The Official Final Fantasy XII Thread

[Zenien]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000F5IH2I.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V40084861_.jpg

Developed/Published By: Square-Enix
Release Date: October 31st, 2006
Retail Price: $49.99 USD
Visuals: 16:9 (widescreen) 480i

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Collectors Edition:
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http://www.gamestop.com/gs/ffxii/ffxii_casedetail.jpg

Release Date: October 31st, 2006
Retail Price: $59.99 USD

What do you get?:

Developer's interviews
History of FF Movie
FFXII Trailers
FFXII Japan Trailers
FFXII Art Gallery

Reviews:

Electronic Gaming Monthly: 8.5, 9.5, 9.0
Official PlayStation Magazine: 10 out of 10
(more to be added as they come out)

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Images
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Most of the game was designed by Yasumi Matsuno, of Tactics Ogre, Vagrant Story, and FF Tactics fame. Supposedly, Kawazu (SaGa series, Final Fantasy 2) took the reigns after Matsuno's departure.

Hitoshi Sakimoto (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter, FF Tactics, Gradius 5, Tactics Ogre, Ogre Battle, Vagrant Story, and others) created the music for this game, with a really popular rendition of the main Final Fantasy theme.

English Final Fantasy XII Introduction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRX3IXDjgQs) (Spoilers)

[Substance D]

nah, really?

[XwolverineX]

Collector's edition FTW.

[Substance D]

i ordered the 4 disc soundtrack from japan, and i have the collecter's edition preordered. i'm working on an ashe and fran hentai while i wait for the release.

[Zenien]

You aren't serious about the last part are you? :o

[Hades]

the characters look so generic.

[hey yo its sean]

So does your face, ass hole. Off with you.

[Substance D]

the characters look so generic.

no, i think you have it confused with elder scrolls: oblivion or gears of war.

[Zenien]

I've put down a pre-order for the Collectors Edition, but I think the regular cover looks just as good if not better. :(

[Avalanche]

When do you US folk get this? Not until February/March over here. :(

[Zenien]

October 31st. Darn your regions release dates suck. :(

[XwolverineX]

When do you US folk get this? Not until February/March over here. :(


Oh, yikes.

[Avalanche]

It's always like this for us. It sucks. It's the whole conversion to PAL standard.

[CrypticOne]

So there is no "main" character in this game, is there? I read that all the characters are the main ones.

[블라스]

That Collector's Edition sure looks pretty...

[Zenien]

http://i12.tinypic.com/4d1ppj6.jpg

As of Today. A lot of "The best FF since VII" comments are floating around.

[블라스]

Seriously?

[블라스]

Seriously?

[Havok83]

I've only played 2 FF games (X and X-2) and loved them so Im really looking forward to this.

[SouLeSS]

http://i12.tinypic.com/4d1ppj6.jpg

As of Today. A lot of "The best FF since VII" comments are floating around.

I've heard of maybe 4 of those sites, and some of their 'reviews' are from MARCH. Definatly not going to go off what they say. Now, PSM has a review from Oct 1st, which is likely becuse they got their hands on the game and actually reviewed it. Not some 20 minute demo or watching someone play it like most of the others probably did:whatever:

That said, I'm still going to buy it.

[Substance D]

I've heard of maybe 4 of those sites, and some of their 'reviews' are from MARCH. Definatly not going to go off what they say. Now, PSM has a review from Oct 1st, which is likely becuse they got their hands on the game and actually reviewed it. Not some 20 minute demo or watching someone play it like most of the others probably did:whatever:

That said, I'm still going to buy it.

LOL, what a tool. You do know these games come out in Japan a long time before they come out here, right?

[Avalanche]

Seriously?
Famitsu rated XII higher than any other Final Fantasy game

[블라스]

Famitsu rated XII higher than any other Final Fantasy game

Holy ****!!!

This could be the first FF game I actually buy brand new (besides FF2,3 SNES and FF7) :eek: :up:

[Zenien]

LOL, what a tool. You do know these games come out in Japan a long time before they come out here, right?

The Japanese version was released around that timeframe, a lot of sites did import reviews and had people playing it who can read Japanese.

[XwolverineX]

I want to know if the story is good. Story FTW..

[Avalanche]

I think the story looks to be one of the strongest in any Final Fantasy game. Looking forward to it.

[블라스]

Final Fantasy XII sold 1,764,266 copies on its first week in Japan, almost equaling the sales of Final Fantasy X in its first week.[11] The total number of copies sold stood at 2,150,671 after 5 weeks of release.[12] A Square-Enix conference report stated that Final Fantasy XII has sold more than 2.38 million copies in Japan as of May 24, 2006.[13]

On March 16, 2006, Final Fantasy XII became only the sixth game ever to receive a perfect 40/40 score from the Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu, as well as the first Final Fantasy game and the first PlayStation 2 title to do so. It is also the second Yasumi Matsuno title to garner a perfect score, the first being Vagrant Story. It was praised for its graphics, scenarios, game system, and the freshness it brings to the Final Fantasy series.[2]. The game has also been critically acclaimed by many reviewers outside of Japan despite not having been released yet. It was praised for its seamless transitions between FMV segments and the in-game engine.[14]

Final Fantasy XII was voted number one for Best Art Style on IGNs weekly Top Ten.[15]


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Yeah, this is going to rock.

[Havok83]

I want to know if the story is good. Story FTW.

from what Ive read and seen so far, the story looks to be amazing. I dont know much details besides that it will be politically based. More about the empire. One concern I had was that some told me that it was less character driven then FFX and one of the reasons I loved that game was bc of the characters. I connected with them and it appears that there's less of a focus with the FF12 characters. I hope this isnt the case.

[Substance D]

Basch is a badass.

[Fran]

OPM gave it a 10/10.

The reviewer said it was the best FF game for PS2.

[Avalanche]

^

In fairness, FFX is it's only real rival on PS2. X-2 and XI weren't true FF games.

[XwolverineX]

This and Rogue Galaxy will own my life.

[SouLeSS]

LOL, what a tool. You do know these games come out in Japan a long time before they come out here, right?

Sorry, I'm going off the whole "If it's not comming from America then the review doesn't matter because we're americans and we look at everything different than anyone else" situation.

[Substance D]

Sorry, I'm going off the whole "If it's not comming from America then the review doesn't matter because we're americans and we look at everything different than anyone else" situation.

Then you probably won't like a game that's created by japanese people, or the system that it's coming out on for that matter....

[Substance D]

here's the opening movie in ENGLISH. it's masterfully translated and subbed.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sw7J4-f7YF4

[Avalanche]

They have the endings up on Youtube already. I refrained.

[SouLeSS]

Then you probably won't like a game that's created by japanese people, or the system that it's coming out on for that matter....

I've liked nearly everything SQE has put out, so no.

[Havok83]

OPM gave it a 10/10.

The reviewer said it was the best FF game for PS2.
I just got mine in the mail and they said it was the best on the PLAYSTATION. I took that to mean PS1 and 2 so thats covering 7 games

[블라스]

Guys, I still don't 'get' the combat.

Real time? Menu/command based?

Also, will it have extras, like arenas, challenges, mini-games, etc?

That being said, I CANNOT wait to get the pretty Collector's Edition.

[Substance D]

Guys, I still don't 'get' the combat.

Real time? Menu/command based?

Also, will it have extras, like arenas, challenges, mini-games, etc?

That being said, I CANNOT wait to get the pretty Collector's Edition.

both.

[Havok83]

Guys, I still don't 'get' the combat.

Real time? Menu/command based?

Also, will it have extras, like arenas, challenges, mini-games, etc?

That being said, I CANNOT wait to get the pretty Collector's Edition.
The battles are in real time. The enemies are right there on the screen and there's no seperate screen for the battles. You select your attack on them and when your bar has charged up, you go in close to the enemy you want to hit and your character will automatically attack them. The enemies will also target and attack you and you can run away and try avoid getting hit. It'll take a little getting used to, especially for those used to the battles like in FFX

[블라스]

Sounds pretty cool :up:

[Avalanche]

Also, will it have extras, like arenas, challenges, mini-games, etc?
Check www.gamefaqs.com (http://www.gamefaqs.com)

A lot of the espers in FFXII are considered extras as the don't come with standard progress in the game, and I believe there is some kind of monster hunting extra too.

