Who in DC or Marvel would give Goku a good fight?

[Krpton]

in the managa, veggeto stated of at ssj2, the fighting in base form was filler in the anime.

look and gotenks, they cant beat mr buu, but when they fused and went ssj3 they could beat super buu 1 (which is normal super buu), so image potorra with goku and vegeta's skill and techniques, and a ssj3 and a very very strong ssj2.
just imgain how strong they are, they could easily have gone ssj3 if gotenks done, and maybe even a ssj4.

so gamma beast it does make sense, the kais even said how much power it gives, if its now that much power, then y would they give it, and why would goku try use it.

in dbz forums, they are debates between ssj4 goku/vegeta vs ssj2 veggeto, some people think ssj2 veggeto would win and other think ssj4 goku/vegeta would win.

i say ssj2 veggeto.

[Jason C C]

He couldn't go SSJ anymore even if he wanted. He had access to all his power without needing to, thus saving energy. So turning SSJ wouldn't actually serve any purpose what so ever

[Jason C C]

Who the hell is MR BUU?

Are you talking about the BUU that the fat version turns into when he was absorbed by the Evil buu?

[Krpton]

Of course we did, he was obviously trying his hardest when Super Buu (plus piccollo and gotenks) was kicking his ass all over the place
.

Btw who the hell is MR BUU

oops my bad, dont know what i was thinking.

and as for mr buu, its really hard to explain, let me search it up on the ign forum, someone did a thread which made it clear and easy to understand.

or u can just ask the users at ign boards, because everyone knows their stuff.

[Jason C C]

Pfftttt I thought YOU had read the manga?:o

[Krpton]

yes but its hard to understand, wait im searching it for u, so hold up, and ill post it.

[Krpton]

let me just ask the users at ign and btw i read it along time ago, so my memory about it aint clear.

[Jason C C]

So you're saying that despite the fact that you've read it you can't explain it all????

Dragonball isn't THAT deep

[Krpton]

Mr Buu is the Buu that separated from Evil Buu. The person who was fighting Kid Buu.

[Jason C C]

That was Fat BUU

[Krpton]

btw the forms of buu is really deep, even i got confused from reading the managa, we have to figure it out, it dont say exactly who they are.

the names fat buu, kidd buu, mr buu etc. are fan made, the orginal name for the buu is Majin Buu.

[Krpton]

that werent fat buu, fat buu is the one with evil still inside, he was stronger than mr buu.

[Jason C C]

I smell bull****

Are you sure you've read it?

Where did you read it?

[Krpton]

told ya it confusing, its the same thing that happen to me but in the end i understood it.

[Krpton]

yup im sure ive read it, i downloaded it and viewed it on CDisplay. so i cant send screens anyway i have got it anymore, remember i told u i read it alonmg time ago.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
that werent fat buu, fat buu is the one with evil still inside, he was stronger than mr buu.

Look I really have no clue what the hell you're on about.

Lets look at them in appearance order shall we?

1.FAT BUU
2.The skinny evil that split from Fat BUU
3. The Buu that the skinny evil Buu turned into when he reabsobed Fat buu (i.e the one gotenks fought in the rosat)
4.Super Buu (with piccollo)
5.Super Buu (wuth Piccollo and gotenks)
6.Super Buu (with picollo, goten and trunks)
7.Super Buu with piccollo,goten,trunks and Gohan)
7. The Buu that he turned into once Gohan, trunk ect were cut from their pods. (i.e the same buu from 3.)
8.Buff Buu (the Buu he became for a few minutes once fat buu had been cut fromhis pod)
9.Kid Buu (the origianl form that Buff then turned into)

Now which one of these is Mr BUU?????

[Krpton]

mr buu is pure good

fat buu has got evil in him, that is evil buu, he splits up remember and there is a fat buu and and evill buu. and evil buu beat mr buu.

so when evil was in fat buu, he was called fat buu.

but when fat never had evil in him, he was fat buu, but he was pure good, but now he is called mr buu.

understand?

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
yup im sure ive read it, i downloaded it and viewed it on CDisplay. so i cant send screens anyway i have got it anymore, remember i told u i read it alonmg time ago.

Convient eh?

[Krpton]

mr buu and fat buu ahve to completely different personalitites and are like 2 diff people, thats why they have a diff name.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
mr buu is pure good

fat buu has got evil in him, that is evil buu, he splits up remember and there is a fat buu and and evill buu. and evil buu beat mr buu.

so when evil was in fat buu, he was called fat buu.

but when fat never had evil in him, he was fat buu, but he was pure good, but now he is called mr buu.

understand?

I understand now, you class the Fat buu as a new Buu once he expelled his evil despite the fact that he didn't change appearance nor personality??

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
mr buu and fat buu ahve to completely different personalitites and are like 2 diff people, thats why they have a diff name.

Garbage, they acted the same regardless of whether the evil was there or not

[Krpton]

yes they look the same but have different personalitites, he was also the one that fought kid buu and got whooped.

[Krpton]

no when he had evil in him, he was destroying cities.

its not just me who class fat buu as a new buu once he expelled, ask any dbz user on other boards, and they would agree with me.

i just asked this question at ign, look:

http://boards.ign.com/Dragon_Ball/b5653/61566781/?3

[Jason C C]

They ACTED the same!!!

Fat BUU (evil and all) befriended the puppy and Mr satan and it was still the same guy afterwards. Tell me HOW exactly they had different personalities?

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
no when he had evil in him, he was destroying cities.

its not just me who class fat buu as a new buu once he expelled, ask any dbz user on other boards, and they would agree with me.

i just asked this question at ign, look:

http://boards.ign.com/Dragon_Ball/b5653/61566781/?3

He was destroying cities because he was told to. He didn't know any better. He didn't even know it was WRONG. He just thought it was fun. He had no concept of life and death, right or wrong. He was a big CHILD

[Krpton]

look, fat buu became friends with satan but he still had evil in him, he still detroyed cities whil satan was cooking dinner for him, then after stan said not to do it anymore, after than he was good but not purly.

when evil buu came out, after the puppy got shot and he got angry, he split and evil buu came, evil buu was pure evil and got the greater share of the power, and fat buu was pure good now.

so a person who is pure good and a person who is good but still have evil inside, that measn that they hare diff personalaites.

wht do u mean by personalities btw?

[Krpton]

http://boards.ign.com/Dragon_Ball/b5653/61566781/?5

[Jason C C]

His personality defines WHO he is. He was STILL Fat BUU when he rejected the evil inside him. He still liked Mr satan and he stilled loved his puppy. He still spoke the same and acted the same. The only difference is he didn't destroy things anymore because he was finally taught that killing his bad. He finally UNDERSTOOD what DEATH was when his puppy got killed.

[Krpton]

ok they might not have to diff "personalities" but they are 2 diff ppl.

some who has evil inide, and some who is pure good are 2 diff ppl right? so that is y fans madde the name mr buu to not get mixed up with fat buu.

do u get it now?

[Krpton]

every other dbz fans who know dbz inside out will say that there are fat buu and mr buu.

for eg im trying to say fat buu is mystic gohan and mr buu is normal gohan.

get it?

[Krpton]

ppl just gave em diff names so we know exactly who they are.

they moight have the same perosnality but diif buus cuz, fat buu had evil and mr buu did not.

fat buu did do good stuff but still had evil, that the diff from mr buu.

[Krpton]

http://www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/buu/

[Krpton]

instead of calling it mr buu and fat buu, lets call it good buu and bad buu.

c'mon its like just fan names to identify them.

read the post above it a huge help. i cant find the one that explains it properly onthe ign forum, if u wanna look for it u cant, but i doubt its there because it was too far in the pages and gets earesed.

[Krpton]

anyway, hope u read that, and uderstand it, and u can thank me later, trying to me u uderstand.

its been good talkin about dbz and not superman in the dbz threads.

anyway im off to bed, see u next time.

no hard feelings jason cc yeh?

ok laterz.

[Krpton]

Fat Buu is not Super Buu. Remember when Buu was being bossed around by Babidi? That was Fat Buu. Then when that guy shot the dog and hurt Hercule, Fat Buu got really angry. When he got angry, Fat Buu released a cloud of smoke and it turned out to be Evil Buu. When Evil Buu was released, Fat Buu became Mr. Buu. They look exactly the same but Mr. Buu is weaker.

mr buu was used in gt, thats what they called fat buu because he didnt have evil in him.

It's just a fan made name to tell the difference between the two. then it became official in gt.

fat buu is stronger than mr buu, its just like mystic gohan and gohan, diff anmes to tell the difference.

check this site out, it answers all ur question regarding the forms of buu:

http://www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/buu/

[Tony Montana 04]

im going with supes too i did like goku but now he bores me

[GammaBeast]

Krpton instead of posting 10 posts in a row, if you have something more to say how about using the edit button? It's annoying to hear a discussion and only get one side for over half a page.

[Krpton]

Krpton instead of posting 10 posts in a row, if you have something more to say how about using the edit button? It's annoying to hear a discussion and only get one side for over half a page.

ok, my bad, sorry bout sat

[Langoth]

OK I have not read this whole thing, but I want to make one thing VERY clear.

The main cast of the FRIEZA Saga would be able to defeat Superman.

Know why? Look at it this way.

Frieza, in his second form, was as fast as light, thats a power level of 1,000,000.

When Piccolo, a guy with a similar power, fought him, when they clahsed, one BLOW from them hitting one another, sent shockwaves out, that caused tidal waves and destroyed island.

ONE GOD DAMN HTI!

Frieza, Piccolo, Goku, or Vegeta from the Frieza saga would be more then a match for Super Man.

They were blowing up planets at that point anyway.

I mean hell, you don't even need Goku, you can take the Frieza family, and I bet they could take on the entire Marvel and DC universe aside from a handful.

That handful is comprised of Galactus beings wiht his power, and above.

THe Surfer and even Thor would be taken out in mere HITS from guys moving at those speeds, with that much power behind punches and kicks, and that much death behind energy blasts.

For instance-

Cooler vs. the Hulk.

Moves so fast the Hulk can't see him, appears behind him, puts his hand to his back, and incinarates him.

DEAD.

Same thing would happen to Super man.

The only one FRIEZA and his family would be able to take down would be the Juggernaut, and that's just because he can't die from anything physical.

Now, to take out baddies like Galactis, anyone from the Buu saga who played a roll, would roll Galactis.

They were splitting dimensional barriers with their power at that point.

Now, I HATE Goku, don't think I don't, but I also realize, that in DBZ, those guys had no equals but one another.

Gohan from the Buu Saga could most likley kill galactus with almost no effort, he was the strongest at the end of the Buu saga (Not the last episodes where it showed them in the epologue, I mean while fighting Buu).

Boom, boom, blast, dead.

[Krpton]

ok, from what we have seen,

who has more:

strength?
speed?
durability?
and who is smarter?

also where do we get our energy from?

[Dark_Spectre]

who has more:

strength?
Physical Strength, from what we have seen superman, but I would be willing to bet Goku is stronger since his physical strength can increase so fast. Superman has limits to how much energy his body can hold.

speed?

Goku can go faster than the speed of light, from my understanding the current superman can only go just under the speed of light.

durability?

Goku, he survives attacks from the ridiculously powerful DBZ villains on a regular basis and anything that hurts him just makes him stronger.

and who is smarter?

Outside of a fight, Superman. In a fight (which is what counts in this case), Goku by far.

also where do we get our energy from?

Hmmmm, hydroelectric plants and nuclear reactors. What does that have to do with anything?

[Krpton]

Physical Strength, from what we have seen superman, but I would be willing to bet Goku is stronger since his physical strength can increase so fast. Superman has limits to how much energy his body can hold.

we can only base this fight on what we have seen and facts, for the record supes can just fly into the sun and get more stronger.


Goku can go faster than the speed of light, from my understanding the current superman can only go just under the speed of light.

its been stated goku's instant transmission is the speed of light, so ur trying to tell me goku's speed >>>> IT?


