Who in DC or Marvel would give Goku a good fight?

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
bull, u just mad that up

Nope, he didn't.

this was never stated or no indiactions about tjhis in the anime or manga.

You've never watch/read a single episode/chapter of DBZ right?

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
whts this goot do with it? ki blasts are not the speed of light and the z fighter could not dodge it.

lol, superman in the movie reversed time so ur saying he wasnt beyond the speed of light? if u r then, just eat **** and die.

No wait I'm using the Dumb**** logic of Krpton:D

Superman can't dodge a missile so he's not light speed:up:

[Krpton]

You're a prick krpton

calm down jason, allow the cusses. i aint done it to u.

Goku shoots a blast that gets to the sun in SECONDS

thats gt.

[GarudA]

This is Crazy, nothing can beat Pre-Crisis Superman, thats what he was made for just INSANE Power

[Krpton]

You've never watch/read a single episode/chapter of DBZ right

wrong...

[Krpton]

This is Crazy, nothing can beat Pre-Crisis Superman, thats what he was made for just INSANE Power

TRU DAT!!!

[Nathan]

Originally posted by GarudA
This is Crazy, nothing can beat Pre-Crisis Superman, thats what he was made for just INSANE Power

That's why I refuse to allow Pre-Crisis Supes to be part of any vs discussion. It's just pure crap, like GT.

[Krpton]

Superman can't dodge a missile so he's not light speed

if u use my logic, superman turned back time, so with my "dumb*** logic ok krypton" then superman is indeed beyond the speed of light.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
You're a prick krpton

calm down jason, allow the cusses. i aint done it to u.

Goku shoots a blast that gets to the sun in SECONDS

thats gt.

You haven't done it to me??

I suppose telling me to eat **** and die is a complement is it??:rolleyes:

I don't care if its GT or not. The two moon instances (which both prove that it goes faster than light) took place in DB and DBZ anyway.

Well lets get back to the dumb**** logic of krpton shall we?:D

Superman couldn't dodge a man hole cover being thrown at him in superman 2, therefore he's not lightspeed:up:

Superman was beaten up by VENOM in Marvel/Dc all access, therefore he must have the same strength level as spider-man:up:

Krpton is donkey raping **** eater with the brain of a haemorrhoid :up:

Easy on the cusses krpton , after all I didn't do it to you:(

[Krpton]

That's why I refuse to allow Pre-Crisis Supes to be part of any vs discussion. It's just pure crap, like GT.

but jason was using gt when goku did 10x kamehameha to the sun. so pre-crisis should be allowed.

that means pre-crisis superman >>>>>ssj4 goku, u agree jason?

[Krpton]

I suppspoe telling me to eat **** and die is a complement is it??

i did that cuz u insulted me first, anyway i take that back then.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
Superman can't dodge a missile so he's not light speed

if u use my logic, superman turned back time, so with my "dumb*** logic ok krypton" then superman is indeed beyond the speed of light.

No he couldn't stop two missiles therefore he wasn't going the speed of light. It actually took him 20 minutes to go around the world:up:

[Krpton]

I suppose telling me to eat **** and die is a complement is it??

i thought its moire funny than a cuss, lol just read it out.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
That's why I refuse to allow Pre-Crisis Supes to be part of any vs discussion. It's just pure crap, like GT.

but jason was using gt when goku did 10x kamehameha to the sun. so pre-crisis should be allowed.

that means pre-crisis superman >>>>>ssj4 goku, u agree jason?

but krpton was using the movies so I used GT.


and since in the movies superman can't stop a moving bus
That means SSJ4 Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pre crsis superman, u agree krpton??:)

[Krpton]

No he couldn't stop two missiles thefore he wasn't going the speed of light. It actually took him 20 minutes to go around the world

how do u know the missles was not the speed of light.

u r changing my logic to ur own. now its not even my logic, ur missing the point.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton


how do u know the missles was not the speed of light.?
.

LOL

You can't beat the master at dumb**** logic:D

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
No he couldn't stop two missiles thefore he wasn't going the speed of light. It actually took him 20 minutes to go around the world

how do u know the missles was not the speed of light.

That's it. After that sentence I won't bother discussing with you anymore.

[Krpton]

but krpton was using the movies so I used GT.


and since in the movies superman can't stop a moving bus
That means SSJ4 Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pre crsis superman, u agree krpton??

lol who bought up the movies first, u or me, exactly oit was u. lol.

and since move supes is faster than goku cuz supes turned back time, goku would be eatoing superman pre-crisis dust.

[Krpton]

That's it. After that sentence I won't bother disussing with you anymore.

u never thought i was serious, anyway u dont discuss much on this thread, u should though.

[Krpton]

ok, jay stop all dis.

one question.

pre-crisis supes (not movies) vs goku, who would win?

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Nathan
That's it. After that sentence I won't bother disussing with you anymore.

I agree I say we ALL ignore the dumb**** logic of krpton:up:

Did you know in another thread he actually believed it when someone told him Doomsdays penis was made put of krptonite

Haahahahahahahaha:D

[Krpton]

Did you know in another thread he actually believed it when someone told him Doomsdays penis was made put of krptonite

now u can stop lies, anyway suppose wht ever u like rite

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
[B]B]

lol who bought up the movies first, u or me, exactly oit was u. lol.

.

Yeah it was me all the posts in which you state he turns back time in the movie took place later:up:

bwahahahaha you gotta love the dumb**** logic of krpton. He coud have his own reality TV show:D

[GarudA]

The Superman Movies were made at a time where they did not have the technology to displays Supermans Speed they Toned his speed down alot in the Movies, apart from the Turning back time thing.

And the movies were Post-Crisis Superman.

If you look at the The New Adventures of Superman TV show, their was a scene where Superman flew around the world in under a sec to get louise what she wanted.

[Krpton]

y do u keep repeating urself?

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton


now u can stop lies, anyway suppose wht ever u like rite

Lies is it??

Heres the thread everybody wher krpton thinks doomsdays wang is made out of kryptonite LOL (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119000&perpage=25&pagenumber=2)

bwhahahahaha:D

[Krpton]

Jayson, one question:

Pre-Crisis Superman vs Goku?

Who would win?

[Krpton]

Lies is it??

yups, i was fangs, and at tht time, i didnt no NOTHING about the comics.

[GarudA]

People say not to use Pre-Crisis, well if its Post, their is still away for Supes to win, all he has to do is take a Sun Bath and he will be at the level of power of Pre-Crisis

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by GarudA
The Superman Movies were made at a time where they did not have the technology to displays Supermans Speed they Toned his speed down alot in the Movies, apart from the Turning back time thing.

And the movies were Post-Crisis Superman.

If you look at the The New Adventures of Superman TV show, their was a scene where Superman flew around the world in under a sec to get louise what she wanted.

I'm using the dumb**** logic of krpton so sorry that isnt an excuse:o

Besides how does that prove a manhole cover and a missile were going lightspeed?

Btw who the **** is louise??:D

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
Lies is it??

yups, i was fangs, and at tht time, i didnt no NOTHING about the comics.

How can it be lies if you've just admitted that you said it???LOL

Just when I think he can't top himself bwahahahaha

[Krpton]

if its a dumb ass logic, y are u still sticking with it, that makes u as bad as me.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by GarudA
People say not to use Pre-Crisis, well if its Post, their is still away for Supes to win, all he has to do is take a Sun Bath and he will be at the level of power of Pre-Crisis

Have you read OWAW?

No??

Well shut up then:up:

[Krpton]

How can it be lies if you've just admitted that you said it???LOL

Just when I think he can't top himself bwahahahaha

seriously take more time reading, u said penis not fangs.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
if its a dumb ass logic, y are u still sticking with it, that makes u as bad as me.