[블라스]

Thanks, Avalanche :up:
Yeah, I can't wait for this.

I'm also hunting for a good FF7 copy, but they're so expensive :(

[kytrigger]

Thanks, Avalanche :up:
Yeah, I can't wait for this.

I'm also hunting for a good FF7 copy, but they're so expensive :(

how much are they?

[블라스]

Starting at 67 bucks :o

[MrHateYourself]

I've only played 2 FF games (X and X-2) and loved them so Im really looking forward to this.

Damn. So really, you've only played one FF game. You're missing out on the (possibly former?) high point of the series, FF6. Pick up FF Anthologies, or track down an old SNES cart....or if you're a cheap bastard, resort to ROM piracy.

[Zenien]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Ffxiicase.jpg

Gaze upon the games cover in all of its glory. :o

[WhatsHisFace]

Why is there only one male on the cover, is this FF X-3?

[Zenien]

There are 3 people who are clearly male. :confused:

[Zenien]

Gamtrailers Preview (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=mov&id=14062)
Producer Interview (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=mov&id=14052)

[Substance D]

the graphics are beautiful

[Avalanche]

There are 3 people who are clearly male. :confused:
I presume he is attempting to make a statement about how effeminate the characters are.

[Avalanche]

Gamtrailers Preview (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=mov&id=14062)
Producer Interview (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=mov&id=14052)
Meh, I want this game so much, and it's so far away for me. :(

Graphics look great for a PS2 game.

[Avalanche]

Just been hitting Youtube. The following link has videos of the 'mist knacks' of all the characters. Their Limit Breaks if you will.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=final+fantasy+xii+mist

I'm liking Panelo's final one. :up:

[Havok83]

Ahhh, too many good games coming out at once. Im gonna have to wait to play this game when it comes out bc I dont want to start it and then take a break bc FF is the type of game that needs my full attention

[Sabretooth]

When is Square making the next Kingdom Hearts,dammit? :cmad: :csad:

[Substance D]

Meh, I want this game so much, and it's so far away for me. :(

Graphics look great for a PS2 game.

can't u just import a us version?

[Avalanche]

can't u just import a us version?
My PS2 isn't chipped, and I don't have a replay cartridge or equivalent. I'm not entirely sure how imported games work either to be honest, with UK being PAL. If additional leads etc are needed.

I can wait. I've waited long enough already. :csad: On the plus side, the UK release will fall just after my first set of third year exams when I can actually spend time playing it, rather than before, when I would have had to ban myself.

[Substance D]

My PS2 isn't chipped, and I don't have a replay cartridge or equivalent. I'm not entirely sure how imported games work either to be honest, with UK being PAL. If additional leads etc are needed.

I can wait. I've waited long enough already. :csad: On the plus side, the UK release will fall just after my first set of third year exams when I can actually spend time playing it, rather than before, when I would have had to ban myself.

yeah, i have alot of school work to do as well... i should be doing it now so i can get it out of the way... but i won't.

[jim_root_rules]

i really hope theres the original summons in dis game, like shiva an ifrit etc, cos i read sumwer dat they wer using dem names for air ships :| ..... but i did see one screenshot of a summon dat i wuld say is ifrit tho so i dunno...

[Substance D]

i really hope theres the original summons in dis game, like shiva an ifrit etc, cos i read sumwer dat they wer using dem names for air ships :| ..... but i did see one screenshot of a summon dat i wuld say is ifrit tho so i dunno...

yep, and all the summons will be named after the villians from final fantasy tactics.

[MrHateYourself]

When is Square making the next Kingdom Hearts,dammit? :cmad: :csad:

....dude, the world just GOT another one a few months back.

On a related note, has a sequel even been announced? Seems like a pretty premature expectation otherwise....

[Avalanche]

i really hope theres the original summons in dis game, like shiva an ifrit etc, cos i read sumwer dat they wer using dem names for air ships :| ..... but i did see one screenshot of a summon dat i wuld say is ifrit tho so i dunno...
The original summons aren't present in FFXII. :csad:

There are some cool looking summons still, but they're all a little but mechanical looking for my tastes.

[Zenien]

My PS2 isn't chipped, and I don't have a replay cartridge or equivalent. I'm not entirely sure how imported games work either to be honest, with UK being PAL. If additional leads etc are needed.

I can wait. I've waited long enough already. :csad: On the plus side, the UK release will fall just after my first set of third year exams when I can actually spend time playing it, rather than before, when I would have had to ban myself.

Normally I would feel very bad or you europeans, but this time around EVERYONE has had to wait for like 2 YEARS past when the game was originally suppose to come out. :o

[Avalanche]

Normally I would feel very bad or you europeans, but this time around EVERYONE has had to wait for like 2 YEARS past when the game was originally suppose to come out. :o
Lol. This is why the extra wait for the UK won't kill me. In comparison to how long I've already been waiting, it's nothing.

[Havok83]

Normally I would feel very bad or you europeans, but this time around EVERYONE has had to wait for like 2 YEARS past when the game was originally suppose to come out. :o
this game was supposed to come out in 2004?

[Iceman]

When do you US folk get this? Not until February/March over here.
We get everything last. :mad::cmad::mad::cmad::mad::cmad::mad:

[jim_root_rules]

The original summons aren't present in FFXII. :csad:

There are some cool looking summons still, but they're all a little but mechanical looking for my tastes.

tht is so whack, square-enix need to fix up and go back to turn based fighting and bring back the original summons, they dnt need to make these wierd battle systems, im all for the different lvling up liek trhe sphere grid cos it just makes it more interesting but they need to keep the battle system and not invent these none turn based things, i mean to me its not gonna tht much of a ff with out the random battle tht i do belive they dropped as well.....

[MrHateYourself]

this game was supposed to come out in 2004?

Basically. Kinda like we've had to deal with constant push backs of thew new Zelda-we should have been playing these things by 2005, not practically 2007.

But hey....maybe it means they'll be ze greatest....

[Zenien]

8 Days Left

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~mbarney/images/balthier1.jpg

[블라스]

Zenien's bed...:dry:

[Zenien]

Taken from Neogaf.

Anyway take a look at the sexy collectors edition a bit more.

http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10096/FFXII_case3.jpg
http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10096/FFXII_case2.jpg

[블라스]

That's the one that I want.

[Tojo]

FF hasn't had an AMAZING game since VII imo. 8 was good, 9 was uninspired, 10 was atrocious, the basic premise of 10-2 made me want to self-harm etc.....but this has been a long time coming, if it's 3/4 as good as VII i might just wet my panties.

The gameplay looks nice, graphics succulent. Not sure about the story yet. My only quip is the main character design looks a bit flat. VII's characters, for example, were as diverse as you can get.

In FF12 everyone looks like a lesbian

[Substance D]

advent children was corny. what's up with all the lead characters looking like gackt?

[XwolverineX]

advent children was corny. what's up with all the lead characters looking like gackt?

Ugh, you really suck. :down

[Avalanche]

FF hasn't had an AMAZING game since VII imo. 8 was good, 9 was uninspired, 10 was atrocious, the basic premise of 10-2 made me want to self-harm etc.....but this has been a long time coming, if it's 3/4 as good as VII i might just wet my panties.
Bah, VIII was a great game, no just good.

As for the Advent Children comment, they're bringing out an extended version now. Annoying.

[Zenien]

advent children was corny. what's up with all the lead characters looking like gackt?

I'm pretty sure the lead characters all looked different. O_O

[Iceman]

Bah, VIII was a great game, no just good.

As for the Advent Children comment, they're bringing out an extended version now. Annoying.Agreed on VIII, possibly my favourite.

