the supergirl thread

[BrianWilly]

I'll kill you:cmad:.

[LouFerignoDemon]

But seriously, she's the mother ****ing princess.:rolleyes::csad: I listen to her music.

You make it hard to like you. :o

[Anubis]

You don't have the stones. :o

[Kevin]

COMICBOY, what did you think of Powerboy?
Ok, Powerboy, from the start, was cute. Not like hot cute, but boyscout "Aww" cute. He was adorable.... then we find the pictures at his place, and then he hits Kara. He lost points. Overall, I like hm, he just needs to calm the **** down. Kara needs the pussify him a bit, and he's kool. Now, he was hot though. I'd do him in a second. Hope he wouldn't finish in a second.:(

[GoldenAgeHero]

^^the ****?!

[Anubis]

He's gay.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't think GAH knew that. I wonder how he'll respond.

Though I agree with whatshisface. Power Boy did have a...raw sexuality about him.

[Anubis]

Chicks dig the guy that will smack em in the mouth.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Only because it gives me carpe blanche to test my experiments on him.

[shapeshifter]

I have nothing against Linda, I'm just not crazy about this costume
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/ektron-content/1990s_0807.jpg
I wish they would put her in her old blue number again someday.
Kara's costume isint bad but I do find it a little hard to believe that Martha Kent made it for her. Tad ****ty.
http://www.superherotimes.com/news/images/sg01_400x600.jpg

[LouFerignoDemon]

Funny, as Kara's a tad ****ty. j/k

She just sucks.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Ok, Powerboy, from the start, was cute. Not like hot cute, but boyscout "Aww" cute. He was adorable.... then we find the pictures at his place, and then he hits Kara. He lost points. Overall, I like hm, he just needs to calm the **** down. Kara needs the pussify him a bit, and he's kool. Now, he was hot though. I'd do him in a second. Hope he wouldn't finish in a second.:(

He's gay.

I don't think GAH knew that. I wonder how he'll respond.

Though I agree with whatshisface. Power Boy did have a...raw sexuality about him.


no i knew he was gay, but the whole description crept me out.........

Funny, as Kara's a tad ****ty. j/k

She just sucks.


every girl has ****ty side, even you.:cwink::woot::dry:

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol Trust me, if you met me, you'd think I'm like the poster child for abstinence.

I split from my ****ty side just a little over 22 years ago.

[shapeshifter]

If kara would quit whining and act like a hero i could see myself forgiving her past. maybe.

[GoldenAgeHero]

lol Trust me, if you met me, you'd think I'm like the poster child for abstinence.

I split from my ****ty side just a little over 22 years ago.


:csad::down:down:down

[Knives122]

lol Trust me, if you met me, you'd think I'm like the poster child for abstinence.

I split from my ****ty side just a little over 22 years ago.

............How old does that make you?

But yeah, I'm not liking the new design. Keep the current artist.

[BrianWilly]

I thought Power Boy was a big joke. Kelly kept going on about how they were finally giving us a "mimbo" and how he was gonna be all sexay for da ladays or whatever and then...that's it? You finally get around to intentionally creating an exploitive male character, and this is the best you can come up with??http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/dday/laugh.gif

'Course, my standards are pretty high when it comes to that sort of thing.

[Kevin]

I have nothing against Linda, I'm just not crazy about this costume
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/ektron-content/1990s_0807.jpg
I wish they would put her in her old blue number again someday.
Kara's costume isint bad but I do find it a little hard to believe that Martha Kent made it for her. Tad ****ty.
http://www.superherotimes.com/news/images/sg01_400x600.jpg
I was always a fan of the White shirt Supergirl.

And Another thing about the series, I first met Boomer (Owen) in Robin and liked him. This has made me like him even more. He's a pig. I like that. And GAH, get over it.

[GoldenAgeHero]

nevah!!!

[Kevin]

Ok.:csad::heart:

[GoldenAgeHero]

we're cool.

[fifthfiend]

If kara would quit whining and act like a hero i could see myself forgiving her past. maybe.

At this point nothing can redeem Kara short of full-scale retcon. Like Hal Jordan after he murdered the universe, except Kara's even more awful than that.

[BizarroAids]

So I've just read the whole series today. My eyes hurt. A lot of **** went down, and the series, for me, is hit/miss. I can tell you one thing, though: I hated that ****ing candor(sp) arc, as I don't know what the **** was happening. I've Only read up to issue 17, did 18 come out yet? And What does that *b**** (*love her) mean that Kara isn't the real supergirl?? And why do I get the sick feeling that the word "pre-crisis" is going to come up?

We have something in common. I too recently went back and read the series, and I'm enjoying it alot. I totally have to agree that the Kandor arc was horrid, it was the one time my girlfriend and I didn't debate the book.

18 isn't out yet, as far as I'm concerned. But I didn't get to go to the comic shop this week to make sure.

And not knowing alot about Powerboy, I had no idea what made him freak out like that. Has he always been that way?? She needs to pick a guy and stick with one.....and of course, she needs to quit leading on Boomer.

[Primal Slayer]

Powerboy was only introduced last year in 52 and made minor appearances. He ended up being jelous when Kara wouldnt spend all the time he wanted her to with him.

And how does she need to pick a guy? PB is her first boyfriend and she hasnt had any others. And the whole thing with Boomer was looked at in the current issue.

[BizarroAids]

Powerboy was only introduced last year in 52 and made minor appearances. He ended up being jelous when Kara wouldnt spend all the time he wanted her to with him.

And how does she need to pick a guy? PB is her first boyfriend and she hasnt had any others. And the whole thing with Boomer was looked at in the current issue.

Thanks for clearing that up about Powerboy. Like I said, don't know too much about him. And I'm sorry but I might have said it wrong. What I mean is. Seems to me, like she always has a new crush, especially just gawking over Nightwing all the time. But after recent events, it's safe to say that her and Powerboy are no longer an item.

The whole thing with Boomer by what I mean, happened way back in 9 or 11. Where she seemed like she was flirtatiously leading him on, only to say she doesnt like him like that. But in 17 she only wanted to visit him in the hospital,then ended up having to save him. I didn't think anything was really discussed. But if I'm wrong, by all means, correct me. That's just the way I had interpereted it.:cwink:

[Varient]

*comment*
In LOSH,.. You get the glimmers of why in OYL shes so sweet while standing in for the depowered Superman,...

Gosh,.... they might just pull it off.

[shapeshifter]

I know I am weeks late but OMG this is frikkin genius! This needs to be continued LOL

I love the Bizarro one.

as funny as that photoshop is. it kind of bummed me out. It shows just how generic that artwork is. He draws women with a bit of variety, but all of his guys are so easly represented because they look like the same person in different clothes.
I know they just used superman and photoshopped his duds but it looked just like the artist did it.:csad:

[shapeshifter]

hey not to be that guy who posts right after himself, but I finally found someone who reminds me of Kara in almost every way.
http://roygual.sphosting.com/obrazki/paris_hilton1212.jpg
by the way, I think searching for pics of paris gave my computer crabs

[Orko Is King]

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed2.jpg

[Knives122]

MY EYES!!!!

Never show me those pics again.

[fifthfiend]

I want to be amazed by her not looking like a bulemic crack whore anymore, but what I'm really amazed by is someone saw fit to give her an actual decent ****ing pair of shorts.

The long sleeves / bare midriff combo even look less stupid now, somehow. I think they might have actually got rid of those stupid ****ing yellow ribbons.

I'm actually a little frightened here. I mean I've been hurt this way before, it's not easy letting yourself hope again.

[Mogwai]

I like those pics, but Turner's version of her is the that stands out the most IMO.

[fifthfiend]

Stands out like someone who's whoring cause she's on crack.

[Primal Slayer]

Stands out like someone who's whoring cause she's on crack.