The real hilarity of it all is this is just an act where as you really act this way LOL:D

Ever had a girl friend??

No??


bwhahahahaha

what a surprise:up::D

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
How can it be lies if you've just admitted that you said it???LOL

Just when I think he can't top himself bwahahahaha

seriously take mre time rweading, u said penis not fangs.

WTF LOL OMG bwahahaha:D

It was WANG, you dick head

LMAO

[Krpton]

Jason, one question:

Pre-Crisis Superman vs Goku?

Who would win?

[Krpton]

y u cussin me now?

i took back wht i said before

[Jason C C]

Krpton, one question:

Krpton vs intelligent discussion?

Who would win?

[Krpton]

WTF LOL OMG bwahahaha

It was WANG, you dick head

LMAO

it was a typo then, now what

[Krpton]

Krpton, one question:

Krpton vs intelligent discussion?

Who would win?

i have to wait for ur answer for:

Jason, one question:

Pre-Crisis Superman vs Goku?

Who would win?

then we will see who wins...

[Krpton]

damn i gettin alot of post counts.

c'mon jason answer the question

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
Krpton, one question:

Krpton vs intelligent discussion?

Who would win?

i have to wait for ur answer for:

Jason, one question:

Pre-Crisis Superman vs Goku?

Who would win?

then we will see who wins...

Do us all a favour and crawl back up your moms poontang and come back out stillborn:D

[Krpton]

now u bring the parental cusses, y man, c'mon please stop.
u take it too far, it just a debate, seriously loosen up man.

[Jason C C]

It just a deavte???

LOL

I stand by my earlier statement, take a superman comic to wank off to while you're up there. Hell take a entertainment centre in there and watch superman the movie:up:

I'm sure your moms poon has plenty of leg room:D

Its just deabte??

Even when you edit you still make a spelling error bwhahahaha:D

[GarudA]

Action Comics #782 thats the issue i read when he did it

[Krpton]

jason, wht up wid u?

please stop the cusses

[Krpton]

I'm sure your moms poon has plenty of leg room

Its just deabte??

Even when you edit you still make a spelling error bwhahahaha

stop talkin about my mum please, u dont know nothing about my family so stop.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by GarudA
The Superman Movies were made at a time where they did not have the technology to displays Supermans Speed they Toned his speed down alot in the Movies, apart from the Turning back time thing.

And the movies were Post-Crisis Superman.

Actually Crisis of Infinite Earths was in 1985 I believe which puts it 7 years after the first superman movie. So the movie supes is indeed pre-crisis. Not that it matters.

And I don't care if they can't "display his speed", the speed of light is 186,000 miles/second so he could go around the world 7 times in under a seconds, pre-crisis supes could exceed that. So he should have been able to stop both missles almost instantly.

So you see Krpton, he didn't go that fast because it would have made the story less interesting (much like if Goku had used IT to get the dragon radar). You might not like that reason, but that is often a reason for why things happen.

[Krpton]

the adrenalin rush after the death of lois was greater for him and gave him faster speed. so he MIGHT not have been faster than the speed of light, but after he exceeded it.

So you see Krpton, he didn't go that fast because it would have made the story less interesting (much like if Goku had used IT to get the dragon radar). You might not like that reason, but that is often a reason for why things happen.

but trunks went to get it, and u think that he is faster than speed of light, that clarly never showed it. but the difference between superman went beyond the speed of the missles when he turned back time and trunks didnt, we dont see no one exceed the speed of light.

[Krpton]

anyway, do u agree that pre-crisis supes (not movies) is faster than ssj3 goku?

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
the adrenalin rush after the death of lois was greater for him and gave him faster speed. so he MIGHT not have been faster than the speed of light, but after he exceeded it.

So you see Krpton, he didn't go that fast because it would have made the story less interesting (much like if Goku had used IT to get the dragon radar). You might not like that reason, but that is often a reason for why things happen.

but trunks went to get it, and u think that he is faster than speed of light, that clarly never showed it. but the difference between superman went beyond the speed of the missles when he turned back time and trunks didnt, we dont see no one exceed the speed of light.

Adrenaline rush.....you just pulled that out of thin air, pure speculation. And even if it were true, Adrenaline makes your muscles stronger, unless supes used his arms to flap like a bird it wouldn't make him a faster flyer.

To go as fast as he did I would say he was going atleast several thousands miles per hour, but to go from that to over 186,000 miles per second is way too much of a jump to be made by something a simple as Adrenaline.

[Krpton]

ok maybe not, but he still turned back time, that in itself exceed the speed when he tried to stop the missles.

[Krpton]

anyway, do u agree that pre-crisis supes (not movies) is faster than ssj3 goku?

[Langoth]

Krypton, I don't agree, as Akira Toriyama made it so his universe couldn't have speed turn back time.

Your example of Superman turning back time, is pretty retarded to be perfectlion honest.

I believe I stated it before, Dragonball would have been a fight that was replayed over a nd over again if he allowed that.

Not to mention, Superman turning the WORLD back shouldn't make time go back, as he would have to turn the entire universe back, as the earth alone is not the center of time.

[Krpton]

or it could be z fighter cant. yes AT didnt do irt that way, cuz it would be repetitive but the point is z fighter cant do it, and is the bottom line

[Langoth]

In there universe they can't, but who knows about the DC universe.

So if Superman were to fight Goku on DBZ Earth, he would not be able to turn back time.

However, Goku fighting him on DC Earth, would be able to turn back time.

[Krpton]

However, Goku fighting him on DC Earth, would be able to turn back time.

how do we know that, how do we even know goku is the speed of light or beyond, there is absolutely nothing that states how much goku's speed is. but from what i have seen in dbz goku isnt the speed of light.

because nothing is faster than the instant transmission, and that was stated to be the speed of light, also gotenks flyin around the world 8 times (in the manga it was 8 times) in the space of 30 mins. and trunks at ssj1 taking very long just to land at capsule corp. there is no excuses for this, because it still happen, we cant just erase that.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Either way you slice it kroc end of GT Goku cannot die and pre crisis superman can. You can go on about the extremely short and vague appearance of the sword of superman all you want but superman gave that up after like 2 seconds and he never had it again. Not only that it could be argued that end of GT goku is now a magical being (being that the dragonballs and the dragon shen long are magical). Even pre crisis superman still had his weakness to magic

Also I have to question half of the stuff you're feeding us here. You haven't even read half of the feats you say he has done:o But you forget one thing bout the sword it will come back when Superman is ready to take it.

As for calling into question what I've posted, It's all true b/c the website I source cites specific issues. I obviously haven't read them b/c I was even born when they came out and many of those issues are hard to come by. I will say that SOMEare feats that I have gotten from other debates of the topic. (actually 2: The Punching a hole in the universe, and the one about the Black Hole.)

[Guyverjay]

Actually no kroc because pre crisis superman is dead so no it won't be coming back:up:

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton

how do we know that, how do we even know goku is the speed of light or beyond, there is absolutely nothing that states how much goku's speed is. but from what i have seen in dbz goku isnt the speed of light.

because nothing is faster than the instant transmission, and that was stated to be the speed of light, also gotenks flyin around the world 8 times (in the manga it was 8 times) in the space of 30 mins. and trunks at ssj1 taking very long just to land at capsule corp. there is no excuses for this, because it still happen, we cant just erase that.

Stop ****ing lying you stupid ****

Instantaneous movement was NEVER given a speed in the manga or the japanese anime.

bwhahahaha:up:

[Krpton]

yes but it happen in the show, like gammabeast said, its still part of the story, its still in continuity even if it was filler.

[Krpton]

Hows your mom, retard?

seriously stop talking about my mum, u just go too far.
someone tell him to stop talkin about my mum.

