Who in DC or Marvel would give Goku a good fight?

[Odin's Lapdog]

Nah he 's a super 17 lover, he also loves the content of his trunks:)

you make me blush sometimes

:)

[Odin's Lapdog]

Really? I dont think Goku's powers get the full nod and appreciation that it deserves.

well i'll give it to him on speed, but saying this, he did learn this instant translocation from another race, so in that respect he must be be relatively a novice when it comes to its use in comparison to them (although i may be wrong then) but he still can't be the fastest person in the DB universe since there is a whole race out their that can travel at similar speeds.

And when it comes to raw brute strength, i think that there are many characters that can take the brunt of his attacks. This is if we are just talking about raw strength. Not many of the physical attacks in DB universe really impressed me. Sure even the weakest of the main cast are incredibly strong, but i don't think they exactly dwarf the whole spectrum of Marvel/DC characters though.

if we go with fighting techniques, then the saiyans got pretty sloppy in GT, goku wasn't fighting at his very best i don't think, and we didn't even get to see Gogeta dukeit out with anyone properly in SSJ 4 mode. they were getting so powerful that they didn't have to fight properly. (sure this may be a point in goku's favour, but i saw him as a perfectionist similar to piccolo before, and it lets me down to see his fighting talents slip)

So it down to Ki blasts,the kamehameha or the spirit spirit bomb, which have one prety much every single major battle that goku (in Z & GT) has fought in, with few exceptions. A one trick pony. Fair enough, i'll give the blasts the credit it's due, but judging by the relative scales of these blasts in GT, charging them up alone should be enough to destroy earth,, but they were down scaled drastically, making them seem a lot less powerful than one should think.

i've put my opinions on the blasts on the 'Most powerful blast' thread, so you can read them there if you're really interested.

plus there's the fact that if you chop off his tail, he should in theory have a considerable drop in power (this is in SJJ 4 stage), or you could just get rid of the nameks, and the dragonballs would cease to be, which should again correspond with a large drop in power (maybe i'm wrong on this one, i'm not too sure).

So i believe that with some prior knowledge of Goku's abilites there are characters within the marvel/dc universes that could indeed defeat him.

but i'm not gonna go on about this, cause it's quite clear to see what everyone that still posts here thinks, and there isn't going to be anyway anyone is gonna be changing anyone else's mind anytime soon, so i won't even try.

:)

[MJB]

Okay, some of you people are crazy! I'm not a big fan of the show, other than seeing a few episodes on TV, but this is the deal.

Nobody! Absolutely nobody, can beat Goku. Not Silver Surfer, not Superman, not Thor, not Dr. Doom, not Hulk, not anyone. Nobody.

Goku is on an entirely differently level from these other superheroes. They're just no match, unless they are completely immortal. But even then they couldn't win. Goku can instantaneously transport from one place to another in a millisecond. He can destroy an entire planet with the power in one finger. He can take a beating that Superman would never hope to survive. Goku at Super Saiyan Level 4, or whatever it is, is unstoppable. He can be fought hard, and even injured, but he just keeps coming back.

Of the DBZ and DBGT episodes I've seen, the anime versions with the original japanese voices are by far better.


Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force can beat goku.

[Super_Child]

She would bring him near death but ultimatley Goku would become stronger than her and beat her, its what he does.

[Gohanssj]

This is easy to sum up, Goku would kick any comic character you throw at him, hulk, superman, ect all those guys wouldnt stand a chance..

Why? Well lets see any of those guys make the earth shake while they only at half their strength, just Goku powering up would blow them away from the power... :rolleyes:

Now I know most of you guys who doubt it are hardcore comic fans, but wake up and look at Goku's power for god sake, I mean, its like 10000 times stronger than superman or jean grey with phoenix would ever have, how many comic characters could blow a planet up with one move of their hand?

[MJB]

Hey i can agree that you'll be hard pressed to find someone in both Marvel and Dc that can beat goku, but come one, some one can take him down, and that someone is DOOM!!!!!! Lets not forget batman with prep time of course.LOL! Seriously though I think Dr Strange can give him a run as well as the Authority, but then goku would call the Z fighters. What about the xmen? They have great team work. Prof x, Jean grey and emma frost? we all know they would overwelm him mentally, and the rest of the xteam will take that to their advantage and take him down.

[Goldenage Batman]

I think Prof.X would stand the best chance against him, only because he could make him retarded with his mind.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I am sure it has already been said but Superman would kick his ass from here to next week.

[Goldenage Batman]

I am sure it has already been said but Superman would kick his ass from here to next week.
The patriot in me wants to say Superman, but the asian in me wants to say Goku, so I'm at a standstill.

[MJB]

I honestly do not understand how that particular anime became popular. I watched DB and DBZ and even a little DBZGT but it gets stale. If it weren't for the narrating voice before and after each episode I'd be lost between episodes. Most or all the of the ideas and names for the show are either ripped off or just silly. The sorcerers named Bibity Bobbity and their creature Boo is laughable. It's Bibity Bobity Boo for christ's sake! and the Bruce Lee "Game of Death" pagoda lookalike that the Z fighters fight through each level to get to Bu is an obvious ripoff. I've even seen son Goku beat up a Bruce Lee lookalike in DB I think. In DBZ I saw a Kareem abdhul jarbahl(I dont think I spelled his name correctly) lookalike getting his ass handed to him by one of the Z fighters. It's dumb because the conflict is always "Oh no! there's another bad guy who is more powerful than the last and our heroes will defeat him or her or it somehow." Aren't their ways of solving their problems without fighting or powering-up? that would be an story I'd like to see.

Dude i truly respect your opinion, but the whole point of DB is the fighting. That's why a lot of people love it. The whole point of DB is the training to get better and get to the next level, so naturally a new more powerful bad guy is always going to rear their ugly head, and besides at least we don't have to see the same villian used over and over. Sure some villians resurface, but the DB universe does it much better then say like Marvel or DC in way, caue the same villians aren't resurfacing constantly. i mean jeez how many times must batman deal with the Joker, or supes with Lex, or the xmen with magneto???? It's a repititious cycle. Now don't get me wrong i love mags, and I'm glad he's used a lot, but everytime the xmen get a cool new villian they are done away with for the popular ones to continue to make a apppearence. Cassandra Nove, and Bastion were good villians, but they had a short run. I know I'm probably losing you, but the xmen are more storylined oriented then DB ever was, but I'll be d@mn if DB doesn't have kick @ss battles that no animated American cartoon has ever touched! Nope not ever.

[presenttrunks]

Dude that pic has to go, no good. And I think Goku can lose to alot of characters on both DC and Marvel.

[ss4goku53]

Dude that pic has to go, no good. And I think Goku can lose to alot of characters on both DC and Marvel.

You have to say who and why you think someone will beat Goku. Let's hear it.

[presenttrunks]

Okay, well I think The Hulk can beat the **** out of Goku.

[ss4goku53]

the Hulk couldn't catch Goku...let alone beat him

[presenttrunks]

Yeah but okay, do you remember when Gohan turned ape? He was slow and caught Goku and almost crushed him. The Hulk is faster and will do the same.

[Dark Carnage]

Remeber that Goku was relatively weak back then?

[presenttrunks]

Thats true, plus he was not Super yet huh!

[Goldenage Batman]

I love newbies.:D

[Goldenage Batman]

Thats true, plus he was not Super yet huh!
That would be the only time when a marvel or dc character could stand up against goku.

[ss4goku53]

That would be the only time when a marvel or dc character could stand up against goku.

Now that i can agree on. Once he goes SSJ it's over for everyone, but in his normal form i think we could see some really good fights. Goku would still win though.

[Goldenage Batman]

Goku in normal form going up against Superman or Sliver Surfer would be good fights.

[Lobo]

They're are many characters in DC or Marvel that could beat Goku. Living Tribunal, Spectre, Eternity, Kismet, Galactus, Imperiex etc. Although I do think Superman vs Normal Goku would be a hell of a fight.

[j-man]

dbz characters would destroy marvel and dc. chou-sen would kill superman. marvel and dc doesn't stand a chance.

[hulkamania85]

the Hulk couldn't catch Goku...let alone beat him

The Hulk only needs one good punch, especially since all of Goku's running around would really piss Hulk off, making him more powerful.

Superman could take on Goku.

Galactus would squash him.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Green Lantern could take any of these guys, Superman could take any of these guys, hell Professor X could take any of these guys.

MARVEL and DC would squash DBZ

[MJB]

maybe the character leech (X-Men, one of the Morlocks) can cancel out Goku's abilities and win the fight that way. Sebastion Shaw might also give Goku a good fight since he can absorb any kinetic energy on impact and rechannel it into physical strength, speed, and stamina. Gladiator and Vandal Savage are also a good choices.

Leech can only cancel the powers of other mutants.

Gladiator: A good fight, but once goku kicks up to SS, then it's over.

Shaw:hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Now that's funny. Goku would crush Shaw faster then he would Superman or the Hulk. Come on, Shaw could not withstand Goku attacks. Sure Shaw would absorb some major power, but their's only so much he can take. Remember when Storm overloaded Shaw with a massive lightening attack. He passed out. Goku Ka-wave would vaporize shaw.

