Official Green Lantern Casting and Discussion Thread

[Penguin]

I'd say James Marsden for Green lantern.:gl:

[DavidTyler]

You know, I didn't think about that before but I think he might be a very good choice.

[Penguin]

You know, I didn't think about that before but I think he might be a very good choice.

Thank's :woot:

[Eddie Dean]

James Marsden is already in way too many comic book movies.

Anyway...

Hal Jordan - Michael Vartan
Kyle Rayner - Jesse Bradford
Alan Scott - Harrison Ford
John Stewart - Henry Simmons
Guy Gardner - Bradley Cooper
Caroll Ferris - Evangeline Lilly
Jade - Natalie Portman
Abin Sur - Laurence Fishburne
Kilowog - Ving Rhames
Tomar Re - Brent Spiner
Katma Tui - Bridget Moynahan
Arisia - Scarlett Johansson
Ganthet - Ian Holm
Sinestro - Hugo Weaving

[greenlantern248]

Kyle Rayner - Steven Strait (The Covenant)

Hal Jordan - George Eads (CSI: Vegas)

Alan Scott - Robert Redford

John Stewart - Henry Simmions or Michael Jai White

Guy Gardner - Brad Cooper

Carol Ferris - Evangeline Lilly

Jade - Jessica Biel

Kilowog - Michael Clark Duncan

The Guardians - voiced by Samuel L. Jackson

Sinestro - Tim Curry

Major Force - Mickey Rourke

Fatality - Hallie Berry or Rosario Dawson

[Eddie Dean]

The Guardians - voiced by Samuel L. Jackson
Huh? :huh:

[greenlantern248]

Huh? :huh:

I'm thinking of Sam Jackson when he was in Star Wars, the calm gentle voice, not his "We've got to get these mother f$%king snakes off this mother f$%king plane" voice.

[Katsuro]

Hal Jordan: Nathan Fillion

Sinestro: Hugo Weaving

it'd be the most awesome thing ever.

[Dude_Love]

Hal Jordan - Joquan Pheonix
John Stewart - Will Smith
Sinestro - Hugo Weaving
Kilowog - Michale Clarke Duncan

[LanternFan]

Hal Jordan - Joquan Pheonix
John Stewart - Will Smith
Sinestro - Hugo Weaving
Kilowog - Michale Clarke Duncan

Will Smith shouldn't be allowed within 20 miles of the filming location of ANY comic book movie.

Ever.

Personally, I like the Nathan Fillion/Hugo Weaving combo.

[ToddIsDead]

I have always, and will always be all for Nathan Fillion as Hal Jordan.

[Ben Urich]

Owen Wilson is the only logical choice for Guy Gardner. :o

[Eddie Dean]

Owen Wilson is the only logical choice for Guy Gardner. :o
He's way too subdued, plus he's the perfect Booster Gold.

[Dude_Love]

Will Smith shouldn't be allowed within 20 miles of the filming location of ANY comic book movie.

Ever.

Personally, I like the Nathan Fillion/Hugo Weaving combo.
What's wrong with Will Smith?

Fillion would be good, but I still prefer Pheonix/Weaving

[LanternFan]

First & foremost you'd blow a third of your budget just paying for will Smith to be in your movie. Second, he's way too trendy. I'm just sick of the sight of him. Besides he's busy ruining the I Am Legend movie these days.

[Gotendbz-2]

Hal Jordan - Joquan Pheonix
John Stewart - Will Smith
Sinestro - Hugo Weaving
Kilowog - Michale Clarke Duncan

Hey! You stole the Joaquin Phoenix idea from me! :cmad: :woot:


And I think even Will Smif would say (in the censored version) "Aw heck naw!" about playing Jon Stewart. Oh, wait, isn't that the guy from the Daily Show?

[Speedball]

Hal Jordan: Nathan Fillion

Sinestro: Hugo Weaving

it'd be the most awesome thing ever.
:up::up::up::up:
Hell YES!

[Hush]

Hal Jordan: Matt Dillon

[Dude_Love]

Hey! You stole the Joaquin Phoenix idea from me! :cmad: :woot:


And I think even Will Smif would say (in the censored version) "Aw heck naw!" about playing Jon Stewart. Oh, wait, isn't that the guy from the Daily Show?
I stole Pheonix from noone, lol

I think Smith is a perfect Stewart, he may cost a bit, but he would make up for it in bringing in the casual fan based on his name. As for being sick of the sight of him, isn't that just your feeling on the guy lantern fan? Doesn't mean he wouldn't make a good Stewart

[greenlantern248]

I don't think Smith would be good either, Will is to comedic, and that is not John Stewart

[Gotendbz-2]

Will Smif was in that movie Ali. I guess he could work.

[chamber-music]

Jason Stratham- Guy Gardener

[NotFadeAway]

I have always said David Boreanaz for Hal Jordan/Green Lantern!!!

[Superman Pwnage]

Green Lantern will be black.

[greenlantern248]

Green Lantern will be black.

Why? because of the JLU on cartoon network which they cancelled, and if it was from that okay so that means young kids would only know that John Stewart was GL. Now that show is not on anymore and those same kids who liked GL go to a comic book store ask for a GL comic book and guess what they will Hal Jordan on the cover not John Stewart. So when they do this movie Green Lantern will be Hal Jordan :gl:

[Brendan]

I put these ones on another thread:

Wentworth Miller as Hal Jordan
http://www.mazda3forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11263/normal_wentworth_miller_04.jpg

Jordana Brewster as Carol Ferris
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2937/brewsterlw6.jpg

Leonard Roberts as John Stewart
http://www.heroes-tv.com/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Leonard_Roberts.jpg


I also like the idea of Hugo Weaving as Sinestro

[Superman Pwnage]

Why? because of the JLU on cartoon network which they cancelled, and if it was from that okay so that means young kids would only know that John Stewart was GL. Now that show is not on anymore and those same kids who liked GL go to a comic book store ask for a GL comic book and guess what they will Hal Jordan on the cover not John Stewart. So when they do this movie Green Lantern will be Hal Jordan :gl:

If JLU is long forgotten, why'd they put John Stewart in the video game?

They didnt even allow for other Lanterns as hidden replacement characters.

Clearly WB is still pushing John Stewart as GL. He's also the face of GL at all WB's amusement parks.

[Brendan]

I think if they were to ever make a series, they should introduce Hal Jordan as the Green Lantern first, and then go straight to having John Stewart to take his place.

Hal Jordan has a lot of good character development and an interesting origin. It would be a shame if they never use him.

[Superman Pwnage]

I agree. I like Hal too, and I know what they SHOULD do....

But I'm just stating what they likely WILL do..

[Katsuro]

The truth of the matter is, a Hal Jordan would make infinitely more sense as a film than a John Stewart movie would, unless significant changes take place. Seriously, do most people know John's origin? It would not work for a first Green Lantern movie.

Hal's classic Abin Sur origin would be perfect. It would need practically no changing, and would work beautifully on screen. Even Kyle's could work, in a sort of Star Wars: A New Hope type of way. Of course, i'd prefer they do the Hal story first, end it with Parralax, then do a Kyle Rayner movie where he fights Parralax who redeems himself to become the Spectre. John and Guy could possibly make appearances, but they just wouldn't have any real purpose. I cant see what they'd contribute to the overall story, especially John. Seriously, has John ever even had his own book? Hal, Kyle, and Alan all had their own Green Lantern book for some time, Kyle is doing Ion right now, Guy is the focus of the current Green Lantern Corps. book, but has John ever been the main focus of a running series? correct me if i'm wrong.

[greenlantern248]

The truth of the matter is, a Hal Jordan would make infinitely more sense as a film than a John Stewart movie would, unless significant changes take place. Seriously, do most people know John's origin? It would not work for a first Green Lantern movie.

Hal's classic Abin Sur origin would be perfect. It would need practically no changing, and would work beautifully on screen. Even Kyle's could work, in a sort of Star Wars: A New Hope type of way. Of course, i'd prefer they do the Hal story first, end it with Parralax, then do a Kyle Rayner movie where he fights Parralax who redeems himself to become the Spectre. John and Guy could possibly make appearances, but they just wouldn't have any real purpose. I cant see what they'd contribute to the overall story, especially John. Seriously, has John ever even had his own book? Hal, Kyle, and Alan all had their own Green Lantern book for some time, Kyle is doing Ion right now, Guy is the focus of the current Green Lantern Corps. book, but has John ever been the main focus of a running series? correct me if i'm wrong.

John had the 3 issue set of Mosaic which did not sell and you could go into any comic book store and get all three of them for like 2 dollars or something. I do know John's origin, Ganthert told Hal he will be chosen and Hal said "Him really?" Ganthert said yes and Hal offered him the ring, that's all.

[greenlantern248]

If JLU is long forgotten, why'd they put John Stewart in the video game?

They didnt even allow for other Lanterns as hidden replacement characters.

Clearly WB is still pushing John Stewart as GL. He's also the face of GL at all WB's amusement parks.

Yes Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner are both in Justice League Heros as unlockable characters.

I don't know about John being the face of GL's at WB parks cause everytime I go I always see either Hal or Kyle, don't get me wrong every once in a while I will see John but I see the other two more.

[Brendan]

Does anyone think Legion should be in the first movie, or would it seem repetitive to have two yellow alien villians and that they should make Legion and Parallex the same?

[batbat_29640]

How do you guys feel about the suit beeing a Star Trek TNG type of military suit instead of just tights? If made with a simular material as the Superman Returns outfit it could have a Superhero and alien made look.

[jpmuftak]

How do you guys feel about the suit beeing a Star Trek TNG type of military suit instead of just tights? If made with a simular material as the Superman Returns outfit it could have a Superhero and alien made look.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6638/greenlantern5xr3.jpg

[batbat_29640]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6638/greenlantern5xr3.jpgWow . . that's exactly what I'm not talking about!

[Liquid Ice]

I think they should make GL a young John, but have Hal or or Kyle, more likely hal, be a mentor or something. Hal could pass on the Gl duty of earth to John. My vote is Harry hamlin as Hal and I or somebody young and black as John.

[ShadowBoxing]

John had the 3 issue set of Mosaic which did not sell and you could go into any comic book store and get all three of them for like 2 dollars or something. I do know John's origin, Ganthert told Hal he will be chosen and Hal said "Him really?" Ganthert said yes and Hal offered him the ring, that's all.Unless you were planning on giving John, Hal's origin, you really would have trouble basing an entire on John.

[batbat_29640]

If the do a Lantern movie then I'm all for Hal. If they try to give Hal's origin to some one else then that would just upset me enough to treat it like a Catwoman movie and refuse to see it whatsoever. I'm proud to say that I still haven't watched Catwoman yet. Hope I never have to.

[GL1]

Seriously, has John ever even had his own book? Hal, Kyle, and Alan all had their own Green Lantern book for some time, Kyle is doing Ion right now, Guy is the focus of the current Green Lantern Corps. book, but has John ever been the main focus of a running series? correct me if i'm wrong.

Correct you? Right away: John Stewart starred in "Green Lantern Mosaic" a trippy litte title that sold well despite disagreeing critics and hate from DC Editorial. It was cancelled, and either forgotten or loosely retconned to make way for Kyle.

There's no reason for DC not to use John, honestly... it's not sales, it's not popularity, DC even put two black characters on the JLA to shout out that it's not racism. The only possible explanation is DC wants to be jerks to WB, who own them quite literally.

As for origin, I think the idea of John's Origin being undoable is pretty silly. The only thing mod would be having the Ring come to him on it's own (ala Post Crisis) instead of having someone deliver it to him. He can be trained by anybody, if his very first adventure involves being trained at all.

[ShadowBoxing]

Correct you? Right away: John Stewart starred in "Green Lantern Mosaic" a trippy litte title that sold well despite disagreeing critics and hate from DC Editorial. It was cancelled, and either forgotten or loosely retconned to make way for Kyle.

There's no reason for DC not to use John, honestly... it's not sales, it's not popularity, DC even put two black characters on the JLA to shout out that it's not racism. The only possible explanation is DC wants to be jerks to WB, who own them quite literally.

As for origin, I think the idea of John's Origin being undoable is pretty silly. The only thing mod would be having the Ring come to him on it's own (ala Post Crisis) instead of having someone deliver it to him. He can be trained by anybody, if his very first adventure involves being trained at all.John needs a motivation. At least Hal's origin strikes people as one where his insecurities about himself, his father, and also the fact that he gets it totally by this mix of fate and chance lends itself much more to a movie then "Hi, here is a ring, you're now a Green Lantern".

So unless your planning on developing something totally different, or using the classic Hal Jordan origin, it really won't make for a movie.

Openning scene

Hal Jordan: I'm to find a new Green Lantern.

Guardian: Yes, him...

Hal Jordan: Him really???

Guardian: Yes, him...

Hal Jordan: Okay.

Your lucky if the audience hasn't fallen asleep by then. With Hal's origin you get the establishment of why and how the ring is passed down. The audience is going to have trouble getting around the idea of someone just idly being asked to be a Green Lantern, it doesn't drive much attention.

Furthermore, your asking for someone to carry a big responsibility, at the first sign of trouble they have to have a reason to stick it out. Wolverine wanted his memory back. Spider-Man was avenging his uncle. Batman was avenging his parents. Even the Jedi in both series come along only after tragedy has struck.

Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner (although his takes considerably more explanation) have the more interesting origins. Hal Jordan's also provides a much better basis for the why and the how of the ring. Not saying you couldn't make another story that can accomplish the same thing. However, if your making a movie that will appeal to both comic fans and movie goers alike you're treading on thin ice by rewriting any origins.

It's quiet possible DC would use John, or even Kyle over Hal (the last script featured none...it was thankfully dropped). And I would not even be surprised if they gave John Hal's origin either, it would not surprise me (especially since John in the cartoon had several parrallels to Hal Jordan) if they gave him Hal's job, girlfriend or even dead father. Certainly with Catwoman, making characters black is not a problem to them. However John's origin is undoable, don't kid yourself or let fanboyism blind you. John's origin is not like a Wolverine's or a Spider-Man's, it's simply not cinematic. Which in an action movie is key.

[Darthphere]

Im on the Fillion bandwagon.

[batbat_29640]

Im on the Fillion bandwagon.W00T W00T !! Nathan Fillion for Hal Jordan! . . . and Wentworth Miller should be Kyle.

[GL1]

John needs a motivation. At least Hal's origin strikes people as one where his insecurities about himself, his father, and also the fact that he gets it totally by this mix of fate and chance lends itself much more to a movie then "Hi, here is a ring, you're now a Green Lantern".

So unless your planning on developing something totally different, or using the classic Hal Jordan origin, it really won't make for a movie...

...Furthermore, your asking for someone to carry a big responsibility, at the first sign of trouble they have to have a reason to stick it out. Wolverine wanted his memory back. Spider-Man was avenging his uncle. Batman was avenging his parents. Even the Jedi in both series come along only after tragedy has struck.

Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner (although his takes considerably more explanation) have the more interesting origins. Hal Jordan's also provides a much better basis for the why and the how of the ring. Not saying you couldn't make another story that can accomplish the same thing. However, if your making a movie that will appeal to both comic fans and movie goers alike you're treading on thin ice by rewriting any origins.

It's quiet possible DC would use John, or even Kyle over Hal (the last script featured none...it was thankfully dropped). And I would not even be surprised if they gave John Hal's origin either, it would not surprise me (especially since John in the cartoon had several parrallels to Hal Jordan) if they gave him Hal's job, girlfriend or even dead father. Certainly with Catwoman, making characters black is not a problem to them. However John's origin is undoable, don't kid yourself or let fanboyism blind you. John's origin is not like a Wolverine's or a Spider-Man's, it's simply not cinematic. Which in an action movie is key.[/LEFT]

I'll do my best to take my fanboyism off, but I do find it interesting that John's origin is repeatedly looked at from Hal's (and the Guardians') perspective... if we were doing John's origin, wouldn't it come from John's perspective?

Well in this we have a down and out talent with a whole mess o' willpower trying to figure out what to do with his life. Here comes the ring, the answer that suddenly turns into a problem and leads him to all this tragedy. If someone has to die in order for it to be cinematic, slide John's little sister's death up the timeline some.

Obviously, John Stewart's origin does need to be expanded upon to fill a two hour movie, but it clearly doesn't require borrowing from Hal or Kyle's origins at all (though, had pondered the slain girlfriend angle)... John's got plenty of juice on his own.

Another key part of John's origin IS why is he selected, and furthermore, why is he any good at this when he by all accounts should not be. You'd think a person who couldn't find a job wouldn't be so healthy on willpower? What is the line between Justice and simple authority? What is the essence of Willpower? What *does* such awesome power do to a person's mindset? Can one really build a better place one contruct at a time? These themes are every bit as worthy as the "essence of fear," something already done superbly by "V for Vendetta" and "Fearless" among others (Batman Begins?). You wouldn't even have to go into Xanshi, Katma, "The Opener of Doors" and all that stuff to have a compelling John Stewart Green Lantern movie... you wouldn't have an "Emerald Dawn" TPB to copy page by page, but all of the pieces are VERY much there.

THAT said, while it CAN be done and done well, I still feel that a Space Epic with John starting rookie, Hal cool and experienced, and a supporting cast of Aline Corps members done right would be far greater than any Solo GL movie could ever hope to be. A Green Lantern Corps Franchise is simply greater all around than the Hal Jordan Franchise for many reasons, just one of which is that it still includes Hal Jordan.

A wise man once said:
don't kid yourself or let fanboyism blind you

I simply offer the same advice.

[sepharih]

Hi, first post.

I must say that I’m torn on the issue at hand. First off, to be clear, I have been exposed to only a very small number of comics focused on the Green Lantern, and all of them were of Kyle Rayner. Sadly, they never really clicked with me, and so most of my knowledge of the character as well as Hal Jordan is secondhand.
The majority of my exposure to the Green Lantern has been through the Justice League animated series; where I did manage to click with John Stewart. As such, when I think of a Green Lantern film, John is immediately the character who comes to mind, and if he’s not in the film then, while I’m willing to deal with it, I simply can’t deny that I’m going to be disappointed.

Now, having said that, I can fully understand and sympathize with the people who hate the idea of doing a Green Lantern film which goes straight to John’s story. After all, as a Spider-man fan I know for a fact that I would have a cow if the filmmakers had said “well, we felt it would be best to just skip to Ben Reilly”.

My question is; if this film ever gets made and it winds up being John Stewart who they ultimately decided to focus on, would it be acceptable? It’s axiomatic that the decision would disappoint you if you’re a Hal Jordan fan, but could you still enjoy the movie without crying “BLASPHEMY!” at the decision? Would we have another Organic web shooters fiasco?

Also,

1. I agree with the point about messing with Origins. When it comes to Superheroes there are probably no more defining or crucially important story arcs to tell correctly than their origins, because nearly every crucial detail is typically an intricate part in what ultimately shapes who the character is for all of their stories. As such, changing origins is almost always changing who the characters are.
I also agree that, based on what I’ve read, doing John’s origin from the comics isn’t exactly the most fitting story for a standalone film by itself. That leaves only two options I think.

A. Do John, but integrate his character with aspects of Hal Jordan’s Origin. The biggest problem with this is that they run the risk of not doing John so much as, instead, doing an amalgamation of both characters. This could wind up diluting the unique aspects of the character.

B. Tell a new origin story that we’ve never seen, but which also feels more in the spirit of John’s character. I have to say that I’m actually leaning more towards this option because I think that Wizard’s “Ultimate DC” article outlined the perfect direction for this choice.

Either way, I do recognize that doing John Stewart would be a fairly controversial decision, but my inner fan provokes me to find a way to squeeze him in.

2. I may be missing something crucially important to the representation of the characters (and if so then let me know), and I understand the reasons explained in the comic why John doesn’t wear one, but if the story decides to focus on Hal or Kyle, do they have to wear the masks? Besides the obvious fact that it wouldn’t be a very effective way of concealing their identities (a point which can, admittedly, be overlooked since most of us are able to suspend our disbelief with the Superman/Clark Kent issue) I also don’t really feel it meshes well with the entire aspect of the Green Lantern Corps as I see it. Seeing as how they’re supposedly paragons of the ideals of bravery and justice I think concealing their identities seems contradictory to their entire nature. I also just think the uniform looks more dignified without it.

[greenlantern248]

Hi, first post.

I must say that I’m torn on the issue at hand. First off, to be clear, I have been exposed to only a very small number of comics focused on the Green Lantern, and all of them were of Kyle Rayner. Sadly, they never really clicked with me, and so most of my knowledge of the character as well as Hal Jordan is secondhand.
The majority of my exposure to the Green Lantern has been through the Justice League animated series; where I did manage to click with John Stewart. As such, when I think of a Green Lantern film, John is immediately the character who comes to mind, and if he’s not in the film then, while I’m willing to deal with it, I simply can’t deny that I’m going to be disappointed.

Now, having said that, I can fully understand and sympathize with the people who hate the idea of doing a Green Lantern film which goes straight to John’s story. After all, as a Spider-man fan I know for a fact that I would have a cow if the filmmakers had said “well, we felt it would be best to just skip to Ben Reilly”.

My question is; if this film ever gets made and it winds up being John Stewart who they ultimately decided to focus on, would it be acceptable? It’s axiomatic that the decision would disappoint you if you’re a Hal Jordan fan, but could you still enjoy the movie without crying “BLASPHEMY!” at the decision? Would we have another Organic web shooters fiasco?

Also,

1. I agree with the point about messing with Origins. When it comes to Superheroes there are probably no more defining or crucially important story arcs to tell correctly than their origins, because nearly every crucial detail is typically an intricate part in what ultimately shapes who the character is for all of their stories. As such, changing origins is almost always changing who the characters are.
I also agree that, based on what I’ve read, doing John’s origin from the comics isn’t exactly the most fitting story for a standalone film by itself. That leaves only two options I think.

A. Do John, but integrate his character with aspects of Hal Jordan’s Origin. The biggest problem with this is that they run the risk of not doing John so much as, instead, doing an amalgamation of both characters. This could wind up diluting the unique aspects of the character.

B. Tell a new origin story that we’ve never seen, but which also feels more in the spirit of John’s character. I have to say that I’m actually leaning more towards this option because I think that Wizard’s “Ultimate DC” article outlined the perfect direction for this choice.

Either way, I do recognize that doing John Stewart would be a fairly controversial decision, but my inner fan provokes me to find a way to squeeze him in.

2. I may be missing something crucially important to the representation of the characters (and if so then let me know), and I understand the reasons explained in the comic why John doesn’t wear one, but if the story decides to focus on Hal or Kyle, do they have to wear the masks? Besides the obvious fact that it wouldn’t be a very effective way of concealing their identities (a point which can, admittedly, be overlooked since most of us are able to suspend our disbelief with the Superman/Clark Kent issue) I also don’t really feel it meshes well with the entire aspect of the Green Lantern Corps as I see it. Seeing as how they’re supposedly paragons of the ideals of bravery and justice I think concealing their identities seems contradictory to their entire nature. I also just think the uniform looks more dignified without it.

Well welcome to the Hype, this is a great place to be to talk anything comic book related.

To answer your question about a John Stewart film, I'm a Kyle fan I first got in to comic books around the time Hal went nuts and became Parallax and Kyle took over. Doing a film with John Stewart as the lead to me wouldn't be that bad but I don't think there is a good enough story out there to support him. See unlike Hal and Kyle, John and Guy Gardner dont really have the great of story plots so film wouldn't work for them.

As far as the mask goes I think Hal and Kyle both want to keep their identites secrect cause Kyle's girlfriend got murdered when a villian found out who he was. I believe the same goes for Hal (not the girlfriend killing part) but Hal has a lot of loved ones that a enemy will hurt if they new who Hal was. I don't think they have shown anytype of family or loved ones for both John and Guy and I believe that is why they both don't wear masks.

[GL1]

Wow... ever feel like your posts are invisible?

John's Story:
Act I: John is a struggling architect at the end of his rope (just like in comics), intro supporting cast
Act II: John gets the ring, does some cool stuff with it, is unorthodox and overconfident, but amazingly good (just like in comics)
Act III: The ring, it's responsibility and overuse get John into tragedy (JUST like in comics) ie sister dies, loses Tawny Young, loses contract with Ferris Airfield, again, all from comics.
Act IV: John gives up the ring, gets advice and pulls himself up after hitting rock bottom and facing his responsibilities, reclaims ring.
Act V: John confronts the villain and beats him into submission... John begins his GL training with Hal Jordan. (Just like in comics)

Seriously, just because there's no Emerald Dawn for John doesn't mean that there's no story... it's just stretched out a bit. And Hal Jordan didn't have Emerald Dawn at first either, but I don't think we would've said he wasn't movie worthy... or Emerald Dawn-worthy. It's just a matter of popularity... (ie, I'm not interested enough in this character to make him interesting). Now I don't really follow Guy, so I don't know if there's a compelling Origin story in his character, but I don't know enough about him to think that there's not.

On the response:

1) Yes, messing with Origins is definitely Bad.
a) I think we all agree that this is out of the question. The cartoon version uses trace amounts of Hal's origin in it, but I think it's pretty clear that the personalities are night and day.
b) Well, honestly, whatEVER you do is some variation on this. A John Stewart movie would kind of be like John's Emerald Dawn to finally give the character a compelling well defined origin, something done for most heroes from the time period. You would incorporate aspects of the comics on John that we've read already, but as many can tell, a lot of the details are missing because he was sharing the comic with Hal and because of the storytelling of the time period.

2) Well, the thing with Hal and later Kyle, is that they do not conceive of themselves primarily as members of the GLC, but as superheoes, and that is the storyline reason why they wear masks. Their actions, support this dilineation. They don't HAVE to, of course, but it is necessary for them to function as superheroes. The cool thing about John is that he doesn't really care about being a superhero, he's there to get the job done and he's no more likely to wear a mask than make anime constructs to shoot you when he can do it himself. It's an attribute of the characters that I don't believe should cross any more than their origins.