To each their own. Someone whoring around and on crack looks 100% worse then that.

[04nbod]

hey not to be that guy who posts right after himself, but I finally found someone who reminds me of Kara in almost every way.
http://roygual.sphosting.com/obrazki/paris_hilton1212.jpg
by the way, I think searching for pics of paris gave my computer crabs


ewwww.....paris should star in a black canary movie:o

[Arkady Rossovich]

MY EYES!!!!

Never show me those pics again.

I know,where is the short skirts?The indecent exposure?The eye candy?I can understand that comics wise,Supergirl has been quiet for quite some time..but this?

[04nbod]

i got the recent supergirl issue and action comics yesterday- a few thoughts
-loved her in action comics, such a teenager!
-I was SHOCKED by the ending of supergirl but confused (i think i may have missed an issue i need to check) is this a vision and not reality? Who is giving it to her if this is the case? Is that pre crisis kara?!

overall nothing very special in what i bought- (i'm not one for the clark kent story retold AGAIN! in action comics) but enjoyable nontheless

[LouFerignoDemon]

SPOILERS!!! SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!! I hate you so muuuuch!!! :csad:



j/k

[Kebab gud]

i got the recent supergirl issue and action comics yesterday- a few thoughts
-loved her in action comics, such a teenager!
-I was SHOCKED by the ending of supergirl but confused (i think i may have missed an issue i need to check) is this a vision and not reality? Who is giving it to her if this is the case? Is that pre crisis kara?!

overall nothing very special in what i bought- (i'm not one for the clark kent story retold AGAIN! in action comics) but enjoyable nontheless

Its an ongoing Arc in supergirl.. wait and see..

[Primal Slayer]

Supergirl #18 Spoilers

So this was a great issue I thought, the art on the first half of the issue wasnt that great but when Garza took over again it was all good.

We start out the issue with the "Real" Supergirl who we were introduced to last issue kicking Karas butt through Metropolis. She calls her an abomination and how fake of a Supergirl she is.

All the hate that Kara has been getting by people online was basically raised in throughout the first half of hte issue.

"Real" Supergirl taunts Kara with:

"The universe made a mistake with you, your time is done"
"The thing you are..The Darkness..The ugliness.It's made the world sick. Your cancer>"
"Supergirl does the right thing. All of the time..and she does it with a smile."
"A balanced Supergirl would have seen that..you were probably having another one of those perverse flashbacks."
"Supergirl is happy. Im fiery! Im inspirational. People look to Supergirl to forget their problems, to see someone who can theach them to do it better. Who wants a Supergirl with the same problems they have?"
"Supergirl is a good girl blessed with the same powers and disposition as her cousin"

"Supergirl" taunts Kara into merging with her to take away all of her problems and as they do so, it just makes Kara bust through what is an illusion with "Supergirl doesnt give up. Never!"

It turns out that the "Supergirl" that showed up last issue was non other then Dark Angel, who is one of the Moniters agents who went to the extreme to try to get rid of Kara by puting her through all of those tests (Batgirl, the emotion demons, etc..)

It is then revealed that Kara has been trapped in Dark Angels illusion for the last month it seems after she blew up the father box. As the two duke it out a Moniter appears and takes away Dark Angel for over stepping her bounds and explains to Kara what was going on with the anomalies who were suppose to have died but lived ( we see a brief image of Donna/Kyle/Dick) And the Moniter deciedes that Kara is the real Supergirl and that the universe has great things for her.

And we end the issue with what looks like Kara getting attacked again (probably by Felix Faust since he was released by Dark Angel not to long ago to cause turmoil in Karas life)



All in all apart from the art I thought it was a great issue and cant to see Kellys last issue.

[Kevin]

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006315

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_07/0sgbed2.jpg
I'm fine with it.

[Kevin]

hey not to be that guy who posts right after himself, but I finally found someone who reminds me of Kara in almost every way.
http://roygual.sphosting.com/obrazki/paris_hilton1212.jpg
by the way, I think searching for pics of paris gave my computer crabs
MY EYES!!!!

Never show me this picture again, her bug looking skinny ass. No girl should look like that. Ew.

[04nbod]

Supergirl #18 Spoilers

So this was a great issue I thought, the art on the first half of the issue wasnt that great but when Garza took over again it was all good.

We start out the issue with the "Real" Supergirl who we were introduced to last issue kicking Karas butt through Metropolis. She calls her an abomination and how fake of a Supergirl she is.

All the hate that Kara has been getting by people online was basically raised in throughout the first half of hte issue.

"Real" Supergirl taunts Kara with:

"The universe made a mistake with you, your time is done"
"The thing you are..The Darkness..The ugliness.It's made the world sick. Your cancer>"
"Supergirl does the right thing. All of the time..and she does it with a smile."
"A balanced Supergirl would have seen that..you were probably having another one of those perverse flashbacks."
"Supergirl is happy. Im fiery! Im inspirational. People look to Supergirl to forget their problems, to see someone who can theach them to do it better. Who wants a Supergirl with the same problems they have?"
"Supergirl is a good girl blessed with the same powers and disposition as her cousin"

"Supergirl" taunts Kara into merging with her to take away all of her problems and as they do so, it just makes Kara bust through what is an illusion with "Supergirl doesnt give up. Never!"

It turns out that the "Supergirl" that showed up last issue was non other then Dark Angel, who is one of the Moniters agents who went to the extreme to try to get rid of Kara by puting her through all of those tests (Batgirl, the emotion demons, etc..)

It is then revealed that Kara has been trapped in Dark Angels illusion for the last month it seems after she blew up the father box. As the two duke it out a Moniter appears and takes away Dark Angel for over stepping her bounds and explains to Kara what was going on with the anomalies who were suppose to have died but lived ( we see a brief image of Donna/Kyle/Dick) And the Moniter deciedes that Kara is the real Supergirl and that the universe has great things for her.

And we end the issue with what looks like Kara getting attacked again (probably by Felix Faust since he was released by Dark Angel not to long ago to cause turmoil in Karas life)



All in all apart from the art I thought it was a great issue and cant to see Kellys last issue.

i love that mainly because people are annoyed about this kara having issues being emo etc and the 'fake kara'(i assume in the image of pre crisis kara) is so 1950's. Womens rights in the stone ages- "Supergirl does the right thing. All of the time..and she does it with a smile.","Supergirl is a good girl blessed with the same powers and disposition as her cousin"
lines like that don't belong in comics today.:woot:

[fifthfiend]

i love that mainly because people are annoyed about this kara having issues being emo etc and the 'fake kara'(i assume in the image of pre crisis kara) is so 1950's. Womens rights in the stone ages- "Supergirl does the right thing. All of the time..and she does it with a smile.","Supergirl is a good girl blessed with the same powers and disposition as her cousin"
lines like that don't belong in comics today.:woot:

It doesn't particularly surprise me that the writers of this ****ty comic would mistake people's desire for a character who is not a Mary Sue as played by Paris Hilton, for a desire for an even more ****tily written character than their current, ****tily written, character.

I mean forget about actually being able to comprehend any actual criticism lodged against the character, apparently Kelly has never so much as actually read 1950s Supergirl.

Congratulations Joe Kelly on this resounding victory in the War on Straw.

being emo

?

Nobody's criticized her for being emo.

[CConn]

I like Pre-Crisis Supergirl. :(

Bedard's comments have raised my hopes a bit for his run. He didn't say anything definitive, but at least he seems to think of portraying Supergirl as a normal teenage girl rather than a semi-schizophrenic in a comic where nothing makes sense until the last three pages.

