Storm Vs Thor

[Cyrusbales]

This occured on the MUA thread, people were arguing as to why thor is allowed a cape and storm isn't(yeah kinda sad), and the question came out as to who was the better and more popular character, vote away....

[Cyclops]

Thor is a lynchpin of the Marvel Universe. He's one of the "Big Three" of the superhero team of the MU, the Avengers. He's got a long and storied history as both a team player and a solo hero.

Storm has taken really big hits character-wise in the last few years, and marrying Hudlin's Black Panther replacement isn't helping her stature any. She's been removed from the team that defines her and has become a supporting character for Reginald Hudlin.

Think about that. We're pitting one of the most legendary heroes of the Marvel Universe against someone who is reduced to a supporting character in a poorly-written book.

Now granted, Storm is recognizable to more people outside of Marvel fandom, but Thor is one of the top dogs in the Marvel Universe, arguably in all of comics.

[Zoken]

also something to realize, while Storm may have control of the weather, and was once worshiped AS a goddess, Thor is a GOD. he is more durable, stonger, and more powerful.

[Silicon Surfer]

Thors control of the weather is also more powerful. He could conceivably prevent Storm from controlling the weather at all.

[CaptainStacy]

Thor beat Storm in Contest Of Champions II.

[HandOfFate]

Think about that. We're pitting one of the most legendary heroes of the Marvel Universe against someone who is reduced to a supporting character in a poorly-written book.

Slight correction. We're pitting somebody whose been dead for almost 2 years against someone who is reduced to a supporting character in a semi poorly-written book.

Now granted, Storm is recognizable to more people outside of Marvel fandom, but Thor is one of the top dogs in the Marvel Universe, arguably in all of comics.

I agree here.

I would actually say that Storm has a much larger fan base then Thor mostly because of her relationship with the X-Men and the movies.

Powerwise, I would say that Thor is more powerful then Storm but she seems more versatility with her abilities.

Sigh...I miss Thor.:csad:

[Silicon Surfer]

Thor may very well have the same versatility as Storm but he doesn't bother to use it since he does most of his fighting with his physical prowess. Storm uses her versatility because she has nothing else.

[CanaryFan]

Definatley Thor

[The Weather God]

I agree here.

I would actually say that Storm has a much larger fan base then Thor mostly because of her relationship with the X-Men and the movies.

Powerwise, I would say that Thor is more powerful then Storm but she seems more versatility with her abilities.


Exactly! this is exactly what i was talking about over in the MUA thread, i never said storm could beat thor, the argument was who was a better character not who could beat each other, this topic is completly taken the wrong way. thor powerwise can beat storm but that still doesen't make him a better character in the marvel universe and it certainly doesen't mean he gets a cape because he can beat storm.:whatever:. This topic is completly pointless and is completly the opposite of what i was talking about. Storm in my opinion is a much better character then thor, she is a leader, a strong black women, and one of the most popular female characters in the comic universe.

[Silicon Surfer]

The thing about Thor as a character is that since he is an immortal there is a lot of room for development since there are centuries where nothing is known of his activities. The Asgardian side of his heritage has been explored somewhat but the Gaea/Jord side has not been explored at all. Storms entire history has been timelined in the years since she was created from her childhood and orphaning to the present.

[The Weather God]

The thing about Thor as a character is that since he is an immortal there is a lot of room for development since there are centuries where nothing is known of his activities. The Asgardian side of his heritage has been explored somewhat but the Gaea/Jord side has not been explored at all. Storms entire history has been timelined in the years since she was created from her childhood and orphaning to the present.

In the end it will be based off opinion, trying to make a fact out of it will cause a serious stir especially when (like you said) some of his past has been kept secret, what would be the point in arguing if we don't know everything about him.

[BrianWilly]

There is absolutely nothing Storm can do to hurt Thor.

[Zeu]

Storm is so out of her league here it´s not even funny.

I love the character at least as much as I dislike Thor but I have to say she has as much chance of defeating him as a toddler has of wrestling down a Velociraptor.

[Majik1387]

As much as she is called a goddess, technically Storm is not a goddess and she wouldn't last long with Thor.

[Iceman]

Thor is on the next level up from Storm although it won't be an easy victory, even for him.

[Weadazoid]

Well amped up Storm with her own couterfit Hammer made By Loki gave Thro some pause.... but in th end the Thunder God is god Storm is just a mutant

[Doombringer]

I cant believe this is even a topic.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Thor is easily one of the strongest heros in the Marvel Universe.

[herakles]

I cant believe this is even a topic.
I agree!
I think a better topic is WHEN the REAL Thor is coming back!?

[XwolverineX]

lol, are you serious? Thor, easily.

[Zeu]

Thor is on the next level up from Storm although it won't be an easy victory, even for him.

Sorry, but I have to disagree.
I think this SHOULD be an easy win for him, Storm has only human durability and humans are un-be-lie-va-bly fragile little things.

I find it hillarious how people ***** and moan about how Superman is too strong, too powerful but have no problem whatsoever with Thor who, on top of being a class 100 GOD!, also has a plot-device weapon that only he can carry/use

Double standard much?

[Harlekin]

So nobody actually reads the first post anymore? It's not about who would win, lads and lassies. It's about who's more popular and who's the better character?

[Doombringer]

^ In which i repeat- I cant believe this is even a topic.

[ssj wolverine]

What a complete joke of a topic. Storm is powerful but she is a flea to the God of Thunder. He would just be toying with her for sport.

[Cyrusbales]

See, this thread proves my point that Thor is much better than Storm in Every way, Thanks people:)

[Doombringer]

I cant believe you even needed to prove that to some people :huh:

[The Weather God]

See, this thread proves my point that Thor is much better than Storm in Every way, Thanks people:)

No it doesen't because they think it's a storm vs thor battle in a matchup. Just look at the replies:whatever:

So nobody actually reads the first post anymore? It's not about who would win, lads and lassies. It's about who's more popular and who's the better character?

This one proves that no one bothered to even look at the first post because they woulden't be saying, thor could defeat storm easly.:whatever:
_______________________________

I cant believe you even needed to prove that to some people

Everyone know's that storm's a more popular character, this is an opinion battle anyway so it doesen't matter to me.

[Harlekin]

Thor >^infinitum Storm for me.

[Venom.Symbiote]

Storm is so out of her league here it´s not even funny.

I love the character at least as much as I dislike Thor but I have to say she has as much chance of defeating him as a toddler has of wrestling down a Velociraptor.

Now there's a fight I'd like to see. I even know the toddler that I want in the fight. I don't like him much.

Anyway back to topic. I think Storm would try to use some kind of hurricane force winds to keep Thor at bay and Thor being an honorable god wouldn't even use his weather manipulating powers to defeat her. I think he wouldn't consider her a challenge if he did and we all know how much he likes to fight. :venom:

[bkhedr]

What in the hell possesed four people to vote for Storm?

when will the madness end?

(and I know we are talking about the quality of the character more than when we are talking about who would win in a fight, but even still!

[Cyrusbales]

OK THEN PEOPLE!!!!!

WHO DO YOU LIKE MORE OUT OF Storm and Thor then? A popularity vote quickly? Who is the better character, regardless of power etc....

[Doombringer]

No it doesen't because they think it's a storm vs thor battle in a matchup. Just look at the replies:whatever:



This one proves that no one bothered to even look at the first post because they woulden't be saying, thor could defeat storm easly.:whatever:
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Everyone know's that storm's a more popular character, this is an opinion battle anyway so it doesen't matter to me.

A more popular character to who? The general public who dont know jack about either or and choose based off what they see in the movies? People who know both characters in depth and still pick Storm is just odd to me when Thor is everything Storm could ever possibly be and then some. Hes far more interesting IMO. True its a personal preference and im not against anyones opinion but choosing Storm over Thor in any regard wether it be vs, popularity, etc. is just baffling. I fully read its not a vs thread, but i still believe Thor to be the more superior character in every way bias aside. Shes a mutant and hes a god. That right there should be a no brainer. The whole ordeal reminds me when people pick their favorite to win in a vs battle just because they are their favorite. Nevermind if the other guy would no doubtly trample the other. Different strokes for different folks i guess but to me i just cant see how people would pick Storm over Thor. My 2 cents. Im sure ill get bombarded by Storm fans (:whatever:) for saying this but, whatever...

[Doombringer]

"OK THEN PEOPLE!!!!!

WHO DO YOU LIKE MORE OUT OF Storm and Thor then? A popularity vote quickly? Who is the better character, regardless of power etc...."

Thor no question.

[Cyrusbales]

"OK THEN PEOPLE!!!!!

WHO DO YOU LIKE MORE OUT OF Storm and Thor then? A popularity vote quickly? Who is the better character, regardless of power etc...."

Thor no question.

good good!

[The Weather God]

A more popular character to who? The general public who dont know jack about either or and choose based off what they see in the movies? People who know both characters in depth and still pick Storm is just odd to me when Thor is everything Storm could ever possibly be and then some. Hes far more interesting IMO. True its a personal preference and im not against anyones opinion but choosing Storm over Thor in any regard wether it be vs, popularity, etc. is just baffling. I fully read its not a vs thread, but i still believe Thor to be the more superior character in every way bias aside. Shes a mutant and hes a god. That right there should be a no brainer. The whole ordeal reminds me when people pick their favorite to win in a vs battle just because they are their favorite. Nevermind if the other guy would no doubtly trample the other. Different strokes for different folks i guess but to me i just cant see how people would pick Storm over Thor. My 2 cents. Im sure ill get bombarded by Storm fans (:whatever:) for saying this but, whatever...
I believe this entire post is base off of pure opinion, because i haven't seen thor in any movies, not many video games, or advertized as much as storm, and i never put any bashing toward your opinion so i would love the treatment to be returned. Just because thor is a god of lightning, doesen't nessesarly make him a better character then storm. Storm has been worshiped as a goddess and has had an omega level potential before(considering herself a goddess). You are trying to justify your opinion into fact. Storm in my opinion is way more then thor would ever be because she is a leader, a strong black women, extreamly powerful, more creative with her powers, and one of most loyal and trusted member of the xteam. Now you can run around and say thor is a better character but dont expect everyone to agree with you. My entire point in the other thread was that storm was a more popular character then thor, and that's why they still put her in that game. Not true? then why is she in the game if she haves the same powers as thor?:huh:

"OK THEN PEOPLE!!!!!

WHO DO YOU LIKE MORE OUT OF Storm and Thor then? A popularity vote quickly? Who is the better character, regardless of power etc...."

Thor no question.

This post proves my point.

I'm done here

[Silicon Surfer]

Thor is definately the better character

[javon]

:wow:
So nobody actually reads the first post anymore? It's not about who would win, lads and lassies. It's about who's more popular and who's the better character?
And look at the follow up posts :whatever: .
Originally posted by DoomBringer
"OK THEN PEOPLE!!!!!

WHO DO YOU LIKE MORE OUT OF Storm and Thor then? A popularity vote quickly? Who is the better character, regardless of power etc...."

Thor no question.
:huh: And this proves what? Hell, half of the people who voted did it apon who's more powerful and would win a fight. And why so angry? This is what the thread is for right?:o Oh I forgot, you didn't post it because of the two people arguing about who's more popular, you posted it to see how many people would pick who-thus, turning into a versus thread. Some people just have nothing else to do :csad: .
Originally posted by Majik3187
As much as she is called a goddess, technically Storm is not a goddess and she wouldn't last long with Thor.
Sigh....



This is just REDICULOUS. Even if half of the dumbasses who posted KNEW that the thread was meant for who's more popular, they still did it upon who could win a fight between the two. I guess thats why the Hype is known as the "post one thing and turn it into something else" forum. The majority of us already know that Thor would own Storms ass like a sack of pecans, but instead of looking at the actual meaning for the thread, you turn it itno something else. GET-A-LIFE.

[bkhedr]

I believe this entire post is base off of pure opinion, because i haven't seen thor in any movies, not many video games, or advertized as much as storm, and i never put any bashing toward your opinion so i would love the treatment to be returned. Just because thor is a god of lightning, doesen't nessesarly make him a better character then storm. Storm has been worshiped as a goddess and has had an omega level potential before(considering herself a goddess). You are trying to justify your opinion into fact. Storm in my opinion is way more then thor would ever be because she is a leader, a strong black women, extreamly powerful, more creative with her powers, and one of most loyal and trusted member of the xteam. Now you can run around and say thor is a better character but dont expect everyone to agree with you. My entire point in the other thread was that storm was a more popular character then thor, and that's why they still put her in that game. Not true? then why is she in the game if she haves the same powers as thor?:huh:



This post proves my point.

I'm done here

More creative with her powers: Do you have any idea all the things Mjolnir can do?

She's a leader: well whoop dee doo. He's the prince of an entire race of warrior gods. I'm pretty sure that trumps leading a team of X-men

She's extremely powerful: We'll see what good all that power does her when Thor fries the alleged 'goddess' with a bolt of lightning. The irony alone is worth it. (also unlike Thor, she wouldnt survive being electrouted)

She's a strong black woman: He's a strong white man

One of the most loyal and trusted: Whosoever holds this hammer IF HE BE WORTHY....

That fact enough for ya? Thor is superior in everyway. That being said you are allowed your opinions and I will grant that Storm is more popular but I think that has more to do with her being an X-man (ie in a book with Wolverine) then it does with her being such a great character

[javon]

She's a strong black woman: He's a strong white man
LMAO.

[Cyrusbales]

More creative with her powers: Do you have any idea all the things Mjolnir can do?

She's a leader: well whoop dee doo. He's the prince of an entire race of warrior gods. I'm pretty sure that trumps leading a team of X-men

She's extremely powerful: We'll see what good all that power does her when Thor fries the alleged 'goddess' with a bolt of lightning. The irony alone is worth it. (also unlike Thor, she wouldnt survive being electrouted)

She's a strong black woman: He's a strong white man

One of the most loyal and trusted: Whosoever holds this hammer IF HE BE WORTHY....

That fact enough for ya? Thor is superior in everyway. That being said you are allowed your opinions and I will grant that Storm is more popular but I think that has more to do with her being an X-man (ie in a book with Wolverine) then it does with her being such a great character


lol, good stuff!

[Doombringer]

More creative with her powers: Do you have any idea all the things Mjolnir can do?

She's a leader: well whoop dee doo. He's the prince of an entire race of warrior gods. I'm pretty sure that trumps leading a team of X-men

She's extremely powerful: We'll see what good all that power does her when Thor fries the alleged 'goddess' with a bolt of lightning. The irony alone is worth it. (also unlike Thor, she wouldnt survive being electrouted)

She's a strong black woman: He's a strong white man

One of the most loyal and trusted: Whosoever holds this hammer IF HE BE WORTHY....

That fact enough for ya? Thor is superior in everyway. That being said you are allowed your opinions and I will grant that Storm is more popular but I think that has more to do with her being an X-man (ie in a book with Wolverine) then it does with her being such a great character

*Ding Ding* Beautiful just beautiful. That whole post pretty much sums up exactly what i mean. Storm fans, weather god and javon, didnt mean to "bash" your character or opinion. I knew that post of mine would bite me in the ass with you Ororo fans, i just had to see where you guys are coming from because I just cant see how some of you think Storm is a better character than Thor, thats all. Yes yes its your opinion, Its just that your opinions all perplex me. Just trying to understand like i said.

Javon- what the hell do you mean that proves what? Cyrusbales asked a question, i quoted it (not in the traditional SHH! quotation cause i already clicked reply instead of quote), then answered. Read the post before mine before going all off with the accusations. I aint angry, just trying to understand your opinions.

And Wheather God- im sorry but those examples of Storm's "greatness" pale in comparison to Odinson as bkhedr briefly pointed out. If thats what you're going by when you say Storm is better than more power to you. Please go on with your opinions by all means... ill just sit here and continue to try and grasp what you're thinking. :cwink:

[javon]

Thor is superior in everyway. That being said you are allowed your opinions and I will grant that Storm is more popular but I think that has more to do with her being an X-man (ie in a book with Wolverine) then it does with her being such a great character
As much as I agree with the other suff you said, I think it's both. Her character alone is what made her one of the most popular heroines in Marvel.
Originally posted by DoomBringer
Javon- what the hell do you mean that proves what? Cyrusbales asked a question, i quoted it (not in the traditional SHH! quotation cause i already clicked reply instead of quote), then answered. Read the post before mine before going all off with the accusations. I aint angry, just trying to understand your opinions.
Ooops, sorry about that DoomBringer. I quoted the wrong person, didn't mean to do that. I thought you actually wrote that.

[Doombringer]

Its all good dude. :yay:

[S7ilver]

Thor would obviously kick Storm's ass in a fight, but Storm is a much better character then Thor could ever be in my opinion. Power is nothing in a comic book, it's given and taken in an instant at a writers choice, but character and popularity can't be, both of which Storm trumps Thor in.

[bkhedr]

To each their own dude

to me Storm is bland and boring

Thor has had his own ongoing since how long ago?

