Rate and Discuss the Transformation!

[FlameHead]

Although it only happens within a few seconds, it was always slowed down for us on the pages. We seen his flesh melt from the burning hellfire trying to escape.

Will we see this on film? Will that be too much gore for the film?

I personally think a slowed down version of the transformation is needed and I for one would miss it.

[BIGGUN]

i think we will see it....maybe a slow change for Blaze's first time turning into GR. the other times would be fast/offscreen. you really only need to show the slow/painfull one no more than once...the audience will get the idea after that.
i agree that its important for the audience understand that changing into GR is not a pleasant thing. not only do you give complete contol of your body to a demon but basically "burn and melt" every time you do it....ouch. would just relay to to audience how much Blaze is willing to suffer in order to save Roxanne.

[FlameHead]

Precisly. I knew you'd understand where I was coming from. You're right that it's only needed once as well. The rest can just be flashed of fire enfulfing his body and within seconds, he is turned. But just once, there needs to be melting flesh and pain.

[BIGGUN]

i had mentioned this before in the big assed GR thread (heh) but it would be awesome to have a scene where Blaze is chasing some bad guys on a highway at night riding his bike. you see him start to smoke and soon he emulates into a huge fireball...which out of it rides GR on his Hellcycle...laughing.

[FlameHead]

oh yeah... now that would be sweet. They have so much visual greatness to use and each transformation (which I assume there won't be a whole lot of them) can be different.

[Hunter Rider]

i had mentioned this before in the big assed GR thread (heh) but it would be awesome to have a scene where Blaze is chasing some bad guys on a highway at night riding his bike. you see him start to smoke and soon he emulates into a huge fireball...which out of it rides GR on his Hellcycle...laughing.I agree the transformation needs to be seen(just once) so the audience really understands the sacrifice of Blaze.
I really wan't the above seen by BIGGUN to be in the movie and if its not in he will be to blame for mine and anyone else who's read its disapointment .:) :ghost:

[BIGGUN]

I really want the above seen by BIGGUN to be in the movie and if its not in he will be to blame for mine and anyone else who's read its disapointment .:) :ghost:


heh...jeeze i dont know if that should be taken as a compliment or a threat! :)
you hear that MSJ? my butt is on the line now dude....you gotta put some of my stuff in your movie! help!! heh

[DarkKnightJRK]

While the first transformation will most likely be amazing, I think a lot of the audience (and myself) will be wondering this: how does he change back?

[Hunter Rider]

Here is a couple of pics i found and didn't want to open a seperate thread for them.I know most of you will probably have seen them before especially BIGGUN and Flamehead as i think they are actually Blaze and Ketch(they can argue over which is which)as they seem to know everything GR:)
Anyway for anybody who hasn't seen them here you go:ghost: :)

http://www.davedevries.com/Dave/Marvel%20Comics/GHOST%20RIDER.jpg

http://keymi3.free.fr/Comics/Julie%20Bell%20-%20Ghost%20Rider%20vs.%20Blackout.jpg

[Crowley9]

Not to mention that repeatedly showing the transformation would probably hike up the MPAA rating...

[FlameHead]

While the first transformation will most likely be amazing, I think a lot of the audience (and myself) will be wondering this: how does he change back?

The same way, but instead of flesh melting, it reappears and slides into place until he's whole again. It's like reverse melting... like the fire turns into flesh and as it cools it sets. There is no explination how and there needn't be. It's mystical, it's the devil... suspend your disbelief.

Here is a couple of pics i found and didn't want to open a seperate thread for them.I know most of you will probably have seen them before especially BIGGUN and Flamehead as i think they are actually Blaze and Ketch(they can argue over which is which)as they seem to know everything GR:)
Anyway for anybody who hasn't seen them here you go:ghost: :)

http://www.davedevries.com/Dave/Marvel%20Comics/GHOST%20RIDER.jpg

http://keymi3.free.fr/Comics/Julie%20Bell%20-%20Ghost%20Rider%20vs.%20Blackout.jpg

Actually, the guy with the white hair is Blackout which means that the Ghost rider pictured is of Dan Ketch fame, whose name is Noble Kale.

I love that picture, btw.

[Hunter Rider]

Glad you liked the pic-Please explain Noble Kale-I'm A GR rookie but eager to learn. :) :ghost:

[LastSunrise1981]

You think Ghost Rider will have a Directors Cut too? I'm guessing and by reading the descriptions of his transformations, they should just save the PG-13 and make it rated R instead.
But either way I believe they're trying to make it available to kids. There's nothing light hearted or pure about a demon possessed human with a flaming skull.

Do you think they could still be graphic and violent with his transformation? Yet not really showing the blood and guts? Like showing skin and blood dripping to the floor, then eventually you see the Ghost Rider in all his evil glory? If the PG-13 rating sticks, then I think it's safe to say there will be a Directors Cut. :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

[DarkKnightJRK]

The same way, but instead of flesh melting, it reappears and slides into place until he's whole again. It's like reverse melting... like the fire turns into flesh and as it cools it sets. There is no explination how and there needn't be. It's mystical, it's the devil... suspend your disbelief.

It was less suspending my disbelief but more asking how his skin reappears after changing back. I wasn't sure if maybe the fire goes out and his skin just reappears or something like that.

Thanks for answering though. :)

[BIGGUN]

You think Ghost Rider will have a Directors Cut too?


i bet there will be...if you look at current trends at dvds its almost for certain. the Dawn of the Dead remake dvd came out in 2 versions...Daredevil (naturally)...and just recently they announced that The Grudge would come out in a unrated version as well. Shoot even George Romero's Land of the Dead (currently shooting in Canada) will be released as a rated R film...but they plan on releasing a uncut version on dvd as well. they are even doing actual full on zombie flesh eating scenes just for the uncut version.
its a way to make more $$ and keep the fans happy....gotta love dvds :)

[Dr.Dude]

I'd like if Blaze doesn't know the transformation is coming at first, and because it's the first time he changes, it takes a slightly prolonged amount of time and buildup for it to finally happen. Throughout the day his skin is getting more and more scratchy, starting to almost peel off, etc. until night falls and it suddenly starts to melt off his face, him not having any idea what's happening to him.

For parts that might push it past the PG-13 thing, you can have glimpes of the melting flesh, flames slowly covering it then cut to a sillohette or something with Blaze's screaming being impossible not to hear. The most important thing is to immediately get the feeling across that turning into a demonic entity like Ghost Rider is friggin' painful as hell. ;)

[FlameHead]

Glad you liked the pic-Please explain Noble Kale-I'm A GR rookie but eager to learn. :) :ghost:

Noble Kale is to Dan Ketch what Zarathos is to Johnny Blaze. It's the entity that is actually Ghost Rider. Instead of me trying to explain his history here, I suggest just visiting the Vengeance Unbound (http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/incarnations.html) website which has a really great history lesson of our flaming friend.

If that doesn't help, nothing will... but feel free to ask more questions

[badash55]

I don't know if they could get away with melting skin for PG-13, so I'd imagine that they would probably do something along the lines of that concept drawing of the transformation that Bernie Wrightson did when Stephen Norrington/David Goyer were attached. And I agree with BIGGUN that it should not be protrayed as a pleasant feeling.

[BIGGUN]

melting skin can easily make it into a PG 13 film...Raiders of the Lost Ark had an excellent face melt scene and it was PG. Poltergeist even had a dude rip his own face off in bloody chunks and it was just PG.
even check out Hellboy...there are a few melt scenes in that one too....Rasputin at the beginning got it bad.

[FlameHead]

Yeah, I think you can get away with quite a lot more than you think with a PG-13 rating. R-ratings are hard to come by these days.

Pleasent feeling badash55? No... not at all, especially when he starts to fight the transformation... now that would be painfull.

[Hunter Rider]

Noble Kale is to Dan Ketch what Zarathos is to Johnny Blaze. It's the entity that is actually Ghost Rider. Instead of me trying to explain his history here, I suggest just visiting the Vengeance Unbound (http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/incarnations.html) website which has a really great history lesson of our flaming friend.


