Universal and Fox pull out of HALO Movie

[Fran]

Both Universal and Fox Studios have pulled out of the Halo movie adaptation, citing rising movie costs and concern over the inexperience of first time director Neil Blomkamp. As the budget was rumored to be edging closer to $200 million, and Microsoft getting a lion's share of the profits, the studio execs decided it was time to pull the plug.

It's hard to argue with the logic on this one, based on the director alone. While Peter Jackson is executive producing, Neil Blomkamp doesn't have one feature film to his name, having only been a 3D animator on TV shows like Smallville and Stargate, and directed a Halo-ish short film entitled Alive in Joburg (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1185812222812358837). If Jackson himself took the reins, it would probably be a no brainer, but you can easily understand Universal and Fox not wanting to roll a pair of $200 million dollar dice on someone their first time out of the gate.

Microsoft hasn't made things much easier, demanding an upfront fee of five million for the rights and 10% of the profits -- especially when movies based on video games have never been huge performers at the box office. This isn't to say the movie still couldn't get made. Jackson is still attached and pre-production continues on the film, although without a studio home it now faces a serious uphill battle.

According (http://www.variety.com/VR1117952317.html) to Jackson's agent at International Creative Management, Ken Kamins, "What happened was this: Universal, on behalf of both studios, asked for a meeting with the filmmakers just prior to the due date of a significant payment. Basically, they said that in order to move forward with the film, the filmmakers had to significantly reduce their deals. They waited until the last minute to have this conversation. Peter and Fran, after speaking with their producing partners and with Microsoft and Bungee (the studio that designed the original game), respectfully declined."

Come on Variety, you can't even spell Bungie right?

What do you think? Should Master Chief drive his warthog out of Hollywood, or come back with both barrels blasting?

No doubt another studio will pick this up.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/20/game-over-for-halo-movie/

[WeeZiTe]

:( I was looking forward to this. :(

[boywonder13]

and so the development hell continues......


:(

[WhatsHisFace]

Just a bump in the road. Maybe they'll team up with Legendary and Warner Bros. :D

[Horrorfan]

That was quite greedy by microsoft to ask for five mill and 10 percent profits, since it probably makes more than both Universal and Fox combined....so I can understand why they pulled out. I think they may have to go for a fairer, and cheaper, deal if they really, really want this movie to happen.

And I also think Del Toro should be the director, but only after Hellboy vs Universal Monsters and At the Mountains of Madness.

[WhatsHisFace]

I agree. Microsoft has a LOT more money than they can even use, they could have payed for the entire film without putting anything close to a dent in their bank.

They didn't need the 10% or the 5 million.

But still, Fox and Universal shouldn't have tried cutting everyone's pay either.

[Horrorfan]

Yeah they should have said it in the beginning, not when the film is prepping for production.

I don't think many other studios will take this, since if two of the biggest studios around find it financially risky, I don't see why other smaller studios would take the deal.

MS should put together a new package and try again with Universal and Fox. They have to realise that it's kinda an excessive fee they are asking for. Maybe not for the rights, but ten percent of the final gross in addition to that is pretty extortionate.

[terry78]

Lionsgate. They used to be indie, now they're moving up into their own. But only if most of the backing was done by Wingnut and Microsoft.

[Horrorfan]

Lionsgate. They used to be indie, now they're moving up into their own. But only if most of the backing was done by Wingnut and Microsoft.

Lionsgate wouldn't have the financial backing. They are barely above indy now, nevermind the kind of budget it would take for a $200 million price for one movie. If Universal AND Fox couldn't do it, and Lionsgate aren't even in the same league...I just don't see it happening to be honest.

[Boom]

Haha. And so Halo falls back into production hell.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Just because a director doesn't have much experience doesn't mean he's not good. Universal and Fox are retarded, you don't need big name directors for something to turn out nice.

[boywonder13]

the fact that it's Halo

makes it a sure hit

[Boom]

Microsoft's demands are ridiculous. I honestly hope to see them cave in in order to get another studio to back this film.

[WhatsHisFace]

Microsoft should just fund the damn film themselves.

[terry78]

Microsoft Studios. Hell, they already fund that damn pinata cartoon based on their game, they may as well do this too.

[WhatsHisFace]

I agree. Microsoft has the money to fund Halo and about 30 other Halo movies RIGHT NOW.

They could start their own production company easily, if they want another entertainment branch.

[Fran]

Yeah, I agree. MS can do it, definitely.

[WhatsHisFace]

After that they can get to work what I'd really like to see as a movie:

Perfect Dark :mad: (not the ****ty one, the N64 one)

Then maybe Crimson Skies...

Then maybe "Microsoft Word: The Movie".

[Zenien]

They should pitch it to Sony Pictures. :o

[ProjectPat2280]

I dont think there needs to be a Halo movie at all. I just dont see it working, but who knows, it could be great.

[WhatsHisFace]

They should pitch it to Sony Pictures. :o
Wahahaha. That would be the wierdest thing ever.:woot:

[Fran]

Columbia would give them a $1 million budget.

[terry78]

Most studios should be jumping at the chance, but a video game movie has never had a huge budget. And Uwe Boll's masterpieces haven't helped matters. :o

[블라스]

Don't say anything mean about Uwee Boll or he'll kick your ass in the ring :(

[WhatsHisFace]

My money's on Warner Bros for some reason.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Don't say anything mean about Uwee Boll or he'll kick your ass in the ring :(


He actually didn't want to fight Seanbaby from EGM because Seanbaby knows Muay Thai and Judo. :o

[Fran]

My money's on Warner Bros for some reason.

