the supergirl thread

[Fried Gold]

no its not a stereotype a majority of brits i've seen have bad teeth.Idiot, by your logic, the majority of muslims I've seen like to blow **** up and cut people's heads off, but I'm not naiive enough to use racial stereotypes as evidence for discussion.

Also, citing a majority based soley on you're own experiences is a stereotype.

[04nbod]

i didn't bump this just to start that argument off again- he has his view, fine.

this is about the comic you either wanna discuss that or not.on that note- that cat turned up in a frame again - do you think it will eventually be called streaky? it seems like its setting something up.

[Primal Slayer]

I think Kara will come to like the cat and name it Streaky.

[04nbod]

its been in every issue since issue 9- it may be part of the whole spy thing thats happening but it'd be nice to have streaky back. its the same colour and all.

http://www.heroesink.com/images/Mooney/supergirl_streaky_space_commission.jpg
http://supergirl.astraldream.net/25-15a.jpghttp://supergirl.astraldream.net/25-15b.jpghttp://supergirl.astraldream.net/25-15c.jpghttp://supergirl.astraldream.net/25-15d.jpg

[UK_Stu]

Supergirl as a character has also had potential. The silver age character though lacking depth like most silver-age characters initially, had her charms and the PAD Supergirl too was relatively interesting because she wasn't related to Superman and had some different powers.

The latest incarnation simply doesn't have any appealing features - she's an emo-*****. The stories lack any cohesion and flip flop from one month to another, I don't think there has been an issue yet, where they haven't needed some kind of guest star.

[04nbod]

the guest stars are are point of view - personally i think they enhance the story, but saying that terra was definitely unnecessay- nightwing was already established in the book so why not have him give her the moral lesson. honestly i don't see boomer, cassie or the rest of the outsiders as guest stars remember she has friends in the superhero community. she has no secret identity(heck she doesn't know her own identity) so normal supporting characters like lois or jimmy for superman are unavailable. The story is a personal one in the end. its aimed at the smallville crowd and reminds me of the show as in becoming a hero- she will become supergirl and we love her but its her coming of age. she's going through the l 'why should i?' phase. its this she will have to work through as well as her past which is wat this comic is about. i feel people expect kara to start where she left off in crisis(which i feel we will learn more about) but its unrealistic.
this could be the same kara as crisis(who knows). she died being a hero, why should she do it all over again- hasn;t she done enough. but this is just my rampant speculation.:woot:

[sethcohen]

the guest stars are are point of view - personally i think they enhance the story, but saying that terra was definitely unnecessay- nightwing was already established in the book so why not have him give her the moral lesson. honestly i don't see boomer, cassie or the rest of the outsiders as guest stars remember she has friends in the superhero community. she has no secret identity(heck she doesn't know her own identity) so normal supporting characters like lois or jimmy for superman are unavailable. The story is a personal one in the end. its aimed at the smallville crowd and reminds me of the show as in becoming a hero- she will become supergirl and we love her but its her coming of age. she's going through the l 'why should i?' phase. its this she will have to work through as well as her past which is wat this comic is about. i feel people expect kara to start where she left off in crisis(which i feel we will learn more about) but its unrealistic.
this could be the same kara as crisis(who knows). she died being a hero, why should she do it all over again- hasn;t she done enough. but this is just my rampant speculation.:woot:

a) no this isnt the same kara... she would complain about like totally having to save existance and stuff

b) get a writer with some sort of talent in there now and salvage to character from being a snobbish **** to a lost confused teen, give her one 3 issue arc to get her **** together and realize this is what she wants to do and then a few more arcs of her learning the ropes... this isnt the same supergirl that helped her cousin watch over metropolis while he was powerless... that was well written... this is like "get out the dartboard! its time to write! ok first dart, guest star! and its powergirl! ok, next is setting! kandor?! howd that get on there? oh well! the dart has spoken! ok next... actually, they should just give the title to busiek and let him fix it... bing bang boom...

[Ultimate_Superman]

Supergirl should have died in the crisis so that conner could live and fight under another name. :cmad:

[sethcohen]

i want dan didios job... i would micromanage the hell out of ****... id so do a better job! hahaha

[04nbod]

a) no this isnt the same kara... she would complain about like totally having to save existance and stuff

b) get a writer with some sort of talent in there now and salvage to character from being a snobbish **** to a lost confused teen, give her one 3 issue arc to get her **** together and realize this is what she wants to do and then a few more arcs of her learning the ropes... this isnt the same supergirl that helped her cousin watch over metropolis while he was powerless... that was well written... this is like "get out the dartboard! its time to write! ok first dart, guest star! and its powergirl! ok, next is setting! kandor?! howd that get on there? oh well! the dart has spoken! ok next... actually, they should just give the title to busiek and let him fix it... bing bang boom...

the only journey to rely on is kara's journey.Kandor, the guests are all tools to carry on her journey. just look at issue 11- there was cliffhanger that will never be followed up.but what we learned from that is kara's need for a family, her friendship with boomer, her crush on nightwing, making friends.
i'm looking forward to the regular team returning especially churchills art so we can get back into the full swing of the story. i just hope that she 'finds herself ' soon.
considering you are so anti kara i would enjoy hearing your views of the latest issue and whether it made you not like her any more than before. throughout i thought it was an attempt to answer all the criticisms people like you have put forward through the character of terra.
the empathosaur was just stupid but it was very much in the background with the exchanges between kara and terra at the forefront.

[twylight]

just tthought id bump this fr the few who picked up the latest issue. it was alright- total filler that wanted to fix all that people(like on here)say is wrong in this version. Terra and nightwing are trying to enforce her duty on her and she explains throughout what her probem is. i.e she wants a life, she never thinks she will be good enough, its easier not to try- really showing her problems that the comic will run with.

the question is will the haters find this enough?(i think not)


Terra is in it?

and see...that is her problem. This whole time she's been acting like she is better than everyone so why the sudden dive in self-esteem? It doesn't makes sense...unless...she slept with Boomer. :wow:
*I totally wouldn't put it past her*

And geez..:whatever: she does have a life.

[sethcohen]

the only journey to rely on is kara's journey.Kandor, the guests are all tools to carry on her journey. just look at issue 11- there was cliffhanger that will never be followed up.but what we learned from that is kara's need for a family, her friendship with boomer, her crush on nightwing, making friends.
i'm looking forward to the regular team returning especially churchills art so we can get back into the full swing of the story. i just hope that she 'finds herself ' soon.
considering you are so anti kara i would enjoy hearing your views of the latest issue and whether it made you not like her any more than before. throughout i thought it was an attempt to answer all the criticisms people like you have put forward through the character of terra.
the empathosaur was just stupid but it was very much in the background with the exchanges between kara and terra at the forefront.

ya... i heard about the empathosaur and decided to pass...

[04nbod]

Terra is in it?

and see...that is her problem. This whole time she's been acting like she is better than everyone so why the sudden dive in self-esteem? It doesn't makes sense...unless...she slept with Boomer. :wow:
*I totally wouldn't put it past her*

And geez..:whatever: she does have a life.

the introduction of the all new terra. it was basically terra telling supergirl everything she should be(like a lot of people say on here) she basically says she's selfish and doesn't live up to the 's'on her chest. it starts with nightwing saying the exact same thing to boomer. terra's words hit too close to home- she feels she isn't good enough and that she doesn't belong- so she ends up eating ice-cream in her living room watching superman- the ultimate collection- trying to see what she should be. then boomer takes her out dancing.- where she tells him 'your my hero'

high point- her and boomers heart to heart
low point- when the empathosaur(jesus christ!:whatever:) says humanity is in the under-realms and supergirl thinks he says ' they are trying to invade your under-pants?':csad:

[04nbod]

ya... i heard about the empathosaur and decided to pass...

it was a filler issue- kelly and churchill return next issue as does powerboy. the mystery surrounding him is very annoying.

[twylight]

the introduction of the all new terra. it was basically terra telling supergirl everything she should be(like a lot of people say on here) she basically says she's selfish and doesn't live up to the 's'on her chest. it starts with nightwing saying the exact same thing to boomer. terra's words hit too close to home- she feels she isn't good enough and that she doesn't belong- so she ends up eating ice-cream in her living room watching superman- the ultimate collection- trying to see what she should be. then boomer takes her out dancing.- where she tells him 'your my hero'

high point- her and boomers heart to heart
low point- when the empathosaur(jesus christ!:whatever:) says humanity is in the under-realms and supergirl thinks he says ' they are trying to invade your under-pants?':csad:

My point exactly..if an underaged girl is making eyes at a guy practically 10 years her senior then there is something wrong with the writers of that book.

They are taking what they presume every girl wants/likes to see and putting it on paper and it's not true. I'd rather have the Pre-Crisis type of Supergirl back.
Tough but gentle, loving, caring and kind. They could have brought her back better. Make her more unsure to begin with, place her with a 'real' family, none of this 'Amazonian royalty' junk. Make her find a way into the world instead of forcing her way in and then having second thoughts. Which to me, makes no sense. They've obviously hit a dead end with the character they started her as, so now they have to introduce self-douibt which after the 'school' filler makes no sense.

How did she go from self-assured and almost gag-me-confident to "oh-my-gosh-I'm-worthless"? One little thing said by Terra? Someone she doesn't even know? She wouldn't even listen to her friends....

[04nbod]

My point exactly..if an underaged girl is making eyes at a guy practically 10 years her senior then there is something wrong with the writers of that book.

