Batman Triumphant

[House_of_El]

I didnt see any other thread on this so I thought I would make one. Batman Triumphant was to be the sequel to the critically and commercially unsuccessful film "Batman & Robin."Joel Shumacher was to direct the film. The Scarecrow was set to be the main villain of the film, with actors such as Howard Stern, Jeremy Irons, and Steve Buscemi considered for the part. Also the film would of had Jack Nicholson reprise his role as The Joker, who was killed by Batman in the first film and would haunt Bruce/Batman as a hallucination caused by Crane's toxin. Also it was rumored that Harley Quinn would appear as Joker's daughter instead of his lover as she is in the comics. George Clooney would have reprised his role as Batman and Chris O' Donnell would have reprised his role as Robin as well as Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl. The film would probably have Robin and Batgirl killed off at some point in the movie, which would return Batman to his solo roots once more.Also it was confirmed that it would be darker than the previous two.It was set for release in 1999 to coincide with Batman's 60th anniversary in the comics. But after the failure of Batman & Robin, the project was dropped.

What do you think this movie would have been like? Personally I would have seen it. It seems like Shumacher wanted to really redeem himself.

[Kevin Roegele]

Batman Triumphant was to be the sequel to the critically and commercially unsuccessful film "Batman & Robin."

As far as I know, Batman 5 was never to be called Batman Triumphant.

Batman Triumphant was the original name for Batman 4 when Kilmer was still onboard.

[Kevin Roegele]

I didnt see any other thread on this so I thought I would make one. Batman Triumphant was to be the sequel to the critically and commercially unsuccessful film "Batman & Robin."Joel Shumacher was to direct the film. The Scarecrow was set to be the main villain of the film, with actors such as Howard Stern, Jeremy Irons, and Steve Buscemi considered for the part. Also the film would of had Jack Nicholson reprise his role as The Joker, who was killed by Batman in the first film and would haunt Bruce/Batman as a hallucination caused by Crane's toxin. Also it was rumored that Harley Quinn would appear as Joker's daughter instead of his lover as she is in the comics. George Clooney would have reprised his role as Batman and Chris O' Donnell would have reprised his role as Robin as well as Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl. The film would probably have Robin and Batgirl killed off at some point in the movie, which would return Batman to his solo roots once more.Also it was confirmed that it would be darker than the previous two.It was set for release in 1999 to coincide with Batman's 60th anniversary in the comics. But after the failure of Batman & Robin, the project was dropped.

What do you think this movie would have been like? Personally I would have seen it. It seems like Shumacher wanted to really redeem himself.

Robin wouldn't have died. It was Warner Bros who pushed from the very beginning to have Robin in the films, and had Batman & Robin been a hit, they wouldn't have let him be killed off.

It's also not true that anyone was seriously considered for the Scarecrow. The movie was just not that far into pre-production.

There is some validity in the suggestion of Nicholson returning as the Joker. In a 1998 press conference, he announced, "The Joker is coming - and that's no laughing matter!"

Shumacher had also become so fascinated by CGI that he wanted to introduce Batmite, according to Total Film magazine.

[BatMatt]

I want to read the script, but alas its never been released

[Noir]

Okay, I really want to know about this movie, do you guys have any info? I was on Wikipedia and they basicly just said it was cancelled. Was there a script or anything? Plot outlines? I know the Joker was gonna come back.. but thats it. Do you think it would have been a good film?

[Kevin Roegele]

Okay, I really want to know about this movie, do you guys have any info? I was on Wikipedia and they basicly just said it was cancelled. Was there a script or anything? Plot outlines? I know the Joker was gonna come back.. but thats it. Do you think it would have been a good film?

Number one common misconception.....it was never called Batman Triumphant. That was an early title for Batman & Robin.

[Rockbottom]

From what ive read, it was suppose to have the Scarecrow drug Batman, but it knocks him out and makes him dream that all the past criminals are back, including Joker and also Harley Quinn was to be included. Good concept (next to B&R) but under Shumakers direction and Clooneys Batman, it was never gonna be a good film.

[Agentsands77]

Number one common misconception.....it was never called Batman Triumphant. That was an early title for Batman & Robin.
Yeah... wasn't the title BATMAN: DARKNIGHT? I remember seeing a prototype logo that had been developed for it.

[Kevin Roegele]

Yeah... wasn't the title BATMAN: DARKNIGHT? I remember seeing a prototype logo that had been developed for it.

Yes is was, good call. :up:

[Kevin Roegele]

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.


Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

- The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

- Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

- Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

- Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

- Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

- Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie.

[Van Petrol]

Yeah... wasn't the title BATMAN: DARKNIGHT? I remember seeing a prototype logo that had been developed for it.

