Episode 04 Discussion - "Collision" | October 16

[erratikmind]

Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) finally tracks down one of his father's fabled genetically advanced "supermen." In Las Vegas, Hiro's (Masi Oka) plan backfires when he cautiously turns time to his advantage at the gambling tables. Niki's (Ali Larter) mafia debtors use their leverage to their benefit in a more elaborate scheme, while Nathan (Adrian Pasdar) pays a personal visit to a wealthy Vegas contributor to raise additional campaign funds.

Following a tragic turn at a bonfire, Claire's (Hayden Panettiere) uncanny healing abilities are put to the ultimate test, but according to Issac's (Santiago Cabrera) paintings, her future could be fraught with even more peril. Meanwhile, Matt's (Greg Grunberg) abilities are gauged by a pair of men who seem to know a great deal about people with special gifts.

Episode 04 - Preview (http://www.heroes-forum.com/media/video/previews/104.wmv)

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[MulligaN Stew]

Hmmm, each one progressively improves; this one sounds of that vein.

I'm hooked.

cool pic:


http://www.lorenjavier.com/cpg133/albums/comiccon2006/20-heroes02-milo-hiro.jpg


Hiro is my hero.

Is Hayden 18 yet? :embarrassed:

[The Punisher]

Nice pic indeed, lol.

[fangrl06]

Hmmm, each one progressively improves; this one sounds of that vein.

I'm hooked.

cool pic:


http://www.lorenjavier.com/cpg133/albums/comiccon2006/20-heroes02-milo-hiro.jpg


Hiro is my hero.

Is Hayden 18 yet? :embarrassed:
I agree. I think each episode will get better and better because the writters have it all mapped out what the want to do, it's just a matter of getting it started.

[SouLeSS]

I dont get the shirts.

[The Squirrel]

Can't wait. Tommorrow night is going to rock!

[erratikmind]

now it's only tonight :) can't wait

[GhostPoet]

I can't believe it....but i'm actually looking forward to this show every week just as much as LOST...and I LOVE Lost.

Freaking amazing show.

[erratikmind]

yeah same, i'm sad though after 4 more lost episodes, we'll have to wait till january for the rest, but at least it's non-stop...no breaks

[Eddie Brock]

I dont get the shirts.
there's not much TO get....:o

[SoulManX]

God 9 can't get here fast nuff....

[erratikmind]

i'm here with ya :(

[Doomed Hero Rising]

They cut her chest open

[AgentPat]

Holy crap! LMAO!! That was intense. Hah! :D

[The Squirrel]

Any one notice that the picture of Mohinder's father was a different actor than last week when they should it in the 'previously on Heroes' part?

[SoulManX]

Damn poor Matt...it seems the black guy can supress powers...

[SoulManX]

Any one notice that the picture of Mohinder's father was a different actor than last week when they should it in the 'previously on Heroes' part?

Yep...the guy that was on the cover last week Erick Avari (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0042805/).

[Doomed Hero Rising]

Does Saresh have powers?

[SouLeSS]

Woo. Go TiVo. I love the whole "no commercials" thing. You're a sucker if you don't have it.

[SoulManX]

Does Saresh have powers?

Doubtful...reminds me of Adam Kane from Mutant X.

[The Squirrel]

Yep...the guy that was on the cover last week Erick Avari (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0042805/).
I wonder why they would do that.

[SoulManX]

I wonder why they would do that.

Maybe to show his dad was India and not Greek looking...

[paulyfknt90]

ooo this episode is good soo far, theres something about nathan i dont like.


some of the heroes finally met! its all sooo interesting, clairs part on the table was soo ill.


it proves more and more that clair cant heal if objects are sticking out of her such as that branch, she has to be free of everything in order to heal


oo its back on!


and yea i noticed the pic on the cover also, that was odd i was like wait wasnt that different last time



ooo and now it just proved that peter is a power copyer

[SoulManX]

Strange thing is Erick is from India....

[Doomed Hero Rising]

Spider-man referance woot woot!

[Morg]

MulligaN Stew, nope, she's only 17 I believe

[SoulManX]

Ok Issac is making my list of favorites...

[The Squirrel]

I really like Isaac. They need to do more with him. I can't wait for Hiro to finally meet and communicate with him about his death.

[SoulManX]

I really like Isaac. They need to do more with him. I can't wait for Hiro to finally meet and communicate with him about his death.

I agree that is going to be one hell of a team up.

[SoulManX]

Look like Sylar is coming for Claire...or her dad?

[Booznian]

In Isaac's vision Clair is being chased by a giant shadow basically. Could this be Sylar? I hope we see the cop one last time for this episode. Whose the Black Guy/What are his powers (Memory eraser?). The one with Clairs dad. What will Clair's dad do with Clair ?lol

[Booznian]

Wtf Black Guys In Suits? Hiro No!

[Doomed Hero Rising]

whoa mirror girl. Have we seen Shylar?
New theory the guy is living in the girl! "Out son"
whoa future Hiro! Its like Cable

[Booznian]

AWWW HIROO!!!

I feel so bad for Niki.

[SoulManX]

I noticed a RAIN MAN homage...nice.

It seems like Sylar is after Pete...

[paulyfknt90]

^ yea haha


oo like peter parker and him taking pictures of spiderman, not cheating

[Spider-Fan83]

how did pete, stop time, i thought, he could only use powers of those near him, hiros still in vega isn't he
and wow we final saw nikiss other side, nice

[O'Haire]

Sure showed him LOL.

Crazy ass ending.:wow:

[Booznian]

Holy **** Wtf Hiro!!!???!?


Heroes Like An Azn!

Wtf

Omfg

Goddd Why Cant It Be On Everynight

[deathshead2]

Did Hiro have a sword how sweet is that.:woot:

[SoulManX]

God I Love This SHOW:yay:

[paulyfknt90]

OMG HIRO FROM THE FUTURE!!!

i thought it was sylar that stoped the train, but i aslo thught it was hiro, but that was just crazy.

he was like a ninja worrier speaking english i might add!



omg this is soo cool

[Spider-Fan83]

"I am hiro, I am from the future" OMFG
that was awsome, great preview too

[SoulManX]

I hate waiting till next MOnday:cmad:

[deathshead2]

This is now the best show on tv. And we can all prove it with one word. "Hiro" Now if only Lost had Hiro maybe I would watch it then.

[hippie_hunter]

Future HIRO :woah:

[SoulManX]

It seems like Claire is a missing piece to the puzzle and Nate flew...sweet.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Hiro from some kind of Apocalyptic future!

Claire killed the Jock!

Nathan is captured!

Nikki kicks ass!

Why can't it be next week already!

[O'Haire]

Best episode so far IMO. Can't wait for next weeks.

[Morg]

I'm glad she killed that dumb jock, he deserves it

[SoulManX]

This puts Smallville to shame....

[Farren]

I noticed a RAIN MAN homage...nice.
I'm so glad someone else caught that!

[StorminNorman]

Future Hiro looks badass. :up:

[The Squirrel]

Did Hiro have a sword how sweet is that.:woot:

Yes, yes he did.

:ninja: Ninja Hiro kicks ass.

This show just keeps getting better and better.

Claire just flat out killed that guy, how whack is that?

[Substance D]

WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!








GREATEST SHOW EVER.

Okay, I'm going to watch Studio60, calm down a bit and come back to discuss this week's episode.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'm glad she killed that dumb jock, he deserves it


Hell yeah! And he was planning on doing it again! The guy was a sexual predator in training.

[Knives122]

This really is a good show, Future Hiro is the cooloest person ever.

I was right when I said the cheerleader was the most interesting character on the show.

[Darkdd]

W
T
F

I'll discuss in a few.

[Gold Samurai]

Why can't it be next week already!

*thinks real hard like Hiro*


nope nothing lol

future hiro with the ninja sword/black clothes and perfect english lol
http://www.excelsis.com/1.0/pics/trunks.jpg
I'm Trun-uhhhh..... Hiro! Yeah, I'm from the future!

nathan looks like he's gonna be doing the superman thing ;)

[Poeman]

dudes... future hiro, this reminds me of dragon ball z...
when trunks came from the future..

what say you all?
http://utenti.lycos.it/bhn/future%20trunks.jpg

[The Squirrel]

Nikki's other side is very protective of both her and her son.

How does Claire's dad get everywhere so fast.

He must have a private jet or something.

[Hiro]

Future Hiro's message:

Sidekicks are a menace!

[SoulManX]

Issac looked almost demon like when he is high....as something I noticed...

In the painting the shadow figure looks like her father...notice the outline of the hair....creepy.

[Triadkd]

Did the QB have sex with claires dead body?

[vampireslayer97]

Ahhhh, I have to watch it again. I'd kill for a Hiro action figure in his ninja suit.

[Spider-Fan83]

Hell yeah! And he was planning on doing it again! The guy was a sexual predator in training.

oh, ya, he needed to die, I bet she's just going to put him in the drivers seat, and walk away lol
and how about that preview, "Save the cheerleader, save the world" I don't even know what it means and it sounds ****** sweet

[StorminNorman]

dudes... future hiro, this reminds me of dragon ball z...
when trunks came from the future..

what say you all?
http://utenti.lycos.it/bhn/future%20trunks.jpg

The funny thing is I could sooo see Hiro actually basing this entire thing on Future Trunks, which is awesome. Future Trunks was always my favorite :D

[Poeman]

Did the QB have sex with claires dead body?

i thgt about that too

[Quasar]

Future Hiro isn't an uber-dork. Nice!

So Peter's going to be getting a scar soon. That should be cool.

Show's picking up some momentum...

[SoulManX]

Did the QB have sex with claires dead body?

Rape and Necro...what a guy.