If that doesn't help, nothing will... but feel free to ask more questionsThanks for the link
Here is another 1 for you What was the last GR graphicnovel printed? you might have noticed i got an avatar wadda you reckon ?:) :ghost:

[FlameHead]

for that information, I suggest you do a search for Ghost Rider at the following wonderful website. http://www.comicspriceguide.com/

You finally got your avatar eh? Looks great and it's always nice to see another Ghosts Rider pic on these boards.

[FlameHead]

Question on the Transformation; when do you think it will happen? Will it be like the early stories and happen when night hits or do you think it'll happen whenever Ghosty feels like Vengence should be served? Do you think he'll have to touch the cap of his bike before he changes like the early 2nd Ghost Rider? Hmm... so many ways they could go with this.

[BIGGUN]

im pretty sure its only going to be a night time transformation...and maybe (like in the 70s book) Blaze might be able to force the transformation on his own. would be rather cool as the films progresses that GR is starting to really resent Blaze and will either not come out when Blaze needs him most...or try to come out on his own freewill. will end up like a tug war over who has control over the body of Blaze.
i can also see the gas cap on the bike as well as changing when there is an evil nearby. ill be happy no matter which way they do it...

[FlameHead]

The Tug of War is necessary, I agree. It has been shown that both Ghost Rider and Blaze want control. Blaze can also fight the transformation into Ghost Rider as well. He just doesn't want to give us his body to the demon.

Hmm... how many times will he actually change I wonder? I mean, it can't happen that much. It may even happen just once. They could wait until half way into the movie to change into Ghost Rider and from there, all hell breaks loose. I doubt it though. Nic wouldn't have the screen time he needs then to fill out the Blaze storyline.

[BIGGUN]

i hope its at least 5x...thats the number of times Blaze changed into GR in Goyer's script. they may even start the film off w/ Blaze already cursed w/ GR...and they explain his history in flashbacks. that was the original intent in Goyer's version...his script also introduced the character much like he did w/ Blade near the start of the movie.

[FlameHead]

Hmm... I like that idea. That would guarantee us seeing Ghost Rider more than anything else. That is what I'm going to the movie to see afterall.

I wouldn't completly hate a full origin story though. I wouldn't mind things happening in real time, instead of flashbacks.

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't want to open a new thread for this idea so i thought i'd stick it here as it seems to kinda fit the topic.I was thinking about the Flame CGI needed for GR and his bike and as we all know realistic CGI fire is one of the hardest things to achieve,so after seeing the impressive Torch CGI in the FF footage i was wondering do you think it would be a good idea to hire the FF VFX guys for GR?:) :ghost:

[FlameHead]

... I'll comment on that soon. Just wanted to say that you could have created a new thread for that. It is a new topic afterall.

[Hunter Rider]

... I'll comment on that soon. Just wanted to say that you could have created a new thread for that. It is a new topic afterall.I would have but i(deservedly) got flamed for starting to many threads on the marvel board and as you'll see i already have a few on the GR board so i thought i would play it safe and stick it in here.Anyway look forward to hearing your thoughts on GR's CGI:) :ghost:

[FlameHead]

I started one for you anyway...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147026

[Hunter Rider]

I started one for you anyway...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147026
Cool:cool:

[FlameHead]

Question; Is melting flesh PG 13 or R?

[BIGGUN]

w/ the right cuts i think they can get away w/ it in a pg 13 as its been done in other sci fi/ horror films like Poltergeist and Raider of the Lost Ark.
its funny how the MPAA works....for some films if you have just a few extra seconds of blood or violence it gets an R.
as long as they dont have the melting scene go on for a good 10 min straight w/ Cage 1st looking like a burn victim, screaming bloody murder and then have his eyeballs fall out and melt on the floor ...they should be ok :)

[FlameHead]

LOL. I pictured that shot being done much like Large Marge in Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Made me laugh.

You're right though. It's all about how it's done.

[LastSunrise1981]

I know this is completley off-topic(somewhat). But, I had a dream that I transformed into the Ghost Rider last night.

I just remember transforming into the Ghost Rider and then becoming a vigilante of the night. I fought crime, I destroyed a husband who abused his wife and kids, and scared the hell out of thugs. But I woke up and I wasn't the Ghost Rider anymore. :( :(

[BIGGUN]

I know this is completley off-topic(somewhat). But, I had a dream that I transformed into the Ghost Rider last night.

I just remember transforming into the Ghost Rider and then becoming a vigilante of the night. I fought crime, I destroyed a husband who abused his wife and kids, and scared the hell out of thugs. But I woke up and I wasn't the Ghost Rider anymore. :( :(


you mean you only had ONE dream where you changed into GR? man im already on my 102nd! get w/ the program!! heh

but seriously i have had a couple of dreams that had GR in them...dont think they were "good" ones though. they were rather nightmarish (which there have been some which were cool! ) as from what little i can remember i had done something i felt guilty for and GR was coming after me. remember one dream where he was breaking down the door to my parent's house trying to get to me. it was freaky...but in a cool horror movie type of way.

hopefully once the video game comes out, players will get their wish and be able to change into GR at will. anyway i rather be able to do in a game than real life....im really not a big fan of having my flesh melt off my bones :)

[LastSunrise1981]

you mean you only had ONE dream where you changed into GR? man im already on my 102nd! get w/ the program!! heh

but seriously i have had a couple of dreams that had GR in them...dont think they were "good" ones though. they were rather nightmarish (which there have been some which were cool! ) as from what little i can remember i had done something i felt guilty for and GR was coming after me. remember one dream where he was breaking down the door to my parent's house trying to get to me. it was freaky...but in a cool horror movie type of way.

hopefully once the video game comes out, players will get their wish and be able to change into GR at will. anyway i rather be able to do in a game than real life....im really not a big fan of having my flesh melt off my bones :)

To be completley honest, I don't remember any pain when I changed into GR. I just remember it happening quick and I was on a rampage.

But you're right, I wouldn't be fond of having my flesh melt off my bones either. Then when you think about it, your flesh goes back to normal afterwards. :)

I just remember(In the dream) staring into the mirror in my bathroom, my wife was sleeping and I just happened to look back into the mirror and I was the Ghost Rider. I rode on the motorcycle and was terrorizing thugs, wife beaters, rednecks, and so forth.

http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/g/ghost_rider_theme.jpg

[Crowley9]

At least with Dan Ketch I remember the transformation being described lasting only a heartbeat but feeling like an eternity.

[FlameHead]

And that's exactly how it is. They usually slow down the act for us in the comic though. At least once in every book.

If I remembered any of my dreams, I'm sure most of them would be about Ghost Rider. Even the wet ones. Ha.

[LastSunrise1981]

And that's exactly how it is. They usually slow down the act for us in the comic though. At least once in every book.

If I remembered any of my dreams, I'm sure most of them would be about Ghost Rider. Even the wet ones. Ha.

LOL what the hell? wet ones involved GR?

[jaguarr]

To be completley honest, I don't remember any pain when I changed into GR. I just remember it happening quick and I was on a rampage.

But you're right, I wouldn't be fond of having my flesh melt off my bones either. Then when you think about it, your flesh goes back to normal afterwards. :)

I just remember(In the dream) staring into the mirror in my bathroom, my wife was sleeping and I just happened to look back into the mirror and I was the Ghost Rider. I rode on the motorcycle and was terrorizing thugs, wife beaters, rednecks, and so forth.

http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/g/ghost_rider_theme.jpg


You sound like someone who missed a lithium dose.

jag

[Hypestyle]

we'll see...

[LastSunrise1981]

You sound like someone who missed a lithium dose.

jag

Man, I've missed so many lithium doses it's unbelievable. :-)

[jaguarr]

Man, I've missed so many lithium doses it's unbelievable. :-)

Heh! :D

jag

[FlameHead]

How do you think they'll make Ghost Rider's clothes appear?