Vandal Savage????? i guess he'd probably use some sort of gizmo to take Goku out, if he could come up with such a device, or unless I'm mistaken, cause I don't remember Savage actually having superpowers except for his immortality. I can see Doom defeating Goku though as well as batman and reed richards if they had prep time of course.

[Goldenage Batman]

Batman and Reed Richards..........Do u Know much about Goku?

[ss4goku53]

I figured out that in GT where Goku isn't shown where his power should be.....when he lifted that part of the city back up just the earth alone in cubic feet(not counting buildings/people/cars/etc) is ~3,679,948,800,000lbs(1/4 cubic mile)....just an example of his strength.

[Goldenage Batman]

???:confused:....You like math don't you?

[presenttrunks]

Yeah, SS4 get to work!..:hellboy:

[ss4goku53]

not really but i figured i would get some kind of strength example up there

[Goldenage Batman]

Whatever....How have youguys been anyway?:)

[presenttrunks]

Pretty good SS2 How you been? Whatever....How have youguys been anyway?:)

[Goldenage Batman]

Fine......Did you guys catch Gt over the weekend? I didn't see it.

[ss4goku53]

doing good here too.....no...i have all GT on dvd so it's okay if i miss it on TV

[presenttrunks]

SS4 has all the DVD's already, dont have to catch it anymore.

[Goldenage Batman]

SS4goku would it be alright if I put you on my buddy list?

[ss4goku53]

sure thing

[Goldenage Batman]

Oh...I have most of Dbz on Vhs and DVD,some are taped.

[ss4goku53]

that's whta i don't have....DBZ...i just have GT and the movies that are out so far....

[Goldenage Batman]

There....The Deed is done.:P

[Goldenage Batman]

How comes noones talking?

[ss4goku53]

the strength of 17,000 men is nothing in the DBZ universe.....your guyver would fall just like the rest

[Goldenage Batman]

And he well beg for his life.(which Goku will ofcourse let him live)

[ss4goku53]

i did read it all...just pointing out that just by strength alone he would lose

[Goldenage Batman]

Dude......Not to make you mad or nothing but.....Goku would rip him a newone.

[presenttrunks]

Okay Goku will beat the crap out the Guyver anytime. I seen the movie and read some books he sucks major turd.

[Goldenage Batman]

PT you don't need to say stuff like that.....I'd like to see the fight between Goku and Guyver.

[presenttrunks]

True but the fight will last about one sec.PT you don't need to say stuff like that.....I'd like to see the fight between Goku and Guyver.

[ss4goku53]

still nothing......didn't you see the lbs lifted by goku in my earlier post........way more than 51,000 men could ever dream of lifting

[Goldenage Batman]

Greg the fact of the matter is that most of us don't know who Guyver is,so we don't know what he is capable of. The ball is in our hands you lose.

[presenttrunks]

No listen I know this Guyver hero, he is okay if Goku never existed. But the fact is he does and he rules over others including The Guyver.

[Goldenage Batman]

Well even if he dosen't stand achance Greg still has the right to say what he wants.

[Goldenage Batman]

I guess I'm a gonna have to educate ya
I like to learn.:cool:

[Goldenage Batman]

Se ya tommrow

[presenttrunks]

Okay handle

[ss4goku53]

isnt't that from the movie with mark hamel as a CIA agent....i saw it in the video store this weekend

[ss4goku53]

Looks like a bug

[presenttrunks]

Guyver is pathetic like it's fans.

[ss4goku53]

OH ****!!!!! cuz Goku be up in the club...he be post in the back...everybody get a Super Saiyan.....

[presenttrunks]

Hey, first off your in the DBZ Forum buddy, so I suggest you leave now.

[presenttrunks]

Lets see who likes what more, shall we vote? I vote for DBZ

[ss4goku53]

I vote DBZ.....and that Goku would whoop guyvers rear.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Didn't Goku hold up an entire building by pressing against it's window?? I remember watching that episode and thinking how ridiculous it was. I guess he must be super strong if he's able to hold up a building by it's window without breaking the glass...that's pure talent right there.

If you guys do a poll in a DBZ forum of course more people will vot DBZ...you bring this over to a Marvel or DC forum and of course more people will vote Marvel & DC. You should bring it into a nuetral forum and see how people vote.

[MJB]

Didn't Goku hold up an entire building by pressing against it's window?? I remember watching that episode and thinking how ridiculous it was. I guess he must be super strong if he's able to hold up a building by it's window without breaking the glass...that's pure talent right there.

If you guys do a poll in a DBZ forum of course more people will vot DBZ...you bring this over to a Marvel or DC forum and of course more people will vote Marvel & DC. You should bring it into a nuetral forum and see how people vote.


I'm a fan of DB, as well as Marvel and DC, and I'm ouite unbiased. Seeing what i've seen and knowing what i what i know about the three universe, i can make a fair judgement that Goku can beat all the heroes and villians. I'm not talking about god like beings like galactus, The Spectre, Living tribunal, or the celestials as examples, but regular superbeings likes Supes, Hulk, The xmen, spiderman, and Thor.

I do think that Dr Strange would be trouble for Goku. I also feel that Thanos, Reed Richards and Dr doom given time to come up with a plan could take goku out. Heck their are some in the DC universe given prep time could defeat Goku, but in an all out brawl and take out that equation of prep time, then Goku would crush Doom and Reed., heck he'd crush the entire F4 and doom together, and you could throw in She Hulk, Namor, Crystal, and Lyja .

[MJB]

Direct physical and energy opposition is not an option. I suggest that attacking Goku's mind may prove more successful.

Well since Goku has a telepathic powers, a strong will as well being an alien with different thought patterens it would take time for some one like Prof X to dominate Goku's mind, and time is the one thing that Prof x wouldn't have in battling goku, cause he would vaporize Charles.I know Goku has never used his powers the way that prof x does, cause all i've ever seen him do is use his telepathy to communicate and read Majin buu's mind once, but i'm willing to bet that he's strong enough to keep someone like prof x out temporarly. I'd also like to add that bobbiti uses mental powers to control people, but he couldn't control Goku or Vegeta, although he did control Vegeta, but that was because Vegeta let him take control of him.

Probably the combined efforts of Prof X, Jean Grey, and emma frost may spell trouble for Goku, but even then Goku is just to powerful, and would take them out with a physical attack. I just don't see them being able to dominate his mind quickly enough.

[Goldenage Batman]

Greg I like Guyver I think it looks cool....I think I've even seen the movie.....It's just that you put it in the wrong thread of "This guy can take this guy." because I'm my be the only one here who thinks Guyver looks cool. Because no one else here thinks Guyver can take on Goku.

[ss4goku53]

Preptime isn't enough either.....Dr. Gero's whole life was preptime to create something to beat Goku and still couldn't do it.....even in death he lost

[Goldenage Batman]

I think i'll start learning more about this guy.

[ss4goku53]

i don't see how you can connect with an alien battle suit any better than an human-like alien from another planet. Even with Goku's powers you can't tell him apart from a human, but with the guy in the suit you think he is an alien......i will stick with my alien Goku and you can have your guyver.

[presenttrunks]

Didn't Goku hold up an entire building by pressing against it's window?? I remember watching that episode and thinking how ridiculous it was. I guess he must be super strong if he's able to hold up a building by it's window without breaking the glass...that's pure talent right there.

If you guys do a poll in a DBZ forum of course more people will vot DBZ...you bring this over to a Marvel or DC forum and of course more people will vote Marvel & DC. You should bring it into a nuetral forum and see how people vote.Okay big stuff, why don't you get it started then, lets see who will really win. :hellboy:

[presenttrunks]

Didn't Goku hold up an entire building by pressing against it's window?? I remember watching that episode and thinking how ridiculous it was. I guess he must be super strong if he's able to hold up a building by it's window without breaking the glass...that's pure talent right there.

If you guys do a poll in a DBZ forum of course more people will vot DBZ...you bring this over to a Marvel or DC forum and of course more people will vote Marvel & DC. You should bring it into a nuetral forum and see how people vote.And as for Superman he should have stayed DEAD!..

[presenttrunks]

how are you going to attack me? I wonder
maybe the best way is to ignore me... but that's just a suggestion
First off seems like you know alot about Z, which makes me believe you actually watch the show more than you say you do.

[ss4goku53]

and if Goku's so powerful how come he needs the DragonBalls? can't do everything now can he?

first off he uses the dragonballs to wish back the innocent people that were killed by the villians......i don't think guyver can revive people.......

[ss4goku53]

only noobs go for the overrated garbage like DBZ. Watch it in Japanese and then tell me if you like it more(no english subtitles either noob!).

i have watched it in japanese and i like it that way too.....but i like the american version better for the voices. i like more anime than DBZ, it just so happens to be my favorite. I am no noob.

[presenttrunks]

Also, Lincoln Park used Z in one of the videos. I dont remember The Guyver ever appearing in anything except in your posts.

[ss4goku53]

and if Goku's so powerful how come he needs the DragonBalls? can't do everything now can he?

how many times have people died in your guyver show (bystanders).....

