Who in DC or Marvel would give Goku a good fight? [Archive] - Page 6

Krpton

08-07-2004, 03:21 PM

I hate Goku because...wait hate it too of a strong word, i just dislike Goku because his character is deafult, its basic, same old story, he is just a normal hero, he the sort of person who is like "I do good because its...good." Also he is always playing the hero.
Also GT treated him like a God, and he makes everyone seem pathetic compared to him which also happens in Z.
But at least he was not the strongest character at the end of Z.

I know its similar for Superman, but I like Superman because I was a big fan of Smallville, but i really didn't like Superman until he was evil when he put on the red Krptonite ring, thats when I though Superman is cool. Since then, ive been starting watching Justice Leage and the Dean Cane episodes and I like version of Superman, good, bad, all the same. It like one of those thing you love (Superman, Vegeta) and hate (Goku.)

Also the reason why I love vegeta so much is because of his bad-ass attitude and his Saiyan pride, ruthless agression, he shows no remorse and his moves just the best, e.g Final Flash, Big Bang attack etc.

Guyverjay

08-07-2004, 03:24 PM

Makes no sense to me. You hate..no dislike Goku for the very same character traits that Superman has?:confused:

Krpton

08-07-2004, 03:26 PM

Or it could be because I like Vegeta more, or its one of those things you love and hate...

Krpton

08-07-2004, 03:31 PM

Also the way I loved Superman is because I started watching it when Calrk was evil in Smallville, form then I loved Superman bares that i started watching all the other Superman stuff, and since then he is my 2nd fav hero.

I like people who are bad, people like Wolverine because his attitude was bad-ass, I hate Spiderman because h is the opposite to Wolverine. Remember when I started likeing Superman he was evil. But Goku is is just like too too good, which i don't like characters like that.

Krpton

08-07-2004, 03:42 PM

BTW- Has your father been neudered since your conception? I hope so...

And Langoth please stop that, seriously.

GammaBeast

08-07-2004, 03:58 PM

But still, Superman is the standard hero "I do good because its good". So it doesn't make sense that you hate one, but love the other so much.

Hawkeye3500

08-07-2004, 04:40 PM

And when you get right down to it, that's the way most of the heroes are. They do what's right because its right.

How about we lay off Krpton's dad, its not like he's done anything to us. I mean, making a joke about his dad is one thing, but totally carrying it on like this is very tasteless humor and drull.

Langoth

08-07-2004, 04:47 PM

Its not meant to be humorous, its to prove a point Hawk.

First point, he told me to lay off because "I didn't know his family," Note-

He DOESN'T KNOW Superman, NOR does he KNOW Goku.

Its keeping it up, because, HE KEEPS IT UP.

Kmack

08-07-2004, 05:28 PM

Goku can destroy a planet but Phoenix can destroy galaxies. Winner: PHOENIX!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guyverjay

08-07-2004, 05:31 PM

Wow something new has been brought to the table....not

spider-jide

08-07-2004, 06:48 PM

Goku is the most powerful and cant be beaten. He is now a god and would wipe the floor with superman and phoenix with his lil'finger and his eyes closed.

Fact is, he consumes and owns the dragon balls, he is the master-god of the dragon balls and can do anything he wants.

If 1 had the gragonballs, they could easily say, "hey shenron, how about for my 1st wish, i'd like to have superman die from choking on a pretzel", the wish will be granted and thats exacly what would happen, superman would be no more but seeing as Goku owns the dragonballs and is a god, mastering/consuming the dragon balls' power that makes him untouchable, Goku cannot be beat.

XSpidercideX

08-07-2004, 10:21 PM

It depends, if Goku fans want to believe he become omnipotent at the end of GT, then he did. Therefore, at his current state, he cannot be beaten.

If you say that absorbing the dragonballs had no affect, then Pre Crisis Superman would wipe the floor with him, though he'd wipe the floor with Current Supperman at any level beyond SSJ2.

GammaBeast

08-07-2004, 10:26 PM

I don't see the current superman taking him in his base form.

XSpidercideX

08-07-2004, 10:33 PM

Current Superman has been getting more and more powerful recently. People cant take pics of him because his body vibarates so fast pictures are blurred and he can lift 40 billion tons. A feat that I dont see happening by anyone less strong than SSj2 Gohan when he fought cell.

GammaBeast

08-08-2004, 12:38 AM

After the late Buu Saga, Goku in his base form was atleast as strong as SS2 Gohan as a child. And remember that SSJ transformations are exponential, so transformations later on in the story are drastically stronger.

Krpton

08-08-2004, 07:33 AM

But still, Superman is the standard hero "I do good because its good". So it doesn't make sense that you hate one, but love the other so much.

So is Wolverine, and Vegeta he decided to do good because its good but his attitude was bad-ass, I espically like SSJ2 )v( Vegeta. I like characters who have bad ass-attitudes, and I started to watch Smallville when Clark had his bad-ass attitude/evil perosnality and from then even when he went back to norma and goodl I still liked him. Once you like somethign so much its hard not to like it again.

I think I know why I don't like Goku, its because of Vegeta, Goku is always a step ahead of my favourute character and makes him look like a fool, he held back SSJ3 when they fought and that made me not like Goku.

Krpton

08-08-2004, 07:39 AM

First point, he told me to lay off because "I didn't know his family," Note-

He DOESN'T KNOW Superman, NOR does he KNOW Goku.

Its keeping it up, because, HE KEEPS IT UP.

What are you talking about, I know lots about DBZ, but I admit I don't know that much about Superman Comics, But I have read some on CDisplay and do research.

But you, you dont know donthing about my dad, seriously.

Krpton

08-08-2004, 07:58 AM

GammaBeast

08-08-2004, 11:58 AM

Hey hey, wolverine and vegeta aren't your standard heroes. Wolverine does a lot of what he does out of anger and revenge, Vegeta does it out of spite.

spider-jide

08-08-2004, 12:33 PM

Goku is immortal. At the end of GT he looks the same as ever when he momentarily watches a fight between his and vegeta's great great grandsons, pan is in the audience and she's like 90years old all the while goku still looks the same as always.

Langoth

08-08-2004, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
First point, he told me to lay off because "I didn't know his family," Note-

He DOESN'T KNOW Superman, NOR does he KNOW Goku.

Its keeping it up, because, HE KEEPS IT UP.

What are you talking about, I know lots about DBZ, but I admit I don't know that much about Superman Comics, But I have read some on CDisplay and do research.

But you, you dont know donthing about my dad, seriously.

Obviously you don't know much about DBZ if you continue to make these pathetic excuses for arguments.

Now then Cat-Hybrid boy, give it up. I mean that too, its fine to ask questions about **** you don't understand, but when you start talking about **** you don't understand, you look like a ****ing MORON. Oh wait, its a little too late for that warning Krypt, as you've made a big enough jackass out of yourself so far. Its disgraceful.

Krpton

08-08-2004, 04:45 PM

Hey hey, wolverine and vegeta aren't your standard heroes. Wolverine does a lot of what he does out of anger and revenge, Vegeta does it out of spite.

Ok yeh I agree, but thats the sort of heros I like, and in when I started watching Smallville Clark was did evil things cause of his anger and putting on the red Kryptonite ring.

Obviously you don't know much about DBZ if you continue to make these pathetic excuses for arguments.

What excuse have I made for the IM argument...

Now then Cat-Hybrid boy, give it up. I mean that too, its fine to ask questions about **** you don't understand, but when you start talking about **** you don't understand, you look like a ****ing MORON. Oh wait, its a little too late for that warning Krypt, as you've made a big enough jackass out of yourself so far. Its disgraceful.

If you guys think Im a ****ing moron, so be it, so what, I don't care and why should I....

Also I just found out that Goku must lock on to ki which needs concentrating, which takes a couple of seconds. Even 1 second is not enough because Superman can fight in superspeed.

Krpton

08-08-2004, 05:11 PM

And I also found out

Superman also had a fighted in superspeed with an imperiex Prob in Our Worlds. Superman from 8 or more angles all at once attacked him with all of his workable powers etc all under a split second.

Now i havn't seen anything like that Goku has done in Z, Goku can't do that all at oce in 8 angles, at max we have only seen Goku in once angles and thats like a few seconds, and that also prooves from what we have seen that Superman is faster.

Guyverjay

08-08-2004, 05:13 PM

I've seen spider-man do that so what the hell does that prove? Was there a speed stated?

There is literally 100's of exanple of him not using super speed at all

Krpton

08-08-2004, 05:17 PM

I've seen spider-man do that so what the hell does that prove? Was there a speed stated?

Was there a speed stated in Z?
But did Spiderman do that under a split second?

Guyverjay

08-08-2004, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Krpton

Was there a speed stated in Z?

You tell me, you are the one saying that some panels of superman attacking an imperiex probe suddenly proves that he can fight faster than goku. To say that you must obviously know just how fast Goku is moving right?:)

But did Spiderman do that under a split second?

1) Tell me WHERE it says split second (i've got the entire run of OWAW btw)

2) He did it against Firelord, a guy that travel through galaxies in seconds:)

GammaBeast

08-08-2004, 05:23 PM

How can you tell the speed in a comic? Unles it says 'in a split second'. It's always from one frame to the next with you left to fill in the gaps with your imagination.

Guyverjay

08-08-2004, 05:33 PM

Plus even when Goku was a kid, he was able to move his fists so fast that it appeared that he had eight arms. He was so fast that he could attack with all 8 arms simultaneously. The techique is called Hashuken

Geez no doubt krpton has gone over to another message board to find out the answers:rolleyes:

I really don't see the point in arguing a subject you know nothing about. All this "I just found out" nonsesne. Which is second hand info which could be completely wrong or exaggerated.

All that time could be used for I don't know......reading superman comics

Krpton

08-08-2004, 06:38 PM

How can you tell the speed in a comic? Unles it says 'in a split second'. It's always from one frame to the next with you left to fill in the gaps with your imagination.