[FlameHead]

Figured I'd add this pic to the thread... in case some people missed it. I also wanted to bump some of the more interesting threads to the top.

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/Yeehaacon/Ghost.jpg

I think there's another one around somewhere. I couldn't find it in my initial search

[Uncanny Orb]

I think it should be slow and agonizing the first time so the audience see's what Blaze has gotten himself into. I'm curious to see if it will be a nightly transformation as in the early GR books or if something will trigger it. if it is a triggered transformation a sudden "WOOF" of flames and there stands Ghost Rider could be an awesome effect.

[BIGGUN]

I think it should be slow and agonizing the first time so the audience see's what Blaze has gotten himself into. I'm curious to see if it will be a nightly transformation as in the early GR books or if something will trigger it. if it is a triggered transformation a sudden "WOOF" of flames and there stands Ghost Rider could be an awesome effect.

Yup..FlameHead and I were talking about this fact sometime ago. his 1st change into GR would need to painfull in order to show the audience what he goes through everytime he changes. after that they can be really quick like the idea that you posted. ive always thought it would be cool to see Blaze riding the highway at night and then his bike explodes into a large fireball w/ GR racing out it w/ trailing hellfire behind him.

[FlameHead]

There's definatly a lot of opportunity to do different things in the movie... depending on how many times we're actually going to see Ghost Rider. I definatly want to see a slow painful transformation, at least once. After that, they can speed it up to a big ball of flames if they want.

They'll probably use the slow painful transformation for young blaze, as he's new to having the demon inside. When Blaze is older and used to the power, he won't be fighting it... and it can happen quick. Though, I'm not sure if they're gonna get into the fighting of the inner demon.

The scene you describe BG, with Blaze on his bike burstin' into flames is a definatly vivid sounding one... and I think it should definatly be in it. Like, Blaze and Ghost Rider come to the same conclusion at some point; that they need to kill Blackheart (or something) and as quick as that the demon is released and on his way to achieving just that...

[crystal_flame6]

I think of it this way, the first transformation JB is probably not going to know what is happening, it would be cool to have the idea that Dr. Dude said, but I have a feeling the first transformation is going to be fast and we are not going to see alot of it. As the movie progresses, JB will learn to control his transformations and have them at will, unless there is a crime happening close by and GR decieds to bring JB's attention to it by changing and head that way. We are probably going to get a slow transformation once (at least I hope so. I keep pictureing JB's eyes turnig to flames, followed by the rest of his transformation when he gets really mad.) and the rest are either not going to be shown (because the movie has not explained the JB is GR yet) or very fast in a ball of flames. It would be kind of cool if the bike literally melts into the hellcycle (since the engine looks melted) right after GR appears. The first warning would be that you hear the bike rev and the sound turns into the hellcyles' roar.

[FlameHead]

I'm not so concerned with the bike actually. What I want to see melt is Nic cages face as the hellfire burns through.

[crystal_flame6]

I bet that they have Nic throw his hands up and hide his face so you can't see it. After all it is not going to be an R rated movie.

[crystal_flame6]

But it would be a good adition to the movie. Good show of the pain JB goes threw in his transformation.

[InVictus]

I bet that they have Nic throw his hands up and hide his face so you can't see it. After all it is not going to be an R rated movie.
You know, this kind of trick should really works on this movie...if done properly , to not show the entire transformation could be even more terrific that by showing it.

[FlameHead]

I must see the transformation. I want (need) to see the flesh melting. I've seen it so many times on the pages of so many comics... now I need to see it in motion (outside of my mind).

[crystal_flame6]

MSJ, hopefully, will not disappoint any of us. I am hoping to see at least one slow transformation and a fast one when Johnny is in trouble.

[FlameHead]

I wouldn't mind at all but one were quick transformation. I'm just hoping the PG-13 won't prevent a slow graphic one...

[crystal_flame6]

It will probably not show much (if any) of the flesh burning and melting. Just the flames and the change in structure from JB to GR.

[FlameHead]

That's what saddens me. I need to see flesh melting... as demented as that sounds.

[crystal_flame6]

We might get to see his hands and arms melting. I want to see it in the film, just for the sake of being able to see it for the first time.

[FlameHead]

There's never been a time on film that flesh melted? hmm...

I seem to picture something... hmm... give me a few.

[crystal_flame6]

I meant that I have not seen it in any comics (since I don't have any of them and can't find any to buy), and the GR movie would be a perfect first.

[FlameHead]

Ahhh, I get'cha. It's an image that's ever present in the comics... which, of course, is why I'd like to see it on film.

[crystal_flame6]

Maybe if you are nice enough you could post one of the panels of it on here so I could see it for the first time.

[FlameHead]

Absolutly. I posted a couple of them a while back in the Official GR thread. MM created a page on the IGR website (http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/page/gr/GRPanelsFlameHead3.html) where all those pics that I (and others) have posted there.

Here they are again... I'll try and get some more in the future.

http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/img/GR/Panels/F3-10.jpg

http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/img/GR/Panels/F3-09.jpg

[crystal_flame6]

Thanks, I'll be looking toward those other pics. So that is what happens to all of his body and his clothes just change? Judging by those pictures, GR cares for the innocents that are still alive when he is threw with their tormentors and possible for Dan's safety? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Mr Nick]

The first time it happens, I don't want it to happen in a quick flash of flame. I want to see EVERYTHING!!

I love the transformation sequence in An American Werewolf in London, not just because of the make-up, but David Naughton's performance. The pain and the horror of what's happening to him really comes across. Johnny would probably feel the same when he sees himself combusting and his flesh sizzling and melting.
If it had that intensity, it would be awesome.

:eek:

[not_a_victim]

I think the first time should be very dramatic. I would love to see the flesh burn, then GR actually reach up and slough off the remaining flesh from his face, and throw it to the ground.
I hope they use similar tech that is being used in the FF movie for the Human Torch. His transformation looks so real, its incredible.
PS, I have a question...
Is GR's whole body a skeleton, or just his head? His head seems to be the only thing burning, so theoretically, he could have flesh below the neck, right?

[BIGGUN]

Is GR's whole body a skeleton, or just his head? His head seems to be the only thing burning, so theoretically, he could have flesh below the neck, right?

nope...he is a walking flaming skeleton. all flesh is lost when he changes.
i like that idea though of throwing his final pieces of burning skin off....although i dont know if that could make it by a PG13. would be cool to see in a unrated dvd edition

[not_a_victim]

Movies have been pushing the limits of PG-13 movies lately. Have you seen some of the pictures of Anakin Skywalker after he gets burned in EPIII? brutal stuff, and it is getting a PG-13.

[FlameHead]

I haven't seen a whole lot of the Star Wars stuff. I'm trying to go into the movie clean.

The first time it happens, I don't want it to happen in a quick flash of flame. I want to see EVERYTHING!!

I love the transformation sequence in An American Werewolf in London, not just because of the make-up, but David Naughton's performance. The pain and the horror of what's happening to him really comes across. Johnny would probably feel the same when he sees himself combusting and his flesh sizzling and melting.
If it had that intensity, it would be awesome.

:eek:

That's exactly what I'm looking for in at least one of the transformations. The rest can be shown in real time for all I care. Just show the struggle and pain at least one time, ya know?

nope...he is a walking flaming skeleton. all flesh is lost when he changes.
i like that idea though of throwing his final pieces of burning skin off....although i dont know if that could make it by a PG13. would be cool to see in a unrated dvd edition

What do you mean; like pieces of melting flesh just falling from his bones to the ground, staying alight there, burning away? That would be a little graphic perhaps... but so freakin' awesome.

[BIGGUN]

What do you mean; like pieces of melting flesh just falling from his bones to the ground, staying alight there, burning away? That would be a little graphic perhaps... but so freakin' awesome.

yeah....but he takes the remaining pieces that are still on his skull and throws them on the ground violently. would give the impression hes ticked off about being locked inside Blaze and that he resents having to share a body w/ a human.....almost like hes saying "it about time you let me out dammit!!!" ...heh

[FlameHead]

Oh yeah... now that's what I'm talkin' about! That would make for such an awesome visual... one that says so very much. Great idea!

