Episode 2 Discussion

[Mixairian]

What? I'm just starting the topic like 3 hours early, that's all. :) I'm very much looking forward towards tonight's episode. I am curious if they're going to build on any of the other characters or just focus on introducing more.

[The Squirrel]

I was just going to make this thread.

Oh well.

Looking forward to tonight's episode.

[Warhammer]

So was I, oh well. :o

...Dang, I wanted to dig in more into that racist in the "bad stereotype" thread.

[Farren]

Watching now...

I think it's contrived if Claire's dad turns out to be a baddie...I just don't like it...

[Mixairian]

Man I love the japanese language. The capability of sounding really hardcore or adorable is a few pitches/tones away.

[Farren]

"9th Wonders" - how is this grammatically correct?...unless they move to 9th Street

[Gold Samurai]

man could they have made Hiro more of a stereotypical japanese person in this ep http://rangerboard.com/images/smilies/105.gif where was the camera around his neck that most japanese tourist have and take pictures of everything >_>

"wassup!"

"britney spears!"

"go yankees!"

the comic art looked like "superman for all seasons" type

[Farren]

man could they have made Hiro more of a stereotypical japanese person in this ep http://rangerboard.com/images/smilies/105.gif where was the camera around his neck?

"wassup!"

"britney spears!"

"go yankees!"
awww, he was cute though!

Oh, and how convenient that the tape cut out :whatever:

[Dark Phantom]

why do they keep showing that shadow of a plane flying overhead? Is this foreshadowing something? Maybe the atomic bomb over NYC?

[Gold Samurai]

whoa! that was freaky with Claire re adjusting her head! Anyone think her being invulnerable will be like that movie "death becomes her?"

[Dark Phantom]

man, alot of s**t is happening in this episode. Too much. They better pace themselves or this series will end too early.

[Farren]

wow - this is some graphic stuff!

[Leto]

awww, he was cute though!

Oh, and how convenient that the tape cut out :whatever:

Actually it just went static-y and then all the screaming started.

I thought it was a little funny that when she came back to it was four hours later and she was wearing a different colored shirt.

And patient Zero is apparently a man named Syler who I am now absoluetly scared ****less of.

[The Question]

the comic art looked like "superman for all seasons" type

It was. The artist of For All Seasons, Tim Sale, is doing all of the art for the precog.

And patient Zero is apparently a man named Syler who I am now absoluetly scared ****less of.

Obviously, he was the professor's father's first test subject who found that he enjoyed using his powers to kill things.

[Farren]

o booo - I didn't want Pete to have powers.

[O'Haire]

Nice ending.:wow:

[Farren]

Nice ending.:wow:yeah, that was great. freaky but exciting.

[SoulManX]

Ok I like the Parkman sub plot and Mohinder reminds me of a Professor X without power...or like Adam Kane from Mutant X.

[phoenixflight]

Wow, that was great!! We have learned so much from this episode, opening many new doors for the rest of the season. November 8 is a huge day - WOW!! That was amazing and scary.

[Mixairian]

Dude, that was bloody insane.

[blksuperman2]

Good Ep. I am intrigued

[GNR]

I wanted Nathan and his bro to have more face-time.Nikki and the jailbait chick dominated this episode in terms of face-time.

[SoulManX]

I wanted Nathan and his bro to have more face-time.Nikki and the jailbait chick dominated this episode in terms of face-time.

What can u say jail bait is a hottie:o

[Mixairian]

I wanted Nathan and his bro to have more face-time.Nikki and the jailbait chick dominated this episode in terms of face-time.

http://imdb.com/name/nm0659363/

1989, she's legal in some parts of this country.

[Dark Phantom]

ok so lets get this straight. Between the time of October 2 and November 8th, these heroes will have to combine forces with the help of that indian scientist in order to stop that atomic bomb.

However, Hiro showed us that the man who can predict the future has been murdered on that day. Question is who killed him and what events are leading up to this event?

[Farren]

Mohinder - slightly more interesting...but his plot is still one of the weaker ones imho

Peter and Nathan - personally I think it would have been bolder and more interesting to make Peter powerless and give it all to Nathan. I'd love to see Peter pushing Nathan to embrace his powers (which I'm sure he'll do anyway) - but it would have been an interesting twist of Peter (who wanted them so badly) didn't have an abilities.

Hiro - amazing, again. I can't believe I could love the guy more.

Nicki - intruiging but if they don't get somewhere with her character I'm going to lose interest

Claire - like her a lot, but she didn't do much this episode

Matt (the cop) - I think I'll like him - good casting

[Tempest19]

This was great. Envelope pushing. And moving ALOT faster than I originally thought.

[Gold Samurai]

Wow, that was great!! We have learned so much from this episode, opening many new doors for the rest of the season. November 8 is a huge day - WOW!.



I wonder if thats when Heroes takes its break for a few months..............it would be some cliffhanger


seems Peter can draw the future as well. The preview with one of the brothers flying away from some people looked great.

gruesome deaths though. Prehaps Hiro can stop Mr. Isaacs death

[Mixairian]

ok so lets get this straight. Between the time of October 2 and November 8th, these heroes will have to combine forces with the help of that indian scientist in order to stop that atomic bomb.

However, Hiro showed us that the man who can predict the future has been murdered on that day. Question is who killed him and what events are leading up to this event?

We assume Syhler, as he was the dude responsible for chopping the heads off the others.

I wonder if thats when Heroes takes its break for a few months..............it would be some cliffhanger


seems Peter can draw the future as well. The preview with one of the brothers flying away from some people looked great.

gruesome deaths though. Prehaps Hiro can stop Mr. Isaacs death

I still don't think the guy can fly. Someone else mentioned siphoning. Empathy theorhetically could do that. To feel as one can feel, that could possibly be BSed into powers as well. He did after all have contact with the artist.

The artist needs to be high to paint the future and Nathan had to be upset to draw.

And that's Mr. Isaa-ka!

[Docker2.0]

I loved the episode but I don't know the characters names yet. How can they use their abilities to stop a threat and not look crazy? Also to, I can see why they compared the show to Lost. It's kind of the same format. Different story but same format. As long as they don't get crazy and lame as Lost, i'll continue to watch. :o

[SoulManX]

Mohinder - slightly more interesting...but his plot is still one of the weaker ones imho

Peter and Nathan - personally I think it would have been bolder and more interesting to make Peter powerless and give it all to Nathan. I'd love to see Peter pushing Nathan to embrace his powers (which I'm sure he'll do anyway) - but it would have been an interesting twist of Peter (who wanted them so badly) didn't have an abilities.

Hiro - amazing, again. I can't believe I could love the guy more.

Nicki - intruiging but if they don't get somewhere with her character I'm going to lose interest

Claire - like her a lot, but she didn't do much this episode

Matt (the cop) - I think I'll like him - good casting

U don't care for Mohinder:huh: Besides Hiro and Parkman I like him.

[Mixairian]

I loved the episode but I don't know the characters names yet. How can they use their abilities to stop a threat and not look crazy? Also to, I can see why they compared the show to Lost. It's kind of the same format. Different story but same format. As long as they don't get crazy and lame as Lost, i'll continue to watch. :o

I've not watched Lost, so can you indulge me and tell me the format?

[phoenixflight]

Isaac painted the future beyond his dead - he painted the destruction of NYC which was after he was murdered.

Is the murder superpowered - able to travel outside of time?!?

[Mixairian]

Isaac painted the future beyond his dead - he painted the destruction of NYC which was after he was murdered.

Is the murder superpowered - able to travel outside of time?!?


... What?

Isaac saw the future. The destruction of NY. He painted it. Seeing the future does not mean going into the future.

The day of NY's destruction he is murdered before hand, his murder is less important than the catastrophe that befalls NY and thus was the vision he saw.

[Corinthian™]

I just saw this show and my jaw dropped:wow:

Amazing

I think Hiro can travel through time, but I think he must be in that place. Kinda like he traveled all the way to NY via airplane and all that... think Butterfly effect

but this show is ****ing awsome.. I love it:csad::up:


and what is the power of the MILF anyways:huh:

[Goddessreicho]

Just finished watching...omg. It has a lot of freggin potential. Sure the dialog can use a little help, and the characters are a little...familiar, but the plot is going somewhere fast.

The pacing was brilliant. It helped the cheese be more tasty. The blood was great, it was more like a graphic novel setting.

Dislikes: Painter, the Mother of the bros, Girlfriend of the Painter, the mob references...and that's about it for now.

Loves: The Cop (J.J. Abrams friend whats-his-face) the telelpathy in a guy who is down on his luck, goofy, and unlucky is brilliant. He has the greatest amount of character devolpment potential, IMO. Hiro, nuff said, the neighbor, the villian, the serial killer (if it's not the same person), all can make one heckofa story.

So whats my opinon after the second episode




Heroes > 4400 by miles.

[SoulManX]

Has anyone read the online comic yet?

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_001.shtml

[Holly Goodhead]

I dont understand this show.

[Corinthian™]

I dont understand this show.
you are a blonde

[SoulManX]

I dont understand this show.

It's not meant for everyone:yay:

[Mixairian]

Has anyone read the online comic yet?

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_001.shtml
Flash comics FTL
I dont understand this show.
When you're pretty, understanding is not a prerequsite for anything.

[Holly Goodhead]

you are a blonde

And youre Mexican. I'm the lesser of 2 evils. Explain to me then what's going on. There's a serial killer who takes peoples brains? The artist was dead? Or did Hiro just see the future? Nicki has 2 personalities? when the other takes over she blacks out for that time period? who is that girl with the hot Indian guy?

[SoulManX]

Noah might turn out to be like a Mr. Fantastic...

[Darkdd]

Did anyone else notice that the curly 'f' shape from Isaac's paintings(when Hiro was there in the shop) flashed across the computer screen that Mohinder and the girl were watching?

[Holly Goodhead]

it was in the pool too, in the backyard of the murder scene house.