[BatB]

Save The Cheerleader Save The World, I swear Hiro and Claire are the two greatest characters on the show so far :) Absolutely brilliant! :) HEROES!!!!!!!!! Hey wouldnt it be cool to have a shirt with the eclipse symbol on it :) Definately blows Smallville out of the water. My new favorite television series :) .

[Darkdd]

*thinks real hard like Hiro*


nope nothing lol

future hiro with the ninja sword/black clothes and perfect english lol
http://www.excelsis.com/1.0/pics/trunks.jpg
I'm Trun-uhhhh..... Hiro! Yeah, I'm from the future!

nathan looks like he's gonna be doing the superman thing ;)

dudes... future hiro, this reminds me of dragon ball z...
when trunks came from the future..

what say you all?
http://utenti.lycos.it/bhn/future%20trunks.jpg


FREAKY.

[Morg]

Did the QB have sex with claires dead body?


Because she was naked? I think the jerk stripped her clothings to make it harder to know who she was when he dumped her, it was a school uniform and he wouldn't want the cops know who she was

[SoulManX]

Save The Cheerleader Save The World, I swear Hiro and Claire are the two greatest characters on the show so far :) Absolutely brilliant! :) HEROES!!!!!!!!! Hey wouldnt it be cool to have a shirt with the eclipse symbol on it :) Definately blows Smallville out of the water. My new favorite television series :) .

Millar and Gough wish they could write like this:o

[dabadguy5937]

never knew there was a board for heroes on here all i can say is this show is bad ass but like i wanna know were its going already but when i saw hiro from the future i was like ok this show seems to be moving a little bit faster now every1 is meeting and it seems like this season is gonna all be about saving claire

[GNR]

This one really kept the big kick the show got in Ep3 going.

So much going on,so entertaining,Nikki's inner Hulk is badass,future Hiro looks cool.

I just hope not everyone starts donning black,which would be very typical.

[The Guardian]

THIS SHOW IS DA BOMB, "PUNN INTENDED,":D :up: AND FUTURE HIRO LOOKS AWESOME!!!:eek: THE CHEERLEADER, DUDE, WHAT A WAY TO BRING CRIME TO A SUDDEN STOP, AWESOME!!! NEXT WEEK LOOKS EVEN BETTER!!!:eek: :D :up:

[Anubis]

Wow, Hiro learns perfect English and carries around a Katana. From Comic Geek to Badass. :up:

Hope that rapist football douche is dead.

[Gold Samurai]

Millar and Gough wish they could write like this:o

then next week nathan would fly once for the whole season but forget he even flew in episode 6 plus the budget would be all gone ;) :D

[paulyfknt90]

seriusly that episode blew me away!

save the cheerleader hmm do you think they mean shes important cuz she can heal other people by other people i mean the other heroes?


meaning if they were to ever face sylar they can use clair to heal them and theyd be back and ready to fight.


just thinkin about it.

[Rainer7]

Cool episode, but Hiro is too powerful. Like, way too powerful. He's just learned about his powers and he's able to stop time, swap playing cards without any parties knowing, and he's able to teleport (or move, whatever) other people. So he could technically teleport a knife into someone's heart.

But nevertheless, a cool episode indeed.

[SoulManX]

then next week nathan would fly once for the whole season but forget he even flew in episode 6 plus the budget would be all gone ;) :D

Ah a fellow Smallville view I see....

[SoulManX]

Cool episode, but Hiro is too powerful. Like, way too powerful. He's just learned about his powers and he's able to stop time, swap playing cards without any parties knowing, and he's able to teleport (or move, whatever) other people. So he could technically teleport a knife into someone's heart.

But nevertheless, a cool episode indeed.

Hmmm neva thought about that....

[StorminNorman]

Cool episode, but Hiro is too powerful. Like, way too powerful. He's just learned about his powers and he's able to stop time, swap playing cards without any parties knowing, and he's able to teleport (or move, whatever) other people. So he could technically teleport a knife into someone's heart.

But nevertheless, a cool episode indeed.

but see, thats why Hiro has the power. He has morals and the heroic sense of right and wrong (it took Spider-man to convince him to cheat lol). If anyone should have uber-powers, it should be Hiro. But really, how much more powerful is Hiro than Miss Invincable, or Stripper Hulk or (in reality) Peter's powers, much less Sylar.

[Bishop2]

I just decided to tune into this show tonight out of idle curiosity.

I watched it tonight out of mild curiosity. Moves like a three-legged turtle, doesn't it? I could've built a house out of graham crackers by the time this thing was over.

I liked the Japanese guy and hey, at least I saw a little vigilante justice from Ally McBeal's daughter at the end - that was cool. The politician is a skeevy dick. Kinda wondering when the "Heroes" of the title finally show up. Maybe next year, once the characters are settled into their abilities?

So uh, is the cheerleader's dad evil? The preview for next week sure made it seem that way.

[Substance D]

Cool episode, but Hiro is too powerful. Like, way too powerful. He's just learned about his powers and he's able to stop time, swap playing cards without any parties knowing, and he's able to teleport (or move, whatever) other people. So he could technically teleport a knife into someone's heart.

But nevertheless, a cool episode indeed.

i agree, i hope they introduce some kind of drawback or weakness to his powers.

[Knives122]

Well seeing how he can stop time, he can pretty much change history. Someone dies, he goes back to save them. His powers are potentially the most dangerous out all of them.

[SoulManX]

I just decided to tune into this show tonight out of idle curiosity.

I watched it tonight out of mild curiosity. Moves like a three-legged turtle, doesn't it? I could've built a house out of graham crackers by the time this thing was over.

I liked the Japanese guy and hey, at least I saw a little vigilante justice from Ally McBeal's daughter at the end - that was cool. The politician is a skeevy dick. Kinda wondering when the "Heroes" of the title finally show up. Maybe next year, once the characters are settled into their abilities?

So uh, is the cheerleader's dad evil? The preview for next week sure made it seem that way.

Yea the dad is evil...

[Substance D]

I just decided to tune into this show tonight out of idle curiosity.

I watched it tonight out of mild curiosity. Moves like a three-legged turtle, doesn't it? I could've built a house out of graham crackers by the time this thing was over.

I liked the Japanese guy and hey, at least I saw a little vigilante justice from Ally McBeal's daughter at the end - that was cool. The politician is a skeevy dick. Kinda wondering when the "Heroes" of the title finally show up. Maybe next year, once the characters are settled into their abilities?

So uh, is the cheerleader's dad evil? The preview for next week sure made it seem that way.

um, things are moving pretty quickly. any faster and the show would seem rushed, IMO. and hiro has already become a hero. the others are showing signs of heroism.

[SoulManX]

i agree, i hope they introduce some kind of drawback or weakness to his powers.

Well he has to strain or think real hard....

[Spider-Fan83]

i agree, i hope they introduce some kind of drawback or weakness to his powers.
he seem to have a weakness, when it comes to taking a fist to the face, why couldn't or didn't he freeze time went that was happening lol
he should’ve stopped time and turned the guy to a wall as he was about to punch him lol
I just hope he learns how to use his power with out making that (I’m take a dump) Face lol

[Crowforge]

The drawback is he's just one man. He also can't change too much history since he could keep himself from being born, plus that's not what hero's do.
If anyone can negate powers then they'd be immune to his direct intervention so he'd have to function as a sort of chess master.

Anyway the show's too cool, I finally have a reason to watch TV again.

edit: He also has to concentrate to use his powers and I haven't seen him exist in two places at once so that may also be a drawback, or this is so minor an incident that future hiro didn't think it important enough to change

[R_3]

This episode was awesome. Claire crashing the car was crazy and Hiro in bad ass samurai form speaking fluent english makes me look forward to next weeks episode more than ever...

[Gold Samurai]

Ah a fellow Smallville view I see....

6 years and counting :D been there since the night it premiered

anyways. I'm wondering what happend to the cop

did he get a memory wipe?

is there a "evil group" to fight the heroes( maybe that will stop hiro in his track)

so far we've got sylar, and the black guy and claires dad

[amazingfantasy15]

I'm lovin' this show. Future Hiro looks badass. One thing that's confusing me though is it didn't seem like Hiro knew Ando could speak english in Vegas, but he should know that, loved the Rain Man shot though. I wonder how far into the future Hiro came from. Liked Claire using her powers for "evil". Wonder why/where/when Niki got the half DNA tattoo.

Bishop2, stay with Smallville or the CBS Monday night comedies, they're probably more your speed, easy disposable plots that are resolved in one episode with no lasting effects.

[SouLeSS]

he seem to have a weakness, when it comes to taking a fist to the face, why couldn't or didn't he freeze time went that was happening lol
he should’ve stopped time and turned the guy to a wall as he was about to punch him lol
I just hope he learns how to use his power with out making that (I’m take a dump) Face lol

He obviously can't use his power in a split second...If you had the ability to stop time and such, and someone was speaking in a language you didn't understand, and some big scary blackman came up to you, I doub't you'de vbe able to react in time to dodge that.

[Substance D]

He obviously can't use his power in a split second...If you had the ability to stop time and such, and someone was speaking in a language you didn't understand, and some big scary blackman came up to you, I doub't you'de vbe able to react in time to dodge that.

but he's still learning. when he masters his power he'll be unstoppable. they have to introduce some sort of drawback, or there's no reason he can't go back in time and stop everything from going to hell. maybe he tries, and it alters the future dangerously more. maybe they'll do an episode of him learning the consequences to his power.

[The Question]

Future Hiro rocks. Theough, It seems a little sketchy that the one Asian character eventually gets a katana. :woot:

[SouLeSS]

Well, he's obviously going to be around for many years, and he has the ability to travel back in time, so maybe they can't stop the doom from comming (like I've said before) so he freezes time, or speeds it up to where he won't be harmed, pulls a 'terminator' and comes back to warn them.