Do you know when the extended version of Advent Children is coming out in the UK?

[Avalanche]

Do you know when the extended version of Advent Children is coming out in the UK?
I wouldn't hold my breath that we're definately getting it. Advent Children was fairly niche. An extended version may get passed over.

It was a while before the original came to the UK after Japan.

[Ice-man]

^ oops i stole half your user name :P

[Havok83]

I most likely wont touch this game till sometime next month or December after I finish MUA, Bully and probably go back to Yakuza

[Zenien]

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They have a decent Final Fantasy XII segment complete with debate an new (awesome looking) footage.

Starts at: 11:30

[SouLeSS]

Anyone that says FF9 was a bad game, has no right to speak, whatsoever about Final Fantasy Games.

[Zenien]

I've never played FF9, a lot of people seem mixed on it.

[SouLeSS]

Go obtain it somehow and play it through. It is one of the top 3 FF games.

[Substance D]

it had one dimensional, cookie cutter characters, big headed, cartoony graphics and an uninspired storyline... it's good for little kids, so i understand why souless thinks so highly of it....

[Zenien]

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3154731

[Substance D]

just 4 days left ;)

[Zenien]

just 4 days left ;)

One could even say that this is... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKKs_vWJmVY)

[Substance D]

One could even say that this is... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKKs_vWJmVY)

holy ****, i can feel it. :wow: :wow: :wow:

[SouLeSS]

it had one dimensional, cookie cutter characters, big headed, cartoony graphics and an uninspired storyline... it's good for little kids, so i understand why souless thinks so highly of it....

:whatever:
You've obviously never played any of the FF's before 7.

[Fenrir]

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3154731

Someone to needs to give bomb-threats to Square-Enix to coax those bastards to release the damn game already. :cmad:

[JustABill]

:whatever:
You've obviously never played any of the FF's before 7.
The ones before 7 are good and all, but they are in the past. The past is something you should never dwell upon. Things change. Times change.

That's why 9 sucks so bad. It's like reverting all the damn good that 7 and 8 brought. It's taking a step back.

[Avalanche]

Anyone that says FF9 was a bad game, has no right to speak, whatsoever about Final Fantasy Games.
The only other FF games I rank below IX was X-2. FFIX was one of the worst in the series for me. I still enjoyed it, but not nearly as much as the others.

[Avalanche]

One could even say that this is... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKKs_vWJmVY)
I love this song! :D

[Warhammer]

I want this game so bad.
I'm getting it right on the 31st.

XII got Game of the Month on Game Informer, so it must be that good.
Plus, I'm an avid FF and General RPG fan. :D :up:

[War Party]

IGN gave it a 9.5:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/741/741991p1.html

I wish my brother never sold our PS2, without asking me byt he way, but I think I'm going to try borrowing my cousin's to play this game. I'm Final Fantasy obsessed, even though I didn't play XI because I don't like MMORPG's, but I must have this game.

[Avalanche]

How often can one say, "The wait was worth it" and truly mean it? When is it okay to claim that, "This is one of the best examples of [insert genre here] ever" and not just say it for cliché's sake? But most importantly, when does a game with momentous hype and anticipation actually live up to media, consumer, and competitor expectations? The answer to all three of those questions is a simple one, "When you're playing Final Fantasy XII."

The opening paragraph sold it to me. That said, it's Final fantasy. I was sold years ago. :p

[Avalanche]

one of the best storylines for any genre on any system for the entire year
You bet your ass it is.

[MrHateYourself]

FF hasn't had an AMAZING game since VII imo. 8 was good, 9 was uninspired, 10 was atrocious, the basic premise of 10-2 made me want to self-harm etc.....but this has been a long time coming, if it's 3/4 as good as VII i might just wet my panties.

NINE was uninspired, but EIGHT was GOOD?! Uninspired, as in "oh, what a coincidence, all the characters grew up together just a few years ago and we've all forgotten about it already, wow isn't that deep!"? Ohwait...that was 8. Nevermind.

Not that 9 is innocent....all is well until the last disc, when Squaritis steps in:the main character is actually related to the main villain in some way and there's a world destorying scheme afoot! Plus, there's another villain who's REALLY in charge and will now mysteriously appear!

10 has been the best since 6-unlike the other games, it had something to say. Something topical and relevant. How anyone who appreciates a good tale can't appreciate the allegory of 10 is beyond me....unless you're blinded by religion as the confused characters of 10 were. That's 10's only really big falling point....they never really covered what happened when all of society realized that their religion was false and their way of life contrived.

Anyhow. 7 flat out sucked ass and was the most shallow, juvenile and boring game in the series. Well, maybe not as bad as 5. Eitherway, read on, and realize that your golden icon....actually sucks.

http://toastyfrog.com/toastywiki/index.php/Site/FinalFantasyVII

[Avalanche]

^

Oh I think we have a FFIX fan. :p I don't know what it was about the game, but it just never gelled with me. It's just not as memorable as the others. Great games should be memorable.

[Fenrir]

NINE was uninspired, but EIGHT was GOOD?! Uninspired, as in "oh, what a coincidence, all the characters grew up together just a few years ago and we've all forgotten about it already, wow isn't that deep!"? Ohwait...that was 8. Nevermind.

Yup. Hated that in FFVIII. The game was good, but I still consider it as a second-tier Final Fantasy.

Not that 9 is innocent....all is well until the last disc, when Squaritis steps in:the main character is actually related to the main villain in some way and there's a world destorying scheme afoot! Plus, there's another villain who's REALLY in charge and will now mysteriously appear!

I've yet to finish FFIX. My 4th disc ****ed up and I never got around to finishing it yet. :(

10 has been the best since 6-unlike the other games, it had something to say. Something topical and relevant. How anyone who appreciates a good tale can't appreciate the allegory of 10 is beyond me....unless you're blinded by religion as the confused characters of 10 were. That's 10's only really big falling point....they never really covered what happened when all of society realized that their religion was false and their way of life contrived.

Actually, I didn't care much for FFX the first time I played it. I decided to give it another go a couple of months ago and I can't believe how much more I loved it the second time through. The game's story has a very human core to it and the plot is a lot more intimate than in other Final Fantasies. I simply loved the father-son subplot of Tidus and Jecht. And Auron's side of the plot was so well written I honestly believe it's one of the best character arcs ever to grace a videogame. You get so much more out of FFX on a subsequent playthrough, I advise everyone who's played the game to give it a try. Really, the game's a masterpiece. It's just not apparent on first impression.


Anyhow. 7 flat out sucked ass and was the most shallow, juvenile and boring game in the series. Well, maybe not as bad as 5. Eitherway, read on, and realize that your golden icon....actually sucks.

http://toastyfrog.com/toastywiki/index.php/Site/FinalFantasyVII

Strongly disagree. A lot of his criticisms aren't even valid. The "poor English dialogue" argument holds no weight because it was butchered in translation and that's a well-known fact. "Annoying archetypes and cliches"? Yeah, fits about 99.9% of games stories like a glove. A lot of his jabs is simply mindless fanboy bashing. I'd give a damn about what he said if he at least tried his hand at proper criticism with some objectivity but he's made it obvious from the start that he has an axe to grind with the game and it shows.

FFVII still undeniably ranks right up there with FFVI, FFX, Xenogears and the Chrono games as one of the finest turn-based RPGs ever created. :up:

[Iceman]

NINE was uninspired, but EIGHT was GOOD?! Uninspired, as in "oh, what a coincidence, all the characters grew up together just a few years ago and we've all forgotten about it already, wow isn't that deep!"? Ohwait...that was 8. Nevermind.

Not that 9 is innocent....all is well until the last disc, when Squaritis steps in:the main character is actually related to the main villain in some way and there's a world destorying scheme afoot! Plus, there's another villain who's REALLY in charge and will now mysteriously appear!