Thor has done everything from trudge through Mephisto's realm, going to hell and back, fighting super powered street thugs, traveling the spaceways and throwing down with galactus, traveling through time, discovering Ego, Ruling the world for 170 years then going back in time and undoing it, having not one but two functional intresting mortal guises/secret identities, founding Marvel's premiere superhero team. (and so much more, and always while being interesting)

Storm on the the other hand....well she's an X-man. Oh she's a supporting character in Black Panther :whatever:

[Cyrusbales]

To each their own dude

to me Storm is bland and boring

seconded:yay:

[bkhedr]

while you were seconding I was adding to my post :woot:

[Cyrusbales]

LOL, it's even better, I should have named this thread, "storm sucks, Thor rules" lol

[HandOfFate]

So nobody actually reads the first post anymore? It's not about who would win, lads and lassies. It's about who's more popular and who's the better character?

Sad but true.:csad:

[bkhedr]

lol

works for me Cyrusbales

[HandOfFate]

LOL, it's even better, I should have named this thread, "storm sucks, Thor rules" lol

That's real grown up there.:whatever:

[bkhedr]

lighten up dude
its a joke

[HandOfFate]

lighten up dude
its a joke

Sure it is....;)

[bkhedr]

bah
you're no fun

and storm sucks

[javon]

seconded:yay:
Well it's obvious your gonna 'second" every bad opinion apposed to Storm, we get it...now you should to.

[bkhedr]

bah
you're no fun

and storm sucks :p

[S7ilver]

To each their own dude

to me Storm is bland and boring

Thor has had his own ongoing since how long ago?

Thor has done everything from trudge through Mephisto's realm, going to hell and back, fighting super powered street thugs, traveling the spaceways and throwing down with galactus, traveling through time, discovering Ego, Ruling the world for 170 years then going back in time and undoing it, having not one but two functional intresting mortal guises/secret identities, founding Marvel's premiere superhero team. (and so much more, and always while being interesting)

Storm on the the other hand....well she's an X-man. Oh she's a supporting character in Black Panther :whatever:

That's the great thing about opinions I guess, even though Storm has done many of those things you've detailed throughout the X-men history while having to deal with human fears and limitations at the same time.

Personally, I have no problem with Thor, he's pretty much god and can do whatever he wants, who wouldn't want to be him. That's not why you read a comic and like a character though, at least not why I do. Storm's just a very interesting character to me and making a poll about which one you like more is just stupid and probably shows that the OP just wants to feel better about his "Thor or Storm" attitude while this forum shows only a tiny percentage of what the fans of Marvel think. Sorry if that's not how you feel but most versus threads are created by people who don't feel confident in their favorite characters.

[bkhedr]

That's the great thing about opinions I guess, even though Storm has done many of those things you've detailed throughout the X-men history while having to deal with human fears and limitations at the same time.

Personally, I have no problem with Thor, he's pretty much god and can do whatever he wants, who wouldn't want to be him. That's not why you read a comic and like a character though, at least not why I do. Storm's just a very interesting character to me and making a poll about which one you like more is just stupid and probably shows that the OP just wants to feel better about his "Thor or Storm" attitude while this forum shows only a tiny percentage of what the fans of Marvel think. Sorry if that's not how you feel but most versus threads are created by people who don't feel confident in their favorite characters.

no worries dude
we dont have to agree :up:

I just get fired up when its Thor vs anybody

[javon]

Oh, is that your favorite character or something? If so, I didn't know until I just looked at your avvy.

[bkhedr]

your point being?

[Ockham]

Storm's lightning bolt is powerful enough to kill the Hulk whereas Thor's can only hurt him (to my knowledge). So it's obvious that Ororo has the better control over weather. Therefore, she could prevent Thor from flying and, by flying herself, keep a safe distance. Or better yet, she could allow Thor to fly after her and then literally take away his wind and make him fall to his death. So if this was about combat, Storm would win.

And when it comes to who's the best character... Well, Loki himself was seriously considering to abandon his evil ways, even his goal to rule Asgard, for one of these two weather-controllers. And it sure wasn't the old goldilocks. Storm was readily accepted as the new thunder-god not only by Loki but by ALL Asgardians. Even Hela recognized her as the God of Thunder. Storm is a goddess even to gods. That's how strong a character and great a leader she is. So, character-wise, Storm is the one as well.

Kidding... a little.

[bkhedr]

Storm's lightning bolt is powerful enough to kill the Hulk whereas Thor's can only hurt him (to my knowledge). So it's obvious that Ororo has the better control over weather. Therefore, she could prevent Thor from flying and, by flying herself, keep a safe distance. Or better yet, she could allow Thor to fly after her and then literally take away his wind and make him fall to his death. So if this was about combat, Storm would win.

And when it comes to who's the best character... Well, Loki himself was seriously considering to abandon his evil ways, even his goal to rule Asgard, for one of these two weather-controllers. And it sure wasn't the old goldilocks. Storm was readily accepted as the new thunder-god not only by Loki but by ALL Asgardians. Even Hela recognized her as the God of Thunder. Storm is a goddess even to gods. That's how strong a character and great a leader she is. So, character-wise, Storm is the one as well.

Kidding... a little.

I doubt that any knowledgable marvel comics reader (storm fans included) would agree with you about how the battle would go. You clearly dont know much about Thor. Storm manipulates the weather. Thor is the GOD of Thunder. The two are not equal. Thor's hammer is enchanted by Odin himself (you ever heard of Odin? he pwns all the X-men and their villains combined) to enhance his natural weather control abilities. Storm can call down lighting. Thor can control both natural and mystical lightning (among other things). Also Thor doesnt ride the wind. He throws his hammer and holds on. It carries him along. Really he doesnt fly at all. Come to think of his hammer, here's a thought, he can use it to teleport Ororo into deep space and let the vacuum kill her. bah I dont even know why I am taking all this time to reply

Want to know how the fight would go?
Thor would throw Mjolnir at her (mjolnir is enchanted by Odin to never miss its mark) and it would kill her. Kill her? Hell it would blow her apart. End of Story

As for her being a better character, ok. I dont agree but I dont really care.

No way in hell does she beat Thor in battle though.

[javon]

your point being?
:huh: It was just a damn question, you don't have to get smart with me.

[bkhedr]

oh
sorry dude
I thought I read sarcasm

Yes Thor is my favourite character

[Silicon Surfer]

Storm's lightning bolt is powerful enough to kill the Hulk whereas Thor's can only hurt him (to my knowledge). So it's obvious that Ororo has the better control over weather. Therefore, she could prevent Thor from flying and, by flying herself, keep a safe distance. Or better yet, she could allow Thor to fly after her and then literally take away his wind and make him fall to his death. So if this was about combat, Storm would win.
.

Thors lightning and weather control are both far stronger than Storms. In addition he is immune to lightning and cold and too strong to be affected by wind. Storm can't do anything to even make Thor take the fight seriously. He's absolutely invulnerable to everything her powers can do.

[CaptainStacy]

Storm's lightning bolt is powerful enough to kill the Hulk whereas Thor's can only hurt him (to my knowledge). So it's obvious that Ororo has the better control over weather. Therefore, she could prevent Thor from flying and, by flying herself, keep a safe distance. Or better yet, she could allow Thor to fly after her and then literally take away his wind and make him fall to his death. So if this was about combat, Storm would win.

And when it comes to who's the best character... Well, Loki himself was seriously considering to abandon his evil ways, even his goal to rule Asgard, for one of these two weather-controllers. And it sure wasn't the old goldilocks. Storm was readily accepted as the new thunder-god not only by Loki but by ALL Asgardians. Even Hela recognized her as the God of Thunder. Storm is a goddess even to gods. That's how strong a character and great a leader she is. So, character-wise, Storm is the one as well.

Kidding... a little.


Storm? Kill the Hulk?

Not in THIS life, brother!

[Doombringer]

Storm's lightning bolt is powerful enough to kill the Hulk whereas Thor's can only hurt him (to my knowledge). So it's obvious that Ororo has the better control over weather. Therefore, she could prevent Thor from flying and, by flying herself, keep a safe distance. Or better yet, she could allow Thor to fly after her and then literally take away his wind and make him fall to his death. So if this was about combat, Storm would win.

And when it comes to who's the best character... Well, Loki himself was seriously considering to abandon his evil ways, even his goal to rule Asgard, for one of these two weather-controllers. And it sure wasn't the old goldilocks. Storm was readily accepted as the new thunder-god not only by Loki but by ALL Asgardians. Even Hela recognized her as the God of Thunder. Storm is a goddess even to gods. That's how strong a character and great a leader she is. So, character-wise, Storm is the one as well.

Kidding... a little.

Bwahaha!

[Doombringer]

Not in THIS life, brother!

I think you and Terry Hulk Hogan are the only two people ive ever heard who incorporate the word brother in their vocabulary. :woot:

[bkhedr]

lol

whacha gonna do brother???!!

[Ockham]

Storm? Kill the Hulk?

Not in THIS life, brother!

What, you don't believe me? Well here's scans of Storm killing the Hulk (it's canon, and in continuity):

http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch72cf.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch88vy.jpg

BTW, I'm glad someone noticed I was kidding about my take at Storm vs. Thor... :woot:

[bkhedr]

What, you don't believe me? Well here's scans of Storm killing the Hulk (it's canon, and in continuity):

http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch72cf.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch88vy.jpg

BTW, I'm glad someone noticed I was kidding about my take at Storm vs. Thor... :woot:

god I thought that was rubbish the first time i read it

thanks for bringing up bad memories ockham :oldrazz:

[Doombringer]

That was as much Cable's doing as it was Storm's.

[Ockham]

god I thought that was rubbish the first time i read it

thanks for bringing up bad memories ockham :oldrazz:

Sorry :cwink:

I too think that Storm would be ridiculously outmatched in a fight vs. Thor. So, just for kicks, I tried to come up with some pseudo-plausible argument in Storm's favour. Then I remembered her (and Cable's, as pointed out) little encounter with the Hulk during the Onslaught-saga: I thought that there's a great "bait" to lure people into thinking that I'm actually being serious :woot:

So my humour sucks... sue me.

[HandOfFate]

That was as much Cable's doing as it was Storm's.

It's actaully an interesting showing. IIRC, Cable shut down his mind while Storm stopped his heart.

Oddly enough, Storm even caused the Hulk to feel cold by dropping the temp around him.:huh:

[Varient]

Someone is bored.
Thor wins hammer down.

ask popular wise on a planet wide scale,... i'd say storm takes it because of the x-movies.

[S7ilver]

Someone is bored.
Thor wins hammer down.

ask popular wise on a planet wide scale,... i'd say storm takes it because of the x-movies.
I'd say Storm would take it even without the X-Movies, but they do help.

And yes, we all know Storm would have her ass handed to her everyone, there's not much debate on that.

[HandOfFate]

Someone is bored.
Thor wins hammer down.

I would agree with you if this was a fight between Thor and Storm.:)

but it's not....

ask popular wise on a planet wide scale,... i'd say storm takes it because of the x-movies.

If you voted then you should have voted for Storm.;)

For some reason this has become a Vs. fight when it was originally posted as a popularity contest.

The way I see it, Storm has been feature a hell of lot more in the media then Thor (comics, movies, cartoons, games, etc...).

Hell even her marriage, while unpopular to some was talked about in newpapers.

That says a lot in my opinion.:)

[CaptainStacy]

What, you don't believe me? Well here's scans of Storm killing the Hulk (it's canon, and in continuity):

http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch72cf.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch88vy.jpg

BTW, I'm glad someone noticed I was kidding about my take at Storm vs. Thor... :woot:


Pffft! Lucky for them Hulk was being controlled by Onslaught at the time. :whatever: :cwink:

[Cyclops]

Slight correction. We're pitting somebody whose been dead for almost 2 years against someone who is reduced to a supporting character in a semi poorly-written book.



Since Bucky is no longer dead, death means nothing in the Marvel Universe. And from what I've heard, Thor ain't nearly dead anymore.

[The Weather God]

More creative with her powers: Do you have any idea all the things Mjolnir can do?
Um storm's weilded one before so i could care less, without the axe he is no comparison to the versity of storm's weather minipulation.

She's a leader: well whoop dee doo. He's the prince of an entire race of warrior gods. I'm pretty sure that trumps leading a team of X-men.
Doesen't matter, he haves more power so he deserves to lead a more powerful team, storm has lead her team just as well as thor i'm most certainly sure of.

She's extremely powerful: We'll see what good all that power does her when Thor fries the alleged 'goddess' with a bolt of lightning. The irony alone is worth it. (also unlike Thor, she wouldnt survive being electrouted)
:huh:What i meant was that she was one of most powerful characters in the x-men universe not that she's a more powerful character then thor which i've mentioned several times in the past.

She's a strong black woman: He's a strong white man
:o

One of the most loyal and trusted: Whosoever holds this hammer IF HE BE WORTHY....Storm's been a thunder goddess so that makes him no better in that case.:whatever:

That fact enough for ya? Thor is superior in everyway. That being said you are allowed your opinions and I will grant that Storm is more popular but I think that has more to do with her being an X-man (ie in a book with Wolverine) then it does with her being such a great character
Nope, that's still your opinion and not mine sorry, and if wolverane is the reason storm is so popular then why hasen't jean been in as many games as storm? or any of the other x-men characters like cyclops? My whole point was why storm was put in the game. That's because she is a more popular character then thor even tho they have the same type of powers which you've agreed with me until you added your little wolverane reason at the end. Anyway like i said storm deserves a cape just as much as thor does so i see no reason as to why he deserves a cape so much more then storm.

[gambitfire]

Just found this thread before all the hardcore Avenger fans go mad!! :p

I think the pitting them in a fight is just no fair, Clearly Thor wins But i mean come on He's a freaking GOD!!

IMO that is where as a character he loses interest to me anyways.

Storm is a more relatable character and interesting, because you're immortal and have thousands of years of stories to tell does not make you that more interesting as a comic book character; to me that's just milking it and coping out as a story teller, sometimes not always.

Also let's not forget what Storm represents which outweights Thor anyday.

So i give this one to Storm. :)

[Varient]

?
hmmmn?

I don't think you could electrocute a concious storm.

Just like you can't freeze or cook,... it's canon that SHE HAS to CONTROL HER IMMEDIATE ENVIROMENT constantly because her powers are tied up into her emotions.

So,... elemental attacks don't work too well against her.

[Varient]

Oh.

BTW,... Squirrel Girl would whoop both in a one on one.

[Ben Urich]

Oh.

BTW,... Squirrel Girl would whoop both in a one on one.

She did defeat Dr. Doom pretty handily :up:
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[bkhedr]

]Um storm's weilded one before so i could care less, Wielded one what? I know she didnt lift Mjolnir without the axe he is no comparison to the versity of storm's weather minipulation. Not even close to being true. And its a hammer (are you perhaps confusing 616 Thor with Ultimate Thor? Could this be your malfunction?")




Doesen't matter, he haves more power so he deserves to lead a more powerful team, storm has lead her team just as well as thor i'm most certainly sure of. What team? He is a warrior prince of a race of warrior gods. How does leading a team of X-men compare to that?


:huh:What i meant was that she was one of most powerful characters in the x-men universe not that she's a more powerful character then thor which i've mentioned several times in the past. True. She's not more powerful than Thor


:o

Storm's been a thunder goddess so that makes him no better in that case.:whatever: Again when was this? Was it canon? Was she acctually a goddess, like Thor is actually a god, or did someone just decide to start calling her a goddess one day?


Nope, that's still your opinion and not mine sorry, and if wolverane is the reason storm is so popular then why hasen't jean been in as many games as storm? or any of the other x-men characters like cyclops? My whole point was why storm was put in the game. That's because she is a more popular character then thor even tho they have the same type of powers which you've agreed with me until you added your little wolverane reason at the end. Anyway like i said storm deserves a cape just as much as thor does so i see no reason as to why he deserves a cape so much more then storm.



If all this comes down to is Storm deserves a cape, then Ok she can have one. Still doesnt put her in Thor's league

[Ockham]

Again when was this? Was it canon? Was she acctually a goddess, like Thor is actually a god, or did someone just decide to start calling her a goddess one day?


This question was not for me, but I'll answer anyway... Storm briefly became the Goddess of Thunder in Asgard when the X-men/New Mutants visited there in mid-'80s. And yes, it is canon.

Here she claims the Eitri-made uru hammer which was said to be equal to Mjolnir and the Stormbreaker (Eitri is the fellow who made these latter two hammers as well):

http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goddessofthunder31kg.jpg

Here Hela herself greets Storm as "the Goddess of the Storm":

http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goddessofthunder54vs.jpg

... and here Storm kicks her ass :woot: :

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goddessofthunder76vv.jpg

Furthermore, several web pages list Storm as one of the few 616 people who are capable of lifting Mjolnir. I haven't seen it myself, though, so I cannot say whether it's true or not...