Only thing is, the writers clearly know about the whole 'space time continuaum' because they don't have Hiro talking to Present Hiro.

[StorminNorman]

Future Hiro rocks. Theough, It seems a little sketchy that the one Asian character eventually gets a katana. :woot:

Well the comic shows that he has deep respect for his ancestory.

[Motown Marvel]

This puts Smallville to shame....

dude, dora the explorer puts smallville to shame.

as for the episode: i thought it was a decent episode. but honestly, most of it was filler just to get us to the last 15 minutes (which f**king rocked, by the way). i hope thats not a formula that the show adopts (filler, filler, filler, CLIFFHANGER!). still though.....awesome show!

[amazingfantasy15]

I don't think the first 45 minutes were filler, we got a lot of great stuff. Mohinder confronting Nathan, which made Mohinder loss faith in his "mission". Claire's father's "conversation" with Greg Grunberg. Hiro learning cheating at poker isn't all that bad, it's just like Peter Parker selling pictures of Spidey. Claire's father becoming more and more suspicious of what Claire's up to.

[The Question]

Well the comic shows that he has deep respect for his ancestory.

Plus, you know, katanas are cool. :woot:

[Tyrinus]

Any other place to download episodes other than NBC? I can't get them to work from there, and I missed tonight's episode. :(

[IzzyJG99]

Oh, shiz. It's Future Hiro! Haha...Oh man that was badass. He was all in a black jacket with a Katana. Oh, shiz that was awesome.

[IzzyJG99]

You're all right. This puts Smallville to shame. This puts most comic books to shame. This is what you get when you let Jeph Loeb and his Comic Book Gang of Hoodlums ( I mean that in a good way ) have a say in a comic book inspired heroes show.

Judging by how Hiro looked in the future...some whacky stuff is commin' and it's gonna get more "Comic Booky" which would be cool. I especially love the Brothers. How the older one flies off into the sky all Superman like and the other being a Power Mimic. He's got a real important part to play.

[Hiruu]

Good episode, and it tied up alot of loose ends. The connection points are also being made with the cast of characters, but there's so much more to leearn about. I'm already thinking about the season ending cliffhanger...it's going to be a dozy...with that Future Hiro, evidently, the prevented explosion in NYC is just the start.

[SoulManX]

[quote=Motown Marvel]dude, dora the explorer puts smallville to shame.


LOL

[Substance D]

I thought this show was going to focus on alot of the normal, everyday Dawson's Creek drama of the main character's lives, but surpisingly it's cutting straight to the bone, and leaving you hungry for more. It's just amazing how much I find myself enjoying this show. It gets better every week. The characters I found annoying and cliche in the first episode are growing on me, and I feel myself rooting for them. This is great television.

[StorminNorman]

Any pics of Future Hiro? I need him for my Avy :(

[StorminNorman]

Stepping away from Bad-Ass Hiro for a second, who do you think Mr. Glasses took from the bed? Nikki or Nathan? I am thinkin Nathan for the simple fact that he was on Slyars map (which means that even if Sylar is not with MRG, he is identifiable as a Super) and we see him flyin away on the previews.

[amazingfantasy15]

Stepping away from Bad-Ass Hiro for a second, who do you think Mr. Glasses took from the bed? Nikki or Nathan? I am thinkin Nathan for the simple fact that he was on Slyars map (which means that even if Sylar is not with MRG, he is identifiable as a Super) and we see him flyin away on the previews.

It had to be Nathan.

[amazingfantasy15]

Watching next week's preview again, badass Hiro must be from a year or two in the future because it looks like he has a very long pony tail.

[Gold Samurai]

Watching next week's preview again, badass Hiro must be from a year or two in the future because it looks like he has a very long pony tail.

in 2 years he gained the ability to speak perfect english as well ;)

he went from

"Nissan versaa!"

"go yankees!"

to

"I have a messege for you" lol

[KniteYxSpydeY]

Maybe even further. I mean, the man spoke perfect english! :wow:

And wait...if something from the future requires the cheerleader to be saved, doesn't that mean Hiro of now might not become bad-ass Hiro of the future?

[amazingfantasy15]

Any other place to download episodes other than NBC? I can't get them to work from there, and I missed tonight's episode. :(

You can download the episodes from iTunes, costs $1.99 though.

[Mister J]

Damn, I love this show. That last 15 minutes was insane; Nikki kicking ass, Claire's revenge and the wacky ass ending. Hiro was actually tolerable this week and his future self was wicked. Next week looks great.

[Wolfwood]

Stepping away from Bad-Ass Hiro for a second, who do you think Mr. Glasses took from the bed? Nikki or Nathan? I am thinkin Nathan for the simple fact that he was on Slyars map (which means that even if Sylar is not with MRG, he is identifiable as a Super) and we see him flyin away on the previews.

I think it was Nathan because they showed the black guy and Mr. Glasses (what are their names again?) chasing Nathan while he was wearing what looked liked hospital scrubs then taking off on them.

I liked that Niki's kid revealed that he has known all along what she does. Now everytime she does what she does, she has that knowledge that her kid knows she's doing it. I can't imagine she is going to want to stay in that life any longer, but how would her other half feel about it? I mean so far it's done only things that would benefit Niki, but who's to say it's just not looking out for it's best interest and that it wants to lead a life of it's own?

Oh and I said it before in another thread, but: Hiro as a time traveling ninja? ****ing awesome. :up:

[Gold Samurai]

You can download the episodes from iTunes, costs $1.99 though.

or wait a few hours for heroes-forum to have it for download

anyone think this future isn't set in stone?

i was thinking that much like the nov 8 bomb it can all be changed so this future hiro is a possiblity in a infinite number of possible futures

[X-Ray]

Future Hiro kicks ass :ninja::up:

I guess we can take it that he'll be staying in the USA long after stopping the bombing of Nov. 8th. I guess him losing his geekiness could mean something seriously bad happens that makes him that way. Idk .. just a thought. Now comes the long wait on what he has to tell Pete :huh: It would probably be something obvious like ... save the girl ... save the world ... :huh:

In a couple of hours you can watch it online (http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/?show=heroes).

[arty2]

We NEED PICTURES OF BADASS HIRO!!!! That was awesome!!!!

[Motown Marvel]

i wonder if these characters will be the same characters used next season. like, the characters we follow now are being followed because they serve the purpose of the story at hand. but next season, a different story will be told, so maybe we'll be following the lives of different characters.

[muscaremy]

good ****....wish i were hiro cuz oi dont wanna wait a week....and can someone make a list of the half dna thing in reference to where we saw it...cuz so far im remembering nikkis tattoo,old man shoresh's comp, and the pool


and of course now i notice the thread for it

[Mixairian]

****... I got a lot to catch up on.

[MoPlaYa43]

I`m hooked on this show...this episode was the best IMO...Can`t wait until next week

[zanos]

I was waiting to see this episode so I could find out what happened to Claire but they pretty much blew past her entire subplot to move the story along. I don't even know how she got home half naked. The ending however did make up for it because it blew me away. As for Nikki, she is officially eye candy because I am so freaking bored with her and her so called "powers." Her character really can't move fast enough.

[Majmun]

I don't think anyone has mentioned anything about the tattoo that Nikki has on the back of the base of her neck. It's the "S" symbol thing. Does that mean she's a villian?

Also, in the previews it shows Peter's eyes turning white like Isaac's did, so I guess he will be doing a painting as well to prove to Shuresh that he can copy powers when he's near other heroes.

Future Hiro is great! I wonder what message he has for Peter.

What happened to the cop? They never said anything else and I didn't notice anything in the previews.

[SouLeSS]

You know what I just realized? Hiro was awesome because he was so giddy and, well, japanese. With him being all 'future Hiro' I think he's going to lose some of that appeal. But ya know, he'll gain more for being a total ninja badass.

[Hiro]

When the evil dad/hornrim glasses guy says something like 'go deeper and then clean him out' I wonder if he means to remove the cops brain?

I think the short haired neighbour lady working with Mohindar is actually working for the bad guys.

[SouLeSS]

Well, one of the previews has the cop's head cut in half and his brain exposed, so probably.

[AnimeJune]

Okay, the episode is great, but the whole slow-as-molasses-building-until-FREAKIN'-COOL-END-TWIST pattern these episodes seem to be following can get tiresome.

Okay, now I hate Nathan even MORE - he's got TWO KIDS, he says he's happy with his marriage, but he still sleeps with Nikki? You're a politician! You SHOULD KNOW BETTER!

The Nikki kick-ass part was pretty cool - especially when she says "our son" - so there ARE two personalities! I'm thinking she got the second one when she was tatooed with that s-like symbol.

I thought it was funny when Mr Bennett said, "Just take the one", when looking at Nathan and Nikki - because really, there are three. ;)

Peter's plotline was pretty m'eh - and Suresh didn't mature at all this episode - he spent the entire time whining about how he doesn't believe his father's work anymore.

Ando really needs to stop speaking English. Like, right now. *lol*

The "Hiro from the Future" scene was awesome, and I was totally intrigued when he said he couldn't recognize Peter without his scar. Scar? Will it be a sexy scar? I certainly hope so.

But I'm a little wary of any future that relies on samurai swords and soulpatch goatees. Seriously, Hiro.

Also, with Claire's storyline - I was put off by the whole "you're never going to change, are you?" exchange while she was driving the car. It was like they were trying to justify what she does, but there's no excusing it - she's probably killed or crippled him. A sixteen year old boy. Nice going, Claire.