10 has been the best since 6-unlike the other games, it had something to say. Something topical and relevant. How anyone who appreciates a good tale can't appreciate the allegory of 10 is beyond me....unless you're blinded by religion as the confused characters of 10 were. That's 10's only really big falling point....they never really covered what happened when all of society realized that their religion was false and their way of life contrived.

Anyhow. 7 flat out sucked ass and was the most shallow, juvenile and boring game in the series. Well, maybe not as bad as 5. Eitherway, read on, and realize that your golden icon....actually sucks.

http://toastyfrog.com/toastywiki/index.php/Site/FinalFantasyVIIWhy should one negative article amongst the many positives change the mind of somebody who originally liked the game? Surely they are capable of making the decision themselves.

Personally, I liked VII, VIII and X. Not so keen or IX or X-2.

[Fenrir]

Great games should be memorable.

Not necessarily, as there are plently of truly great games that have faded into obscurity.

[Avalanche]

Personally, I liked VII, VIII and X. Not so keen or IX or X-2.
Pretty much identical to my views on the series. :p

[Avalanche]

Not necessarily, as there are plently of truly great games that have faded into obscurity.
I can remember all the 'great' games that I've played. They're memorable for me, if not the general public.

Of course, some games are memorable for other reasons. I remember some of the really crappy games I've played too. It's the ones in the middle that fade into obscurity.

[Speedball]

Holy crap. Circuit City has the game for 37.99 this week.
HAHA to all you people who reserved it at Gamestop and EB.

[Iceman]

Pretty much identical to my views on the series. :pGreat taste :up: :woot:

[CrypticOne]

Holy crap. Circuit City has the game for 37.99 this week.
HAHA to all you people who reserved it at Gamestop and EB.

Yeah, I just read that in the ads in todays paper. I'm glad I didn't reserve it. Come Tuesday my first stop is Circuit City. I mean one of the greatest games coming to PS2 for $38, thats a big wow to me.

[Speedball]

Yeah, I just read that in the ads in todays paper. I'm glad I didn't reserve it. Come Tuesday my first stop is Circuit City. I mean one of the greatest games coming to PS2 for $38, thats a big wow to me.
I know, watch them be sold out. That would be just my luck. I'll have to get there early.

[kytrigger]

I know, watch them be sold out. That would be just my luck. I'll have to get there early.

If they are sold out, then you can usually take their ad to a competitor like Best Buy (not sure if gamestop would do it) and if you show them the ad, they will sell it to you for the same price.

[블라스]

This game looks brilliant, I want it.

[Iceman]

I'll expect to see your all reviews up here soon. Us poor Brits have months to wait :(

[Avalanche]

Agreed.

Though, if you're going to put any spoilers down, use spoiler tags. Part of the beauty of Final Fantasy games is the surprises, and there are supposed to be many a twist in XII. We want to find them out ourselves. :p

[MrHateYourself]

I've yet to finish FFIX. My 4th disc ****ed up and I never got around to finishing it yet. :(

Well, here's the jist of it....skip it if you don't want to be spoiled. Zidane is a runaway member of genetically engineered monkeytailed superrace by the big bad guy, and the cloud thing you constantly saw was the real bad guy. It never bothers to explain who, what, why it is, you simply smash it and run. That's the jist of it. Pretty disappointing, really. Oh, and then there's a bullet time effect, too.

[MrHateYourself]

Holy crap. Circuit City has the game for 37.99 this week.
HAHA to all you people who reserved it at Gamestop and EB.

HAHA to anyone who reserves games...."I gotta reserve a copy! You know how long and complicated a process stamping a tiny piece of plastic is! Gotta make sure I have one, in case they don't print millions of a best selling series on the first day...I might have to wait a day or two otherwise!"

[Substance D]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/chiboyz/secondcomingff12.jpg

Anyone else picking it up tonight?

BTW, for those of you having second thoughts on the CE after seeing the CC ad - you can always cancel and get your deposit back. I was thinking about doing that, since the CE strategy guide is 30 dollars and I don't want to spend $100 on one game, but I want to play now so I'm shelling out the extra cash. The CE strategy guide comes with an artbook, which I'd prefer over an extra DVD with videos that will be on youtube in a few weeks.

[Substance D]

Dear god, Rabanastre is friggin' huge...

The voice acting and writing is so good in this game. It's like poetry.

[Sloth7d]

So far I loved all the FF's from I to tactics to XI. My favs being VII, VIII, and X. Only one I hated was X-2 which is non-canon to my deluded mind. Anyway, I hope the trend of greatness continues with XII and soon to be released XIII. And hopelly I will have FFXII by the end of today.

[Sloth7d]

Great taste :up: :woot:
I guess that means I have great taste too. IX was still good though. But X-2 sucks.

[Avalanche]

Only one I hated was X-2 which is non-canon to my deluded mind.
I consider it non-canon as part of the trye Final fantasy series as games, but canon in terms of storyline.

[Iceman]

I guess that means I have great taste too. IX was still good though. But X-2 sucks.From your posts in other threads, you have good taste in women, not so much when it comes to annoying film characters. :woot:

[Fenrir]

OK chums, I played through the first hour or two of the game and man, am I loving it. :up:

[Avalanche]

^

In the IGN review they stated the first 5 or 6 hours were really slow to get into, but it really took off from there. If you're liking it from the off, it bodes well.

On a side note, I hate everyone who gets to play this game before February.

[Fenrir]

Well one thing a bit annoying about the game is that it's noticeably tougher compared to other Final Fantasies I've played this far. I'm pretty sure players are bound to come across a lot more "Game Over" screens in this one.

[Avalanche]

IGN mentioned that too. :p

Apparantly some of the monsters you stumble across in the field are tougher than you can handle. It's not as separated as it used to be in terms of levels.

[Fenrir]

IGN mentioned that too. :p

Apparantly some of the monsters you stumble across in the field are tougher than you can handle. It's not as separated as it used to be in terms of levels.

Yeah, I mean you just randomly run into some big monster thinking you can handle but get your ass kicked without notice. And it's not even easy to flee from the buggers considering they won't let you run away without giving a good chase and landing a couple of attacks to your back while they're at it. :mad:

[Substance D]

Well one thing a bit annoying about the game is that it's noticeably tougher compared to other Final Fantasies I've played this far. I'm pretty sure players are bound to come across a lot more "Game Over" screens in this one.

only if you don't pay attention. stay away from yellows and reds and it shouldn't be a problem.

[Substance D]

Fran's voice is sexy. The Judges are badass.

[MrHateYourself]

A few hours in, it feels like Phantom Menace crossed with FF9....heavy MMO influence...only complaints so far are the jerky vocal recording qualities, and **** load times/zones.

I'm thinking this will become a favorite....

[MrHateYourself]

and soon to be released XIII.

Let's not be too hasty to declare "soon" for a game with no release date....and do remember how "soon" 12's release was two and a half, three years ago? ;)

[Substance D]

Basch reminds me of Keifer Sutherland...

[Avalanche]

Is Basch the new Auron?

[Substance D]

Is Basch the new Auron?

That's what I thought too at first, but he's really not that badass. He seems more like the caring, fatherly type... Fran seems more like Auron.

[Avalanche]

Is Fran not the new Lulu? :p

[Substance D]

Is Fran not the new Lulu? :p

Maybe a mix of Auron and Lulu. She's mysterious, sexy and kickass. She must get the sexiness from Auron. ;)

Ashe is a ***** so far. The haughty, stuck up ***** you wanna boink to put her in her place.

[Fenrir]

Is Basch the new Auron?

I don't think we'll ever get an Auron in FFXII. Maybe that's a good thing though. Auron was too amazing and memorable a character to be imitated with half-assed efforts.

[Warhammer]

Just got the game. (Collector's Edition)
Will be playing it soon.

[Substance D]

So, I'm in the Luhju Mines or whatever, and there's areas where skeletons will endlessly respawn. I set my gambits up so I can just leave the room, and my characters will keep killing them and then heal themselves. It's pretty sweet for leveling.

