I have a prediction relating to Spider-Man

[The Question]

He's going to have a public identity for a while. Maybe even a few years, although possibly not that long. Then, they're going to pull what Johns did with The Flash. A while back in Amazing, Pete saved the life of Loki's illigitimate daughter, Tess. Because of this, Loki told Pete that he owed him one. Once this whole Thor thing in Civil War thing is resolved, I think it will be revealed that the people of Asgard were reborn as humans. When Loki regains his memories, he'll repay Pete by mind wiping everyone so they forget his secret identity.

[SouLeSS]

So you're on the whole 'mind wipe' boat that a lot of people are in, as opposed to the 'switcharoo' boat?

Gotcha.

[Tropico]

What's a public idea?!:confused:

[The Question]

What's a public idea?!:confused:


Funny. :o

[Anubis]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I figure they'll do. Of course that's assuming they're gonna use past continuity.

[The Question]

Oh. Of course. How foolish of me. Marvel using past continuity. In this day in age! :o


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Dorn_as_Worf.jpg

HAHAHAHA! Impossible.

[Darthphere]

He's going to have a public identity for a while. Maybe even a few years, although possibly not that long. Then, they're going to pull what Johns did with The Flash. A while back in Amazing, Pete saved the life of Loki's illigitimate daughter, Tess. Because of this, Loki told Pete that he owed him one. Once this whole Thor thing in Civil War thing is resolved, I think it will be revealed that the people of Asgard were reborn as humans. When Loki regains his memories, he'll repay Pete by mind wiping everyone so they forget his secret identity.


LOL! Q thinks Marvel even remembers that, LOL!:ninja:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'd be suprised if Q even remembered that.

[Mee]

Well look at it this way, it's better than some super-emo punching "time."

[jaydawg]

So.... you made a thread about a prediction that pretty much everyone made when this whole public ID thing was just a rumor?

[The Leaguer]

Everyone did? :confused:

[i'm Spider-Man]

well... quite a few people. Some people were just quietly smug about it :)

Essentially, given the entire history of Spider-man has depended upon his identity being a secret, the common belief amongst our little 'community' is that eventually, (and this is much sooner, rather than later), his ID will once again be a secret.

And there aren't really that many ways to do that. Though personally i'd love to see whoever it is that has to fix it, come up with a new thing...

[GyLocke]

I think Peter will go in some "protection program" and assume a new identity. So he had to leave MJ - a young, independent Parker - Quesadas genie back in the bottle.

[3dman27]

i'm in the mind wipe camp myself

[SpideyInATree]

He's going to have a public identity for a while. Maybe even a few years, although possibly not that long. Then, they're going to pull what Johns did with The Flash. A while back in Amazing, Pete saved the life of Loki's illigitimate daughter, Tess. Because of this, Loki told Pete that he owed him one. Once this whole Thor thing in Civil War thing is resolved, I think it will be revealed that the people of Asgard were reborn as humans. When Loki regains his memories, he'll repay Pete by mind wiping everyone so they forget his secret identity.

That's another interesting theory on the "mindwiping". If they're going to mindwipe, which I think is going to be the case...and yes, people have been talking mindwipe since he took the mask off, so this is nothing new. :oldrazz:

But anyhoo....you've got Doctor Strange who could always use a spell of some type. Especially with BKV doing the miniseries coming up next month the want Strange to become a major player again the Marvel Universe.

And over in the Spidey forums another poster was talking about House of M, Wanda and everything. It's possible she could work some mojo and that is always another possible back door.

But, yeah, people have already mentioned the Loki thing, including myself. I believe I was shot down by angry Spider-Man fans who claimed that A. Loki was dead and B. That Marvel sucks at continuity. :whatever: :oldrazz:

You also forgot to add into the mindwipe that EVERYONE will forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Thus, causing Mary Jane to forget which will basically, in a way, veto the marriage they had. And that takes care of MJ without death or divorce, but Spider-Man fans will STILL be pissed. Well, because they're ALWAYS pissed. If Quesada said, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko are going to go back to Amazing Spider-Man for a 12 issue run they'd STILL find something to be pissed at. :oldrazz:

[Doc Destruction]

Spider-Man fans have ONLY been pissed since Sins Past. Don't make it sound like we've always been that way. The character has been beaten around like a pinata since then.