Well being in 8 different angles at once is way too fast to be even 1 second.

You tell me, you are the one saying that some panels of superman attacking an imperiex probe suddenly proves that he can fight faster than goku. To say that you must obviously know just how fast Goku is moving right?

Yes, because we have never seen Goku move like that, I never did watch DB only Z and GT, but if you say he fists move so fast that it looks like 8 arms, it doesn't mean he can move his whole body, its just his fists, we never see Goku kick so fast that he has got multiple legs.

Anyway imagine how many arms Superman had, it must have been 16+ arms and legs because he was in 8+ different places at once, which only Goku from what we have seen can do with his fists.

Guyverjay

08-08-2004, 06:46 PM

Ahem your thinking is flawed and is just pure hypocrisy krpton it really is.

If the speed wasn't stated you can't say its faster than Goku.

Being drawn in those places is called Artistic license. I can post a page of spidey doing his spider sense acrobat thing in which he has like 20 versions of him on one panel. Does that mean spidey is as fast as superman or the flash??

As for Goku. He was doing the hashuken when he was 12 years old!!

You know as well as I do that his speed has multiplied 1000's of times since then:up:

Hell Goku has shown that he can move so fast that it looks like he is NOT actually moving. Thats more impressive than the superman example:up:

Hawkeye3500

08-08-2004, 11:43 PM

Yup, and he wasn't even a Super Saiyan then. That actually happens to be one of my favorite fights.

I'd also like to bring up the Piccolo vs Android 17 fight. Those tow were moving so fast that they actually had their after images look like they attacked the person, but they would attack a fraction of a second later. Now that's fast.

Langoth

08-09-2004, 12:41 AM

There were after images in the Frieza vs. Goku fight, let alone Piccolo vs. 17.

GammaBeast

08-09-2004, 12:33 PM

In most fights after the Saiyan saga, they moved so fast all you saw were the shock waves coming off their blows.

Shyair~108

08-09-2004, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
How can you tell the speed in a comic? Unles it says 'in a split second'. It's always from one frame to the next with you left to fill in the gaps with your imagination.

Well being in 8 different angles at once is way too fast to be even 1 second.

You tell me, you are the one saying that some panels of superman attacking an imperiex probe suddenly proves that he can fight faster than goku. To say that you must obviously know just how fast Goku is moving right?

Yes, because we have never seen Goku move like that, I never did watch DB only Z and GT, but if you say he fists move so fast that it looks like 8 arms, it doesn't mean he can move his whole body, its just his fists, we never see Goku kick so fast that he has got multiple legs.

Anyway imagine how many arms Superman had, it must have been 16+ arms and legs because he was in 8+ different places at once, which only Goku from what we have seen can do with his fists. You make me sick.

Hawkeye3500

08-09-2004, 09:26 PM

Well, I mean, not like the after images used in the Frieza fight in so forth, these were moving after-images.

Krpton

08-11-2004, 06:16 PM

As for Goku. He was doing the hashuken when he was 12 years old!!

I just want to know, why does't Goku do the Hashuken technique in the whole of DBZ?

But did Spiderman do that under a split second?

But did Spiderman exist concurrently with eachother, it never, but Superman did, and that indeed prooves he was using superspeed, and that is even to fast to be one second, and when they exist concurrently with eachother then it is indeed in superspeed.

How can you tell the speed in a comic? Unles it says 'in a split second'. It's always from one frame to the next with you left to fill in the gaps with your imagination.

It all happen in the same frame.

Also how many after images does Goku leave?
Because I have only seen one....

And is Goku thousands of light years fast?

Langoth

08-11-2004, 07:45 PM

Yes he is Kryton.

He is that fast using IT, as he literally crosses whole galaxys in under a second, do you know how long it takes light to travel through our galaxy alone? A really ****ING long time.

Hawkeye3500

08-12-2004, 12:00 AM

Have you seen the mirror image technique? These are versions of Goku existing at the same time, but all done by speed. Heck even Roshi did it and Goku is oobs faster than everyone else now.

MFM

08-12-2004, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Krpton
And is Goku thousands of light years fast? If you meant by Goku using Shunkanido, no, because he teleports from one place to another, and that has nothing to do with speed.

GammaBeast

08-12-2004, 12:37 AM

Krpton do you even know what a light year is?

Guyverjay

08-12-2004, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Krpton

I just want to know, why does't Goku do the Hashuken technique in the whole of DBZ?

Who CARES??

But did Spiderman exist concurrently with eachother, it never, but Superman did, and that indeed prooves he was using superspeed, and that is even to fast to be one second, and when they exist concurrently with eachother then it is indeed in superspeed.

Do you even KNOW what the hell you are talking about??.You have gone away and asked these questions on the DC board AGAIN and Captain Kal (a poster from those boards) has given you an answer. Though in the effort to actually put it in your own words this time, you end up actually chatting garbage.

NO ONE is disputing that he is using super speed. But it doesn't say HOW fast. There fore you saying its faster than Goku is WRONG . As I said before Goku could move at insane speeds when he was kid and even before he was a SSJ. I remember in Gokus first budokai. Krillyn was fighting Roshi. Him and krillyn charge each there and was a flash and all of a sudden krillyn was on the floor. No one could work out what happened. Roshi and kryllin explain to the announcer that they sparred a bit , had 5 games of rock paper scissors and then krillyn got whacked. They did ALL of that in under a second. Krillyn was THIRTEEN then. Also as I said before Goku can move so fast that it looks like he isn't moving, that is more impressive than crappy after images. CASE CLOSED

It all happen in the same frame.

Again what the hell does that prove? Remember the spider-man example?? It only proves super speed is used , it doesn't prove what the speed is

Also how many after images does Goku leave?
Because I have only seen one....

When goku was 12 against master roshi in his FIRST budokai, he left THREE. When he was TWELVE!!!.

And is Goku thousands of light years fast?

Get a clue krpton

This getting farcical now, you know NOTHING. You run off to the Dc boards (hence why you disappear for a few days . then everyone celebrates) to get answers. You cannot discuss a subject you know nothing about. Why can't you understand that??

Langoth

08-12-2004, 01:17 PM

Because he is an immature spammer Guyver, that's what it really boils down to.

xScarletSpiderx

08-12-2004, 02:43 PM

Maybe if you just ignore him, he'll go away.

Guyverjay

08-12-2004, 02:44 PM

Nah he's like a bad smell:(

xScarletSpiderx

08-12-2004, 02:46 PM

Rub some deodorant on him.

Guyverjay

08-12-2004, 02:48 PM

I dont go in for any of those back door shenanigans:o

0neDisturbedSOB

08-12-2004, 04:33 PM

Superman would kick Goku's ass all over the place...in the 45min it takes Goku to power up Superman would have handed him his own ass several times over

Guyverjay

08-12-2004, 04:35 PM

It probably took you 45 mins to write that feeble minded post:up:

0neDisturbedSOB

08-12-2004, 04:44 PM

Feeble minded?? hahaha now you're talking just like those ridiculous characters....what's next, you going to call me a "fiend"??

grow up

Guyverjay

08-12-2004, 04:46 PM

Wow you told me to grow up, I'm so offended:(

Get lost troll:)

0neDisturbedSOB

08-12-2004, 04:47 PM

Troll?? hahahaha what book are you getting these clever insults from?? Oh man say something original like...."be gone you fiend"

What's with the smiley faces?....are you hitting on me??

Guyverjay

08-12-2004, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
Troll?? hahahaha what book are you getting these clever insults from??

What a minute aren't you the guy who came out with the cliched line "Grow up"??

0neDisturbedSOB

08-12-2004, 04:52 PM

I'm not resorting to second grade name calling...

call me a "doodie head" come on I know that's gotta be next from that obviously impressive wit you have

Guyverjay

08-12-2004, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
I'm not resorting to second grade name calling...

call me a "doodie head" come on I know that's gotta be next from that obviously impressive wit you have

Originally posted by Guyverjay
What a minute aren't you the guy who came out with the cliched line "Grow up"??

0neDisturbedSOB

08-12-2004, 04:56 PM

Ah yes, I forgot "grow up" was considered name calling...I apologize. Let me know when you've reached at least a 4th grade level...

Guyverjay

08-12-2004, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Guyverjay
What a minute aren't you the guy who came out with the cliched line "Grow up"??

xScarletSpiderx

08-13-2004, 12:52 AM

I think this is Krpton going postal.....

Nope... can't be him. He can actually type.

Krpton

08-14-2004, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Krpton:

"I just want to know, why does't Goku do the Hashuken technique in the whole of DBZ?"

Who CARES??

We have never seen move so fast that he had eight arms, but in DB he moved fast enough enough to do it, is it because in Z he doesn't used the Hashuken technique, anyway he doesn't do it anymore....

Also can Goku span many light-years of galactic space in milliseconds? (Not including IM.)

Krillyn was fighting Roshi. Him and krillyn charge each there and was a flash and all of a sudden krillyn was on the floor. No one could work out what happened. Roshi and kryllin explain to the announcer that they sparred a bit , had 5 games of rock paper scissors and then krillyn got whacked. They did ALL of that in under a second. Krillyn was THIRTEEN then.

I read this on the DC board. I didn't ask for this, but some user posted it anyway.

Superman also repeatedly pulled off the following stunt to keep people from realizing he was Clark Kent:

1) Set up a television camera at the WGBS studio and start filming.
2) Filming dozens of frames per second, of course, as standard.
3) Sit in the interviewee's chair, decked out as Superman.
4) Dash over to the interviewer's chair so fast as to appear on the same frame.
5) Dash *back* over to the other chair, and then back again, in time to appear in the *next* same frame.
6) And so on.
7) And each time, quick-change into a business suit while putting on a pair of glasses (or vice versa).
8) Do that while moving faster still so that none of it is picked up on-camera.
9) Interview yourself, live on national television.

