Official UFC Thread

[Warhammer]

I couldn't find the Ultimate fighter thread, so I will make an official UFC thread for everything UFC and such.

Is anyone gonna watch Shamrock/Ortiz 3 tonight?

:cool:

[enterthemadness]

Yes, I'm kinda listening to it right now. Shamrock will beat Ortiz.

[The FallenAngel]

Ortiz will destroy Shamrock yet again. :o

[superduperhero]

Damn what time does it come on again?

[The FallenAngel]

Damn, same **** again. :o

[ToddIsDead]

Well fight's over. Tito won again. Stopped by the ref, but it was a much better stoppage than last time. Tito was absolutely pummeling Ken in those last few seconds.

[Warhammer]

Wow, if I were Ken, I'd just quit UFC now. :o
Tito won all 3 times, and I was actually rooting for the underdog. :csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, he did quit.

[Mister J]

Shammy needs to give it up.

[Cubs Fan]

I really hope that Matt Hamill starts to show more improvement in his next fight. It seems like he has gotten some what better since his fight againist Jesse Forbes. Its really hard to not root for him.

[Mister J]

Shammy is undoubtedly one of the best and I loved watching him fight. I wanted him to hang it up before he got hurt. It's good he and Tito were able to come to some kind of closure.

[Sabretooth]

I thought it was funny how Tito went from flipping him off,to saying sorry and congratulating Ken within 3 minutes.:o

[Mister J]

*sigh*

It was symbolic. Ortiz beat Shamrock, then he did the gravedigger routine (thus burying him), flipped him off (signaling an end to the old Ken) and then embraced him as a new man. Have you no appreciation for imagery? :dry:

[Donnie Darko]

Well fight's over. Tito won again. Stopped by the ref, but it was a much better stoppage than last time. Tito was absolutely pummeling Ken in those last few seconds.

yeah, definitely no controversy this time... especially considering it took him a minute to come to and get off the ground

[Poetic Chaos]

This style of fighting is just not entertaining at all. Mounting and pummeling is lame.

[Warhammer]

Nah Uh. :o

[Sabretooth]

*sigh*

It was symbolic. Ortiz beat Shamrock, then he did the gravedigger routine (thus burying him), flipped him off (signaling an end to the old Ken) and then embraced him as a new man. Have you no appreciation for imagery? :dry:
Abyss should've destroyed Tito,giving Ken the win. That would've been perfect imagery! :cmad:

[C-$]

Did anybody here one of the commentators say that Jenna Jameison was Tito's girlfriend? I swear I thought I heard him say that.

[ToddIsDead]

Did anybody here one of the commentators say that Jenna Jameison was Tito's girlfriend? I swear I thought I heard him say that.
Yeah. Supported by the fact that she was in the audience, cheering for Tito.

[Donnie Darko]

haha, I watched this last night with my dad, and when they said that about Jenna, he was like "could you imagine her being your girlfriend?... I mean, I could definitely imagine it, but I mean the part about her doing all those other guys?"

[ToddIsDead]

I'm pretty sure she only does lesbian porn now, but even so, she's still the biggest porn star ever.

[C-$]

I thought Jenna was married.

[DBella]

Ortiz v. Shamrock 3 was over before it even began. Thank goodness it was FREE coz I sure as heck won't pay to see Shamrock get beaten again.

Anyway, glad to see Ken retired like he did. I was starting to dislike him for his attitude but he went like a man... like the man I used to respect and admire greatly as a fighter. Way to go Ken Shamrock! :up:

Can't wait for the next TUF4 bout between Matt and Chone. I would like to see Sera win this one (even though I find his constant talking to be annoying).

Also looking forward to the Hughes v. GSP bout that didn't happen and Ortiz v. Liddell in December.

Anyone here intending on watching UFC64?

[The FallenAngel]

I probably won't order another UFC PPV until December. I've been dying to see Ortiz vs. Liddell II, so I'll get that. My interest is definitely peaked by the Franklin/Silva fight. Especially after Silva's performance against Leben.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I'm getting UFC 64 tonight, and I have no doubts that Franklin is going to dish out an ass beating to Silva the likes of which he's never seen. It's been 6 months since he's fought and I know he's been itching to get in the octagon and defend his title. Silva is good, but Rich is just WAY smarter.

[The FallenAngel]

UFC 64 Results for the two title bouts only:

Round 1

Sean Sherk quickly got a takedown on Kenny Florian. Sherk is completely controlling Florian on the mat, but there is very little action going on. Florian applied the guillotine, but Sherk quickly got out. Sherk threw some shots to end the round.

Opinion: Very little action in this round. Sherk had complete control on the ground and easily won a 10-9 round. Eddie Bravo gave the round to Sherk.

Round 2

Kenny Florian went for two kicks but got taken down by Sean Sherk. Florian landed some elbows and the referee checked the cut. Sean Sherk was cleared to continue. Kenny Florian claimed to have blood in his eye and was cleaned before both men returned to their spots. Sherk pounded away and nearly had Florian's back, but Florian got on top. Florian tried to land some shots but the fight ended up getting back to a vertical position. Sherk went for a takedown but Florian had it scouted and blocked it. Sherk held onto Florian's right leg to end the round.

Opinion: A much closer round but Sean Sherk still took it, 10-9. Eddie Bravo gave the second round to Sherk as well. Sherk is winning this fight thus far, 20-18.

Round 3

Sean Sherk got a quick takedown. Florian threw some weak shots to try and break free. Sherk threw some shots and for the third round straight, has complete control on the ground. Florian gave Sherk his back. The referee stood the fight up with 40 seconds left. Florian went for a kick to the body but barely connected. Florian went for a big punch but met several from Sherk to end round three.

Opinion: Kenny Florian had a nice rally at the end, but Sean Sherk still controlled the round, 10-9. Eddie Bravo also gave the round to Sherk, 10-9. Sean Sherk 30-27 right now.

Round 4

Sean Sherk literally chased Kenny Florian on the ground going for a takedown but Florian manged to avoid it. Sherk eventually got the takedown and forced Florian into the fence. Sherk entered Florian's guard and threw some head shots. Kenny Florian tried to spin out but Sherk maintained control of him. Sherk landed four sick elbows to Florian's face. The referee stood the fighters up at 28 seconds. Florian landed a body shot to end the round.

Opinion: A very dominant round for Sean Sherk, 10-9. As of right now, I score the fight 40 - 36. Eddie Bravo also has the fight at 40-36.

Round 5

Sean Sherk got yet another takedown and started pounding away at Florian. The referee stood the fight up. Kenny Florian went for a high kick but missed. Florian countered a Sherk takedown into a guillotine. Sherk escaped the guillotine and delivered a massive slam to Florian. Florian desperately tried to get free but couldn't at the end of the round.

Opinion: Sean Sherk won a one-sided fight. Florian did his best and managed to go the distance but was clearly not in Sherk's league. Sherk won this fight in my opinion 50-45. Eddie Bravo also scored the fight 50-45.

Decision: (49, 46) (49, 46) (50, 48) Sean Sherk wins via unanimous decision. Sean Sherk wins the UFC Lightweight Championship.

Round 1

Both men were very cautious going in for a strike. Silva got a Muay Thai clinch but Franklin caught him with some strikes to the head. Silva went for the clinch again but could not land any knees. Silva forced Franklin to the cage and started throwing several knees to his body and jaw. Anderson Silva dropped Franklin with two knees to win the fight.

Anderson Silva wins the UFC Middleweight Championship in the first round at 2:59. :eek:

[Sabretooth]

WTF?! :cmad: :csad:

[The FallenAngel]

I know. :csad:

[Sabretooth]

No you don't. 100 bucks right down the drain.....:csad:

[The FallenAngel]

Oh, that type of thing...

HAHAHAHAAHA! :cmad:

[Sabretooth]

Jeez,why don't you kick me while I'm down? :whatever:

[The FallenAngel]

Maybe I will...:o :cmad:

[Eric Draven]

Man, that Sherk-Florian match was bloody as hell. It seemed like they were just staying in one corner and that corner was just soaked in blood.


I was really surprised at the outcome of the Silva-Franklin match. And so was everyone else I was watching it with. Franklin's nose looked so disgusting after the match :csad:

[Enzyme]

So...

Prime Shamrock Vs Prime Ortiz

?

[Sabretooth]

It'd be a much better fight than any of their past 3. Ortiz would still beat his ass though.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think Shamrock in his prime would've kicked Ortiz's ass all over the octagon. As for the title match last night that was the biggest upset in recent memory, I was literally in shock after the fight.

[brainchild81]

I like Rich, but I was glad to see the title change hands

[DBella]

I didn't watch UFC64 but was flabbergasted by the result of the Franklin/Silva bout. But then again I haven't watched that many of Silva's fights to know his potential.

With regards to the question on Prime Shamrock v. Prime Ortiz, I think Prime Shamrock will win the fight.

[brainchild81]

I wonder if Chris Lieben feels better 'bout what happened to him now.

[Donnie Darko]

I really hope that as an undercard bout at the Dec ppv, they add Forrest Griffin vs Rashad Evans, and give the winner of that fight the next shot at the light heavyweight title. Griffin gave Ortiz a great fight, so I would love to see a rematch between those two. Or see him fight Liddell, especially since he's the one person who can probably take a lot of Chuck's punches and be able to laugh about it later.

[Cubs Fan]

I honestly dont know why every one is shocked that Silva won. I'm not gonna say that I picked Silva to win because I didnt. I thought it could go either way, but I wasnt shocked at all to see that he won. I didnt watch the fight so I dont know what exactly happened, but I'm sure that Silva's speed had something to do with it.

[Donnie Darko]

I watched the fight online earlier today... I gotta say, it was ugly, like Franklin had no offense (or defense, for that matter) the whole fight

They really need to get some more good fighters in this weight class. It's really weak after the top couple fighters. I mean, it's not as bad as the heavyweights, but it's weak.

[DBella]

What is Silva's record? As mentioned before, I've not watched too many of his fights, hence the surprise that he beat Franklin.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I honestly think the only reason Franklin lost is because he just wasn't ready. He's been off for nearly 7 months and his return match is against someone like Anderson Silva? Going into this match I was a bit sketchy because as good as Franklin is, he's still human and needs time to get back on his A game.

Once Anderson got him in the clinch you could tell Franklin knew it was over. It's sad to see someone as great as Franklin get dominated like that, but look what an ass beating did for Hughes and Liddell. They both lost, got back to training, came back more dominant than ever before.

Franklin's going to take some time off (he needs to heal that broken nose) get back to training and then work his way back up the ladder. I would love to see him go up against Swick, Leben and Kendall, all leading up to his rematch with Silva where he completely beats his ass.

Silva wouldn't have won if it was a 100% totally focused Franklin.

[brainchild81]

You may be underestimating Silva.

[DBella]

It just shows not everyone is invincible, even the champ and that's a good thing.

[Donnie Darko]

I'm actually really happy Franklin lost. For a little while there, I was scared that the UFC champs were almost too invincible (compared to the UFC competition, sure there are lots of guys in Pride that could come over and challenge for the titles), especially Franklin and Hughes. I love Matt Hughes, but part of me kinda wants St Pierre to beat him, just so he's not completely dominant. The same goes with Liddell and Ortiz in December. The biggest problem in UFC, imo, is the heavyweight division. They HAVE to get some more guys in that division soon.

Also, is Brandon Vera gonna concentrate on heavyweight or get down to light heavyweight and challenge for that belt?

[Donnie Darko]

haha, hell yeah... I just checked ufc.com, and Vera-Mir for UFC 65, with winner most likely getting the next shot at the belt. I wonder who Arlovski is gonna have to beat before he gets another shot.

[Cubs Fan]

You may be underestimating Silva.

Thats what I think too. I guess I've only see him fight twice, but both times he dominated. And once was against Rich Franklin.

[Qoèlet]

Silva beating Franklin... definately not the biggest upset in recent memory. Hell, not even the biggest upset in the past two months (7-1 underdog Joe Lauzon's 48 second KO of former UFC lightweight Champ Jens Pulver at Hughes vs. Penn anyone?)... That said, it was an awesome showing, but one you'd know Anderson was capable of if you followed the sport better (not trying to be critical: just saying).
Anyway, next month is going to be probably the biggest show this year. Hughes-St.Pierre finally, plus a Heavyweight title bout and hopefully a few more noteworthy bouts (Brandon Vera vs. Frank Mir is signed already: significant in such a shallow division). Carter vs. Serra on SPIKE tonight: I'm trying not to get too excited... might not be nearly as good this time around.

On a final note, congratulations to Dana White on still being a sneaky bastard and getting a showing of all of those Ultimate Knockouts this Saturday on free TV to try to distract potential viewers from PRIDE's first ever US show that same night. I figure PRIDE's efforts in the USA will flop anyway, and the card's whole "US vs. The World" angle seems to have made for a few lame matchups, but damn Dana... you are one cold sum*****.