[BIGGUN]

yup...i agree. very good idea from not_a_victim :up:

[crystal_flame6]

I think that most, if not all, of us on the boards will be disapointed if there is not at least one slow transformation to get across how painful the change is no matter how fast it happens in real time. I would find it kind of funny if GR is pissed at JB and gives JB a bad sunburn to show it.

What happens to all of his clothes, they just change into what GR wears (Spikes explode out of body and clothes, JB's clothes burn and GR's form)? Judging by the pictures on the IGR website, the Dan/GR cares for the innocents that are still alive when he is threw with their tormentors and possible for Dan's safety and the JB/GR doesn't really care? Could you clearify these for me, please?

[not_a_victim]

Thanks for the compliments on the sloughing idea.
If Lucas can get away with Anakin Skywalker basically bursting into flames, then show the carnage aftereffects, and still get a pg-13, then it stands to reason that throwing a little burned flesh from his skull would be acceptable.
Heck, do we even know if the producers are shooting for a PG-13? this would seem like a great opportunity to actually put an R rated Superhero movieon the screen.

[BIGGUN]

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Heck, do we even know if the producers are shooting for a PG-13? this would seem like a great opportunity to actually put an R rated Superhero movieon the screen.


Yup...this was the goal for GR and why Goyer and Norrington left the project a few years ago.
but keep this in mind ....MSJ's original Daredevil was given an R rating and had to be cut down for PG13. im hoping that Mark might push the gore and violence envelope in a few scenes and give us a director's cut later like what happened to DD (and a lot of other movies nowadays). i for one wouldnt mind that one bit...

[Batmun]

They could make the transformation less gruesome. For example, you would see the skin on his face start to melt as flames engulf his body. Then as the flames around his body clears, Ghost Rider emerges. This could be a good way to try and keep it PG-13


http://img104.echo.cx/img104/7486/ghostriderx4vw.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[crystal_flame6]

I think that they will have JB throw his hands up and cover his face as the transformation starts the first time. You would be able to see his hands melt and the fire come threw. Then he would probably be covered in flames which would disappear after the transformation is done. I want to see at least two transformations in the film though, a slow one and one in "real time".

[FlameHead]

I think that most, if not all, of us on the boards will be disapointed if there is not at least one slow transformation to get across how painful the change is no matter how fast it happens in real time. I would find it kind of funny if GR is pissed at JB and gives JB a bad sunburn to show it.

What happens to all of his clothes, they just change into what GR wears (Spikes explode out of body and clothes, JB's clothes burn and GR's form)? Judging by the pictures on the IGR website, the Dan/GR cares for the innocents that are still alive when he is threw with their tormentors and possible for Dan's safety and the JB/GR doesn't really care? Could you clearify these for me, please?

Hmmm... as you probably know, I answered those few questions in another thread. If you need further info, just let us know.

As for the transformation, I know I for one will be quite dissapointed if I don't get a slow change, at least once. Grusome or not, I think it has to be slowed down to see the struggle, the pain.

[crystal_flame6]

the struggle could also play a part in the movie, showing the dark side of the character as well. Showing, not only does he torture the sinners, but his host as well and how much his host loths him.

[Hunter Rider]

thought this was interesting form the LR interview with MSJ as it relates to this topic

How brutal is it then?

Mark Steven Johnson: How brutal is it? Pretty brutal, if you see a guys face burn off into a skull it’s pretty brutal, that’s pretty intense stuff. The fights are pretty intense. I mean it’s hard core fighting stuff but it’s also somewhere in the realm of fantasy so you’re not going to see blood and guts of people but you are going to see a lot of intense action in the film.

http://img165.echo.cx/img165/4472/we5cq.jpg

[Mr Nick]

'One thing you have to say about Nic he does everything 100% he never goes half way, he goes for it. So these scenes where he’s changing and screaming, it’s difficult to watch cause he commits himself so holy to the role. That’s I think the biggest thing, the level of commitment doesn’t give a **** what he looks like, doesn’t care, doesn’t worry about vanity none of that. He just goes for it and commits himself to it.'

- Also from the Latino Review interview with Mark Steven Johnson.

Sounds painful and furious!! Hurrah for Nic Cage!

:ghost:

[BIGGUN]

:up: good to hear...

[crystal_flame6]

Does anyone have a way to fast forward to the future so we can SEE this film!? I can't wait to see this movie!

[FlameHead]

Finally... my fears have been alieviated. Sounds like this transformation is gonna be everything we want it to be. Brutal pain... and Nic is goin' for it. That's freakin' awesome. Would be neat to see some images of this on ET tonight.

I truly think MSJ is going to give us the movie we're waiting for. The story may alter a little but the imagery will be ever present.

[FlameHead]

I was readin' one of fireface's comics tonight (of course) and realized that the tranformation into Ghost Rider only one side of the change, only one thing the special effects team have to worry about. The other side is the change back into Blaze. How are they going to make the fire replace itself with flesh? Is it going to just be a reverse of what we see happening from Blaze to Ghost Rider? This can't be an easy thing to do.

[Mr Nick]

That's a very good question. Hulk was easy compared to this (Banner gets big - Banner gets small). Hmm. Maybe all his hellfire rockets back into his eyes, reconstituting him - muscle, veins, skin. Something like Hollow Man, but faster.

:confused:

[FlameHead]

Something like Hollow man would definatly work... and I'm hoping that at least once, it's at that speed. I mean, they can do it in a flash most of the times but I really think they need to show how painful this transformation is and do that, it needs to be slow.

[Punitore]

I noticed in the scene where Mephisto is talking to him, first transormation scene i think, he doesn't wear gloves, does it mean we will see his flaming skeletal hands? ..how do you see those black jeans?
I was thinking that we won't see Ghost Rider like he's shown in the teaser poster until the last part of the movie.

[Mr Nick]

According to Mark Steven Johnson, we will get to see skeletal hands. This is from his interview with JoBlo:

How close will the outfits in the movie match the costumes from the comic?


MSJ: It’s great. This time I actually have a hero who’s supposed to be in leather, so I’ve got that going for me (laughs). He changes throughout the movie. I know some fans have seen some shots and are like, “Why the spikes are so small?” It’s because he changes his look throughout the movie. Obviously, he doesn’t know what’s going to happen the first time. He’s just wearing his Johnny Blaze outfit. He has no gloves on, so he’s got skeleton hands. He’s got black jeans, a black leather coat and motorcycle boots. The second time, when he breaks out of the jail – and I don’t want to give too much away here - his coat gets ripped, and he upgrades basically to an inmate’s coat that has little studs. The idea is that hellfire affects metal in a certain way. So when hellfire hits a motorcycle, it turns into the Hellcycle; when it hits a shotgun, it turns into a hellfire shotgun; and when it hits the studs in your coat, they pop into these spikes. It’s really cool, and actually worked really well within the outfit. So, he does have the three-inch spikes, the big chain, and all that ****.

:D

[Crowley9]

Thinking about Ghost Rider's transformation reminds me of the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark, specifically the Gestapo man whose face melts off. *checks IMDB* That movie was rated PG? What the hell?

[Mr Nick]

Yeah, it's amazing what leeway they give Spielberg, isn't it? I still can't get over Jaws. It's only a 12. I'm 31 and I still find it hard to watch Quint's death.

:eek:

[Hellcycle2000]

it be cool if one of his changes is like a shapeshifter, or while on the bike, he phases into ghostrider

http://home.comcast.net/~svgjr1975/spikes.bmp

[FlameHead]

According to Mark Steven Johnson, we will get to see skeletal hands. This is from his interview with JoBlo:

How close will the outfits in the movie match the costumes from the comic?


