Update means 1080p Games and HD Video on X360.

[Mentok]

M$ will soon release an upadte for the X360 that includes giving the console the ability to display content (Games and HD-DVD Video) at 1080p.

...naturally I spent nine minutes trying to figure out just how a console with no HDMI out would gain 1080p output with a software update.

Kim was clear that the console could support true 1080p out.

"If it is running at 720p we will up-res it to 1080p, if it it's already 1080p then we can display it in 1080p," he said. " This is a great example of our console's ability and the great advantage of being a software company."

Kim said that while the console will soon support 1080p out, it will not have an HDMI out.

"We have the ability to output either through VGA or component. We have no HDMI announcement now," he said. "We do have the capability to deliver the software and, if needed, the hardware."

Nothing that important to me really since my display is 702p Native.
SONY just lost another exclusive point tough.

[Mentok]

Some highlights from the MICROSOFT confrence ...


* Drive launching in Japan on on 11/22 at a price 19,800 yen.
* The Xbox 360 to recieve software upgrade this fall for 1080p support.
* Sakaguchi showed off Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon, played each for about 10 minutes live.
* Lost Planet trailer, Trusty Bell gameplaye footage shown.

[THWIP*]

M$ will soon release an upadte for the X360 that includes giving the console the ability to display content (Games and HD-DVD Video) at 1080p.



Nothing that important to me really since my display is 702p Native.
SONY just lost another exclusive point tough.



I JUST READ THIS EARLIER THIS MORNING.......'MS' DID A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING THIS LITTLE NUGGET QUIET. WHAT A WAY TO PISS IN THE FACE OF 'SONY', RIGHT OFF THE TOP. :D:up:


AND THEY'RE SHOWING 110 TITLES......'SONY' CAN'T TOUCH 'EM. ;)

[Avalanche]

I JUST READ THIS EARLIER THIS MORNING.......'MS' DID A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING THIS LITTLE NUGGET QUIET. WHAT A WAY TO PISS IN THE FACE OF 'SONY', RIGHT OFF THE TOP. :D:up:
Weren't all the X-Box fans stating 1080p wasn't even important when Sony was using it as a trump card?

[THWIP*]

Weren't all the X-Box fans stating 1080p wasn't even important when Sony was using it as a trump card?


EXACTLY......AND 'MS' JUST PROVED TO THE WORLD HOW INSIGNIFICANT IT TRULY IS ; IT'S POSSIBLE WITH A SIMPLE SOFTWARE PATCH. :up:



OF COURSE, YOU CAN COUNT ON 'SONY' TO ANNOUNCE THAT "IT'S NOT TRUE 1080P, WITHOUT HDMI, AND THE POWER OF 'PS3'. ". ;)

[Topdawg]

It wont be true HD, they'll just upscale and stretch the image.

[블라스]

It wont be true HD, they'll just upscale and stretch the image.

I doubt it'll be just that, guy :confused:

[THWIP*]

It wont be true HD, they'll just upscale and stretch the image.



LOL......NO, THAT WOULD BE POINTLESS. :huh:

[WhatsHisFace]

Topdawg's just being an idiot again and doesn't understand how game engines work on a fundmental level.

[SpiderFan17]

It wont be true HD, they'll just upscale and stretch the image.
You have no clue how HD resolutions work, do you?

Wait, I just looked at who I'm quoting.

[Mentok]

M$ have made it clear that the only resolution that really matters this gen was 720p.

They are only releasing the patch so sony cant contunue the B.S of being the only real HD console.

[Topdawg]

You have no clue how HD resolutions work, do you?

Wait, I just looked at who I'm quoting.

Its easy to say im wrong, and not explaining why.:o

[Topdawg]

Topdawg's just being an idiot again and doesn't understand how game engines work on a fundmental level.

Say why im wrong you ****ing idiot, or else just STFU.:cmad:

[블라스]

Topdog: I'm not big on this technology talk, but come on, think about it.
They won't "stretch the image" and say it's now 1080 or whatever, that's just preposterous and you know it.