They are taking what they presume every girl wants/likes to see and putting it on paper and it's not true. I'd rather have the Pre-Crisis type of Supergirl back.
Tough but gentle, loving, caring and kind. They could have brought her back better. Make her more unsure to begin with, place her with a 'real' family, none of this 'Amazonian royalty' junk. Make her find a way into the world instead of forcing her way in and then having second thoughts. Which to me, makes no sense. They've obviously hit a dead end with the character they started her as, so now they have to introduce self-douibt which after the 'school' filler makes no sense.

How did she go from self-assured and almost gag-me-confident to "oh-my-gosh-I'm-worthless"? One little thing said by Terra? Someone she doesn't even know? She wouldn't even listen to her friends....

superman put pre crisis kara in an orphanage- there was no REAL family. the ongoing theme is that she doubts herself- and her history- so this coming and going is fine by me i just hope it gets solved soon. terra hurt her because what she said is whats going through supergirls mind too. its not impossible that the attitude is a mask for whats going on inside.
i still think she's more interesting than pre crisis kara for all these issues but i hope they get her straight soon. it feels like the 'who am i plot' is stretched out way to far- although that should end soon. kara told superman last issue they would talk 'soon' which i guess will be the end of her soul searching.

[Eros]

So is their any reason why i should start reading the supergirl comic?

[sethcohen]

no... oh wait.. yes. powerboy... thats it

[Eros]

the new Powerboy is a supporting character in the book now?

[Ultimate_Superman]

I would quit Supergirl if she was not part of the Super-Family. That reason alone is why I buy that book. Since her OYL arc the single best moment of this book IMO is her talking to Superman and you see him in space above the earth.

[twylight]

superman put pre crisis kara in an orphanage- there was no REAL family. the ongoing theme is that she doubts herself- and her history- so this coming and going is fine by me i just hope it gets solved soon. terra hurt her because what she said is whats going through supergirls mind too. its not impossible that the attitude is a mask for whats going on inside.
i still think she's more interesting than pre crisis kara for all these issues but i hope they get her straight soon. it feels like the 'who am i plot' is stretched out way to far- although that should end soon. kara told superman last issue they would talk 'soon' which i guess will be the end of her soul searching.


I didn't say make her a carbon copy. :p

I'd have perfered her anywhere else besides Themyscaria.
I wish they'd had her soul searching before she came off as a total witch. :o

Why couldn't they have shown it earlier if that was the case/plan. Karen beat her down and Kara dismissed it and even threatened Karen, and Karen was considered a 'friend' of sorts.

No, the writers fumbled on that note and had to bring in another guest to get the same moment back and re-do it.

[Primal Slayer]

Issue 12 was taking place after issue 10.

And Kara has no interest in Boomer which she has already stated. She views Boomer as a brother and a friend.

I dont have a problem with her. She is 16/17 and doesnt know what she wants in life. People think that since she is Supermans cousin and wears an S on her chest, that she needs to be this upbeat superhero who wants to go save the world before bed time. To her, ya she has superpowers but that doesnt mean that she has to be a hero. She wanted to try to be just an ordinary girl and be her own person, not be Supermans cousin and not be a superhero.

She didnt grow up on earth with caring, loving parents like Clark did. She grew up on Krypton where her father was abusive, she wasnt the popular girl in school and was picked on, and she saw her planet blow up right infront of her eyes, everything that she always knew was suddenly gone. She lands on earth after 30+ years of floating in space, the cousin that she thought she was suppose to raise and protect is all grown up and everyone loves him. She suffers from amnesia for a couple of months only remembering things here and there, she is captured by Darkseid and he basically mind warps her, then when she gets back to earth she is suppose to stay on Paradise Island and train to become someone she doesnt even know she wants to be. Clark doesnt invite her to stay at the farm with Connor and the Kents. Her first real encounter with PowerGirl isnt the greatest and the same with Connor. She finds out that Luthor is watching her and he splits her in two, brings out her darkside which just tells her that she is the not the person she thought she was, she wasnt suppose to raise Clark, instead she was suppose to kill Clark. She tries to be a hero after this and ends up in the future, goes back to the present and things arent that dandy for her, she is afraid of who she is and doesnt want to be around her cousin since she is afraid that she will try to kill him. She starts out on her journey to try and find out who she is and what she wants to be, in the end by Issue12(which is basically the real issue 11) she deciedes she wants a family and wants to try and get into the hero thing.

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it and thats what she is experianceing.

And we already know by the Infinate Holiday special that her and Clark get back on good terms again and that she deciedes "ya, I will save the world from evil, I will be a hero"

[Eros]

Issue 12 was taking place after issue 10.

And Kara has no interest in Boomer which she has already stated. She views Boomer as a brother and a friend.

I dont have a problem with her. She is 16/17 and doesnt know what she wants in life. People think that since she is Supermans cousin and wears an S on her chest, that she needs to be this upbeat superhero who wants to go save the world before bed time. To her, ya she has superpowers but that doesnt mean that she has to be a hero. She wanted to try to be just an ordinary girl and be her own person, not be Supermans cousin and not be a superhero.

She didnt grow up on earth with caring, loving parents like Clark did. She grew up on Krypton where her father was abusive, she wasnt the popular girl in school and was picked on, and she saw her planet blow up right infront of her eyes, everything that she always knew was suddenly gone. She lands on earth after 30+ years of floating in space, the cousin that she thought she was suppose to raise and protect is all grown up and everyone loves him. She suffers from amnesia for a couple of months only remembering things here and there, she is captured by Darkseid and he basically mind warps her, then when she gets back to earth she is suppose to stay on Paradise Island and train to become someone she doesnt even know she wants to be. Clark doesnt invite her to stay at the farm with Connor and the Kents. Her first real encounter with PowerGirl isnt the greatest and the same with Connor. She finds out that Luthor is watching her and he splits her in two, brings out her darkside which just tells her that she is the not the person she thought she was, she wasnt suppose to raise Clark, instead she was suppose to kill Clark. She tries to be a hero after this and ends up in the future, goes back to the present and things arent that dandy for her, she is afraid of who she is and doesnt want to be around her cousin since she is afraid that she will try to kill him. She starts out on her journey to try and find out who she is and what she wants to be, in the end by Issue12(which is basically the real issue 11) she deciedes she wants a family and wants to try and get into the hero thing.

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it and thats what she is experianceing.

Living on Earth is alot easier when your faster then a speeding bullet, and more powerful then a locomotive.

[twylight]

Issue 12 was taking place after issue 10.

And Kara has no interest in Boomer which she has already stated. She views Boomer as a brother and a friend.

I dont have a problem with her. She is 16/17 and doesnt know what she wants in life. People think that since she is Supermans cousin and wears an S on her chest, that she needs to be this upbeat superhero who wants to go save the world before bed time. To her, ya she has superpowers but that doesnt mean that she has to be a hero. She wanted to try to be just an ordinary girl and be her own person, not be Supermans cousin and not be a superhero.

She didnt grow up on earth with caring, loving parents like Clark did. She grew up on Krypton where her father was abusive, she wasnt the popular girl in school and was picked on, and she saw her planet blow up right infront of her eyes, everything that she always knew was suddenly gone. She lands on earth after 30+ years of floating in space, the cousin that she thought she was suppose to raise and protect is all grown up and everyone loves him. She suffers from amnesia for a couple of months only remembering things here and there, she is captured by Darkseid and he basically mind warps her, then when she gets back to earth she is suppose to stay on Paradise Island and train to become someone she doesnt even know she wants to be. Clark doesnt invite her to stay at the farm with Connor and the Kents. Her first real encounter with PowerGirl isnt the greatest and the same with Connor. She finds out that Luthor is watching her and he splits her in two, brings out her darkside which just tells her that she is the not the person she thought she was, she wasnt suppose to raise Clark, instead she was suppose to kill Clark. She tries to be a hero after this and ends up in the future, goes back to the present and things arent that dandy for her, she is afraid of who she is and doesnt want to be around her cousin since she is afraid that she will try to kill him. She starts out on her journey to try and find out who she is and what she wants to be, in the end by Issue12(which is basically the real issue 11) she deciedes she wants a family and wants to try and get into the hero thing.

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it and thats what she is experianceing.

And we already know by the Infinate Holiday special that her and Clark get back on good terms again and that she deciedes "ya, I will save the world from evil, I will be a hero"

...if that is trying to make me feel sorry for her, it isn't.

While it's all a valid point, the execution of said points in the comics was sloppily done.

[Varient]

Supergirl should have died in the crisis so that conner could live and fight under another name. :cmad:
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[twylight]

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[Primal Slayer]

...if that is trying to make me feel sorry for her, it isn't.


Its not

Living on Earth is alot easier when your faster then a speeding bullet, and more powerful then a locomotive.

Ya thats true but doesnt mean that it will make you happy. Its like being rich, sure money would make me full of happiness but for others having loads of money isnt all that its cracked up to be.

[Varient]

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Well,... Y'know,... I don't condone death just to further a story idea,.....


That's why I want the previous Supergirl to make an appearance,....

Why doesn't it strike ANYONE strange that after being MARRIED to Superman in an alternate timeline and having a daughter by him would have that one all up in Lois and clarks business.

Test run before the first Kara Zor el:
(They killed her off)http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4150&stc=1&d=1166136731


Mrs. Superman in an alternate Universe:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4151&stc=1&d=1166136771

[04nbod]

and they say she has a short skirt now... jesus thats short and skin tight

[04nbod]

...if that is trying to make me feel sorry for her, it isn't.