MSJ: It’s great. This time I actually have a hero who’s supposed to be in leather, so I’ve got that going for me (laughs). He changes throughout the movie. I know some fans have seen some shots and are like, “Why the spikes are so small?” It’s because he changes his look throughout the movie. Obviously, he doesn’t know what’s going to happen the first time. He’s just wearing his Johnny Blaze outfit. He has no gloves on, so he’s got skeleton hands. He’s got black jeans, a black leather coat and motorcycle boots. The second time, when he breaks out of the jail – and I don’t want to give too much away here - his coat gets ripped, and he upgrades basically to an inmate’s coat that has little studs. The idea is that hellfire affects metal in a certain way. So when hellfire hits a motorcycle, it turns into the Hellcycle; when it hits a shotgun, it turns into a hellfire shotgun; and when it hits the studs in your coat, they pop into these spikes. It’s really cool, and actually worked really well within the outfit. So, he does have the three-inch spikes, the big chain, and all that ****.

:D

Yeah, I was pretty pumped when I read that for the first time. I really like Mark's ideas so far.

As for the gloveless hands, I hope he takes them off at some point and pummels one of the baddies to the ground with them... like he does to Blackheart in the Hearts of Darkness Graphic Novel.


Thinking about Ghost Rider's transformation reminds me of the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark, specifically the Gestapo man whose face melts off. *checks IMDB* That movie was rated PG? What the hell?

That's exactly why I have no fear in this movie being PG-13. There's a lot you can do with those limatations.

[Uncanny Orb]

I guess there will be a transformation scene for the bike as well, I hope it happens with a blast of hellfire and not just by touch.

[FlameHead]

It could happen severel different ways throughout the movie but, I agree, I'd like to see a hellfire blast change the bike inot the hellcycle.

[trentoid]

Ghost Rider,

Firstly not only does his face get completely burnt off, in the trailer he is smiling when this is happening.

Surely he must be in agonising pain!?

Also, once he finishes "tranforming" into the Ghost Rider, how does he get his face back?

And

When your face is on fire, im pretty certain there is a lack of oxygen making it very difficult to breathe.

Meh just some very unrealistic things i picked up on.

[Mr Nick]

I take it you mean the "Let's ride" bit. Yeah, that's the one bit that I don't like in the trailer. However, I reckon that comes much later in the film, presumably after Johnny has undergone the transformation a few times and the story has led to him accepting his curse.

The earlier bit where he's grabbing his head and screaming in pain looks like a pretty painful transformation sequence. I'm sure the first time will be extremely painful (well, as painful as a PG-13 rating will allow). Many of us have voiced our desire for Johnny to be in agony the first time and I don't think Mark Steven Johnson will let us down.

As for getting his face back. Good question. I'm sure someone like GR Uber-Guru Flamehead might be able to post a pic from the comics of that, if you ask him nicely!

:)

[black_dust]

Meh just some very unrealistic things i picked up on.
Yes and a flaming bike and ridding up a building, they just happen every day..... its a film get over it

[theoneandonly]

^ i was going to say that

like yes someone can turn into a skeleton its a comic

[Longbow_Hunter]

As for getting his face back. Good question. I'm sure someone like GR Uber-Guru Flamehead might be able to post a pic from the comics of that, if you ask him nicely!

:)

here's a pic of johnny getting his face back.

http://lrg.zorpia.com/0/1966/12583690.185f5e.jpg

[screenamesuck]

These posts always seem to amaze me. I mean come on, it's a MOVIE based on a COMIC BOOK. Nothing is realistic in make believe world. If you analize a movie so much you'll just end up not liking it. It's like asking what spidermans webs are clinging on to when he is way up in the sky??? Just ignore it and enjoy the movie. It's that simple.

[Vartha]

Well thing thing here is I don't think he under stands that it isn't "normal" fire for one. and two, GR and Blaze share the same body, Blaze does just burn up into ashes, he just changes places with the demon.

[Gogo Bananas]

You obviously have ZERO experience with MAGIC FIRE.
It's actually a fascinating field of study.

[zer00]

Ghost Rider,

Firstly not only does his face get completely burnt off, in the trailer he is smiling when this is happening.

Surely he must be in agonising pain!?

Also, once he finishes "tranforming" into the Ghost Rider, how does he get his face back?

And

When your face is on fire, im pretty certain there is a lack of oxygen making it very difficult to breathe.

Meh just some very unrealistic things i picked up on.

I feel kind of bad for your parents.

[FlameHead]

LoL. Hilarious.

[gvcool2]

These posts always seem to amaze me. I mean come on, it's a MOVIE based on a COMIC BOOK. Nothing is realistic in make believe world. If you analize a movie so much you'll just end up not liking it. It's like asking what spidermans webs are clinging on to when he is way up in the sky??? Just ignore it and enjoy the movie. It's that simple.

uhhh buildings?:confused:

[screenamesuck]

I'm talking about when he is swinging above the buildings or when he is out in the middle of nowhere. Can't really tell much in the movies since he is in the city the whole time, but in the comics he could be out in the middle of a field or something and still be swinging around on something. I know trees don't grow that tall around here lol.

[Vartha]

lol the most obvious was the 60's cartoon, he'd be out in space on some planet and he'd be swinging around. lol

[gvcool2]

the cartoon lacked any logic, but if you can show me one point in the comics where he didnt use some object to attach his webs to, i will be amazed

[gvcool2]

Ghost Rider,

Firstly not only does his face get completely burnt off, in the trailer he is smiling when this is happening.

Surely he must be in agonising pain!?

Also, once he finishes "tranforming" into the Ghost Rider, how does he get his face back?

And

When your face is on fire, im pretty certain there is a lack of oxygen making it very difficult to breathe.

Meh just some very unrealistic things i picked up on.

it's alright, i know this man, i'll take him home and get him to bed

[trentoid]

gvcool2 haha mate :P you'd like me in bed wouldnt ya ;)

anyway yeah as for whoever insulted my parents or whatever, you are discussing comic book fantasies which you obsess over. I believe it is your parents that feel sorry for you. Who knows, one day even you may get superpowers cos ud like that wouldnt ya. Wake up.

[gvcool2]

uh oh...your on your own...let the flaming commence

[screenamesuck]

the cartoon lacked any logic, but if you can show me one point in the comics where he didnt use some object to attach his webs to, i will be amazed

Ummmm, thats ok, my post wasn't meant to start a debate on what Spider-man attaches his webs to. I was just trying to say, worrying about things like that in a movie are just stupid. Watch the movie and don't analize it, simple as that.

[webhead731]

Yeah, the "Let's ride" part was a little weird. It should look painful.

But didn't Hulk in the comics get used to his transformation? It wasn't as painful after a million times?

Same thing maybe?

[BIGGUN]

Yeah, the "Let's ride" part was a little weird. It should look painful.

But didn't Hulk in the comics get used to his transformation? It wasn't as painful after a million times?

Same thing maybe?


there were issues in the 70s series where even Blaze was talking he changed into GR w/out any sign of pain. it was a bloodless change too...but that was mainly because of censorship though...they were able to get away w/ a bit more in the 90s.
the pain could just be due to his fighting the change...the more he fights it the longer it takes making him feel every bit of flesh melting off. maybe that scene could be at end where Blaze has come to some kind of agreement w/ the demon which makes the change easier for the both of them.

im not that concerned about the change thing but rather its Blaze being a happy camper at the end. that is if the movie ends like that.

[webhead731]

I've only read the 1990's comics and the changed looked painful.:up:

[The Joker]

he gets his face back cause it's magic, just like the bullet used to assassinate kennedy (I'm of course reffering to the MTV VJ Kennedy from the early 90's) :o

[FlameHead]

LoL. I actually think GR's transformation is much more believable than the official story of JFK's assassination...

We have to realize that GR is supernatural character and all things supernatural are hard to explain. There's no real science (or perfected science) to explain supernatural events. Hellfire itself is supernatural. It's not fire and it does not burn like regular fire does. It can burn underwater afterall. So, when you take that element into consideration, his transformation is believable. His face melts off by hellfire but, it's not actually melting away. It's pretty much being replaced by hellfire, as if his face mutates into this hellfire or is consumed by the fire. Therefor, when he transforms back, it's not so much him regenerating his flesh but more of the hellfire replacing the flesh it ate up.