[presenttrunks]

how are you going to attack me? I wonder
maybe the best way is to ignore me... but that's just a suggestionGreg, looks like you did not get attacked, but more told the facts about your sorry Ass! hero.

[presenttrunks]

Looks like Greg is the one ignoring us SS4.

[ss4goku53]

and if Goku's so powerful how come he needs the DragonBalls? can't do everything now can he?

Goku doesn't need some suit to give powers to fight....he is constantly trainning and working to become more powerful.....He does it himself

[ss4goku53]

Guyver can revive himself

I said i don't think he can revive other people....not about his ability to revive himself cuz he just got blasted.....

[ss4goku53]

you haven't told us how your guyver would beat Goku......I gave a strength example earlier and showed you one reason why i think in just strength alone Goku would win.....lets hear your story

[ss4goku53]

ok...the truth is...I do like Db, DBZ, and DBZ: GT. I've recorded episodes and followed the series since 1992 like I've mentioned. Since it's become commercialized for the masses I kinda shy'd away from it(it's a fanboy thing). I have been a fan of the Guyver long before DB or DBZ. Ever since I watched the episodes with my cousin when I was in the sixth grade I was the only one at my elementry school who watched anime(violent anime) and so when ever I talked about it people would mistake it for Mcguyver. I started to enjoy being part of a small fanbase for an obscure anime and DB/DBZ was one of them. Tell me when you became a fan and I will retract the "noob" title. The character Goku would not fight with anyone in DC or Marvel or even with other anime characters such as the Guyver. He is a pacifist at heart and only wants peace... even if it means busting some skulls. If this is a friendly battle I think Goku would want it to be maintained as long as possible. I believe anyone would give Goku a good "friendly" fight but a bad "enemy" fight.

I became a fan of DBZ around 1993....and from there became a fan of Gundam Wing and G Gundam, and a few others. I just didn't turn it on the other day. I know he wouldn't fight anyone unless they were threatning the world in some way. He loves to fight so yes i think he would do some friendly sparing with some characters if they ever happened to meet.

[MJB]

The character Goku would not fight with anyone in DC or Marvel or even with other anime characters such as the Guyver. He is a pacifist at heart and only wants peace... even if it means busting some skulls. If this is a friendly battle I think Goku would want it to be maintained as long as possible. I believe anyone would give Goku a good "friendly" fight but a bad "enemy" fight.

I think he would fight Thanos or Darkseid from marvel and DC, but overall you're right. Goku wouldn't be looking to bust superman's head or any hero in either universe. He'd fight for training purposes as you said or to better his skills, but nope, he wouldn't put a hurting on Supes unless Supes was threatening in some manner, or some powerful entity like the Grandmaste i believe he's called threatened the reality or Earth of both heroes and they were forced to fight to save their world.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

And as for Superman he should have stayed DEAD!..

Yeah because no one would've missed the billions and billions of dollars that he generates from his popularity. If you want to talk about who makes more money then you'll sit back and see not only Goku but the entire DBZ universe get SQUASHED.

Isn't DBZ dead? it's nothing but old 80's crap being recycled to a new audience....who's been dead longer Superman or DBZ? Superman came back because people wouldn't allow him to stay dead. Too bad DBZ can't say the same thing.

[ss4goku53]

Yeah because no one would've missed the billions and billions of dollars that he generates from his popularity. If you want to talk about who makes more money then you'll sit back and see not only Goku but the entire DBZ universe get SQUASHED.

Isn't DBZ dead? it's nothing but old 80's crap being recycled to a new audience....who's been dead longer Superman or DBZ? Superman came back because people wouldn't allow him to stay dead. Too bad DBZ can't say the same thing.

DBZ is not dead....

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The original Dragonball Z: Budokai is known as the best DBZ game to date, and was the best-selling fighting game of 2003.

[presenttrunks]

Yeah because no one would've missed the billions and billions of dollars that he generates from his popularity. If you want to talk about who makes more money then you'll sit back and see not only Goku but the entire DBZ universe get SQUASHED.

Isn't DBZ dead? it's nothing but old 80's crap being recycled to a new audience....who's been dead longer Superman or DBZ? Superman came back because people wouldn't allow him to stay dead. Too bad DBZ can't say the same thing.
First off DragonBall Z continues to grow more popular. Adding to the info SS4 posted there have been twelve DBZ games released in the last 3 years or so and 2 more very soon. That wouldn't happen if it was dead. Second, Goku has never had his powers changed or died and came back with a mullet. All I'm saying is Superman has been changed and Goku is still himself as he always was....what is doing better...something that has to be changed to get it's people back or the one who has been true with it's fans. But I am still looking foreward to Bryan Singer directing the movie. But admit that you would like to see DragonBall Z as a live picture as well.

[presenttrunks]

ok...the truth is...I do like Db, DBZ, and DBZ: GT. I've recorded episodes and followed the series since 1992 like I've mentioned. Since it's become commercialized for the masses I kinda shy'd away from it(it's a fanboy thing). I have been a fan of the Guyver long before DB or DBZ. Ever since I watched the episodes with my cousin when I was in the sixth grade I was the only one at my elementry school who watched anime(violent anime) and so when ever I talked about it people would mistake it for Mcguyver. I started to enjoy being part of a small fanbase for an obscure anime and DB/DBZ was one of them. Tell me when you became a fan and I will retract the "noob" title. The character Goku would not fight with anyone in DC or Marvel or even with other anime characters such as the Guyver. He is a pacifist at heart and only wants peace... even if it means busting some skulls. If this is a friendly battle I think Goku would want it to be maintained as long as possible. I believe anyone would give Goku a good "friendly" fight but a bad "enemy" fight.See, Greg I knew you had some smarts in you. Now change your screename to Krillin.

[Goldenage Batman]

Yeah because no one would've missed the billions and billions of dollars that he generates from his popularity. If you want to talk about who makes more money then you'll sit back and see not only Goku but the entire DBZ universe get SQUASHED.

Isn't DBZ dead? it's nothing but old 80's crap being recycled to a new audience....who's been dead longer Superman or DBZ? Superman came back because people wouldn't allow him to stay dead. Too bad DBZ can't say the same thing.
OMG....You so didn't say that while I was gone...."80's crap" huh? I'm not even....no I'm done...It's not worth it.

[ss4goku53]

OMG....You so didn't say that while I was gone...."80's crap" huh? I'm not even....no I'm done...It's not worth it.

I figured you would like that.....please respond if you would like....

[War Lord]

Its me Krpton, I had to create another user beceuase something was wrong with the other one. Damn I have to start my post counts again, oh well.

Perhaps you'll learn to not abuse other posters.

[War Lord]

So do you guys still think Kid Buu is the strongest after reading everything on the previous page[I]s[I], even though you guy got prooved wrong.:up:

I've never believed that Buu was necessarily the strongest Buu, just the most dangerous.

The first Buu, didn't realize killing was wrong. He thought it was simply fun.

Super Buu enjoyed killing, but he still had some restraint.

Kid Buu was nihilism personified. He killed for the sake of killing, for no reason.

[Goldenage Batman]

I figured you would like that.....please respond if you would like....
Like I said......crap like that's not even worth trash talking back.....:cool:

[ss4goku53]

you can respond without talkin trash

[Goldenage Batman]

I know...but that kind of crap I'll have to talk trash.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

You guys crack me up.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

DBZ is not dead....

Banda Japan announced today that international sales of the Dragonball Z Budokai PS2 game outside of Japan, have exceeded 1.9 million copies in 20 different counrties

Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 2 follows on the heels of its successful predecessor, which has sold more than 1.1 million units in North America alone. As of June 2003, the partnership between Atari and FUNimation has resulted in Dragon Ball Z video game sales totaling over 3 million units and $110 million in the U.S. (Data according to the NPD Group, Inc.). The Dragon Ball brand has generated over $3 billion in worldwide licensed merchandise - a number that few animated series can compete with. It is among the top-rated series on Cartoon Network and was the number-one rated show among all U.S. cable TV programs for 'tweens 9-14, boys 9-14 and men 12-24 during 2002 season's launch line-up. For the second consecutive year, "Dragon Ball" was the most searched-for term on the Internet according to Lycos.

Focusing on quality entertainment properties such as Dragon Ball Z®, FUNimation Productions, Ltd. is a full-series brand management company with in-house production, licensing, Internet, home video distribution and toy divisions. With over 15 million videos sold and over 8.5 million hits per day on its web site, www.dragonballz.com, Dragon Ball Z® is a top rated series on Cartoon Network and was the most searched for topic on the Internet for 2002 (also #1 in 2001), becoming “the first topic to ever repeat atop the Web’s Most Wanted,” according to the Lycos 50 Daily Report.

The original Dragonball Z: Budokai is known as the best DBZ game to date, and was the best-selling fighting game of 2003.

SS4 come now....as much as you like DBZ even YOU can't debate the fact that it never has, and never will be in the same league as DC or Marvel characters. When we went to the SDCC you saw that they were practically giving away DBZ stuff....how much stuff did you get, and how much did it cost? you think they did that because they wanted fans to have their crap? NO, the guy probably was desperate to get rid of all the DBZ crap he had laying around that he couldn't push anywhere else.....fortunately for you, you made out.