Goku, he survives attacks from the ridiculously powerful DBZ villains on a regular basis and anything that hurts him just makes him stronger.

superman withstood a galaxy without messing up his hair, without even being fazed, while mystic gohan got wasted very easily when kid buu blew up the earth, and mystic gohan is stronger than ssj3.


Outside of a fight, Superman. In a fight (which is what counts in this case), Goku by far.

whts ur reason why goku is smarter than supes in a fight?
goku isnt smarter in day to day, but if he was and not smart in fighting, he would still be very smart or even better, supes is very very smart in day to day and he will use all his knowledge in a fight which he has done in the past.


Hmmmm, hydroelectric plants and nuclear reactors. What does that have to do with anything?

in english?

[Guyverjay]

Actually Krpton (you should know this) Instantaneous movement isn't given a speed in Dragonball. In the US it was said to be the speed of light but Japan its just said that it was instant.

Think about this. The space ships in Dragonball can go lightspeed. Thats how they travel to different galaxies etc. But when Frieza-bot landed on earth and was taken out by Trunks. Goku said that using IM, he could have got there instantly to take care of freiza. Which means IM would have to be going faster than both his ship and Freizas ship. Usingf IM goku has traveled to different realms instantly. It takes the speed of light 8 minutes just to get to the Sun. IM is as fast Goku needs it to be ie INSTANT.

Its also been shown that ki blasts can travel at the speed of light if the user wishes it.

EXAMPLE: When roshi and Piccollo both destroy the moon instantly. It takes 1.28 seconmds for light to reach the moon


EXAMPLE 2: When Goku is fighting Kid Buu and Kidd Buu thows a fireball that circles the entire kaioshin planet (which is alot bigger than earth) in an instant

Also Krpton if you really want to be taken seriously instead of ridiculed every 5 minutes . You need to STOP bring up points that have already been countered.

Example: Mystic Gohan being destroyed when the planet blew. We've already stated that Gohan was unconcious and basically helpless when the planet IMPLODED. (Yes it imploded not exploded). So stop bringing it up.

As for strength its pretty up in the air because we've never seen gokus strength tested to the limit.

Example: Gohan lifts and carries a Jumbo jet full of people in his base form as saya-man

Example no 2: Goku physically pushed a mountain apart in the fight with Kid Buu

Example no 3: When Goku was only a child in his first budokai he was able to jump higher than the clouds. He was doing incredible Hulk type leaps using purely leg strength (he didn't know how to fly back then)

Example number 4: When Goku is a child he lifts and throws a Dinosaur

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton

Hmmmm, hydroelectric plants and nuclear reactors. What does that have to do with anything?

in english?

Guyver hit the other points so I'll hit this one. You asked where our energy comes from, he said it comes from hydroelectric plants and nuclear reactors. The thing we use to generate electricity, what is so hard to understand about that?

[Hawkeye3500]

Also to contradict Krpton, because he is a fan boy of the English Cartoon and truly really doesn't know true DBZ, in the very beginning of DBZ, when Piccolo first used Special Beam Cannon (really Makan sa Kappo or something like that) and Radditz dodged it, he said that Radditz must be faster than the speed of light.

So you are going to say a Super Saiyan is slower than a person with a power level of 1200? I think not! Also, Instantaneous Movement was really explained that he moves outside the stream of time, allowing him to move thus instantaneously.

Another thing, I don't think that Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. He most certainly has the potential to be stronger, but I don't think he ever got to that point. Goku told Vegeta that if he had powered up fully to SSJ3 he probably could have beaten Buu. He also did not power up fully in the first time he fought Kid Buu so Vegeta could get a chance to fight.

[Guyverjay]

Er Hawkeye3500 that lightspeed line was part of the Dub.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Langoth
OK I have not read this whole thing, but I want to make one thing VERY clear.

The main cast of the FRIEZA Saga would be able to defeat Superman.

Know why? Look at it this way.

Frieza, in his second form, was as fast as light, thats a power level of 1,000,000.

When Piccolo, a guy with a similar power, fought him, when they clahsed, one BLOW from them hitting one another, sent shockwaves out, that caused tidal waves and destroyed island.

ONE GOD DAMN HTI!

Frieza, Piccolo, Goku, or Vegeta from the Frieza saga would be more then a match for Super Man.

They were blowing up planets at that point anyway.

I mean hell, you don't even need Goku, you can take the Frieza family, and I bet they could take on the entire Marvel and DC universe aside from a handful.

That handful is comprised of Galactus beings wiht his power, and above.

THe Surfer and even Thor would be taken out in mere HITS from guys moving at those speeds, with that much power behind punches and kicks, and that much death behind energy blasts.

For instance-

Cooler vs. the Hulk.

Moves so fast the Hulk can't see him, appears behind him, puts his hand to his back, and incinarates him.

DEAD.

Same thing would happen to Super man.

The only one FRIEZA and his family would be able to take down would be the Juggernaut, and that's just because he can't die from anything physical.

Now, to take out baddies like Galactis, anyone from the Buu saga who played a roll, would roll Galactis.

They were splitting dimensional barriers with their power at that point.

Now, I HATE Goku, don't think I don't, but I also realize, that in DBZ, those guys had no equals but one another.

Gohan from the Buu Saga could most likley kill galactus with almost no effort, he was the strongest at the end of the Buu saga (Not the last episodes where it showed them in the epologue, I mean while fighting Buu).

Boom, boom, blast, dead. I hate to get back into this but If you know anything about PreCrisis Supes you wouldn't have posted, since he's far more powerful in every way. Look at my previous posts.

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Er Hawkeye3500 that lightspeed line was part of the Dub. cheers for answering this, it's always mind boggled me???

[Hawkeye3500]

I know that. I was just using that as a contradictory of what he was talking about with Instantaneous Movement.

[Krpton]

so could pre-crisis supes beat goku, is it true that he is superior than goku in evrey aspect?

[Guyverjay]

Not every aspect. Pre crisis super couldn't fight to save his life. Take his powers away and he was a complete pussy

[Krpton]

but pre crisis is better than goku?

[Krpton]

It's just a giant ape. It has no special powers apart from the fact that its big. It's basically a rip off of King kong. It Definately isn't capable of blowing up the damn planet. Use you brain simpleton



but or the record, prrove that its weaker than oozaru, or prrove that it cant destroy a planet.
if that beat superman and he could do all that, i think the gorrila could.

the point is u cant proove it neither can i, so the argument is wiped away for another reason.

anyway it doesnt matter who is was because it wasnt goku, that in itself wipes away the argument.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
but pre crisis is better than goku?

I still haven't seen anything to indicate that even pre-crisis supes could destroy a universe. He took out a solar system, big deal. There are millions (perhaps billions) of those in a galaxy, and many galaxies in the universe each very far apart. I seriously doubt supes could do anything on that level.

To go on Guyver's last statement, Goku's fighting skills are on a totally different level than supermans, especially pre-crisis. Goku is probably the greatest fictional martial artist of all time, the curretn superman is an ok fighter, pre-crisis couldn't fight for ****.

Krpton, on your last statement, you keep asking for proof for everyone elses statements, but you're more than willing to take leaps with logic in favor of supes.

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
I still haven't seen anything to indicate that even pre-crisis supes could destroy a universe. He took out a solar system, big deal. There are millions (perhaps billions) of those in a galaxy, and many galaxies in the universe each very far apart. I seriously doubt supes could do anything on that level.


Two things:

1) Has Goku actually taken out an entire universe? (I not a fan of any of the DB cartoons. Especially DBZ. That cartoon could suck a golf ball through a hose pipe!). Also, how big is his universe compared to DC's?

2) Pre-Crisis Supes took out a solar system with a sneeze! Imagine what a super fart might've done? What if their was follow through?!? Oh, the horror. THE HORROR!! :eek:

[Guyverjay]

You think DBZ sucks, so why do you even care?:confused:

As for your first question. He's the hero of the story so of course not. As for size just how exactly are you supposed to tell? So all fictional universes have measurements now?

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
You think DBZ sucks, so why do you even care?:confused:

Who said I did? Who? Let me at 'em. LET ME AT 'EM! Seriously, it's just an info thing. Always willing to learn, me. :)

As for your first question. He's the hero of the story so of course not. As for size just how exactly are you supposed to tell? So all fictional universes have measurements now?

If he hasn't destroyed a universe, then what info is there to support the claim that he can? As for the size of a particular universe, I'm not asking for it in metres. You'd just have to use your knowledge of each and make a educated guess as to which is bigger, by going on what you've read/seen. My guess would be DC's is considerably bigger, if only because they've had way more time to write/show different planets/galaxies/solar systems etc.

[Guyverjay]

I'll let oter argue about wether Goku can destoy te universe or not because I really can 't be bothered


As for size, there is NO way you can guess. DC is a universe that has been written for like 60 years with mutiple stories. Dragonball is ONE story. Just because torayama doesn't focus on 100's of different species (why would he?) doesn't prove anything. A universe is a universe.Otherwise we might as well start talking about complete crap like maybe the DBZ earth is 1000 times bigger that DC earth and Goku would be a GIANT if he went there or maybe the DBZ earth is the size of a walnut. You get where I'm taking this?

[Krpton]

but the monkey pre crisis fought had krptonite visison, so without the krptonite visison the monkey would have lost.

[GammaBeast]

krpton you asked earlier for someone to prove that monkey couldn't destroy a planet. Can you prove that it could?

[Guyverjay]

bwhahahahha

[Krpton]

krpton you asked earlier for someone to prove that monkey couldn't destroy a planet. Can you prove that it could?

no i cant, so that argument is wiped away, it nothing to do with the goku vs superman fight, thats what i have been trying to say, agree?

[Guyverjay]

Wiped away my ass crack

You know they retrained the 40 foot ape??

They put him in a steel cage!!!

WOW great planet destroying power there:rolleyes:

bwhahahahhaa

Heres there your pre crisis supes getting his ass handed to him by a crappy wolf with flame powers:o

[Krpton]

all that doesnt matter in the goku vs supes fight, the comics u posted is not goku.

[Guyverjay]

Oh shut up Krypton.

Of course it matters. How can the SOURCE material NOT matter.


:rolleyes:

It seems thaat when supes does something really impressive IT MATTERS. But when supes gets beaten up or looks like a ass IT DOESN'T MATTER


You're a complete joke:o

[Krpton]

its like saying in gt goku got beat by a kid in the budokai tournament and that kis was just human.

that doesnt matter to me.

[Guyverjay]

What has that got to do with ANYTHING?

your idiocy makes me laugh:up: :D

[Krpton]

its like saying in gt goku got beat by a kid in the budokai tournament and that kis was just human.

that doesnt matter to me.

wht do u mean it has nothing to do with it, it has.
then i can just say goku cant even beat a human kid, so how is he gonna beat superman.

but im not gonna say that because that kid is not superman, and has nothing to do with the argumet.

[Krpton]

You're a complete joke

yeh? nice one.


your idiocy makes me laugh

emmm....OK!!

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
its like saying in gt goku got beat by a kid in the budokai tournament and that kis was just human.

that doesnt matter to me.

wht do u mean it has nothing to do with it, it has.
then i can just say goku cant even beat a human kid, so how is he gonna beat superman.

but im not gonna say that because that kid is not superman, and has nothing to do with the argumet.

You compare a JOKE comic relief TOURNAMENT fight where goku falls out of the ring because he got tickled (he was talking to vegeta at the time) to a REAL fight with a real super villain who's trying to kill you????



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Go back to sleep crapton you're embarrassing yourself:D

[Guyverjay]

Also CRAPton as you ALWAYS like to point out GT wasn't manga so you couldn't bring THAT up anyway:rolleyes:

[Krpton]

ok then supes will just tickel goku and then kill him.

[Krpton]

Go back to sleep crapton you're embarrassing yourself

like i care....