I heard it was going to be called "Batman: The Dark Knight".

[Agentsands77]

I heard it was going to be called "Batman: The Dark Knight".
I'm 99.9% sure it was the single word, "Darknight" (though of course, this was a working title). As I said before, I saw the prototype logo.

[Furious Styles]

Isn't this somewhat reminiscent of Timothy Dalton's third outing as Bond, where everyone today assumes it was going to be called "A Property of A Lady" even though there is no indication that it would infact be given that title.

Although the fact that Nicholson confirmed his return as The Joker is absolutely mindblowing.

[Agentsands77]

Although the fact that Nicholson confirmed his return as The Joker is absolutely mindblowing.
Yeah... and I remember when he did that. I was jazzed.

[Noir]

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.


Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

- The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

- Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

- Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

- Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

- Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

- Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie.



Sounds really cool! Would batmite have been an halucination of Dick?

[Texas Ranger]

yeah it was going to be called batman triuphant

[Kevin Roegele]

Although the fact that Nicholson confirmed his return as The Joker is absolutely mindblowing.

He never confirmed it. When asked about his Joker statement, he just brushed it off and said it didn't mean anything.

[Kevin Roegele]

Sounds really cool! Would batmite have been an halucination of Dick?

Who knows? Logically I can only think he would be in someone's hallucination.

[Noir]

Didn't someone say he told them
"Joker's coming back, and thats no laughing matter."

[Kevin Roegele]

Didn't someone say he told them
"Joker's coming back, and thats no laughing matter."

Yes, at a press conference, but that's not the same as saying, "I've signed to appear in the next Batman movie." No actual confirmation of anything ever appeared.

[Noir]

okay.
Well, it didn't happen..
I really wish it did..
Schumacher could have made a really good Year One, he would have used the Fabric suit too I bet..

[El Payaso]

Simple. It would be the same plot than in BF, repeated in B&R, only with more crappy characters.

[Nepenthes]

Well if Batman&Robin was exponentially worse than Batman Forever, then Batman Triumphant would have been horrible on a level indescribable by contemporary mathematics.


that analogy sounded better in my head

[Cobblepot]

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.


Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

- The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

- Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

- Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

- Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

- Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

- Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie.

All sounds great, except for the mite offcourse...

[Two-Face]

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.


Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

Bit like Batman Begins where Scarecrow hallucinates Batman in Narrow apartment.

- Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

Cool I would love to read that storyline.

- Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

Wife or daughter? that sounds crap, she's nothging like that in TAS or comics.

- Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

Cool but what about Babara?

- Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

I don't like that at all.

- Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

NO I'm glad that didn't happen.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie

Yay! Batman & Robin was crap enough and BT would been bit better.

[Van Petrol]

I'm 99.9% sure it was the single word, "Darknight" (though of course, this was a working title). As I said before, I saw the prototype logo.

What did it look like?...

[Noir]

Where did you see the prototype?

[Noir]

....Wow..

[batmaluco]

creepy n' crappy

Was there involved a Clayface? :woot:

[Juggernaut33]

What did it look like?...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Batman_5.jpg/800px-Batman_5.jpg

[Tojo]

Your joking right ^^^^

I like the idea of a horse chase through dark woods, that sounds absolutley inspired.

[Noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Batman_5.jpg/800px-Batman_5.jpg
Cool. I think that would have looked sweet.

[batman11]

Here's something you might find interesting. Its a list of acotrs who were considered fro certain parts, and according to this site, it was to be called Batman Triumphant.

Steve Buscemi was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Clooney was going to reprise his role as Batman prior to the film's cancellation.

Brad Dourif was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Robert Englund was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Jeff Goldblum was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Jeremy Irons was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Christopher Lloyd was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Madonna was reportedly going to play Harley Quinn, who would be the Joker's daughter rather than his lover.

Jenny McCarthy was considered for the role of Harley Quinn.

Jack Nicholson was to reprise his role as the Joker - resurrected as a hallucination in Batman's mind. The fim was cancelled.

O'Donnell was going to reprise his role as Robin, prior to the film's cancellation.

Kurt Russell was considered for the role of batman.

Schumacher was signed on to direct prior to the films cancellation.

Howard Stern was seriously considered for a role prior to the films cancellation.

Jennifer Tilly was considered for the role of Harley Quinn.

[Kevin Roegele]

Here's something you might find interesting. Its a list of acotrs who were considered fro certain parts, and according to this site, it was to be called Batman Triumphant.

Steve Buscemi was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Clooney was going to reprise his role as Batman prior to the film's cancellation.

Brad Dourif was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Robert Englund was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Jeff Goldblum was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Jeremy Irons was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Christopher Lloyd was considered for the role of the scarecrow.