DBZ is dead in the sense that it is an old show being recycled...there are new episodes, if you've seen them all then it's pretty much over for you. I can't dispute the fact that DBZ is immensly popular but if you even think that it's anywhere near the popularity of ANYTHING Marvel or DC then you're insane. Like most Japanese imports DBZ will start off with a boom, fizzle out, become huge again and then die out like the rest of them (Pokemon anyone?).

If I went up to Joe Blo and said "Clark Kent" he'd know immediately who I was talking about. However if I went up and said "Vegetta", he'd probably think I just sneezed....one of the 2 is EASILY more recognizable. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man....etc are part of American pop culture, and thus apart of history. Characters like Goku, Trunks, Vegetta...etc will NEVER gain the level of recognition as characters from Marvel or DC.

As far as the record DBZ holds with it's video game...I think it'd be safe to say that Halo 2 squashed that by selling $100 million units in ONE DAY.

Yes Superman did die, and yes he did come back with a mullet but how does that change his character? he was still the same Superman, he was just sporting longer hair. DC did make the mistake of trying to change Superman and his powers, but shortly after they did fans demanded that the REAL Superman return....and he did, and since then his popularity has soared. Unlike DBZ character Superman, Spider-Man, Batman...etc are CURRENT things. Each of them is either featured in their own show, movie(s), games, comics are all of the above....what current thing does DBZ have besides a game?

If you want to talk about ridiculous hairstyles then look no further than your hero Goku....it looks to me like he was playing too close to the light socket. I also wouldn't knock Superman's do because at least he's not sporting pink fur and a tail.

The DBZ movie will never get made, A) Because the demand for it in the US isn't that high, and (B) Because for the amount of money it would cost to do a live action movie it would be like flushing your money down the toliet since the movie would tank. And if it does ever get a US theatrical release....it'll be the biggest pile of crap movie since the last JLO film. Goldberg and Vin Diesel?? oooh sign me up for that one! I don't even like DBZ and that type of stuff would piss me off. You can debate it all you want but DBZ isn't even in the same league as Marvel or DC as far as character popularity is concerned.

Face it boys & girls characters like Superman and Batman are timeless....DBZ is dated, and will fade out just like the rest of the imports that come along.

[WeaponZ2]

^Thats all true^

But I dont really care.

[ss4goku53]

SS4 come now....as much as you like DBZ even YOU can't debate the fact that it never has, and never will be in the same league as DC or Marvel characters. When we went to the SDCC you saw that they were practically giving away DBZ stuff....how much stuff did you get, and how much did it cost? you think they did that because they wanted fans to have their crap? NO, the guy probably was desperate to get rid of all the DBZ crap he had laying around that he couldn't push anywhere else.....fortunately for you, you made out.

DBZ is dead in the sense that it is an old show being recycled...there are new episodes, if you've seen them all then it's pretty much over for you. I can't dispute the fact that DBZ is immensly popular but if you even think that it's anywhere near the popularity of ANYTHING Marvel or DC then you're insane. Like most Japanese imports DBZ will start off with a boom, fizzle out, become huge again and then die out like the rest of them (Pokemon anyone?).

If I went up to Joe Blo and said "Clark Kent" he'd know immediately who I was talking about. However if I went up and said "Vegetta", he'd probably think I just sneezed....one of the 2 is EASILY more recognizable. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man....etc are part of American pop culture, and thus apart of history. Characters like Goku, Trunks, Vegetta...etc will NEVER gain the level of recognition as characters from Marvel or DC.

As far as the record DBZ holds with it's video game...I think it'd be safe to say that Halo 2 squashed that by selling $100 million units in ONE DAY.

Yes Superman did die, and yes he did come back with a mullet but how does that change his character? he was still the same Superman, he was just sporting longer hair. DC did make the mistake of trying to change Superman and his powers, but shortly after they did fans demanded that the REAL Superman return....and he did, and since then his popularity has soared. Unlike DBZ character Superman, Spider-Man, Batman...etc are CURRENT things. Each of them is either featured in their own show, movie(s), games, comics are all of the above....what current thing does DBZ have besides a game?

If you want to talk about ridiculous hairstyles then look no further than your hero Goku....it looks to me like he was playing too close to the light socket. I also wouldn't knock Superman's do because at least he's not sporting pink fur and a tail.

The DBZ movie will never get made, A) Because the demand for it in the US isn't that high, and (B) Because for the amount of money it would cost to do a live action movie it would be like flushing your money down the toliet since the movie would tank. And if it does ever get a US theatrical release....it'll be the biggest pile of crap movie since the last JLO film. Goldberg and Vin Diesel?? oooh sign me up for that one! I don't even like DBZ and that type of stuff would piss me off. You can debate it all you want but DBZ isn't even in the same league as Marvel or DC as far as character popularity is concerned.

Face it boys & girls characters like Superman and Batman are timeless....DBZ is dated, and will fade out just like the rest of the imports that come along.

1) I am not arguing that it was or will be in the same league. 2) It was here before Pokemon and is still here after. 3) I wasn't stating DBZ broke any or has and records with the video games....just providing facts that it's not dead. 4) Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation owns DragonballZ-Movie.com so there has to be a big enough fan interest for them to do that.

It will never become as big here in the USA just like Marvel/DC won't be as big as anime in Japan.....but it's still growing

[War Lord]

1) I am not arguing that it was or will be in the same league. 2) It was here before Pokemon and is still here after. 3) I wasn't stating DBZ broke any or has and records with the video games....just providing facts that it's not dead. 4) Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation owns DragonballZ-Movie.com so there has to be a big enough fan interest for them to do that.

It will never become as big here in the USA just like Marvel/DC won't be as big as anime in Japan.....but it's still growing

I wouldn't take Fox owning the rights to DBZ as evidence of popularity, that's just standard corporation tactics of preventing other movie studios from producing it. It does not mean that they actually have plans for it.

[ss4goku53]

I wouldn't take Fox owning the rights to DBZ as evidence of popularity, that's just standard corporation tactics of preventing other movie studios from producing it. It does not mean that they actually have plans for it.

there has to be some kind of interest in the idea with fans or why do it.....makes no sense to get domain names in something that do not have an fan interest......they have a writer too so there has to be some kind of a plan

[War Lord]

there has to be some kind of interest in the idea with fans or why do it.....makes no sense to get domain names in something that do not have an fan interest......they have a writer too so there has to be some kind of a plan

I'm just saying that this is standard stuff. No studio can afford to ignore a project that might make them millions. It is in the best interest for studios to buy up the rights to projects, if only to prevent other studios from making those projects. Until Fox announces that they will make the film and announces a filming schedule, I wouldn't read too much into anything about Fox and DBZ yet.

[ss4goku53]

nevermind

[War Lord]

nevermind

I'm sorry if I punctured the balloon of your dreams.

http://www.nhusd.k12.ca.us/alve/wow/AnimationSeries/size/balloon.GIF

[War Lord]

Darn it, I've tried everything to get this balloon picture up and I couldn't do it.

Yah, I've figured it out.

[ss4goku53]

you didn't do anything to my balloon....it's still full and floating.....

[0neDisturbedSOB]

SS4 you have no idea how the film industry works do you? You and I have had this discussion NUMEROUS times...

Just because a company owns the rights to a film does NOT mean it will get made. New Line Cinema has owned the rights to a film based on "Venom"....do you see that happening anytime soon? NO.

FOX bought the rights to DBZ as a way to POTENTIALLY make money off of something. The heads at FOX aren't going to make a DBZ film because there isn't enough of a demand to make it...argue it all you want, but it's not going to happen. They're not going to make a movie for $100,000,000+ and then watch it only gross $50,000,000....does that make sense to you?

Just because they have a writer doesn't mean it's going to get made either....tell me, what's this writer's name, and what other movies has he done?

As far as Marvel and DC not being as popular overseas....you've got to be kidding me, have you ever checked the international gross that some of these characters make?? Foreign people (especially Japanese) LOVE American pop culture items. Hell the Japanese make a killing of of manufacturing tons of toys based on Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman and selling them to their own people.

Come on man you need to read up on this stuff....There IS a demand for DBZ stuff, it's just not that high.

[ss4goku53]

I didn't say it would or wouldn't be made......just showed reasons why i think it may be made....

"""Gianopulos told THR, "Acquiring DragonBall is a major coup for the studio. It's a really great property because it has all the elements that have made great franchises powerful and endearing. It has a long-standing mythology – in this case 15 years – and it's been known by a generation of kids, teens and young adults. There are dozens of characters, fantasy environments and bizarre planets and villains. It's an amazing and creative property, rich in great characters and unique worlds, and we are thrilled to be involved with it."

There's no doubt about the potential popularity of the franchise. DragonBall Z is the highest rated show on the Cartoon Network, and according to search engine reports, "DragonBall" is consistently one of the most often searched for words on the Internet. DB is huge and Fox hopes to make it even more so. Gianopulos confirms they've got "big plans" for the franchise............."""

wait...that's interesting there about cartoon network......and it's episodes aren't new either......especially since superman and his pals are on the same channel....guess DBZ is higher sometimes

[Lobo]

Fox hired Ben ramsey (The Big Hit) to write the DBZ movie. He also wote an adaptation of Static. To see whatever else ramsey did just type his name in at www.imdb.com

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I didn't say it would or wouldn't be made......just showed reasons why i think it may be made....