[jrpstarwars]

Hal - Topher Grace
Sinestro - Ashton Kutcher

[jrpstarwars]

The best actor I heard for Green Lantern was found on the Justice League casting thread. Read and agree 100%.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/asifweforgot/jcaviezel.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/ecantrell/Green-LanternCv1.jpg

Jesus Christ himself, Jim Caviezel

[GL1]

I put these ones on another thread:

Wentworth Miller as Hal Jordan
http://www.mazda3forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11263/normal_wentworth_miller_04.jpg

Jordana Brewster as Carol Ferris
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2937/brewsterlw6.jpg

Leonard Roberts as John Stewart
http://www.heroes-tv.com/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Leonard_Roberts.jpg


I also like the idea of Hugo Weaving as Sinestro

I have a lot of trouble disagreeing with these castings... a whole lot. They work on several levels to me, and these are principal characters and the relationships between them makes for some of the best fodder in GL comics.

[jrpstarwars]

I have a lot of trouble disagreeing with these castings... a whole lot. They work on several levels to me, and these are principal characters and the relationships between them makes for some of the best fodder in GL comics.

You Think they should do a solo Green Lantern movie or a movie with many Green Lanterns?

[Katsuro]

John's Story:
Act I: John is a struggling architect at the end of his rope (just like in comics), intro supporting cast
Act II: John gets the ring, does some cool stuff with it, is unorthodox and overconfident, but amazingly good (just like in comics)
Act III: The ring, it's responsibility and overuse get John into tragedy (JUST like in comics) ie sister dies, loses Tawny Young, loses contract with Ferris Airfield, again, all from comics.
Act IV: John gives up the ring, gets advice and pulls himself up after hitting rock bottom and facing his responsibilities, reclaims ring.
Act V: John confronts the villain and beats him into submission... John begins his GL training with Hal Jordan. (Just like in comics)


Okay, why does he get the ring? Tell me how you would write the wrong coming to him that wouldn't step all over another GLs origin.

[GL1]

jrpstarwars -- I believe many Green Lanterns, with only two being from Earth.

Katsuro -- Cuz he's the most unconventional thinker on the planet, in addition to having the potential to overcome great fear, give him the same speech that ALL GLs get nowadays, it could come directly from the ring...

The power of the story is in what's happening around John already and how the Ring affects it, not necessariliy in the epicness of the handing down of the ring... he doesn't need Ganthet or Abin Sur or... whoever to give it to him... he doesn't need anyone to die as he gets the ring, any death in the movie connected to his use or acceptance or misuse or lack of acceptance of the ring gives the entire movie and it's climax the same tragic weight...

I'd show pre-credits Hal sending the ring to earth to find a trainee lantern, and then I'd do the first part of the movie where John hits rock bottom, the ring floats to him and... "John Stewart, because of your ability to overcome great fear you have been chosen as Green Lantern 2814.2." Same as happens in GLC nowadays just about every issue...

[Penguin]

My Cast,

Hal Jordan - James Marsden
Kyle Rayner - Jesse Bradford
Alan Scott - Harrison Ford
John Stewart - Henry Simmons
Guy Gardner - Bradley Cooper
Caroll Ferris - Evangeline Lilly
Jade - Natalie Portman
Abin Sur - Laurence Fishburne
Kilowog - Ving Rhames
Tomar Re - Brent Spiner
Katma Tui - Bridget Moynahan
Arisia - Scarlett Johansson
Ganthet - Ian Holm
Sinestro - Hugo Weaving

[Katsuro]

Katsuro -- Cuz he's the most unconventional thinker on the planet, in addition to having the potential to overcome great fear, give him the same speech that ALL GLs get nowadays, it could come directly from the ring...


I dont mean why he's chosen above others, I mean why there's a need for someone to be chosen at all. So it's just "well, we should probably get a second Earth GL, Hal go find someone"? Yeah, that may be how they do it nowadays, but you cant just start from the middle. Starting the series off with anything but the first Green Lantern of Earth feels ridiculous. It's jumping into a world that needs to be built from the ground up. Hal's origin does that so well. It allows us to be introduced the world at the same time he is, as oppsoed to John who's probably seen Green Lanterns flying about the city for years.

I just cant help but think you're being blinded by the fact that John's your favorite character. All logic points to Hal being the best option without making major story changes. I just dont see any good reason why John would be better than Hal. The only argument for John that I think is even remotely credible, is that he's more familiar after the JLU cartoon. But even then, how many people watch cartoons these days?

[GL1]

Wow... I can't believe I let this slip under the radar!

I dont mean why he's chosen above others, I mean why there's a need for someone to be chosen at all. So it's just "well, we should probably get a second Earth GL, Hal go find someone"? Yeah, that may be how they do it nowadays, but you cant just start from the middle. Starting the series off with anything but the first Green Lantern of Earth feels ridiculous. It's jumping into a world that needs to be built from the ground up. Hal's origin does that so well. It allows us to be introduced the world at the same time he is, as oppsoed to John who's probably seen Green Lanterns flying about the city for years.

Wow... why do cops have partners? Why not send them out one by one? If someone else is needed, then that's just part of the universe. "Why is someone needed" isn't any more valid a question than "Why is someone not needed?"

Also, ALL epic movies start in the beginning... did we ever see the origin of the Matrix, or the Jedi, or the X-Men, or the Shire or anything like that in those big movies? Of course not, because it's not necessary, you just need ONE character that's new to the experience. This is an ancient aspect of storytelling.

Also, while starting with Alan Scott could be entertaining, it handicaps the franchise just as bad as a Hal-only movie would. You can't center the audience on this one man's earth life and then switch focus to the universe and an ensemble cast...

I just cant help but think you're being blinded by the fact that John's your favorite character. All logic points to Hal being the best option without making major story changes. I just dont see any good reason why John would be better than Hal. The only argument for John that I think is even remotely credible, is that he's more familiar after the JLU cartoon. But even then, how many people watch cartoons these days?

Wrong. All logic points to an ensemble space-based movie as the best option. Anything else narrows the broad appeal of the Green Lantern franchise and minimizes what makes the Green Lantern unique.

It is in fact quite the opposite, most fans are blinded by the fact that Hal is their favorite character, and are so entertained by Emerald Dawn that they somehow think that is the anchor and base for all things Green Lantern and THAT is actually what is rediculous.

Now, knowing that, seeing how obvious that is, and making that point several times only to see my posts ignored point blank because people simply can't handle that centering the world around their favorite is not the only or best option... well, I might as well lobby for my fave, whom I consider deeper and more interesting instead.

Yes he has the cartoons, but he also has the most varied experience as a GL and as a character, and thus, the best fodder for movie-making... y'know... without changing the stories.

BUT, if there were only ever going to be ONE GL movie, then perhaps transcribing Emerald Dawn wouldn't be such a bad idea, since we'd never see the rest of the Green Lantern Universe done right anyway.

AND since we're making assumptions about my persepective, a lot of my wariness about a Hal-only or Hal-centric movie comes from watching X-Men, which takes a highly talented group of comic book characters and turns them into a Mary Sue-like Wolverine and a bunch of black clad, expendable sidekicks. If a GL franchise does that, then my disgust will be unrivaled. It may be enough to drive me from comics completely, especially amid chants from Halaholics of "Yeah! Hal's the only one that matters!" The number of things wrong with that from a storytelling perspective, from a GL mythos perspective, from a movie goers perspective and from a general system of logic perspective would be so large as to be without number.

No more assumptions then? Thank you.

But, I do maintain that a John Stewart-centric movie can be the same quality as a Hal-only movie... and that the potential of both is significantly less than that of a CORPS movie.

[Katsuro]

Also, ALL epic movies start in the beginning... did we ever see the origin of the Matrix, or the Jedi, or the X-Men, or the Shire or anything like that in those big movies? Of course not, because it's not necessary, you just need ONE character that's new to the experience. This is an ancient aspect of storytelling.

Those stories started at the logical point. They started at the point that best introduces the audience to this world. The Matrix was told from the perspective of a character who had no idea the world was false. Just like Hal is a character who's never heard of the Green Lantern Corps. The audience finds out what the Green Latnern Corps is along with Hal, when it's explained to him. As opposed to John, who needs little explanation as he's probably seen Hal save the day many times.

Also, while starting with Alan Scott could be entertaining, it handicaps the franchise just as bad as a Hal-only movie would. You can't center the audience on this one man's earth life and then switch focus to the universe and an ensemble cast...

Alan Scott is a whole different story. He's not a Green Lantern in the tradional sense. Heck, before the Crisis he wasn't even a part of normal continuity. He had no affiliation with the Gaurdians or the Corps, until they made him an honorary member. If an Alan Scott movie were made, the Corps wouldn't even exist.


Wrong. All logic points to an ensemble space-based movie as the best option. Anything else narrows the broad appeal of the Green Lantern franchise and minimizes what makes the Green Lantern unique.

I dont see why you seem to think a Hal Jordan movie would be any less of an ensemble movie than a John Stewart movie. I mean, the mere fact that we're arguing Jordan vs. Stewart means neither would be a true ensemble, but either one could have a extensive supporting cast of well developed characters. I dont get why you think a Hal Jordan film would take place largely on Earth.

It is in fact quite the opposite, most fans are blinded by the fact that Hal is their favorite character, and are so entertained by Emerald Dawn that they somehow think that is the anchor and base for all things Green Lantern and THAT is actually what is rediculous.

Now, knowing that, seeing how obvious that is, and making that point several times only to see my posts ignored point blank because people simply can't handle that centering the world around their favorite is not the only or best option... well, I might as well lobby for my fave, whom I consider deeper and more interesting instead.

I still dont see how you can call me the blinded fan. The character i'm lobbying for is the original Green Lantern in tems of DC continuity. The Green Lantern comic book story we all know begins with him. Just like Batman begins with his parents murder and training around the world, and Superman begins with him crashlanding on a farm in Kansas, Green Lantern begins with Abin Sur crashing to Earth. Starting with another Green Lantern would be like starting the Batman franchise with the Knightfall storyline, and Jean Paul Valley becoming Batman, and hell i'll bet Azrael's starred in more comics than John Stewart has.

Yes he has the cartoons, but he also has the most varied experience as a GL and as a character, and thus, the best fodder for movie-making... y'know... without changing the stories.

Please, enlighten me. Tell me, without changing any major comic storylines, what villains John Stewart would face in a movie? What would the general plot be for your movie? Sure, there are a few villains noteworthy enough to be in a film, but you'd run out pretty damn quick if you weren't able to use Legion, Sinestro, or Parralax (cant do Parralax without developing Hal as a hero first).

But, I do maintain that a John Stewart-centric movie can be the same quality as a Hal-only movie... and that the potential of both is significantly less than that of a CORPS movie.

Once again, who the hell is saying "Hal-only"? Not once have I advocated a movie where Hal is the only Green Lantern character featured, nor have I advocated one where he was the only one with any sort of development. Hal Jordan needs to travel to Oa to be trained, right? He defends Oa from Legion, right? He's there when the citizens of Korugar revolt against Sinestro and Katma Tui is named as Sinestro's replacement. There are tons of opportunities for other Green Lanterns to have important roles in the movie. Hell, i'd be all for bringing in Guy Gardner and John Stewart as characters in later movies. By the third movie you could have Hal and John as the Green Lanterns of Earth, with Guy leading the Honor Guard.

[GL1]

Those stories started at the logical point. They started at the point that best introduces the audience to this world. The Matrix was told from the perspective of a character who had no idea the world was false. Just like Hal is a character who's never heard of the Green Lantern Corps. The audience finds out what the Green Latnern Corps is along with Hal, when it's explained to him. As opposed to John, who needs little explanation as he's probably seen Hal save the day many times.

Is seeing Hal save the day a crucial part of John's character? It's as expendable as his afro. Any of the GLs can be the 'new kid.' That's blatantly obvious. What's not so obvious is that your whole point is illogical, seeing a single GL in action would not preclude John from having the existance of the CORPS explained to him.

Alan Scott is a whole different story. He's not a Green Lantern in the tradional sense. Heck, before the Crisis he wasn't even a part of normal continuity. He had no affiliation with the Guardians or the Corps, until they made him an honorary member. If an Alan Scott movie were made, the Corps wouldn't even exist.

"Traditional sense?" Alan Scott IS the Traditional sense, the Corps are the new unorthodox kids. Besides, Normal continuity wasn't a part of normal continuity before the Crisis. The point simply is: Hal isn't the first GL. Again, blantantly obvious. I agree that making an Alan Scott movie is a bad idea, just like a Hal Jordan movie.

I dont see why you seem to think a Hal Jordan movie would be any less of an ensemble movie than a John Stewart movie. I mean, the mere fact that we're arguing Jordan vs. Stewart means neither would be a true ensemble, but either one could have a extensive supporting cast of well developed characters. I dont get why you think a Hal Jordan film would take place largely on Earth.

Well, when I hear "Hal Jordan movie" it's usually attatched to "just like ED" so, I presumed that. A John Stewart-centric movie would obviously not be an ensemble, just like a Hal Jordan-only movie. Both would be inferior to an ensemble film... That's basically in my sig. Taking a universe full of equally powered heroes and making a SINGLE person the main hero (if the entire GLC is just Hal's supporting cast) and the only one capable of saving the day when anything critical is happening (The climaxes of the films) is dumb. Period. There's no other possible result if you make the Green Lantern center on Hal instead of being an Ensemble.

And since we're not going for the logical choice, A John Stewart-centric movie is just as good an idea as a Hal Jordan one.

I still dont see how you can call me the blinded fan. The character i'm lobbying for is the original Green Lantern in tems of DC continuity. The Green Lantern comic book story we all know begins with him. Just like Batman begins with his parents murder and training around the world, and Superman begins with him crashlanding on a farm in Kansas, Green Lantern begins with Abin Sur crashing to Earth. Starting with another Green Lantern would be like starting the Batman franchise with the Knightfall storyline, and Jean Paul Valley becoming Batman, and hell i'll bet Azrael's starred in more comics than John Stewart has.

Well, you've decided to cobble together some foolishness about Hal Jordan being the origional Green Lantern, when obviously Abin Sur, among thousands of others, came before him. Hal Jordan was the first human GLC member, sure. So? The Green Lantern comic book story picks up with him, but it begins elsewhere, a John Stewart movie I'm proposing begins in the SAME place, but simply picks up later. Just as valid as anything.

Your Azrael analogy his horrible. Bruce Wayne is the first, only present and has been GL 100x longer than anyone else. None of these things apply to Hal Jordan. He was not the first GL, not the first human GL, but at best the first official human GLC GL. Furthermore, there are four of them operating at present, not counting Anya and Charlie Vickers and most of them have experience comparable with his. Especially John. John is as much Green Lantern as Hal. Starting with John is nothing like using Azrael.

Please, enlighten me. Tell me, without changing any major comic storylines, what villains John Stewart would face in a movie? What would the general plot be for your movie? Sure, there are a few villains noteworthy enough to be in a film, but you'd run out pretty damn quick if you weren't able to use Legion, Sinestro, or Parralax (cant do Parralax without developing Hal as a hero first).

Of course you change storylines, it's a movie interpretation of a comic book. You might as well ask me to make a movie without sound. But making a John movie without changing John into Hal? Piece of cake. Easy as doing it the other way around.

Sinestro is available, I don't know why you ignore that. With the Manhunters as cannon fodder that's a great opening film. Round out the second with Fatality, Star Sapphire, Black Hand, Hector Hammond or Sonar, in any number or combo you choose. Finish off with Krona/Old Timer/Parallax ("well developed supporting cast") and call it a day.

Once again, who the hell is saying "Hal-only"? Not once have I advocated a movie where Hal is the only Green Lantern character featured, nor have I advocated one where he was the only one with any sort of development. Hal Jordan needs to travel to Oa to be trained, right? He defends Oa from Legion, right? He's there when the citizens of Korugar revolt against Sinestro and Katma Tui is named as Sinestro's replacement. There are tons of opportunities for other Green Lanterns to have important roles in the movie. Hell, i'd be all for bringing in Guy Gardner and John Stewart as characters in later movies. By the third movie you could have Hal and John as the Green Lanterns of Earth, with Guy leading the Honor Guard.

You've implied that Hal should be the only human Green Lantern in the movie, and I simply don't buy it. You seem to view the GLC as Hal's supporting cast, which is like calling the JLA Superman's Supporting cast.

When I say "Hal-only" I'm referring to a movie where Hal is the only human GL.

And, GL has so many more compelling villains than Legion wasting a movie on him is just retarted to me.

[Katsuro]

Is seeing Hal save the day a crucial part of John's character? It's as expendable as his afro. Any of the GLs can be the 'new kid.' That's blatantly obvious. What's not so obvious is that your whole point is illogical, seeing a single GL in action would not preclude John from having the existance of the CORPS explained to him.

Yeah, actually it is. He came after Hal, therefore had seen him around before. Making John the first GL of Earth is NOT the same as a different haircut.

"Traditional sense?" Alan Scott IS the Traditional sense, the Corps are the new unorthodox kids. Besides, Normal continuity wasn't a part of normal continuity before the Crisis. The point simply is: Hal isn't the first GL. Again, blantantly obvious. I agree that making an Alan Scott movie is a bad idea, just like a Hal Jordan movie.

You know damn well what I mean. Alan Scott is not a Green Lantern as they're commonly known. His name's Green Lantern, and he has a power similar to regular Green Lanterns, but he's not even close to the same. His is a whole different story from all of the others. An Alan Scott movie would always just be an Alan Scott movie, and there'd never even be the option to bring in other characters, unless you want to see the Crisis made into a movie. With a Hal Jordan movie, you can see other characters brought in later. John and Guy as other GLs of Earth, and Kyle as the new beginning after it's destruction. So don't compare a Hal Jordan-centric movie to an Alan Scott movie.

Well, when I hear "Hal Jordan movie" it's usually attatched to "just like ED" so, I presumed that. A John Stewart-centric movie would obviously not be an ensemble, just like a Hal Jordan-only movie. Both would be inferior to an ensemble film... That's basically in my sig. Taking a universe full of equally powered heroes and making a SINGLE person the main hero (if the entire GLC is just Hal's supporting cast) and the only one capable of saving the day when anything critical is happening (The climaxes of the films) is dumb. Period. There's no other possible result if you make the Green Lantern center on Hal instead of being an Ensemble.

Green Lantern comics have always centered on the GL of Earth. It's a fact. There may have been comics focusng on the Corps as a whole from time to time, but it's always taken a backseat to the Earth GLs. Hell, even the current Green Lantern Corps title centers around Guy Gardner last time I checked.

And what's wrong with focusing on a single member of a large group? It's like making a cop movie and expecting them to portray the police force as an ensemble. I mean, the police force is a group of equally powered heroes, right? So why do most cop movies choose to focus a story on a specific member of the force? And so what if Hal's the only one capable of saving the day during the climax of the film? The universe is a big place, and there's tons of battles to be fought. Other members of the Corps will have their battles, probably in their own Sectors.

Well, you've decided to cobble together some foolishness about Hal Jordan being the origional Green Lantern, when obviously Abin Sur, among thousands of others, came before him. Hal Jordan was the first human GLC member, sure. So? The Green Lantern comic book story picks up with him, but it begins elsewhere, a John Stewart movie I'm proposing begins in the SAME place, but simply picks up later. Just as valid as anything.

Okay, that's just a dumb way to put it. If you want to get really technical, then no movie starts at the beginning of a story, unless the opening scene is the dawn of time. Hal Jordan's origin is the logical place to "pick up" the story. And are you seriously gonna suggest that a story can pick up in any place and still be just as valid, or am I gonna have to pull out another silly analogy to prove how wrong that is?

Of course you change storylines, it's a movie interpretation of a comic book. You might as well ask me to make a movie without sound. But making a John movie without changing John into Hal? Piece of cake. Easy as doing it the other way around.

I'm not talking about minor story differences. I'm talking big things, crucial moments in comic history. You can change details but leave the essence of the story whole, like Spider-Man or Batman Begins, or you can rewrite the entire thing and make Catwoman.

You've implied that Hal should be the only human Green Lantern in the movie, and I simply don't buy it.

He sure has been in the comics a lot. Once again, the comic books, which these movies will be based on, were told a specific way, and should be kept that way in a movie.

You seem to view the GLC as Hal's supporting cast, which is like calling the JLA Superman's Supporting cast.

Let me open up the latest Green Lantern issue. Hm... there are other Green Lanterns here, but Hal sure as hell seems to be the main character. Now, open up a JLA book, see the same thing there? Nope, me neither. JLA is an ensemble. It always has been. Green Lantern has almost always been told from the perspective of a single character.

And, GL has so many more compelling villains than Legion wasting a movie on him is just retarted to me.

Then dont waste a movie, waste half a movie. Let Hal Jordan test out his skills against Legion, defeat him early, then fight Sinestro later on.

[rogue trooper]

I know he will more than likely won't do it, but when I think of Hal Jordan I think of Guy Pearce!!!

[GL1]

Yeah, actually it is. He came after Hal, therefore had seen him around before. Making John the first GL of Earth is NOT the same as a different haircut.

Who said anything about making him the first GL of Earth? I don't subscribe to that at all. If you want to know how wrong that first sentence is, look up the definition of crucial.

You know damn well what I mean. Alan Scott is not a Green Lantern as they're commonly known. His name's Green Lantern, and he has a power similar to regular Green Lanterns, but he's not even close to the same. His is a whole different story from all of the others. An Alan Scott movie would always just be an Alan Scott movie, and there'd never even be the option to bring in other characters, unless you want to see the Crisis made into a movie. With a Hal Jordan movie, you can see other characters brought in later. John and Guy as other GLs of Earth, and Kyle as the new beginning after it's destruction. So don't compare a Hal Jordan-centric movie to an Alan Scott movie.

Of course I know what you mean, I just consider it invalid. Not only is Alan Scott's story connected to the GLC, strongly, at several points, but he interacts with all of them fairly regularly, and there's no problem bringing other GLs into an Alan Scott movie, even if it hasn't been done dozens of times in the comics.

Green Lantern comics have always centered on the GL of Earth. It's a fact. There may have been comics focusng on the Corps as a whole from time to time, but it's always taken a backseat to the Earth GLs. Hell, even the current Green Lantern Corps title centers around Guy Gardner last time I checked.

It centers on several characters, unlike the Green Lantern title, which centers solely on Hal. Also, John Stewart was not focused on during Kyle's run, when he was the GL of Earth. GL comics have NOT always centered on the GL of Earth. It's a lie. You don't seem to know much beyond Hal and ED. GLC focuses on the new Korugian girl as much as Guy in every issue I've read, to say nothing of Kilowogg.

And what's wrong with focusing on a single member of a large group? It's like making a cop movie and expecting them to portray the police force as an ensemble. I mean, the police force is a group of equally powered heroes, right? So why do most cop movies choose to focus a story on a specific member of the force? And so what if Hal's the only one capable of saving the day during the climax of the film? The universe is a big place, and there's tons of battles to be fought. Other members of the Corps will have their battles, probably in their own Sectors.

In a cop movie, all other cops are considered inferior, typically in skill, to the star(s) of the movie. In the comics, there are several other GLs equal in skill to Hal Jordan. Your analogy doesn't fit. Climaxes of epic movies, like the climax of ED, affect all the the supporting cast, meaning Hal would be saving the whole Corps, which would have to be portrayed as helpless. This is what Hal-centric thinking leads to, and it's a travesty to all the glorious characters of GL mythos.

Okay, that's just a dumb way to put it. If you want to get really technical, then no movie starts at the beginning of a story, unless the opening scene is the dawn of time. Hal Jordan's origin is the logical place to "pick up" the story. And are you seriously gonna suggest that a story can pick up in any place and still be just as valid, or am I gonna have to pull out another silly analogy to prove how wrong that is?

You can't prove it wrong... you can barely come up with an applicable analogy. What I'm seriously suggesting is that the story can pick up at the beginning of any Earth hero's journey and still be just as valid, just as logical. There's nothing that says Hal Jordan's story is a better pick up point than John Stewart's, just as there's nothing that says Cyclops' story is a better pick up point than Wolverine's.

I'm not talking about minor story differences. I'm talking big things, crucial moments in comic history. You can change details but leave the essence of the story whole, like Spider-Man or Batman Begins, or you can rewrite the entire thing and make Catwoman.

Ah, little details like Spider-Man's relationships with the villains? Little details like Gwen Stacy not being tossed off the bridge by Green Goblin and dying, but being MJ and her not dying? Little details like Rachel Dawes' existance, little details like Bruce Wayne's entire training, Ra's Algoul and Henri Ducard's entire identities? These are little details?

Wrong.

He sure has been in the comics a lot. Once again, the comic books, which these movies will be based on, were told a specific way, and should be kept that way in a movie.

They haven't been yet, especially in Spider-Man and Batman Begins, movies you love and don't even realize how radically different they are from the comics in major ways... the ONLY thing maintained, is the spirit of the characters, which has been tweaked significantly. I propose that same level of faithfulness: To the characters, not to the storylines.

Let me open up the latest Green Lantern issue. Hm... there are other Green Lanterns here, but Hal sure as hell seems to be the main character. Now, open up a JLA book, see the same thing there? Nope, me neither. JLA is an ensemble. It always has been. Green Lantern has almost always been told from the perspective of a single character.

True. Open up the latest issue of GLC. Open up an Issue of Mosaic. There are other GL's there, but Hal seems to not be the main character. Now open up any random JLA book, and...whatever. Why is this important to the movie at all? The statement was made that you see the GLC as Hal's supporting cast, which is true in Green Lantern, but untrue in GLC.

Then dont waste a movie, waste half a movie. Let Hal Jordan test out his skills against Legion, defeat him early, then fight Sinestro later on.