Also as I said before Goku can move so fast that it looks like he isn't moving, that is more impressive than crappy after images. CASE CLOSED

So has Superman, Superman can move so fast that it looks like he isn't moving at all aswell.

NO ONE is disputing that he is using super speed. But it doesn't say HOW fast. There fore you saying its faster than Goku is WRONG .

Its the same for the Z fighters, they use superspeed but no one also knows how fast, because the managa did not ever state the speed, we saw them using superspeed in the frame but it doesn't say how fast, all we know from the manga is that the IM is instant which was stated, but does not say anything about the Z fighters's speed. There fore you saying its faster than Superman is also WRONG .

Langoth

08-14-2004, 02:02 PM

ACtually Kryton, that is not true on speed.

It may never state how fast they move, BUT, here is the kicker. With powers levels of 300, Goku and Piccolo were bending light with there speed. Speed raises with power levels, so if you take 300, and turn it into... about lets say, 12,000,000 (Frieza), you are cracking the speed of light open like it was a sea-shell.

GammaBeast

08-14-2004, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
Originally posted by Krpton:

I read this on the DC board. I didn't ask for this, but some user posted it anyway.

Superman also repeatedly pulled off the following stunt to keep people from realizing he was Clark Kent:

1) Set up a television camera at the WGBS studio and start filming.
2) Filming dozens of frames per second, of course, as standard.
3) Sit in the interviewee's chair, decked out as Superman.
4) Dash over to the interviewer's chair so fast as to appear on the same frame.
5) Dash *back* over to the other chair, and then back again, in time to appear in the *next* same frame.
6) And so on.
7) And each time, quick-change into a business suit while putting on a pair of glasses (or vice versa).
8) Do that while moving faster still so that none of it is picked up on-camera.
9) Interview yourself, live on national television.

Krpton, want to know the main reason people hate when you just copy and paste stuff (aside from the fact that it makes it look like you don't know anything? It's because there is no way for you or us to know if that person is right, so how can it be used as proof?

And Krpton before you refer to a lightyear as speed again and embarass yourself. A lightyear refers to distance, not speed. It's how far light travels in a year.

Which is 5,870,000,000,000 miles.

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Krpton

We have never seen move so fast that he had eight arms, but in DB he moved fast enough enough to do it, is it because in Z he doesn't used the Hashuken technique, anyway he doesn't do it anymore....

Again WHO CARES?? It doesnt matter whether he used the technique in Z. All it is is super speed .Its all ONE story in the manga there IS NO Z. He can do it CASE CLOSED

Also can Goku span many light-years of galactic space in milliseconds? (Not including IM.)

Its funny that you want to discount IM. You were all to willing to include it when you thought it was only light speed:rolleyes:

I read this on the DC board. I didn't ask for this, but some user posted it anyway.

Superman also repeatedly pulled off the following stunt to keep people from realizing he was Clark Kent:

1) Set up a television camera at the WGBS studio and start filming.
2) Filming dozens of frames per second, of course, as standard.
3) Sit in the interviewee's chair, decked out as Superman.
4) Dash over to the interviewer's chair so fast as to appear on the same frame.
5) Dash *back* over to the other chair, and then back again, in time to appear in the *next* same frame.
6) And so on.
7) And each time, quick-change into a business suit while putting on a pair of glasses (or vice versa).
8) Do that while moving faster still so that none of it is picked up on-camera.
9) Interview yourself, live on national television.

Oh WOW:rolleyes: On live TV Whoopedy do. Kryllin and roshi performed that stunt in FRONT of a LIVE audience. You don't have to be as fast on Television since it can only shows a limited amount of frames per second unlike the human eye. Of course that was pre crisis. I find it funny how all you talk about is pre crisis. Whats the matter don't you think post crsis can beat little ol son goku?? Of course as I said Kryllin was THIRTEEN. You seem to fail to grasp that concept. Krllyn the weak ass Human was doing that as a child.

So has Superman, Superman can move so fast that it looks like he isn't moving at all aswell.

In ACTUAL battle?? Dashing 2 feet to a chair backwards and forward hardly compares to having super speed fireballs thrown at you by 2 of the most powerful beings in the universe:rolleyes:

Its the same for the Z fighters, they use superspeed but no one also knows how fast, because the managa did not ever state the speed, we saw them using superspeed in the frame but it doesn't say how fast, all we know from the manga is that the IM is instant which was stated, but does not say anything about the Z fighters's speed. There fore you saying its faster than Superman is also WRONG .

Oh WE know from the manga do we?? I seem to recall you saying that IM was the speed of light:rolleyes:. I seem to recall you saying repeatedly that Goku was slower because IM (the supposed speed of light) was his top speed there fore he must be slower:rolleyes:. How would you know what its states in the maga despite what you claim you've never read it. You change your damn stance more times than your socks. How am I wrong? I've only been trying to prove to you that that there is no proof supes is faster than Goku. So I AM RIGHT and you are WRONG AS USUAL. You've been wrong on so many occasions now its actually quite laughable:D

Odin's Lapdog

08-14-2004, 04:54 PM

How can a thread stay on topic for sooooo long.

jay, yourself and kypton have been going at this for over 400 posts. if you were both going to agree, it would have been done 350 posts ago.

you guys are gonna carry this one to the grave...

:o

p.s. vote j.

Langoth

08-14-2004, 04:58 PM

We carry on the fight against Krpton because he's WRONG. Its really that simple. We will never stop until he realizes he is wrong, and we are right. :P

Odin's Lapdog

08-14-2004, 05:02 PM

bullies;)

Langoth

08-14-2004, 05:05 PM

No, sensable people who can't stand someone who is ignorant and talks about **** he doesn't know about

Odin's Lapdog

08-14-2004, 05:10 PM

and with that comment, i'll leave you be. enjoy

i'll probably pop in in another 300 posts or so to see how you are all doing:)

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 05:16 PM

Het I know its a lost cause.
DC comics could publish a comic of Goku beating the crap out of superman and krpton would still find some way to say it didn't happen. He'd probably say" How do we know that was really Goku?" or "How do we know that was superman?"
:D

Odin's Lapdog

08-14-2004, 05:39 PM

carry on like this and you won't get any discount on your shades mister:p

better go now before i get resucked in....

Actually, i wanted to ask something. Does Goku still need the moon to go ssj4, or something equivalent?

i mean by just cutting off his tail gives you a great advantage since he'd go down to three, and he can only withstand that for sometime (i'm talking about his pre joining balls form here)

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 05:41 PM

Nope no moon

Odin's Lapdog

08-14-2004, 05:53 PM

but tail comment applies though?

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 05:54 PM

UNKNOWN

Odin's Lapdog

08-14-2004, 06:29 PM

So there's some grey area there.

;)

with that in mind, that would be the first place i'd go for if i'd studied goku before a bout. then it's a matter of seeing what i could do agains SSJ 3 for 30 mins, and waiting to take him out in his weakest guise once all his powers drained. That'd be my tatics.

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 06:58 PM

Gokus SSJ3 form is perfected

Besides in GT a normal Gokun(not chibi) can go toe to toe with a trained UUB in his base form.

Odin's Lapdog

08-14-2004, 07:05 PM

perfected but still weaker than 4, it's still a bonus

We can't tell if they were really pusing themselves there. Such a thing shouldn't be possible. Goku can't be that much stronger than anyone else. it would be getting silly:o

but you may be right, i'd just like to think they weren't pusing it to the max on both sides.

Krpton

08-14-2004, 07:09 PM

"Also can Goku span many light-years of galactic space in milliseconds? (Not including IM.)"

Its funny that you want to discount IM. You were all to willing to include it when you thought it was only light speed

No, the reason I went with the anime because everyone else was, I knew at the time that in the manga its instant, look back my posts and you will see. Also the reason I said not inclidint IM is because its not speed, because I know people will say IM.
But anyway can someone answer the question?

Oh WOW On live TV Whoopedy do. Kryllin and roshi performed that stunt in FRONT of a LIVE audience. You don't have to be as fast on Television since it can only shows a limited amount of frames per second unlike the human eye.

So did Superman, so what if it was on TV. Its a comic there is no frmes per second, whatever happens happens on the same time on TV. Like in when the Cell Games was being on TV, we saw the big titantron in the city and it wasn't late at all.

Oh WE know from the manga do we?? I seem to recall you saying that IM was the speed of light. I seem to recall you saying repeatedly that Goku was slower because IM (the supposed speed of light) was his top speed there fore he must be slower.

I already explained that.

How would you know what its states in the maga despite what you claim you've never read it. You change your damn stance more times than your socks.

What? What I never change my stance.

[/B]How am I wrong? I've only been trying to prove to you that that there is no proof supes is faster than Goku.[/B]

And there is no proof of Goku being faster than Superman.

So I AM RIGHT and you are WRONG AS USUAL. You've been wrong on so many occasions now its actually quite laughable

So you are not right. Wrong as usual? I was not worng about Super Buu being the strongest form of Buu, I was not wrong about Mystic Gohan being the strongest at the end of Z, I was not worng that Goku needing to concentrate to do IM, I was SSJ Trunks was not the speed of light or beyond when he went to get the dragon rador.

But seriosuly, you say Im wrong for saying Superman was faster than Goku because the speed was not stated. But you also do the same thing, you say Goku is faster than Superman but Goku's speed was not stated in the manga either, so your are wong too.

Just curious, is it true that the movie Superman best fits pre-crisis Superman? Because that is what all the Superman fans say on other forums, and would the movie Superman be able to defeat SSJ3 Goku?

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 07:12 PM

How about we do the old switcheroo since your bull**** is seriously boring the hell out of me.

Do you think post crisis superman can beat Goku?

Yes or no

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:00 PM

Its arguable

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:00 PM

You always bore me.