[Corinthian™]

There's a serial killer who takes peoples brains? YES

The artist was dead? HE DIED, YES

Or did Hiro just see the future? HIRO CANNOT SEE THE FUTURE, HE CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME

Nicki has 2 personalities? when the other takes over she blacks out for that time period? AS FAR AS WE KNOW, I THINK SO

who is that girl with the hot Indian guy? SOME GIRL :huh:

[unknownuser]

The ending blew me away :D :up:
but I too am concerned about the short time period/build up to the climax

[Leto]

So are we officially revealing spoilers or not? I'll tag everything just in case.

The way I interpret Hiro's power is that if he bends time to say, go forward, it will eventually bend back. In the next episode it looks like he learns to stop time which I think'll be pretty cool.

Oh and Syler is the name of the serial killer guy. I think he has super-strength and ice-powers but has to consume brains in order to power them. I think this guy holds a lot of potential. Does anyone know who was doing the voice of Syler in the phone-recording?

Apperantly Nicki has been having trouble with her mirror-double for longer than anyone else thought. It be humorous if she's just insane and has no actual super powers.

I think the cop guy has a lot of potential. Did anyone else think the detective arresting him was hot? (She was and I don't care what the rest of you have to say)

[Corinthian™]

it sucks that it will only be 7 episodes long:down:csad:

[SoulManX]

And don't forget the cheeleader's dad knows her powers....:wow:

[Docker2.0]

I've not watched Lost, so can you indulge me and tell me the format?
I've watched Lost twice and it's got to be the dumbest show ever! But its similiar to this show becuase it keeps you guessing...........and maybe the producers don't really know what the final product but go from episode to episode and keeps you wondering what happens next or why are they there or what's the connection.

[Mixairian]

And youre Mexican. I'm the lesser of 2 evils. Explain to me then what's going on. There's a serial killer who takes peoples brains? The artist was dead? Or did Hiro just see the future? Nicki has 2 personalities? when the other takes over she blacks out for that time period? who is that girl with the hot Indian guy?

We don't know much about the "super villain" right now. The options are as follows: he's strong, telekinetic, fast, artic abilties.

Hiro can bend/alter/tear through the time space continuum... This means he can stop time, speed it up, slow it down. More advanced uses of this ability would be to alter the spectrum: time travel, teleportation, etc.

Hiro teleported to NY, weeks into the future. Basically he saw the future as they were.

As for Nikki, the term is Diassociative Identity Disorder. Mental illnesses in conjunction with powers is always fun.

We also discovered where the boy's father went.

As for the hot girl---someone I wouldn't mind tapping. ;)

[Docker2.0]

double freakin post!

[Holly Goodhead]

it sucks that it will only be 7 episodes long:down:csad:

There's 13 episodes. Maybe more if the ratings are good.

[Triligors]

Great episode

[Holly Goodhead]

I've watched Lost twice and it's got to be the dumbest show ever! But its similiar to this show becuase it keeps you guessing...........and maybe the producers don't really know what the final product but go from episode to episode and keeps you wondering what happens next or why are they there or what's the connection.

Lost is 100x better than Heroes. The producers know the final product.

[lost&crazed]

I think the curly looking 'f' is the sign of Syhler.

And is it possible that there is more than one Nikki, and that they're connected through reflections?

And I think the chick with Mohinder is part of Claire's dad's plan.

Matt = pretty cool.

Best....ending....ever. I heart Hiro.

[Rainer7]

I've got a question about the cheerleader. But I don't want you guys to think I'm like a troll or something, because I'm seriously curious about this.

Assuming that she's a virgin, whenever she gets her cherry popped, it would regenerate right? So that would mean that for the rest of her life she'll be a virgin.

Is this right? Or am I missing something?

btw Episode 2 was great.

[Mixairian]

I've watched Lost twice and it's got to be the dumbest show ever! But its similiar to this show becuase it keeps you guessing...........and maybe the producers don't really know what the final product but go from episode to episode and keeps you wondering what happens next or why are they there or what's the connection.
Oh!

You mean a sense of mytery, building a steady storyline and not spoon feeding people! Maybe I should watch Lost.

[Docker2.0]

I wonder how the heck the girl with the porn site will be a good guy when she blacks out and kills people. I hope the show lasts. :(

[SoulManX]

I've got a question about the cheerleader. But I don't want you guys to think I'm like a troll or something, because I'm seriously curious about this.

Assuming that she's a virgin, whenever she gets her cherry popped, it would regenerate right? So that would mean that for the rest of her life she'll be a virgin.

Is this right? Or am I missing something?

btw Episode 2 was great.

:huh::wow:

[Holly Goodhead]

Oh!

You mean a sense of mytery, building a steady storyline and not spoon feeding people! Maybe I should watch Lost.

If you like Heroes then youll love Lost. 3rd season premiere is Wednesday. but you should watch seasons 1 and 2 first.

[Mr. Credible]

i think this show is going to get really, really good. i thought they'd jumped the gun with killing the artist junkie guy but, we all know how that turned out, so...

yeah, i think it's going to be a hell of a season.

[Nasty-B]

As a native of midland/Odessa TX., I really got a kick out of how the town was portrayed in the show. It seemed like Friday Night Lights meets 90210.

[Mixairian]

I wonder how the heck the girl with the porn site will be a good guy when she blacks out and kills people. I hope the show lasts. :(
Just because you take human life does that make you a bad person? If she had not killed those men, she'd of been raped and probably killed... Or worse, harm would come to her son. Are you saying she should have been raped, killed and let her son come to harm? :) What you have to ask yourself is if the act was evil? Self preservation and protecting the young. One could argue that it would have been evil if she had not stopped those men and let those other things happen.
I've got a question about the cheerleader. But I don't want you guys to think I'm like a troll or something, because I'm seriously curious about this.

Assuming that she's a virgin, whenever she gets her cherry popped, it would regenerate right? So that would mean that for the rest of her life she'll be a virgin.

Is this right? Or am I missing something?

btw Episode 2 was great.
I want to use the rolleyes emoticon but the screwed up thing is what you're saying is essential accurate in a sense.
If you like Heroes then youll love Lost. 3rd season premiere is Wednesday. but you should watch seasons 1 and 2 first.
When I get paid in 2 weeks, the series shall be mine!

i think this show is going to get really, really good. i thought they'd jumped the gun with killing the artist junkie guy but, we all know how that turned out, so...

yeah, i think it's going to be a hell of a season.
He's not dead.

[The Question]

I've watched Lost twice and it's got to be the dumbest show ever!

You can't just watch Lost twice. It's like reading only two seperate chapters from a novel. It's very heavily serialized.

[SuperBatman]

it sucks that it will only be 7 episodes long:down:csad:

Where are you getting it will only be 7 Episodes? I heard its guarnteed to have 13 and if the rattings do great they will decide between October and november whether to add some more and go to 22 probally.

[Gold Samurai]

I notice they used the same announcer that intro'd "Surface" last year

when mohinder ran after the repairman she was just there, something about that just seemed planned. Hope she really turns out to be good she's cute http://rangerboard.com/images/smilies/045.gif shes also been in some commericals and just a few years ago WB's "Everwood". She's been compared to looking like Rachael Bilson from "the O.C.

http://people.zeelandnet.nl/delhij/everwood/nora%20goed.jpg

http://www.filmstew.com/Users/PhotoFinish/184/RachelBilson.jpg
speaking of lost I got a distinct notion that the Hiro is the Hurley of the group lol






Where are you getting it will only be 7 Episodes? I heard its guarnteed to have 13 and if the rattings do great they will decide between October and november whether to add some more and go to 22 probally.


i think he got that from IMDB and the time frame for which the disaster will hit NY like I said it 'd make a great mid season cliff hanger although Nov 8 is on a wednesday

[amazingfantasy15]

Best new show of the season and I've tried a lot of them. Smart, funny, a sense of danger, nice geeky references (member of the Ms. Marvel society, cool). A lot of shows have claimed it, but this could very well be the next Lost, but also elements of 24, where we can have a new threat each season, which would be the best way to go for multiple seasons.

[Dread]

Episode Two had the ease of not having to introduce the characters, merely continue along on their plotlines, which provided a faster episode than the pilot. FYI for comic people, artist Tim Sale is doing the art for the show, and Jeph Loeb is one of the producers.

We get a new character in the cop (Matt) who can read people's minds. Much as I said last week, it's still interesting that the male characters seem to be getting the less physical powers and the women are getting the physical ones. True, telepaths have become sort of old hat in comics, especially in Marvel, where both sexes have had such power. But, by that I mean is if you look at powers like, say, regeneration or super-strength or whatever, physical ones, they usually went to male heroes long before female ones had 'em. And for less physical powers like telepathy or so forth usually went to heroines. The men were the ones who did the fighting and the ladies supported them, even if they were on the same team. There were some exceptions but this hadn't drastically changed until maybe the 70's (true, there was always Wonder Woman, but she spent a good many years getting tied up a lot, didn't she).

Still, Matt, much like Hiro, was someone who wanted to use his ability to try to help people, although the fact that he's a cop sort of instilled that belief. However, while he has the ambition he isn't exactly a genius, hence why he kept flunking the detective test and bungled his way into getting arrested.

Probably out of all of them, the one I'm least interested is Niki the "Were-Stripper" or whatever you want to call her (She-Hulk-Lite?). But perhaps that is because her story, so far, is the least connected. Claire's father is that mysterious guy who was confronting Mohinder, Hiro has seen the same vision of the future as Isaac (albeit in a different way), and naturally Peter and Nathan are together.

Speaking of Peter and Nathan, they still are connected and either Peter is some sort of "power empath" who feels and does whatever the "special" closest to him does, or he and Nathan "share" the power of flight and need each other to both fly properly. To be honest I'd prefer the former because the "siblings who have to share 1 power, usually with physical contact" is a cliche I have grown very tired of. Superhero stuff is full of cliches and some we like more than others, and that's just one of the ones I dislike. I hated it with Mass and Menos, hated it with the Wonder Twins, hated it with Fenris, and I'd hate it here.