[bkhedr]

so she's worthy. (maybe) Doesnt make her an actual goddess. I doubt Hela would have refered to her as goddess of the storm, or even taken her seriously, if she didnt have the hammer and the power that comes with it (ie the power of Thor)

And Thor would still kill her with ease. Lets not forget that when all is said and done he could just grab her and snap her like a toothpick

As for her lifting mjolnir I am pretty sure that has never happened and the authors of those sites confused the uru hammer she used in those scans with the real mjolnir

[The Weather God]

so she's worthy. (maybe) Doesnt make her an actual goddess. I doubt Hela would have refered to her as goddess of the storm, or even taken her seriously, if she didnt have the hammer and the power that comes with it (ie the power of Thor)

And Thor would still kill her with ease. Lets not forget that when all is said and done he could just grab her and snap her like a toothpick

As for her lifting mjolnir I am pretty sure that has never happened and the authors of those sites confused the uru hammer she used in those scans with the real mjolnir

Thor could still beat her but let's not forget that this is not what this topic is about. Those scans prove that storm is just as loyal and worthy as thor will ever be and that she's an awsome character to ever be choosen to weild such power. In my opinion she is a better character and doesen't need to be god to prove that. Thor has always had his power and that's why you would think he's so much better but what would he be without his power? The way storm was when she lost her powers? she was still an awsome character without her weather powers, and that has been proven before, when she went back to still lead the x-men without her powers. Can thor still lead his warrior god team without his powers? I'm sure that still remains to be seen, but whenever you get through with trying to prove in fact that thor's a better character(because you think so) it will still come down to opinion because not everyone likes the same thing.

[Silicon Surfer]

I don't remember that story very well but I think that it was Loki that enchanted that hammer. It did not have the worthiness enchantment nor did it actually make Storm a goddess. It was part of a scam by Loki although I don't recall why. It almost certainly was not the equal of Mjolnir in power despite the claims although I don't think that there was ever a test.

[KAD]

I don't remember that story very well but I think that it was Loki that enchanted that hammer. It did not have the worthiness enchantment nor did it actually make Storm a goddess. It was part of a scam by Loki although I don't recall why. It almost certainly was not the equal of Mjolnir in power despite the claims although I don't think that there was ever a test.

It wasn't a scam Storm was the official Godess of Thunder for a short period of time while Thor croaked.

[HandOfFate]

It wasn't a scam Storm was the official Godess of Thunder for a short period of time while Thor croaked.

He speaks the truth.:yay:

[KAD]

He speaks the truth.:yay:

I wondered if anyone else would get the croaked part.:woot:

[kane9321]

storm would last maybe....6 seconds tops

[Cyclops]

Yes, her wedding made newspapers. And then what? Bam! Supporting cast status.

Whereas a mere clone of Thor is a central figure in a big, over-extended, absolutely ridiculous crossover event that has more than outstayed its welcome.

Think about that. Thor's so massively important that even a clone of him is commanding massive attention from Marvel's biggest crossover ever.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

To each their own dude

to me Storm is bland and boring

Thor has had his own ongoing since how long ago?

Thor has done everything from trudge through Mephisto's realm, going to hell and back, fighting super powered street thugs, traveling the spaceways and throwing down with galactus, traveling through time, discovering Ego, Ruling the world for 170 years then going back in time and undoing it, having not one but two functional intresting mortal guises/secret identities, founding Marvel's premiere superhero team. (and so much more, and always while being interesting)

Storm on the the other hand....well she's an X-man. Oh she's a supporting character in Black Panther :whatever:

:up: :up: :up:

I just don't get the whole Storm fascination. Yes she visually has an interesting look and power set, but character wise? She's weak. She IMO is one of the weakest X-Man (personality wise).

I don't understand why everyone thinks she's a leader, emotionally strong etc. What has she done to earn this praise? Nowt. The only thing of credit I remember is resisting a few mind probes and shouting stuff. She sucks plain and simple.

Thor quite literally rules.

[Ockham]

I finally made up my mind and voted for Storm. She is a good leader, has an interesting background, instills loyalty in her followers -- and is worthy of it, never gives up, has strong beliefs, is impossible to manipulate, has a complex relationship with her powers, and so on. She never gives the impression of being just some "forced" representative of a strong woman/black person to make the comic more "politically correct" -- at least not until this mess with BP :woot: Still, I don't dislike Thor either. Thor's slight flaw, IMO, is that when he is with the Avengers his status gets often downplayed and he becomes just a strong bruiser for Cap and Ironman to guide as they please. However, in his solo adventures he is stellar...

[HandOfFate]

Whereas a mere clone of Thor is a central figure in a big, over-extended, absolutely ridiculous crossover event that has more than outstayed its welcome..

Sadly, that more of an opinion then fact.:csad: Some people will buy just about anything these days.

Think about that. Thor's so massively important that even a clone of him is commanding massive attention from Marvel's biggest crossover ever.

Also you should keep in mind that Storm will now be palying a part with BP and Cap in Civil War.:cwink:

[Cyclops]

Clone-Thor's central role in Civil War is an opinion? :confused:

And "will be" playing a part with BP and Cap.... so basically she will be continuing her role as supporting character to Black Panther. Not a shock.

[Havok83]

I voted Storm. I dont really like Thor

[HandOfFate]

Clone-Thor's central role in Civil War is an opinion? :confused:

What central role did he play?:huh:

He came in and killed a secondary (maybe even lower) character, and then he had to be shut down. The Thor-Clone didn't advance the story at all, well other then to show how crazy the Pro side is getting.

[javon]

I just don't get the whole Storm fascination. Yes she visually has an interesting look and power set, but character wise? She's weak. She IMO is one of the weakest X-Man (personality wise).
:wow: WTF? Ororo has one of the best personalities of the X-men, and that isn't coming from the fact that she is my favorite character.

I don't understand why everyone thinks she's a leader, emotionally strong etc. What has she done to earn this praise?
*Rubs off eyes* Now this is just getting crazy. Do you even read comics with Storm? Apparently not. She doesn't have indomitablle will for nothing. And it's not just that, it takes A LOT to make her go crazy unlike some other mutants. I truly can't believe you just said that...at all.
Nowt. The only thing of credit I remember is resisting a few mind probes and shouting stuff.
Shouting stuff? Ororo Munroe doesn't just shout out blabberish. It depends on what your talking about. Because if your giving her cradit for "shouting stuff", then it really proves nothing because that could very well prove your "not emotionally strong" statement...wrong.
Thor quite literally rules.
Literally? Care to explain? Because that proved nothing as to how he "rules".

[Varient]

She did defeat Dr. Doom pretty handily :up:
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yup,.. and don't forget MODOK,..Thanos, The Mandarin, With assists easily beating Deadpool and helping the thing,...

[Varient]

:up: :up: :up:

I just don't get the whole Storm fascination. Yes she visually has an interesting look and power set, but character wise? She's weak. She IMO is one of the weakest X-Man (personality wise).

I don't understand why everyone thinks she's a leader, emotionally strong etc. What has she done to earn this praise? Nowt. The only thing of credit I remember is resisting a few mind probes and shouting stuff. She sucks plain and simple.

Thor quite literally rules.
You never read X-men right?

It shows in your casual disregard of almost two decades of detailed study of Ororo Monroe.

You could ask Any regular reader and know she is one of the deepest characters that Marvel has ever put together. I dare say that they put more into her development than the original five Xmen.

People have a GREAT feel for what she is capable of, where she has been, what she has done. her full power remains yet to be charted but by feats she shouldn't be able to beat thor - but she'd do more than bloody his nose.
Her aplication of her powers is more detailed than Thor has yet to exibit becuase Thor has five power sets to her two,... and he sit comfortable in the physical areas of his powers while she works mostly on the enviroment manip side.

You just insulted a lot of people who remember how she adopted kitty and peter as younger syblings, showed jelousy when Kitty started turning toward a dance teacher whose name I knew yesterday.

You don't know the funny moments when the xmen while fighting Iron Fist Hit Storm in the face with a bowl of potato salad and EVERYBODY ran for their lives.


You don't know the 50-11 times she stepped up expecting to die because to not do so would ensure an X-men would,.. where the writers give you a glimmer of her motivation when she did so.

Heck,... Her romance with the maker alone was hotter than ANYTHING I read about Sif or Foster.

Sir,.. I just believe you are stirring the pot to call her shallow.

For example,.. Has Thor ever lost ALL his power but continued on as a hero? Ororo did it,.. and BEAT cyclops out of the job for leadership of the xmen.

I think I'm gonna resist the soapbox a lil longer and stop here.

But I'll say again that that was insulting to people who have followed her adventures for years.


V.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3876&stc=1&d=1161647849

[Ben Urich]

Gee, and after all that... and Storm still sucks. :down

[Varient]

Gee, and after all that... and Storm still sucks. :down
For example,.. Has Thor ever lost ALL his power but continued on as a hero? Ororo did it,.. and BEAT cyclops out of the job for leadership of the xmen.

Sorry but the true def of "sucky" is the "person" who is nothing w/o his powers.

You want to hate storm,.. go ahead.


V.

[Ben Urich]

Storm lost her powers but managed to beat Cyclops for team leadership.
As if beating Cyclops means anything. :whatever:

[Varient]

Storm lost her powers but managed to beat Cyclops for team leadership.
As if beating Cyclops means anything. :whatever:

Point remains that Thor can't be depowered because at that point he becomes useless,.. Captain America,.. heck,.. ANY of his avengers buddies could beat him.

The point with Storm is that she's always been more than "Storm"
Take away her powers and she can still put a hurting on you because she had to learn more to survive.
Thor?

(chuckle)
They can't do it.

EVEN SUPERMAN IS MORE USE W/O HIS POWERS. His civilian idenity is a part of him,.. not some construct slapped on him by his dad to teach him humility.

I can't remember ANY reference in his civilain idenity where he got into a dust up without calling on the hammer.


Tsk,.. I repeat,.. Hate Storm if you got to.

[KAD]

For example,.. Has Thor ever lost ALL his power but continued on as a hero? Ororo did it,.. and BEAT cyclops out of the job for leadership of the xmen.

Sorry but the true def of "sucky" is the "person" who is nothing w/o his powers.

You want to hate storm,.. go ahead.


V.

Has Storm ever been cursed to not be able to die and not heal from her wounds?

[Ben Urich]

Yeah, if Thor was depowered, he'd be useless. If. Since he's a God, however, that won't be happening.

[The Weather God]

You never read X-men right?

It shows in your casual disregard of almost two decades of detailed study of Ororo Monroe.

You could ask Any regular reader and know she is one of the deepest characters that Marvel has ever put together. I dare say that they put more into her development than the original five Xmen.

People have a GREAT feel for what she is capable of, where she has been, what she has done. her full power remains yet to be charted but by feats she shouldn't be able to beat thor - but she'd do more than bloody his nose.
Her aplication of her powers is more detailed than Thor has yet to exibit becuase Thor has five power sets to her two,... and he sit comfortable in the physical areas of his powers while she works mostly on the enviroment manip side.

You just insulted a lot of people who remember how she adopted kitty and peter as younger syblings, showed jelousy when Kitty started turning toward a dance teacher whose name I knew yesterday.

You don't know the funny moments when the xmen while fighting Iron Fist Hit Storm in the face with a bowl of potato salad and EVERYBODY ran for their lives.


You don't know the 50-11 times she stepped up expecting to die because to not do so would ensure an X-men would,.. where the writers give you a glimmer of her motivation when she did so.

Heck,... Her romance with the maker alone was hotter than ANYTHING I read about Sif or Foster.

Sir,.. I just believe you are stirring the pot to call her shallow.

For example,.. Has Thor ever lost ALL his power but continued on as a hero? Ororo did it,.. and BEAT cyclops out of the job for leadership of the xmen.

I think I'm gonna resist the soapbox a lil longer and stop here.

But I'll say again that that was insulting to people who have followed her adventures for years.


V.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3876&stc=1&d=1161647849

Very well said and lovely picture of storm btw

[Silicon Surfer]

Actually Thor did lose his powers once and got turned into a frog in the bargain. To reclaim his hammer and his powers he had to first become a true leader and champion of frogkind and then lift his hammer once he got to it. Fortunately he did still have superfrog strength.

[Cyclops]

Point remains that Thor can't be depowered because at that point he becomes useless,.. Captain America,.. heck,.. ANY of his avengers buddies could beat him.



Thousands of years of experience as a warrior just means nothing these days, huh.

[Zeu]

You never read X-men right?

It shows in your casual disregard of almost two decades of detailed study of Ororo Monroe.

You could ask Any regular reader and know she is one of the deepest characters that Marvel has ever put together. I dare say that they put more into her development than the original five Xmen.

People have a GREAT feel for what she is capable of, where she has been, what she has done. her full power remains yet to be charted but by feats she shouldn't be able to beat thor - but she'd do more than bloody his nose.
Her aplication of her powers is more detailed than Thor has yet to exibit becuase Thor has five power sets to her two,... and he sit comfortable in the physical areas of his powers while she works mostly on the enviroment manip side.

You just insulted a lot of people who remember how she adopted kitty and peter as younger syblings, showed jelousy when Kitty started turning toward a dance teacher whose name I knew yesterday.

You don't know the funny moments when the xmen while fighting Iron Fist Hit Storm in the face with a bowl of potato salad and EVERYBODY ran for their lives.


You don't know the 50-11 times she stepped up expecting to die because to not do so would ensure an X-men would,.. where the writers give you a glimmer of her motivation when she did so.

Heck,... Her romance with the maker alone was hotter than ANYTHING I read about Sif or Foster.

Sir,.. I just believe you are stirring the pot to call her shallow.

For example,.. Has Thor ever lost ALL his power but continued on as a hero? Ororo did it,.. and BEAT cyclops out of the job for leadership of the xmen.

I think I'm gonna resist the soapbox a lil longer and stop here.

But I'll say again that that was insulting to people who have followed her adventures for years.


V.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3876&stc=1&d=1161647849

AWESOME post, dude!

[Cyclops]

What central role did he play?:huh:

He came in and killed a secondary (maybe even lower) character, and then he had to be shut down. The Thor-Clone didn't advance the story at all, well other then to show how crazy the Pro side is getting.

Well, he cemented once and for all that the Pro-Reg side is being led by a bunch of evil bastards and literally held the readership's attention hostage. Plus, he struck the first casualty of the war. It was his actions that let everybody on both sides know that this is deadly serious and relations between certain characters can never be the same again.

Seems pretty important - far more important than being T'Challa's trophy wide.

[juggster-rules]

This occured on the MUA thread, people were arguing as to why thor is allowed a cape and storm isn't(yeah kinda sad), and the question came out as to who was the better and more popular character, vote away.... i like thor much better than storm but if i had to choose whose more popular id have to go with storm cause the xmen is the most popular today out of all the teams and most characters.

[Cyclops]

But Storm isn't an X-Man anymore.

[MilkmanDan]

Point remains that Thor can't be depowered because at that point he becomes useless,.. Captain America,.. heck,.. ANY of his avengers buddies could beat him.

The point with Storm is that she's always been more than "Storm"
Take away her powers and she can still put a hurting on you because she had to learn more to survive.
Thor?So, your argument is that because you've never seen Thor do something he must be incapable of doing it? Like Cyclops mentioned, Thor has been a warrior for thousands of years. At this point we have no way of knowing, what Thor would do if he lost his powers. So there's no point in comparing what we think he might do in that situation to what Storm did.

However, I agree that Storm's accomplishments during the time she led the X-Men without her powers are a clear proof of her skills, intelligence and strength of character.

[bkhedr]

Thousands of years of experience as a warrior just means nothing these days, huh.

People seem to forget that

If Thor were totally depowered he'd still be one of the greatest Warriors who ever lived

heck he'd be Conan with a thousand times more experience, and Conan beat Captain America

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

You never read X-men right? Yes I have.

It shows in your casual disregard of almost two decades of detailed study of Ororo Monroe. I've been reading for 10 years, chum, and I'm trying to read more stuff.

You could ask Any regular reader and know she is one of the deepest characters that Marvel has ever put together. I dare say that they put more into her development than the original five Xmen. Probably, but only because they needed to. Cyclops is a simple and extremely niche character (I love Cyclops). Jeans had substantial development (More than Storm). Beast is a tragic character, just like the thing, has been an Avenger, is a geneticist etc, but has few fans). Iceman and Angle were wasted IMO.

People have a GREAT feel for what she is capable of, where she has been, what she has done. her full power remains yet to be charted but by feats she shouldn't be able to beat thor - but she'd do more than bloody his nose.
Her aplication of her powers is more detailed than Thor has yet to exibit becuase Thor has five power sets to her two,... and he sit comfortable in the physical areas of his powers while she works mostly on the enviroment manip side. But that isn't what this thread is about.

You just insulted a lot of people who remember how she adopted kitty and peter as younger syblings, showed jelousy when Kitty started turning toward a dance teacher whose name I knew yesterday. No. No I didn't insult anyone. If anyone took that as an insult, they should grow up. At no point did I say anyone who likes Storm sucks.

You don't know the funny moments when the xmen while fighting Iron Fist Hit Storm in the face with a bowl of potato salad and EVERYBODY ran for their lives.Fair enough I haven't read that.

You don't know the 50-11 times she stepped up expecting to die because to not do so would ensure an X-men would,.. where the writers give you a glimmer of her motivation when she did so. Isn't that what all X-Men would do?

Heck,... Her romance with the maker alone was hotter than ANYTHING I read about Sif or Foster. I rate characters on character, not who they lay.

Sir,.. I just believe you are stirring the pot to call her shallow. I knew it would be seen this way, but I'm no troll.

For example,.. Has Thor ever lost ALL his power but continued on as a hero? Ororo did it,.. and BEAT cyclops out of the job for leadership of the xmen. That was rigged.

I think I'm gonna resist the soapbox a lil longer and stop here. That WASN'T YOU SOAPBOXING?

But I'll say again that that was insulting to people who have followed her adventures for years. And I'll say it again. Its a fictional character, you shouldn't be offended because you like her and I don't. Get over it.