[Jason C C]

Oh fine you want to be an idiot and take the american dub over the original Japanese one??:rolleyes:

Fine, Piccollo at the start of Dragonball Z states that Raditz was going the speed of light:up:

[Krpton]

no that was dub, but the IT thing is filler, its like that in all languages, but the radditz thing is only is the maerican, nothing else.

[Jason C C]

LOL

Do you even know what you are typing half of the time??

You chat so much ****:D

Pathetic, I hope you get molested by animals:up:

[Krpton]

so in all the anime versions, goku's IT is the speed of light.

[Jason C C]

NO ITS NOT, YOU *******:)

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
so in all the anime versions, goku's IT is the speed of light.

I've had enough. Just ****ing die will ya!!!! :mad:

[Krpton]

im tellin u it is, u can chek the web, find out info about it, then u will see im right.

[Nathan]

Shunkanido (Shunkan Idou)

Also called "Instantaneous Movement", this is not a fighting technique but the ability of a creature to move from one location to another, instantaneously, without any passage of time. To perform this technique you need to localize a Ki, in the place where you want to teleport on, and lock on to it. Anyone touching the subject when he's phasing to the new location, will be teleported as well.

[Krpton]

i already know about the shunkanido, but that only in the manga, we are goin by the anime.

[Nathan]

I don't give a **** by what you go. It isn't light speed. It's instantaneous. That's why it's called INSTAND Transmission

AND NOT LIGHTSPEED!

[GammaBeast]

Krpton think about this, Instant Transmission has to be faster than the speed of light. King Kai's planet is a galaxy away, the Supreme Kai planet is galaxies beyond that. Yet Goku was able to instant transmission to both of them in a few seconds.

It takes light 8 minutes to go from the Sun to the Earth, let alone leave the solar system.

[Krpton]

but in the anime is light speed. calm down, stop gettin angry.

[Nathan]

but in the anime is light speed.

Only in the dub damn it!! :mad:

calm down, stop gettin angry.

You stop being stupid, and I'll stop being angry! Deal!? :mad:

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
but in the anime is light speed. calm down, stop gettin angry.

NO IT ISN'T

In the ORIGINAL japanese dub (like the manga) NO SPEED IS GIVEN YOU ****ING RETARDED BASTARD!!

[Krpton]

Krpton think about this, Instant Transmission has to be faster than the speed of light. King Kai's planet is a galaxy away, the Supreme Kai planet is galaxies beyond that. Yet Goku was able to instant transmission to both of them in a few seconds.

It takes light 8 minutes to go from the Sun to the Earth, let alone leave the solar system.

but we do not know how far the planets are compared to earth, it could be close with both of the planets.

anyway it was stated and also STATED BY GOKU himslef that its the speed of light.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Krpton
Krpton think about this, Instant Transmission has to be faster than the speed of light. King Kai's planet is a galaxy away, the Supreme Kai planet is galaxies beyond that. Yet Goku was able to instant transmission to both of them in a few seconds.

It takes light 8 minutes to go from the Sun to the Earth, let alone leave the solar system.

but we do not know how far the planets are compared to earth, it could be close with both of the planets.

anyway it was stated and also STATED BY GOKU himslef that its the speed of light.

You REALLY are a ****ing idiot.

I hope you die:up:

[Krpton]

NO IT ISN'T

In the ORIGINAL japanese dub (like the manga) NO SPEED IS GIVEN YOU ****ING RETARDED BASTARD!!

ok lemme just check, i got in on pc innit....

it was never stated in the japesese well techniqually in the japanese one goku says its no easy covering 299 792 458 m/s and that is indeed the speed of light, in japnese obviously.

[Jason C C]

No you haven't got it on your PC you lying TURD!!

You stated you deleted it pages ago in this thread (if you ever had it in the first place which I doubt)

Not only that but you said this a few posts ago
Originally posted by Krpton
i already know about the shunkanido, but that only in the manga, we are goin by the anime.

Now you're saying that it does, you are a lying sack of ****.

It does NOT give a speed in the original manga so sod off.

[Krpton]

i said i deleted the manga, then how do u think i know about the shunkanido.

i always said the manga IM was indeed instant.

but in the anime its light speed.

[Krpton]

and i didnt lie about anything.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
i said i deleted the manga, then how do u think i know about the shunkanido.

i always said the manga IM was indeed instant.

but in the anime its light speed.

Want... to... kill... KILL!!! :mad:

[Krpton]

Want... to... kill... KILL!!!

sorry man, wht am i doin?

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Nathan
Want... to... kill... KILL!!! :mad:

LOL

He a ****ing idiot isn't he?

He says one thing then says the total opposite two posts later then says the opposite again after that:D

[Krpton]

in the japanese even vegeta said, its reall high speed when trunks was on eatrh and goku came back. and this was in the japanese anime aswell.

[Krpton]

He says one thing then says the total opposite two posts later then says the opposite again after that

wht u talkin about?

[Casius--J]

Nobody his power is crazy, i mean supes is prob at 5000 where as Goku is 1billion.

[Jager X]

Originally posted by Krpton
1.trunks didn't know where the dragon radar was located in the capsule corp.

but trunks knew where capsule corp was, he took a very long time to get their, and trunks was travelling at ssj1, wihich all of u think that is faster than the speed of light.

2.even if goku used IT,he still didn't know where the damn thing was-which would've wasted even more time.

trunks didnt know where it was either, nor did goku, but trunks asked dr brief, so obviously all goku had to do is ask dr brief.

3.if goku left trunks to look for the radar then buu would've brutalized trunks and blew up the city before goku can make it back.

wht? huh, goku did leave trunks to look for the radar.

4.it would be stupid to leave a child to defend himself against a monster like buu

"coughgotenkscough"

not once did i say trunks didn't know where the damn C Corp. was.i said he didn't know what area the dragon radar was located in the building.

once again you fail to comprehend what one writes.if goku didn't draw buu's attention to him and had look for something he obviously did not know where it was located then buu would've wreaked havoc on everything around him.

i shouldn't even reply to this one.just look at the above post.

:rolleyes: gotenks wasn't present at the ****ing time was he?the only other goddamn saiyan that was with goku at the time was trunks.so it would have been stupid and irresponsible if goku left trunks to look for the radar when he can send trunks and use a portion of his strength to stall buu.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
but we do not know how far the planets are compared to earth, it could be close with both of the planets.

anyway it was stated and also STATED BY GOKU himslef that its the speed of light.

Listen! Toriyama made it so this takes place on EARTH!!!! So unless he specifically says something is different we must assume it is the same. So from earth to the edge of our solar system alone would take A LOT longer than a few seconds at light speed.

It would take decades at the speed of light to just go from our solar system to the center of our galaxy (since we're on the edge).

So from Earth to the Supreme Kai planet is basically several levels above us in the universe. This means getting there in a few seconds means he must be going MANY times the speed of light.

[Krpton]

Listen! Toriyama made it so this takes place on EARTH!!!! So unless he specifically says something is different we must assume it is the same. So from earth to the edge of our solar system alone would take A LOT longer than a few seconds at light speed.

It would take decades at the speed of light to just go from our solar system to the center of our galaxy (since we're on the edge).

So from Earth to the Supreme Kai planet is basically several levels above us in the universe. This means getting there in a few seconds means he must be going MANY times the speed of light.

ok all that doesnt matter because it was STATED in the anime the IT is light speed.

[Langoth]

Krpton, that was only stated in the English Verson-

I OWN the Japanese Trunks Saga, subtitles and all, it does not say light speed. You are full of creamy ****.

Taking him under a second to pass by 4 galaxies, is faaaaaar beyond the speed of light.

Really, as it takes light a long time from our star to get to the nearest star, think about that, just think.

He's gone to another galaxy which would take light a good thousand years, in under a second.

You have no conept of speed Krpton, none at all.

