Peter Petrelli Speculation

[Iron Fist]

In the recent events and episodes of 'Heroes' we've seen that maybe he might have the ability to fly just like his brother. But what occured to me was that he struggled with the ability. What if he can fly can from a different power? Meaning why would there be two of them that can fly? I think there's more to Peter and maybe his power isn't to fly. But to MIMIC those that are around him. We've seen the ones that have powers and it would pretty much make sense wouldn't it?

What do you guys think?

[The Question]

It's pretty obvious. I mean, if you remember, he drew a picture of himself flying in the same circumstances that he did at the end of the episode shortly befor it happened, and about a day after he had contact with Isaac.

[Iron Fist]

Exactly my point. I can't wait for tomorrow's episode to see what happens.

[maxwell's demon]

or he's a telekinetic.

[Tanin]

Or he has the ability to use other peoples powers like the TV guide stated.

[maxwell's demon]

or tvguide are big fat liars:cmad:


:csad:

[Mistopurr83]

Did any of you see episode 2? Near the end Peter found out he is able to fly as well.

[Asgard]

I wonder if there's a time limit to how long he can use the other heroes' powers.

[Eddie Brock]

using other people's powers is cheap
get your own power you lousy bum

[tecnowraith]

Did any of you see episode 2? Near the end Peter found out he is able to fly as well.

Yeah did you the drawing he did, just likethe painter: seeing the future as well? Heince the mimic power. I said this in another forum that the male nurse/brother is the male version of Rogue.

[GhostPoet]

He said he was floating before he fell/got out of bed.
Case closed. :)

[The Question]

Yeah did you the drawing he did, just likethe painter: seeing the future as well? Heince the mimic power. I said this in another forum that the male nurse/brother is the male version of Rogue.


More like an organic Amazo. He doesn't drain their life force. He simply copies their physical atributes by being near them.

[Eddie Brock]

He said he was floating before he fell/got out of bed.
Case closed. :)
he drew a picture of himself floating BEFORE he did it
case open

[StorminNorman]

My brother's theory is that Peter has no powers at all. That his dreams of flying are because of his natural connection to his brother and that his floating at the end of Ep 2 had to do with his brother controlling him more than Ptere himself doing anything.

I personally believe he is a mimic, but that was already mentioned.

[Mixairian]

During the previews, they called him the Dreamer. I always thought his abilties would either be prophetic and empathic. The Painter is the prophetic one.

After watching the first episode, I was dead set on Empathy.

In the thread on the first episode, someone mentioned in an interview he told his ability was empathy.

The second episode confirms this in a way.

Empathy, the ability to feel or experience what another person is feeling or experiencing. This can be stretched to powers. So you could very easily call it Mimic, Copy, Power Absorbtion, etc.

The following is the list of our evidence for this power:

Episode 1, he knew when his brother got injured far away.
Episode 1, he claims to know what the painters girlfriends comatose father is feeling(he enjoys a particular news section read to him).
Episode 1, he only flew after he was in close contact with his brother.
Episode 2, he only hovered after being in close contact with his brother.
Episode 2, in Episode 1 he came in contact with the Painter (prophet). While in the hospital, he draws a picture of him hovering towards his brother on rooftop (which obviously came true).
Episode 3, he knows the right time to make the right move on the girl he's into.

The main focus in the first episode is how Peter is always concerned and giving to other people. The primary focus on empathy is human feeling and emotion. As I've said before, it's not a hard stretch to bring that over for powers.

[Mr.Webs]

Perfectly stated, Mixarian. Also, the fact that in this episode, despite everything, he still couldn't fly by his lonesome. Why? Nathan wasn't around.

[8atman]

Is it possible Nathan could actually be Syler? I mean everyone else on the show is amazed, curious, speculative about there power..........except Nathan. And why go through the trouble of hidding Syler's identity unless it's someone we know. Him being telekenetic would explain him making Peter believe he can fly. Also if Nathan is trying to hide his powers at the cost of making his brother look foolish why not take out anyone else who could get in the way of that?

[Eddie Brock]

Is it possible Nick could actually be Syler? I mean everyone else on the show is amazed, curious, speculative about there power..........except Nick. And why go through the trouble of hidding Syler's identity unless it's someone we know. Him being telekenetic would explain him making Peter believe he can fly. Also if Nick is trying to hide his powers at the cost of making his brother look foolish why not take out anyone else who could get in the way of that?
his name is Nathan, not Nick

[paulyfknt90]

In the recent events and episodes of 'Heroes' we've seen that maybe he might have the ability to fly just like his brother. But what occured to me was that he struggled with the ability. What if he can fly can from a different power? Meaning why would there be two of them that can fly? I think there's more to Peter and maybe his power isn't to fly. But to MIMIC those that are around him. We've seen the ones that have powers and it would pretty much make sense wouldn't it?

What do you guys think?


thats what i thought, after seeing that i was like wait isnt isaac the one who draws the future?

it explains why he cant fly when hes by himself, such as at the end of episode 3 when the kid watches as he keeps falling

[StorminNorman]

Is it possible Nathan could actually be Syler? I mean everyone else on the show is amazed, curious, speculative about there power..........except Nathan. And why go through the trouble of hidding Syler's identity unless it's someone we know. Him being telekenetic would explain him making Peter believe he can fly. Also if Nathan is trying to hide his powers at the cost of making his brother look foolish why not take out anyone else who could get in the way of that?

I entertained that notion too until I read the NBC Heroes Comics. Assuming they are cannon, it shows Nathan actually going out of his way to use his powers to save someone, meaning that there is some good in him after all.