Madonna was reportedly going to play Harley Quinn, who would be the Joker's daughter rather than his lover.

Jenny McCarthy was considered for the role of Harley Quinn.

Jack Nicholson was to reprise his role as the Joker - resurrected as a hallucination in Batman's mind. The fim was cancelled.

O'Donnell was going to reprise his role as Robin, prior to the film's cancellation.

Kurt Russell was considered for the role of batman.

Schumacher was signed on to direct prior to the films cancellation.

Howard Stern was seriously considered for a role prior to the films cancellation.

Jennifer Tilly was considered for the role of Harley Quinn.

Much of that is rumour and hearsay. What's more, think logically. The Batman movies, at that point, were only casting the biggest Hollywood stars as villains. Jim Carrey, Arnold Schwarzenegger....whilst I can easily belive Madonna as Harley Quinn, Robert Englund as the Scarecrow? No.

[IzzyJG99]

All I can say is..I'm glad this wasn't made. It makes my heart hurt.

[batman11]

Much of that is rumour and hearsay. What's more, think logically. The Batman movies, at that point, were only casting the biggest Hollywood stars as villains. Jim Carrey, Arnold Schwarzenegger....whilst I can easily belive Madonna as Harley Quinn, Robert Englund as the Scarecrow? No.

Oh I completely agree. They were only looking for big names hence the list of actors. BTW, does anyone remembering hearing the rumour that Robin and Batgril go away to college and are then murdered? What was Shumacher thinking lol? Sure the film would be dark, but you're killing 2 extremely important people, 1 of which was just introduced. :ninja:

[Noir]

Oh I completely agree. They were only looking for big names hence the list of actors. BTW, does anyone remembering hearing the rumour that Robin and Batgril go away to college and are then murdered? What was Shumacher thinking lol? Sure the film would be dark, but you're killing 2 extremely important people, 1 of which was just introduced. :ninja:

I heard Batgirl was going to get killed off.. but nothing of Robin.

[El Payaso]

Big names were always attached to villains yes. But Arnold and Uma gave their worst performances ever in B&R.

[union_jak]

I heard about Madonna being lined up to play a 'Ms Joker' and Claire Danes as Harley Quinn, way back in 1998.

[Nepenthes]

man the late 90's sucked

[SHADOWBAT69]

The whole Howard Stern thing was started by stern himself. He said in a broadcast that if they did indeed include Scarecrow he would do it. All that was started by him and him alone.

I also have an article that was in Wizard that was talking about the sequel and it stated that possibly Mad Hatter could be a villain. In another article, I want to say in Variety, it was rumored Tom Cruise was interested in the part.

There were so many rumors back then it was hard to keep track of it all. The internet wasnt a real big source, it was still in its fledgling stage, most reports were thru magazines and entertainment reports. It wasnt until about 6 months after B&R that it was being thrown around that there wouldnt be another film. Which at that point I wasnt upset.

[Gotham22]

I heard Alfred was suppost to die, Batgirl gets paralized, and the theme of the movie was suppost to be like Batman and Batman Forever. there was a rumor that Manbat was suppost be in it as well.

[Noir]

I heard Alfred was suppost to die, Batgirl gets paralized, and the theme of the movie was suppost to be like Batman and Batman Forever. there was a rumor that Manbat was suppost be in it as well.
:up: That would have been nice to see.

[fabman]

Actually, the fifth Batman movie was called 'Batman Triumphant' at one point. The script Mark Prosotevich wrote in 1996 for a 1999 release was called like that but after 'Batman & Robin' turned out to be a flop the script and title were dumped.

[itsthebatman]

Didn't Clooney suggest a noir treatment? Start with Bruce at Alfred's funeral, Robin dies about ten minutes in, all with a Sam Spade-esque voiceover?

[itsthebatman]

Actually, the fifth Batman movie was called 'Batman Triumphant' at one point. The script Mark Prosotevich wrote in 1996 for a 1999 release was called like that but after 'Batman & Robin' turned out to be a flop the script and title were dumped.

Is this the one where Bruce was in Arkham Asylum at the start of the script?

[fabman]

Yes, I think Arkham played an important part. Not sure though...

[Two-Face]

I thought Arkham opening scene was in Batman: The Frightening

[fabman]

Could be. Don't know. The only thing I know for sure is that Mark Prosotevich's script was called 'Batman Triumphant' and that it was written in 1996 for a 1999 release but the movie was dumped after the catastrophal box office results of 'Batman & Robin.'

[Two-Face]

Could be. Don't know. The only thing I know for sure is that Mark Prosotevich's script was called 'Batman Triumphant' and that it was written in 1996 for a 1999 release but the movie was dumped after the catastrophal box office results of 'Batman & Robin.'