Which brings me to this question; what's more painful, the transformation into GR or the transformation into Blaze. Is flesh burning away more painful than flesh being reconstructed?

[Hunter Rider]

Blog #3: Transformation (http://flash.sonypictures.com/movies/ghostrider/blog/ghostrider_transformation.mov) Medium-Res http://www.drfoster.f2s.com/images/qtlogo.jpg (2.59Mb)

I couldn't find a thread on the Blogs:confused:but this one focuses on the transformation which looks to be very detailed and extremeley cool
the cmaera rotating around his head is a nice touch

[FlameHead]

HR, in case you're still wondering, the blog thread is located here: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244239

Well, it looks like the transformation will be everything I hoped it would be and that puts one big smile on this fanboys face. Yee hawwwww!

[Doomed Hero Rising]

Hey,
I was watching the ghost Rider blog yesterday about how Blaze would turn into ghost rider by the skin melting and burning etc. Well My question is how is he going to turn back into Blaze? Will the skin grow back? Eyes come out? Or will they just show fire and then poof he's there?

[The Joker]

I hope they have it reverse melt. You know, skin slowly ooze out from the skull, making it look just as painful as the early transformations will be.

[Cole Burns]

Man, this is the best question to be put foward in months. I never thought about this before now. I mean the idea of Johnny's skin burning off is horrific but the idea of this skin growing back is just plain disgusting. This could really make for an awesome scene in the film.

[Doomed Hero Rising]

I hope they come up with something creative. As for skin melting back, that could work. I think the fire turning into blood which then turns into muscle into skin. Like indiana jones when the blood comes out sorta like that but the fire settles into a face...?

[The Joker]

I got the melting back idea from something that happend to me actually. I had a pretty bad fall due to a hotels neglegence, in which I scraped my right hand horribly on a cement sidewalk, with myself and a computer moniter on top of them. You could see the muscle on my middle right hand finger, that gives you an idea of how deep it was. Anyway, the way it was ripped open, we couldnt stitch it shut or anything. So I had to just keep it covered until it healed up. Whenever I went to change bandages, you could see what was essentially liquid skin, filling in the holes. It was pretty disgusting, and I think something to that effect would work. Here's my whole idea.

The flame from the back of his skull wraps around his head, and turns into muscle, then from the gaps in the muscle, the liquid skin slowly leaks out and covers him, some dripping off of course. Through it, his hair sticks out, and it then solidifies, and he's back to normal.

[Mr Nick]

That's really quite disgusting, Joker. But I like it.

:up:

[Doomed Hero Rising]

Yeah, I like what your going for Joker. I think the Fire should def. harden into muscle. Cause essentially isn't the fire burning his skin? What I want to see is the eyes! The red dots of fire turn into muscle to the brain (does ghost rider have a brain?) which goes back into eyes. One thing I want to see is GR opening up the jacket, and you see hit heart coming and all internal organs and blood!

[FlameHead]

If interested, there is a thread about the Transformation:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146159

Some of us have shared our ideas on this in there.

[Doomed Hero Rising]

Does Ghost Rider have internal organs? Like a brain or a heart or kidney's or a live or a spleen or a large or small intestine? Also Does he have five senses. Can he feel touching things. He can see. But can he taste and smell he has no nose or for that matter a tongue.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Ghost Rider has no organs, but his human host does.

He has all 5 senses, but his tolerance for pain is very high. The Ghost Rider in the 90s claimed he had no fear (fear inducing chemicals and toxins had no effect on him, and he has never run from any fight).

Also, he can not feel pain from physical means, but only super natural.

[Retroman]

The transformation looks like its borderlining the limits of PG-13.I'm interested what the final result will look like on the big screen. Whatever they choose it looks painfull as hell for Blaze....oh wait it is.:ghost:

Perhaps we'll see an extended more gory transformation on the dvd?

[Ghost Ridin']

The transformation looks like its borderlining the limits of PG-13.I'm interested what the final result will look like on the big screen. Whatever they choose it looks painfull as hell for Blaze....oh wait it is.:ghost:

Perhaps we'll see an extended more gory transformation on the dvd?



Yeah maybe one were you see the skin boiling and then tearing apart only to reveal that his blood is boiling and starting to evaporate right off his face.

:wow: :eek: :ghost:

[Ghost Ridin']

I would'nt mind seeing his skin ooz out of his eye sockets

Like this

The flames on his head slowly start to weaken until its just the skull then Ghost rider starts screaming trying to stay in control of Blaze's body while you hear blaze trying to fight back then skin starts leaking out of the eye sockets covering all of the skull eventually forming all of the facial features and then the hair and eyes grow back and so forth.
really nasty
:ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

[xwolverine2]

you people are sick.......

i love it

["Iron Man"]

Hmmm...I don't know how MSJ has it set up in the movie....but it'll be interesting to see him turn back into Blaze.

[weezerspider]

I got the melting back idea from something that happend to me actually. I had a pretty bad fall due to a hotels neglegence, in which I scraped my right hand horribly on a cement sidewalk, with myself and a computer moniter on top of them. You could see the muscle on my middle right hand finger, that gives you an idea of how deep it was. Anyway, the way it was ripped open, we couldnt stitch it shut or anything. So I had to just keep it covered until it healed up. Whenever I went to change bandages, you could see what was essentially liquid skin, filling in the holes. It was pretty disgusting, and I think something to that effect would work. Here's my whole idea.

The flame from the back of his skull wraps around his head, and turns into muscle, then from the gaps in the muscle, the liquid skin slowly leaks out and covers him, some dripping off of course. Through it, his hair sticks out, and it then solidifies, and he's back to normal.

Great idea. At the end of the transformation, there should be smoke coming rom his hair for a few seconds.

[doomreaper X]

I have some sort of idea from The Mask, when Carrey takes it off in the alley. Alright: The flames are beginning to die down as Blaze's personality takes over. The layers of the body begin to reappear, or 'reverse melt', (the muscle grows over the bone, followed by some blood vessels, and evetually the skin) Like what with marvelman418 said, maybe we see inside the jacket as the organs and muscles regenerate. The eyeballs can form, first being all white with the veins showing, and then the eyeballs 'roll' back into view. The hair will come in sometime in between the eyeballs and the skin layers (epidermis, etc.):ghost:

[doomreaper X]

I already posted in the other thread about the reverse transformation. I think the transformation should be a more graphic version of The Mask, with the eyes rolling up into nothing as the skin seemingly melts off, revealing the pale skull. Cage might be screaming with his head down in his hands as the transformation occurs. He suddenly stops as the process nears completion, standing up straight as his skull bursts into a huge hellborne flame (no fireballs in the sockets). He finishes 'morphing' and gives us a full camera shot of that familiar creepy skeleton grin, the fire burning brightly.

[doomreaper X]

Is Ghost Rider a complete skeleton, or is it just his head? Has he ever been shown without certain parts of his outfit (his hands, torso, etc.) I s it just his head that's on fire, or is it his whole body.

[doomreaper X]

Is Ghost Rider a complete skeleton, or is it just his head? Has he ever been shown without certain parts of his outfit (his hands, torso, etc.) I s it just his head that's on fire, or is it his whole body.

[Mr Nick]

As far as I know, he's a full skeleton. There have been images of him in the comics where his ribs have been showing after getting battered by someone. And in the trailer you see his bony fingers as he zips up his jacket.

:ghost:

[Doc D]

Is Ghost Rider a complete skeleton, or is it just his head? Has he ever been shown without certain parts of his outfit (his hands, torso, etc.) I s it just his head that's on fire, or is it his whole body.

His whole body is on fire and he's a complete skeleton.
For reference:
-Ghost Rider 90's-series #42 (where he takes off his leather jacket)
-Marvel Team-up #91 (where he is "displayed" as a carnival attraction)
...presumably there are lots of other references but these two just came to my mind quickest...