Do you think Pre-Crisis Superman can beat SSJ3 Goku?

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
Its arguable

Yep only you could actually fail to grasp the concept of a yes or no question:D

Originally posted by Krpton
You always bore me.

Do you think Pre-Crisis Superman can beat SSJ3 Goku?

Yeah that makes sense I always bore you, yet you continue to ask me questions:rolleyes:

What a genius you are:up:

and if you continue to to keep making seperate posts for a few lines I'm going to report you for spammimg:)

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:14 PM

Yeah that makes sense I always bore you, yet you continue to ask me questions

What a genius you are

I bore you, and you still answer back to me......lol......

and if you continue to to keep making seperate posts for a few lines I'm going to report you for spammimg

LOL!

GammaBeast

08-14-2004, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
You always bore me.

Do you think Pre-Crisis Superman can beat SSJ3 Goku?

If you're only putting forth the arguement that pre-crisis supes can beat ss3 goku, than do you admit that SS4 Goku could beat him?

Yes or No?

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:16 PM

Yep only you could actually fail to grasp the concept of a yes or no question

LOL!!!! I remember asking you, "Do you think Pre-Cisis Superman can beat SSJ3 Goku", and u answered "Its arguable" too, LOL!!!

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
I bore you, and you still answer back to me......lol......

Did I say you always bore me?? On the contrary your innate stupidity has provided me with plenty of laughs:up:

LOL!

LOL indeed:)

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:17 PM

If you're only putting forth the arguement that pre-crisis supes can beat ss3 goku, than do you admit that SS4 Goku could beat him?

Yes or No?

No, I don't.

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:18 PM

Okay then Jay, You dont't always bore me, ur starting to though.

GammaBeast

08-14-2004, 08:18 PM

Krpton you have yet to produce a single original, strong argument.

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:20 PM

But you said "Yes or No." So I did that.

GammaBeast

08-14-2004, 08:21 PM

I wasn't talking about that single post, I'm talking about since you entered this thread. You've never posted an original, strong argument.

And you need to stop double posting just to add a comment. Thats what the edit button on the posts is for.

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Krpton

LOL!!!! I remember asking you, "Do you think Pre-Cisis Superman can beat SSJ3 Goku", and u answered "Its arguable" too, LOL!!!

I believe your question was

so could pre-crisis supes beat goku, is it true that he is superior than goku in evrey aspect?

I responded with

Not every aspect. Pre crisis super couldn't fight to save his life. Take his powers away and he was a complete pussy

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:28 PM

I believe your question was

so could pre-crisis supes beat goku, is it true that he is superior than goku in evrey aspect?

I responded with

Not every aspect. Pre crisis super couldn't fight to save his life. Take his powers away and he was a complete

Yes I did say that, I also asked you the other question, don't lie now Jay, just admit you said that, lol.

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 08:32 PM

Where?

Show me the yes or no question

Krpton

08-14-2004, 08:45 PM

ahh man, don't you remember, thats long. Also you could have edited it by now, anyway I will look in a little while.

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 08:49 PM

On second thoughts: Good hunting:up:

GammaBeast

08-14-2004, 08:58 PM

Krpton if you look to the bottom of someones posts it tells you if it's been edited.

Krpton

08-14-2004, 09:00 PM

In a bit, but I guess you probablly edited it. So i can't be bothered now.

But your one was the worst, listing like 30 things going back in pages and pages ever since I came to these boards of the things I said which you posted directly at me and I never even read it, ypu spent all your energy doing that. LOL! now thats funny.

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 09:06 PM

Edited what??

How was that post directed at you:D

Krpton

08-14-2004, 09:08 PM

It was, you said something like "Hey Krypton, look at some of the BS arguments...." Etc. and you posted it.

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 09:10 PM

Bwhaahahahahaha WRONG:D

as usual

GammaBeast

08-14-2004, 09:32 PM

Krpton how can you comment on a post you just said you never read?

Guyverjay

08-14-2004, 09:35 PM

bwhahahahaha nice one GM, though I think he looking for a post of mine so he can prove me wrong. He's been looking for the past half an hour. Even if he turns out to be right it just makes him look even worse for actually looking for that long:D

edit: ahhh he finally gave up, mommy must have said its bedtime:(

Langoth

08-14-2004, 10:29 PM

He's a moron.

Its as clear as day.

You rock Guyverjay, infact, you rock so much, I'll say it again. You rock Guyverjay.

Really though, we are right, its really that simple, and that's what it boils down to. We are right, and he is wrong.

And his father is a cat :P

GammaBeast

08-14-2004, 10:43 PM

*sniff* *sniff* *wipes away a tear* awww no compliments for me?

Langoth

08-14-2004, 11:13 PM

Gamma, you and I are the B team, when Guyver isn't around, we clean up, :P. LoL

Hawkeye3500

08-15-2004, 08:57 PM

You know whats, sad? I've been around longer then he has and he has more posts than I do. Now this wouldn't bother me if he actually went to other forums, but all of his posts have mainly come from this thread.

GammaBeast

08-15-2004, 10:33 PM

Keep in mind that he does a lot of posting 2-9 times in a row.

Daddy

08-15-2004, 11:34 PM

"he would be raped without a reacharound".......
What is your problem,man?...You want to do him,don't you?
Thats sick.......seek help my friend...

Incrediblejeff

08-16-2004, 12:37 AM

Wouldn't it just be great if goku and superman had a big crossover

Guyverjay

08-16-2004, 06:37 AM

No it would suck!!!

DC would NEVER and I do mean NEVERRRRRR allow Goku to beat him. Goku would be powered down or superman would be powered up. I can see it now: superman suddenly busts out with Bruce lee style martial arts moves stunning Goku. :rolleyes:

Jager X

08-16-2004, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Guyverjay
No it would suck!!!

DC would NEVER and I do mean NEVERRRRRR allow Goku to beat him. Goku would be powered down or superman would be powered up. I can see it now: superman suddenly busts out with Bruce lee style martial arts moves stunning Goku. :rolleyes:

like the comic book strips posted a couple of pages back

Krpton

08-17-2004, 10:08 AM

Krpton how can you comment on a post you just said you never read?

bwhahahahaha nice one GM, though I think he looking for a post of mine so he can prove me wrong. He's been looking for the past half an hour. Even if he turns out to be right it just makes him look even worse for actually looking for that long

I read the fist bit, and I scroll down and there is a big big list, so I stopped reading it. And, no Jay, I wasn't looking for it. Well you one was the worst you went back pages and pages to look for all my posts just to do that list, that even worse, lol. I gave up?, I didn't even start.....

You also say, I fail to grasp of a yes or no question when I answered "its argable." And when I asked you the question like less than a month ago or something, you answered back "its arguable"....

Krpton

08-17-2004, 10:10 AM

Really though, we are right, its really that simple, and that's what it boils down to. We are right, and he is wrong.

How are you right though?

And his father is a cat :P

Shut up...

Langoth

08-17-2004, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
Really though, we are right, its really that simple, and that's what it boils down to. We are right, and he is wrong.

How are you right though?

And his father is a cat :P

Shut up...

We prove out own fact catboy. You can't even prove anything yourself, and whenever you try to use other people's knowledge, we shoot it down. Get your head out of your ass and give up, we are right, peroid.

Krpton

08-18-2004, 04:00 PM

We prove out own fact catboy. You can't even prove anything yourself, and whenever you try to use other people's knowledge, we shoot it down. Get your head out of your ass and give up, we are right, peroid.

So what have you proven?
Have you proven that Goku's speed is faster than Supermans?

GammaBeast

08-18-2004, 05:03 PM

Krpton I give credible first hand proof for everything I say. Can you say the same thing?

What have you proven?

Krpton

08-18-2004, 06:10 PM

Like what, name some GB?

GammaBeast

08-18-2004, 10:45 PM

Name some what? Some credible first hand proof I've given? Just look at ANY of my posts where I try to make a point.

Krpton

08-19-2004, 08:50 AM

Name a few, state a couple that you have proven?

Langoth

08-19-2004, 06:53 PM

At this point, I've lost interest in giving real replies-

Because if you read back, we give rule proof, while you do not (we make real references, while you take the words of others, and then we shoot it down)

So, I will become very petty

Your dad's not human. He's a cat, catboy, CATBOY I SAY!

GammaBeast

08-19-2004, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
Name a few, state a couple that you have proven?

Krpton I'll make you a deal. For everything I post to prove that I gave real, first-hand, credible evidence to prove a point. You post one as well.

I'll even go first.

I proved SS4 Goku could withstand a blast capable of destroying planets because he jumped in the way of a blast that was stated was going to destroy the earth, and he survived.

Your turn, if you can manage it.

Hawkeye3500

08-19-2004, 09:01 PM

Ya know, this thread has really gone from figuring out who could give Goku a good fight from lets see how much we can prove Krpton is an idiot. I'd just like to point that out.

Krpton

08-20-2004, 07:49 AM

JLA #41, the conclusion of the World War III story: Superman absorbs the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device stated to be capable of vaporizing GALAXIES (and was implied to be able to destroy all of Creation). Superman's body alone did it (no magic hammer needed). Superman suffers no harm whatsoever, and even smiles afterwards.

SSJ4 Goku got hurt, he got cuts and bruises after taking a planet destroying blast, so he didn't do it with ease. On the other hand Superman withstood enough energy to destroy galaxies with so much ease, he literally wasn't even scratched. That shows Superman can take more punishment that that and it also shows he is more durable that SSJ4 Goku.

Anyway why are you talking about GT, that show is one big plothole, facts and power level are wrong. At the end of the day it wasn't written by Akira Toryima. So make it Superman vs SSJ3 Goku.

ohwattagosiam

08-20-2004, 12:55 PM

Crrrrrrrrr-rikey!! :eek: :eek: :eek: Either Krpton has been playing the fool, or he's just (basically) copied and pasted someone else's post. I figure someone will track down the source of that info in due course (guyverjay probably), however, it doesn't really matter. GammaBeast, the ball's in your court.