[Topdawg]

Topdog: I'm not big on this technology talk, but come on, think about it.
They won't "stretch the image" and say it's now 1080 or whatever, that's just preposterous and you know it.

It also depends on the size of the screen, if they upscale it the pixels wil stretch.
if anyone has a screen smaller than 40inch, its just 720p.

If anyone has like a 42-60 inch screen it wont be TRUE HD.

[Axid]

:dry: :D :down :whatever: : peg :

[Mentok]

TOPDOG - They wont stretch the image at all...

"If it is running at 720p we will up-res it to 1080p, if it it's already 1080p then we can display it in 1080p,"

[Topdawg]

:dry: :D :down :whatever: : peg :

How surprising, you and your usual spamming.:o

[Mentok]

It also depends on the size of the screen, if they upscale it the pixels wil stretch.

if anyone has a screen smaller than 40inch, its just 720p.

Physical screen size has nothing to do with resolution.

The only important thing is the NATIVE RESOLUTION of the display panel. This Native Resolution for the majority of "HD-TV READY' sets is 720p. about 5% of newer HD-TV Sets have a Native Resolution of 1080p.

[블라스]

Maybe one of my more technology-savvy mates can help me out a bit?

[Axid]

How surprising, you and your usual spamming.:o

How surprising, you and your usual lack of intelligence in regards to everything. :heart::meow:

[lars573]

TOPDOG - They wont stretch the image at all...

"If it is running at 720p we will up-res it to 1080p, if it it's already 1080p then we can display it in 1080p,"
Really? Would they even need to up-convert. I mean 80% of the 360 games can output 1920x1080 images. Just built in one pass instead of half and half.

Maybe one of my more technology-savvy mates can help me out a bit?
With what? The real difference between 1080i and 1080P? That's simple, frames per second. 1080i puts out 60 half frames per second (for a max of 30 frames per second). 1080P puts out 60 (and up) full frames per second.

[블라스]

With what? The real difference between 1080i and 1080P? That's simple, frames per second. 1080i puts out 60 half frames per second (for a max of 30 frames per second). 1080P puts out 60 (and up) full frames per second.

Oh, thanks a lot.
It wasn't that though, I meant that if someone would explain to Topdog would Microsoft would not just "stretch the image" in more technically correct lingo.

[Zenien]

I JUST READ THIS EARLIER THIS MORNING.......'MS' DID A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING THIS LITTLE NUGGET QUIET. WHAT A WAY TO PISS IN THE FACE OF 'SONY', RIGHT OFF THE TOP. :D:up:


AND THEY'RE SHOWING 110 TITLES......'SONY' CAN'T TOUCH 'EM. ;)

YEah I read it as well, I guess this means that the Xbot FUD spreaders trying to claim flagging issues will shut up now. Though, like the core PS3, this alledgedly won't be a long term solution without the HDMI port. But that's years away anyway.

110 titles? I'm pretty sure Sony will have more, there will be over 500 titles at TGS this year.

[Zenien]

lost odyssey gameplay: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6161

blue dragon gameplay: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6148

blue dragon trailer: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6147

HD-DVD demo: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6237

DoAX2 trailer: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6150

trusty bell: chopin's dreams: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6238

[WhatsHisFace]

Topdawg doesn't know ANYTHING.

[Mentok]

lost odyssey gameplay: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6161

trusty bell: chopin's dreams: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6238

Trusty Bell is looking good and Lost Odysey looks like a hardcore Final Fantasy... I might just get back into RPG gaming after all ;)

[Mentok]

YEah I read it as well, I guess this means that the Xbot FUD spreaders trying to claim flagging issues will shut up now. Though, like the core PS3, this alledgedly won't be a long term solution without the HDMI port. But that's years away anyway.

110 titles? I'm pretty sure Sony will have more, there will be over 500 titles at TGS this year.

Its a japanese show... The majority of those titles are 'Wireless' games like Hentai games for phones and stuff.

*edit*
My english skills rawk :up: :(

[The Last Meatbag]

And Topdawg's crucifiction grows nearer :csad:

[Addendum]

And Topdawg's crucifiction grows nearer :csad:
"We can wash him in wine and make him all clean and into Sam Zittle's crucifixion machine!!! Twirl the gawhirl and release the gavlease and in go the nails as fast as you please."

