Who in DC or Marvel would give Goku a good fight?

[Lobo]

Well, who would put up the best fight? Superman, Thor, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer any others you can think of?

[Aragorn]

Galactus!!!

[eat aliens]

No one. Goku is on a whole other level than everyone in the Marvel/DC universe.

[Aragorn]

There is one can can kick his butt......his barber
http://gokusnewdimension.homestead.com/files/G_with_dragon_balls.jpg
LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT HAIR

[Ryoko]

A fight between Goku and Superman would be good....Goku would kill him, but it would still be good:D

OK!! ok, I dont mean "Kill" as in literally Kill cos goku is too nice :D but spues would well and truley get his ass kicked

A fight between Krillen and Spiderman would be really great tho:D

[Aragorn]

I don´t like that show (but you all can see that)...
So answer me this...
- Why does Goku as a monkey´s tail?
- Why do pigs talk and wear clothes?
- Why is there an old man with a turtle´s back?

[KRoW]

Thor........Thor could kill Superman and he is also a god.......of course no one could defeat Galactus cept for the Ultimate Nullifier weapon. Thanos with the infinity rings could beat Goku. Same with Darkseid.

[Ricochet 2099]

The Silver Surfer could take out Superman, Thor, Goku, Captain Marvel, etc.. He'll whoop almost anyone's ass.

-Ricochet

[Tom]

Noone can beat Goku, I bet even Frieza could beat Superman.

[Carcharodon]

Originally posted by Aragorn
I don´t like that show (but you all can see that)...
So answer me this...
- Why does Goku as a monkey´s tail?
- Why do pigs talk and wear clothes?
- Why is there an old man with a turtle´s back?
1. Goku is of an alien race (I guess you can call them a "monkey people", even though that's not entire accurate).
2. It's a make-believe universe.
3. It's a weighted shell used in training. It's not an actual part of the old man, it's almost like an article of clothing. Also, he is known as the "Turtle Master"...so it has symbolic meaning.

[kang]

Originally posted by Ryoko
A fight between Goku and Superman would be good....Goku would kill him, but it would still be good:D

OK!! ok, I dont mean "Kill" as in literally Kill cos goku is too nice :D but spues would well and truley get his ass kicked

A fight between Krillen and Spiderman would be really great tho:D

Krillen would whoop supes lnever mind spiderman.

[Lazarus440]

batman but thats only with prep time.

[Acro]

Superman would put up a fight but he´d loose.
Galactus would be a tough one.
Silver surfer.
Thor(looses)

If Morlun was still alive I´m sure he would give goku a hard time....for three seconds.

Professor X would be really hard for Goku if Charlie would use his telepathy all out.

[Empusae]

Originally posted by Ricochet 2099
The Silver Surfer could take out Superman, Thor, Goku, Captain Marvel, etc.. He'll whoop almost anyone's ass.

-Ricochet

*cheer*

Exactly!!

[Hudson]

I say everyone even Joel schumacher

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by Aragorn
There is one can can kick his butt......his barber
http://gokusnewdimension.homestead.com/files/G_with_dragon_balls.jpg
LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT HAIR

He doesn't have a barber. Pure Sayains' hair stays the same from the moment they're born. If Goku ever got a haircut, it would probably stay that way. :( :p

[Empusae]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
He doesn't have a barber. Pure Sayains' hair stays the same from the moment they're born. If Goku ever got a haircut, it would probably stay that way. :( :p

Birth must be really painful then!

[Knightsaber Priss]

The Amazing Spider-Man
He doesn't have a barber. Pure Sayains' hair stays the same from the moment they're born. If Goku ever got a haircut, it would probably stay that way.

If this is so explain Vegeta's God awful haircut in Dragonball GT. (I know about the Saiyan Haircut deal. It seems the GT writers totally forgot about that.) I chalk that up to non-involvement of Akira Toriyama in regards to that less than stellar followup to DBZ.(Compared to the sheer volume of DBZ episodes jeese! I think only Ranma 1/2 has as much if not more.) GT had a lackluster number of episodes too.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by Godzilla2000
If this is so explain Vegeta's God awful haircut in Dragonball GT. (I know about the Saiyan Haircut deal. It seems the GT writers totally forgot about that.) I chalk that up to non-involvement of Akira Toriyama in regards to that less than stellar followup to DBZ.(Compared to the sheer volume of DBZ episodes jeese! I think only Ranma 1/2 has as much if not more.) GT had a lackluster number of episodes too.

I dunno how to explain it, all I know is that a Sayain's never is supposed to never grow basically. Vegeta said that himself in DBZ once.

[0 Degrees]

Yeah it was when he (Vegeta) and Trunks came out of the time chamber from training for Cell. Trunks had longer hair yet Vegeta's was the same length as when he entered. When asked about this Vegeta explained how a true 100% pure-blood Saiyan's hair does not grow longer. Where as a half Saiyan such as Gohan, Trunks and Goten, their hair will grow longer.

However, when a Saiyan reaches Super Saiyan Level 3, their hair grows significantly longer. But when they "power down" the hair shrinks some.

[Erik Magnus Lehnsherr]

Silver Surfer (winning)
Thor (winning)
Superman (close)
Ultron (winning)
Galactus (winning)
Hulk (prolly losing)
Professor X (winning)

[Spider-Phoenix]

Dark Phoenix maybe....


oh hell, just a master chef and some poison.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by Spider-Phoenix
oh hell, just a master chef and some poison.

Hehe yeah. If Goku has one weakness, it's food.

[Lazarus440]

what about the Gladiator he seems like he would give goku a good fight.

[FSKreturns]

Dragon Ball Z sucks. :wolverine

[AmonRa]

i dont think there are to mant who could defeat goku, one on one. maybe if they had some weapon that they could luanch at him from a few hundred miles away, with out him even knowing they were after him or something, but one on one, hand to hand, know body could beat goku!:D

[Empusae]

Originally posted by AmonRa
i dont think there are to mant who could defeat goku, one on one. maybe if they had some weapon that they could luanch at him from a few hundred miles away, with out him even knowing they were after him or something, but one on one, hand to hand, know body could beat goku!:D

LOL

Ok here we go

*Silver surfer and goku enter the arena*

*Silver surfer looks at goku*

*Goku starts to charge*

*Surfer rends goku's atoms apart and spreads him on the solar winds.*

*Surfer walks out.*

[dmario]

first to go?
(and in order I might add)

Batman. As resourcefull as he is, sorry he's human.

Flash: he might try to go back in time and stop him (using his time-treadmill device from CRISIS)
Goku would still catch him racing towards him at 500mph with a deadly clothesline.

Martian Manhunter: FIRE.

Wonder Woman: Son Goku would
have a hard time fighting a girl, he would avoid every punch until she landed one on him good. LEFT, RIGHT, Body BLOW! the Amazon is out with all her ribs broken.

Robin: Holy Escape pods I'm gettin outta here!

GreenLantern: he would get the best of Goku until he gets pissed and you guessed it,
*KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!* Super SaiyaJin, Yellow hair and energy field. its over GL. death is quick and easy.

Superman: Can we say Doomsday all over again? Neither will ever give up, superman bloody and beaten after Goku blows up a small continent clouding the sky with dust and the sun's rays can not penetrate it. suddenly a senzu is tossed to Goku and his energy is revitalized.
*Kaaaaa Meeeeee Haaaaa Me.....HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!*
Superman is blown off the earth, and into the sun suffering a fate not unlike Freeza's brother Coola.

Goku powers down and passes out.
he grabs for his chest but can't breathe, he has been imapled by the caped crusader. who played possum and slips back into the shadows...like I said earlier... resourceful.

[Guyverjay]

LOL

Ok here we go

*Silver surfer and goku enter the arena*

*Silver surfer looks at goku*

*Goku starts to charge*

*Surfer rends goku's atoms apart and spreads him on the solar winds.*

*Surfer walks out.*

Yeah what ever im so sick of hearing that rubbish, we all know that the surfer CANNOT rearrange a persons atoms or molecules If that person has a high enough power. BTW Goku is immortal. Im not saying it would be easy an easy fight but saying surfer would beat goku in a matter of seconds is just stupid.

[iconboy]

stan lee should fight him so goku can "accidentally" kill him"

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by dmario
Goku powers down and passes out.
he grabs for his chest but can't breathe, he has been imapled by the caped crusader. who played possum and slips back into the shadows...like I said earlier... resourceful.

Ummmm, if Goku could block Trunks' sword with his FINGER......

[ChaoticBaryonyX]

Originally posted by Godzilla2000
If this is so explain Vegeta's God awful haircut in Dragonball GT. (I know about the Saiyan Haircut deal. It seems the GT writers totally forgot about that.) I chalk that up to non-involvement of Akira Toriyama in regards to that less than stellar followup to DBZ.(Compared to the sheer volume of DBZ episodes jeese! I think only Ranma 1/2 has as much if not more.) GT had a lackluster number of episodes too.

I can explain that. Akira Toriyama had nothing to do with DBGT, thus a lot of small facts were forgotten, like that one, and the fact that the Dark Star Dragonballs would have been destroyed when Kami and Piccolo came back together, or if they were made before the seperation(which I believe is the case) they would have been destroyed during it.

[MJB]

Goku is a powerful character, and I'm looking in terms of power, and not who's a better character. Sure some of the DBZ universe is hokey, but some other aspects of it kicks @ss.

Goku vs Silver Surfer: Surfer would win, but it'll be a good fight.

Goku vs Dr Doom: We all know Doom is far to cunning for Goku, despite Goku being vastly more powerrful then doom.

Goku vs Doomsday: Man this is a tuff one, but i'm leaning towards DD.

Goku vs Dr Strange: As strong as Goku is, I think his power would be useless against a mystical assult on the level that Strange can generate.

Goku vs Thanos: Thanos can go at it with the Surfer, and he 's pretty smart to, so I'll give it to Thanos.

Goku is just an amazingly powerful character, and in terms of raw power, he has most of the characters beat in a one on one fight. Now I'm talking heroes like Superman, Xmen, or Thor. I don't consider beings like Galactus or The Specter in Goku's league. I'm sticking to mortel characters and demi gods along the lines of Thor.

[Dark Carnage]

Originally posted by dragonball
No one. Goku is on a whole other level than everyone in the Marvel/DC universe.

I have to agree, when u can blow up a planet, with out being the size of Galactus your pretty much a bastard to beat. Moving a the speed of light means your untouchable.

And Yeah I reckon Frieza could whip Supes, just blast him into space hold him there, and smile at him till he stops breathing.

[Guyverjay]

Goku vs Silver Surfer: Surfer would win, but it'll be a good fight.

Goku vs Dr Doom: We all know Doom is far to cunning for Goku, despite Goku being vastly more powerrful then doom.

Goku vs Doomsday: Man this is a tuff one, but i'm leaning towards DD.

Goku vs Dr Strange: As strong as Goku is, I think his power would be useless against a mystical assult on the level that Strange can generate.

Goku vs Thanos: Thanos can go at it with the Surfer, and he 's pretty smart to, so I'll give it to Thanos.

LOL!!! What a load of rubbish

Goku would beat the surfer,he's faster,better fighting skill and overall more powerful. Vegeta could blow up,a planet with his little finger when his power level 21,000. Goku's power level is around 96,million. So goku is 46 times stronger than when he could destroy a planet. One planet destroying blast and surfers down. Surfers durability isn't greater than a planet sorry.

As much as I love doom again Goku would destroy the whole country of latveria,Doom goes down.

Goku teleports Doomsday into a black hole and leaves him there,doomsday goes down.

Dr strange,now that is a tough one Idont think Goku comeup against someone who does magic, but the hulk has broken stranges bands of cytorrak and Goku is more powerful tyan the hulk. All strange could do with the hulk is teleport him somewhere else. That won't work on goku he would jus teleport back again. Strange goes down.