[Havok83]

The Liscense Board confuses the heck out of me

[Fran]

Is the game good, anyone :huh:

[TheCardPlayer]

I recently got rid of my PS2...then my friend came along tonight with this game.


Holy ****. Screw Wii for a while. FFXII is AWESOME!

[The Dude]

I would love to be playing FF XII right now. I really hate when stores don't have the games in yet. So I'll have to wait till thursday to get it because I between work and school I can't get it tommorow. :(

[Havok83]

Is the game good, anyone :huh:
Its Final Fantasy. I thin that speaks for itself

[블라스]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasy12/review.html?sid=6160816&tag=topslot;action;2&om_act=convert&click=topslot

9.0 :up:

The Good: Inspired art direction and a strong cast of characters draw you into the world; lengthy quest spans dozens of hours of gameplay; redesigned strategic combat system offers considerable depth and complexity; all battles are fought in context while exploring, so no random encounters; excellent music and voice acting.

The Bad: The gambit and license-board systems are complicated to get used to; a bit too much running around back and forth in some spots.

[TheCardPlayer]

That's it. I'm buying this crap and a PS2 tomorrow(for the fourth time). Will get the guide too. Looks too freaking cool for me to pass up.


One question. If I remove Vaan from the party and stick three other characters...Does that means he's off the map too? Or are we stuck with him in towns?

[블라스]

What the hell do you guys do to your Ps2's to break them so much? Do you rape them? :confused:

Mine has been working perfectly for like 6 years now :huh:

[Havok83]

What the hell do you guys do to your Ps2's to break them so much? Do you rape them? :confused:

Mine has been working perfectly for like 6 years now :huh:
lol...Mine has been working fine as well. I only get 2 DREs with Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution and MGS2S, but other than those, my PS2 works fine after 5 years

[kytrigger]

What the hell do you guys do to your Ps2's to break them so much? Do you rape them? :confused:

Mine has been working perfectly for like 6 years now :huh:

I've been wondering that too. I got mine the day they came out, and it has always worked fine. The weird art is that it seems most people are either one their first one still, or on like their 4th, which makes me think that it is just the way the system is handled or where it is placed that is really the problem.

[블라스]

lol...Mine has been working fine as well. I only get 2 DREs with Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution and MGS2S, but other than those, my PS2 works fine after 5 years

Ugh, I need VF4: Evo cause VF5 ain't coming to the 360 anytime soon :(

[블라스]

I've been wondering that too. I got mine the day they came out, and it has always worked fine. The weird art is that it seems most people are either one their first one still, or on like their 4th, which makes me think that it is just the way the system is handled or where it is placed that is really the problem.

Yeah....I still say they're sticking their small penises inside their Ps2s :(

[Zenien]

My year 1 PS2 is working fine aside from not playing movie DVDs or PS1 games. But all things equal it was a suprisingly early model when I looked it up. It boggles the mind how some people say they're on their 4th PS2...

[Fenrir]

Yeah, surprising how only the PS2s of Sony fanboys work so well even after many, many years yet everyone else's keep just keep screwing up. :dry:

[Zenien]

Yeah it's amazing how Xbots and sony haters not only own a PS2 but are on their 4th and 5th PS2.

[Zenien]

Ffxii Is Released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fenrir]

Yeah it's amazing how Xbots and sony haters not only own a PS2 but are on their 4th and fithed PS2.

Yeah, this "Sony hater" was in fact the first one on this board to get his hands on FFXII and post first-impressions. Yeah, you're really reaching there. Yeah, let this be the last time you play that worn-out "Xbot" card on me, mmkay?

Fanboys...:whatever:

[Zenien]

Hey it's not my fault you drop kick your PS2s. :o

See you should realize that when I said Xbots and Sony haters, I was saying that as a general statement when you were the one who also decided to go a similar route and say that anyone who isn't on their 2nd or 5th PS2 is a PS2 fanboy who must be lying.

So let's call a spade a spade and we can both drop it, you were one who brough fanboys into the equation, not me. Which, were we to go by your little judement here makes you worse then you're viewing me as. I was perfectly happy to leave well enough alone, I'm not the one who acused anyone who says they're still on their first PS2 as being a lying biased fanboy. You're one that started that little exchange.

So how about you talk a bit more about FFXII?

EDIT: And y'know, honestly, I wasn't calling you a fanboy or meaning to. :dry:

":whatever:"

[Zenien]

Awesome you've been wrking on that reply for 9 minutes.

[Zenien]

Hurry up I want to go to bed. :cmad:

[Fenrir]

Hey it's not my fault you drop kick your PS2s. :o

Or Sony just makes suckass hardware that simply doesn't last.

See you should realize that when I said Xbots and Sony haters, I was saying that as a general statement when you were the one who also decided to go a similar route and say that anyone who isn't on their 2nd or 5th PS2 is a PS2 fanboy who must be lying.

OK, so if you didn't aim that Xbot comment at me, still doesn't change the fact that I'm on my 3rd PS2. And my post was intended to shed some light on the sheer coincidence about the fact that even though it's pretty much common knowledge that the PS2 hardware blows ass in terms of longevity, none of the PS2s belonging to Sony fanboys, I mean none have ever had any problems whatsoever, even after "years" of constant use. A little too convenient, doncha think? :whatever:

So let's call a spade a spade and we can both drop it, you were one who brough fanboys into the equation, not me. Which, were we to go by your little judement here makes you worse then you're viewing me as. I was perfectly happy to leave well enough alone, I'm not the one who acused anyone who says they're still on their first PS2 as being a lying biased fanboy. You're one that started that little exchange.

Only difference being the point that you're a self-proclaimed, shameless bastion of Sony on this board whereas I'm more even-handed (with slight favoritism towards the 360 because of it's better games) compared to you. So no, I'm not "worse" than you in any way possible.

So how about you talk a bit more about FFXII?

That flowerhead Cactaur is a ***** to kill. :cmad:

[Fenrir]

Awesome you've been wrking on that reply for 9 minutes.

I always multi-task, so it's always better not to hold your breath waiting for my reply. :o

[Zenien]

blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhedit

[Avalanche]

Yeah, surprising how only the PS2s of Sony fanboys work so well even after many, many years yet everyone else's keep just keep screwing up. :dry:
I promise mine is genuinely still working fine, and it's a launch PS2. It's been yanked off my desk a good few times when I've tangled a controller around my leg. The only time my PS2 struggles is when playing certain, older blue PS2 discs, in which case I have to tilt the PS2 around until the disc is read. Tekken Tag Tournament is a pain in the ass for that. Other than that though, my PS2 chugs along fine.

And meh, just to moan again, I want FFXII now. :(

[Zenien]

That flowerhead Cactaur is a ***** to kill. :cmad:

Sounds good I'll pick up my copy tommorow, I'm drunk bye. :csad:

EDIT: Talk about FFXII, the thread deserves better :sad:

[블라스]

Yeah, surprising how only the PS2s of Sony fanboys work so well even after many, many years yet everyone else's keep just keep screwing up. :dry:

I'm not a ps2 fanboy :dry: :(

I thought we were friends :mad:

[Fenrir]

I'm not a ps2 fanboy :dry: :(

I thought we were friends :mad:

Your PS2 didn't break?? You're dead to me!! :cmad:

[블라스]

Your PS2 didn't break?? You're dead to me!! :cmad:

That seems harsh....but fair :(
Goodbye, my friend...:csad:

[Fenrir]

Goodbye, my friend...:csad:

http://files.photojerk.com/Killphaser/villianowl.jpg

[Havok83]

Yeah, surprising how only the PS2s of Sony fanboys work so well even after many, many years yet everyone else's keep just keep screwing up. :dry:
maybe they are fans of Sony bc their systems work! I swear Ive had my PS2 for 5 years and only ever have a problem with 2 games and thats probably my own fault bc I have used Swap Magic in the past and I hear that bad media can affect your laser.