[Kaboom]

i know wikipedia isnt cannon or anything, but its reporting his powers to be mimicry

[The Punisher]

Yeah, i saw that also.

[Mixairian]

Is it possible Nathan could actually be Syler? I mean everyone else on the show is amazed, curious, speculative about there power..........except Nathan. And why go through the trouble of hidding Syler's identity unless it's someone we know. Him being telekenetic would explain him making Peter believe he can fly. Also if Nathan is trying to hide his powers at the cost of making his brother look foolish why not take out anyone else who could get in the way of that?

Flight and Telekinesis are different abilities. If Nathan was a mass murdering serial killer, Peter would know because of his empathic connection with his brother.

i know wikipedia isnt cannon or anything, but its reporting his powers to be mimicry
He did after all state empathy in an interview (or so we've been told).

[Eddie Brock]

i believe nothing! nothing, i say!

[The Punisher]

It's true, we'll have to wait and out and see if he even has powers.

[Mistopurr83]

We probably won't know what Peter's actual power is until the end of season 1. Some shows don't let you know something until the season finale.

[Eddie Brock]

We probably won't know what Peter's actual power is until the end of season 1. Some shows don't let you know something until the season finale.
maybe, but it will become more obvious over time

[Hudson]

I'm thinking Peter might end up as a villain.

[Sub-Zero]

i kinda hope he is the villain. like he absorbed all the "heroes' powers in the future and it made him crazy so he goes back in time to prevent it from ever happening but ends up killing people. it would make him a lot cooler.

[faceplant]

here's my speculation about peter, if he's going to be a hero, he has to grow a set and stop whining.

[muscaremy]

he absorbs other peoples power and will be tempted whether to use it for good or evil

[StorminNorman]

I dont see how Peter will go to the "dark side". He seems to be the Superman of the group.

[Hudson]

I dont see how Peter will go to the "dark side". He seems to be the Superman of the group.
It's like how he's described and what he says in the first episode: "It's my turn to be somebody!"

[The Punisher]

In the latest T.V guide, they say Peter is an empath.

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

If you guys remember in Episode 1, Peter mention to his brother that when he got out of bed that morning his foot hovered there. He was not near his brother then and he flew.

[The Punisher]

At this point, we'll just have to wait and see what Peter can actually do.

[muscaremy]

read carefully wat the punisher and myself have sed

[Parker]

In the recent events and episodes of 'Heroes' we've seen that maybe he might have the ability to fly just like his brother. But what occured to me was that he struggled with the ability. What if he can fly can from a different power? Meaning why would there be two of them that can fly? I think there's more to Peter and maybe his power isn't to fly. But to MIMIC those that are around him. We've seen the ones that have powers and it would pretty much make sense wouldn't it?

What do you guys think?

He has only "flown" on two ocassions, both of which were in the presence of his brother. Something tells me Nathan Petrelli isn't the guy he seems. He acted waaaaay to calm when he first realized he could fly.

I mean, come on. Who says "...I don't know" when they first find out they have the ability to defy gravity of their own volition, can you think of anybody?

Any normal person would've been like "DUDE! ARE YOU SEEING THIS?! I AM FLYING! FUH-LY-ING! I AM SO LAID!"

I get the impression he already knew he could fly and could possess some type of telekinesis that allows him to levitate other people, and he's trying to sweep it under the rug. Notice how he never wants to talk about it and just pretend it never happened.

[The Punisher]

read carefully wat the punisher and myself have sed

:up:

[fangrl06]

I think this guy is the most boring guy on heroes. They need to spice this charater up. Give him a super-villain love interest or something....

[Iron Fist]

I think this guy is the most boring guy on heroes. They need to spice this charater up. Give him a super-villain love interest or something....

:huh: Peter is awesome, the one who's boring is the artist that can tell the future imo.

[AirKnight82]

:huh: Peter is awesome, the one who's boring is the artist that can tell the future imo.

True that guy is such a freakin' weirdo man! He is just a big drug addict on the show and doesn't really have much of a power except when he gets high and then he can paint things that are bound to happen. WOW he can predict the future, wheres the rest of the telekentic powers?

But Peter seems to be mimicing others in and empathic way/touch. So maybe in the first episode he was channeling the artist when he was dreaming or something, but only time will tell what will really happen.

I am more interested in the Cheerleader and the woman who has the evil mirror clone. They have more story line and want to know more about them.:oldrazz:

[Araneae]

I'm going with the mimic theory. In the promo for next week's episode there was a quick shot of Peter with his eyes all milky white like that artist guy's when he was having a vision while painting.

[Hiruu]

I'm going with the mimic theory. In the promo for next week's episode there was a quick shot of Peter with his eyes all milky white like that artist guy's when he was having a vision while painting.

Yeah...he's definitely a mimic, and he probably doesn't retain the ability, kinda like rogue, but you've gotta figure, once he's imprinted the ability, it'll be easier for him to recall, when in range of the other person.

[muscaremy]

jeez i wish someone sed he could take others powers.....ohh wait i did and so did the punisher....

[Leto]

Apparently in the future he's going to get an awesome scar. He's definitely going to become a leader of the Heroes. I mean, since when has a guy with a neat facial scar not been a total badass?

[Silverstein]

I think he has every power. Not just the ability to take powers. Because he had dreams about flying before he even got in contact with the artist. Then he could fly. I think he will just have every power.

I'm sure the mimic thing might be true. But it's so obvious it seems like they're trying to make us look past something else.