And then there's Cyler, the villian who is introduced without actually appearing as someone who was "patient Zero" and who can apparently freeze people, after which he hacks their bodies up. Sort of seeing him as an "evil Iceman" (although there are villians who have such powers like Killer Frost, etc).

Hopefully Isaac can figure a way to induce his visions without using heroin as a muse, otherwise we'll have a network TV show claiming that drugs play a role in saving Manhattan. ;) Luckily Hiro has also seen the vision and he's not a drug addict, but he barely knows any English. And sure, there was some cliches to him, but there are also cliches in Claire, who as a cheerleader is stereotypically vapid and at times shallow, or Mohinder who apparently like every Indian man in New York, drove a cab and has some impossibly smart father. These are all cliches and if you're going to whine about one, you need to whine about them all. I don't mind them because they're just details to characters.

Anyway, so, I liked tonight's episode and I'll probably be sticking around. I wonder if the "conspiracy" that is following Mohinder, who Claire's father is connected to, are also connected to Cyler (who in the future will kill Isaac; considering he FREEZES his victims, that means he doesn't exactly have to kill him on Nov. 8th when the bomb goes, but perhaps sometime before. Freezing would slow the decomposing so his victims could be dead for days or even a week without smelling). Naturally Hiro stole the show for me but I also liked the cop, and the stuff with Cyler and Mohinder is interesting. And much like modern comics, everything is decompressed enough so that the plot moves slowly and embellishes the characters. But unlike comics we don't have to wait a month for it.

[amazingfantasy15]

I think Peter is like Mimic, he can use the power of the "hero" closest to him, thus the picture he drew in the hospital.

[Corinthian™]

Where are you getting it will only be 7 Episodes? I heard its guarnteed to have 13 and if the rattings do great they will decide between October and november whether to add some more and go to 22 probally.
well then, at least the explosion will be on the 7th week if my Doogie Houser sense is right

[Gold Samurai]

And much like modern comics, everything is decompressed enough so that the plot moves slowly and embellishes the characters. But unlike comics we don't have to wait a month for it.

It would have been funny if in true comic form they have a "to be continued" at the end of the ep and each episode title is like a mini arc "Part 1 of 6"

[hippie_hunter]

I MISSED LAST WEEKS EPISODE AND FOR SOME REASON, NBC.COM WON'T LET ME WATCH IT :(

SO THIS EPISODE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR ME BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHO THE CHARACTERS WERE AND NOT FULLY KNOW ABOUT THEIR ABILITIES.

BUT OVERALL, THE SECOND EPISODE KICKED ASS :up:

[Superman]

Damn! Don't watch this show stoned.:wow: :wow: :wow:

[SuperBatman]

I think Peter is like Mimic, he can use the power of the "hero" closest to him, thus the picture he drew in the hospital.

He could be like a Male Rogue yet he doesn't touch the people that has the powers.

[SuperBatman]

I MISSED LAST WEEKS EPISODE AND FOR SOME REASON, NBC.COM WON'T LET ME WATCH IT :(

SO THIS EPISODE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR ME BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHO THE CHARACTERS WERE AND NOT FULLY KNOW ABOUT THEIR ABILITIES.

BUT OVERALL, THE SECOND EPISODE KICKED ASS :up:

Just to let you know it seems the USA network is picking this series up to replay it. They had the pilot on After Raw.

[Babs Gordon]

Mohinder - slightly more interesting...but his plot is still one of the weaker ones imho

Peter and Nathan - personally I think it would have been bolder and more interesting to make Peter powerless and give it all to Nathan. I'd love to see Peter pushing Nathan to embrace his powers (which I'm sure he'll do anyway) - but it would have been an interesting twist of Peter (who wanted them so badly) didn't have an abilities.

Hiro - amazing, again. I can't believe I could love the guy more.

Nicki - intruiging but if they don't get somewhere with her character I'm going to lose interest

Claire - like her a lot, but she didn't do much this episode

Matt (the cop) - I think I'll like him - good casting

i think deep down we all would have been pissed if the snarky brother got all the powers. as stereotypical or predictable as it is for him to have them... it's predictable because that's what the crowd wants to see... the good guy gettings his due.

[Babs Gordon]

I MISSED LAST WEEKS EPISODE AND FOR SOME REASON, NBC.COM WON'T LET ME WATCH IT :(

SO THIS EPISODE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR ME BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHO THE CHARACTERS WERE AND NOT FULLY KNOW ABOUT THEIR ABILITIES.

BUT OVERALL, THE SECOND EPISODE KICKED ASS :up:

you can purchase the pilot on itunes for 2 bucks. if you have ~650 megs of space.

[amazingfantasy15]

Damn! Don't watch this show stoned.:wow: :wow: :wow:

I watched the 2nd episode of 24 stoned and have/will never watch a drama stoned again. I was freaked out. This show would probably be tough to handle stoned.

[SuperBatman]

Anybody have any idea what the Surreptitious Symbol in the Pool on the Picture and on the Computer might be about?

[hippie_hunter]

you can purchase the pilot on itunes for 2 bucks. if you have ~650 megs of space.

I'm getting it for free at NBC.com :huh:

[lars573]

Hiro is exteremly cute. Not only because he's written that way. But because he's Asian (they're all cute, their eyes make them all look like puppies). Not as cute however as Nora Zehetner. My brothers (we've been watching this together) first comment on this show was "So it's Lost in NY?", my only reply was "I guess". I'm starting to think that Nicki's powers are akin to Negative man's (you know form Doom Patrol) or Silver age Spectre.

[SuperBatman]

Something about Claire's Dad.

I think people are just assuming that he could be a bad person but this is what I think.

Go back to the X-Men Comics what if he's just a concerend father that have just found out that his daughter has Superhero Mutant powers and that makes him consider his daughter as a freak?

True that doesn't explain what he was doing at The Dads house or in the cab but it's just a thought.

[Lighthouse]

Pretty good episode, but theres just one tiny nitpick. Did anyone else shout at the TV or roll their eyes when Hiro picked up the gun?

[SuperBatman]

Yeah I was like WTH you see blood on the floor and a gun is next to it you don't pick up the gun.

[lars573]

My bro shouted. I :whatever:'ed.

[sc12een17am3]

just finished watching the episode and it still catches my interest, its making me think of what might happen lol

the more i see Niki use her "powers" the more i think its just split personality disorder. Unless her "bad" self really does have powers, i wonder what it really is. cause the mirror thing diff isnt it.

and i like this set up of a possible super villian. so it seems this Syler [spelling?] is the one who killed Iassc? since his head was sawed off just like the ones in LA. at first i thought it was suicide cause of the gun but not so much anymore. you think Claire's dad is Syler?

wouldnt it be a interesting twist that Syler is actually Niki's bad side?

lol i love how the show really trys to make you guess and assume things

so since Hiro turn back time again, that means Iassc isnt dead anymore right? since that was an "alternate" time what can happen?

[Gold Samurai]

Did anyone else shout at the TV or roll their eyes when Hiro picked up the gun?

I almost expected that. One thing that "Heroes" seem to have that its predecessor "Surface" had was the cliches and stereotypes

[SuperBatman]

Never mind

[Leto]

Now the real question is how did the gun that Mohinder's would-be assassin had end up at a crime scene Five(?) weeks later? Could we already have seen Sylar?

Duhn Duhn Duhn!

:whatever:

[SuperBatman]

Oops Double Post

[SuperBatman]

Here is something interesting I picked up. I went the Two CIA women were questioning Matt about how he knew where to look for that girl. WHen he picked up what the CIA women said was it just me or was she saying This guy is one of us? Does that mean the Police Head Woman is a Super Hero to?

[Poetic Chaos]

Nothing great until the ending but boy was that ending great.

[Wolfwood]

I have a guess about Syler (Is that how you spell it?), I think he's taking brains because he can steal people's powers by eating the brain. Just a wild guess. I only say that cause it looks like he might have varried powers with no connection to each other.

This episode was better then the pilot, which I loved, it's just Nikki seems to slow things down. She's an interesting character, but the mystery surrounding her power (cause we don't know exactly what's going on) is kind of dragging.

[Tanin]

Pretty good episode, but theres just one tiny nitpick. Did anyone else shout at the TV or roll their eyes when Hiro picked up the gun?

If I was in a darkly lit room with blood on the floor and a gun....I'd pick it up...just to be safe. Wouldn't want the one who dropped it to pick it back up and kill me with it if he was still about.

[NoTheNSpiderMan]

If I was in a darkly lit room with blood on the floor and a gun....I'd pick it up...just to be safe. Wouldn't want the one who dropped it to pick it back up and kill me with it if he was still about.

i agree with tanin, that's what i thought when he picked it up, to not get hit from behind or anything. just like when mohinder grabbed the lamp post was it? to strike the guy planting the bug. you see some freaky **** and you grab the nearest thing that can protect you.

[muscaremy]

this show is very interesting to say the least.....also for repeat viewings sci fi channel shows them friday at 7pm.... syler is very intriguing....does he just have ice/freeze powers or is there more too him...nikki and the mirrors is just odd cuz we have know clue what shes about and i have a feeling thats all in the writing ....we'll find out soon enough...and hiro he just cracks me up

[SuperBatman]

I'm hearing that Syler is stealing powers maybe that's why he's having so many.

[aphro666]

Probably out of all of them, the one I'm least interested is Niki the "Were-Stripper" or whatever you want to call her (She-Hulk-Lite?). But perhaps that is because her story, so far, is the least connected. .


Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't she say Sylar was the father of her kid when she was talking to her friend?

[aphro666]

Another thing, the gun the japanese guy picked up at the artist's place looked to me like it was the same gun that the indian guy and that girl ended up with after the confrontation with the pest control/gov't worker guy.

[rock_on]

You can't just watch Lost twice. It's like reading only two seperate chapters from a novel. It's very heavily serialized.