All things aside good post. I'd give it 7/10.

Good knowledge, but you could mature a little.

[Mr. Marvel]

I read x-men and have for the duration of the time I've read comics, Storm always came across as extremely boring and uniteresting. For example in that awful X-treme X-men run, that just kinda highlighted my distaste for her.

Thor was always very interesting and he could hold up the spotlight of his own book, he's pretty awesome and I never had the problems that i've had with storm with him.

Thor, definetly.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

OKAAAY next:



:wow: WTF? Ororo has one of the best personalities of the X-men, and that isn't coming from the fact that she is my favorite character. You sure? Anyway I understand why people like her (although I don't get why SO MANY people like her). I don't though.


*Rubs off eyes* Now this is just getting crazy. Do you even read comics with Storm? Apparently not. She doesn't have indomitablle will for nothing. And it's not just that, it takes A LOT to make her go crazy unlike some other mutants. I truly can't believe you just said that...at all.

Shouting stuff? Ororo Munroe doesn't just shout out blabberish. It depends on what your talking about. Because if your giving her cradit for "shouting stuff", then it really proves nothing because that could very well prove your "not emotionally strong" statement...wrong. Believe it. What I meant was (and I'll use the same example) the Shadow King attempts to take over Storm's mind and she yells "NEVER!" or some such buffoonery. The SK is then taken aback "Wow such indomitable will!" Now I'm not gonna believe someone has intomitable will just because i'm told they have it. I wanna see it. Eg Wolverine will not let ANYTHING go. He''ll chase you down and cut you up. He physically never gives up. He's a machine. Emotionally, I'll give it that Storm has will, but if you put a lot of characters in that position they'd do the same. [/QUOTE]


Literally? Care to explain? Because that proved nothing as to how he "rules".

Well, he was a GOD. Then he was the KING of GODS, so he literally ruled. Also he's not a pussy for tight spaces.

[Ahura Mazda]

Well based on the few x-men comics I was given (including the one where Storm beats Cyclops without her powers which was pretty stupid as to how it happenned imho - given she did not beat him but put him in a situation he had to withdraw from the contest) and the Thor comics such as reigning and spiral, I think Thor is the better character.

However, Storm is probably more popular among those that know of the marvel universe. Of course, then again the name Thor, given it comes from Nordic mythology, may be better known then the charcater Storm for those that do not.

[CanaryFan]

Point remains that Thor can't be depowered because at that point he becomes useless,.. Captain America,.. heck,.. ANY of his avengers buddies could beat him.
.

WHAT!!! His thousands of years of battle experience would disappear with his powers? So how come that didn't happen when he lost his powers back in the 90's when all the Norse gods were missing and Thor was mortal. I remember him taking on an entire gang of armed thugs and wiping the floor with them. At the end of the fight Black Widow (Avengers leader at the time) and the rest of the team showed up to ask him to rejoin. Thor explained that he had lost his powers and wouldn't be of much use. Widow surveyed the battle field and said "You did all this without powers, you'll do!" He went on to have some pretty good fights with the Avengers without his powers

[Varient]

Actually Thor did lose his powers once and got turned into a frog in the bargain. To reclaim his hammer and his powers he had to first become a true leader and champion of frogkind and then lift his hammer once he got to it. Fortunately he did still have superfrog strength.
SIGH.:whatever:

[Varient]

Thousands of years of experience as a warrior just means nothing these days, huh.
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THOUSANDS OF YEARS AS A SUPER POWERED WARRIOR Doesn't mean much if those powers are taken away.

Like saying a bird with wings which flew every year from Hawaii to California,... Lop off it's wings and it's still going to make hawaii within the season of travel?

[Varient]

Well, he cemented once and for all that the Pro-Reg side is being led by a bunch of evil bastards and literally held the readership's attention hostage. Plus, he struck the first casualty of the war. It was his actions that let everybody on both sides know that this is deadly serious and relations between certain characters can never be the same again.

Seems pretty important - far more important than being T'Challa's trophy wide.
So,... You believe that the fans would rather read about "Thor clone" than Storm?

Interesting.

The great thing about her character? She's not "defined" as only one thing.

The reason I could never get into Thor is that he has the SAME issues,... His dad,.. his brother, his strained relations with his wife, (who in Marvel Canon he has yet to marry),

I have issues with his limitations,... He needs the HAMMER to do all his "God - Level stuff. He has spent THOUSANDS of Years being beat down by his dad and Still doesn't have a clue sometimes as far as the lessons his father was trying to put across. His Base powers appear to flucuate to allow him to be beat by unlikely foes.

He's Stagnant.

I accept that there are people who really appreciate the character,... I myself like it when he cuts loose on an ultron or Thanos,.... but I just see him as the same thing - a "God" who walks among men,.. has a civilian idenity and has family issues.

This was him in the begining,.. this was him in his heyday,.. this is him NOW.

[Varient]

Well, he cemented once and for all that the Pro-Reg side is being led by a bunch of evil bastards and literally held the readership's attention hostage. Plus, he struck the first casualty of the war. It was his actions that let everybody on both sides know that this is deadly serious and relations between certain characters can never be the same again.

Seems pretty important - far more important than being T'Challa's trophy wide.
So,... You believe that the fans would rather read about "Thor clone" than Storm?

Interesting.

The great thing about her character? She's not "defined" as only one thing.

The reason I could never get into Thor is that he has the SAME issues,... His dad,.. his brother, his strained relations with his wife, (who in Marvel Canon he has yet to marry),

I have issues with his limitations,... He needs the HAMMER to do all his "God - Level stuff. He has spent THOUSANDS of Years being beat down by his dad and Still doesn't have a clue sometimes as far as the lessons his father was trying to put across. His Base powers appear to flucuate to allow him to be beat by unlikely foes.

He's Stagnant.

I accept that there are people who really appreciate the character,... I myself like it when he cuts loose on an ultron or Thanos,.... but I just see him as the same thing - a "God" who walks among men,.. has a civilian idenity and has family issues.

This was him in the begining,.. this was him in his heyday,.. this is him NOW.

[KAD]

So,... You believe that the fans would rather read about "Thor clone" than Storm?

Interesting.

The great thing about her character? She's not "defined" as only one thing.

The reason I could never get into Thor is that he has the SAME issues,... His dad,.. his brother, his strained relations with his wife, (who in Marvel Canon he has yet to marry),

I have issues with his limitations,... He needs the HAMMER to do all his "God - Level stuff. He has spent THOUSANDS of Years being beat down by his dad and Still doesn't have a clue sometimes as far as the lessons his father was trying to put across. His Base powers appear to flucuate to allow him to be beat by unlikely foes.

He's Stagnant.

I accept that there are people who really appreciate the character,... I myself like it when he cuts loose on an ultron or Thanos,.... but I just see him as the same thing - a "God" who walks among men,.. has a civilian idenity and has family issues.

This was him in the begining,.. this was him in his heyday,.. this is him NOW.

You are kidding right?

Thor has gone through numerous changes.

By the way I didn't know he was married and he doesn't need the Hammer to use his power it just acts as a focus.

[HandOfFate]

Well, he cemented once and for all that the Pro-Reg side is being led by a bunch of evil bastards and literally held the readership's attention hostage. Plus, he struck the first casualty of the war. It was his actions that let everybody on both sides know that this is deadly serious and relations between certain characters can never be the same again.

So in other words a tool, killed somebody not Thor.:yay:

But Storm isn't an X-Man anymore.

Come on Cyke, you know the rules. "Once a X-Man, always a X-Man"

[Varient]

So, your argument is that because you've never seen Thor do something he must be incapable of doing it? Like Cyclops mentioned, Thor has been a warrior for thousands of years. At this point we have no way of knowing, what Thor would do if he lost his powers. So there's no point in comparing what we think he might do in that situation to what Storm did.

However, I agree that Storm's accomplishments during the time she led the X-Men without her powers are a clear proof of her skills, intelligence and strength of character.
No,.. My argument is that the Thor fans who have issue with Storm just need to back off on the "She's shallow and boring" riff.

The character has SHOWN much more latitude than Thor in her day to day. She is/has been an or orphan, a thief, traveling companion to a prince, a Goddess of the plains, an X-man with the power to toss Jumbo jets around and force Doom to retreat after crossing the line on one of her three flaws. In the same light she has been courted by Doom, by Magneto, She lead the X-men, and followed the X-men credo w/o powers.

Without a Hammer to form gateways,.. she has been across this Galaxy, has been a part of SAVING the Universe on two occasions NOT counting the Phoenix Incidents. She has been INSTRUMENTAL in saving the EArth from Invasion on two occasions, has come back from being Depowered, from being Neutered, (Genoshia), from being changed into a child, (Intro of Gambit), Has been Stranded in places that would give a thunderGod pause.

I'm just irritated that YEARS of her being better than humans and metahumans,.. holding to a higher standard because she had no choice - is dismissed by people more interested in a guy who is a tool user. THE CHARACTER IS RICH,... I could give similar rants to maybe 20 Marvel characters who have captured my imagination becuase of the twist that is their backdrop which rests their powers.

V.

[Varient]

People seem to forget that

If Thor were totally depowered he'd still be one of the greatest Warriors who ever lived

heck he'd be Conan with a thousand times more experience, and Conan beat Captain America
?
Okay.
We'll just agree to disagree,.. because I see him as a great tool user,... and a serious brawler,... but I've seen better moves from Ben Grimm.

[HandOfFate]

I've been reading for 10 years, chum, and I'm trying to read more stuff.

Probably, but only because they needed to. Cyclops is a simple and extremely niche character (I love Cyclops). Jeans had substantial development (More than Storm).

Hmmm....correct me if I'm wrong but seeing that you only started 10 years ago, I'm guessing more of your opinion on Storm comes from Scott Lobdell.

If so that's really sad.:csad:

[bkhedr]

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THOUSANDS OF YEARS AS A SUPER POWERED WARRIOR Doesn't mean much if those powers are taken away.

Like saying a bird with wings which flew every year from Hawaii to California,... Lop off it's wings and it's still going to make hawaii within the season of travel?

Dude, sorry but this is just poorly thought out on your part

He is a warrior. He has been a warrior for thousands of years. If you take away his strength and magical abilities he's still the same deadly effiecient supremely talented warrior who has lead countless armies in countless wars. He just wont be as strong or be able to control the weather

hence my comment about what he would become, Conan with about a thousand times more experience, and still able to pwn Storm

think before you type

[Zeu]

I was never impressed by Thor´s "alledged" combat skills myself.

For someone with THOUSANDS of years expertise, all he seems to do is lift hammer up and down. Repeat. Up. Down. Repeat. Up. Down.

Some skill indeed....

[bkhedr]

You are kidding right?

Thor has gone through numerous changes.

By the way I didn't know he was married and he doesn't need the Hammer to use his power it just acts as a focus.

Exactly

he is the god of thunder (with weather control powers that trump Storm's) with or without Mjolnir. Mjolnir just makes the gap between them that much larger

[Varient]

All things aside good post. I'd give it 7/10.

Good knowledge, but you could mature a little.
Who's more mature? someone who just slams a character w/o explanation,
(boring and shallow)

or someone who EXPLAINS HIS POINT or reasoning w/o being prompted?

Get off your high horse.

[bkhedr]

I was never impressed by Thor´s "alledged" combat skills myself.

For someone with THOUSANDS of years expertise, all he seems to do is lift hammer up and down. Repeat. Up. Down. Repeat. Up. Down.

Some skill indeed....

Do yourself a favor

read Oeming's ragnarok

[Varient]

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You sure? Anyway I understand why people like her (although I don't get why SO MANY people like her). I don't though.


Believe it. What I meant was (and I'll use the same example) the Shadow King attempts to take over Storm's mind and she yells "NEVER!" or some such buffoonery. The SK is then taken aback "Wow such indomitable will!" Now I'm not gonna believe someone has intomitable will just because i'm told they have it. I wanna see it. Eg Wolverine will not let ANYTHING go. He''ll chase you down and cut you up. He physically never gives up. He's a machine. Emotionally, I'll give it that Storm has will, but if you put a lot of characters in that position they'd do the same.




Well, he was a GOD. Then he was the KING of GODS, so he literally ruled. Also he's not a pussy for tight spaces.[/QUOTE]
here we go with the insults.

Sigh

Since you can't put across someone resisting a telepathic attack save by the person resisting and the attacker saying "what a tough nut to crack" you show a distressing literal-mindedness in putting the incident down to just her yelling.

Tsk.

[Zeu]

I´ve noticed nobody addressded the issue I brought up.

Why is it people ***** and moan about Superman being too powerful when they fall head over heels for Thor BECAUSE he´s this perfect stronger-than-thou nordic GOD?

"- I hate Superman, the guy is TOO powerful. But Thor rocks, the guy is a GOD. Plus he could trounce Superman."

That makes sense....

[bkhedr]

I will admit that the numerous examples given by the people who voted Storm have made me reconsider my opinion about her. She does seem more interesting then I originally gave her credit for but I reiterate that you guys are deluding yourselves by thinking she is in Thor's class

He is one of the premier characters in the MU both in power and importance to the MU (forget about the readers I'm talking about the characters who populate the MU)

Cap, Iron Man, Thor

The big three. The core of the Avengers.

no matter how much you like storm try to keep that in perspective

[bkhedr]

I´ve noticed nobody addressded the issue I brought up.

Why is it people ***** and moan about Superman being too powerful when they fall head over heels for Thor BECAUSE he´s this perfect stronger-than-thou nordic GOD?

"- I hate Superman, the guy is TOO powerful. But Thor rocks, the guy is a GOD. Plus he could trounce Superman."

That makes sense....

no one wants to address it because anything in the Superman vs Thor mold has already been discussed to death in other threads. And it really has no place in this thread since no one in this thread has made that allegation.
In fact it acctually bugs me when people say something like that and say that it bugs them

"I hate Superman, the guys is TOO powerful. But Thor rocks, the guy is a GOD. Plus he could trounce Superman"

Who said this? Did you say it? Personally I love Superman and I dont think he's too powerful at all. Also Thor would beat him 6 out of 10 times :woot:

And now just to kill this line of thinking once and for all:

How many characters in the MU are more powerful than Thor?

ALOT

[Zeu]

I will admit that the numerous examples given by the people who voted Storm have made me reconsider my opinion about her. She does seem more interesting then I originally gave her credit for but I reiterate that you guys are deluding yourselves by thinking she is in Thor's class



He is one of the premier characters in the MU both in power and importance to the MU (forget about the readers I'm talking about the characters who populate the MU)



Cap, Iron Man, Thor



The big three. The core of the Avengers.



no matter how much you like storm try to keep that in perspective


By that logic, the big six are Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk Wasp and Pym.

Does anyone even know who Wasp and Pym are, aside from half a dozen MU fans?

[Varient]

WHAT!!! His thousands of years of battle experience would disappear with his powers? So how come that didn't happen when he lost his powers back in the 90's when all the Norse gods were missing and Thor was mortal. I remember him taking on an entire gang of armed thugs and wiping the floor with them. At the end of the fight Black Widow (Avengers leader at the time) and the rest of the team showed up to ask him to rejoin. Thor explained that he had lost his powers and wouldn't be of much use. Widow surveyed the battle field and said "You did all this without powers, you'll do!" He went on to have some pretty good fights with the Avengers without his powers

I wish that you guys can understand my point here. Thor when stripped of his powers doesn't continue on as an avenger,... didn't continue to fight the good fight - when asked to continue with the Avengers HE DECLINED. I don't remember a run with a depowered THOR,.. so I'll have to go looking for those issues in my collection in my spare time.

V.

[bkhedr]

By that logic, the big six are Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk Wasp and Pym.

Does anyone even know who Wasp and Pym are, aside from half a dozen MU fans?

Did I say six?

dont put words into my mouth just because I'm arguing circles around you :o

and read my post properly...what the hell do the fans have to do with the people who live in the MU?

[bkhedr]

I wish that you guys can understand my point here. Thor when stripped of his powers doesn't continue on as an avenger,... didn't continue to fight the good fight - when asked to continue with the Avengers HE DECLINED. I don't remember a run with a depowered THOR,.. so I'll have to go looking for those issues in my collection in my spare time.

V.

Agreed. And I understand your point but so what? There is a lot more to Thor then being an Avenger.

[Zeu]

Did I say six?

dont put words into my mouth just because I'm arguing circles around you :o

and read my post properly...what the hell do the fans have to do with the people who live in the MU?

Relax, man, you´re in a comic book forum , not at the UN security council debating North Korea´s nuclear tests.

And if you want to speak about power and importance, Storm was an X-Men leader (that team that has saved the world more times than I can count) and someone who could DEVASTATE the planet if she wanted.

She is powerful and important.

And more popular than Thor to boot.

So she can´t defeat him. Well, neither can Captain America (who´s FAR more important to the MU than Thor ever was).

[Varient]

You are kidding right?

Thor has gone through numerous changes.

By the way I didn't know he was married and he doesn't need the Hammer to use his power it just acts as a focus.
I have really tried to be fair here.
I have racked my brains and can't remember a time when Thor started a storm WITHOUT THE HAMMER.

I'm trying to remember him forming gateways, throwing energy around, or flying by throwing any other heavy object and hitching a ride.

Norse Mythology,.. He and Sif have more than an understanding,... they wre Married. In Marvel she is the Lady Sif,... the woman in waiting and warrior fem with a sword.