Yeah, I'm thinkin WB, too. Along with Legendary on board.

[TheArtofShadow]

Don't say anything mean about Uwee Boll or he'll kick your ass in the ring :(

Unless your "Seanbaby" from EGM. Then all of a sudden he can't make it.:whatever:

[TheArtofShadow]

He actually didn't want to fight Seanbaby from EGM because Seanbaby knows Muay Thai and Judo. :oStole you're quote, sorry. I didn't even bother to check the second page. I had to jump on it.

[WhatsHisFace]

Muay Thai is awesome. No wonder he wimped out of that one.

[hippie_hunter]

Then maybe "Microsoft Word: The Movie".

I would pay to see that one :up:

[hippie_hunter]

My money's on Warner Bros for some reason.

I don't think so, they got enough franchises on their hands and they are trying to build more. They got Harry Potter, Batman, Superman, Oceans, Looney Toons, other films that are not franchises. Also they are trying to build up their DC comics franchises with Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and various Vertigo books.

[Fran]

I don't think so, they got enough franchises on their hands and they are trying to build more. They got Harry Potter, Batman, Superman, Oceans, Looney Toons, other films that are not franchises. Also they are trying to build up their DC comics franchises with Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and various Vertigo books.

HP is getting close to being done, halfway done I think :huh:

Batman is taking off. Ocean's Thirteen is the last one.

Are they really doing another Looney Tunes movie?

[hippie_hunter]

HP is getting close to being done, halfway done I think :huh:
At like 2008/2009.

Batman is taking off. Ocean's Thirteen is the last one.
So is Superman, but Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman, the other DC franchises that Warner Bros are looking into, have not yet.

As for Ocean's Thirteen, just wait and see. If it's successful, then they'll try to make Ocean's Fourteen

Are they really doing another Looney Tunes movie?
Not yet but it's still an active Warner Bros. property.

[WhatsHisFace]

I don't think so, they got enough franchises on their hands and they are trying to build more. They got Harry Potter, Batman, Superman, Oceans, Looney Toons, other films that are not franchises. Also they are trying to build up their DC comics franchises with Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and various Vertigo books.
That's probably why I thought that. Because they have so many IPs being films.

[Boom]

Looks like Microsoft will finance the movie after all.

http://entertainment.andnetwork.com/index;jsessionid=685309DCBFEB3259897324F5F42BE672? service=direct/1/Home/older.titleStory&sp=l54086

[WhatsHisFace]

Looks like Microsoft will finance the movie after all.

http://entertainment.andnetwork.com/index;jsessionid=685309DCBFEB3259897324F5F42BE672? service=direct/1/Home/older.titleStory&sp=l54086
Fox and Universal also had been in a power struggle over the movie's control, the Times said. The studios refused to comment.
After seeing how X-men 3 turned out, I would have wanted Universal to win that fight. :(

Oh well, don't have to worry about it now.

[terry78]

Looks like someone read our comments. :o

[WhatsHisFace]

Looks like someone read our comments. :o
Interesting, hmmm?

Okay, which one of you is Bill Gates? Gamera? It's time to fess up. :mad:

[hippie_hunter]

Interesting, hmmm?

Okay, which one of you is Bill Gates? Gamera? It's time to fess up. :mad:

I wish I was Bill Gates :csad:

[Fran]

I agree, WHF, I would have preferred Universal.

MS will give it the budget it needs, maybe more.

[Boom]

I wish I was Bill Gates, only more good looking and less of a loser.

[hippie_hunter]

I wish I was Bill Gates, only more good looking and less of a loser.

If you're rich it doesn't matter. Hot women will swarm to you anyways. Look at Hugh Hefner. He's old. A fossil. A man who needs to be put down by now. And look at all the women he gets.

Unless you look like Brian Peppers. They will come to you.

[WhatsHisFace]

Bill Gates just needs a J. Allard extreme makeover.

And maybe he should smoke for a few weeks to lower his voice a notch. :o

[Horrorfan]

After seeing how X-men 3 turned out, I would have wanted Universal to win that fight. :(

.

Don't go there. You're gonna make me bring up how, in a latest issue of a 360 mag, a preview of the superman game mentions that the movie is ''already a faded memory'', and I dont wanna have to hurt ya unless it means i would have to physically fight you for jessica biel :(

[Fran]

She's mine :mad:

[Horrorfan]

:cmad: No way in hell :cmad:

[블라스]

*Fesses up* :mad:

Perhaps I could take Uwee Boll....hmm...:cmad:

[Fran]

:cmad: No way in hell :cmad:

Oh yes, WAY.

[WhatsHisFace]

You know Horrorfan, you can hate Superman Returns all you want, but that still doesn't change the fact that X-men 3 sucked assh*le.

[Fran]

Owned.

[terry78]

Bill Gates should run for president. I'm just curious to see how far he would get. MS already owns the world, this would just be a formality.

[Fran]

Bill Gates should run for president. I'm just curious to see how far he would get. MS already owns the world, this would just be a formality.

This reminds me of some Robin Williams stand-up.

"Mr. Gates, when did you realize that you were creating a monopoly?"
"Monopoly's just a game, Senator. I'm trying to control the ****ing world!"