:ghost:

[not_a_victim]

I'd like to see the reverse melts, but I think the blood/muscles/flesh should come from under his jacket, kinda like the are coming from his center of mass. I would want to see the blood run up his neck, like it was running downhill, only up. Then liquid that turns to muscle follows the blood, then liquid that forms the flesh follows the muscle. I want his eyeballs to kinda roll into their sockets from somewhere deep in his skull, and I want those to be the last things that come into place.

[str8raz0r]

I'm thinking something similar to the Horseman's "re-fleshing" in Sleepy Hollow would look pretty slick. Everyone's pretty much describing it, but I think that something like that is a pretty good visual reference.

[BrollySupersj]

I think of the way Dracula grew back his skin in Van Helsing, when Frankinstien threw him into the fire. Something like that would be pretty cool.

[Chaos Bringer]

I am going to see this no matter what but these SPFX aren't looking that fab in any of the trailers. Is that cuz they're only in prelim stages or is that the final product?

[Mr Nick]

Not sure. I think they're OK at the moment, but there's plenty of room for improvement and time enough to do so. The skull still looks a bit off, but I can't quite put my finger on why. Love the flames though. Love 'em.

I'm hoping we'll see an improvement in the second trailer, which should be out next month.

:wow:

[doomreaper X]

I think of the way Dracula grew back his skin in Van Helsing, when Frankinstien threw him into the fire. Something like that would be pretty cool.

...i loved that movie...

[Fried Gold]

...i loved that movie...Oh I do hope that was sarcasm.

[webhead731]

1 being worst and 10 being best. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIT4Lg5Rlmk&mode=related&search=):ghost:

10 for me. I can't wait to see the whole scene. It looked so real, and painful. The sound fx were amazing too.


Thanks MSJ!

[xwolverine2]

10- it really cant be ANY better.......

[webhead731]

I added a poll if you didn't see it when you posted.

Yeah, if someone gives it a 1 then they're stupid.

[xwolverine2]

even if your blind........ the sound is amazing

[webhead731]

I agree with that! I can close my eyes and still think it was great!:eek:

[WiscoD]

FRAKKING AWSOME TRANSFORMATION!!!!!! Sorry, i just watched Battlestar,.... i tend to say Frakking for 2 days after watching it.....D

[TheCardPlayer]

The transformation is amazing looking.

Doesn't change my opinion that the film will be mediocre, but damn the transformation is awesome.

[BIGGUN]

man i loved it!
you could hear his flesh popping and sizzling...just like bacon! heh
nasty and gruesome....great how he was laughing like a maniac through it all. should be even better as they change Cage's voice to GR's during that scene.

[NDX]

Strong urge for BBQ after that. This is going to be a great scene.

[BrollySupersj]

Morbid, but I still like it. It's gonna be awesome.

[Scissors]

HOLY MOLY! i almost fainted from coolness!

a 10 for the Transformation!

[Mr Nick]

It's so bloody good! Like you guys said, the sound was just as painful and spot-on as the effects, and Nic sold it superbly.

If anyone dares criticise it for not being gruesome enough, I'll go spare. They couldn't possibly have made it any nastier given the rating.

Big thumbs up from the English judge.

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[PriemRyeest]

Thats awsome MAN! freekin terrifying! XD
Cant be better!

[PriemRyeest]

I put it up in here in QT format! Enjoy.

http://d.turboupload.com/d/1080999/ghostrider_newtransformation.mov.html

[RedIsNotBlue]

This movie needed to be rated R. <<<Super Sarcasm

[PriemRyeest]

made 2 avatars. If u like u can use it. /Sry to put in this topic./

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7348/grtrans1xr4.gif

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3255/grtrans2wv3.gif

[roach]

this is what I like about comic book movies...they think of stuff no one else does. I never thought that the transformation was painful in the comics but this transformation makes sense

[doomreaper X]

Thanks for the file PriemRyeest. Wow...

If they can achieve this kind of quality throughout the movie, it's gonna kick ass. That deserves a "10+".

[Retroman]

I gave it a 9.:word:
made 2 avatars. If u like u can use it. /Sry to put in this topic./

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7348/grtrans1xr4.gif

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3255/grtrans2wv3.gif
Aweseome!!:wow:

[ultimatefan]

Now that was totally ****ed up... In a cool as hell way.

[FlameHead]

I usually make it a point to never give anything a 10 because there's always room for improvement but... this gets a 10.

Amazing.

[FlameHead]

This movie needed to be rated R. <<<Super Sarcasm

LoL. Nice.

Hopefully this will shut a lot of those folks up. Then again, that'll likely never happen.

[Abe]

I so very much ABSOLUTELY loved the transformation, and I've only watched it once.
Speak to me when I'm seen it 100 times (which no doubt I will do). I'll be saying the same thing over and over. Freakin' sweet!
Abe.

[Mr Nick]

made 2 avatars. If u like u can use it. /Sry to put in this topic./

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7348/grtrans1xr4.gif

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3255/grtrans2wv3.gif

Beautiful!

Thanks a lot. I'm using that on another board I visit to spread the word!

:woot:

[HAMACKIE]

Brilliant!
It is exactly they way I envisioned/described it to the artists when writing the comics.

Howard

[Gotendbz-2]

It was pretty cool. But I would have liked to see him transform all the way.

:ghost:

[webhead731]

Yeah, I can't wait to see that too.^

But I don't want them to put that online. Wait for the movie. That's when I want to see it for the first time.:ghost:

[Gotendbz-2]

Yeah, they should save it for the movie.

[webhead731]

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3255/grtrans2wv3.gif

I made a request for an avatar in another forum but this will do just fine. I'll cancel the request.

Thanks.:up:

[webhead731]

Nevermind. Too big.

[PriemRyeest]

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3255/grtrans2wv3.gif

I made a request for an avatar in another forum but this will do just fine. I'll cancel the request.

Thanks.:up:

No problemo! ;)

[xwolverine2]

Yeah, I can't wait to see that too.^

But I don't want them to put that online. Wait for the movie. That's when I want to see it for the first time.:ghost:
taken:o

[SuperSoldier87]

Second time watching it, at first Johnny Blaze is screaming and towards the end as Ghost Rider is emerging he starts laughing

[Lord Valumart]

that really, really, really, REALLY ****IN ROCKS!!!!:D:D:D

[Brian-Punisher]

Wow, that transformation looks pretty awesome! Good VFX.

It's just like what Johnson was talking about before. Blaze is in pain but the Ghost Rider is happy. Quite disturbing...and awesome!

[The Only Woj]

I can't tell if Cage is screaming or laughing or both.

[Savage]

Aaawesome. Very good performance from Cage. Like a beast taking over by force. Even enjoying it. It's like he's fighting something inside him and losing. Badly. I'm sure if it weren't for the flames, there'd be tears. Craziest posession I've ever seen. :up:

[zer00]

As I've said before:

That is the most brilliant ****ing thing I've seen since Burt Lancaster in a speedo.

MSJ, I'll buy you a line of coke.

[marvelisawesome]

omg thats so cool. hes all burning up and what not!

[The Guardian]

NOW THAT'S HOT!!!:ghost: :oldrazz: :D

[Jspider13]

I can't tell if Cage is screaming or laughing or both.

He's doing both. He's mentioned that Blaze screams in torture but Rider laughs in joy simultaneously. He did a great job with it.

[Morgoth]

Yeah that looks like it hurt. Yowza! Freakin' sweet, all the way.:word:

[Vartha]

I loved the Transformation! I was expection melting skin or something, but, that is SWEET!

[Mauser9910]

He's doing both. He's mentioned that Blaze screams in torture but Rider laughs in joy simultaneously. He did a great job with it.

Oh absolutely, it's exciting and painful and scary on screen and to watch ! Impossible to rate it below 10, it's intense brilliant stuff. :)

[Tempest19]

That was fckin' off the hook!

AWESOME!!!