I'm in the mind wipe camp too.

[SpideyInATree]

Spider-Man fans have ONLY been pissed since Sins Past. Don't make it sound like we've always been that way. The character has been beaten around like a pinata since then.

I'm in the mind wipe camp too.

Many fans were pissed even before Sins Past. People disliked the totem storyline that JMS was doing with Ezekiel. People were pissed before that when MJ and Peter were separated and they thought that they were going to get divorced. People were pissed at the horrible writing of Howard Mackie during the reboot. People were pissed about the Clone Saga.

Spider-Man fans are usually pissed all the time. Whether there is some huge event or life altering thing or whether he's just battling the villain of the month there is ALWAYS something to complain about for Spider-Man fans. :oldrazz:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Hey, I've only been bored since th' end of th' clone saga! My pissyness didn't come till Sins Past.

[Tropico]

Many fans were pissed even before Sins Past. People disliked the totem storyline that JMS was doing with Ezekiel. People were pissed before that when MJ and Peter were separated and they thought that they were going to get divorced. People were pissed at the horrible writing of Howard Mackie during the reboot. People were pissed about the Clone Saga.

Spider-Man fans are usually pissed all the time. Whether there is some huge event or life altering thing or whether he's just battling the villain of the month there is ALWAYS something to complain about for Spider-Man fans. :oldrazz:

You forgot the organic webbing thing.:D:up:

[SpideyInATree]

Yes, how could I forget that. It caused quite the madness from what I recall.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I actually liked th' organic webs. Raimi's reasonin' behind 'em made sense.

[Tropico]

I like how a lot of people hate Spidey 2099, but love how they explained how Spidey's powers worked in the first movie. The irony!:D

[SpideyInATree]

I actually liked th' organic webs. Raimi's reasonin' behind 'em made sense.

I was referencing to the organic webbing in the comic book, not the movie.

[Grim Goblin]

And there aren't really that many ways to do that. Though personally i'd love to see whoever it is that has to fix it, come up with a new thing...

How about having an issue start on the moon. We see a tv screen, a couch and a bunch of bald kids running around it. Uatu comes back from his bathroom break and looks at the screen with disbelief.

Uatu: "what is this? kids, how many times did I tell you not to change the channel while I'm working?

kids: "sorry uncle Uatu!"

Uatu opens himself a beer and flicks it back to the 616 channel. The tv host says: "we now return to our scheduled program".

:cwink:

[SpideyInATree]

How about having an issue start on the moon. We see a tv screen, a couch and a bunch of bald kids running around it. Uatu comes back from his bathroom break and looks at the screen with disbelief.

Uatu: "what is this? kids, how many times did I tell you not to change the channel while I'm working?

kids: "sorry uncle Uatu!"

Uatu opens himself a beer and flicks it back to the 616 channel. The tv host says: "we now return to our scheduled program".

:cwink:

:dry:

[Zeu]

"- Ah! Ah! Fooled Ya! I´m not really Spider-man, it was all just a prank." :D

[Darthphere]

I can't really fathom why anyone would want a mindwipe to occur. Its coming from the same people who complain about Marvel's lack of creativity and predictability. Honestly, a mindwipe is about the lamest thing you can do at this point, and it would only be done to appease the nay-sayers.

How about they stick to their guns and run with the story they have presented. Follow through with the unmasking and open up doors to new and better Spider-man stories. Sure, he doesnt have his secret identity any longer, but as long as we dont get an "OMG! *insert villain name here* Attacked Aunt May!" story every week, it should be fine.

[SpideyInATree]

I can't really fathom why anyone would want a mindwipe to occur. Its coming from the same people who complain about Marvel's lack of creativity and predictability. Honestly, a mindwipe is about the lamest thing you can do at this point, and it would only be done to appease the nay-sayers.

How about they stick to their guns and run with the story they have presented. Follow through with the unmasking and open up doors to new and better Spider-man stories. Sure, he doesnt have his secret identity any longer, but as long as we dont get an "OMG! *insert villain name here* Attacked Aunt May!" story every week, it should be fine.