[Krpton]

so have i, its subtitled, its not very clear but clear enough to read wht they are saying and goku says:

"its no easy covering 299 792 458 m/s" and that is indeed the speed of light, in japnese obviously.

i checked it yesterday, and it does say that.
yes its true it doesn not say "light speed" but wht goku said about covering "digits" m/s that is speed light.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
so have i, its subtitled, its not very clear but clear enough to read wht they are saying and goku says:

"its no easy covering 299 792 458 m/s" and that is indeed the speed of light, in japnese obviously.

i checked it yesterday, and it does say that.
yes its true it doesn not say "light speed" but wht goku said about covering "digits" m/s that is speed light.

And which subbed version do you have? Some are way more accurate than others.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
so have i, its subtitled, its not very clear but clear enough to read wht they are saying and goku says:

"its no easy covering 299 792 458 m/s" and that is indeed the speed of light, in japnese obviously.

i checked it yesterday, and it does say that.
yes its true it doesn not say "light speed" but wht goku said about covering "digits" m/s that is speed light.

Ok then, which episode is it, where he states that? Come on, tell me the number.

I'm going to check it for myself. Luckily I've a whole set of DBZ sub DVD's.

[Krpton]

also when goku came back to earth after defeating frieza and f. trunks was also on earth, vegeta says, "its just very high speed".

[Krpton]

and in the english dub goku says "i can travel as a mass of light"

and also stated thathe's moving at 180,000 miles per second.

[GammaBeast]

You didn't answer his question, what episode # is it? And you didn't answer my question, which sub is it? Who made it? It usually says in the filename.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
also when goku came back to earth after defeating frieza and f. trunks was also on earth, vegeta says, "its just very high speed".

Ok... I'll try to explaine it as calm as posssible.

Yes... It is true that Vegeta said that it was only high speed. But he was only asuming it, because he thought Goku just had fooled them, and was playing tricks on their eyes.

But then Goku showed them the sunglasses he got from Master Roshi, which lives sevel thousand Miles away on his little island.

Meaning, because Goku got those sunglasses in mere seconds, proofs that is wasn't just high speed, but an instantaneous movement like Goku told them.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
and in the english dub goku says "i can travel as a mass of light"

and also stated thathe's moving at 180,000 lightyears per second.

180,000 light years per second???? Wow then that speed puts anything supes has ever done to shame.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
and in the english dub goku says "i can travel as a mass of light"

and also stated thathe's moving at 180,000 lightyears per second.

How dense can a human person be!!!!!!!!!!!???????? The dub means ****!!!!!!!

If we were going by the dub, then Bardock would be a scientist. WHICH HE ISN'T!!!! :mad:

[Krpton]

Meaning, because Goku got those sunglasses in mere seconds, proofs that is wasn't just high speed, but an instantaneous movement like Goku told them.

people always say get gets to this place like in 1 sec or 2 seconds, and u say in mere seconds.

so it takes goku a couple of seconds, therefore its not INSTANIOUS.

[Krpton]

and also stated thathe's moving at 180,000 lightyears per second.

oops typo, i dont know wht i was thinking, it not light years btw.

ive edited that now.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
and also stated thathe's moving at 180,000 lightyears per second.

oops typo, i dont know wht i was thinking, it not light years btw.

I doubt that you are thinking at all.

[Krpton]

I doubt that you are thinking at all.

stop insultin me please.

[GammaBeast]

Krpton you still haven't answered my question or Nathans, if you really have the sub it should only take you a few seconds to get that info.

[Jason C C]

He hasn't got the sub, he hasn't got ANYTHING. He a ****ing liar and he's been lying for pages and pages:up:

[GammaBeast]

Hence the point I'm trying to make without resorting to flaming.

[Jason C C]

He'll never admit it anyway despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

He takes so long to respond because he's busy searching crappy DB websites and message boards for some "facts".

bwhahahahaha

[Langoth]

He's pathetic.

That's what it really boils down to.

Krypt, if you don't want people to insult you, stop being a ****ing idiot.

Your a fanboy, a liar, and a fool.

You've lied about your knowledge and facts, and you have only seem SMALL PEICES of the English Dub.

Watch the entire Sub, and then cme back, until then, you are just pissing away bull****.

[Krpton]

when goku said "its no easy covering 299 792 458 m/s" - thats in the japanese episodes.

and when goku said ""i can travel as a mass of light" - that was the rest of the anime i think.

also the episode is called gokus special technique, everyone know that when he came back to earth form fighting frieza, i alread said that.

its not numbered, but i think its in order, so it must be 107.


He hasn't got the sub, he hasn't got ANYTHING. He a ****ing liar and he's been lying for pages and pages

y would i lie, no i havent been lieing for pages and pages, other people were telling me lies and i belived it, at that time i didnt know nothing about the comics. also i do know about dbz, told people about super buu being ythe strongest.


Hence the point I'm trying to make without resorting to flaming.

thanks

He'll never admit it anyway despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

He takes so long to respond because he's busy searching crappy DB websites and message boards for some "facts".

bwhahahahaha

wht do u mean i will nevr admit to anything, i agree with ppl sometimes.
if u r referring to goku beating superman, and i wont agree to it. thats because both have overwhelming evidence, y do u think supes vs goku is the most talked about vs fight in history.

He's pathetic.

That's what it really boils down to.

Krypt, if you don't want people to insult you, stop being a ****ing idiot.

Your a fanboy, a liar, and a fool.

You've lied about your knowledge and facts, and you have only seem SMALL PEICES of the English Dub.

Watch the entire Sub, and then cme back, until then, you are just pissing away bull****.

y am i pathetic, yes i am a fan boy of dbz and supes, wht have i lied about? sumtimes u ppl me me bare angry, but i dont swear or insult u, please stop that.

ive seen the whole english dub, and the japanese sub also gt sub, i aint seen gt dub though, dont wanna either.

anyway sorry if i made u ppl angry, and just stop takin the piss outta me.

[Nathan]

Oh just shut the hell up already.

[Krpton]

Oh just shut the hell up already.

please stop that, i havnt been rud to u once. sorry if i have though.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
when goku said "its no easy covering 299 792 458 m/s" - thats in the japanese episodes.

and when goku said ""i can travel as a mass of light" - that was the rest of the anime i think.

also the episode is called gokus special technique, everyone know that when he came back to earth form fighting frieza, i alread said that.

its not numbered, but i think its in order, so it must be 107.

- Dragonball Z DVD Set Volume 5.

- Disc 14. DUB Japanese. SUB Chinese and English.

- Episode 123: Instantaneous Movement

I watched the whole episode, and not even once did Goku say anything remotely close to "its no easy covering 299 792 458 m/s" or "i can travel as a mass of light".

He didn't even mention the word light during the whole episode.

And now get out of my sight.

[Guyverjay]

bwhahahaha nice one nathan:D

I have also got the subbed DBZ eps and he indeed does not mention a speed nor even the word light (just like the manga), Just thats its instant.

What's funny is krptons numbering is from the english version bwahahahha

He such a liar:up:

[Krpton]

bwhahahaha nice one nathan

I have also got the subbed DBZ eps and he indeed does not mention a speed nor even the word light (just like the manga), Just thats its instant.

What's funny is krptons numbering is from the english version bwahahahha

He such a liar

i thougt u was done with me...

[Krpton]

and im not a liar, mines subbed, and it does say that, unless ur saying mines a dud

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
and im not a liar, mines subbed, and it does say that, unless ur saying mines a dud

You still haven't answered my question. Who made your subbed version? It should say it somewhere either in the file name or in the sub itself.

Until you can tell me that I won't believe for a second that you actually have it.

[Langoth]

The very fact you give off the English Dubs episode numbers is proof enough that you are a liar Krypton, it really is, and not even a good liar at that.