So maybe he has a fluxuating power (which would be insanely original because no mainstream character had that before..). So maybe he can fly, but then he can read the future. He has whatever power he needs or wants...

[Abaddon]

His brother is such an *******.

[Tony Stark]

His brother is such an *******.

Well what do you expect from a politician? lol


The guy is a complete slime ball, says he's "happlily married", but jumps in the sack at the first opportunity with another woman. Publically announces his brother's "suicide" for political experience.

I have a feeling they will make him more of a sympathetic character as the series continues, but his loyalties are obviously only to himself.

[cerealkiller182]

Peter= Syler

He can from the future with Hiro's powers and he used his brothers, the cheerleaders, and the black guys powers when he assualted the FBI agent.

Hiro also came back to talk to Peter as if to warn him.

[fangrl06]

Peter= Syler

He can from the future with Hiro's powers and he used his brothers, the cheerleaders, and the black guys powers when he assualted the FBI agent.

Hiro also came back to talk to Peter as if to warn him.
That could be interesting. Or what if it is one of the side characters like Nikki's husband or Claire's nerd-friend.

[Abaddon]

Peter= Syler

He can from the future with Hiro's powers and he used his brothers, the cheerleaders, and the black guys powers when he assualted the FBI agent.

Hiro also came back to talk to Peter as if to warn him.


Doubtful.

[Iron Fist]

Actually I think it's possible that Peter could be Sylar.

[xwolverine2]

this guy is so gonna be a villain

[Iron Fist]

Yeah, i think hes going to be a villain as well. Though, Hiro's message could change all of that.

And nice avvy btw.

[Sean Adisano]

i think has the ability to take the powers or acquire the powers of the mutants around him, like rogue of x-men:

think about it, he only fly's around his brother and he saw the future when he was around the druggie future telling guy (i forget his name).

when he's around nobody with powers, he's got nothing, but he can do the same thing as the others when around them.

[tecnowraith]

I will change my last comment about Peter being similar to Rogue where after thinking about it more and remembering another Xmen character, Peter is more like Mimic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimic_%28comics%29

[burning-robot]

I wonder of he can mimic knowledge and physical traits like the Marvel Mimic. In the comic Mimic could Ace all his exams by mimicing the teachers knowedge, and was the best a sports by mimicing all the best traits of his teamates.The thing that makes me think he can is that at his brothers political speach he had his hair combed back and was real smooth with that girl, mimicing his brothers confidence perhaps? One thing is for sure, we havent seen the full extent of the heroes powers.

[muscaremy]

does nobody read here....he can absorb other peoples power...ive sed this already....got the info from tv guide...why are people still speculatin

[Silverstein]

Because your sentance was not even in proper english. What the ****, I'm drunk and I know that.

[Sub-Zero]

I will change my last comment about Peter being similar to Rogue where after thinking about it more and remembering another Xmen character, Peter is more like Mimic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimic_%28comics%29

nah, more like synch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synch_%28comics%29).

[muscaremy]

my sentence made plenty of sense

[tecnowraith]

nah, more like synch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synch_%28comics%29).

Ohh I forgot about him :) only read a few issues of that series.

[PriemRyeest]

I dont think Peter is going to be an enemy. Hiro said he looks diff without his scar. So he knew him, in the future.
Peters like Rogue in Xmen... :)

[ragdus]

Hiro could have known him in the future even if he was evil... not that i subscribe to that theory

[PLAS]

Hiro could have known him in the future even if he was evil... not that i subscribe to that theory
remember what Future Hiro said? it was as if they are really close friends in the future

[ragdus]

I wasn't disputing that. I said just because Hiro knows him, that fact alone in no way indicates if future peter is good or bad.

[elgaz]

Peter as Sylar could work. He could initially have started out as good old Peter Petrelli, then in the future something happens which causes him to turn bad ............ mind control, loss of faith, who knows.

Perhaps that's why Sylar is taking the brains of all the people with powers - if he is Peter (and his own power is to absorb others) then perhaps having parts of those brains around him at all times enables him to maintain his powers. Thats assuming that they have discovered there is a certain part of the brain which controls the powers of all heroes.

Long shot, I know :P

Gaz

[PowersOfMind]

Peter as Sylar could work. He could initially have started out as good old Peter Petrelli, then in the future something happens which causes him to turn bad ............ mind control, loss of faith, who knows.

Perhaps that's why Sylar is taking the brains of all the people with powers - if he is Peter (and his own power is to absorb others) then perhaps having parts of those brains around him at all times enables him to maintain his powers. Thats assuming that they have discovered there is a certain part of the brain which controls the powers of all heroes.

Long shot, I know :P

Gaz

Long shot it may be, but it is a conceivable long shot.

[-Æ-]

I really can't see Peter as Sylar, that is a really long stretch.

[Logan Creed]

Peter as Sylar? Don't think so. Future Hiro made it seem like he was the one to save them all. He even said he risked a rift in time by doing so, for Peter to be the one bring them all together to save the city. Not bring them all together to eat their brains.

So unless Hiro is evil too, Peter isn't Sylar.

[PLAS]

Peter as Sylar? Don't think so. Future Hiro made it seem like he was the one to save them all. He even said he risked a rift in time by doing so, for Peter to be the one bring them all together to save the city. Not bring them all together to eat their brains.

So unless Hiro is evil too, Peter isn't Sylar.
wouldn't that be a neat twist?

but the fact that so many of us are speculating about it just means that the writters will most likely go in a different direction

has anyone else noticed how none of our predictions have come through?

[Iron Fist]

Looks like my theory about Peter being able to mimic was right!