Also CRAPton as you ALWAYS like to point out GT wasn't manga so you couldn't bring THAT up anyway

xcuse me, we r not in primary skool, lol "crapton," thats worse than me.

Gayverjay, just insult me, i dont care, ur just wasting ur energy in typing and wasting time.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
ok then supes will just tickel goku and then kill him.

LOL

What exactly is tickel, a New super power?:D

I assume you mean tickle??

Where was it shown that tickling him would make him die?:rolleyes:

You're a riot crapton you really are :D :up:

[Krpton]

anyway the monkey had krptonite site. btw if u didnt know krptonite can kill superman....

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
Go back to sleep crapton you're embarrassing yourself

like i care....



Also CRAPton as you ALWAYS like to point out GT wasn't manga so you couldn't bring THAT up anyway

xcuse me, we r not in primary skool, lol "crapton," thats worse than me.

Gayverjay, just insult me, i dont care, ur just wasting ur energy in typing and wasting time.

You say crapton is primary school but then make a gay joke??

Do you know what hypocrisy means?

Probably not:D

You're from the UK right?

If so, you're disgrace to our countries education system:(

[Krpton]

LOL

What exactly is tickel, a New super power?

I assume you mean tickle??

Where was it shown that tickling him would make him die?

You're a riot crapton you really are

cant u tell the diff between a typo.he will just tickel gokku the attack him.

btw bare funny....ur a real Gayverjay

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
anyway the monkey had krptonite site. btw if u didnt know krptonite can kill superman....

Whats that got to do with the wolf with the flame powers owning supermans ass?

Er nothing :rolleyes:

Besides supes came BACK with lead shielding and still couldn't put him down. They had to trick the ape into getting in the cage (with a superman dummy) and locked him in.

[Krpton]

You say crapton is primary school but then make a gay joke??

Do you know what hypocrisy means?

Probably not

You're from the UK right?

If so, you're disgrace to our countries education system

i just made that cheap joke cuz u made a cheaper joke.
im 14 and ur kinda old, so ur worse than me.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
LOL

What exactly is tickel, a New super power?

I assume you mean tickle??

Where was it shown that tickling him would make him die?

You're a riot crapton you really are

cant u tell the diff between a typo.he will just tickel gokku the attack him.

btw bare funny....ur a real Gayverjay

Typo eh??

You still spelt tickle wrong AGAIN bwahahahahahhahaha

Bare funny?


English crapton please. I don't understand moronese:(

[Odin's Lapdog]

and i thought spidey 2 was interesting...

*sits down with pop corn, and put on the surround sound*

[Krpton]

Whats that got to do with the wolf with the falme powers owning supermans ass?

do u know how strong or weak the wolf is? thought so, u dont.


Besides supes came BACK with lead shielding and still couldn't put him down. They had to trick the ape into getting in the cage (with a superman dummy) and locked him in.

i wonder y that is....oh yeh, cuz of the krptonite site.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
You say crapton is primary school but then make a gay joke??

Do you know what hypocrisy means?

Probably not

You're from the UK right?

If so, you're disgrace to our countries education system

i just made that cheap joke cuz u made a cheaper joke.
im 14 and ur kinda old, so ur worse than me.


Ahh always using your age as an excuse, you'll get far in life crapton you really will. I Predict F for all your G.C.S.E's:up:

Chin up, you'll be serving me Mcdonalds one day:D

Btw you don't how old I am:rolleyes:

[Krpton]

English crapton please. I don't understand moronese

who is crapton, i dont undertsnad.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
Whats that got to do with the wolf with the falme powers owning supermans ass?

do u know how strong or weak the wolf is? thought so, u dont.


Besides supes came BACK with lead shielding and still couldn't put him down. They had to trick the ape into getting in the cage (with a superman dummy) and locked him in.

i wonder y that is....oh yeh, cuz of the krptonite site.

Do you know what the concept of lead shielding is Crapton??

Failing Science as well:confused:

I've already proven that the ape wasn't strong enough to destroy a planet, idiot:rolleyes:

Its funny how you choose which points to address and which to ignore:)

As for the wolf it had flame powers and um thats it.

[Krpton]

Ahh always using your age as an excuse, you'll get far in life crapton you really will. I Predict F for all your G.C.S.E's

Chin up, you'll be serving me Mcdonalds one day

Btw you don't how old I am

well ur predictions r rong, im predicted c and b, mostly c, still no where near an f.

mcodnalds? i dont think so, so gayverjay, chin up,, youll be serving me mcds one day.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton


I dont undertsnad.


The story of your life I'll bet:p

Btw what the hell is undertsnad?;)

Its funny how you still spelt it wrong despite me writing it in my previous post... LOL

Oh yeah use the quote button, fool

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
Ahh always using your age as an excuse, you'll get far in life crapton you really will. I Predict F for all your G.C.S.E's

Chin up, you'll be serving me Mcdonalds one day

Btw you don't how old I am

well ur predictions r rong, im predicted c and b, mostly c, still no where near an f.

mcodnalds? i dont think so, so gayverjay, chin up,, youll be serving me mcds one day.

mcodnalds?? LOL and you copied my insult and then used it against me? Wow wee I can see why you're predicted such great grades;) bwhahahahhahaha

I'm wondering whether you are actually intentionally calling me gayverjay or is it that you just can't spell my name:D

[Krpton]

Do you know what the concept of lead shielding is Crapton??

Failing Science as well

I've already proven that the ape wasn't strong enough to destroy a planet, idiot

Its funny how you choose which points to address and which to ignore

As for the wolf it had flame powers and um thats it.


im not talkin bout the ape, yes u have, but supes could have the ape if he never had krptonite visison, y u still goin on about that? i dont know.


failing science, dont think so, lieing to urself again.


i dont know about the wolf, but if u say its just flames, how do u know that enough or not enough to destroy planets? well u dont. so we donyt know how strong or weak the wolf is and there is no proof or is proof that he can destroy the planet.

[Guyverjay]

How do we know its not strong enough to destroy planets???:D

Well considering that the neither planet nor even the city blew up, what the hell do you think??? :rolleyes:

Btw I have said 3 times now thats supes came back with lead shielding. The kryptonite wasn't effecting him anymore and he still couldn't stop him using brute force

[Krpton]

I'm wondering whether you are actually intentionally calling me gayverjay or is it that you just can't spell my name

looks whos talking, lol, u sure as hell cant spell mine Guyverjay, see i spelt it right there.


mcodnalds?? LOL and you copied my insult and then used it against me? Wow wee I can see why you're predicted such great grades bwhahahahhahaha

is it ur insult, did u copyright it, did u invent it? hell no u never so shut up, like u own it.

[Guyverjay]

The quote button is your friend Crapton:up:

Your post = LOL

This has been fun crapton but you're foolishness is getting boring now.


Remember to learn how to use that quote button. With your I.Q it should only take you a couple of months:D

[Krpton]

How do we know its not strong enough to destroy planets?

we dont and we dont know it is strong enough to destroy planets.

Well considering that the planet nor even the city blew up, what the hell do you think???

maybe cuz it wasnt trying to blow up the city. duh.


Btw I have said 3 times now thats supes came back with lead shielding. The kryptonite wasn't effecting him anymore and he still couldn't stop him using brute force

so ur saying pre crisis supes with shield <<<< ape?

[Krpton]

Remember to learn how to use that quote button. With your I.Q it should only take you a couple of months

was that meant to be a cuss, well that is pretty well it is jsut plain carp.

[Krpton]

The quote button is your friend Crapton

yes i know, but i find it fater doin it my way.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
Remember to learn how to use that quote button. With your I.Q it should only take you a couple of months

was that meant to be a cuss, well that is pretty well it is jsut plain carp.

Yeah you're right it was CARP:(

[Krpton]

The quote button is your friend Crapton

lol, u still cant spell my name properly.

[Krpton]

Yeah you're right it was CARP

any other user would have figured the word out and know it was a typo. but its u, so i understand ur lateness.

[Odin's Lapdog]

Dudes, at this moment your both giving brits a bad name...

and jay, i thought you were better than this.

:(

[Guyverjay]

Nah its fun;)

[Krpton]

yeh it is, anyway how comes ur up so late?

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Nah its fun;) not when you have to go through it all, and you're not taking part

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Krpton
yeh it is, anyway how comes ur up so late? Watched spidey today, passing my comments onto friend on board. besides this is pretty early for me. i've posted for 17 hours straight before.

[Guyverjay]

Are you a brit Odin?

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Are you a brit Odin? How else would i know about Fox kids showing a power ranger-a-thon at night time:o

[Krpton]

yeh i also watched spidey 2day, film was heavy, spidey is so cool, he is mr cool, he never panics.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Odin's Lapdog
How else would i know about Fox kids showing a power ranger-a-thon at night time:o

I don't have sky remember??

I'm sure they have fox kids in the states

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
yeh i also watched spidey 2day, film was heavy, spidey is so cool, he is mr cool, he never panics.

I actually agree with you for once:eek:

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Krpton
yeh i also watched spidey 2day, film was heavy, spidey is so cool, he is mr cool, he never panics. i wished i shared your opinions but that is for another thread.

if you to wish to carry on, then do so...

but less name calling, my surround sound can't take the shouting:o

[Guyverjay]

You didn't like spidey?

For that you must DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*turns his attention from krpton and on to Odin*

:mad:

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
I don't have sky remember??

I'm sure they have fox kids in the states how do you watch all your db then, is that off the internet?

yeah i'm sure they do.....

no sky, you poor thing:(

at least you have the internet:)

[Krpton]

im sleepy now, need my beauty sleed, j/k. im off to bed.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Odin's Lapdog
how do you watch all your db then, is that off the internet?

yeah i'm sure they do.....

no sky, you poor thing:(

at least you have the internet:)

I HAD sky. I watched all of DBZ before I got rid of that crap.

Besides I've downloaded all the dual audio uncut DVD rips:up:

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
You didn't like spidey?

For that you must DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*turns his attention from krpton and on to Odin*

:mad: it comes third on the superhero movie list for me....



and i could go at this all day long, without the name calling. i got myself ready before i came online. Saying this, this isn't the thread to do it in.

so i won't take up this confrontation now, but we shall meet again jay....

:p

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
I HAD sky. I watched all of DBZ before I get rid of that crap.

Besides I've downloaded all the dual audio uncut DVD rips:up: Well i tend not to watch sky anymore, too busy posting so i see what you mean....

lucky bastard:(


and good night krpton and remember to relax...

[Guyverjay]

You can download them as well if you wish

DB DBZ and DBGT DVD rips are all available on the internet if you know where to look

[Odin's Lapdog]

my computer is far too feeble for such a task. i'll wait till i get to uni and use the computers there,

and GT and Z would be low down on my list if i could download things. i have to find a couple of series of Transformers first, and the whole Gold ranger saga in PR Zeo (and maybe find some eps where Red is kicking green's ass to use in a avatar just to annoy you ;) )

[Guyverjay]

TOMMY, ALRIGHT!!!!!:mad:

You can get the all the DVD rips of TF seasons 1 through 4 on suprnova. I bought them off amazon personally

[Odin's Lapdog]

if they are available on DVD then i'll go treat myself to a late birthday present...

and BTW you spelt jason incorrectly, it's J A S O N, not T O M M Y

:p

j/k (or am i...)

[Guyverjay]

http://www.rangercentral.com/mmpr-rg-jason02.jpg

See Jason wants to be just like Tommy because green is the best:p

Plus Tommy got the poontang (pink ranger). You've got to give him respect for that:o

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
http://www.rangercentral.com/mmpr-rg-jason02.jpg

See Jason wants to be just like Tommy because green is the best:p

Plus Tommy got the poontang (pink ranger). You've got to give him respect for that:o Kimberly was hardly the catch of the day though, and it's not all about the poontang ya know

and i remember that ep, that was a good one!!!

and i didn't see tommy trying his luck when jason was wearing the gold threads, did you?;)

and where was kimberly then huh?