Well I didn't read the infro on BT but I read a script for BTF a long time ago and it is from the unofficial Chris Nolan website:

http://www.christophernolan.net/files/batman-the_frightening.txt

[Noir]

Well I didn't read the infro on BT but I read a script for BTF a long time ago and it is from the unofficial Chris Nolan website:

http://www.christophernolan.net/files/batman-the_frightening.txt
:up: :up:

[gadgetfusion]

It's important here to remember that Schumacher's plans for Batman 5 changed considerably over time. At first it was a straight sequel to B&R, then it became darker (he said he, 'owed the fans' the Batman movie they wanted). Then he was the first to suggest a Year One movie to the Warner Bros board, which did go into some stage of pre-production.


Anyway, here is what Total Film magazine reported in the late 90's:

- The Scarecrow makes Batman hallucinate previous enemies, although the only actor genuinely considered for this was Jack Nicholson

- Nicholson said in a 1997 press-conference, "The Joker is coming, and that's no laughing matter." He also told the press he wrote a storyline of how the Joker could return.

- Harley Quinn would either be the Joker's wife or daughter, out for revenge.

- Dick goes to college where he find Jonathan Crane doing fear experiments.

- Batmobile chases the Scarecrow on horseback thru dark woods in a homage to Sleepy Hollow (not the film).

- Schumacher was so fascinated by CGI he wanted to create Batmite.

- Would have been Schumacher's last movie.

Wow, that looks like it would've been worse than B&R!

Joel Schumacher and Bat-Mite would've been a terrible combination. Bat-Mite's awesome and all but he's about as gay as Batsuit nipples. I also heard that Harley Quinn was going to be Joker's daughter, which is just wrong. The Batmobile-horse chase in the woods sounds stupid. There's no word on Batgirl which sucks. Scarecrow sounds good, but Joel might've screwed him up terribly. Jack Nicholson returning as The Joker sounds like the only thing good about the movie.

But still, if it was actually released, I probably would've seen it anyways.

[The Shredder]

Well from what has been posted about the premise, it certainly seems it had alot more potential to be something memorable unlike the crap that is Batman & Robin. Seeing Jack Nicholson reprise the role of The Joker might have been worth the price of admission alone. As I've read that playing The Joker was one of his favourite roles. Not to mention, most lucrative as well.

I remember watching a quick behind the scenes special on B&R back in 1997, with Dan Rather (I think) adding that Shumacher plans to make another Batman film sooner rather than later, which would feature, The Joker's Wife. Which of course, was supposed to be Harley Quinn. Although I've read the Harley character was supposed to be anyone from Alicia from Batman 1989, to Jack Napier's very own daughter seeking revenge for her father's death. Another thing I remember quite vividly, is Howard Stern's annoying lobbying to play the part of The Scarecrow. Which isnt surprising since he just completed Private Parts. Although I believe Schumacher shot that idea down. Had no idea about Bat-Mite being included into the film, but that doesnt sound too hot to me. But it's plausible since thats yet another Bat-Toy they could have sold from the merchandise machine.

[Two-Face]

I'm glad it wasn't made, sounds worse then Batman & Robin.

[Noir]

I read on BOF that it wasn't batmite it was Man-bat.

[gadgetfusion]

I read on BOF that it wasn't batmite it was Man-bat.

That was for an early Batman Triumphant script (called Batman Darknight) which had a Scarecrow/Man-Bat villain team.

[Noir]

That was for an early Batman Triumphant script (called Batman Darknight) which had a Scarecrow/Man-Bat villain team.
I'd have seen that flick.

[Mr. Socko]

Was gonna have Man-Bat, Scarecrow, and Harley from what I've heard.

[The Shredder]

Certainly seems like it would have been much darker in overall tone than what we saw with the "toy-etic", and equally craptacular, B&R.

[Mr. Socko]

Still would have had the awesome neon city.

[The Shredder]

Just not to the B&R neon extent hopefully.

[BurtonBegan]

Sounds terrible, schumacer is a dick and just didnt know what he was doing. Batman and robin is on sky one as I write this and its sickening

[Two-Face]

Sounds terrible, schumacer is a dick and just didnt know what he was doing. Batman and robin is on sky one as I write this and its sickening

I just skipped Sky One, good thing I did.

[Blade90]

For the people who were asking for it awhile back, here was the supposed new Bat symbol for 'Batman Triumphant':
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/ghostdance111/Batman_Wallpaper.png

Weird looking, if you ask me. I don't why people are saying Clooney was bad. I'd blame it on the script and director, to be honest. He certainly had the 'Bruce Wayne look' and if he'd done the raspy voice effort, he probably wouldve made a good Batman.