[GhostPoet]

Nope.
Peter is a good guy.

Besiders Sylar exists NOW, not in the future...eating peoples brains, freezing them, using super strength and has mental abilities.

He likely gains the powers from the brains he eats. Peter hasn't had time for any brain eating. :P

[Iron Fist]

But Sylar could be Peter, from the future. When ep 3 showed, Sylar looked to have the scar on his right cheek.

[GL1]

I think you guys are missing the obvious possiblity that Peter could take Nikki's power. Peter can be a good guy all he want, but if he copies Nikki he'll have that dark persona, and... well... Sylar. Just a possibility.

I'm still not big on Sylar being from the future, I'd rather not time travel play too huge a role in things at this point, though the idea that once sylar gets Claire's power he'll be invincible is really cool. Here's another thought: what if it wasn't Sylar that Matt Parkman shot at? What if DarkPeter/FuturePeter/someone else was trying to get that little girl for some other reason or purpose?

Just thoughts.

[Iron Fist]

^ I agree with that thought.

[ragdus]

If Hiro is good, and future Peter is Sylar, why would Hiro tell Peter to save the cheerleader (who is key to stopping Sylar)? Wouldn't he want to avoid having Peter come into contact with her, thus opening the possibility of having 2 Sylars (the future one and the new one created by current timeline Peter stealing powers)?

I'm not buying it.

[PLAS]

But Sylar could be Peter, from the future. When ep 3 showed, Sylar looked to have the scar on his right cheek.
that's what made me think about that posibility

[Iron Fist]

ANOTHER good point. But the Peter/Sylar theory is still with me. I mean Sylar showed to have multiple abilities, it could be Peter. So I stay undecided.

[Iron Fist]

that's what made me think about that posibility

Exactly my point. :woot:

[Logan Creed]

ANOTHER good point. But the Peter/Sylar theory is still with me. I mean Sylar showed to have multiple abilities, it could be Peter. So I stay undecided.
Sylar doesn't necessarily have multiple powers. All of the things he's been shown doing could all be realted to Telekenesis.

[Iron Fist]

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[PLAS]

Sylar doesn't necessarily have multiple powers. All of the things he's been shown doing could all be realted to Telekenesis.
or consuming other special's brains and thus gaining their abbilities

[PLAS]

Sylar doesn't necessarily have multiple powers. All of the things he's been shown doing could all be realted to Telekenesis.
look!!! a double post!!!

[Iron Fist]

Didn't Sylar freeze someone though?

[Lando7763]

Sylar doesn't necessarily have multiple powers. All of the things he's been shown doing could all be realted to Telekenesis.

Yeah. Especially the "freezing someone" part. If not for that, I'd completely agree with you.

I would agree that Peter is Sylar, if not for the fact that Sylar spoke with Chandra on the phone. Yeah, it could be Peter from the future, but I'd like to think that the writers are more creative than making time travel the answer to everything. It's an interesting plot device, but not hardly good enough to can an entire season; a few eps, at most.

Plus, if Peter is Sylar from the future, his ability to time travel would most likely mean a very cold, very brainless Hiro, making it impossible for "Future Hiro" to show up in ep 4.

[Logan Creed]

Didn't Sylar freeze someone though?
Telekinesis on a molecular level.

[Silverstein]

WTF are you guys talking about? Are we watching the same show? Sylar is the creepy adopted father of the Cheerleader right? The apparent bad guy of the series?

Yeah in the show I watched, Sylar didn't do ANYTHING. He had the black guy do it. So why would he need the black guy if he was Peter? Peter will have every power once he meets everyone. So he won't need someone to do things for him, he could do it himself. And if there is an evil Peter, he'd have every power as well.

[Logan Creed]

WTF are you guys talking about? Are we watching the same show? Sylar is the creepy adopted father of the Cheerleader right? The apparent bad guy of the series?
.
He's too obvious. I bet he's not even really a bad guy. He hasn't killed anyone. If he truly was evil/bad, that quarterback would have been so dead.

[PLAS]

WTF are you guys talking about? Are we watching the same show? Sylar is the creepy adopted father of the Cheerleader right? The apparent bad guy of the series?

Yeah in the show I watched, Sylar didn't do ANYTHING. He had the black guy do it. So why would he need the black guy if he was Peter? Peter will have every power once he meets everyone. So he won't need someone to do things for him, he could do it himself. And if there is an evil Peter, he'd have every power as well.
yes, we've been watching the same show, but it seems some stuff has gone over your head

for starters, Mr Bennett is NOT Sylar

[Lando7763]

WTF are you guys talking about? Are we watching the same show? Sylar is the creepy adopted father of the Cheerleader right? The apparent bad guy of the series?

Yeah in the show I watched, Sylar didn't do ANYTHING. He had the black guy do it.

Than you must have missed the ep where Matt finds the little girl, goes back to interrogation, and encounters Sylar, who is apprently impervious to bullets, can freeze people as shown at the crime scene, and maybe has the ability to fly or teleport.

"Creepy adopted father" is Mr. Bennett, and if you go back and watch the preview from the marathon, he's seen trying to get the other Heroes (at least Isaac) to help him with something. Besides, if Sylar was Mr. Bennett, (Claire lives with him, right?) it wouldn't take him long to collect her brain, if that's what he wants, and this would be a very short show. He knows she has powers, considering he watched the tape she made, and didn't immediately snap, or kidnap her, like Matt, and Nathan.

[burning-robot]

But peter is a nice guy, he cared for all those old people. He is an empathic-mimic he feels other people emotions.