[lars573]

Oh, thanks a lot.
It wasn't that though, I meant that if someone would explain to Topdog would Microsoft would not just "stretch the image" in more technically correct lingo.
Hmm, OK. They speak of filtering the image to make a 720P image a 1080P image. I guess it's easier than delaying the 1080i images to make full frames.

But an upconverted 720P to 1080P won't look like ****e either. Unfortunatly the only examples I have are a side by side of Toshibas A1 HD-DVD player vs. it's upconverting DVD player. Which according to the testers, Pop-sci magazine, looked near identical.

[Fran]

You really can't notice the difference between 1080p and 1080i, unless you have a high-end and amazingly huge HDTV.

[Topdawg]

Topdawg doesn't know ANYTHING.

Its funny how you never say anything useful, you just come in with your retarded one-liners that makes you seem more stupid than you already are.

Just stop posting, you have been OWNED.

you havent even replied to my post that OWNED you.
you cant even explain why you think i was wrong, you retarded *****.:whatever:

[Avalanche]

^

I think he has you on ignore. He probably didn't see the post in which you 'owned' him.

[Topdawg]

Dont really give a ****.

[Avalanche]

I was just pointing out this is why he hasn't replied to your post. He can't see it.

[Darphnugget]

I thought this was a forum for conversation not flaming

[THWIP*]

I thought this was a forum for conversation not flaming


LOL.....WHAT A NOOB. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/24.gif

[Mentok]

I thought this was a forum for conversation not flaming

Just enjoy the randomness of the boards :up:

Like this...

http://www.*********.com/files/room18/469927/J%20Idol/q3.jpg

[Mentok]

SONY respond...

"It's unfortunate that Microsoft's external HD-DVD drive will not enhance the experience at all for the gamer. Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies. PS3 uses the Blu-ray format for gaming, giving developers 50 GB of high-definition storage on a single disc, while Microsoft's 9 GB DVD gaming format is an obstacle for storing HD content. Furthermore, Microsoft's announced HD games patch is really just a compatibility feature -- upscaling lower-resolution content does not make it Full HD (1080p), something that PS3 can do out of the box."

Ok then...

1 - DVD9 is NOT an obstacle to HD content... Especially games. SONY are the only group claiming that DVD9 is far too small and ancient to store HD games.

2- Sont claiming once again that only true HD is 1080p and only if the image is first processed as that is it 'true 1090p' Once again SONY are the only group that believes this.

3- The difference between 720p and 1080p is (most of the time) impossible to tell, even on the highest quality 1080p Native TV sets (something that less than 3% of HD TV owners have).

5- Most of sonys games will be designed for 720p and upscaled by the PS3 to 1080p (if thats the resolution setting on the console) So their argument that Xbox is not doing true 1080p is even more stupid.

[블라스]

Best picture EVER.

[Mentok]

I knew you would like it :)

[블라스]

I wish I could be in it :(

[Danalys]

sony actually have 1080p games annouced. microsoft don't. while 720p games will be treated the same on both systems. upscaling is stretching the image. that's what upscaling means. now there are some fancy ways to stretch an image but it's still not giving you anymore pertanent visual information. now i do not discount 1080p games on the 360. but they are going to be as rare as 720p games were on the x-box. they'll be far more commen on the PS3 because it was designed with that in mind all along. Virtua tennis 3 as it stands right now, is running in 1080p on the PS3 while at 720p on the 360. there'll be lots of live arcade games availiable in 1080p i should think.

[THWIP*]

sony actually have 1080p games annouced. microsoft don't. while 720p games will be treated the same on both systems. upscaling is stretching the image. that's what upscaling means. now there are some fancy ways to stretch an image but it's still not giving you anymore pertanent visual information. now i do not discount 1080p games on the 360. but they are going to be as rare as 720p games were on the x-box. they'll be far more commen on the PS3 because it was designed with that in mind all along. Virtua tennis 3 as it stands right now, is running in 1080p on the PS3 while at 720p on the 360. there'll be lots of live arcade games availiable in 1080p i should think.