[Noir]

For the people who were asking for it awhile back, here was the supposed new Bat symbol for 'Batman Triumphant':
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/ghostdance111/Batman_Wallpaper.png

Weird looking, if you ask me. I don't why people are saying Clooney was bad. I'd blame it on the script and director, to be honest. He certainly had the 'Bruce Wayne look' and if he'd done the raspy voice effort, he probably wouldve made a good Batman.That was the Movie logo not the actual Batlogo.

[fabman]

I think that's what he meant...

[lordofthenerds]

For the people who were asking for it awhile back, here was the supposed new Bat symbol for 'Batman Triumphant':
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/ghostdance111/Batman_Wallpaper.png

Weird looking, if you ask me. I don't why people are saying Clooney was bad. I'd blame it on the script and director, to be honest. He certainly had the 'Bruce Wayne look' and if he'd done the raspy voice effort, he probably wouldve made a good Batman.
Nice. I added "Triumphant" in there just to see how it would look..

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4826/batmanwallpaperyq5.png

[Mr. Socko]

Looks experimental, but still crap. If Batman had that on his chest I'd barf.

[theShape]

Eh. Part of me wants to see how this project would have turned out, with Nicholson as the Joker again. But most of me is glad that it never happened.

[Mr. Socko]

Nicholson must have been drugged up by Schumacher when he said he would return for Batman: Triumphant. I just can't believe an actor of such high caliber would be in kind of sequel to Batman & Robin. It's hard for me to believe. Heck, even Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't even want to be in B&R. Schumacher bugged him to death and told him if he didn't sign on the film would never be made and everything would go to waste.

On another note, I highly doubt Clooney would have returned to be Batman.

[The Shredder]

I believe one of the few hooks that may have prompted Clooney to return after B&R if yet another Schumacher sequel was given the greenlight, would be the idea that he could return the franchise back to the success that it had previously seen prior to the B&R effort. Clooney has gone public about his feelings that he was one of the major contributers to the death of the franchise. Batman: Triumphant may have given him an opportunity to vindicate himself a bit. But fortunately, or unfortunately, that never came to be.

As far as Nicholson goes, I've read somewhere that Nicholson has admitted that The Joker is one of his more favourite roles that he's had in his career. And is a portrayal that he himself watches from time to time as well. That right there may give one some idea why he might have been somewhat open to reprise the role of The Joker one more time, but the jury is out on whether that would have ultimately happened or not.

[Man on Fire]

I think it would of been better than batman and robin but im glad we got batman begins then triuphant

[Rockbottom]

Also Jack is such a big star that he could have a big say in the movie, if he didnt like it, more than likely they would move around it to suit him. Theres another reason.

[Gotham22]

I did here Triumphant was going to send Batman back to his darker roots.

[Blade90]

Clooney has gone public about his feelings that he was one of the major contributers to the death of the franchise. No offense, but he's full of crap. Again, did he write the script? Did he direct the film? No. Then why is he blaming himself? He came there to do a job, and he did it, no matter how bad it turned out because Shumacher DIRECTED him into doing so badly. I blame Shumacher and Akiva aswell as WB, but more WB than those two.

[The Shredder]

None taken. I theorize the reason Clooney blames himself for having a hand in B&R's failure is because he probably feels that compared to the other actor's who donned the Batsuit in the WB film series at the time, his portrayal was the weakest of the bunch. And honestly, I have to say I agree wholeheartedly. But I also agree that the film's failure wasnt exactly his fault alone either. That's silly. True, Clooney's Batman left much to be desired, but the film itself was the weakest of the Batman films to date as well, and no doubt that played a very big hand in the movie ultimately being one of the the absolute worst comic book based films of all time.

[Kevin Roegele]

As far as Nicholson goes, I've read somewhere that Nicholson has admitted that The Joker is one of his more favourite roles that he's had in his career. And is a portrayal that he himself watches from time to time as well. That right there may give one some idea why he might have been somewhat open to reprise the role of The Joker one more time, but the jury is out on whether that would have ultimately happened or not.

Nicholson was more than somewhat open to reprise the Joker, he wanted to do it. He wrote a storyline himself for the Joker's re-emergence.

[The Shredder]

Nicholson was more than somewhat open to reprise the Joker, he wanted to do it. He wrote a storyline himself for the Joker's re-emergence.
Hmm ... Any idea what that storyline may have detailed?

[Noir]

I'm interested in what it was going to be aswell.

[BubbaGump]

Hmm ... Any idea what that storyline may have detailed?