I'm not interested in wasting half a movie when GL has a dozen great villains, dozens of great stories and only three movies, tops, to show them off in. The fact that you think Legion is more important than the GL Corps shows how limited your perspective is. It confirms that you are indeed the one with blinders on.

[Katsuro]

Who said anything about making him the first GL of Earth? I don't subscribe to that at all. If you want to know how wrong that first sentence is, look up the definition of crucial.

You said he didn't need to see Hal save the day, which means he doesn't need to be a successor to Hal. I'm saying it is crucial that he is a successor to Hal, and to Guy.


Of course I know what you mean, I just consider it invalid. Not only is Alan Scott's story connected to the GLC, strongly, at several points, but he interacts with all of them fairly regularly, and there's no problem bringing other GLs into an Alan Scott movie, even if it hasn't been done dozens of times in the comics.

Yeah, yeah, they retconned some crap in later about the Starheart being GL energy from the Guardians or some crap, whatever. But the point remains, Alan Scott is a very, very, very different type of Green Lantern than the rest. Green Lantern is not the logical starting place for a Green Lantern film saga, unless you never intend to move beyond Alan Scott. And once again, brining other GLs into Alan Scotts world requires universes merging, or a huge change in Alan Scotts history. The story of Alan Scott and the retcons connecting it to the Guardians are just so out there that making it the focus of a movie is just ridiculous.


[quote=GL1;10931914]It centers on several characters, unlike the Green Lantern title, which centers solely on Hal. Also, John Stewart was not focused on during Kyle's run, when he was the GL of Earth. GL comics have NOT always centered on the GL of Earth. It's a lie. You don't seem to know much beyond Hal and ED. GLC focuses on the new Korugian girl as much as Guy in every issue I've read, to say nothing of Kilowogg.

Fine, the GLC is an ensemble cast, but my point was that the regular Green Lantern title has always been what's important. It's been in circulation longer and is far more popular. It also came first. Green Lantern was introduced as a solo hero, with the Corps as side-characters, and much later they were given their own title as a spin-off. I'd have no objections to a Corps-focused movie, but I just believe a Hal Jordan movie needs to come first, to better introduce the Universe.


In a cop movie, all other cops are considered inferior, typically in skill, to the star(s) of the movie. In the comics, there are several other GLs equal in skill to Hal Jordan. Your analogy doesn't fit. Climaxes of epic movies, like the climax of ED, affect all the the supporting cast, meaning Hal would be saving the whole Corps, which would have to be portrayed as helpless. This is what Hal-centric thinking leads to, and it's a travesty to all the glorious characters of GL mythos.

Bull****. It focuses on them because it's their case. Why were Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman the ones who were focused on in Seven? It was their case. It happened in their jurisdiction, and they were assigned the case. Of course sometimes that's not the case, but sometimes it is.


Ah, little details like Spider-Man's relationships with the villains? Little details like Gwen Stacy not being tossed off the bridge by Green Goblin and dying, but being MJ and her not dying? Little details like Rachel Dawes' existance, little details like Bruce Wayne's entire training, Ra's Algoul and Henri Ducard's entire identities? These are little details?

Wrong.

They haven't been yet, especially in Spider-Man and Batman Begins, movies you love and don't even realize how radically different they are from the comics in major ways... the ONLY thing maintained, is the spirit of the characters, which has been tweaked significantly. I propose that same level of faithfulness: To the characters, not to the storylines.

Honestly, yeah. I consider those quite small details. Change of a love interest, minor backstory changes for villains, it's nothing huge. The important stuff is there. Bruce Wayne's parents are killed, he grows up troubled and alone, he travels the world gaining various skills, he comes home and he takes on crime. So what if Ra's al Ghul used a secret identity? It's not like Ducard (the name Henri was not used once in the film, nor is it in the credits) was a big character in the comics that he'll be missed. And Spider-Man, most of the changes you listed are present in Ultimate Spider-Man, so there is precedent.

[Roughneck]

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[Roughneck]

Sinestro..Gary Oldman

[Majik1387]

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[GL1]

You said he didn't need to see Hal save the day, which means he doesn't need to be a successor to Hal. I'm saying it is crucial that he is a successor to Hal, and to Guy.

Guy? Not for real. Guy's origin has nothing to do with John and as such it's not crucial. Furthermore, just because Hal was GL first doesn't mean that John's ever seen him in action.

Yeah, yeah, they retconned some crap in later about the Starheart being GL energy from the Guardians or some crap, whatever. But the point remains, Alan Scott is a very, very, very different type of Green Lantern than the rest. Green Lantern is not the logical starting place for a Green Lantern film saga, unless you never intend to move beyond Alan Scott. And once again, brining other GLs into Alan Scotts world requires universes merging, or a huge change in Alan Scotts history. The story of Alan Scott and the retcons connecting it to the Guardians are just so out there that making it the focus of a movie is just ridiculous.

He uses will power, makes green stuff, has a ring... charges with a lantern battery... that's not very different at all, Katsuro... Alan Scott is not a member of the Corps... that's the only difference. Furthermore, all the GLs are already a part of Alan Scott's world... no retcons are needed. Obviously, Alan Scott would be the focus of a movie, other lanterns would be supporting characters. That is IF you wanted to go with the first human GL.

Fine, the GLC is an ensemble cast, but my point was that the regular Green Lantern title has always been what's important. It's been in circulation longer and is far more popular. It also came first. Green Lantern was introduced as a solo hero, with the Corps as side-characters, and much later they were given their own title as a spin-off. I'd have no objections to a Corps-focused movie, but I just believe a Hal Jordan movie needs to come first, to better introduce the Universe.

I disagree, just as I don't think a Han Solo movie should have come first to better introduce the Star Wars Universe, or a Morpheus movie to better introduce the Matrix Universe. The regular Green Lantern title has also NOT always been what's important, right now it's the biggest seller, but that has not always been the case, and the regular green lantern title has not always starred Hal Jordan, at one time, I believe it held the entire GL Corps of Earth as equal partners.

Green Lantern was first introduced as a solo hero WITHOUT corps and then later a Corps was invented and a new, SECOND GL (Hal) was introduced for that. None of this makes Hal a more valid choice for the first movie.

Here's how I read that paragraph:
Fine, the GLC is an ensemble cast, but my point was that the regular Green Lantern title has always been what's important (TO ME!). It's been in circulation longer and is far more popular (RIGHT NOW!). It also came first (AFTER ALAN SCOTT). Green Lantern was introduced as a solo hero, (AND MUCH MUCH LATER REINTRODUCED AS A SOLO HERO) with the Corps as side-characters, and much later they were given their own title as a spin-off. I'd have no objections to a Corps-focused movie, but I just believe a Hal Jordan movie needs to come first, to better introduce the Universe (BECAUSE HES MY FAVORITE).

Bull****. It focuses on them because it's their case. Why were Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman the ones who were focused on in Seven? It was their case. It happened in their jurisdiction, and they were assigned the case. Of course sometimes that's not the case, but sometimes it is.

It is for action movies, which I hope a GL movie would have plenty of. I can think of some comedies that center on the WORST cops in the force, honsetly. Another reason why your cop analogy doesn't hold up is because the GL characters already exist and have already proven themselves worthy of focus.

Honestly, yeah. I consider those quite small details. Change of a love interest, minor backstory changes for villains, it's nothing huge. The important stuff is there. Bruce Wayne's parents are killed, he grows up troubled and alone, he travels the world gaining various skills, he comes home and he takes on crime. So what if Ra's al Ghul used a secret identity? It's not like Ducard (the name Henri was not used once in the film, nor is it in the credits) was a big character in the comics that he'll be missed. And Spider-Man, most of the changes you listed are present in Ultimate Spider-Man, so there is precedent.

Gwen Stacy was the defining point in the Spider-Man stories, as Batman's multi-faceted training was for him as a character. To say nothing of Batman's costume. You think these are minor, but Legion is even remotely important? You have double standards, and are clearly blinded by your love of ED.

You keep telling me how comics did it, but not why that matters to the movie... they never say "Transcribed from the comic book" they always say "Based on the comic book..." Why does Hal need to be the center of attention in a movie? WHY is he better for introducing the GLC?

[Katsuro]

Guy? Not for real. Guy's origin has nothing to do with John and as such it's not crucial. Furthermore, just because Hal was GL first doesn't mean that John's ever seen him in action.

I didn't say Guy's origin had anything to do with John, I said that John's origin has to do with Guy. John was brought in as a replacement for Guy, who was a second to Hal. So to keep faithful, Guy would need to be injured, and John would be assigned to replace him.

He uses will power, makes green stuff, has a ring... charges with a lantern battery... that's not very different at all, Katsuro... Alan Scott is not a member of the Corps... that's the only difference. Furthermore, all the GLs are already a part of Alan Scott's world... no retcons are needed. Obviously, Alan Scott would be the focus of a movie, other lanterns would be supporting characters. That is IF you wanted to go with the first human GL.

I still cant believe your serious in comparing Alan Scott to the other Green Lanterns. So what if they have the same powers and name? There's so much more to being a Green Lantern than that. The Green Lanterns are an intergalactic police force chosen by the Guardians of the Universe. They are each assigned a sector consisting of 1/3600th of the known universe to protect. Does any of that fit Alan Scott?

And how the hell can you say other Lanterns would be supporting characters? How on Earth would you do that in a movie? What kind of sense would that make? How would you possibly write a movie like that, it just doens't make sense. Look, I get that you like bringing up Alan Scott because it keeps me from being able to effectively use the "first GL of Earth" argument, but you know just as well as I do that Alan Scott does not count. So really, just drop it.


I disagree, just as I don't think a Han Solo movie should have come first to better introduce the Star Wars Universe, or a Morpheus movie to better introduce the Matrix Universe. The regular Green Lantern title has also NOT always been what's important, right now it's the biggest seller, but that has not always been the case, and the regular green lantern title has not always starred Hal Jordan, at one time, I believe it held the entire GL Corps of Earth as equal partners.

No, but you needed a Luke Skywalker movie to introduce Star Wars, and a Neo movie to introduce The Matrix. Those two characters were the star of their movies. They may have featured a well-developed supporting cast, but they were very easily, without doubt the main characters. And of course, both of them were characters who were pretty much knew to the universe around them. Neo had no idea the Matrix existed, and Luke Skywalker had never left his little ranch. Both could be introduced to the world by other, more experienced characters. And yes, Morpheus could've served the same purpose (Han couldn't, bad analogy), but Morpheus wasn't the chosen one destined to save humanity, was he? Now, could John serve that purpose? No. Hal Jordan should've saved Earth from many disasters by the time John is recruited. Even if he didnt know a lot behind it, he still would've seen Hal in action, at least on the news. So yes, we'd get some introduction to the Corps and whatnot, but it wouldn't be the same as Hal. They would both have very different first experiences with the ring. John would've seen Hal and Guy use it on TV all the time, he'd at least know what it was and what it could do. With Hal you have that sense of wonder. That sense of "wtf is this thing, why am i flying? what's going on?"

Green Lantern was first introduced as a solo hero WITHOUT corps and then later a Corps was invented and a new, SECOND GL (Hal) was introduced for that. None of this makes Hal a more valid choice for the first movie.

Both ways, the Green Lantern story focused on a single character long before they had spinoffs featuring a group of characters.

Here's how I read that paragraph:

Fine, the GLC is an ensemble cast, but my point was that the regular Green Lantern title has always been what's important (TO ME!). It's been in circulation longer and is far more popular (RIGHT NOW!). It also came first (AFTER ALAN SCOTT). Green Lantern was introduced as a solo hero, (AND MUCH MUCH LATER REINTRODUCED AS A SOLO HERO) with the Corps as side-characters, and much later they were given their own title as a spin-off. I'd have no objections to a Corps-focused movie, but I just believe a Hal Jordan movie needs to come first, to better introduce the Universe (BECAUSE HES MY FAVORITE).


The truth is, we're both arguing for our favorites. The only difference is, i'm the only one backing myself up with logical reasons. You haven't given my one good reason why John Stewart would be a better focus for the movie than Hal, Guy, or Kyle, other than that he's your favorite. You haven't pointed out one thing that John can do that Hal can't, just that you find him more interesting as a character.

It is for action movies, which I hope a GL movie would have plenty of. I can think of some comedies that center on the WORST cops in the force, honsetly. Another reason why your cop analogy doesn't hold up is because the GL characters already exist and have already proven themselves worthy of focus.

Oh yeah, best and worst, those are the only two types of cops there are in the world. No such thing as being just one of many, many cops, perhaps somewhere in the middle, eh? How many cop movies have you see where the main character is called in to work on a case in a whole other state because he's the best cop in the world? No, a cop gets assigned to a case, and he solves it. And hell, sometimes he's damn far from the best cop. I've seen tons of cop movies where the guys in a depressed wreck, a problem drinker, has some form of injury, all kinds of crap. You must not watch very many action movies.

Oh, and cops dont exist? Did you really just say that cops don't exist? The analogy works perfectly since the GLC has always been dfined as an intergalactic police force. I dont see what the difference is, really. Sure, most real cops aren't anything worth making a movie about, but we're talking reality vs. fiction here. Of course a group of super-powered space cops are gonna be more interesting than the guys that sit in their car waiting for people to make rolling stops so they can fill their ticket quotas. Yet movies manage to make some of those guys seem pretty cool.


Gwen Stacy was the defining point in the Spider-Man stories, as Batman's multi-faceted training was for him as a character. To say nothing of Batman's costume.

Gwen Stacy is set to be introduced in Spider-Man 3. There's no telling her what her fate may be. Like I said, the Spider-Man movies are borrowing quite a bit from the Ultimate Spider-Man storyline, in which Gwen Stacy was killed a very different way. As for Batman's training, just because we only saw one aspect of it doens't mean that's all there was. He had been away from Gotham long before he ever met Ducard, and he put up a pretty decent fight the first time they met. I'm not even goin to respond to the costume comment, mostly because you said it in a way that made it seem like it was more important than your other points.

You think these are minor, but Legion is even remotely important? You have double standards, and are clearly blinded by your love of ED.

You act like i'm demanding Legion, and championing his greatness as a villain. I'm not. I simply think he'd make for a good introductory villain. The hero could fight him, test his mettle a bit, then move on to the real challenge in the climax of the film. He's a character that requires little backstory, and sets himself up pretty easily. Not to mention, someone has to kill Abin Sur.

You keep telling me how comics did it, but not why that matters to the movie... they never say "Transcribed from the comic book" they always say "Based on the comic book..." Why does Hal need to be the center of attention in a movie? WHY is he better for introducing the GLC?

It just seems logical to start the story off at the same point. And before you think of mentioning Alan Scott again, re-read what I said. "to start the story off". Alan Scott is a different story. Same name, same powers, different story. The story of the Green Lantern Corps. as told by the comics starts with Hal Jordan.

Because it's not really about the character, it's about the point in time of the story. Forgetting who holds the title of Green Lantern 2418.1, Hal, John, Guy, and Kyle are all just characters within the Green Lantern saga, just as Bruce, Dick, Tim, and so many others are just characters within the Batman saga. Making the publics first introduction to the Green Lantern world with John would be like making the publics first introduction to the Batman world with Tim Drake. Regardless of alter-ego identity, they're both characters that came later within the overall story arc of the comic books.

And allow me to make one more point. I'm proposing a solution that would most likely allow the three most popular Green Lanterns of 2814 to star in or at least have a major role in a film, and even possibly Guy. Hal for the first movie, Hal and John as a team for 2 and 3, and Kyle for 4. Dont start with this "trilogy" crap, not every movie franchise has to end at 3.

[The Techno Bat]

I think that Christopher Meloni would be a great choice for Hal Jordan/Green Lantern.
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And for starters it would have to be a solo GL film. Throwing too many characters into a film where most of the general public doesn't know anything about The GL Corps could get confusing and hurt the film. So a solo GL for me, for the first film, and of course throw in Sinestro for the main villian.

[GL1]

Here is my best effort to be short and concise.

I didn't say Guy's origin had anything to do with John, I said that John's origin has to do with Guy. John was brought in as a replacement for Guy, who was a second to Hal. So to keep faithful, Guy would need to be injured, and John would be assigned to replace him.

Well to keep Spider-Man faithful, Gwen Stacy would have to be BEFORE MJ. To stay faithful, Bruce Wayne would NOT be 30 years old before facing even one foe as Batman, the first of which would NOT HAVE been the Ra's Al Ghul.

Movies are faithful to the CHARACTERS (at best) not to the STORIES. Movies have their OWN stories (that's why they have WRITING credits). Disprove this before using any more of your 'it happened in X order in the comics' arguements. They are all invalid.

I still cant believe your serious in comparing Alan Scott to the other Green Lanterns. So what if they have the same powers and name? There's so much more to being a Green Lantern than that. The Green Lanterns are an intergalactic police force chosen by the Guardians of the Universe. They are each assigned a sector consisting of 1/3600th of the known universe to protect. Does any of that fit Alan Scott?

MORE semantics. I say: "The only difference is that Alan isn't GLC", and then you turn and say: "No!" and start describing the GLC. That's silly. Why should I respond to this?

And how the hell can you say other Lanterns would be supporting characters? How on Earth would you do that in a movie? What kind of sense would that make? How would you possibly write a movie like that, it just doens't make sense. Look, I get that you like bringing up Alan Scott because it keeps me from being able to effectively use the "first GL of Earth" argument, but you know just as well as I do that Alan Scott does not count. So really, just drop it.

No. Alan Scott is a GL... a different kind, but he has been influential to ALL Earth GLs. He counts, moreso than any of them. I bring it up because it's important, and you seem to be blinded by your devotion to Hal as the only thing that matters.

If Alan Scott interacting with Corps members doesn't "make sense" to you, then go read some more comic books.

No, but you needed a Luke Skywalker movie to introduce Star Wars, and a Neo movie to introduce The Matrix. Those two characters were the star of their movies. They may have featured a well-developed supporting cast, but they were very easily, without doubt the main characters. And of course, both of them were characters who were pretty much knew to the universe around them. Neo had no idea the Matrix existed, and Luke Skywalker had never left his little ranch. Both could be introduced to the world by other, more experienced characters. And yes, Morpheus could've served the same purpose (Han couldn't, bad analogy), but Morpheus wasn't the chosen one destined to save humanity, was he? Now, could John serve that purpose? No. Hal Jordan should've saved Earth from many disasters by the time John is recruited. Even if he didnt know a lot behind it, he still would've seen Hal in action, at least on the news. So yes, we'd get some introduction to the Corps and whatnot, but it wouldn't be the same as Hal. They would both have very different first experiences with the ring. John would've seen Hal and Guy use it on TV all the time, he'd at least know what it was and what it could do. With Hal you have that sense of wonder. That sense of "wtf is this thing, why am i flying? what's going on?"

Now THAT'S a paragraph.

Hal isn't a chosen one either. John, however, is.

My earlier statement, shows why John could be used for the purpose you think he cannot, just like Anakin could have been the starting point for Star Wars, but the story simply decided to pick up later, which worked out GLORIOUSLY.

Both ways, the Green Lantern story focused on a single character long before they had spinoffs featuring a group of characters.

A Batman was a cold hearted killer long before he had any code against killing. Your trivial comic facts consistently have no implications on a future movie. It's scary how many of your points hang on this falsehood.

The truth is, we're both arguing for our favorites. The only difference is, i'm the only one backing myself up with logical reasons. You haven't given my one good reason why John Stewart would be a better focus for the movie than Hal, Guy, or Kyle, other than that he's your favorite. You haven't pointed out one thing that John can do that Hal can't, just that you find him more interesting as a character.

Neither have you. You've pointed out the order of events in comics and imagined that somehow that everything has to happen JUST that way in the movies even though you have loads of evidence to counteract this.

Oh yeah, best and worst, those are the only two types of cops there are in the world. No such thing as being just one of many, many cops, perhaps somewhere in the middle, eh? How many cop movies have you see where the main character is called in to work on a case in a whole other state because he's the best cop in the world? No, a cop gets assigned to a case, and he solves it. And hell, sometimes he's damn far from the best cop. I've seen tons of cop movies where the guys in a depressed wreck, a problem drinker, has some form of injury, all kinds of crap. You must not watch very many action movies.

Wow, nice spin on my cat-call. Regardless, the cop analogy continues to have no merit, since dozens of Corps members are already designed characters.

Oh, and cops dont exist? Did you really just say that cops don't exist? The analogy works perfectly since the GLC has always been dfined as an intergalactic police force. I dont see what the difference is, really. Sure, most real cops aren't anything worth making a movie about, but we're talking reality vs. fiction here. Of course a group of super-powered space cops are gonna be more interesting than the guys that sit in their car waiting for people to make rolling stops so they can fill their ticket quotas. Yet movies manage to make some of those guys seem pretty cool.

I said the GL characters already exist, implying that cop characters for cop movies coming out in the next ten years DON'T already exist. You are demonstrating a lack of reading comprehension now. That's why the analogy doesn't fit.

Gwen Stacy is set to be introduced in Spider-Man 3. There's no telling her what her fate may be. Like I said, the Spider-Man movies are borrowing quite a bit from the Ultimate Spider-Man storyline, in which Gwen Stacy was killed a very different way. As for Batman's training, just because we only saw one aspect of it doens't mean that's all there was. He had been away from Gotham long before he ever met Ducard, and he put up a pretty decent fight the first time they met. I'm not even goin to respond to the costume comment, mostly because you said it in a way that made it seem like it was more important than your other points.

I'm glad you can admit that you are selectively responding to the points I'm making. Regardless, your attempt to pass off well executed major changes as 'incidentals.' As though making Batman Dick Grayson is a major change but Making Ra's Al Ghul into Henri Ducard is a minor change, shows the faultiness of your ability to fairly judge the situation at hand. Batman Begins took huge steps from the comics, things like order, ages and 'seeing X in action' weren't even considered, and no one cared, because those things are not the heart of the movie, the story or the characters.

You act like i'm demanding Legion, and championing his greatness as a villain. I'm not. I simply think he'd make for a good introductory villain. The hero could fight him, test his mettle a bit, then move on to the real challenge in the climax of the film. He's a character that requires little backstory, and sets himself up pretty easily. Not to mention, someone has to kill Abin Sur.

What movie villain exists simply to "test the hero's mettle..." in any movie ever? They almost always use faceless goons that need NO backstory and ADD to the main villain substantially. Storytelling in movies is different than that of comics.

What if Half the Matrix had just been Neo training in the Abstract. "We need to test his mettle!" Hahaha [lol]

And honestly, if Ra's Alghul can be Henri Ducard, Sinestro can kill Abin Sur.

It just seems logical to start the story off at the same point. And before you think of mentioning Alan Scott again, re-read what I said. "to start the story off". Alan Scott is a different story. Same name, same powers, different story. The story of the Green Lantern Corps. as told by the comics starts with Hal Jordan.

As I said before, that's simply where the comic picks up the story at. The story of the Green Lantern Corps as told by the comics starts with Rori Dag of Rojira. The comics first picks up at Hal Jordan, the movie could very well pick up later. Star Wars picked up with Luke Skywalker, even though Anakin was the one to "start the story off."

But, can I confirm then that you want to tell the story of the GLC, and not just Hal Jordan?

Because it's not really about the character, it's about the point in time of the story. Forgetting who holds the title of Green Lantern 2418.1, Hal, John, Guy, and Kyle are all just characters within the Green Lantern saga, just as Bruce, Dick, Tim, and so many others are just characters within the Batman saga. Making the publics first introduction to the Green Lantern world with John would be like making the publics first introduction to the Batman world with Tim Drake. Regardless of alter-ego identity, they're both characters that came later within the overall story arc of the comic books.

You're kidding me. The characters of Spider-Man and Batman remain (generally) the same, the points in time of the story are COMPLETELY shifted around.

And your Batman analogy is ludicris. Look at X-Men. Was the public's first intro to the X-Men world with the origional 5? This idea that comics continuity is important in making the movies about these characters has been proven wrong again, and again and again.

And allow me to make one more point. I'm proposing a solution that would most likely allow the three most popular Green Lanterns of 2814 to star in or at least have a major role in a film, and even possibly Guy. Hal for the first movie, Hal and John as a team for 2 and 3, and Kyle for 4. Dont start with this "trilogy" crap, not every movie franchise has to end at 3.

What planet do you live on, where people make more than trilogies? Either Planet Rocky or Planet 15+ years later (Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, etc). In either case come to the 2000s and get real, dude. If you can explain WHY it is that all movies come in trilogies nowadays, then perhaps you can explain why a GL movie would be immune to this?

Regardless, since we're offering:

GL1: Hal, John, Sinestro, Katma Tui, Kilowogg.
GL2: Hal (ringless), John, Guy, Katma, Fatality, Arisia, Tomar-Re, Kilowogg
GL3: Parallax(Hal), John, Kyle, Guy, Kilowogg, Mogo, Raker Quirrigat, Arisia

Then I'd spin Kyle off into his own TV show, either as "The Last GL" or an Ion thing. It's just naive to think he can get his own movie or trilogy just because he had a lot of comics.

See how that includes everyone? And the only sacrifice is that Hal Jordan is not the centerpiece. An easy price to pay, imho.

[Katsuro]

MORE semantics. I say: "The only difference is that Alan isn't GLC", and then you turn and say: "No!" and start describing the GLC. That's silly. Why should I respond to this?

The point I'm trying to make is that not being part of the GLC is a pretty big difference. Oh, he's just like the others expect not part of the GLC. Yeah, that's called not being just like the others. The GLC is a huge part of what defines them.



If Alan Scott interacting with Corps members doesn't "make sense" to you, then go read some more comic books.

i said that them interacting in a movie doesn't make sense, because it doesn't. The general movie-going public is not going to accept half the **** that goes on in comics. You cant do universe-merging crossover events and retcons and **** like that in movies. My point was that it would be impossible to make a single movie with Alan Scott where he interacts with the Green Lantern Corps, and have the movie be anything but a jumbled confused mess only comic-fans could understand.