[Supergirl]

I like Pre-Crisis Supergirl. :(

Bedard's comments have raised my hopes a bit for his run. He didn't say anything definitive, but at least he seems to think of portraying Supergirl as a normal teenage girl rather than a semi-schizophrenic in a comic where nothing makes sense until the last three pages.
Ditto... I miss the real Kara :(

[Primal Slayer]

You miss the original Kara, there is no real Kara. Just like how there isnt any real Superman Batman WonderWoman. All the charecters have had different interpretations of each other and this is the one they are going with now. Might as well learn to live with it. If you dont like it dont bother picking up anything with her in it.

[CConn]

You miss the original Kara, there is no real Kara. Just like how there isnt any real Superman Batman WonderWoman. All the charecters have had different interpretations of each other and this is the one they are going with now. Might as well learn to live with it. If you dont like it dont bother picking up anything with her in it.
You're right. From now on I'll be sure to refer to Pre-Crisis Kara simply as "The Supergirl who doesn't suck ass".

Also, while your "don't like it, don't read it" thing is all well and good for the main Supergirl title, unfortunately, Supergirl appears in more than just her one title. She's in Brave and the Bold and will be in Teen Titans. Two series I buy not for Supergirl, but for the other characters in them. To tell me that I should stop buying them - deprive myself of characters and stories I do like - because of it having Supergirl is stupid.

The current version of Supergirl sucks, IMO. And I have just as much right to criticize her as you are to praise her.

[Kevin]

Uh-Oh... Girl Fight! Girl Fight! Well, Supergirl fight.:o

[Spike_x1]

You're right. From now on I'll be sure to refer to Pre-Crisis Kara simply as "The Supergirl who doesn't suck ass".

Also, while your "don't like it, don't read it" thing is all well and good for the main Supergirl title, unfortunately, Supergirl appears in more than just her one title. She's in Brave and the Bold and will be in Teen Titans. Two series I buy not for Supergirl, but for the other characters in them. To tell me that I should stop buying them - deprive myself of characters and stories I do like - because of it having Supergirl is stupid.

The current version of Supergirl sucks, IMO. And I have just as much right to criticize her as you are to praise her.LIES!!! ALL LIES!!! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[Primal Slayer]

You're right. From now on I'll be sure to refer to Pre-Crisis Kara simply as "The Supergirl who doesn't suck ass".

Also, while your "don't like it, don't read it" thing is all well and good for the main Supergirl title, unfortunately, Supergirl appears in more than just her one title. She's in Brave and the Bold and will be in Teen Titans. Two series I buy not for Supergirl, but for the other characters in them. To tell me that I should stop buying them - deprive myself of characters and stories I do like - because of it having Supergirl is stupid.

The current version of Supergirl sucks, IMO. And I have just as much right to criticize her as you are to praise her.

Never said you didnt have a right to criticize her, it only adds to the fun of sticking up for her.

But only one more Kelly issue to go then a new creative team comes in all together so peoples view of her may start to change.

[CConn]

Never said you didnt have a right to criticize her, it only adds to the fun of sticking up for her.

But only one more Kelly issue to go then a new creative team comes in all together so peoples view of her may start to change.
I certainly hope so. I actually really like Waid's characterization of her in Brave and the Bold. This is actually a character I really want to like, so as soon as a writer throws me a bone with her, I'm there. If McKeever can take a page from Waid in Teen Titans, she could easily be one of my favorite members.

[Mogwai]

^^I have a feeling McKeever will do her justice.

[CConn]

As do I, actually. :up:

[fifthfiend]

You're right. From now on I'll be sure to refer to Pre-Crisis Kara simply as "The Supergirl who doesn't suck ass".

That seems unnecessarily harsh towards Matrix Supergirl. Not that I'm saying she didn't have her faults.

Perhaps "the Kara who doesn't suck ass"?

This is actually a character I really want to like

You and possibly every other comics fan in existence, which is really sort of the whole nub of the thing. I mean just by sales figures alone, a book debuting to blockbuster figures only to lose what, half? two thirds? of its audience inside of 15 issues speaks to the woefully blundering execution of a core concept of almost inestimable intrinsic appeal. As I've had occasion to remark all too many times, it is truly incredible just how hard DC had to work to make me not want to read comic books about Kara Zor-El, Superman's cousin Supergirl.

I actually really like Waid's characterization of her in Brave and the Bold.

I like how Waid makes her bearable basically by writing her as a completely different character.

Bonus points for the entiret of his Legion of Super Heroes run constituting the ongoing counterpoint to every single crazy**** thing Joe Kelly had to say in that last Supergirl issue.

[Supergirl]

I certainly hope so. I actually really like Waid's characterization of her in Brave and the Bold. This is actually a character I really want to like, so as soon as a writer throws me a bone with her, I'm there. If McKeever can take a page from Waid in Teen Titans, she could easily be one of my favorite members.Ditto. I had SUCH high hopes when it was announced that KARA from KRYPTON was coming back. Only to have them dashed by the bad writing of Loeb and Kelly. Two writers I might add, that I never thought would be in a sentence involving 'bad writing'. Waid's Kara brings me hope.

That seems unnecessarily harsh towards Matrix Supergirl. Not that I'm saying she didn't have her faults.

Perhaps "the Kara who doesn't suck ass"?
Nope, not harsh at all. The Matrix Supergirl was SGINO. Supergirl is, was, and should always be: Superman's cousin from Krypton. Not some protoplasmic, other dimensional, shapeshifting blob, turned fallen angel turned teenybopper.

[Anubis]

I blame John Byrne.

[Supergirl]

Hear hear! :applauds:

[CConn]

If Spike_x1 comes anywhere near this thread now, I'm putting you all on ignore for a month.

[Supergirl]

Why? :huh:

[CConn]

Because if you mention Bryne he immediately launches into an 800 word essay on why the Bryne origin and indeed the entirety of Superman comics over the past 20 years should forever remain encrusted in undying continuity.

[Supergirl]

Oh :o I blame Anubis if that happens. :o

[Spike_x1]

Because if you mention Bryne he immediately launches into an 800 word essay on why the Bryne origin and indeed the entirety of Superman comics over the past 20 years should forever remain encrusted in undying continuity.Wow. It's just my personal preference. Please don't cry. :csad:

[Primal Slayer]

That seems unnecessarily harsh towards Matrix Supergirl. Not that I'm saying she didn't have her faults.

Perhaps "the Kara who doesn't suck ass"?



You and possibly every other comics fan in existence, which is really sort of the whole nub of the thing. I mean just by sales figures alone, a book debuting to blockbuster figures only to lose what, half? two thirds? of its audience inside of 15 issues speaks to the woefully blundering execution of a core concept of almost inestimable intrinsic appeal. As I've had occasion to remark all too many times, it is truly incredible just how hard DC had to work to make me not want to read comic books about Kara Zor-El, Superman's cousin Supergirl.


Have you seen the other premire books that DC has brought about? Flash lost more audience quicker then Supergirl did as did WonderWoman.

WW 60,000 (started out with 132,000+)
Flash 40,000+ (started out with 120,000+)

She wouldnt stay a huge power hit forever, plus there were a lot of things that helped her be so high when she premired. She was written by a very well-known writer with a huge fanbase, was promoted like crazy in basically every book and had variant covers for 4 issues.

I can understand people missing the original Supergirl but im glad that she is happy go lucky and that she is a bit darker and has more spunk. SHe isnt just the female Superman, she is Kara Zor-El, her own person in every way. And I hope future writers dont turn her into pre-crisis Supergirl. And ofcourse Loeb bringing back Supergirl is what got me back into comics in the first place so as long as they dont do major changes to her and make her Mary Marvel with an S on her chest, I will probably be ok.

[fifthfiend]

Have you seen the other premire books that DC has brought about? Flash lost more audience quicker then Supergirl did as did WonderWoman.

WW 60,000 (started out with 132,000+)
Flash 40,000+ (started out with 120,000+)

I don't particularly see either of those as contradicting my point re: horribly mismanaged executions.