V.

[bkhedr]

Relax, man, you´re in a comic book forum , not at the UN security council debating North Korea´s nuclear tests.

And if you want to speak about power and importance, Storm was an X-Men leader (that team that has saved the world more times than I can count) and someone who could DEVASTATE the planet if she wanted.

She is powerful and important.

And more popular than Thor to boot.

So she can´t defeat him. Well, neither can Captain America (who´s FAR more important to the MU than Thor ever was).

Dude Storm was the leader of the X-men is all well and good but Thor was the leader of the Avengers (apparently being Prince of Asgard isnt proof enough of his leadership abilites). I dont think anyone will argue that the Avengers are the premier superhero team in the MU hence leading them (which Thor did) trumps leading the X-men

I still think Thor is more important to the MU than Storm is (heck I know it for sure) but there's really no point in debating in any longer

But I dont think Storm could devastate the planet. I've seen nothing to suggest she has that kind of range. And even if she did Thor would just negate her weather manipulation through force of will :yay:

[Varient]

Dude, sorry but this is just poorly thought out on your part

He is a warrior. He has been a warrior for thousands of years. If you take away his strength and magical abilities he's still the same deadly effiecient supremely talented warrior who has lead countless armies in countless wars. He just wont be as strong or be able to control the weather

hence my comment about what he would become, Conan with about a thousand times more experience, and still able to pwn Storm

think before you type
All you guys need to stop.

By feats,.. I've seen little if any proof of thousands of years of fighter prowess. If true the writers and artists after Kirby has done you guys a disservice.

[Varient]

Dude, sorry but this is just poorly thought out on your part

He is a warrior. He has been a warrior for thousands of years. If you take away his strength and magical abilities he's still the same deadly effiecient supremely talented warrior who has lead countless armies in countless wars. He just wont be as strong or be able to control the weather

hence my comment about what he would become, Conan with about a thousand times more experience, and still able to pwn Storm

think before you type
All you guys need to stop.

By feats,.. I've seen little if any proof of thousands of years of fighter prowess. If true the writers and artists after Kirby has done you guys a disservice.

[bkhedr]

I have really tried to be fair here.
I have racked my brains and can't remember a time when Thor started a storm WITHOUT THE HAMMER.

I'm trying to remember him forming gateways, throwing energy around, or flying by throwing any other heavy object and hitching a ride.

Norse Mythology,.. He and Sif have more than an understanding,... they wre Married. In Marvel she is the Lady Sif,... the woman in waiting and warrior fem with a sword.

V.

Acctually it is canon (with numerous examples in print) that Thor can summon storms without Mjolnir. (not only have I seen him do it but Odin said so too)

As for flying and forming portals. Yes those powers are attributed to Mjolnir and no one is saying that Thor can open portals or fly without his hammer.
But Mjolnir is his and ever shall be! :woot:

[bkhedr]

All you guys need to stop.

By feats,.. I've seen little if any proof of thousands of years of fighter prowess. If true the writers and artists after Kirby has done you guys a disservice.

It is true, and yes the writers have done us a disservice (though Oeming did it right, if you havent read it, you should read Ragnarok)

[HandOfFate]

Dude Storm was the leader of the X-men is all well and good but Thor was the leader of the Avengers (apparently being Prince of Asgard isnt proof enough of his leadership abilites).

You know I really can't think of anything he did as leader of the Avengers, that would be note worthy. Now if this was Cap this would be a different ball game.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he a bad leader but just because he lead the Avengers doesn't make him a better leader then Storm .

I dont think anyone will argue that the Avengers are the premier superhero team in the MU hence leading them (which Thor did) trumps leading the X-men.

I wouldn't go that far. Both team have stood before almost total annihilation and won.

But I dont think Storm could devastate the planet. I've seen nothing to suggest she has that kind of range. And even if she did Thor would just negate her weather manipulation through force of will :yay:

You should read more on Storm.:yay:

Acctually it is canon (with numerous examples in print) that Thor can summon storms without Mjolnir. (not only have I seen him do it but Odin said so too)

I have a question.

Without Mjolnir, how powerful are Thor's storm making ability?

[CanaryFan]

For someone with THOUSANDS of years expertise, all he seems to do is lift hammer up and down. Repeat. Up. Down. Repeat. Up. Down.

As opposed the majority of other heroes who make fist, pull back arm, extend arm rapidly, repeat as needed.

[bkhedr]

Good one CanaryFan :up:

You know I really can't think of anything he did as leader of the Avengers, that would be note worthy. Now if this was Cap this would be a different ball game.

I'm not sure what you mean by noteworthy. He lead the team. They followed him without question. He mad good judgements. They triumphed against all odds. What more is there?

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he a bad leader but just because he lead the Avengers doesn't make him a better leader then Storm .

Fair enough


I wouldn't go that far. Both team have stood before almost total annihilation and won.


True but the Avengers are still the world's premier super team. When the world is on the brink of annihilation who gets the call? Who do the people scream for to save them? The Avengers that's who. Then the Fantastic Four, then maybe the X-men. Not putting down the X-men or anything just telling it like it is


You should read more on Storm.:yay:

Maybe I will. Any recommendations?



I have a question.

Without Mjolnir, how powerful are Thor's storm making ability?

God level :woot:

which is most likely > mutant level

[Varient]

Dude, sorry but this is just poorly thought out on your part

He is a warrior. He has been a warrior for thousands of years. If you take away his strength and magical abilities he's still the same deadly effiecient supremely talented warrior who has lead countless armies in countless wars. He just wont be as strong or be able to control the weather

hence my comment about what he would become, Conan with about a thousand times more experience, and still able to pwn Storm

think before you type
All you guys need to stop.

By feats,.. I've seen little if any proof of thousands of years of fighter prowess. If true the writers and artists after Kirby has done you guys a disservice.

[Mr. Green]

It's inevitable that Thor will return and kick his clone's ass. Then he will get his own ongoing. Then (if written well) everyone will see that Thor is a way better character than Storm.

[Zeu]

As opposed the majority of other heroes who make fist, pull back arm, extend arm rapidly, repeat as needed.

Punching is not as straightforward as you seem to imply.
There are hundreds of possible variations depending on the technique and intended result.

Certainly it´s more complex than what I´ve seen Thor deliver to this day, which consists of basically lifting hammer up and down (or right to left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative :p ).

So much for "Thousands of years of expertise".

[Cyrusbales]

Thor's expertise is the fact that over thousands of years, he's discovered that simply lifting the hammer, KILLS THE BADGUYS!!!! It's a csimple and effective system, why screw with that?

[The Weather God]

Dude Storm was the leader of the X-men is all well and good but Thor was the leader of the Avengers (apparently being Prince of Asgard isnt proof enough of his leadership abilites). I dont think anyone will argue that the Avengers are the premier superhero team in the MU hence leading them (which Thor did) trumps leading the X-men
I woulden't turn this into a x-men vs Avengers if i were you, both teams are undoubtly two of the best

But I dont think Storm could devastate the planet. I've seen nothing to suggest she has that kind of range. And even if she did Thor would just negate her weather manipulation through force of will :yay:
You really must not know the versity of storm's power.

Punching is not as straightforward as you seem to imply.
There are hundreds of possible variations depending on the technique and intended result.

Certainly it´s more complex than what I´ve seen Thor deliver to this day, which consists of basically lifting hammer up and down (or right to left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative :p ).

So much for "Thousands of years of expertise".
Well storm haves to work alot harder then thor on the elements. For example: to stop a storm she haves to become one with it and use some of her own energy to stop it, as thor controls it magically and i guess just imagine it gone without any strain on himself. I don't even think thor's mentally attached to nature like storm is.

[Zeu]

Thor's expertise is the fact that over thousands of years, he's discovered that simply lifting the hammer, KILLS THE BADGUYS!!!! It's a csimple and effective system, why screw with that?

That doesn´t require expertise.
"- If I swing my Plot-Device weapon up and down, it will demolish the oposition."

A dog could do that, if he had oposable thumbs.
A gorilla too. A hen.

Okay, maybe not the hen.... :cool:

[Cyrusbales]

still works though! Where's the problem? It takes expertise to know the simple and best method

[Zeu]

still works though! Where's the problem? It takes expertise to know the simple and best method

No, it doesn´t require expertise.

If he had developped some sort of hammer-fu technique that allowed him to demolish armies of trolls with a single, special hammer swing, THEN you could consider him an expert.

If he had learned how to hammer-fu a subcontinent in half just by swinging a leaf, THEN you could consider him an expert.

Swinging a hammer up and down (or right and left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative) does not require expertise since cavemen have been doing that for 100,000 years.

[Cyrusbales]

OK, I'll explain again, Thor knows this is the best method, proabably from trying out other stuff.

A master swordsman is someone who only ever needs to do one simple slash. He arrives at this conclusion after years of training and stuff, same goes for Thor..

[Zeu]

It´s a bit like playing Resident Evil with the rocket launcher.

You can kill everything in sight just by punching a button.
It works, it´s simple and it´s effective too!
But it doesn´t tell much about your gaming skills, does it?

Now if you played from beginning to end with those letter openers that Resident Evil characters call knives, THEN you could claim to be an awesome gamer.!

[Cyrusbales]

But you have to unlock the rocket launcher through experience in the game, therin lies the expertise...

[Zeu]

But you have to unlock the rocket launcher through experience in the game, therin lies the expertise...

Unless you have your younger brother unlock it for you.

Or in Thor´s case, have your dad GIVE it to you.

[Cyrusbales]

in quake, the rocket launcher is hardest to use because it can kill yourself, it takes expertise to use it, I don't see you crushing stuff with a big hammer? Bit unfair for you to criticise!

[Zeu]

in quake, the rocket launcher is hardest to use because it can kill yourself, it takes expertise to use it, I don't see you crushing stuff with a big hammer? Bit unfair for you to criticise!

In Quake you only have 100HP and a nearly worthless armor.

When you are a NORSE GOD who can walk in the sun and laugh in the face of nuclear detonations, there is no such thing as worrying about shrapnel or flying debris.

I´m positivelly sure not even the aforementioned dog or gorilla would kill themselves by hitting their own sorry selves with the hammer (I´m not so sure about the hen :cool: ).

[Cyrusbales]

thor has worked out what works, why you keep bashing him? When you fight super villains in an easier way, then let me know

[CanaryFan]

Punching is not as straightforward as you seem to imply.
There are hundreds of possible variations depending on the technique and intended result.

Certainly it´s more complex than what I´ve seen Thor deliver to this day, which consists of basically lifting hammer up and down (or right to left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative :p ).

So much for "Thousands of years of expertise".

LOL! You can swing the hammer about as many ways as you can a fist, plus you can throw it, smash things and send the debris flying at your opponent, shoot cosmic energy, summon lightning and other elements, siphon magic, ect, ect, ect. Lets see you do all that with your fist. Thor is no stranger to fighting hand to hand either but for many years he couldn't stay as Thor if he was out of contact with it for to long so it was mandatory for him to use the hammer. That was both interesting and lame in various stories.

What many of you don't get is that Thor is mostly a lone fighter. Battle experience in a one on one or one against many fight has more to do with positioning yourself, reflexes and timming, and honning your skills to perfection than leadership and organizing a mass group strategy. The average pro fighter is still trying to improve his reflexes and timming when his body starts getting over the hill and declining. Thor on the other hand has continued getting better for centuries.You can't show these kind of skills in illistrations you just have to accept that the character creators and writters say they exist. Leading a team is a different skill, one that Thor has shown the ability to do but it's probably not his strongest quality.

[Kitsune]

That doesn´t require expertise.
"- If I swing my Plot-Device weapon up and down, it will demolish the oposition."

A dog could do that, if he had oposable thumbs.
A gorilla too. A hen.

Okay, maybe not the hen.... :cool:
But Superchicken could do it

[Zeu]

thor has worked out what works, why you keep bashing him? When you fight super villains in an easier way, then let me know

Well, there ARE no supervillains in our world so you can pretty much guess I MUST have indeed found that easier way. :D
LOL
Relax, dude, it´s all fun and games. We´re talking about comics, it´s not the end of civilization as we know it.


LOL! You can swing the hammer about as many ways as you can a fist,

I´m sure you can.
Too bad then that about 90% of the comics show him just swinging it up and down (or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative) :cool:

[Kitsune]

Well, there ARE no supervillains in our world

That's not what I hear from Hugo Chavez....:D

[Zeu]

That's not what I hear from Hugo Chavez....:D

- Hey, one thing at a time! If I go after him, who´s gonna stop the giant leeches from eating Manhattan?
- But, Zeu, there are no giant leeches in Manhattan.


Exactly.

[Doombringer]

Jesus, now your nitpicking on how many ways Thor can swing his hammer? Scratching the bottom of the barrel much arent we? It dont matter how i swing a war hammer, its still gonna crack your skull open and leave your jaw hanging off. A weapon like a war hammer is best used in a simplistic way. Besides Mjolinir is probably one of the more versatile weapons ive seen in comics (as it helps channel Thors power, desperses his godforce, opens gateway, etc). I dont know what you expect Thor to do with it, become all Donetello from TMNT and swing that thing like a ninja? He throws it, it never misses its mark and it will all in all probably kill you from the impact alone. Simple and very effective. Add a little electricity and magic, and nothing short of the Hulk will probably come out of that not ****ed up.

Varient, im all for you sticking up for your character Storm, but some times you make no sense. How can taking away Thors powers make him less of a warrior? He will still have his warrior skills. True he cant go up against Asgardian Trolls or other super-powered threats like he used to, but he can still fight and uses his expierence in war. Besides Thor isnt exactly a small guy, even without his super strength hes still gonna **** alot of peoples day up who are on his level. Give that guy a sledge hammer and see what happens.

Have them both Storm and Thor depowered and see what happens.

Want some show on Thors warrior prowess, indominable will, etc? Like people have said- One word- RAGNAROK.

[Silicon Surfer]

While Thor is not a practicing sorceror he has shown a decent knowledge of magic. If he were depowered for any length of time he might fall back on magic. He has been known to work magic that is not among his hammers enchantments such as healing Jane Foster and restoring his last worshipper to temporary youth so this is not a big stretch.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Who's more mature? someone who just slams a character w/o explanation,
(boring and shallow)

or someone who EXPLAINS HIS POINT or reasoning w/o being prompted?

Get off your high horse.


A lot of my posts are done at work, so I have limited time to complete them, so sorry.

Yes I am to the point, and (when it comes to most comics) literal minded. I didn't 'slam' a character, or you, despite any 'offense' taken. I just said based on my experience (which admittedly is limited compared to many) I find the character dull. Thats my opinion. I have no problem with anyone discussing otherwise, in fact I welcome it. Your post (and the other ones too) were good, I thought 7/10 was a good mark.

What really ticked me off was the offense you took. I didn't call your mother or sleep with your wife, so get over it. Other people in this thread have said the same thing as me and justified it less.

Anyhow, I appreciate the argument, if not the manner it was conducted. Life is too short.

[bkhedr]

Punching is not as straightforward as you seem to imply.
There are hundreds of possible variations depending on the technique and intended result.

Certainly it´s more complex than what I´ve seen Thor deliver to this day, which consists of basically lifting hammer up and down (or right to left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative :p ).

So much for "Thousands of years of expertise".

my god

If I thought like you did I could just say That Wolverine has no skill because all he does is make a slashing or thrusting motion with his claws. And IronFist has no skill because I've only ever seen him throw one kind of punch and one kind of kick. And Captain America only knows how to throw a straight punch because that;s the only punch the artists know how to draw

you're thinking is flawed

[bkhedr]

I woulden't turn this into a x-men vs Avengers if i were you, both teams are undoubtly two of the best

Why wouldnt I? The Avengers are marvel's premier super hero team. The X-men are more popular with the fans. These are facts and you cant dispute them.


You really must not know the versity of storm's power.

Versatility and range arent the same thing


Well storm haves to work alot harder then thor on the elements. For example: to stop a storm she haves to become one with it and use some of her own energy to stop it, as thor controls it magically and i guess just imagine it gone without any strain on himself. I don't even think thor's mentally attached to nature like storm is.

He's the god of thunder to him the storm's are sentient and obey his will without hesitation because he is their lord and master.

[bkhedr]

LOL! You can swing the hammer about as many ways as you can a fist, plus you can throw it, smash things and send the debris flying at your opponent, shoot cosmic energy, summon lightning and other elements, siphon magic, ect, ect, ect. Lets see you do all that with your fist. Thor is no stranger to fighting hand to hand either but for many years he couldn't stay as Thor if he was out of contact with it for to long so it was mandatory for him to use the hammer. That was both interesting and lame in various stories.