My earlier statement, shows why John could be used for the purpose you think he cannot, just like Anakin could have been the starting point for Star Wars, but the story simply decided to pick up later, which worked out GLORIOUSLY.

You know, they probably could do a Star Wars like thing. Instead of starting with the Anakin Skywalker-type (Hal), I guess they could start off with the Luke Skywalker-type. Of course, that's not John. That's Kyle. I still dont think that'd be nearly as good as a Hal movie, partially because Parralax isn't near as good a villain as Darth Vader to get people interesting in knowing who he was before hand.


A Batman was a cold hearted killer long before he had any code against killing. Your trivial comic facts consistently have no implications on a future movie. It's scary how many of your points hang on this falsehood.

Ah, yes. The killer Batman. Also known as the Golden Age Batman, similar to how Alan Scott is the Golden Age Green Lantern. Yet, I don't recall that Batman being the one we saw in Batman Begins. No, they chose to start the story where current continuity starts it, which is at Year One.


Neither have you. You've pointed out the order of events in comics and imagined that somehow that everything has to happen JUST that way in the movies even though you have loads of evidence to counteract this.

I'm not saying it has to happen word for word panel for panel like Emerald Dawn. I never once said that. I simply feel it should happen along the same lines, like all good comic-movies have so far. Peter Parker's bitten, he wrestles, Uncle killed, becomes Superhero. Krypton explodes, Kal-El lands, meets the Kents, goes to Metropolis, becomes Superhero. Trivial basics, details aren't a big deal.

Wow, nice spin on my cat-call. Regardless, the cop analogy continues to have no merit, since dozens of Corps members are already designed characters.

I said the GL characters already exist, implying that cop characters for cop movies coming out in the next ten years DON'T already exist. You are demonstrating a lack of reading comprehension now. That's why the analogy doesn't fit.

That doens't matter at all. These movies are designed for those who know nothing of the comics. A Corps member existing in the comics is no different than a cop character existing in the screenplay for the film. As far as your average moviegoers mother is concerned, these characters dont exist.


I'm glad you can admit that you are selectively responding to the points I'm making. Regardless, your attempt to pass off well executed major changes as 'incidentals.' As though making Batman Dick Grayson is a major change but Making Ra's Al Ghul into Henri Ducard is a minor change, shows the faultiness of your ability to fairly judge the situation at hand. Batman Begins took huge steps from the comics, things like order, ages and 'seeing X in action' weren't even considered, and no one cared, because those things are not the heart of the movie, the story or the characters.

You dont see the difference between combining Batman and Robin, and Ra's al Ghul and Ducard? Two iconic characters who's names are known by all, vs. one semi-popular villain amongst comic-book fans, and one minor character whos appeared in maybe a couple comic-issues. Trust me, there's a difference.


What movie villain exists simply to "test the hero's mettle..." in any movie ever? They almost always use faceless goons that need NO backstory and ADD to the main villain substantially. Storytelling in movies is different than that of comics.

Carmine Falcone? Him and his henchmen were Batman's first fight, to kind of set himself up and let him be known to the public. After that, he went after the real menace in the film. Just because Carmine Falcone didn't have superpowers and wasn't a giant yellow monster doesn't make it count any less.


And honestly, if Ra's Alghul can be Henri Ducard, Sinestro can kill Abin Sur.

Okay, sure. No big deal really. Still think Legion could work, but they could definatley do it without him. Granted, we'd probably end up with some kind of cheesy final death scene where Abin is like "the... traitor... is... Si.. blegh!" and dies, or he'd already be dead and he wouldn't get to speak to Hal about the ring and the Corps. But i'm sure a good writer could do it without Legion if it were neccesary, but I dont think it would be. Like I said earlier, most hero movies start off with the hero going after nameless thugs, saving people from various catastrophies like plane crashes, or fighting villains unrelated to the main conflict. Hal's got to do something before Sinestro betrays the Corps, dont see why that can't be fighting Legion.


As I said before, that's simply where the comic picks up the story at. The story of the Green Lantern Corps as told by the comics starts with Rori Dag of Rojira. The comics first picks up at Hal Jordan, the movie could very well pick up later. Star Wars picked up with Luke Skywalker, even though Anakin was the one to "start the story off."

They started with Luke because that was the story that would most easily bring the audience in and excite them. Lucas knew that starting with Episode 1 might not grab the audiences attention (and boy oh boy was he right) and he might not have even had a chance to tell his other 5 stories. Of course, that doesn't apply to Green Lantern. A lot of people have read Emerald Dawn, it's a good book. That gambles not really there, at least not more than any other Green Lantern movie. The Green Lantern concept could be a hard one to sell, and Emerald Dawn's proven it can do it quite well.




And your Batman analogy is ludicris. Look at X-Men.

How does that statement make sense?

Was the public's first intro to the X-Men world with the origional 5? This idea that comics continuity is important in making the movies about these characters has been proven wrong again, and again and again.

No, but it should've been.

What planet do you live on, where people make more than trilogies? Either Planet Rocky or Planet 15+ years later (Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, etc). In either case come to the 2000s and get real, dude. If you can explain WHY it is that all movies come in trilogies nowadays, then perhaps you can explain why a GL movie would be immune to this?

Regardless, since we're offering:

GL1: Hal, John, Sinestro, Katma Tui, Kilowogg.
GL2: Hal (ringless), John, Guy, Katma, Fatality, Arisia, Tomar-Re, Kilowogg
GL3: Parallax(Hal), John, Kyle, Guy, Kilowogg, Mogo, Raker Quirrigat, Arisia

Then I'd spin Kyle off into his own TV show, either as "The Last GL" or an Ion thing. It's just naive to think he can get his own movie or trilogy just because he had a lot of comics.

See how that includes everyone? And the only sacrifice is that Hal Jordan is not the centerpiece. An easy price to pay, imho.

Just because they dont make more than 3 movies doesn't mean they shouldn't. Look at the Spider-Man films. They have 2 great movies out already, and the third looks awesome. Everything I've heard about the plot suggests that at the end, even if they dont go through with another one, they'd be able to and it'd be great.

Of course, the biggest problem is getting the cast and crew to come back, but with a Green Lantern series switching off main characters every so often, that wouldn't be a problem. the only cast you'd have to keep around are the side characters, which never seems to be a problem. Michael Gough stuck around for all the old Batman films. The kid who played Jimmy Olsen did all 4 Superman films and even Supergirl.

There's no magic curse that immediatley makes 4th films suck. I'm sick and tired of everyone always babbling on about "trilogies". Everytime a movie franchise is announced or even talked about, people want it to be a trilogy. Thor trilogy, Green Lantern trilogy, Iron Man trilogy, Ms. Marvel trilogy, Martian Manhunter trilogy. Shut up with the damn trilogies!

[GL1]

The point I'm trying to make is that not being part of the GLC is a pretty big difference. Oh, he's just like the others expect not part of the GLC. Yeah, that's called not being just like the others. The GLC is a huge part of what defines them.

Without the GLC, John, Hal and Guy, and ESPECIALLY Kyle would still be the same types of people, the same types of heroes. You are incorrect.

i said that them interacting in a movie doesn't make sense, because it doesn't. The general movie-going public is not going to accept half the **** that goes on in comics. You cant do universe-merging crossover events and retcons and **** like that in movies. My point was that it would be impossible to make a single movie with Alan Scott where he interacts with the Green Lantern Corps, and have the movie be anything but a jumbled confused mess only comic-fans could understand.

What is it about Alan Scott meeting Hal Jordan that the public would not understand?

"Hi, I'm Alan."
"Hi, I'm Hal."
*Audience's heads explode!!!!* :wow:

Movies are faithful to the CHARACTERS (at best) not to the STORIES.

You know, they probably could do a Star Wars like thing. Instead of starting with the Anakin Skywalker-type (Hal), I guess they could start off with the Luke Skywalker-type. Of course, that's not John. That's Kyle. I still dont think that'd be nearly as good as a Hal movie, partially because Parralax isn't near as good a villain as Darth Vader to get people interesting in knowing who he was before hand.

What stops movie Parallax from being that good? What stops the GL franchise from using a John-type instead of a Luke-type?

Movies are faithful to the CHARACTERS (at best) not to the STORIES.

Ah, yes. The killer Batman. Also known as the Golden Age Batman, similar to how Alan Scott is the Golden Age Green Lantern. Yet, I don't recall that Batman being the one we saw in Batman Begins. No, they chose to start the story where current continuity starts it, which is at Year One.

Movies are faithful to the CHARACTERS (at best) not to the STORIES.

I'm not saying it has to happen word for word panel for panel like Emerald Dawn. I never once said that. I simply feel it should happen along the same lines, like all good comic-movies have so far. Peter Parker's bitten, he wrestles, Uncle killed, becomes Superhero. Krypton explodes, Kal-El lands, meets the Kents, goes to Metropolis, becomes Superhero. Trivial basics, details aren't a big deal.

John Stewart gets a ring, he gets trained, John is unorthodox, John is questioned and hated on, John turns out to be right in the end and saves the day. Trivial basics... details (Guy being before John, John seeing Hal in action) aren't a big deal.

See your double standard? John has to conform to details while no one else does?

That doesn't matter at all. These movies are designed for those who know nothing of the comics. A Corps member existing in the comics is no different than a cop character existing in the screenplay for the film. As far as your average moviegoers mother is concerned, these characters dont exist.

Neither do any of the stories, which you keep adamantly presenting as how things should go.

Movies are faithful to the CHARACTERS (at best) not to the STORIES.

You dont see the difference between combining Batman and Robin, and Ra's al Ghul and Ducard? Two iconic characters who's names are known by all, vs. one semi-popular villain amongst comic-book fans, and one minor character whos appeared in maybe a couple comic-issues. Trust me, there's a difference.

Hal Jordan isn't known by all, neither is Emerald Dawn... sounds like they can be changed completely by this standard.

Carmine Falcone? Him and his henchmen were Batman's first fight, to kind of set himself up and let him be known to the public. After that, he went after the real menace in the film. Just because Carmine Falcone didn't have superpowers and wasn't a giant yellow monster doesn't make it count any less.

Carmine Falcone was hired by Ra's. He was an integral part of the story to transfer the viewer from the realm of the mundane (organized crime) to the fantastic (a league of ninjas that take over the world). He served several purposes, the least of which was to 'test the heroe's mettle.'

Okay, sure. No big deal really. Still think Legion could work, but they could definatley do it without him. Granted, we'd probably end up with some kind of cheesy final death scene where Abin is like "the... traitor... is... Si.. blegh!" and dies, or he'd already be dead and he wouldn't get to speak to Hal about the ring and the Corps. But i'm sure a good writer could do it without Legion if it were neccesary, but I dont think it would be. Like I said earlier, most hero movies start off with the hero going after nameless thugs, saving people from various catastrophies like plane crashes, or fighting villains unrelated to the main conflict. Hal's got to do something before Sinestro betrays the Corps, dont see why that can't be fighting Legion.

What superhero movie has villains unrelated to the main conflict? Especially in the first film? Namless thugs and natural disasters are one thing, but when you introduce a villain and you build him up, he has to go somewhere or you're making a bad movie.

They started with Luke because that was the story that would most easily bring the audience in and excite them. Lucas knew that starting with Episode 1 might not grab the audiences attention (and boy oh boy was he right) and he might not have even had a chance to tell his other 5 stories. Of course, that doesn't apply to Green Lantern. A lot of people have read Emerald Dawn, it's a good book. That gambles not really there, at least not more than any other Green Lantern movie. The Green Lantern concept could be a hard one to sell, and Emerald Dawn's proven it can do it quite well.

A lot of people have read Mosaic, it's a good book. That gamble is not really there, even less so than any other GL movie. Mosaic has proven it can do it quite well, even without marketting and against editorial.

No, but it should've been.

Just like the Public's first intro to Star wars should have been young Anakin? Either we need to start at the beginning or start at the one which best introduces the audience to the characters, MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

Movies are faithful to the CHARACTERS (at best) not to the STORIES.

Just because they dont make more than 3 movies doesn't mean they shouldn't. Look at the Spider-Man films. They have 2 great movies out already, and the third looks awesome. Everything I've heard about the plot suggests that at the end, even if they dont go through with another one, they'd be able to and it'd be great.

Of course, the biggest problem is getting the cast and crew to come back, but with a Green Lantern series switching off main characters every so often, that wouldn't be a problem. the only cast you'd have to keep around are the side characters, which never seems to be a problem. Michael Gough stuck around for all the old Batman films. The kid who played Jimmy Olsen did all 4 Superman films and even Supergirl.

There's no magic curse that immediatley makes 4th films suck. I'm sick and tired of everyone always babbling on about "trilogies". Everytime a movie franchise is announced or even talked about, people want it to be a trilogy. Thor trilogy, Green Lantern trilogy, Iron Man trilogy, Ms. Marvel trilogy, Martian Manhunter trilogy. Shut up with the damn trilogies!

Would you be excited to go see a new Matrix movie just because it didn't star Neo? The biggest problem has always been keeping interest, that's not just actors, that's directors and audience as well. To say nothing of marketting by big studios who know the trilogy sells better than anything else. To say nothing of classic beginning middle and end storytelling. Your understand of the trilogy concept is misinformed, and you have failed to provide a reason why a GL franchise can overcome it.

Now can you address your double standards? Or your inability to deal with the fact that the storylines for a GL movie not only can, but WILL be drastically different, just as they are in other comic book movies you love? Or that it's okay for a GL movie to pick up later in the story than Hal's origin?

[Katsuro]

Without the GLC, John, Hal and Guy, and ESPECIALLY Kyle would still be the same types of people, the same types of heroes. You are incorrect.

I just plain ol' disagree. Not much else I can say but that.

What is it about Alan Scott meeting Hal Jordan that the public would not understand?

"Hi, I'm Alan."
"Hi, I'm Hal."
*Audience's heads explode!!!!* :wow:

Wow. that's absolutley brilliant. Where did you get your screenwriting degree? I guess I was wrong. Here you have presented a perfectly logical scenario in which two heroes with the same power and same name, yet completely different unrelated origins come together without the need for the merging of multiple earths or tons of crazy explanation. Could you perhaps write a scene in which Earth 1 Superman and Earth 2 Superman meet, without a Crisis? I mean, i've kinda got an idea in my head of how it might go, but i'm no screenwriter. Could you give me some pointers. Here goes:

"Hi, i'm Clark"
"Hi, i'm Clark too!"

How's that?

What stops movie Parallax from being that good? What stops the GL franchise from using a John-type instead of a Luke-type?

Nothing "stops him from being good", he just really isn't. He's an okay villain, but Vader is ****in' legendary. And as for using a John-type, wtf is a John-type anyway? Anakin's the great big hero who falls and destroys the rest, Luke's the young, inexperienced new guy who rebuilds it from destruction, what is John? Some random chump along the way? Star Wars could've started from Anakin or Luke, but it never would've started with some random Jedi that came after Anakin. Star Wars didn't really have anyone like that, so I cant give an example, but you can imagne what I mean.

John Stewart gets a ring, he gets trained, John is unorthodox, John is questioned and hated on, John turns out to be right in the end and saves the day. Trivial basics... details (Guy being before John, John seeing Hal in action) aren't a big deal.

See your double standard? John has to conform to details while no one else does?


Once again, you dont seem to see the equality between the statement "seeing Hal in action" and "succeding Hal". They go hand in hand. Are we to assume that John is recruited into the Green Lantern Corps having zero clue as to their existence, even though Hal's been acting as the Green Lantern of that Sector for years?

Guy, on the other hand, could probably be left out, I'll agree to that. He's easily the least popular of the 4 bigger Lanterns of 2814.

Neither do any of the stories, which you keep adamantly presenting as how things should go.

Any good adaptation should be able to both remain faithful to the original stories, AND be coherant enough to bring in newcomers.

A lot of people have read Mosaic, it's a good book. That gamble is not really there, even less so than any other GL movie. Mosaic has proven it can do it quite well, even without marketting and against editorial.

Can anyone who's never read a Green Lantern comic in their life, nor know anything about him, pick up Mosiac and have a good idea of what's going on? Are you suggesting they base the first film off of Mosiac, because if not, your point was lost completely. My point was that it's been proven that Hal Jordan's origin is a good starting point for the series.

Just like the Public's first intro to Star wars should have been young Anakin? Either we need to start at the beginning or start at the one which best introduces the audience to the characters, MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

Like i said earlier, the only way to truly "start at the beginning" is to open the film with the dawn of time. I've told you a thousand times that when I say "start at the beginning" i mean start where the original story started in it's original form.

And I dont need to make up my mind, when I can have both. Hal Jordan does both of those, John Stewart does neither.


You still haven't given me a single good reason to start with John Stewart, other than him being your favorite. This whole argument seems to have been Hal vs. not-Hal. I provide why it should be Hal, and you attempt to disprove that. There's not one thing John could offer that Hal, Kyle, or even Guy would offer in terms of storytelling.

[DrayvensCrow]

Yikes! I thought this was the GL casting thread and somehow I've stumbled upon the War And Peace discussion! Jeez those are some loooong answers!

[GL1]

Wow. that's absolutley brilliant. Where did you get your screenwriting degree? I guess I was wrong. Here you have presented a perfectly logical scenario in which two heroes with the same power and same name, yet completely different unrelated origins come together without the need for the merging of multiple earths or tons of crazy explanation. Could you perhaps write a scene in which Earth 1 Superman and Earth 2 Superman meet, without a Crisis? I mean, i've kinda got an idea in my head of how it might go, but i'm no screenwriter. Could you give me some pointers. Here goes:

"Hi, i'm Clark"
"Hi, i'm Clark too!"

How's that?

With two Supermen you have to explain how one got to a different dimensino.

With two Green Lanterns you have to explain how one got to a different city. Furthermore, their origins ARE related.

Nothing "stops him from being good", he just really isn't. He's an okay villain, but Vader is ****in' legendary. And as for using a John-type, wtf is a John-type anyway? Anakin's the great big hero who falls and destroys the rest, Luke's the young, inexperienced new guy who rebuilds it from destruction, what is John? Some random chump along the way? Star Wars could've started from Anakin or Luke, but it never would've started with some random Jedi that came after Anakin. Star Wars didn't really have anyone like that, so I cant give an example, but you can imagne what I mean.

Read the comics if you don't know what a John type is. He's certainly not a random GL. He has very specific strengths and character traits that have had a severe impact on the GLC. But you would have to know comics to know stuff like that.

Once again, you dont seem to see the equality between the statement "seeing Hal in action" and "succeding Hal". They go hand in hand. Are we to assume that John is recruited into the Green Lantern Corps having zero clue as to their existence, even though Hal's been acting as the Green Lantern of that Sector for years?

There is no equality.

Movies are faithful to the CHARACTERS (at best) not to the STORIES.

Any good adaptation should be able to both remain faithful to the original stories, AND be coherant enough to bring in newcomers.

By "faithful" do you mean: keeping only the most basic details?

Can anyone who's never read a Green Lantern comic in their life, nor know anything about him, pick up Mosiac and have a good idea of what's going on? Are you suggesting they base the first film off of Mosiac, because if not, your point was lost completely. My point was that it's been proven that Hal Jordan's origin is a good starting point for the series.

Yes. They can. Not only that, but it illustrates that your percieved value of ED's success is completely irrelevant.

Like i said earlier, the only way to truly "start at the beginning" is to open the film with the dawn of time. I've told you a thousand times that when I say "start at the beginning" i mean start where the original story started in it's original form.

Origional form or present continuity? Start at the beginning or start at the beginning of the story? You have no point.

And I dont need to make up my mind, when I can have both. Hal Jordan does both of those, John Stewart does neither.

Wow. Hal Jordan started the GL Corps? Amazing. Furthermore, I have to ask... what does the GLC mean to you? Because if what you saw in ED is what you know about the GLC, then it's no wonder you think a Hal-centric franchise can capture Green Lanterndom.

You still haven't given me a single good reason to start with John Stewart, other than him being your favorite. This whole argument seems to have been Hal vs. not-Hal. I provide why it should be Hal, and you attempt to disprove that. There's not one thing John could offer that Hal, Kyle, or even Guy would offer in terms of storytelling.

A challenge!

1) Analysis. John Stewart is the thinker, and as such, provides the best narration, reflection and analysis of the world. He asks the most questions every day of the week, and thus, is the best for helping the audience understand the Green Lantern Universe.

2) Contructs. John builds things from architecture, than seem real and practical. That makes not only for the coolest looking special effects, but it also makes them seem less cartoony than having hands and magna characters pop out of thin air.

3) Exposure. John is the most exposed and publically identifiable GL at this time.

4) Most connected to the GLC. Hal has close bonds with all of Earth's GLs, especially Kyle. Not that the GL movie has to follow the comics exactly, but there is a basis for close relationships with all the supporting characters other than being just their savior (in the case of Hal). John has the most diverse relationships, and is thus, the most interesting to see played out.

5) Diversity. John is markedly different from other dime-a-dozen superheroes, from his look, to his attitude, to his background, to his media exposure. He's just different, and that piques curiosity, which is obviously a VERY good thing. Nobody wants to go see "Spider-Man with a ring" or "Super Top Gun."

[batbat_29640]

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Nice 'Mal' Jordan there Maj! But do I spy Ernie Hudson as John?And no offense but I don't want to see Gyllenhal anywhere near a DC movie. I'd rather see Milo Ventimiglia ( Peter Petrelli from Heroes) as Kyle. But that's just my opinion. For some reason I just don't like Gyllenhal. Might have something to do with the whole "Gyllenhal for Dent" mess. Hudson would have been a great John though.

[Katsuro]

With two Supermen you have to explain how one got to a different dimensino.

With two Green Lanterns you have to explain how one got to a different city. Furthermore, their origins ARE related.

Their origins may be slightly related, but it's in such a distant, far-out way that explaining it in a 2 hour movie would be impossible. It would not be a good movie, and it would all go over audiences heads. It would also be unfaithful to the character, as while Alan Scott may have interacted with the Corps from time to time, it is by no means something he does regularly.


There is no equality.

So, what? John doesn't pay attention to current events, then? Wow, some brilliant mind he must be, he doesn't even watch the damn news. Maybe he wouldn't ask so many questions if he paid attention to the world around him.


By "faithful" do you mean: keeping only the most basic details?

That part of it, yeah. Kinda. The way you put it makes it sound a bit extreme, but following the basics is pretty much what's imporant. OMG BRUCE WAYNE WAS 30 INSTEAD OF MID-TWENTIES WHEN HE BECAME BATMAN?!?! TRAVESTY!!!!


Origional form or present continuity? Start at the beginning or start at the beginning of the story? You have no point.

Perhaps I misspoke. By "original form", I mean whatever you are adapting. Whether that be Golden Age stories, or updated Post-Crisis rewrites of origins. It seems logical they'd adapt present continuity, since that's what comic fans are familiar with these days. Not to mention if you're gonna adapt the stories of the Golden Age, you'd have to keep the spirit of the comics, which is very, very campy.


Wow. Hal Jordan started the GL Corps? Amazing. Furthermore, I have to ask... what does the GLC mean to you? Because if what you saw in ED is what you know about the GLC, then it's no wonder you think a Hal-centric franchise can capture Green Lanterndom.

I didn't say he started the Corps, I said that he's both where the current story "picks up", and the character who best introduces the world to the audience.


A challenge!

1) Analysis. John Stewart is the thinker, and as such, provides the best narration, reflection and analysis of the world. He asks the most questions every day of the week, and thus, is the best for helping the audience understand the Green Lantern Universe.

I still dont see how he'd help the audience understand the universe better than Hal. As I've point out a thousand times, John would not be new to the concept like Hal would. Having a character as new to the world as the audience helps the audience get aquainted with it along with the character.

2) Contructs. John builds things from architecture, than seem real and practical. That makes not only for the coolest looking special effects, but it also makes them seem less cartoony than having hands and magna characters pop out of thin air.

First of all, the manga **** is Kyle's. But as for a lot of other stuff, isn't that what makes Green Lanterns fun? It's a power that's fueled by their imagination, so what fun is a Green Lantern who just does what's practical and real when they can add flair and imagination to it? How does that make the coolest special effects, I'd say it makes the most boring effects.

3) Exposure. John is the most exposed and publically identifiable GL at this time.

Personally, i'd prefer they lose a little money on opening weekend due to a less familiar character, then make it up in the long run due to a better movie.

4) Most connected to the GLC. Hal has close bonds with all of Earth's GLs, especially Kyle. Not that the GL movie has to follow the comics exactly, but there is a basis for close relationships with all the supporting characters other than being just their savior (in the case of Hal). John has the most diverse relationships, and is thus, the most interesting to see played out.

He may be the most connected to the GLC, but dont act like Hal has no interaction with them whatsoever. Hal interacts with the Corps plenty, and not just when he's "being their savior". It's not like John was the only one to fall in love with a fellow Green Lantern.

5) Diversity. John is markedly different from other dime-a-dozen superheroes, from his look, to his attitude, to his background, to his media exposure. He's just different, and that piques curiosity, which is obviously a VERY good thing. Nobody wants to go see "Spider-Man with a ring" or "Super Top Gun."

The concept of the Green Lantern by itself makes it diverse. The only Green Lantern that would be "Spider-Man with a ring" would be Alan Scott.


Nice 'Mal' Jordan there Maj! But do I spy Ernie Hudson as John?And no offense but I don't want to see Gyllenhal anywhere near a DC movie. I'd rather see Milo Ventimiglia ( Peter Petrelli from Heroes) as Kyle. But that's just my opinion. For some reason I just don't like Gyllenhal. Might have something to do with the whole "Gyllenhal for Dent" mess. Hudson would have been a great John though.