While it's all a valid point, the execution of said points in the comics was sloppily done.

fair enough. i hate people who dropped the book then come and badmouth the character even though they haven't been reading it. if what he says is true abouth the holiday special we should be back on track with supergirl by the new year. the covers look as if they are adventures in her superhero life anyway.

i'd like to see how boomers going to fit into the entire supergirl/ powerboy relationship and how she's going to flip when she finds out he's there because nightwing told him to spy on her and that other things are spying on her.should be fun- supergirl beating up nightwing:woot: :oldrazz:only thing that would piss people off more would be them sleeping together.

[Primal Slayer]

This is why DC loves the current Supergirl so much:
02/2006: Supergirl #5 — 103,108 (- 1.0%) — [104,930]
03/2006: –
04/2006: –
05/2006: Supergirl #6 — 102,860 (- 0.2%)
06/2006: –
07/2006: Supergirl #7 — 85,175 (-17.2%)
07/2006: Supergirl #8 — 76,942 (- 9.7%)
08/2006: Supergirl #9 — 74,252 (- 3.5%)

02/2006: Legion of SH #15 — 31,649 (- 2.7%)
03/2006: Supergirl & LoSH #16 — 47,426 (+ 49.9%) [54,788]
04/2006: Supergirl & LoSH #17 — 44,827 (- 5.5%) [47,724]
05/2006: Supergirl & LoSH #18 — 45,520 (+ 1.6%)
06/2006: Supergirl & LoSH #19 — 43,918 (- 3.5%)
07/2006: Supergirl & LoSH #20 — 41,679 (- 5.1%)
08/2006: Supergirl & LoSH #21 — 39,852 (- 4.4%)
09/2006: Supergirl & LoSH #22 — 36,735 (- 7.8%)
10/2006: Supergirl & LoSH #23 — 41,554 (+ 13.1%)


The girl knows how to sell books. She is still one of their top performers.


and they say she has a short skirt now... jesus thats short and skin tight

thank ya, people seem to overlook Lindas skrit when complaining about Karas.

Well,... Y'know,... I don't condone death just to further a story idea,.....





That's why I want the previous Supergirl to make an appearance,....



Why doesn't it strike ANYONE strange that after being MARRIED to Superman in an alternate timeline and having a daughter by him would have that one all up in Lois and clarks business.


Test run before the first Kara Zor el:

(They killed her off)




Mrs. Superman in an alternate Universe:



Because its DC and who knows if Lindas daughter is even still in continuity.

[Purple Man]

My point exactly..if an underaged girl is making eyes at a guy practically 10 years her senior then there is something wrong with the writers of that book.



That would bother me too if it wasn't Nightwing.

There are plenty of young fangirls who would take off their Wonder Woman underoos for Dick Grayson.

He's like that older guy most girls have a crush on at one time or another. It's no different than say Robin checking out Wonder Womans cleavage.

Shame on you, Twy. Like you haven't made eyes at someone much older than you.

Boomer might be spying for Nightwing, but I have a feeling that he'll end up developing real feelings for Kara. She's freaking Supergirl, how can he resist....unless he's gay...and for some reason that really wouldn't suprise me..at all.

[Primal Slayer]

He has already developed feelings for her....
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/9282/09yk0.th.jpg (http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09yk0.jpg)

[04nbod]

i think she was joking there but he is very complimetary to her in the last issue he called her beautiful.

[04nbod]

this is from the holiday special of infinite crisis
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/dc_xmas_special_p09.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/supergirl1.jpg

[Primal Slayer]

this is from the holiday special of infinite crisis
http://lh5.google.com/_YxAxTVv9ILk/RX-DLz5OBuI/AAAAAAAAABc/AJq8qX6IvlQ/s1600/dc_xmas_special_p09.jpg
http://lh4.google.com/_YxAxTVv9ILk/RX-5Fj5OBvI/AAAAAAAAABs/-XY90JwoSQg/s1600/supergirl1.jpg

Red X's?

Nothin is showin up..

[04nbod]

i'll get them on photobucket

[Primal Slayer]

where did you find those pics? I have the ones from the actual book but those look so great without the words.

Totally loved Supergirls story, she was funny in it I think.

[04nbod]

from the artists blog. looked for it today in my comic store but it hadn't arrived yet- next week i've got a loooong comic buying list.

[blksuperman2]

this is from the holiday special of infinite crisis
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/dc_xmas_special_p09.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/supergirl1.jpg

I like the art. What's the artist's blog url bod?

[04nbod]

www.alegarza.blogspot.com

my only criticism is the first pic of her where her skirt is up so high you would see her underwear- but he doesn't define the area- if your not gonna show it make the skirt longer jeez...

[zer00]

www.alegarza.blogspot.com

my only criticism is the first pic of her where her skirt is up so high you would see her underwear- but he doesn't define the area- if your not gonna show it make the skirt longer jeez...
...we should see her camel toe?

[04nbod]

lol no, just cover her up!its not hard don't just leave it blank

[blksuperman2]

www.alegarza.blogspot.com (http://www.alegarza.blogspot.com)

my only criticism is the first pic of her where her skirt is up so high you would see her underwear- but he doesn't define the area- if your not gonna show it make the skirt longer jeez...

Thanks:woot:

..we should see her camel toe?

LOL. I don't think that's what she meant.

[zer00]

Thanks:woot:



LOL. I don't think that's what she meant.
Oh no

it's exactly what she meant

[04nbod]

thanks for defending my honour blk:woot:

[zer00]

wlkwlkwlkwlkwlkwlkwlkwlk

[blksuperman2]

thanks for defending my honour blk:woot:

anytime bod:hyper:

[hippie_hunter]

Supergirl's sales continue to drop like flies. Sales are down 4,900 issues (60,900 overall) and dropped from #24 in the rankings to #35.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/hippie_hunter/SalesofSupergirl1.jpg?t=1166333119

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/hippie_hunter/SalesofSupergirl2.jpg?t=1166333148

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/hippie_hunter/SalesofSupergirl3.jpg?t=1166333232

[GNR]

Bought Superman Batman: Supergirl and loved it.Didn't expect anything too deep and loved it for what it was.

I may never read another Supergirl story again,but this was one damn fine action broohah from Loeb and Turner.

[WompuM]

Where'd you get them charts? Or you actually put in some work and make them yourself?

[Purple Man]

Bought Superman Batman: Supergirl and loved it.Didn't expect anything too deep and loved it for what it was.

I may never read another Supergirl story again,but this was one damn fine action broohah from Loeb and Turner.

Then by all means pick up the first five, or six (can't remember) issues of Supergirl written by Loeb. Not the best but gives Supergirl as nice little tour of the DCU. Earning her spot with her bad assery. It almost seems repetitive how she fights almost every super team, but there's a different reason for each encounter so it's not bad.

People will yap and crap about Loebs work on Supergirl, but I applaud him for bringing her back, and making her worth reading.

It's a shame the current writer can't do that.

[The Leaguer]

No, it's a shame that Loeb created a character so ming-numblingly bad that power-house writers like Ruck and Kelly can't make her readable.

[Purple Man]

No, it's a shame that Rucka or Kelly couldn't make such an easy character readable.

Loeb did a fine job making the character endearing. I never liked Supergirl before, but I was quite smitten with Jephs rendition.

Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe Leaguer is just an idiot.

Well I guess regardless of whether I'm right or wrong, Leaguer is still an idiot, but you know what I mean.

[The Leaguer]

She's "easy" in that she's nothing more than a cliche rebellious teenager. She had absolutely no depth to her character beyond boring storypoints that have been used over and over again. Beyond that, Loeb's arc on Supergirl was simply horrible. She spent the entire story fighting other heroes simply to prove that she was, in some way, a badass, and ended up with an introduction to the DC's body of super heroes so lack-luster that Johns' recent onslaught of carbon-copy sidekicks pales in comparison. Nothing about that is endearing.

Kelly is doing his damnedest to force some sort of personality into her cookie-cutter characterization the best he can, but the character's innate flaws prevent him from being successful.

Ultimately, she is a useless, meaningless character who was never needed in the first place.

[Purple Man]

Ultimately, she is a useless, meaningless character who was never needed in the first place.

I feel the same way about you.

The original Supergirl wasn't much different, and she was still fun to read about.

Supergirl works the same as Robin, Speedy or any other junior hero. Similar powers to one of the veteran heroes, but a teenage attitude.

It's hard to buy Superman having a sidekick like character, or there even being someone with similar powers to himself. Since we never got to really see Clarks teenage years, we can see how a kryptonian handles those awkward years.

While you may not like her, she is a welcome addition to the DC universe. Her book may not be working right now, but it only takes one good story, or a good co-starring role and she'll be back and bigger than ever.

I don't know about the OYL Supergirl, but I think she's almost terrifyingly sweet in Legion.

[The Leaguer]

I'm not talking about the original Supergirl, I'm talking about the new one.

Supergirl only works the the same way as Robin or Speedy insomuch that she's essentially a younger version of an established hero. Other than that, their similarities fade. Neither Robin or Speedy came out of nowhere and started taking on and taking out contemporary heroes. Both of them had unique, original characterizations that didn't play on cliche after cliche.

It's funny that you cite Legion as support for Supergirl but say that you love Loeb's characterization. The reason Waid's Supergirl is tolerable is that her characterization there is dramatically different than Loeb's. Ask anyone who reads both Supergirl and Legion and they'll tell you it's like reading two completely different characters.

That's not to say Waid is doing what Kelly can't; far from it, they're simply taking two different approaches to the character. Kelly is trying to make Loeb's vision work, while Waid just chucked it and gave her an acceptable personality. The problem with Kelly's approach is that Loeb's original foundation for the character was just bad, so much so that, apparently, the only way to fix it is to drop it altogether.

[Purple Man]

She is rather wishy washy in Legion, and from Loebs rendition of the girl of steel, I liked most the way she talked to Batman.