SHe isnt just the female Superman, she is Kara Zor-El, her own person in every way.

If she were actually her own person, she'd go stop a crime somewhere or something, instead of beating up superheroes or trying to murder Superman or fighting her own hallucinations or whatever she does anymore.

I can't think of anybody other than the voices in Joe Kelly's head who thinks that Supergirl shouldn't be her own person, I just don't see her being her own person is somehow incompatible with her being a completely awful and totally uninteresting person.

And again, Waid's Supergirl has great heaping gobs of darkness and spunk and what-have-you, while also being a character who is not wretchedly godawful.

[BrianWilly]

Next month: Supergirl fights Superman!

Again.

Fcking AGAIN.

And Kelly is seriously wondering why people hate her skinny ass?? Take a good, long look at her solo career. Name more than two villains she has fought. Seriously, just more than two villains. Even Power Boy and Batgirl were heroes once!!

[Kitsune]

I blame John Byrne.

I blame him for global warming

[Spike_x1]

I blame DC for not allowing Kara to be from Krypton until recent years. It was their mandate. Not Byrne's. They told Bruce Timm and the STAS team the same thing, but at least they found a loophole for use in the show, and, to their credit, didn't bother listening at all to DC's other rules pertaining to Supergirl at the time. :up:

[Primal Slayer]

I don't particularly see either of those as contradicting my point re: horribly mismanaged executions.



If she were actually her own person, she'd go stop a crime somewhere or something, instead of beating up superheroes or trying to murder Superman or fighting her own hallucinations or whatever she does anymore.

I can't think of anybody other than the voices in Joe Kelly's head who thinks that Supergirl shouldn't be her own person, I just don't see her being her own person is somehow incompatible with her being a completely awful and totally uninteresting person.

And again, Waid's Supergirl has great heaping gobs of darkness and spunk and what-have-you, while also being a character who is not wretchedly godawful.

When did she go beat up other heroes? People say this all the time but she never started a fight with any hero. Other heroes have attacked her. She briefly had a tiff with the Titans, never layed a hand on PG, and her evil half faught the JLA. And you cant use Batgirl and Powerboy as heroes when she fought them since Batgirl was already a villan by the time she fought her and Powerboy went crazy on her, plus he was sent there by Darksied in the first place. He only played good boy to try and win Kara over.

And lets not go with covers, people got pissed when the Supergirl vs. Powergirl cover for issue 8 came out and looked at what happened in that issue? They didnt even fight. Just because she fights Supes on a cover doesnt mean that it will be in the issue, there is a possibility but doesnt mean it will happen. And she has punched Superman like once during her whole time here and that was when she was brainwashed, so its not like she goes around figthing Superman all the time.

And for villans she has fought in her title:

Poison Ivy/Harley/Clayface/Lex Luthor/fish people(whatever they were/An evil dinosaur/Those empath assasins/Ultraman/Dark Angel/Solomon Grundy/Batgirl

Superheroes that have attacked her:
Superboy/WonderGirl/Raven/PowerGirl

Heroes "Evil" Supergirl has fought:
The JLA: Flash/Green lantern/WW/Batman/Superman/Martian Manhunter

Heroes that Supergirl has attacked:

Heroes Supergirl has trained with:
The Outsiders

[batnkevlar]

I would consider Powerboy a Supergirl villain...

[BrianWilly]

He was a Teen Titan before.

[Primal Slayer]

He was Titan for like a day. He had more page time in Supergirl then he ever did with the Titans. And he was basically created for Supergirl.

[Kevin]

I would consider Powerboy a Supergirl villain...
But man was he hot...:o

[Anubis]

I don't know the context, cuz I don't read this book, but maybe it has something to do with what's going on in Superman, where Arion has just magically taken control of Supes and sent him on a mission to kill every alien or extra dimensional being on the planet.

[CConn]

I doubt the Supergirl writers aren nearly good enough to make up something that close to rational. :o

[Varient]

....................................
As in: My wait and see if she improves is stretched almost as far as it can go,..

[Anubis]

I doubt the Supergirl writers aren nearly good enough to make up something that close to rational. :o


Isn't Kelly writing SG? Cuz he's a great writer. Wrote probably the best Superman Story ever written. Unless it's somebody else. Like I said, I'm not reading it.

[BrianWilly]

Highly doubt it. If anything, Supergirl has been giving allusions of crossing over to Countdown, not to anything in the Superman books.

Props for not reading it, though.

[Primal Slayer]

All the memories Kara has had up to issue 16 have been false and seen in the wrong context. She thought she had to kill Kal-El but she doesnt, the memories were part of Dark Angel playing with her. And Felix Faust is most likely in the next issue which will probably mean mind control/illusions will be in play on Superman or Supergirl.

[The Leaguer]

Isn't Kelly writing SG? Cuz he's a great writer. Wrote probably the best Superman Story ever written. Unless it's somebody else. Like I said, I'm not reading it.

Yes, Kelly is writing Supergirl, and yes, the title still sucks. Neither Rucka nor Kelly could write Supergirl as she was originally intended and have her not suck.

[Anubis]

I guess it's time to just drastically change her entire personality and act like all this other stuff never even happened.

[Primal Slayer]

So here is what happened in Kellys last issue:

Kara is confronted by Faust, the two fight it out a bit and Faust ends up winning by putting Kara under mind control and sends her to kill Superman. She starts out by taking down people closest to Clark, knocking out Lois Lane, tying up WW in her lasso and knocking Bats on his butt. Superman arrives and gives her a long speech and she is like "whatever" she takes out a crystal stake and attempts to stab him but he stops her and she then punches him and the two duke it out for a bit. Superman refuses to fight her anymore and it is making Kara pissed off, she screams at him "Fight me you coward!", she keeps hitting him in frustration then snaps out of the mind control. She makes amends with the people she doublecrossed in the issue. She and Supes goto to find Faust and they send him back to hell.







Ofcourse I am just lieing

The real SG:19

We start out the issue by seeing Pariah talking to SG (yes he is back), Dark Angel brings him back so he can show Kara her possible dark past and future. The two talk it out and he tells her that she passed every test by going to the third option: Hope. KAra is sent back to earth all happy and sporting a new hair-do. She makes amends with EVERYONE. She apologizes to Boomer, Cassie, PowerGirl (who doesnt accept it yet), Lois and Clark. THe issue ends with Kara and Clark hugging and racing off to the fortress.

Oh and Powerboy is NOT dead. He sends Kara flowers saying he forgives her

You just really need to read it for yourself since it reads better then I write.

But it was my favorite issue of the comic so far and Kelly ended it so greatly.

It was also funny

[CConn]

So wait, it ends with Kara admitting she's been a stupid skank and promises to not be a stupid skank anymore?

[Primal Slayer]

So wait, it ends with Kara admitting she's been a stupid skank and promises to not be a stupid skank anymore?

ya kind of except for hte whole skank thing. She apologizes to Boomer for leading him on, she apologizes to PowerGirl for Kandor and that she was stupid as hell, its just a really good fun issue. Plus she wears a headband which looks good on her.

[TheCorpulent1]

ya kind of except for hte whole skank thing. She apologizes to Boomer for leading him on, she apologizes to PowerGirl for Kandor and that she was stupid as hell, its just a really good fun issue. Plus she wears a headband which looks good on her.
I don't know, the stuff you say she apologized for scream "stupid skank" to me. :confused:

[Primal Slayer]

I dont view her as a skank so I dont see it that way, but whatever flows your boat..

[TheCorpulent1]

Nothing flows my boat. How does a boat even flow? :confused:

[Anubis]

Floats your boat is the saying.

[TheCorpulent1]

"Flows your boat" is what he's saying. :o

[Anubis]

Yeah, that's just dumb.