I dont think that's Jake Gyllenhaal. Even worse, I think it's Zack from Saved by the Bell in that picture.

[Cobblepot]

Hal Jordan - Clive Owen

[GL1]

Their origins may be slightly related, but it's in such a distant, far-out way that explaining it in a 2 hour movie would be impossible. It would not be a good movie, and it would all go over audiences heads. It would also be unfaithful to the character, as while Alan Scott may have interacted with the Corps from time to time, it is by no means something he does regularly.

If Hal is a supporting character, why go in depth on his origin at all? The bolded statement is logic that has never applied to anything ever. It's actually pretty silly.

So, what? John doesn't pay attention to current events, then? Wow, some brilliant mind he must be, he doesn't even watch the damn news. Maybe he wouldn't ask so many questions if he paid attention to the world around him.

Quetion: How many times has Movie Hal Jordan saved the day?
Answer: As many times as the writer decides that he has.

Question: How public have these displays been? How much coverage have they recieved? Have they all been on earth? How recent have they been?
Answer: It's up to the writer?

That part of it, yeah. Kinda. The way you put it makes it sound a bit extreme, but following the basics is pretty much what's imporant. OMG BRUCE WAYNE WAS 30 INSTEAD OF MID-TWENTIES WHEN HE BECAME BATMAN?!?! TRAVESTY!!!!

OH NOES! JOHN HASN'T SEEN HAL IN ACTION!! TRAVESTY!! OMG ALAN SCOTT IS MEETING HAL JORDAN!!! TRAVESTY!!!

Hypocrite.

Perhaps I misspoke. By "original form", I mean whatever you are adapting. Whether that be Golden Age stories, or updated Post-Crisis rewrites of origins. It seems logical they'd adapt present continuity, since that's what comic fans are familiar with these days. Not to mention if you're gonna adapt the stories of the Golden Age, you'd have to keep the spirit of the comics, which is very, very campy.

Pre Robin? Hardly. It also seems evident that they always make MAJOR changes to continuity. But you are ignoring that.

I didn't say he started the Corps, I said that he's both where the current story "picks up", and the character who best introduces the world to the audience.

No, you said that's where the story starts, which is wrong. Furthermore, you've failed to state why Hal best introduces the world to the audience. At all.

I still dont see how he'd help the audience understand the universe better than Hal. As I've point out a thousand times, John would not be new to the concept like Hal would. Having a character as new to the world as the audience helps the audience get aquainted with it along with the character.

Hal was not new to the concept, either. He was familar with GL comics. Furthermore, having a minimal knowledge of the world, such as Anakin or Luke had, can also enhance the character's ability to introduce the world.

First of all, the manga **** is Kyle's. But as for a lot of other stuff, isn't that what makes Green Lanterns fun? It's a power that's fueled by their imagination, so what fun is a Green Lantern who just does what's practical and real when they can add flair and imagination to it? How does that make the coolest special effects, I'd say it makes the most boring effects.[/.quote]

Your reading comprehension here REALLY sucks. Look up the word "seems." The way John produces his fantastic creations makes for better special effects.

[quote]Personally, i'd prefer they lose a little money on opening weekend due to a less familiar character, then make it up in the long run due to a better movie.

Like you said: Why not both: Money upfront for familiarity and long run money for a better movie. I've given reasons why John would be better, and you have only hypocritically made comments about "being faithful."

He may be the most connected to the GLC, but dont act like Hal has no interaction with them whatsoever. Hal interacts with the Corps plenty, and not just when he's "being their savior". It's not like John was the only one to fall in love with a fellow Green Lantern.

Of course Hal has interactions, John's are just better, deeper and more diverse.

The concept of the Green Lantern by itself makes it diverse. The only Green Lantern that would be "Spider-Man with a ring" would be Alan Scott.

Wow, where is the logic dude, where is the logic? It's not diverse if you center on the typical superhero (Hal) and minimize everything else into supporting cast.

Man, you're a stand up guy, but you have, NO arguement. You're hypocritical, using double standards and logic that doesn't fly and most of your case against John involves minor details from the comics that YOU have stated aren't important. You just want Hal because he's your favorite. I've not only shown my favorite to be a better option, but made it clear that an Ensemble movie trumps all, even so much as to put it in my sig.

My closing arguements:

1) John is a better candidate than Hal Jordan for a movie because of his Analysis, Constructs, Diversity, Exposure and relationships.

2) And Ensemble GL movie has all the strengths of any other GL movie and none of the weaknesses.

That's all there is to say.

Next post: Casting.

[sepharih]

GL1.....you've convinced me.

[batbat_29640]

Hal Jordan - Clive OwenI'm on the Fillion bandwagon.

[Katsuro]

If Hal is a supporting character, why go in depth on his origin at all? The bolded statement is logic that has never applied to anything ever. It's actually pretty silly.

How the hell else are you gonna explain the existence of two Green Lanterns when one of them is Alan Scott. With two GLC members it's easy, as you can just assume the other was recruited by the Corps too. But with Alan, you wouldn't even know who the Corps was!


Quetion: How many times has Movie Hal Jordan saved the day?
Answer: As many times as the writer decides that he has.

Question: How public have these displays been? How much coverage have they recieved? Have they all been on earth? How recent have they been?
Answer: It's up to the writer?

So, you get on me about reducing the rest of the Corps to supporting cast, yet you want to make Hal Jordan a hero who hasn't done one noteworthy deed? You want him to not do one single act that's worthy of making it on the news?


OH NOES! JOHN HASN'T SEEN HAL IN ACTION!! TRAVESTY!! OMG ALAN SCOTT IS MEETING HAL JORDAN!!! TRAVESTY!!!

Hypocrite.

there's no gray with you, is there? To you, there's no difference between aging Bruce Wayne a couple years, and making John the first GL of Earth (since I dont think your Hal even counts as a Green Lantern, he just liked to wear the suit and lounge around). and I never said him meeting Alan Scott was unfaithful, I said it was ridiculously complex and would fly over the heads of the audience.

Pre Robin? Hardly. It also seems evident that they always make MAJOR changes to continuity. But you are ignoring that.

Again, we have differing opinions on what's a "major" change.


No, you said that's where the story starts, which is wrong. Furthermore, you've failed to state why Hal best introduces the world to the audience. At all.

No, I haven't. I've said it many, many times. Again and again, in practically every post of mine. Would you like me to state it again, just in case you missed it last time? Lemme sum it up.

Hal Jordan best introduces the audience to the Green Lantern universe because he's new. He's never seen a Green Lantern, and he's never seen a power ring. The audience is the same way. Green Lantern comics are not popular, and the character is not mainstream. He's never had his own TV show or movie, and you almost never find a reference to him in the mainstream. No one knows him, therefor you need to introduce the concept properly.


Hal was not new to the concept, either. He was familar with GL comics. Furthermore, having a minimal knowledge of the world, such as Anakin or Luke had, can also enhance the character's ability to introduce the world.

Yeah, that Hal reading GL comics thing, it's not making it in. And before you start calling me a hypocrite, making Hal not read comics is a very small change, especially since it's a change that was made in the Crisis. It's a lot different than rewriting Hal's entire character and history.


Your reading comprehension here REALLY sucks. Look up the word "seems." The way John produces his fantastic creations makes for better special effects.

Disagreed.


Like you said: Why not both: Money upfront for familiarity and long run money for a better movie. I've given reasons why John would be better, and you have only hypocritically made comments about "being faithful."

No, i've given plenty of reasons why Hal would be better than John, you've just chosen to ignore them. I still cant see how you'd start a John Stewart movie anyways. Hal's origin practically writes itself, even without Emerald Dawn. Who wants to watch a movie about a guy hired as a replacment for a backup? Even if you leave out Guy, he's still Hal's backup. Of course, I dont even think that'd be a bad movie as long as it wasn't the first GL movie. If they did a Hal Jordan movie first, then brought John in as the main GL of the second movie, that'd be okay. But as the first movie, it just doesn't make sense.

Wow, where is the logic dude, where is the logic? It's not diverse if you center on the typical superhero (Hal) and minimize everything else into supporting cast.

Just because the rest of the Corps are supporting cast from the film's perspective, doesnt mean they're not still there. You're acting like I want to put them in as background characters with one or two lines. No, a supporting cast can be well-developed characters with personalities and even sub-plots of their own. And you keep talking about an "ensemble" movie, but how many action movies have you even seen that star an "ensemble". Han Solo and Chewie may have had a lot of screen-time, but make no mistake Luke Skywalker WAS the star of the OT. Neo was the star of The Matrix, and Frodo was the star of Lord of the Rings. You cant make a true ensemble movie, because 2 hours just isn't enough time to develop that many characters.

If you weren't so stubborn, you'd be able to see that the way i'm suggesting would give everyone their fair shot. You start a movie with Hal, and the only way to move is forward. The other GLs can be brought in down the line. Hal's origin for the first movie, Hal recruiting John (shown from John's perspective) for the second or third movie, followed by the destruction of the Corps by Parralax and the rebirth by Kyle. And if you want the Corps as an ensemble so badly, give them a spinoff TV show. It's so much easier to do an ensemble on TV than in a movie. And as for Guy, introduce him ever so slightly in the main films, then throw him in a Super-Buddies movie.

Now the conversation's over. Quitsies. No anti-quitsies. No startsies.

[batbat_29640]

Their origins may be slightly related, but it's in such a distant, far-out way that explaining it in a 2 hour movie would be impossible. It would not be a good movie, and it would all go over audiences heads. It would also be unfaithful to the character, as while Alan Scott may have interacted with the Corps from time to time, it is by no means something he does regularly.




So, what? John doesn't pay attention to current events, then? Wow, some brilliant mind he must be, he doesn't even watch the damn news. Maybe he wouldn't ask so many questions if he paid attention to the world around him.




That part of it, yeah. Kinda. The way you put it makes it sound a bit extreme, but following the basics is pretty much what's imporant. OMG BRUCE WAYNE WAS 30 INSTEAD OF MID-TWENTIES WHEN HE BECAME BATMAN?!?! TRAVESTY!!!!




Perhaps I misspoke. By "original form", I mean whatever you are adapting. Whether that be Golden Age stories, or updated Post-Crisis rewrites of origins. It seems logical they'd adapt present continuity, since that's what comic fans are familiar with these days. Not to mention if you're gonna adapt the stories of the Golden Age, you'd have to keep the spirit of the comics, which is very, very campy.




I didn't say he started the Corps, I said that he's both where the current story "picks up", and the character who best introduces the world to the audience.




I still dont see how he'd help the audience understand the universe better than Hal. As I've point out a thousand times, John would not be new to the concept like Hal would. Having a character as new to the world as the audience helps the audience get aquainted with it along with the character.



First of all, the manga **** is Kyle's. But as for a lot of other stuff, isn't that what makes Green Lanterns fun? It's a power that's fueled by their imagination, so what fun is a Green Lantern who just does what's practical and real when they can add flair and imagination to it? How does that make the coolest special effects, I'd say it makes the most boring effects.



Personally, i'd prefer they lose a little money on opening weekend due to a less familiar character, then make it up in the long run due to a better movie.



He may be the most connected to the GLC, but dont act like Hal has no interaction with them whatsoever. Hal interacts with the Corps plenty, and not just when he's "being their savior". It's not like John was the only one to fall in love with a fellow Green Lantern.



The concept of the Green Lantern by itself makes it diverse. The only Green Lantern that would be "Spider-Man with a ring" would be Alan Scott.



I dont think that's Jake Gyllenhaal. Even worse, I think it's Zack from Saved by the Bell in that picture.Please tell me you're beeing sarcastic.

[Penguin]

James Marsden.

[GL1]

"The Green Lantern"
First Billing:
John Stewart: Derek Luke
Hal Jordan: Nathan Fillion
Kilowogg: Dennis Haysbert
Sinestro: Ralph Fiennes
Katma Tui: Kelly Hu
Supporting Cast:
Ganthet: Ian Holm
Salaak: Brent Spiner
Carol Ferris: Courtney Cox
Kyle Rayner: Hunter Gomez
G'nort: Andy Serkis
Manhunters: Voiced by Keith David
Tomar Re: Seth Green

"Green Lantern: 2814"
First Billing:
John Stewart: Derek Luke
Katma Tui: Kelly Hu
Kilowogg: Dennis Haysbert
Tomar Re: Seth Green
Arisia: Dakota Fanning
Fatality: Gabrielle Union
Guy Gardener: Sean William Scott
Supporting Cast: (other than, y'know, voiceless CGI parallax)
Old Timer: Ian MacKellen
Mogo: Voiced by James Earl Jones
Hal Jordan: Nathan Fillion
Carol Ferris: Courtney Cox
Salaak, G'nort, Ganthet, etc.

[Franklin Richards]

Hal Jordan

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/mel-hal.jpg

John Stewart

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/ll-john.bmp

Guy Gardner

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/denis-guy.jpg

Kyle Rayner

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/jake-kyle.jpg

Alan Scott

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/rob-alan.jpg

[Franklin Richards]

Abin-Sur

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/sam-abinsur.jpg

Sinestro

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/hugo-sinestro.jpg

Star Sapphire / Carol Ferris

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/cathy-star.jpg


:gl: :gl: :gl:

[Eddie Dean]

Denis Leary would have made a great Guy Gardner.

[Katsuro]

Please tell me you're beeing sarcastic.

Nope, i'm pretty sure it's Zack.

[Rorschach2012]

mr dean is dead on!

[Jordacar]

I'd like to throw in another suggestion for Guy: Christian Finnegan
http://www.christianfinnegan.com/uploaded_images/Thanks%20Everybody-796364.JPG

warmer?

[DrayvensCrow]

I'd like to throw in another suggestion for Guy: Christian Finnegan
http://www.christianfinnegan.com/uploaded_images/Thanks%20Everybody-796364.JPG

warmer?

Only if you define "warmer" as "below freezing"! That's right up there with Jack Black!:dry:

[Jordacar]

Only if you define "warmer" as "below freezing"! That's right up there with Jack Black!:dry:

Yeah, I didn't think so either.
But I still haven't heard the right one. I know he's out there somewhere. Who's the one guy who absolutely is Guy?

Let's get specific: What are those key scenes in the history of Guy that the actor who plays him must qualify for?

Ex: Guy's one-panel fight with Batman.

[The Techno Bat]

Denis Leary would have made a great Guy Gardner.

I agree, Denis would have made a great Guy Gardner about 10-12 years ago. He definately has that attitude, he is excellent on Rescue Me with his fly off the handle irish attitude!

[GL1]

Abin-Sur

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/sam-abinsur.jpg

Sinestro

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Green%20Lantern/hugo-sinestro.jpg

:gl: :gl: :gl:

While many of Frank's cast seems 10-12 years ago, or perhaps for a movie that picks up after GL v4, these two castings seem impossible to argue with.

[Eddie Dean]

I agree, Denis would have made a great Guy Gardner about 10-12 years ago. He definately has that attitude, he is excellent on Rescue Me with his fly off the handle irish attitude!
You know who else would have been great? Bruce Willis.

While many of Frank's cast seems 10-12 years ago, or perhaps for a movie that picks up after GL v4, these two castings seem impossible to argue with.
Gyllenhaal could work also. I'm not a big fan of him, but he could work.

[ShadowBoxing]

Bradley Cooper "the Sack" is Guy Gardener.

And BTW John Stewarts origin sucks as a first scene.

Guardian: He is our choice for the replacement.
Hal: Him...really?
Guardian: Yes.
Hal: Okay then...

[Eddie Dean]

Yup, him or Timothy Olyphant.

[Jordacar]

Bradley Cooper "the Sack" is Guy Gardener.


Maybe I just haven't seen him in enough stuff (besides alias). I bet he'd be an excellent Guy, but something about him just doesn't quite make it for me.

[batbat_29640]

Nope, i'm pretty sure it's Zack.Damn you're right. Can't believe I missed that! Yeah man that whole "Gyllenhal for Dent" rant really did mess me up. Alright I can see him as Kyle.

[GL1]

Bradley Cooper "the Sack" is Guy Gardener.

And BTW John Stewarts origin sucks as a first scene.

Guardian: He is our choice for the replacement.
Hal: Him...really?
Guardian: Yes.
Hal: Okay then...

Wow... the 'leave out the good part' game...

Abin Sur: Ah, I'm dying... better send out a ring.
-The End-

I'd rather have an intelligent arguement instead, if possible.

[Johnny Drama]

I have always said David Boreanaz for Hal Jordan/Green Lantern!!!


Dude, Boreanez would be AMAZING as Hal Jordan.

Milo Ventimiglia for Rayner

[GL1]

Why? Seriously, give me a reason, cuz I never get it... Borneaz? He's in the right age bracket, he can get the right look... but other than that?

[Katsuro]

Wow... the 'leave out the good part' game...

Abin Sur: Ah, I'm dying... better send out a ring.
-The End-

I'd rather have an intelligent arguement instead, if possible.

Expand it, then. If you think ShadowBoxing did a poor job of summarizing John's origin, I want to know how you think it should be done. If he left out the good part then tell us, what is the good part?

[GL1]

I will not expand it. I have several lengthy posts that deal with this very same fallacy, in this same therad, I believe.

I will state the obvious, to underline how dumb this jab is. The good part is obviously what happens to John's personal life when he gets the ring... y'know, it gets totally shot to heck. Same with Hal, the interesting part isn't why he got the ring, it's what he does with it, and what it does to him.

A lot of people like to forget there was specific reason why John Stewart was selected... and it wasn't because he's black.

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow... the 'leave out the good part' game...
Actually no, that was the beginning of the issue...unless by good part you mean where they find Guy incapacitated. And so for the rest of the movie (if we go by that story) without knowing who Hal is we realize that "no you shouldn't judge by the color of skin...because anyone can be a Green Lantern so long as they have no fear".

And if you don't set up who Hal is or why the hell they need more human GLs (which people are gonna have trouble getting their heads around) that part of the movie will go right over their heads.

Audience reaction to John's true origin: "So wait why is he giving the ring to that man, who the hell was Guy, why the hell do Guardians need more GLs from Earth, who the hell is Hal Jordan...and for that matter what the hell is a GL?":huh:
Abin Sur: Ah, I'm dying... better send out a ring.
-The Beginning-

I'd rather have an intelligent arguement instead, if possible.
Fixed it for you.

All stories have a logical starting point. The Transformers begins with their trip to Earth, NOT with the passing of the Matrix to Rodimus Prime. Superman begins with him crash landing on earth, NOT with him returning from death at the hands of Doomsday. Batman begins with the death of his parents. These are the motivational arcs for those characters and where those characters have been introduced. Green Lantern came to Earth because he crashed and thus we learn the thought process into what goes into picking a replacement and what a Green Lantern is. If Green Lantern's already inhabit earth (such as Hal or Guy) we don't have that since the movie assumes this hero already exists and for some unexplained reason we need another. It takes away the mystique and development that goes into Green Lantern. What the hell is the ring? what does it do? why am I the choosen one? who are these aliens? and of course with Hal we must see him use the ring to overcome his personal problems and get his life back on track. All very classic first movie elements.

Abin Sur though does a much better job of setting up this plot though. Because even though he "sends out the ring" we also get the trip back to the ship, the origin of Hal with the death of his father, we get motivation of the part of Hal for why he uses the ring for good...we get none of that with John, all we get with him is "whoops, I guess it's time to make the GLC ethnically diverse".

[Johnny Drama]

Why? Seriously, give me a reason, cuz I never get it... Borneaz? He's in the right age bracket, he can get the right look... but other than that?

Thats suprising because he is one of the most obvious choices. He plays the noble hero really well. Have you seen Angel? Angel was the virtuous, straight faced "drink your milk and don't do drugs" super hero.
If you haven't seen him on that show you wouldn't get, considering he has played a villan on everything else. But he is and ACTOR, so if he can act the part, look the part and is in the right age brackett, what else do you need dude?

[Johnny Drama]

Why? Seriously, give me a reason, cuz I never get it... Borneaz? He's in the right age bracket, he can get the right look... but other than that?

Thats suprising because he is one of the most obvious choices. He plays the noble hero really well. Have you seen Angel? Angel was the virtuous, straight faced "drink your milk and don't do drugs" super hero.
If you haven't seen him on that show you wouldn't get, considering he has played a villan on everything else. But he is and ACTOR, so if he can act the part, look the part and is in the right age brackett, what else do you need dude?

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow... ever feel like your posts are invisible?

John's Story:
Act I: John is a struggling architect at the end of his rope (just like in comics), intro supporting cast
Act II: John gets the ring, does some cool stuff with it, is unorthodox and overconfident, but amazingly good (just like in comics)
Act III: The ring, it's responsibility and overuse get John into tragedy (JUST like in comics) ie sister dies, loses Tawny Young, loses contract with Ferris Airfield, again, all from comics.
Act IV: John gives up the ring, gets advice and pulls himself up after hitting rock bottom and facing his responsibilities, reclaims ring.
Act V: John confronts the villain and beats him into submission... John begins his GL training with Hal Jordan. (Just like in comics)

This whole "script/story" feels like if a guy came up to me and said "...and how do you think I feel". I'd be confused, wonder why the f*** he is saying this to me and probably get up and leave. This movie has NO logical starting point. The only reason I'm given to even give two sh**s about John is that he is a Green Lantern, apparently for some reason that is bound to escape the audience.

And again, why is he good. Or more to the point why am I not asleep during this, because I am. "Oh, looks like John has absolutely NO trouble with his new powers...guess I can forget about that whole catharsis part of his character which is so important...can you wake me when someone dies or something?":dry:

Okay, so now his sister dies and he gives up...and then decides to TAKE the ring again:huh: . Why the hell does the Corp even bother with him, or even find someone else...they don't seem to have any justifiable reason for staying with him. Why the hell does he reclaim the ring, saving the world isn't HIS responsibility (like Hal's is because he HAS to stop whatever killed Abin Sur from destroying his town). But in this you don't have that problem you have Hal!!! supposedly the best GL ever, he can handle it because he doesn't even request the partner in the first place (just like in the comics).

In fact with Act III (by the way a movie only has three acts just an fyi) you've given John more motivation NOT to be Green Lantern and thus ended the story...boom. He was hotheaded, took on more power than he could handle, "absolute power corrupts absolutely"...so he quits, end of film (that right there is in fact, one movie).

I think what's worse is your fanboyism is blinding you to the fact that all these stories were written separately and retconned in...meaning the connection between your plot elements is very weak. Why does the ring turn out so dangerous to his person? Why does he take the ring in the first place, what reason could be strong enough for him to take it back after it destroys his life? Where the hell is his catharsis???:cmad: He has no purification whatsoever...in fact it seemed his life was better off without the ring, that he in fact corrupts his life beyond recognition...congrats you've invented a masocistic superhero.

I would not be surprised if John gets a movie it will be with Hal's origin...not John's which is boring, convoluted, has no good openning scene and is perhaps the biggest snoresfest I have ever read.

[GL1]

This whole "script/story" feels like if a guy came up to me and said "...and how do you think I feel". I'd be confused, wonder why the f*** he is saying this to me and probably get up and leave. This movie has NO logical starting point. The only reason I'm given to even give two sh**s about John is that he is a Green Lantern, apparently for some reason that is bound to escape the audience.

And again, why is he good. Or more to the point why am I not asleep during this, because I am. "Oh, looks like John has absolutely NO trouble with his new powers...guess I can forget about that whole catharsis part of his character which is so important...can you wake me when someone dies or something?":dry:

Okay, so now his sister dies and he gives up...and then decides to TAKE the ring again:huh: . Why the hell does the Corp even bother with him, or even find someone else...they don't seem to have any justifiable reason for staying with him. Why the hell does he reclaim the ring, saving the world isn't HIS responsibility (like Hal's is because he HAS to stop whatever killed Abin Sur from destroying his town). But in this you don't have that problem you have Hal!!! supposedly the best GL ever, he can handle it because he doesn't even request the partner in the first place (just like in the comics).

In fact with Act III (by the way a movie only has three acts just an fyi) you've given John more motivation NOT to be Green Lantern and thus ended the story...boom. He was hotheaded, took on more power than he could handle, "absolute power corrupts absolutely"...so he quits, end of film (that right there is in fact, one movie).

I think what's worse is your fanboyism is blinding you to the fact that all these stories were written separately and retconned in...meaning the connection between your plot elements is very weak. Why does the ring turn out so dangerous to his person? Why does he take the ring in the first place, what reason could be strong enough for him to take it back after it destroys his life? Where the hell is his catharsis???:cmad: He has no purification whatsoever...in fact it seemed his life was better off without the ring, that he in fact corrupts his life beyond recognition...congrats you've invented a masocistic superhero.

Wow... you reviewed a ten-line summary as though it were a complete movie. The audience has no reason to care about John... because I didn't put it in a ten line summary? Are you serious? Can your parents still play peekaboo with you or something?

I would not be surprised if John gets a movie it will be with Hal's origin...not John's which is boring, convoluted, has no good openning scene and is perhaps the biggest snoresfest I have ever read.

From Hal's perspective, yes. But John's story isn't to be told from Hal's perspective. From John's perspective Hal Jordan is a oft-gone superhero, and all that "who are these aliens" slop still applies. The public is still introduced to the GL universe fresh.

Actually no, that was the beginning of the issue...unless by good part you mean where they find Guy incapacitated. And so for the rest of the movie (if we go by that story) without knowing who Hal is we realize that "no you shouldn't judge by the color of skin...because anyone can be a Green Lantern so long as they have no fear".

And if you don't set up who Hal is or why the hell they need more human GLs (which people are gonna have trouble getting their heads around) that part of the movie will go right over their heads.

Audience reaction to John's true origin: "So wait why is he giving the ring to that man, who the hell was Guy, why the hell do Guardians need more GLs from Earth, who the hell is Hal Jordan...and for that matter what the hell is a GL?"