[xwolverine2]

whoever voted "sucks" needs to show themselves RIGHT NOW!

[webhead731]

I should've made it a public poll.:(

[Master Chief]

Love it. I can hear the screams just watching the .gifs posted around. Caaaan't wait.

[theShape]

This small clip is pretty much the only thing that has impressed me about this upcoming film. The movie's gonna be lame, but that transformation was badass.

8/10.

[Fettstyl]

Holy sheep **** !!!!!
The skin exploding off, the agony and laughter ...I cant wait to see that whole scene, Ive had serious serious doubts about this movie...but damn, that was amazing !!!

[Fettstyl]

Holy sheep **** !!!!!
The skin exploding off, the agony and laughter ...I cant wait to see that whole scene, Ive had serious serious doubts about this movie...but damn, that was amazing !!!

[Tyrinus]

That would have been tremendously better without the laughter. It was completely out of place in that scene...or maybe it was just because Nic Cage sucks at fake laughter.

Visually it was great though.

[WiscoD]

Id just like to know who the blind person is who rated the clip a 1.. A 1????? He must be a "Hello Kitty Island Adventure" fan.....

[xwolverine2]

Id just like to know who the blind person is who rated the clip a 1.. A 1????? He must be a "Hello Kitty Island Adventure" fan.....
or a christian...

ZIIING!!

*pats self on back*
ah...you did it again xw2:yay:

[Advanced Dark]

Perfect and I'm sure there are more surprises ahead.

Hey MSJ don't spoil us too much. :)

[webhead731]

The person who gave it a '1' probably had it minimized with his/her speakers turned down...:confused:

[PWN3R]

This is beyond what I was expecting. God I can't wait. :up:

[xwolverine2]

This is beyond what I was expecting. God I can't wait. :up:
god has no part of this

[PWN3R]

god has no part of this

feeling very anti christian today arent we?

[xwolverine2]

christians are feeling anti- xw2 always

[BURNFOREVER]

It´s unbelieveble!
Scary as Hell.
Damn...
GR4EVR!

[zer00]

That would have been tremendously better without the laughter. It was completely out of place in that scene...or maybe it was just because Nic Cage sucks at fake laughter.

Visually it was great though.

No, you're just not thinking:o

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That transformation looks amazing!

[Mr Nick]

Is it my eyes or is there a point where his right temple spits like a sausage under a grill, like the fat is exploding?

It's just at the point where the orbiting camera is facing him.

That's pretty sick.

:up: :wow:

[Mr. Credible]

i gave it a 9... only because i wanted to see more of it, and i'm upset that they cut it off.

i'm pety. :(

[Tempest19]

god has no part of this

You're right. :cwink: Memphisto does.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Exactly. God has no place in Ghost Rider except maybe as an bored observer. LOL

[WiscoD]

christians are feeling anti- xw2 alwaysAnd why is that?? We arent all bad.

[SurfDUI]

:wow:

[galvatronxlt]

made 2 avatars. If u like u can use it. /Sry to put in this topic./

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7348/grtrans1xr4.gif

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3255/grtrans2wv3.gif
how do you set these as avatars? can they be used for other sites like comicbookresources?

[LastSunrise1981]

The transformation scene just makes me even more excited for the final product.

10 all the way. A little disappointed that the film won't be rated R, as I was really hoping for a more graphic and bloody transformation. But this is awesome as it is and really captured the whole essence of Johnny Blaze/Ghost Rider.

[webhead731]

Some blood would be nice now that you mention it!:up:

I hope they can squeez a little in there.

[Advanced Dark]

how do you set these as avatars? can they be used for other sites like comicbookresources?

Right click on them and copy the URL, or save it to your computer and upload it. Either way. Saving it's always better so you can find them later in case you change them.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That first transformation is amazing, if they keep a similar tone throughout the rest of the movie, then we are for one HELL OF A RIDE (pun intended) guys and gals.

[LastSunrise1981]

The irony of this whole transformation sequence is that I vividly remember having a dream like this too.

This is exactly how it happened only without the creepy laugh. And yes, I did turn into the Ghost Rider, and in the dream I took out an abusive husband and some gang members. Cool dream eh?

:yay:

The special effects of this scene looks so realistic and downright evil too.

[Gotendbz-2]

Thats what happens when you eat to many Rice Crispy treats! Snap Crackle Pop!

[thegameq]

Thank you MSJ. Simply than you.

[FlameHead]

how do you set these as avatars? can they be used for other sites like comicbookresources?

Welcome to the hype Galvatronixlt... and more importantly to the best section of it (here). Unfortunatly, you will not be able to have an Avvy here until you reach 300 posts. When you do, the options to set your avatar are in your control panel.

Anyway, I hope you return for chattin' soon!

[Redvelvetdragon]

Well, I ranked as a ten. It's pretty disturbing but very realistic. I'm glad its not corny!

[FlameHead]

You and me both. The transformation is the one main thing I was worried about for the entire time I've been following this movie and now, I'm worried about nothing.

[Moviefan2k4]

I liked the transformation footage; it really sells the idea of a man's head being burned from within.

As for the rather apparent "Christian-bashing", please allow me one clarifying statement. There is a huge difference between a true believer, and a religious extremist or "fundamentalist". In my experience, many so-called "Fundamentalist Christians" tend to follow the letter of God's law, but they do it rather from fear than love. Being a believer doesn't mean you're automatically perfect, and it doesn't give you the right to bash others, either. God grants grace through Christ and those who accept His sacrifice, and that's all I'll say about that here.

Back to the topic at hand, I'm actually looking forward to the film. Met MSJ at the Wizard Con 2 days ago, and he was very nice. He signed my poster and snapped a fewpics...cool dude.

[Advanced Dark]

Anyone have larger versions of those Avatars???

[theoneandonly]

the sick bastards laughing all the way through the burning

[The Fallen One]

10 all the way! It looks awsome. I can't wait to see it. ~*:hq:

[Canadian Rider]

So is the transformation we see in the clip the first time he changes or does it get easier? I noticed that there are other transformations that go faster in other clips?

Love this - Nic is Johhny B!

[redlion2]

This is the first time I've actually seen the transformation and I've got to say this is verrry cool. I give it a 10.

[Crimson_L]

10- Looks fun:oldrazz:.

[Midnyte_Sun]

If u listen closely you can hear the sound of fried eggs or bacon. :word:

[Mr Nick]

Yeah, it's super-sick! I love the way the skin on his temple and hand explodes.

:woot:

[3 Dev Adam]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/6/19/77611/nicage3.gif

[FlameHead]

If u listen closely you can hear the sound of fried eggs or bacon. :word:

I like eggs and bacon.

[GreenKToo]

Dammmn,that is disturbing.....I love it...10/10

[FlameHead]

I got this in a google alert today:
http://movieandtvnews.blogspot.com/2007/01/bob-ghost-rider-shantaram-21-dali-and-i.html

Director Mark Steven Johnson told Sci Fi Wire that Nicolas Cage had a great idea on the set one day. He said: "Nic convinced me that, although Johnny may be in pain, the Ghost Rider is actually happy about the transformation, and it probably feels really good for him to be unleashed after all this time. And so the screaming with horrible pain that I imagined turned into this maniacal laughter. That made it so much better. We know that the transformation scene is the most important scene in the whole movie, so it was important that we get it right."

It's good to know that they knew the transformation scene's importance!

[BrollySupersj]

I know that every transformation scene won't be like that one. But I wonder it we'll get at least two with the burning, sizzling, screaming, fire, and skin popping.

[3 Dev Adam]

Erm, how can we rate something we didn't even saw?

[BrollySupersj]

Erm, how can we rate something we didn't even saw?


Your....your kidding right?:huh:

[FlameHead]

Erm, how can we rate something we didn't even saw?

I think it's a must that you go to the following link and watch...

http://www.ghostridermovieblog.com/archives/2006/10/a_day_in_the_life_of_johnny_bl.php

[3 Dev Adam]

...and watch PART of the transformation, right?