Also being almost like a child to the DCUs trinity was a great idea that should be played up more.

[The Leaguer]

Her wishy-washy personality is what makes her so endearing and, although it's hardly original, it's infinitely more appealing than her abbrassive, confrontational, and annoyingly and needlessly rebellious personality in her own book.

[BrianWilly]

Being a child to the DCU trinity would be a very interesting angle if only it didn't run counter to everything that actually happened in the stories.

Batman had his bat-paranoiameter set on high from the moment he saw her and has since treated her like the biggest burden in the world. Wonder Woman first met her when she kidnapped her to Themyscira and kept her there to keep an eye on this dangerous girl, and since then has pretty much ignored her. Neither of them had a single mentorly instinct in their bones when it came to Kara. Superman was the only one who cared about her, and it turns out that even he didn't really know her as well as he thought.

I get that Loeb was trying to set her up as some sort of product of the Big Three, but it was literally like he was telling us one thing and showing us something completely different.

[hippie_hunter]

Where'd you get them charts? Or you actually put in some work and make them yourself?

I made them with Microsoft's Excel program.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm not talking about the original Supergirl, I'm talking about the new one.

Supergirl only works the the same way as Robin or Speedy insomuch that she's essentially a younger version of an established hero. Other than that, their similarities fade. Neither Robin or Speedy came out of nowhere and started taking on and taking out contemporary heroes. Both of them had unique, original characterizations that didn't play on cliche after cliche.

It's funny that you cite Legion as support for Supergirl but say that you love Loeb's characterization. The reason Waid's Supergirl is tolerable is that her characterization there is dramatically different than Loeb's. Ask anyone who reads both Supergirl and Legion and they'll tell you it's like reading two completely different characters.

That's not to say Waid is doing what Kelly can't; far from it, they're simply taking two different approaches to the character. Kelly is trying to make Loeb's vision work, while Waid just chucked it and gave her an acceptable personality. The problem with Kelly's approach is that Loeb's original foundation for the character was just bad, so much so that, apparently, the only way to fix it is to drop it altogether.

Leaguer may be an egotistical jackass, but when he's right, he's spot on

[The Leaguer]

I'm always right.

[Eros]

just have supergirl get killed.

[Gus Gorman]

I'd Hit It :)

[Kebab gud]

SuperGirl needs to get smacked around by Mia Dearden, i bet GA has some kryptonite arrows she can use..
i just wonder.. are Kryptonians imune to STD?

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'm not talking about the original Supergirl, I'm talking about the new one.

Supergirl only works the the same way as Robin or Speedy insomuch that she's essentially a younger version of an established hero. Other than that, their similarities fade. Neither Robin or Speedy came out of nowhere and started taking on and taking out contemporary heroes. Both of them had unique, original characterizations that didn't play on cliche after cliche.

It's funny that you cite Legion as support for Supergirl but say that you love Loeb's characterization. The reason Waid's Supergirl is tolerable is that her characterization there is dramatically different than Loeb's. Ask anyone who reads both Supergirl and Legion and they'll tell you it's like reading two completely different characters.

That's not to say Waid is doing what Kelly can't; far from it, they're simply taking two different approaches to the character. Kelly is trying to make Loeb's vision work, while Waid just chucked it and gave her an acceptable personality. The problem with Kelly's approach is that Loeb's original foundation for the character was just bad, so much so that, apparently, the only way to fix it is to drop it altogether.He's right I sat down and read Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes TPB yesterday and it was like reading a whole other person. Although it does piss me off that even in that book she was treated better then Conner. I mean what the hell DC.

[Primal Slayer]

She isnt Conner, she is a differnet charecter, ofcourse they are going to be treated different. And their situations are/were probably different. And handled by different writers.

[04nbod]

all-star you exaggerate conner way too much. kara/supergirl has been around since the 1950's- she's far more important than conner. he was only introduced in 1993- in the absence of kara. now she's back DC may have thought he wasn't needed / along with the law suit.

and kebab gud- again kara is not a whore - there is no evidence in that. you seem to like green arrow so much i would start to think you only like whores. as for green arrow when he first met this kara he thought she was hot. who's the whore?

[twylight]

I'm not talking about the original Supergirl, I'm talking about the new one.

Supergirl only works the the same way as Robin or Speedy insomuch that she's essentially a younger version of an established hero. Other than that, their similarities fade. Neither Robin or Speedy came out of nowhere and started taking on and taking out contemporary heroes. Both of them had unique, original characterizations that didn't play on cliche after cliche.

It's funny that you cite Legion as support for Supergirl but say that you love Loeb's characterization. The reason Waid's Supergirl is tolerable is that her characterization there is dramatically different than Loeb's. Ask anyone who reads both Supergirl and Legion and they'll tell you it's like reading two completely different characters.

That's not to say Waid is doing what Kelly can't; far from it, they're simply taking two different approaches to the character. Kelly is trying to make Loeb's vision work, while Waid just chucked it and gave her an acceptable personality. The problem with Kelly's approach is that Loeb's original foundation for the character was just bad, so much so that, apparently, the only way to fix it is to drop it altogether.

Being a child to the DCU trinity would be a very interesting angle if only it didn't run counter to everything that actually happened in the stories.

Batman had his bat-paranoiameter set on high from the moment he saw her and has since treated her like the biggest burden in the world. Wonder Woman first met her when she kidnapped her to Themyscira and kept her there to keep an eye on this dangerous girl, and since then has pretty much ignored her. Neither of them had a single mentorly instinct in their bones when it came to Kara. Superman was the only one who cared about her, and it turns out that even he didn't really know her as well as he thought.

I get that Loeb was trying to set her up as some sort of product of the Big Three, but it was literally like he was telling us one thing and showing us something completely different.


Is it so wrong that after reading both these posts I had the Superman Theme stuck in my head?

It was like a light dawning in a world of dark.
:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

You two rock...

[twylight]

Well,... Y'know,... I don't condone death just to further a story idea,.....


That's why I want the previous Supergirl to make an appearance,....

Why doesn't it strike ANYONE strange that after being MARRIED to Superman in an alternate timeline and having a daughter by him would have that one all up in Lois and clarks business.

Test run before the first Kara Zor el:
(They killed her off)http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4150&stc=1&d=1166136731


Mrs. Superman in an alternate Universe:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4151&stc=1&d=1166136771


You know that was one of DC's mistakes, in my book. They shouldn't have retconned Linda out. I personally, would have liked to see Linda come back and mentor Supergirl, and befriend her. Someone closer to her age *get past the teen rebellion*, and closer to the Supes family than Diana or Bruce.
It's a bit of a Babs/Cassie thing.



Shame on you, Twy. Like you haven't made eyes at someone much older than you.



I haven't :O Not ones I can see/touch/flirt with.

There's a difference between thinking Bob Hope (I know he's dead but I'm not attracted in anyway to the alive 'older' actors) is good looking, something else entirely if I was touching/flirting with him in real life.

And in real life, I don't go for men 10 years older than me, I'm ageist. :O :(

[Varient]

You know that was one of DC's mistakes, in my book. They shouldn't have retconned Linda out. I personally, would have liked to see Linda come back and mentor Supergirl, and befriend her. Someone closer to her age *get past the teen rebellion*, and closer to the Supes family than Diana or Bruce.
It's a bit of a Babs/Cassie thing.



And in real life, I don't go for men 10 years older than me, I'm ageist. :O :(
1. SHE WAS DEFINETLY RETCONNED OUT?????


ARRRRGGHHH!!

2. i'M THINKING YOU NEED TO BE RUINED FOR MEN WITHIN TEN YEARS OF YOUR AGE BY AN OLD PLAYER.

(By the way,... that ain't me "but I'm just saying".)

[hippie_hunter]

I haven't :O Not ones I can see/touch/flirt with.

There's a difference between thinking Bob Hope (I know he's dead but I'm not attracted in anyway to the alive 'older' actors) is good looking, something else entirely if I was touching/flirting with him in real life.

And in real life, I don't go for men 10 years older than me, I'm ageist. :O :(

I'm closer to your age :cwink:

[hippie_hunter]

all-star you exaggerate conner way too much. kara/supergirl has been around since the 1950's- she's far more important than conner. he was only introduced in 1993- in the absence of kara. now she's back DC may have thought he wasn't needed / along with the law suit.

Except these are two different Kara's, just like Kal-El and Kal-L are two different Supermen. This is not the same Kara that was created in the 1950's and died in the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[Harlekin]

Linda Danvers/Matrix/Supergirl was not retconned out.

[BrianWilly]

1. SHE WAS DEFINETLY RETCONNED OUT?????


ARRRRGGHHH!!"It depends on who you listen to and how you interpret their words.

Dan Didio said that the "Matrix" Supergirl has been retconned out following IC. Whether he means the Matrix specifically or is including Linda in that statement is unclear.

Geoff Johns said that Linda Danvers hasn't been retconned out.

So, *shrug*.

[Eros]

Linda Danvers,Matrix, and al the others were superior to the current supergirl, who for a girl from another planet Kara Zor-el acts like a valley girl ***** from earth.

[Ultimate_Superman]

all-star you exaggerate conner way too much. kara/supergirl has been around since the 1950's- she's far more important than conner. he was only introduced in 1993- in the absence of kara. now she's back DC may have thought he wasn't needed / along with the law suit.
I would not have a problem with her if she was like her pre-crisis self or if she was written like how she is in LOSH but she isnt. I thought this OYL was suppose to fix all the problems we had with her but that is not the case.

[Primal Slayer]

She is her own person, ofcourse she isnt going to be like her Pre-crisis self, comparing her to that wont help matters any. There are barely any heroes who are like their pre-crisis selves.