Thanos goes down for the same reason I gave for surfer.

Everybody makes a big deal about goku's intelligence,its not really his fault he didnt go to school. Anyway he's a fighting genius,thats all that counts. He's like Bruce lee with the power cosmic.How can any one compete with that?

[darth_coolius]

Originally posted by guyverjay
LOL!!! What a load of rubbish

Goku would beat the surfer,he's faster,better fighting skill and overall more powerful. Vegeta could blow up,a planet with his little finger when his power level 21,000. Goku's power level is around 96,million. So goku is 46 times stronger than when he could destroy a planet. One planet destroying blast and surfers down. Surfers durability isn't greater than a planet sorry.

As much as I love doom again Goku would destroy the whole country of latveria,Doom goes down.

Goku teleports Doomsday into a black hole and leaves him there,doomsday goes down.

Dr strange,now that is a tough one Idont think Goku comeup against someone who does magic, but the hulk has broken stranges bands of cytorrak and Goku is more powerful tyan the hulk. All strange could do with the hulk is teleport him somewhere else. That won't work on goku he would jus teleport back again. Strange goes down.

Thanos goes down for the same reason I gave for surfer.

Everybody makes a big deal about goku's intelligence,its not really his fault he didnt go to school. Anyway he's a fighting genius,thats all that counts. He's like Bruce lee with the power cosmic.How can any one compete with that?

you go sister

[Kroc1138]

PreCrisis Silver Age Superman would not only Kick Goku's ass. He do it quickly.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
PreCrisis Silver Age Superman would not only Kick Goku's ass. He do it quickly. He'd rape him and not give him a reacharound. :D But seriously PreC Supers would beat Goku to a pulp, he was nigh omnipotent.

[Cyclops]

And this is what annoys me about DBZ. Goku fans are even more rabid about Goku's winning chances than Batman fans are about his. Replace "prep time" with "ridiculously powerful" and there you go.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by Cyclops
And this is what annoys me about DBZ. Goku fans are even more rabid about Goku's winning chances than Batman fans are about his. Replace "prep time" with "ridiculously powerful" and there you go.

That's why you can't compare DragonBall Z with anything else.

[kang]

Goku eventually becomes god so um he can't really lose being that he is all powerful and stuff:cool:

[sp1derg1rl]

you can't really compare them,they're on diffrent types of levels.
(it's got nothing to do with this argument, but vegeta has a macdonalds hairline.)

[kang]

Originally posted by sp1derg1rl
you can't really compare them, they're on diffrent types of levels.
(it's got nothing to do with this argument, but vegeta has a macdonalds hairline.)

Yes. Yes he does;)
http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~chrscrash/vegeta~1.jpe

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Cyclops
And this is what annoys me about DBZ. Goku fans are even more rabid about Goku's winning chances than Batman fans are about his. Replace "prep time" with "ridiculously powerful" and there you go. I know what you mean, some people actually think that Goku could stand a chance against PreCrisis Silver-Age Superman. :rolleyes: Some are even rabid enough to say Goku would win. That just makes me laugh.

[Cyclops]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
That's why you can't compare DragonBall Z with anything else.

That's just fine then, because we all know that Santa's gonna annihilate Goku.... :D :D

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by Cyclops
That's just fine then, because we all know that Santa's gonna annihilate Goku.... :D :D

But Santa's dead. Weird Al said so. :confused:

[kang]

If Goku had prep time he'd whupp santa:D

[Cyclops]

The evidence speaks to the contrary.

[Lobo]

Bugs Bunny would kill Goku!

[Dark 1]

ok reasons why no one could take goku at this point: he could surpass lightspeed in the freeza saga there fore he can now move at speeds only real in a fictional context, he could manipulate the universe itself at such highspeeds, second if he were only equally as powerful as any version of superman thenhe would still win for just a few simple reasons, 1 superman rarely show the ability to fight in a manner better than constant punches of mass force, goku is skilled in an amazing form of martial arts and has much more experience fighting people stronger than him, 2superman would probably not finish off goku and as soon as foku could stand again superman would go down because as everyone know every battle makes a sayain stronger weather win or lose 3goku has massively powerful long range attacks and several crafty attacks like solar flare and if he wanted he could use destructo disc which, is unblockable, butt stopped being used because it didnt move fast enough.

[kang]

You can stop distructo discs if you are strong enough.
Gohan Vs Perfect Cell for example.

[Guyverjay]

Goku would own any version of superman you care to mention. What part of immortal dont you understand?

[Major Tom]

At the beginning of Dragon Ball, most superheroes would kick Goku's ass.

:batman: Nah.

:wolverine Certainly.

:cyclops: You better believe it.

:daredevil Hell yes.

(Keep in mind, scary Goku fanboys and girls, that this is all at the begining of DB.)

-Major Tom

[Guyverjay]

Er...and what does that prove?

That the superheroes you mentioned could beat up a child:rolleyes:

WOW WEE deductive reasoning at its best:rolleyes:

[Super Bardock]

Galactus could kick Goku's ass. If Goku split him open, it would create a big bang and start a new universe.

[Super Bardock]

Forget that Galactus ****, I've got a new one. Juggernaut!! He's a ******' monster. He's basically invincible, since he doesn't need to eat, sleep or breathe with the suit on. There's no way Goku could beat him.

[Guyverjay]

ha ha yeah right Goku telports juggs into a black hole and leaves him there.



NEXT!

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Goku would own any version of superman you care to mention. What part of immortal dont you understand? What part of omnipotent don't you understand Silver age Supes could do practically what ever he wanted. Goku would be raped without a reacharound.

[Super Bardock]

Heh heh, Goku is such a pussy. Plus, if Goku teleported Juggs to a black hole, he would get caught in it, too.

[Dark Carnage]

What about when Spidey has Cosmic or Phoenix power.

Could he beat Goku?

[Super Bardock]

Originally posted by Dark Carnage
What about when Spidey has Cosmic or Phoenix power.

Could he beat Goku?

oh, yeah! I forgot about that. Wasn't Cosmic Spider-man invincible? If so, then Goku couldn't do **** against him.

[Guyverjay]

What part of omnipotent don't you understand Silver age Supes could do practically what ever he wanted. Goku would be raped without a reacharound.

The difference being that pre crsis supes WASN'T omnipotent. He was ridiculously powerful but he wasn't Omnipotent or Omniscent.

Goku at the end of the dragonball Saga was basically GOD.

He could teleport, Travel multiples times the speed of light and Fight at that speed(greatest Martial artist in the Universe), Could destroy an entire solar system with one hand, Durability greater than that of a planet and that was BEFORE he became one with the Dragonballs granting him Immortality and the powers of a GOD. In case you didn't know the Dragonballs (shenron) power can pretty much grant virtually any wish even once recreating the Earth when it was destroyed by BUU and that Power is part of Goku now.

So no Supes aint beating GOKU no matter what you say. Im not saying Goku is a better character than Supes ( I don't think he is at all) but I know Gokus power which you underestimate greatly.

Heh heh, Goku is such a pussy. Plus, if Goku teleported Juggs to a black hole, he would get caught in it, too.

Er....No He dosen't have to teleport him to the centre only close enough for juggs to float right in, juggs can't fly. Anyway a black hole wouldn't kill Goku.

[Super Bardock]

Ok, I see your point with Juggs. Of course, he wouldn't die either, but just be stuck there forever. But what about Galactus? Read my earlier post. How could Goku stop that?

[Super Bardock]

Of course I know someone Goku couldn't even touch... Stan Lee!! No one can match the power of Stan "The Man"!!

[Guyverjay]

Im not sure that Goku could beat Galactus who is nigh on Omnipotent. Im not sure just how GODLY Goku actually is its never full explained.

All I know is at the end of the DB story Goku is around 160 years old and immortal, Knowing Goku he's probably trained for all that time and is probably 500 times ( if not more,) more powerful than when he last fought on DBGT.

[darth_coolius]

He can turn super saiyan 6 at the end of gt. He gets so powerful he actually merges with the Ki and becomes pure energy.

[Guyverjay]

What the hell are you on about?

When did that happen?

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
The difference being that pre crsis supes WASN'T omnipotent. He was ridiculously powerful but he wasn't Omnipotent or Omniscent.

Goku at the end of the dragonball Saga was basically GOD.

He could teleport, Travel multiples times the speed of light and Fight at that speed(greatest Martial artist in the Universe), Could destroy an entire solar system with one hand, Durability greater than that of a planet and that was BEFORE he became one with the Dragonballs granting him Immortality and the powers of a GOD. In case you didn't know the Dragonballs (shenron) power can pretty much grant virtually any wish even once recreating the Earth when it was destroyed by BUU and that Power is part of Goku now.

So no Supes aint beating GOKU no matter what you say. Im not saying Goku is a better character than Supes ( I don't think he is at all) but I know Gokus power which you underestimate greatly.
I don't, you are underestimating PreC. Supes. He was more than extremely powerful, He was nigh omnipotent. He could move at almost limitless speed, could extinguish a star by clapping, Juggle planets, and a whole bunch of rediculous powers.

check some of them out here:
http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing43/feature2.shtml

http://web.cetlink.net/~farrier/supe1.html

[Guyverjay]

I know about pre crisis supes powers (ive been on one of those sites before), but being really strong and really fast isn't omnipotent. Alot of his other powers are a non factor like heat vision,super-hypnosis, super-ventriloquism,traveling through time etc. A fight between end of Dragonball saga Goku and pre crisis supes would boil down to brute power and fighting skill at the end of the day. Even if we agreed that strength and speed between the two are equal. Goku enegy manipulating abilities are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar in excess of pre crisis supes and lets not even talk about fighting skill.

Think about this, frieza in his first form could atomise a planet with one finger, at the end of DBGT Goku is 200 times more powerful than that. THEN he becomes one with Dragonballs and THEN the story is fast forwarded 100 years into the future when Goku visits his ancestor, considering how:

A) Goku trains and fights everyday (thats all he does)
B) Sayans get stronger after every battle
C) He's been training everday for the past 100 years,learning martial arts from the greatest masters alive and dead in his universe.

and D) From the the Beginning of DBZ and the end of DBGT his power started off at around 330 and at the end it was around 96,000,000. The space of time between was around 30 years.

It only took him 30 odd years to increase his power by that much. How much do you think its increased in the past 100 years?
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Gulf/9690/dbz129.jpg

[kang]

*sigh*
At the end of GT it would be impossible to defeat Goku.
Goku becomes God.
Not just a God but THE God.

[darth_coolius]

It's cool, at the end of DBZAF, Goku goes back in time and merges with his past self and becomes Super Saiyan Infinity. It's friggin' awesome, you gotta see it for yourself.

[Guyverjay]

er..yeah....;)

[Dark Carnage]

Originally posted by darth_coolius
It's cool, at the end of DBZAF,

Right the Second I read that I knew the rest just wouldnt be right.

[kang]

Darth REALLY likes making things up. Him being such a daft git is what makes him amusing though.

[Lobo]

While Goku is a 1,000x better fighter than any version of Superman, Superman is 1,000x smarter than any version of Goku. A fight between Pre C Supes and and Goku I gotta go with Supes. I got comics where he moves planets by blowing on them.

[Dark Carnage]

Originally posted by Lobo of Krypton
I got comics where he moves planets by blowing on them.

OMG!!!

And I though Superman couldnt get any Gayer when I heard about his hearing, but we have a new number 1.

Goku is a prety dumb person in day to day life.

But hes pretty much unmatched in term of smarts on the battlefield.

[darth_coolius]

It was cool when Goku blew up a planet just by staring at it funny.