Why would people think Earth only needs one GL? "John's True Origin????" If you're referring to GL vol 2. #87 then that would mean that "Hal's True Origin" is Showcase #22... and we all know these characters are deeper than their first appearances and movie would have to encapsulate that. Get real dude.


Fixed it for you.

All stories have a logical starting point. The Transformers begins with their trip to Earth, NOT with the passing of the Matrix to Rodimus Prime. Superman begins with him crash landing on earth, NOT with him returning from death at the hands of Doomsday. Batman begins with the death of his parents. These are the motivational arcs for those characters and where those characters have been introduced. Green Lantern came to Earth because he crashed and thus we learn the thought process into what goes into picking a replacement and what a Green Lantern is. If Green Lantern's already inhabit earth (such as Hal or Guy) we don't have that since the movie assumes this hero already exists and for some unexplained reason we need another. It takes away the mystique and development that goes into Green Lantern. What the hell is the ring? what does it do? why am I the choosen one? who are these aliens? and of course with Hal we must see him use the ring to overcome his personal problems and get his life back on track. All very classic first movie elements.

Abin Sur though does a much better job of setting up this plot though. Because even though he "sends out the ring" we also get the trip back to the ship, the origin of Hal with the death of his father, we get motivation of the part of Hal for why he uses the ring for good...we get none of that with John, all we get with him is "whoops, I guess it's time to make the GLC ethnically diverse".

Now HERE is some logic that isn't self-contradicting! Yes!

"...for some unexplained reason we need another."
Obviously, the movie would explain the reason. Duh.

"...we get none of that with John."
We get none of that in GL #87, sure. But John DOES have an origin. John DOES have a reason for being selected. John DOES have a reason why he uses the ring. He just DOES, it just happens not to be fully explained in a single TPB.

Abin Sur is a classic origin, that' is clear. But it's classicness can also be interpreted as cliche just as easily. Furthermore, with Hal and John we get another level of conflict that Hal's origin simply cannot generate, to say nothing of John's supporting cast being a superset of Hal's (minus family) and Stewart is a bit more everyman style, and, honestly, more relatable.

All in all, the thing you don't get is: A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87. Just as a Hal Jordan movie doesn't equal Showcase #22, or even Emearald Dawn (though it would obviously borrow heavily from that, just as Batman Begins borrowed from Year One, even though it changed many MANY things).

Again, the simple truth "A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87" invalidates your entire arguement, perhaps your entire point of view.

[ShadowBoxing]

We get none of that in GL #87, sure. But John DOES have an origin. John DOES have a reason for being selected. John DOES have a reason why he uses the ring. He just DOES, it just happens not to be fully explained in a single TPB.

Abin Sur is a classic origin, that' is clear. But it's classicness can also be interpreted as cliche just as easily. Furthermore, with Hal and John we get another level of conflict that Hal's origin simply cannot generate, to say nothing of John's supporting cast being a superset of Hal's (minus family) and Stewart is a bit more everyman style, and, honestly, more relatable.

All in all, the thing you don't get is: A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87. Just as a Hal Jordan movie doesn't equal Showcase #22, or even Emearald Dawn (though it would obviously borrow heavily from that, just as Batman Begins borrowed from Year One, even though it changed many MANY things).

Again, the simple truth "A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87" invalidates your entire arguement, perhaps your entire point of view.
Perhaps you're correct that 87 is not his only origin, but it is a good illustration of why his origin is so weak. Because every retelling is based off that weak issue making a weak story. You have a sentence or two at a pitch meeting to explain why a producer should give s flying f*** about a story. In three pages I still cannot find any reason why John's actual origin is anything but a jumbled boring mess built off of an inconsequential fill in issue meant to promote ethnic diversity.

Unfortunately you have little grasp of how to introduce a character or use a character. I know this not just because of your insistence that John's origin is a good launchpad, but also that unnecessary and confusing elements like Hal's place in the story, Alan Scott, all a large and emense supporting cast need to be included. The main rule of writing a good story is KISS, "Keep it simple, stupid".

It's probably no coincidence that when Superman decided to use the (far more popular at the time) hispanic Latern, Kyle Rayner (who has in no way a hispanic name:o ) that Hal (and not Kyle's Parrallax) origin was used. Why? Because Hal Jordan's origin is actually not as you put it, cliche'. It makes sense, it starts at a beginning the audience can relate to and understand.

You say Hal's exploits would not need to be known to John, or as you put it "how many times would he have been on the news: as many as the writer said". The thing about writing, speech writing, essays (which I do), short stories is the writing doesn't get to do whatever he wants. He has to make the story make sense and be as logically tight as possible. If not you get a bad product.

Your story sounds remarkably similar to a movie I was just loaned. Vampire Hunter D (1985). It's an anime, and my friend who is into anime loaned this piece of crap to me. It starts pretty much in the middle and the motivations and reasons for the characters are not set down, it has a boring start that in no way sucks me into the story (kinda like yours).

What sounds more interesting a movie to you. A ship mysteriously crashing to earth and the pilot with his dying breath summoning an ex-fighter pilot alcoholic to carry it's ring and be the world's savior...and this person not knowing why or how to use his newfound responsibility. Or some guy getting a ring because Hal (who according to your story is hardly established) needs a new partner and then that guy becoming a superhero by default. I go with the former. Good openner (Act I): ship crashes to earth (Hal's father dying serves as an excellent parrallel to this scene). Hal gets a ring and starts messing around with it, his actions further re-assuring the audience he was an "odd" choice. Act II: Perhaps he goes up into space with the CORP, they train him and he seems a might rusty to say the least...he also is a bit of an upstart. His teacher Sinestro also seems less than trustworthy. Act III: He goes back home only to begin to see that Sinestro was the one who caused the crash. They have a battle after Sinestro attacks Coast City. The Guardians appoint Hal the sole protector of Earth.

There could be a distinct possibility you'd replace Hal with "John" or "Kyle" or as they would have, "Bluto - Jack Black"...who had a remarkably similar tale as well. Why, because it makes sense. It brings in the characters in a meaningful and revealable way...unlike yours which would require the viewer to have lived and known about the GLs beforehand.

Unless you want this in there.

John "Who are you"
Hal "What the hell do you mean who am I? Has your head been in the sand or something, I'm the Green Lantern of Earth...I saved it from Legion and the Manhunter invasion, don't you even have a TV".

[GL1]

Perhaps you're correct that 87 is not his only origin, but it is a good illustration of why his origin is so weak. Because every retelling is based off that weak issue making a weak story. You have a sentence or two at a pitch meeting to explain why a producer should give s flying f*** about a story. In three pages I still cannot find any reason why John's actual origin is anything but a jumbled boring mess built off of an inconsequential fill in issue meant to promote ethnic diversity.

Unfortunately you have little grasp of how to introduce a character or use a character. I know this not just because of your insistence that John's origin is a good launchpad, but also that unnecessary and confusing elements like Hal's place in the story, Alan Scott, all a large and emense supporting cast need to be included. The main rule of writing a good story is KISS, "Keep it simple, stupid".

It's probably no coincidence that when Superman decided to use the (far more popular at the time) hispanic Latern, Kyle Rayner (who has in no way a hispanic name:o ) that Hal (and not Kyle's Parrallax) origin was used. Why? Because Hal Jordan's origin is actually not as you put it, cliche'. It makes sense, it starts at a beginning the audience can relate to and understand.

You say Hal's exploits would not need to be known to John, or as you put it "how many times would he have been on the news: as many as the writer said". The thing about writing, speech writing, essays (which I do), short stories is the writing doesn't get to do whatever he wants. He has to make the story make sense and be as logically tight as possible. If not you get a bad product.

Your story sounds remarkably similar to a movie I was just loaned. Vampire Hunter D (1985). It's an anime, and my friend who is into anime loaned this piece of crap to me. It starts pretty much in the middle and the motivations and reasons for the characters are not set down, it has a boring start that in no way sucks me into the story (kinda like yours).

What sounds more interesting a movie to you. A ship mysteriously crashing to earth and the pilot with his dying breath summoning an ex-fighter pilot alcoholic to carry it's ring and be the world's savior...and this person not knowing why or how to use his newfound responsibility. Or some guy getting a ring because Hal (who according to your story is hardly established) needs a new partner and then that guy becoming a superhero by default. I go with the former. Good openner (Act I): ship crashes to earth (Hal's father dying serves as an excellent parrallel to this scene). Hal gets a ring and starts messing around with it, his actions further re-assuring the audience he was an "odd" choice. Act II: Perhaps he goes up into space with the CORP, they train him and he seems a might rusty to say the least...he also is a bit of an upstart. His teacher Sinestro also seems less than trustworthy. Act III: He goes back home only to begin to see that Sinestro was the one who caused the crash. They have a battle after Sinestro attacks Coast City. The Guardians appoint Hal the sole protector of Earth.

There could be a distinct possibility you'd replace Hal with "John" or "Kyle" or as they would have, "Bluto - Jack Black"...who had a remarkably similar tale as well. Why, because it makes sense. It brings in the characters in a meaningful and revealable way...unlike yours which would require the viewer to have lived and known about the GLs beforehand.

Unless you want this in there.

John "Who are you"
Hal "What the hell do you mean who am I? Has your head been in the sand or something, I'm the Green Lantern of Earth...I saved it from Legion and the Manhunter invasion, don't you even have a TV".

Again, the simple truth "A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87" invalidates your entire arguement, perhaps your entire point of view.

You're still stuck. I suppose I should commend you on going back through the thread, though apparently you misread some of my posts, the fact that you won't allow yourself to be COMPLETELY ignorant is reason enough for me to continue this conversation.

You attempt to address this simple quote:
Perhaps you're correct that 87 is not his only origin, but it is a good illustration of why his origin is so weak. Because every retelling is based off that weak issue making a weak story.

But you still fail to undestand the statement. I'm not saying 87 is only one of his origins, I'm saying that 87 is not his complete origin, nor in any way the basis for a GL movie, any more than Showcase # 22 could be. A GL movie would certainly borrow some details, perhaps Hal would have been GL first, perhaps John would be an out of work architect, perhaps Tawny Young would be involved... but the fact that GL87 doesn't explain his motivations or set out the characters means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

If you understood this concept and knew some things about John Stewart, this argument couldn't possibly exist. This entire discussion is fueled entirely by your ignorance and inability to concieve of movies as outside of comics continuity.

On your concerns:
You've also confused my John Stewart centric idea with my ensemble GL movie idea. Hal's origin being used in a children's cartoon is not indicative of non-clicheness. The movie audience OBVIOUSLY doesn't know anything about the Manhunter invasion or Legion. It actually makes more sense if they don't.

"unlike yours which would require the viewer to have lived and known about the GLs beforehand."

Actually no, my movie would not require the viewer to know anything about GLs before hand. Nothing.

...starts pretty much in the middle and the motivations and reasons for the characters are not set down, it has a boring start that in no way sucks me into the story (kinda like yours).

You're still stuck in GL87. My movie would not start in the middle, it would establish motivations and reasons for the characters, and if you weren't blinded by your fanboyism, it would suck you in.

Honestly, you must not be that good of a writer if you need everything about John Stewart spelled out for you in a TPB before you can see that there's an outstanding movie here. You write non-fiction? Or are you blinded by your fanboyism?

But you demand that I make a two-sentence pitch, something which a sufficiently good writer can do with almost any character if they so desire, as though that's some sort of litmus test... that you can judge John's potential by my writing ability. Whatever, dude. I can't believe I'm responding to such a hollow arguement anymore...

Here is what I consider the core appeal of a John Stewart GL movie...

1) Unemployed professional with personal misfortunte-- Instant identification AND empathy with the audience in todays economy and social strife.

2) Too much of a good thing with an unorthodox solution -- Someone who wants to change the world and gets the power to do so to his own misfortune is a heck of a lot more interesting than the typical superhero movie.

3) The Green Lantern Concept -- The potential is limitless, and producer could see that, and to shoehorn it into a save-the-girl-fight-the-villain formula is a bit shortsighted.

You generally have no arguement, just a bit of writing skill and a love for Hal Jordan.

One thing we know for sure:
Again, the simple truth "A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87" invalidates your entire arguement, perhaps your entire point of view.

Or perhaps rephrasing it will help you understand, which makes it almost sound like you need everything spelled out: GL vol 2 #87 is not "John's true origin." Whatever the heck that means. (What does it mean by the way?)

[Zar25]

hi i'm new n these are my casting choices:- :yay:

Hal Jordan - Eric Bana / Ben Browder

For me , Hal is just classic so he's gotta look heroic and fearless. He has to be a man of great will and determination and for me both Eric Bana and Ben Browder have the right look and can nail that down. Ben for his work in Farscape gets my nod and Bana for his work in Black Hawk Down and Troy.

A Hal origin movie would be a banging start to the GL franchise n in my opinion, it just makes complete sense to introduce the greatest GL of all first to new viewers who have little to no idea what Green Lantern is.Hal has got to look like he was born to be a hero whose very eyes show no fear for whatever lies ahead.

My vote goes to either Bana or Browder for Hal.


Kyle Rayner - Jesse Bradford

Kyle is the everyguy. He's the average joe who lucked into getting a ring so he has to be likable and he's gotta have a sense of humor, that and a whole lotta heart cos bein a hero is new to him. He soon finds out that he has to rise to the challenge and much to his surprise he discovers that he can. Kyle shows us what we can be if we try hard enough. That we are good enough if we just believe. When he goes up against Parallax (Hal) it's all about heart so it's very important that Kyle has that.

I wanted someone we can root for, someone the audience will generally want to get behind. My previous pick was Wes Bently but I found Jesse Bradford (Bring it on , Swimfan) to be a lot better suited n likable n from what I've seen of Wes which admittedly isn't much, he's prone to the broody moody dark spectrum. However Wes Bentley could be an inspired choice so i guess it depends. Kyle starts off awkward, confused n generally out of his depth before stepping up to the plate and making his home run.

For me Jesse is that guy.


John Stewart - Henry Simmons/ Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson

John is unique and brings a certain amount of integrity and character to the Corp. He's definitely capable and always reliable. You could always trust him to back you up. No-nonsense is how John should be. He stands up for what he believes n makes his presence known.

Forget his lame intro and focus on why he was chosen and that is where you find his 'story' ( so to speak) Where Hal is all about will n determination, and Kyle is about faith n self-belief, John is about strength and preserverance. John is about dignity and the actor who plays him has to bring that to the table in a straightforward kick ass manner.

Henry Simmons (Nypd Blue) has that working class manner as a cop that's perfect while The Rock knows how to bring it all Smack down to add that extra kick for John ( Gridiron gang, Walking Tall).

You have to have John stewart stand on his own and that's how you make him Hal Jordan's equal n partner.

Sinestro - Jason Isaacs

Sinestro has to be more than a match for Hal Jordan n Jason Isaacs ( the patriot) has the right mix of menacing n panache to pull it off. The superior attitude , the evil seething sneer. Without question, Jason Isaacs is absolutely perfect for Sinestro.


Guy Gardner - Sean William Scott/ Denis Leary

Guy is vain, rude, brash, totally obnoxious but no pushover. One thing Guy cannot be is a total joke. No matter how much you hate him , Guy defintely has what i takes. I thought Denis Leary would be a shoo in if he were just a bit younger so Sean ( american pie, the rundown) has an advantage on that. I thought Guy would be the guy who'd love the sound of his own voice so maybe Bruce Campbell might be wonderful on that note.

Of course push comes to shove, Guy would definitely be more than happy to prove himself and I think Sean Willian Scott most defintely will as The Corps' most reckless member Guy Gardner.

[GL1]

hi i'm new n these are my casting choices:- :yay:

Hal Jordan - Eric Bana / Ben Browder

For me , Hal is just classic so he's gotta look heroic and fearless. He has to be a man of great will and determination and for me both Eric Bana and Ben Browder have the right look and can nail that down. Ben for his work in Farscape gets my nod and Bana for his work in Black Hawk Down and Troy.

A Hal origin movie would be a banging start to the GL franchise n in my opinion, it just makes complete sense to introduce the greatest GL of all first to new viewers who have little to no idea what Green Lantern is.Hal has got to look like he was born to be a hero whose very eyes show no fear for whatever lies ahead.

My vote goes to either Bana or Browder for Hal.


Kyle Rayner - Jesse Bradford

Kyle is the everyguy. He's the average joe who lucked into getting a ring so he has to be likable and he's gotta have a sense of humor, that and a whole lotta heart cos bein a hero is new to him. He soon finds out that he has to rise to the challenge and much to his surprise he discovers that he can. Kyle shows us what we can be if we try hard enough. That we are good enough if we just believe. When he goes up against Parallax (Hal) it's all about heart so it's very important that Kyle has that.

I wanted someone we can root for, someone the audience will generally want to get behind. My previous pick was Wes Bently but I found Jesse Bradford (Bring it on , Swimfan) to be a lot better suited n likable n from what I've seen of Wes which admittedly isn't much, he's prone to the broody moody dark spectrum. However Wes Bentley could be an inspired choice so i guess it depends. Kyle starts off awkward, confused n generally out of his depth before stepping up to the plate and making his home run.

For me Jesse is that guy.


John Stewart - Henry Simmons/ Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson

John is unique and brings a certain amount of integrity and character to the Corp. He's definitely capable and always reliable. You could always trust him to back you up. No-nonsense is how John should be. He stands up for what he believes n makes his presence known.

Forget his lame intro and focus on why he was chosen and that is where you find his 'story' ( so to speak) Where Hal is all about will n determination, and Kyle is about faith n self-belief, John is about strength and preserverance. John is about dignity and the actor who plays him has to bring that to the table in a straightforward kick ass manner.

Henry Simmons (Nypd Blue) has that working class manner as a cop that's perfect while The Rock knows how to bring it all Smack down to add that extra kick for John ( Gridiron gang, Walking Tall).

You have to have John stewart stand on his own and that's how you make him Hal Jordan's equal n partner.

Sinestro - Jason Isaacs

Sinestro has to be more than a match for Hal Jordan n Jason Isaacs ( the patriot) has the right mix of menacing n panache to pull it off. The superior attitude , the evil seething sneer. Without question, Jason Isaacs is absolutely perfect for Sinestro.


Guy Gardner - Sean William Scott/ Denis Leary

Guy is vain, rude, brash, totally obnoxious but no pushover. One thing Guy cannot be is a total joke. No matter how much you hate him , Guy defintely has what i takes. I thought Denis Leary would be a shoo in if he were just a bit younger so Sean ( american pie, the rundown) has an advantage on that. I thought Guy would be the guy who'd love the sound of his own voice so maybe Bruce Campbell might be wonderful on that note.

Of course push comes to shove, Guy would definitely be more than happy to prove himself and I think Sean Willian Scott most defintely will as The Corps' most reckless member Guy Gardner.

I nominate you for "Best. First. Post. Ever." 2007. Seriously. If there's an award, they need to be giving it to you.

Forget his lame intro and focus on why he was chosen and that is where you find his 'story' ( so to speak)

Here Here, Zar, here here.

[Nivek]

Nice casting, Zar!

[tallsy_1]

I like the Ben Browder idea, but how about Daniel Gillies? I know most know him from Spiderman 2, but I saw him in Showtime's "Master of Horror" series and he was really good.

I think the studio may push for someone younger than Henry Simmons or Rock for John. How about Tyrese Gibson. Yeah, he was bad in Fast and Furious, but he was pretty good in Four Brothers.

[Zar25]

I think Daniel could make it work but I dunno, Browder and Bana stand out a little more to me.If I could see more of his work though then maybe i'll be more convinced but he does seem to have the right look.

As for Tyrese, I'm not sure he could pull off being more low key than he usually is. Tyrese has this energy about him , this zest and humor which while entertaining , is not what I feel John projects. John is more intense yet grounded though still cool enough not to have a stick up his ass. My vote's still with Simmons/ Rock.

[GNR]

Dude, Boreanez would be AMAZING as Hal Jordan.

Milo Ventimiglia for Rayner

Boreanez isn't even close to the flyboy in terms of looks and lacks the womanizing charm.

[Rorschach2012]

Hal Jordan- Nathan Fillion
Kyle Raynor- Milo Ventimiglia
Alan Scott- Mel Gibson
John Stewart-Tyrese Gibson
Guy Gardener- Bradley Cooper
Kilowog- Michael Clarke Duncan
Sinestro- Hugo Weaving

[Chuck Norris x2]

Hal Jordan- Jim Caviezel
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/new_line_cinema/highwaymen/james_caviezel/highwaymen4.jpg

Kyle Raynar- Milo Ventimiglia
http://www.nndb.com/people/734/000108410/milo-ventimiglia.jpg

John Stewart- Taye Diggs
http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/November2006/14diggs.jpg

Guy Gardner- Seann William Scott
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/mgm/bulletproof_monk/seann_william_scott/monkpre2.jpg

[Chris B]

I had a thought recently, but what would the fan reaction be if Jude Law was cast as Hal Jordan in a Green Lantern movie. Now I know that he probably wouldn't be anyone's first or last choice, but I think that he does bear some resemblance to the character and has played cocky characters before. Just an idea.

[The Guard]

I've been for Jim C. for a long time. If only Dennis Quaid was younger. But if you can't have the father, the son will do. :)

[jrpstarwars]

I've been for Jim C. for a long time. If only Dennis Quaid was younger. But if you can't have the father, the son will do. :)

Dennis Quaid is Jim Caviezel's daddy?:wow:

[ShadowBoxing]

Bradley "the Sack" Cooper is the best choice for Guy Gardner.
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http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/2800/1943/lo/cobb.jpg (http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/00/2800/gal1943/14.php)
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/peoplepopimage.php?file=./downloads/people/Bradley_Cooper/images/group7/AGM-003602.jpg
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/events/JTM-015503.jpg
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/Meteoros-guygardner.jpg
http://storage.canalblog.com/70/68/107338/5764387.jpg

[The Guard]

Dennis Quaid is Jim Caviezel's daddy?

In FREQUENCY. Great roles for both of them. Check it out.

[darknite17]

George Eads - Hal Jordan

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/CSI31086/george-eads-022.jpghttp://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/allposters/mmph/254971_rt.jpg

[neotheone]

so which green lantern is it

[Katsuro]

so which green lantern is it

We dont even know if they're making a Green Lantern, yet alone which character they'd have star.

[Kebab gud]

if there going to make a Green Lantern movie im 100% shure they will go with Hal .. its Hal most people recognize as Green Lantern, and he is THE Green Lantern.. the other guys are just standinns and token black/young guys

[StorminNorman]

if there going to make a Green Lantern movie im 100% shure they will go with Hal .. its Hal most people recognize as Green Lantern, and he is THE Green Lantern.. the other guys are just standinns and token black/young guys

No, most of the GA think John Stewart when they think Green Lantern.

Thank you Dini/Timm :up:

[GL1]

No, most of the GA think John Stewart when they think Green Lantern.

Thank you Dini/Timm :up:

Thank you, Norman, for injecting some reality here.

Just because Green Lantern lives in an imaginary world doesn't mean we have to.

[mwm1331]

I will not expand it. I have several lengthy posts that deal with this very same fallacy, in this same therad, I believe.

I will state the obvious, to underline how dumb this jab is. The good part is obviously what happens to John's personal life when he gets the ring... y'know, it gets totally shot to heck. Same with Hal, the interesting part isn't why he got the ring, it's what he does with it, and what it does to him.

A lot of people like to forget there was specific reason why John Stewart was selected... and it wasn't because he's black.
Actually John Stuart was created specifically because he was black. He was the defintion of a token character who was created specifically to be a minority.

from http://www.popcultureaddict.com/comicbooks/NealAdams.htm

I said, "Y'know, Julie... we really oughta... well if something happened to Green Lantern you'd need somebody else. How about we have another Green Lantern?" And Julie says, "What are you driving at? We already have one." I said, "What? We have one?" Julie says, "Yeah, Guy Gardner." I say, "Oh. Really? I didn't know that." He said, "Yeah. We did a story. Don't you read these books?" I said, "Oh sorry. I guess not. Tell me about him." Julie says, "Well, he's a gym teacher." I said, "Is he white?" "Yeah." It was like - what kind of stupid question is that? And he pulled out a comic book and he was white and blonde and I said, "Well let's say something happened to him and Green Lantern needed another guy. Kind of a runner up. Y'know, I'd kind of like to do something like that." I didn't want to lose this idea. I kind of liked the idea and Julie had ruined it for me. He said, "What are you driving at?" I said, "I'd kinda like a black Green Lantern." Julie said, "Why? No!" I said, "Why not?" He said, "Well... no! I mean, why? I mean, you don't think of Green Lantern as being black!" I said, "Now wait a second Julie. Let's try this line of reasoning. Guy comes to Earth. He's going to die. He sends out his ring or his lantern or whatever to find the most worthy person on Earth. Okay? Turns out to be a white Anglo-Saxon test pilot. I could buy that. Y'know, it's possible. It's possible. I buy it. Ring goes out again to find the next guy. It turns out to be a white blonde Anglo-Saxon gym teacher. I don't think so. You know how many Chinese people there are in the world? You ever watch the Olympics? I mean, you rarely ever see three white guys lined up there. You see some once in a while. You know, maybe it happens. Maybe in archery. But you got black guys, you got oriental. I mean, I don't mind if he's oriental but I'd kinda like to have a black guy."
Sam: Well with the race problems at that time it would have made good storytelling.

Neal: Yes! Of course! What am I thinking of? Julie says, "Nawwww." I say, "Julie. C'mon." He says, "Alright. Denny writes it. You gotta draw it." "Okay. You got it. No problem." So Denny hands in the strip and on the first page it says, "Lincoln Washington is walking down the street," and I run into Julie and I go, "Julie. I think we oughta change his name."
Sam: Lincoln Washington?
Neal: Lincoln Washington. [chuckles] Julie says, "Why? I've heard a lot of black names. Lincoln Washington is a good black name!"