Edit: One more thing... with Silva on top of the middleweight division (and a non-white American champion in the UFC for a change), I can think of only one hope of dethroning him quickly. Dammit Dana, pick up the phone and get Matt Lindland back!

[brainchild81]

So what happened @the PPV? I wasn't able to order this one

[The FallenAngel]

Detailed report on the PPV:

PRELIM COVERAGE:

Fight #1:
-Jake O'Brien vs. Josh Shockman

Round 1: First round was all O'Brien. He got a couple takedowns and controlled most of the action in the round - using effective ground and pound to probably win the round 10-9.

Round 2: Similar round, with O'Brien controlling where the action goes with his takedown ability. Most of the round was slow-paced, which the crowd **** on. Lots of restarts by the referee for stalling, but the action would ultimately end up in the same place all the time. 2-0 O'Brien going into the third and final round, most likely.

Round 3: Another round very similar as the previous two. O'Brien getting takedowns, not doing much with them, referee restarting them standing - and then it winds up right back where it started. Looking like a shut out, albeit a boring one, for O'Brien.

Jake O'Brien def. Josh Shockman via Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27) after 3 Rounds.

Fight #2:
-James Irvin vs. Hector Ramirez

Round 1: Round opens with Ramirez pushing the action on the feet, and Irvin trying to slow it down with leg kicks. Ramirez early on takes Irvin down and gets his back. Irvin gets out of it and on the feet misses a wild spinning back fist. The two trade, nothing big landing, and Ramirez gets a takedown to end the round.

Round 2: Irvin begins round two working the leg kicks again, and lands a superman punch. Those are always cool to see. Ramirez lands a decent punch but it's immediately followed by a bomb from Irvin that rocks Ramirez. Irvin follows up with a nice body kick and ground and pound until the referee stops the bout.

James Irvin def. Hector Ramirez via TKO (strikes) at 2:36 of Round 2.

Fight #3:
-Antoni Hardonk vs. Sherman Pendergarst

Round 1: Round begins with a quick Pendergarst takedown. Pendergarst is working furiously with ground and pound, having decent effect. After a lull in the action, the fight is restarted on the feet where Pendergarst seems winded. Eventually, Hardonk lands a great punch followed by a solid leg kick and it's all over.

Antoni Hardonk def. Sherman Pendergarst via KO (strikes) at 3:15 of Round 1.

Fight #4:
-Nick Diaz vs. Gleison Tibau

Round 1: Tibau avoided a takedown from Diaz early and got Diaz on the ground. Diaz has guard, but Tibau is staying busy on top with ground and pound. Diaz curls up and Tibau goes for his back, but Diaz reverses and gains dominate position. Tibau goes for an oma plata, and then goes for a kimura. Diaz eventually sweeps Tibau and gets on top, working ground and pound of his own. Round ends like that, so it's a close round. Tough round to score, maybe Diaz.

Round 2: Tibau pushed Diaz against the cage and tried desperately for a takedown. He didn't get it. He looked visably tired and pulled guard. Diaz eventually got the mount and finished the fight with ground and pound.

Nick Diaz def. Gleison Tibau via TKO (strikes) at 2:27 of Round 2.

LIVE PPV COVERAGE (more detailed):

Fight #5:
-Joe Stevenson vs. Dokonjonosuke Mishima

Round 1: Round opens with Stevenson trying a clinch, Mishima uses his judo skills to throw Stevenson down and gain top position. He's in Stevenson's half guard and he's now caught in a deep guillotine choke. Looked to be done and lasted seemingly forever, but Mishima got out. He gets side mount. In a scramble, Stevenson gains guard. We got a stupid patrotic U-S-A chant. Stevenson secures a guillotine again and this time had it too tight, Mishima taps.

Joe Stevenson def. Dokonjonosuke Mishima via Submission (guillotine choke) at 2:07 of Round 1.

Fight #6:
-Brandon Vera vs. Frank Mir

Round 1: Very quick and completely one-sided fight. On the feet, Mir looked to be better than usual, but honestly so did Vera. He was utilizing almost only boxing skills, hurting Mir with simple stiff-jabs, until he really caught him with a punch and almost knocked him unconscious with knees in the thai-clinch. On the ground, Vera followed in with pin-point strikes and Mir was bleeding down onto himself. Vera changed position a bit, pounded some more and Mir just covered up and layed there being hit until the referee stopped it.

Brandon Vera def. Frank Mir via TKO (strikes) at 1:09 of Round 1.

Fight #7:
-Alessio Sakara vs. Drew McFedries

Round 1: Coming up next (change in live fight order, this was supposed to be the bridge match and the "swing bout" for the PPV. If the two title fights don't go the distance, we'll get some prelims tonight.)

Round one opens with the two exchanging on the feet. Most of this round was on the feet, with early on McFedries actually doing better. As I told my friends, McFedries was out-striking him but had so much respect for Sakara's boxing ability that in the live fight itself, he didn't realize he was doing better early on. Sakara would come in blazing, and to his credit did hurt McFedries a couple of different times. Slowly during the fight you could see McFedries realizing that in the exchanges - when he actually really tried hard and commited to his offense, as opposed to being worried about what Sakara would bring to him, McFedries was really not only getting the better but he too hurt Sakara more than once. In the end, it was an uppercut that caught Sakara flush and landed so quickly that the announce team didn't see it, my friends didn't either. I yelled out as soon as it landed, they were dead silent (they pop when any big strike lands, so they missed it too) and when Sakara dropped for seemingly no reason, I knew it was the uppercut/they-and announcing team didn't. I missed the replays of the finish from typing this up, so I'm not sure if everyone ever saw what really went on.

Drew McFedries def. Alessio Sakara via TKO (strikes) at 4:07 of Round 1.

Fight #8:
-Tim Sylvia (c) vs. Jeff Monson (UFC HW Title)

Round 1: Sylvia starts out trying to establish his jab. Monson tries for a takedown early, and nearly gets it. Sylvia ultimately shucks him off. Not long after that, Monson tries again for a takedown. He's got a leg secured and continues fighting to get him down for a lengthy period of time. He scrambles around, trying to get Sylvia on the bottom in the process - but fails. We're in a lull now, with both flat on the ground, Monson holding onto a leg and Sylvia in a flat-sprawling position. "Big" John restarts them on the feet. Now on the feet, the action stays pretty slow with Sylvia only throwing the occassional jab. Monson trying to get his stand up going. Monson goes for another takedown, again - no dice. Back on the feet, Sylvia continues to avoid takedowns and lands the occassional jab, but no clear cut dominance. Just dominance in the form of one guy not allowing the other to do what he wants. Monson lands a good jab that seems to wake up a bit. He tries another takedown, Sylvia again avoids it with ease. Sylvia being overly caution, and Monson is playing the same game now after trying hard for takedowns earlier on. Monson brushes Sylvia's face with a not-so-powerful hook that doesn't fully land. Lots of circling and posing. Monson lands a decent punch later in the round. Sylvia finishes the round with a kick. Sylvia wins the round based on controlling where and how the action goes, but Monson was more aggressive - pushing forward more and more on the offense in terms of the round as a whole. Despite that, probably 10-9 Sylvia, although personally I would probably go 10-9 Monson - even if not clear-cut.

Round 2: Most of the same earlier on in the second. Sylvia trying to keep the pace slow and keep his established distance. Monson fails at a takedown. Monson's eye is swelling a bit from the jabs of Sylvia. Crowd is boo'ing and "Big" John has repeated his warning to pick up the action several times. Sylvia lands a decent shot, nothing really major and the fight resumes the same pace. Monson fails a takedown again and Sylvia gets back up with Monson going to his back taking leg kicks from a standing Sylvia until he backs up to let him back on his feet. Nothing happening for lengthy periods again, crowd again boo'ing heavily, referee again demanding more action again. Monson loads up for a home run overhand right, but only connects with Sylvia's shoulder. More of a lot of nothing. Really nothing else happens for the next minute-plus, and the horn sounds as a round of boo's from the crowd punctuates the round. From body language and facial expression, towards the end of the round it seemed that both Monson was losing hope and Sylvia was gaining more courage. Could get exciting, but really depends on Sylvia based on the first two.

Round 3: Sylvia lands a decent jab, goes for another and Monson gets his first takedown of the fight. Sylvia has full guard though. Sylvia defending and squirming well to avoid punishment, and despite the crowd popping for most of Monson's offense in the guard, nothing big is landing. This is the longest we've seen Sylvia on the ground in the UFC, and against one of his best submission-fighting opponents too. He's doing better than you'd think. Monson stands up and tries diving into a better position, but Sylvia eventually wraps him up in the guard again. Monson breathing out of the mouth, fatigue-factor could be coming into play now, even though it seems early to say so. Monson stands up, Sylvia remains high guard. The distance for Monson's punches is so great that by the time they get near the target, they don't have much effect. Monson gets side mount! Sylvia goes to scramble up but Monson locks in a guillotine, looking to be dangerous. Sylvia escapes. Monson still on top in side mount again. Sylvia working elbows from the bottom. Monson moves and Sylvia tries scrambling up again. Monson goes for a guillotine again, commits to it and because of that Sylvia gains top position, stuck in the choke but gets out. Sylvia pushes away and stands up. Fight is stopped to check a cut on Monson that was caused by an elbow from Sylvia on the ground. Monson has a bad cut and swelling, but under the eye. Fight resumes. Good jab by Sylvia. A good right and a solid knee that hurts Monson as the round closes. He drops and the horn sounds. Few more seconds, the fight was over and Sylvia would win. Didn't though, so we continue.

Round 4: We're through an entire minute, literally nothing has happened outside of two Sylvia jabs. Lots of circling and missed shots with nothing behind them. Monson shoots, Sylvia sprawls and they end up with Sylvia on top in side mount over Monson. Sylvia stays there and works small, but effective, elbows to inflict more damage. Monson turns to his stomach, is up on all fours and Sylvia is seemingly looking for a rear naked choke. After scrambling, the two end up with Monson on bottom and Sylvia on top in half guard, just barely missing the mount position. Sylvia's on top and controlling the action and position, but much like on the feet - when in control, Sylvia has a slow pace. Sylvia tries for a kimura and it looks good so far, after some moving around Sylvia gives up on the submission. Monson reverses and Sylvia looks for a triangle or armbar. He avoids and is now on top in Sylvia's full guard. One minute left in the round and it looks like Monson has lost his mouth piece. Monson stacks up and Sylvia slaps on a triangle that looks good. Sylvia goes to tighten it up and lets it go. That's two submissions Sylvia could have had if he believed in them and commited to them. Fight ends with Monson in Sylvia's guard doing nothing. Monson's eye looks worse.

Round 5: Some jabs and a failed takedown by Monson filled minute one of round five. Sound familiar? Back on the feet, Sylvia is working his jab again and Monson's eye is a complete mess. Sylvia doing a lot of feinting, seeming to try to set something big up. Both guys' mouths are open, but Monson seems the more tired of the two. My friends are enjoying this fight, personally to me it seems the majority of the rounds are dominated by Sylvia doing nothing but using his reach advantage and good jab to keep this fight slow and safe. They have moments here and there that keep you into it though. Standing the ref stops them and says "this is a fight, you guys got to fight." It's that slow-paced. Monson tries another takedown, not even close. Sylvia on the feet with Monson on his back taking leg kicks. Crowd is relentless is boo'ing the action. It's a footsie battle standing and grounded, with the referee coming to the rescue and restarting the fight on the feet. One minute left, the two are circling and posing some more. Monson shoots again, fails again. Same position. Ali-Inoki "buttscoot" position. Still there, 20 seconds to go Sylvia lets him back up to his feet. Sylvia half-ass being busy for the last few seconds. Each land a decent shot to the other as the horn sounds. Sylvia wins by 4 or 5 points in a non-impressive fight. Not just because it wasn't exciting, which Sylvia is now in desperate need of an exciting fight, but Sylvia didn't really do anything but avoid losing as opposed to trying to win. Monson couldn't take him down, outside one time, and couldn't deal with him standing. I have it 4-1 Sylvia.

Tim Sylvia def. Jeff Monson via Unanimous Decision (50-45, 49-46, 49-46) to retain the UFC Heavyweight title after 5 Rounds.

Fight #9:
-Matt Hughes (c) vs. Georges St. Pierre (UFC WW Title)

Round 1: I'm too into this fight, I'll follow up with specifics as soon as it ends. Round one - ALL GSP. He hurt Hughes several times, almost finishing him as the horn sounded. Definitely 10-9, could even be argued 10-8. Hughes did pretty much nothing. 2 low blows from GSP, but they were leg kicks where the shin hit the thigh, but the foot hit the no-no zone.

Round 2: Round went the same, until it ended. GSP was destroying Hughes the whole round again, landed a huge high-kick, in a similar position as Chuck Liddell-Renato Sobral. Hughes was rocked and slumped to his back. GSP followed in with many clean punches. The referee let it go despite Hughes clearly being done already. GSP threw a few more punches and a couple of totally vicious elbows. Referee had no choice. New Welterweight champion, and he completely dominated the most established and respected champion in his weight class. At the same time, he avenged his only loss in his pro MMA career.