[Guyverjay]

While Goku is a 1,000x better fighter than any version of Superman, Superman is 1,000x smarter than any version of Goku. A fight between Pre C Supes and and Goku I gotta go with Supes. I got comics where he moves planets by blowing on them.

That pretty much doesn't say anything does it?

Reed richards must be able to beat supes then becasue he's smarter than supes :rolleyes:

Goku is pretty dumb when it comes to day to day life, but hes a FIGHTING genius. Notive how you said Goku is 1000x better FIGHTER, well thats what they are doing FIGHTING. Im sure that superman is alot more intelligent than Bruce lee as well but if Bruce had supes powers he would hand supes his ass and you know it.

[kang]

After GT Goku is transcendant!
He is infinitley powerful, so powerful no human mind can even begin to imagine what he is capable of.
He turns into GOD
You can't win against that no matter how many sexual favours you do for cosmic debris

[Super Bardock]

Originally posted by kang
After GT Goku is transcendant!
He is infinitley powerful, so powerful no human mind can even begin to imagine what he is capable of.
He turns into GOD
You can't win against that no matter how many sexual favours you do for cosmic debris

That's a pile of crap. When does it say he turns into God?

[darth_coolius]

When he merged with God in episode 43536 and gained all his powers.

[KniteYxSpydeY]

No way dude, God fused with Krillin in that episode. Goku came the day after!

[darth_coolius]

Originally posted by KniteYxSpydeY
No way dude, God fused with Krillin in that episode. Goku came the day after!

Yeah, God looked weird bald and short, but Krillin looked better fused.

[kang]

Well if he is infinitly powerful (which he is since he becomes stronger after every battle) and fuses with a being that can change the universe in any way a person wishes it is safe to assume he becomes a God like being.
How else could they finish a series where death is not the end?

[darth_coolius]

Wasn't Kame technically the god of earth? Goku surpassed him long ago...

[MJB]

ENOUGH WITH THE GOKU BECOMES GOD OR THE PRE-CRISIS SUPERMAN THAT CAN SPIN PLANETS ON HIS PINKY OR BLOW OUT THE SUN LIKE A CANDLE. SCIENTIFIC LOGIC WAS SCRETCHED BEYOND REASON WITH SUPES DOING THOSE TYPE OF STUNTS, AND I SEE THE PRE-CRISIS SUPERMAN AS BEING MORE FOR LITTLE KIDS, THEN THE CURRENT ONE, AND THAT'S THE ONE I'VE FOLLOWED FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS. I NEVER READ PRE-CRISIS, AND I'M GLAD I DIDN'T, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE BUST A GUT LAUGHING, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THE IDIOT THAT THOUGHT UP THOSE CRAZY FEATS. I REMEMBER SEEING AN EPISODE OF THE SUPERFREINDS LAST YEAR, AND SUPERMAN WAS FLYING THE ENTIRE EARTH OUT OF A BLACKHOLE OR SOMETHING, AND I WAS LIKE WTF?? THAT SHOW TRULY WAS MEANT FOR YOUNG KIDS.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm going with the Goku I know, and that's him from a litlle boy on Db, to an adult on DBZ. I'm talking about Goku under his own power, and not outside sources, like the Dragon balls giving him power or him merging with who ever. The same goes for superman as he is in the current comics.

I like both Supes and Goku, and if I was to give one of them the title of winner it would be Goku. Goku is a far more skilled fighter then Supes, and he's trained in various forms of combat. Goku is no slotch in the power dept, and while Supes would give him a good fight, I'm sticking with Goku as overall winner. Supes may be a smarter, but Goku has him beat in fighting.

[MJB]

Originally posted by Lobo of Krypton
While Goku is a 1,000x better fighter than any version of Superman, Superman is 1,000x smarter than any version of Goku. A fight between Pre C Supes and and Goku I gotta go with Supes. I got comics where he moves planets by blowing on them.

I think it's fair to say that a person of greater intelligence can beat someone stronger then them if they are given time to plan. Reed Richards and Dr Doom would both beat Superman and Goku with sufficient planning, but if they got into a battle with either Superman or Goku without time to plan and create some device, then both Doom and Richards would get their head handed to them on a platter badly, and quickly.

[KniteYxSpydeY]

Well, that's the thing. MJB, yes, Goku would win in a fight. But he wouldn't be able to kill him. You have to remember, Superman is just like a walking piece of metal. You can bang him up, hurt him, but you can't ever really destroy him. Superman's powers aren't as developed as Goku, especially since Goku is basically raw power compared to Supes, only a thread of it.

So, my opinion:
Goku would win a fight, defintitely. He's a genius in the art of war. In a mental challenge, I'd give it to Supes. In a fight to the death, I think the only person vulnerable would be Goku.

[darth_coolius]

Superman's body isn't indestructable. Someone with Goku's strength and powers would easily be able to tear him apart.

[KniteYxSpydeY]

Actually, Superman's body is indestructible. Goku could hurt him, but not kill him.

[MJB]

Originally posted by KniteYxSpydeY
Actually, Superman's body is indestructible. Goku could hurt him, but not kill him.

Nothing is truly indestructible. I'm sure someone like Galactus or a Celestial can easily vaporize Supes body, remember that. There have been so many changes to Superman over the years, that his powers are or abilities are never constant. I've read where Supes is invunerable, and then other times where he's near invulnerable. I've also read that when his cells are low on solar energy, he's vulnerable to injury, and can be killed, which makes sense if you want to look at his powers from a scientific point of view.

I would imagine that in a battle with Goku, Supes solar energy would depleate in a such a fierce battle. Superman's powers are not limitless, and he does get exhusted when he's using his powers at a high level. The weaker Supes is, and the less Solar power he has, the more vulnerable he is to harm and injury, and thus Goku can indeed kill him. That's what happened with the fierce battle between him and Doomsday.

[Guyverjay]

Plus Supermans durability would have to be greater than a planet to survive a charged up Kamahamaha wave and considering how a mere nuke messed him up pretty badly, (although he did survive) a blast from Goku would destroy him.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Plus Supermans durability would have to be greater than a planet to survive a charged up Kamahamaha wave and considering how a mere nuke messed him up pretty badly, (although he did survive) a blast from Goku would destroy him. Supes in the Post Crisis world has survived explosions far worse than Nukes and has taken little or no injury. He's Survrive Supernova explosions, and even Galaxy Destroying Hypernovae from what I hear. The thing is Supes has shown a surprising amount of resistance to very poweful energy blasts.


Lobo would put up a good fight with Goku, He lives for fighting and he can't die.

[Guyverjay]

Not really Goku would transport him into a black hole or move at 20 times the speed of light and rip his head off or he would take away his immortality. Either way game over. Same with supes.

BTW since Supes gets his power from a star,its hardly surprising that he would survive an explosion of solar energy, whats soo stupid is when a star goes Nova it becomes a red giant so technically he should die when the star explodes.

SS4 Goku fused with Dragonballs = Omnipotent version of Bruce Lee
Post crisis supes = Not omnipotent
Pre crisis supes = Near omnipotent

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
[B]Not really Goku would transport him into a black hole or move at 20 times the speed of light and rip his head off or he would take away his immortality. Either way game over. Same with supes.

BTW since Supes gets his power from a star,its hardly surprising that he would survive an explosion of solar energy, whats soo stupid is when a star goes Nova it becomes a red giant so technically he should die when the star explodes.
Not All the explosions, energy surges and Blast that he survived are Solar based. Darkseids Omega Beams aren't Solar based and Superman has resistance to it. Only a small list of beings can resist the Omega Effect with some injury, and only one can without any at all. The thing is with Supes is that he absorbs various manners of energy Blasts, explosions etc.

Time and Time Again and Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey are some good examples of when Supes withstands different forms of energy.

[darth_coolius]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
Not All the explosions, energy surges and Blast that he survived are Solar based. Darkseids Omega Beams aren't Solar based and Superman has resistance to it. Only a small list of beings can resist the Omega Effect with some injury, and only one can without any at all. The thing is with Supes is that he absorbs various manners of energy Blasts, explosions etc.

Time and Time Again and Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey are some good examples of when Supes withstands different forms of energy.

he wouldn't be able to resist goku grabbing his jaws and ripping his head in two.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by darth_coolius
he wouldn't be able to resist goku grabbing his jaws and ripping his head in two. I'm sure he would. If he could barely withstand Doomsday (in Hunter/Prey) who countermeasures were specifically attuned to Supermans Physiology exactly, then I don't see how Goku could hurt him physically.

[Guyverjay]

Bottom line is Goku is omnipotent, Supes is not.

Goku is immortal, supes is not.

Goku gets stronger after every battle, supes does not.

Goku is has at least 160 years of training and experience fighting the most powerful beings in his universe (by himself I might add),supes does not.

Goku is the most accomplished martial artist in ALL of fiction,supes is not.

Goku can blow up a planet with his little toe supes cannot.

Goku has durability greater than a planet,supes does not.

Thats about as basic and clear as I can put it.

Considering how Cell held back a planet sized asteroid with his index finger and goku is probably a 100 times stronger (if not more) then how can you say that goku can't hurt supes physically?

[JINoside]

um.....i havent read the thread fully, just last post..goku's resistance is way more than a planet. superman would lose, he could take a lot but goku could dish out a lot also......

[Kroc1138]

Mr Mxyzptlk: Is far more powerful than Goku, but isn't too clever. But from what I get from non-rabid DBZ fans Goku ain't too bright himself. So I would give the edge to Mxy.

Lobo: Lives to fight, can't die at all. He would give Goku one hell of a fight.

[Dark Carnage]

We have already said that Goku isnt very bright............in day to day life.

However on the battlefeild he is pure genius. And cant be matched.

[AmonRa]

goku would wipe the floor with supes. goku's only real weakness is that he loves the fight so he wouldnt power up right away, so if supes some how hit with all he could at the first moment... but supes doesnt have any real offense, whats he going to do hit him real hard )yeah thats never haped to goku before) even if supes is as strong as everyone is sayong he is, eventually goku would win cause supes doesnt have a way to end the battle. goku could just waste on him till there was nothing left!

[Guyverjay]

A fight with Mr Mxyzptlk would last forever neither one would lose but then again goku would transport him back to the fifth dimension and then Mr Mxyzptlk would have to wait 90 days to return LOL!!

Dunno why you bring up Lobo yet again:rolleyes: ,how the hell can he beat an omnipotent being?

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Dark Carnage
We have already said that Goku isnt very bright............in day to day life.

However on the battlefeild he is pure genius. And cant be matched. But Mxy could just turn him into an Elephant, Alter the way his powers work to Goku's detriment, and devise contermeasures to kill Goku. While Mxy doen't ever Kill people he annoys since he gets bored, he'd just annoy Goku to death. While Mxy isn't very clever I believe he is omniscient. Very one sided battle here.


Lobo and Goku would be a Good fight since Lobo lives for fighting and killing (He singlehandedly killed his entire race). He's totally immortal because of a deal he has with God and Satan. He would certainly give Goku LOTS of trouble.

[JINoside]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
But Mxy could just turn him into an Elephant, Alter the way his powers work to Goku's detriment, and devise contermeasures to kill Goku. While Mxy doen't ever Kill people he annoys since he gets bored, he'd just annoy Goku to death. While Mxy isn't very clever I believe he is omniscient. Very one sided battle here.


Lobo and Goku would be a Good fight since Lobo lives for fighting and killing (He singlehandedly killed his entire race). He's totally immortal because of a deal he has with God and Satan. He would certainly give Goku LOTS of trouble.