Sam: Well you might as well have him eating fried chicken and watermelon in the panel with that name.


Neal: I say, "Well Julie. That's what you call a slave name. You call that a slave name and even if you're called Lincoln Washington that's a name you want to change." "There's nothing wrong with that name," he says, "It's a proud name." I say, "I don't think that's what we want to do with our character. I think you want to call him by a regular name like John Stewart." "John Stewart?" "Yeah. It's a regular name." Julie says, "Fine. Okay. No problem. You got it. Anything else?" I said, "No, that'll be fine." And so we did it. Now in a way, Denny was right. Lincoln Washington is truly a black name because it is a slave name and at that time we still hadn't come up with the Muhammad Ali's and that stuff which would have been even better, but nobody had done it yet so that wasn't the time. But John Stewart, I thought that was pretty good. Who knew that it would end up being a good comedian from a late night television show? So anyways, that was it.

Talk about stuck int he sixties, "slave names"
I also love how he thinks all whites are unconsiously racist, I know this storyline is supposed to be "socially advanced" but its no wonder it sold like stale s**t. Even for the times it was hackneyed, played out, and laughable.

[ShadowBoxing]

No, most of the GA think John Stewart when they think Green Lantern.

Thank you Dini/Timm :up:
No because MOST people don't watch cartoons....it seems MOST comic fans forget this. Most people would probably remember him being white if anything.

[Tristantulanka]

Hal Jordan: http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0314979/BATTLESTARG_SCIFI_01170.JPG (http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0314979/BATTLESTAR_SCIFI_00005.JPG.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Bamber, Jamie&seq=2)

Yeah thats it :D

[Katsuro]

No, most of the GA think John Stewart when they think Green Lantern.

Thank you Dini/Timm :up:

The General Audience has never heard of Green Lantern period.

[GL1]

1) It doesn't matter if people watch cartoons or not. John Stewart was on a cereal box every month for five years. And on kids backpacks, and trick or treating, and roaming around Six Flags. He was everywhere for five years. Even if people don't know his name, they've seen him. He's more visuallly recognizable to the general audience than Hal. John's been everywhere (not just on CN), Hal hasn't. Period. End of story. Thank you Dini/Timm.

2) The line of reasoning in that quote is not a 'token' thought, it's drawing a concept out to it's logical conclusion which means a non-white character because it's what should've happened next, not 'lets get a black guy cuz there are none.' It was clearly "Lets get a black guy cuz he should've already been there..."

3) EVERYone is unconciously racist, black and white alike. Ask a psychiatrist. It's what we do with our biases that show our character.

I know this storyline is supposed to be "socially advanced" but its no wonder it sold like stale s**t. Even for the times it was hackneyed, played out, and laughable.

That's an all around ignorant comment. The best part is where you say that black characters were 'played out' in the early seventies. You mean BOTH of them???

[mwm1331]

3) EVERYone is unconciously racist, black and white alike. Ask a psychiatrist. It's what we do with our biases that show our character.


Right. Sure thing.


That's an all around ignorant comment. The best part is where you say that black characters were 'played out' in the early seventies. You mean BOTH of them???

I said that type of thinking was played out. Slave names, all whites being racist honkey mofo's, etc etc.

[Katsuro]

2) The line of reasoning in that quote is not a 'token' thought, it's drawing a concept out to it's logical conclusion which means a non-white character because it's what should've happened next, not 'lets get a black guy cuz there are none.' It was clearly "Lets get a black guy cuz he should've already been there..."

If they really wanted to go for logic like that, they should've gotten someone from a whole different country. When we're speaking on a global scale, just getting a black guy isn't really much diversity.

[GL1]

I said that type of thinking was played out. Slave names, all whites being racist honkey mofo's, etc etc. Gramatically, the "it" pronoun you used referred to the storyline, not to the thought process.

If they really wanted to go for logic like that, they should've gotten someone from a whole different country. When we're speaking on a global scale, just getting a black guy isn't really much diversity.

But it is some. And yes, logially the concept that ALL major superheroes make their home in America is pure suspension of disbelief. Someone simply decided that the idea that all major superheoes are white was either too much or an unnecessary suspension. But point taken, they did not take this thinking to it's logical conclusion, nor, in the interest of storytelling, should they.

As for "slave names," I, personally am thankful that they didn't name him Lincoln Washington. Terribly thankful. I appreciate that they gave him a normal name as opposed to laying upon him all of the black stereotypes (positive and negative) that they could find... that was wise.

[Katsuro]

Gramatically, the "it" pronoun you used referred to the storyline, not to the thought process.



But it is some. And yes, logially the concept that ALL major superheroes make their home in America is pure suspension of disbelief. Someone simply decided that the idea that all major superheoes are white was either too much or an unnecessary suspension. But point taken, they did not take this thinking to it's logical conclusion, nor, in the interest of storytelling, should they.

As for "slave names," I, personally am thankful that they didn't name him Lincoln Washington. Terribly thankful. I appreciate that they gave him a normal name as opposed to laying upon him all of the black stereotypes (positive and negative) that they could find... that was wise.

Why not? The rings translate alien languages, certainly they can translate Mandarin Chinese or Spanish or something. I mean, when it comes to other super-heroes it can all be chalked up to coincidence. But Green Lanterns are specifically chosen out of the entire population of the world. Kinda silly that they only seem to come from America.

[Zar25]

I know this might sound a lil silly, but I'm not sure we really want to touch too much upon logic and reality on the subject, mainly cos for all intents and purposes this still is just a conversation about a comic book character for which a great suspension of disbelief needs to be held in governing the rules and laws of said universe. Application of logic is not always necessary.

I mean hey, in Japanese manga/anime its the japanese who are saving the world. Remember this is comics. The producers are generally gonna cast whoever they want to , as their pick of GL, whether it'd be Hal, Kyle or John.

Fans have their own picks too and that I think is okay. We're allowed to have favourites. Some ppl want Hal , some Kyle and some want John and hey old school fans might be more interested in Alan and that's cool too.

I'll be honest. I LOVE Kyle Rayner and my inner fanboy would squee with utter delight if the powers that be {producers) decide he's the one they want to kick off the franchise with.

That being said I'm not that blinded as to believe that Kyle should be the one end of story. If I were to go with reason and by reason I mean big, good, strong, solid reason, I'd have to go with Mr Hal Jordan.

Why ?

Because in comics Hal Jordan is the epitome of Green Lantern. He's what a Green Lantern should be. He defines it. He's the fearless hero. He's the one who like it or not , set the standard by which every other lantern is measured . When we look at the series he's the golden boy, he's the star and so bright was his shine , the writers of GL couldn't completely kill off his character, heck they kept bringing him back even when Hal was six feet under.

And Let's get something straight. We're not talking about the Justice League. We're talking GREEN LANTERN here.

In the league , the only places that are pretty much guaranteed are the Big Three cos they are the stars. Only one Superman (Clark/Kal) , Only one Batman (Bruce Wayne) and only one Wonder Woman (Diana) .They're the best. You can switch around with the roster but without the Big Three the league is hard pressed to stand. You can even pick either Wally or Barry for Flash but you can't change the Big Three. They are the pillars of the League.

In Green Lantern , Hal Jordan is the star. He's friggin Muhammad Ali. He's the greatest one there is. Hal is the pillar of GL. You can take away Kyle and John and even Alan and GL would still be able to work okay but oddly enough you can't have GL without Hal without it feeling kinda funny. It's like Catwoman without Selina kyle. It'll just suck.

My point is simple. Hal is the classic choice and in my opinion ( of which anyone is free to disagree with) if you want the best Green Lantern movie , you just gotta go with the best Green Lantern there is.

If you want John , you gotta create a good enough story to drive it through, doable but tricky. If you want Alan , you gotta update him, workable but still a bit of a hassle. If you want Kyle you gotta build Hal's history first cos that's who Kyle goes up against, feasible but shaky and ultimately confusing.

Hal's origin is straight forward. Hal's story is defined and epic. Hal's character is iconic and legend.


Hal Jordan IS Green Lantern. No two ways around it.


My push for Hal ? Ben Browder/ Eric Bana. And Please , feel free to disagree :)

[StorminNorman]

Actually John Stuart was created specifically because he was black. He was the defintion of a token character who was created specifically to be a minority.

from http://www.popcultureaddict.com/comicbooks/NealAdams.htm


Talk about stuck int he sixties, "slave names"
I also love how he thinks all whites are unconsiously racist, I know this storyline is supposed to be "socially advanced" but its no wonder it sold like stale s**t. Even for the times it was hackneyed, played out, and laughable.

I don't see how he was defined as a token character there? Neal Adams thought that there was no way the "best the Earth has" would all be white, and he has a damn good point. It makes perfectly logical sense.

[StorminNorman]

No because MOST people don't watch cartoons....it seems MOST comic fans forget this. Most people would probably remember him being white if anything.

I strongly disagree. Before Batman Begins I had never read a comic - period. But I watched Justice League, everyone I knew watch justice league, people who made fun of comics watched Justice League. For people who grew up with it on Cartoon Network, it was a popular show that most either watched, or at least were fairly familiar with.

Any non-comic person who knows who the Green Lantern is, KNOWS he is a black bad ass named John Stewart.

[StorminNorman]

The General Audience has never heard of Green Lantern period.

I disagree. Between Justice League being one of Cartoon Networks top shows, the merchandise that came with it, the WB embracing of John Stewart as the Green Lantern (Six Flag's have John Stewart characters, Halloween Costumes have him as a black kid), etc. most younger people (30 and younger) have at least heard of Green Lantern, and out of that, most know him to be black.

If WB was to make a Green Lantern movie, no doubt John Stewart would play a major role. Does that mean he would be the only Green Lantern? No, and I would hope a Green Lantern movie would include the aspect that it is an Elite GROUP through out the universe, would he be the main or one of the main GL's? Absolutely.

[The Guard]

Well, supposedly the last GREEN LANTERN pitch (the serious one) involved John Stewart training Kyle Rayner to stop Hal Jordan who was going Parallax. That's an angle I could see working on film. But I'd rather not see that in the first film of a franchise.

[StorminNorman]

Well, supposedly the last GREEN LANTERN pitch (the serious one) involved John Stewart training Kyle Rayner to stop Hal Jordan who was going Parallax. That's an angle I could see working on film. But I'd rather not see that in the first film of a franchise.

I agree, that should be the build up.

Perhaps have Hal Jordan train John Stewart, who then has to train the man who will kill his mentor. That would take a good 3-4 movie run, but you can't tell me that there isn't enough content in the GL history that you can fill up the time not spent building up to that battle.

[GL1]

I know this might sound a lil silly, but I'm not sure we really want to touch too much upon logic and reality on the subject, mainly cos for all intents and purposes this still is just a conversation about a comic book character for which a great suspension of disbelief needs to be held in governing the rules and laws of said universe. Application of logic is not always necessary.

I mean hey, in Japanese manga/anime its the japanese who are saving the world. Remember this is comics. The producers are generally gonna cast whoever they want to , as their pick of GL, whether it'd be Hal, Kyle or John.

Fans have their own picks too and that I think is okay. We're allowed to have favourites. Some ppl want Hal , some Kyle and some want John and hey old school fans might be more interested in Alan and that's cool too.

I'll be honest. I LOVE Kyle Rayner and my inner fanboy would squee with utter delight if the powers that be {producers) decide he's the one they want to kick off the franchise with.

That being said I'm not that blinded as to believe that Kyle should be the one end of story. If I were to go with reason and by reason I mean big, good, strong, solid reason, I'd have to go with Mr Hal Jordan.

Why ?

Because in comics Hal Jordan is the epitome of Green Lantern. He's what a Green Lantern should be. He defines it. He's the fearless hero. He's the one who like it or not , set the standard by which every other lantern is measured . When we look at the series he's the golden boy, he's the star and so bright was his shine , the writers of GL couldn't completely kill off his character, heck they kept bringing him back even when Hal was six feet under.

And Let's get something straight. We're not talking about the Justice League. We're talking GREEN LANTERN here.

In the league , the only places that are pretty much guaranteed are the Big Three cos they are the stars. Only one Superman (Clark/Kal) , Only one Batman (Bruce Wayne) and only one Wonder Woman (Diana) .They're the best. You can switch around with the roster but without the Big Three the league is hard pressed to stand. You can even pick either Wally or Barry for Flash but you can't change the Big Three. They are the pillars of the League.

In Green Lantern , Hal Jordan is the star. He's friggin Muhammad Ali. He's the greatest one there is. Hal is the pillar of GL. You can take away Kyle and John and even Alan and GL would still be able to work okay but oddly enough you can't have GL without Hal without it feeling kinda funny. It's like Catwoman without Selina kyle. It'll just suck.

My point is simple. Hal is the classic choice and in my opinion ( of which anyone is free to disagree with) if you want the best Green Lantern movie , you just gotta go with the best Green Lantern there is.

If you want John , you gotta create a good enough story to drive it through, doable but tricky. If you want Alan , you gotta update him, workable but still a bit of a hassle. If you want Kyle you gotta build Hal's history first cos that's who Kyle goes up against, feasible but shaky and ultimately confusing.

Hal's origin is straight forward. Hal's story is defined and epic. Hal's character is iconic and legend.


Hal Jordan IS Green Lantern. No two ways around it.


My push for Hal ? Ben Browder/ Eric Bana. And Please , feel free to disagree :)

Heh. Now, the core of your arguement: "Hal Jordan should be the GL of the movie because he's the golden boy and he's uber" is without arguement. Hal is the perfect superhero, and while that's the reason some don't like him, it appeals to some people, and, well, it's just true.

The other advantage is that Hal's orign has already been giving the royal treatment, so no thought is required from a director/writer, in fact, thought would be BAD from fans' perspective. So it's easy to imagine a Hal film. For people without imagination, Hal is DEFINITELY the way to go, cuz they can't conceive of "ED for John" or "ED for Kyle."

The rest of your post is crap and propaganda. "Hal is legend." "A non-Hal GL film is like Catwoman." "Hal Jordan IS Green Lantern." That's not reason, that's blind fanboy bias, completely devoid of logic and intelligence.

[Katsuro]

Well, supposedly the last GREEN LANTERN pitch (the serious one) involved John Stewart training Kyle Rayner to stop Hal Jordan who was going Parallax. That's an angle I could see working on film. But I'd rather not see that in the first film of a franchise.

That sounds like an okay premise for a movie... eventually. However, it sounds like a terrible opening film.

But even then, the unique thing about Kyle, at least in his early days, was that he didn't have training. He didn't even know what the Guardians were at first. He started out as basically a Spider-Man type of hero. Just a guy with powers trying to make it through life. So to start out with Kyle you'd either be missing out on the core of what makes Green Lanterns unique, or you'd be changing what made Kyle unique from the rest of the GLs. Heh, that's kind of a paradox when you think about it. Kyle's different from the rest of the Green Lanterns, because Green Lanterns are different from normal superheroes, but Kyle's the same as normal superheroes. But you get my point.

But I just dont see why we cant all be happy, and all get the movie we want eventually. I mean, from everything you've described about your dream John Stewart movie, it sounds to me like you could almost take that idea, change very, very little about it, and slap a Hal Jordan origin film BEFORE that. And that Kyle/John vs. Parralax movie you mentioned, that would fit in perfectly after the other one. Then you have a Hal movie, a John movie, and a Kyle movie right in a row, and fans of all are happy. Because honestly, I wouldn't want more than one movie where Hal is the only Earth GL.

[terry78]

The kids that watched Justice League know John Stewart as Green Lantern. That translates to him being THE GL if they choose to make a movie. As much as people gripe about it, kids bringing their parents and vice versa are the core of these superhero movie profits. There are never more adults going to these things than kids during the day.

[Katsuro]

Let's not forget the New Frontier movie coming out within the year. Hal Jordan is not only the main Green Lantern in that story, but he's pretty much the main character. I mean, Marvel put out an animated Iron Man movie to get people pumped for the live action film, maybe DC's trying to get Hal out there.

[ShadowBoxing]

I strongly disagree. Before Batman Begins I had never read a comic - period. But I watched Justice League, everyone I knew watch justice league, people who made fun of comics watched Justice League. For people who grew up with it on Cartoon Network, it was a popular show that most either watched, or at least were fairly familiar with.

Any non-comic person who knows who the Green Lantern is, KNOWS he is a black bad ass named John Stewart.
I have no friends who watch Justice League...and in fact we looked it up already and 8-12 year olds watched Justice League NOT 18-24 year olds. People, teenagers, don't watch cartoons...they watch sports and play video games. It's not a matter of opinion. You post on a site with comic fans, that puts you in a VERY narrow group.

[GL1]

People, teenagers, don't watch cartoons...

More people/teenagers watch cartoons than read comic books.

And it IS a matter of opinion around here. Hal Jordan IS the Green Lantern How much more opinion-based can you get?

Nothing can change the fact that John Stewart is more recognizable both directly and indirectly from JLU. But how many times have you heard that and ignored it? Again: It IS a matter of opinion, or else this discussion would have been over three GL threads ago.

Why not? The rings translate alien languages, certainly they can translate Mandarin Chinese or Spanish or something. I mean, when it comes to other super-heroes it can all be chalked up to coincidence. But Green Lanterns are specifically chosen out of the entire population of the world. Kinda silly that they only seem to come from America.

The power of these stories is in the audience identifying with the lead character. If you have a Chinese character in a chinese culture, not only would it require a great deal of research on the part of the writers to be accurate, but the audience would likel diminish, at least over the long term, because many people just aren't interested in Chinese culture, nor do they identify it... the power of the comic is gone.

Now stick that same character in American Culture, and boom, you've got a dozen things going on that the reader identifies with, understands and relates to, the story is now relevant and interesting instead of a culture lesson.

The metareason is so crucial to the success of the story, and thus of the book, that the fiction reason has to bend around it. Especially in the early 70s, when America still hadn't figured out how to portray fictional black characters in a positive light or even believe that they could be appealing to a broad white audience.

But yes, it makes sense for a Chinese person to get the ring, abundantly so, but I think we're just now getting to a point where that can happen, and to do so, DC would be on the cutting edge of horizon broadening... not likely.

[Katsuro]

More people/teenagers watch cartoons than read comic books.

Yeah, but it's still not that many. The fact is, a very, very, very large portion of a Green Lantern movie's audience will not have heard of the character before. If this movie was relying on comic and cartoon fans alone, it would bomb at the box office.


The power of these stories is in the audience identifying with the lead character. If you have a Chinese character in a chinese culture, not only would it require a great deal of research on the part of the writers to be accurate, but the audience would likel diminish, at least over the long term, because many people just aren't interested in Chinese culture, nor do they identify it... the power of the comic is gone.

Now stick that same character in American Culture, and boom, you've got a dozen things going on that the reader identifies with, understands and relates to, the story is now relevant and interesting instead of a culture lesson.

The metareason is so crucial to the success of the story, and thus of the book, that the fiction reason has to bend around it. Especially in the early 70s, when America still hadn't figured out how to portray fictional black characters in a positive light or even believe that they could be appealing to a broad white audience.

But yes, it makes sense for a Chinese person to get the ring, abundantly so, but I think we're just now getting to a point where that can happen, and to do so, DC would be on the cutting edge of horizon broadening... not likely.

So how is Tomar-Re more identifiable? I'd say I could empathize more with a British or a Chinese, or a French Green Lantern than I could Kilowog. Hell, i'd have more in common with a foreign GL than I would Guy Gardner (post-head injury). I'm only suggesting a supporting character role for a GL from another country, not a lead role.

[GL1]

Yeah, but it's still not that many. The fact is, a very, very, very large portion of a Green Lantern movie's audience will not have heard of the character before. If this movie was relying on comic and cartoon fans alone, it would bomb at the box office.

Who said anything about relying?

So how is Tomar-Re more identifiable? I'd say I could empathize more with a British or a Chinese, or a French Green Lantern than I could Kilowog. Hell, i'd have more in common with a foreign GL than I would Guy Gardner (post-head injury). I'm only suggesting a supporting character role for a GL from another country, not a lead role.

Okay, I was talking about the necessity of making a John Stewart character back in 1971 over making a foreign character... if you're talking about in the comics now, we already have too many GLs from earth, each with plenty of fans, to make another human GL viable, even if it 'makes sense.'

And how do you know you'd have more in common with these characters? Stereotypes? I'm sure there's a million frenchmen harder to relate to than Tomar-Re and Kilowogg since, despite their alien mythos, their core essence is human, put together by a human writer, relating in human stories. There is nothing inhuman about the way Tomar Re and Kilowogg think... heck, they are as westernized as any second (or more) generation American could be.

[Katsuro]

And how do you know you'd have more in common with these characters? Stereotypes? I'm sure there's a million frenchmen harder to relate to than Tomar-Re and Kilowogg since, despite their alien mythos, their core essence is human, put together by a human writer, relating in human stories. There is nothing inhuman about the way Tomar Re and Kilowogg think... heck, they are as westernized as any second (or more) generation American could be.

Fine, let me restate. I'd have more in common with a GL from a foreign country than I should have with an alien.

[Zar25]

Heh , I'd offer an opinion on the subject but I believe GL1 will again shout out how crappy and stupid my reasons are but I'll happily state again that Hal should kick off the Green Lantern show irregardless of what implications that choice does to show of my state of mind. I'm sorry if I Like Hal just a teeny bit more than whoever it is you want for GL but like I said before what we all want our favourites and that's fair.

I want Kyle for GL but I still think Hal should feature but I do believe if they'd took it ala Star Wars then maybe it'd be more episodic and start somewhere in the middle or right towards the end and so forth and I still think it'd work if they really put a lot of effort into it. I'd prefer it if they don't though. Unless Peter jackson or someone of his caliber is working on GL , that approach could wind up a little disjointed storywise, so I rather go from A before I go to B and progress naturally from there. Also someone spoke of it being an ensemble cast before and I'm jumping on that
bandwagon. An ensemble cast of characters of GL staples would be awesome. Whether they'd do it though is still a big question though I wish it were a big YES !!!

Honestly though, I'd really go for just about any Earth GL barring of course a Mr Jack Black but my preference for Hal as focus of franchise still stands. He would just be freakin' awesome. (again just my opinion) And nothing and I mean nothing short of a Me-Buffy-Faith threesome would change it that. I'll say it loud and say it proud !!!


Hal Jordan IS Green Lantern !!!


MWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! *ahem* :) heehee

[ShadowBoxing]

More people/teenagers watch cartoons than read comic books.

Not much more. And the adults/teenagers who do watch cartoons [like Justice League] likely read comics.

[GL1]

Meh. Not convinced... it's possible that you're right, it's also possible that you're completely wrong.

As for Zar25, sorry if I was hard on you, but the whole Hal-centrism really turns me off to DC as a whole. I wouldn't mind if it was just fans, but even DC editorial seems to worship him just as hard, and I find it wearying that the people who determine how good the characters are seem to feel that one character is the absolute best at everything... even though THEY control that. And I just feel that accomplishment and experience wise, several GLs match up to Hal and the books never seem to show that, and that kind of illogic and bias is disgusting to me. I'm sorry if I took out my beef with DC on you though, cuz Hal is a very good character (that just happens to have ZERO appeal for me).

But I will take time to disagree with you that anything about the Star Wars stories are disjointed... starting stories in the middle is a time honored tradition.

That said, I'll just say as I said before, "The Green Lantern Corps > Hal Jordan." An Ensemble movie would own all.

[StorminNorman]

I have no friends who watch Justice League...and in fact we looked it up already and 8-12 year olds watched Justice League NOT 18-24 year olds. People, teenagers, don't watch cartoons...they watch sports and play video games. It's not a matter of opinion. You post on a site with comic fans, that puts you in a VERY narrow group.

As I stated in my post, before Batman Begins I knew nothing about comic books - and that includes The Hype. I was not in that very narrow group.

And while I agree that 8-12 (though I think JL had a higher appeal range) those 8-12 year old kids grow up to be 18,19,20 years old. Even though none of my friends has seen a JL cartoon in years, they still remember the show.

[Zar25]

[quote=GL1;11244702]Meh. Not convinced... it's possible that you're right, it's also possible that you're completely wrong.'

Maybe there's a way to prove if it's true or false but I'm doubtful anyone's gonna be pulling considerable resources for such a silly and rather moot point.

<"As for Zar25, sorry if I was hard on you, but the whole Hal-centrism really turns me off to DC as a whole.">

No worry, i never really did take it too seriously. Was just a simple case of blowing off some steam but I do agree that for some fans the Hal worship can be a bit much . It's a fandom thing. Kinda like if you're a Buffy fan whose fav character was Xander and Spike was everybody else's dreamboat. It's bound to get on your nerves at some point. I'm a Xand fan by the way. So I think I know how you feel :)

< "I wouldn't mind if it was just fans, but even DC editorial seems to worship him just as hard, and I find it wearying that the people who determine how good the characters are seem to feel that one character is the absolute best at everything... even though THEY control that.">

I don't think DC editorial is approaching it that way. I remember that DC were very nervous about putting Hal in the swing of things after the crap they put on him and it was Geoff Johns who had gone to great lengths to prove to DC that the classic character still had some good stories in him. You have to understand that before this Hal was considered a no-go for years. The silver age character was considered off limits and pretty much passe'.