[Odin's Lapdog]

jason could take goku...

[Guyverjay]

Bah tommy was out of power . Jason NEEDED the green rangers shield to get the Job done. Once more proving that GREEN = BEST

Kimberly was hot:o

All Jason got was Billy:p

Originally posted by Odin's Lapdog
jason could take goku...

:mad:

[Odin's Lapdog]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Bah tommy was out of power . Jason NEEDED the green rangers shield to get the Job done. Once more proving that GREEN = BEST

Kimberly was hot:o

All Jason got was Billy:p what's wrong with billy, i mean he's no Zack but still...

rita was hotter than kimberly;) and so was goldar:D

i haven't got the relevant info to put up a decent fight in this case so i shall just go with this

JASON WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[Odin's Lapdog]

you know it's true...

well my work here is done, see you in a spoiler thread one of these days

;)


as you were chaps...

[War Lord]

You guys are almost becoming friends.

[Guyverjay]

You still suck, Jonty:o

[Smoke87]

[img]http://00fun.com/wimg/leapdog.jpg

[Odin's Lapdog]

i'll post this on your behalf, what ever it's supposed to mean:o

[img]http://www.00fun.com/wimg/leapdog.jpg[img]

EDIT: ah screw it...

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
You still suck, Jonty:o

You're just hoping I fulfill one of your life long fantasies.


No man, I will not suck.

[Guyverjay]

You suck:up:

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by ohwattagosiam
If he hasn't destroyed a universe, then what info is there to support the claim that he can?

So, can anybody provide proof of the above? (BTW I'm asking about Goku).

Originally posted by guyverjay
I'll let oter argue about wether Goku can destoy te universe or not because I really can 't be bothered

Somebody buy this man a consonant. Preferably a 'H'. ;)

[Krpton]

a 10X kamehameha in gtcould not take out the sun, rememeber when ssj4 goku did it to bebi, so the sun is part of the universe, so if goku cant take that out, then he cant take out the universe right?

yes it true that z fighters can blow up planets with their finger, but i cant see them destroying a galaxy in one blow.

[GammaBeast]

He wasn't trying to destroy the sun, that would have been stupid, he was just pushing Bebi into the sun.

[Krpton]

He wasn't trying to destroy the sun, that would have been stupid, he was just pushing Bebi into the sun.

yes thats true, but after he pushed bebi into the sun with the 10X kamehameha it exploded and the sun didnt have no harm at all, and this is supposed to be goku most powerfulest move.

[GammaBeast]

Powerfulets?...alright I'll ignore that for now.

Bebi's ship blew up...so what? Notice that when DBZ characters release huge enery blasts more than powerful enough to wipe out the planet, the planet remains? My theory is that it's because they can use energy differently, thats why some huge energy attacks merely scratch the surface of planets while very small ones dead on destroy worlds.

And for the record, Goku's strongest move is the spirit bomb.

[Krpton]

thats ur opnion about energy being used, i dont agree with u thereoy but well its not fact, so it cannot be used in this argument.

yes its the spirit bomb, but it cannot destroy planets, suns etc, this is because it only destroys evil, is will not hurt people who are good or pure hearted, the planets, sun etc. cannot be destroyed, because they are not evil, so if goku wanted to destroy a planet, the spirit bomb is the weakest move to use.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
a 10X kamehameha in gtcould not take out the sun, rememeber when ssj4 goku did it to bebi, so the sun is part of the universe, so if goku cant take that out, then he cant take out the universe right?

yes it true that z fighters can blow up planets with their finger, but i cant see them destroying a galaxy in one blow.

Isn't it funny how you disregard GT when it goes against your argument, but then bring it up when yout think it can strengthen it

Goku wasn't trying to destroy the sun, your argument is flawed.

But it does prove that ki blasts are beyond light speed though again

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by ohwattagosiam
Somebody buy this man a consonant. Preferably a 'H'. ;)
Not at all, I've never said that Goku can destroy the universe. So why should I be the one to argue about it?

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
thats ur opnion about energy being used, i dont agree with u thereoy but well its not fact, so it cannot be used in this argument.

yes its the spirit bomb, but it cannot destroy planets, suns etc, this is because it only destroys evil, is will not hurt people who are good or pure hearted, the planets, sun etc. cannot be destroyed, because they are not evil, so if goku wanted to destroy a planet, the spirit bomb is the weakest move to use.

I don't believe anyone has ever tried to use a spirit bomb against a planet. If they did it could probably destroy it. Otherwise the spirit bomb would just bounce when it touched the ground at all.

Even hypothetically if it couldn't harm the planet a lone, Goku could absorb it into his body and gain an amazing boost in power.

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Not at all, I've never said that Goku can destroy the universe. So why should I be the one to argue about it?

Keh? That reply makes no sense to me whatsoever.
I wasn't asking you to. You've already said that you'd rather let others' tell me about it. My post was asking if anyone would/could. :confused:

The buy guyverjay a 'h' thing was a joke on my part since in that particular post of yours, you seemed to be missing some. Not a good joke granted, but a joke all the same.

[Guyverjay]

Okay. I was wondering what you were on about:D

[Hellscream]

a good fight would be bulma and superman :D

[Krpton]

VIsn't it funny how you disregard GT when it goes against your argument, but then bring it up when yout think it can strengthen it

i never did once disregard gt, so do u want gt allowed in the argumet?

well personally i dont think it should count because they have got lots of plotholes and they get things rong in gt, the only reason i used he 10X kamehameha argument is because what other move is stronger than the kamehameha, the 10x kamehameha, if that coulnt destroy the sun, how is a normal kamehameha gonna do it.


Goku wasn't trying to destroy the sun, your argument is flawed.

yes thats true, but after he pushed bebi into the sun with the 10X kamehameha it exploded and the sun didnt have no harm at all, and this is supposed to be goku most powerfulest move.

the 10X kamehameha could even add to the sun, it probably would.


But it does prove that ki blasts are beyond light speed though again

yes it does, but thats up to u if gt still counts?


Even hypothetically if it couldn't harm the planet a lone, Goku could absorb it into his body and gain an amazing boost in power. - gammabeast

No, Goku can not absorb the spirt bomb , it would just bounce back because of his pure heart like it did when Gohan bounced back the spirt bomb during the fight with vegeta during the sayian saga.

[Anubis]

I take it you didn't see the movie with android 13 then?

[Guyverjay]

The kamehameha DID NOT explode. If you actually watch it again (the origianal japanese one that is). He pushs the ship towards the sun. The blast STOPS and a few seconds later bebis SHIP EXPLODES. Goku says that bebi has FALLEN into the sun, his own words. The kamehameha never actually touched the sun, it just pushed bebi ship close enough to the sun for the gravity to pull him in. It pretty obvious really. Even IF gokus kamehameha isn't powerful enough to destroy the sun , do you really think he would take the chance and fire it into the sun anyway??


I don't need GT to prove that ki blasts and a sayans can go light speed. Both piccollo and roshi could shoot their ki at light speed and gotenks circled the earth MULTIPLE times. I know what you are going to say. "They were doing it for 30 min blah blah"

WRONG

1) Gotenks leaves light trails as he circles the earth

2) After he is finished he goes TO SLEEP (waiting for piccollo)

3) He says to picollo that he's slows and that he not only went around the earth multiple times but had a nap as well. Thats where the 29 minutes went.

[Krpton]

genki dama can't destroy planets, i saw the androids 13, 14 and 15 movie, and there the genki dama doesn't destroy anything except android 13

[Guyverjay]

So are you now using movies to prove your point krpton??

[Krpton]

nope, im just answering anibus, anyway i didnt need movies, because the genki dama bounced of gohan.

[GammaBeast]

The events of the movie cannot be taken in to consideration for events, but I believe the physics of the world can be. In the android 13 movie he absorbed the spirit bomb into himself, it was energy under his control. It's similar to what happened in the brolly movie except there he pulled the energy directly into himself instead of forming a spirit bomb.

If you just want to go with the show, look at when he used it on Vegeta. He lost alot of the energy, but it was still in his body for him to give it to Krillin.

[Krpton]

but in the show the spirit bomb cannot be absorbed. show>>>movies.

[Krpton]

Even IF gokus kamehameha isn't powerful enough to destroy the sun , do you really think he would take the chance and fire it into the sun anyway??

c'mon even u must agree a kamehameha cant even take out a half a galxy?


I don't need GT to prove that ki blasts and a sayans can go light speed. Both piccollo and roshi could shoot their ki at light speed and gotenks circled the earth MULTIPLE times. I know what you are going to say. "They were doing it for 30 min blah blah"

okay lets forget about gt and the movies. lets not bring those into the argument.


Gotenks leaves light trails as he circles the earth

thatd oesnt proove thet they are speed of light or beyond

After he is finished he goes TO SLEEP (waiting for piccollo)

no one knows hoe long he took to go around the world multiple times and how long his nap was, it was never stated. but from wht we saw, and we did see th whole thing, gotenks had a nap which was only in the seconds, and because he is cocky he said to piccolo that he had a nap., cuz thats part of his charatcer, he does things like that.

[B[He says to picollo that he's slows and that he not only went around the earth multiple times but had a nap as well. Thats where the 29 minutes went.[/B]

thats toal bs, ur just speculating from air, no one knows, please stop making things up.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton

c'mon even u must agree a kamehameha cant even take out a half a galxy?

What has THAT got to with what I said??We are talking about a Star not the galaxy


okay lets forget about gt and the movies. lets not bring those into the argument.

I'll bring up what the hell I wish, after all you do


thatd oesnt proove thet they are speed of light or beyond

Er yes it does maybe you don't understand the concept of LIGHT trails. To leave a LIGHT trail you have to be going as fast or faster than light. Why are you even bothering to argue? I've already proven that ki blasts can go as fast as light (they ARE light) and we've seen sayans dodge and outfly ki blasts


no one knows hoe long he took to go around the world multiple times and how long his nap was, it was never stated. but from wht we saw, and we did see th whole thing, gotenks had a nap which was only in the seconds, and because he is cocky he said to piccolo that he had a nap., cuz thats part of his charatcer, he does things like that.


If No one knows then WHY do YOU say that it took him 30 minutes to circle the earth? You can't say noone knows and then pretend that you do. You're chatting garbage. Gotenks flew through SPACE when he circled the earth. Do you think he held his breath for 30 mins? Why woud he even bother to fly around for half an hour?



thats toal bs, ur just speculating from air, no one knows, please stop making things up.

Oh thats rich coming from the "make things up speculating machine" that is krpton.:rolleyes:




http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Gotenks.gif

NUFF SAID

[Krpton]

What has THAT got to with what I said??We are talking about a Star not the galaxy

do u think goku can destroy a galaxy anyway?


I'll bring up what the hell I wish, after all you do

no i dont, i used it as examples, anyway its a gud think cuz gt goku is way stronger than z goku.


Er yes it does maybe you don't understand the concept of LIGHT trails. To leave a LIGHT trail you have to be going as fast or faster than light. Why are you even bothering to argue? I've already proven that ki blasts can go as fast as light (they ARE light) and we've seen sayans dodge and outfly ki blasts


no one knows hoe long he took to go around the world multiple times and how long his nap was, it was never stated. but from wht we saw, and we did see th whole thing, gotenks had a nap which was only in the seconds, and because he is cocky he said to piccolo that he had a nap., cuz thats part of his charatcer, he does things like that.


If No one knows then WHY do YOU say that it took him 30 minutes to circle the earth? You can't say noone knows and then pretend that you do. You're chatting garbage. Gotenks flew through SPACE when he circled the earth. Do you think he held his breath for 30 mins? Why woud he even bother to fly around for half an hour?

i never ever said that, ur puttin words in my mouth, proove, find the post where i said it took 30 mins, i never said that, how can he fly for 30misn and take a nap, the fusion would be over by then.
but at the end of the day no one really knows.