What many of you don't get is that Thor is mostly a lone fighter. Battle experience in a one on one or one against many fight has more to do with positioning yourself, reflexes and timming, and honning your skills to perfection than leadership and organizing a mass group strategy. The average pro fighter is still trying to improve his reflexes and timming when his body starts getting over the hill and declining. Thor on the other hand has continued getting better for centuries.You can't show these kind of skills in illistrations you just have to accept that the character creators and writters say they exist. Leading a team is a different skill, one that Thor has shown the ability to do but it's probably not his strongest quality.

great post CanaryFan. Zeu just doesnt know how to read a comic book. Nor does he seem to understand what it takes to be a great warrior. There are things Thor does that you dont see in a single still panel. What's more if you know about fighting then you know that most of what seperates a great fighter from a good one are minute almost impereceptible details like positioning, balance, and timing. Things that no artist will ever show

[Silicon Surfer]

He also loves the Storm, the more extreme the better. Read the Secret Wars and you will find a scene where the heros are inside talking about how extreme the thunderstorm is and that it is worse than anything earth can produce. Someone tells the rest that Thor is outside in it and egging it on. They then show Thor outside reveling in the experiance. I believe that they refer to the raindrops as hitting like .44 magnum bullets. I have never ran across a description of Thors perspective on storm control but he definately feels an empathy and an affinity for the Storm he does not merely order it to do something even if it is not a direct mental connection ( which it may be for all we know ).

[bkhedr]

sweet

I really need to read Secret Wars

[PinnyPed]

Hi! My first post.

I thought this was settled by Contest of Champions II where the Thor/Storm match is shown to be kind of a joke. Storm hits Thor with a huge blast of weather power and he just shrugs it off. She tries to overpower him through physical strength and he laughs it off. And, it was written by Claremont, who might know something about Storm's limits and has no problem writing strong female characters.

Secondly, Storm has shown in an X-men/Avenger miniseries that she dislikes Thor because he just tells the weather what to do and it does it, unlike her who really has to influence weather patterns and such to make a change in the weather.

Thirdly, Thor without powers. It's happened quite a bit over the character's 45 year history. Here are some highlights:

Thor 145-148 - Thor's powers are removed except his strength which is his birthright, but he still fights Loki, The Wrecker (and beats him) and the Destroyer. In a crossover to Fantastic Four (#66 I believe) a depowered Thor goes toe-to-toe with The Thing.

Thor in the 490's loses his powers and has normal human strength but still manages to defeat an entire gang armed with heavy weaponry while unarmed in a great fight sequence. Depowered Thor then goes on a mission with Captain America and keeps up with Cap athletically as they plow through enemies and jump from rooftop to rooftop in a trip through NYC.

Off the top of my head that's all I can think of, but remember Asgard was full of enemies that were equal or superior to Thor in strength and power. The early Kirby issues show a lot of fighting skill, but then again Kirby was great at drawing fighting scenes.

I like Storm, she's a great supporting character. But, Thor was a Stan Lee creation that introduced, along with the Fantastic Four, many of the cosmic and interdimensional vistas and concepts that made yesterday's Marvel great and that the company should be building on today. Thor is one of the spokes of the foundational wheel that Marvel is based on, Storm is one of the beneficiaries.

By the way, it sounds like most of your comic histories start with Claremont's Xmen. I recommend Thor Essentials 2 and 3 to give you an idea of why Thor is leading Storm in the balloting 80-20%.

[Varient]

OK, I'll explain again, Thor knows this is the best method, proabably from trying out other stuff.

A master swordsman is someone who only ever needs to do one simple slash. He arrives at this conclusion after years of training and stuff, same goes for Thor..
Okay.
You guys are getting scary with the mechanics of smacking something.

[Varient]

Varient, im all for you sticking up for your character Storm, but some times you make no sense. How can taking away Thors powers make him less of a warrior? He will still have his warrior skills. True he cant go up against Asgardian Trolls or other super-powered threats like he used to, but he can still fight and uses his expierence in war. Besides Thor isnt exactly a small guy, even without his super strength hes still gonna **** alot of peoples day up who are on his level. Give that guy a sledge hammer and see what happens.

Have them both Storm and Thor depowered and see what happens.

Want some show on Thors warrior prowess, indominable will, etc? Like people have said- One word- RAGNAROK.

Eh,... that entire sidebar was after too many "thor-Fans" said that Storm was shallow and boring with nothing going for her period.
It was part of my statements to show how varied and versatel her history has been since she was created and used the fact that she operated FOR YEARS without her super powers and still remained popular as STORM and that thor was simply not THOR without his powers in comparison.

I think I'd buy a comic with that fight,... I've read her easily beating multiples w/o her powers so I figure that Thor would'nt win this w/o getting mussed up.

[Varient]

A lot of my posts are done at work, so I have limited time to complete them, so sorry.

Yes I am to the point, and (when it comes to most comics) literal minded. I didn't 'slam' a character, or you, despite any 'offense' taken. I just said based on my experience (which admittedly is limited compared to many) I find the character dull. Thats my opinion. I have no problem with anyone discussing otherwise, in fact I welcome it. Your post (and the other ones too) were good, I thought 7/10 was a good mark.

What really ticked me off was the offense you took. I didn't call your mother or sleep with your wife, so get over it. Other people in this thread have said the same thing as me and justified it less.

Anyhow, I appreciate the argument, if not the manner it was conducted. Life is too short.
Granted
No heat
Peace.

[Zeu]

my god

If I thought like you did I could just say That Wolverine has no skill because all he does is make a slashing or thrusting motion with his claws. And IronFist has no skill because I've only ever seen him throw one kind of punch and one kind of kick. And Captain America only knows how to throw a straight punch because that;s the only punch the artists know how to draw

you're thinking is flawed

No, see, all the heroes you listed have shown through their long history a vast arroy of techniques and method. They jump, they kick, they block, they sidestep, they target vital organs, they apply pressure point hits.

Thor just swings up and down his hammer 99% of the time. Or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative.

If that´s all he´s been doing for the last 1,000 years, that´s 990 years swinging a hammer up and down (or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative).
Statistically, that means that he only had to actually use his braincells (i.e. technique) in 10 of those 1,000 years

[bkhedr]

Eh,... that entire sidebar was after too many "thor-Fans" said that Storm was shallow and boring with nothing going for her period.
It was part of my statements to show how varied and versatel her history has been since she was created and used the fact that she operated FOR YEARS without her super powers and still remained popular as STORM and that thor was simply not THOR without his powers in comparison.

I think I'd buy a comic with that fight,... I've read her easily beating multiples w/o her powers so I figure that Thor would'nt win this w/o getting mussed up.


See PinnyPed's post. Thor without powers = Conan (kind of) >>> Storm without powers

You telling me Storm without powers could physically keep up with Cap? I dont think so

with all his skills and experience she would (in my opinion) be lucky to hurt him at all. If she could then she'd be one of the best hand ot hand fighters in the MU (which she's not, to my knowledge)

[bkhedr]

No, see, all the heroes you listed have shown through their long history a vast arroy of techniques and method. They jump, they kick, they block, they sidestep, they target vital organs, they apply pressure point hits.

Thor just swings up and down his hammer 99% of the time. Or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative.

If that´s all he´s been doing for the last 1,000 years, that´s 990 years swinging a hammer up and down (or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative).
Statistically, that means that he only had to actually use his braincells (i.e. technique) in 10 of those 1,000 years

I see there's no point in debating with you. You can keep your opinion unchanged (completely flawed though it may be)

[Zeu]

I see there's no point in debating with you. You can keep your opinion unchanged (completely flawed though it may be)

Welcome to the internet.

[bkhedr]

Okay.
You guys are getting scary with the mechanics of smacking something.

blame Zeu for insisting on pushing his warped theory about Thor's skills down our throats

no one sane could take it without replying

[bkhedr]

Welcome to the internet.

See what you've done by replying? You got me going again! :woot:

In your post you mention how Thor spent his existence swinging his hammer with no skill at all.

Well consider that Thor has lead armies into war against armies of Rock Trolls and Ice Giants. Some of the Rock Trolls are close to his strength. Some of the giants exceed his strength. They all have Spears and maces and clubs and swords and arrows made of asgardian metals that can wound and even kill him. And yet he went into battle with them and came out unscathed (killing dozens)

Now what do you think happened? You think he walked up to a bunch of rock trolls with axes and "swung his hammer up and down"
heck no!
if he did he'd be dead!

He is one of the greatest warriors who ever lived. That's why he's still alive. Asgardians go into battle against enemies who can kill them everyday. The prospect of violent death is with them all the time, and in this violent world Thor is aknowledged as the greatest warrior of all.

[bkhedr]

Hi! My first post.

I thought this was settled by Contest of Champions II where the Thor/Storm match is shown to be kind of a joke. Storm hits Thor with a huge blast of weather power and he just shrugs it off. She tries to overpower him through physical strength and he laughs it off. And, it was written by Claremont, who might know something about Storm's limits and has no problem writing strong female characters.

Secondly, Storm has shown in an X-men/Avenger miniseries that she dislikes Thor because he just tells the weather what to do and it does it, unlike her who really has to influence weather patterns and such to make a change in the weather.

Thirdly, Thor without powers. It's happened quite a bit over the character's 45 year history. Here are some highlights:

Thor 145-148 - Thor's powers are removed except his strength which is his birthright, but he still fights Loki, The Wrecker (and beats him) and the Destroyer. In a crossover to Fantastic Four (#66 I believe) a depowered Thor goes toe-to-toe with The Thing.

Thor in the 490's loses his powers and has normal human strength but still manages to defeat an entire gang armed with heavy weaponry while unarmed in a great fight sequence. Depowered Thor then goes on a mission with Captain America and keeps up with Cap athletically as they plow through enemies and jump from rooftop to rooftop in a trip through NYC.

Off the top of my head that's all I can think of, but remember Asgard was full of enemies that were equal or superior to Thor in strength and power. The early Kirby issues show a lot of fighting skill, but then again Kirby was great at drawing fighting scenes.

I like Storm, she's a great supporting character. But, Thor was a Stan Lee creation that introduced, along with the Fantastic Four, many of the cosmic and interdimensional vistas and concepts that made yesterday's Marvel great and that the company should be building on today. Thor is one of the spokes of the foundational wheel that Marvel is based on, Storm is one of the beneficiaries.

By the way, it sounds like most of your comic histories start with Claremont's Xmen. I recommend Thor Essentials 2 and 3 to give you an idea of why Thor is leading Storm in the balloting 80-20%.

welcome to the hype! :yay:

[Zeu]

See what you've done by replying? You got me going again! :woot:

In your post you mention how Thor spent his existence swinging his hammer with no skill at all.

Well consider that Thor has lead armies into war against armies of Rock Trolls and Ice Giants. Some of the Rock Trolls are close to his strength. Some of the giants exceed his strength. They all have Spears and maces and clubs and swords and arrows made of asgardian metals that can wound and even kill him. And yet he went into battle with them and came out unscathed (killing dozens)

Now what do you think happened? You think he walked up to a bunch of rock trolls with axes and "swung his hammer up and down"
heck no!
if he did he'd be dead!

He is one of the greatest warriors who ever lived. That's why he's still alive. Asgardians go into battle against enemies who can kill them everyday. The prospect of violent death is with them all the time, and in this violent world Thor is aknowledged as the greatest warrior of all.

Psshaw!

He has a Plot Device weapon in his hands.

Like I said, it´s like playing Resident Evil with the riocket launcher.
The only real problem when he sees a giant whatever in front of him is deciding what trick to use since (apparently) the hammer can do EVERYTHING.

"- Ooh, a hill giant. Open dmentional portal, throws giant in hell."
"- Oooh, a hill troll. Summons lightning."
"- Oooh, an army of cave trolld. Summons Godblast."
Yawn.

I´m surprised he doesn´t take the hammer to bed too. :D

[bkhedr]

Bah!

you just had read any Thor! :oldrazz:

and Mjolnir can do 'almost' anything. And why not? Its one of the most powerful weapons in the universe. Doesnt make him any less skillful for having it. That's like saying Batman would have no skill if he had a power ring

[The Weather God]

Why wouldnt I? The Avengers are marvel's premier super hero team. The X-men are more popular with the fans. These are facts and you cant dispute them. Because both teams have acomplished alot in the past and i seriously believe that x-men have done just as much or even more then avengers, especially seeing that the phoenix (one of the most powerful entitys in comic book history) was an obsticals in their path. Just because it's the premier doesen't necessarily make it a better team. So yes it can still be disputed of which team is better.

Versatility and range arent the same thing But it's her Versatility in which would be the key in devastating the earth, and you also must not know of her ranges in powers.

See PinnyPed's post. Thor without powers = Conan (kind of) >>> Storm without powers

You telling me Storm without powers could physically keep up with Cap? I dont think so

with all his skills and experience she would (in my opinion) be lucky to hurt him at all. If she could then she'd be one of the best hand ot hand fighters in the MU (which she's not, to my knowledge)

Sorry but captain america is a super human so he still haves a slight advantage toward her. Still captain america was dead for a very long time before he came back, so he is no more experienced then storm in fightning or war.

[Zeu]

Bah!

you just had read any Thor! :oldrazz:



OMG!
He does, doesn´t he?

Bah!
and Mjolnir can do 'almost' anything. And why not? Its one of the most powerful weapons in the universe. Doesnt make him any less skillful for having it. That's like saying Batman would have no skill if he had a power ring


Considering that he has to take pointers from everyone, from Captain Amercia to Wasp, yeah, I question his 1,000 years skills.

[bkhedr]

OMG!
He does, doesn´t he?

you know what I mean smartass!:woot:



Considering that he has to take pointers from everyone, from Captain Amercia to Wasp, yeah, I question his 1,000 years skills.

Havent seen it for myself. And if its true then its just horrendous writing

[Ahura Mazda]

This is a ridiculous thread, if it was a battle thor destroys Storm whereas in poularity depending on demographics it can go eith way.

With regrad to warrior skills, if Thor was portrayed to his true potential would any of the other Avengers been of any use? Of course he takes pointers from the 'leader' even though he is a leader of great armies in his own right. Otherwise it would not have been the avengers but Thor and freinds.

[bkhedr]

Because both teams have acomplished alot in the past and i seriously believe that x-men have done just as much or even more then avengers, especially seeing that the phoenix (one of the most powerful entitys in comic book history) was an obsticals in their path. Just because it's the premier doesen't necessarily make it a better team. So yes it can still be disputed of which team is better.

I'm not saying the Avengers have accomplished more, or are a better team. (though I think they have) I am saying that if the world is in peril and super heroes are needed. They pick up the phone and call the Avengers, not the X-men. I am saying that heroes everywhere dream of one day being Avengers more so than they dream about being X-men. I think you'd agree with me there.

But it's her Versatility in which would be the key in devastating the earth, and you also must not know of her ranges in powers.

I could be wrong but I thought she needed to feel the weather and coerce it into obeying her bidding. If this is true I dont see how she could manipulate the weather in lets say Australia from Xavier's lawn. That's what I mean by range and that's why I dont think she can devastate the world. A city? sure.



Sorry but captain america is a super human so he still haves a slight advantage toward her. Still captain america was dead for a very long time before he came back, so he is no more experienced then storm in fightning or war.

Captain America is peak human and dude he fought how many battles in world war 2? Real War. Ugly War. Stuff Storm better pray to god she never sees. Please dont tell me her experience equals Caps, its just not true.

[Cyclops]

Let's not forget that Thor has actually been worshipped over time. The only worshipping Storm gets is from fanboys and certain creators. :)

In the historical sense, Thor's more popular.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Hi! My first post.

I thought this was settled by Contest of Champions II where the Thor/Storm match is shown to be kind of a joke. Storm hits Thor with a huge blast of weather power and he just shrugs it off. She tries to overpower him through physical strength and he laughs it off. And, it was written by Claremont, who might know something about Storm's limits and has no problem writing strong female characters.

Secondly, Storm has shown in an X-men/Avenger miniseries that she dislikes Thor because he just tells the weather what to do and it does it, unlike her who really has to influence weather patterns and such to make a change in the weather.

Thirdly, Thor without powers. It's happened quite a bit over the character's 45 year history. Here are some highlights:

Thor 145-148 - Thor's powers are removed except his strength which is his birthright, but he still fights Loki, The Wrecker (and beats him) and the Destroyer. In a crossover to Fantastic Four (#66 I believe) a depowered Thor goes toe-to-toe with The Thing.

Thor in the 490's loses his powers and has normal human strength but still manages to defeat an entire gang armed with heavy weaponry while unarmed in a great fight sequence. Depowered Thor then goes on a mission with Captain America and keeps up with Cap athletically as they plow through enemies and jump from rooftop to rooftop in a trip through NYC.

Off the top of my head that's all I can think of, but remember Asgard was full of enemies that were equal or superior to Thor in strength and power. The early Kirby issues show a lot of fighting skill, but then again Kirby was great at drawing fighting scenes.

I like Storm, she's a great supporting character. But, Thor was a Stan Lee creation that introduced, along with the Fantastic Four, many of the cosmic and interdimensional vistas and concepts that made yesterday's Marvel great and that the company should be building on today. Thor is one of the spokes of the foundational wheel that Marvel is based on, Storm is one of the beneficiaries.

By the way, it sounds like most of your comic histories start with Claremont's Xmen. I recommend Thor Essentials 2 and 3 to give you an idea of why Thor is leading Storm in the balloting 80-20%.

Welcome to the hype, and a great first post.

[Silicon Surfer]

Let's not forget that Thor has actually been worshipped over time. The only worshipping Storm gets is from fanboys and certain creators. :)

In the historical sense, Thor's more popular.

The people of the serengeti also worshipped Storm as a goddess. She took care of their weather needs.