I would wish they stick with this for the rest of Spidey mythos. But I believe it was an interview with Joe Quesada and Kevin Smith and they basically stated that when they did the unmasking that they wrote themselves a back door to give him is identity back, and this was before everybody started pissing and moaning about it...so...

[Darthphere]

I would wish they stick with this for the rest of Spidey mythos. But I believe it was an interview with Joe Quesada and Kevin Smith and they basically stated that when they did the unmasking that they wrote themselves a back door to give him is identity back, and this was before everybody started pissing and moaning about it...so...


Well that could be like Marv Wolfman's Barry loophole, doesnt mean they'll use it.

[Doatum]

I pearsonally think that Spidey's identity should be un-known. Though, that could just be me fearing change. The public knowing could make for some good stories. Then again, I love the totem idea. I mean, radiation kills right? The death and rebirth also made for a good story. At least the new powers are a good idea. They all make sense, except for the stingers that is. I think they should make Spidey into Shield's stealth spy specialist, but that is just my opinion.

[Namor]

He's going to have a public identity for a while. Maybe even a few years, although possibly not that long. Then, they're going to pull what Johns did with The Flash. A while back in Amazing, Pete saved the life of Loki's illigitimate daughter, Tess. Because of this, Loki told Pete that he owed him one. Once this whole Thor thing in Civil War thing is resolved, I think it will be revealed that the people of Asgard were reborn as humans. When Loki regains his memories, he'll repay Pete by mind wiping everyone so they forget his secret identity.

Marvel will let the whole identity thing play out for sure. But i think that since people are still upset that Spidey revealed who he is, when the time is right they'll do something similar to your idea.

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[The Question]

I can't really fathom why anyone would want a mindwipe to occur. Its coming from the same people who complain about Marvel's lack of creativity and predictability. Honestly, a mindwipe is about the lamest thing you can do at this point, and it would only be done to appease the nay-sayers.

How about they stick to their guns and run with the story they have presented. Follow through with the unmasking and open up doors to new and better Spider-man stories. Sure, he doesnt have his secret identity any longer, but as long as we dont get an "OMG! *insert villain name here* Attacked Aunt May!" story every week, it should be fine.


Oh, I don't really want it to happen. I was just saying what I think would happen.

[Chris Wallace]

He's going to have a public identity for a while. Maybe even a few years, although possibly not that long. Then, they're going to pull what Johns did with The Flash. A while back in Amazing, Pete saved the life of Loki's illigitimate daughter, Tess. Because of this, Loki told Pete that he owed him one. Once this whole Thor thing in Civil War thing is resolved, I think it will be revealed that the people of Asgard were reborn as humans. When Loki regains his memories, he'll repay Pete by mind wiping everyone so they forget his secret identity.
Bit of a stretch, I think.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I can't really fathom why anyone would want a mindwipe to occur. Its coming from the same people who complain about Marvel's lack of creativity and predictability. Honestly, a mindwipe is about the lamest thing you can do at this point, and it would only be done to appease the nay-sayers.

How about they stick to their guns and run with the story they have presented. Follow through with the unmasking and open up doors to new and better Spider-man stories. Sure, he doesnt have his secret identity any longer, but as long as we dont get an "OMG! *insert villain name here* Attacked Aunt May!" story every week, it should be fine.

YOU'RE lame!! :cmad:

Can you tell I'm bored, and just waiting to go out to dinner? :o

I swear, American traffic sucks.

[Chris Wallace]

I would wish they stick with this for the rest of Spidey mythos.
As usual, we disagree.

[jaydawg]

I can't really fathom why anyone would want a mindwipe to occur. Its coming from the same people who complain about Marvel's lack of creativity and predictability. Honestly, a mindwipe is about the lamest thing you can do at this point, and it would only be done to appease the nay-sayers.

How about they stick to their guns and run with the story they have presented. Follow through with the unmasking and open up doors to new and better Spider-man stories. Sure, he doesnt have his secret identity any longer, but as long as we dont get an "OMG! *insert villain name here* Attacked Aunt May!" story every week, it should be fine.
I think this just happens to be one of those occasions where the event that occured was simply so bad, the majority would be happy for anything to occur to render it obsolete. Unmasking Spidey is just one of those things.