[PLAS]

Okay, the episode is great, but the whole slow-as-molasses-building-until-FREAKIN'-COOL-END-TWIST pattern these episodes seem to be following can get tiresome.

Okay, now I hate Nathan even MORE - he's got TWO KIDS, he says he's happy with his marriage, but he still sleeps with Nikki? You're a politician! You SHOULD KNOW BETTER!

The Nikki kick-ass part was pretty cool - especially when she says "our son" - so there ARE two personalities! I'm thinking she got the second one when she was tatooed with that s-like symbol.

I thought it was funny when Mr Bennett said, "Just take the one", when looking at Nathan and Nikki - because really, there are three. ;)

Peter's plotline was pretty m'eh - and Suresh didn't mature at all this episode - he spent the entire time whining about how he doesn't believe his father's work anymore.

Ando really needs to stop speaking English. Like, right now. *lol*

The "Hiro from the Future" scene was awesome, and I was totally intrigued when he said he couldn't recognize Peter without his scar. Scar? Will it be a sexy scar? I certainly hope so.

But I'm a little wary of any future that relies on samurai swords and soulpatch goatees. Seriously, Hiro.

Also, with Claire's storyline - I was put off by the whole "you're never going to change, are you?" exchange while she was driving the car. It was like they were trying to justify what she does, but there's no excusing it - she's probably killed or crippled him. A sixteen year old boy. Nice going, Claire.
he raped and killed her, and had raped some other girl, and blamed it on her, like he was doing to claire, so well, there's no justification then to it

as far as the scar, how can it be a sexy scar if he didn't recognize him? HE COULDN'T RECOGNIZE HIM WITHOUT HIS SCAR!!!! think, dammit!!!!

but yeah, overall great episode, but yes, the show needs to keep the tension throughout and not do what they did last night, there were a lot of very cool things, but it all felt like a prelude for the last 15 minutes.

they need to work on that

and yes, future Hiro rocks all kinds of asses

http://i11.tinypic.com/43wcw3k.jpg

[dpm07]

That episode was awesome! Seeing Future Hiro only makes me like him even more, and he's already my favorite character. I wonder what Peter's role is, since it seemed important for Hiro to find him.

I like Suresh, but he definitely has to mature and take a leadership role. He's got really great potential.

I can't blame Claire for acting on her emotions and doing what she did. She's hardcore, but definitely one of the good guys.

I personally like how things are playing out, and are not too rushed. It's moving forward, and is really getting me pumped for the next episode.

[AnimeJune]

he raped and killed her, and had raped some other girl, and blamed it on her, like he was doing to claire, so well, there's no justification then to it

She didn't kill him in self-defense. She deliberately, and with pre-meditation, offered to drive his car with that in mind. That is MURDER. Technically, it's WORSE than what he did - he killed her by ACCIDENT. She committed PRE-MEDITATED MURDER. Which is WRONG, and EVIL, and INEXCUSABLE.

If she'd killed him defending herself from his attacks, that would have been excusable. If she'd killed him defending another girl from his attacks, that would have been excusable. While he was an immature rapist, that did NOT give her the right to kill him out of hand. It was a cold-blooded act and I have zero faith in her character now.

That's not to say she won't be interesting to watch, but I don't consider her a hero anymore.

[Bishop2]

http://i11.tinypic.com/43wcw3k.jpg

That sword-lookin' handle is probably just a wiffleball bat or something.

[Bishop2]

She didn't kill him in self-defense. She deliberately, and with pre-meditation, offered to drive his car with that in mind. That is MURDER. Technically, it's WORSE than what he did - he killed her by ACCIDENT. She committed PRE-MEDITATED MURDER. Which is WRONG, and EVIL, and INEXCUSABLE.

If she'd killed him defending herself from his attacks, that would have been excusable. If she'd killed him defending another girl from his attacks, that would have been excusable. While he was an immature rapist, that did NOT give her the right to kill him out of hand. It was a cold-blooded act and I have zero faith in her character now.

That's not to say she won't be interesting to watch, but I don't consider her a hero anymore.

Well... it obviously all depends on your personal moral barometer.

Is it evil to maim or possibly even kill someone to prevent them from raping teenage girls?

Hmmmmmmmm... I wouldn't call that evil at all. But definitely highly debatable. Kinda like The Punisher gunning down criminals so they can't be set free to commit more crimes. Not evil, but questionable.

[PLAS]

She didn't kill him in self-defense. She deliberately, and with pre-meditation, offered to drive his car with that in mind. That is MURDER. Technically, it's WORSE than what he did - he killed her by ACCIDENT. She committed PRE-MEDITATED MURDER. Which is WRONG, and EVIL, and INEXCUSABLE.

If she'd killed him defending herself from his attacks, that would have been excusable. If she'd killed him defending another girl from his attacks, that would have been excusable. While he was an immature rapist, that did NOT give her the right to kill him out of hand. It was a cold-blooded act and I have zero faith in her character now.

That's not to say she won't be interesting to watch, but I don't consider her a hero anymore.
have you ever been raped?

[AnimeJune]

have you ever been raped? Murder > Rape. If you're raped, you can move on, you can keep on living, you still have a future with possibilities.

When you're dead, there is NO way to redeem yourself, NO future, and really, NO justice.

Rape is bad - and that jock was an a-hole, no doubt, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die. She planned it in ADVANCE! That was vengeance - and vengeance in that manner in morally wrong no matter how you slice it.

[Enzyme]

Some of you people are really, really, really, really, really, really easily impressed.

The only good part about this episode was Hiro getting hit in the face. I like Hiro, but that was comedy. And there as nothing "OMG!! Awesome!" about future Hiro. "You look different without your scar." What? Seriously? That's some pretty bad writing. "Peter has a scar in the future!!! Holy Sheyat, the future must be wicked scary." Who the hell is stupid enough to say that to someone's panicking past self when you're trying to keep them calm. The only thing you're going to do is make the fact that time has stopped even more horrifying.

Nikki's 'Hulk', felt about as threatening as acne. I didn't like Nikki/Ali to begin with, but this pathetic attempted at being 'bad-ass' makes me hate her more. Her "You're different" interaction with her son was something else we could have done without. Terrible.

Claire killed the rapist, finally something to like about her. We need someone who doesn't have a problem with killing people. Claire>Nikki/Hulk

Nathan, yawn. Shuresh, yawn. Peter's love triangle with FuturePaint, boring. She's not even that attractive. It's really hard to like anyone in this show apart from Hiro.

People have compared it to Lost, it's far, very far, very very very far from being anywhere near as good as Lost. And someone said it puts Smallville to shame, then Smallville must be one of the badly written, boring shows ever made and I'm glad I never view it as anything more than Superman trying to be Spider-Man.

[PLAS]

Murder > Rape. If you're raped, you can move on, you can keep on living, you still have a future with possibilities.

When you're dead, there is NO way to redeem yourself, NO future, and really, NO justice.

Rape is bad - and that jock was an a-hole, no doubt, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die. She planned it in ADVANCE! That was vengeance - and vengeance in that manner in morally wrong no matter how you slice it.
yeah, whatever, I asked a question, you have not answered it

[Bishop2]

That was vengeance - and vengeance in that manner in morally wrong no matter how you slice it.

Well, I get the feeling the writers of the show don't see it your way. But you're welcome to your opinion. As I said, it's entirely a matter of personal moral barometer. I for one am a big fan of vengeance. :p

But I know how you feel, because I watched seven seasons of Buffy, and by the sixth year I thought they all became complete a-holes. :csad:

[AnimeJune]

yeah, whatever, I asked a question, you have not answered itBecause I know your response. I'm going to say, "I have not been raped", and you'll say, "Then you can't possibly understand Claire's situation, blah blah blah".

There's no excuse for rape.

There's no excuse for murder, either.

Claire is supposed to be a HERO - HEROES are above that.

[Bishop2]

Her "You're different" interaction with her son was something else we could have done without. Terrible.

I have to admit I cringed at that. It was a really, really forced little piece of dialogue. Ali played her reaction as well as could be hoped for, though, so kudos for that.

Claire killed the rapist, finally something to like about her.

I wouldn't be so sure. I bet we find out he's alive next week.

Peter's love triangle with FuturePaint, boring. She's not even that attractive.

She'd look better if she changed the weird hairdo. But she's pretty enough.

someone said it puts Smallville to shame, then Smallville must be one of the badly written, boring shows ever made

I tried to watch it for two seasons. I assure you, it really is that bad.

[Bishop2]

Claire is supposed to be a HERO - HEROES are above that.

What makes you so sure she's a hero? Despite the title, I imagine not all of these people are going to turn out to be heroes. Captain Futurepaint, for example, is someone I completely expect to become a villian. And Claire could just be an anti-hero in the making - as I said, someone who will grow progressively grimmer and more brutal in how she handles evildoers, someone in the "Punisher" vein.

[IzzyJG99]

This brings up a good question. Why does Hiro visit Peter. Interesting. I get the feeling he's sort of one of the most powerful "Heroes." He's a power mimic and I think that makes him important to the plot line. Big plot device. Hopefully after encountering Hiro, Peter will be able to briefly mimic his time stopping powers so he can show proof to "Apu."

[AnimeJune]

Well, I get the feeling the writers of the show don't see it your way. But you're welcome to your opinion. As I said, it's entirely a matter of personal moral barometer. I for one am a big fan of vengeance. :p

But I know how you feel, because I watched seven seasons of Buffy, and by the sixth year I thought they all became complete a-holes. :csad:I don't think it really comes down to the writers' morals - it's an interesting plot point, one I'm willing to keep watching. Antiheroes can be just as interesting as heroes. This doesn't mean I'm not going to enjoy watching what happens to Claire, or that the show is in any way immoral.