AND YET, THEY WILL LOOK IDENTICAL, TO THE AVERAGE EYE, ON THE AVERAGE HDTV......WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT.

[Danalys]

reports say different and you haven't seen it yourself to judge. unless you mean the average HDTV is 720p but then ofcourse you wouldn't be able to see the difference. it's like if i said they all look the same on an average tv. that doesn't mean that 720p isn't an improvement over pal or ntsc.

[THWIP*]

reports say different and you haven't seen it yourself to judge. unless you mean the average HDTV is 720p but then ofcourse you wouldn't be able to see the difference. it's like if i said they all look the same on an average tv. that doesn't mean that 720p isn't an improvement over pal or ntsc.


WHAT "REPORTS"? :dry:

[Danalys]

just people in the know who have claimed things before they became public knowledge before. it might have been verified in online articles by journalists who also saw both versions side by side. but i cannot remember the specifics.

[THWIP*]

just people in the know who have claimed things before they became public knowledge before. it might have been verified in online articles by journalists who also saw both versions side by side. but i cannot remember the specifics.


OH.......SO IN OTHER WORDS, SOURCES WHOSE OPINIONS ARE JUST AS RELIABLE AND BELIEVABLE AS YOUR OWN. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

[Mentok]

I wish I could be in it :(

Me too buddy... Me too :(

[블라스]

I'll be positive.
I will be in a situation like that next year :up:

[THWIP*]

Me too buddy... Me too :(


MAN, I WISH I WAS AT HOME.......I'D PS YOUR FACES OVER THE GIRLS' FACES. :wow: :woot:

[Mentok]

YAY!.. No, Wait... :( :mad:

[블라스]

:eek: :(

[Mentok]

:cmad:

Good Night Blas and Kevin :(

I will be on XBL in the morning so if you guys will be on we will do some shooting :)

(this time with no problems and Blas Translating for Me and Kevin :mad: )

[블라스]

Yay!
Good night then.
6 or 7 pm for us, right?

[THWIP*]

:cmad:

Good Night Blas and Kevin :(

I will be on XBL in the morning so if you guys will be on we will do some shooting :)

(this time with no problems and Blas Translating for Me and Kevin :mad: )



NIGHTY-NIGHT DUDE. :)

[Mentok]

Hey... we might have CoD3 MP Demo to shoot each other on by the weekend ;)

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250854

[Mentok]

NIGHTY-NIGHT DUDE. :)

Good Night :cmad: :( :erotic: :dry: :meow: :yay: :ninja:

[CM Punk]

I actually hope that no games use this. 1080p is so useless it's not even funny, I really don't want to see system resources get taken up by something like this when they could be better used for something else.

[WhatsHisFace]

1080p isn't going to be a resource hog. It can't be much worse than 1080i, either.

[Fran]

Call of Duty 3 looks alright. I just wish Infinity Ward was making it.

[CM Punk]

1080p is a resource hog. It means less ram and less bandwidth to work with, so that you can use a resolution that less than 2% of 360 owners will be able to take advantage of. There's no point to it, it was stupid for Sony to try and make it seem 'standard' and it'll be stupid if Microsoft does the same. 720p is perfectly fine for this gen.

[Avalanche]

^

How many accounts are you going to go through before you finally give up?

[WhatsHisFace]

I agree, but 360 games will look better than PS3 games anyway.

[CM Punk]

^

How many accounts are you going to go through before you finally give up?
Three.

[Fran]

I agree, but 360 games will look better than PS3 games anyway.

Agreed. I'd love to see Sony fail tremendously with the PS3.

I mean, come on! Would you want to pay close to $1,000 for every car and track for GT HD?

[Avalanche]

^

You're not very determined.

[Avalanche]

Agreed. I'd love to see Sony fail tremendously with the PS3.

I mean, come on! Would you want to pay close to $1,000 for every car and track for GT HD?
$1000 dollars?! I think someone has their figures messed up.