If your going to lie to us, at least lie well, otherwise its disgraceful.

[Krpton]

You still haven't answered my question. Who made your subbed version? It should say it somewhere either in the file name or in the sub itself.

Until you can tell me that I won't believe for a second that you actually have it.

i got it from k***a.

[GammaBeast]

So? I don't care where you got it, it should say either in the filename or in the sub WHO made it. There are different groups that sub animes and they ALWAYS put there name in there somewhere so they get credit.

[Guyverjay]

It doesn't matter either way GB because half of the those crappy FANSUBS are wrong anyway.

Only an officail DVD or a DVD rip will have the proper translations.

Besides notice how long its taking krpton to respond despite the fact that he hasn't left the board since this post??:D

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Actually no kroc because pre crisis superman is dead so no it won't be coming back:up: True. But with all the Bad writing with Superman they seem to be bringing lots of Silver-age nonsense back. Perhaps a really bad writer my just say. "Wow that sword of Superman concept was cool, why do I just bring it back!!" Well Regardless, I figure that minus all the omnipotent nonsense both characters have, we'll just debate SSJ 4 Goku (which I think is his highest level), and Silver age Superman at his most ridiculous power levels.

[Guyverjay]

Nah too easy

You have to take Goku at the last moment he was seen , the same with supes. Its just convient that Goku is immortal:up:

[Langoth]

Hell, Frieza can beat Superman in his current state, let alone Goku...

[MFM]

Whoa.... like, really?

[Langoth]

Really MFM.

[Nathan]

Somebody mind to explain me in what current state Superman is? I'm not reading the comics you know.

[hulkamania85]

I have thought of a few more characters that could beat Goku besides Superman.

Mr. T
Rocky Balboa- the guy beat Mr. T!
Apollo Creed-because he was damn cool
The Toxic Avenger
Krypto the Superdog
Streaky the Supercat
Beppo the Supermonkey
Hulk
Hulk Hogan-no way Goku would get up from the Atomic Legdrop!
Mario

[hulkamania85]

Originally posted by Nathan
Somebody mind to explain me in what current state Superman is? I'm not reading the comics you know.

They are probably referring to "Post-Crisis" Superman. In the 80's DC redid the origins of a lot of their characters and they decided it would be more interesting if they made Superman a little weaker. Because with the exception of kryptonite "Pre-Crisis"(the original Superman from the 30's-mid 80's) Superman was damn near invincible.

Either way Superman would kick Goku's ass.

[Kroc1138]

Bugs Bunny and his crew would own all of them, Easily.

Check out this link (http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=45194&highlight=) to a thread.:D

[hulkamania85]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
Bugs Bunny and his crew would own all of them, Easily.

Check out this link (http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=45194&highlight=) to a thread.:D

I agree. Bugs could get an eraser and erase Goku. Plus Bugs could easily outsmart Goku.

[Krpton]

Okay people, please don't bash me, I won't annoy you guys anymore, I just want some questions answered?

Who is faster between Pre-Crisis Superman and SSJ3 Goku?

Who has more strength between Pre-Crisis Superman and SSJ3 Goku?

Who is more durable between Pre-Crisis Superman and SSJ3 Goku?

[Langoth]

In speed I give it to Goku

In Strength I'm actually not sure, but as DBZ character's constantly say, it takes more then brute strength to win a fight

And in Durabilities, I think Goku

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Krpton
Okay people, please don't bash me, I won't annoy you guys anymore, I just want some questions answered?

Who is faster between Pre-Crisis Superman and SSJ3 Goku?Supes by A lot. Supes has been known tofly from NY to Burma within a wink of an eye, or travel through 3 Galaxies within an matter of a few days. It's been said that he could move at near limitless speeds. Goku even with Instant Transmision would be at most hard pressed to keep up.

Who has more strength between Pre-Crisis Superman and SSJ3 Goku?Supes by Far, Juggling Planets(literally), crushing Black Holes, and Blowing out stars with a sneeze. SSJ 3 Goku gets weaker from using that form and can't sustain it anyhow.

Who is more durable between Pre-Crisis Superman and SSJ3 Goku? That remains to be seen as far as I'm concerned. But SSJ 3 really isn't the best litmus test on who is stronger, faster etc. SSJ 4 is the better choice. But I haven't seen much of DBGT to really know for sure. (it sucks totally)

[GammaBeast]

Krpton, I'll say this once again since you seem to be missing it either time either on purpose or out of stupidity.

There is more to winning than strength and speed, skill is quite possibly the biggest factor of all. Goku's fighting skills make supes look like nothing.

As for Krocs comment on speed. Goku has traversed several galaxies going from earth to the supreme kai planet within seconds. So I doubt he would have any trouble keeping up.

As for physical strength I've yet to see SS4 Goku attempt something physically and not pull it off, so how can you truly judge his strength. But I'll leave that for now.

Lastly durability. Goku survives attacks that could more than destroy a planet constantly. And any attacks that do hurt him just make him stronger in the end. You need to remember that while Pre-crisis supes was virtually immortal, Goku was literally immortal.

[Krpton]

Ok, who would win in a fight Superman or Bruce Lee?

The answer is obviously Superman, even though Superman's fighting skills are nothing comapred to Bruce Lee, Superman would still win.

Skill is not the biggest factor, its speed, what good is having skill if you can't land a hit?

So what if Goku has more fighting skill, he would still loose to someone whi is faster and stronger, even if they have more skill.

[Krpton]

As for Krocs comment on speed. Goku has traversed several galaxies going from earth to the supreme kai planet within seconds. So I doubt he would have any trouble keeping up.

Goku used I.T, but Goku cannot use that in a fight that is going fast, it also drains energy everytime he uses it.
Why do u think he doesn't use it when he fights the villans, its because he does't have time, even if he does, he gets to his location then he has to punch/kick and it can be dodged, it also drains his energy, so they are some reason why he cannot use that in a fight.

[GammaBeast]

Hmmm doesn't use it against villains?....you mean like how he didn't use it against cell?....oh wait! He did use IT to attack cell.

[Nathan]

One question Krpton. :)

Why the f.uck are you still here?!?! :mad:

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
Hmmm doesn't use it against villains?....you mean like how he didn't use it against cell?....oh wait! He did use IT to attack cell.

He also used it against Kid Buu and not ONCE has Goku said that it drains too much energy. Hell the alien race who INVENTED the technique are weaklings. Goku spent entire day using IT to transport earths population on to the planet bebi wished for in GT before he ran out of energy. He was teleporting hundreds of 1000's of people. So once again krpton is talking out of his anus:)

[xScarletSpiderx]

And really the only thing that really caused his energy drain was maintaing his transformed state.

[Krpton]

No, i meant he cannot use I.T constantly in a fight, or otherwise he would have owned any dbz villan.

Also it does drain too much energy when in the midst of battle, because h is transformed and is using ki and punching and kicking.

Why the f.uck are you still here?!?! - Nathan

Wht did i do today?

So once again krpton is talking out of his anus

C'mon Jay, stop the insults innit.

Hell the alien race who INVENTED the technique are weaklings.

We don't know if they are weakling.


Admit it, Goku cannot use I.T constantly in a fight, The highest we have seen him to it in a fight is once, no more than that.

Other forums even agreed to this, IGN for instance know goku can't use it constantly in fight, and it drains too much energy, then y doesnt he keep doin I.T then.

[GammaBeast]

Krpton thats not because he can't it's because he doesn't want to. He's a saiyan, he wants to fight up front, but isn't opposed to using it from time to time as a move.

[Krpton]

Also for Goku to do the I.T he has to cencentrate for a couple of seconds, so if he is fighting in superspeed he cannot use it.