[CConn]

So, technically, it is now possible for Supergirl, as a character, to not suck an incredible amount of ass anymore, right?

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, that's a pretty big leap from apologizing for just a couple of her stupid actions.

[Primal Slayer]

So, technically, it is now possible for Supergirl, as a character, to not suck an incredible amount of ass anymore, right?

Ya pretty much. Now its just up to the next creative team to stick to it and not go back to the whole emotional withdrawing thing.

[Anubis]

I guess it's time to just drastically change her entire personality and act like all this other stuff never even happened.

ah hem

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, Nubs, you think it's time for them to change Supergirl's personality and pretend all this other stuff never happened?

[Anubis]

You know what? I think I do.

[TheCorpulent1]

I must be a mind reader. :up:

[hippie_hunter]

So, technically, it is now possible for Supergirl, as a character, to not suck an incredible amount of ass anymore, right?

Actually she only really sucks an iincredible amount of ass in her own book. She's been written rather well in her other appearances outside though like in JLA and Action Comics.

Or even in Beechen's run on Teen Titans, although to be fair, that's only because Wonder Girl sucks so much in that book right now that anyone else next to her looks good in comparison.

[TheCorpulent1]

She's been fairly obnoxious whenever she speaks in Legion, too.

[CConn]

Actually she only really sucks an iincredible amount of ass in her own book. She's been written rather well in her other appearances outside though like in JLA and Action Comics.

Or even in Beechen's run on Teen Titans, although to be fair, that's only because Wonder Girl sucks so much in that book right now that anyone else next to her looks good in comparison.
I really haven't seen her in JLA.

She's just dandy in Brave and the Bold, though.

[hippie_hunter]

I really haven't seen her in JLA.
I mean pre relaunch JLA in Johns and Heinbergs' run when she was on Themescrya.

She's just dandy in Brave and the Bold, though.
16! 16! 16!

[TheCorpulent1]

That nonsense about how she was holding back against Lobo was retarded. I so wanted Lobo to smack the **** out of her for that.

Otherwise, yeah, she was all right in Brave and the Bold in that she wasn't excessively annoying.

[CConn]

I don't really mind Supergirl being annoying. I mean, Pre-Crisis Supergirl was kinda annoying in a Mary Marvel kinda way. It's her being Toven without the wit and intelligence that pisses me off. :down

[fifthfiend]

Hey, Nubs, you think it's time for them to change Supergirl's personality and pretend all this other stuff never happened?

I'd be all for it except I sort of suspect they're going to change her personality and pretend all this stuff never happened and yet have her continue to be totally crap-tacular in pretty much exactly the same ways.

I don't really mind Supergirl being annoying. I mean, Pre-Crisis Supergirl was kinda annoying in a Mary Marvel kinda way. It's her being Toven without the wit and intelligence that pisses me off. :down

I could actually stand her being annoying and crappy if it weren't for the way the writers keep insisting that she's actually totally fantastic and we should just be falling all over ourselves to see who can adore her the hardest, despite her complete and utter lack of any redeeming characteristics.

[Primal Slayer]

Here are some scans from the issue:
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2487/pic006fj6.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic006fj6.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9402/pic012si8.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic012si8.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6272/pic026gt7.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic026gt7.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6298/pic029hm6.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic029hm6.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3452/pic032as1.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic032as1.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3285/pic038oo3.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic038oo3.jpg)

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha, Supergirl looks retarded with that headband.

[Kebab gud]

Sooo... Supergirl #19 happens before Brave and the bold..
as she is 16 in this and 17 in B&B :p

[Primal Slayer]

I think she looks ok with it on. But might as well get used to seeing it on her as long as Garza draws the charecter.

[TheCorpulent1]

I plan on trying to ignore her and focus on the Blue Beetle and Kid Devil--you know, the Titans' only good characters--when McKeever comes on.

[Primal Slayer]

Sooo... Supergirl #19 happens before Brave and the bold..

as she is 16 in this and 17 in B&B

It most likely does, but I still think she is 17 during this issue, just Boomer looks at her as a 16 yr old to remind himself of jail-bait easier.

[CConn]

Here are some scans from the issue:
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2487/pic006fj6.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic006fj6.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9402/pic012si8.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic012si8.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6272/pic026gt7.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic026gt7.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6298/pic029hm6.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic029hm6.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3452/pic032as1.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic032as1.jpg) http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3285/pic038oo3.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic038oo3.jpg)My God, is Supergirl's writing so horrible. Even the simplest things make no ****ing sense.
I plan on trying to ignore her and focus on the Blue Beetle and Kid Devil--you know, the Titans' only good characters--when McKeever comes on.You're so retarded sometimes. :(

[Darthphere]

Everyone saying this issue was the best so far is the equivalent of me saying my last fart smelled the best.

[TheCorpulent1]

You're so retarded sometimes. :(
Only sometimes? I'm off my game. :(

[Primal Slayer]

My God, is Supergirl's writing so horrible. Even the simplest things make no ****ing sense.
You're so retarded sometimes. :(

ok what makes no sense? Have you read the entire issue yet?

[fifthfiend]

My God, is Supergirl's writing so horrible. Even the simplest things make no ****ing sense.

I like how they make no attempt to explain why she's wearing a ****ing headband.

It most likely does, but I still think she is 17 during this issue, just Boomer looks at her as a 16 yr old to remind himself of jail-bait easier.

One way or the other, she'd be legal to **** in the District of Columbia.

And why is that, you ask?

Cause Congressmen like ****ing 17-year-olds.

God Bless America.

[Le Diable Blanc]

Just thought I'd share my manip of Supergirl for the TV show Smallville. I know it's not comics but hey, it's Supergirl ;)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5748/smallvillepromohw6.jpg

[Eros]

Thats not even supergirl, thats just Tom welling clark kent character holding Kirsten Bell, who isn't even Playing supergirl on the show.

[Le Diable Blanc]

Thats not even supergirl, thats just Tom welling clark kent character holding Kirsten Bell, who isn't even Playing supergirl on the show.

She might soon.

[Eros]

She might soon.


No.:huh:

[Le Diable Blanc]

Supergirl will be added to the show next season, rumor has it Kristen Bell might land the role.

[sethcohen]

thats kind of a creepy manip... arent they cousins... **shudders**

[Le Diable Blanc]

He's not groping her :oldrazz:

[Eros]

Supergirl will be added to the show next season, rumor has it Kristen Bell might land the role.

Bells shooting 2 movies this summer dude.

[Le Diable Blanc]

Hey I didn't make the rumor, just the manip. Besides I thought the filming for Fanboys was over?

[Eros]

Hey I didn't make the rumor, just the manip. Besides I thought the filming for Fanboys was over?


shes working on soem other movie, but who knows, they will reveal the actress at comic-con anyways.

[Le Diable Blanc]

Who knows indeed.

[TheCorpulent1]

Who cares? Does anyone even watch Smallville anymore? That show's gone from mediocre to outright awful. :o

[WompuM]

This book has gotten so terrible and so great in such a short amount of time. It's like the opposite of Kurt Warner.

[Le Diable Blanc]

Who cares? Does anyone even watch Smallville anymore? That show's gone from mediocre to outright awful. :o

I'd watch if Kristen Bell was cast as Supergirl.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd watch if Kristen Bell was cast as Supergirl.
I'd probably watch if Kristen Bell had a nude scene or something. If it's just to watch her act as a boring, low-key Supergirl opposite Welling's boring, low-key Superman, I'd sooner shoot myself in the foot.

[Primal Slayer]

I like how they make no attempt to explain why she's wearing a ****ing headband.

.

Should they explain why she is wearing ****ing clothes? Or shoes? Or why she is drinking?

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... yeah?