His re-emergence? :huh:

[Gotham22]

No offense, but he's full of crap. Again, did he write the script? Did he direct the film? No. Then why is he blaming himself? He came there to do a job, and he did it, no matter how bad it turned out because Shumacher DIRECTED him into doing so badly. I blame Shumacher and Akiva aswell as WB, but more WB than those two.

the script and the direction of a film can make an actor look bad.
For the WB and all I guess it looked good on paper but not of film though.

[The Shredder]

His re-emergence? :huh:
Uh ... you think?

I'm sure the storyline Nicholson presented was a bit more specific than that. And other than his great Batman deal.

[boywonder13]

arg i had a few pages from the script somwhere on my comp but i think i deleted it, ill look for it again, its on some dead batman 5 site from the 90s, gonna have to use archive.org

yah it takes place i beieve 10 years from Batman '89, and the The Joker is back.

[House_of_El]

The script?

http://www.simplyscripts.com/scripts/batman_the_dark_knight.html

[lordofthenerds]

The script?

http://www.simplyscripts.com/scripts/batman_the_dark_knight.html
Looks like a fan script, the author of it hasn't done anything else.

[House_of_El]

Looks like a fan script, the author of it hasn't done anything else.


I would have liked to see this being made into a film though.

[Noir]

The script?

http://www.simplyscripts.com/scripts/batman_the_dark_knight.htmlWow. could someone summarize this for me?

[Noir]

Tim Sale's art is not ugly :(

[Noir]

okay so it is a little ugly.

[Drake Retro]

lol nice pic!

[Agentsands77]

Yes it is. Sorry to tell the truth.
LIES! ALL LIES!

[Rorschach2012]

Schumaker said it would be the darkest film in the series. Also Babs and Grayson would die

[BatMatt]

Schumaker said it would be the darkest film in the series. Also Babs and Grayson would die

he said it'd be darker, but I believe Barbara and Dick would be at school, not dead

[Noir]

Dick was going to be at college and Barbra was going to get paralyzed by either 'Crow or by the re-emerged Joker.

[union_jak]

Dick was going to be at college and Barbra was going to get paralyzed by either 'Crow or by the re-emerged Joker.
Like a cross between The Killing Joke and Over the Edge? Sounds cool.

[Noir]

exactly.

[Noir]

Bump, need more info!

[Mr. Socko]

Was Clooney gonna return as Batman?

That would have been terrible...terrible!


I wonder how Schumacher would have brought back Joker, my guess is kinda like how it's done in RotJ

[Noir]

how is it done in Return of the Joker.

[Noir]

...Thats stupid.

I always thought it'd be cool if they went with the DKR kind of thing, the Joker went comatose after hitting the ground, he was still alive just you know, a vegatable.

Crane could be preforming a bunch of experiments on his brain and such and re-animate him or he could come back after seeing the Batman's image (just like in DKR)

it'd work, if catwoman could be resurected by alley cats, the joker could survive a fall.

[Noir]

Then What Happened Clearly something supernatural and life giving.

[Noir]

is Get Some a Twink film :D


..Anyways I've been tossing around the idea of making a Batman: Triumphant Flash Film or Flash game, I always thought it'd be cool if they a game set in the Burton/Schumacher Verse and things that have been tossed around for Triumphant seems like it'd be IMO the Best of the series, I'd love to atleast have a game with the story and settings.

[Mr. Socko]

You know how they're making video games on past movies like Scarface, Godfather, From Russia With Love, etc. I'd love if they did with with the Burton/Schumacher films.

[Noir]

I bet Jack would even voice the Joker and I'm sure Keaton would come back as Batman.

[Abaddon]

Keaton would not have come back.:down

[Noir]

^For a Video game set in the Burton Continuity?

[Abaddon]

Oh. Still no.:o

[Noir]

a boy can wish can't he.

[Mr. Socko]

They paid Sean Connery $1 Million to voice James Bond in the From Russia with Love video game.

[Kevin Roegele]

They paid Sean Connery $1 Million to voice James Bond in the From Russia with Love video game.

I hope he does a DragonHeart game next. Or better, a DragonHeart sequel. Or three sequels, shot back-to-back.

[Noir]

A Game, maybe, the movie? No, he's done with acting.

[Mr. Socko]

Connery would have been a better Batman than Clooney.

[Mr. Socko]

Kevin James would have been a better Batman then Clooney.

[Noir]

Adam West would have been a better Batman.

[Mr. Socko]

He IS a better Batman lol


I think he's a good actor, but nothing, absolutely nothing about George Clooney says "Batman" to me. He's by far the worst Batman we've ever had.

[Noir]

Clooney could play a good Bruce.

[Mr. Socko]

Clooney is just too happy in his roles imo. Well maybe I mean positive. Like I can't really see him as a dark character.


He played a great homicidal, but not maniacal, anti-hero as Seth Gecko.