Totally, LOST is one of those things that you have to watch from episode 1 on. It is an awesome show... and IMHO (thus far) it is one of tv's greatest shows ever. Never before have I been captivated by a show and drawn into its mysteries. Heroes is ok, I was actually disappointed with the pacing and the way the show is presented. But I have to say, Heroes so far has great cliffhanger endings. But the first 40 minutes of the show are so-so.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I have a guess about Syler (Is that how you spell it?), I think he's taking brains because he can steal people's powers by eating the brain. Just a wild guess. I only say that cause it looks like he might have varried powers with no connection to each other.

This episode was better then the pilot, which I loved, it's just Nikki seems to slow things down. She's an interesting character, but the mystery surrounding her power (cause we don't know exactly what's going on) is kind of dragging.


I think that's it too. Zyler's (sp?) powers are from what I can tell frost (the frozen guy), maybe speed, and strength or telekenesis (to get tht woman up there and stab her with all those things, maybe he's got both) but if that was all that doesn't explain the missing brains.

I definitely agree that he's absorbing their powers which makes him a serious threat to the Heroes if he's a compilation of super-powered individuals. Maybe the gun they found was Isaac's and he tried to use it to defend himself (unsuccessfully).

[Spider-Fan83]

He could be like a Male Rogue yet he doesn't touch the people that has the powers.
ya, I thought the same thing, that he has the ability to connect to others, and in case of those with powers he can use they powers when connected to them. or something like that
Something about Claire's Dad.
I think people are just assuming that he could be a bad person but this is what I think.
Go back to the X-Men Comics what if he's just a concerend father that have just found out that his daughter has Superhero Mutant powers and that makes him consider his daughter as a freak?
True that doesn't explain what he was doing at The Dads house or in the cab but it's just a thought.
from the first one, everyone was thinking, that he was the one who kill the Professor, but, I was thinking, that he was just trying to find him, or find out about his research, cause he knows about his daughter (or adoted daughter, anyway), same thing when he was in the cab, maybe he was just looking for help, and the Professor's son just got the wrong idea, and ran away thinking that he had something to do with his father death, but, again its just a theory, of how I saw it (but, that scene with him watching the tapes, kinda, I don’t know anymore, (maybe he just took it so It didn’t fall into the wrong hands), but, now I am thinking somethings up, he known a lot more then he’s letting on, anyone else kinda get a weird vibe, when he say that “I know some things” line

[The Question]

I think that's it too. Zyler's (sp?) powers are from what I can tell frost (the frozen guy), maybe speed, and strength or telekenesis (to get tht woman up there and stab her with all those things, maybe he's got both) but if that was all that doesn't explain the missing brains.

Maybe he just cuts out their brains because he enjoyes it. I mean, he is a serial killer. SOme serial killers do keep trophies or do weird things to the bodies. Hell, Jack the Ripper ate his victim's organs.

I definitely agree that he's absorbing their powers which makes him a serious threat to the Heroes if he's a compilation of super-powered individuals. Maybe the gun they found was Isaac's and he tried to use it to defend himself (unsuccessfully).

I don't think he copies powers. Way I see it, he's probably telekinetic. But, he's been mastering his powers for years now. If he can move around matter, then there's nothing to say that, with enough practice, he couldn't also move around energy. Thus, he could remove all the heat from someone's body.

[Fanticon]

starting to not like Ali Larter's character already...this was a slower episode as expected...but I wish I had picked up on the clues about Hiro teleporting to November 8th.. One thing I couldn't help laughing at was the stick figure drawing of Peter and Nathaniel...that was cheesy as hell.
The show is mysterious and moody...I'm diggin' it...I really want to see what happens with Greg Grunberg...the police officer. I liked him from Alias, I hope he has an important role:D

[Spider-Fan83]

Maybe he just cuts out their brains because he enjoyes it. I mean, he is a serial killer. SOme serial killers do keep trophies or do weird things to the bodies. Hell, Jack the Ripper ate his victim's organs.
ya, but, on the massage, didn't he say, something like, "I need to feed, I can't stop the hunger, I don't want to" I don't remeber exactly, but, to me it seems like he's eaten brains

[kane9321]

wow just wow...even better than the 1st episode..ok I want to know strip/moms powers now damnit..i cant wait any longer..what in the world is going on with her

[Fanticon]

I think the girl that befriends Mohinder in his apt complex is a spy...that looked like a total set up just in case something went wrong...it looked like she was interfering, but was really in on it. Because if they wanted him dead, they would have done it...she's there to help get answers to the wrong people...just my thoughts on that.

[Spider-Fan83]

wow just wow...even better than the 1st episode..ok I want to know strip/moms powers now damnit..i cant wait any longer..what in the world is going on with her
I don't know if what she has is even a power I think she's just insane, multiple personality disorder or something, (think "Fight Club") or maybe she does have a she-hulk thing going on

[Upset Spideyfan]

Well she did mess up those two thugs pretty good so she probably has super strength or something.

[zanos]

The second episode was great. I can't wait for the third.

[PLAS]

and the politician dude wins by a landslide

[PLAS]

I just saw this show and my jaw dropped:wow:

Amazing

I think Hiro can travel through time, but I think he must be in that place. Kinda like he traveled all the way to NY via airplane and all that... think Butterfly effect

but this show is ****ing awsome.. I love it:csad::up:


and what is the power of the MILF anyways:huh:
yeah, a week ago you were all "meh" about it

I knew you'd convert

I just knew it

[The Sage]

That was a pretty interesting episode with two neat twists in the end. I feel the cop will end up being my favorite character.

[chosen1]

I think that the Blonde lady has an alternate personality that is a killer. It would explain the black outs and lapse of time that seems instantaneous to her and then waking up and not remembering what had happened.

For anyone who has played Xenogears (Best RPG ever) The main character fei had the same problem. Now w/ the mirror i think thats in her head. The psycho killer her thats inside her is toying w/ her. What's in the mirror is not real because her son looked in the same mirror and just saw his mother not her counter parter doing whatever she was doing.

[Hiruu]

Wow...this episode was a major improvement over the first one, but I see some room of improvement:

* The Cheerleader wasn't as annoying as in ep 1, and she probably was the most improved from ep 1.
* Hiro's scenes were okay, but the cliffhanger was great...it was a "wow" scene to top last week's.
* I thought the scene with Flyboy 2 (aka Peter) and his mom was really touching (big mama's boy here as well..:yay: ) and the flight scene was cool too. I'm wondering if the brothers are telepathically linked as well...or more empathically.
* The cop scene was good, until they arrested him...lame-o...you don't slap cuffs on someone with no concrete evidence.
* Niki (aka the stripper) scenes were loooooooong.

Overall, I'm looking forward to next week, a bit more than i was looking forward to this ep.

[SuperBatman]

wow just wow...even better than the 1st episode..ok I want to know strip/moms powers now damnit..i cant wait any longer..what in the world is going on with her

I was reading a Interview made by Ali Larter (Nikki) She was saying don't forget to Watch Episodes 4 5 and 6. She says that's where her character will be made clear.

[RockSP]

Since tv and movies are so formulaic it surprises me that I was actually caught off guard by the "twists" in both episodes...the flying politician and Hiro's future shock. Didn't see 'em coming.

[kane9321]

I was reading a Interview made by Ali Larter (Nikki) She was saying don't forget to Watch Episodes 4 5 and 6. She says that's where her character will be made clear.

Great i cant wait:woot:

[SuperBatman]

Has anybody considered the fact that Claire's Dad may in fact be Sylar? I mean honstely if you listen to the voice on the tape It sounds just like him IMO.

[slug]

Has anybody considered the fact that Claire's Dad may in fact be Sylar? I mean honstely if you listen to the voice on the tape It sounds just like him IMO.that's what i thought as well.

[Darthphere]

Has anybody considered the fact that Claire's Dad may in fact be Sylar? I mean honstely if you listen to the voice on the tape It sounds just like him IMO.


I dont think it should be that obvious.

[Gold Samurai]

anyone have that "I'm with Hiro" banner that was really funny and cool lol

[PLAS]

and what's with the comic books and the symbol and the urulu thing in the comic?

[Superman: Idols]

Wasn't that interetsed in the show at first...but wow! Time travel, impending apocalypse, characters seeing themselves in comics. This is my second favorite show this season.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Man, the whole thing with Hiro travelling -forward- in time was awesome. I didn't see that coming at all.

[Eddie Brock]

what's with the "F" symbol that was everywhere?
it was on all of Isaac's paintings and it was in the pool when the cop got arrested...

[ledfloyd92]

I have absolutly no idea whats going on in the show right now. Its an awsome show but so confusing. However, the woman with the split personality seems like she could go on a mass killing spree in the near future. She's certainly caused quite a bit carnage already with her phsycotic persona. Although I'm not sure if she was responsible behind the dead guy in the trunk of the Chevy. The artist with drug problem seems to have met his gruesome end aswell.
And the cheerleaders father...something isn't quite right.

[Gold Samurai]

what's with the "F" symbol that was everywhere?
it was on all of Isaac's paintings and it was in the pool when the cop got arrested...



could be the calling card of "syler" and Issac drew the "F" before he was killed. I'm still confident that Hiro can prevent Issac from dying though

[The Question]

ya, but, on the massage, didn't he say, something like, "I need to feed, I can't stop the hunger, I don't want to" I don't remeber exactly, but, to me it seems like he's eaten brains

I think he was talking about his bloodlust. Some serial killers feel the need to kill like a hunger.

[cerealkiller182]

Do you think Skyler has more than one power or he has help?

I only ask because the man ws frozen and the woman was stuck with knives on the wall obviously done by someone super strong or telekinetic

[hippie_hunter]

AFTER WATCHING THE FIRST EPISODE, THE SECOND EPISODE MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE :up:

[The Question]

Do you think Skyler has more than one power or he has help?

I only ask because the man ws frozen and the woman was stuck with knives on the wall obviously done by someone super strong or telekinetic

I think he only has one power, but he's mastered it moreso than any of the others have with theirs. If he is telekinetic, then obviously he can move matter with his mind. However, what's to say that a telikinetic who has truely mastered his or her power could not also move energy around? Thus, he would be able to remove the heat from someone's body.