[i'm Spider-Man]

I'd love to see them run with the story for a while. at LEAST a year. Without something magical happening like suddenly Wanda wakes up, goes into the bathroom, and there's Vision in the shower

- It was all a dream, Wanda... a terrible, terrible dream...

[Chris Wallace]

I think this just happens to be one of those occasions where the event that occured was simply so bad, the majority would be happy for anything to occur to render it obsolete. Unmasking Spidey is just one of those things.
You're right. At this point, a huge hole could be ripped in the sky, Zatanna could slide down on a stripper pole w/a megaphone, shake her butt to get everyone's attention, & say "Tegrof nam-redips si retep rekrap", then vanish into thin air, and I'd accpet it.

[Tropico]

You're right. At this point, a huge hole could be ripped in the sky, Zatarra could slide down on a stripper pole w/a megaphone, shake her butt to get everyone's attention, & say "Tegrof nam-redips si retep rekrap", then vanish into thin air, and I'd accpet it.

I'd prefer it if it was Zatanna and not her deceased father, Zatara. I know Marvel is all about the zombies lately, but a rump shaking corpse and a stripping pole is just too much!:o

[Chris Wallace]

Sorry-I meant Zatanna.

[Chris Wallace]

MJ could spring from the bed in a cold sweat, see Peter in the shower, & say "Peter, I just had the most awful dream. You were wearing this ridiculous red & gold costume that Iron Man made for you, and he told you to reveal your identity and fight Captain America...and you did it."
I'd even accept that. The whole issue could be Pete walking her around their apartment, showing her that all his costumes are spandex, showing her that there couldn't possibly be any stingers in his wrists, & convincing her that Gwen & Norman never had any kids.

[SouLeSS]

So what you're saying, is the past, oh, 3 or 4 years in Marvel Continuality (Not just Spiderman) has been all in Mary Janes head?

:down:down:down

[Caliber]

He's going to have a public identity for a while. Maybe even a few years, although possibly not that long. Then, they're going to pull what Johns did with The Flash. A while back in Amazing, Pete saved the life of Loki's illigitimate daughter, Tess. Because of this, Loki told Pete that he owed him one. Once this whole Thor thing in Civil War thing is resolved, I think it will be revealed that the people of Asgard were reborn as humans. When Loki regains his memories, he'll repay Pete by mind wiping everyone so they forget his secret identity.

It wasn't a favor but more of something he could use to get Loki's help if he needed with his daughter.

[KingOfDreams]

Hmm, could happen. It's not a bad idea.

[Caliber]

Hmm, could happen. It's not a bad idea.

It could but who says Loki isn't going to help Spidey. He is the norse god of mischief.

[Chris Wallace]

So what you're saying, is the past, oh, 3 or 4 years in Marvel Continuality (Not just Spiderman) has been all in Mary Janes head?

:down:down:down
I'm kidding.
mostly.

[LouFerignoDemon]

So what you're saying, is the past, oh, 3 or 4 years in Marvel Continuality (Not just Spiderman) has been all in Mary Janes head?

:down:down:down

Why not? It's not like Marvel has cared about continuity lately anyway.

[NateGray]

I can't really fathom why anyone would want a mindwipe to occur. Its coming from the same people who complain about Marvel's lack of creativity and predictability. Honestly, a mindwipe is about the lamest thing you can do at this point, and it would only be done to appease the nay-sayers.

How about they stick to their guns and run with the story they have presented. Follow through with the unmasking and open up doors to new and better Spider-man stories. Sure, he doesnt have his secret identity any longer, but as long as we dont get an "OMG! *insert villain name here* Attacked Aunt May!" story every week, it should be fine.

Someone whom I cannot recall used to have a sig that read comic book fans do not fear change they fear BAD change and that is what his unmasking was.
As for the mindwipe most just realize it was a bad change and is going to be undone so pick your posion a mindwipe or whatever they use to reverese it is lame but so was the unmasking.

And really what stories would the unmasking open up please enlighten me because most only see the lame oh that villian is going after Aunt May or better yet every week some lame villian will be attacking Peter at home and most who favor the unmasking just refuse to see the real ramifications of his actions would result in his death and May's and Mj's from some sniper half mile away waiting for them to walk out the door in the morning.
Since they can easily find out where he lives etc etc and yes some of his villians would have him killed in a nano second.