Georges St. Pierre def. Matt Hughes via KO (strikes) to capture the UFC Welterweight title at 1:25 of Round 2.

[Sabretooth]

The Sylvia/Monson fight sounds awesome. :wow: :up:

[The FallenAngel]

You'd think so. :whatever:

[Sabretooth]

Ok you got me. I'm only interested in the first minute of round 1. :csad:

[The FallenAngel]

I really wish someone would hurry up and beat Sylvia. :csad:

My boy Arlovski should come back in and kill him for good. :cmad:

[Sabretooth]

Who's next in line?

[The FallenAngel]

I don't know. There may have to be a fight to decide.

[The FallenAngel]

Here are the current fights for UFC 66: LIDDELL VS. ORTIZ:

Chuck Liddell (c) Vs. Tito Ortiz

Keith Jardine Vs. Forrest Griffin

Andrei Arlovski (:cmad: :up:) Vs. Marcio Cruz

Jason MacDonald Vs. Chris Leben

[Eric Draven]

I definitely have to watch UFC 66. Liddell vs Ortiz and Edmonton boy Jason MacDonald (hell yeah! :cmad: ) vs Leben. :up:


Oh yeah, and GSP winning the Welterweight title. Hell yeah again! :cmad:

[DBella]

The Sylvia/Monson fight sounds awesome. :wow: :up:
If Monson hadn't taken him down, the fight would've been boring as heck. Sylvia had the advantage and should've been more aggressive and fight like a champ wanting to keep his belt but he kept waiting for his challenger do to something. He deserved to keep his title though and I was suprised to see him fight well on the ground.

[DBella]

Oh yeah, and GSP winning the Welterweight title. Hell yeah again! :cmad:
Best fight of the night. GSP was totally dominating from the beginning. He was the much better fighter and now I want to see him kick Serra's behind. :up: GSP vs. Diego Sanchez would be an awesome matchup.

[The FallenAngel]

GSP vs. Diego Sanchez would be an awesome matchup.That needs to happen. Diego is undefeated, so I wonder when he'll get a title shot? I know his next fight is Dec. 13th, against Joe Riggs, which will be on the Ultimate Fight Night. That should be good. I'm thinking if Diego wins, he should get a shot.

[DBella]

That needs to happen. Diego is undefeated, so I wonder when he'll get a title shot? I know his next fight is Dec. 13th, against Joe Riggs, which will be on the Ultimate Fight Night. That should be good. I'm thinking if Diego wins, he should get a shot.
I am surprised that Serra will get the shot at the title before Sanchez. But Sanchez vs. Riggs will be a good one too. Did you watch UFC65? Joe Stevenson is looking good as well. :up:

[The FallenAngel]

I am surprised that Serra will get the shot at the title before Sanchez. But Sanchez vs. Riggs will be a good one too. Did you watch UFC65? Joe Stevenson is looking good as well. :up:I guess they want to give Serra the shot since he was basically the main guy of the show, and they want to try and draw more people to buy the PPV.

I didn't order it, but I saw a few of the fights via the internets. :o

I didn't see the Stevenson fight, but I heard he did good. Vera looked pretty good as well. And someone really, really needs to man up and murderlize Sylvia, so we don't have to sit through his fights anymore. :cmad:

[DBella]

I guess they want to give Serra the shot since he was basically the main guy of the show, and they want to try and draw more people to buy the PPV.
He's the main guy of the show coz the talked too much. :o His win wasn't even convincing to me. If they had gone to the 4th round and he won, then yeah... I say he deserved the win but for now, I am not impressed with him at all.


I didn't see the Stevenson fight, but I heard he did good. Vera looked pretty good as well. And someone really, really needs to man up and murderlize Sylvia, so we don't have to sit through his fights anymore. :cmad:
Stevenson did very well in the lower weight class. He's definitely one of my favorite fighters. Vera did well too. Another fighter I want to see in the PPV line-up will be Chris Leben.

I hope Sylvia loses his next fight. He should be in a dance-off instead of a UFC fight. :down:

[The FallenAngel]

He's the main guy of the show coz the talked too much. :o His win wasn't even convincing to me. If they had gone to the 4th round and he won, then yeah... I say he deserved the win but for now, I am not impressed with him at all.


Stevenson did very well in the lower weight class. He's definitely one of my favorite fighters. Vera did well too. Another fighter I want to see in the PPV line-up will be Chris Leben.

I hope Sylvia loses his next fight. He should be in a dance-off instead of a UFC fight. :down:Yeah, Serra does absolutely nothing for me. I don't see anything in him that would even make me think that he could beat GSP. Especially not after GSP's performance last night.

Oh yeah, I forgot that Stevenson dropped down. I can see him being a monster in that weight class. Leben has it tough IMO, facing MacDonald at UFC 66. And speaking of that PPV, the card looks majorly stacked right now. :up:

I hope so too. I'm also hoping Arlovski works his way back up to a title shot and beats him, but at this point I'll take anybody.

[brainchild81]

Don't forget to watch Spike this Wednesday

[Warhammer]

I'm glad that this thread got bumped.

[Warhammer]

I hope that Liddell eats Ortiz alive tomorrow night. :up:

[DBella]

Who do you think will win the fight? I like them both as a fighter but... I'm going to go with Ortiz on this one. Although I wouldn't be surprised or upset if Liddell beat him again. I just hope it'll be one awesome bout unlike the Sanchez vs. Riggs fight. That ended too quick and Riggs didn't do much.

Btw, looks like Sanchez might be fighting Hughes next. :up:

[The FallenAngel]

I honestly think Liddell will win. Not just because I like him more, but let me explain. Ortiz is really only good, IMO, when he can get his opponent on the ground. His stand up isn't that great. He seems to slack off very much in that area. Liddell's stand up is, obviously, excellent. Plus, the only person to have ever been able to take him down and keep him there, to my knowledge, was Couture. And Ortiz isn't as good as Couture in doing that. I can see the fight going two or three rounds, maybe, but I think Liddell will win via KO.

Sanchez/Hughes would be amazing. :up:

[Sabretooth]

Well,since FA feels that way I have no choice but to root for MY BOY ORTIZ! :cmad:

[The FallenAngel]

Ortiz hates you. :o

[Sabretooth]

We shared cells in prison. He respects me. :o

[The FallenAngel]

I don't wanna know...anything. :csad:

[Sabretooth]

Let's just say,Ortiz will more than likely beat Lidell's ass. :up:









Wait,not like that! :cmad:

[The FallenAngel]

Somebody kill me now. :csad:

[Eric Draven]

Go Jason MacDonald! :cmad:

[The FallenAngel]

Canadian's can't fight. :whatever:

[DBella]

^You're dead wrong and GSP will kick your ass for that.
But then again, he could be the only exception.

[Eric Draven]

MacDonald is totally gonna kick ass tomorrow :cmad:

[The FallenAngel]

And then lose. :o

[Sabretooth]

Oh Snap! :eek:

[Eric Draven]

You shut up. You shut up and die :cmad:

[The FallenAngel]

You caught feelings...hahahahaha.

[DBella]

MacDonald will go against Leben, I believe, so I gotta root for my Seattle boy. :up:

Man, I am so excited for tomorrow's fights!

[Warhammer]

*Awaits tonight*

Maybe Hooters is showing it for free. :up:

[Sabretooth]

*Awaits tonight*

Maybe Hooters is showing it for free. :up:
You might even be seated by a beautiful waitress,who you should propose to.:cwink:

[Eric Draven]

I can't believe how UFC is getting crazy big here. But that could be because MacDonald is fighting and a lot of first-timers want to see the local boy fight :o

[Sabretooth]

In general it's amazing how it's grown. It's come a long way from what it used to be.... **** was ****ing barbaric at one time.

[Eric Draven]

Yep. They used to pride themselves that they were considered "Real fighting". But that got them banned from a lot of places. They've cleaned themselves up a lot though. Instituted a lot of new rules. I remember watching the old UFCs and it was all tournament style.


Seeing how much UFC has changed and seeing it grow kind of gives me hope for the WWE version of ECW actually.....:o

[DBella]

The UFC was banned for quite some time until they make some changes to make the sport "safer". Before they used to fight with bare knuckles but now they've to use gloves.

Boxing used to be a bigger sport and I still am a fan of Boxing but... it's not like it used to be. There aren't that many great fighters in Boxing anymore. It seems like there's a new champion every month and the truly great fighters are so few. It's just not as much fun watching Boxing anymore. I still enjoy watching the sport on ESPNClassics though. :up:

[DBella]

Yep. They used to pride themselves that they were considered "Real fighting". But that got them banned from a lot of places. They've cleaned themselves up a lot though. Instituted a lot of new rules. I remember watching the old UFCs and it was all tournament style.


Seeing how much UFC has changed and seeing it grow kind of gives me hope for the WWE version of ECW actually.....:o
I still have tapes (yes, tapes, this was before the DVD era) of those old UFC fights and I don't mind how it was at all. It was raw and quite brutal.

[Sabretooth]

UFC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing

[DBella]

UFC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Over the last few years, definitely.
In Boxing's golden era, I'd say they are both equally great.

[Eric Draven]

I still have tapes (yes, tapes, this was before the DVD era) of those old UFC fights and I don't mind how it was at all. It was raw and quite brutal.

I hated the tournament style though. Especially if some guys fought three matches in one night to make it to the finals but got injured. They just substituted some other, fresher, guy into the finals. I'm just glad they scrapped that after a while...

[DBella]

I hated the tournament style though. Especially if some guys fought three matches in one night to make it to the finals but got injured. They just substituted some other, fresher, guy into the finals. I'm just glad they scrapped that after a while...
True. Which is why I think it's better now. But I really didn't mind the raw brutality of it.

[Sabretooth]

Whoo I'm pumped for Lidell vs Tito. :cool:

[The FallenAngel]

Ok, I don't have all the results, or details, but:

Bisping picked up a win. MacDonald beat Leben. Arlovski got a win. Jardine knocked Griffin out. From what I can tell, Chuck beat Tito in the third.

[Sabretooth]

Hope that's true

[The FallenAngel]

Here's a report on the main event, from the Wrestling Observer.

Tito Ortiz vs. Chuck Liddell is up as the main event. Nobody booed Ortiz coming out. Nobody booed Liddell either. Mario Yamasaki is referee. Wow, now they are booing the hell out of Ortiz with Liddell in the ring. The atmopshere at this moment ranks with some of the best I've ever seen. Loud Tito chant, however.

1) Whole placre chanting for Tito, then Chuck. Louder for Chuck. Trading, Tito got the better of the trade. Tito failed a takedown. Tito punched and kicked wildly, missing bad. Tito threw a punch to the shoulder. Chuck returned fire. Tito moved him back with a punch. Tito connected with low kick.. Tito with body kick. Titoi is not backing away. Throwing a lot of kicks. Chuck unloaded, Tito standing there. Tito cut over the left eye. Chuck connecting with more. Tito down. He's toast. Somehow he survived, but he's covered in blood. Mario let it go, should have been stopped. Can Tito last 25 more seconds? Left jab by Chuck rocked Tito. Tito survived the round. Place going nuts.
10-8 round for Chuck, maybe 10-7.


2) Tito tried takedown, Chuck stuffed him. Chuck with right cross. Tito threw a few punches. Chuck caught him with a jab. Both tiring. Tito missing bad with punch. Great bodykick by Tito. Tito tried takedown, no dice, Chuck made him pay with a punch. Loud Tito chant. Tito scored with a big right. Tito whiffed on a high kick. Tito connected again. Tito got his back after a takedown. Chuck is back up though. Tito with a knee. Chuck with a hard shot off the break. Place will go nuts when this round ends. Bravo gave round to Tito. Place booed like crazy. I'd give it to Chuck.

3) Tito tried takedown. Chuck stuffed him and made him pay again. Chuck with low kick. Chuck controlling the ring. Good body shot by Chuck. Another good body shot. Overhand right by Chuck. Chuck nailed Tito in the head when he went for a takedown. Ground and pound time coming. Chuck is letting him up. Tito bleeding again a few cuts over the left eye. This match has lived up to the hype. Chuck rocked him with punches. Tito knows he's in trouble now. Trading and Tito's down again. More ground and pound. Tito knew before the exchange he was done. This time it's over as Yamasaki stopped it.

I can't believe people are booing Ortiz. Said Chuck was the best fighter in the world. "I fought my A game, I couldn't get a takedown. I'm only 31, I'm in this for 5-6 years." Ortiz said he thinks he broke his foot on a kick. Talked up the troops.

[Warhammer]

Chuck put the hurting on Tito.