[The Squirrel]

Loved this episode. Not sure what I can say that hasn't already been said. Loved the twist with Hiro traveling to the future.

[Mixairian]

Episode Two had the ease of not having to introduce the characters, merely continue along on their plotlines, which provided a faster episode than the pilot. FYI for comic people, artist Tim Sale is doing the art for the show, and Jeph Loeb is one of the producers.

We get a new character in the cop (Matt) who can read people's minds. Much as I said last week, it's still interesting that the male characters seem to be getting the less physical powers and the women are getting the physical ones. True, telepaths have become sort of old hat in comics, especially in Marvel, where both sexes have had such power. But, by that I mean is if you look at powers like, say, regeneration or super-strength or whatever, physical ones, they usually went to male heroes long before female ones had 'em. And for less physical powers like telepathy or so forth usually went to heroines. The men were the ones who did the fighting and the ladies supported them, even if they were on the same team. There were some exceptions but this hadn't drastically changed until maybe the 70's (true, there was always Wonder Woman, but she spent a good many years getting tied up a lot, didn't she).

Still, Matt, much like Hiro, was someone who wanted to use his ability to try to help people, although the fact that he's a cop sort of instilled that belief. However, while he has the ambition he isn't exactly a genius, hence why he kept flunking the detective test and bungled his way into getting arrested.

Probably out of all of them, the one I'm least interested is Niki the "Were-Stripper" or whatever you want to call her (She-Hulk-Lite?). But perhaps that is because her story, so far, is the least connected. Claire's father is that mysterious guy who was confronting Mohinder, Hiro has seen the same vision of the future as Isaac (albeit in a different way), and naturally Peter and Nathan are together.

Speaking of Peter and Nathan, they still are connected and either Peter is some sort of "power empath" who feels and does whatever the "special" closest to him does, or he and Nathan "share" the power of flight and need each other to both fly properly. To be honest I'd prefer the former because the "siblings who have to share 1 power, usually with physical contact" is a cliche I have grown very tired of. Superhero stuff is full of cliches and some we like more than others, and that's just one of the ones I dislike. I hated it with Mass and Menos, hated it with the Wonder Twins, hated it with Fenris, and I'd hate it here.

And then there's Cyler, the villian who is introduced without actually appearing as someone who was "patient Zero" and who can apparently freeze people, after which he hacks their bodies up. Sort of seeing him as an "evil Iceman" (although there are villians who have such powers like Killer Frost, etc).

Hopefully Isaac can figure a way to induce his visions without using heroin as a muse, otherwise we'll have a network TV show claiming that drugs play a role in saving Manhattan. ;) Luckily Hiro has also seen the vision and he's not a drug addict, but he barely knows any English. And sure, there was some cliches to him, but there are also cliches in Claire, who as a cheerleader is stereotypically vapid and at times shallow, or Mohinder who apparently like every Indian man in New York, drove a cab and has some impossibly smart father. These are all cliches and if you're going to whine about one, you need to whine about them all. I don't mind them because they're just details to characters.

Anyway, so, I liked tonight's episode and I'll probably be sticking around. I wonder if the "conspiracy" that is following Mohinder, who Claire's father is connected to, are also connected to Cyler (who in the future will kill Isaac; considering he FREEZES his victims, that means he doesn't exactly have to kill him on Nov. 8th when the bomb goes, but perhaps sometime before. Freezing would slow the decomposing so his victims could be dead for days or even a week without smelling). Naturally Hiro stole the show for me but I also liked the cop, and the stuff with Cyler and Mohinder is interesting. And much like modern comics, everything is decompressed enough so that the plot moves slowly and embellishes the characters. But unlike comics we don't have to wait a month for it.

Don't forget strength/telekinesis is also a sub possibity for this Cyler/Syler.

Something about Claire's Dad.

I think people are just assuming that he could be a bad person but this is what I think.

Go back to the X-Men Comics what if he's just a concerend father that have just found out that his daughter has Superhero Mutant powers and that makes him consider his daughter as a freak?

True that doesn't explain what he was doing at The Dads house or in the cab but it's just a thought.

Or in India.

Pretty good episode, but theres just one tiny nitpick. Did anyone else shout at the TV or roll their eyes when Hiro picked up the gun?
Oh yeah. I just chalked it up to him being some cute and dopey. I'm sitting there thinking: "ssseeeeetttuuuuup!".
I don't think he copies powers. Way I see it, he's probably telekinetic. But, he's been mastering his powers for years now. If he can move around matter, then there's nothing to say that, with enough practice, he couldn't also move around energy. Thus, he could remove all the heat from someone's body.

Telekinesis has been one of the abilities I've been beliving for this serial killer. Though I'm curious if with telekinesis, could one hold a person's cells in place causing them to freeze.

One thing I couldn't help laughing at was the stick figure drawing of Peter and Nathaniel...that was cheesy as hell.
The show is mysterious and moody...I'm diggin' it...I really want to see what happens with Greg Grunberg...the police officer. I liked him from Alias, I hope he has an important role:D
I'm thinking his drawing wasn't cute coincidence. An empath who can siphon or utilize other peoples powers makes sense. He did after all have contact with the painter.
and what's with the comic books and the symbol and the urulu thing in the comic?
I'm re-watching the two episodes with my friends. We've been noticing the comic a lot.

[The Question]

Telekinesis has been one of the abilities I've been beliving for this serial killer. Though I'm curious if with telekinesis, could one hold a person's cells in place causing them to freeze.

As I said, he probably removes all of the heat from their body.

[Mixairian]

As I said, he probably removes all of the heat from their body.
Heat is basically particticles in motion. To remove heat from something would be to have those moving particles excite other particles. Thus to cool off would be to slow them down or hold them in place... I think this show is getting very complicated with their powers (Hiro). I gotta admit, I don't like these complicated powers. :)

[Spider-Fan83]

http://imdb.com/name/nm0659363/

1989, she's legal in some parts of this country.

:whatever:not in my part of the country :csad:
so, how long til she's legal :huh:

lol

[Eddie Brock]

:whatever:not in my part of the country :csad:
so, how long til she's legal :huh:

lol
only a year

but damn, she looked great last night
even if her neck DID snap

[blksuperman2]

Heat is basically particticles in motion. To remove heat from something would be to have those moving particles excite other particles. Thus to cool off would be to slow them down or hold them in place... I think this show is getting very complicated with their powers (Hiro). I gotta admit, I don't like these complicated powers. :)

You give the best science classes.:ninja: :up:

[The Question]

Heat is basically particticles in motion. To remove heat from something would be to have those moving particles excite other particles. Thus to cool off would be to slow them down or hold them in place... I think this show is getting very complicated with their powers (Hiro). I gotta admit, I don't like these complicated powers. :)

Heat is also energy. Remove that energy and the particles stop moving. Of course, that energy has to go somewhere, be he probably just disperses it around the room.

[primemover]

Thank god the cheerleader has regenerative powers, because based on the show so far she is made of tissue paper. Breaking a neck, especially the way they portrayed it, is no trivial matter, if people broke their necks that easily, we'd be a nation of cripples before years end. It's like they really trying hard to yell in our years, 'SHE CAN'T BE HURT AND CAN REGENERATE!!'

Here is a weird theory about the stripper, I think she might not actually have any powers, but instead be a well trailed gov't agent or assasin akin to Sydney Bristow on Alias. Now Sydney on Alias basically has two lives she had to maintain, 20 year old college girl, and 007 level government agent doing and seeing many attrocities. Now maybe this Niki did the same type of thing, except like many abuse victims, created another personality to deal with those things, enabling their other personality to live free of them, maybe Niki broke and this happened to her.

I was wondering why everything was handed to 'nice' Niki's and so set-up and in control, ie when Niki returned home the Garage was all cleaned up, bodies were prepared for her and another car was procured, like her alter was doing all the dirty work, and doing it well like an experienced assasin or whatnot. If this was just some insane alter I doubt we'd be seeing that, maybe instead of hulking out in a sense when she gets scared, her 'Sydney' comes out and takes care of things, even while driving to bury a body in the middle of the desert.

[Mixairian]

:whatever:not in my part of the country :csad:
so, how long til she's legal :huh:
lol
August is a comin'.
Heat is also energy. Remove that energy and the particles stop moving. Of course, that energy has to go somewhere, be he probably just disperses it around the room.
Energy, molecules/particles/whatever word in motion. If we decide to use the term energy, we risk getting very sketchy with telekinesis. You give the best science classes.:
For my next lesson, increasing my bank account via paypal. :)
Thank god the cheerleader has regenerative powers, because based on the show so far she is made of tissue paper. Breaking a neck, especially the way they portrayed it, is no trivial matter, if people broke their necks that easily, we'd be a nation of cripples before years end. It's like they really trying hard to yell in our years, 'SHE CAN'T BE HURT AND CAN REGENERATE!!'

Here is a weird theory about the stripper, I think she might not actually have any powers, but instead be a well trailed gov't agent or assasin akin to Sydney Bristow on Alias. Now Sydney on Alias basically has two lives she had to maintain, 20 year old college girl, and 007 level government agent doing and seeing many attrocities. Now maybe this Niki did the same type of thing, except like many abuse victims, created another personality to deal with those things, enabling their other personality to live free of them, maybe Niki broke and this happened to her.

I was wondering why everything was handed to 'nice' Niki's and so set-up and in control, ie when Niki returned home the Garage was all cleaned up, bodies were prepared for her and another car was procured, like her alter was doing all the dirty work, and doing it well like an experienced assasin or whatnot. If this was just some insane alter I doubt we'd be seeing that, maybe instead of hulking out in a sense when she gets scared, her 'Sydney' comes out and takes care of things, even while driving to bury a body in the middle of the desert.
It's a common occurence for those with diassociative identity disorder to have the other personality be able to cope with things that the main persona cannot deal with. Government training rarely has anything to do with it. :)

[primemover]

It's a common occurence for those with diassociative identity disorder to have the other personality be able to cope with things that the main persona cannot deal with. Government training rarely has anything to do with it. :)

Nor did I mention it having anything to do with it.