[CConn]

Wearing clothing and shoes - and drinking - are rather necessary and primary needs of human existance in society and nature. A headband - however - is generally - and rightfully - considered an accessory piece that isn't really necessary unless there's a specific reason given for it being there.

[Primal Slayer]

Do kryptonians even need to drink to survive? She felt like wearing a headband and change things up a little so she put one on. Why is she wearing a hear clip in the last shot? Its really simple.

But looking through the issue again, I will just let it speak for itself

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7018/picture017ua7.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture017ua7.jpg) http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5298/pic033ib6.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic033ib6.jpg)

[Mogwai]

is that powerboy in the yellow shirt?

[fifthfiend]

Should they explain why she is wearing ****ing clothes? Or shoes? Or why she is drinking?

Clothes, shoes, and drinking are all totally ordinary and not-stupid parts of day-to-day life.

Headbands, however, are totally stupid, and make the people who wear them look stupid, and are worn by stupid people who want to look stupid and...

Oh **** never mind, I answered my own question.

But looking through the issue again, I will just let it speak for itself

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7018/picture017ua7.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture017ua7.jpg) http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5298/pic033ib6.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic033ib6.jpg)

Yes, speaks for itself being stupid.

[BrianWilly]

I thought it was supposed to hearken back to the real Kara Zor-El from back in the Silver Age, who wore headbands quite a bit. Y'know, just another desperate final attempt to get people to like this Kara a bit more. They want it both ways; they've done everything Kryptonianly possible to make this Kara as unlike Siver Age Kara as they can, but they still want people to associate her with Silver Age Kara as much as possible. Piggyback on Silver Age Kara's respect as opposed to earning it for herself, as it were.

[sethcohen]

the silver age kara is the only thing i wish they would bring back...
on another note, isnt this artist movinig over to teen titans soon?

[Primal Slayer]

I thought it was supposed to hearken back to the real Kara Zor-El from back in the Silver Age, who wore headbands quite a bit. Y'know, just another desperate final attempt to get people to like this Kara a bit more. They want it both ways; they've done everything Kryptonianly possible to make this Kara as unlike Siver Age Kara as they can, but they still want people to associate her with Silver Age Kara as much as possible. Piggyback on Silver Age Kara's respect as opposed to earning it for herself, as it were.

No not really, Ale Garza just likes the headband, he wasnt told to draw her with it, it was something he decieded to do since he thought it looked cool.

[CGHulk]

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/4200/supergirl4mw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was supposed to hearken back to the real Kara Zor-El from back in the Silver Age, who wore headbands quite a bit. Y'know, just another desperate final attempt to get people to like this Kara a bit more. They want it both ways; they've done everything Kryptonianly possible to make this Kara as unlike Siver Age Kara as they can, but they still want people to associate her with Silver Age Kara as much as possible. Piggyback on Silver Age Kara's respect as opposed to earning it for herself, as it were.
I still don't get why they don't just kill this Kara off and bring back the Silver Age one. It'd make a lot of people very happy, and it'd fit with Didio's current Silver Age: NOW! mentality.

[shapeshifter]

I'd watch if Kristen Bell was cast as Supergirl.

that girl has a crazy internet fanbase. seriously what is the appeal? I'm not being an ass i'm asking a real question. why are so many people enamored with her? thoughts...

[TheCorpulent1]

A lot of people like Veronica Mars. She plays Veronica Mars and she's hot, ergo people like her.

[shapeshifter]

i guess i don't see the appeal. nothing new for me though.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't, either. I didn't like Veronica Mars when I watched it and I don't think Kristen Bell is a particularly amazing actress.

[shapeshifter]

I don't, either. I didn't like Veronica Mars when I watched it and I don't think Kristen Bell is a particularly amazing actress.

well at least its not just me.

so back to supergirl. does anyone think kara will ever grow out of this avril lavigne phase she is in, or is she going to be a permabrat for ever? I thijnk she has a lot of potential, but she is just such a little princess right now that i can't stand her.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't care anymore. She's tolerable in Legion, which is the only comic I read regularly that she's a part of. If DC's intent on making her thoroughly unlikeable in every other comic they publish, more power to them.

[CConn]

A lot of people like Veronica Mars. She plays Veronica Mars and she's hot, ergo people like her.
Not quite.

Y'see, most actors bring some constant...personality to all of their roles. I don't know if it's their real personality or what, but all actors seem to have this "type" of personality that they generally play, or interject into the characters they play.

Kristen Bell - from what I've seen and read from her - seems to really be that type of character Veronica Mars is. What makes Veronica awesome is, in part, credited from what Bell interjects into the role. It's not just a well-written character, it's a character that's...brought to life very well by the actress playing her.

That's why I like Kristen Bell. Not because she plays Veronica Mars, but because she brings the character to life so well.

[Varient]

well at least its not just me.

so back to supergirl. does anyone think kara will ever grow out of this avril lavigne phase she is in, or is she going to be a permabrat for ever? I thijnk she has a lot of potential, but she is just such a little princess right now that i can't stand her.

Yes.
OYL shows a Supergirl Much closer than I'd expect to tolerate.

[Mogwai]

maybe she'll become emo like the rest of the teen titans.

[BrianWilly]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=125165

New team: Kelley Puckett and Drew Johnson.

Johnson's a good art choice, but I have no idea what Puckett has ever done. Too bad Bedard has to go.

[Anubis]

Looking at that name, I feel like there should be an H behind the P in Kelley's last name.

[Primal Slayer]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=125165

New team: Kelley Puckett and Drew Johnson.

Johnson's a good art choice, but I have no idea what Puckett has ever done. Too bad Bedard has to go.

Creator of the much beloved Cassandra Cain aka Batgirl, he also wrote her comic for sometime also I think.

[spike947]

just wondering if anyone could tell me which supergirl this is and what comic series she was in?
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=karakalel6wbrw6.jpg
thanks

[fifthfiend]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=125165

New team: Kelley Puckett and Drew Johnson.

Johnson's a good art choice, but I have no idea what Puckett has ever done. Too bad Bedard has to go.

?

WTF happened to Bedard?

[Primal Slayer]

just wondering if anyone could tell me which supergirl this is and what comic series she was in?
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=karakalel6wbrw6.jpg
thanks

Thats the new current SG from her own series.

?

WTF happened to Bedard?

Bedard was only on for about 3 issues, thats how it always was.

[superhero_mania]

Why Is One Year Later Supergirl Kissing Superman?
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=karakalel6wbrw6.jpg

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Why Is One Year Later Supergirl Kissing Superman?
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=karakalel6wbrw6.jpg

because she could!!!!!!!!!!!:yay: that not really Superman.

[superhero_mania]

Then Who Is It?

[CConn]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=125165

New team: Kelley Puckett and Drew Johnson.

Johnson's a good art choice, but I have no idea what Puckett has ever done. Too bad Bedard has to go.Kelley Puckett did most of the early Batgirl issues. They were really fun, IMO. I'm glad he's taking over.

[spark627]

I'm glad Supergirl is going to have one writer with one vision for a while. I hope Puckett makes the title exciting and less clear, same for Gail on WW. Notice how inconsistent and 'off' DCs female characters have been? Its like they don't care.

[CConn]

I think that's an overreaction. Birds of Prey has been a very popular and high quality book for a number of years. Catwoman - while not as good - as always been a very steady book. And female characters are certainly getting tons of exposure - of the good kind - in plenty of team books.

[spark627]

I really don't think its an overreaction. Yea Catwoman is steady but the quality is not as good as it used to be. The entire Amzon nation has been ruined and completely f*ed up. WW suddenly is written as not knowing what a credit card is or how to pump gas... and the editors let this pass. Supergirl is over sexualized, yet we are reminded she is 17. She has spent 20 issues moping around and sending muxed messages about who she is and what she wants to be.