:up: :up:

[DBella]

Can't say the results are totally unexpected. Darn the "TUF Killer" though. :( :up:

[Eric Draven]

Go MacDonald!!!!!!!!!! :cmad:



That Griffin match was a bit ****ed up at the end. Griffin was crying, didn't want to say anything and basically just sprinted back to the dressing room....:huh:

[CrypticOne]

Chuck put the hurting on Tito.

:up: :up:

Hell yeah. I knew Liddell was going to take Ortiz out. Ortiz is too cocky and all talk. I'm glad The Iceman shut him up!

[Sabretooth]

What's wrong with personality?

[GekigangerV]

I knew Liddell was going to win, but good for Tito for getting to round 3.His matches with Shamrock were probably good mental tune up fight for Tito in preparation for this match.

But every heavy weight in the UFC is going to have to fear Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic. His first opponent will be Eddie Sanchez at UFC 67. His undefeated streak is coming to an end.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson will also be coming to UFC 67. I would like to see a rematch between him and Liddell since Liddell's last loss was against him and he would get a chance to even the score.

[The FallenAngel]

Cro Cop and Rampage to the UFC is awesome.

I wouldn't mind seeing Rampage/Liddell again either.

[CrypticOne]

Cro Cop and Rampage to the UFC is awesome.

I wouldn't mind seeing Rampage/Liddell again either.

Yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing that again too. Cro Cop is going to be knocking guys left and right. That is going to be a force, right there.

[Colossal Spoons]

Aw, I was def rootin for Tito.

[CrypticOne]

Aw, I was def rootin for Tito.

He could have won. He backed off when he hit Liddell, and I don't know why. He was just to scared. I was rooting for The Iceman anyway.

[DBella]

Go MacDonald!!!!!!!!!! :cmad:



That Griffin match was a bit ****ed up at the end. Griffin was crying, didn't want to say anything and basically just sprinted back to the dressing room....:huh:
Congrats to MacDonald for beating his second TUF guy. He's no fluke. :up:

[C-$]

How bad was forrest crying?

[CrypticOne]

How bad was forrest crying?

Pretty bad. I never thought Forrest the type to cry. I thought he would laugh it off.

[Qoèlet]

He could have won. He backed off when he hit Liddell, and I don't know why. He was just to scared. I was rooting for The Iceman anyway.

He didn't chase him because chasing Chuck Liddell is the same thing that's lost the fight for Chuck's opponents in the majority of his fights. He's a counter-puncher with cement in his jaw and his fists: Couture nailed him, started chasing him, got knocked out. Babalu nailed him, started chasing him, got knocked out. Vernon White connected, started chasing him, got knocked out. Overeem too, sort of. Chuck always catches guys backing up: Tito knew this so he was fighting the best fight he could... connect, then keep on moving, plenty of lateral movement, not getting too aggressive. He was making Chuck come to him, and wearing him out for the takedown.

It's the takedowns where Tito got himself into trouble: he was seriously telegraphing his shots for the same reason he was surviving so well standing: he was conservative and staying out of range. A shot needs to be set up if it's going to have any chance of working against a wrestler of Liddell's calibre (more accomplished in the sport of wrestling than Ortiz, in fact).

So Tito fought a great fight, made very few mistakes, but he got caught. It happens.

[Qoèlet]

Goddamn it... if no-one else is going to start up the Crocop bandwagon, that is, the hype for the next UFC heavyweight champion, I guess I will:
http://www.fight.hu/image_upload/more_2006_08_15_0_37_crocop.jpg

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/crocop%2Bhighlight/video/xpcel_mirko-crocop-by-xlns

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/crocop/video/xdqsy_pride-gp-2006-mirko-crocop-vs-silva

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/crocop%2Bbernardo/video/xbz67_mirko-crocop-vs-mike-bernardo

[The FallenAngel]

I really, truly, hope he just destroys Silvia. I don't want to sit through anymore of his fights.

[Qoèlet]

I really, truly, hope he just destroys Silvia. I don't want to sit through anymore of his fights.

If and when he fights Sylvia, it will be a one, maybe round affair, concluding with Tim going down on account of a solid kick to the leg, liver, or chin... whatever the hell Mirko feels like finishing him with.

[The FallenAngel]

If Crocop gets the shot, I'm sure he'd win it. Who would you like to see challenge him for it? I wouldn't mind a Crocop/Arlovski fight.

[C-$]

He didn't chase him because chasing Chuck Liddell is the same thing that's lost the fight for Chuck's opponents in the majority of his fights. He's a counter-puncher with cement in his jaw and his fists: Couture nailed him, started chasing him, got knocked out. Babalu nailed him, started chasing him, got knocked out. Vernon White connected, started chasing him, got knocked out. Overeem too, sort of. Chuck always catches guys backing up: Tito knew this so he was fighting the best fight he could... connect, then keep on moving, plenty of lateral movement, not getting too aggressive. He was making Chuck come to him, and wearing him out for the takedown.

It's the takedowns where Tito got himself into trouble: he was seriously telegraphing his shots for the same reason he was surviving so well standing: he was conservative and staying out of range. A shot needs to be set up if it's going to have any chance of working against a wrestler of Liddell's calibre (more accomplished in the sport of wrestling than Ortiz, in fact).

So Tito fought a great fight, made very few mistakes, but he got caught. It happens.

The reason Ortiz lost was because he has horrible standup, he was scared of getting caught by the "big punch", & Liddel's great ground defense.

[DBella]

Uhh... why's Sabretooth banned?

[Warhammer]

^For doing something while the Mods weren't online during New Years. Nude pics, maybe?

It sucks, I know.
Sabretooth was cool.

[Warhammer]

So guys, which season of Ultimate Fighter had the best finale fights?

I must give it to Ultimate Fighter 2.
The dude that got teased from Day 1 that ended up lasting to the finals and holding his own in the last fight, despite losing. Also, Rashad, the 5'11 guy who beat the 6'7'' guy by split decision and held his own.

I watched it last night before Afro Samurai. :up:

[Qoèlet]

The reason Ortiz lost was because he has horrible standup, he was scared of getting caught by the "big punch", & Liddel's great ground defense.

Horrible standup? He landed the better shots in round two, so I wonder what that says of Liddell's striking. In any case, yes, he was too cautious standing to set up the takedown properly, and that's a large part of why he lost. If you want to call that being "scared", go right ahead. Getting knocked out by getting overzealous, however, isn't exactly a fantastic gameplan, as Ortiz learned from Babalu's shining example.

[CrypticOne]

Goddamn it... if no-one else is going to start up the Crocop bandwagon, that is, the hype for the next UFC heavyweight champion, I guess I will:
http://www.fight.hu/image_upload/more_2006_08_15_0_37_crocop.jpg

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/crocop%2Bhighlight/video/xpcel_mirko-crocop-by-xlns

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/crocop/video/xdqsy_pride-gp-2006-mirko-crocop-vs-silva

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/crocop%2Bbernardo/video/xbz67_mirko-crocop-vs-mike-bernardo

I've been on the Cro-Cop bandwagon forever. That guys is a beast and he will dominate the Heavyweight divison, Dominate. Those kicks of his are deadly. He'll be mopping the floor with everyone.

[CrypticOne]

Edit.

[C-$]

Horrible standup? He landed the better shots in round two, so I wonder what that says of Liddell's striking. In any case, yes, he was too cautious standing to set up the takedown properly, and that's a large part of why he lost. If you want to call that being "scared", go right ahead. Getting knocked out by getting overzealous, however, isn't exactly a fantastic gameplan, as Ortiz learned from Babalu's shining example.

I didn't see round two, I only saw rd 1 & 2 on youtube. I don't think Tito should of been overzealous but you can't expect to beat Liddle by being tenative. Babalu was fighting like dumbass! That's why lost.Talk about the worst gameplan ever. Hopefully Liddel will fight Rampage Jackson for the second time. I would love to see that rematch.

[Qoèlet]

I didn't see round two, I only saw rd 1 & 2 on youtube. I don't think Tito should of been overzealous but you can't expect to beat Liddle by being tenative. Babalu was fighting like dumbass! That's why lost.Talk about the worst gameplan ever. Hopefully Liddel will fight Rampage Jackson for the second time. I would love to see that rematch.
Gotcha... sadly fights don't stay up long or I'd set you up. Tito landed the better shots in round two and actually managed to take Liddell down briefly and take his back... only lasted about 5-10 seconds, though. It's a balancing act I guess, can't be too tentative, can't be too aggressive. If he had made it out of round 3, I thought Tito would start to take over... coulda woulda shoulda, though.

And yes, that will be a damn fine rematch.

If Crocop gets the shot, I'm sure he'd win it. Who would you like to see challenge him for it? I wouldn't mind a Crocop/Arlovski fight.
Arlovski would be a neat matchup, maybe a more interesting one than a bout with Sylvia. I don't think Monson would make for an even marginally competitive fight. Vera is promising. Aside from that... well, almost no-one who's not Fedor, Nogueira, or Mark Hunt makes for an interesting or competitive fight.

[xxAPCxx]

Gotcha... sadly fights don't stay up long or I'd set you up. Tito landed the better shots in round two and actually managed to take Liddell down briefly and take his back... only lasted about 5-10 seconds, though. It's a balancing act I guess, can't be too tentative, can't be too aggressive. If he had made it out of round 3, I thought Tito would start to take over... coulda woulda shoulda, though.

And yes, that will be a damn fine rematch.


Arlovski would be a neat matchup, maybe a more interesting one than a bout with Sylvia. I don't think Monson would make for an even marginally competitive fight. Vera is promising. Aside from that... well, almost no-one who's not Fedor, Nogueira, or Mark Hunt makes for an interesting or competitive fight.
Yea Ortiz/Liddell 2 was a surprisingly good match. I would be willing to bet money though that Liddell loses his next match. He tore his ACL during the fight with Ortiz and will be out for a year. When he gets back he'll have to deal with Rashad Evans and Rampage. Rashad he can probably beat but with a bad knee itll be harder to stop Evans' takedowns and truthfully my money would be on Rampage anyway with Liddell healthy, now that when they fight he'll be 38 and coming off a bad injury, I'd say the odds are 70/30 against Liddell.

Also, it is unfortunate but nobody can stand against Cro Cop in the UFC's heavyweight division. I don't think Arlovski has the courage or the chin to take on Mirko and I think the skill gap between Sylvia and Cro Cop is to big for Sylvia to have any chance.

[C-$]

Randy Coture is coming out of retirement to fight Tim Sylvia for his heavyweight title. I hope Randy wins becuase I just can't stand Tim Sylvia!

[DBella]

Randy Coture is coming out of retirement to fight Tim Sylvia for his heavyweight title. I hope Randy wins becuase I just can't stand Tim Sylvia!
Seriously?! :eek: Is this on the UFC website? If this is true, I am all for it and like you, I too can't stand Sylvia and hope Randy will whoop his arse! Go, Couture!! :up:

[The FallenAngel]

It's true. It was on Spike last night. Rogan interviewed him. Wow...I really hope he beats Sylvia. I'm so tired of that guy.

[DBella]

It's true. It was on Spike last night. Rogan interviewed him. Wow...I really hope he beats Sylvia. I'm so tired of that guy.
What show was that? UFC Unleashed? And did they announce when the fight is scheduled for? Please let it happen soon. I share your feelings about that Sylvia dude. I wanna see Couture beat him to pulp.

[Qoèlet]

What show was that? UFC Unleashed? And did they announce when the fight is scheduled for? Please let it happen soon. I share your feelings about that Sylvia dude. I wanna see Couture beat him to pulp.
Inside the UFC, which is on Thursdays at Midnight. Couture announced he's signed a new four fight, two year contract. The rumour had been floating around MMA news sites for almost a week now, but it's official as of midnight: and yes, the news is on UFC.com. The fight is scheduled for UFC 68 in March.

http://www.ultimatefightingchampionship.com/subsite/couture_02.jpg
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=737469740

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f71/knorx/more_2005_12_12_14_23_randy_couture.jpg

[DBella]

Inside the UFC, which is on Thursdays at Midnight. Couture announced he's signed a new four fight, two year contract. The rumour had been floating around MMA news sites for almost a week now, but it's official as of midnight: and yes, the news is on UFC.com. The fight is scheduled for UFC 68 in March.

http://www.ultimatefightingchampionship.com/subsite/couture_02.jpg
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=737469740

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f71/knorx/more_2005_12_12_14_23_randy_couture.jpg
I hardly watch that show. Hardly stay up that late on Thursday nights. Darn work! But anyway, this is definitely great news and I can't wait for March. :up:

[Qoèlet]

Just thought I'd put up the full line-up for UFC Fight Night on Spike TV January 25th.