[bkhedr]

But she's not an actual goddess

[Silicon Surfer]

But she is still probably worshipped and with a potential for poweful magic use who knows whether that might not have the potential for turning her into a real goddess under the right circumstances. It might make an interesting plot line. Storm starts to become the goddess she once almost allowed herself to believe she was but also faces the memory of the power of the Phoenix and its effect on Jean. She then questions whether she should continue and become a goddess or reject the power and remain mortal.

[javon]

But she's not an actual goddess
Yes but she was still worshipped nontheless :woot: . And hey, with the stuff she's shown, I wouldn't doubt it at all :cwink: .
Orignally posted by Cyclops
The only worshipping Storm gets is from fanboys and certain creators.
And an entire village :whatever: .

[The Weather God]

Captain America is peak human and dude he fought how many battles in world war 2? Real War. Ugly War. Stuff Storm better pray to god she never sees. Please dont tell me her experience equals Caps, its just not true.

Umm how many times have magneto started a war with humans? Only difference is mutants are alot stronger then gunfire and missles. They can also do alot more damage so you cannot sit there and say the wars in the x-men comics are nothing compared to real wars.:whatever:

I'm not saying the Avengers have accomplished more, or are a better team. (though I think they have) I am saying that if the world is in peril and super heroes are needed. They pick up the phone and call the Avengers, not the X-men. I am saying that heroes everywhere dream of one day being Avengers more so than they dream about being X-men. I think you'd agree with me there.

And this makes thor a better leader how, when both teams are just as good, my point was storm lead the x-men without her powers and have proven that she is a worthy leader.

I could be wrong but I thought she needed to feel the weather and coerce it into obeying her bidding. If this is true I dont see how she could manipulate the weather in lets say Australia from Xavier's lawn. That's what I mean by range and that's why I dont think she can devastate the world. A city? sure.

Storm can sense and feel the gravitational pull of the moon so that proves that her range of power goes far enough to reach Australia.:yay:

[Cyclops]

The people of the serengeti also worshipped Storm as a goddess. She took care of their weather needs.

Um.... are you confusing comicbooks with the real world? Thor is an actual figure from Norse mythology. He was worshipped by vikings and is still worshipped by some today.

:huh: :huh: :huh:

[ssj wolverine]

You have to wonder if people voted for Storm because they felt sorry for her.

[The Weather God]

You have to wonder if people voted for Storm because they felt sorry for her.

That is not in my case:yay:

[Zeu]

You have to wonder if people voted for Storm because they felt sorry for her.

Or maybe they took the time to actually read the first post.

[gambitfire]

Wow reading this thread Thor comes of as such a perfect character, I know he's a god and that is where to me he loses appeal.

His greatness (is obviously written) but makes him all the too perfect.

I just don't like characters with a god complex or in this case a god.

It's really hard as a fan to relate to them.

Storm on the other hands represents so much one can relate too.

Not just the minority issue but her personality, her strenght as a woman (those who don't see it clearly don't know alot about Storm) and even her tendure moments of weakness.

Besides she's the reason the X's got themselve a Cajun so you know i love her. :p

[gambitfire]

You have to wonder if people voted for Storm because they felt sorry for her.

i have to wonder if your brain is as small as a walnut. j/k :p

I never took this as a fighting contest since the creator CLEARLY STATED IT WASN'T!!

So i have my good reason for giving it too Storm.

What is it with god like superheroes and there hardcore worshiping fans? Is it a god like ego thing? :o ...........................that was mean my bad :D

[Mr. Green]

But she is still probably worshipped and with a potential for poweful magic use who knows whether that might not have the potential for turning her into a real goddess under the right circumstances. It might make an interesting plot line. Storm starts to become the goddess she once almost allowed herself to believe she was but also faces the memory of the power of the Phoenix and its effect on Jean. She then questions whether she should continue and become a goddess or reject the power and remain mortal.
Uh... what the hell are you talking about?

[Varient]

Uh... what the hell are you talking about?
Okay.

Storms mother was considered a sorceress, even though not one comic displayed any kind of ability. Her father married a woman who had run away from her home to avoid some serious responsibility never explained - for love.
They lived for a bit in America,.. but the rampant racism of America had the wife beg their husband to move back to africa. So they did, only to be killed in a freak aircrash leaving Storm an orphan.

Years later now a young woman coming into her mutant powers, Storm was worshiped by the people of the plains near mt kilmonjaro because she took on the role of a goddess who brought the rain, protected the people, meted out justice etc,...

When Xaiver showed up he convinced her to join the Xmen.


After many adventures that emphasized her powers and abilities along mutant lines,.. The Xmen were dragged into Limbo where they met alternates of their future selves,.. one of them was a much older Storm,.. who when her weather manip powers powers had started to wane discovered that she had other abilities like Magic along the lines of a Loki or Dr. Strange, (I say it like this because the power was in her like Loki,.. but had to be learned like Strange.) This arc explored the fact that if Storm had NOT learned to or discovered her mutant abilities that she would've been a magic-caster instead.

Later on just prior to her wedding to the BP,.. she went back where her mother was from and found out she was the latest in an unbroken chain of African magic users. She met her Grandmother and got the scoop on what she was and where she came from.


So,.... Ororo Monroe,.. if she were inclinded to combine her abilities at their fullest could at the least meet ALL THE DEFINITIONS CURRENTLY POSTED IN THE 616 UNIVERSE OF A "GOD"
Future stories of the X-men have touched on her taking her mutant powers to their maximum and becoming an immortal force of nature.

I hope that answers your question.

[Silicon Surfer]

She already knew about her magical ancestry since she met one of her distant ancestors once although I can't recall which story it was in.

[Mr. Green]

So,.... Ororo Monroe,.. if she were inclinded to combine her abilities at their fullest could at the least meet ALL THE DEFINITIONS CURRENTLY POSTED IN THE 616 UNIVERSE OF A "GOD"
Future stories of the X-men have touched on her taking her mutant powers to their maximum and becoming an immortal force of nature.

I hope that answers your question.
Okay, I got it.

But there is no telling how well she will ever be able to use her magic.

Unless she can get her powers beyond that of even Loki, Thor would still kick her ass pretty thoroughly.

[Crowforge]

Storm lost her powers and still lead the xmen. If storm put her mind to it she could beat thor and cap (I seriously doubt even cap could dodge lightning), though it probably take years and pulling in a few favors to beat thor.

[bkhedr]

Storm lost her powers and still lead the xmen. If storm put her mind to it she could beat thor and cap (I seriously doubt even cap could dodge lightning), though it probably take years and pulling in a few favors to beat thor.

:huh:

She couldnt touch Thor. couldnt touch him. Cap cant dodge lighting. That's true. She would beat Cap

The difference between Storm fighitng Cap and Storm fighting Thor is that if she fought Thor she'd be the one having to dodge lightning

[bkhedr]

Umm how many times have magneto started a war with humans? Only difference is mutants are alot stronger then gunfire and missles. They can also do alot more damage so you cannot sit there and say the wars in the x-men comics are nothing compared to real wars.:whatever:

Dude WORLD WAR II. Four years of death and destruction on a global scale. Concentration camps. 60 million (approx) dead. I am a history major who wrote his thesis on world war II. Dont compare Magneto's wars to World War II. Please dont let your homerism degenerate into full blown ignorance.

In fact I would like to see some of the other Storm fans' take on this. Anyone of you think Storm has as much experience with war as Captain America?



And this makes thor a better leader how, when both teams are just as good, my point was storm lead the x-men without her powers and have proven that she is a worthy leader.

Difference is Thor has been a leader for thousands of years. That and that alone is why I think he's a better leader. And even if he isnt I'm ok with it.



Storm can sense and feel the gravitational pull of the moon so that proves that her range of power goes far enough to reach Australia.:yay:

Immpresive, but it still doesnt mean that she can manipulate weather on a global scale. By her own admission she has to empathize with the weather and coerce it to do her bidding. (again I could be wrong) But to me that means she cant start thunder storms in a place where she's not.

[bkhedr]

Okay.

Storms mother was considered a sorceress, even though not one comic displayed any kind of ability. Her father married a woman who had run away from her home to avoid some serious responsibility never explained - for love.
They lived for a bit in America,.. but the rampant racism of America had the wife beg their husband to move back to africa. So they did, only to be killed in a freak aircrash leaving Storm an orphan.

Years later now a young woman coming into her mutant powers, Storm was worshiped by the people of the plains near mt kilmonjaro because she took on the role of a goddess who brought the rain, protected the people, meted out justice etc,...

When Xaiver showed up he convinced her to join the Xmen.


After many adventures that emphasized her powers and abilities along mutant lines,.. The Xmen were dragged into Limbo where they met alternates of their future selves,.. one of them was a much older Storm,.. who when her weather manip powers powers had started to wane discovered that she had other abilities like Magic along the lines of a Loki or Dr. Strange, (I say it like this because the power was in her like Loki,.. but had to be learned like Strange.) This arc explored the fact that if Storm had NOT learned to or discovered her mutant abilities that she would've been a magic-caster instead.

Later on just prior to her wedding to the BP,.. she went back where her mother was from and found out she was the latest in an unbroken chain of African magic users. She met her Grandmother and got the scoop on what she was and where she came from.


So,.... Ororo Monroe,.. if she were inclinded to combine her abilities at their fullest could at the least meet ALL THE DEFINITIONS CURRENTLY POSTED IN THE 616 UNIVERSE OF A "GOD"
Future stories of the X-men have touched on her taking her mutant powers to their maximum and becoming an immortal force of nature.

I hope that answers your question.

Very good post but it has nothing to do with your conclusion.

how exatctly would she meet all the definitions currently posted in the 616 universe of a god?

Is she immortal? Is she the offspring of a god or goddess? Is she a weather goddess?

No

All you've proven is what we already knew. She's a mutant who can manipulate the weather and could, if she were inclined to do so, become an adept magic user. Oh and she was worshipped by a village of africans, not because she's a goddess, but because they dont know what mutants are.

None of that makes her a goddess

Heck by your logic Silverclaw is more of a goddess. At least her mother was a goddess.

[Silicon Surfer]

She probably can generate weather effects in other places on the planet but I would think that the task would take more time and concentration to sort through all the intermediary weather between her and her target. She would also have to work out how to shift all the intermediary weather to get what she wants in what would be a huge puzzle. It would probably take everything she has power and intellect wise to do it even briefly. She has said that when she changes the weather she is affecting weather patterns all over the planet.

[Varient]

Very good post but it has nothing to do with your conclusion.

how exatctly would she meet all the definitions currently posted in the 616 universe of a god?

Is she immortal? Is she the offspring of a god or goddess? Is she a weather goddess?

No

All you've proven is what we already knew. She's a mutant who can manipulate the weather and could, if she were inclined to do so, become an adept magic user. Oh and she was worshipped by a village of africans, not because she's a goddess, but because they dont know what mutants are.

None of that makes her a goddess

Heck by your logic Silverclaw is more of a goddess. At least her mother was a goddess.Sorry,...
But Marvel Canon defines Gods by everything I covered.
By Marvels viewpoint Hercules is "more" of a God than Thor because he doesn't require a piece of fruit every few thousand years to maintain his Immortality,...
Yet Technically Herc is a Demi-God,.. His Mom was Human.
Thor Technically is a "Demi-God" because his Mom was not asgardian.
SilverClaw technically is a Demi-God because her Mom was a God.
The Eternals (Thanos anyone) Were considered Gods but with the exception of thanos rejects the title,

God in Marvel is technically "HigherBeing who is worshiped by Humans. Higher as being defined as being in some way superior across the board.

Look at Thanos Again.
His "race" was the result of tinkering by other aliens who were just "passing through."

Yet he has been known as "The Mad God of Titan" and in his short before last actually took over as "God" to save the universe.

For Storm Immortality is only as Far away as her getting a clue and concentrating either facet of her being.

Godlike power? We know she has that ability by the stuff she's done in space and to a smaller degree whenever she COMPLETLY loses control of her emotions.

Before we make "definative statements" about who is a God and who isn't,.. we are going to lay down some ground rules about what one is.

I wouldn't consider the beings that Walter / sasquatch gains his powers from,... As Gods - but by Marvel definitions they are. Same with SnowBird.

[bkhedr]

Sorry,...
But Marvel Canon defines Gods by everything I covered.
By Marvels viewpoint Hercules is "more" of a God than Thor because he doesn't require a piece of fruit every few thousand years to maintain his Immortality,...
Yet Technically Herc is a Demi-God,.. His Mom was Human.
Thor Technically is a "Demi-God" because his Mom was not asgardian.
SilverClaw technically is a Demi-God because her Mom was a God.
The Eternals (Thanos anyone) Were considered Gods but with the exception of thanos rejects the title,

So what do Hercules, Thanos and the Eternals have to do with Storm? Absolutely nothing. What do they have in common with her? Absolutely nothing

God in Marvel is technically "HigherBeing who is worshiped by Humans. Higher as being defined as being in some way superior across the board.

And Storm is a higherbeing why now? Because she's mutant? Because he mother was a witch?

Look at Thanos Again.
His "race" was the result of tinkering by other aliens who were just "passing through."

Yet he has been known as "The Mad God of Titan" and in his short before last actually took over as "God" to save the universe.

Just because he is known as a mad god doesnt make him an actual god. See this is what I am talking about. Just because some villagers call storm a goddess doesnt make her a goddess. And when Thanos took over as God it was because he became one with the heart of the universe and literaly became god. Anyone who fused with the heart would become god. What this has to do with Storm I dont know

For Storm Immortality is only as Far away as her getting a clue and concentrating either facet of her being.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Oooh if i concentrate hard enough on my mutant power I will become a weather goddess. Oooh If i concentrate hard enough on learning some magic spells I will become a goddess. Puh-leaze

Godlike power? We know she has that ability by the stuff she's done in space and to a smaller degree whenever she COMPLETLY loses control of her emotions.

She is a mutant who manipulates the weather. She has to coerce it to do her bidding. Thor is a god. He tells it what to do and it obeys because he is its patron god. Do you understand the difference? That difference is godlike power.

Before we make "definative statements" about who is a God and who isn't,.. we are going to lay down some ground rules about what one is.

I wouldn't consider the beings that Walter / sasquatch gains his powers from,... As Gods - but by Marvel definitions they are. Same with SnowBird.

As usual you ignore everything in my posts that squashes yours and keep pushing on with your argument

And what is your argument?

Basically what you are telling me is that you are totaly determined to argue for Storm's godhood even if that means nitpicking over the definition of a god just to prove your point?


You are like a child who wont take no for an answer and keeps saying the same thing in different ways hoping to fool the adult he's talking to.

Well I'm not fooled. But it's obvious that there is no point in continuing this argument because you will just bring up how Thor's mother is not a goddess hence making him a demi-god while ignoring my statement about how Storm is not a goddess because both her parents are mere mortal humans.

And by the way Thor's mother is not an asgardian but she is a goddess. He is not a demi-god

[Varient]

As usual you ignore everything in my posts that squashes yours and keep pushing on with your argument

And what is your argument?

Basically what you are telling me is that you are totaly determined to argue for Storm's godhood even if that means nitpicking over the definition of a god just to prove your point?

Ok. Then there's no point in arguing

And by the way Thor's mother is a goddess. He is not a demi-god
"as Usual?"


This convo is over.

Have a nice day.

[Varient]

As usual you ignore everything in my posts that squashes yours and keep pushing on with your argument

And what is your argument?

Basically what you are telling me is that you are totaly determined to argue for Storm's godhood even if that means nitpicking over the definition of a god just to prove your point?

Ok. Then there's no point in arguing

And by the way Thor's mother is a goddess. He is not a demi-god
No,..
I'm going to Rub your FACE in how unfair your statement was - THEN I'm going to go elsewhere.

IN YOUR POST TO ME THAT i ANSWERED - AT THE TOP U ASKED:

"how exatctly would she meet all the definitions currently posted in the 616 universe of a god?"

I TOOK THE TIME TO EXPLAIN HOW AND GAVE EXAMPLES AND YOU COME BACK WITH:

"As usual you ignore everything in my posts that squashes yours and keep pushing on with your argument"


LATER FOR YOU

[bkhedr]

so childish

oh well

when you feel like you are up for more a verbal spanking you can go back and read my post. I've edited it for your dismayal

and when you do read it keep in mind that you and the others have successfully convinced me that Storm is a more complete and interesting character then I had originally given her credit for and I would be up for reaing some of the best stories about her (granted when I asked the Storm fans for suggestsions no one seemed to have any) but your incessant determination to prove her godhood is something I just cant accept

[Varient]

so childish

oh well

when you feel like you are up for more a verbal spanking you can go back and read my post. I've edited it for your dismayal

and when you do read it keep in mind that you and the others have successfully convinced me that Storm is a more complete and interesting character then I had originally given her credit for and I would be up for reaing some of the best stories about her (granted when I asked the Storm fans for suggestsions no one seemed to have any) but your incessant determination to prove her godhood is something I just cant accept
SMH.
I'm childish because I don't appreciate you requesting an explanation, labeling my explanation as "ignoring what you said" and then SHOWING YOU what I responded to.

No verbal spanking occured,.. you misinterpreted the information provided and showed a lack of maturity twice,.. first by labeling my response with "like usual" and then this one with "SO childish".

Understand that I really don't tolerate too much abuse in this fashion from folk who appear brave behind a keyboard. Maturity is realizing that even though there is no harsh penalty for being an azz, the effort should be made to remain civil unless provoked.