"""Gianopulos told THR, "Acquiring DragonBall is a major coup for the studio. It's a really great property because it has all the elements that have made great franchises powerful and endearing. It has a long-standing mythology – in this case 15 years – and it's been known by a generation of kids, teens and young adults. There are dozens of characters, fantasy environments and bizarre planets and villains. It's an amazing and creative property, rich in great characters and unique worlds, and we are thrilled to be involved with it."

There's no doubt about the potential popularity of the franchise. DragonBall Z is the highest rated show on the Cartoon Network, and according to search engine reports, "DragonBall" is consistently one of the most often searched for words on the Internet. DB is huge and Fox hopes to make it even more so. Gianopulos confirms they've got "big plans" for the franchise............."""

wait...that's interesting there about cartoon network......and it's episodes aren't new either......especially since superman and his pals are on the same channel....guess DBZ is higher sometimes

Show me a CURRENT ratings report that says DBZ is CN's highest rated show....and make sure it doesn't say "HIGHEST RATED SHOW IN IT'S TIME SLOT"

Yeah I can see how popular DBZ is...what with them making new episodes of the show, and getting that movie on the fast track....wait that's not happening, oops! they're still recycling the same old crap from the 80's and feeding it to a new audience....there's that "high demand" at work for you.

How many times have you seen "DBZ movie on the fast track" only to see it get shelved for another few years. If they were going to make it now would be the time....the popularity is only going to fizzle as the years pass.

Superman's has had 4 movies....soon to be 5, Batman is the same, Spider-Man has had 2....

How many theatrical releases has DBZ had?

If DBZ was in such high demand then why isn't the game a top seller?

SS4 you and I both know that movie's not going to get made in the next 5 years. FOX's rights to the license will run out, or they'll sell it to someone else and this whole thing will start over again.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Fox hired Ben ramsey (The Big Hit) to write the DBZ movie. He also wote an adaptation of Static. To see whatever else ramsey did just type his name in at www.imdb.com

So the guy has written bad movies and movies that never got made? WOW that's surely the guy for the job. At least their keeping consistent, Static never made it and niether will this, but wait here's the latest on the film...

"After the rumours circulating the internet about Dragon Ball Z's movie revival, it seems that the 20th Century Fox's live-action movie is now scheduled to 2007. 'We're trying not to rush the production, so we expect the movie to come out in 2007. First we'll shoot in our studios here and then we travel to Mexico.' Fox's VP of production, Peter Kang, told CT. DBZ fans will have to wait more 3 years for the much-anticipated film. The revival has started a few months ago, and the only thing known is that Ben Ramsey (The Big Hit) is doing a Saiyan Saga script after Luke Cage's pre-production is over. As for the title Peter Kang assured that because of being a multi-picture franchise, the movie will have a second title like Saiyan Invasions or Unlimited. The cast and director have not yet been chosen but there are official conversations with Bill Goldberg (Universal Soldier: The Return, Looney Tunes: Back in Action), Tom Welling (Smallville, Cheaper by the Dozen) and Ray Park (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace, X-Men). Kang revealed that the casting process hasn't started yet but assured both actors and director will be 'known faces with good acting abilities, perfect for the roles and physically similar to the characters.' CT knows that with the ending of Star Wars in 2005, Fox plans to introduce the Dragon Ball franchise with a minimum of five 4-hour-movies."


hahahaha yeah that seems real likely to happen....Tom Welling, Ray Park and Bill Goldberg?? as much as I love Tom Welling (and think he should be Superman) it's not likely we'll see him in anything DBZ related.

But then again, hell could freeze over...

[Super Kal]

Honestly I think Doomsday would be a perfect match for Goku. Since Doomsday comes back to life impervious to the way he was killed before, Goku would have a field day training.

[Super Kal]

true, but remember Amazo reconstrusted the DNA of every person he saw and doing that to Goku would seriousely endanger him, not to mention that he went with (... aw crap I forgot his name) to become a good guy

[MJB]

what about Amazo. When he came back in Justice League Unlimited he was unstoppable.

Nothing is truly unstoppable. Also Cell is quite simialr to amazo if i'm correct and he was stopped. Wanda/Scarlett witch could stop Amazo. Her power can't be duplicated, because of it's nature.

[MJB]

true, but remember Amazo reconstrusted the DNA of every person he saw and doing that to Goku would seriousely endanger him, not to mention that he went with (... aw crap I forgot his name) to become a good guy


Why would him duplicating Goku's DNA be a danger to him? Amazo went with Dr Fate.

[Super Kal]

Why would him duplicating Goku's DNA be a danger to him? Amazo went with Dr Fate.I guess i was just thinking comic wise. I guess Amazo would be ok

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Dr. Fate could give Goku a run for his money....as could Amazo

[TEDDY]

I know he's neither Marvel nor DC, but Sponge Bob could handle Goku, no prob.:D

[ss4goku53]

say whatever you want about my thoughts on things, but as i was saying earlier about having some kind of interest in a movie before buying domain names and the rights is true......yes i went and asked and found out sometimes they do just buy domain names just because, but way more times than not they will only go buying those domains, especially spending that kind of money on the rights to a movie, when there is some serious interest in it........doesn't mean it will happen.....just means there is serious interest like i was saying before......

[kidtrunks69]

I think racket racer would give goku a good fight.......Why are you all laughing at me?:(

[0neDisturbedSOB]

say whatever you want about my thoughts on things, but as i was saying earlier about having some kind of interest in a movie before buying domain names and the rights is true......yes i went and asked and found out sometimes they do just buy domain names just because, but way more times than not they will only go buying those domains, especially spending that kind of money on the rights to a movie, when there is some serious interest in it........doesn't mean it will happen.....just means there is serious interest like i was saying before......

Until you see an official word from FOX saying "we are making this movie right now" or see some sort of casting announcement I wouldn't really say "it's being made". People announce movies YEARS before they are ever really made, and sometimes they are never made. How many years was AVP talked about before it ever really got made?

There IS an interest in DBZ, I never said there wasn't.....just not enough for them to go on some huge mass marketing campaign. Why do you think we haven't seen a new show? He-Man was popular in the 80's and was brought back a few years ago because there was a growing interest....since it has fizzled out, but why do you think so many 80's properties have made a return? He-Man, TMNT, Transformers all made returns so why no DBZ?

[ss4goku53]

the remote joke wasn't funny when you first said it and it doesn't make it any better with pictures.....

[The Last Meatbag]

Two Words




ALFRED PENNYWORTH
dear god that would be cool..................

[presenttrunks]

Dookie, your stupid!

[Odin's Lapdog]

Dookie, you're stupid!
a little note.

when insulting other people's intelligence, please don't leave yourself wide open for a bombardment of insults, by having poor punctuation.

;)

[ss4goku53]

hahahahah......point to Odin

[presenttrunks]

My bad! But DBZ still rules. a little note.

when insulting other people's intelligence, please don't leave yourself wide open for a bombardment of insults, by having poor punctuation.

;)

[ss4goku53]

My bad! But DBZ still rules.

you are correct in this statement

[Goldenage Batman]

I second that statement....DBZ Rules

[ss4goku53]

now i introduce a new fight....Buu vs superman.....you can't kill Buu by punching him....he just pops back into form......thoughts?

[ss4goku53]

wait....i am gonna make a new thread and post it there...hold on

[The Last Meatbag]

heat vision
and presenttrunks that thing I wrote.......... Thats called sarcasm.... just wanted to let you know

[ss4goku53]

Quote:
Originally Posted by krisboyuk
DBZ is ridiculous in power level. Goku could destroy the entire universe with one pinkie. There is no one that could live with him in the DCU.



I'll take that as a Goku wins.....

[ss4goku53]

Originally Posted by Spike_x1
Dammit! You're everywhere I post!

DBZ is the embodiment of the reason why DC had the Crisis! They're too damn powerful!



very nicely put......

[chichidark]

Who the heck started this? What a terrible question! There is no way anyone from DC or Marvel could ever give Goku a good fight. They'd all be obliterated and their ashes scattered to the wind(DBZ fans should have gotten that). And by the way: DBZ COMPLETELY, UTTERLY, AND TOTALLY RULES!!!!!!!:p

[Goldenage Batman]

I like this kid....

[Guyverjay]

All people on this board should watch Naruto:o

Its the anime of a DB fanboy

[Lobo]

Spectre or the Living Tribunal would wipe there ass with Goku

*edit*

I really got to watch Naruto, like 15 people have already told me that it's a must see. I'll get to it soon...hopefully

[Guyverjay]

Meh Spectre sucks:o

Can't argue with LT, though technically he wouldn't een bother to fight:p

[Goldenage Batman]

All people on this board should watch Naruto:o

Its the anime of a DB fanboy

Naruto+DBZ=Badass....:up:....