Date: 01/25/2007 8:00 PM ET/PT
Event Type: UFC Fight Night
Location: Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, FL


Rashad Evans Vs. Sean Salmon
Name: Rashad Evans
Height: 5.11
Weight: 205
Record: 14-0-0

Name: Sean Salmon
Height: 5.10
Weight: 205
Record: 9-1-0



Jake O'Brien Vs. Heath Herring
Name: Jake O'Brien
Height: 6.3
Weight: 230
Record: 9-0-0
"Irish"

Name: Heath Herring
Height: 6.4
Weight: 250
Record: 26-11-1
"The Texas Crazy Horse"


Hermes Franca Vs. Spencer Fisher (*Winner in all likelihood gets a shot at Sherk)
Name: Hermes Franca
Height: 5.6
Weight: 155
Record: 17-5-0

Name: Spencer Fisher
Height: 5.7
Weight: 155
Record: 20-2-0
"The King"


Dean Lister Vs. Nate Marquardt (*Potential #1 Contender matchup at middleweight)
Name: Dean Lister
Height: 6.1
Weight: 185
Record: 9-4-0
"The Boogeyman"

Name: Nate Marquardt
Height: 6.0
Weight: 185
Record: 27-6-1
"The Great"
May not be broadcast.

Chad Reiner Vs. Josh Burkman
Name: Chad Reiner
Height: 5.11
Weight: 170
Record: 13-1-0
"The Grinder"

Name: Josh Burkman
Height: 5.10
Weight: 170
Record: 18-3-0
"The People's Warrior"
May not be broadcast.

Ed Herman Vs. Chris Price
Name: Ed Herman
Height: 6.2
Weight: 185
Record: 13-4-0
"Short Fuse"

Name: Chris Price
Height: 6.3
Weight: 185
Record: 8-1-0
"The Exorcist"
May not be broadcast.

Clay Guida Vs. Din Thomas
Name: Clay Guida
Height: 5.7
Weight: 155
Record: 21-3-0
"The Carpenter"

Name: Din Thomas
Height: 5.9
Weight: 155
Record: 21-7-0
"DinYero"
May not be broadcast.

Ross Pointon Vs. Rich Clementi (*Two fighters I could honestly do without... "Youknowwitimean?")
Name: Ross Pointon
Height: 5.8
Weight: 185
Record: 4-8-0
"The Gladiator"

Name: Rich Clementi
Height: 5.9
Weight: 155
Record: 22-6-0
"No Love"

[GekigangerV]

The Herring/O'Brien match was pathetic last night.

Herring's punches were sloppy and he had no ground game(WTF was up with him looking at the ref while he was on the ground?). A very disappointing UFC premiere for sure. He got a couple of good punches in, but couldn't follow them up with anything. You could see he was in a position where he would have gone for knees if it was Japanese rules, but since he couldn't he just stayed there and didn't try something else. Sure he hasn't fought in over a year, but you would think that a guy like him would perform better.

The worst part was that O'Brien really didn't dominate him. In the stand up he just kept his distance and went for the take down and while on the ground he kind of just laid down on him and didn't go for any submissions. The only submission attempt I really remember was Herring going for that Americana and thats it. I wish UFC had a yellow card system as it would have gotten both fighters going, O'Brien in the stand up and Herring on the ground.

[The FallenAngel]

Yeah, that was a really bad debut. Fight was awful.

Rashad's kick to finish the fight was great. Salmon was out for a long ass time, damn.

[C-$]

Rashad is the real deal. At first I thought Salmo had a pretty good chance of pullonjg the upset but the when I say Rashad's delilver "the kick", I couldn't help but yell & go crazy! That kick was just as good as the kick Liddel delivered to Sabrol( whatever his name is).

[Cubs Fan]

Yeah, that was a really bad debut. Fight was awful.

Rashad's kick to finish the fight was great. Salmon was out for a long ass time, damn.

I really dont like Heath Herring and I really didnt like what he said after the fight. But he had a torn MCL going into the fight.

Quote from Joe Rogan

I talked to Heath last night after the fight at a restaurant, and he told me he had a torn MCL for that fight. That's why he had that weird stance, and that's why he couldn't explode off his back or sprawl. I told him that I wished that I had known that before the fight because it explains a lot, but he said he didn't want to give any excuses. That's a credit to the way he thinks, but it's not really an excuse as much as it's an explanation. This is taking nothing away from Jake, because I think Jake fought a great fight and displayed some solid skills, but anyone that's seen Heath fight before knows that wasn't him out there.

I know some people thought I was a little harsh in my commentary, and I understand that, but I've got to be honest. It wasn't insulting, it was just exactly how I saw it. Knowing now about the injury, it all makes sense, and i wish I had that info while the fight was going on. I've always been a fan of Heath and the way he fights, so I'm really looking forward to him healing up so we can see him fight up to potential that I know he's capable of. Best wishes and a speedy recovery to Heath.

[brainchild81]

Rashad is the real deal. At first I thought Salmo had a pretty good chance of pullonjg the upset but the when I say Rashad's delilver "the kick", I couldn't help but yell & go crazy! That kick was just as good as the kick Liddel delivered to Sabrol( whatever his name is).Ditto. He used to be just unstoppable takedowns & some good punches. Now he's KOing mofos w/kicks. He's getting better & better w/each fight. Rashad Evans KOed his last 2 opponents.

On a side note. Has anyone heard about the MMA on Showtime?

[GekigangerV]

On a side note. Has anyone heard about the MMA on Showtime?

yeah Elite XC.

http://www.elitexc.com/

I am only interested because the first event has Krazy Horse.

I wonder how Goldberg and Lopez will do as a commentary team. I know Lopez does boxing commentary from time to time, but I haven't heard Goldberg do anything like this before. I hated him on the mic in prowrestleing though. Of course no one can beat the commentary team of Bas Rutten and Stephen Quadros.

[Cubs Fan]

On a side note. Has anyone heard about the MMA on Showtime?

I dont know about the showtime thing, but UFC and HBO made a deal together. HBO is supposed to air 3 UFC events in 2007, thats all I know about it.

[GekigangerV]

Travis Lutter was overweight by 1.5 pounds thus making the main event for tomorrow a non-title fight.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/pictures.asp?n_id=6657

Although I didn't think Lutter had a chance, it sucks to see the main event go down like this.

[GekigangerV]

Lutter did pretty damn good in that first round and showed that his ground game is pretty great. However, Silva did pull out the win with the triangle/elbows. I would like to see a rematch with the title on the line.

[The FallenAngel]

I happened to catch Cro Cop's fight. Next Heavyweight champ right there. :o :up:

[Cubs Fan]

I happened to catch Cro Cop's fight. Next Heavyweight champ right there. :o :up:

I agree a hundred perccent. Though I think that Sylvia will be a tougher fight then Eddie Sanchez. But I cant wait to see Crocop's leg kicks chop Sylvia down.

[Eric Draven]

That Cro Cop fight was pretty uneven. Sanchez was totally outmatched.


But Cro Cop does look vicious as hell.


I also loved that staredown in the beginning of the Rampage Jackson match :up:

[Cubs Fan]

Lutter did pretty damn good in that first round and showed that his ground game is pretty great. However, Silva did pull out the win with the triangle/elbows. I would like to see a rematch with the title on the line.

I really wish Lutter would have been in better condition for the fight. You could tell his punches didnt have much on them when he had the mount on Silva.

[zanos]

UFC 67 had the worst fight card I've ever seen. Aside from the big guys I was not familiar with anyone else and the crocop, jackson and silva fights were extremely predictable. Just as a side note I'd like to say that Silva is no champion. This guy has absolutely no takedown defense. He's begging for some ground fighter to come in and take his belt.

[Cubs Fan]

Has anyone here been to a UFC event? I'm going surprise my brother with a trip to UFC 69 for his birthday, but I'm a little worried about the seating. We're going to be sitting high up and I'm wondering how hard it will be to see whats going on in the cage.

[Eric Draven]

My buddy went to the last UFC event and apparently, he had seats up high but he could still see what's going on pretty well.....

[Cubs Fan]

My buddy went to the last UFC event and apparently, he had seats up high but he could still see what's going on pretty well.....

That is exactly what I wanted to hear. Thank you very much.

[brainchild81]

Just as a side note I'd like to say that Silva is no champion. This guy has absolutely no takedown defense. He's begging for some ground fighter to come in and take his belt.Nah. Lutter is a ground fighter & Silva kicked his ass

[Cubs Fan]

Nah. Lutter is a ground fighter & Silva kicked his ass

Lutter looked pretty weak though. I mean the guy had Silva mounted and couldnt beat him with punches and Silva stuck both his arms up just asking for an armbar. Lutter was definetly not 100%.

[zanos]

Nah. Lutter is a ground fighter & Silva kicked his ass

There are big holes in Silva's ground game. Lutter was not a serious contender for the title yet even in his weakened condition he was able to do take down Silva with ease. Why do you think Liddell has remained a champion for so long? Having really good standup skills isn't good enough these days.

[brainchild81]

We'll see. So far, he's doing just fine. Lutter took him down & paid a horrible price for it. Silva's ground game is OK. He kept managing to avoid getting hurt & to get up also. Lutter needs coaching. Anybody see Chonan beat Silva back in the day w/that wicked Sub?

P.S. Elite Xtreme Combat premires on Shotime tonight @10pm Eastern. Renzo Gracie V. Frank Shamrock

[Qoèlet]

Anybody see Chonan beat Silva back in the day w/that wicked Sub?

P.S. Elite Xtreme Combat premires on Shotime tonight @10pm Eastern. Renzo Gracie V. Frank Shamrock
The Chonan sub was one of the best I've ever seen.
http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/silva%2Bchonan/video/xiu0k_anderson-silva-vs-chonan-submission

On the topic of the Showtime fights, here's Sherdog's play-by-play:
Bo Cantrell (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=7428) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=7428@@Bo Cantrell)) vs. Tim Persey (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=12723) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=12723@@Tim Persey))
Round 1
The fighters trade wild punches with Cantrell getting the best of the exchange. Percy clinches with Cantrell against the cage. Percy lands a knee to the body. Percy unloads with a flurry of left and right hooks that knock out Cantrell. Percy wins by KO at 1:33 of the first.

Mike Pyle (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=4577) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=4577@@Mike Pyle)) vs. Ross Ebanez (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=6334) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=6334@@Ross Ebanez))
Round 1
Pyle attacking Ross Ebanez’s legs. Pyle gets a takedown after catching a Ebanez kick. Pyle takes his back and works for a rear naked choke. Ross defending well. Pyle sinks in the choke and forces a tap. Impressive victory for Pyle at 1:55 of the first frame.

Adriano Pereira (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=9346) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=9346@@Adriano Pereira)) vs. Javier Vazquez (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=511) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=511@@Javier Vazquez))
Round 1
Vazquez lands a solid straight left. Pereira scores a takedown. Pereira stands up in the guard and attacks with punches. Both fighters back to their feet. Pereira faints and lands a right hook. Vazquez fires in a leg kick that find its target. Vazquez lunges in with a knee and avoids a takedown. Pereira rushes forward and lands 3 punches to his opponent's face. Pereira lands another solid punch before the round ends. Sherdog.com scores the close first round 10-9 for Pereira.

Round 2
Vazquez lands a solid body shot. Pereira scores with a punch that makes Vazquez grimace. Vazquez answers with a takedown. He stands up in guard and drops a hard punch down on his opponent's head. Vazquez working from half-guard and trying to pass. He moves to mount. Vazquez scores with elbows and punches. Pereira briefly got back to half-guard but Vazquez quickly advanced back to mount. Vazquez pounding away. One minute remains in the round. Referee Gary Ritter asks for more action. Vazquez drops down for a heel but Pereira escapes and takes the top position. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Vazquez.

Round 3
Vazquez opens up with his hands but nothing lands. Vazquez shoots in for a takedown but Pereira grabs the fence. Vazquez shoots in for another takedown but Pereira stuffs the attempt. Both fighters are fatigued. Vazquez lands a right counter. Vazquez lands another hard right hand. One minute remains in the bout. Pereira lands a punch and a knee. Pereira shoots and takes the fight to the canvas. Vazquez goes for an armbar but Pereira has none of it. Sherdog.com scores the close third round 10-9 for Vazquez.

Official score:
29-28 Vazquez
29-27 Pereira
29-28 Vazquez
Javier Vazquez gets the split decision nod.

John Shackelford (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=4572) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=4572@@John Shackelford)) vs. James Edson Berto (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=9770) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=9770@@James Edson Berto))
Round 1
Berto lands a hard low kick. Berto lands a right hand and stuffs a Shackleford takedown attempt. Berto lands a left hand and explodes into a flying knee but Shackleford catches it and takes Berto to the canvas. Berto sweeps and passes to side-control. Berto steps back to his feet and invites Shackleford to follow. Berto lands a left striaght to the face then the body. Shackleford feels it and shoots for another takedown. Berto sprawls and stops it. Berto fires in a low kick that lands. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Berto.

Round 2
Berto is cutting off the cage and throwing straight punches. Berto lands a left straight. Berto lands another left. Berto lands a crushing left kick to the body and a left hook to the chin that sends Shackleford to the canvas. Shackelford weathers the storm and looks for for a heel hook. Berto holds his position and drops punches down until the ref stops the fight. The crowd is not pleased but Shackleford stopped defending. Berto wins at 2:27 of the second round.