[WhatsHisFace]

If Bill Gates were actually to be the anti-Christ, I hope he'd at least go easy on me for being an Xbot. :(

[Hudson]

You know Horrorfan, you can hate Superman Returns all you want, but that still doesn't change the fact that X-men 3 sucked assh*le.
That it did.... that it did:csad:

[Horrorfan]

You know Horrorfan, you can hate Superman Returns all you want, but that still doesn't change the fact that X-men 3 sucked assh*le.


Superman Returns should be a training video for the military...it shows you how to tank and bomb at the same time :o

[WhatsHisFace]

X-men 3 should be a porn training movie, because it shows you how to suck p*nis, @$$ and s**t, and shows you how to blow @$$, p*nis and s**t, as well as showing how to have your @$$ recieve p*nis and s**t, and then it shows how to make a franchise "go down".

[Hudson]

http://boards1.wizards.com/images/smilies/rimshot.gif

[Horrorfan]

X-men 3 should be a porn training movie, because it shows you how to suck p*nis, @$$ and s**t, and shows you how to blow @$$, p*nis and s**t, as well as showing how to have your @$$ recieve p*nis and s**t, and then it shows how to make a franchise "go down".

And yet it STILL whipped the crap out of SR at the box office :D


X Men's Box Office = Up, up and away

Superman's Box office= Bryan Singer am sad :(

[WhatsHisFace]

And yet it STILL whipped the crap out of SR at the box office :D


X Men's Box Office = Up, up and away

Superman's Box office= Bryan Singer am sad :(
...and X-men 3 still sucked ass.

[Horrorfan]

...and X-men 3 still sucked ass.


And superman was box office kryptonite.

[WhatsHisFace]

And I would rather have Halo be a good movie that slightly underperforms (Superman), than a ****ty movie that does well (X-men).

[Fenrir]

X3 was crap. Pure and simple.

[Horrorfan]

If you thought X3 was crap, you don't like movies. Pure and simple.


There's an einstein quote that says after world war 3, future world war will be fought with sticks and stones...my modification is that after the atomic superman returns bomb, any future superman movie will be made with action figures and stop motion, ala robot chicken.

[Horrorfan]

And I would rather have Halo be a good movie that slightly underperforms (Superman), .

LOL slightly underperform...

yeah, and POTC: DMC was a LITTLE bit sucessful :woot:

[hippie_hunter]

And I would rather have Halo be a good movie that slightly underperforms (Superman), than a ****ty movie that does well (X-men).

Quoted for truth

[hippie_hunter]

Superman Returns should be a training video for the military...it shows you how to tank and bomb at the same time :o

1. Superman Returns did not tank and bomb. It made about $200 million in the domestic box office and $190 million in the worldwide box office. A $390 million box office total is not a bomb. It's the 7th highest grossing movie worldwide and the 5th highest grossing movie domestically. Again not bombastic material.

2. Superman Returns had to deal with Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest the next week.

3. The profits from the DVD sales, rentals, and television rights haven't taken into effect.

4. Superman Returns' budget is way overstated. Many analysis of the budget include attempted starts with Superman V, Superman: The New Movie, Superman Reborn, Superman Lives, Batman vs. Superman, and Superman I.

[Horrorfan]

Quoted for truth

LOL and yet you like ****ty metal gear solid. Irony doesn't quite describe it.

[Horrorfan]

1. Superman Returns did not tank and bomb. It made about $200 million in the domestic box office and $190 million in the worldwide box office. A $390 million box office total is not a bomb. It's the 7th highest grossing movie worldwide and the 5th highest grossing movie domestically. Again not bombastic material.

2. Superman Returns had to deal with Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest the next week.

3. The profits from the DVD sales, rentals, and television rights haven't taken into effect.

4. Superman Returns' budget is way overstated. Many analysis of the budget include attempted starts with Superman V, Superman: The New Movie, Superman Reborn, Superman Lives, Batman vs. Superman, and Superman I.

You know a movie bombs when the director talks desperatly about a possible sequel, which is met with stony silence by the studio who lost money on the first movie.

Of course the superman budget reports come with those movies. It's because it IS that movie, dude. Nic Cage and Tim Burton signed on, and had pay or play deals, as did McG. That's about 30 million at least wasted.
It's the same project, different name.

You know it bombed. You know it. You're so desperate for it not to be a bomb, you are falling back on the old ''dvd will make it profitable''. sure it will. But it does that with all movies. A movies true sucess is measured in theatrical release, and supes dropped the ball.


The amount of money pumped into the film, by various restarts, pay or play deals, and the huge amount of marketing (which bryan singer tried to blame on the movie bombing) wouldn't make a sequel a worth while investment...or to do so, it would have to take a HUGE budget cut, which is quite embarassing for any studio.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

It's budget was close to 300 million, and BARELY made it back, worldwide gross included.

Production budget:Production Budget: $270 million

worldwide: $389,833,005









That is not a good number. Had it been domestic, sure, it would have been great. But worldwide, for a film so expensive, is a flop.

[WhatsHisFace]

X3 was crap. Pure and simple.
Quoted for mother chuffing truth.

[WhatsHisFace]

You know a movie bombs when the director talks desperatly about a possible sequel, which is met with stony silence by the studio who lost money on the first movie.

Of course the superman budget reports come with those movies. It's because it IS that movie, dude. Nic Cage and Tim Burton signed on, and had pay or play deals, as did McG. That's about 30 million at least wasted.
It's the same project, different name.