Besides, I dont think being near Niki will make him evil because I dont think "being evil" is her super-power, her power is super strength but it only manifests itself in her other personality. Its just like Issac and his drugs, "being high" isnt his power but for him its what brings it out. If Peter is near Niki he wont turn evil.

[Lando7763]

I dont think being near Niki will make him evil because I dont think "being evil" is her super-power, her power is super strength but it only manifests itself in her other personality. Its just like Issac and his drugs, "being high" isnt his power but for him its what brings it out. If Peter is near Niki he wont turn evil.


I'm glad you said that, because, I sure as hell was gonna.

Seems to be most people think that the split-personality is her power, as well, but that would be lame wouldn't it? Considering that it's an actual psychological condition. I don't know many documented cases of schizos with super-human strength.

[Lando7763]

I dont think being near Niki will make him evil because I dont think "being evil" is her super-power, her power is super strength but it only manifests itself in her other personality. Its just like Issac and his drugs, "being high" isnt his power but for him its what brings it out. If Peter is near Niki he wont turn evil.


I'm glad you said that, because, I sure as hell was gonna.

Seems to be most people think that the split-personality is her power, as well, but that would be lame wouldn't it? Considering that it's an actual psychological condition. I don't know many documented cases of schizos with super-human strength.

Plus, Niki has yet to do anything "evil." Everything her alter-ego's done, has been in the interest of Micah.

EDIT: sorry for the double-post. I'm experiencing mad lag.

[Logan Creed]

I'm glad you said that, because, I sure as hell was gonna.

Seems to be most people think that the split-personality is her power, as well, but that would be lame wouldn't it? Considering that it's an actual psychological condition. I don't know many documented cases of schizos with super-human strength.

Plus, Niki has yet to do anything "evil." Everything her alter-ego's done, has been in the interest of Micah.
Um...burying people in shallow graves in the desert is pretty evil.

I think she's like the Hulk. When she gets scared or angry, the alter ego comes out and takes care of business.

[Silverstein]

I'm not saying he is "Mr.Bennet" I'm asking who the **** you guys are talking about? I remember the guy flying away, and I remember the stuff you're talking about but I've never seen a Sylar...who the **** is Sylar, what are you guys talking about?!?!

[ragdus]

Do you not pay attention? Sylar has been mentioned by name several time now and was shown in a confrontation with cops.

[ragdus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylar

[Silverstein]

And I don't remember any marathon. I guess you guys mean online...well...I have dial up, so that isn't happening.

I suppose that Sylar is the guy that matt was shooting at? But wasn't that like the first episode? I haven't seen that guy since he flew away.

[Silverstein]

Thanks, ragdus!! See why didn't someone do that before?

[Lando7763]

Um...burying people in shallow graves in the desert is pretty evil.

I think she's like the Hulk. When she gets scared or angry, the alter ego comes out and takes care of business.

Not when burying people in the desert means, "no one finds out you're a killer, then take you to jail for the rest of her life, if not killing you outright." Yeah, good luck taking care of your son then, huh?

[PLAS]

And I don't remember any marathon. I guess you guys mean online...well...I have dial up, so that isn't happening.

I suppose that Sylar is the guy that matt was shooting at? But wasn't that like the first episode? I haven't seen that guy since he flew away.
there was a Heroes marathon on NBC last sunday, they showed episodes 2-4 (that means they showed episode 2, then episode 3, and after that, episode 4)

[Logan Creed]

Not when burying people in the desert means, "no one finds out you're a killer, then take you to jail for the rest of her life, if not killing you outright." Yeah, good luck taking care of your son then, huh?
So murdering people is ok, as long as you do it for "the right reasons?" Maybe she did it in self defense, maybe not. There's something very shady about her and her past. Also, her alter ego seems to like hurting people.

[Lando7763]

So murdering people is ok, as long as you do it for "the right reasons?" Maybe she did it in self defense, maybe not. There's something very shady about her and her past. Also, her alter ego seems to like hurting people.

Except the point I think you're missing is, no one was arguing the ethics of murder, just whether Niki's alter-ego is "evil" or not.

[Silverstein]

there was a Heroes marathon on NBC last sunday, they showed episodes 2-4 (that means they showed episode 2, then episode 3, and after that, episode 4)

Okay I watch the show every monday (that means I watch it one week, and then a week later, and then a week later for the next). So you guys have seen like every episode twice. So you act like I'm an idiot for not remembering a character from like 3 weeks ago. Oh no! Someone isn't fanboying Heroes!! Sorry that I was busy.

Anyway, for me not getting it, only ragdus answered my question...And I remember now, I just didn't remember who everyone was talking about. I don't READ about Heroes. I don't watch the reruns or marathons, I just see it WHEN IT'S ON. It's a great show, but I'm not obsessed. So you guys are talking about this character as if he's part of the main cast. Calling him by name though it was probablly only spoken like 3 times.

[Logan Creed]

Except the point I think you're missing is, no one was arguing the ethics of murder, just whether Niki's alter-ego is "evil" or not.
I thought you were saying that because her alter-ego was doing this(killing people) for Micah, she's not technically evil.

[PLAS]

Okay I watch the show every monday (that means I watch it one week, and then a week later, and then a week later for the next). So you guys have seen like every episode twice. So you act like I'm an idiot for not remembering a character from like 3 weeks ago. Oh no! Someone isn't fanboying Heroes!! Sorry that I was busy.