[Noir]

I love the fact that all the Batman Movies put together are like that Episode of TAS called Legends of the Dark Knight, The campy, the dark, the mixed, the rubber and batmobile going up walls.

[The Shredder]

He IS a better Batman lol


I think he's a good actor, but nothing, absolutely nothing about George Clooney says "Batman" to me. He's by far the worst Batman we've ever had.
Agreed.

Even as Bruce, Clooney was just Clooney to me. Mannerisms and all.

[Kevin Roegele]

A Game, maybe, the movie? No, he's done with acting.

I know he is, I'm joking.

[xc37runner]

Does anybody have anything close to a review of the script or even parts of it? I remember a few years back that there was a script that was called "Batman Triumphant," but the actual script has been locked away in the WB vault for years apparently. Any information on this or where I might find a script of what this movie was supposed to be?

[The Guard]

I know where you can find a BATMAN TRIUMPHANT script...not THE script, but...

http://www.batmanfanfilms.com/scripts/download.php?id=2&fanscript=59

[batboy99]

is that fan script any good?I wanna know just so i dont waste my time

[batboy99]

NVM, im reading it, wow its actually really interesting! Now i really wish this movie was made........:(

Im working on a GIF(hopefully) of Batman:Triumphant based on this script.

[BatJeff7786]

I got 6 pages into that script before I stopped. Almost as bad as B & R in terms of dialog.

[batboy99]

i dont see a problem with the dialogue, its robin and batgirl talking like that, they're the ''jokers'', so i can handle it, as long as Batman isnt talking like that. The story itself is pretty good. For some odd reason, while im reading this, it reminds me of a live action version of that one TNBA episode with scarecrow that batgirl ''dies'' etc.

[The Guard]

I got 6 pages into that script before I stopped. Almost as bad as B & R in terms of dialog.

Not sure how you could make that call after six pages. Most of the truly cheesy/bad dialogue doesn't show up until page 12 or so.

I cowrote this with a friend. BATMAN TRIUMPHANT is the first "serious" script attempt I ever made. I'm sure that issues with pacing, etc, will stick out like a sore thumb, and I had yet to master the screenplay.

That said, I am aware that the dialogue in the beginning, especially those first few pages, is awful, cheesy, etc. There's a bit of tongue in cheek, and that was very much intentional. Trust me, they don't talk like that throughout, and they actually get pretty serious later on. I wanted to show that, over the last few years, since BATMAN & ROBIN, Gotham had faced nothing but wannabe supervillains (There are references to Killer Moth, Catman, King Tut, The Clock King and Egghead in the script), and that The Bat-Family had become a superhero response team of sorts. The appearance of The Scarecrow represented the end of the lighthearted times, and the beginning of new conflict. The script is based on my own ideas about where the franchise (the current franchise with BATMAN & ROBIN) should have gone had it not died, and it incorporates some of the "rumors" and "fanboy wishing" into it.

My goal was to continune the franchise's storylines, but return it to it's darker roots, without completely ignoring the events of lightheartedness of the previous two films. I wanted to present characters people could relate to and grow attached to, and I wanted to evolve several of them, and gradually return to the dark, grim world of Burton's Batman (similar to the way the comic Batmythology evolved from dark to lighter and back to dark), while at the same time, moving toward the comic books as an influence. I introduced several "new" characters in the script, an older, movie version of the GCPD's Harvey Bullock among them.

Ironically, this script opens with a bank robbery, a la THE DARK KNIGHT. It isn't brilliant, but it's got flashbacks to The Joker, Harvey Dent, Dick quitting being Robin and even Chase Meridian and the final fate of Gossip Gerty. Give it 30 pages. If you still hate it, feel free to hate it. If nothing else, you will love Gossip Gerty's role in the end.

Until it was decided for the series to be restarted, everyone thought that there was hope for the series after B&R came out if they released a film returning Batman to his dark roots...

If there was such a film...this would be its screenplay. It provides a nice gradual transition from the B&R-like days to the atmosphere we had in the first film that started it all.

All the characters seem to evolve from campy caricatures to their comic book counterparts.

[batboy99]

The Guard- So far, i think its really good, so thanks for writing it :) its one of the few fan scripts im actually able to sit through and read

[The Guard]

If you like that one, I did a sequel to it, THE DARK KNIGHT featuring Ra's Al Ghul, and a Batman origin story called BATMAN: GENESIS that's on the same site.

[batboy99]

Cool :), ill probably read those after i finish this one.

[BatJeff7786]

Not sure how you could make that call after six pages. Most of the truly cheesy/bad dialogue doesn't show up until page 12 or so.