And OYL isnt suppose to get rid of things that fans dislike. And plenty of people must like the way she is seeing as though she continues to sell over 70000 copies each issue making her one of the top dc books.

[Eros]

She is her own person, ofcourse she isnt going to be like her Pre-crisis self, comparing her to that wont help matters any. There are barely any heroes who are like their pre-crisis selves.

And OYL isnt suppose to get rid of things that fans dislike. And plenty of people must like the way she is seeing as though she continues to sell over 70000 copies each issue making her one of the top dc books.

Her sales are lower then that now, the only reason peole read the book, is because her name is Super-girl, and alot of nostalgia.

[hippie_hunter]

She is her own person, ofcourse she isnt going to be like her Pre-crisis self, comparing her to that wont help matters any. There are barely any heroes who are like their pre-crisis selves.

And OYL isnt suppose to get rid of things that fans dislike. And plenty of people must like the way she is seeing as though she continues to sell over 70000 copies each issue making her one of the top dc books.

Observe this sales chart:
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/hippie_hunter/SalesofSupergirl1.jpg?t=1166333119

1. Observe Supergirl #1, it's sales were 123,400. It was a much hyped issue and it was a first issue which many comics sell well in. It was the sixth highest selling comic in August of 2005. Afterwards we see a rather steady dip and then a dramatic one because the book was crap. People dropped it. But wait there's a sudden increase in sales, that brings me to point #2.

2. The dramatic increase was caused by two reasons:
a. A new writer came aboard.
b. OYL, DC's plan of jumping all books within the DC Universe ahead one year.

Now these two things were the cause in the sudden sales increase, but the book continued to be crap and thus, another sudden decrease in sales.

3. Supergirl's sales are now at 62,500, this accounts that sales for Supergirl have gone down over 50% and at the rate that it is dropping, the book will be below 60,000 sales by next issue. It no longer sells over 100,000 copies, it no longer even sells over 70,000 copies.

[Primal Slayer]

Even though the sales have apparently dropped, they are still one of the top dc books. But looking at the last 3 issues sales, it seems like it has steadied above 60,000, and thats still good since even Superman and Action Comics recent past issues have sold just around the same number. If the sales continue to drop below that that is yet to be determined but I think the book will end up steadying out and perhaps rise a little.

But she still sells more books then half of other titles for now and still has helped Legions sales.

[hippie_hunter]

Even though the sales have apparently dropped, they are still one of the top dc books. But looking at the last 3 issues sales, it seems like it has steadied above 60,000, and thats still good since even Superman and Action Comics recent past issues have sold just around the same number. If the sales continue to drop below that that is yet to be determined but I think the book will end up steadying out and perhaps rise a little.

But she still sells more books then half of other titles for now and still has helped Legions sales.

There are some major differences though.

Because Superman and Action Comics have over 500 issues, they are safe from cancellation. DC has confirmed that their high numbers have assured their safety. Not only that, Superman's and Action Comics' sales are rather consistent. They stay at the same level most of the time.

Supergirl's sales are dropping and continues to do so. It hasn't steadied yet. By next issue, at the current trend, it will reach below 60,000

[04nbod]

i picked up LOSH and i hated kara in it. ive made no secret of the fact i love her solo title. everything i love about her in that title is lost in legion-she's submissive, boring, at the mercy of all the other members and not doing anything about it and clingy. in her solo title she is strong willed and confident- nothing like legion. the only good thing is the love hate relationship between kara and brainy- its like when little boys pull little girls hair because they like them. i'm all for kara and brainy- hence my avi and i would like to see more in this title. most annoying character is the blue chick(i've only just started reading this title give me a break)

[GNR]

The Superman/Batman story was awesome.Re-read it today,balls out action without shame.

[Primal Slayer]

Issue 13 talk:

This was a GREAT issue! I loved it! New baddies(who could potientially become part of SGs rouges gallery), new villans(which could be Cassie and this could be the "set" up) and Powerboy was great(but gotta get rid of the chest hair, I guess he must have shaven it when we first saw him in his other appearances), cant wait for him and Kara to go on a date and to learn more about him. Felt bad for Boomer at the end, guy is gonna get his heart broken.

Oh and great seeing Lois, this is the first time we have seen the two together in a comic so thats nice.

I love this book and Churchills art.

[The Leaguer]

Other than Churchill's art, nothing about this issue really sucked, besides Supergirl's attitude. I shudder to think how awful this series would be without Kelly writing.

[superhero_mania]

supergirl would be the 2nd best heroine for me (i was glad when linda danvers left)
linda danvers is a b***ch, when kara took linda's costume she wore it for a while then got her own costume with a blue skirt then a read skirt and stayed like that forever
when supergirl (linda danvers) and superman got married and had baby (because superman found out she was not actually his cousin) and they named her ariella then they let her out in to space
but that is another story
my favourite supergirl is kara zor-el and always will be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:6.5Supergirls.jpg

[superhero_mania]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/6.5Supergirls.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/52/176568938_6b5d90c20a_m.jpghttp://noel1215.tripod.com/supergirl.jpghttp://www.jdevito.com/images/heroes/DC-Supergirl-Poster_Large.jpghttp://www.dollsdakatchoo.blogger.com.br/supergirl.gifhttp://www.recommendedbuys.co.uk/images/supergirl.gifhttp://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/lunchbox/187/dccomics/supergirl.jpg

[Primal Slayer]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2800/18by8.jpg

This ends the speculation if she wears undies or not...

[Knives122]

what issue is that from?

[blksuperman2]

Nice pic ^

[Primal Slayer]

what issue is that from?

Issue13 where the romance between her and PB starts up offically.

Lois also makes a guest apperance.

[Eros]

"You want my Hate? Its yours." WTF?

[Knives122]

I think they got that from the G Gundam dub....

[Primal Slayer]

"You want my Hate? Its yours." WTF?

the fat guy feeds off of peoples anger and what not, so Kara gives it to him in full force.

[Knives122]

actually.....she just steps on his foot

[Victor Von Doom]

It was both. That was a good issue. Though powerboy is probably another villain in disguise. We all know how the hero out of nowhere story goes. Especailly when he's too good to be true. He's either a villain or he'll soo be way too human and emotionally damaged by the death of those he could not protect like the rest of these sorry saps that we love so much.

[Wolfwood]

Other than Churchill's art, nothing about this issue really sucked, besides Supergirl's attitude. I shudder to think how awful this series would be without Kelly writing.

Kelly is the only reason I'm reading my Sister's Supergirl comics, I love the man. :up:

[04nbod]

why did we have to see her underoos in that pic. i love churchills art but come on people already think she's a tramp there's no need to encourage it.

[Primal Slayer]

Well seeing as though people thought that she wore nothing underneith it, I dont see how this can ruin her anymore then people already think.

And its not that different from seeing WonderWoman in a bathing suit 24/7 or PowerGirls outfit hiding just the naughty part down there.

Atleast now we know she wears undies and he probably drew it like that so people would stop making a big deal out of her outfit. The skirt was shortend to just get to the fans who were complaining probably in the first place.

[Mogwai]

i'm really curious to see what comes of powerboy. why don't people care for churchill's art? i was kind of glad he was back (i think it could be a lot worse).

[Ultimate_Superman]

To be honest I kind of liked this issue because it at least explains why she has been staying away from Superman. The rest was kind of poor but I at least understand now why she hasn't come near Clark.

[04nbod]

i'm two issues behind :( i thought it was established that she didn't go near clark out of fear of hurting him.

[hippie_hunter]

i'm two issues behind :( i thought it was established that she didn't go near clark out of fear of hurting him.

That is the stupidest reasoning EVER! :cmad:

[Primal Slayer]

no its not. Its like with someone who is a former drug addict, you dont go near it and try to establish yourself around people who dont use it so you dont have to worry about getting addicted with it again.

As shown in issue 12, Kara found herself almost ready to kill Clark while he was depowered so she had to distance herself away from her so the urge wouldnt be as strong and so she could fight it which she is doing and she is basically over it.

[04nbod]

just read issue 12- not the best issue but the art was back to being great. kara's self hatred killing the monster- i still don't know how i feel about that

[The Leaguer]

What I'm not sure about is just how crappy a character Kara is. I mean, is she utterly or completely crappy?

[Spike_x1]

Craptastically crappy? :confused:

[The Leaguer]

Not enough crap.

[04nbod]

constructive:whatever:

[The Leaguer]

When it comes to Supergirl, this is about as constructive as you can get.

[Assassin]

I'd hit it

[UK_Stu]

What I'm not sure about is just how crappy a character Kara is. I mean, is she utterly or completely crappy?

cor blimey - I agree 100% with The Leaguer...:wow:

[The Leaguer]

You shouldn't be surprised, I'm always right.

[Tropico]

Supergirl is hot even thought Power Girl has bigger boobs!!!:up::D Next time shes in Smallville they should use Paris as her and giver her the supersuit that later Clark copies to be Superman.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Dude, Karen is way hotter. :o

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Supergirl is hot even thought Power Girl has bigger boobs!!!:up::D Next time shes in Smallville they should use Paris as her and giver her the supersuit that later Clark copies to be Superman.

Paris??????

[Tropico]

Hilton. DUR!:whatever:

Mistress Glueon whos Karen?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Power Girl.

[Assassin]

Supergirl is hot even thought Power Girl has bigger boobs!!!:up::D Next time shes in Smallville they should use Paris as her and giver her the supersuit that later Clark copies to be Superman.