Anyway, for me not getting it, only ragdus answered my question...And I remember now, I just didn't remember who everyone was talking about. I don't READ about Heroes. I don't watch the reruns or marathons, I just see it WHEN IT'S ON. It's a great show, but I'm not obsessed. So you guys are talking about this character as if he's part of the main cast. Calling him by name though it was probablly only spoken like 3 times.
it's not about being a fanboy, it's about paying attention

[Lando7763]

I thought you were saying that because her alter-ego was doing this(killing people) for Micah, she's not technically evil.

That is what I'm saying, since there's speculation that Niki's alter-ego just kills for boredom, or is naturally evil, or something.

I also mention it to disarm arm the whole, "evil split-personality" is her power. Like it was mentioned earlier. She probably has super strength, add that to the fact that she's most likely got Dissociative Identity Disorder as well. Her split personality is the just the gateway for her power, and not the power itself. Like Isaac and heroin.

[Logan Creed]

it's not about being a fanboy, it's about paying attention
Seriously. Sylar has been mentioned every episode. We've only seen him once, but he's definitely a main character.

[Lando7763]

Seriously. Sylar has been mentioned every episode. We've only seen him once, but he's definitely a main character.

I'd like to add on to Logan's comment, and also mention not only is he a main character, but most likely the lead antagonist for season one.

[Logan Creed]

That is what I'm saying, since there's speculation that Niki's alter-ego just kills for boredom, or is naturally evil, or something.

I also mention it to disarm arm the whole, "evil split-personality" is her power. Like it was mentioned earlier. She probably has super strength, add that to the fact that she's most likely got Dissociative Identity Disorder as well. Her split personality is the just the gateway for her power, and not the power itself. Like Isaac and heroin.
But I think her alter ego is evil to some extent. I don't think she kills from boredom, but she has no problem with killing at all, she's just like the Hulk.

It's pretty obvious from the preview for next week that she has super strength.

[Majmun]

Could the guy who tried to kidnap the little girl at the police station be a future Peter and not Sylar? What if Sylar is someone completely different. Maybe that was Peter and he needed that girl for a special purpose, but he fled because he didn't want the cop to read his mind or something. If it was Sylar at the police station, he could've easily killed Matt or the FBI chick if he wanted to. That's why I think it wasn't Sylar.

That little girl must be someone special and maybe holds the key to solving something.

[Logan Creed]

Could the guy who tried to kidnap the little girl at the police station be a future Peter and not Sylar? What if Sylar is someone completely different. Maybe that was Peter and he needed that girl for a special purpose, but he fled because he didn't want the cop to read his mind or something. If it was Sylar at the police station, he could've easily killed Matt or the FBI chick if he wanted to. That's why I think it wasn't Sylar.

I've always wondered if that guy wasn't Sylar. I never thought about that guy being Peter though. Unless Peter's powers have changed, and he absorbs them permanently now, that couldn't have been Peter, or the only power he could have borrowed would have been the cop's.

[Majmun]

I've always wondered if that guy wasn't Sylar. I never thought about that guy being Peter though. Unless Peter's powers have changed, and he absorbs them permanently now, that couldn't have been Peter, or the only power he could have borrowed would have been the cop's.
True, unless in the future he learns how to use his power more efficiently......and if you think about it, he could've easily killed that little girl if he was evil, as well as the others that were chasing him.

[Logan Creed]

True, unless in the future he learns how to use his power more efficiently......and if you think about it, he could've easily killed that little girl if he was evil, as well as the others that were chasing him.
Well, he was going to(at least it looked like he was going to)kill that FBI agent by making her shoot herself, until the cop intervened and broke his concentration.

[ragdus]

That is what I'm saying, since there's speculation that Niki's alter-ego just kills for boredom, or is naturally evil, or something.

I also mention it to disarm arm the whole, "evil split-personality" is her power. Like it was mentioned earlier. She probably has super strength, add that to the fact that she's most likely got Dissociative Identity Disorder as well. Her split personality is the just the gateway for her power, and not the power itself. Like Isaac and heroin.


This may be splitting hairs, but I don't think the alter-ego is the gateway her powers, rather just the part of her that knows she HAS powers and/or is willing to use them.

[Majmun]

Well, he was going to(at least it looked like he was going to)kill that FBI agent by making her shoot herself, until the cop intervened and broke his concentration.I don't know....did you see how long he let her stand like that? It seems like if he wanted her dead he would've just made her pull the trigger instead of letting her stay like that for a while. I could be reading too much into it.....

[burning-robot]

I'm not saying Dark-Niki isnt evil, just that being evil is not a power that Peter can absorb, just like Peter didnt absorb being addicted to drugs. So Peter + Dark-Niki
=/= Dark-Peter. So Peter couldnt have become Sylar by being next to Dark-Niki.

[fangrl06]

I'm not saying Dark-Niki isnt evil, just that being evil is not a power that Peter can absorb, just like Peter didnt absorb being addicted to drugs. So Peter + Dark-Niki
=/= Dark-Peter. So Peter couldnt have become Sylar by being next to Dark-Niki.
Yea, but drug addiction is not part of Isaac's powers. Having your dark side surface is part of Nikki's powers.

[burning-robot]

Yea, but drug addiction is not part of Isaac's powers. Having your dark side surface is part of Nikki's powers.

Yeah, but what I'm thinking is maybe her power isnt related to the darkside, maybe Good-Niki has super powers too but doesnt know how to use them. Just a thought.

Maybe when Peter meets Niki he can show her that Dark-Niki isnt the source of her power just like he did with Issac and his drugs.