You know it bombed. You know it. You're so desperate for it not to be a bomb, you are falling back on the old ''dvd will make it profitable''. sure it will. But it does that with all movies. A movies true sucess is measured in theatrical release, and supes dropped the ball.


The amount of money pumped into the film, by various restarts, pay or play deals, and the huge amount of marketing (which bryan singer tried to blame on the movie bombing) wouldn't make a sequel a worth while investment...or to do so, it would have to take a HUGE budget cut, which is quite embarassing for any studio.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

It's budget was close to 300 million, and BARELY made it back, worldwide gross included.

Production budget:Production Budget: $270 million

worldwide: $389,833,005









That is not a good number. Had it been domestic, sure, it would have been great. But worldwide, for a film so expensive, is a flop.
You talk alot, but the facts speak for themselves. Superman Returns did not tank, it did not bomb. Over 100 million in profit isn't bad.

"Lady in the Water" bombed. "Hulk" bombed. Superman Returns made money and was a good movie. It was a success.

[GoldenAgeHero]

You talk alot, but the facts speak for themselves. Superman Returns did not tank, it did not bomb. Over 100 million in profit isn't bad.

"Lady in the Water" bombed. "Hulk" bombed. Superman Returns made money and was a good movie. It was a success.

hope you know that the movie needs to make about 450 million for the studio to break even. considering it has'nt even made that much its a dud. so they really have'nt seen any profit.

[WhatsHisFace]

hope you know that the movie needs to make about 450 million for the studio to break even. considering it has'nt even made that much its a dud. so they really have'nt seen any profit.
Nice math skills.

Worldwide Gross: $389,833,005 - Production Budget: $270 million = 119,833,005.

Now note that the end number is a positive number. That's going to be important here.

But before that, I bet you'll say "But WB spent $100,000,000 on marketting!!!" No, they really didn't.

This movie raked it in. Making an additional 60 milllion as you say would have been nice, but it's not needed to keep the number positive.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Nice math skills.

Worldwide Gross: $389,833,005 - Production Budget: $270 million = 119,833,005.

Now note that the end number is a positive number. That's going to be important here.

But before that, I bet you'll say "But WB spent $100,000,000 on marketting!!!" No, they really didn't.

This movie raked it in. Making an additional 60 milllion as you say would have been nice, but it's not needed to keep the number positive.


bwahahahahahaha you must really think theaters play films for free. studios recieve about 45- 55 percent of total gross.

[WhatsHisFace]

Oh yeah, and then we've got the film faries who take an additional 43% of that, with the snugglepoof flopsickles who zip around vaccuming up a 90% of that, with the rest going towards paying X-men 3 for stealing it's director.

I love when people are talking about the film profits of all non-Superman movies, they don't bring up any of this ****, but then Superman comes up and they need to talk about the studio janitor's hourly pay as if I give a **** about it.

Jesus, you guys could make it sound like Titanic went broke if you wanted to, give it a goddamn rest.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Oh yeah, and then we've got the film faries who take an additional 43% of that, with the snugglepoof flopsickles who zip around vaccuming up a 90% of that, with the rest going towards paying X-men 3 for stealing it's director.

I love when people are talking about the film profits of all non-Superman movies, they don't bring up any of this ****, but then Superman comes up and they need to talk about the studio janitor's hourly pay as if I give a **** about it.
Jesus, you guys could make it sound like Titanic went broke if you wanted to, give it a goddamn rest.


Difference between X3 and SR is that X3 broke its budget and made the studio profit, SR has done neither. your the one thats *****ing and moaning. i was just correcting your crazy mad dope math skills ie(actually subtracting the budget from the gross,thus studio made profit)......

[luthor]WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![luthor]

[WhatsHisFace]

Oh, okay then.

[Horrorfan]

Difference between X3 and SR is that X3 broke its budget and made the studio profit, SR has done neither. your the one thats *****ing and moaning. i was just correcting your crazy mad dope math skills ie(actually subtracting the budget from the gross,thus studio made profit)......

[luthor]WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![luthor]


lol whf I love ya buddy, but you got owned :( (and it hurts to say that from a guy who said Bully was racist)...

But I can understand whf hating X3, he is a shameless fanboy of superman who is obviously, tragically devestated and bitter that X3 trounced it and is due for about three or four spin offs which could become franchises in their own right, but anyone else who thinks x3 sucked is talking crap.


And superman returns actually made LESS of a profit than Hulk, in terms of budget and profit relations. You just can't admit it bombed. why do you think the only one who wanted to talk about a sequel was singer? why do you think that talk even has basically died? Please, whf, I love you and all, but you need to face reality when it comes to superman bombing. those numbers are NOT good at all. They are highly mediocre worldwide profits for such a big movie AT BEST.

[블라스]

Casablanca was a box office failure.

[Horrorfan]

Casablanca was a box office failure.


I LOL'ed at the comparison of casablanca and SR :D

[블라스]

That....was not the point :confused:

Just that some amazing and beautiful movies have been horrible box office failures, and some incredibly bad and horrible movies have been box office smash hits.

That's all I'm saying :dry:

[Horrorfan]

That....was not the point :confused:

Just that some amazing and beautiful movies have been horrible box office failures, and some incredibly bad and horrible movies have been box office smash hits.

That's all I'm saying :dry:



I got the point, it was just a really funny comparison :p

[블라스]

Well, there is no touching Casablanca, so yeah :O

[Fenrir]

If you thought X3 was crap, you don't like movies. Pure and simple.