[블라스]

http://files.photojerk.com/Killphaser/villianowl.jpg

http://www.orlyowl.com/owlmedley.gif

[sandwraith]

I'm a little worried about picking up this FF. I've kinda been cursed when it comes to Final Fantasy. Having played...borrowed...urm...procured FF7, 8 and 10 I've never seen a single one thru to the end. Yes I've considered the very likely possibility that I am a sucky gamer but aside from FF I tend to breeze through other RPGs pretty comfortably (Suikoden, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile etc....) also I've read that this FF's style resembles a game called Vagrant Story. Never played it so I'm a little reluctant. Is it easy to pick up or will it be problemati for a player like me?

[Avalanche]

^

Any system can be picked up given a proper chance. After Final Fantasy, the break system in Xenosaga Episode II was pretty alien to me, but I eventually got used to it. FFXII is a little more difficult than previous games, but you'll pick it up.

I remember how difficult I found junctioning in FFVIII at first, but before long it was second nature.

[sandwraith]

Will give it a shot. Is it true that the game has some Mid-East influences? Dalmasca sounds very much like Damascus to me

[블라스]

Eurogamer = 10/10

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=69380

[Avalanche]

The game is supposed to be heavily European, or so the reviews say. Europe of the past at least.

[Substance D]

judge ghis is difficult.

[Mr. Credible]

i didn't like the way this game started off, but after like, 5 or 6 hours, i'm really starting to love the battle system, and the story is taking off quite nicely!

this might end up being my favorite final fantasy after 7 and 8 (i'd never played the 'old' ones)

[Substance D]

Will give it a shot. Is it true that the game has some Mid-East influences? Dalmasca sounds very much like Damascus to me

they've all had mid-east influences in some way...

[sandwraith]

I'm cool with that. Alright, time to make some money. Any other games I should look out for? I have a habit of buying two games at once. Pls don't say MK:A.

[Substance D]

I'm cool with that. Alright, time to make some money. Any other games I should look out for? I have a habit of buying two games at once. Pls don't say MK:A.

i'd get something that you won't have to devote much time too, since if you play ff12 you're gonna be spending all your time with that :)

[sandwraith]

hrmm...senseless violence or mindless action......Ratchet and Clank it is then, being eyeing that game for a long long while

[Substance D]

hrmm...senseless violence or mindless action......Ratchet and Clank it is then, being eyeing that game for a long long while

lol, i was thinking about getting that or jak 2 when i bought ff12, but i ended up buying the CE and the CE strategy guide and altogether it was almost 100 dollars so I probably won't be buying much of anything for a while... oh well, whenever i get a new ff, i don't need much substenance. i eat about one meal a day, and sleep 4 hours a night, the rest of my time is spent playing ff.

[CrypticOne]

This game is amazing. I bought it yesterday, and the characters are great as are the cinematics. Vaan reminds me of Tidus though, I don't know why. The story is great so far.

[Substance D]

This game is amazing. I bought it yesterday, and the characters are great as are the cinematics. Vaan reminds me of Tidus though, I don't know why. The story is great so far.

vaan's voice is so much better than tidus's. i'm glad they went with a real teenager this time, and not some 30 yr old pretending to be one.

yeah, the cinematics are sharp. fast paced and well directed. the world is so huge too. it feels real and alive.

the villians are badass. there's even a boba fett type character. he has a buzzsaw staff, it's awesome.

[CrypticOne]

vaan's voice is so much better than tidus's. i'm glad they went with a real teenager this time, and not some 30 yr old pretending to be one.

yeah, the cinematics are sharp. fast paced and well directed. the world is so huge too. it feels real and alive.

the villians are badass. there's even a boba fett type character. he has a buzzsaw staff, it's awesome.

That fire horse that you had to fight in the sewers was bada**.

[War Party]

vaan's voice is so much better than tidus's. i'm glad they went with a real teenager this time, and not some 30 yr old pretending to be one.

yeah, the cinematics are sharp. fast paced and well directed. the world is so huge too. it feels real and alive.

the villians are badass. there's even a boba fett type character. he has a buzzsaw staff, it's awesome.

Come on. Billy West doing Tidus' voice was a nice surprise. I liked it.

[Substance D]

Come on. Billy West doing Tidus' voice was a nice surprise. I liked it.

Is that sarcasm? :huh:

[War Party]

Is that sarcasm? :huh:

I love Billy West and his work on Futurama was excellent, but yes. That was sarcasm.

[Substance D]

I love Billy West and his work on Futurama was excellent, but yes. That was sarcasm.

Okay, lol. Wasn't sure, 'cause the guy did do voicework on Futurama... Bender played Wakka though and he did a great job.

[War Party]

Okay, lol. Wasn't sure, 'cause the guy did do voicework on Futurama... Bender played Wakka though and he did a great job.

Yeah, Tidus sounded exactly like Fry, so it never sounded right to me. But anyway, who else doesn't have a life because of this game? It's really damn good.

[Arkady Rossovich]

When did the game come out?How much does it cost in the USA?

[SouLeSS]

The game got leaked about a week or two ago, so if someone wants it, they have it.

It's gonna be 49.99 though USD.

[Benstamania]

Really need to pick this up on Friday. I think the main character looks like a total dweeb though, hate his look. I think they should start making main characters look like FFIV's Cecil.

He was awesome.

[War Party]

Came out yesterday. And you can get it for $37 at Circuit City.

[Substance D]

Really need to pick this up on Friday. I think the main character looks like a total dweeb though, hate his look. I think they should start making main characters look like FFIV's Cecil.

He was awesome.

He's not really the main character.

[Iceman]

To those that have played it: Is the game as good as expected???

[Zenien]

He's not really the main character.

Isn't sort of like FFVI where it's not truely one characters story? THey're all a part of the bigger story, sort of thing.

My EB blows so I won't be getting my copy until tommorow.

[Substance D]

Isn't sort of like FFVI where it's not truely one characters story? THey're all a part of the bigger story, sort of thing.

My EB blows so I won't be getting my copy until tommorow.

Well, you can switch Vaan out of the party altogether and just pretend he doesn't exist. But Vaan is pretty cool, IMO. :o I use Basch, Ashe and Fran though. I think this is the only Final Fantasy that actually encourages you to stick with the same three party members throughout the entire game...

[sandwraith]

Vaan kinda reminds me of Hugo from Suikoden III (in looks) and Yuuki from Grandia 3 in character. I read a little of his story. Just like Yuuki he wants to fly though in his case he wants to be an air pirate (Skies of Arcadia?). I do like his look though. Maybe people are getting tired of J-RPG's generic "young bright-eyed" protagonists especially when compared to socially inept (I mean that in a good way) characters like Cloud or Squall

[MrHateYourself]

In regards to the "system quality" debate....

Sony, Microsoft...whatever, neither can take a fall like Nintendo products.

Microsoft? Recalled Xboxes and 360s from launch, blue screen of death, red ring of death, who knows what of death my copy of Vista will show me, Microsoft has a rightly earned reputation for having never put out anything reliable.

Sony? I've never actually met ANYONE who had a problem with any Sony product, only read about a few cases on forums like these.

However, regarding any system, everyone here is clearly forgetting the biggest factor in how well something will work:it's delivery.

Ever worked for a shipping company like UPS, or a retailer like WalMart? I have, and let me tell you-those things are abused to hell and back on their entire delivery. At every stop. So you got a wonky PS2, 360, whatever-not neccessarily the fault of the parent company, consider how many hands have picked it up, stacked (thrown?) it, unstacked it, slammed it onto a conveyor belt, slammed it onto a pallet or shipping crate, moved it to something else for further delivery, randomly tossed into your Walmart delivery truck, falls out of the truck while unloading, chunked into an overstock shelf, then manhandled by careless employees.

Oh, WHY can't Apple or Nintendo manufacture everything for everyone?

....actually, that's what we need. Apple/Mac needs to get into the console business. Ohyes.

Anyhow, back to FF12....so far, me likey still....equipping/licenses are a little over complicated, but probably because I'm still being stingy with LP....I'm AMAZED by the graphics-for lower polygon count, they've crammed an awful lot into every fully 3d scene....