Man i love Lobo, but he cant beat goku neither:( . By the way its just with god not satan that he has that deal with;)

[Guyverjay]

how is he going to turn him into an elephant? Goku is also Omnipotent ,omniscient. Thats like saying he could turn Galactus into an elephant. Even if he did Goku would transform himself back. Plus Goku has been turned into a chocolate drop and still retained all his power in a fight with majin buu. Mxyzptlk couldn't even beat the impossible man, he turned impossible man ino a slug and impossible turned himself straight back. And again how can a Lobo Physically beat an omnipotent being? its not going to happen.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
A fight with Mr Mxyzptlk would last forever neither one would lose but then again goku would transport him back to the fifth dimension and then Mr Mxyzptlk would have to wait 90 days to return LOL!!

Dunno why you bring up Lobo yet again:rolleyes: ,how the hell can he beat an omnipotent being? :rolleyes: There you go with the Whole omnipotent Goku. I don't think the starter of this thread intended to have Goku being omnipotent as you make him out to be. I believe the poster any form of Goku short of being omnipotent.

Asside from all that Mxy would own him. Goku would have to know how to send Mxy back to the 5th dimension for him to stand a chance. But he wouldn't know that unless Mxy lets it slip out, which he could do. But I doubt Goku is smart enough to capitalize on that.

As for Lobo Goku can't kill him, he's immortal 100%, even if he is omnipotent.

[Guyverjay]

How do you know what version of Goku the poster intended?
He didn't specify time period or saga there fore you have to use Goku at his most powerful,otherwise whats the point? You didn't seem to mind when you were throwing the all powerful pre crisis supes into the mix did you? Its okay to mention omnipotent beings like Mr Mxyzptlk but Goku has to be powered down?

Did you even read my last post? theres nothing Mr Mxyzptlk could do that Goku couldn't undo.Mr Mxyzptlk couldn't even beat the impossible man. BTW Goku is telepathic and can read minds so he would know exactly where the Fifth dimension was and since Goku can teleport inter dimensionally it would be a synch.

So what if Lobo can't die,Goku transports him to another dimension,black hole,other side of the universe,take your pick.

[Phily]

ok how about this guys???
superman does the infusion with batman and attains the green lantern's ring!!!

VS

Goku

[Guyverjay]

Whats an infusion?

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
How do you know what version of Goku the poster intended?
He didn't specify time period or saga there fore you have to use Goku at his most powerful,otherwise whats the point? You didn't seem to mind when you were throwing the all powerful pre crisis supes into the mix did you? Its okay to mention omnipotent beings like Mr Mxyzptlk but Goku has to be powered down? No you don't!! Why would anybody make a vs post were one combaton is omnipotent and the other isn't? While Supes has dealt with omnipotent beings who aren't that clever, he is outmatched, even though Supermans power levels don't have any upper limits. Pre Crisis Supes ain't omnipotent as you said, so there is no problem in bringing him into this debate. Short of facing omnipotent Goku, he'd own all other incarnations of him. Post Crisis Supes on the other hand could possibly even up the odds (with Kryptonite X) thus making it a standstill in my eyes.

We are both Guilty of the same crime, throwing in omnipotent being into the debate. Lets start over with no omnipotent beings at all. No Mxy.

Did you even read my last post? theres nothing Mr Mxyzptlk could do that Goku couldn't undo.Mr Mxyzptlk couldn't even beat the impossible man. BTW Goku is telepathic and can read minds so he would know exactly where the Fifth dimension was and since Goku can teleport inter dimensionally it would be a synch.I did. I'll dissagree with part of what you are saying there. I doubt he could read Mxys mind, and even if Goku (nonomnipotent, mind you) could teleport to the 5th dimension it way beyond his or anybody from the 3rd dimension comprehension. He would be screwed big time. Lord know what All those omnipotent beings would do to him.

So what if Lobo can't die,Goku transports him to another dimension,black hole,other side of the universe,take your pick. TRUE, but that's a copout and is cowardly. I'm talking about a fight to the finish, Lobo with or without his hawg, vs Goku.


Hell Galactus as someone else mentioned is a good fight. Even when he's hungry, he can beat back all the marvel universe.

[JINoside]

Originally posted by Kroc1138

TRUE, but that's a copout and is cowardly. I'm talking about a fight to the finish, Lobo with or without his hawg, vs Goku.


Hell Galactus as someone else mentioned is a good fight. Even when he's hungry, he can beat back all the marvel universe.

unfortunately, Lobo would lose man:( he maybe the badest bastich around but unfotunately, hes severely outmatched by goku :( . I'll tell you this though, Lobo COULD beat goku before he fought Vegeta, after that goku would know to many techniques for Lobo. By the way Lobo wouldn't die true but he would unfortunately lose:(

[Phily]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Whats an infusion?

its that thing that trunks and goten does
to become Super Gotenks

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
how is he going to turn him into an elephant? Goku is also Omnipotent ,omniscient. Thats like saying he could turn Galactus into an elephant. Even if he did Goku would transform himself back. Plus Goku has been turned into a chocolate drop and still retained all his power in a fight with majin buu. Mxyzptlk couldn't even beat the impossible man, he turned impossible man ino a slug and impossible turned himself straight back. And again how can a Lobo Physically beat an omnipotent being? its not going to happen. There's a flaw, Galactus isn't omnipotent, he's hella powerful, but is limited. Mxy could take him down if he wanted to.

[JINoside]

Originally posted by Phily
its that thing that trunks and goten does
to become Super Gotenks


He means "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusion ha"!!!;) :D

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by JINoside
unfortunately, Lobo would lose man:( he maybe the badest bastich around but unfotunately, hes severely outmatched by goku :( . I'll tell you this though, Lobo COULD beat goku before he fought Vegeta, after that goku would know to many techniques for Lobo. By the way Lobo wouldn't die true but he would unfortunately lose:( True he is outmatched, but even if Lobo doesn't stand a chance of winning he never backs down or gives up. He can kick the Ass of some Green Lanterns and there powers are nothing to sneeze at. Even though Superman was well on his way to kicking Lobo's ass in MOS #30, he sure wouldn't have backed down.

[JINoside]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
True he is outmatched, but even if Lobo doesn't stand a chance of winning he never backs down or gives up. He can kick the Ass of some Green Lanterns and there powers are nothing to sneeze at. Even though Superman was well on his way to kicking Lobo's ass in MOS #30, he sure wouldn't have backed down.

Ofcourse not, Lobo aint the type to back down from a fight;) . I didnt like the way superman has beaten Lobo, its soo bulls**ty. Lobo could have taken superman down anytime. um.........what issue is MOS #30???:o

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by JINoside
Ofcourse not, Lobo aint the type to back down from a fight;) . I didnt like the way superman has beaten Lobo, its soo bulls**ty. Lobo could have taken superman down anytime. um.........what issue is MOS #30???:o It's when Lobo comes to try to kill Superman b/c heard he came back from the dead, along the way he destroys a planet important to some aliens. Lobo and Supes fight on Earth briefly, but Supes at that time is begining to realize that his powers are increasing (due to Kryptonite X). So the battle is one sided, the Aliens reach Earth and try to kill Lobo with a Blast from their ship. Superman reacts to this other threat by Upercutting Lobo right into space. Lobo and Supes eventually Stop the Aliens. But since Superman threw the Ship thousands of lightyears across space he's lost.

Supes is no pussy, as much as I like Lobo.

[Guyverjay]

So what version of goku do you want to talk about then?

Kid Goku
Normal Adult Goku
Super Saya-jin Goku
Hyper super Saiya-jin Goku
Ascended saya-jin Goku (Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku)
Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
Super Saiya-jin 4 Goku
Super Saiya-jin Goku merged with the Dragonballs
Super Saiya-jin Goku merged with the Dragonballs,One Hundred years later.

Which one?

BTW Galactus is the Second force of reality (behind eternity) If that doesn't make you omnipotent I don't know what does.

[JINoside]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
It's when Lobo comes to try to kill Superman b/c heard he came back from the dead, along the way he destroys a planet important to some aliens. Lobo and Supes fight on Earth briefly, but Supes at that time is begining to realize that his powers are increasing (due to Kryptonite X). So the battle is one sided, the Aliens reach Earth and try to kill Lobo with a Blast from their ship. Superman reacts to this other threat by Upercutting Lobo right into space. Lobo and Supes eventually Stop the Aliens. But since Superman threw the Ship thousands of lightyears across space he's lost.

Supes is no pussy, as much as I like Lobo.

Hahahahaa what a fool i am:o i have that issue:o haha i just read MOS and didnt think it was "Man of Steel";) :D thanks......

[JINoside]

Originally posted by guyverjay


BTW Galactus is the Second force of reality (behind eternity) If that doesn't make you omnipotent I don't know what does.

hhmmm.........wait......you mean to say Eternity is first??
I thought it was The Living Tribunal THEN Eternity then Galactus.........;)

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
So what version of goku do you want to talk about then?

Kid Goku
Normal Adult Goku
Super Saya-jin Goku
Hyper super Saiya-jin Goku
Ascended saya-jin Goku (Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku)
Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
Super Saiya-jin 4 Goku
Super Saiya-jin Goku merged with the Dragonballs
Super Saiya-jin Goku merged with the Dragonballs,One Hundred years later.

Which one?

BTW Galactus is the Second force of reality (behind eternity) If that doesn't make you omnipotent I don't know what does. Any or all short of omnipotent Goku.

If Galactusis omnipotent then why does he need to feed on planet periodically. He wouldn't need to otherwise.

[KniteYxSpydeY]

Same question as why Goku needs to feed.

[Erik Magnus Lehnsherr]

Originally posted by guyverjay
So what version of goku do you want to talk about then?

Kid Goku
Normal Adult Goku
Super Saya-jin Goku
Hyper super Saiya-jin Goku
Ascended saya-jin Goku (Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku)
Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
Super Saiya-jin 4 Goku
Super Saiya-jin Goku merged with the Dragonballs
Super Saiya-jin Goku merged with the Dragonballs,One Hundred years later.

Which one?

BTW Galactus is the Second force of reality (behind eternity) If that doesn't make you omnipotent I don't know what does.

Reason # 2 why DBZ is ridiculous.

[Guyverjay]

Reason # 2 why DBZ is ridiculous.

Thats your opinion,the same thing could be said about freezing someone using the Iron in their blood.

Hey it not like superman hasn't got various incarnations:

Pre crisis
post crisis
Superman Prime
Superman 1 million
Superman Blue
Superman Red
Superboy
not mention the different versions from all the different earths
plus his powers increasing due to being sun dipped or using Kryptonite X.

If Galactusis omnipotent then why does he need to feed on planet periodically

Who knows? All I know is that he is a force of reality,end of.

[JINoside]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Hey it not like superman hasn't got various incarnations:

Pre crisis
post crisis
Superman Prime
Superman 1 million
Superman Blue
Superman Red
Superboy
not mention the different versions from all the different earths
plus his powers increasing due to being sun dipped or using Kryptonite X.



um.......guy.........could you explain the differences and how they became supermen or superman, cuz i always hear about em but dont know jack:confused: :confused: ?...............

[Super Bardock]

Originally posted by Dark Carnage
We have already said that Goku isnt very bright............in day to day life.

However on the battlefeild he is pure genius. And cant be matched.
Why do people keep bringing the "Genius on the battlefield" thing up? I would consider Woverine more of a genius on the battlefield than Goku, but it's not like Wolvie cold beat Goku, so who cares if you're a genius? It matters how powerful you are.
And another thing, Goku wouldn't be able to beat Galactus because if Galactus dies, it would cause a big bang. Even if Goku could survive a big bang, he would have to live in a universe without anyone else for millions of years. The universe would just start over.

[MJB]

Originally posted by JINoside
hhmmm.........wait......you mean to say Eternity is first??
I thought it was The Living Tribunal THEN Eternity then Galactus.........;)

Don't forget the Celestials, they aren't pushovers. The Celestials are right up there with Galactus, and it hasn't been said that Galactus can take out the Celestials.