No, I love movies. But X3 was still a pile of horse manure. :)

[Fenrir]

Oh and can anyone else grasp the absurdity of fanboys pretending to be happy because their film made the most profit and box-office numbers despite the fact that the only ones who actually benefited from such an outcome were the suits at the studio? :D

OmFG BoxOFfice-Man made a bilion $$$!1!!!1!

Pity I'll never know what I got out of it if when the film was itself was garbage.

[WhatsHisFace]

Oh and can anyone else grasp the absurdity of fanboys pretending to be happy because their film made the most profit and box-office numbers despite the fact that the only ones who actually benefited from such an outcome were the suits at the studio? :D

OmFG BoxOFfice-Man made a bilion $$$!1!!!1!

Pity I'll never know what I got out of it if when the film was itself was garbage.
Very good point...

[Horrorfan]

No, I love movies. But X3 was still a pile of horse manure. :)


You don't love movies, clearly. Im sorry to be the one to tell you :(


And I honestly thought fans being happy with box office would be obvious, to ANYONE, but I guess not.


good box office = sequels. sequels = further adventures of characters we love.


Simple. Hope this helps explain this strange phenomena :)

[WhatsHisFace]

I would have rather not had a sequel to X-men 2. X-men 3 really just screwed it up.

[Horrorfan]

Thanks to X3's spectacular box office, I will be getting a wolverine spin off in just over a year, and possible movies on magneto and young x men, any of which could be franchises in their own right. I cannot wait, wolverine sounds so bad ass!

[WhatsHisFace]

Wolverine was in the works before Suck-Men 3 ever released. Magneto too.

[Horrorfan]

Wolverine was in the works before Suck-Men 3 ever released. Magneto too.

If X3 bombed, you can't honestly tell me you believe they would have got the green light.

[WhatsHisFace]

If X-3 bombed, it would have been because Brett Ratner made it suck and not because the characters are unwanted.

[Horrorfan]

If X-3 bombed, it would have been because Brett Ratner made it suck and not because the characters are unwanted.


So it didn't bomb because Rattner didn't make it suck? ;)


Yeah, I know you're bitter about Supes bombing and all, but you really think studio excs would have thought about a difference between it bombing cause of a director and characters not being wanted?

Come on man, even you can't believe that....you're just going to silly lengths of hatred and by passing common sense because of it.

[WhatsHisFace]

No, it didn't bomb because X-men 1 and 2 ruled.

If X-men 1 was the quality of X-men 3, it would have bombed.

[WhatsHisFace]

No, it didn't bomb because X-men 1 and 2 ruled.

If X-men 1 was the quality of X-men 3, it would have bombed.

[hippie_hunter]

You know a movie bombs when the director talks desperatly about a possible sequel, which is met with stony silence by the studio who lost money on the first movie.
Alan Horn and Warner Bros have confirmed that a sequel is getting made and is expected for a summer 2009 release.

Of course the superman budget reports come with those movies. It's because it IS that movie, dude. Nic Cage and Tim Burton signed on, and had pay or play deals, as did McG. That's about 30 million at least wasted.
That was over $30 million wasted on nothing. Warner Bros. payed dearly for that.

It's the same project, different name.
No they're all different projects. Very different projects.

You know it bombed. You know it. You're so desperate for it not to be a bomb, you are falling back on the old ''dvd will make it profitable''. sure it will. But it does that with all movies. A movies true sucess is measured in theatrical release, and supes dropped the ball.
A $200 million domestic box office is not a bomb. And DVDs always make movies more profitable (Hulk is a perfect example).


The amount of money pumped into the film, by various restarts, pay or play deals, and the huge amount of marketing (which bryan singer tried to blame on the movie bombing) wouldn't make a sequel a worth while investment...or to do so, it would have to take a HUGE budget cut, which is quite embarassing for any studio.
A sequel is definetly not going to get as much money as Superman Returns. There's no need for it. A lot of the money was used on deleted scenes, developing the Genesis camera, etc. I doubt Warner Bros. is going to let Singer cut out a $10 million scene for the sequel. And things are now in place. The next Superman movie will most likely have a budget of around $175 million - $200 million.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

It's budget was close to 300 million, and BARELY made it back, worldwide gross included.

Production budget:Production Budget: $270 million

worldwide: $389,833,005

Again, the various projects that were dropped cannot be counted against Superman Returns. Superman Returns' actual budget was closer to $220 million - $230 million.

And it had Pirates of the Carribean following it the next week, which took away a significant portion of its potential audience.


That is not a good number. Had it been domestic, sure, it would have been great. But worldwide, for a film so expensive, is a flop.
A movie that has made $390 million is not a flop.

[WhatsHisFace]

According to GAH it is because studios take 70%.

[Horrorfan]

Alan Horn and Warner Bros have confirmed that a sequel is getting made and is expected for a summer 2009 release.



We will see, won't we? They SURE took a lot of time to announce it though, don't you think? And if it does, it will take a HUGE budget cut , ala the Hulk movie (but at least that is being made by marvel independently,f or a huge studio like WB a huge budget cut is very humiliating for a franchise they pinned so much one).

A film that cost $300 million, more or less, making a $100 million profit worldwide is NOT great. How can you not see that??? It's like spending five bucks to make six.

And FYI, Box Office Mojo have the most reliable projections of budgets and marketing, so it's not a figure they pulled out of their ass.