[Darthphere]

Bad and good is subjective, im still on the fence on the unmasking thing, because I actually want to see some of the fallout before I judge it as the worst thing ever like some here are doing.

[FadingCB]

I would wish they stick with this for the rest of Spidey mythos. But I believe it was an interview with Joe Quesada and Kevin Smith and they basically stated that when they did the unmasking that they wrote themselves a back door to give him is identity back, and this was before everybody started pissing and moaning about it...so...

I could be wrong but I think remember there being another quote too of him saying there will be no mind wipe or retcon. I was looking for it but couldn't find it yet, thought I had it book marked.

I agree with Darth tho, there in the damned if you do or don't boat. Ppl ask for innovation, they get it, then when they do they bash it and ask for normalcy. I personally like Spidey's identity being out because it opens all kindsa bad **** to happen in his life and shake things up. Instead of Spidey hearing an alarm and finding Doc Ock robbing a bank, it's Doc Ock ambushing him at the theatre without his costume on and so on.

I hope there's no mindwipes or easy way outs. Kinda get tired of the resets everytime things get a bit outta hand, which is one reason I don't like DC more, while stories are interesting it kinda doesn't matter because in 10-20 years it won't be cannon because it'll be retconned or reset. I like that for the most part Marvel's fought thru the rough spots and tried to make sense of their long history. Spidey's unmasking may suck now but it could set up years of good story lines even if his identity is central to the character.

I will say this tho, mindwiping is better than something really stupid like it turning out Peter was the clone all along, getting killed by tons of enemies, then Ben Reilly becoming Spiderman again permently :(.

[Chris Wallace]

Some of us-MANY of us-didn't ask for any "innovation"! We were happy w/Spidey the way he was.

[Darthphere]

Some of us-MANY of us-didn't ask for any "innovation"! We were happy w/Spidey the way he was.


I havent seen any dramatic sales drop in the Spidey titles, so apparently people werent that outraged and arent out there burning copies of CW #2.

[FadingCB]

Some of us-MANY of us-didn't ask for any "innovation"! We were happy w/Spidey the way he was.

Well don't get me wrong, I like classic Spiderman better and think they made some bad choices in the last few years. Problem is that things that stay stagnent for 60 yrs in the entertainment field tend to lose ppl, and only keep the most hardcore. Spidey's had changes here and there over the years, everything from cosmic Spidey to the venom suit to, to deaths, to whatever. Plus, you honestly couldn't have thought he would stay masked forever. Based on his popularity, it was inevitable that eventually he'd be unmasked to hype some huge event, it just happened sooner than most seemed ready for.

[Chris Wallace]

Plus, you honestly couldn't have thought he would stay masked forever. Based on his popularity, it was inevitable that eventually he'd be unmasked to hype some huge event, it just happened sooner than most seemed ready for.
That's some bull. It NEVER occured to me that they would ever expose him. He's got too much to lose by his identity being a matter of public record. And since neither Superman nor Batman's identities have been outed, that argument just doesn't fly.

[Chris Wallace]

I havent seen any dramatic sales drop in the Spidey titles, so apparently people werent that outraged and arent out there burning copies of CW #2.
Right now the story's still developing & there's still entertainment value. Doesn't mean that the unmasking wasn't a bad move.

[Darthphere]

Right now the story's still developing & there's still entertainment value. Doesn't mean that the unmasking wasn't a bad move.


Doesnt mean it was, which is my point, its too early to call. All I know is I dont usually read ASM but the tie-in to CW, and the SPider-Man Unmasked stuff in Freindly have been fantastic so far.

[Chris Wallace]

Not thrilled w/Friendly myself. And my beef w/the unmasking mainly pertains to 1. the fact that he did it himself, in the face of 1,000,000 reasons not to; 2. the reason why he did it, & 3. the long-term ramifications.

[Darthphere]

Theres no way you can judge #3.

[Chris Wallace]

Theres no way you can judge #3.
Maybe not. But right now it doesn't look good.

[Darthphere]

What exactly doesnt look good? What has happened for you to make that judgement?