Oh thats rich coming from the "make things up speculating machine" that is krpton.

"cough cough" wht did u just do saying gotenks had 29min nap, thats pure speculating.

[Krpton]

anyway, who is faster pre-crisisn superman or goku?

[Guyverjay]

Okay lets recap on the garbage krpton has spewed in this thread (for the benefit of those who can't be bothered to read through all of it.) shall we

1)Gotenks took 20 minutes (yes he said 20 and not 30 my mistake ) to fly around the earth 8 times (dispite the fact it was 9 times). He said it states 20 mins in the manga (rubbish). Then he later on says that NOONE really knows:rolleyes:

2)IT is the speed of light, so gokus maximum speed must be slower. )Despite the fact that in the original manga (which he says he has read) it never gives a speed)

3)Superman can put moisture into energy

4)Post crisis Superman can travel 20 times the speed of light (despite the fact that DC says 99% )

5)Saying that superman going into the sun is an act of durability (despite the fact that it is his power source)

6) Mentioning cooler being killed in the sun to back up DB characters not being as durable as superman . Then later on saying that the movies don't actually matter

7)Posting Dragoball facts from another website and then pretending they are his own points

8)Not being able to explain the buus (despite saying that he's read the manga) and having to ASK on another messageboard for the answer

9) Completely making up some purifying process nonsense in GT to disprove Goku may be immortal

10)Superman can't be ripped apart( despite the fact thats he's been beaten to death twice)

11)Superman can blow hard enough to bend the fabric of existance

12) Goku was scared of getting blown up with the planet namek. (despite the fact that he CHOSE to stay)

13)Using Mystic gohans death from the implosion of earth to prove that Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet. (Despite the fact that Gohan was unconcious and drained of energy from being inside of buu.)

14) Saying Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet (despite the fact that the weaker frieza could.). In fact the weaker freiza was dying BEFORE the planet even went up but he still survived the explosion and lasted long enough to be rescued. Of course Freiza bot then decided to destroy the earth (when fighting trunks) with a blast that was 10 times more powerful than the one used on Namek. If he couldn't survive a planet exploding why would he blow it up while he was still on it?

15)Superman is immortal

16) Superman will go to the sun and get a boost and that energy will be with him forever. (despite the fact that supes is a battery and his energy can run out). Not ony that but he seems to think that whenever supes is in trouble he will just go off into the sun. .

17)SS4 Goku is only slightly stronger than mystic Gohan (**** knows where you got that from)

18)Talking about a WW3 JLA issue (a comic that he's never read)

19) Saying that Goku is NOT stronger than Superman (despite the fact that there is no evidence to prove that Goku is weaker because he's never been shown to reach a limit, and he says WE speculate?)

20)Superman can get a power boost from a RED STAR (do I even to explain the absolute stupidity of that one???)

21)Superman doesn't get injured (ever heard of Doomsday?)

22)Superman is apparently a fighting genius:rolleyes: (LOL)

23)Superman can BLOW a kamahamaha wave back

24) Ki blasts don't move at super speed (despite the fact they can reach the sun in seconds when it take Superman 8 MINUTES)

25)Superman has mastered super speed fighting (despite the fact that he virtually never actually does it,. He regularly gets hit by people who are nowhere near his speed)

26)Superman can freeze PURE ENERGY ( I don't think I need to bother explaining that one)

27)Apparently martial arts in a fight doesn't really matter because "a punch is a punch and kick is a kick"

28)If you're stronger and faster than your opponent, you don't need fighting skills(tell that to Batman and Caprtain america)

29)Using Smallville as evidence and then saying its based on the comics (the only thing they have in common are the names of some of the characters:D )

30)He says the Hulk has the abilty to stop objects crumbling under thier own weight just like Superman (dispite the fact that ths has never been stated in his entire 40 year history)

31) Breath has spirit energy because it comes from inside your body (my god this stuff gets worse)

32) Superboy gets his Tactile telekinisis from superman because he's a clone, therefore Superman has tactile TK. (Despite the fact that superboy is NOT a perfect clone of supes (he's part human) because that its IMPOSSIBLE and superman not actually having that power)


33)Saying that he will SCAN his manga to show us the panels of Gohan teaching Videl. (Then not only NOT doing it but later on stating that he actually had it on it on his computer, read it and deleted it a long time ago:rolleyes: )

34)A wooden splinter entering your body automatically becomes Ki energy (LOL)

35)He says at one time superman could do ANYTHING that you can imagine

36)Superman solar energy stores is enough power to destroy the universe, (Despite the fact even if the entire sun were to blow it wouldn't even destroy 1% of the galaxy)

37)Using Supermans turning back time in the movie by rotatiing the earth as an example, But then later saying you can't use Dragonball movies as examples

38)Saying a giant ape had enough power to destroy the planet despite it not being able to break out of a steel cage)

39)Supes can tickle Goku to death

40)Saying that only the manga matters then using parts of GT in his argument

41) Using Kingdom come in his superman examples (despite the fact that it isn't continuity and he hasn't read it)

42) Accepting comic evidence whenever supes does something spectacular but disregarding it (saying it doesn't matter) when he gets his ass kicked

No doubt there is more (and yes I was bored, being off work with the flu will do that:p)

Yes this a long post, not as long as his combined drivvle (since he's repeated himself like 100 times since he entered the thread).

This is why discussing anything with him is pointless because as these points show, he really is... well to be civil about it... just plain Dumb. I hope everyone else actually bothers to read the points (yes a few minute maybe too much for krptons attention span but maybe others will read) and realise this as well:)

[Krpton]

boy i aint reading all that

[Krpton]

u knowits pretty sad that someone who would go through all of that to show me, but i dont bother reading it.

[Krpton]

ok where do u get energy from?, i talking about energy to move not electricity etc.

[Krpton]

also y bring da past into it, whts the point, wht u gettin out of it, i dont understand y u typed all dat, yes i know u did stupid thing, but u telling me again, whts that gonna do?

also i just want this argument over and done with, i dont see ur reason for doin all that.

anyway i aint gonna read that, thats look a whole lot of writing.

and answer my question please.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
u knowits pretty sad that someone who would go through all of that to show me, but i dont bother reading it.

I just read it and if you really did say all those things. Then you really are a Jackass:D

Point 20 is the funniest one:up:

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Krpton
anyway, who is faster pre-crisisn superman or goku? Supes, by alot. He can move at near limitless speeds, Hell He could build an entire undergrong city in a manner of seconds. See:
http://theages.superman.ws/images/plan.gif
There is nothing I seen or hear of that Goku can do to bridge that gap.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Okay lets recap on the garbage krpton has spewed in this thread (for the benefit of those who can't be bothered to read through all of it.) shall we

1)Gotenks took 20 minutes (yes he said 20 and not 30 my mistake ) to fly around the earth 8 times (dispite the fact it was 9 times). He said it states 20 mins in the manga (rubbish). Then he later on says that NOONE really knows:rolleyes:

2)IT is the speed of light, so gokus maximum speed must be slower. )Despite the fact that in the original manga (which he says he has read) it never gives a speed)

3)Superman can put moisture into energy

4)Post crisis Superman can travel 20 times the speed of light (despite the fact that DC says 99% )

5)Saying that superman going into the sun is an act of durability (despite the fact that it is his power source)

6) Mentioning cooler being killed in the sun to back up DB characters not being as durable as superman . Then later on saying that the movies don't actually matter

7)Posting Dragoball facts from another website and then pretending they are his own points

8)Not being able to explain the buus (despite saying that he's read the manga) and having to ASK on another messageboard for the answer

9) Completely making up some purifying process nonsense in GT to disprove Goku may be immortal

10)Superman can't be ripped apart( despite the fact thats he's been beaten to death twice)

11)Superman can blow hard enough to bend the fabric of existance

12) Goku was scared of getting blown up with the planet namek. (despite the fact that he CHOSE to stay)

13)Using Mystic gohans death from the implosion of earth to prove that Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet. (Despite the fact that Gohan was unconcious and drained of energy from being inside of buu.)

14) Saying Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet (despite the fact that the weaker frieza could.). In fact the weaker freiza was dying BEFORE the planet even went up but he still survived the explosion and lasted long enough to be rescued. Of course Freiza bot then decided to destroy the earth (when fighting trunks) with a blast that was 10 times more powerful than the one used on Namek. If he couldn't survive a planet exploding why would he blow it up while he was still on it?

15)Superman is immortal

16) Superman will go to the sun and get a boost and that energy will be with him forever. (despite the fact that supes is a battery and his energy can run out). Not ony that but he seems to think that whenever supes is in trouble he will just go off into the sun. .

17)SS4 Goku is only slightly stronger than mystic Gohan (**** knows where you got that from)

18)Talking about a WW3 JLA issue (a comic that he's never read)

19) Saying that Goku is NOT stronger than Superman (despite the fact that there is no evidence to prove that Goku is weaker because he's never been shown to reach a limit, and he says WE speculate?)

20)Superman can get a power boost from a RED STAR (do I even to explain the absolute stupidity of that one???)

21)Superman doesn't get injured (ever heard of Doomsday?)

22)Superman is apparently a fighting genius:rolleyes: (LOL)

23)Superman can BLOW a kamahamaha wave back

24) Ki blasts don't move at super speed (despite the fact they can reach the sun in seconds when it take Superman 8 MINUTES)

25)Superman has mastered super speed fighting (despite the fact that he virtually never actually does it,. He regularly gets hit by people who are nowhere near his speed)

26)Superman can freeze PURE ENERGY ( I don't think I need to bother explaining that one)

27)Apparently martial arts in a fight doesn't really matter because "a punch is a punch and kick is a kick"

28)If you're stronger and faster than your opponent, you don't need fighting skills(tell that to Batman and Caprtain america)

29)Using Smallville as evidence and then saying its based on the comics (the only thing they have in common are the names of some of the characters:D )

30)He says the Hulk has the abilty to stop objects crumbling under thier own weight just like Superman (dispite the fact that ths has never been stated in his entire 40 year history)

31) Breath has spirit energy because it comes from inside your body (my god this stuff gets worse)

32) Superboy gets his Tactile telekinisis from superman because he's a clone, therefore Superman has tactile TK. (Despite the fact that superboy is NOT a perfect clone of supes (he's part human) because that its IMPOSSIBLE and superman not actually having that power)


33)Saying that he will SCAN his manga to show us the panels of Gohan teaching Videl. (Then not only NOT doing it but later on stating that he actually had it on it on his computer, read it and deleted it a long time ago:rolleyes: )

34)A wooden splinter entering your body automatically becomes Ki energy (LOL)

35)He says at one time superman could do ANYTHING that you can imagine

36)Superman solar energy stores is enough power to destroy the universe, (Despite the fact even if the entire sun were to blow it wouldn't even destroy 1% of the galaxy)

37)Using Supermans turning back time in the movie by rotatiing the earth as an example, But then later saying you can't use Dragonball movies as examples

38)Saying a giant ape had enough power to destroy the planet despite it not being able to break out of a steel cage)

39)Supes can tickle Goku to death

40)Saying that only the manga matters then using parts of GT in his argument

41) Using Kingdom come in his superman examples (despite the fact that it isn't continuity and he hasn't read it)

42) Accepting comic evidence whenever supes does something spectacular but disregarding it (saying it doesn't matter) when he gets his ass kicked

No doubt there is more (and yes I was bored, being off work with the flu will do that:p)

Yes this a long post, not as long as his combined drivvle (since he's repeated himself like 100 times since he entered the thread).

This is why discussing anything with him is pointless because as these points show, he really is... well to be civil about it... just plain Dumb. I hope everyone else actually bothers to read the points (yes a few minute maybe too much for krptons attention span but maybe others will read) and realise this as well:) It seems like there is lots of pre and post crisis Supes mixing here. I really don't know who keeps doing that, but it common knowledge that one is ALOT more poweful than the other.