I'm just saying that Claire can't exactly call herself a good guy anymore. Shades of grey.

I enjoyed the last seasons of Buffy, but I agree - morally grey people everywhere, what with the Crazy Willow and lovey-dovey Spike and the redemption of Andrew.
This brings up a good question. Why does Hiro visit Peter. Interesting. I get the feeling he's sort of one of the most powerful "Heroes." He's a power mimic and I think that makes him important to the plot line. Big plot device. Hopefully after encountering Hiro, Peter will be able to briefly mimic his time stopping powers so he can show proof to "Apu."Okay, I don't get it - where does the idea that Peter's mimicking people come from? The only power he's ever shown is that of flying - and Isaac showed a picture of him flying!

[AnimeJune]

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[Bishop2]

Peter said that after he was near Isaac, he drew the future, and after he was around his brother, he flew. Hence the mimic thing.

[WildChild]

This show is fan friggintastic.It's like watching a comic book,I love the cliff hanger endings to every episode.

[AnimeJune]

Peter said that after he was near Isaac, he drew the future, and after he was around his brother, he flew. Hence the mimic thing.Hey....yeah! I wondered about that little stick-figure drawing he did. Wow - I totally didn't get that before. I'm a little disappointed - I really wanted Peter to be the flying dude, but Nathan will have to do, I guess.

[Bishop2]

Ah yes, Nathan. The "happily married" politician with the power to... sleep with the first willing chick he meets in Vegas. Dick.

[AnimeJune]

By the way, do you know where I can find a preview video for the fifth episode? I live in Canada, so the NBC version is pre-empted by one from a Canadian station that doesn't show the preview.

[kane9321]

spiderman reference= awsome
dayum claire....its like that?
nikki you rock girl

HERO FROM THE FUTURE...HOLY $@^@:)

[kane9321]

*thinks real hard like Hiro*


nope nothing lol

future hiro with the ninja sword/black clothes and perfect english lol
http://www.excelsis.com/1.0/pics/trunks.jpg
I'm Trun-uhhhh..... Hiro! Yeah, I'm from the future!

nathan looks like he's gonna be doing the superman thing ;)


DAMN YOU BEAT ME TO IT..I WAS THINKING...TRUNKS

[PLAS]

Because I know your response. I'm going to say, "I have not been raped", and you'll say, "Then you can't possibly understand Claire's situation, blah blah blah".

There's no excuse for rape.

There's no excuse for murder, either.

Claire is supposed to be a HERO - HEROES are above that.
of course there's no excuse for either, and that's exactly what makes her character even better

but think about this for a moment, this girl is really conflicted about what's happening to herself, she a frigging cheerleader, chances are she has never been that connected to the whole geek world (how many cheerleaders do you know that are comic or sci fi geeks?), all that is not sitting well with her

and suddenly she gets date raped and murdered by a guy she liked, and wakes up all opened and on a slab... I can bet you a hundred she was a little bit ticked off, now add the fact that she knows that someone else had been put through that before, what she did, although is not acceptable (it's as acceptable as Hiro cheating in Vegas or Niki and Nathan sleeping together), it's just natural that she did it

did you notice how she felt guilty of what had happened to her? as if she had been the one that caused it? her acting was on spot throughout the episode, specially when she got home

a very frequent theme I've seen on the show is preciesly how normal people are reacting to something they cannot understand

[PLAS]

Ah yes, Nathan. The "happily married" politician with the power to... sleep with the first willing chick he meets in Vegas. Dick.
anyone noticed how he's starting to wonder about his powers?

[The Sage]

Very cool episode. It looks like Claire is actually gonna use her ability at least once, despite the evil intentions. Great to know the most powerful one has a moral code. Nathan must be embracing his power if he's thinking about flying. Interesting take on the painter's ability, and those drawings are pure Tim Sale, love it. And it's about time Shuresh ran into a hero.

But dang, what happened to Matt? He was only in the beginning and never seen again?

Future Hiro! It caught me off guard at first, but it makes sense that he could travel back in time. Glad to know he picks up English somewhere down the line. And nice homage to Dragonball-Z.

I may need to watch it a second time, but for now thumbs up on this one.

[NoirMan82]

This show is so frickin' awesome. Somehow it gets me more pumped with each new episode. Future Hiro was unexpected and cool. It's also safe to say that the heroes will become aquainted with each other in the near future. I loved the whole episode, I can't wait for next week!

[Darthphere]

They should really change the name to Hiro and kick everyone else out.

[kane9321]

Claire was totally justified to do what she did. She's straight gangsta

[NoirMan82]

Some of you people are really, really, really, really, really, really easily impressed.

The only good part about this episode was Hiro getting hit in the face. I like Hiro, but that was comedy. And there as nothing "OMG!! Awesome!" about future Hiro. "You look different without your scar." What? Seriously? That's some pretty bad writing. "Peter has a scar in the future!!! Holy Sheyat, the future must be wicked scary." Who the hell is stupid enough to say that to someone's panicking past self when you're trying to keep them calm. The only thing you're going to do is make the fact that time has stopped even more horrifying.

Nikki's 'Hulk', felt about as threatening as acne. I didn't like Nikki/Ali to begin with, but this pathetic attempted at being 'bad-ass' makes me hate her more. Her "You're different" interaction with her son was something else we could have done without. Terrible.

Claire killed the rapist, finally something to like about her. We need someone who doesn't have a problem with killing people. Claire>Nikki/Hulk

Nathan, yawn. Shuresh, yawn. Peter's love triangle with FuturePaint, boring. She's not even that attractive. It's really hard to like anyone in this show apart from Hiro.

People have compared it to Lost, it's far, very far, very very very far from being anywhere near as good as Lost. And someone said it puts Smallville to shame, then Smallville must be one of the badly written, boring shows ever made and I'm glad I never view it as anything more than Superman trying to be Spider-Man.

Man, want some cheese with all that whine? Heroes is a great show because it's high in quality and drama. It gives us just enough to get excited about, but leaves us wanting more. Lost is well acted, but after 3 seasons they really should get to the point. Every episode of Lost I see I just go "huh?" and nothing is explained. Smallville is a good show, but not really in the smae vein as Heroes. Smallville has really lost it's way here and there and is just now getting back on track. This should be it's last season, but I doubt it. Heroes brings us something that we haven't really had on TV since "V" or "Alien Nation", that is a Sci-Fi or action show done in a very realistic and interesting manner. If you don't like, don't watch it, so we don't have to hear you complain.

[Bishop2]

They should really change the name to Hiro and kick everyone else out.

Better yet, just change the spelling to "Hiros" and make it all about the adventures of Present Hiro and Future Hiro! The ultimate buddy story!

[Brainiac 8]

They should really change the name to Hiro and kick everyone else out.

:up:

[IzzyJG99]

Hey....yeah! I wondered about that little stick-figure drawing he did. Wow - I totally didn't get that before. I'm a little disappointed - I really wanted Peter to be the flying dude, but Nathan will have to do, I guess.


He's a Power Mimic because Jeph Loeb said he is. In a TV Guide interview after the pilot preimere Jeph said that Peter is a power mimic. Anyone who he is in contact with that is special he is able to mimic their powers. He's able to fly when he's with Nathan, he's able to see the future almost on command when around Issac. Obviously when he is around Hiro, he will be able to mimic Hiro's powers. To what extent he can mimic is unknown.

Power Mimics are tough customers in the comics, I tell you. It'll be interesting to see Peter go up against that black dude who has unknown telepathic abilities. I expect a good little scene to be exchanged between them.

[Gold Samurai]

That sword-lookin' handle is probably just a wiffleball bat or something.


haha i find it coincidentally your named bishop from x-men who traveled back in time.

this could have easily been a season finale but then again the endings for the eps so far all have that "unresolved" feeling

I have an audio file of "super hero time" from sentai but no video to go along with it
http://www.sendspace.com/file/mj7i2i

for those unfamilar with sentai. They start some of their shows with

"super hero time!! starts now!"

[Armand Z Trip]

Ah yes, Nathan. The "happily married" politician with the power to... sleep with the first willing chick he meets in Vegas. Dick.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas...unless millions of people are watching on NBC I suppose. Great episode. Really enjoying this show.

[AtrophyG4]

Because I know your response. I'm going to say, "I have not been raped", and you'll say, "Then you can't possibly understand Claire's situation, blah blah blah".

There's no excuse for rape.

There's no excuse for murder, either.

Claire is supposed to be a HERO - HEROES are above that.

Take a look at this weeks graphic novel "Aftermath" before you give up on her.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

[chesslover]

I believe the first 3 shows will air this Sunday night.

[AnimeJune]

He's a Power Mimic because Jeph Loeb said he is. In a TV Guide interview after the pilot preimere Jeph said that Peter is a power mimic. Anyone who he is in contact with that is special he is able to mimic their powers. He's able to fly when he's with Nathan, he's able to see the future almost on command when around Issac. Obviously when he is around Hiro, he will be able to mimic Hiro's powers. To what extent he can mimic is unknown.

Power Mimics are tough customers in the comics, I tell you. It'll be interesting to see Peter go up against that black dude who has unknown telepathic abilities. I expect a good little scene to be exchanged between them.Now, now - for one thing, it might be a rather useless power in some respects. So far, he's mimicked the powers mildly. Around his soaring brother, he hovers. Around the psychic artist, he doodles one incident. Besides, if anyone can consistantly defend themselves against one power, it would have to be their own power, don't you think?

And to continue my argument with PLAS - I'm not sure she was raped. He was definitely going to DO it had she not been so inconveniently skewered, but they never specify what happens afterward other than that he tried to dispose of the body.