[Kurosawa]

All things equal, I'd give Goku a slight edge over pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman, due to superior fighting skills. Imagine Earth 1 Superman with Batman/Cap level fighting skills...that's Goku.

Here's who should beat all of the characters mentioned in this thread: The Spectre. Pre-Crisis Superman wasn't even close to a threat to him, and he is the right hand of the Creator. So just remember, all who can beat who arguements end with Spectre.

One more thing: no matter who's the most powerful, Goku's comic (manga) Dragon Ball Z, absolutely annihiliates anything DC or Marvel has published for years. It's the closest I've found to the comics I loved as a kid. When American comics got too snooty and elitist and became ashamed of being comics, that's when I bailed out. Thankfully, I had seen DBZ Hyper Dimension on Super Famicom around 1992, so I found something new since all my comics heroes were either dead or ruined.

[Guyverjay]

DBZ began as a manga by Akira Toriyama under the named "Dragon Ball"; it was serialized in Japan's Shonen Jump magazine, where it ran from 1984 to 1995. The success of Dragon Ball drove sales of that mag up to 6.5 million copies WEEKLY at one point. I've also read somewhere that DB/Z manga have sold more units than any publication ever published.

Actually IMO all vs arguments end with the Living Tribunal

[JINoside]

Originally posted by guyverjay


Actually IMO all vs arguments end with the Living Tribunal

Basically:rolleyes: ;) , Living Tribunal is stronger than any cosmic beign put together and thats a lot of power in the marvel universe:D .....

[JINoside]

Originally posted by MJB
Don't forget the Celestials, they aren't pushovers. The Celestials are right up there with Galactus, and it hasn't been said that Galactus can take out the Celestials.

Well, sad for me to say i don't know much about them:o , im only mentioning them because of what i've read; like in the Infinity Watch, Living Tribunal's basically the judge, Eternity and Galactus come next:o ;) ........thats atleast what i know.........

[Captain America]

Some of you may agree with me here and some may disagree IMO if any of you have read the Comics involving Electro you might see him as a worthy opponent for Goku. He's got the Ki type power (his Electricity) to match that of Goku's, he can fly, and disappear (Electric form). So that's my pick!

ELECTRO!

[Kurosawa]

I'm aware of the history of DBZ..I just encountered the games first. I used to watch it all in Japanese, until I finally found some fansubs. I've been into it for around 10 years. Anyway, Spectre is portrayed in DC's comics as the most powerful being in the universe, next to God. In fact, they've even done stories where he's need new powers or more power and asked God for them. Which makes him very difficult to write and best used sparingly. There's nothing from Marvel's universe I could see as even close to his power level. He's actually too powerful to be a workable character.

[Captain America]

There's nothing from Marvel's universe I could see as even close to his power level. He's actually too powerful to be a workable character.

Gonna have to agree with you there. When Akira created DBZ I don't think he had Marvel/DC in mind. So therefore he wanted fighters that would go unmatched, and well he got them. There may be some fighters out there who'd get a cheap shot on him but i'd doubt it'd hurt 'em.

[Guyverjay]

Living Tribuanal is the marvel equivalent (being gods right hand man) to the spectre and IMO owns the spectre for the simple reason that the tribunal was never once a human being. Spectre is hal jordan, he may have the power of the spectre be hes still has the mind of a man,thats a weakness in my book.

[Kurosawa]

I was actually refering to Spectre not Goku, but yes, he was never meant to be compared with Dc/Marvel characters.

As for the Hal Jordan Spectre, I've not read anything with him. I quit reading American comics around 3 years ago and DC comics around 1986. I was refering to the pre-Crisis Jim Corrigan Spectre, who was infinitely powerful as portrayed in the old DC Comics. The pre-Crisis, world moving, sun flying through, nigh omnipotent Superman couldn't even touch him. He could also alter his size and throw planets around like basketballs. I don't think any character could handle Spectre because he was once human, and therefore has a vengeful edge. Imagine Living Tribunal with Frank Castle's attitude.

[JINoside]

Living Tribunal has no feeling:rolleyes: Hes as said god-right hand man. He has 3 faces but i forgot what they meant and i dont want to look in the comics neither at this time. Right now, that i know of, Hal's the Specter.Living Tribunal's gods representative........

[MJB]

Originally posted by JINoside
Living Tribunal has no feeling:rolleyes: Hes as said god-right hand man. He has 3 faces but i forgot what they meant and i dont want to look in the comics neither at this time. Right now, that i know of, Hal's the Specter.Living Tribunal's gods representative........

The 3 faces of the tribunal represents Past, Present, and Future.

[JINoside]

Ah yes, it rings a bell. Sank you;) . I need to find more back issues of the Infinity Watch and Silver Surfer though:o :o ........

[Eomer]

silver surfer

[Guyverjay]

http://www.geekshelf.com/gallery/geno/scans/superman_vs_goku.jpeg

nuff said

[Dark Carnage]

Lol!

[jose-man]

Kid Buu.

:D :) :cool: :p

[Dark Carnage]

Not at the end of GT.

But anyway, this is guy from Marvel or DC.

[Captain America]

That's an awesome picture of Goku & Supes, I saved it. The way Wizards explains the fight, it looks like Supes would actually have a chance. If that were the case, Goku vs Superman would rock ass. (Though if Goku went SSJ4/3 The Man Of Steel would quickly become The Midget Of Steel)

[dmcnx]

Im gonna post this even though i know jack ***** about superman or Goku beyond the kid buu saga. But seriously?What the hell happened to kryptonite?goku could just shove kryptonite up supermans a$$hole or something.But all of you comic book guys please dont get mad at me.i am a simple man who knows nothing of comics.

[Guyverjay]

Goku would actually have to have Kryptonite you see? and since I doubt theres a supermarket that sells it.It's doubtful Goku would have any.

Goku doesn't need any anyway he'd still whup supes ass:D

[dmcnx]

all he'd have to do is teleport to whatever planet kryptonite is made on.The bad guys in superman have no trouble getting it,and thats the ones with no powers.

[Guyverjay]

Yes but they know that kryptonite is supes weakness Goku does not. BTW Kryptonite is actually part of Superman's homeplanet Krypton. When the planet blew up parts of it got to earth and that is what Kryptonite is.

[dmcnx]

if supermans planet is made of kryptonite then why is he allergic to it?

[Hyper Venom]

Earth's son affects Kryptonite, just like it affects him. So when he's on Krypton, he's as weak/strong as your average human being, cuz they have a red sun. So kryptonite is your average everyday rock over there, like he's your average man. Put them in Earth's yellow sun, it becomes superradioactive just like it makes him Superman.

[Kroc1138]

Oh here's someone that can take on Goku. Hank Henshaw the Cyborg. Not only does he have all of Supes powers but he is the master of technology. both conventional and Alien, in fact he is not even a physical form his is pure energy. Goku would have to destroy all technology in the entire Universe to supress him. Lord Know what would happen if Henshaw got a hold of Kryptonite X.

[Guyverjay]

So how was he beaten?
I doubt all the tech in the universe was destroyed

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
So how was he beaten?
I doubt all the tech in the universe was destroyed He wasn't beaten or killed, but his energy form has been captured by Darkseid and he is still a underused but recurring villain. I think he was trapped in the phantom zone.

[JINoside]

Look simple fact is unless its a supreme beign like the Specter or Living Tribunal, theyres nothing that would stop goku in either universe................Oh and Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet;) ....................

[Lord Blackbolt]

Black Bolt:p :p :p

[Corinthian™]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
Black Bolt:p :p :p Black Bolt's from Marvel :p

[Guyverjay]

Plus a level 3 super sayan can destroy the universe with HIS scream so that completely outclasses blackbolt in everyway

[JINoside]

A UNIVERSE:eek: :eek: Are you sure? I was thinking more like a solar system?...............

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by JINoside
A UNIVERSE:eek: :eek: Are you sure? I was thinking more like a solar system?...............

yup I'm sure.

Buu started screaming like a baby when he was getting whuped by Vegito and was tearing holes in the space time continum uncontrollably. King Kai stated that if he isn't stopped the universe itself will collapse. Now Gotenks demonstrated he could do the same thing when he and Piccolo were trapped in Dimensional limbo.

[JINoside]

Originally posted by guyverjay
yup I'm sure.

Buu started screaming like a baby when he was getting whuped by Vegito and was tearing holes in the space time continum uncontrollably. King Kai stated that if he isn't stopped the universe itself will collapse. Now Gotenks demonstrated he could do the same thing when he and Piccolo were trapped in Dimensional limbo.

Amazing simply Amazing, guess that only leaves it up to the people i said then:p ;) :D ...........

[Lord Blackbolt]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Plus a level 3 super sayan can destroy the universe with HIS scream so that completely outclasses blackbolt in everyway

So.. Bolt bolt could do that too... if he wanted.:p :p :p :p

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
So.. Bolt bolt could do that too... if he wanted.:p :p :p :p

Who is bolt bolt?:D

[Phily]

i don't know if anyone from marvel or DC could beat goku...but i would say these guys would give goku a sweating fight:

DC:
superman
parallax - GL with 10 rings!!!
Doomsday
Darkseid


Marvel:
Silver Surfer
Thanos with infinite gems
Adam Warlock
Hulk
(I can't think of anyone else...i'll get back on this one)

[JINoside]

Darkseid would get rocked since hes not a REAL fighter................

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by JINoside
Darkseid would get rocked since hes not a REAL fighter................

Yeah he would use his omega beams Goku would laugh then knock his head off:D

[Kroc1138]

Another thing about Henshaw (Cyborg) is that He could take Goku's DNA and perhap hybrid it with Superman's Kryptonian DNA. Imagine that A Kryptonian/Sayian. Henshaw would have the best of both worlds, both of their powers. Henshaw is a genius but theonly thing that hinders it is the fact that he's a psycho.

He would give Goku one hell of a fight.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
Another thing about Henshaw (Cyborg) is that He could take Goku's DNA and perhap hybrid it with Superman's Kryptonian DNA. Imagine that A Kryptonian/Sayian. Henshaw would have the best of both worlds, both of their powers. Henshaw is a genius but theonly thing that hinders it is the fact that he's a psycho.

He would give Goku one hell of a fight.

Hmm he could do that but a sayans power is urned through training from the moment they can walk, just having sayan DNA doesn't guarantee you'll have their power.

Plus Goku has already fought a being who had the DNA and fighting abilities of him,Vegita,Piccollo,tien,Freiza and Krillyn all in one. That was Cell.

[Lord Blackbolt]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Who is bolt bolt?:D

That's my nick name for him :p :p :p

[Zenien]

I hate all you dragon ball Z fans. I hate you all with all the hateful passion my hate filled heart can muster...

DBZ IS SO STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THEN A PASSING INTEREST IN IT ARE EVEN STUPIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
I
HATE DBZ AND ALL IT"S OVER POWERFUL CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
LAME CHARACTERS LAME STORYLINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STUPID POWER HOUSES THEY BECOME BECAUSE IT"S COOL OR SOMECRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**** YOU ALL YOU DBZ IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*takes a deep breath...*

ok...I'm better now. Just needed to get that off my chest, no cause for alarm.

[Captain America]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
That's my nick name for him :p :p :p

That's very true, Black Bolt would completely annhiliate Goku.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Captain America
That's very true, Black Bolt would completely annhiliate Goku.

Riiiiggghhhhttttttttttttt

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Zenien
I hate all you dragon ball Z fans. I hate you all with all the hateful passion my hate filled heart can muster...

DBZ IS SO STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THEN A PASSING INTEREST IN IT ARE EVEN STUPIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
I
HATE DBZ AND ALL IT"S OVER POWERFUL CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
LAME CHARACTERS LAME STORYLINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STUPID POWER HOUSES THEY BECOME BECAUSE IT"S COOL OR SOMECRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**** YOU ALL YOU DBZ IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*takes a deep breath...*

ok...I'm better now. Just needed to get that off my chest, no cause for alarm.

riiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttt

[Zenien]

Actually Blackbolt would take Goku out.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Zenien
Actually Blackbolt would take Goku out.

riiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttt.

i'll say this one more time. A level 3 super sayan can destroy the universe by screaming.

