact as well.

Perhaps so.... but my intention with that expanded dialogue -- which was written very quickly and 'off the cuff' --- was to give those scenes more breathing space, a slower pacing and greater connection to the previous movies (thus I gave Storm more warmth/compassion and a connection to Jean, I tied in Jean's behaviour to the Liberty Island incident and an explanation of the term Phoenix). I was just sharing some thoughts on things that i thought would enhance the flow of the movies.

[chaseter]

Christ.

Stop bashing people who didn't like the movie.
LastSunrise and others can stop bashing people who do like the movie.:cmad:

[N_z0]

STORM (addressing everyone): We've fought so hard for our acceptance, not just to be at ease with ourselves but for society to allow us to exist. Surely they can't just do this, make us feel like we are an illness that has to be cured?

ROTFLMAO :D

X-Maniac, only you could have written that line. :p

[javon]

Oh Jesus...I actually understand the reason why people say "The movie is done. Get over it." At first I thought the comment was a little rude, but that is exactly what people need to do....get over it (Not targeting you X-maniac, sort of seems that way coming from your thread) please.

[X-Maniac]

ROTFLMAO :D

X-Maniac, only you could have written that line. :p


I see nothing wrong with the word 'surely', but then the English language is my friend. I see only more nitpicking. There really can't be many more nits for you to pick.

May I suggest: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6534/nitai3.jpg

[X-Maniac]

Oh Jesus...I actually understand the reason why people say "The movie is done. Get over it." At first I thought the comment was a little rude, but that is exactly what people need to do....get over it (Not targeting you X-maniac, sort of seems that way coming from your thread) please.

And yet you have been agreeing with, even encouraging, the complaints made on here, Javon. I could see you getting sucked in, I almost warned you many times what was happening.

Now you can see, finally, that it doesn't get us anywhere at all.

As I've been saying for MONTHS, the movie is a done deal.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

seriously get over this... this... madness turn this forum back to the happy place it once was

[N_z0]

I see nothing wrong with the word 'surely', but then the English language is my friend. I see only more nitpicking. There really can't be many more nits for you to pick.

May I suggest: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6534/nitai3.jpg

There is nothing wrong with the word 'Surely.' But you know something's wrong when you use that word every other post and it's annoying to the point where people notice it. :p

Surely ( ;) ) I can't be the only one to notice this. :D

[X-Maniac]

There is nothing wrong with the word 'Surely.' But you know something's wrong when you use that word every other post and it's annoying to the point where people notice it. :p

Surely ( ;) ) I can't be the only one to notice this. :D

I didn't think I overused that word. Evidently, those nits are itching you well and good. A further application of that lotion might help as you evidently have quite a problem with my presence here on the board. Pity, especially as it's your problem. :woot:

[N_z0]

Just something I noticed. Do i get a Marvel bullpen No-prize? :D

I'm sure if you did a quick search up top, you'd find out like the rest of us that you use that word quite often. :D

And thanks for the offer for some Elimi-nit. But I'm happy with my Johnson and johnson. ^^

[javon]

And yet you have been agreeing with, even encouraging, the complaints made on here, Javon. I could see you getting sucked in, I almost warned you many times what was happening.

Now you can see, finally, that it doesn't get us anywhere at all.

As I've been saying for MONTHS, the movie is a done deal.

:huh: Wow, thats the last time I give you some credit. What in the world have I encouraged? Oh nevermind, this thread is full of picking on you anyway so i'll just leave it that way. Good luck trying to defend yourself.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

surely.... there must b a way for him to cont his dialogue...

[X-Maniac]

:huh: Wow, thats the last time I give you some credit. What in the world have I encouraged? Oh nevermind, this thread is full of picking on you anyway so i'll just leave it that way. Good luck trying to defend yourself.

I'm quite capable of defending myself thanks... and of having my own opinion.

The reason people are attacking me is because it's an easy option, a total cop-out. They are powerless to do anything about the movie and people like Ratner, Kinberg etc are way out of reach, so they instead find an easier target. Attacking other posters makes them feel better about their frustrations because I can see and hear what they are saying and will answer them back. Lastsunrise actually put 'signed Simon Kinberg' at the bottom of one of my replies - he is turning me into him because he can't directly attack Simon himself. So I am being made a substitute for the real people who are to blame.

Just remember to have your own opinion about the movie. Don't just listen to everyone else and get caught up in their frustrations. And remember there are truly some pathetic people on this forum, as you can see simply by studying this thread. People who drag up old arguments between me and another poster (arguments which neither I nor the other poster have a problem with) in an attempt to cause trouble. I mean, how dare I enjoy the movie?! How dare I like this film?! What a disgrace! Yes, i obviously wrote it or made! Yes, that's logical, that must be it! And yet that's what people actually think.

Sadly even the mods can't see exactly what is going on and accuse me of 'bickering' when of course I am going to respond to direct attacks on my character. This forum sucks, and it's no wonder that most of the great posters no longer come here any more. The truth in what I say is here for all to see.