[terry78]

The budget may not be cut, but we will see Superman physically fighting a vilain from the books this time, I think that's pretty much a go.

[WhatsHisFace]

We will see, won't we? They SURE took a lot of time to announce it though, don't you think? And if it does, it will take a HUGE budget cut , ala the Hulk movie (but at least that is being made by marvel independently,f or a huge studio like WB a huge budget cut is very humiliating for a franchise they pinned so much one).

A film that cost $300 million, more or less, making a $100 million profit worldwide is NOT great. How can you not see that??? It's like spending five bucks to make six.

And FYI, Box Office Mojo have the most reliable projections of budgets and marketing, so it's not a figure they pulled out of their ass.
What's the matter with a budget cut? They're going to have a lot of leftover stuff from the first one that they won't have to redo again.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

.. X-men 3 blew, period.

[Fran]

Yeah, horribly rushed.

[WhatsHisFace]

X-men 3 sucks.

[Horrorfan]

anyone who thinks x men sucks in any way does NOT know or love movies.

That's simply a fact. Sorry guys :(

[Fenrir]

You don't love movies, clearly. Im sorry to be the one to tell you :(

No, I LOVE movies. I just don't like movies that suck more than an unsatiable whore that gives BJs to anything with a penis. Sorry.

And I honestly thought fans being happy with box office would be obvious, to ANYONE, but I guess not.

Question: Aside from petty bragging rights on superhero message boards, how exactly do the fans "benefit" from their favorite film's box office?

good box office = sequels. sequels = further adventures of characters we love.

Good box office of crappy films = crappy sequels of crappy movies = further adventures of good characters in unfaithful, basterdized universe in which they are cruelly raped and mutilated.

Simple. Hope this helps explain this strange phenomena :)

Yeah, in bizarro land. :)

[Fran]

Horrorfan, we all have our own opinions.

Accept it, please.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

anyone who thinks x men sucks in any way does NOT know or love movies.

That's simply a fact. Sorry guys :(


X-Men 3 is crap, period, and I have a list of good movies I own that totally ****ing bury it alive.

Fifth Element
Rush Hour
Soldier
Terminator
Terminator 2
Predator
Alien
Aliens
The Thing
Snatch
Die Hard
Jackie Chans First Strike
Gladiator
Die Hard with a Vengeance
Legend of the Drunken Master
etc.

[Horrorfan]

Sorry fenny, if you don't like X3, you DON'T love movies. Oh you may think you do, but you don't.....it's just scientific fact. Sorry :(

[Horrorfan]

X-Men 3 is crap, period, and I have a list of good movies I own that totally ****ing bury it alive.

Fifth Element
Rush Hour
Soldier
.

LOL The fact you call any of those movies good, especially fifth element which BLOWS especially, kills your case.

Hahahaha fifth element and soldier....good one :D

[WhatsHisFace]

The Fifth Element actually did suck more than X-men 3.

But X-men 3 sucked a lot too.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

The Fifth Element is a ****ing masterpiece, especially if you look it at from a artistic stand point. But for you guys its only "LAWL!1!1!!! Teh movie has no Wolverine/Superman !!!!!!11!!1!! OMGWTFBBQ!1!!!!11!"

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

LOL The fact you call any of those movies good, especially fifth element which BLOWS especially, kills your case.

Hahahaha fifth element and soldier....good one :D

Why don't you grace us with your list of good movies then?:whatever:

Oh, I forgot, you watch nothing but crap. :yay:

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Lets see.

Fifth Element: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fifth_element/

Compared to X-men 3: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_3_the_last_stand/

[WhatsHisFace]

No, actually I look at The Fifth Element realising there's something in each scene that makes it bad, which is wierd because usually even the worst movies have at least something redeemable. Something at least comical.

So in that sense, The Fifth Element is worse than what's actually possible in film making.

[WhatsHisFace]

Lets see.

Fifth Element: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fifth_element/

Compared to X-men 3: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_3_the_last_stand/
ROFL. X-men 3 really sucks if it's worse than The Fifth Element. :woot: :woot:

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

No, actually I look at The Fifth Element realising there's something in each scene that makes it bad, which is wierd because usually even the worst movies have at least something redeemable. Something at least comical.

So in that sense, The Fifth Element is worse than what's actually possible in film making.


Would you care to explain whats bad in each scene, because I have a hard time believe thats the case.

[Horrorfan]

Lets see.

Fifth Element: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fifth_element/

Compared to X-men 3: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_3_the_last_stand/

Fith element blows. You know it. Rotten tomatoes doesn't change the fact that it blows, and it doesn't change the fact you KNOW it blows.

Why don't you see what soldier got ? :p

My idea of excellent movies:

Aliens
Predator
The Exorcist
Dawn of the Dead
Terminator
Terminator 2
X Men 2
Lost Boys
The Omen
Dawn of the Dead
Leon (the Professional in the US... I cant believe the guy who did this did the fith element. No wonder the guy is retired from film making).
Alien
Gladiator
Black Hawk Down


But I guess to you, these movies must all be crap? Says alot about your taste bud :p

[WhatsHisFace]

Most of those are from his good movies list. :confused:

So if Rotten Tomatoes, a site that tracks professional reviews, isn't a good judge of film quality, why is the box office?

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Most of those are from his good movies list. :confused:

So if Rotten Tomatoes, a site that tracks professional reviews, isn't a good judge of film quality, why is the box office?