[Guyverjay]

Pre crisis supes was always doing stuff like that. Mr majestic is exactly like him. Even looks like him. Apparently DC has introduced him to the DC universe after they bought Wildstorm from Jim Lee. I'm not sure if they have depowered him othough . In fact My majestic is probably more powerful than pre crisis superman because he has no weaknesses.

The omnipotent verison of Goku (if there is truly such a thing) would still own them both just like Mr mxylptlk

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
It seems like there is lots of pre and post crisis Supes mixing here. I really don't know who keeps doing that, but it common knowledge that one is ALOT more poweful than the other.

You don't know.?They are all krptons points and they are all lunacy imo (most of them were made before he even found out what crisis was). Unless you think some of them are true for pre crisis ??:confused: Name em

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Pre crisis supes was always doing stuff like that. Mr majestic is exactly like him. Even looks like him. Apparently DC has introduced him to the DC universe after they bought Wildstorm from Jim Lee. I'm not sure if they have depowered him othough . In fact My majestic is probably more powerful than pre crisis superman because he has no weaknesses.

The omnipotent verison of Goku (if there is truly such a thing) would still own them both just like Mr mxylptlk But then Supes can take the Sword of Superman and become omnipotent as well. Lets see if I can find the link again.

[Guyverjay]

Except supes with the sword isn't a version of superman (its just supes holding a mystical sword)

Thats like saying well Aunt may with the infinty gauntlet is omnipotent

Also wth the sword he became omniscient, no where does it say he became omnipotent. Theres a difference

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
You don't know.?They are all krptons points and they are all lunacy imo (most of them were made before he even found out what crisis was). Unless you think some of them are true for pre crisis ??:confused: Name em Here is the website that has a list of at least some of his wacky feats.
Link (http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php#speed)

But I have heard of others. Such as punching a hole in the universe, Stopping Entropy and Some others that I can at the moment put my finger on. But krpton really isn't too far off.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
Here is the website that has a list of at least some of his wacky feats.
Link (http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php#speed)

But I have heard of others. Such as punching a hole in the universe, Stopping Entropy and Some others that I can at the moment put my finger on. But krpton really isn't too far off.

I know what pre crsis superman can do (I've read enough of those books to know) 20 times the speed of light ring a bell?. But as I said name me some points were he isn't "far off". Besides as I was stating he was talking about post crisis 99% of the ime

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Except supes with the sword isn't a version of superman (its just supes holding a mystical sword)

Thats like saying well Aunt may with the infinty gauntlet is omnipotent

Also wth the sword he became omniscient, no where does it say he became omnipotent. Theres a difference Dunno about that It's debatable, as the dialog is vague at best. It point to him knowing everthing, and being connected to everything.

As for you first conclusion it's incorrect since the sword is only for Superman, plus it joins with him giving him more power. But that's all I got from the comic. PreCrisis stuff is really bizzare.

[Guyverjay]

Regardless of whether the swords meant for him or not its still an outside artifact. He doesn't become one with it or anything. He only hold for it a couple of seconds as soon as lets go he goes back to normal.

[Krpton]

yeh when i posted most of the whack i didnt know about crisis.

but anyway, i take it that pre-crisisis faster than goku. hell pre-crisis even turned back time in the movies.

and we all agree pre-crisis superman has more strength.

and after reading the website krock gave, superman can withstand more punishment.

so y wouldnt pre-crisis superman not win in a fight against ssj3 goku jay?

[Guyverjay]

Wait

So you agree that most of the stuff you posted was complete crap?

Btw krpton what is crisis? and I want YOUR answer not some answer you've tracked down on the net

As for your other questiom

Where have I ever said that SSJ3 goku could beat pre crsis superman??

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Regardless of whether the swords meant for him or not its still an outside artifact. He doesn't become one with it or anything. He only hold for it a couple of seconds as soon as lets go he goes back to normal. Well your forgetting the fact that he gave it up b/c he didn't want that much power/felt that he was ready to take it. As for Krpton I'll deal with him/set him straight.

[Krpton]

Btw krpton what is crisis? and I want YOUR answer not some answer you've tracked down on the net

there was something call Crisis On Infinite Earth, this was dun coz the continuity was all mixed up, for instance some people aged and some didnt, thats y they did this so the probelm wouldbe fixed. anything that happen before this was completely earased from existence. so basically pre-crisis means thing that happended before this and are no longer in continuity, it like it never happened.



Where have I ever said that SSJ3 goku could beat pre crsis superman??

"The omnipotent verison of Goku (if there is truly such a thing) would still own them both just like Mr mxylptlk"

[Guyverjay]

How is SSJ3 the omnipotent version of Goku????

Btw that isn't your answer you got that from the thread Lordcrom made conveintly a few minutes ago:o

[Krpton]

i havent been on the dc thread yet

[Krpton]

LOL!!!

jay, i can honestly say that i never copied no one, lol wht i coincidence the last bit ended similiar, it cant be cuz i never visited the dc board, i went to straight to dragonball board.

omg, cant believe it, i swear i never copied, lol. cant believe dat.

out of all time, i posted after him i think.

lol, c'mon u must believe me.

[GammaBeast]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the sword of superman not part of his continuity at all?

[Krpton]

so jay, do u agree that pre crisis supes >>>ssj3 goku?

[Langoth]

Personally, I don't think Krpton knows **** about DBZ, and really shouldn't partake in this argument, as he obviously has no clue the extents of the peoples' powers.

Here are a list of characters that would defeat any form of Superman-

Goku
Gogeta
Vegito
Super Buu
Mystic Gohan
Brolly
Garlic jr. (as long as he isn't retarded enough to open the deadzone)


Those are just characters from DBZ and its movies, let alone GT.

The speed that DBZ characters move at by the Cell games is so mind numbling fast, they might as well just be moving the universe to get where they want to go. As when they were 10-30 times weaker in the Frieza Saga, they were breaking the Speed of Light.

Hell Super Buu would just absorb Super-man-*****.

Kryton, you obviously have no clue as to the extend of DBZ characters, and seem to be too fixated on how 'godly' Crisis Superman is, that you have no clue as to even understand the full extend of these guys abilities.

Buu able to blow up planets with absolutely no effort for instance. Vegito beating Buu with no effort.

Its almost disgraceful half the arguments and 'facts' you brought up.

[Krpton]

Personally, I don't think Krpton knows **** about DBZ, and really shouldn't partake in this argument, as he obviously has no clue the extents of the peoples' powers.

Here are a list of characters that would defeat any form of Superman-

Goku
Gogeta
Vegito
Super Buu
Mystic Gohan
Brolly
Garlic jr. (as long as he isn't retarded enough to open the deadzone)


Those are just characters from DBZ and its movies, let alone GT.

The speed that DBZ characters move at by the Cell games is so mind numbling fast, they might as well just be moving the universe to get where they want to go. As when they were 10-30 times weaker in the Frieza Saga, they were breaking the Speed of Light.

Hell Super Buu would just absorb Super-man-*****.

Kryton, you obviously have no clue as to the extend of DBZ characters, and seem to be too fixated on how 'godly' Crisis Superman is, that you have no clue as to even understand the full extend of these guys abilities.

Buu able to blow up planets with absolutely no effort for instance. Vegito beating Buu with no effort.

Its almost disgraceful half the arguments and 'facts' you brought up.

Well Pre-Crisis Supermanis more faster, stronger and more durable, whats so hard about that to understand?

Superman turned back time, the only thing Goku would be doin is eating supes pre-crisis dust.

[Langoth]

Funny, but turning back time doesn't mean ****, look what happened to pool guido? LOL

And note, DBZ characters could thearetically do the same, as they move many multiples the speed of light, just like your precious pre-crisis superman.

Oh wait, he only goes 99% the speed of light? Oh, yea, that's what DC said. *slaps forehead* I completely forgot!

Sorry pal, and please, tell me how he beats Garlic jr? Fighting an immortal... good luck Kent, you'll need it.

Not to mention, don't even start on durability, these guys take blasts that destroy whole worlds, and Super Buu could never be killed by Superman, as he does not have energy blasts. (You need those to kill Buu you know, as if you throw him into the sun, he'll blow it up, and SURVIVE! And guess what? That means no power for Kent!)

Oh and one more thing, if you say its BS that Buu blows up stars, guess again, he's destroyed whole sets of galaxies, three to be perice, in DBZ, that's 12 galaxys.

[Krpton]

And note, DBZ characters could thearetically do the same, as they move many multiples the speed of light, just like your precious pre-crisis superman.

then y didnt gotenks who is stronger than goku, reverse time when he went around the world multiple times. pre-crisis supes also time travels with his speed but nowdays only flash can do it. then y did bulma make a time machine for trunks to come into the future, because they cant time travel or reverse time, simple.
btw u just cant be multiple times faster than the speed of light, u have to be gazillion billion trillion million times the speed of light. which goku isnt, then instead goku can just reverse time when somethig wrong happens, but oh yeh i forgot he cant do that.


Oh wait, he only goes 99% the speed of light? Oh, yea, that's what DC said. *slaps forehead* I completely forgot!

do u know the difference between post-crisis and pre-crisis?
well post crisis is 99% the speed of light. then how in the blue hell did supes reverse time?


Not to mention, don't even start on durability, these guys take blasts that destroy whole worlds, and Super Buu could never be killed by Superman, as he does not have energy blasts. (You need those to kill Buu you know, as if you throw him into the sun, he'll blow it up, and SURVIVE! And guess what? That means no power for Kent!)

even if goku does take planet etroying blasts, goku gets mashed up still, he gets injured and bleeds from it. while superman absorbs enough energy to take a galaxy without even gettin his hair messed up, it was like nothing to him, didnt even faze him or anything. so that just prooves supermans durability>>>>>gokus.



Sorry pal, and please, tell me how he beats Garlic jr? Fighting an immortal... good luck Kent, you'll need it.

Oh and one more thing, if you say its BS that Buu blows up stars, guess again, he's destroyed whole sets of galaxies, three to be perice, in DBZ, that's 12 galaxys.

is this fight about supes vs garlik junior? NO!, is this fight about supes vs buu! NO!, get this, this fight is about superman vs goku, WOW!.

btw buu just blew up a couple of planets, and he cant detroy 1 galaxy in one blast. and supes would prob punch buu to the sun, sun>>>energy, after all where do the z fighter get their enrgy from?

[Langoth]

Dude, you are a ****ing idiot.

LISTEN TO THE DBZ STORY AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND

Not to mention, did you even listen to the Supreme Kai talk about Buu? Buu destroyed three other Galaxy formations. They belonged to the other kais, and they are dead.

READ, OR WATCH THE ACTUAL SERIES YOU FOOL

As I said, you have no clue as to what you are talking about, your a blabbering flamer.

As for Gotenks, he was not moving at his full speed. DBZ characters while in travel don't move at their top speed, only during combat do they move at the speed where they bend light around them. (When they phase out basically, don't ask me WHY Akira Toryama designed it like that)


I can barely tolerate to continue this.

Note, most of the new facts you brought up, are just ones that were disproven before, GOOD JOB!

[XSpidercideX]

Post-Crises superman = Cell saga SSJ2 Gohan.
Pre-Crises superman = Post GT SSJ8 Goku.

End of story.:p

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by XSpidercideX
Post-Crises superman = Cell saga SSJ2 Gohan.
Pre-Crises superman = Post GT SSJ8 Goku.

End of story.:p

Post crisis supes is beneath SS1 Goku, easily, and if pre-crisis were that powerful he would cause a typhoon every time he blinked his eyes.

As for Krpton's statement about Goku still getting beaten up, if anything that is proof of his strength. If he can withstand attacks that destroy planets, yet this guys can physically hurt him. They must be incredibly strong, Goku is also able to hurt them back and surpass them in strength.