[Chris Wallace]

I've talked about it numerous times in other threads, but...
the MAIN thing that drew me to Spider-Man is his "everyman" appeal. Making him a public figure destroys that. And since he can't be an Avenger forever, then what? He can't sell pics to any newspaper anymore. And who's gonna hire him? Most employers would rather not have Doc Ock show up at their office & trash the place while looking to kill one of their employees. Who's gonna hire MJ? How's he gonna keep Aunt May safe? And it's not even the supervillains that are the real problem. Supervillains are, by their very nature, theatrical & predictable. Every one of his costumed enemies has had ample opportunity to kill him but has blown it b/c they stopped to gloat and/or make a big production out of it. But they're not the real threat. The real problem is some no-name, smalltime thug who's face he's forgotten, walking up to one of his loved ones in a supermarket & shooting her in the head.
And even laying the safety issues aside for now, I keep thinking of something Jor-El said in "Superman: The Movie"; you can't serve humanity 24 hours a day. They would abuse their resource & call on you to do things they ought to do for themselves.
I just don't see any good coming of his identity being exposed.

[Xofenroht]

I wouldn't mind his identity slowly getting out to the people he knows. But having it known to any person watching the news that night is quite idiotic and completely out of Peter Parker's character. He'd sooner have Flash Thompson know than the entire world.

Speaking of which, how is Flash taking it?

[Chris Wallace]

He doesn't believe it; he thinks it's a publicity stunt & once CW is over, Pete & Spidey will be seen together again.

[Darthphere]

Dude, Peter Parker stopped being the "everyman" a long time ago.

[Chris Wallace]

And it was wrong.

[FadingCB]

That's some bull. It NEVER occured to me that they would ever expose him. He's got too much to lose by his identity being a matter of public record. And since neither Superman nor Batman's identities have been outed, that argument just doesn't fly.

Well it may not have ever entered your mind, but I always thought somehow his identity would be revealed for shock value. It's like having the world's shiniest red button and being told to never push it, Spidey's identity is a huge part of him and his responisibility, I had no doubt it'd be used for a boost to sales, a series or whatever, but I didn't expect it to be in CW or for another 10 yrs or so. Comics always do shock value, maybe superman and batman haven't had their identities revealed but they've had other things happen. Superman 'died' it was all over in the media, not long after he was brought back, all in an attempt at boosting sales at the cost of shock value. We have to face facts that as the buisness goes on the ppl who loved and made the characters so likeable over the years are going to move on or get too old to keep running things, and new ppl are going to take over with only green in their eyes and less concerns about the characters past. Sucks, and they might lose readers rather than gain them, and it ticks me off that continuity and a characters core values get stepped on, but those in charge don't always care.

I still stick by saying it could be a positive in the long run. No need to judge it yet as we don't know where it's going. It could lead to great stories and put him in more peril in a good way, or it could lead to back stories at which point u can re-quote this a year down the road and rub it in my face :). No reason to say it's ruined Spidey anymore than anything else that's been done to him, this could actually put him back on the road closer to what he used to be. By the end of CW I have no doubt he'll have gained his backbone back and smack Stark around a bit (whether he can beat IM or not I'm not sure, not that he can't try). As for a job, ya that's kinda a sticky situation, I don't look forward to Spiderman: The Welfare chronicals.

[Anubis]

I don't even give a damn anymore.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't even give a damn anymore.
Ah, the battle-cry of the disillusioned. It makes for such dulcet tones in my bitter, cynical ears. :)

[The Leaguer]

People need to stop getting angry and start not caring. Rage isn't going to get Quesada's attention, apathy will.

And a round between the eyes.

[Chris Wallace]

If history has taught me one thing, it's that the death of someone in the entertainment industry doesn't make their product go away.

[Tropico]

No, but it allows others to make it go away.:D:up:

[Alex Summers]

Apathy makes the world go round.

[Xofenroht]

I'm quite fine with JMS's run on AMS, I think he's done brilliant work. Of course there are some things I would change and there are stories I'd rather see told or plotlines I want to see tied up, but hey...I'm enjoying it for what it is. The whole Morlun business was great and finally seeing Pete with a stable job as a teacher now was a big step towards aging Peter Parker while keeping him the everyman.