[Lobo]

Read Ostrander's Spectre :mad:. He kicks ass :up:

[WILLIE1]

Hmmmgh!!!... Sounds interesting!!!... I'll check it out and see!!!

Let me know what you guys think!!!!

Later dudes, Take care!

Willie

[dragoncold]

hello cold here there is one man or should i say God who is the strongest in the glaxy he is from beyond and be hould he is the Beyonder his power has know limits so there is nothing he can't not do.I don't know if u guys know about him but he comes out in the secret wars part 1,2,3 and so on well
let me just tell u just how strong he is for starters when he came out in secret wars he made his own planet something like earth
and he some how transported all of the Marvel super heros there and some of the bad guy's aslo so they could fight each othere . But know one knew who or what he was just that his power was amazing but in one of the comic books of the beyonder it explains who and how he was created if im right he was part of some cosmic cube which is some star or some kinda of energy .Well all the energy some how divide it self well not even half more like one third and that one third became just like anothere glaxy i know it sounds crazy but thats how much power the cosmic cube has and thats because he was not even all of the cube just a small part so if u put togthere
everything i just said he is amazing .

[dragoncold]

for more information on the Beyonder write me or e-mail me junior55flores@yahoo.com

[REd EyEz]

i remember that spiderman episode...that was awesome...but didnt dr doom take the beyonder's powers or something?

[dragoncold]

hi dragoncold here yes he does but only because the Beyonder want to c wath would he do with all the power he had uc he only let Dr. Doom think he was in controll when really all he want to do was test what spider-man and his team would do to stop him.
so if u think why did he do that in the first place was because he knew nothing cant contain him so he let himself be contained by him.

[dragoncold]

for any more information write me at junior55flores@yahoo.com

[Lobo]

Or they could just send you a PM

[REd EyEz]

ya but as i recall, beyonder was then exhausted and he wasnt able to control doom after had spiderman and the allies defeated him...what wouldve happened if the good guys lost? and doesnt this show that the good guys could take on the beyonder if they wanted to?

[Odin's Lapdog]

it was all and elaborate ploy for the sake of Odin...

it was set up, the whole thing was fake, beyonder was in complete control of the situation the whole time. Doom hadn't really taken his powers, but the beyonder just wanted him to think that...

as for the good guys defeating doom, all they did was return the beyonder's apparently stolen powers back to him, they didn't defeat doom, nor could they take the beyonder.

[REd EyEz]

oh i c...its been a while since ive seen that show

and i never caught what happened after madame web says "lets go find the real mary jane"

can anyone fill me in on what happens cuz im pretty sure the series was coming to an end at this point

[Relentless_Bat]

the simple answer is NOBODY... no one from marvel, DC, or any other comic book medium could even touch Goku, helll id like to see anyone from the comics universe even ATTEMPT to do Gokus TRAINING, theyd last two seconds, Frieza would be more than a match for anyone in comicbooks.

[REd EyEz]

there are enough characters that would give goku a good fight
silver surfer, galactus etc.

goku would come out on top but im just saying

[Relentless_Bat]

i dunno red eyes... i seriously dout it, they couldnt keep up with gokus speed much less deal with his raw power, by the way, whatever ya got to turn red eyed, hook me up, ima lil low on funds over here...lol...

[REd EyEz]

i dunno red eyes... i seriously dout it, they couldnt keep up with gokus speed much less deal with his raw power, by the way, whatever ya got to turn red eyed, hook me up, ima lil low on funds over here...lol...

well i dont know how fast goku is but silver surfer travels atleast at light speed and his cosmic powers are pretty impressive...

and u would have to live in the area for me to hook u up bud lol

[Relentless_Bat]

gokus got a lil thing called instant transmission, way faster than silver surfer cuz its faster than light.... 2 bad... gues i gotta go round the corner... be rite back peeps....

[REd EyEz]

oh ya lol u gotta point there

[Relentless_Bat]

personally, i think tein could whoop most in the marvel/dc universe, did you see him take it to Cell stage 2??? that was some warrior ***** rite there

[REd EyEz]

well all he really did was stall for time...if he tried to actually fight he wouldve got raped...i personally hate seeing the human characters in the show...they are usually totally useless...krillin for example ...sure destructo disk is cool but he was drawn in such a manner just to be a joke not to be taken seriously

[Relentless_Bat]

yea tru, but its always nice to see them step up and DO something, at least it shows that Krillin and Tien have BALLS, unlike Yamcha, Chaoutzu and Yajirobe, usless terds... but you gotta remember this too: every "support" character was, at one point or another, enemies with Goku and as strong or stronger than him until he surpassed the whole lot of em

[Relentless_Bat]

plus, i love the Tri Beam attack, thats crazy stuff rite there

[REd EyEz]

oh man dont remind of chao tsiu....if i ever saw that guy id kick him like a football....useless china doll

[dragoncold]

hello cold here i have to say your wrong on that one Relentless because when tein was fighting Cell it was not even a hand and hand combat all he was doing was houlding Cell or should i say knocking Cell back with his energy blast which i think was not even doing any damage just stalling what was going to happen to 18 .So if you aske me if i think tein can whoop Mavel and Dc or most of them i'd say i don't think he can even beat Iron Man but maybe some like cat women or batgirl even supergirl ,well not supergirl but then again she is a so if he can't beat her then he's not that much of a bad ass u where thinking he was.:hyper:

[Relentless_Bat]

hahaha, him and yajirobe are the only characters that are USELESS the entire length of all three shows...how sad... but in Yajirobes credit, at least he stepped up and chopped Vegetas tail off

[dragoncold]

for more information on the Beyonder write me at junior55flores@yahoo.com

[REd EyEz]

ya i got nothing against yaijarobe for that

[Relentless_Bat]

even master roshis TURTLE was more useful then chaoutzu, he is just tiens lil bumbuddy

[REd EyEz]

hahaha ya thats basically why they kept drawing him...tien needed someone to hold on those cold lonely nites

[Relentless_Bat]

LOL...hahahaha... yea, a real companion someone to hole his had thru the lonely mountains

[Lordgoku13]

Superman, Thor, Silver surfer, galactacus, phoenix, Hyperion,and possibly loki, but non of them would kill goku because he is too powerful. and nobody start with the "go back in time with time warping powers and kill him when he was weaker" theory as that is called cheating folks.

[ss4goku53]

Tien is no *** either....where do you people come from.....can we talk about real stuff about the show and not start off on these off the wall comments...........

[Lobo]

Goku would probably make fights last longer simply for his love of fighting even if he could beat them easily.

[Super Kal]

wouldn't one of the more powerful characters be able to give Goku a fair fight, maybe the Spectre, or Dr. Fate?

[Lobo]

Dr Fate would be interesting, I don't think Goku has ever battled anyone with that amount a magical power. Spectre when written properly is nearly unstoppable as he is the Wrath of God. I think Spectre would take Goku. Also it's been stated that the only way to destroy the Spectre is with the Spear of Destiny.

[WILLIE1]

ABSOLUTE BALLS!... Goku is too strong, too fast and too smart at fighting to be beaten by such mere peasants in power!!!

[super saiyan x]

Goku will percisley own superman for the fact that doomsday killed him in a fistfight...try that for pre-crisis....and Goku is much more determine than him.

[super saiyan x]

While Superman is God in DC, this battle is all about desire. Superman is a hero, he doesn't fight 'good guys'. And Goku isn't exactly a villain. So while Superman will insist that there's no reason to fight, Goku likes fighting, the stronger the better, and he won't have any problems beating Supes black and blue.


Superman does have the advantage of being infalliable and NEVER losing, Goku's not so lucky, he got a sound thrashing from Vegeta the first time they went head to head, and got his ass handed to him by Cell. But Goku does fight stronger villians. Has Superman ever faced guys like Freiza or Brolli? No! He faces idiots like Darkseid, who use complicated plans and stupid henchmen to try take over Earth. If his Omega Beams are so damn powerful, why doesn't he just kill Superman and be done with it? Darkseid wouldn't last two seconds against someone like Goku. And Superman would be murdered by a guy like Brolli.


Superman has a clear advatnage when it comes to strength however, but it won't be much of a factor once goku goes super saiyan. Superman can lift mountians, and bounce bullets off his chest, but Goku knows how to fight...believe me when i say this, Goku could obviously produce earth shattering punches. He's been doing it since he was a kid. Superman's offense consists entirly of punching really hard and using heat vision. Goku's arsenal is almost unlimited, and he packs a combitnation of speed and strength, that Superman has never encountered before. And as a bonus he has no stupid weakness, like kryptonite, to exploit.


But in the end the man of steel's downfall will be his humongous ego. For all his vaunted speed has Superman ever dodged a blow? Blocked anything? NO! He just stands around while his weak ass foes attacks just bounce off him. He'll just stand there confident that his super powers will let him win like always, while Goku smacks him around like Supes has never been smacked before. I'd like to see him try and bounce a Kame Hame Ha off his chest. Idiot.


Unless Superman has some new power that will tell him Goku will be his best friend if offered food(and given his scope of powers it's quite possible), Superman doesn't stand a chance.