When:

A) Blackbolt can destroy the universe with HIS scream
B) Travel multiple times the speed of light
C) Masters every martial art in the universe
D) Can Destroy the planet with his little finger using less than 1% of his overall power.
E) Teleport
F) Becomes Omnipotent
G) Can TAKE a planet destroying blast


ect etc then get back to me. Otherwise BB wouldget beaten in roughly 2 seconds.

They call Goku ridiculously over powered for a reason you know.

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Hmm he could do that but a sayans power is urned through training from the moment they can walk, just having sayan DNA doesn't guarantee you'll have their power.

Plus Goku has already fought a being who had the DNA and fighting abilities of him,Vegita,Piccollo,tien,Freiza and Krillyn all in one. That was Cell. Quite true, I anticipated that you would say that. But since Henshaw is part machine and is a genius he could possibly learn what Goku Learned in a very short period of time. He has shown the abilty to learn thing at an incredible rate. Would that help him? Perhaps. All I know is that as long as Goku doesn't know he is in fact the Purest of energy, (which he might divulge because he is also very arrogant) then Goku has one hell of a fight on his hands.

Damn as I was thinking this another great Idea popped into my head for my DC/Marvel/DBZ fanfic crossover.:D

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
Quite true, I anticipated that you would say that. But since Henshaw is part machine and is a genius he could possibly learn what Goku Learned in a very short period of time. He has shown the abilty to learn thing at an incredible rate. Would that help him? Perhaps. All I know is that as long as Goku doesn't know he is in fact the Purest of energy, (which he might divulge because he is also very arrogant) then Goku has one hell of a fight on his hands.

Damn as I was thinking this another great Idea popped into my head for my DC/Marvel/DBZ fanfic crossover.:D

Sounds intriguing but learning and performing are two different things. I could memorise every martial arts movie and book in the history of the world (obviously I can't:D ) but does that mean I would be a martial arts expert?

[SonGoku]

I love Supes, THor is strong as hell and the Hulk is a beast .. I have collected Comics years before getting into DragonBall, But there is something about Goku, He never gives up. Besides he could blow up a whole planet. And how would Galactus eat if he's starving to death.

[Thanos]

I think Thanos would give him a hell of a time.

Knowledge is power.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Check this out people.....

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47492

:rolleyes:

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
Check this out people.....

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47492

:rolleyes: That's how the Cyborg works!!! He gathers knowledge. He's a genius. His disadvantages, which are very sever and are a great way for bringing down the Cyborg, are his extreme arrogance and the fact that he is a psychopath who is extremelt delusional. May be I sould add that to my post. But ASM do you homework before you trash my thread, it's a winnable scenario for either.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Then list the advantages and disadvantages of both. Don't just list the advantages Cyborg and the disadvantages of Goku.

[kang]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
That's how the Cyborg works!!! He gathers knowledge. He's a genius. His disadvantages, which are very sever and are a great way for bringing down the Cyborg, are his extreme arrogance and the fact that he is a psychopath who is extremelt delusional. May be I sould add that to my post. But ASM do you homework before you trash my thread, it's a winnable scenario for either.
If understanding DNA and splicing it with other species Cell would be the ultimate creature.
Cell was created from the DNA of all the most powerful creatures (including Goku and Freeza who are both stronger than Superman) in the universe and he failed, heck he was killed by a little kid.
This cyborg doesn't seem to have anything Gou can't handle.

[JINoside]

He doesn't. GL beat him already..........

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by JINoside
He doesn't. GL beat him already.......... When did that Happen?? I don't seem to recall.

[JINoside]

I would gladdly tell you the issue # but i didn't even look at that. I read it at a friends house, Cyborg was like looking at Hal behind a small asteroid and they fought and he got beaten. Hal was really pissed to because the elders from DA had betrayed(i think) Hal and didn't help him in something so he was pissed and on his way to see em when Cyborg popped out and they fought. He was giving it to Hal but he was pissed and didn't hold back..............

[Sofa King]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
But since Henshaw is part machine and is a genius he could possibly learn what Goku Learned in a very short period of time. He has shown the abilty to learn thing at an incredible rate.


Don't count on it. While Goku may not be classically a genius, his ability to learn when it comes to the martial arts is amazing. He advances farther in his lifetime than even the Gods in their entire lifetimes.

PS-
There is ONE set of characters who I can think of that can actually pose a threat to the DBZ chars- the ones from Neil Gaiman's Sandman series (the endless, Lucifer...)

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by JINoside
I would gladdly tell you the issue # but i didn't even look at that. I read it at a friends house, Cyborg was like looking at Hal behind a small asteroid and they fought and he got beaten. Hal was really pissed to because the elders from DA had betrayed(i think) Hal and didn't help him in something so he was pissed and on his way to see em when Cyborg popped out and they fought. He was giving it to Hal but he was pissed and didn't hold back.............. Was that Before or after he became Parallax?

[JINoside]

Before, he was In the process. He was goin to DA if i remenber correctly where he argued and then went out on the quest for the rings. Hal was to pissed and determined thats why...............

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by kang
If understanding DNA and splicing it with other species Cell would be the ultimate creature.
Cell was created from the DNA of all the most powerful creatures (including Goku and Freeza who are both stronger than Superman) in the universe and he failed, heck he was killed by a little kid.
This cyborg doesn't seem to have anything Gou can't handle. Well, the Cyborg is very resilient, and the Only thing that has really hindered him was his psychotic nature and his arrogance.

My theory is that since Henshaw can learn very sophisticated DNA in a short period of time, and various other things, can he with the knowledge of a huge majority of the DBZ Universe and it's history use Goku's DNA and have most or all of his powers??

I heard some other way that Henshaw can beat Goku, but they sound a bit silly. Remember this is not my arguement but one from another board.

1. I heard that perhaps with knowledge of Goku's DNA Henshaw can create a viral or Chemical agent that can hurt Goku, since he is apparently suseptable to them.

2. The Doomsday Angle: Since Henshaw also apparently has Doomsday's DNA on file (which he hasn't used before, Go figure) he can Hybrid that into a Kryptonian/Saiyan/Ultimate being amalgamation.

Don't take these too seriously, esp. the latter.

[dmcnx]

I know someone who could beat goku.............Sonic the hedgehog. Nah, im jokin.i dont really read DC so ill just say some characters that could challenge Goku (then get killed)

Spiderman:Shoot a web ball at Goku. Goku instant translocates then fires a kameihameiha (sp?).Spider man dies instantly.

Iron man:Tries to shoot Goku. Goku kicks his butt,then feels slight pity (the heart thing). Iron man survives.

Superman(and by super man i mean SUPERMAN Superman,Not pre crisis superman,not post crisis superman, not super duper alpha omega laser beam robot painful superman, just superman):Both start fighting.They are destroying earth,so they move somewhere new,then start fighting again. Im getteing tired so eventuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly Goku wins. I dont know why or how and yes i have realized that superman in DC and so is.......................

Batman: Dont even ask. He loses and everyone knows why *coughcoughHE SUCKScoughcough*

And just for the fun of it.........

Sonic the hedgehog:rolls into a ball. Gets stepped on.Then blasted.Then stepped on again.

[kang]

pfft as if.
Batman would kick Gokus ass... with prep time.:p

[dmcnx]

hmmmmmmmmm. can someone tell me what batman andsuperman would be called if they fused?
Wouldnt wouldnt that be confusing?
Anyway batman could never win,even if he fused with all marvel/DC characters.......okay,he mightbut it would be a fight. and sry if im talkin about fusing alot but i just watch the fusion saga (again)so its kinda stuck in my head.

[Sofa King]

Bruce Kent?
Clark Wayen?
Blark?
Cluce?

[dmcnx]

lol.Blark Went. or Cluce Kayne

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by Kroc1138
Well, the Cyborg is very resilient, and the Only thing that has really hindered him was his psychotic nature and his arrogance.

My theory is that since Henshaw can learn very sophisticated DNA in a short period of time, and various other things, can he with the knowledge of a huge majority of the DBZ Universe and it's history use Goku's DNA and have most or all of his powers??

I heard some other way that Henshaw can beat Goku, but they sound a bit silly. Remember this is not my arguement but one from another board.

1. I heard that perhaps with knowledge of Goku's DNA Henshaw can create a viral or Chemical agent that can hurt Goku, since he is apparently suseptable to them.

2. The Doomsday Angle: Since Henshaw also apparently has Doomsday's DNA on file (which he hasn't used before, Go figure) he can Hybrid that into a Kryptonian/Saiyan/Ultimate being amalgamation.

Don't take these too seriously, esp. the latter.

Ok, but technically, wouldn't they be able to just use those same scenarios against anyone?

*Cyborg comes to Earth*

Cyborg: I have come to Earth! Hahaha.

*Enter a hero who Cyborg has never fought*

Hero Who Cyborg Has Never Fought: Halt! You must leave Earth!

Cyborg: Just try and make me, Hero Who Cyborg...err...I...Have Never Fought.

Hero Who Cyborg Has Never Fought: I will!

Cyborg: But you can't! Because I, Cyborg, know everything about you due to my travelling of the universe and have collected DNA from you, Hero Who I Have Never Fought, and have infused it into myself, with all your strengths and none of your weaknesses!

Hero Who Cyborg Has Never Fought: When and how did you do that?

Cyborg: I don't know, but I did! Hahaha! Earth is mine! Hahaha!

:p

[Lord Blackbolt]

Originally posted by Zenien
I hate all you dragon ball Z fans. I hate you all with all the hateful passion my hate filled heart can muster...

DBZ IS SO STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THEN A PASSING INTEREST IN IT ARE EVEN STUPIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
I
HATE DBZ AND ALL IT"S OVER POWERFUL CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
LAME CHARACTERS LAME STORYLINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STUPID POWER HOUSES THEY BECOME BECAUSE IT"S COOL OR SOMECRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**** YOU ALL YOU DBZ IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*takes a deep breath...*

ok...I'm better now. Just needed to get that off my chest, no cause for alarm.

I agree... All the characters are stupid and the storylines are unoriginal... The MOST over rated Anime series ever....

[Lord Blackbolt]

Originally posted by guyverjay
riiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttt.

i'll say this one more time. A level 3 super sayan can destroy the universe by screaming.

When:

A) Blackbolt can destroy the universe with HIS scream
B) Travel multiple times the speed of light
C) Masters every martial art in the universe
D) Can Destroy the planet with his little finger using less than 1% of his overall power.
E) Teleport
F) Becomes Omnipotent
G) Can TAKE a planet destroying blast


ect etc then get back to me. Otherwise BB wouldget beaten in roughly 2 seconds.

They call Goku ridiculously over powered for a reason you know.

But Black Bolt is cooler than Goku:p :p

[Sofa King]

Originally posted by captain cocanut
Originally posted by Zenien
I hate all you dragon ball Z fans. I hate you all with all the hateful passion my hate filled heart can muster...

DBZ IS SO STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THEN A PASSING INTEREST IN IT ARE EVEN STUPIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!
I
HATE DBZ AND ALL IT"S OVER POWERFUL CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
LAME CHARACTERS LAME STORYLINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STUPID POWER HOUSES THEY BECOME BECAUSE IT"S COOL OR SOMECRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**** YOU ALL YOU DBZ IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*takes a deep breath...*

ok...I'm better now. Just needed to get that off my chest, no cause for alarm.