Is this the same Tropico? :huh:

[Tropico]

Hahahahahahaha, that wrinkled guy and teh retird thing under your name mean your an old guy?:D j/k
Just curious don't get angry.:o

[Assassin]

no i'm 21, I retired this sn after 10,000 posts and had assassin 2

but the overwhelming demand for my return (and me posting by accident and ****ing up my perfect 10,000) made me come back.

[Assassin]

thats darkseid btw. wtf has happened to tropico?

[Tropico]

Dude, your old! You still read comics?!:eek: I think youre older and your saying 21 so people don't think you life in a basement with your granma and her cats.:D That old guy in your avvy looks like he lost he's dentures.lol:D

[Assassin]

I'm supost to be the **** up and you're the voice of reason, not the other way around,

Did you hit your head?

[Tropico]

Which head?;)

[Assassin]

Which head?;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

[Tropico]

Hahahahahaha asasin geezer is awesome!:up::up::up:

[04nbod]

wow, are you feeling ok tropico?

[Tropico]

yah I feel greta!!! I was bangin my other head into your mom! ROTFL!1!!!!1:D:D:D:D

[04nbod]

ok...

[The Leaguer]

yah I feel greta!!! I was bangin my other head into your mom! ROTFL!1!!!!1:D:D:D:D

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

[hippie_hunter]

Good news fellow Supergirl haturs. It turns out that there wasn't a massive sales spike and sales continue to drop for this horrid comic reaching below 60,000 in December

Supergirl #12
Rank: 29
Sales: 59,800

Supergirl #13
Rank: 33
Sales: 56,600

And to further rub it in, I give you the updated sales charts

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/hippie_hunter/SalesofSupergirl1.jpg?t=1169572689

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/hippie_hunter/SalesofSupergirl2.jpg?t=1169572718

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/hippie_hunter/SalesofSupergirl3.jpg?t=1169572942

But don't look glum, Supergirl fans. At least it isn't as bad as the top-selling All-Star Batman and Robin and Bruce Jones' run on Nightwing (staring Jason Toddopus)

[Primal Slayer]

Im ok with it. Its still one of the best selling titles of DC at the moment, still above Hawkgirl, Nightwing, Blue Beetle, Flash, Manhunter(which is a great title), Catwoman, Atom, GreenArrow, and many more.

So even though the sales have dropped she isnt doing that badly yet.

She was the 14th and 15th best selling DC book in December, thats good.

[hippie_hunter]

Im ok with it. Its still one of the best selling titles of DC at the moment, still above Hawkgirl, Nightwing, Blue Beetle, Flash, Manhunter(which is a great title), Catwoman, Atom, GreenArrow, and many more.
True. Though to be fair to Green Arrow, its sales are rather stable and have been staying around the 30,000 mark for the past couple of months.

So even though the sales have dropped she isnt doing that badly yet.
It's dropped over 50% and continues to drop

She was the 14th and 15th best selling DC book in December, thats good.
And sad.

[Eros]

Take powerboy out of the book, and the sales would be much lower lol.

[Primal Slayer]

True. Though to be fair to Green Arrow, its sales are rather stable and have been staying around the 30,000 mark for the past couple of months.


It's dropped over 50% and continues to drop


And sad.

We dont know if the book will begin to stablize yet, but we will have to see the next few issues if she continues to do so, but im still happy so thats all that really matters for me and the book will still be here for the remainder of 2007 so im happy.

And since Supergirl isnt a team book that stars trinity or any of JSA, high profile writer thats name sells alone, I think she is doing a great job still. So there really is nothing to rub in at the moment.

But when it comes to Supergirl, either you hate it or you love it.

[hippie_hunter]

We dont know if the book will begin to stablize yet, but we will have to see the next few issues if she continues to do so, but im still happy so thats all that really matters for me and the book will still be here for the remainder of 2007 so im happy.
I'm curious to see when Supergirls sales will stablize. I predict that it will stablize at levels like the Batman spin-offs, Nightwing, Robin, and Catwoman. Around 30,000 - 20,000.

You know, looking at the sales charts, I wouldn't be surprised if DC decided to can Catwoman, the All-New Atom, and Blue Beetle.

And since Supergirl isnt a team book that stars trinity or any of JSA, high profile writer thats name sells alone, I think she is doing a great job still. So there really is nothing to rub in at the moment.
Supergirl is a part of the Superman line of books. Also, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman have been main characters in this book.

[blud_knight]

so are you looking for the title to fold up?

[hippie_hunter]

so are you looking for the title to fold up?
Yes, I am hoping that Supergirl gets canceled. For 2 reasons:

1. The book just plain sucks
2. I support reducing the number of Batman and Superman books.

[blud_knight]

Yes, I am hoping that Supergirl gets canceled. For 2 reasons:

1. The book just plain sucks
2. I support reducing the number of Batman and Superman books.

on number 2 there. do you not like the books, or are you just like me, and getting poor from having to buy so many books every month?

[Darthphere]

But the sales drop happened for the actually good Palmiotti/Gray and Conner issues.:csad:

[The Leaguer]

You're insane if you thought that issue was good. The correct description is "not quite as crappy."

[Darthphere]

You're insane if you thought that issue was good. The correct description is "not quite as crappy."

Well yeah.:huh:

[hippie_hunter]

on number 2 there. do you not like the books, or are you just like me, and getting poor from having to buy so many books every month?

I just think that Batman and Superman don't deserve as many books as they have. We see other heroes have only one book? Why do Batman and Superman deserve more? I think the Batman line should be reduced to simply Batman and Detective Comics and Superman be reduced to Superman and Action Comics.

[blud_knight]

I just think that Batman and Superman don't deserve as many books as they have. We see other heroes have only one book? Why do Batman and Superman deserve more? I think the Batman line should be reduced to simply Batman and Detective Comics and Superman be reduced to Superman and Action Comics.
i saw the stats on supergirl, but don't you wonder if maybe they have so many books is because of sales? Also they are arguably the two best known superheroes. Who knows. I see what you are saying though

[Primal Slayer]

Supergirl is a part of the Superman line of books. Also, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman have been main characters in this book.

They have never really been main charecters in the book, all 3 of them together have been in like 1 or 2 issues and all the other times it has been Batman making cameos for one page. Supergirl rarely interacts with Superman at the moment and even when she does he will probably show up the same amount of times Batman shows up in Nightwing.

But I agree that Batman and Superman dont need half the titles they have right now.

[WompuM]

This series seems to be leading up to some climatic battle between kara and clark. But honestly, how can she even be a threat? I'm not talking power wise or anything. Pure marketing-wise. They wont hurt superman so whats the point?

[Eros]

This series seems to be leading up to some climatic battle between kara and clark. But honestly, how can she even be a threat? I'm not talking power wise or anything. Pure marketing-wise. They wont hurt superman so whats the point?

To sell more Super-girl comics I assume.

[hippie_hunter]

i saw the stats on supergirl, but don't you wonder if maybe they have so many books is because of sales?
Asides from the 2 main Batman and Superman books (excluding All-Star and Confidential titles), the Batman books (Robin, Nightwing, and Catwoman) range between 30,000 - 20,000 and Catwoman's sales are not that great, around 22,000 this month. Manhunter sells more and that book is on the verge of cancellation. I'm pissed that they are cancelling Firestorm :cmad:. I'm scared for Aquaman and the All-New Atom.

Also they are arguably the two best known superheroes. Who knows. I see what you are saying though
They are well known but they do not deserve multiple books. The X-franchise needs multiple books. The Green Lanterns need multiple books. Not Batman and Superman. I would advocate cancelling Detective Comics and Action Comics, but with the high numbers they have (issue wise), it would be a crime to do such a thing.

[blud_knight]

^ I see. my thing is this. I really don't read marvel books that often, and I usually don't read x books at all, so I have no idea what their situation is. How many books does the X family have anyway?

[hippie_hunter]

^ I see. my thing is this. I really don't read marvel books that often, and I usually don't read x books at all, so I have no idea what their situation is. How many books does the X family have anyway?

Astonishing X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, New X-Men, Wolverine, Wolverine: Origns, X-Factor, Cable & Deadpool, New Excalibur, eXiles, and Ultimate X-Men (which is technically an Ultimate book).

Personally I think it needs a little fixing.

[blud_knight]

Astonishing X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, New X-Men, Wolverine, Wolverine: Origns, X-Factor, Cable & Deadpool, New Excalibur, eXiles, and Ultimate X-Men (which is technically an Ultimate book).

Personally I think it needs a little fixing.

crap man that is a lot of books. do stories cross all of those, because seriously that has to be a pain to collect all of them to keep a line going.

[hippie_hunter]

crap man that is a lot of books. do stories cross all of those, because seriously that has to be a pain to collect all of them to keep a line going.

No not really.

[Diamondhead]

Supergirl is a joke !

[The Leaguer]

Diamondhead is still around?

[blud_knight]

Supergirl is a joke !
which one?

[Diamondhead]

http://www.superherostuff.com/OtherItems/Images/supergirl_krypton_poster_michael_turner_2.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Sept06/universe/Supergirl_LegionOfSuperheroesTP.jpg
http://www.warlockmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/SupergirlCv10.jpg
http://www.bobscomics.com/CoversFeb06/T_SUPE6.jpg
http://dallas.caramelcomics.com/catalog/product_thumb.php?img=images%2Fsupergirl-1.jpg&w=150&h=229[IMG]

heres the place to talk all things supergirl. issues and pics.
Why women superhero characters such as supergirl is a joke!?

Because they are allow to lash out and act out of shear violence...PMS perhaps!:huh:certainly not testosteron!

Usually on comic books covers they are the one administrating the pain even strangling others that are stronger and far superior than they are!

Most comic book cover of super girl are about her doing some but kicking while their male counterpart are usually eating the dust.