[Langoth]

When people clash in DBZ, punches send shockwaves out for kilometers that are capable of destroying buildings and solid granit (ex- See Frieza Saga, Buu Saga)

That is from them PUNCHING one another, punches that is so strong that it causes explosive shockwaves. Right there should be another example of how strong they are. You have to be stronger then the Juggernaut to cause that kind of punching power, in MID AIR TOO!

Superman doesn't cause those with regular punches and kicks.

[XSpidercideX]

Ok, maybe I gave supes too much. I was just doing that to appease the Super-man fanboys. Anyway, I think Post Crisis Superman would actually be on par with Frieza in his second form, (the one with the horns). Maybe after a sunbath he could be evenly matched with Frieza's final form.

Pre-crisis I think would be evenly matched with SSJ4 Gogeta.

[XSpidercideX]

Originally posted by XSpidercideX
Ok, maybe I gave supes too much. I was just doing that to appease the Super-man fanboys. Anyway, I think Post Crisis Superman would actually be on par with Frieza in his second form, (the one with the horns). Maybe after a sunbath he could be evenly matched with Frieza's final form.

Pre-crisis I think would be evenly matched with SSJ4 Gogeta.

SSJ4 Gogeta by the way (what I like to think he is) should be about 15 billion, a little under SSJ7 Goku's pl. Which is 20 billion. If Gogeta could reach SSJ10, he would be about 500 trillion.

[GammaBeast]

SS4 Gogeta was weaker than the final Goku. Goku's power had increased sufficiently that he was above his former combined power with Vegeta.

You keep pulling up the number 15 billion, where are you getting that number? The only figured I've seen place Goku as the only one ever to pass 1 billion.

[Hawkeye3500]

I don't think there is any reason to be comparing SUperman to the made up SSJ levels by xSpidercidex, because like I said, they are made up. Heck, I barely even consider GT relevant because it was not created by Toriyama.

[XSpidercideX]

Its all made up. Even Superman.

[Krpton]

Dude, you are a ****ing idiot.

LISTEN TO THE DBZ STORY AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND

y u insultin me 4, easy, this is just an argument, y u gettin personal?


Not to mention, did you even listen to the Supreme Kai talk about Buu? Buu destroyed three other Galaxy formations. They belonged to the other kais, and they are dead.

the thing is buu doesnt do all that in one blast, he can only do a planet at a time in one ki blast.


READ, OR WATCH THE ACTUAL SERIES YOU FOOL

i do, y u callin me a fool, is it cuz wht i said is true.


As I said, you have no clue as to what you are talking about, your a blabbering flamer.

if i didnt, u wouldnt be arguing with me right now.


As for Gotenks, he was not moving at his full speed. DBZ characters while in travel don't move at their top speed, only during combat do they move at the speed where they bend light around them. (When they phase out basically, don't ask me WHY Akira Toryama designed it like that)

ur speculating now, u dont know of that was his top speed or not, but anyway goku ssj3 still cant be faster than gotenks. then y dont goku just turn back time when things go wrong, it doesnt take time because they are moving beyond the speed of light (which i disagree with), but anyway ur saying goku ssj3 speed >>>pre-crisis superman? ur prob the only one i know who says this.



I can barely tolerate to continue this.

me neither...

Note, most of the new facts you brought up, are just ones that were disproven before, GOOD JOB!

no it hasnt, stop chattin bs.



As for Krpton's statement about Goku still getting beaten up, if anything that is proof of his strength. If he can withstand attacks that destroy planets, yet this guys can physically hurt him. They must be incredibly strong, Goku is also able to hurt them back and surpass them in strength. - gammabeast

so ur saying supermans strength<<<<ssj3 gokus strength?
ok can ssj3 goku move planets? hell no.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
ur speculating now, u dont know of that was his top speed or not, but anyway goku ssj3 still cant be faster than gotenks. then y dont goku just turn back time when things go wrong, it doesnt take time because they are moving beyond the speed of light (which i disagree with), but anyway ur saying goku ssj3 speed >>>pre-crisis superman? ur prob the only one i know who says this.

This is the only one I can really tolerate addressing at the moment. The reason Goku doesn't turn back time is it would defeat the whole purpose of him fighting anyone. He could just run off, train then turn back time and do it again. That would get boring fast.

Answer me this, why doesn't supes turn back time every time something goes wrong? Answer is the same as for Goku, it is unecessary and would make for a boring story.

[Krpton]

still doesnt proove goku can turn back time.

[GammaBeast]

I never said it did.

But if moving faster than light allows superman to go back in time, then the same would apply for Goku if the two were to fight in a single place.

[MFM]

Whoa, Superman can't turn back time. That was in the movie, and has nothing to do with either Pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis Superman

[Krpton]

quick question, at wht saga do u think the z fighters reached the speed of light?

[Krpton]

Whoa, Superman can't turn back time. That was in the movie, and has nothing to do with either Pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis Superman

basically the movie superman is pre-crisis.

[Guyverjay]

The movie version is seperate unless you think superman can rebuild the great wall of china with his eyes and throw a giant plastic S from his chest:rolleyes:

[Langoth]

Originally posted by Krpton
quick question, at wht saga do u think the z fighters reached the speed of light?

That is a tough one... but my guess would be probably around the LATE Ginyu saga when Goku fought Jeice and Burter.

So, a Power Level of about 200,000 can go the speed of light.

[Krpton]

then y didnt a ssj future trunks just travel in time, instead of bulma speding lots and lots of time making a time machine, y could trunks just travel in time by using his speed?

so it looks like goku cant and superman can.

[Guyverjay]

Oh for God sake Krpton IT WAS THE MOVIE. Stop being DUMB FOR ONE SECOND OF YOUR LIFE.

How exactly are you supposed to measure how far back you go??

Even the pre crisis Flash used to use a treadmill to go back in time!!!

[Krpton]

no in the anime, when trunks came to beat metal frieza.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
then y didnt a ssj future trunks just travel in time, instead of bulma speding lots and lots of time making a time machine, y could trunks just travel in time by using his speed?

so it looks like goku cant and superman can.

I have the urge to hurt you...

[Krpton]

also when gotenks went around the world, how comes he never revesed time or even slow down time for that matter?

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
no in the anime, when trunks came to beat metal frieza.

*hits head on brick wall repeatedly*

*grits teeth*

I'm talking about the SUPERMAN movie simpleton

[Krpton]

I have the urge to hurt you...

i dont...

[Krpton]

I'm talking about the SUPERMAN movie simpleton

my bad, but the movie is still pre-crisis.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
also when gotenks went around the world, how comes he never revesed time or even slow down time for that matter?

Because torayama didn't write it that way. Do you think the flash goes back in time whenever he goes lightspeed??? NO

Did your mum drop you on your head when you were a baby??

Seriously krpton pretty much EVERYONE who speaks to you for more than 2 posts thinks you're an idiot:up:

Wise up man

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
I'm talking about the SUPERMAN movie simpleton

my bad, but the movie is still pre-crisis.

ugh I give up, if I was having this convo with you in real life I would have beaten the crap out of you by now:(

[Krpton]

but that sill doesnt explain y trunks used the time machine right?

[Guyverjay]

I've come to the conclusion that you are either

A)The BIGGEST moron in the entire civilised world (anybody who really believed that Doomsday's wang was made out of kryptonite can't be anything else)

or

B)You are acting like this on purpose (which I suppose would still make you the biggest moron in the entire civilised world)

Either way I'm done with you son

[Krpton]

Seriously krpton pretty much EVERYONE who speaks to you for more than 2 posts thinks you're an idiot

then y speak to me. well at least u never insulted me, i like dat.

[Krpton]

A)The BIGGEST moron in the entire civilised world (anybody who really believed that Doomsday's wang was made out of kryptonite can't be anything else)

damn y did i bump that doomsay thread up by axident.
anyway back then i was new, and didnt no NOTHING about it but i heard that doomsday was made from kryptonite, so if u was me, u wouldnt believe it either?

[Krpton]

then y speak to me. well at least u never insulted me, i like dat

i was mistaken..

[GammaBeast]

Krpton, learn this and remember what I'm about to say. The Superman movies are like the DBZ movies, they are NOT part of Supermans continuity at all.

[Hawkeye3500]

Originally posted by Krpton
damn y did i bump that doomsay thread up by axident.
anyway back then i was new, and didnt no NOTHING about it but i heard that doomsday was made from kryptonite, so if u was me, u wouldnt believe it either?

No one wants to be you, so don't even bother asking those questions. Anyways, YOU ARE A MORON!!!!!!! Superman cannot, I repeat, cannot change time.

Point number 1: When Superman changed back time, what happened to Lex Luthor's plan to take over the world? He already stopped it, yet the movie does not show him stop Lex again. Hmmm.....it was just a plot device to show Superman loves Lois and would do anything to stop anything bad from happenning, yet all of the other things that occured after Lois' death, did not reoccur. So technically, he did not change time, he just rose Lois from the dead.

Point number 2: Superman movies, like most of the DBZ movies are not in continuity. So, no arguments from either side are valid except for the few DBZ movies are. Notice that I say nothing of the Superman movies....hmmm....get a clue!

Point number 3: Any of the DBZ warriors don't change time because it would be stupid to do so and even if they tried to do it via the Superman movie way, all they would have to move in a fight and the whole world would be changed because they are just too damn fast. Yet, I just said that the Superman movies arguments are null and void, so this doesn't even matter!!!!

Point number 4: I think Goten and anyone stronger could beat the crap out of Superman.

[Langoth]

Originally posted by Krpton
but that sill doesnt explain y trunks used the time machine right?

Akira made sure that time travel was not possibly without machery in his universe, as NOTHING WOULD EVER GET ****ING DONE WITH IT.

Think about it, the entire non human cast, and even some of the humans, every time they lose, travel back in time, train more and win, but then the badguys do the same when THEY lose, and this repeats over and over.

The story wasn't allowed to be designed that way, so in DBZ moving at those speeds does not turn back time.

And its accident, not axident, go to a ****ing English class and learn something.

[Krpton]

Akira made sure that time travel was not possibly without machery in his universe, as NOTHING WOULD EVER GET ****ING DONE WITH IT.

Think about it, the entire non human cast, and even some of the humans, every time they lose, travel back in time, train more and win, but then the badguys do the same when THEY lose, and this repeats over and over.

The story wasn't allowed to be designed that way, so in DBZ moving at those speeds does not turn back time.

so the z fighters cant turn back time.



And its accident, not axident, go to a ****ing English class and learn something.

well its shorter this way. also it could have been a typo cuz the x is next to the c.
y u gettin angry over some spelling, chill out.

[Krpton]

Krpton, learn this and remember what I'm about to say. The Superman movies are like the DBZ movies, they are NOT part of Supermans continuity at all.

ok, but anyway golden age and silver age could time travel. and that is indeed pre-crisis.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
so the z fighters cant turn back time.

And neither can Superman!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Krpton]

And neither can Superman!!!!!!

agreed, but goledn and silover age supes went back in time, and trunks used a time machine.

[Krpton]

another quick question,

is babadi the speed of light or beyond? (yeh i know stupid question)

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by Krpton
another quick question,

is babadi the speed of light or beyond? (yeh i know stupid question)

No, he isn't. I had a race with Babadi once, and although he says he's faster than light, I kicked his ass! And I was running backwards. Babadi's so full of it. :D

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
another quick question,

is babadi the speed of light or beyond? (yeh i know stupid question)

Why the hell would you ask this question? Did he ever show anything that even hinted that he could do anything physically impressive? He had magical powers, but he never displayed any physical power.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Langoth
When people clash in DBZ, punches send shockwaves out for kilometers that are capable of destroying buildings and solid granit (ex- See Frieza Saga, Buu Saga)

That is from them PUNCHING one another, punches that is so strong that it causes explosive shockwaves. Right there should be another example of how strong they are. You have to be stronger then the Juggernaut to cause that kind of punching power, in MID AIR TOO!