And her attack - it wasn't natural. She didn't just fly into a rage and kill him in a fit of vengeful passion. She planned it - she was perfectly calm throughout the whole driving incident. That took conscious thought.

[dusk soldier]

Well... it obviously all depends on your personal moral barometer.

Is it evil to maim or possibly even kill someone to prevent them from raping teenage girls?Yes, especially when you don't even try using other less fatal methods to stop the rapist first.

Right now she has a very weak sense of right and wrong. She is the type of character that the villian(s) will probably turn.

[Morg]

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas...unless millions of people are watching on NBC I suppose. Great episode. Really enjoying this show.


Unless you get STD ;) then it sure doesn't stay in Vegas :D

[Spider-Fan83]

Yes, especially when you don't even try using other less fatal methods to stop the rapist first.

Right now she has a very weak sense of right and wrong. She is the type of character that the villian(s) will probably turn.

the guy killed her and dumped her body in the river, if it wasn't her, it would of been some other girl who really would of died, and he pretty much said he'd do it again.
what else would she do go to the cops and say this guy tried to rap me, and killed me, even though I don't have a stratch on me.
anyway, who said he die

[Morg]

Also, with Claire's storyline - I was put off by the whole "you're never going to change, are you?" exchange while she was driving the car. It was like they were trying to justify what she does, but there's no excusing it - she's probably killed or crippled him. A sixteen year old boy. Nice going, Claire.


Unless you have someone you know who's been raped you don't know nothing of what it does to a women especially to a child-as long as I live I will never forget the look of a child face after she was raped. My ex was raped(twice!) and 3 of my cousins, I know the horror of it and I agree 100% rapist should get the death penatly, I'm glad Claire killed him or serious maim him. No great lose to me, world be better off without those type of people

[AirKnight82]

it was a great episode last night! Everything I thought was going to happen happened and then the end was totally kick ass! I mean Hiro from the future with a sweet sword/english/wierd eye! Claire is going to obvisioulsy get what is coming to her due to the accident (why else would they have to save her? Save the cheerleader, save the world!)
Plus we finally see Nikis other side come out, that was freakin awesome. I'm just with the rest of the few people wondering about the cop, and with the whole mind wipe thing?

[AnimeJune]

Take a look at this weeks graphic novel "Aftermath" before you give up on her.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/ Ah...well this certainly explains a lot. Still, while she only intending to freak him out, a car accident is an incredibly risky way to go about doing it, don't you think?

She does save him, though, so she does redeem herself. Thank you for showing this to me, it definitely explains her reasoning a lot more than her really creepy in-car scene. What's going to happen now that he knows?

Morg, that's awful - I didn't intend to insinuate that rape isn't deserving of punishment (castration would be my punishment of choice, actually....). It's understandable what Claire did, and her actions in the comic show that she came through, but two wrongs never make a right - they just make more wrong.

[Morg]

Morg, that's awful - I didn't intend to insinuate that rape isn't deserving of punishment (castration would be my punishment of choice, actually....). It's understandable what Claire did, and her actions in the comic show that she came through, but two wrongs never make a right - they just make more wrong.


castration doesn't always work *taps head* that's the part where's the sickos gets his kicks and I know one dude even after being castrated he still attacked a girl using his hands and mouth on her, jail for life or death is the only way to stop them.

[AnimeJune]

castration doesn't always work *taps head* that's the part where's the sickos gets his kicks and I know one dude even after being castrated he still attacked a girl using his hands and mouth on her, jail for life or death is the only way to stop them.Oh.....kay.

I'm never leaving my house again.

Jail for life!

[Dread]

This episode kicked rear, even if it lacked the action sequence of last week (Matt vs. Syler). The characters are starting to come together after the first month's worth of episodes, either directly (Peter meeting with Mohinder to find Isaac, or Nikki having sex with Nathan) or indirectly (Hiro & his buddy happening to be in Vegas at the same time Nikki & Nathan are). When I hear the talk of Mohinder's father's research and the whole "evolution" theory they have to explain the sudden burst of super-powers, yeah, I'll admit it does sound a lot like "mutants" and the X-Men (only without the derogitory term like "mutant"). But that's not a major problem for me. Shows, comics, etc. take bits and pieces from what was done before all the time. How many times has Superman's premise been ripped off? So it's nothing to get upset over.

The show also does have some "stereotypes", the newest being that the only male black character yet to show up is, of course, working for a white guy (Claire's connected dad, who may or may not be Syler). This minion apparently may have some sort of psychic powers, as he caused Matt to fall unconsious in the bar and was ordered to "wipe him clean" by Claire's dad (who works for your "generic evil secret organization", although their purpose and intentions aren't known, but if they're kidnapping people/characters, the audience will see them as evil). Again, despite how cool the show is, it does have stereotypes; blond cheerleader, nerdy Japanese "otaku", an Indian guy acting in a "sage" role connecting people, etc. But, like the allusions to the X-Men, I'm enjoying the show enough that it doesn't really matter. We'd go nuts trying to count all the stereotypes TV projects anyway (Italians usually still have it rough; most times they're only featured prominantly when they're either being goofy "Mamma Mia" jokesters or mobsters).

But maybe there is another angle of inspiration...DBZ? I know, a longshot, but Hiro, especially at the end, is starting to remind me of Trunks; dorky in the present, bad-arse in the Future. That final scene with Peter meeting "Future Hiro", complete with a suit, a sword (right?) and a confident command of English and his powers all but stole the show for me, which ain't bad for a cliffhanger.

I still wonder how long they're going to insist that Isaac shoot up to use his powers; does HEROES really want to "encourage" it? I can imagine Conservatives bursting a vein about it. I like that he, like Hiro, is trying to be heroic with his gifts, but the drug thing may turn people off eventually. Granted, there are superheroes who relied on drugs; Hourman, Elongated Man, Patriot, and really anyone who's taken the "super soldier serum", which is basically a steriod. But that's not the same as heroin. I get that it's edgy, I just hope HEROES doesn't overdo it.

We finally got to see Nikki's "Ms. Hyde" form, and there're no bulging muscles or green skin, just a nastier demeaner, some combat instinct and enough strength to manhandle a guy who outweighed her by maybe 100 lbs. I can see where the writers are being truthful to comparing HEROES to UNBREAKABLE; the superpowers are kept at a less-ridiculous level, at least for now (although time travel is rather hardcore). But I doubt we'll see Nikki throwing cars through buildings.

Peter's power was finally defined as a sort of "omnipower" simular to Synch or Rogue, in that he gains whatever powers of the "special" he is near. He's closest to his brother Nathan but also briefly gained Isaac's power (a tidbit I'd forgotten). On the downside, this sort of power is commonly used for plot-device purposes. On the upside, this means that he and Nathan don't have to hold hands and share a "sibling power" like the Wonder Twins, Fenris, or Mas & Menos, which is a huge upside to me, because I HATE that gimmick. I also wonder if Peter may get "messed up" if he is amung more than one special. Could he command all of their powers at once, or pick one at a time, or go out of control and spasm?

Claire also went through the ringer, waking up in the morgue, sneaking home and then getting revenge on her remourseless, date-raping jock of an ex (another stereotype), which was cool. Despite her seeming apathy towards things she has done some heroic stuff, saving a fireman and now doing a bit of "vigilante" justice. Her father obviously is keeping some eye on her but eventually other people are going to notice it. Her connection to her dad is probably why a clue is "save the cheerleader, save the world".

Hiro & his buddy did some power-betting in Vegas, which was an amusing scene. Hiro didn't think it was right using his powers that way and it looks like a bit of "karma" proved him right (although cheating as he did at the poker match was asking for it; of course the cowboy would notice his hand change in an eyeblink and suspect cheating). But Future Hiro sort of blew that away. It makes some sense but time travel is a nasty beast to write for even the best of 'em, and hopefully Loeb & Co. have a handle on it.

Looks like Nathan may end up flying sooner than Clark did on SMALLVILLE. Cool.

At the pilot, I liked the show but wasn't ravenous for it. But the show seems to improve by the episode, which is a healthy sign of progression. Consider me hooked.

[SouLeSS]

All I know, is they have to be really careful how they do the whole 'time travel' thing. Theres way to many set laws and such of do's and dont's.

[Wolfwood]

Some of you people are really, really, really, really, really, really easily impressed.

The only good part about this episode was Hiro getting hit in the face. I like Hiro, but that was comedy. And there as nothing "OMG!! Awesome!" about future Hiro. "You look different without your scar." What? Seriously? That's some pretty bad writing. "Peter has a scar in the future!!! Holy Sheyat, the future must be wicked scary." Who the hell is stupid enough to say that to someone's panicking past self when you're trying to keep them calm. The only thing you're going to do is make the fact that time has stopped even more horrifying.

Nikki's 'Hulk', felt about as threatening as acne. I didn't like Nikki/Ali to begin with, but this pathetic attempted at being 'bad-ass' makes me hate her more. Her "You're different" interaction with her son was something else we could have done without. Terrible.

Claire killed the rapist, finally something to like about her. We need someone who doesn't have a problem with killing people. Claire>Nikki/Hulk

Nathan, yawn. Shuresh, yawn. Peter's love triangle with FuturePaint, boring. She's not even that attractive. It's really hard to like anyone in this show apart from Hiro.

People have compared it to Lost, it's far, very far, very very very far from being anywhere near as good as Lost. And someone said it puts Smallville to shame, then Smallville must be one of the badly written, boring shows ever made and I'm glad I never view it as anything more than Superman trying to be Spider-Man.

I forgot about Hiro getting punched in the face, I liked the way the guy did it too, he just walked up to him and gave him a quick jab in the face.