And don’t forget about striking sexy poses :whatever:


Anyway Supergirl is a figment of superman’s imagination created by loneliness and giving life through his shear will when he was a teenager living on the Kent farm
Every born krytonian has this ability!
One day superman will start thinking and asking about Supergirl and when he find out !
She will slowly fade away
Just like when he found out his life on krypton wasn't real after waking up from that black manta flower that Mongul sent him as a gift for his anniversary!

(JLA TV series dudes)

[Primal Slayer]

well some people should be happy to know that Churchills last issue on Supergirl appears to be 15 and then Ale' Garza takes over for who knows how long

[The Leaguer]

I've always been a fan of Garza, even though he's quite inconsistent. However, I find it hard to believe he'll be on Supergirl, since he already has a somewhat-monthly going on in Skye Runner for WildStorm.

[WompuM]

They are well known but they do not deserve multiple books. The X-franchise needs multiple books. The Green Lanterns need multiple books. Not Batman and Superman. I would advocate cancelling Detective Comics and Action Comics, but with the high numbers they have (issue wise), it would be a crime to do such a thing.

just curious, have you actually read detective in the last year? if it comes up to cancel GLCorps or Detective, it wouldnt even take a heartbeat to get rid of GLCorps.

[blud_knight]

^as a batfan I'm going to support detective hands down. but yeah, it has been great this year. really stand out!

[04nbod]

Take powerboy out of the book, and the sales would be much lower lol.

How do you work that one out- he's only been in two issues and sales have not rose

Supergirl is a part of the Superman line of books. Also, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman have been main characters in this book.

i think supergirl has broken off superman enough now- i mean its been 50 odd years of a supergirl character she's become a hero in her own right. She's still more recognisable than most female heroes like black canary

To sell more Super-girl comics I assume.

supergirl can definitely physically hurt superman- its been shown just like he can hurt her- i'm expecting an emotional battle where all kara's self hatred comes out. she did say last issue she loved kal so why would she physically fight him. i doubt it will sell more comic books- superman fans tend to steer clear of supergirl in my experience.

[blud_knight]

^ you know I like supergirl, I'm a supes fan and I like her. wait I should be specific. I like KARA.

I'm not crazy about linda danvers.http://www.kryptonleague.com.pl/www/phpwcms_tmp/thumb_preview/3_332_FCrFKsbiZX.jpghttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-7/785459/newsupergirlkara.jpg

[Tropico]

She's still more recognisable than most female heroes like black canary.

Right, because it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that she dresses like her cousin and sporting the same big \S/ on her chest has nothing to do with making her recognizable. :dry:

[blud_knight]

^ the man does make a good point. You could put a donkey in that costume and people would know it was superASS

[Tropico]

It's like saying that Batgirl is more recognizable than Aquagirl.:rolleyes:

[fifthfiend]

you know I like supergirl, I'm a supes fan and I like her. wait I should be specific. I like KARA.

I'm not crazy about linda danvers.

I'm not crazy about you not dying in a fire.

It's like saying that Batgirl is more recognizable than Aquagirl.

I wonder how many people if you showed 'em X-23, they'd go oh hey, it's Wolverine Girl!

[Kebab gud]

i say wonder woman is more recognizable then any of them...


anyway .. im i the only one that wants kara too use the costume she has in the elseworld story Batgirl/Supergirl ?
i really like that costume..

[blud_knight]

I'm not crazy about you not dying in a fire.

yeah you rule. you really got me there:whatever:

[Primal Slayer]

Here is the page where they talk about the book

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6033/scan00248ke.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00248ke.jpg)

Some little interesting tid bits in it and where they plan on bringing Kara.

[Kebab gud]

Here is the page where they talk about the book

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6033/scan00248ke.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00248ke.jpg)

Some little interesting tid bits in it and where they plan on bringing Kara.

so she will get some meat on her bones ... and maybe a new costume? (like i said.. i like the elseworld thingi)

[04nbod]

Right, because it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that she dresses like her cousin and sporting the same big \S/ on her chest has nothing to do with making her recognizable. :dry:

right but people know more than - she's superchick. They know kara is superman's cousin she's from krypton etc. The movie helped that along alot

i say wonder woman is more recognizable then any of them...
.

i think thats obvious but supergirl and batgirl are right behind her- mainly because of the connections to their male counterparts but also because of the movies infecting the public conciousness. as well as animation

Here is the page where they talk about the book



Some little interesting tid bits in it and where they plan on bringing Kara.

i've been saying everything on that page on here for months and the haters still persist. i'm sure thats compiled from my previous posts:oldrazz:

[The Leaguer]

If they read the comic, they know how much she sucks.

[Varient]

SOME of u r scary.






































really.

[hippie_hunter]

just curious, have you actually read detective in the last year?
No, but I hear it's great. I just think that Batman and Superman only deserve one book

if it comes up to cancel GLCorps or Detective, it wouldnt even take a heartbeat to get rid of GLCorps.
I know.

[Primal Slayer]

If they read the comic, they know how much she sucks.

50,000 people seem to disagree, but what are numbers...

[Eros]

50,000 people seem to disagree, but what are numbers...

Supergirl lost 70 thousand readers at one point.

[Primal Slayer]

Ya, doesnt mean that they hate the book, but the charecter must be something worth while if she is right behind Bats and Supes in sales

[Eros]

Ya, doesnt mean that they hate the book, but the charecter must be something worth while if she is right behind Bats and Supes in sales

The word super in the title,fanboy Nostalgia, and long gone characters is why she is selling.

[Primal Slayer]

Then what were Batgirl sales like? And Superboy sales? I dont think Super in the name means automatic great sales. Superman, sure since he is Superman is highly recongized but I dont think they buy Supergirl just to add to their "Super" collection.

But Supergirl isnt "new" anymore, she has been back for like 2/3 years now, I think that appeal of the charecter is gone.

[Eros]

Then what were Batgirl sales like? And Superboy sales? I dont think Super in the name means automatic great sales. Superman, sure since he is Superman is highly recongized but I dont think they buy Supergirl just to add to their "Super" collection.

But Supergirl isnt "new" anymore, she has been back for like 2/3 years now, I think that appeal of the charecter is gone.


The 90s superboy comic ran for 100 issues, and it was an average comic most of the time IMO. Most better written comics don't get to issue 10, but crap like supergirl is a bestsller. Hey maybe it will approve, and I hope it does very soon:yay: .

[Uncanny]

I hear that "Ale' Garza" is going to becoming the new books artist permanatly for now. Churchill is leaving and Kelly is staying.

[The Leaguer]

50,000 people seem to disagree, but what are numbers...

Numbers are amounts of people with no taste.

[Primal Slayer]

ya ok.

Cant wait for isssue 14 to come out

[hippie_hunter]

50,000 people seem to disagree, but what are numbers...

At one point it had 123,400 people reading it. Now 56,600 people are reading it and it continues to drop. That means that 66,800 people dropped the book because they were dissatisfied with it. A 54% drop that hasn't even finished dropping.

There are going to be two senarios that will happen:

1. The book will stablize at the same levels that the Batman spin-off titles will. Around 30,000. These are numbers that Nightwing and Robin are experiencing

2. The book will continue to go down below the average spin-off title number and will get canceled due to massively declining sales and the piss-poor reputation it has.

I don't think that Supergirl will reach senario number quite yet. Catwoman getting canceled is inevitable based on the sales numbers.

[Primal Slayer]

ya I know. The thing with Supergirl, it started out high so it has a long way to fall. But it could always be because of who writes the book aswell since Loeb issues which were late all sold extremely well.

But I dont know what other books started out as but it just means that the same amount of people just arent interested in picking up those books either.

[04nbod]

personally i'm happy so many people gave it a try. whether they thought it was crap or just not their cup of tea and dropped it or carried on persevering with it. it goes to show how important supergirl is in the DC mythos. i remember being surprised when alex ross brought out the heroes of DC paintings and had supergirl there, not just supergirl but kara in her 1970's outfit. considering she had been gone since '86.

[Darthphere]

I found it pretty pathetic Eddie Berganza pretty much had to beg people to read Supergirl in the DC nation column.

[04nbod]

well i thought he stated the obvious- something i've been doing for a while:oldrazz:

[Uncanny]

http://dccomics.com/news/?nw=7272
Women. Who needs them?

Well, actually… I do.

Let me explain.

I'm Eddie Berganza, Group Editor of the TEEN TITANS, SUPERMAN/BATMAN, ION and the new JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA and JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA, and I'm looking to attract women to read SUPERGIRL.

When Joe Kelly took over fully with issue #9, we discussed the many paths we could take Kara in. Jeph Loeb with the incomparable Mike Turner had already created the buzz, and Greg Rucka kept your attention during his all too short run. What could Joe do? After a very serious conference call that involved Joe, our amazing penciller Ian Churchill, and my then Assistant Editor Jeanine Schaefer (she was pivotal in giving us a woman's point of view on the character—like, can Supergirl gain some weight, please?), it was decided to have Kara just try to be a real teenager. No standard hero on patrol bit here. We were gonna make Kara a typical teenager, which meant she wouldn't listen to the grownups (in her case a guy named Kal) and wouldn't appreciate being given chores (killing Kal for her dad, Zor-El). She'd just be a girl trying to find her place in the world.