[Guyverjay]

Wrong

He only has to concentrate if he can't see or doesn't know where he is going.

[GammaBeast]

He only needs to concentrate if he needs to find a location, by seeking out energy, during a fight he'll probably be able to see where he is going to so he could do it instantly.

[GammaBeast]

Damn Guyver, beat me to it.

[Krpton]

Your both wrong, for example when Goku got time to use the wrap Kamehameha on Cell, he saw him, he knew where he was, and he still concetrated for a cuple of second then he transmitted the did the Kamehameha.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
Your both wrong, for example when Goku got time to use the wrap Kamehameha on Cell, he saw him, he knew where he was, and he still concetrated for a cuple of second then he transmitted the did the Kamehameha.

He didn't concentrate. He was bluffing, by letting Cell think he'd be ready to blow up the earth.

This way he was able to catch Cell off guard with the IT.

And now... piss off! :mad:

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
Your both wrong, for example when Goku got time to use the wrap Kamehameha on Cell, he saw him, he knew where he was, and he still concetrated for a cuple of second then he transmitted the did the Kamehameha.

He was pausing to gather more energy for the Kamehameha.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Nathan
He didn't concentrate. He was bluffing, by letting Cell think he'd be ready to blow up the earth.

This way he was able to catch Cell off guard with the IT.

And now... piss off! :mad:

Exactly nathan


Goku couldn't even put his fingers to his head to concentrate anyway since he was powering up the wave.:)

Besides as I said he did it against kid buu as well

[Krpton]

No ur wrong, he paused before he did the I.T not after to build up for the Kamehameha.

[Guyverjay]

and what does Goku do when he concentrates for an IT krpton?

Thats right he puts his fingers to his forehead, did that happen??

No

So as Nathan said Piss off:up:

[GammaBeast]

Jesus. He was in the middle of gathering energy for an attack, of course thats why he paused.

[Krpton]

and what does Goku do when he concentrates for an IT krpton?

So ur saying that he never used I.T on Cell or Buu then? I dont think so.

[Guyverjay]

LOL

Actually READ my post this time and get back to me:up:

[GammaBeast]

When he used it on Cell he touched cell then put his fingers to his forhead. Are you blind? As I said he only needs to concentrate if he needs to search out a location.

[Krpton]

Jay said, when goku uses IT he puts his finger on his head.

So when he used the Wrap Kamehameha on Cell he never put his finger on his head, but he still concentrated.
So your saying he used his speed to do the Wrap Kamehameha.

What aout the time when Goku used IT when King Kai was there, King Kai said he also knew about the technique etc. then Kai started doing it next to goku, and he put his finger on his head when goku was so close to him, also this bit was not filler.

[Guyverjay]

LOL

I always find it funny how krpton manages to not only get the complete wrong end of the stick but its an entirely new stick:D

[Krpton]

LOL

I always find it funny how krpton manges to not only get the complete wrong end of the stick but its an entirely new stick

My bad, sorry, i thought you was talking abot the wrap Kamehameha, but u was talking about Goku I.T cell to kai planet.

[Nathan]

It's still called WARP KameHameHa. Not wRap!!!!

[GammaBeast]

To teleport Cell there he needed to concentrate and find it, but to go from the sky to the ground he didn't need to because he could see it...PERIOD.

[Krpton]

Ok, Goku does have to concentrate even if he can see the opponent but it does not take as long like trying to find King Kai's planet. So he still has to concentrate but not as long,

[Guyverjay]

bwhahahahaha why even bother guys:D

[Krpton]

So what if he can see it, he still needs to concetrate to pull of the technique.

[Guyverjay]

Whatever you say LOL:D

[Krpton]

Ok then, then y doesnt goku use it more than once in a battle

[Guyverjay]

LOL man you are killing me:D

[Krpton]

Jay, proove that he doesn't need to concentrate if he can see them? Exactly u can't!

[Krpton]

Its because you know im right.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
Its because you know im right.

Die. Painfuly. And Slow.

Ah, scrap the slow part, just freaking die. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Krpton]

Ok then, tell me why i am wrong?

[Nathan]

Tell me why you are right.

[Krpton]

Nathan and Jay, insult me all you want, I just don't care no more, it does not affect me in the slightest, go on waste your energy typing it, like I care, if it makes you fell better carry on, whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Nathan]

Still waiting for the answer why you are right.

[Krpton]

Tell me why you are right.

Because the things I have said have happen, and you guys are denieing it, u lot just don't admit it.

Ok, now tell me why I am wrong Nathan?

[GammaBeast]

Krpton, show me real proof he needs to concentrate to use IT, and if can't just be speculation.

[Krpton]

Goku even states himslef he needs to concentarte to use I.T.

[Nathan]

Because every time when he concentrates, he puts his two fingers on his forehead. That's because when he travels over long distances, he can't see where he is teleporting.

All he does is sensing the KI of certain individuals. He needs time to look on, and finaly IT to their location.

During the fight agains Cell, this wasn't the case. He saw him, knew where he had to go, and just teleported.

The only reason why he waited, was to let Cell think that he would really blow the earth into bits. Until cell realized that Goku had the IT at his disposal, it was already to late.

[Krpton]

So u guys are saying he doesn't need to concentrate to pull of the technique? Thats a lie then.

[Krpton]

also, when Kid Buu threw a ki attack at him and goku concentrated even though he was close.

Theres no denying that he did concentrate there.

Watch the fight if u don't believe me, the u can see for yourselves that I was right.

[GammaBeast]

When in the fight was that? I've seen that fight a few times and I don't remember that.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
Theres no denying that he never concentrated there.


I agree:)

[GammaBeast]

Wow....the incosistencies in krptons thoughts are amazing.

[Krpton]

"I agree"

Typo, i meant to say is that Goku was so close to Kid Buu, but he still concentrated to use I.T from the ki attack that Kid Buu did.

[GammaBeast]

I don't have that full fight, Guyver can you verify that at all?

[Guyverjay]

What do you want to me to confirm???

Whether he put his finger on his head??

Now I seriuosuly don't know what krptons point is anymore:confused:


First it was that Goku didn't use IT against Villians even though he has


Then it was he needed to concentarte for a while to do it (against cell)

Now its he only had to concentrate for only a split second (against Buu)

Just what is his point?:confused:

He seems to change his tune everything he proven wrong, its very confusing:(

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
What do you want to me to confirm???

That he actually used it at all against Kid Buu, I don't remember him doing it.

[Guyverjay]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/goku3.gif

[Nathan]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
That he actually used it at all against Kid Buu, I don't remember him doing it.

Boo stuck his foot into the ground and tried kicking Goku. Goku back flipped several times, dodging all the kicks, when suddenly Boo threw a Energy Ball at him.

That's when Goku used the IT to move behind Boo.

Putting his two fingers on his forehead, is for me nothing more than to merely hint that he uses the IT. If he'd just disappear, it would seem like he were just moving at high speed.

[Hawkeye3500]

Originally posted by Krpton
Ok then, then y doesnt goku use it more than once in a battle

Actually, the entire time Goku fought Cell, when Cell uses Frieza's technique of Destructo Disc and it appears to go through Goku each time, but somehow Goku manages to get through all of that. He explains to Cell that he used Instantaneous Movement (I refuse to call it that lame ass Instant Transmission) to avoid it. So, he used it like seven times in that fight without the fingers.

[litlgreendude]

Originally posted by Hawkeye3500
Actually, the entire time Goku fought Cell, when Cell uses Frieza's technique of Destructo Disc and it appears to go through Goku each time, but somehow Goku manages to get through all of that. He explains to Cell that he used Instantaneous Movement (I refuse to call it that lame ass Instant Transmission) to avoid it. So, he used it like seven times in that fight without the fingers.

ya i remeber that...