[CConn]

I really don't think its an overreaction. Yea Catwoman is steady but the quality is not as good as it used to be.Yeah, and Batman is steady but the quality is not as good as it used to be.

And Robin is steady but not as good as it used to be.

And Nightwing isn't even steady, and it's not as good as it used to be.

That's the nature of comics; books decline in quality, they improve in quality. It's a constant flux. The sex of the character doesn't change that.
The entire Amzon nation has been ruined and completely f*ed up.And Civil War completely f**ked up the Marvel Universe. The Other completely f**ked up Spider-Man.

Again, it's the nature of comics; bad stories, stupid crossovers, are written. They suck. I'm not excusing them, but they have nothing to do with whether the main character's male or female.
WW suddenly is written as not knowing what a credit card is or how to pump gas... and the editors let this pass.Again, editors let pass any number of stupid things, demeaning things, for ALL characters. Not just Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
Supergirl is over sexualized, yet we are reminded she is 17.Women are generally over-sexualized in all forms of media. Unfortunately.
She has spent 20 issues moping around and sending muxed messages about who she is and what she wants to be.Because the title sucks. Like many comic book titles suck. Wolverine: Origins suck, but that doesn't mean Marvel has a sexist agenda against Wolverine.

[Kitsune]

Then Who Is It?

Wasn't it Ultraman? The Evil Earth 3 version of Superman?

[CConn]

No, it was the King of Candor...or something.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

No, it was the King of Candor...or something.

It was a leader of a relegiues cult that worshiped Kal-el from the city of kandor

[Primal Slayer]

No, it was the King of Candor...or something.

Who was Ultra Man who escaped to Kandor during the Crisis I believe.

[CConn]

He was? Where did we learn this?

[superhero_mania]

Ok Thank You.

[Primal Slayer]

He was? Where did we learn this?

Saturn Queen explained it to Kara or Karen.

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/1972/889kp1.th.jpg (http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=889kp1.jpg)

[Eddie Brock]

I just caught up today. :yay::up:

[Eddie Brock]

Anyway, I've got to ask - am I the only one not feeling the art in the last two issues?

It seems like pseudo-Alex Ross to me, and it just doesn't work all that well. Plus Supergirl looks anything but 16.

My opinion - bring back the headband! :woot:

[BrianWilly]

The last two issues? You mean the ones where she actually looks like a teenager:confused:?

The expressions were a bit glassy and weird to me, but the girl herself looked fine. Vastly preferable to the Churchill rendition. It may just have been the decent writing making me biased, though.

[Eddie Brock]

The last two issues? You mean the ones where she actually looks like a teenager:confused:?

The expressions were a bit glassy and weird to me, but the girl herself looked fine. Vastly preferable to the Churchill rendition. It may just have been the decent writing making me biased, though.
Issues 20 and 21...21 wasn't so bad, but when I looked at 20, at times I felt like I was reading about a grown-up Supergirl.

I don't really mind the art - like I said, it sort of reminds me of Alex Ross - but I preferred what we had before.

But it won't stop me from continuing to buy Supergirl, so no harm, no foul. :up:

[fifthfiend]

This was the most incredibly un-awful I've seen Supergirl drawn and written since her ill-concieved and horribly excecuted return. Why, it's almost like Bedard decided to completely change the character, and then pretend all that other **** never happened!

It might almost be worth trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance if this were gonna be a permanent assignment, but since he's only around for one more issue I don't see a lot of point in getting invested.

[Eddie Brock]

Why does everyone bring up the writing? I said nothing about the writing.

It's just that the art was a drastic change from what we've been getting, and it didn't do anything for me. That's all.

[fifthfiend]

?

Oh naw that wasn't a response to you, just my general opinion of Bedard's supergirl. I can see where I could have given the wrong impression there, my bad.

[Eddie Brock]

?

Oh naw that wasn't a response to you, just my general opinion of Bedard's supergirl. I can see where I could have given the wrong impression there, my bad.
It's cool. I jumped to a conclusion.

I'm super-defensive that way. :o

[CConn]

This was the most incredibly un-awful I've seen Supergirl drawn and written since her ill-concieved and horribly excecuted return. Why, it's almost like Bedard decided to completely change the character, and then pretend all that other **** never happened!

It might almost be worth trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance if this were gonna be a permanent assignment, but since he's only around for one more issue I don't see a lot of point in getting invested.
Hopefully Pluckett continues what Bedard started, though.

[fifthfiend]

Hopefully Pluckett continues what Bedard started, though.

I've been hurt too badly to hope so easily and so soon.

[TheCorpulent1]

Puckett's got a great record with teen superheroes, if that's any help. He is largely responsible for making Cassandra Cain as awesome as she was before Beechen/Johns/DC editorial FUBAR'd her.

[Eddie Brock]

I personally love modern Kara. Granted, the whole Phantom/sunstone storyline was very weird, but it was cool.

Much different than the perfect little angel image of the Silver Age Supergirl. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess, statistically, someone must've liked the new Kara.

[fifthfiend]

I guess, statistically, someone must've liked the new Kara.

I bet there's some percentage of cancer patients who get the news and go "Woo-hoo! Malignancy!"

[TheCorpulent1]

I would probably pay to see that.

[fifthfiend]

I would probably pay to see that.

I'd pay to see Supergirl say that.:up:

[Eddie Brock]

I'd pay to see Supergirl say that.:up:
*yawn*

[Dragmire]

Living solar batteries get skin cancer? :wow:

[Eddie Brock]

Living solar batteries get skin cancer? :wow:
Who said anything about skin? :huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, for the new Kara, any sort of cancer would make me happy. :up:

[fifthfiend]

Ideally, all of them.

[Eddie Brock]

*yawn*

Kara-bashing...how original!

:down:o

[TheCorpulent1]

It doesn't need to be original to be valid. Now go take a nap to get rid of all that pesky yawning. :)

[fifthfiend]

*yawn*

*yawn*

*yawn*

That's right, I'm yawning your yawning.

[TheCorpulent1]

Power naps, guys. I hear they do wonders.

[fifthfiend]

Wonders for getting fired for napping at my desk, yeah.

[hulkamania85]

I liked the new Supergirl art. She finally didn't look like Paris Hilton in a Superman shirt. People who complained that she looked too fat are nuts. She just looked fat in that art compared to how they've been drawing her like a twig.

[fifthfiend]

Yeah totally.

They still need to get rid of that bare-midriff-overlong-sleeves look though, I mean that **** is just embarrassing.

[TheCorpulent1]

Seriously, the new Supergirl will always look like some gossipy high school 'tard as long as she's wearing that. There's absolutely no class to that costume.

[LexCorp]

Super girl is hot...

Anyone seen the Superman Batman comic where she appears nude?

[Varient]

I guess, statistically, someone must've liked the new Kara.

damn.

[TheCorpulent1]

I spit troof like fiyah, man. :up:

[LexCorp]

http://www.the-trades.com/hprice/Comics/SupermanBatman9.jpg
This is the comic but may have to scan those pics on the site

[Dragmire]

I spit troof like fiyah, man. :up:

HOT fiyah, HOT fiyah.

Get it right or pay the price.

[LexCorp]

Just saw an article in SFX (UK scf-fi mag)

Some good pics in there

[TheCorpulent1]

HOT fiyah, HOT fiyah.

Get it right or pay the price.
My fiyah is only lukewarm.

[Tropico]

Super girl is hot...

Anyone seen the Superman Batman comic where she appears nude?

There's a Supergirl Just Because (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=158147&highlight=Supergirl+becuase) thread for guys with your kind of..."interests".:dry:

[superhero_mania]

Super girl is hot...