I agree, for me it's hard to really care for the characters. It really just comes down to Hiro, Claire and the cop for me, which he barely got a minute of screentime in the last episode. :-/ Everyone else has moments of interest that fill up the time between the three characters I like. It's still early in the season though, a lot can happen between now and the end. I'm kind of warming up to Nikki now.

I think if I were time traveling I would introduce myself the same way to people. "Whoa, Bill, you look different with two arms." Great way to break the ice. :up:

[Gold Samurai]

They should really change the name to Hiro and kick everyone else out.


just a few more popularity points and "Heroes" execs might consider a spin-off

" he was a geeky japanese man who discovered he can travel through time. Now his adventures continue in.....

"Hiro: the time traveling Ninja" coming this fall :D


shot of ninja hiro defeating a villain with his katana

Hiro *coldly* "Yata..."

[Chris Wallace]

I enjoyed it. But I missed the last couple of weeks so I spent the entier episode catching up.

[blksuperman2]

Cool Episode. I really liked future Hiro too. Wonder how he survived the Sylar onslaught.

[amazingfantasy15]

One thing that just occured to me about the "save the cheerleader...save the world" comment is that she really is the only one that hasn't "met" a fellow hero yet, so they need to find her before Sylar or her dad get to her.

[The Squirrel]

Has anyone visited www.9thwonders.com? It's a really cool fan site.

[Enzyme]

Man, want some cheese with all that whine?
Hilariously original.

Thing is, like you I have an opinion. Also like you, I read other people's then express mine. Which I will continue to do, because I'm going to watch this show just for Hiro and hope it improves.

The fact that Dread likes it means it might have glimmer of hope.

I think if I were time traveling I would introduce myself the same way to people. "Whoa, Bill, you look different with two arms." Great way to break the ice. :up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/Vegenom/Smilies/lol.gif

[Majmun]

I could be wrong but I still haven't seen anyone mention the tattoo on the back of Nikki's neck. It's the same symbol as the black dude has on his necklace.

[PLAS]

the only downside I see to Future Hiro is that much of is inocence looks like it has been lost at the point he is there, and that's exactly what I find the best about him, his innocence

[PLAS]

Has anyone visited www.9thwonders.com? It's a really cool fan site.
I'm registered there

[Gold Samurai]

the only downside I see to Future Hiro is that much of is inocence looks like it has been lost at the point he is there, and that's exactly what I find the best about him, his innocence


i just see "future hiro" as one possible alternate version of what he might become in the future. Who's the say the show will really go down this path in 5 years? (if it does last that long)

[Abaddon]

Great ep.:up:

[amazingfantasy15]

the only downside I see to Future Hiro is that much of is inocence looks like it has been lost at the point he is there, and that's exactly what I find the best about him, his innocence

Hiro is that's embracing his destiny most. He's already been at a possible nuclear attack, he's bound to lose his innocence. The excitment he shows is great, but it's bound to change the more he sees and experiences.

[Abaddon]

I'm hoping there's more to ShadowNikki than a bad attitude and ass-kicking ability. As it is her power is basically to suffer from dissociative identity disorder.:huh:

[Fanticon]

I like that the opening credit titles, they're getting creative...and while on the topic of the Claire autopsy scene...as gruesome as it was, it was pretty lame...since when do coroners start cutting people open before an identity is revealed...or waiting less than 24hrs to perform an autopsy before releasing the situation to the public?...and on top of that...don't want to sound like a picky perv...but when clair pulled her skin back on...um...from everything we know about the female anatonmy, she's supposed to have breasts...ofcourse NBC can't show that...thats not what I'm saying...I'm saying that if they're doing something that graphic...don't try to make it revealing...it looked so fake...which made it so wack...so it was a little over the top imo.

[PLAS]

Hiro is that's embracing his destiny most. He's already been at a possible nuclear attack, he's bound to lose his innocence. The excitment he shows is great, but it's bound to change the more he sees and experiences.
I know that, and that's something I'd really love to see, but damn it, noob Hiro is such a lovable character

[PLAS]

I like that the opening credit titles, they're getting creative...and while on the topic of the Claire autopsy scene...as gruesome as it was, it was pretty lame...since when do coroners start cutting people open before an identity is revealed...or waiting less than 24hrs to perform an autopsy before releasing the situation to the public?...and on top of that...don't want to sound like a picky perv...but when clair pulled her skin back on...um...from everything we know about the female anatonmy, she's supposed to have breasts...ofcourse NBC can't show that...thats not what I'm saying...I'm saying that if they're doing something that graphic...don't try to make it revealing...it looked so fake...which made it so wack...so it was a little over the top imo.
I noticed that one too, but well, what can you do? it's network television

[Fanticon]

^^^^
and again...why was an autopsy authorized? Its like me dropping dead on the side of the road...and being cut open an 1hr after my death...even without ID on a person...unless you have permission to perform an autopsy by the family...or the body is completely unidentifiable...they don't just start cutting you open like that:rolleyes:

[ken smith]

can someone please try to explain to me what hiro of the future was telling peter petrelli in the rain

[blksuperman2]

The whole ep I was thinking that the cheerleader has become the Highlander. I bet the only way to kill her is to cut off her head.

[imdaly]

So here's a crazy thought....

Future Hiro = Sylar

[Morg]

I noticed that one too, but well, what can you do? it's network television


and you should know Claire(ie Hayden) is only 16/17 in real life. Don't think the network wants to be hig with child porn charges :p

[amazingfantasy15]

can someone please try to explain to me what hiro of the future was telling peter petrelli in the rain

I'm assuming you mean the train. Hiro introduced himself, told Peter he'll have a scar in the future and was about to tell him about a threat, we'll find out the rest of the conversation next week.

[Magma_15]

this show is awesome point blank. This is the only action show that i make sure i watch since Buffy. Its going to be really good in the future. I can't wait for next year. I like Nikki jus cuz shes a mom and she's trying to take care of her son and protect him. I just want to know where her alter ego came from, maybe built up anger. The cheerleader is a good character one of the normal ones besides Nathan's brother. Next week's episode looks completely and totally freaking awesome. But i bet everything they showed happens in the last 15-20 mins of the show lol

[fangrl06]

One thing I don't get is why they have to "protect the cheerleader, save the world." She cant be hurt, unless I guess if someone stabbed her and left the knife in.

[Tanin]

And if Syler gets that ability from her.....that would be bad.

[Aetherus]

One thing I don't get is why they have to "protect the cheerleader, save the world." She cant be hurt, unless I guess if someone stabbed her and left the knife in.

I believe that "Protect the cheerleader, save the world" means more than it's saying. Physically, she can take care of herself. With what we've seen of Claire so far, my guess is that the heroes need to protect her from going over to the "dark side" and becoming evil.

[The Question]

And if Syler gets that ability from her.....that would be bad.

IF his power is that he steals other people's powers, that is.

[Fanticon]

and you should know Claire(ie Hayden) is only 16/17 in real life. Don't think the network wants to be hig with child porn charges :p

yeah well...my point was that the sfx make-up was really lame...and not that I wanted to see anything...so its a bogus call on the makers of the show to even attempt an open chest cavity autopsy moment, especially looking as fake as it did...just to show us on a larger scale how powerful she is...lying on the table (covered, mind you) and pulling the sharp stick out of her neck would have been more than enough to explain that a wound or injury that borders decapitation or some kind of damage or obstruction of proper blood flow to the brain is dangerous even to her. But you can't argue that it was scientifically innaccurate...as well as legally.

[Mixairian]

Yeah. I'm so not reading all this now. I did get to finally watch the episode though.

Some notes:

The bum that brushes into Suresh at the beginning was mumbling something that sounded important. I just can't remember what it was.

Future Hiro, as everyone else has been agreeing is bad ass.

Claire has become interesting.

Isaac shows more promise.

Peter looks different without his bad ass scar. :)

Matt, still sucks to be him.

Nikki's kid showing more potential.

Though the show still has a very big potential to end up like Carnivale for me.

Other notes. Nikki multiple personalities revealed. My thoughts are there is a strong possibility she doesn't have any powers.

Man I'm tired.

[AnimeJune]

IF his power is that he steals other people's powers, that is.Yeah - that seems to be Peter's gig. Someone suggested Sylar has a grabbag of other people's powers because he's Subject Zero. Makes sense to me.

And Chris Wallace - what happened with Iron Man that made you change your sig from 'Tony Stark is a douche' to 'Tony Stark is the ultimate douche'?

[Ghostvirus]

I think in Nikki's case. It is Sylar that is taking over her body. I believe that the kid is her's & Sylar's kid. Just a theory.

[AnimeJune]

I think in Nikki's case. It is Sylar that is taking over he body. I believe that the kid is her's & Sylar's. Just a theory.Where does that idea come from? Seriously?

Nikki's kid is hers and that black dude from Buffy's - the guy who can phase out of his prison cell, who we haven't met yet.

[SouLeSS]

I was kinda hoping that Nikkis husband was the black dude that was in the bar and in the lab that was ****ing with Matt. That would be kind of a good twist, instead of the one that they're planning on doing now

[Triadkd]

I think claires dad and the bald black guy are like SHIELD there good people overall but use questionable methods to get the job done. And sylar is an entirley seperate entity from them imo. There may also be third villian because it seems like whoever was chasing claire could manipulate there size or image in some way. As for the cop im sure they just erased his memory and sent him on his way.

[AnimeJune]

I think claires dad and the bald black guy are like SHIELD there good people overall but use questionable methods to get the job done. And sylar is an entirley seperate entity from them imo. There may also be third villian because it seems like whoever was chasing claire could manipulate there size or image in some way. As for the cop im sure they just erased his memory and sent him on his way.I find myself agreeing, and not just because you get extra cool points for referencing The Shield (awesome show). I'm pretty interested to see where those two guys who with this.