I was about to say he stole half my list. :o

[Horrorfan]

Most of those are from his good movies list. :confused:

So if Rotten Tomatoes, a site that tracks professional reviews, isn't a good judge of film quality, why is the box office?


Actually, only a few of those are from his list. read it again, and read mine. No one can deny some of those movies are classics, even someone who likes soldier, snatch or fifth element.


and a professional reviewer is just one person's opinion, box office is millions of people speaking with their wallets on what they wanted to see. and people wanted to see x3 more than supes, because supes is no longer that relevent, unless its in smallville which is more about good characters and less about fighting camp bald guys.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Fith element blows. You know it. Rotten tomatoes doesn't change the fact that it blows, and it doesn't change the fact you KNOW it blows.


The movies good, I've seen it well over 20 times and I can still watch it, thats how I KNOW its good. Things from it still interest me, I didn't come away from the watching it the first time and say "I should have just burned my money." like I did when I got out of X-men 3.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Actually, only a few of those are from his list. read it again, and read mine. No one can deny some of those movies are classics, even someone who likes soldier, snatch or fifth element.


and a professional reviewer is just one person's opinion, box office is millions of people speaking with their wallets on what they wanted to see. and people wanted to see x3 more than supes, because supes is no longer that relevent, unless its in smallville which is more about good characters and less about fighting camp bald guys.


Oh my god, you don't like Snatch? What the **** is wrong with you? Were you born in a parallel dimension where Uwe Boll is king?! :huh: :cmad: :huh:

[Horrorfan]

I was about to say he stole half my list. :o


You say I watch crap, so whatcha gotta say now? Kinda ****ed yourself in the ass now eh pal? :p

Five movies is not your list. Some of the ones you listed are renowned classics which almost everyone likes. But I think most would agree my list is better all around, since fith element and SOLDIER don't stink it up :o

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

You say I watch crap, so whatcha gotta say now? Kinda ****ed yourself in the ass now eh pal? :p

Five movies is not your list. Some of the ones you listed are renowned classics which almost everyone likes. But I think most would agree my list is better all around, since fith element and SOLDIER don't stink it up :o


No you just have X-men 3, which is by far the worst movie I've seen in years.

[WhatsHisFace]

X-men 3 is actually worse than Elektra, which I didn't see, but I saw Catwoman, or at least some of it.

[Horrorfan]

Oh my god, you don't like Snatch? What the **** is wrong with you? Were you born in a parallel dimension where Uwe Boll is king?! :huh: :cmad: :huh:


Dude, Uwe Boll is king in THIS dimension! How can you not love a director who beats the **** out of his critics, quite literally? :p

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

X-men 3 is worse then Gilgi and You got Served.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Dude, Uwe Boll is king in THIS dimension! How can you not love a director who beats the **** out of his critics, quite literally? :p

Maybe because he's one of the ****test directors to grace the film industry in decades? :huh:

[Horrorfan]

Maybe because he's one of the ****test directors to grace the film industry in decades? :huh:

As much as it pains me to say anything remotely positive about his movies, Bloodrayne, **** as it is, is still better than both soldier and fifth element. God that hurts to say.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

As much as it pains me to say anything remotely positive about his movies, Bloodrayne, **** as it is, is still better than both soldier and fifth element. God that hurts to say.


Actually if you go by professional reviews it tied with Soldier and is crushed by Fifth Element.

[WhatsHisFace]

I knew X-men 3 was bad, but I didn't know it was Soldier bad. :(

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

But anyways I have to stop arguing with you two about this or I'm going to break my monitor. You should just feel lucky that they haven't developed a way from me to reach through my monitor and interact with other posters on the other side or you would be dead.

[Horrorfan]

Actually if you go by professional reviews it tied with Soldier and is crushed by Fifth Element.

LOL@Soldier

[Horrorfan]

I knew X-men 3 was bad, but I didn't know it was Soldier bad. :(

LOL He actually meant Soldier tied with Bloodrayne :D

That's friggin hillarious

[WhatsHisFace]

I didn't see BloodRayne, but I downloaded the really crappy sex scene one day when I was depressed and needed a pick-me-up.

[Horrorfan]

I didn't see BloodRayne, but I downloaded the really crappy sex scene one day when I was depressed and needed a pick-me-up.

It sucked pretty bad, but I have seen much worse....it was actually better than I was expecting. Of course I was expecting it to be as terrible as House of the Dead and AITD :o

[hippie_hunter]

X-men 3 is worse then Gilgi and You got Served.

X3 is like Shakespere compared to those two movies.

[WhatsHisFace]

You Got Served is worse than the holocaust.

[Fran]

X-men 3 is worse then Gilgi and You got Served.

You're stretching it a little, bub.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I stretch nothing.

[Fenrir]

Sorry fenny, if you don't like X3, you DON'T love suckass movies. Oh you may think you do, but you don't.....it's just scientific fact. Sorry :(

Fixed. :o

[WhatsHisFace]

Horrorfan, as cool as you are, X-men 3 sucks a thousand pen0rs.

[블라스]

I've said this before.

X-Men 3 was a pretty fun movie, I loved the action and the sheer spectacle of it all, I mean, these are superheroes fighting like they should.
But I guess they did drop the ball concerning comicbook faithfulness and all that....something I care not about, since I'm not a huge nerd that buys 3,000 X-Men comics a week.

But while I do love it because of the action and the fun times, I gotta say Superman Returns was the better "film".