[Mixairian]

Nor did I mention it having anything to do with it.
I know. I'm sticking with the idea she does have something and one persona just has a better grip on it.

That whole secret agent idea seemed a little: off.

[The Question]

Energy, molecules/particles/whatever word in motion. If we decide to use the term energy, we risk getting very sketchy with telekinesis.

I don't think so. Telekenisis simply means "distance movement." Both matter and energy can be moved around.

[Snap Wilson]

Are the writers trying to make the stripper a sympatic character by making her a single mom....... let me get this straight, she borrows $25,000 from the mob to get her kid into a private school..... how stupid is that

I really like the cheerleader character & the dude carrying on his fathers work.

The drug addict artist dude is ok.

The cop mind reader is cool

Hiro is too much of a sterotype, as someone else mentioned, all he needs is a camara around his neck.

Overall, this is my fav new Tv show.

[primemover]

I know. I'm sticking with the idea she does have something and one persona just has a better grip on it.

That whole secret agent idea seemed a little: off.

Just a way of explaining the dichotomy, with something that can work within the fiction.

I think you are glossing over how much better of a 'grip' this alter has. Beyond the ability to kick ass on a few gang thugs, she was able to procure a car which was obviously stolen since Niki is broke, and wherewithal to know where to drive to bury a body, where Niki's life seemed to be a complete mess. Those things combined with the map and cleaning of the garage really looked like a person who knew what she was doing, and not some internet whore that drives a pacer.

Thinking her internet-porn thing was a cover and she was secretly contacting agents through that, so when she broke the 'Niki' part continued doing so, and then continued to ignore the the organization she used to work for, which is why those dudes were out to get her(I actually forgot if there was any reason for that given in the pilot).

Just thoughts :D

[primemover]

Are the writers trying to make the stripper a sympatic character by making her a single mom....... let me get this straight, she borrows $25,000 from the mob to get her kid into a private school..... how stupid is that

I doubt it's as straight forward as that, there is something going on that is deeper.

[Spider-Fan83]

Thank god the cheerleader has regenerative powers, because based on the show so far she is made of tissue paper. Breaking a neck, especially the way they portrayed it, is no trivial matter, if people broke their necks that easily, we'd be a nation of cripples before years end. It's like they really trying hard to yell in our years, 'SHE CAN'T BE HURT AND CAN REGENERATE!!'
ya, but, like she said, shes dainty enough lol

Edit:
August is a comin'.
Gigady Gigady Gig
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[Mixairian]

I don't think so. Telekenisis simply means "distance movement." Both matter and energy can be moved around.
Telekinesis is the production of motion within objects without any physical contact.

An object can range from a car, to a person to a molecule in theory.

Just a way of explaining the dichotomy, with something that can work within the fiction.

I think you are glossing over how much better of a 'grip' this alter has. Beyond the ability to kick ass on a few gang thugs, she was able to procure a car which was obviously stolen since Niki is broke, and wherewithal to know where to drive to bury a body, where Niki's life seemed to be a complete mess. Those things combined with the map and cleaning of the garage really looked like a person who knew what she was doing, and not some internet whore that drives a pacer.

I did acknowledge the feats she accomplished and I'll repeat what I said before. The altered persona is capable of accomplishing what the prime is not.

The alter was gone for 4 hours. We'll say 2 of these hours were for the cleanup, 1 for travel and 1 for anything extra. With proper dedication and effort, cleaning up that mess, taking out another loan for the car or stealing it (I'm still not sure on this one) is all very feesable in 4 hours without anytype of training.

The skull in the ground shows that Nikki's alter has buried a body there before. The Niki that drove and buried the Mafia guys was Nikki prime and she was only following the instructions of her other persona. The true X factor here is what her powers are.

Side note: the bones in the ground are most likely her ex-husband who I'll assume was abusive.

Thinking her internet-porn thing was a cover and she was secretly contacting agents through that, so when she broke the 'Niki' part continued doing so, and then continued to ignore the the organization she used to work for, which is why those dudes were out to get her(I actually forgot if there was any reason for that given in the pilot).

Yeah there was. She took out a loan with the mob. She was a week over due on paying them back. That's why they came after her.

Just thoughts :D

I know. I've been goading you the whole time.:)
I doubt it's as straight forward as that, there is something going on that is deeper.
Those simple events are more feesable than governement training. A single stripper mother, had a former abusive husband (I'm assuming but it's very likely), probably a hard life as well as years of repression with an explosive situation triggering her repressed alter ego to come ou.

[The Question]

Telekinesis is the production of motion within objects without any physical contact.

An object can range from a car, to a person to a molecule in theory.

My point, though, is that there's nothing to say that a telekinetic couldn't also move energy around, such as removing the heat from someone's body.

[Orko Is King]

****, I missed it! Will it be on again?

[LL2K2]

shes also been in some commericals and just a few years ago WB's "Everwood". She's been compared to looking like Rachael Bilson from "the O.C.

http://people.zeelandnet.nl/delhij/everwood/nora%20goed.jpg

http://www.filmstew.com/Users/PhotoFinish/184/RachelBilson.jpg

Clea DuVall? I liked her in this episode.

Oh, and speaking of guest stars, did anybody see Stacy Haiduk (who played Lana Lang in the 1990s Superboy series)? She played one of the LAPD detectives in the scene where we first met Matt.

Looks like this show is following in "Smallville"'s tracks by having guest stars from previous superhero shows (in addition, two of "Heroes"' executive producers, Jeph Loeb and Greg Beeman, were also involved with SV).



But, then again, we're only two episodes in, so who knows? ;)

****, I missed it! Will it be on again?

Go to http://www.nbc.com/heroes and click on either "Video" or "Episodes." They have the previous night's episode online within 24 hours.

Or, if you can't watch it online, they repeat the episode Friday nights at 7 p.m. EDT on the Sci-Fi Channel AND the following Monday at 11:05 p.m. EDT on the USA Network.

[primemover]

My point, though, is that there's nothing to say that a telekinetic couldn't also move energy around, such as removing the heat from someone's body.

Since heat is just speedier molecules, a telekinetic could presumably heat and cool objects by manipulating the motion of said molecules, if the telekinetic had that fidelity of control.

[primemover]

Those simple events are more feesable than governement training. A single stripper mother, had a former abusive husband (I'm assuming but it's very likely), probably a hard life as well as years of repression with an explosive situation triggering her repressed alter ego to come ou.

Too simple, or maybe I am just paranoid.

[Mixairian]

My point, though, is that there's nothing to say that a telekinetic couldn't also move energy around, such as removing the heat from someone's body.
Wait, so we're not arguing?
Too simple, or maybe I am just paranoid.
I sometimes keep a large blunt object by my bed. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I may be prone to grab the object and swing blindly until the light comes on. How's that for paranoid?

[Chuck_the_bear]

that was a good episode
I like how they make the dates match ya know..

and messed up about the cop I felt sorry for him

that ***** only arrested him cause she hasn't been in anything sence girl interupted

[Iron Fist]

Great episode on Monday! Damn, this show is just so awesome i can't wait for the third. I loved how we were left with the introduction of the characters in the first and see thier own stories progress in the second. Hiro is just all kinds of coolness. I loved the surprises that were in store in this ep as well. I had no idea he had traveled to the date of Nov. 8. When i saw the artist dead on the floor, is when i started to question. Then the ending made the sense. It was just so badass! This whole episode was creepy and exciting, definetly left me anticipating next week.

9/10

[Fanticon]

Clea Duvall is just getting creepy because she still looks too young to play anything but college or highschool kid...her role as the cop was meh.

[Iron Fist]

^ That's her name. I saw her before somewhere, but i forgot lol.

[GL1]

Wow... plenty to say...

On The Cheerleader breaking her neck...
It's possible it was over the top. It's possible they were dropping a hint that lover-boy has powers. Cuz last time I heard, someone close to Claire was gonna die. I'd put the beau's brain in Sylar's hand in a second.

On Sylar:
It appears to me he eats brains and gains superpowers. It also appears that he ate Papa Suresh's brain in order to gain the ability to find those with superpowers. While TK does "anything," having such finesse control over Telekinesis in the space of, say, about two years, is rediculous. I'd bet on a power-eater rather than a guy with a single mega-power.

On Hiro:
Speaking of single megapowers, Hiro owns. I can't wait to see him turn into the 'watcher'/'phantom stranger' type character as he travels through time and figures out how to help them save the world.

On Suresh's neighbor:
She's hot.

On the show's premise:
I'm very glad this isn't a "superhero" show and that it's refreshing, new and free of comic book contrivances, whcih I enjoy... in comic books. It really feels like what real people would do if they had powers, very few, if any woudl become either superheroes or supervillains. If you don't want to "take over the world" or "save the world" already, super powers aren't going to suddenly change your emotions. I predict The Dreamer, The Painter, The Girlfriend, Hiro, a reluctant Flyer and MAYBE the cheerleader working together by November 8th, but I would count on anyone else, ESPECIALLY Mirror Girl.

On Nikki Sanders:
The first thing I think is that Dark Nikki is always aware and "our" Nikki is only aware when she's in control. That would suggest that Dark Nikki is either the real Nikki or is at least in charge. I wouldn't bark to high up the Ex-Husband angle, but I wouldn't be so unsure that the body that was pre-buried was killed by DL, her baby's daddy who still loves her. Who the guy was is up in the air: Caught cheating? Angry customer? We can't be sure at this point, it can go just too many directions, but DL has to be in jail for something.

I also don't believe theres any reason to suspect her Dark Alter Ego taking over through mirrors isn't her power. She doesn't need superstrength, special training or anything like that to do any of the things she's done. She just needs to be very very evil and pretty damn smart. That's all. She doesn't "Hulk out," unless you coutn a rush of adrenaline as Hulking out.