I'd get a better grasp of the english language before I used it to call someone stupid if I were you. Of course, if I were you then that would make me a total idiot, so I guess I might not after all.

[Brodie Bruce]

Silver surfer is just a Goku with a surfboard, seriously the similarities are frightening

both sent t oa planet to destroy it(more or less for the srfer) and both don't destroy it

both got those wicked energy blasts

etc.

[Mixairian]

Originally posted by Lobo of Krypton
Well, who would put up the best fight? Superman, Thor, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer any others you can think of?

My money would be on God. If the creator of all of existece can't do it then there is not hope.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Well, people do say that Batman can beat God, even if he does have to use prep-time. :D

[dmcnx]

as i stated earlier: *coughcoughBATMAN SUCKScoughcough*.how could he beat god when he couldnt even beat the green lantern. even with 'prep-time'(what the hell is that) batman could never beat God.

[Hulk1968]

Hulk beat funny man with pointy hair!! Hulk give haircut too!! Hulk laugh now, beat Goku later!!

Actually, all joking aside, DBZ was (still is) one of the best, if not longest drawn out animated series I ever witnessed!!

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
Ok, but technically, wouldn't they be able to just use those same scenarios against anyone?

*Cyborg comes to Earth*

Cyborg: I have come to Earth! Hahaha.

*Enter a hero who Cyborg has never fought*

Hero Who Cyborg Has Never Fought: Halt! You must leave Earth!

Cyborg: Just try and make me, Hero Who Cyborg...err...I...Have Never Fought.

Hero Who Cyborg Has Never Fought: I will!

Cyborg: But you can't! Because I, Cyborg, know everything about you due to my travelling of the universe and have collected DNA from you, Hero Who I Have Never Fought, and have infused it into myself, with all your strengths and none of your weaknesses!

Hero Who Cyborg Has Never Fought: When and how did you do that?

Cyborg: I don't know, but I did! Hahaha! Earth is mine! Hahaha!

:p Again your laziness is very prevalent in anything you post. You think Henshaw has the overwhelming advantage, when in fact it is totally winnable for either of them. Look into it before you post responses, It's getting a little annoying that you can't provide a scenario where Goku can win. I can.

[Outsiderzedge]

Can Superman defeat Henshaw without using Henshaw's emotional or mental weaknesses? Can Superman defeat Henshaw flat out? Defeat being simply subdueing or incapacitating him.

[dmcnx]

whos henshaw?

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by dmcnx
whos henshaw?

The Cyborg superman

[dmcnx]

oh.ok

[Kroc1138]

Originally posted by Outsiderzedge
Can Superman defeat Henshaw without using Henshaw's emotional or mental weaknesses? Can Superman defeat Henshaw flat out? Defeat being simply subdueing or incapacitating him. Technically No. But Superman can withstand practally everything Henshaw can throw at him. But Look at this scenario. Say You have both Superman become Superman Prime and have Henshaw do Likewise. Henshaw will have the advantage because not only would his Kryptonian half be much more powerful but his machine/energy half would be likewise. He'd be able to use his amplified kryptonian powers, plus his machine/energy half could potentially controll all technolgy in the universe.

[kang]

I still don't think Henshaw stands a chance.
Cell was basically Saiyan DNA spliced with the greatest fighters in the universe (almost all stronger than supes) and he lost to a little kid.

[dmcnx]

ooh.that was a good point

[JINoside]

:sigh::rolleyes:........look.........im goin to say this one more time........the only character in Marvel and or DC that would not only give Goku a fight but erase him is the Living tribunal. Anything other than that is dust..............

[kang]

Originally posted by JINoside
:sigh::rolleyes:........look.........im goin to say this one more time........the only character in Marvel and or DC that would not only give Goku a fight but erase him is the Living tribunal. Anything other than that is dust..............

Here are the facts I found on this character
---------------

(Universe: Marvel) Ultimate protector of the cosmic balance in all multiverses. The Tribunal has three faces. One, uncovered, is the face of equity, the face it normally uses when speaking. The second face, half-hooded, is the face of just revenge. The third face, completely hooded, represents necessity. All three faces must agree to reach a verdict, but once it has been reached, it is irreversible without a direct appeal to the Tribunal. The Living Tribunal only intervenes in matters of the gravest importance, beyond the ability of even cosmic beings to control, and his power is unsurpassed. He can cause a star to supernova or obliterate sections of a universe, if such actions are deemed necessary for balance. Some of his most notable known actions were the ruling that kept the Infinity Gems from being united; his rescinding that order, and subsequent restoration of it, during the Infinity War; a campaign against the godlike Korvac in a divergent timeline, wherein he obliterated Earth's solar system in a last-ditch attempt to stop him, and then sealed that timeline from all others; and, with the Spectre (1), preventing the DC and Marvel continua from being wiped out by the two Brothers.

----------

He can cause supernovas and wipe out galaxys?
Goku can do that.

I stand by my first reaction when looking at this threads title.
Anything stronger than Goku is going to be omni-potent and Goku eventually becomes omni-potent anyway.

[JINoside]

I can't believe im defending the Living tribunal:eek::rolleyes:, oh well. Could Goku erase everything in exsistance? Galaxys, Universes, Milky Ways:D, Past, present, Future timlines? what ever you call it, could Goku do all of that?. Im even surprised that your defending Goku agaisn't the Tribunal, thats like...crazy...........

[kang]

Originally posted by JINoside
I can't believe im defending the Living tribunal:eek::rolleyes:, oh well. Could Goku erase everything in exsistance? Galaxys, Universes, Milky Ways:D, Past, present, Future timlines? what ever you call it, could Goku do all of that?. Im even surprised that your defending Goku agaisn't the Tribunal, thats like...crazy...........
Goku could destroy the entire univerese.

If the Living Tribunal can change timelines and whatever then he's omni-potent.
Goku becomes omni-potent at the end of GT by fusing with the Dragonballs.
An omni-potent being can't be defeated because it's omni-potent.

[JINoside]

Adam Warlock was defitnely "Omnipotent" when he had the Infinity Gauntlet, It had six gems. The power,soul,time,space,reality and mind which when combined together you would be nothin sort of GOD which could control,erase and create EVERYTHING in exsistance. He could read and fell every single mind and soul alive in the universe when he had it. He was by any means 'Omnipotent'; and even with all that power he wasn't the strongest beign in the universe. The Tribunal has his own separate Universe by the way that Adam through an angry fit tried to destroy everything in it and was goin to sucseed, but in the next panel everything was stop and adam baffled(you could see it in his face to). It was the tribunal with but a mere thought changed things back to normal. The Tribunals the Supreme judge of EVERYTHING in exsistance. Omnipotent or not, IF Goku posses a thread to the Universe or in other words a "Cosmic Inbalance" he will be dealt with and most likelly erased. If you don't know that much about the The Living Tribunal i suggest you read "Warlock and the Infinity watch" starting from issue #1(i have it BTW), which has the story i just described above. Siriouslly, you can't argue agaisn't The Living Tribunal................

[kang]

which when combined together you would be nothin sort of GOD
I think you mean "short rather than "sort"

You can argue against the living tribunal.
The dragonballs allow anything and I mean ANYTHING to be done.

Goku fuses with them. Meaning he has that power.
He effectivly becomes God.
In other words omni-potent. (If something can be stopped by the way, as is the case with Adam Warlock then it is not omni-potent)

[Guyverjay]

Anotther thing that has to be said is the DBZ universe isn't under the living tribunal reign so his power doesn't rule there. Goku's does. So it all depends what universe there in and even then its a stalemate.

[kang]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Anotther thing that has to be said is the DBZ universe isn't under the living tribunal reign so his power doesn't rule there. Goku's does. So it all depends what universe there in and even then its a stalemate.
Also once a being becomes truly omni-potent they transcend time.
So no other beings can stop their creation as they have technically always existed.

[CHAN MAN]

dbz is on a whole nother level to marvel and dc ppl, as "guyverjay" has said many times, dbz pplz blow up planets, galaxies, at will. they move much faster then the speed of light, some of them have telekinetic powers, teleportation, create energy balls the size of half a planet(and probably bigger), and so on. the only ppl that actually stand a chance to goku, would be galactus, mayb phoenix, thanos and the infinite gauntlet. as for dc, no one in dc even comes close to standing a chance, super man would be dc's greatest asset and goku outclass's him in every way. the only thing super man has that goku doesnt would be his damn xray eyes and his gay dorky costume.

[dmcnx]

lol

[Sofa King]

Originally posted by CHAN MAN
dbz is on a whole nother level to marvel and dc ppl, as "guyverjay" has said many times, dbz pplz blow up planets, galaxies, at will. they move much faster then the speed of light, some of them have telekinetic powers, teleportation, create energy balls the size of half a planet(and probably bigger), and so on. the only ppl that actually stand a chance to goku, would be galactus, mayb phoenix, thanos and the infinite gauntlet. as for dc, no one in dc even comes close to standing a chance, super man would be dc's greatest asset and goku outclass's him in every way. the only thing super man has that goku doesnt would be his damn xray eyes and his gay dorky costume.

Actually, DC's most powerful characters are from 'The Sandman'.

[Captain America]

Originally posted by Sofa King
Actually, DC's most powerful characters are from 'The Sandman'.

For real? I downloaded the Comic from Kazaa, I guess i'm gonna have to read it.

[Hulk1968]

Originally posted by dmario
first to go?
(and in order I might add)

Batman. As resourcefull as he is, sorry he's human.

Flash: he might try to go back in time and stop him (using his time-treadmill device from CRISIS)
Goku would still catch him racing towards him at 500mph with a deadly clothesline.

Martian Manhunter: FIRE.

Wonder Woman: Son Goku would
have a hard time fighting a girl, he would avoid every punch until she landed one on him good. LEFT, RIGHT, Body BLOW! the Amazon is out with all her ribs broken.

Robin: Holy Escape pods I'm gettin outta here!
__________________________________________________ __ LMAO!!! Holy Escape PODS!! hahahahahahahahahahahahaarr
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GreenLantern: he would get the best of Goku until he gets pissed and you guessed it,
*KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!* Super SaiyaJin, Yellow hair and energy field. its over GL. death is quick and easy.
__________________________________________________ __ GL : " Oh crap.....yellow....hair....getting...........weak. ......"
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Superman: Can we say Doomsday all over again? Neither will ever give up, Superman bloody and beaten after Goku blows up a small continent clouding the sky with dust and the sun's rays can not penetrate it. suddenly a senzu is tossed to Goku and his energy is revitalized.
*Kaaaaa Meeeeee Haaaaa Me.....HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!*
Superman is blown off the earth, and into the sun suffering a fate not unlike Freeza's brother Coola.

Goku powers down and passes out.
he grabs for his chest but can't breathe, he has been imapled by the caped crusader. who played possum and slips back into the shadows...like I said earlier... resourceful.
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Very funny and very true!! Ha! Ha ! Har!! Sorry. I had to add more!!
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[Lobo]

Actually the Spectre is DC's most powerful character, he is the representation of the wrath of God.

[kang]

Originally posted by Lobo of Krypton
Actually the Spectre is DC's most powerful character, he is the representation of the wrath of God.
Details?:confused:

[Lobo]

The story goes something like this long ago God was vengeful and created a spirit to act upon his wrath (The Spectre) all of the biblical plagues the Spectre caused those. When Jesus was born God went from vengeful to forgiving and needed something to come The Specter so he decided that a human soul who sought justice be attached, first it was Jim Corrigan a cop who was wrongly murdered and currently is Hal Jordan. No one in DC can touch him. And with the Living Tribunal created the Amalgam universe. Hope this helps a little.