Chris Gates (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=1628) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=1628@@Chris Gates)) vs. Riki ***uda (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=10229) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=10229@@Riki ***uda))
Round 1
***uda scores a takedown to start the action. ***uda bombs away with a right hand and a series of lefts from Gates' guard that forces the referee to step in and show mercy. Riki ***uda wins by TKO at 1:18 of the first stanza.

Karl James Noons (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=6727) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=6727@@Karl James Noons)) vs. Charles Bennett (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=1575) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=1575@@Charles Bennett))

“Krazy Horse” talks on a cell phone while walking to the cage.

Round 1
Bennett refuses to touch hands with Noons. KJ lands a kick to the body. Bennett counters a kick with a right hand and lands a low kick of his own. Noons attacks Bennett’s legs. Bennett pieces together a crisp punch combo. Noons shakes Bennett’s frame with a lead right. Bennett lands a brutal right hook square on the chin that puts Noons out on the mat. Replays show that the knockout punch was a counter shot off a chin-grazing right hand from Noons. Bennett was hurt by the punch but landed his counter shot with much more power. Bennett wins by kockout at 3:43 of the first round.

Gina Carano (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=16535) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=16535@@Gina Carano)) vs. Julie Kedzie (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=10093) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=10093@@Julie Kedzie))
Round 1
Kedzie lands a front kick. Kedzie shoots for a takedown but Carano stops it. Carano lands a knee to the stomach and avoids another takedown attempt. Kedzie shoots and pulls guard. Carano escapes guard and gets back to her feet. Carano lands a right had. And another. Carano lands a head kick and two right hands. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Carano.

Round 2
Carano lands a hard low kick. Kedzie scores a takedown but Carano scrambles to the top position. Kedzie using a body triangle from the bottom. Kedzie counters a head kick with a right hand. Carano answers with a right of her own. Carano is teeing off with kicks to the leg and punches to the head. Carano drops Kedzie with a hard right hand. Kedzie stands back to her feet. The tough as nails Kedzie scores a body lock takedown before the round ends. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Carano.

Round 3
Kedzie gets a takedown and moves to side-control. Carano gives up her back. The much-stronger Carano works back to her feet and out of the bad position. Carano throws a double jab and lands a right hand. Kedzie answers with a right of her own. Carano lands a knee and scores a takedown of her own from the Thai-clinch before the round ends. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Kedzie. This turned out to be a very exciting fight. The judges score the fight 29-28 x 2 and 30-27, all for Gina Carano.

Joey Villasenor (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=528) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=528@@Joey Villasenor)) vs. David Loiseau (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=903) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=903@@David Loiseau))
Round 1
Villasenor gets a quick takedown. He moves to side-control. Villasenor is working elbows to Loiseau’s head. The Canadia works back to his feet. Villasenor slams Loiseau to the mat. Villasenor moves to Loiseau’s back and works knees to the shoulder. Villasenor now working from the crucifix position. Loiseau back to his feet. Again Villasenor takes the fight to the mat. Loiseau reverses and works from the top. Villasenor sinks in a deep armbar but “The Crow” escapes. First round is dominated by the American, 10-9.

Round 2
Loiseau tries to throw Villasenor but Joey takes the top position. Villasenor dropping elbows to the Canadian’s face from half-guard. Loiseau works back to full-guard. Referee Herb Dean stands up the fighters. Villasenor lands a right hand. Villasenor with a knee to the gut. Again Villasenor takes Loiseau down. Loiseau turtles up while Villasenor elbows the head. Loiseau works to his feet only to get ripped back to the ground. More elbows from the American. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Villasenor.

Round 3
Loiseau opens up with two wild kicks to start the third. Loiseau lands a left hand. Loiseau, hesitant in the first two rounds, now presses the pace. Villasenor lands a crushing body shot. Villaseor drops Loiseau with a right hand. Double jab from Villasenor. Villasenor rocks Loiseau with a right hook to the body. Right hook scores for Villasenor. Complete domination from Villasenor, 10-9 and 30-27 total on the Sherdog.com scorecard. The official judges agree. 30-27 x3.

Antonio Silva (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=12354) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=12354@@Antonio Silva)) vs. Wesley Correira (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=2829) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=2829@@Wesley Correira))
Round 1
Silva lands a low kick and a jab before scoring a takedown. Silva drops right hands down on Cabbage’s face from half-guard. Both fighters are back to their feet. Silva lands an uppercut. Silva opens up a small cut over Correira’s right eye. The 300-lb. Silva lands a flying knee and a left hand that floors “Cabbage.” He pounces on his fallen opponent with punches until the referee stops the contest at 3:49 of the first round. Impressive victory for the Brazilian.

Frank Shamrock (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=284) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=284@@Frank Shamrock)) vs. Renzo Gracie (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=290) (Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=290@@Renzo Gracie))

Renzo Gracie walks to the cage to the sounds of Evanescence's "Wake me up Inside." Frank Shamrock follows to Bruce Springsteen’s “Born in the U.S.A.”

Round 1
Shamrock lands two kicks to the legs ad a right hand. Renzo clinches and works for the takedown. He gets Shamrock to the canvas. He quickly moves to sidemount. Gracie now has knee-on-belly. Gracie is setting up a armbar. The ref stands them up. Shamrock lands a knee to the body and a right hand. Gracie scores another takedown. Renzo works from the top position in half-guard. Gracie now in side mount. Gracie works some elbows before the round ends. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 for Gracie.

Round 2
Renzo shoots twice but Shamrock has none of it. Renzo on his third try takes the bout to the floor. Renzo is back in side-control but he offers no offense. Herb Dean takes a point from Shamrock for kneeing Renzo to the head from the bottom. Renzo is given 5-minutes to recover. The EMS crew put a neck brace on the stunned Gracie so the fight appears to be over. Replays show Shamrock lands 2 knees to the side of Renzo's head/neck area from the bottom of Gracie's side mount. He walks out of the cage under his own power. An official result is forthcoming. Frank Shamrock is disqualified at 2:00 of the second round.
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Not great to hear that Loiseau dropped another fight with a less than stellar performance. But then on the other hand everyone out of the Greg Jackson camp has been on fire lately, so it's not a bad loss... at least, it's no worse than any loss that's your third in the row is going to be.

Also, it sounds like an over the hill Renzo Gracie was getting the better of Frank Shamrock (legend in his own mind though he may be) before the DQ. Maybe that will get Shamrock, who's still in his physical prime, off his laurels and convince him to actually take some fights again. Of course, I'm not counting on it.

[brainchild81]

Loiseau ain't been the same since he lost to Franklin. Gina Carano is beautiful and deadly w/her striking. Julie had big time heart and can take alot of punishment. Just watched Silva beat up Carlos Newton. Silva is top class. Not unbeatable, but he's the real deal and doesn't get enough credit. Anybody watch BodogFight?

[DBella]

Anyone here plan on watching UFC 68? The fight card looks pretty good, especially with the inclusion of 2 of my favorite fighters; Matt Hughes and Rich Franklin. Matt will be going against Chris Lytle. His name sounds familiar but I can't remember much of him. Franklin will be fighting against Jason MacDonald 'The TUF Killer'. Just knowing Franklin and Hughes are on the fight card has raise my level of interest in this particular event. Anyway, I hope Couture will be the crap out of Sylvia. :up:

PS. Just heard that Hughes might be fighting in the 185lbs weight division... after he wins his welterweight championship belt first. What do you guys think of that?

[mrvlknight21]

Ah, there she is the UFC queen herself, DBella.
I think Hughes should stay in the class he is in until he beats GSP...or maybe thats what you are saying. But he definitely needs to beat GSP, not someone else, for the title.

[DBella]

Ah, there she is the UFC queen herself, DBella.
I think Hughes should stay in the class he is in until he beats GSP...or maybe thats what you are saying. But he definitely needs to beat GSP, not someone else, for the title.
Well... GSP is the current champ so I think when he said he'll move to the 185lbs after he gets his belt back, he meant to beat GSP. I'd love to see a re-match (next one will be the third) between these two as their two bouts have been very entertaining. But I wanna see Hughes fight Diego Sanchez first before he leaves the welterweight division.

[Colossal Spoons]

Tank Abbott is a big mofo :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait, DBella watches UFC?


:heart:

[DBella]

I eat, sleep, live MMA. Well... not exactly but it's one of my favorite sports to watch since boxing went downhill. Still like boxing but it's not as exciting as it used to be.

[Colossal Spoons]

I haven't watched boxing in a looong time. That's awesome, most women steer clear of MMA stuff.

[CrypticOne]

I don't know why they're putting Diego against Koscheck. Thats a no match for Diego. Plus, he already beat him once. And of coarse Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes are going to win their bouts.

[DBella]

I don't know why they're putting Diego against Koscheck. Thats a no match for Diego. Plus, he already beat him once. And of coarse Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes are going to win their bouts.
Diego as in Sanchez? Is he on UFC 68 fight card? If you're talking about Sanchez, I think he should be fighting Matt Hughes instead. You are certain Franklin will beat MacDonald? I think he'll win too but I also thought he'll beat Silva but he didn't.

[hey yo its sean]

So I was perusing YouTube this afternoon, and pretty much discovered my new favorite fighter. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5707). This guy is a beast. I haven't been too big on Pride, so this was a nice little discovery for me. Someone give this guy a UFC contract. I'd love to see him demolish the entire Light-Heavyweight divison. Including Quinton Jackson. Again.

[CrypticOne]

Diego as in Sanchez? Is he on UFC 68 fight card? If you're talking about Sanchez, I think he should be fighting Matt Hughes instead. You are certain Franklin will beat MacDonald? I think he'll win too but I also thought he'll beat Silva but he didn't.


Yeah, Diego as in Sanchez. I'm pretty certain Fraklin will win his match. And your right, The Nightmare needs to be taking on Hughes. That would be one hell of a match. Then I want to see Diego take on B.J. Penn.

[The FallenAngel]

UFC 68 Results from Dave Meltzer of WON:

Jamie Varner b Jason Gilliam. Varner took Gilliam down right away, got his back, and choked him out in less than 2:00.

Gleison Tibau b Jason Dent via decision after three rounds. Tibau scored takedowns in all three rounds and controlled the match from there. He struck from the top and went for a lot of submissions, but could never finish. 30-27 scores.

Jon Fitch b Luigi Fiorvanti. First round had Fitch take Fiorvanti down and work him over. In round two, Fitch scored two more takedowns before getting his back and choking Fiorvanti out.

Matt Hammil b Rex Holman after they exchanged, with Hammil doing better. Hammil scored the takedown, got Holman's back and choked him out late in the first round.

Jason Lambert vs. Renato Babalu Sobral opens the PPV show.

Babalu dominated the first 4:30 of the round, taking him down, getting his back and nearly getting a choke. But Lambert got up and decked Babalu with time running out and Babalu held on. Hard to judge round because Lambert did well, but I'd give it to Babalu.

Another upset here. Lambert took Babalu down and punished him on the ground while in guard, with punches, forearms and elbows. Finally John McCarthy ordered a stand-up, and as Babalu came forward, Lambert crushed him with a left hook to the jaw and it was over.

Matt Hughes vs. Chris Lytle is up next.

Fight was on the ground. Lytle tried a guillotine and neutralized Hughes for a while. Hughes got side control and threw a few punches but not much. At the end of the round, Hughes was about to get an armbar when time ran out. Close round slightly going to Hughes.

Hughes took him down and trapped the head, hammering him with elbows and punches. Lytle's left eye was busted up pretty good. Hughes got side control and even a full mount. Lytle used the cage to reverse, but in going for an armbar, lost his position. Definitely Hughes' round.

Hughes took him down and controlled Lytle the entire round, but didn't do much. Lots of booing because it was a bad round. Hughes went for an armbar late but Lytle got out of it.

Straight 30-27 scores for Hughes, but it was a bad fight and not a dynamic win.

Fans booed Anderson Silva on the screen. Lots of booing. It'll be bad for Sylvia.

Fan poll has Couture 62% to 38%.

Rich Franklin vs. Jason MacDonald is up next.

Batista is at ringside. Franklin connected with a lot of punches and showed good takedown defense. At one point Franklin threw MacDonald down and was throwing a lot of punches but as MacDonald started playing a submission game, Franklin backed off. MacDonald got a takedown late. Franklin's round easily.

Franklin gave MacDonald a real beating late in the round from the top with punches from the mount and back. It was seconds from being stopped when the round ended, but MacDonald's corner saw how wobbly he was and called it off, so Franklin won at the end of the second round. Unlike Hughes, I'd say very good performance by Franklin.

They had a face-off with Franklin and Silva after the match. Of course the fans booed Silva heavy, but Franklin told the fans that Silva was a real champion and didn't deserve to be booed. Silva praised Franklin as well. Dana White then told Franklin he'd like the rematch in Cincinnati. The Cincinnati fans cheered, but in Columbus, a lot of fans booed.