[SonIke]

The Flash might be faster
Infinity gauntlet Thanos would be tricky actually any cosmic being from marvel might be.
I don't see why everyone gets so hung up on superman it would be an interesting fight no doubt but supes ain't the top dog in dcu.
A better question would be if any fictional character is more powerful than db/z/gt characters?

[super saiyan x]

The Flash might be faster
Infinity gauntlet Thanos would be tricky actually any cosmic being from marvel might be.
I don't see why everyone gets so hung up on superman it would be an interesting fight no doubt but supes ain't the top dog in dcu.
A better question would be if any fictional character is more powerful than db/z/gt characters?


Not really lol.

[super saiyan x]

Goku has probably blown up half the planets in the universe. Goku's power is just ridifrigginiculous. Whoever makes that show is on some sort of drug that will kill them if they don't stop fast. Plus, often times in DBZ when they fight the latest Supreme Threat To All Reality they will get smacked around until they can barely stand. They get up and get smacked around some more. THIS HAPPENS AN AVERAGE OF NINE TIMES A FIGHT! Then somehow, they defeat the villian. It is now obvious that they cannot die...There's really no comic book hero that can take on Goku or those insanely powerful villians.

[Rowen]

i actually thought of someone who i think goku cannot beat or hurt, or kill. apocolypse. you know from the x-men series. this guy is immortal, has an impenetral armor that cannot be scracthed. he is a souless being with no emotion but destruciton on his mind, brute strenth, force, & mystical powers that can kill the cosmos in a heart beat. i don't care how many kamhama's goku does, or all his transformations he goes throuhh. goku wouln't land a scratch on apocolyse. not even brolly. thier is no way to kill apocolypse & apocolypse cannot die, but goku can die. even brolly the legendary super sayin wouldn't be able do a thing to apocolypse.

[super saiyan x]

i actually thought of someone who i think goku cannot beat or hurt, or kill. apocolypse. you know from the x-men series. this guy is immortal, has an impenetral armor that cannot be scracthed. he is a souless being with no emotion but destruciton on his mind, brute strenth, force, & mystical powers that can kill the cosmos in a heart beat. i don't care how many kamhama's goku does, or all his transformations he goes throuhh. goku wouln't land a scratch on apocolyse. not even brolly. thier is no way to kill apocolypse & apocolypse cannot die, but goku can die. even brolly the legendary super sayin wouldn't be able do a thing to apocolypse.


Goku always finds a way even if he has to train in the supernatural world. Remember that saiyans get naturally stronger with almost every fight.

[Rowen]

yes i know goku does get stronger each time he fights, but you didn't qite hear what i said abput apacolyspe. this demon is IMMORTAL. witch means you can never die. hi armor is IMPENETRAL witch means that he cannot be hurt by anything. goku can get as strong as god & he still wouldn't be able to stop him. you make it seem like goku is the supreme warrior. i can make a big list of characters who can defifenetly kill goku. one of goku's weakness is he takes to much time used to transforme to all the super sayian's. it takes him at leats acuople of minutes to trnasform. with in that mucht time it takes to transform a bad guy could unleash awhole lot of devestating killer blows that could kill goku. & from that GT series goku & vegat where having a tough time beating omega shenron who is not that powerful. he seized the oppertunity whenver they where transforming he blasted in & kicked thier hides all over the place.

[super saiyan x]

yes i know goku does get stronger each time he fights, but you didn't qite hear what i said abput apacolyspe. this demon is IMMORTAL. witch means you can never die. hi armor is IMPENETRAL witch means that he cannot be hurt by anything. goku can get as strong as god & he still wouldn't be able to stop him. you make it seem like goku is the supreme warrior. i can make a big list of characters who can defifenetly kill goku. one of goku's weakness is he takes to much time used to transforme to all the super sayian's. it takes him at leats acuople of minutes to trnasform. with in that mucht time it takes to transform a bad guy could unleash awhole lot of devestating killer blows that could kill goku. & from that GT series goku & vegat where having a tough time beating omega shenron who is not that powerful. he seized the oppertunity whenver they where transforming he blasted in & kicked thier hides all over the place.


Yes, but Goku has been trained by the Gods...but that's why we have vegitta who will probably use the dragonballs for immortality for the period of fighting apacolypse lol.

[Rowen]

what epsidoe did goku trian with the gods??, i never knew goku even did that. you make a good point that the dragon balls can give anybody immortaility, but still i think apoclypse, galactase, ghost rider, & jaggernaught could take out goku in a one on one fight. no dragonballs involved. just goku & the list of bad guys i mention dukeing it out to the end.

[super saiyan x]

Goku has trained with everyone in the dragonballz universe. This is where the story originally came from. Goku may still be a mortal, but he packs a handful.

[super saiyan x]

The question is what will happen if kid buu went up against someone like the apacolypse?

[mystic gohan]

the simple answer is NOBODY... no one from marvel, DC, or any other comic book medium could even touch Goku, helll id like to see anyone from the comics universe even ATTEMPT to do Gokus TRAINING, theyd last two seconds, Frieza would be more than a match for anyone in comicbooks.
i got to agree with you even chibi trunks could wipe any one from marvel or DC do u see any of them training at 150 time earths normal gravity

[Rowen]

The question is what will happen if kid buu went up against someone like the apacolypse?

neither of them would die because thier both immortal

[mystic gohan]

neither of them would die because thier both immortal
im sorry to tell you but buu isnt immortal that is how goku killed how obviously he was just realy hard to kill

[super saiyan x]

So then apacolypse can die if Goku uses the spirit bomb lol. To tell you the truth, wasn't Debura suppose to be a demon of some sort.

[mystic gohan]

So then apacolypse can die if Goku uses the spirit bomb lol. To tell you the truth, wasn't Debura suppose to be a demon of some sort.
dabura was basically like the devil babbidi calls him the demon king

[super saiyan x]

Ok so then db/dbz/gt vs the heros of dc and marvel.

[mystic gohan]

Ok so then db/dbz/gt vs the heros of dc and marvel.
there no contest the db/z ant gt character wud win without a challenge

[UltraHypnotic]

Glactus, Darkseid, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, Onslaught, Thor, and Ares.

[mystic gohan]

Glactus, Darkseid, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, Onslaught, Thor, and Ares.
LOL sorry im not up to scratch on my DC and marvel but i will have to take your word for it but still u got to admit goku is one hell of a fighter

[super saiyan x]

I remember when Goku went super saiyan 4 and he killed someone by just looking at them...really...you guys have to see that.

[mystic gohan]

I remember when Goku went super saiyan 4 and he killed someone by just looking at them...really...you guys have to see that.
o kool what episode is that in? that makes him sound like no one would be worhty enough to even challenge him

[super saiyan x]

Glactus, Darkseid, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, Onslaught, Thor, and Ares.


Darkseid will definitely lose there buddy..lmao
Thor will get his butt kicked even though he defeated superman
Thanos might be a tough one
Glactus...anything can happen.

[super saiyan x]

o kool what episode is that in? that makes him sound like no one would be worhty enough to even challenge him


It was on the extras of gt...the ones that you weren't meant to see.

[super saiyan x]

They were showing it recently on tv not too long ago when Gt ended.

[mystic gohan]

o damn that sucks so was it like extra episode or sumfin or like a delteted scene?

[super saiyan x]

o damn that sucks so was it like extra episode or sumfin or like a delteted scene?

Yes, but it was so funny lol.

[mystic gohan]

i must have missed it

[super saiyan x]

i think if you get the dvd, they will probably show you the extras.

[mystic gohan]

o kool thanks alot ill look out for it

[super saiyan x]

If Galactus faced someone like kid buu, he would lose.

[mystic gohan]

What about super buu when he has absorbed gotenks and gohan?

[super saiyan x]

That buu was creating holes within different dimensions...if vegitto didn't stop it, then the universe would have gone out of wax.

[mystic gohan]

yer i think if buu wud ave carried that on vegitto would have bin finished with the rest of the world

[ElectroFlare]

one of goku's weakness is he takes to much time used to transforme to all the super sayian's. it takes him at leats acuople of minutes to trnasform. with in that mucht time it takes to transform a bad guy could unleash awhole lot of devestating killer blows that could kill goku. & from that GT series goku & vegat where having a tough time beating omega shenron who is not that powerful. he seized the oppertunity whenver they where transforming he blasted in & kicked thier hides all over the place.

You realize that these transformations take place in less then a second, right? They slow down the time when we watch them transform so we can see the details and the strain. In real time, the transformations and power ups don't last very long. As to Omega Shenron, I'm not expert on GT, but think of this-Omega Shenron is a HUGE powerhouse, despite what you say in your post. He fought SS4 Vegeta and SS4 Goku and they still couldn't win. This guy is insanely fast, and fast enough to keep up with the transformations.

[mystic gohan]

yes but that was only because they dragged out the battle too long and goku and vegeta were already tired but it was a good job they had the after image tecnique

[super saiyan x]

I believe that the only character that will give Goku trouble might be Galactus but my money will go with Goku since he always finds a way.

[mystic gohan]

yes but by trouble do u mean he will cause goku actual problems that mite have goku worried or do u mean he would be the most difficult for goku to fight out of everyone?