Guyverjay

08-20-2004, 01:48 PM

That was copied and pasted from another site:up:

Krpton

08-20-2004, 04:29 PM

That was copied and pasted from another site

What are you talking about Jay, I never copied from another site or from another user. Why are you lieing. Let me see the proof if you think I copied and pasted.

I already had that knowledge about his durability and I did everything myself, I never copied no site or no one.

lol, so stop saying that I copied that from another site or user and stop lieing.

Guyverjay

08-20-2004, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
That was copied and pasted from another site

What are you talking about Jay, I never copied from another site or from another user. Why are you lieing. Let me see the proof if you think I copied and pasted.

I already had that knowledge about his durability and I did everything myself, I never copied no site or no one.

lol, so stop saying that I copied that from another site or user and stop lieing.

*sigh*

Heres a post you did on page 21 ( I cut out all the rest of the superman points) Notice something familiar?

Originally posted by Krpton
Here are some quotes taken from a similar argument at Dragonball-gt.com. Read this and tell me again Goku can beat Superman...

10) JLA #41, the conclusion of the World War III story: Superman absorbs the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device stated to be capable of vaporizing HALF A GALAXY (and was implied to be able to destroy all of Creation). This is Superman’s most extreme feat of energy absorption, and his body alone did it (no magic hammer needed). Although visibly quite distressed by the absorption, Superman suffers no harm whatsoever, and even smiles afterwards.

.

You even admitted you got it from another site right at the beginning of your post

GammaBeast

08-20-2004, 05:00 PM

Yup, that doesn't count Krpton, the proof you give must be first hand, you need to have gotten it yourself.

But I don't really think we can take your word for it, you just lied.

Krpton

08-21-2004, 07:30 AM

Yes I copied that bit, thats because I already knew that...
The reason I copied iy was because to give you the information about what comic it is, so if you think Im lieing, then you acn search that up. Also after I pasted that I write my own thing.

So GB think Im lieing, then the reference is there, search it up....

JLA #41, the conclusion of the World War III story: Superman absorbs the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device stated to be capable of vaporizing GALAXIES (and was implied to be able to destroy all of Creation). Superman's body alone did it (no magic hammer needed). Superman suffers no harm whatsoever, and even smiles afterwards.

SSJ4 Goku got hurt, he got cuts and bruises after taking a planet destroying blast, so he didn't do it with ease. On the other hand Superman withstood enough energy to destroy galaxies with so much ease, he literally wasn't even scratched. That shows Superman can take more punishment that that and it also shows he is more durable that SSJ4 Goku.

Anyway why are you talking about GT, that show is one big plothole, facts and power level are wrong. At the end of the day it wasn't written by Akira Toryima. So make it Superman vs SSJ3 Goku.

ohwattagosiam

08-21-2004, 08:38 AM

:mad:

Krpton,

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt (against my better judgement) seeing as GB's deal seemed very reasonable. But, alas, Guyverjay has pointed out your Supe's reference being copied from page 21 of this thread and that previously being copied from another site!

Also (and I realise that this might seem like I'm taking the piss), but we all have a fairly distinct style of writing. That SSJ4 Goku part is almost certainly copied from elsewhere as well. It reads like an answer to a question that you've already asked elsewhere. Honestly, just comparing your response (above the JLA#41 description), to the SSJ4 Goku part gives the impression that you've used someone else's post. Where's the dodgy spelling (or typo's if you prefer)? Where's the teenage grammer?

GB - I realise that you don't need to respond to Krpton's post (since it doesn't fall within your deal), but I personally would still be interested in your response, or anyone's that feel they can refute it. I'm not interested in getting into the debate so PM me with it if you'd rather not post one in the thread. Cheers.

Krpton

08-21-2004, 12:02 PM

Krpton,

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt (against my better judgement) seeing as GB's deal seemed very reasonable. But, alas, Guyverjay has pointed out your Supe's reference being copied from page 21 of this thread and that previously being copied from another site!

It was me who posted that on page 21. I say it again, the reason why I copied that was becsue I didn't know the refrence, I just wanted to find out the reference, so for the people who don't believe it can search it up for themsleves.

Also (and I realise that this might seem like I'm taking the piss), but we all have a fairly distinct style of writing. That SSJ4 Goku part is almost certainly copied from elsewhere as well. It reads like an answer to a question that you've already asked elsewhere. Honestly, just comparing your response (above the JLA#41 description), to the SSJ4 Goku part gives the impression that you've used someone else's post. Where's the dodgy spelling (or typo's if you prefer)? Where's the teenage grammer?

Nah, your not taking the piss, I know how it must look. But the SSJ4 Goku part, I added that on, it says that GT is a big plothole Etc, but I always write that about GT, look at my previous posts.
I never copied anyone from the second part of my post, this and the DC boards are the only ones I go to for Superman, and for DBZ its the IGN forum.

I use to type dodgey, I don't do no more of the teenage grammer, I stopped that like a month ago and sometimes I still do typo's.

Edit: If you look at my post again about the SSJ4 part, its got typo's in it, more reason that I never copied that from no one nor no site.

GB - I realise that you don't need to respond to Krpton's post (since it doesn't fall within your deal), but I personally would still be interested in your response, or anyone's that feel they can refute it. I'm not interested in getting into the debate so PM me with it if you'd rather not post one in the thread. Cheers.

Why? GB, you can still respond because if you don't believe me, you can search it up for yourself, simple as that.

Guyverjay

08-21-2004, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
I use to type dodgey, I don't do no more of the teenage grammer...

Oh the irony:D

Krpton

08-21-2004, 05:01 PM

Oh the Irony

huh?

Anyway, so I guess everyone agrees that Superman is more durable than SSJ3 Goku right?

GarudA

08-22-2004, 05:42 AM

WTF? This thread is still going on? :eek:

Nathan

08-22-2004, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by GarudA
WTF? This thread is still going on? :eek:

That's because krpton is more persistent than a Cockroach.

GammaBeast

08-22-2004, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Krpton
Oh the Irony

huh?

Anyway, so I guess everyone agrees that Superman is more durable than SSJ3 Goku right?

You need to stop pulling that ****. You assume just because we don't mention a specific thing that we agree with you. I don't think anyone here has ever agreed with you.

Krpton

08-22-2004, 03:07 PM

(Never mind)

Krpton

08-22-2004, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by GammaBeast
You need to stop pulling that ****. You assume just because we don't mention a specific thing that we agree with you. I don't think anyone here has ever agreed with you.

What in the blue hell are you talking about? I never assumed nothing, if you read my post again, you will see theres a question mark at the end, in other words, i was asking if you guys agree with me.

Also didn't you guys agree with me when I said Super Buu is the strongest form of Buu....

Anyway, why don't you agree with me?

The refrence is the if you think Im lieing....

ss4goku53

08-23-2004, 04:44 PM

. Krpton - SSJ4 Goku got hurt, he got cuts and bruises after taking a planet destroying blast

ssj4goku took bebi's revenge death ball without moving, had no damage, and didn't even blink......that blast was countless times more powerful than frieza's blast that blew up planet namek.

Hellscream

08-26-2004, 03:12 PM

i still think nobody in dc comics could even touch goku, let alone take him on

ss4goku53

08-31-2004, 03:09 PM

I agree 100%

Krpton

09-01-2004, 04:19 PM

.

ssj4goku took bebi's revenge death ball without moving, had no damage, and didn't even blink......that blast was countless times more powerful than frieza's blast that blew up planet namek.

Frieza never blew up planet Namek.
Also Goku did get hurt, he got cuts and bruises and all scratched up.

ss4goku53

09-01-2004, 04:56 PM

Are you watching the same show? Namek is no more. Who else blew it up then?

Hawkeye3500

09-01-2004, 04:58 PM

Yeah, Frieza blew up Planet Namek. Its the span of like ten shows that are supposed to represent five minutes. So yeah, Krpton, you're an idiot if you don't think Frieza blew up Namek.

Krpton

09-01-2004, 05:03 PM

GarudA

09-01-2004, 05:22 PM

i still think nobody in dc comics could even touch goku, let alone take him on

I am pretty Sure the Spectre would destroy him

ss4goku53

09-01-2004, 05:22 PM

Frieza did shoot a ki blast at the planet to destroy it because he knew he could not beat Goku. Namek didn't blow up on it's own. Go watch the entire show before coming back to the boards.

Krpton

09-01-2004, 05:27 PM

Frieza did shoot a ki blast at the planet to destroy it because he knew he could not beat Goku. Namek didn't blow up on it's own. Go watch the entire show before coming back to the boards.

The planets was getting slowly destroyed while Goku and Frieza was fighting...

ss4goku53

09-01-2004, 05:30 PM

Because of the original blast that Frieza shot at the planet.

ss4goku53

09-01-2004, 05:32 PM

If it was destroyed from their fighting alone then the planet of the Kai's would have definatly been destroyed during the Kid Buu fight.

Hawkeye3500

09-02-2004, 12:21 AM

Frieza never did a ki blast that destroyed Namek, Namek was getting destroyed slowly by itself.
Btw Namek got wished back.

Also it never spanned 5 minutes becuse the talking in itself was way over 5 minutes, unless they was speaking in superspeed :) to each other and understanding each other, which I really doubt very much. ;)

Umm, actually, no. They wished for a new planet that was exactly like their own. So, you just proved how much more of an idiot you are. Watch the friggin' cartoon.