Martin Kampmann vs. Drew McFedries is next.

McFedries was killing him with punches, with one knockdown from a right and several really hard lefts. Kampmann has a hell of a chin to stay up from that kind of pounding and his face was looking bad. Then Kampmann took him down, got a side mount and switched over, securing a head and arm triangle and McFederies passed out from the choke. A great example of the sport. This is a complete WWE crowd because these two weren't stars and the crowd went quiet, even though this was a really good match.

Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture is up next. Final poll is 71% for Couture.

RANDY WON 50-45 across the board.

Couture decked Sylvia in round right after faking a kick and scoring with an overhand right. He went for the kill, but Sylvia survived, regained his bearings and the rest of the round had Couture underneath Sylvia, but having his back. Couture kept trying for a choke but never came close.

Couture took Sylvia down in the second round. He kept busy with punches to the head and body, as well as some elbows, giving Sylvia a bloody nose. Sylvia connected with some elbows from his back as well. Couture took him down a second time right at the end of the round.

Both guys were exhausted at this point, but Couture has balls of steel and fought through it. Couture outstruck Sylvia the entire round connecting many times to the head with rights. Who would have believed a round completely on their feet and Couture would win it handily, without even being rocked once. At this point Couture had the match won unless he was knocked out or submitted.

Couture took him down again in round four. After a stand-up, Couture was scoring with overhand rights. Sylvia just had no game plan and clearly had taken Couture too lightly. By this point he was too tired to execute. Couture got another takedown and scored with elbows to the head and more punches.

Round five saw Couture land more punches standing, and got another takedown. He got into a mount, scored with knees to the body, more elbows, got another mount. After a stand-up, he can another takedown. Couture had a swollen left eye but he pitched a five round shutout here. This was by no means fight of the year, but it will go down as one of the most memorable fights in history.

[Tobiaswins]

Alright I've searched the Forums here and couldn't find if this has been discussed before so here goes. Does anyone here watch UFC, and if so who do you like, Liddell, Ortiz, Cro Cop, Couture, St. Piere, Hughes, Rampage? This could be a place where UFC fans or maybe even Pride fans can express their love for the sport. I personally think Randy Couture is the man after his win last night. So let your voice be heard if your a UFC fan.

peace:word:

[Colossal Spoons]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252799

[Ghostvirus]

UFC has got to be about the gayest sport ever. I mean in the homophobic sense. A friend of mine showed me one of there fights. It was literally 20 mins of them just laying on the ground hugging each, & occassionaly punching. It was like watching gay porn without the penetration.

[brainchild81]

Tim was lumped up. I don't really remember if Randy was. I'm glad Randy won. Tim needed to be humbled
I watched it in a club so I couldn't hear them boo Anderson. Stupid fans!

[TNC9852002]

Uhh,..yeah, whatever...

Anyway, I was really into it, mostly because of that great UFC Dreamcast game from a few years back..

It doesn't come on as much as it used to on Spike TV, but, I get around to watching it only once in a while..

-TNC

[hey yo its sean]

UFC has got to be about the gayest sport ever. I mean in the homophobic sense. A friend of mine showed me one of there fights. It was literally 20 mins of them just laying on the ground hugging each, & occassionaly punching. It was like watching gay porn without the penetration.

Die slow.

[Ghostvirus]

Die slow.

WTF?! From what I am have seen. I get some homoerotic tones from it. Sorry, but 2 guys power hugging for 20 mins. isn't something I want to watch.

I don't think a difference in opinion merrits death.

[TNC9852002]

Well, maybe not death, but possibly just a very painful paper cut..

-TNC

[M@ssEffect]

I have to say mixed martial arts in the center of a hexagonal ring really doesn't do much for me especially when all matches end up in floor based grapples. It's all they seem to know how to do.

[nosebleed.]

lol...this reminds me of a vid I saw of a mock Brazilian Jujitsu commercial. It showed how lethal it was and nothing but guys rolling around the floor with each other's faces in one another's crotches. Then it said something to the effect of "Brazilian jujitsu is the gayest martial art in the world". That being said, I would DEFINITELY be damned afraid to get in the ring with Randy Couture. That man is the piece of iron that Drago was talking about in Rocky IV. His punches hurt my head just watching them and he is so unbelievably strong that its ridiculous. RC is the **** mos definitely.

[Butterbean]

I don't like the UFC, but I like Pride FC , K-1, and other MMA organizations.

As far as fighters, I like Aoki, Gilbert Melendez, Rumina Sato, Denis Kang, and Paulo Filho.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

no i don't watch it seeing as i like real things.

[hey yo its sean]

UFC is real. Dumb ****.

[TheJaberwock]

after the way Couture completely owned Tim Sylvia, there better be a Couture vs. Cro Cop for heavyweight belt. and soon!

[Cyrusbales]

There's an ultimate Cage fighting championship tour coming into my town next week. It's similar, but a little more brawlesque, think wolverine at the begining of X1

[DorkyFresh]

my respect for Coutoure has grown 10 fold. the dude is 43 and he had his way with Sylvia for all 5 rounds. that's good because Sylvia needed to lose that belt.

i love GSP for exposing Matt Hughes' weakness (stand up). Diego's always fun to watch, i like Silva for handing Rich Franklin's ass to him even though i like Rich too. i don't like Matt Hughes even though i respect him. i like and respect Tito even though he's not the greatest and i'm still waiting for someone to drop Liddell, hehe. Cro Cop is a f***ing monster....

[Butterbean]

does anyone here watch pride??? and how long u guys been into MMA?

[M@ssEffect]

UFC really doesn't put on display much talent. I really don't hold much respect for it =/ I'd rather watch K-1 or true ultimate fighting.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

UFC is real. Dumb ****.prove it.

[Mayor_McCheese]

It was like watching gay porn without the penetration.


You must have been highly disappointed

[ScottyBBadd]

UFC has got to be about the gayest sport ever. I mean in the homophobic sense. A friend of mine showed me one of there fights. It was literally 20 mins of them just laying on the ground hugging each, & occassionaly punching. It was like watching gay porn without the penetration.

On top of that there is hardly any fighting.

[DorkyFresh]

ugh...this thread has turned into everyone going "UFC suxorz bcuz it'z not as xc0re as Pryde!"

[M@ssEffect]

Not really. I just don't like UFC because it all boils down into grapples. It's really a waste of physical exertion.

[Warhammer]

This should definitely be merged with my thread in the TV forum.
Anyway, yes and my favorite fighter is Matt Hughes.

[Warhammer]

no i don't watch it seeing as i like real things.

:whatever:

[hey yo its sean]

On top of that there is hardly any fighting.

How the hell do you figure that?

prove it.

Listen, it's not my job to prove anything to you. You want to believe that kind of idiotic ****, then it's your ****ing loss, not mine. Have fun living in ignorance.

Not really. I just don't like UFC because it all boils down into grapples. It's really a waste of physical exertion.

Grappling is a waste of physical exertion? Wow, yeah okay, you're not worth debating with.

[BRUTAL]

Grappling is a waste of physical exertion? Wow, yeah okay, you're not worth debating with.

No worries man his ignorance knows no bounds...

[jaguarr]

Here, you guys can watch the upper card fights for free:

http://dewsaw.com/sports/

Couture beats Sylvia like a fourth grader. :D

jag

[Tobiaswins]

Yeah, Couture fought one hell of a match, I have much respect for
"The Natural". Can't wait for Hughes to get his rematch with St. Piere. As far as Liddell goes, I really don't see anyone beating him anytime soon, with the exception of Rampage Jackson.

[Butterbean]

^^ WTF ? ? ? ? ?

Shogun Rua would absolutely MURDER Chuck Liddell. Shogun is number one ranked in the world. He would maul Liddell.

[hey yo its sean]

As strong as the Iceman is, Rua would definitely put a hurt on him. Bad. Tobias meant that no one currently in the UFC's roster could beat him, I think.

[Butterbean]

hey yo its sean has common sense...

Chuck + Shogun = Big Loss for Chuck

[Tobiaswins]

As strong as the Iceman is, Rua would definitely put a hurt on him. Bad. Tobias meant that no one currently in the UFC's roster could beat him, I think.

Ya, that's what I meant, Rampage Jackson is the only one in the UFC that I can see really challenging Liddell. Although I'm still not sure who Rua is, does he fight in Pride?

[Butterbean]

^^ Omg.....just kill yourself now dude.....

If you don't watch Pride, then you aren't a fan of MMA, you are just a fan of the UFC, which is a b-level organization next to Pride FC.

[Butterbean]

Ok noobie......I'll explain something to you...

Dana White and ZUFFA run a business. They market their fighters and make them seem like the best fighters are in UFC because of the hype they put on them.

Problem is anyone who watches other mma organizations than just ufc realize who is the best fighters out there....

Dana White hypes up Liddell as a God. He is not. He was humilated by Rampage Jackson in Pride. He also does not have good cardio and also never has been challenged.

Look at Arona , Vanderlei Silva, and Shogun Rua. They all would prolly expose Liddell.

The HW's in UFC are another joke. Their best one is cro cop. Cro Cop came from pride and k-1 where he was famous. however he still is not number one. Fedor is the undefeated pound for pound best fighter on the planet. He fights for Pride.

LW's are another joke. Sean Sherk is the UFC LW champion. On mmaweekly.com, he isn't even ranked in the top ten of that weight class because the better fighters are in Shooto, Pride Bushido, Hero's, etc.....

Don't let Dana White and UFC fool you into believing every fighter you see in their organization is the best. It's propaganda.

Shogun Rua is ranked number one in the world in Chuck's division. Most ppl would put their money on Shogun.

[hey yo its sean]

Ya, that's what I meant, Rampage Jackson is the only one in the UFC that I can see really challenging Liddell. Although I'm still not sure who Rua is, does he fight in Pride?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yxl2f-nW3I

Shogun Rua. Beastly. Made quick work of Rampage. Chain didn't help Jackson.

^^ Omg.....just kill yourself now dude.....

If you don't watch Pride, then you aren't a fan of MMA, you are just a fan of the UFC, which is a b-level organization next to Pride FC.

Take it easy. Pride doesn't exactly have the exposure UFC has had. UFC is a giant; a giant that continues to grow. Give the guy a break.

[brainchild81]

People please don't turn this into a UFC bashing thread. I like Pride and UFC. They should have more cross company fights like they did when Liddell lost to Rampage though.Uhh,..yeah, whatever...What was that for?.

[Donnie Darko]

They should have more cross company fights like they did when Liddell lost to Rampage though.What was that for?.

like that Liddell/Silva fight they were supposed to have? I hate that that fight was called off.

[Butterbean]

The Silva / Liddell fight was never called on! Dana White had second thoughts when Silva's boy Anderson Silva destroyed UFC's MW poster boy, Franklin.

Anyone who knew ANYTHING about MMA, knew Anderson Silva would crush Franklin, but the noobs who got into UFC through SPIKE TV are idiots and they actually thought Franklin had a shot!!

LOL... The same ppl think Liddell is number one. LOL.

[The FallenAngel]

Dude...Butterbean...you need to chill out. Jesus.

[Cubs Fan]

[quote=Butterbean;11319886]Dana White hypes up Liddell as a God. He is not. He was humilated by Rampage Jackson in Pride. He also does not have good cardio and also never has been challenged.

Look at Arona , Vanderlei Silva, and Shogun Rua. They all would prolly expose Liddell.quote]



Ok I dont really like Liddell that much either and I think that Rampage could beat him again. I honestly dont know what to think about Shogun VS. Liddell. But I dont think Arona or Silva could beat him. If Dan Henderson can knock out SIlva, then there is no doubt in my mind that Liddell could do the same.

And Liddell doenst have great cardio, but his cardio isnt that bad either. If I remember right he went to the fourth round against Horn, and he didnt seem gassed to me.

And he has fought good competition, its not world class competition, but its good. Hes beat Jeremy Horn, Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, Sobral twice, Alistair Overeem, Ortiz twice, and Couture twice. So I'd say he has been challenged.

[Butterbean]

[quote=Butterbean;11319886]Dana White hypes up Liddell as a God. He is not. He was humilated by Rampage Jackson in Pride. He also does not have good cardio and also never has been challenged.

Look at Arona , Vanderlei Silva, and Shogun Rua. They all would prolly expose Liddell.quote]



Ok I dont really like Liddell that much either and I think that Rampage could beat him again. I honestly dont know what to think about Shogun VS. Liddell. But I dont think Arona or Silva could beat him. If Dan Henderson can knock out SIlva, then there is no doubt in my mind that Liddell could do the same.

And Liddell doenst have great cardio, but his cardio isnt that bad either. If I remember right he went to the fourth round against Horn, and he didnt seem gassed to me.

And he has fought good competition, its not world class competition, but its good. Hes beat Jeremy Horn, Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, Sobral twice, Alistair Overeem, Ortiz twice, and Couture twice. So I'd say he has been challenged.