[fangrl06]

Yeah, but what I'm thinking is maybe her power isnt related to the darkside, maybe Good-Niki has super powers too but doesnt know how to use them. Just a thought.

Maybe when Peter meets Niki he can show her that Dark-Niki isnt the source of her power just like he did with Issac and his drugs.
Interesting thoughts. I still think her powers are related to her "dark side" though.

[xwolverine2]

Interesting thoughts. I still think her powers are related to her "dark side" though.
her inner HULK:hulk: :hulk:

[KALEL114]

I don't know....did you see how long he let her stand like that? It seems like if he wanted her dead he would've just made her pull the trigger instead of letting her stay like that for a while. I could be reading too much into it.....
He didn't kill her, but he did kill the agent watching over the little girl. It's not Peter. It was Sylar. IMO.

[Abaddon]

Maybe Sylar is the dark side of Peter via Nikki's power, combined with everyone elses.:huh:

[ragdus]

That's been suggested several times and personally I think it seems unlikely. Nikki's evil isn't a power.

[Abaddon]

we don't know for sure yet.:o

[ragdus]

which is probably why I said "personally I think it seems unlikely"

[Abaddon]

Then you started a new sentence.:huh:

[ragdus]

And I made it quite clear I was stating what I thought, no?

To say otherwise would mean I have access to the plot and/or script, in which case I'd unequivocally TELL you whether Peter and Sylar were one.

[Abaddon]

I interpreted it as:
"I think it unlikely Peter is Sylar because Nikki's evil is not a power"

:yay:

[cerealkiller182]

I said before that i think Peter is Sylar. And now, I dont think he is doing it because he is evil, but because the people with powers might be responsible for the explosion so if he goes back and kills them all then the explosion will never happen.

[ragdus]

I don't think Peter is Sylar because of what Future Hiro tells him. He's got to save the cheerleader... be who we need you to be... etc.

IMO, Claire isn't the one who can stop Sylar... Peter is. But Peter needs to leach her power, as well as the powers of the others, to do so. So I'm speculating the reason everyone thinks he can be Sylar is the very thing that makes him the only one who can stop Sylar.

[cerealkiller182]

but couldnt you say that Peter would be the only one who could stop himself and if in evil self (who might not be evil but doing what he thinks has to be done) from the future showed up that Hiro would seek out the benevolent younger self.

[ragdus]

Sure. I don't discount it. I just think it's a little too easy a conclusion at this point. We've got 17 more episodes to go...

[Kaboom]

i think the girl with mohinder is sylar.

[GL1]

Heh. Interesting.

Notes:

Sylar may not retain powers permanently. Peter was able to draw the future after he left Isaac's. Likewise, Sylar may expose himself to the brains in question before going into action.

Nikki's power is arguable, however, in the show, powers come from using a greater percentage of your mind. Nikki's Dark side not only thinks independently, but communicates with normal Nikki and is aware of Normal Nikki's actions. (My favorite theory is that Dark Nikki is the real one and normal Nikki is the construct). This is not normal schizoidness. This particular incarnation of dual-personality is enabled and empowered by her specialness, regardless of if that specialness gives her pure superstrength, or controlled adrenaline rushes. If Nikki has Multiple Personality Disorder, as we know it, then that disorder is as evolved as she is -- based on what we've seen.

Killing people is wrong, especially so when other options are available. Dark Nikki may act out of interest in Micah, but she may also be selfesh and simply wish to protect Light Nikki, even psychoogically, out of self-preservation.

I'll be upset if Sylar is a future peter.

Sylar-Peter would have to be from further in the future than Katana-Hiro and may not know about Peter's Darkside. Peter may not have a darkside when Katana-Hiro knows him.

The jury is still out, remember...

[terarist]

Sylar-Peter would have to be from further in the future than Katana-Hiro and may not know about Peter's Darkside. Peter may not have a darkside when Katana-Hiro knows him.

The jury is still out, remember...

It's certainly a possibility that Sylar is Peter. It's just highly unlikely. Not because it's not possible within the parameters of the show, but because it's been done, to death, by other shows/movies/comics/books etc. If they go that route, it could have been interesting 10 years ago, but to do it now is simply tired. Certainly, I do think they should explore the corruption Peter's power could inflict upon him, especially on someone with such noble intentions. But making him the big bad? It's too predictable, too pat.

Besides, Peter is the "everyman". He's the archetype, the greek chorus, he's "us", the viewers. You indict him, you indict all of us. Even his power has that "everyman" quality, since he actually has no power of his own, just the power of those around him.

Anyhoo, it's a nice idea, but in my opinion not a very practical one.

But what do I know?

[GL1]

Hmmm... I have to admit, I do hope it's something else, it just seems the most off the wall plausibility at the moment, so it's interesting to discuss.

So what are our alternatives then? Some new unknown?

[Hudson]

could be Sean Bean.

[Sub-Zero]

i hope not. but he might fit with this psuedo x-men team as their magneto. i really hope that sylar is a magneto type villain and will recur after his battle with the heroes.

[Prodigy]

Heh. Interesting.

Notes:

Sylar may not retain powers permanently. Peter was able to draw the future after he left Isaac's. Likewise, Sylar may expose himself to the brains in question before going into action.

Nikki's power is arguable, however, in the show, powers come from using a greater percentage of your mind. Nikki's Dark side not only thinks independently, but communicates with normal Nikki and is aware of Normal Nikki's actions. (My favorite theory is that Dark Nikki is the real one and normal Nikki is the construct). This is not normal schizoidness. This particular incarnation of dual-personality is enabled and empowered by her specialness, regardless of if that specialness gives her pure superstrength, or controlled adrenaline rushes. If Nikki has Multiple Personality Disorder, as we know it, then that disorder is as evolved as she is -- based on what we've seen.