Anyone seen the Superman Batman comic where she appears nude?
Yes I Have Read That Comic, But She Is Not Fully Naked.

[The Leaguer]

Super girl is hot...

Anyone seen the Superman Batman comic where she appears nude?

lmao ya she haz boobies i liek boobies

[fifthfiend]

Seriously, the new Supergirl will always look like some gossipy high school 'tard as long as she's wearing that. There's absolutely no class to that costume.

I mean even if they did have to draw her like a retarded high-school gossip girl, they could have at least drawn her like a retarded high school gossip who didn't dress herself with a blindfold on. She looks like the girl who tries to fit in with the retarded high-school gossip girls but they all laugh at her because she ****ing sucks at it.

I mean come on, the sleeves? The yellow ****ing ribbons? That **** is just sad.

[TheCorpulent1]

Preach it, bruthaman.

[Miss Webb]

There's a Supergirl Just Because (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=158147&highlight=Supergirl+becuase) thread for guys with your kind of..."interests".:dry:

Sounds like a candidate for the Pervy thread.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, the Just Because (formerly "Just Becuase") threads are like a franchise of pervy threads. You and Varient should get together and talk sometime.

[Varient]

Oh, the Just Because (formerly "Just Becuase") threads are like a franchise of pervy threads. You and Varient should get together and talk sometime.

Sorry,.. but I'm now the guy who had the idea raking in the royalties for the chain.

I have No idea who's contributing to them now save Canary fan,.... :yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think anyone's been contributing much lately. The pervs got tired, I guess.

[Miss Webb]

I don't think anyone's been contributing much lately. The pervs got tired, I guess.

LOL, that big 'ol padlock on the thread kinda stopped things, too.

[TheCorpulent1]

I meant the Just Because threads.

[TheCorpulent1]

Preview of Supergirl #22 at Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Oct07/previews/3rd.html)

To anyone reading the comic: Is Bedard's arc any good? I wasn't planning on picking up Supergirl... well, ever, really. But if Bedard's writing is good, I'd be interested in seeing Supergirl bridge the gap between Countdown's Silver Age Legionnaires and the current Legion, especially with Renato Guedes' amazing art.

[BrianWilly]

Bedard's arc is utterly horrible if you enjoy a well-written, likable, sympathetic Kara Zor-El who actually tackles her problems instead of whining about them and then literally alienating everyone. I'm warning you now, do not read his arc if you want to see Supergirl issues with at least twice the quality of prior writers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I didn't expect to like Supergirl anyway. She is, at best, only mildly annoying in LoSH, and that was Waid writing her. How's the Legion stuff in Supergirl's comic?

[BrianWilly]

Do you know that I am a retard who has brainfarts and frequently drunk to boot? Now you do.

Substitute "enjoy" with "dislike" in my first sentence and you will arrive at an approximation of what I actually meant.

I was only trying to be funny and failed like a whore:(.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure there are some funny whores out there. Maybe a few who'd put on one of those honking, red noses while they blow you. :up:

Anyway, thanks. I'm picking up this week's issue (#22) and the previous one, which I think was the beginning of this current arc. Please tell me I'm right about that; the issue before last says it's an Amazons Attack tie-in, and I'd really rather not spend anymore money on that abysmal piece of trash than I already have.

[BrianWilly]

Nope, Bedard's arc started with the Amazons tie-in. Believe it or not, it was not a bad issue at all. It is basically better than the entirety of Amazons Attack, which is not difficult of course, but for a Supergirl issue?

My review from way back whenever...Supergirl #20
I'm impressed. I'm actually impressed. Buffy perserve us all.

Not only is this actually a good issue of Supergirl but it also manages to be the second good issue of a Countdown tie-in this week. Well, technically it's an Amazons Attack tie-in, but that just makes this even more amazing.

I was so annoyed with that last issue of this series, where Kelly pretty much insinuated that the only reason people haven't been liking this Supergirl is because she isn't perky and happy and perfect and nice like everyone thinks she should be or something. That's such horrendous nonsense. Not wanting to read about a character who is so unlikeable on every conceptual level that she makes you want to scoop out your liver with a machete does not equate to wanting a flawless cutsie whitewashed freak of nature. This sort of reverse bass-ackwards approach to writing -- "Everything that the readers think are problems are not actually problems...and if I'm going to give the readers what they want, I must do it in the least tolerable manner possible" -- bordered on the Bendisesque.

Not so with this Kara. This Kara took a lot of sht and screwed things up...but she's also working to make things better. When she made a big mistake she didn't just sit around and mope about it and not do anything; she got off her no-longer-anorexic ass and immediately -- not a year later, but immediately -- set off to try and fix it. It's not about how far she could fall, it's also about how far back up she could climb. She's constantly worried about things and unsure about her choices...yet she makes them anyway and deals with whatever consequences that may arise. She feels like an insecure girl who's been dealt a rough hand, and yet she also feels like a real hero earning her name. This is what she needs. This is what the series needs and what Bedard delivers.

Kara's visual redesign also strengthens the character by leaps and bounds. It's astounding what a transformation can occur when a character actually looks like a real teenage girl and not a vacuous pin-up. Her cape is thickened, her shirt and skirt lengthened, and her physique realigned into something that says "person" instead of "tart." It could just be my tragic space dementia, but...combined with her above change in attitude, I almost got a feeling of Linda-ness from her. This is a sad thing, but it is also a good thing. A very good thing.

(8.9 out of 10)Maybe it just seems so good 'cause it's such a distinction from the poor quality of the series before Bedard. If you don't want to risk it, though, it's a complete standalone and contains nothing you need to know to read the Legion issues. You could always get it after assessing the quality of #21 and 22...or you could "get it" in "another way."

[TheCorpulent1]

...or you could "get it" in "another way."
Are you suggesting that I find a prostitute who owns it, club her over the head, and take her copy? :o

[BrianWilly]

"No," I am "not."

[TheCorpulent1]

I "see" what you "did" "there." ;)

[Superman_]

"No," I am "not."

I "see" what you "did" "there." ;)LOL


This reminded me of that Family Guy Episode where Peter was talking to the Mob in that Pet store.

[BrianWilly]

Supergirl #22
Awww yay Bedard's doing so well here wait where's he going NOOO DON'T GO ah fck he's gone.

The last three pages of this issue should be printed out, blown into giant-size, and plastered over the offices of Loeb and Kelly (and Beechen, just for the hell of it) with the words "THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE. THIS IS WHY YOU FAILED. YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF" hanging below in bright neon ink. I know I'd feel much happier. It is, hands down, the single best scene I've read regarding New Earth Kara in the entirety of her existence. It doesn't forget or excuse the mistakes of the past, yet it says everything that it has to regarding what she's been through and where she's going, and so much more besides.

By this point, Countdown tie-ins on a general ratio tally are doing so much better than the actual Countdown. I mean, I read the Karate Kid/Una story here as if I actually cared, and their story wasn't even really the point of the issue!

(8.6 out of 10)

[fifthfiend]

I "see" what you "did" "there." ;)

For some "reason" I find "myself" compelled to "link" to the "Blog" of "Unnecessary" Quotation Marks (http://quotation-marks.blogspot.com/).

[Obi-Ron]

Has this titled improved at all recently?
All the forced crossovers and incomplete storylines got on my nerves after a while.

[spark627]

#23 and #24 were pretty awful and made no sense, however they slightly set up a much better story in #25. Kara now has all of her memories of Krypton and she can't let go of them, she keep re-seeing them and feels she is on Earth for something bigger than beating up bad guys. Superman says she has changed and is worried about her and Batman is spying on her. Reactron attacked (we don't know why) and there seems to be a big story there about the star systems that make up his body.

Its still not an amazing book but def better... and she is not the Paris Hilton - type character that she was for a while.

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, there's an actual character called "Reactron"?