I do not deny the fact that Liddell is not a top five ranked LHW in the world...I just do not believe he can be number one. Until he faces Shogun, Vanderlei, or Arona, Liddell is top five or four. Not number one.

Shogun has a style that would wreck Liddell.

And for the moron who said I need to chill out ? ? ? WTF ?? ? Are you serious? U act like I'm beating my keyboard. What a nerd.

[CrypticOne]

I'm glad Couture got the title. I didn't like seeing a flabby man have it.

[The FallenAngel]

And for the moron who said I need to chill out ? ? ? WTF ?? ? Are you serious? U act like I'm beating my keyboard. What a nerd.Yeah...thanks for proving my point.

[Butterbean]

Fallen angel, you have no point. You are a moron.

[Cubs Fan]

[quote=Cubs Fan;11327070]

I do not deny the fact that Liddell is not a top five ranked LHW in the world...I just do not believe he can be number one. Until he faces Shogun, Vanderlei, or Arona, Liddell is top five or four. Not number one.

Shogun has a style that would wreck Liddell.

And for the moron who said I need to chill out ? ? ? WTF ?? ? Are you serious? U act like I'm beating my keyboard. What a nerd.


Well I'm not saying Liddell should or should'nt be number. But should'nt Shogun or Wanderlei have to beat Liddell in order to be number one?

[Butterbean]

"Well I'm not saying Liddell should or should'nt be number. But should'nt Shogun or Wanderlei have to beat Liddell in order to be number one?"

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cubs Fan]

"Well I'm not saying Liddell should or should'nt be number. But should'nt Shogun or Wanderlei have to beat Liddell in order to be number one?"

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont understand whats wrong with my question. I'm going by your logic here. You said Liddell is in the top five, but he cant be number one without beating Shogun or Wanderlei(which might not even happen). So why wouldnt it be the same for them?

[Qoèlet]

You said Liddell is in the top five, but he cant be number one without beating Shogun or Wanderlei(which might not even happen). So why wouldnt it be the same for them?
You don't seem to get it: what you're faced with here is the typical elitest rational any PRIDE fan has. Namely, simply fighting in PRIDE makes a fighter superior to talent elsewhere. Calling UFC a b-level show when UFC washouts just decisively beat PRIDE's overprotected lightweight champ and welterweight GP champ a couple weeks ago, saying that Arona would expose Liddell when stylistically that's an awfully good matchup for Liddell, that sort of thing. It's not logic at all, it's just embracing his own glaring bias. Additionally, citing mmaweekly rankings as evidence of anything is proof of a thoroughly unbalanced individual.

[Butterbean]

You don't seem to get it: what you're faced with here is the typical elitest rational any PRIDE fan has. Namely, simply fighting in PRIDE makes a fighter superior to talent elsewhere. Calling UFC a b-level show when UFC washouts just decisively beat PRIDE's overprotected lightweight champ and welterweight GP champ a couple weeks ago, saying that Arona would expose Liddell when stylistically that's an awfully good matchup for Liddell, that sort of thing. It's not logic at all, it's just embracing his own glaring bias. Additionally, citing mmaweekly rankings as evidence of anything is proof of a thoroughly unbalanced individual.

mmaweekly is a good mma website for you newbies out there.....

Pride does have the better fighters, but that's not an opinion. You research the websites out there with mmaweekly.com and mmaranks.com, etc...take a look at their top ten and see who they all fight for. Pride wins because their HW, LW, and LHW divisions are STACKED with top ranked fighters, where as UFC lacks.

UFC does have a better WW division with GSP, Hughes, and BJ Penn. Their MW is equal to pride because of Anderson Silva. Franklin, Marquardt, Lister and those guys are legit, but Pride has Denis Kang, Dan Henderson, and the number one MW in the world, BRAZILIAN TOP TEAM'S UNDEFEATED PAULO FILHO!!!!!!!

The fact is Shogun and Vanderlei already proved their number one rankings because they fought the best and beat the best. UFC protects Chuck and makes him fight the same people he's already beaten to make him seem like he is the best LHW 205 pounder in the world, but it's all Dana white and UFC hype...

If you are a casual fan and watches Spike TV for UFC, don't believe the hype. Do your own homework and come up with your conclusion.

But take it from me, someone who has been into the sport of MMA since the 90's, Shogun is number one in the world. If you watch all of Chuck's fights and all of Shogun's fights from Meca Vale Tudo, Bushido, and Pride, you will probably draw the same conclusion as me....

So when you talk about Liddell, you shouldn't assume he's the greatest just because he KO's the same people over and over.

The best example of Liddell in the top 5 is when people were wondering about the best LHW. The names included Quinton, Vanderlei, Arona, Rogerio Nogueira, and Shogun Rua.

No one knew where to rank Chuck in this division since all the fighters fought for Pride in 2003 (at that time, Pride clearly was number one while UFC was struggling). Arona was impressive, Rogerio was unstoppable, etc...

So out of all those top 5 Pride fighters, Chuck DID face one of them in 2003, he fought Quinton Jackson. Chuck got his ass handed to him...Chuck was on the ground helpless. Quinton clearly dominated and showed Liddell was nowhere near Arona, Quinton, Vanderlei, Rogerio or Shogun.

Then Quinton went on to lose to Vanderlei TWICE, therefore making Liddell look even worst. He can't even beat the Pride number two guy, no way he beats Vanderlei and Arona who were tied at number one.

You have to go beyond UFC if you really like the sport of MMA and then come up with your own logic, imo....

[Butterbean]

Also, styles make fights too...

I do not think Arona is number 1-2 or 3 in the world, however he poccesses an incredible MMA style, which actually is very boring to watch, but he is good at what he does. He has an incredible wrestling / BJJ ability. He can take anyone down and ground and pound them forever without getting tired.
He is incredibly strong and FAST!

Put Liddell in with Arona, most casual fans don't know who Arona is and will assume he is the same as Babalu, another brazilian, Arona would beat Liddell, imho. Why? Because Arona is a better wrestler than Chuck, and if Chuck can't KO Arona in the first minute, better just give it to Arona. Arona would shoot in on him countless times and put chuck on his back. Ever seen Chuck on his back? Not a pretty sight. Arona would be the agressor and eventually own Chuck to win a clear judges decision.

Rogerio vs. Liddell would be a good fight, with the recent upset, Liddell would be the clear favorite, but you can't count out Rogerio.

Wanderlei vs. Liddell, same thing with Rogerio, Liddell would be the favorite, but Silva's aggression would be a very interesting match up.

Quinton vs. Liddell II, LOL....Rampage wins..AGAIN!

Shogun vs. Liddell, Shogun OWNS Chuck anyway he wants. Shogun is number one people. He is unstoppable and just 23 years old.

[CrypticOne]

When Liddell takes on Rampage again, its going to be a very different fight. I see Liddell winning by KO. As for Liddell going up against Wanderlei or Shogun? Please people, lets not talk about it. Liddell would get owned, big time. Its not even a conversation.

[brainchild81]

Forgot to mention IFL comes on mondays on the former WB

[Butterbean]

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/imgs/top/fightcard_34.jpg

Who else is excited for the Arona Match ! ! !

Also on the card is Fujita vs. Jeff Monson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The FallenAngel]

I like Sokoudjou just because his name is awesome...

[Cubs Fan]

I'm very excited for the Arona fight. But I'm more excited for Fujita vs. Monson.

[Butterbean]

Zelg trains with Cro Cop and is a lightweight version of cro cop.

[Butterbean]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHOGUN RUA SIGNS A TWO FIGHT DEAL WITH UFC!!!!!!!!!!

R.I.P. Chuck Liddell

[Golgo-13]

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/imgs/top/fightcard_34.jpg

Who else is excited for the Arona Match ! ! !

Also on the card is Fujita vs. Jeff Monson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When does this card take place?

I haven't been watching Pride lately. I actually just found out that Mirko Cro-Cop K.O'd Wanderlei Silva.:wow:

[The FallenAngel]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHOGUN RUA SIGNS A TWO FIGHT DEAL WITH UFC!!!!!!!!!!

R.I.P. Chuck Liddell
Awesome. Will Chuck even survive Rampage though?

[Butterbean]

No....Chuck will not survive Rampage nor Shogun...

I have bet 300 dollars on Rampage to beat Chack.

[C-$]

The owners of The UFC bought Pride.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=2814235

[CrypticOne]

I can't wait for the Arona fight.

[CrypticOne]

Chuck can beat Rampage. Its not like it would be a one-sided fight. Remember, Rampage just beat him once. I don't think he could do it again. Just like Couture beat Liddell once then Liddell won the next two matches between them. I can't wait for the Iceman/Rampage fight, cause I know that Liddell will win.

But if Shogun really signed with UFC, he can bury the Iceman and everybody else. Shogun is a beast.

[Butterbean]

Shogun will kill Chuck. That match should almost be outlawed.

Dana will never make it happen, wouldn't want to destroy their poster boy, Chucky Liddell.

[Tobiaswins]

I think Liddell will beat Rampage Jackson, he's improved a lot since their last fight, but you really never know. Also it looks like Couture is more then likely heading for a bout with Cro Cop. Cro Cop will most likely win, but you can never really count Couture out. Shogun seems like a great fighter, I've never really seen pride before, mainly because I don't have cable. The only reason I know what's current in UFC is because my friends have UFC parties, and I've only just recently started going.

[CrypticOne]

Shogun will kill Chuck. That match should almost be outlawed.

Dana will never make it happen, wouldn't want to destroy their poster boy, Chucky Liddell.

Yeah its going to happen. Thats why UFC did the contract. They wouldn't put a 2-Fight contract on the table for Shogun just to fight some weak links. He'll fight the best.

[Butterbean]

Yeah its going to happen. Thats why UFC did the contract. They wouldn't put a 2-Fight contract on the table for Shogun just to fight some weak links. He'll fight the best.

They put him a 2 fight deal to destroy other sorry wannabes to make a good show. No way they will match him with Chuck, UFC and Dana knows Shogun would hurt Chucky, thus confusing the newbies, such as most members on this forum.

[CrypticOne]

They put him a 2 fight deal to destroy other sorry wannabes to make a good show. No way they will match him with Chuck, UFC and Dana knows Shogun would hurt Chucky, thus confusing the newbies, such as most members on this forum.

Dude, Dana said it himself. Check YouTube. He has a interview on there.

[Butterbean]

^^ Link ??

[CrypticOne]

^ Let me find it.

[CrypticOne]

Hell yeah, I just found out Liddell is taking on Rampage at UFC 71. The Iceman is going to get his revenge!

[Badger]

They put him a 2 fight deal to destroy other sorry wannabes to make a good show. No way they will match him with Chuck, UFC and Dana knows Shogun would hurt Chucky, thus confusing the newbies, such as most members on this forum.

Dude, Dana said it himself. Check YouTube. He has a interview on there.

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/index.php?mainpage=news&news_id=1034

[CrypticOne]

^ Yep. You see?

[Butterbean]

^^ He was randomly talking. He didn't say anything would be official. You guys really don't know Dana White and his business tactics, do u?

U guys really think Dana White will give everyone dream matches instead of TUF seasons 2 fighters, you're dellusional. The "UFC Casual" fan won't pay money to see guys they never heard of. They want their Deigo Sanchez and Josh Koscheck, not Shogun, Fedor, or Minotauro.

Dana White does not catter to hardcore MMA fans.

[jaguarr]

Ummm....I think after the UFC watching crowd gets a whiff of Shogun and Fedor they're going to want a lot more. White will give the crowd what they want, THAT is his business tactic. That's why he clings to and protects the big names he's got right now like Liddell, Couture & Hughs. At a certain point, the demand to see his current big names go up against these other guys after they've torn through the rest of the roster. Or maybe he'll go ahead and give all the Shogun vs. Fedor speculators what they've been whining for for years, now, despite the weight difference. Hey...it's Dana White....anything is possible (especially with Lorenzo and Fertita having more than a passing say about what goes on in UFC). Plus, (and it's been awhile since I've followed Pride too in depth) but I believe Shogun started competing up a weight class in Fedor's division so that he wouldn't have to challenge his teammate, Silva, for the middleweight belt. I seem to recall Coleman beating him about a year ago, too. Don't know how he's done since then, or if he's even continued to compete as a heavyweight.

jag

[Butterbean]

Coleman did not beat him like your thinking.

Coleman shot in for a take down, and Shogun based wrong and broke his arm.

It's not like Coleman did anything impressive in that fight, no one ever considers that fight legit, most wanted that fight to be a No Contest......

Dana just announced he is changing the Pride rules, and there will be no more stomps to head, knees, etc....

The hardcore MMA world is outraged.

[jaguarr]

I didn't see the fight, so I really can't say. I just remember hearing that Coleman had won it, not how he won it. Kind of sad to see the rules being sanitized already, but I figured that was coming. At least the fighters will have better longevity, I guess, though the fights won't be as brutal to watch anymore.

jag