[super saiyan x]

He will be the most difficult one even though goku holds his power down a lot.

[super saiyan x]

If the characters of dragonball z had the power to destroy massive planets since the beginning then we can kind of conclude what they can do at the end of Gt. Look at Frieza when planet vegeta was destroyed...this guy used his finger.

[mystic gohan]

yer i know what u mean if he can use his finger an goku is more powerful than frieza at just super saiayn 1 then at super saiyan 4 goggeta i wonder what would be the sacle of destruction he could cause if her put all his energy into a ball like the spirit bomb

[super saiyan x]

The powers of dragonball z and gt are too great...sometimes i think what will happen if you adopt goku into the marvel world.

[mystic gohan]

I think maybe you would get people tryin to steal gokus power imagine a tag team of goku and spiddy that would rule

[super saiyan x]

The only true hero of the dc world is batman while spiderman takes the popularity in the marvel universe.

[mystic gohan]

yes but do you think batman would be who he is without his parent beeing killed i very much doubt it he was kinda forced into his role he wanted revenge ok ill agree he helped people but mainly to get back at what happened to his parents

[super saiyan x]

what about if the silver surfer teamed up with Goku to fight lets say Galactus with thanos.

[mystic gohan]

well im not sure beacuse i dont realy know who galactus is but ive heard of him an he is mean to be porwerful thanos i have no idea and the silver surfer i dont have much recolection of either but if its got goku an the team then that is one mighty force

[super saiyan x]

I believe that goku can beat anyone in the marvel or dc world if they were to fight some place where civilization isn't around.

[super saiyan x]

Okay first off who are the #1s of DC and Marvel? I don't think anyone would argue Superman is DC's #1 unless you are a Captain Marvel fan. He has went blow for blow with Supes and even knocked him out a couple of times. Marvel fans seem to disagree on who #1 is more than DC fans do however. I say it is Thor just because he has defeated Silver Surfer every time they have fought and he also got the better of the Hulk without Mjolnir. Since Superman has recently defeated Thor this last month I think we are talking another Goku vs. Superman.


Goku is just just to much for anyone in the Marvel or DC Universe to match. Frieza shows us that even he, at below ssj levels, can easily blow up an entire planet with ONE finger. Saying that Goku can't do this because he doesn't makes no since. He is the hero, why would he ever do this in DBZ or GT? Goku is able to fight at light speeds. He fights Metal Cooler this way. Goku works out with 10 ton ankle and wrist weights at ssj level one (40 tons) like the weights are not even there. You or I couldn't do this with 5 lb. weights. Goku shakes the heavens when going ssj3 (Kid Buu). Super Buu and Gotenks at ssj3 can scream and rip holes between dimentions. Just because Goku doesn't do this he certainly could (just like the hole blowing up a planet thing) Much like death will not allow Thanos to die. The Gods of the Dragonball Universe will not allow Goku to stay dead. He just keeps coming back with an upgrade (Buu Saga he comes back ssj3, Baby saga he comes back ssj4). Doomsday is suppose to be unstoppable because even when he is killed he will supposedly come back more powerfull than the one who killed him before. Goku goes one up (upgrades)on more powerful opponents before they even have a chance. GOKU ALWAYS FINDS A WAY, ANOTHER LEVEL. At the end of GT Goku obsorbs the dragonballs. HE IS FOREVER HE IS THE MIGHTIEST OF THE MIGHTY. If he has the powers of the dragon he can do anything including giving life and taking it. Wizard magazine said what will happen if a goku vs superman match took place and well goku beat him at ss1. There you have it folks...Goku is the best.

[mystic gohan]

Okay first off who are the #1s of DC and Marvel? I don't think anyone would argue Superman is DC's #1 unless you are a Captain Marvel fan. He has went blow for blow with Supes and even knocked him out a couple of times. Marvel fans seem to disagree on who #1 is more than DC fans do however. I say it is Thor just because he has defeated Silver Surfer every time they have fought and he also got the better of the Hulk without Mjolnir. Since Superman has recently defeated Thor this last month I think we are talking another Goku vs. Superman.


Goku is just just to much for anyone in the Marvel or DC Universe to match. Frieza shows us that even he, at below ssj levels, can easily blow up an entire planet with ONE finger. Saying that Goku can't do this because he doesn't makes no since. He is the hero, why would he ever do this in DBZ or GT? Goku is able to fight at light speeds. He fights Metal Cooler this way. Goku works out with 10 ton ankle and wrist weights at ssj level one (40 tons) like the weights are not even there. You or I couldn't do this with 5 lb. weights. Goku shakes the heavens when going ssj3 (Kid Buu). Super Buu and Gotenks at ssj3 can scream and rip holes between dimentions. Just because Goku doesn't do this he certainly could (just like the hole blowing up a planet thing) Much like death will not allow Thanos to die. The Gods of the Dragonball Universe will not allow Goku to stay dead. He just keeps coming back with an upgrade (Buu Saga he comes back ssj3, Baby saga he comes back ssj4). Doomsday is suppose to be unstoppable because even when he is killed he will supposedly come back more powerfull than the one who killed him before. Goku goes one up (upgrades)on more powerful opponents before they even have a chance. GOKU ALWAYS FINDS A WAY, ANOTHER LEVEL. At the end of GT Goku obsorbs the dragonballs. HE IS FOREVER HE IS THE MIGHTIEST OF THE MIGHTY. If he has the powers of the dragon he can do anything including giving life and taking it. Wizard magazine said what will happen if a goku vs superman match took place and well goku beat him at ss1. There you have it folks...Goku is the best. http://dbzdeadzone.tripod.com/cgi-bin/goku13.jpg
sorry but you made one minor mistake the dragon is forbidden to take life away so only way he cud do tht is by destroying him with his own powers unless when he fused with the dragon the dragon to evolve to some thing more powerful which could take life away but still goku wudnt just wish his opponets death he would fight to the end

[Rowen]

sorry but you made one minor mistake the dragon is forbidden to take life away so only way he cud do tht is by destroying him with his own powers unless when he fused with the dragon the dragon to evolve to some thing more powerful which could take life away but still goku wudnt just wish his opponets death he would fight to the end

very good constructive descripted information.:) :up: you may be right, goku could be the best.

[super saiyan x]

sorry but you made one minor mistake the dragon is forbidden to take life away so only way he cud do tht is by destroying him with his own powers unless when he fused with the dragon the dragon to evolve to some thing more powerful which could take life away but still goku wudnt just wish his opponets death he would fight to the end

Inorder for Goku to fight to the end, he has to find a place where civilization isn't insight and I believe that if the battle takes place elsewhere, other than Earth, well dc or marvel would be doomed.

[mystic gohan]

yer i know have you heard invader zim dragonball z in a nut shell that explains everythink

[super saiyan x]

yep, I herd of that.

[mystic gohan]

well then that kinda says alot i wonder where all these places are on earth that have miles an mile of no life the desert?

[super saiyan x]

Vegitta said that Goku and himself would need a planet if they ever had a rematch.

[mystic gohan]

Vegitta said that Goku and himself would need a planet if they ever had a rematch.
o i no yer but they could do what uub and goku did fight at the look out but make sure it is a bit stronger i wonder what material mr popo used to stop all the energy beams stop the place beeing totaly destroyed

[marvelisawesome]

WHy is goku so good?

[super saiyan x]

That guy looks smarter than he looks lol.

[super saiyan x]

WHy is goku so good?


Have you seen dragonballz before?

[marvelisawesome]

nope

[mystic gohan]

nope
damn what you doing in here then?

[super saiyan x]

nope


The people in this forum are argueing what person in the marvel or dc universe that will give Goku trouble even though i find it hard to believe lol.

[mystic gohan]

Have you seen dragonballz before?
It is that easy to tell isnt it

[super saiyan x]

It is that easy to tell isnt it

Is the dragonball series continuing?

[mystic gohan]

Is the dragonball series continuing?
No sadly not i heard something about dragonball AF 100 years after with goku jnr but it was all a lie

[super saiyan x]

No sadly not i heard something about dragonball AF 100 years after with goku jnr but it was all a lie


Hopefully they will still make games.

[mystic gohan]

Hopefully they will still make games.
yer if they dont i would be realy dissapointed but atleast for now weve got some titles to look forward to. i think it might be cool if they sdid a spin off of dbz

[super saiyan x]

They should make a realistic movie about dragonball z.

[mystic gohan]

They should make a realistic movie about dragonball z.
i dont know i think it might ruin the effect

[super saiyan x]

They will pay more attention about the origins of dragonballz while the true elements of it will be abandoned.

[mystic gohan]

They will pay more attention about the origins of dragonballz while the true elements of it will be abandoned.
true but i think it might be cool if it was a movie about goku jnr like the Gt movie

[Edaar the Mage]

I've been reading the New Avengers that just started up, could this Sentinal guy take him maybe? I've only heard him in passing and never anything solid, but everyone who talks about him in the comic refers to him as "The most powerful super-hero ever to exist" So I figure he's gotta be pretty tough. Does anyone know the story behind this guy? I am totally lost since I never really saw him before.

Edaar The Mage

[Guyverjay]

You mean Sentry:o