You failed that here.

HAND = HAVE A NICE DAY.

[bkhedr]

chill dude

dont take it personally

if we are done discussing the topic then I have no problem with you at all. And if i offended you then I apologize

*hands peace pipe*

smokey smokey?

[Mr. Green]

Sorry,...
But Marvel Canon defines Gods by everything I covered.
By Marvels viewpoint Hercules is "more" of a God than Thor because he doesn't require a piece of fruit every few thousand years to maintain his Immortality,...
Yet Technically Herc is a Demi-God,.. His Mom was Human.
Thor Technically is a "Demi-God" because his Mom was not asgardian.
SilverClaw technically is a Demi-God because her Mom was a God.
The Eternals (Thanos anyone) Were considered Gods but with the exception of thanos rejects the title,

God in Marvel is technically "HigherBeing who is worshiped by Humans. Higher as being defined as being in some way superior across the board.

Look at Thanos Again.
His "race" was the result of tinkering by other aliens who were just "passing through."

Yet he has been known as "The Mad God of Titan" and in his short before last actually took over as "God" to save the universe.

For Storm Immortality is only as Far away as her getting a clue and concentrating either facet of her being.

Godlike power? We know she has that ability by the stuff she's done in space and to a smaller degree whenever she COMPLETLY loses control of her emotions.

Before we make "definative statements" about who is a God and who isn't,.. we are going to lay down some ground rules about what one is.

I wouldn't consider the beings that Walter / sasquatch gains his powers from,... As Gods - but by Marvel definitions they are. Same with SnowBird.
Well, what you're saying is that if someone with powers has someone worshipping them, then they are a god.

I just don't think it works quite like that. The fact that Thanos rejects the title of god should clue you in that he isn't a god, and powers or people worshipping him will not change that.

If people worship Storm for being a mutant, that doesn't make her a godess, it makes her a mutant with a bunch of stupid followers who THINK that she is a godess.

Likewise with the Eternals. By your own admission there is nothing Godlike about them, but people thought they were Gods. Okay, that doesn't mean they suddenly ARE gods.

Can you see what I'm saying?

[Silicon Surfer]

Thors mother was the elder goddess Gaea/Jord which if anything makes him more of a god than the other Asgardians. Worship is power in the MU.There is a bond between a mystic being and its worshippers. This is why so many mystic beings lend their powers to sorcerors such as Strange, the use of their powers and the belief that it creates strengthens the endowing entity. The strengthening effect is why Strange no longer calls on Dormammu for power. Storm is not a goddess currently but it might be that the interaction between elemental power,sorcerous ability and worship could have transformational potential.

[Cyrusbales]

Did someone ACTUALLY think Storm had a greater reach of power? THOR is a god, he can control things all over the world at once, he can control things in asgard, does storm? no, she can control thing in one(quite large area), but no-where near a whole planet. please, this is silly, yes you may like her more(god knows why!), but there is no believing her powers come close to Thor in any way

[Varient]

Did someone ACTUALLY think Storm had a greater reach of power? THOR is a god, he can control things all over the world at once, he can control things in asgard, does storm? no, she can control thing in one(quite large area), but no-where near a whole planet. please, this is silly, yes you may like her more(god knows why!), but there is no believing her powers come close to Thor in any way
I guess it comes down to who you read.

I've NEVER read Thor Starting a weather phenom in Asgard while sitting in front of a TV in New York,.. I've Never read of him Controling the weather of the planet from one place.

Storm has manipulated the heart of a galaxy, Thor has not. Storm rants about the balancing act she must pull to get her desired results,... She admits that it is WORK to keep it localized,... NO ONE has written her just "cutting loose" w/o a concern for the intervening space between her and her target,.. her middle name is "control"

I've yet to read ANYBODY here say that she can Beat THOR in a dust up,.. NO ONE HERE has said she is close to Thors power level,...

Yet you guys keep coming back with this mess.

Just ONCE - I'd like a comic where she doesn't give a crap and decides to fly to mars.

Based on Canon and what she has done before,.. she could do such,... and do a hellava lot of damage just leaving earth.

Not as neat a tidy as the ThunderGod, anything she does outside of her self-imposed limits causes damage.

WE REALLY DON"T KNOW HER LIMITS,... I take that back,... On the Complete control part,.. she can't handle more land area than a small continent. If she doesn't care,.. stuff gets ugly fast.



In the same vein,... Just once I want Thor to say,.... Make it SNOW all over the planet at once,.... or Do some of the established storm feats.

If Storm can control the solar winds,... Lets see Thor thump that hammer trice and move that stuff around,.... If he can control a galaxy,... have him Move the Skrull's and the Kree just a lil bit further away.

See we are arguing apples and oranges simply because even though it's accepted by all that Storm is NOT going to beat Thor in a fight,.. that's NOT ENOUGH for the Thor fans.

We need to let this go.

[javon]

I guess it comes down to who you read.

I've NEVER read Thor Starting a weather phenom in Asgard while sitting in front of a TV in New York,.. I've Never read of him Controling the weather of the planet from one place.

Storm has manipulated the heart of a galaxy, Thor has not. Storm rants about the balancing act she must pull to get her desired results,... She admits that it is WORK to keep it localized,... NO ONE has written her just "cutting loose" w/o a concern for the intervening space between her and her target,.. her middle name is "control"

I've yet to read ANYBODY here say that she can Beat THOR in a dust up,.. NO ONE HERE has said she is close to Thors power level,...

Yet you guys keep coming back with this mess.

Just ONCE - I'd like a comic where she doesn't give a crap and decides to fly to mars.

Based on Canon and what she has done before,.. she could do such,... and do a hellava lot of damage just leaving earth.

Not as neat a tidy as the ThunderGod, anything she does outside of her self-imposed limits causes damage.

WE REALLY DON"T KNOW HER LIMITS,... I take that back,... On the Complete control part,.. she can't handle more land area than a small continent. If she doesn't care,.. stuff gets ugly fast.



In the same vein,... Just once I want Thor to say,.... Make it SNOW all over the planet at once,.... or Do some of the established storm feats.

If Storm can control the solar winds,... Lets see Thor thump that hammer trice and move that stuff around,.... If he can control a galaxy,... have him Move the Skrull's and the Kree just a lil bit further away.

See we are arguing apples and oranges simply because even though it's accepted by all that Storm is NOT going to beat Thor in a fight,.. that's NOT ENOUGH for the Thor fans.

We need to let this go.
:yay: I've fallin' in love with you from just a few posts :woot: .

[Cyrusbales]

I'm a Thor fan(moe than storm at least), and I don't see how storm comes close to Thor's power, but that's enough for me, this thread was set up as more of a popularity thing, i was just curious about the poll results outcome.

Btw, thanks for an intelligent post, I believe there is a comic where Thor creates a worldwide storm(reference anyone?), and I know he has teleported stuff lightyears through space as well as fired massive bolts of lightning energy across space.

I haven't seen a great deal of storms superior powers, not sure about the whole space thing, but I do concieve that storm is more powerful than some give credit, although it does take a lot out of her, character wise though, I hate storm, I like her powers and stuff, but I find her character on the pages to be really dull. But I fully understand that it's just opinion, but I wanted to see who people in general prefered, and I thought it would be Thor as he's more central and a bigger player in the universe of marvel since he was created

[gambitfire]

I still don't see why the arguing of power is going on. I love Storm more as a character and think she is a much better one but Thor can wipe the floor with her. :p

Oh wait it was arguing over what is a "god". :D

It's a creature whose greater power matches it's ego..............................:) :p

[The Weather God]

Dude WORLD WAR II. Four years of death and destruction on a global scale. Concentration camps. 60 million (approx) dead. I am a history major who wrote his thesis on world war II. Dont compare Magneto's wars to World War II. Please dont let your homerism degenerate into full blown ignorance.

In fact I would like to see some of the other Storm fans' take on this. Anyone of you think Storm has as much experience with war as Captain America?
I believe your ignorance that captain america is so more experience is so blind that you fail to realise what the hell the x-men have been fighting for since the day they first started war with anyone. Magneto is not the only person that the x-men have war'd with. What about the phoenix? someone that could destroy the planet in one blast is just an example. Your telling me that a world war haves anything on that?:huh: Come Off it:whatever:
Difference is Thor has been a leader for thousands of years. That and that alone is why I think he's a better leader. And even if he isnt I'm ok with it.

Doesen't matter how long of a leader he's been, makes him no better leader then what storm is, especially since someone mentioned that his leader skill aren't the best.

Immpresive, but it still doesnt mean that she can manipulate weather on a global scale. By her own admission she has to empathize with the weather and coerce it to do her bidding. (again I could be wrong) But to me that means she cant start thunder storms in a place where she's not.
It proves that her powers reaches beyond a global scale and she should be able to minipulate weather across the planet. She can also feel the entire planet so she should definitly be able to minipulate on a global scale, only problem is nothing has given her a reason too.:yay: Simple as that

It's been fun but this is really beginning to become pointless, just except the fact that not everyone likes thor the best or consider him a better character. It's all about opinion and if we think storm is better then let it be. Trying to prove in fact is completly pointless and a waste of time because at the end of the day, my opinion will remain the same.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I believe your ignorance that captain america is so more experience is so blind that you fail to realise what the hell the x-men have been fighting for since the day they first started war with anyone. Magneto is not the only person that the x-men have war'd with. What about the phoenix? someone that could destroy the planet in one blast is just an example. Your telling me that a world war haves anything on that?:huh: Come Off it:whatever:
Your signature kind of has me thinking there's bias in your statements, but I'll just assume you have none, and continue forth.

Ignorance is slightly null and void to label against B there. Captain America's experience in WW2 WOULD be a LITTLE bit more severe, since his actions were day to day to day to day to day in situations that were more or less held against him. Storm didn't do the whole daily basis against people who COULD overwhelm her. Most of the time, she wasn't doing much other than what needed to be done in her life (thinking, creating, developing, stuff like that.) Where Cap was constantly in split second decisions, and extreme odds. So, if you want to compare who has more experience as someone who's been in combatative situations, Cap's battle count during WW2 will far outweight Storm's. As his battles are much more "severe" in actual aspect.

Severity wise? And in ratio? They've actually kind of dealt with similar problems. You kind of left out the whole the Avenger's have faced Galactus bit, but left in that the X-Men dealt with the Phoenix. Can't go around doing that, as it creates a biased image. Hell, they've both faced the Beyonder, so they've gone toe to toe with the greatest of the great. And the Avengers have faced the Defenders, so that's kind of a feat all on it's own. Alien races, the Kree Skrull war, the Kree Shiar war, things like that. The X-Men have done it too, so it's not like the Avengers are somehow second rate on that. And that goes DOUBLE for their characters. In that category, it all boils back down to personal triumphs and such. Personal tragedies and the like. Well, look at it this way, twice has Storm been held as royalty, at least. Cap seems to always be in the trenches doing dirty ass work on his own, only so much above the human level, where Storm has elements at her control. So the experience shift is actually quite different.


Doesen't matter how long of a leader he's been, makes him no better leader then what storm is, especially since someone mentioned that his leader skill aren't the best.

This I will agree on. Easily. Leadership skills aren't solely dependent on time spent in a leadership role. It drastically helps, but doesn't always determine.


It proves that her powers reaches beyond a global scale and she should be able to minipulate weather across the planet. She can also feel the entire planet so she should definitly be able to minipulate on a global scale, only problem is nothing has given her a reason too.:yay: Simple as that

Well, it's not so much that she's never had a reason to, as much as she's never had the desperation to. She's capable, but no event has ever really required her to push THAT hard. The Silver Surfer can potentially destroy several solar systems all at once, doesn't mean he goes around and burns that sort of energy for kicks, it would be a desperation move.

[Dr. Fate]

Gonna have to go with Thor on this one.

[Crowforge]

:huh:

She couldnt touch Thor. couldnt touch him. Cap cant dodge lighting. That's true. She would beat Cap

The difference between Storm fighitng Cap and Storm fighting Thor is that if she fought Thor she'd be the one having to dodge lightning

Storm is immune to lightning, she could call down a hurricane on Thor and batter, fry, and freeze him at the same time from outside the range that he'd pose a threat to her (probably from the other side of the planet if she knew where he was, and was so inclined).

[Silicon Surfer]

Storm is only immune to lightning that is under her control and even then she has an upper limit, Thor is totally immune to lightning regardless of amplitude or who is controlling it. Thor has withstood the absolute zero and vacuum of deep space so no cold that Storm can call down would even be noticed. Lastly if Thor was in control of the local weather Storms elemental powers would not function at all since Thors control has been stated to be stronger.

[Varient]

?
why r u guys still talking about a fight between the two?

[Crowforge]

because we're dorks
You wouldn't need to control the weather localy and if you have proof of thor's immunity to lightning you should go update wikipedia.

[bkhedr]

because we're dorks
You wouldn't need to control the weather localy and if you have proof of thor's immunity to lightning you should go update wikipedia.

lol
in any case Mjolnir is the trump card. He throws it, it never misses, it turns Storm's head into red mist.

[bkhedr]

I believe your ignorance that captain america is so more experience is so blind that you fail to realise what the hell the x-men have been fighting for since the day they first started war with anyone. Magneto is not the only person that the x-men have war'd with. What about the phoenix? someone that could destroy the planet in one blast is just an example. Your telling me that a world war haves anything on that?:huh: Come Off it:whatever:


60 million dead. That's what? 12 times the entire population of Genosha?

Entire cities firebombed into ashes.

5 million people starved/worked to death in concentration camps

And Cap was in the middle of that s**t. Not flying in the air and manipulating the weather. On the ground, in the trenches, getting shot at, every bullet coming at him could be the one that killed him.

And i'm not even talking about all the Avengers have been through (keep in mind that he was leading the Avengers before Storm was even invited to join the X-men)

Is his experience more visceral and intense than Storm's? A thousand times more.

[Silicon Surfer]

He mentions his immunity to electricity in a battle aboard the Celestial mothership when his foe yanks loose a cable or something that is carrying a massive electrical current. He withstands it without harm and considering the amount of juice a Celestial craft would be using the current must have been truly massive. That is the only occasion that I can specifically recall although I am sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere. As to the scale of battles in which Storm and Captain America have been involved I believe that the Battles in which the X-Men have been involved are signifiacantly greater than any Cap has been involved in. The X-Men were involved in huge battles against multitudes of superhuman warriors on Arkons world, battles in the Shiar Empire, and the battle on Broodworld that destroyed the entire world. Even World War II doesn't compare to that and Cap saw only a small part of that war and didn't make it to the end.

[bkhedr]

He mentions his immunity to electricity in a battle aboard the Celestial mothership when his foe yanks loose a cable or something that is carrying a massive electrical current. He withstands it without harm and considering the amount of juice a Celestial craft would be using the current must have been truly massive. That is the only occasion that I can specifically recall although I am sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere. As to the scale of battles in which Storm and Captain America have been involved I believe that the Battles in which the X-Men have been involved are signifiacantly greater than any Cap has been involved in. The X-Men were involved in huge battles against multitudes of superhuman warriors on Arkons world, battles in the Shiar Empire, and the battle on Broodworld that destroyed the entire world. Even World War II doesn't compare to that and Cap saw only a small part of that war and didn't make it to the end.

Cap and the Avengers were there (along with the X-men) when Genosha got ugly, they were on the front lines (Bloodties)

They were there when Ultron slaughtered the population of slorenia and turned them all into zombified drones to support his metallic horde (Ultron unlimited). In that instance the Avengers were the spearhead of a force of thousands of UN troops and they fought through ultron's defences block by block

They were there for the Kree Skrull war

They were there in Avengers Forever when Immortus summoned all the armies of all of time and still they managed to hold the line for awhile

They were there for the Shiar Kree war which ended with the detonation of the nega bomb (which killed billions) While we are on the subject the Kree are by far deadlier and more ruthless than the Shiar (in my opinion)

They were there when Kang amassed his technologically advanced armies (millions of crack troops) and conquered the world and killed millions. (Kang War) and they were the ones who liberated it from his rule.

They helped fend off Galactus, they beat Nefaria (and he'd whup Superman's ass), they stopped Korvac

the list goes on and on

but as far as brutal war....Kang War (if you havent read it you should)

Now i'm not trying to diminish the X-men's experiences or Storm's. What I am saying is that the Avengers experiences (imo) exceed those of the X-men. And if you consider that Cap was leading the Avengers before Storm even joined the X-men then factor in that he was on the frontlines of world war 2 I dont think its unfair to say his expereince exceeds hers significantly.

Really I cant believe we are even having this debate. If they were on the same team who do you think would be giving the orders?

By the way:

Magneto, Apocalypse, Sinister, Shadow King, Phalanx, Shiar < Kang, Korvac, Terminus, Nefaria, Loki, Ultron, Kree

Granted I think the Phalanx are truly up there in terms of being a threat and they freak my right out
(Apocalypse I consider the most overrated villain in Marvel)

[Ahura Mazda]

I think the name of this thread should change into "Do you think Storm is more popular then Thor" because as it is, it is being treated as a battle and to be honest....Thor would not be too worried. Plus if you guys remember, the lat incarnation of thor is Rune Thor....

Anyways, why make this thread into a battle one?

[javon]

I don't know. It has been said multiple times that this isn't what the thread is for. But hey, what do I know :woot: .