[War Party]

Am I the only one who likes the license system? I find it very easy to use and it encourages you to battle rather than to avoid enemies. I'm loving this game. I officially have no life right now.

[Substance D]

Am I the only one who likes the license system? I find it very easy to use and it encourages you to battle rather than to avoid enemies. I'm loving this game. I officially have no life right now.

I like it too. It's very simple and easy to use. I think alot of people are intimidated by it, but it's not that complicated once you get used to it.

I like all the weapon and armor choices in the game, and how they're all balanced out. It really makes for some interesting strategy and customization.

Everything about the game is just so much more sophisticated than previous installments. To me, this game feels like the Batman Begins of Final Fantasy...

[War Party]

I like it too. It's very simple and easy to use. I think alot of people are intimidated by it, but it's not that complicated once you get used to it.

I like all the weapon and armor choices in the game, and how they're all balanced out. It really makes for some interesting strategy and customization.

Everything about the game is just so much more sophisticated than previous installments. To me, this game feels like the Batman Begins of Final Fantasy...

I agree with everything you just said.

[CrypticOne]

Basch is a very good character. My favorite so far.

[CrypticOne]

Am I the only one who likes the license system? I find it very easy to use and it encourages you to battle rather than to avoid enemies. I'm loving this game. I officially have no life right now.

The license system is very nice I think. Very easy to use. Your whole party can be white mages which I think is pretty cool. I also like the Gambit system.

[War Party]

The license system is very nice I think. Very easy to use. Your whole party can be white mages which I think is pretty cool. I also like the Gambit system.

Yeah, the gambit system is a fresh addition.

[Substance D]

Basch is a very good character. My favorite so far.

I like them all, but Basch is special because of his resemblance to Jack Bauer. :o :oldrazz:

[Fenrir]

I like it too. It's very simple and easy to use. I think alot of people are intimidated by it, but it's not that complicated once you get used to it.

I like all the weapon and armor choices in the game, and how they're all balanced out. It really makes for some interesting strategy and customization.

What I don't like about the license system is that you have to purchase magic even after you've unlocked it for use.

[Substance D]

What I don't like about the license system is that you have to purchase magic even after you've unlocked it for use.

Yeah, for technicks and magicks I think it would make more sense to have trainers instead stores...

...but I think in the end, they just needed to make it harder to get ahold of spells.

[Fenrir]

Yeah, for technicks and magicks I think it would make more sense to have trainers instead stores...

That would've been great, just like in Oblivion where seeking out all the master level trainers was a quest in itself. Oh well, there' always another Final Fantasy. :up:

[Substance D]

That would've been great, just like in Oblivion where seeking out all the master level trainers was a quest in itself. Oh well, there' always another Final Fantasy. :up:

I dunno about that.... Looks like they're going back to the Nomura/J-pop stuff again with 13. :csad:

[Fenrir]

I dunno about that.... Looks like they're going back to the Nomura/J-pop stuff again with 13. :csad:

Then there's always another Elder Scrolls. :up:

[Substance D]

Then there's always another Elder Scrolls. :up:

Eww, gross. I only play Bioware and Final Fantasy games. Elder Scrolls is generic fantasy hodgepodge. :)

[Zenien]

I got my copy + Killzone Liberation :D x 10000

[Fenrir]

Eww, gross. I only play Bioware and Final Fantasy games. Elder Scrolls is generic fantasy hodgepodge. :)

Actually, it's the only series that is a true RPG in every sense of the word. And the "generic fantasy hodgepodge" that was Oblivion was actually reviewed more favorably across the board (94% at Gamerankings) than FFXII (92%). LOL, talk about poetic justice. :D:up:

[Substance D]

Actually, it's the only series that is a true RPG in every sense of the word. And the "generic fantasy hodgepodge" that was Oblivion was actually reviewed more favorably across the board (94% at Gamerankings) than FFXII (92%). LOL, talk about poetic justice. :D:up:

Good for it. I don't really care. I can see why people would like it, but I'd rather have a "psuedo-RPG" than a true RPG that looks bland and has a crap story.

[Fenrir]

I can see why people would like it, but I'd rather have a "psuedo-RPG" than a true RPG that looks bland and has a crap story.

And I'd rather have a true RPG that totally and completely immerses you in it's vast universe instead of some wannabe comparitively more linear adventure game pretending to be an RPG.

[Substance D]

And I'd rather have a true RPG that totally and completely immerses you in it's vast universe instead of some wannabe comparitively more linear adventure game pretending to be an RPG.

Um, that's nice? Final Fantasy XII, Balduer's Gate, KOTOR do all of those things but with better characters, a better story, and better art design.

Oh yeah, another edit - Final Fantasy is THE linear adventure game pretending to be an RPG. Not just some wannabe. Get it straight.

[Fenrir]

Um, that's nice? Final Fantasy XII, Balduer's Gate, KOTOR do all of those things but with better characters, a better story, and better art design.

FFXII and KOTOR are more linear and less vast and immersive than Oblivion. As for Baldur's Gate, surely you aren't comparing nearly a decade older D&D style RPG with the more recently released RPGs.

[Substance D]

FFXII and KOTOR are more linear and less vast and immersive than Oblivion. As for Baldur's Gate, surely you aren't comparing nearly a decade older D&D style RPG with the more recently released RPGs.

Baldur's Gate is a classic and the janitor at Bioware has more talent than the cut & paste hacks over at whatever studio that makes Elder Scrolls.

[Fenrir]

Baldur's Gate is a classic and the janitor at Bioware has more talent than the cut & paste hacks over at whatever studio that makes Elder Scrolls.

I fear for your sanity if you think so highly of Bioware's janitor of all people. I mean, I also love Bioware as much as the next guy but daayum, that's taking fanboyism to a whole new low. :(

And those "hacks" are still infinitely better than the pedophile sickos at Square Enix obsessed with pretty under-age boy protagonists and metrosexuals.

[Substance D]

I fear for your sanity if you think so highly of Bioware's janitor of all people. I mean, I also love Bioware as much as the next guy but daayum, that's taking fanboyism to a whole new low. :(

And those "hacks" are still infinitely better than the pedophile sickos at Square Enix obsessed with pretty under-age boy protagonists and metrosexuals.

I fear for yours, since you seem to take everything literally....

Nah, I prefer Square Enix. I'm sorry, I guess that makes me gay or something since I just oh so love those pretty little boys... :whatever:

No, but seriously, I can see why people think Oblivion is such a good game. Just not my cup of tea. If it wasn't so generic looking, I could probably get into it. But if I wanted a "truely immersive, open-ended experience" with elves, orcs and all those other standard fantasy cliches, I'd play Everquest. At least there's a chance I'd get to cyber or something...

[Fenrir]

I fear for yours, since you seem to take everything literally....

Pity it's impossible for you to distinguish between a tongue-in cheek statement and a serious one despite the presence of a smiley.

Don't tell me, looking at that smiley you ACTUALLY thought I was "sad" when I said that bit about fearing for your sanity. :eek:

Nah, I prefer Square Enix. I'm sorry, I guess that makes me gay or something since I just oh so love those pretty little boys... :whatever:

But of course it does. :ninja:

[Fenrir]

But if I wanted a "truely immersive world" with elves, orcs and all those other standard fantasy cliches, I'd play Everquest.

If your idea of a "truly immersive world" also includes hardcore jerks and annoying teenagers as well, hey, more power to you.

At least there's a chance I'd get to cyber or something...

Now that's just sad.

[Substance D]

If your idea of a "truly immersive world" also includes hardcore jerks and annoying teenagers as well, hey, more power to you.



Now that's just sad.

Hey, I put up with you, don't I? LOL. Yes, it is sad.

[Fenrir]

Anyways back on topic, man do I love Balthier. The guy is so calm, smooth, composed and charismatic, I'd want to be just like him in real-life. :O:up:

[Substance D]

Anyways back on topic, man do I love Balthier. The guy is so calm, smooth, composed and charismatic, I'd want to be just like him in real-life. :O:up:

Wait, just a moment ago you were making it seem like you hated metrosexual pretty boys.