Krpton

09-02-2004, 05:36 AM

Huh? Whats that got to do with the quote on your post? I alread know that, heck look again, i even said they wished Namek back, lol you say Ive prooved how much more of an idiot I am, lol.... :rolleyes:

Krpton

09-02-2004, 05:41 AM

Anyway what this debate about?
Thats right, who is more durable.
So SSJ4 Goku and Hawky, so why do you think Goku is more durable?

ss4goku53

09-02-2004, 10:36 AM

Krpton

09-03-2004, 04:34 PM

The debate has been all about correcting you. But I already told you SSJ4Goku took Bebi's revenge death ball and received no damage at all. He was left standing there while all the earth around him was destroyed. Bebi even says "that attack should have reduced you too ashes and it did nothing".

No this thread is not about correcting me, I have been right on some occasions.
Fisrt off we don't know how much damage Bebi put into that Revenge death ball, also it did not destroy all of the earth.
Secondly why in the blue hell are we inclding GT because that show is one big plothole, they made Goku struggle to lift a building! All the facts are wrong in GT.
But if you still want it to count let it be...

ss4goku53

09-03-2004, 04:56 PM

Krpton

09-03-2004, 05:02 PM

In his kid form they made him struggle, then went SSJ4 and had no problems and continued to lift the city. Also......Bebi's attack had to be strong enough to destroy a planet since he was trying to kill Goku, and I am talking about the character Goku. Since he is in GT then I can talk about GT.

Your speculating about the ki blast enough to destroy a planet since he was trying to kill Goku.
Since you are talking about the character Goku therefore also GT, then I will include the Superman Movies, thats fair enough innit? Agree?:up:

ss4goku53

09-03-2004, 05:47 PM

I dont' care what you talk about. I don't see how the movies can help you prove anything about superman being better at anything than Goku.

Krpton

09-03-2004, 06:10 PM

I dont' care what you talk about. I don't see how the movies can help you prove anything about superman being better at anything than Goku.

Superman turned back time in the movies, he did it with his speed alone, he went gazillion times beyond light speed.
Goku would be lost, he wouln't know where Superman is, he wouldn't know what to do, Goku wouldn't be close to even laying a hit on Superman lets alone touching his cape. :)
The only thing Goku would be doin is chasing Superman's Kryptonian dust...wait even that might br too fast for him. ;)

Nathan

09-04-2004, 06:50 AM

Superman turned back time in the movies, he did it with his speed alone, he went gazillion times beyond light speed.
Goku would be lost, he wouln't know where Superman is, he wouldn't know what to do, Goku wouldn't be close to even laying a hit on Superman lets alone touching his cape. :)
The only thing Goku would be doin is chasing Superman's Kryptonian dust...wait even that might br too fast for him. ;)

Hey dumbass, for the milionth time. The Movies mean squat. They are not canon. The movies don't proof what Superman is able or not able to do, the only true sources are the comics. Get that into your brain bonehead.

Krpton

09-04-2004, 09:58 AM

Hey dumbass, for the milionth time. The Movies mean squat. They are not canon. The movies don't proof what Superman is able or not able to do, the only true sources are the comics. Get that into your brain bonehead.

Hey dumbass, the only reason I included the movies is because of what ssj4goku53 said: I dont' care what you talk about. I don't see how the movies can help you prove anything about superman being better at anything than Goku."

DBGT or the movies doesn't proove what Goku is able or not able to do, the only true source is the manga.

So people stop counting GT, I have said that so many times, get that into your brain bonehead.:up:

Nathan

09-04-2004, 10:22 AM

Hey dumbass, the only reason I included the movies is because of what ssj4goku53 said: I dont' care what you talk about. I don't see how the movies can help you prove anything about superman being better at anything than Goku."

You annoying **** were mentioning the movies dozens of times before ssj4goku53 even wrote that. So shut up.

DBGT or the movies doesn't proove what Goku is able or not able to do, the only true source is the manga.

It's the end of the world!!!! I'm actually agreeing with him on that one.

So people stop counting GT, I have said that so many times, get that into your brain bonehead.:up:

If you want to insult me, be at least original and don't use my affronts lame brain. :up:

Tomwelling4sups

09-04-2004, 01:12 PM

Superman, Thor, Hulk, Captain Marvel, and Batman.

Tomwelling4sups

09-04-2004, 01:13 PM

Superman couls easily kick Goku's azz!

GammaBeast

09-04-2004, 03:46 PM

Your speculating about the ki blast enough to destroy a planet since he was trying to kill Goku.
Since you are talking about the character Goku therefore also GT, then I will include the Superman Movies, thats fair enough innit? Agree?:up:

Hell no, GT is atleast licensed and as such is part of the continuity. The Superman movies are like the GT movies and out of continuity. There is one major thing you keep forgetting, the crisis of infinite earths. By the DC continuity

Pre-crisis superman is dead and no longer exists, so if you're going to discount GT which by all rights is IN continuity, then we need to take out Pre-crisis which by all rights is no longer in continuity.

I've thought about it and if we count Pre-crisis then the Dragonball Movies should be counted.

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As for you Tomwelling4sups, what do you actually know about DBZ?

Krpton

09-04-2004, 03:55 PM

If Dragonball movies count, then the Superman movies should count.

GarudA

09-04-2004, 04:01 PM

Hell no, GT is atleast licensed and as such is part of the continuity. The Superman movies are like the GT movies and out of continuity. There is one major thing you keep forgetting, the crisis of infinite earths. By the DC continuity

Pre-crisis superman is dead and no longer exists, so if you're going to discount GT which by all rights is IN continuity, then we need to take out Pre-crisis which by all rights is no longer in continuity.

I've thought about it and if we count Pre-crisis then the Dragonball Movies should be counted.

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As for you Tomwelling4sups, what do you actually know about DBZ?

What about Superman Prime? Do you count him as well?

Nathan

09-04-2004, 04:03 PM

What about Superman Prime? Do you count him as well?

What is Superman Prime? Is he in the current series? A Elseworld story? What?

GarudA

09-04-2004, 04:15 PM

What is Superman Prime? Is he in the current series? A Elseworld story? What?

Superman prime is Superman way ahead in the future, just say Superman Prime makes Pre-crises look like a wuss., in other words he is the most powerfull version of superman.

This Goku vs Superman debate thing has been done before,its all over the internet here is one

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-295243

Nathan

09-04-2004, 04:23 PM

Then Superman Prime doesn't count.

This discussion is about the current Superman and the current Goku.

That means Pre-Crisis Superman, which doesn't exist anymore, and Superman Prime, who first appears somewhere in the future, are not allowed in this discussion.

GammaBeast

09-04-2004, 04:59 PM

If Dragonball movies count, then the Superman movies should count.

Did you even read my last post? I'm saying that pre-crisis shouldn't count because ALL pre-crisis characters no longer exist, they are no longer part of the official continuity so they shouldn't count, understand that?

GT may have sucked, but it was still licensed, which made it part of the continuity. So it HAS to be counted as evidence, plot holes and all.

If you count pre-crisis which is now out of continuity, then you should count the Dragonball movies which are also out of continuity. If you don't count the DB movies then you shouldn't count pre-crisis.

ElectroFlare

09-04-2004, 05:52 PM

I didn't feel like reading 58 pages, so forgive me if this is said already. Also, i haven't seen GT personally, so for my post, i'm judging by goku at the end of DBZ.

DC, Superman would be one of the few able to actually fight him. He'd get his rear handed to him, but he'd be one of the few to comprehend Goku's speed. Him and Flash. Flash might actually be able to beat Goku if written right. But thas a whole other argument.:) Oh, and i'm no DC buff so i'm sure theres other super speed heroes i don't know about...

Out of Marvel, I see Silver Surfer, Galactus and such as the only ones be able to fight him. But SS is too much of a pasicifist, galactus would just look for another planet to eat cause goku would be too much of a fight. Although maybe Reed Richards could give Goku a run for his money?

Oh, and with planning, Batman would win...and i hate batman.

By the way, is this daredevil? :daredevil

GarudA

09-04-2004, 06:20 PM

I am pretty Sure the Spectre would destroy him

Why hasnt anyone responded to this? I still think The Spectre(from DC) could beat Goku

Krpton

09-04-2004, 07:11 PM

Krpton

09-04-2004, 07:17 PM

One more question, what is an else world story? I know its out of continuity, but was Superman Prime an else world story?

GammaBeast

09-04-2004, 08:43 PM

Elseworld is another reality, it is out of continuity so it doesn't count.

The "current" goku would be the last version made which is Goku at the very end of GT.

Krpton

09-05-2004, 08:01 AM

If GT counts then shouldn't the DBZ/GT movies count? Because the movies are also licensed.

Also I really think GT shouln't count because it was not written by Akira Toryima.

Krpton

09-05-2004, 08:14 AM

Okay GB, like you said if GT is discounted, so should Pre-Crisis Superman, I agree.
If Superman movies (which is licensed) are disscounted, so should the DBZ/GT movies.

So that leaves Post-Crisis Superman vs DBZ Goku.

But there is also elseworld stories, Superman Prime, its still licensed, even if it is out of continuity, if you think this shouldn't count then...wait, theres nothing to cancel out this.

GammaBeast

09-05-2004, 01:43 PM

You just said it, it's out of continuity. Elseworld is like the DBZ movies, they don't count.

I still say GT should count since it is IN continuity unlike Pre-crisis and elseworld, but even if it isn't. SS3 Goku would wipe the floor with the current supes.

Krpton

09-05-2004, 02:14 PM

So you are saying anything out of continuity does not count?

GammaBeast

09-05-2004, 02:37 PM

If out of continuity counts then the DBZ and GT movies count because they are out of continuity.

Do you even know what out of continuity means?

Krpton

09-05-2004, 03:17 PM

Ok you can count the DBZ and GT movies.
You can count everything.

GammaBeast

09-05-2004, 05:58 PM

Krpton, just so I know. Do you even know what out of continuity means?