[Motown Marvel]

by the way....who's to say the "cheerleader" they speak of is claire? perhaphs theres gonna be something going on with one of the other cheerleader chicks....like that one that took credit for saving that dude from the fire.

[StorminNorman]

by the way....who's to say the "cheerleader" they speak of is claire? perhaphs theres gonna be something going on with one of the other cheerleader chicks....like that one that took credit for saving that dude from the fire.

If there is more than one Cheerleader with powers than I will be upset - that would be getting too much IMO. Also, if you put Hiro's message with Issac's Paintings you got Claire = Cheerleader.

[AnimeJune]

StorminNorman! Your AVATAR! :wow:

[StorminNorman]

StorminNorman! Your AVATAR! :wow:

I was lookin for one all day.

I :heart: Future Hiro. :o

[imdaly]

I find myself agreeing, and not just because you get extra cool points for referencing The Shield (awesome show). I'm pretty interested to see where those two guys who with this.

lol. I think he's referring to S.H.I.E.L.D. of the Marvel Comics variety ;)



...could be mistaken though...

[3 Dev Adam]

Just changed my mind about Hiro. Now I like him.

[LL2K2]

I noticed a RAIN MAN homage...nice.

That was so funny! I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw that scene! :D

[Motown Marvel]

If there is more than one Cheerleader with powers than I will be upset - that would be getting too much IMO. Also, if you put Hiro's message with Issac's Paintings you got Claire = Cheerleader.
well, the cheerleader they have to save doesnt necessarily have to have powers....either way, this show seems to have lots of surprises....im just trying to think outside the box, and throw it out there. (by the way, im sure the cheerleader in question is in fact claire, just saying....)

[spider-neil]

you can always tell the quality of a tv show by your reaction to the end and my reaction to the end of heroes is AWWW MANNN!!!!

best show on tv.

loved the spidey reference but answer me one thing

peter parker taking pictures of himself fighting crime (i.e. using his powers)and selling the photos = not cheating

hiro stopping time (i.e. using his powers) getting up and changing one guys set of cards for another guys set of cards = not cheating

o-kay...

[Donnie Darko]

yeah, I was expecting him to look at other people's cards and then tell his friend whether he should play the hand or fold

[-Æ-]

yeah, I was expecting him to look at other people's cards and then tell his friend whether he should play the hand or fold


Actually that would get them caught by the security cameras. By switching the cards he was able to stop everything from actually seeing him switch the cards.

Although its strange though his time stop has to have some hole into it. Is he freezing all time, like is the whole world stopping? Or is he creating a vortex time collapse around him to be able to do what he needs to do long enough.

Similar case is in X-2 when professor X froze everyone to get his students out of the situation that was caused by pyro. Even with everyone froze the t.v. was still going on behind them.

It does seem though that his powers definetly develop though because at the end when he freezes the subway to confront peter it was almost like someone turned the light off just.

whew the show gots me hyped again, IM BACK ON THE BOARDS! *lol*

[Donnie Darko]

maybe Hiro should have been the one to play poker, then he could freeze time, get up and look at the other player's cards, then decide whether to raise, fold, etc

[PLAS]

Yeah. I'm so not reading all this now. I did get to finally watch the episode though.

Some notes:

The bum that brushes into Suresh at the beginning was mumbling something that sounded important. I just can't remember what it was.

Other notes. Nikki multiple personalities revealed. My thoughts are there is a strong possibility she doesn't have any powers.

Man I'm tired.

the bum said "they're everywhere!" or "all around us"... or something like that

did you notice Nikki's tat?

[AnimeJune]

lol. I think he's referring to S.H.I.E.L.D. of the Marvel Comics variety ;)



...could be mistaken though...Amusingly enough, what he said of The Shield (good people using questionable means) still applies to The Shield perfectly. So I could still be right. Watch it, it's a flat-out fantastic show about police officers using corrupt means to lower crime rates.

I could definitely see Mr Bennet thinking he's doing it all for the greater good.

[PLAS]

Amusingly enough, what he said of The Shield (good people using questionable means) still applies to The Shield perfectly. So I could still be right. Watch it, it's a flat-out fantastic show about police officers using corrupt means to lower crime rates.

I could definitely see Mr Bennet thinking he's doing it all for the greater good.
I've also thought about that, and maybe he is, which would make it all even better

[Triadkd]

Yes The Shield is an great show, but I was talking about S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Mixairian]

the bum said "they're everywhere!" or "all around us"... or something like that

did you notice Nikki's tat?


That was it! And yes I did. I read the interview article with the creator. The symbol means something yet to be revealed. I'm not even bothering to speculate on it at this point.

[ragdus]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252716

[Dr. Mid-Nite]

Does anyone have a pic of future Hiro please?

[Lone Wolf]

Does anyone have a pic of future Hiro please?
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4130/hiro8tl1.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

[Mister J]

Only one I've seen.

http://i11.tinypic.com/43wcw3k.jpg

[fangrl06]

He looks so ****ing dumb....what's up with the long hair?

[SouLeSS]

I don't like the ponytale he has going. If they cut that off, and left it with just what it looks like in those pics, he'de be awesome.

[Substance D]

I don't like the ponytale he has going. If they cut that off, and left it with just what it looks like in those pics, he'de be awesome.

Nah, I doubt you look any better in real life. Leave the fashion advice to the trained professionals, please.

[Anti-Moderator]

Great advice there Richard.

[AnimeJune]

He looks so ****ing dumb....what's up with the long hair?You shut your mouth!

TIME TRAVELING SAMURAI!

[Spyda-Man]

Actually that would get them caught by the security cameras. By switching the cards he was able to stop everything from actually seeing him switch the cards.

Although its strange though his time stop has to have some hole into it. Is he freezing all time, like is the whole world stopping? Or is he creating a vortex time collapse around him to be able to do what he needs to do long enough.

Similar case is in X-2 when professor X froze everyone to get his students out of the situation that was caused by pyro. Even with everyone froze the t.v. was still going on behind them.

It does seem though that his powers definetly develop though because at the end when he freezes the subway to confront peter it was almost like someone turned the light off just.

whew the show gots me hyped again, IM BACK ON THE BOARDS! *lol*


ARRGG!!!
professor X didnt stop time. he stopped the peoples minds.. X doesnt even have time stopping powers! yeesh...
(sorry, i have to explain that all the time. i get emotional)

as for Hiro's time stoppage, even if he did look at the other cards, the camera wouldnt catch him, time was stopped. cameras cant record in stopped time.

also, i'm pretty sure the whole world stops, it wouldnt make sense for it to be localized.. that would screw up the time stream.

[Hitan]

Claire doesn't kill the kid in the car. If you read the comic on NBC.com you'll see she never intended to kill him, only to "punish" him. However, I think this could have been revealed in the next show. Oh well.

[3 Dev Adam]

I don't like the ponytale he has going. If they cut that off, and left it with just what it looks like in those pics, he'de be awesome.

All bonafide japanese samurais had those. Only thing I noticed is that, judging by the position of the sword, Hiro must be a leftie.

[Marc]

Haven't read the thread really since well its too big so probably repeating. Really getting into the show, Hiro is the show for me and ninja-hiro... well all he need's is to get an eyepatch and say "Yaaarrrr!" every so often and he officially becomes the coolest thing ever. :D

When Peter is next to him I was thinking, why doesn't Pete just 'take' his power and unfreeze time. You better believe Mohinder would buy into the powers thing then. I liked the fact they realised the light is provided by a frequency and so stopping time stopped the lights. Nice touch.

On the otherhand of Hiro. Nathan is completely worthless, I assume he is there to kill off as the season ender or something 'cos otherwise he is useless. Nothing redeeming about him, nothing likeable, nothing of interest. Nikki is pretty much the same, ironic they 'come together'. I like Peter, he's a nice guy, nieve and goes with his heart a lot. Down to earth, in fact he is kinda like Peter Parker; so they got the right name for him. Its going to be insane to see them together as a group and Peter in the middle of them, an invulnerable, teleporting, mind reading, psychopathic, flying, time traveling future teller. Look out world... ooohhhhh wait. Time traveling... psychopath.... Sylar? What happens if Peter mimics Nikki's power, he must go psycho killer too surely. Maybe as above his brother is killed for being useless and it sets him off to the path to evil. Anyway the rest bar maybe the cop are kinda meh. Good writing otherwise and assume this is a case of too many cooks holding back most of the characters. Its early days anyway, few shows are this good so early into a season, it usually takes the first season to find their feet.

[AnimeJune]

I think Nathan has potential - because he's such a bastard. Because he leaves us wondering what he's going to do next.

[Spyda-Man]

i think Natha rocks, from the beginning i liked the Petrelli brothers.
seeing Nate take off like that in the preview was awesome.. every team needs it *******, and Nate is it. hes the badass with a heart of gold... ok, maybe silver. but still, he has major potential... plus he flies man!!

[Upset Spideyfan]

Nathan will come through. He's just not as morally upright as some of the other characters and I think that makes him more interesting. There is a hero in there, its just under a lot of baggage.

[RockSP]

A lot of you guys seem to be real impatient. Wanting everyone to be so heroic already? The show just started! Let the plot unfold...mmmmmmmmkay?

My main problem is the stereotypes. Comic relief asian...druggie latino...criminal black guy (who hasn't shown up yet...must be on cp time *ba dum ching*). It's almost like the writer's went out of their way to BE stereotypical...

[3 Dev Adam]

A lot of you guys seem to be real impatient. Wanting everyone to be so heroic already? The show just started! Let the plot unfold...mmmmmmmmkay?

Mmmmm... no. It's the fourth episode already. Time to be done with the exposition and start throwing lasers and tanks at each other.