GT:HD isn't going to make PS3 fail. People just won't buy the game.

[CM Punk]

Wait, what's GT:HD, and why does it cost $1000? Is it like Steel Battalion? :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

You have to buy every piece of content in the game, from cars, to tracks, separately.

[Avalanche]

^

Which, as I Sony fan, I will agree is completely stupid. Even more stupid is the fact the game is just GT4 on the PS3. Even more stupid is that they're bringing out a taster of GT5 as a game in it's own right.

Just give us the real GT5 please and don't bother with all the other crap.

[WhatsHisFace]

What stinks is that the PS3 is compatible with the REAL GT4, but people will still buy this for no reason.

[CM Punk]

Oh, Gran Turismo. Yeah, that's absolutely retarded. That's one thing I don't like about having stuff like the Marketplace around, it's nice when developers give you downloadable content thats cool and awesome but not really necessary, but it's an easy thing for them to make you pay extra for content that would otherwise be "required". Just look at Lumines Live, they actually charge you for different components of the game.

[Dark_Lord]

Sony: We've Got the Real 1080p

In the wake of yesterday's 1080p news from Microsoft, Sony has responded by downplaying the Xbox 360 upgrade. Sony also said it is "unfortunate" that the upcoming HD DVD player for 360 won't improve gaming on the console. [Update: Microsoft responds]


Yesterday we reported on Microsoft's HD DVD plans (in Japan) and the somewhat surprising news that with the fall software update the Xbox 360 will be 1080p capable.


Many industry observers have viewed these moves by Microsoft simply as "me too" announcements. Sony has invested a lot in the PlayStation 3 and Blu-ray, and you can bet their marketing team will soon be emphasizing the Blu-ray functionality and 1080p output. Microsoft surely doesn't want to be buried by all this talk, and so they can now claim to have a high-definition movie player and 1080p output as well—at least that seems to be the general thinking.


So what is Sony's reaction to this latest Microsoft news? Brian Crecente of the popular Kotaku blog heard from Dave Karraker, senior director for corporate communications at Sony Computer Entertainment America, who harped on the fact that the HD DVD player won't improve the gaming experience on the 360 (MS still insists it won't be used for games).


"It's unfortunate that Microsoft's external HD-DVD drive will not enhance the experience at all for the gamer," said Karraker. "Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies. PS3 uses the Blu-ray format for gaming, giving developers 50 GB of high-definition storage on a single disc, while Microsoft's 9 GB DVD gaming format is an obstacle for storing HD content."


As for Microsoft's 1080p announcement, Karraker noted that the software update still doesn't enable true HD on the Xbox 360. "Furthermore, Microsoft's announced HD games patch is really just a compatibility feature -- upscaling lower-resolution content does not make it Full HD (1080p), something that PS3 can do out of the box," he said.


[UPDATE] After getting word of Sony's comments Microsoft told GameDaily BIZ that contrary to the SCEA statement, "The facts are that with this software update, video and game content developed for 1080p will be output at 1080p -- native, not upscaled. Only content developed for lower resolutions will be upscaled."


[UPDATE 2] There's been a lot of talk about the problems associated with 1080p output over a component connection (because of digital rights management), and that on the Xbox 360 1080p would only be possible via VGA or an as yet unannounced HDMI connection for the console. However, an MS spokesperson told us today that 1080p can be done on either VGA or component, but that they haven't confirmed it will be done over a component connection. "More details will come on how we're outputting but it won't require HDMI," the rep said.

source: http://www.gamedaily.com/ (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13877)

[THWIP*]

YEah I read it as well, I guess this means that the Xbot FUD spreaders trying to claim flagging issues will shut up now. Though, like the core PS3, this alledgedly won't be a long term solution without the HDMI port. But that's years away anyway.

110 titles? I'm pretty sure Sony will have more, there will be over 500 titles at TGS this year.