Krpton

09-06-2004, 03:33 PM

Krpton, just so I know. Do you even know what out of continuity means?

lol, are you serious....very well, out of continuity is like the DBZ/GT movies(exception of Trunks and Bardock) and Superman movies, they do not fit in with the timeline, and continuity is like from DBZ to GT, its still in the same timeline therefore in continuity.
Happy now? :rolleyes:

Krpton

09-06-2004, 03:58 PM

Oh yeh, I got a question, I know this is off topic but how do i stop replies going into my email adress, so I went to my options and I unsuscribed to some threads, but that didn't stop it coming into my inbox, so how do stop makin replies coming into my email add?

Krpton

09-07-2004, 04:09 PM

So are we counting everything?

Or we can use the strongest form of Goku vs the strongest form of Superman?

Or we can take the best bits of Goku, so take the best things out of DBZ Goku, DBGT Goku and the DBZ and DBGT movies and specials Goku and put it into one form of Goku.
Vice versa for Superman?

So which one, and can someone answer my question beofre this post.
And where is everyone? Its getting dry.

GammaBeast

09-08-2004, 01:59 PM

How about we just do what makes the most sense, which is only count things in continuity (since they are technically the only REAL things in the story).

Couting just those Goku is far beyond supes.

Krpton

09-08-2004, 04:31 PM

How about we just do what makes the most sense, which is only count things in continuity (since they are technically the only REAL things in the story).

Couting just those Goku is far beyond supes.

No your wrong, "techniqually the only REAL things in the story" are the comics and the manga. :)

Even if it is in continuity, it does not mean its the true source, some DBZ movies are arguable that it is in continuity but yet it is still disscounted because it is not the one true source.:up:

GammaBeast

09-08-2004, 05:31 PM

No your wrong, "techniqually the only REAL things in the story" are the comics and the manga. :)

Even if it is in continuity, it does not mean its the true source, some DBZ movies are arguable that it is in continuity but yet it is still disscounted because it is not the one true source.:up:

Even if it is in continuity does not mean its the true source? What the hell is that supposed to mean? If its not in continuity it doesn't matter, the DBZ movies are not part of the continuity, hence they are not part of the story.

Krpton

09-08-2004, 05:55 PM

GT is in continuity but its still not the one true source.

Hawkeye3500

09-08-2004, 09:42 PM

GT is not really in continuity either and most definitely not from the true source.

Krpton

09-09-2004, 09:16 AM

Exactly Hawky, therefore GT does NOT count. (Btw GT REALLY isn't in continuity, but its still continuity....confused yet.)

GammaBeast

09-09-2004, 05:36 PM

GT is not really in continuity either and most definitely not from the true source.

If you're talking about the anime Goku then yes it is, once something becomes licensed it is part of the official story. And unfortunately GT is.

Jager X

09-09-2004, 05:40 PM

well if i remember correctly,the buu saga never took place in the manga.so do you discount dbz also for not being true to the source?

Krpton

09-09-2004, 06:25 PM

well if i remember correctly,the buu saga never took place in the manga.so do you discount dbz also for not being true to the source?

LOL! That is the funniest thing Ive heard, where in the blue hell did you get that info from?

You on crack? It did happen in the manga, Akira Toryima did it himself.

It shows how much you know about DBZ....

If you want proof, let me give you a page: (I just found out how to put images up.)

http://mercury.walagata.com/w/kujila/InsideBuu.gif

So for the people who still think Kid Buu is the strongest (GammaBeast), you just got prooved wrong.

GammaBeast

09-09-2004, 07:57 PM

Krpton, look closely at that pic. Where exactly is KID BUU shown or mentioned? To my memory this is BEFORE he became kid buu.

Jager X

09-09-2004, 11:45 PM

Krpton

09-10-2004, 05:28 AM

Double Post

Krpton

09-10-2004, 05:33 AM

Krpton, look closely at that pic. Where exactly is KID BUU shown or mentioned? To my memory this is BEFORE he became kid buu.

Look, Gohan owned Super Buu1 very easily, but Goku said that he and Vegeta would DIE if they fought him. So that shows Mystic Gohan >>>> SSJ3 Goku, and Super Buu1 >>>> SSJ3 Goku.

As for Gotenks Buu, when the Gotenks fusion wore off in Buu's body, he became Piccolo, and Goku said:

Fusion ends and Gotenks Buu returns to Pccolo Buu.
Gohan gets the earing.
"Left ear, right dad?"
"No." says SSJ3 Goku
"Uhh...right?"
"No, there is no need to do a fusion." Goku returns to base form. "Now that GOHAN can defeat you now."

That was taken from the japanese anime and the mannga, its not the exact wording but more or less what they said.

So there is another example thay also show Mystic Gohan >>>> SSJ3 Goku Etc.

So Goku and Vegeta come out of Super Buu's body, Super Buu goes starts changing, he transforms into Buff Buu, (Which is stroinger that Super Buu, and or equal with Piccolo Buu, we don't know.) Goku and Vegeta get scared that his power level increased, but then it went down, he went back all the way down to Kid Buu, then Goku says that his power level decreased so much, and says that he is much more weaker then before.
So that shows:
Buff Buu >>>> Super Buu >>>> SSJ3 Goku >>>> Kid Buu (althouh imo, I disagree with SSJ3 Goku >>>> Kid Buu bevause we never really saw Kid Buu's full power, thats just my opnion.)

If Goku stated that he would die against Super Buu, then why would he fight Kid Buu, he even said that he could be him if he was a FPSSJ3.:up:

For the record this is the order of Buu's from strongest to weakest:

Mystic Buu
Gotenks Buu
Buff Buu >/= Piccolo Buu
Super Buu
Kid Buu
Fat Buu
Evil Buu
Mr Buu

Or:
Fat Buu
Evil Buu
Kid Buu
Mr Buu

(because it is arguable that it is in that order by many DBZ fans.)

Krpton

09-10-2004, 05:42 AM

i was talking about kid buu.even though i failed to specify that,where in the blue hell do you get the audacity to tell me how much i know about dbz.actually it was you,krpton,that said kid buu isn't the strongest which was stated in the cartoon but not in the manga.so by your logic dbz is not true to the source and does not count in this discussion.even though you're wrong of course.

LOL, Prove where I said that, lol, I have never said that in my life. But anyways in the English anime, they narrator said Kid Buu is the most strongest, but that was a dub line error, because it did not happen in the managa nor did it happen in the Japanese anime.

Jager X

09-10-2004, 05:03 PM

LOL, Prove where I said that, lol, I have never said that in my life. But anyways in the English anime, they narrator said Kid Buu is the most strongest, but that was a dub line error, because it did not happen in the managa nor did it happen in the Japanese anime.

wow,way to contradict yourself.you just made a goddamn list stating that kid buu isn't the strongest buu yet you deny ever saying that.you can still tell that kid buu was deadlier and stronger than the previous buu by the expressions on everones face BEFORE,DURING,and AFTER the transformation.the flashbacks also points all fingers at kid buu being the strongest.

Hawkeye3500

09-10-2004, 05:33 PM

I don't know if Kid Buu was the strongest, but one thing is for sure, he was the most dangerous. He did not play around like Super Buu nor was he clumsy like Majin Buu.

Krpton

09-10-2004, 05:53 PM

wow,way to contradict yourself.you just made a goddamn list stating that kid buu isn't the strongest buu yet you deny ever saying that.you can still tell that kid buu was deadlier and stronger than the previous buu by the expressions on everones face BEFORE,DURING,and AFTER the transformation.the flashbacks also points all fingers at kid buu being the strongest.

I "made a goddamn list stating that Kid Buu isn't the strongest Buu yet I deny ever saying that." When in the blue hell did I do that, when I came I have always said that Super Buu was the strongest, ask the other users they might remember.

It was also stated that Kid Buu was the most dangerous out of the Buu's not strongest. Kid Buu did things without thinking, he would just do it, he was crazy, insane. For example he just blows himslef up with other planets and regenerates again, like how he blew up the Earth straight away with hesitating knowing that it will blow him up aswell.

The expressions on everyones face when Mystic Buu went back to Super Buu, they was happy, but Goku and Vegeta still knew they was no match for him. After they came out of the body, Super Buu was going thorugh some changes and Super Buu turned into Buff Buu, then the expressions on their face got scared, then Buff Buu turned back to Kid Buu, and their expressions was happy and Goku also stated that he has gone much weaker than before.

LOL, how does flashbacks point all the fingers to Kid Buu being the strongest.

Krpton

09-10-2004, 06:00 PM

I don't know if Kid Buu was the strongest, but one thing is for sure, he was the most dangerous. He did not play around like Super Buu nor was he clumsy like Majin Buu.

Well your half right, Kid Buu does play around, for example when he was fighting Vegeta, Mr Buu he was playing around with them, he was even playing around with Goku, if you watch the fight you will see why.
And yes he is the most dangerous which was stated but not the strongest.

Krpton

09-10-2004, 06:06 PM

Goku says that Gohan could defeat Piccolo Buu when the Gotenks fusion wore off inside Buu. Not GOKU but Gohan.
I don't get something, Goku stated that he will die if he and Vegeta fought Super Buu, so thats saying that an SSJ2 and an SSJ3 would loose to him.
Goku and Vegeta are relieved that Super Buu went back to Kid Buu, and Goku states that he has gone much weaker than before.
Goku was so sure that he AND Vegeta would die facing Super Buu, but Goku fights Kid Buu and stated that if he was a FPSSJ3 he could beat Kid Buu.

Afte all that evidence, some of you guys still say Kid Buu is the strongest?
Seriosuly use your head and work it out.

Look at the manga page I posted, it is showing Super Buu >>>> SSJ3 Goku AND SSJ2 Vegeta.
Then Goku stated if he was a FPSSJ3 he could have beaten Kid Buu.
And that is showing Kid Buu <<<< Super Buu.

Hawkeye3500

09-10-2004, 09:40 PM

Goku never went SSJ 3 against Super Buu with Vegeta, they were both SSJ2 at the fight. But its for sure Goku could not keep up with Buu when he had Gohan. Actually, in the anime, Japanese version, Goku said, "Even Gohan can beat you now.""