[Krpton]

What do you want to me to confirm???

Whether he put his finger on his head??

Now I seriuosuly don't know what krptons point is anymore

The point is he still needs to concentrate when doing IM wheather he can see his opponent or not, that got prooved in the Kid Buu fight.


First it was that Goku didn't use IT against Villians even though he has

No I already said this, don't u read my posts, I was meant to say he doesn't use it consistanly against the villans, the highest he has done is once in a fight, once in the Cell fight and once in the Kid Buu fight.


Then it was he needed to concentarte for a while to do it (against cell)

Yes he did.


Now its he only had to concentrate for only a split second (against Buu)

Well its more like one second, and if he is fighting in superspeed he will not have time to concentrate for the IM, so why do you think he only had the chance to do it once in the cell fight.


Just what is his point?

that Goku has to concentrate for a couple of seconds to do IM.

He seems to change his tune everything he proven wrong, its very confusing

What the hell are you talking about? I wasn't proven wrong for jack.

It looks like I prooved all of you wrong because he did have to concentrate to use IM even though he could see his opponent and his loaction.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
It looks like I prooved all of you wrong because he did have to concentrate to use IM even though he could see his opponent and his loaction.

A **** you have. He can use the IT with or without pointing his fingers at his forehead. I don't understand the point you are trying to proof.

And now for the last time. **** off! You are really getting on my nerves.

[Krpton]

A **** you have. He can use the IT with or without pointing his fingers at his forehead. I don't understand the point you are trying to proof.

Yes i agree, he can use IM with or without putting his fingers on his forehead. All of you guys have said he does not have to concentrate if he can see the opponent and his location. The point that I made he does have to concentrate to use IM with or without putting his fingers on his forehead., even if he can see his opponent and loaction.

And now for the last time. **** off! You are really getting on my nerves.

Why? What makes you think Im gonna listen to you? You always get on my nerves. So why don't you **** off! Don't take your anger out on me just because i prooved you wrong. Scum...

[Langoth]

Krpton, you have more flip flops then a politician.

You make a lie, then when its disproved, you come up with another. We always prove you wrong, just **** off, seriously. You make me sick. Your constant bull**** makes a disease on the DBZ board.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
It looks like I prooved all of you wrong because he did have to concentrate to use IM even though he could see his opponent and his loaction.

You can't be serious. You haven't proven anything.

Now lets say hypothetically that Goku does need to concentrate (which he doesn't). It's only for a split second. Goku we know can and has fought at superspeeds. Supes rarely if ever uses his in a battle.

So really all you're "proving" is that Gokus speed in a fight is better.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
Don't take your anger out on me just because i prooved you wrong. Scum...

Do I even have to comment on that one? :rolleyes:

[GammaBeast]

Krpton you've never actually proven anything...ever....in ANY thread on this forum.

[Krpton]

You make a lie, then when its disproved, you come up with another. We always prove you wrong, just **** off, seriously. You make me sick. Your constant bull**** makes a disease on the DBZ board. - Langoth

What you on? Okay about the IM debate, what have I lied about? Exactly nothing because what I have said did happen.


You can't be serious. You haven't proven anything.

Now lets say hypothetically that Goku does need to concentrate (which he doesn't). - GB

Then what did Goku do in the Kid Buu fight? He concentrated even though he could see him and the location. What you said was as long as Goku can see his opponent and his location then he doesn't need to concentrate, so all i got to say is watch the gif Guyverjay posted and this time open your eyes. After that how can you still say he doesn't need to concentrate.

Goku we know can and has fought at superspeeds. Supes rarely if ever uses his in a battle. - GB

One question, who is faster Pre-Crisis Superman or SSJ3 Goku? (Not including IM.)

So really all you're "proving" is that Gokus speed in a fight is better. - GB

Yes, you didn't know that? Then why in the blue hell do you think Goku uses his speed instead of using IM against the villans......, the max he used it for was once in the Cell fight and once in the Kid Buu fight

Also after doing the IM he is vulnrable.


Krpton you've never actually proven anything...ever....in ANY thread on this forum.

The thing is I did proove that Goku has to concentrate, for the last time the proof is on the last page, the gif that Guyverjay posted, look at it someday.

The proof is right there, and that is fact and you guys are still arguing when the proof is there, what more do you want!!

Btw, I also prroved that Super Buu is the strongest form of Buu.

[Krpton]

Originally posted by Krpton
Don't take your anger out on me just because i prooved you wrong. Scum...
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Do I even have to comment on that one?

Well thats up to you.............

[GammaBeast]

Krpton, just because he concentrated that ONE TIME doesn't mean he has to do it EVERY time.

Also you still don't seem to get it, you keep asking who is faster Goku or Pre-crisis supes. The Answer (which I believe is Goku) is meaningless, since Goku uses his speed in battles while supes doesn't.

[Krpton]

Krpton, just because he concentrated that ONE TIME doesn't mean he has to do it EVERY time.

But if Goku had to concentrate when he was fighting Kid Buu, which was very close, then when doesn't he have to concentrate.
We always see Goku concentrate when he is doing IM.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
We always see Goku concentrate when he is doing IM.

After Cell transformed into his 2nd form, Goku went down from the Kami Tower to rescue Tenshinhan and Piccolo.

We see him holding both, Tenshinhan and Piccolo, when cell suddenly charges towards Goku. All of a sudden Goku disappears. He used the instant transmission to go back all the way to the Kami Tower without putting his ****ing fingers on his forehead.

Using his fingers just helps him to better pinpoint where his going to teleport or to find someones aura. But he also can IT without it.

And now, STFU.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
But if Goku had to concentrate when he was fighting Kid Buu, which was very close, then when doesn't he have to concentrate.
We always see Goku concentrate when he is doing IM.


Hellooooooooooo?????

Goku vs Cell = Both doing nothing but standing around. Easy IT http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Boo vs Goku = In the heat of battle. Not so easy. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif Much concentration needed.

Please try sometimes to use your ****ing logic.

[Krpton]

I know he can sue IM without his finger on his forehead, read my previous posts. But he still had to concentrate, by putting his finger on the forehead it gives him better pinpoint, like you said.
But the point is he still has to concentrate.

No, I won't STFU, you STFU you retard.

[GammaBeast]

Krpton I noticed you dodged my other point about supes not using his speed. You can't deny that he rarely if ever uses it in battle.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
No, I won't STFU, you STFU you retard.

If I didn't already know that you were the idiot asking for confirmation on Doomsday's Kryptonite wang, I might've been offended by that comment. :)

[Guyverjay]

bwhahahahahahah :D

[Krpton]

Goku vs Cell = Both doing nothing but standing around. Easy IT


Thats my point duh, I have been saying this, you never read my previous posts, I said this lots of times now, but Ill say it one more time to get it into ur head, Goku can't use IM consistantly when fighting fast.

Even if Cell and Goku were standing Goku still concentarted but it was easy, and it was not instant, because he had to concentarte for like 1 second. And that is alot of time needed to do IM when your fighting in superspeed, so he will not have a chance to do it, thats why he does it like once maximum in a fight.

Please tryread my previous ****ing posts....

[Krpton]

If I didn't already know that you were the idiot asking for confirmation on Doomsday's Kryptonite wang, I might've been offended by that comment.

Like im offended by your comments....

Btw way its you who starts insulting me first.

[Guyverjay]

http://www.gifworks.com/queue/quote_7203.gif

[Krpton]

So does eveyone agree Goku has to concentrate for a couple of seconds in the heat of battle?

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Krpton
Please tryread my previous ****ing posts....

I'd rather watch CINO a 2nd time.

[Guyverjay]

You actually watched it a first time???:eek:

[Nathan]

Yeah I did! Just let us not talk about it anymore. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/mad/1/mad70.gif

[Krpton]

Then Nathan why are u reading this?