[Fenrir]

Wait, just a moment ago you were making it seem like you hated metrosexual pretty boys.

Well, actually I do and sort of disliked Balthier too when I first saw him in the hovercraft cutscene. But I ever since I heard the bugger speak with his nobleman-like speech and accent and his cool, sophisticated demeanor, I've grown to think of him as a pretty kickass character. :up:

[Substance D]

Gee whiz, and I liked Vossler...

[Speedball]

Does anyone else get a V vibe from Balthier?
My good god the voice work is amazing. It makes hollywood films look like hackneyed pieces of s***.

[Substance D]

Does anyone else get a V vibe from Balthier?
My good god the voice work is amazing. It makes hollywood films look like hackneyed pieces of s***.

I know, the acting is superb and all the voice actors just click with their characters. The Judges sound noble, sophisticated and utterly badass. There's a real sense of respect between Basch and Vossler, as well as a mutual love of their homeland. The acting really is multi-faceted and engaging. I've never heard anything like it in a videogame before. :woot:

[Speedball]

Neither have I. I sit here, play the game, and I am in awe of the brilliance of the voicework. Fran's voice has to be my favorite though, it just sounds sexy and fits her perfectly.

[Substance D]

Neither have I. I sit here, play the game, and I am in awe of the brilliance of the voicework. Fran's voice has to be my favorite though, it just sounds sexy and fits her perfectly.

I don't play Final Fantasy. I live it. :word:

[sandwraith]

Actually, it's the only series that is a true RPG in every sense of the word. And the "generic fantasy hodgepodge" that was Oblivion was actually reviewed more favorably across the board (94% at Gamerankings) than FFXII (92%). LOL, talk about poetic justice. :D:up:


A true RPG leans more to Arcanum and Fallout. Now those were games that were great despite their lack of graphics. Fallout in particular truly rocked. Scourge of the Wastes...God I miss that title...

[MrHateYourself]

My good god the voice work is amazing.

the acting is superb and all the voice actors just click with their characters. The acting really is multi-faceted and engaging. I've never heard anything like it in a videogame before.

I am in awe of the brilliance of the voicework.

Never played a Metal Gear game, eh? ;)

At least those games could pronounce common words like "marquis". The recording quality of the vocals is sheer shame, I haven't heard anything that bad since Escape From Monkey Island.

A true RPG leans more to Arcanum and Fallout. Now those were games that were great despite their lack of graphics. Fallout in particular truly rocked.

And Wasteland, and....ohman. I need to track down Fallout....

Tangent time:I see/hear people (not here) whining about a lack of overworld map again "like 10", meaning "you don't get to choose where you go", it's "on rails".....I hate to break it to the kids, but it's always on rails. You can't change the time or destination of any plot points or how they happen. Getting a different screen between Narshe and Figaro didn't mean FF6 wasn't "on rails".

Star Trek movies:the even numbered ones are supposed to be the good ones. Final Fantasy games:the even numbered ones feature a main character who has a prominent facial scar.

[sandwraith]

"On rail" games are pretty storyline focused. Outside of Fallouts 1 and 2 (the best IMO), there are few RPGs out there, J or otherwise that allows players to truly sidetrack from the story and still have a few good kicks. Then Random Encounters system in Fallout was a thing of beauty because it truly was random and you never know whats gonna happen. If Japanese RPG makers catch on to this system of random encounters rather than random battles, it will give the games much higher replay value.

[sandwraith]

And Wasteland, and....ohman. I need to track down Fallout....




Dude, not that I'm endorsing it or anything...but why don't you try Bittorrenting it and using Daemon. Fallout's an old...old...old game and it won't be easy to come by. If you've got the speed and the space on your com, I suggest just downloading it

[Substance D]

Never played a Metal Gear game, eh? ;)

At least those games could pronounce common words like "marquis". The recording quality of the vocals is sheer shame, I haven't heard anything that bad since Escape From Monkey Island.

The writing in MGS is horrendous. The actors in FF12 have better material to work with. MGS characters sound like 80's cartoon characters.

"Marquis" can be pronounced numerous ways:

mar‧quis [mahr-kwis, mahr-kee; Fr. mar-kee]

noun, plural -quis‧es, -quis [-keez; Fr. -kee]
a nobleman ranking next below a duke and above an earl or count.

They probably went with an obscure version to make it sound more exotic, or unique to Ivalice.

[MrHateYourself]

Dude, not that I'm endorsing it or anything...but why don't you try Bittorrenting it and using Daemon. Fallout's an old...old...old game and it won't be easy to come by. If you've got the speed and the space on your com, I suggest just downloading it

Eh...two problems. One, basic principle of the thing. It IS an old game though.....

Two, until I finish building my new uberPC, it'd be really hard to get a PC game to play on a Mac. ;)

Fallout was great though, another prime example of why games like FF7/Halo/etc are so highly praised by console gamers....they have no clue just how far behind and shallow their gems are compared to PC titles. There'll eventually be a game like that for a console and it will be treated like some kind of new genre, despite actually being old hat.

Another minor gripe about FF12....the music is awful. Nothing remarkable about it yet. The opening cinematic had some decent stuff, but everything else has been meh and way to synthesized.

Hopefully this combat system will stick for future titles...

[Substance D]

Fallout was great though, another prime example of why games like FF7/Halo/etc are so highly praised by console gamers....they have no clue just how far behind and shallow their gems are compared to PC titles. There'll eventually be a game like that for a console and it will be treated like some kind of new genre, despite actually being old hat.

I find myself enjoying both types of games equally... I guess that means more fun for me.

[CrypticOne]

Does anyone else get a V vibe from Balthier?
My good god the voice work is amazing. It makes hollywood films look like hackneyed pieces of s***.

Hmm. Kind of. Now that you mention it.

[Havok83]

oh crap, I just finished MUA and Im really tempted to start playing FF12 but then I still have Yakuza and Bully to complete. I dont really feel like going back to them now but not sure if I want to start FF12 yet. Oh what the hell. I'll boot up my disc later tonight

[Avalanche]

Play FFXII. It's be better than pretty much any other game you own.

[Havok83]

Play FFXII. It's be better than pretty much any other game you own.
I think I will. Smackdown vs Raw 2007 and Tony Hawk 8 are coming out next but luckily those are games that can just be picked up and dropped and not story based games. I think I will start to actually play FF12. Dont see myself doing much else for the next few months...lol

[Substance D]

I think I will. Smackdown vs Raw 2007 and Tony Hawk 8 are coming out next but luckily those are games that can just be picked up and dropped and not story based games. I think I will start to actually play FF12. Dont see myself doing much else for the next few months...lol

That's a good boy. :yay:

[CrypticOne]

Okay, I need some help. Right now I'm trying to get to Ashe and my team just can't beat the judges. Does anyone have any advice?

[Substance D]

Okay, I need some help. Right now I'm trying to get to Ashe and my team just can't beat the judges. Does anyone have any advice?

My characters basically did all the work on that one. If you're really desperate, run past them into the next room. There's a shop and save point.

Did you cast protect on your fighters? Also, try focusing on one judge at a time so you have less damage to worry about. If you're getting swarmed, disable a few enemies with slow or immobilize. I really didn't have to do that though. My characters just attacked and healed on their own.

Unless you're talking about Judge Ghis. But both battles are about the same difficulty wise.

[CrypticOne]

My characters basically did all the work on that one. If you're really desperate, run past them into the next room. There's a shop and save point.

Did you cast protect on your fighters? Also, try focusing on one judge at a time so you have less damage to worry about. If you're getting swarmed, disable a few enemies with slow or immobilize. I really didn't have to do that though. My characters just attacked and healed on their own.

Unless you're talking about Judge Ghis. But both battles are about the same difficulty wise.

So I can just skip Judge A and B? Thanks. What level were your characters when you was at that point?