And from what it looked like, Goku was doing just as well against Gotenks Buu as Gohan was in the episode and at that time he was also helping Gohan figure out the fusion earring as well. So, he was fighting distracted.

Nathan

09-11-2004, 01:40 AM

Goku never went SSJ 3 against Super Buu with Vegeta, they were both SSJ2 at the fight.

Filler! Filler! Filler! FILLER!!!!!!!!!

But its for sure Goku could not keep up with Buu when he had Gohan. Actually, in the anime, Japanese version, Goku said, "Even Gohan can beat you now.""

What he meant is that Gohan can beat him alone, now that the Fusion of Gotenks whore off. No Fusion were needed here anymore to beat him.

And from what it looked like, Goku was doing just as well against Gotenks Buu as Gohan was in the episode and at that time he was also helping Gohan figure out the fusion earring as well. So, he was fighting distracted.

FIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! Goku never fought against Super Boo. He would've been killed for sure hif he did. Remember the manga? He almost **** his pants when he was face to face against Super Boo.

Krpton

09-11-2004, 08:39 AM

Even if Goku said "even Gohan can defeat you now" he was reffering to the would-be fusion to Gohan, which makes sense.

Anyway if Goku stated he AND Bejita would surely die fighting Super Buu1, so how in the blue hell is Goku able to beat Piccolo Buu who is stronger than Super Buu1.

Also I do nkow where you are coming from, I have seen the episode where Goku says "even" Gohan bit, buts thats false subbing.

Just remember what translation you watched, and or if it was downloaded....

GammaBeast you still think Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu?, And have you seen the whole of the Buu saga yet?

Jager X

09-11-2004, 05:01 PM

I "made a goddamn list stating that Kid Buu isn't the strongest Buu yet I deny ever saying that." When in the blue hell did I do that, when I came I have always said that Super Buu was the strongest, ask the other users they might remember.

It was also stated that Kid Buu was the most dangerous out of the Buu's not strongest. Kid Buu did things without thinking, he would just do it, he was crazy, insane. For example he just blows himslef up with other planets and regenerates again, like how he blew up the Earth straight away with hesitating knowing that it will blow him up aswell.

The expressions on everyones face when Mystic Buu went back to Super Buu, they was happy, but Goku and Vegeta still knew they was no match for him. After they came out of the body, Super Buu was going thorugh some changes and Super Buu turned into Buff Buu, then the expressions on their face got scared, then Buff Buu turned back to Kid Buu, and their expressions was happy and Goku also stated that he has gone much weaker than before.

LOL, how does flashbacks point all the fingers to Kid Buu being the strongest.

when super buu transformed into kid buu,kabutokai had a very worried look on his face as if he knew what goku and vegita were up against.also,i was referring to the flashback where all the kai's fought kid buu and the only way they were able to stop his rampage was by fusing with him thus forming majin buu.now that i've clarified myself,you can continue your argument without me,for now.

Nathan

09-11-2004, 06:45 PM

when super buu transformed into kid buu,kabutokai had a very worried look on his face as if he knew what goku and vegita were up against.

You wanna know why he had such a worried face? Because he was looking into the face of the lunatic he fought the very first time. That wasn't the chubby, playable and chidlike Fat Boo, or Super Boo who was always out for a good fight anymore. It was a suicidal, little, mindless, whacko who would blow up a planet without wasting a second thought.

also,i was referring to the flashback where all the kai's fought kid buu and the only way they were able to stop his rampage was by fusing with him thus forming majin buu.

WTF? What the ****ing hell?! o_O When did they ever say that? They surely didn't voluntarily fused with him.

Boo was owning one Kaioshin after another, only after he absorbed the Dai Kaioshin, the most gently, kind and warmhearted of all Kaioshins, Boo lost a great amount of killing intent and became childlike. He surley didn't lose any of his powers, he was just more controlable in this state.

now that i've clarified myself,you can continue your argument without me,for now.

You get back here right now! :mad:

Jager X

09-11-2004, 11:43 PM

You wanna know why he had such a worried face? Because he was looking into the face of the lunatic he fought the very first time. That wasn't the chubby, playable and chidlike Fat Boo, or Super Boo who was always out for a good fight anymore. It was a suicidal, little, mindless, whacko who would blow up a planet without wasting a second thought.

WTF? What the ****ing hell?! o_O When did they ever say that? They surely didn't voluntarily fused with him.

Boo was owning one Kaioshin after another, only after he absorbed the Dai Kaioshin, the most gently, kind and warmhearted of all Kaioshins, Boo lost a great amount of killing intent and became childlike. He surley didn't lose any of his powers, he was just more controlable in this state.

You get back here right now! :mad:

thanks for correcting me, because everything you said i basically said.

Krpton

09-12-2004, 07:06 AM

Yes, but that doesn't mean he is stronger just because he is more dangerous.....

Silver Lantern

09-19-2004, 12:14 AM

Superman and Goku would be the best showdown between two flying powerful and strong characters and that would be a battle I would love to see.

WeaponZ2

09-19-2004, 12:50 AM

LOL! That is the funniest thing Ive heard, where in the blue hell did you get that info from?

You on crack? It did happen in the manga, Akira Toryima did it himself.

It shows how much you know about DBZ....

If you want proof, let me give you a page: (I just found out how to put images up.)

http://mercury.walagata.com/w/kujila/InsideBuu.gif

So for the people who still think Kid Buu is the strongest (GammaBeast), you just got prooved wrong.
Where did you get that? was it off a site if so what was it?

Note:i dont think eny one from DC or marvel could take goku, maybe and thats a MAYBE Superman and Doomsday.

KryptoniteSucks

09-19-2004, 04:27 PM

Its me Krpton, I had to create another user beceuase something was wrong with the other one. Damn I have to start my post counts again, oh well.

KryptoniteSucks

09-19-2004, 04:39 PM

Where did you get that? was it off a site if so what was it?

Note:i dont think eny one from DC or marvel could take goku, maybe and thats a MAYBE Superman and Doomsday.

Well that page is taken directly from the orginal Japanese managa which has been subbed into English, that is why it is not in colour, the orginal manga is in black and white. Its the one and only true source, this is where all the facts are, not anywhere else, including the DBZ anime, DBZ/GT movies and GT even thought GT is in continuity, its still not the orginal and the true source.

KryptoniteSucks

09-19-2004, 04:45 PM

So do you guys still think Kid Buu is the strongest after reading everything on the previous page[I]s[I], even though you guy got prooved wrong.:up:

KryptoniteSucks

09-24-2004, 04:10 PM

So do you guys still think Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu?

Anyway what happen to the Superman vs Goku debate? Anyone?

Shyair~108

09-25-2004, 06:31 PM

So do you guys still think Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu?

Anyway what happen to the Superman vs Goku debate? Anyone?
No one got proven wrong.

The image of buu in that comic is of the merged Tien/Piccolo Buu. AKA Adult Buu. Hence his ability to speak properly. You pretty much just proved for everyone else what they've been saying for the longest.

Also, Goku wouldn't fall to superman. He'd rape him twice before even taking a breath. Have a nice day.

Fred_Fury

10-17-2004, 02:26 PM

Wolverine would wup gokus ass!

Super_Child

10-20-2004, 09:15 PM

Perhaps Fred Fury, That is if Goku were to bend over and let him. If not Goku would take out Wolverine before he had the time to say Bub.

Fred_Fury

10-20-2004, 11:33 PM

I was just messing. I think hulk would put up a good fight. He's the strongest guy in the marvel universe. He knocked out onslaught with one punch. He has unlimited power, the more angry he gets, the more powerful he gets. So if Goku were to somehow get hulk angry enough... he would open a can of wup ass on Goku... maybe...

Nathan

10-21-2004, 01:24 PM

To do that, he'd have to catch Goku first. And that's not gonna happen.

Guyverjay

10-21-2004, 01:26 PM

I. He knocked out onslaught with one punch.

He did????:eek:

I must have missed that part:rolleyes:

You obviously haven't read it have you?:)

GenoMaker

10-21-2004, 09:24 PM

goku can destroy a planet in less than a nano second, superman would have to dig alot of tunnels to cause the earth to collapse

Superbot400

10-23-2004, 10:33 AM

Hulk can do the same thing he does to other speedy guy it Goku's IT that is probelm of this fight. Goku could be anywhere with techique. Hulk could defeat by Goku if Goku does ITs hit some strong ki blasts. Hulk would a small chance catch Goku. Hulk would to have be really really lucky

VICTORVONDOOMX

10-24-2004, 06:23 AM

Dr. Doom would build some far out gadget that would modulate his Super Saiyan energy field to increase the power output of Dooms armor exponential to Goku's effort. So the harder Goku fought, the more he'd get his butt kicked. Mr. Fantastic, or as Vic likes to call his nemesis, Mr. Stretchy Pants, would build some far out gadget that would modulate his Super Saiyan energy field to create a pocket dimension which would hold him until he shared the secrets of his hair gel.

uGa2000

10-25-2004, 05:38 AM

Okay, some of you people are crazy! I'm not a big fan of the show, other than seeing a few episodes on TV, but this is the deal.

Nobody! Absolutely nobody, can beat Goku. Not Silver Surfer, not Superman, not Thor, not Dr. Doom, not Hulk, not anyone. Nobody.

Goku is on an entirely differently level from these other superheroes. They're just no match, unless they are completely immortal. But even then they couldn't win. Goku can instantaneously transport from one place to another in a millisecond. He can destroy an entire planet with the power in one finger. He can take a beating that Superman would never hope to survive. Goku at Super Saiyan Level 4, or whatever it is, is unstoppable. He can be fought hard, and even injured, but he just keeps coming back.

Of the DBZ and DBGT episodes I've seen, the anime versions with the original japanese voices are by far better.