[kang]

Originally posted by Lobo of Krypton
The story goes something like this long ago God was vengeful and created a spirit to act upon his wrath (The Spectre) all of the biblical plagues the Spectre caused those. When Jesus was born God went from vengeful to forgiving and needed something to come The Specter so he decided that a human soul who sought justice be attached, first it was Jim Corrigan a cop who was wrongly murdered and currently is Hal Jordan. No one in DC can touch him. And with the Living Tribunal created the Amalgam universe. Hope this helps a little.
Any examples of his powers?:confused:

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by kang
Any examples of his powers?:confused:

He basically DC's equivalent to the Tribunal, but the times i've seen him he never seems to do anything.

In Kingdom come he did nothing but watch, in Zero hour he battled parallax and needed help. Even then he got hurt and I wasn't impressed with Parallax at all. Sounds like something you take to relieve constipation:D

Spectre and Tribunal didn't make the Amalgam universe to my knowledge unless they showed that in the individual titles. Because in the Marvel vs DC crossover it was the two brothers merging into one that made the amalgam universe.

[CHAN MAN]

goku still wins! he is too cool for ne dc character!

[Lobo]

They did show that in one of the individual titles. I'll give you wich issue later cause I don't remember offf the top of my head but in Spectre volume 3 #52 Zeus threw a lightning bolt at him and he just caught like it was nothing.

[Nathan]

No one, you hear me, no one beats Goku!!! May it be Henshaw, Thanos, Darkseid or even Galactus! http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/sauer/angry-smiley-030.gif
(Exceptions are The Spectre, The Living Tribunal and the Beyonder.)

And I'm not talking about "omnipotent" Goku, because for me Dragonball: GT is nothing more than bull****. I mean Goku when he reaches Saiyan Level 3. Cell alone had the energy to destroy an entire solar system (and he was only on the Ultra Level), and Goku as an Ultra Saiyajin is even stronger than Gohan was when he beat Cell.

And don't forget that Goku can even reach the third Saiyan level, The Mega Saiyan!! Now imagine what he could do.

And don't give me that pre-crisis Superman crap. That's even more ridiculous than DB:GT.

(Wow...lot's of "And's")

"Could move planets with his blow." [Dr.Evil] Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! [/Dr.Evil] :rolleyes:

http://216.40.249.192/s/cwm/3dlil/nonono2.gif
I can't even understand that some people say Lobo could beat Goku. While Lobo get's ready for a punch, Goku would beat him to a pulp in less than 2-3 seconds. Lobo may be strong, but he's not the fastest. (yeah I know, Lobo is immortal. Then he regenerates and gets beaten to a pulp again, regenerates, gets beaten, regenerates, gets beaten. An endless loop of ass whooping)


I really like both, DC and Marvel. But no one can beat Goku of either universe. Everyone who watches DBZ would know that.

That's all I have to say. Except I get mad at someones post, then I'll be back. http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/cwm/cwm/disgust.gif


PS. If you find grammar errors. keep them!


EDIT Ok, I forgot someone else that can beat Goku. Professor Charles Xavier, or any other strong Telepath. But that's it! :mad: end edit

[CHAN MAN]

nathan is exactly right!

[darth_coolius]

Originally posted by Nathan
No one, you hear me, no one beats Goku!!! May it be Henshaw, Thanos, Darkseid or even Galactus! http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/sauer/angry-smiley-030.gif
(Exceptions are The Spectre, The Living Tribunal and the Beyonder.)

And I'm not talking about "omnipotent" Goku, because for me Dragonball: GT is nothing more than bull****. I mean Goku when he reaches Saiyan Level 3. Cell alone had the energy to destroy an entire solar system (and he was only on the Ultra Level), and Goku as an Ultra Saiyajin is even stronger than Gohan was when he beat Cell.

And don't forget that Goku can even reach the third Saiyan level, The Mega Saiyan!! Now imagine what he could do.

And don't give me that pre-crisis Superman crap. That's even more ridiculous than DB:GT.

(Wow...lot's of "And's")

"Could move planets with his blow." [Dr.Evil] Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! [/Dr.Evil] :rolleyes:

http://216.40.249.192/s/cwm/3dlil/nonono2.gif
I can't even understand that some people say Lobo could beat Goku. While Lobo get's ready for a punch, Goku would beat him to a pulp in less than 2-3 seconds. Lobo may be strong, but he's not the fastest. (yeah I know, Lobo is immortal. Then he regenerates and gets beaten to a pulp again, regenerates, gets beaten, regenerates, gets beaten. An endless loop of ass whooping)


I really like both, DC and Marvel. But no one can beat Goku of either universe. Everyone who watches DBZ would know that.

That's all I have to say. Except I get mad at someones post, then I'll be back. http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/cwm/cwm/disgust.gif


PS. If you find grammar errors. keep them!


EDIT Ok, I forgot someone else that can beat Goku. Professor Charles Xavier, or any other strong Telepath. But that's it! :mad: end edit

that would suck, goku getting beat by a bald guy in a wheelchair.

[Captain America]

Actually Professor X needs to concentrate and within a Split Second Goku would take him down.

Prof. X sitting in his Wheelchair staring at Goku.. he puts his Two Fingers on his Temple areas and closes his Eyes.

Goku scratches his Head and says "huh?"

Suddenly Goku gets a strange Pain in his Head "Ahhh!!!! What.. are you..."

*PSH*

*BAM!*

Goku phased and knocked X out within a Second!

[Nathan]

Or he puts Goku just in a mental freeze (X-Men 2, the Museum). And the winner is? Professoooooorrrr~!!!! Chaaaarrrllles! X~AVIEEEEERRRR!!!

I admit that Prof. X could beat Goku, and I'm a big DBZ fan.

[Enzyme]

Goku is a telepath as well.

And he has had King Kai in his head. Wouldnt you consider him a more powerful telepath. Being able to comunicate over the distance of Galaxys.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Enzyme
Goku is a telepath as well.

And he has had King Kai in his head. Wouldnt you consider him a more powerful telepath. Being able to comunicate over the distance of Galaxys.

Nope, he can only read minds by putting his palm on someones head.

And it's not that he contacts King Kai, King Kai is the one that talks to Goku, Goku just answers.

And the last one, talking over Galaxys, in this case Goku also needs King Kai. King Kai works here as a...well...let's say King Kai plays the cell phone.

[darth_coolius]

goku is a saiyan, so how do you know if x's powers will even work on him? anyways, i think goku has enough willpower to overcome any mental attack on him, no matter how powerful the source.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Nathan
Nope, he can only read minds by putting his palm on someones head.

And it's not that he contacts King Kai, King Kai is the one that talks to Goku, Goku just answers.

And the last one, talking over Galaxys, in this case Goku also needs King Kai. King Kai works here as a...well...let's say King Kai plays the cell phone.

Do you even watch DBZ??:rolleyes:

Goku is telepathic and a telekinetic (most z characters are, they just don't use them abilites very often) and doesn't need to put his palm on someones head to use it.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Jason C C
Do you even watch DBZ??:rolleyes:

Goku is telepathic and a telekinetic (most z characters are, they just don't use them abilites very often) and doesn't need to put his palm on someones head to use it.

No, I've never watched DBZ. That's why I participate in this conversation, because I'm totaly clueless. :rolleyes:

The only guys I know, which have Telepathic abilities, and can talk over an Telepathic link, are the Kaios and Namekians. And the race with strong, telekinetic abilities, has to be Freezers race.

And then there are a few characters which can both. Those are Chaozu and Gerudo from the Ginyu force.

I searched first on the net for a couple of minutes, so that I don't post any bull****. And I found nothing that says, that Son Goku or the Saiyan race have telepathic or even telekinetic abilities.


Prove me wrong if you feel like it.

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Nathan
No, I've never watched DBZ. That's why I participate in this conversation, because I'm totaly clueless. :rolleyes:

I thought so:p


The only guys I know, which have Telepathic abilities, and can talk over an Telepathic link, are the Kaios and Namekians. And the race with strong, telekinetic abilities, has to be Freezers race.

And then there are a few characters which can both. Those are Chaozu and Gerudo from the Ginyu force.

I searched first on the net for a couple of minutes, so that I don't post any bull****. And I found nothing that says, that Son Goku or the Saiyan race have telepathic or even telekinetic abilities.


Prove me wrong if you feel like it.



Goku communicated with trunks telepathically while fighting Fat buu in super sayan 3 form. He also communicated with Gohan from other world without King kai in one of the movies. Plus he did the mind read thing to krillyn while holding the top of his head (which you stated). That is still telepathy whether he was touching krillyn or not.

Goku can also uses telekinisis, the technique is called Kiaiho in DB.

[Nathan]

Woah, Woah!!! Hold it! :eek: ~memories coming back~

Right, Goku was talking to Trunks while fighting Buu, but how...?

And he also performed one Telekinetic attack against Freezer. He just stared at him, and Freezer was pushed down.

Damn internet with your useless informations!! :mad:

But for all this, there must be a reasonable explanation. Right now I can't look for it, I don't have my mangas here were I am, nor do I have the anime episodes.


http://66.227.101.70/games/dbz/dragonball-goku3.gif <-- Just for fun

[War Lord]

The one superhero who could beat Goku is Silver Surfer. He is able to absorb unlimited energies, so no matter how powerful Goku became, SS could just absorb his energies until Goku had nothing left to give. Charles Xavier could take over Goku's mind and put him to sleep. Doctor Strange could zap Goku into an unknown dimension, giving him no way out. The one other being that could beat Goku to my knowledge is Kitty Pryde. Her ability to pass through material, would allow her to reach into Goku's chest phase out his heart or other vital organ and simply kill him.

I'm sure there are others, but not too many.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by jonty30
The one superhero who could beat Goku is Silver Surfer. He is able to absorb unlimited energies, so no matter how powerful Goku became, SS could just absorb his energies until Goku had nothing left to give. Charles Xavier could take over Goku's mind and put him to sleep. Doctor Strange could zap Goku into an unknown dimension, giving him no way out. The one other being that could beat Goku to my knowledge is Kitty Pryde. Her ability to pass through material, would allow her to reach into Goku's chest phase out his heart or other vital organ and simply kill him.

I'm sure there are others, but not too many.

I think not, surfer cannot absorb unlimited amounts of energy at all. If he absorbs too much he'll blow up. Goku is a powerful telepath and telekinetic himself and since he can move faster than light and thought for that matter. Xavier would be snoozing before he could even think. Goku can teleport interdimsionally so no Dr strange is not going to zap goku anywhere that he cannot return from. Assuming he could even zap goku which he couldn't.

The funniest one of all is kitty pride:D

Goku could go home, have dinner, have a bath and come back before kitty has moved an inch and you want me to believe she ever be able to touch him?? Not only that but she can't hold her breath for ever so she'll have to become solid and then wham its night night. Of course Goku could just blow up the planet shes on or telekinetically lift her into space.

[Carcharodon]

Originally posted by guyverjay
ha ha yeah right Goku telports juggs into a black hole and leaves him there.



NEXT! I've agreed with you thus far. I think Goku could beat Juggernaut, but how do you propose he could teleport Juggs into a black hole?

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Wall_Crawler_2003
I've agreed with you thus far. I think Goku could beat Juggernaut, but how do you propose he could teleport Juggs into a black hole?

Instant transmission him into space, since goku can easily move 100, 000 times faster than juggy he won't even know whats happening. Anyway juggernaut is a pussy now in the current X-men books so Goku wouldn't even have to to do that. Goku would just beat the crap out of him the old fashioned way:D

BTW we could substitute black hole for THE SUN, either way works

[Carcharodon]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Instant transmission him into space, since goku can easily move 100, 000 times faster than juggy he won't even know whats happening. Anyway juggernaut is a pussy now in the current X-men books so Goku wouldn't even have to to do that. Goku would just beat the crap out of him the old fashioned way:D

BTW we could substitute black hole for THE SUN, either way works As I understand it, Instant Transmission is moving at the speed of light, correct?