[Guyverjay]

Watch Goku avoiding Cells Kienzan discs. He uses IM plenty of times quickly. Of course around 3 different people have already said this. But lets see if he actually read this one:up:

[Hawkeye3500]

I would also like to note that I was the first person to point this out or maybe I wasn't. This thread grows like a new page because Krpton can't argue with everyone in the same post. It's called editing if needed!

Anyways, Goku's use of Instantaneous Movement is mainly determined by what the artist wants to do because, hell, during the Goku vs Paikon fight he uses it then anyways with the fingers and that fight was slow as hell. So, anyways, whatever. it depends on how its drawn and what the artist feels like doing with the technique.

[Krpton]

"Krpton I noticed you dodged my other point about supes not using his speed. You can't deny that he rarely if ever uses it in battle." - GammaBeast

Check out Superman 175 for a "super-speed" fight with Doomsday.

Also, in "End-Game" he uses his super-speed in combat.

In both examples, he moves so fast he is leaving after-images.

Some are of the opinion that the first Superman/Doomsday battle occurred super-fast.

He used his speed against Gog over in recent issues of Action Comics.

He used his speed against an Imperiex probe in Topeka - along with his "arctic breath" and heat vision.

I think he used it in the final battle in "Godfall".

Also in S/B 2 against the "alternate reality/future" Superman - that was pretty much a super-speed fight.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
"Krpton I noticed you dodged my other point about supes not using his speed. You can't deny that he rarely if ever uses it in battle." - GammaBeast

Check out Superman 175 for a "super-speed" fight with Doomsday.

Also, in "End-Game" he uses his super-speed in combat.

In both examples, he moves so fast he is leaving after-images.

Some are of the opinion that the first Superman/Doomsday battle occurred super-fast.

He used his speed against Gog over in recent issues of Action Comics.

He used his speed against an Imperiex probe in Topeka - along with his "arctic breath" and heat vision.

I think he used it in the final battle in "Godfall".

Also in S/B 2 against the "alternate reality/future" Superman - that was pretty much a super-speed fight.

LOL another copy and a paste job eh krpton?

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/messages.jsp?topic=58800506&board=superman

bwhahahaha:D

[Krpton]

Yup, I didn't know, so I asked people that did know.
Whats worng with that. Whats funny.

[Langoth]

Krypton, I really do think you should be banned, honestly, you are nothing but a harsh flamer and spammer, and to be out in the open, every comment people call you.

Such as call you nothing but bottom feeding filth, like I'm doing now.

Is entirely justified, based on your ignorance, stupidity, stubornness, and LIES. Yes, you ARE a liar.

How old are you K? 12? 13? Because to be perfectly honest, I know people that age who are more mature.

And please note, I think my dog might beat you in an IQ test, not that you'd know what that is.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
Yup, I didn't know, so I asked people that did know.
Whats worng with that. Whats funny.

Whats funny is you use other peoples posts to back up your argument. YOU actually know nothing about Superman

You haven't even read the issues he talking about:D

You didn't even post it in your own words LOL

[Krpton]

Krypton, I really do think you should be banned, honestly, you are nothing but a harsh flamer and spammer, and to be out in the open, every comment people call you.

how am i flammer and a spammer....


Such as call you nothing but bottom feeding filth, like I'm doing now.

I don't care what people call me, go on carry on, waste your energy insulting me, does not effect me in the slightest. It just means I have gotten to you, I win.


Is entirely justified, based on your ignorance, stupidity, stubornness, and LIES. Yes, you ARE a liar.

What lies, and how am I a liar, what have i lied about the IM debate huh? I havn't. Also how am i ignorant and stuborn....

How old are you K? 12? 13? Because to be perfectly honest, I know people that age who are more mature.

And i know people who are the same age that are less mature than me on other forums. Anyway why do you think im immature, if you think that why are you and the other guys debating with me, that just makes them and you as bad as me from what you said.

And please note, I think my dog might beat you in an IQ test, not that you'd know what that is.

Yup, you just wasted enregy typing that, lol, I win again....

[Krpton]

Whats funny is you use other peoples posts to back up your argument. YOU actually know nothing about Superman

You haven't even read the issues he talking about

You didn't even post it in your own words LOL

Its true, i havn't read the issues that he is talkin about, but he knows his stuff. And after reading what he posted, I know that Superman can fight in Superspeed. Also why whould I put it in my own words when its already done, what the pont of doin it, I already know after reading his post so there is no point for me to put it in my own words.

Anyway, that prooves that Superman can fight in superspeed.

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by Krpton
Yup, I didn't know, so I asked people that did know.
Whats worng with that. Whats funny.

There is a difference between asking someone and stealing their words entirely. All it does is make you look more ignorant than people already think you are.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
All it does is make you look more ignorant than people already think you are.

Is that possible?:D

[Langoth]

That's hard to do Gamma, he's already at the bottom of the "I'm ****ing stupid and ignorant" latter.

[GammaBeast]

If Al Bundy taught us anything, it's that you can always sink lower.

[Guyverjay]

Well its not the first time he has copied and pasted other peoples posts from other message boards:up:

[Langoth]

I hope he can't, he's so pathetic already, that would really be sad if he proved he's more foolishg and ignorant then he already is...

[Krpton]

There is a difference between asking someone and stealing their words entirely. All it does is make you look more ignorant than people already think you are.

I was lazy....but seriously I dont care what people think of me!!!, its not like your my mates, how many times do i have to say that.

Yup again awsted ur energy, i win again.....

[Guyverjay]

Win what??:D

You keep saying wasted energy but you still respond to every point. In fact you can't even quote properly so you actually waste more energy responding:D

[Krpton]

Well its not the first time he has copied and pasted other peoples posts from other message boards

What are u talking about? yes i have coppied from other message board once, but the thing is, it was my user i copied from. i already told u that before.

[GammaBeast]

Whoa, this I gotta hear. How exactly have you "won" anything.

[Krpton]

i dont mind, i got alot of energy to waste

[Langoth]

Originally posted by Krpton


I was lazy....but seriously I dont care what people think of me!!!,



Obviously you don't, or you would have left by now, or caused yourself bodily harm (please do)

Next!

You don't win, becasue you can't win, as you are a complete and utter moron.

We're not your mates, because we can't get along with foolish vile morons, ever thought of that one?

[Guyverjay]

Yeah sure krpton. Its funny how your grammar suddenly becomes readable when its a post from another message board;)

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
i dont mind, i got alot of energy to waste

So explain how you're winning again?:confused:

[Krpton]

i get on u guys nervs which makes u lot bash out on me, well what if i said i was meant to do dat....

[Langoth]

I can't even comprehend how he thinks he's winning...

Seriously "Mate", was your father a sheep, a monkey, or something along those lines? Seriously, you can't be human if you are this stupid, really.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Krpton
i get on u guys nervs which makes u lot bash out on me, well what if i said i was meant to do dat....

I'd say

"hardly surprising"

and get you banned:)

[Krpton]

Dont bing my dad into this, u dont know nothing about my family, so shut up

[Guyverjay]

Oooh hit a nerve did he?

bwhahahaha:D

You're right though he really shouldn't "bing" your dad into it;)

[Langoth]

Originally posted by Krpton
Dont bing my dad into this, u dont know nothing about my family, so shut up

But you don't deny he was a lower lifeform, perhaps a dog? A cat? Yes, its probably a cat...

[Krpton]

and get you banned

y? wht have i done?

You're right though he really shouldn't "bing" your dad into it

its a typo, thought u would have know, but i was mistaken......

But you don't deny he was a lower lifeform, perhaps a dog? A cat? Yes, its probably a cat...

ehh no...

[Krpton]

AND STOP TALKIN ABOUT MY DAD!