On Peter Flying:
I don't trust it... it smells fishy. Part of the unspoken allure of the show is it's simplicity in abilities. Each person should have one power. Period. If they use that power to acquire more, fine, but Peter shouldn't be able to fly, that means either Nathan is a telekinetic OR Peter's powers of empathy (allowing him to detect his dad's death and Nathan's ability) allow him to copy Nathan's brain patterns, giving him Nathan's brain-based power of flight. Either could be interesting, I'd actually bet on the latter.

On physical vs mental abilities:
Keep in mind that all of these abilities are mental in foundation. They all come from naturally evolution-augmented brains. Nikki's powers aren't physical, but they allow her otherwise normal body, to do some interesting physical things. Peter's powers ARE mental, but they allow his otherwise normal body, to duplicate powers of others. Greg, well, he's mental and DL is physical. The painter is mental, Hiro is physical. Claire is physical... um... yeah. Good observation, but I think the lines are a bit blurred.

[Iron Fist]

Wow... plenty to say...

On The Cheerleader breaking her neck...
It's possible it was over the top. It's possible they were dropping a hint that lover-boy has powers. Cuz last time I heard, someone close to Claire was gonna die. I'd put the beau's brain in Sylar's hand in a second.

On Sylar:
It appears to me he eats brains and gains superpowers. It also appears that he ate Papa Suresh's brain in order to gain the ability to find those with superpowers. While TK does "anything," having such finesse control over Telekinesis in the space of, say, about two years, is rediculous. I'd bet on a power-eater rather than a guy with a single mega-power.

On Hiro:
Speaking of single megapowers, Hiro owns. I can't wait to see him turn into the 'watcher'/'phantom stranger' type character as he travels through time and figures out how to help them save the world.

On Suresh's neighbor:
She's hot.

On the show's premise:
I'm very glad this isn't a "superhero" show and that it's refreshing, new and free of comic book contrivances, whcih I enjoy... in comic books. It really feels like what real people would do if they had powers, very few, if any woudl become either superheroes or supervillains. If you don't want to "take over the world" or "save the world" already, super powers aren't going to suddenly change your emotions. I predict The Dreamer, The Painter, The Girlfriend, Hiro, a reluctant Flyer and MAYBE the cheerleader working together by November 8th, but I would count on anyone else, ESPECIALLY Mirror Girl.

On Nikki Sanders:
The first thing I think is that Dark Nikki is always aware and "our" Nikki is only aware when she's in control. That would suggest that Dark Nikki is either the real Nikki or is at least in charge. I wouldn't bark to high up the Ex-Husband angle, but I wouldn't be so unsure that the body that was pre-buried was killed by DL, her baby's daddy who still loves her. Who the guy was is up in the air: Caught cheating? Angry customer? We can't be sure at this point, it can go just too many directions, but DL has to be in jail for something.

I also don't believe theres any reason to suspect her Dark Alter Ego taking over through mirrors isn't her power. She doesn't need superstrength, special training or anything like that to do any of the things she's done. She just needs to be very very evil and pretty damn smart. That's all. She doesn't "Hulk out," unless you coutn a rush of adrenaline as Hulking out.

On Peter Flying:
I don't trust it... it smells fishy. Part of the unspoken allure of the show is it's simplicity in abilities. Each person should have one power. Period. If they use that power to acquire more, fine, but Peter shouldn't be able to fly, that means either Nathan is a telekinetic OR Peter's powers of empathy (allowing him to detect his dad's death and Nathan's ability) allow him to copy Nathan's brain patterns, giving him Nathan's brain-based power of flight. Either could be interesting, I'd actually bet on the latter.

On physical vs mental abilities:
Keep in mind that all of these abilities are mental in foundation. They all come from naturally evolution-augmented brains. Nikki's powers aren't physical, but they allow her otherwise normal body, to do some interesting physical things. Peter's powers ARE mental, but they allow his otherwise normal body, to duplicate powers of others. Greg, well, he's mental and DL is physical. The painter is mental, Hiro is physical. Claire is physical... um... yeah. Good observation, but I think the lines are a bit blurred.

Well said.

[Iron Fist]

Isn't there one more "hero" that has yet to be introduced? I remember seeing that there was a man who was a prison inmate and his power was that he could phase through things?

If so, then i have a theory that since the cop was arrested, he be in jail and his cell will be next to the phaser and maybe they escape together.

[Gold Samurai]

Clea DuVall? I liked her in this episode.



no I was just making a comparison between Nora Zehetner(pictured on top) and Rachael Bilson(picture underneath Nora)

[Enzyme]

I watched the leaked screener version of the pilot and absolutley hated it. It was horrendously terrible.

The second episode wasn't any better. It's trying so hard to be good, but failing miserably. Ooooo, the symbol done in one of the paintings was also "hidden" in the computer coding, mind blowing. The comic about Hiro, and the fact that it turned out he travelled through time and not teleported were the only entertaining parts. "What!? He didn't realise he was flying and he drew that scene before it happened. SHOCKING! What next, her Dad has the tapes!? OMG!!!" Yawn.

It's no doubt been said before, but it's desperately trying to be like Lost. And doing a poor job.

I'm only watching it for Hiro (and Hayden the eye candy). I can't stand Ali Larter, her acting is bad, she isn't good looking and her two front teeth make me want to turn her into a pinata with the use of a sledgehammer.

[spider-neil]

hear me out with this one, I think styler(sp) is the genesis of the heroes the first one and therefore the most powerful, his first power is to absorb the strength of a human by eating the brain or the power of a hero but then moved onto heroes (I'm guessing).

look at the murder scene of the little girls parents house, the body is at least 6 feet off the floor (superstrength?) there are knives and forks in the body (teleconisis? magnitism?) there was a body that was frozen (ice powers?)

also you'd have to assume styler is able to approach the victims without them running away (invisibity? shape shifting?)

styler seems attracted to people with powers (hero tracker?) so he kills the hero and adds the new power to his/her already large arsenal.

it's quite strange the character I'm most intrigued about has yet to show his/her face

I LOVE this television seres :D

[Chuck_the_bear]

i say nikkie becomes the villian

but an unwilling one

and at the near end of the season she gains controle for th elove of her son

[Fanticon]

i say nikkie becomes the villian

but an unwilling one

and at the near end of the season she gains controle for th elove of her son

exactly...she'll be forced to use her powers, or they'll be used against her, she'll be easily bribed at the threat of losing her son...she's dangerous to be sure, but she's not in control...she'll become a puppet.

[Dr Lee]

Oh, and speaking of guest stars, did anybody see Stacy Haiduk (who played Lana Lang in the 1990s Superboy series)? She played one of the LAPD detectives in the scene where we first met Matt
Which one was she? the blonde haired one that arrested the cop or the other one?.

[SouLeSS]

Don't feel like reading through 7 pages of whatnot, but uh...

Did like, this whole episode take place in the future because of what Hiro did? Or was it just his storyline that was in the future?

[Darren Daring]

Just Hiro

[JeanGrey12]

Well, i'm just gonna jump right in here cause I really don't feel like reading through 7 pages lol. Anyway....

I thought the episode was pretty cool, but I will say there was some seriously random unexpected shots of skull-less people. I'm going to guess they are connected. That was the weirdest crime scene ever! The dad was frozen/skulless and the mom was practically nailed to the side of the stairs. I just feel bad for the little girl.

I'm glaad Peter flew. I hope it stays that he can fly, rather than the theory that Nathan is telekinetic. He's probably my favorite character of them all and I just hope he doesn't get let down. Plus, the whole dreamer=the guy who can fly...it connects.

I still don't quite get Ali Larter's powers. I keep thinking of Jean Grey (in movieverse, not comic) with her, but not in a cool kind of way. Like I think Jean is pretty cool, but Ali...she just kind of confuses me so far.

Well...so far so good. My favs are Peter Petrelli and Suresh (sp?). Claire is kinda cool too along with Hiro. Can't wait for next week!

[The Question]

I think it's pretty obvious that Peter can temporarily copy the powers of others. He drew a picture of himself flying shortly before he did it, and he had been in contact with Isaac, our precog, a day earlier.

[Abaddon]

could someone explain to me stripper-mom's powers?

[JeanGrey12]

I think it's pretty obvious that Peter can temporarily copy the powers of others. He drew a picture of himself flying shortly before he did it, and he had been in contact with Isaac, our precog, a day earlier.

Yeah. I actually fully agree with that now. It didn't even occur to me that the picture was of what happened later in the episode. Not just what happened before. I just checked out that section of the episode and it is pretty obvious. Just hope he gets that before he jumps off another building with being near his brother lol.

[The Question]

could someone explain to me stripper-mom's powers?


Basically, she's got multiple personality disorder, but some psychic ability enables her other personality to effect the real world. That's why she had no blood on her when she woke up, and it may be why the camera spazzed out when the killings started to happen.

[Abaddon]

I didn't quite understand what happened when she experienced lost time after viewing the what happened through the camera. Did her alter ego take over? It seemed like she had some type of reality bending ability but I'm sure it's more simple than that.:huh:

[The Squirrel]

Anyone notice the paper when Hiro was in the future. It appears that Nathan will win the election for Senate.

[Upset Spideyfan]

But how? Considering he was so far behind in the first episode something drastic must have happened.

[blksuperman2]

I didn't quite understand what happened when she experienced lost time after viewing the what happened through the camera. Did her alter ego take over? It seemed like she had some type of reality bending ability but I'm sure it's more simple than that.:huh:

Yeah I think her alter ego took over. 4 hours had passed. In that time she had cleaned up the garage, gotten a car, and changed into the red shirt.

I'm wondering how the dead bodies in the desert play into everything.

[PLAS]

Yeah I think her alter ego took over. 4 hours had passed. In that time she had cleaned up the garage, gotten a car, and changed into the red shirt.

I'm wondering how the dead bodies in the desert play into everything.
she killed and bury them

[blksuperman2]

she killed and bury them

I thought the guys in the trunk were the guys she killed. Who were they then?