Superman doesn't cause those with regular punches and kicks. Pre-Crisis Superman is a Lot stronger faster and more Powerful that the Goku you describe. He can extinguish a star with a sneeze. Juggle Planets, even destroy one with a punch. Time Travel I even heard that he crushed a Black hole with his bare hands. Look at my previous posts. Don't bother with Krptons post he too incoherent.

[Langoth]

Ok, Goku can destroy a planet with a finger, Superman needs a punch... take THAT! lol

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Langoth
Ok, Goku can destroy a planet with a finger, Superman needs a punch... take THAT! lol That same punch can bust a hole in space. Plus if a little sneeze can blow out an entire star, If he tried he could blow out an entire Galaxy or more.

[Guyverjay]

Either way you slice it kroc end of GT Goku cannot die and pre crisis superman can. You can go on about the extremely short and vague appearance of the sword of superman all you want but superman gave that up after like 2 seconds and he never had it again. Not only that it could be argued that end of GT goku is now a magical being (being that the dragonballs and the dragon shen long are magical). Even pre crisis superman still had his weakness to magic

Also I have to question half of the stuff you're feeding us here. You haven't even read half of the feats you say he has done:o

[Diamondhead]

Originally posted by Langoth
Ok, Goku can destroy a planet with a finger, Superman needs a punch... take THAT! lol C'mon guys these dragon ball characters are not to be taken seriously at all and therefore cannot be compared with Dc or Marvel characters
they have a dog for president for god' sake, and dinosaur still live on their planet. even the Archie comics are more serious than that
all these characters respect no physical law whosoever .they can detonate nuclear explosion from the tips of their fingers,
everybody can fly
they can destroy the universe and those dragon ball can brings it back to life
when Goku dies he keeps training in heaven with a stupid ring hovering on his head...
I enjoyed dragon ball z a lot ...but...
c'mon it is obvious that the authors is trying to put too much of everything in his creation .

this is not to be taken seriously by a seasoned American comic book reader and certainly not by the intelligent one .

[Krpton]

Originally posted by Krpton
another quick question,

is babadi the speed of light or beyond? (yeh i know stupid question)
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Why the hell would you ask this question? Did he ever show anything that even hinted that he could do anything physically impressive? He had magical powers, but he never displayed any physical power.

because babadi was dodgeing ki blasts when fat buu and ssj3 were fighting, but really goku was trying to waste time for trunks to get the dragon radar, and according to jay its meant to be faster than the speed of light.

speaking of the dragon radar, when goku told trunks to get the dragon radar, and saiyans are meant to be faster than the speed of light, trunks ssj took very long to get to capsule corp, goku by that time demonstarted the ssj3 transformation and compelted it, it was after that trunks landed. anyways goku could have easily used instant transmission, but ssj trunks really looked like he was light speed....(sarcasim)

[Krpton]

Ok, Goku can destroy a planet with a finger, Superman needs a punch... take THAT! lol

well let me see, was it because goku uses ki and superman doesnt, hmm......

anyway reads krocks post above urs.

[Krpton]

Either way you slice it kroc end of GT Goku cannot die and pre crisis superman can. You can go on about the extremely short and vague appearance of the sword of superman all you want but superman gave that up after like 2 seconds and he never had it again. Not only that it could be argued that end of GT goku is now a magical being (being that the dragonballs and the dragon shen long are magical). Even pre crisis superman still had his weakness to magic

Also I have to question half of the stuff you're feeding us here. You haven't even read half of the feats you say he has done

hey, gt should not be counted, that show is one big plothole, it doesnt make sense and facts are wrong in that show, also AT did do NOT write it, he did not know anything about it, when peple asked him question about gt, he was like i never came up with ssj4, i dont know it, he only did db and dbz. nor the gt movie.

y shouldnt supes with sword count? sow what if he hasnt got it anymore, post-crisis supes aint got the same power as pre-crisis, c'mon supes with sword should count.

anyway if u still count gt, u say goku is immortal, i dont agree, but i dont wanna get into that, all im gonna say is we never saw the dragon fuse with goku and it was never stated.

ok lets say goku is immortal and supes without sword, who is stronger? (not strength but overall)?

its pre-crisis supes.

[Jager X]

Krpton:
speaking of the dragon radar, when goku told trunks to get the dragon radar, and saiyans are meant to be faster than the speed of light, trunks ssj took very long to get to capsule corp, goku by that time demonstarted the ssj3 transformation and compelted it, it was after that trunks landed. anyways goku could have easily used instant transmission, but ssj trunks really looked like he was light speed....(sarcasim)


1.trunks didn't know where the dragon radar was located in the capsule corp.
2.even if goku used IT,he still didn't know where the damn thing was-which would've wasted even more time.
3.if goku left trunks to look for the radar then buu would've brutalized trunks and blew up the city before goku can make it back.
4.it would be stupid to leave a child to defend himself against a monster like buu.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
speaking of the dragon radar, when goku told trunks to get the dragon radar, and saiyans are meant to be faster than the speed of light, trunks ssj took very long to get to capsule corp, goku by that time demonstarted the ssj3 transformation and compelted it, it was after that trunks landed. anyways goku could have easily used instant transmission, but ssj trunks really looked like he was light speed....(sarcasim)

Think about this, when their in battle they move so fast their invisible. That is their top speed, since trunks wasn't invisible he obviously wasn't moving at his fastest speed.

You need to keep in mind this is a story and needs to be interesting. If he had just gone to capsule corp in an instant it would have ruined the suspense and Goku would have had to reason to go SS3.

[MFM]

Originally posted by Krpton
Krpton, learn this and remember what I'm about to say. The Superman movies are like the DBZ movies, they are NOT part of Supermans continuity at all.

ok, but anyway golden age and silver age could time travel. and that is indeed pre-crisis. No, my friend. Just no.

[xScarletSpiderx]

Originally posted by Diamondhead
C'mon guys these dragon ball characters are not to be taken seriously at all and therefore cannot be compared with Dc or Marvel characters (And you are supposed to take DC or Marvel characters seriously?)
they have a dog for president for god' sake, and dinosaur still live on their planet. even the Archie comics are more serious than that (Ummm.... people die in DBZ sometimes not for very long mind you... but people die. Sounds more serious then Archie comics if you ask me...)
all these characters respect no physical law whosoever .they can detonate nuclear explosion from the tips of their fingers,
everybody can fly (Last time i checked, there are a lot of Marvel and DC characters that can fly and bend the rules of physics)
they can destroy the universe and those dragon ball can brings it back to life (They never actually destroyed the Universe... planets.. yes.. Universe no)

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Diamondhead
C'mon guys these dragon ball characters are not to be taken seriously at all and therefore cannot be compared with Dc or Marvel characters
they have a dog for president for god' sake, and dinosaur still live on their planet. even the Archie comics are more serious than that
all these characters respect no physical law whosoever .they can detonate nuclear explosion from the tips of their fingers,
everybody can fly
they can destroy the universe and those dragon ball can brings it back to life
when Goku dies he keeps training in heaven with a stupid ring hovering on his head...
I enjoyed dragon ball z a lot ...but...
c'mon it is obvious that the authors is trying to put too much of everything in his creation .

this is not to be taken seriously by a seasoned American comic book reader and certainly not by the intelligent one .

Oh look who it is Diamon Fool. I thought you left. As for having a dog for president dinosaurs etc. Maybe you shoud look at this


http://www.fanzing.com/images/imgs45/sillylegheader.jpg

Yeah I can really Take a superdog, supercat , supermonkey and a super horse (all with capes) seriously:D

[Krpton]

1.trunks didn't know where the dragon radar was located in the capsule corp.

but trunks knew where capsule corp was, he took a very long time to get their, and trunks was travelling at ssj1, wihich all of u think that is faster than the speed of light.

2.even if goku used IT,he still didn't know where the damn thing was-which would've wasted even more time.

trunks didnt know where it was either, nor did goku, but trunks asked dr brief, so obviously all goku had to do is ask dr brief.

3.if goku left trunks to look for the radar then buu would've brutalized trunks and blew up the city before goku can make it back.

wht? huh, goku did leave trunks to look for the radar.

4.it would be stupid to leave a child to defend himself against a monster like buu

"coughgotenkscough"

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
"coughgotenkscough"

"coughgotenks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trunkscough"

[Krpton]

Think about this, when their in battle they move so fast their invisible. That is their top speed, since trunks wasn't invisible he obviously wasn't moving at his fastest speed.

some times when they battle, u actually see them, but they still could be miving at their top speed. sometimes toei do that so we can see the battle, same could be for trunks goin to capsule corp. but there is no proof of the fighters goin faster than the speed of light or is SOL. wht about the superman carttons, the adventures, i think he is based on post-crisis and he is invisible when he moves, but he isnt faster than SOL, same could be said for Z fighters.

there is know prrof of them goin faster than SOL.


You need to keep in mind this is a story and needs to be interesting. If he had just gone to capsule corp in an instant it would have ruined the suspense and Goku would have had to reason to go SS3.

it still happen, thats no excuse.
i agree, but its still no excuse.

[Krpton]

nathan u really hate me dont u, lol.

"coughgotenks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trunkscough"

yeh i know, i had nothing else to say. meant to be a jokey kind of answer, but the point is still that it was a child. j/k

[Krpton]

also everone agrees that babadi isnt SOL, but he dodged ki blasts, so ki blasts is not the speed of light, and sometimes when z fighters try didge ki blasts they get it, so thats another reason y z fighter are not the speed of light or beyond.

[Jason C C]

Do you come from the world of idiot krpton?:D

Ki blasts can go as slow as snail or fasterER than light . They can be controlled by the shooter. You're just pulling random crap out of your ass crack. Stop discrediting the Z characters with your bull ****

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
Think about this, when their in battle they move so fast their invisible. That is their top speed, since trunks wasn't invisible he obviously wasn't moving at his fastest speed.

some times when they battle, u actually see them, but they still could be miving at their top speed. sometimes toei do that so we can see the battle, same could be for trunks goin to capsule corp. but there is no proof of the fighters goin faster than the speed of light or is SOL. wht about the superman carttons, the adventures, i think he is based on post-crisis and he is invisible when he moves, but he isnt faster than SOL, same could be said for Z fighters.

there is know prrof of them goin faster than SOL.


You need to keep in mind this is a story and needs to be interesting. If he had just gone to capsule corp in an instant it would have ruined the suspense and Goku would have had to reason to go SS3.

it still happen, thats no excuse.
i agree, but its still no excuse.

Okay lets use the the Dumb**** logic of krpton shall we.

Look at the superman movie that you bring up all the time despite not actually counting for anything.

Superman was NOT fast enough to stop 2 missiles therefore he couldn't go lightspeed:up:

Superman gets hits by small missiles in superman 3 therefore he cannot go lightspeed:up:

Superman struggles to stop a bus thrown at him in superman 2 therefore he can't be that strong:up:

[Krpton]

Do you come from the world of idiot krpton?

Ki blasts can go as slow as snail or fasterER than light . They can be controlled by the shooter. You're just pulling random crap out of your ass crack. Stop discrediting the Z characters with your bull ****

thats bull, u just mad that up, this was never stated or no indiactions about tjhis in the anime or manga.

[Krpton]

Okay lets use the the Dumb**** logic of krpton shall we.

Look at the superman movie that you bring up all the time despite not actually counting for anything.

Superman was NOT fast enough to stop 2 missiles therefore he couldn't go lightspeed

Superman gets hits by small missiles in superman 3 therefore he cannot go lightspeed

whts this goot do with it? ki blasts are not the speed of light and the z fighter could not dodge it.

lol, superman in the movie reversed time so ur saying he wasnt beyond the speed of light? if u r then, just eat **** and die.

[Jason C C]

You're a prick krpton:up:

Goku shoots a blast that gets to the sun in SECONDS

It takes light EIGHT Count em EIGHT minutes to get to the sun

Roshi and piccollo destroy the moon in a second, it takes light approx FIVE seconds to get to the Moon.

GAME OVER MORON:D