Killing people is wrong, especially so when other options are available. Dark Nikki may act out of interest in Micah, but she may also be selfesh and simply wish to protect Light Nikki, even psychoogically, out of self-preservation.

I'll be upset if Sylar is a future peter.

Sylar-Peter would have to be from further in the future than Katana-Hiro and may not know about Peter's Darkside. Peter may not have a darkside when Katana-Hiro knows him.

The jury is still out, remember...

Peter could only draw stick figures after going to Isaac's... so it doesn't last long.

That seems way too complicated considering there is basically not the slightest bit of evidence that Peter is Sylar. Hiro came back in time to give him a message to save the cheerleader, save the world. Achems Razor, man, the simplest solution is usually the right one.

[burning-robot]

In order for Sylar-Peter to come from the future to our present wouldnt he need to kill Future-Hiro to get the time bending power? But future-hiro is alive as we saw. And wouldnt future-hiro just wanna kill peter to prevent sylar-peter from ever existing?
Who I hope sylar is either A) someone we havent even thought of, or B) just some guy named paul sylar played by Sean Bean.

[StorminNorman]

Ever single "Hero _______" is Sylar is complete BS and a bit ridiculous. If you dont remember in one of the early episodes Mo hears Sylar and his father talking about them workin on his powers, blah blah blah.

Sylar is clearly someone we have not seen before - outside of that one shady scene.

[AirKnight82]

Ever single "Hero _______" is Sylar is complete BS and a bit ridiculous. If you dont remember in one of the early episodes Mo hears Sylar and his father talking about them workin on his powers, blah blah blah.

Sylar is clearly someone we have not seen before - outside of that one shady scene.

thank you for pointing that one out, I mean I just read all your guys BS and wow, jumpin to far ahead.

Heres what I think so far from episodes/previews!

Dark nikki!!! I think she has a mirror clone/ split personality that will eventually turn her into a multliple woman! Her husband may also have a power, as the last episode said that he got out of his cuffs easily, and the son said something about his dads power in a preview (expandable elastic guy? maybe) and he is being set up. And even the kid seems to may have a power (like forge?).

Plus in a preview there was a bunch more people with powers we didn't meet yet. (boiling water guy!)

So just wait like 4 more epis b4 we jump too far ahead to the big bang in NY.:ninja:

[NoirMan82]

I think once Peter masters his powers he'll become a Superman-like character. With Nathan's flight, Claire's invulnerability, Nikki's strength and the like. That could be pretty badass.

[Hiro]

I don't buy the Peter as Sylar spec.

Peter is one of the hardcore good guys in the series. I think he'll be the 'no good deed goes unpunished' character ala Peter Parker. He'll help Isaac get off the juice and be rewarded when Simone goes running back to the now clean Isaac.

[AirKnight82]

Thats what I was thinking... Hey has anyone else noticed that when his head turns and you see one side of his face it looks like when he is talking he is eating his hair...IDK I think it is just me.

I think he may become the team leader eventually as he gets stronger in controlling his powers. Hopefully he will be just like mimic (marvel), and be able to use everyones powers at once when the group is together! As Noirman said!

[Mal'Akai]

Peter is a Mimic-like character. He has the same powers as those arround him. When he was near his brother, he flew. When he was with the artist, he painted the future. I also agree that he will become their leader.

[Mal'Akai]

I was right.

[AirKnight82]

I was right.

About what?

[Mal'Akai]

About what?
This.
Peter is a Mimic-like character. He has the same powers as those arround him. When he was near his brother, he flew. When he was with the artist, he painted the future. I also agree that he will become their leader.

[AirKnight82]

oh okay...I thought it was something else. I was kind of mad they didn't show him the other night except in the first few minutes talking to hiro! I think Claires dad is actually a good guy, but his actions are kind of wacked!

[DarkKnightette1]

I hope not...Peter is my favorite!

Nope.
Peter is a good guy.

Besiders Sylar exists NOW, not in the future...eating peoples brains, freezing them, using super strength and has mental abilities.

He likely gains the powers from the brains he eats. Peter hasn't had time for any brain eating. :P

[PowersOfMind]

So Peter is Rogue except he can just get someone's power by proximity and doesnt really have to touch them.
I really like his character, but the fact that he so intent in bringing all of them together make him a prime target for Sylar.

[Ice-man]

Well heres the thing, I wrote a mini theory on page 3 of episode 9 discussion, and another time way back in the second or third episode discussion. so if you saw them already, forget it. :)

well my theory is, Once peter is around a hero he can drain/mimic their power, He does not need to be around them all the time in order to use their power, he has the ability to use their power at any given point but he doesn't know this yet, and probably wont realize this for a wile.

proof, Episode one. after having some dream, he flew or hovered over his bed. how can he do this as he is no ware near his brother Nathan at the time. they are in two different areas.

also, after being near isaac for a minuet or two, later that night when peter was in the hospital he drew a picture of himself flying. once again he does not need to be near the hero in order to use the power.

last example. the high school, when Claire ran away to find her father, about 5 minuets later the cops came and he bent his foot back in place. as Claire was long gone he continued to heal.


either he can use their powers for long periods of time, or he can permanently mimic any power of his choosing.


you decide.

[Morg]

Sorry sonny, but this doesn't need it's own thread

[Ice-man]

oo sorry , i didnt know there was a thread about him already.