[Upset Spideyfan]

Other people she took out.

[imdaly]

Am I the only one that suspects that the father of the stripper's kid is the Indain-Arab-whatever guy? The kid definitely has some cross-culture in his genes.

First episode was kinda a letdown. Good enough to try the next episode, but nothing mindboggling like I expected.....

That all came in THIS episode. WOW.

"Flying" dude - Definitely has the power to borrow other's powers. He could fly both times he was near his brother who has the power to fly. He could draw the future because he's probably in the same hospital as the dude who can draw the future. IF this is the case, I love the way it's making us assume that he can just fly like his brother.

Hiro - LOVE him. Stereotype? Definitely, but it's part of what's so great about him. I LOVE the twist that he can't just teleport...he controls time. The end of this episode was a freaking GENIOUS way to lay out the plotline for the entire season. The special effects were amazingly good, too.

[MulligaN Stew]

I missed the 2nd episode. Arrgh, here's to next week.

From what I've read, it sounded like a good one.

How exactly do Hiro's teleportation powers work? When I missed the last ep, one of my friends was explaining something about a time differential w/ Hiro in a police precinct? Yeah, I was lost because I didn't watch it, and I was hoping for a quick re-cap before episode 3.

If you any of you feel like it, enlighten me on it or just give me an overall summary of 2.

It would be appreciated.

[PLAS]

you have to see it yourself

words do no justice

oh yeah, Hiro not only teletransports through space, also time

[Substance D]

syler freaks me out. it's gonna be sweet to see how these "everyday" people with budding superpowers take on this guy.

[PLAS]

I predict a whole lot of WTF moments going throughout the series

[Darren Daring]

But how? Considering he was so far behind in the first episode something drastic must have happened.

AHAHHAHAHAHA, you sound like bad exposition.

[Darren Daring]

I think it's pretty obvious that Peter can temporarily copy the powers of others. He drew a picture of himself flying shortly before he did it, and he had been in contact with Isaac, our precog, a day earlier.

And they said so in TV guide[/go me]

[Upset Spideyfan]

AHAHHAHAHAHA, you sound like bad exposition.


Awesome. :D

[LL2K2]

Which one was she? the blonde haired one that arrested the cop or the other one?.

I think, interestingly enough, she was the redhead (the other one you're referring to). ;)

[imdaly]

So, anyone else think that maybe there's more to the hooker's little kid than meets the eye, too?

He stole that lady's $300, and we don't know why yet, so there's definitely SOMETHING more to him.

But, bear with me, what if he has a power, too?

Y'know, if he has, say...the power of super-speed...maybe HE is the one that cleaned up the murder scene, got the car, and put the bodies in the trunk.

Perhaps he's doing everything he can to protect his poor mom, just as his poor mom's doing everything to protect him?

Maybe he stole that lady's money to try to raise money to help out his mom who's desperately in need of money. Perhaps he used that along with some other money he raised in the same manner to somehow buy or steal the nice new converable.

Maybe when the mom came back home with her kid to deal with the murder scene, and the boy walked into the house, he quickly saw the scene in the garage. Maybe before the mom was able to open the door, he cleaned everything up, threw the bodies in the trunk of the convertable, left the note inside, and ran back into the house...all within a couple seconds.

Heck, perhaps he's even the one responsible for killing the Mafia dudes...to protect his mother that was being raped/beaten/etc.

No idea if there's anything to this, but with shows like this (and LOST) I have fun trying to think of the least obvious answers to what's going on.

But I DEFINITELY think there's something more going on with the kid than meets the eye...

[Mixairian]

So, anyone else think that maybe there's more to the hooker's little kid than meets the eye, too?

He stole that lady's $300, and we don't know why yet, so there's definitely SOMETHING more to him.

But, bear with me, what if he has a power, too?

Y'know, if he has, say...the power of super-speed...maybe HE is the one that cleaned up the murder scene, got the car, and put the bodies in the trunk.

Perhaps he's doing everything he can to protect his poor mom, just as his poor mom's doing everything to protect him?

Maybe he stole that lady's money to try to raise money to help out his mom who's desperately in need of money. Perhaps he used that along with some other money he raised in the same manner to somehow buy or steal the nice new converable.

Maybe when the mom came back home with her kid to deal with the murder scene, and the boy walked into the house, he quickly saw the scene in the garage. Maybe before the mom was able to open the door, he cleaned everything up, threw the bodies in the trunk of the convertable, left the note inside, and ran back into the house...all within a couple seconds.

Heck, perhaps he's even the one responsible for killing the Mafia dudes...to protect his mother that was being raped/beaten/etc.

No idea if there's anything to this, but with shows like this (and LOST) I have fun trying to think of the least obvious answers to what's going on.

But I DEFINITELY think there's something more going on with the kid than meets the eye...

Little kid: one of two options.

Option 1: Normal Kid, we're being toyed with.
Option 2: Super Intelligence (never understimate how our emotions for loved ones make us dumber in some situations, nor the value of good old fashion experience).

[Darkdd]

The kids dad is in prison.He's also black( :o ).

[The Squirrel]

When did the kid steal money?

[Iron Fist]

The kids dad is in prison.He's also black( :o ).

Yeah, the kid's dad has the power to phase through things.

[blksuperman2]

When did the kid steal money?

Yeah, I missed that too.

[Triadkd]

The kids power is super intelligence.

[Mixairian]

The kids dad is in prison.He's also black( :o ).
The kid's dad is most likely those piles of bones we saw in the ground.
When did the kid steal money?
I don't recall that at all.

[JeanGrey12]

maybe i wasnt paying that much attention to the episode, but i dont recall any serious reference to the kid having super powers (lots of people are really intelligent) and i dont recall him stealing money. also i dont believe suhresh (sp?) is his father or that his father will really have all that much to do with the story line.

[Spider-Fan83]

The kid's dad is most likely those piles of bones we saw in the ground.
maybe i wasnt paying that much attention to the episode, but i dont recall any serious reference to the kid having super powers (lots of people are really intelligent) and i dont recall him stealing money. also i dont believe suhresh (sp?) is his father or that his father will really have all that much to do with the story line. now correct me if I am wrong in assuming that the guy in this promo shot (holding his hand) is his father, so, I believe, he will atleast have a role in the show (as for the size or importance of the role I don't know) but, he will be in a future episode, and is not dead
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9371/herosau1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
just saying

[imdaly]

When did the kid steal money?

Well, looking through the episode for exactly when it happened, I realized that it was one of the things that has been removed from the first episode.

I had the screener downloaded at first, and there was a scene where the kid was sitting in the redheaded lady's kitchen, and she put a small wad of money into her purse as the kid eyed it very suspiciously. That scene is apparently nowhere to be found in the aired version.

Then, in the screener version of the episode, the stripper mom originally wakes up to a phone call from the redhead lady asking where she was and saying something about $300 being missing from her purse. In the aired version, it has been changed to the kid calling asking where she was.


So has this been a dropped plot, or just delayed until a later episode? Not sure yet, but this explains why nobody else remembers anything about it, because it seemed like a really important detail everyone missed.

[tecnowraith]

I notice something while this episode for the second last night where Hiro Nakamura put the comic he stole in his bag. I am now wandering if that will be the proof of his powers and what he saw to the other heroes especially to the the Painter.

[imdaly]

Hmm...good catch! Definitely a possibility!

[Avalanche]

And patient Zero is apparently a man named Syler who I am now absoluetly scared ****less of.
It's very Mutant X, where patient Zero was the first mutant created, and subsequently the most powerful. A sociapath and killer to go with it.

[Darren Daring]

If you people would read TV guide, you would know that the kid has powers and his father is the guy in prison who can walk through walls.

[imdaly]

Also, this post contains spoilers, so don't read it if you're troubled by that.

WTF man. You wanna tell us ahead of time next time?? I know you did that on purpose, so why be such an ass?

[Darren Daring]

WTF man. You wanna tell us ahead of time next time?? I know you did that on purpose, so why be such an ass?

It was funny:confused:

[Eddie Brock]

Mica's father probably is the prison inmate who learns he can phase through things

[Mixairian]

WTF man. You wanna tell us ahead of time next time?? I know you did that on purpose, so why be such an ass?
Just like you quoted him without blocking out his spoilers?

[GhostPoet]

Wow...I love this show. Easily one of my favorites now. Things are just getting intense now!!

I can't wait for the next ep!! :)

[imdaly]

Just like you quoted him without blocking out his spoilers?

Ack! You're right...I apologize for that, and I've fixed it now.

[GhostPoet]

So...my theory on why someone killed the painter and also the indian guys dad...and is likely killing other super-powered beings.

I think it's an organization that realizes there are many people out there with powers....they themselves have powers but know that some may get it in their head that they can use those powers for good. They have the potential to bring down this organization (who is likely responsible for the nuke in the city) And so they chose to eliminate those who could oppose them.

Take out the heroes before they realize they can be heroes.

[Eddie Brock]

So...my theory on why someone killed the painter and also the indian guys dad...and is likely killing other super-powered beings.

I think it's an organization that realizes there are many people out there with powers....they themselves have powers but know that some may get it in their head that they can use those powers for good. They have the potential to bring down this organization (who is likely responsible for the nuke in the city) And so they chose to eliminate those who could oppose them.

Take out the heroes before they realize they can be heroes.
Suresh's dad doesn't have powers

[JeanGrey12]

So...my theory on why someone killed the painter and also the indian guys dad...and is likely killing other super-powered beings.

I think it's an organization that realizes there are many people out there with powers....they themselves have powers but know that some may get it in their head that they can use those powers for good. They have the potential to bring down this organization (who is likely responsible for the nuke in the city) And so they chose to eliminate those who could oppose them.

Take out the heroes before they realize they can be heroes.

somehow i think it will be more complex than evil trying to keep good from happening but good thought tho.

[GhostPoet]

Suresh's dad doesn't have powers

Not that we know of...but he had something more important. He had information that "they" wouldn't want anyone besides them to have...


that's my guess :P