[Horrorfan]

Horrorfan, as cool as you are, X-men 3 sucks a thousand pen0rs.

I swear I read you liked the Tom Jane Punisher. I really, really hope that's not true....anyone who could like that abominable **** stain of a movie (and Im a huge fan of the punisher) and say x3 is **** needs to be nutered :(

[블라스]

Punisher was just fine, it just needed some more backstory and a bit more action.
The extended cut will take care of that, I'm sure.
A few wonky parts aside, it's a very good throwback to the old 70's gritty action movies, and while I hated it at first, I liked it a lot more the 2nd. time around and I can't wait to get the Extended cut.

Also, Tom Jane is a FANTASTIC Frank Castle/Punisher.

[WhatsHisFace]

The Punisher was MUCH better than X-men 3.

[Horrorfan]

Punisher was just fine, it just needed some more backstory and a bit more action.
The extended cut will take care of that, I'm sure.
A few wonky parts aside, it's a very good throwback to the old 70's gritty action movies, and while I hated it at first, I liked it a lot more the 2nd. time around and I can't wait to get the Extended cut.

Also, Tom Jane is a FANTASTIC Frank Castle/Punisher.


Sorry gams, I thought the movie was ****ing terrible. absoloutly atrocious. In fact, I think the dolph lungren one was far better. it was god damned stupid. it has his family getting massacred, and two minutes later, a comedy scene with him poking a guy with ice lollies? Ugh. The stupid **** with the fire hydrant? Ugh. Him saying ''its not revenge, its punishment'' and going to an elaborate lengths to then take revenge? Thats not punisher. he doesnt do stupid **** with fire hydrants. Thats not freakin punishment, thats revenge, and damn stupid at that. And I felt more sorry for the main villain whos son was killed in the first place, and he was justretaliating. Tom Jane is as versatile and talented as a plank of wood too.


Ugh dont get me started. I wish that movie was napalmed off the face of the earth. Truly horrendous.

[Horrorfan]

The Punisher was MUCH better than X-men 3.

Punisher made Fith Element look like casablanca.

[블라스]

Sorry gams, I thought the movie was ****ing terrible. absoloutly atrocious. In fact, I think the dolph lungren one was far better. it was god damned stupid. it has his family getting massacred, and two minutes later, a comedy scene with him poking a guy with ice lollies? Ugh. The stupid **** with the fire hydrant? Ugh. Him saying ''its not revenge, its punishment'' and going to an elaborate lengths to then take revenge? Thats not punisher. he doesnt do stupid **** with fire hydrants. Thats not freakin punishment, thats revenge, and damn stupid at that. And I felt more sorry for the main villain whos son was killed in the first place, and he was justretaliating. Tom Jane is as versatile and talented as a plank of wood too.


Ugh dont get me started. I wish that movie was napalmed off the face of the earth. Truly horrendous.

That's Kool & the Gang, buddy ;)
We all have different opinions :up:

[WhatsHisFace]

Sorry gams, I thought the movie was ****ing terrible. absoloutly atrocious. In fact, I think the dolph lungren one was far better. it was god damned stupid. it has his family getting massacred, and two minutes later, a comedy scene with him poking a guy with ice lollies? Ugh. The stupid **** with the fire hydrant? Ugh. Him saying ''its not revenge, its punishment'' and going to an elaborate lengths to then take revenge? Thats not punisher. he doesnt do stupid **** with fire hydrants. Thats not freakin punishment, thats revenge, and damn stupid at that. And I felt more sorry for the main villain whos son was killed in the first place, and he was justretaliating. Tom Jane is as versatile and talented as a plank of wood too.


Ugh dont get me started. I wish that movie was napalmed off the face of the earth. Truly horrendous.
Apparently you just wanted a two hour gunfight.

That would have been a really sucky movie.

I thought the fire hydrant bit was pretty clever, and the lengths he went to in order to orchestrate perfect revenge were well worth it. Howard Saint was far more punished (his life was totally ruined) than he would have been, had he just been shot.

[Horrorfan]

I will say this though for it, the fight with russian was very cool, i liked the singing assassin and I thought John Travolta did a great job. So dont say I dont see the good in anything :p

It was just everything else I hated lol.

[Horrorfan]

Apparently you just wanted a two hour gunfight.

That would have been a really sucky movie.

I thought the fire hydrant bit was pretty clever, and the lengths he went to in order to orchestrate perfect revenge were well worth it. Howard Saint was far more punished (his life was totally ruined) than he would have been, had he just been shot.




Apparently you have no clue who the punisher is, or what he does.


That was revenge. Not punishment. The death penalty is punishment. They dont go about killing his wife, family, whatever in elaborate rouses. Thats not punishment, its bull****.


It was so toneally uneven it wasnt even funny. a comedy scene FIVE MINUTES after his family is massacred? and what the **** did that jamacian do apart from pull frank from the water? what was his role in the movie?




and the punisher shirt....''OMFG DAD THIS IS INTENSEORZZZ LOL LOL''

Not to mention he started it in the first place so killing his son was really saint punishing him for it. If anything, saint was more the punisher than the punisher. laughable.

[Substance D]

yeah, punisher sucked big time. the only good part was that final scene with him standing by his car on the bridge. it conveyed the perfect sense of isolation and dreariness the whole movie should have felt like.

anyways, komplaff (?) will make a kickass halo movie. i think his documentary style suits the halo universe pretty well and will give the movie a unique look and feel. i hope they find the proper studio soon.