Sure, some of you may not be keen that we didn't go straight into America's Sweetheart mode with her, but, hey, we know that's what she will eventually become. For us, it's the hero's journey that's interesting. I compare this to what's being done with Clark on SMALLVILLE. Already, we've seen Kara try to be normal, whether partying or in a disastrous attempt at a secret identity. She's come up short at being a wicked bad vigilante hanging with the OUTSIDERS. Now, she has a new love interest in Power Boy, a "hero" that Ian designed, keeping in mind the great attributes that are usually associated with female characters…and the reason most women don't like the super-hero genre. Like the chest window of his costume? His constant posing? Yes, he's a mimbo, but he'll be a lot worse to Kara when issue #15 hits. Then things heat up for the last daughter of Krypton with #16, when Joe is joined by new artist Ale Garza (as Ian will eventually be going on with Joe to one of my other books) and co-writer Mark Sable for a story arc that runs through issue #19, which will delve further into the fragments of Kara's past and give us a new understanding of the character.

So, ladies, I hope you'll come out to the stores and give SUPERGIRL a shot


http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000104386&tstart=0


Mark Sable:

To my knowledge, there has been absolutely no discussion of cancelling Supergirl. In fact, there are plans in place beyond my run with Joe but it's not my place to announce them.

[BrianWilly]

Hah.

Okay, Power Boy's costume is not on the same gratuity level as Power Girl's. Not in the least. If they had really designed him with the same "great attributes that are normally associated with female characters," he should be wearing something like J'onn's old costume. Sans cape. With a dog collar. And possibly the chaps must be assless.

...that last part may just be me, of course.

[Tropico]

Hah.

Okay, Power Boy's costume is not on the same gratuity level as Power Girl's. Not in the least. If they had really designed him with the same "great attributes that are normally associated with female characters," he should be wearing something like J'onn's old costume. Sans cape. With a dog collar. And possibly the chaps must be assless.

...that last part may just be me, of course.

I would never have guessed it from looking at the costume design in 52 and even in Supergirl, but I'm guessing that the costume is extremely skin tight. Especially since Cassie tells Kara that "you can see everything". It must be 70's kind of tight in the pants, I guess. From one of the panels in that same issue I'm thinking that he either he's somewhat of an Orion clone int he sense that I'm getting the impression that he probably has to use a mother box to have such good looks.

[BrianWilly]

But yeah, everything in comics is skintight, though. And all gals are ridiculously sexy, and all guys are unrealistically hot. Tightness in the pants is nothing new; the way that Alex Ross draws it, Captain Marvel's package could take over the universe. What's separating Power Boy from that, to make him particularly more "gratuitous?" An itty lil' chest window? Plastic Man has a chest window.

But going any further down that line of thought will probably take us to a whole sexism topic which I'm not particularly invested in, so let me just say that Supergirl sucks so bad she blows, and that Linda Danvers could kick her scrawny ass up and down the street.

[jaydawg]

I found it pretty pathetic Eddie Berganza pretty much had to beg people to read Supergirl in the DC nation column.

Yeah, but Dan Slott begged the Hype to read The Thing. Twice.

[blud_knight]

they just need a good writer to swoop in and make a book that is readable.

[04nbod]

they just need a good writer to swoop in and make a book that is readable.

any you would suggest?

[blud_knight]

Well the obvious choice would be Joss Whedon, because it seems to be his MO to write about powerfull women, but I think I would take a different road with this and see if Grayson was up to the task. She really impressed me with her run on No Man's Land

[Mogwai]

I think she needs more supporting cast.

[hippie_hunter]

Well the obvious choice would be Joss Whedon, because it seems to be his MO to write about powerfull women, but I think I would take a different road with this and see if Grayson was up to the task. He really impressed me with his run on No Man's Land

Grayson is a woman.

[blud_knight]

Grayson is a woman.
I'll edit that. Thanks

[Darthphere]

Yeah, but Dan Slott begged the Hype to read The Thing. Twice.

But that book was good. :o

[blud_knight]

was it

[Primal Slayer]

Garza has been talking about his plans for SG and has been showing some sketches, cant wait for him to get on the title.

[04nbod]

hope ,i like that. its seriously lacking on this thread:woot:

[blud_knight]

^ if you want hope go someplace else. if you want doom and gloom, pull up a chair

[Ultimate_Superman]

hope is found in the SV forum where they believe TW could still star in a Superman movie.

[blud_knight]

Tw?

[Eros]

Tom welling.

[The Leaguer]

Tom Welling shouldn't be Clark Kent, let alone Superman.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Tom Welling makes a great Young Clark and he would be a great Superman. He reminds me of Dean Cain's Clark Kent/Superman.

[Eros]

How does TMs clark portrayal remind you of Dean cain's superman/clark Kent? Dean cain played both superman and clark kent, and had secret identity.

[Ultimate_Superman]

He reminds me of Cains Clark but I feel if he is ever given the chance to play Superman he will be more like Cain

[blud_knight]

I guess i never even considered TW for superman. I'm sick of how he refuses to wear the costume, fly or develop his character on smallville. He just gets on my nerves a little. Thats just me. I'm sure i will get it for saying that, but there it is.

[Ultimate_Superman]

TW would make a great TV Superman, movie Superman is another story but for TV he would be great.

[The Leaguer]

Tom Welling should leave the Superman franchise and never come back.

[blud_knight]

^ hey we agree on something.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Leaguer why all the Welling hate?

[Eros]

Thats just Leaguer.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I know but still Welling isn't that bad the writers are to blame not Welling.

[blud_knight]

^ from what I understand Welling told the writers, and has it in his contract that he refuses to wear the costume, or fly again, at any point in the shows run. That is why I dislike him.

[Ultimate_Superman]

well Welling is suppose to put on the suit in the last show.

[blud_knight]

would it have killed him to wear it with the JL? He looked like some schlub that just showed up to hang out.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The main problem comes from the WB film dept. Because of them he is not allowed to ever be called Superman and they had to ask them in advance if they could use the suit. Really the WB film dept. has the final say so on what can go and can't dealing with Superman.

[blud_knight]

yeah i had a feeling it was something like that too, but I do know that welling does not want the costume.

[04nbod]

well tough, he's gonna get the costume in the last episode. it will probably be for a few seconds but thats what the series is leading up to and he knows that. After 7 years he'll be ok with giving the fans the crowning glory.

[04nbod]

speaking of smallville and given this is a supergirl thread- did you notice the similarity to raya. here's a comparison of their deaths: (scroll down to my post)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190156&page=23

[Ultimate_Superman]

well tough, he's gonna get the costume in the last episode. it will probably be for a few seconds but thats what the series is leading up to and he knows that. After 7 years he'll be ok with giving the fans the crowning glory.But thats only if the WB doesn't change its mind.

[mathhater]

That show can't end without at least one shot of Superman...costume and all. It will 100% devalue the entirety of the series. I'd like to think not even some department in the WB could be that dumb.

(But this is the same company that greenlit Catwoman and demonized the Looney Tunes, so I guess there's no limits to their stupidity.)

[blud_knight]

who knows. any idea how long the show is going to run for?

[mathhater]

who knows. any idea how long the show is going to run for?

Seven seasons is what's been planned from the start. But even now, it's not set in stone.

[Primal Slayer]

from Garzas blog

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/lexlucrative/sgirlsketches3.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/lexlucrative/sgirlsketches2.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/lexlucrative/sgirlsketches1.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/lexlucrative/sgirlsketches.jpg

[blud_knight]

^ nice style, good use of perspective. Intreguing poses. I give this an A- for sure. :):

[hippie_hunter]

I like Garza's work. I think he was more suited for Batgirl though

[batnkevlar]

That's some good work... but is Supergirl gonna get a supporting cast anytime soon?

[Primal Slayer]

She has a supporting cast: Cassie, Boomer, Powergirl, and Powerboy(for now)

Since she isnt attending school, she wont be surrounding herself with everyday people probably.

[blud_knight]

has anyone got a link to the site these came from?

[04nbod]

from Garzas blog

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/lexlucrative/sgirlsketches3.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/lexlucrative/sgirlsketches2.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/lexlucrative/sgirlsketches1.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h54/lexlucrative/sgirlsketches.jpg


so beautiful- the first one is stunning:woot:

[The Leaguer]

I'm really looking forward to this, although it makes me wonder on Skye Runner's fate. Either way, Garza is one of my favorites, so this should be great.

[04nbod]

it'll be worth nothing if there isn't a good story to go with the art

[blud_knight]

^ then lets hope there is a good one.

[hippie_hunter]

it'll be worth nothing if there isn't a good story to go with the art

Which is most likely going to happen.

[Primal Slayer]

has anyone got a link to the site these came from?
http://blog.myspace.com/lexlucrative

[blud_knight]

^ thanks

[Darthphere]

I'm really looking forward to this, although it makes me wonder on Skye Runner's fate. Either way, Garza is one of my favorites, so this should be great.

And they say you dont like anything.

[twylight]

Wel I read Didio's little snip in the back of 52 for last week.

They finally addressed all our issues with Supergirl, so I'm happy now and I look forward to thenew stuff.

I only wish they hadn't messed her up before. I don't want 'American's Sweetheart', I just want a SUpergirl who doesn't think people owe her, and I don't want an overly sexual one, which we've been getting. Because...that's not typical teenager behavior.

Still, I've re-added Supergirl to my Pull list. :up:

[Tropico]

They're giving her studs on her belt and sleeves?:confused: Isn't that a little passé or even worse a sign of someone who isn't badass trying to look badass?:o

[blud_knight]

^ she's really into Avril Lavigne these days
at least she is eating these days

[twylight]

She's extremely close to being Hot Topic Material. :o

I mean seriously, her 'purpose' of being alive is to kill Superman. Kinda a stupid reason for angst. I don't even understand why her father wanted him killed? Professional and family jealousy? o.O

Seems kinda flimsy, even for a comic. But I hope that they don't dwell on it to much.