I cowrote this with a friend. BATMAN TRIUMPHANT is the first "serious" script attempt I ever made. I'm sure that issues with pacing, etc, will stick out like a sore thumb, and I had yet to master the screenplay.

That said, I am aware that the dialogue in the beginning, especially those first few pages, is awful, cheesy, etc. There's a bit of tongue in cheek, and that was very much intentional. Trust me, they don't talk like that throughout, and they actually get pretty serious later on. I wanted to show that, over the last few years, since BATMAN & ROBIN, Gotham had faced nothing but wannabe supervillains (There are references to Killer Moth, Catman, King Tut, The Clock King and Egghead in the script), and that The Bat-Family had become a superhero response team of sorts. The appearance of The Scarecrow represented the end of the lighthearted times, and the beginning of new conflict. The script is based on my own ideas about where the franchise (the current franchise with BATMAN & ROBIN) should have gone had it not died, and it incorporates some of the "rumors" and "fanboy wishing" into it.

My goal was to continune the franchise's storylines, but return it to it's darker roots, without completely ignoring the events of lightheartedness of the previous two films. I wanted to present characters people could relate to and grow attached to, and I wanted to evolve several of them, and gradually return to the dark, grim world of Burton's Batman (similar to the way the comic Batmythology evolved from dark to lighter and back to dark), while at the same time, moving toward the comic books as an influence. I introduced several "new" characters in the script, an older, movie version of the GCPD's Harvey Bullock among them.

Ironically, this script opens with a bank robbery, a la THE DARK KNIGHT. It isn't brilliant, but it's got flashbacks to The Joker, Harvey Dent, Dick quitting being Robin and even Chase Meridian and the final fate of Gossip Gerty. Give it 30 pages. If you still hate it, feel free to hate it. If nothing else, you will love Gossip Gerty's role in the end.

Until it was decided for the series to be restarted, everyone thought that there was hope for the series after B&R came out if they released a film returning Batman to his dark roots...

If there was such a film...this would be its screenplay. It provides a nice gradual transition from the B&R-like days to the atmosphere we had in the first film that started it all.

All the characters seem to evolve from campy caricatures to their comic book counterparts.
Sorry for coming off like a dick. Good luck with it man. I'm writing a screenplay too. Sometimes it's hard to write dialog that sounds good, I know I have trouble. I'll give it another shot later. Promise.

[The Guard]

You didn't come off like a dick. I'm just pointing out...it's supposed to be cheesy as hell. At first.

[batboy99]

Well, i think those cheesey remarks fit well in those few parts, and it is nice to have hints at other villians

[The Guard]

I think my favorite cheesy line of the script is:

BATGIRL
Nice outfit.

ROBIN
At least we got rid of the nipples.

BATGIRL
I liked them.

[Majik1387]

Guard, where can I see the script/screenplay?

[The Guard]

Check above, there's a link to it in post #122. It's not the real TRIUMPHANT script, it's one I wrote a long time ago.

[Majik1387]

Ok, thanks.

[COMPO]

Guard read both of your story. still have to read Genesis. but, areyou doing a sequel to Dark Knight and will the partnership be more at the forefront this time. cos you seem to be comfortable with Batman being solo

[batboy99]

I think my favorite cheesy line of the script is:

BATGIRL
Nice outfit.

ROBIN
At least we got rid of the nipples.

BATGIRL
I liked them.
I actually really like that line!

[COMPO]

yeah i did. I mean, it established that tehy were in relationship and was kind a thing a couple would say.

[The Guard]

Guard read both of your story. still have to read Genesis. but, areyou doing a sequel to Dark Knight and will the partnership be more at the forefront this time. cos you seem to be comfortable with Batman being solo

When you say sequel to DARK KNIGHT, are you talking about the script that has Ra's Al Ghul, Talia, Batgirl, the introduction of Nightwing and Tim Drake? My goal was to show that while Batman was a loner, he would need allies from time to time. I won't be writing sequels, period. I wrote these back in 2002 or so, when I was first starting to write, and have since moved on to other projects. I did start writing a sequel to BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT called BATMAN: THE SHADOW OF THE BAT that featured Batman working to train Tim Drake as the new Robin. They tangled with Clayface in the beginning (turned out to be a simulation), and the villain was Hugo Strange. Nightwing and Batgirl went off on their own, although they did have a role in the story.

I don't mind Batman working with Robin, and I actually rather enjoy writing that dynamic. After SHADOW OF THE BAT it would have been BATMAN AND SUPERMAN. I kicked around a ROBIN script that featured Anarky and The Spoiler, but only wrote about half that one.

[ThreeActRomance]

i actually maniped that logo for my Batman Beyond / Venom crossover fan fic. It's pretty cool honestly.

[RobC]

Woah, this thread has been resurected!