BUT 'SONY' HAS 'PS2' AND 'PSP' TITLES INCLUDED IN THEIRS.......AND THEY DON'T COUNT, IN THIS RACE. :o

[THWIP*]

source: http://www.gamedaily.com/ (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13877)


POSTED, IN SHORT, ON PAGE 2 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10168942&postcount=40)........AND PREDICTED BY ME, ON PAGE 1 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10160546&postcount=5). ;)

[Zenien]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8478750

For component, you get gaming up to 1080p, and 1080i for HD DVD. DVD only works at 480p over this connection. The latter two are due to restrictions in DVD CCA and AACS rules for DVD and HD DVD playback respectively.

1080p is supported over VGA for DVD, HD DVD and gaming output. And yes, AACS does allow 1080p over VGA (classified under authorized "computer monitor outputs").

Microsoft can't just violate the AACS guys! :eek:

[THWIP*]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8478750



Microsoft can't just violate the AACS guys! :eek:


SINCE WHEN DO THEY PLAY BY THE RULES? :o :oldrazz:

[CM Punk]

Microsoft is known for shady business dealings, this is no surprise. It's ridiculous to restrict the ouput like that anyways.

[Dark_Lord]

POSTED, IN SHORT, ON PAGE 2 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10168942&postcount=40)........AND PREDICTED BY ME, ON PAGE 1 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10160546&postcount=5). ;)

didnt see it :o ....sorry :woot:

[Zenien]

SINCE WHEN DO THEY PLAY BY THE RULES? :o :oldrazz:

They play by them! :mad:

loosely...:o

[THWIP*]

They play by them! :mad:

loosely...:o



MORE LIKE THEY BREAK THE RULES, AND REWRITE THEM TO SUIT THEIR NEEDS.......AFTER FINES AND COURT COSTS, OF COURSE. :o

[Avalanche]

They're currently brawling with the European Commission over the release of Vista. I'd like to see the Commission slap another massive fine on them for their arrogance.

[CM Punk]

They can ***** and moan all they want, but Vista will end up getting released when Microsoft says it's ready and exactly as Microsoft wants to release it. This isn't exactly the first time that Microsoft and it's crack legal team have heard the word "anti trust", and the idea of going after the security components in Vista, something that really isn't an anti-trust issue, but leaving all the other stuff alone, is just laughable. The Euro commission is useless.

[WhatsHisFace]

Europe is one thing, but Microsoft owns the US legal system.

[Avalanche]

They can ***** and moan all they want, but Vista will end up getting released when Microsoft says it's ready and exactly as Microsoft wants to release it. This isn't exactly the first time that Microsoft and it's crack legal team have heard the word "anti trust", and the idea of going after the security components in Vista, something that really isn't an anti-trust issue, but leaving all the other stuff alone, is just laughable. The Euro commission is useless.
Microsoft themselves have bemoaned the interference by the Commission might set back the European launch of Vista, and in fact cost some jobs.

Of course, it's all part of their campaign to bad mouth the EC, and was met with some widespread criticism. They're still trying to fight the EC over the last fine and conditions imposed upon them over Article 82, and it's a fight they'll lose.

[Darphnugget]

POSTED, IN SHORT, ON PAGE 2 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10168942&postcount=40)........AND PREDICTED BY ME, ON PAGE 1 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10160546&postcount=5). ;)

In response to the information bout sony... seems like they are starting to S*it themselves with numerous delays on the ps3 and bascally how many of the main backers have actually dropped making for the PS3.

[Mentok]

SONY now call their 1080p 'Full True HD' :o

[Mentok]

An explination...

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/09/21/xbox-360-hd-dvd-playback-maximum-1080i-via-component-1080p-vga/

If your 360 is hooked up via component cables:

* Xbox 360 games can be upscaled to 1080p. Titles that run in 1080p natively (none of which currently exist) will also display without a problem.
* HD-DVDs will display at 1080i maximum -- you can thank AACS for that.
* Normal DVDs will play at 480p. CSS prevents anything higher (though some upscaling DVD players conveniently ignore it).

If your 360 is hooked up via VGA cable:

* HD-DVDs, Upscaled DVDs and games can all display at 1080p with no copyright hassles.


If your 360 is hooked up via RF Adapter:

* You have bigger problems.

LAWL

[NOFX]

Thank god IM using a VGA!