When Geoff was on the cause the hype suddenly began to build up and then suddenly everybody wanted Hal back. Rebirth was an absolute success so DC stuck with the program. So for many fans bringing back Hal into the spotlight was a looong time comin'. The back to basics approach worked and that's why we have Hal-centered madness thus far. Arguably Hal is the most famous name attributed to Green Lantern and DC on their part seems to be putting him out there so to speak. The new animated feature focuses heavily on Hal if I'm not wrong so that's why I won't be surprised if Hal was a slot in for GL the movie , and Hal is hardly the best at everything. He's screwed up a lot despite the hero thing. That was how he started anyways and now he's still screwed up. He's more shiny now though :)


<"And I just feel that accomplishment and experience wise, several GLs match up to Hal and the books never seem to show that, and that kind of illogic and bias is disgusting to me. I'm sorry if I took out my beef with DC on you though, cuz Hal is a very good character (that just happens to have ZERO appeal for me).">


The only person so far that I feel that has matched Hal in terms of accomplishment is Kyle. He's the one that helped take Parallax down , he's the one that brought back the Guardians. In terms of experience John and Guy and Kilowog's are about on par I think but what DC I feel has always maintained is the fact that Hal had the most ability. He was the most natural ring bearer. No GL could take Sinestro before he did. That spoke volumes of what he was capable of at the time. Even the Guardians deemed him somewhat 'special'.

Also we have to take into account that Hal was the character that ushered in the Green Lantern Corps and because of that he was always gonna be the golden boy of that act. Just can't be helped really.

What I feel is funny though is how John stewart of JL animated fame is an amalgation of Hal and John. It's why I chuckle everytime someone points out John's uniqueness. What saved John for me in JL was his camaderie with Wally West/ Flash and the Shayera love angle. I'm still bummed that Kyle didn't get to pair off with Wally though. Those two were a freakin' hoot in Grant Morrison's JLA.


<"But I will take time to disagree with you that anything about the Star Wars stories are disjointed... starting stories in the middle is a time honored tradition.:>

I didn't say all stories that follow that tradition are by default disjointed, I just meant proper guidance is needed to ensure that they aren't. Stars Wars if we're getting to that was okay by my standards but I do feel that
episodes I and II could have done better with a more focused direction.


<" An Ensemble movie would own all.">


Amen to that brother :) Pretty much my opinion too.

[GL1]

Heh... gotta respect an informed opinion. Well posted. And while I do feel that several things that occurred in Mosaic put John on Hal and Kyle's level, I can understand if someone thinks that it's 'out of continuity' with the way DC has ignored it. I also fail to see any similiarities between animated John and Hal, save for them being in different branches of the american Military...

But the uber-hero Hal has so much appeal, especially since Superman failed to be the uber-hero he's always been concieved in favor of emoness, it kinda blots out any hope of seeing anything other than the Green Lantern that's been shoved down my throat for the past couple years... meh.

[Advanced Dark]

Look at this guys.
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272616238.shtml
MEANWHILE: Is Boreanaz starring in "Jurassic Park 4"? It's been reported, but when asked about it, he laughs and says, "That would be nice. I don't know when I would do that, but I believe in the power of belief, so why not?" And as for reports that he'll play Marvel Comics character Namor in a film called "Sub-Mariner," he says, "I haven't tried on the Speedos quite yet. I did do the voice of The Green Lantern, Hal Jordan, for 'Justice League: the New Frontier'" -- the forthcoming animated D.C. Comics film. "That's something I'd really like to go for if they did it as a live action film."

[ZIPBAGS]

As much as I want Hal Jordan. If they go with Stewart here is your man...

Morris Chestnut
http://www.osobnosti.cz/images/gallery/5568.jpg

[chamber-music]

As much as I want Hal Jordan. If they go with Stewart here is your man...

Morris Chestnut
http://www.osobnosti.cz/images/gallery/5568.jpg

His one of my picks for Luke Cage, but I think he could do a good stewart.

[Shoemeister]

Look at this guys.
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272616238.shtml

Boreanaz is poop. No thanks.

[moguy]

GL will defintely be black.

Chestnut is a good choice.

[Advanced Dark]

GL is easily my favorite DC character. I hope it's Hal Jordon.

[Mr. Socko]

I've never read a Green Lantern comic, only a few ensemble JL comics, so it doesn't matter to me which version they cast. I remember the JLA show, I think Lantern was black in there but I also remember a white Lantern too...lol

[Dark Knight]

Well, supposedly the last GREEN LANTERN pitch (the serious one) involved John Stewart training Kyle Rayner to stop Hal Jordan who was going Parallax. That's an angle I could see working on film. But I'd rather not see that in the first film of a franchise.



Thats an angle that I would like to see in the first solo GL film as well.

I wrote script treatment on a similiar storyline....

[Dark Knight]

Henry Simmons for John Stewart!

[spider-neil]

from darkhorizons.com: http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070923a.php

Audition took place this past week for the "Justice League (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070923a.php#)" project and notices mailed out have confirmed some details.

First up, shooting is slated to begin mid-February in Sydney, Australia and the shoot will run for approximately three to four months under the helm of the confirmed George Miller.

The production is currently based out of Seattle (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070923a.php#), and they are searching "for the 8-9 leads for this action feature film".

What do they require? "We are looking for Male actors (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070923a.php#) 18-35 years old; Caucasian and Black. The primary focus should be to find Caucasian actors. There is 1 role for the Black Actor (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070923a.php#). We are looking for Female actors 20-32 years old; any ethnicity."



well well well
looks like its john stewart unless they want MM to be played by a black guy

[TheLongestDay]

As much as I want Hal Jordan. If they go with Stewart here is your man...

Morris Chestnut
http://www.osobnosti.cz/images/gallery/5568.jpg

thats exactly what i thought the second i saw that guy!...still...wish they were going with Kyle rayner-but as the previous discussions show people will always want the version of GL they most identify with

[Hole Shot]

What about Leonard Roberts a.k.a. D.L.?
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/52/01/0000035201_20061021061606.jpg

[TheLongestDay]

hes pretty cool but already a superhero (phase shifter man...um walks through walls man...uh ghostdude?) plus Morris seems a bit more rugged which fits for John

[Hole Shot]

hes pretty cool but already a superhero (phase shifter man...um walks through walls man...uh ghostdude?) plus Morris seems a bit more rugged which fits for John

I don't think he's coming back in Season 2. And don't think playing Green Latern and D.L. is that big a deal since people here try to suggest Jessica Alba for every single female comic book role short of Aunt May & Ma.


Anyone suggest Roger Cross, the guy that plays Curtis in 24?

[TheLongestDay]

I don't think he's coming back in Season 2. And don't think playing Green Latern and D.L. is that big a deal since people here try to suggest Jessica Alba for every single female comic book role short of Aunt May & Ma.


Anyone suggest Roger Cross, the guy that plays Curtis in 24?

True,look at Halle Berry with Storm and Catwoman (ugh). I just think John has to be an imposing guy with a little more maturity than some of the other members-but it looks like the JLA movie will feature younger versions of the characters anyway so he could be a good fit in that sense

[Hush]

I really dont want Stewart and the fact that it isnt Hal or Kyle for that matter which would be ideal truly ruins alot of this movie for me.

[spider-neil]

I really dont want Stewart and the fact that it isnt Hal or Kyle for that matter which would be ideal truly ruins alot of this movie for me.


did stewart ruin JL/JLU for you?

[spider-neil]

I don't think he's coming back in Season 2. And don't think playing Green Latern and D.L. is that big a deal since people here try to suggest Jessica Alba for every single female comic book role short of Aunt May & Ma.


Anyone suggest Roger Cross, the guy that plays Curtis in 24?


roger cross is a great choice, DL from heroes looks too young for the part.

[Nokio]

thats exactly what i thought the second i saw that guy!...still...wish they were going with Kyle rayner-but as the previous discussions show people will always want the version of GL they most identify with


Great if only he wasn't doing stage plays and is commited to those right now.

[Nokio]

As much as I want Hal Jordan. If they go with Stewart here is your man...

Morris Chestnut
http://www.osobnosti.cz/images/gallery/5568.jpg


I'm almost a 100 percent sure that WB would not cast him cause this is an actor where to many fans wouldn't be against him. I fear who they will get for GL. Tyrese just keep popping up as someone WB would cast. God i hope not, but when it comes to black actors WB and other studios just go we need a black actor unless it's the big five black actors who have more of a choice. Denzil, Will, Sam, Morgan and Halle. They aren't going to look for who's the best fit for John. Pretty much any bald black guy would be fine for them as long as he can scowl and be the angry black man.

[Nokio]

What about Leonard Roberts a.k.a. D.L.?
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/52/01/0000035201_20061021061606.jpg


No and why is JS bald now all of a sudden?

[Franklin Richards]

If I HAVE to have John, I want him to look like he did when he got the ring.


Afro baby.


:gl: :gl: :gl:

[TheLongestDay]

I really dont want Stewart and the fact that it isnt Hal or Kyle for that matter which would be ideal truly ruins alot of this movie for me.

like i said before,everyone wants the character they most relate to-and for me thats Kyle,i think Guy is a much more interesting GL than John but thats besides the point...hey at least we arent getting this:

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v254/captaincorey/jack_black_as_green_lantern.jpg

[TheLongestDay]

Erik King would be great as John toohttp://www.dexterial-killer.fr/design/char_sgt_biospic.jpg

[GreenKToo]

morris chestnut, and after seeing pursuit of happiness, i'd be kool with will smith as well.

[Hole Shot]

Wait. Doesn't Hollywood have a rule that Samuel L. Jackson has the first right of refusal of all cool black male roles prior to casting anyone else?

roger cross is a great choice, DL from heroes looks too young for the part.

Now that I look back, DL is wrong.

Curtis is a bad ass. I'm sticking with my Roger Cross suggestion just so someone besides Chestnut is in the mix. (ewww, horrible pun, not intentional)

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/5741/RogerRCros_Vespa_12411717_400.jpg


No and why is JS bald now all of a sudden?

There's this new scientific craze taking the country by storm - it's called GROWING HAIR!

[TheLongestDay]

Wait. Doesn't Hollywood have a rule that Samuel L. Jackson has the first right of refusal of all cool black male roles prior to casting anyone else?


the funny thing is,after the JLA cartoon turned into JLU,they made John alot more Samuel L. Jackson-like!

[TheLongestDay]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/gljohn.jpg

[Hole Shot]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/gljohn.jpg


Yup, that's Curtis on the left. I'm right, I rule! The guy on the right is DMX.

[TheLongestDay]

wierd how none of the other characters looks changed

[Nokio]

morris chestnut, and after seeing pursuit of happiness, i'd be kool with will smith as well.


Oh Will Smith would be cool, but he'd become the star of the show and eat up a good chunk of the budget. The last thing WB needs to do is cast known actors who will eat up the budget. It'll be Xmen, where it'll cost a 100 mil for the cast alone after two films.

[Nokio]

Erik King would be great as John toohttp://www.dexterial-killer.fr/design/char_sgt_biospic.jpg


Oh lord no. Not another sterotypical casting choice. A bald black guy looking mean and scowling. This is becoming standard in hollywood and to white people. We do actually have hair and don't all look mean.

[Hole Shot]

Oh lord no. Not another sterotypical casting choice. A bald black guy looking mean and scowling. This is becoming standard in hollywood and to white people. We do actually have hair and don't all look mean.


And again, I point to Roger Cross!!!:oldrazz:

[TheLongestDay]

Oh lord no. Not another sterotypical casting choice. A bald black guy looking mean and scowling. This is becoming standard in hollywood and to white people. We do actually have hair and don't all look mean.

thats pretty much all John Stewart does lol!...besides,im sure he could grow hair...

[TheLongestDay]

besides my suggestions are based off of acting ability and presence

[TheLongestDay]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/THEfourcopy.jpg
Erik King as John Stewart

Jared Leto as Kyle Rayner

Josh Holloway as Guy Gardner

Peter Krause as Hal Jordan

[Excel]

http://www.frontrowking.com/comedians/jamie%20foxx/Jamie-Foxx-Posters.jpg

[Advanced Dark]

I wanted Hal Jordon damnit.

[Hole Shot]

http://www.frontrowking.com/comedians/jamie%20foxx/Jamie-Foxx-Posters.jpg


Mixing him with Biel would remind people of Stealth. That'd be bad.

[Advanced Dark]

Besides his teeth always bugged me. They look fake. GL didn't have fake teeth. :)

[Darknightnomis]

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/71/80/0000017180_20060921083409.jpghttp://www.ikuzostudioswest.com/greenlantern%20small.jpg

[MagicPrime]

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/71/80/0000017180_20060921083409.jpghttp://www.ikuzostudioswest.com/greenlantern%20small.jpg


No no no no no no no no a million times no

[Darknightnomis]

No no no no no no no no a million times no


Heh heh Just kidding.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6172/morrischestnutiv5.jpg

Morris Chestnut.

[TheLongestDay]

i like Morris,but im still hoping for Erik King
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/erik-kingcopy.jpg

[Advanced Dark]

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/71/80/0000017180_20060921083409.jpghttp://www.ikuzostudioswest.com/greenlantern%20small.jpg

Aresenio Hall? LOL

[TheLongestDay]

i could also see Ryan Reynold for Kyle Rayner-too bad hes attached to the Flash

[Advanced Dark]

In addition, IESB reports that Clifford Joseph Harris Jr. aka T.I. (“American Gangster”) has read for the role of The Green Lantern. No word if he’s got it, or is even in the running, but he’s read.

Per Moviehole.

[superadam87]

I little something I'm working on... Here's a taste.

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[dnno1]

http://www.frontrowking.com/comedians/jamie%20foxx/Jamie-Foxx-Posters.jpg

He would be a good actor and could add some humor to the role (especially his relationship with The Flash). But Rumor has it that Tyrese Gibson (http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/more/green_lantern_jla_candidate_2_tyrese_gibson/) tested.

[Excel]

t.i., Foxx, or Tyrese are who Ive been saying!!! CHYEA!!!

[Lobo]

I want Morris Chestnut but I think Tyrese will be GL

[Excel]

Eh; he aint cheap. He has a good agent; he was paid 8 millino for his 2 second role in Transformers.

[TheLongestDay]

Eh; he aint cheap. He has a good agent; he was paid 8 millino for his 2 second role in Transformers.

i wasnt impressed with him in transformers:csad:

[Lobo]

wow his agent must be good, if he got 8 mil for the 15 seconds in TF, still i think he'll be the choice. Personally I'd have no problem with him as John

[TheLongestDay]

all he said was...

"bring the rain!" "bring it" and "thats alien,that aint friendly"

[Excel]

his "bring it!"was the most marketed line of the film...

Having Tyrese as a charasmatic green lantern spounting one liners would make him a scene stealer.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ TheLongestDay. You forgot "Left cheek, left cheek, left cheek" and "man,if you see this ****". :trans:

[Excel]

^with a heavy emphasis on the "shee-itt"

[Jake Cassidy]

I love Transformers. :woot: That includes the new movie, the old movie and the original cartoon. :heart: :trans:

[Mr. Socko]

Oh lord, no Tyrese for Lantern.

[Nokio]

Eh; he aint cheap. He has a good agent; he was paid 8 millino for his 2 second role in Transformers.


Tyrese got 8 mil for TF? WTF? Are you sure that's accurate? I could see him getting 3 mil tops, but 8? Well if he got it I aint' mad at him.

[KenK]

^ TheLongestDay. You forgot "Left cheek, left cheek, left cheek" and "man,if you see this ****". :trans:

I was hoping someone would bring that one up! That was PRICELESS!!

i like Morris,but im still hoping for Erik King
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/erik-kingcopy.jpg

Oh wow, I don't doubt that he'd do a good job, but he's just so INTENSE. Him on Dexter, I swear that man walks around crackin' walnuts with his buttcheeks!

[TheLongestDay]

I was hoping someone would bring that one up! That was PRICELESS!!



Oh wow, I don't doubt that he'd do a good job, but he's just so INTENSE. Him on Dexter, I swear that man walks around crackin' walnuts with his buttcheeks!

Well he needs to be a hardass if hes gonna stand in the same room as Batman :woot:

[Ibn]

Erik King would be great as John toohttp://www.dexterial-killer.fr/design/char_sgt_biospic.jpg

Doaxes would be perfect. I think I said that in another thread. It might have been this one:huh:. ^That man's scowl is f-in perfect. He knows how to play the tough authority prick well. He looks like a military guy IMO.

[hame4479]

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/71/80/0000017180_20060921083409.jpghttp://www.ikuzostudioswest.com/greenlantern%20small.jpg


That would be ****ing hilarious.

[Dotten]

What about Richard T. Jones? (Have no idea what he is doing these days).

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/23/97/0000002397_20060919154953.jpg
http://i.tnt.tv/v5cache/TNT/Images/judgingamy_artjo.gif
http://www.tvguide.com/images/pgimg/girlfriends-jones27.jpg

[Jake Cassidy]

^ That's a good choice.

[Dark Knight]

Heh heh Just kidding.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6172/morrischestnutiv5.jpg

Morris Chestnut.



:up:

[StorminNorman]

Omar Epps! http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/75/58/0000007558_20060920144135.jpg

[TheLongestDay]

Omar Epps! http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/75/58/0000007558_20060920144135.jpg

i like omar and hes a fine actor,i just dont see him as Green Lantern

[Thunder Emperor]

I have got a candidate. I need to find a pic of the guy.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/gokou20/1541649697_l.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/gokou20/1541650643_l.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/gokou20/1515662750_l.jpg

here he is, what do you guys think?

[batboy99]

how bout angles Gunn, J.August Richards?

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Yeah, he's really good too. Isn't it great how many actors could easily play John Stewart? This is probably the easiest role to cast. If any of them want it, that is.

[buggs0268]

I have got a candidate. I need to find a pic of the guy.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/gokou20/1541649697_l.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/gokou20/1541650643_l.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/gokou20/1515662750_l.jpg

here he is, what do you guys think?
He fits the part.

[Thunder Emperor]

He fits the part.

lol thanks buggs.

[gadgetfusion]

Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner - Wes Bentley (American Beauty, Ghost Rider)
John Stewart - Gabriel Casseus (Bedazzled, Black Hawk Down) or Morris Chestnut (Boyz in the Hood, Like Mike)

[Teen Lantern]

Wasn't there an actor who wanted to play John Stewart in a GL movie? I think he said something like he even wrote a script for one and maybe others. Can't remember his name, but he's in a tv show though

[Lone Wolf]

Wasn't there an actor who wanted to play John Stewart in a GL movie? I think he said something like he even wrote a script for one and maybe others. Can't remember his name, but he's in a tv show though
Corey Reynolds. He's currently on The Closer...While he isn't my first choice, I wouldn't mind him at all and he could definitely do the character justice. He really knows a lot about Stewart as well as the other Green Lanterns. He's been wanting to star in a film for quite some time, even going as far as admitting he was trying to get the rights to a franchise. Also mentioning that if he did, he would want to make it a trilogy.

[Lone Wolf]

Here's the interview:
COREY REYNOLDS: GREEN LANTERN TO BE?
http://www.newsarama.com/movies/Corey.jpg by Steve Fritz

If you were to ask Corey Reynolds, he’s having the time of his life.

Not even 30, he’s worked his way from regional theatre to Broadway and now to a key supporting role in TNT’s The Closer. Of course, this begs one highly important question for the actor who plays Sgt. David Gabriel.

Marvel or DC?

“I have my favorites on both sides, but my heart is with DC,” he replies, “because DC has the Green Lantern. Green Lantern is my favorite comic book hero.”

That begs a second critical question. So is your favorite Lantern? Hal? Guy? Kyle? Who?

“Now Hal Jordan is the ultimate Green Lantern,” Reynolds admits, “but my favorite is John Stewart. I believe that it really is about time for a black, traditional, All-American hero and Stewart represents that.

“He’s gone through everything from being paralyzed to being healed, to being placed in charge of it all, to patrolling 2814. He’s gone through everything. But when you look at his back story as far as where he comes from., how he grew up, that he’s an architect by trade, I think it’s very interesting to think that someone like him was given the ability to just about anything they want with their mind. I also think it’s interesting that he has such a creative mind to begin with. I love the whole idea that the combination of will and determination being the link to his abilities. So I think he would be a really interesting character to bring to the screen, and I’m working hard to make it happen.”

You read that right. Reynolds is currently hard at work on obtaining the rights to DC’s Green Lantern franchise. Ambitious, even for an actor who’s only truly starting to get his first true taste of national exposure. Then again, we’re also talking about one huge comic book fan here; one who is actually working for a subsidiary of Warner Bros. Stranger things have happened in Hollywood, and some have even worked out.

From the amount of thought Reynolds has put into John Stewart, he just might pull it off.

“I’d rather not discuss the business aspect as they are still very up in the air, but ultimately yes, it would be Warner Bros. I would be working with,” says Reynolds. “After all, they own the comic. Also, with the success of Batman Begins and the anticipated success of Superman Returns, there’s talk.”

There’s still one major question though, and that is what direction would Reynolds take this particular Emerald Knight? As he acknowledged, Stewart’s been through more than his share of changes since he was introduced. Also, there’s the matter of how he’s been redefined again through Bruce Timm and crew’s Justice League series.

“Story-wise the direction I’m going is more true to the comic,” says Reynolds. “What I think is interesting about this way is normally a lot of heroes are just born that way or are born knowing they have a path to travel. John always felt there was a purpose to his life, he just didn’t know what capacity it would be in. Then, all of a sudden, he is handed this tremendous gift and not everyone is prepared for that.

“I’d love for it to be a series. I think I would need about three films to tell the story that I’d want to. I’d like to use the first film to paint the picture of what he is as a man. I’d also challenge the viewer to what they would be like if they were given the same responsibility. How would they handle it? Hopefully that would be the bridge between all the versions of him.

“I think the interesting thing about bringing the big guy to the screen is finding the balance between those who see him the way Bruce Timm and Phil LaMarr made him, and the version in the comics,” says Reynolds. “If that isn’t enough, one also when doing a movie one also has to make him interesting to people who have never read the comics or seen the cartoon, especially as he doesn’t get as much hype as many other characters at DC. He’s not just what the younger kids have seen, this big brooding character from the cartoons.”

Reynolds also has a very strong idea what kind of movie his Green Lantern would be.

“Visually, I think the film could be stunning,” he said. “Bryan Singer would be the director I would salivate to have. When he worked on the X-Men movies he created this incredibly organic world that made you believe the characters that were in there. He really captured that series the way I think the fans would have wanted it to be.”

As for other Lanterns making an appearance, Stewart admits there he has to be a bit of a realist. “I think that’s something we will see happen. Some of them will be on screen while others will only be alluded to. I have to be careful to not step on other potential franchises. If possible, in the second film I want to throw a reference in to the League as a whole, and John joining.”

In the meantime, he appears to be having the time of his life playing Sgt. Gabriel.

“It has its plusses and minuses,” says Reynolds. “On the plus side I’m allowed to make mistakes. After all, it’s my first experience not only with a TV series, but with the camera altogether. Before The Closer my entire experience has been in live performance. So I’m going from stage to screen. The good news is everyone has their role both on the screen and in the family. I’m in the position that I can ask questions and not look silly.”

“Gabriel is the youngest of the characters, but he got there because he deserved to. After all, his rank is sergeant and all the characters know he’s on the accelerated path. He was also brought in because he’s one of the few who understand Kyra’s character as a person. He also knows she’s the best person he can have to mentor him and help him along on the path that’s been made for him. It’s very big sister/ little brother.

“Another thing about Gabriel, along with John Stewart for that matter,” Reynolds continues, “is both have an innate sense of seeing right from wrong. He also is compelled to insure that justice prevails. Last year was about establishing the relationships inside the squad. This season it will be about the squad going up against the LAPD as a whole. I think the viewers will really enjoy it.”

And working on a Warner Bros./Turner-produced show has its perks. For instance, Reynolds apparently has all the Justice League DVDs in his trailer for his viewing pleasure…including the unreleased stuff.

And as an admittedly huge comic book fan, the steady income of a successful TV actor has been doing wonders for the personal collection.

“I do a lot of my shopping through the Internet and especially eBay for things that are hard to find,” says Reynolds. “I recently found a mint condition 1984 Hall of Justice headquarters on there. The collection of action figures has exploded now that I have the resources to pamper myself with. I probably have a total of 600 to 700 action figures in my collection. The comic book collection itself was lost in my move from the East Coast to LA, where a lot of my good stuff got destroyed. I’ve recouped as much of it as I could but one thing I’m proud to say I have is a lithograph of John Stewart signed by Bruce Timm.”

Lord knows what will happen to that collection if the Warners does give this man the green light on the Lantern project. Then again, it probably couldn’t be in better hands.
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73962

[Franklin Richards]

Wow. The guy really is a fan.


Ok. You got the job.


:gl: :gl: :gl:

[The Marvel]

But is he a good actor?

[Franklin Richards]

I haven't seen him do Lear, but he's an actor and NOT a model or musician or wrestler.


:gl: :gl: :gl:

[Radford]

Justin Theroux for Kyle Rayner, imo.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/radford/justintheroux.jpg

[not_a_victim]

I want a Hal Jordan movie, at least the first one. If they go with different GLs, they could make it into a much better version of what they tried to do with Batman in the 80's and 90's. Have a different actor for each move, as it would be a different Gl in each movie.
Hal Jordan first, and cast George Eads.
After that, I don't care about the order...
Sinestro...James Marsters (I also like Marsters for Alan Scott)
John Stewart...Tyreese Gibson? (Never really liked the character, so I'm meh about anyone playing him. He is the last on my choices for any GL movie.)
Guy Gardner....Vinnie Jones.
Kilowog...Michael Duncan in some prostetics.
more later.

[Nokio]

Here's the interview:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73962

Who exactly is this guy?? What has he to do with GL other being a fan? Anyway I like his passion, but he lost me on Singer directing. Hell Naw!

[BojacRedleif]

There's only one man who can be Hal Jordan.
http://www.ndcma.com/images/Img123.gif

[KBX]

^^^Please tell me that is not Tommy from the Power Rangers........

[BojacRedleif]

It is, and that is why he's perfect.
He's already mastered Green powers.

[KBX]

It is, and that is why he's perfect.
He's already mastered Green powers.

hahaha..... thats funny...

[BojacRedleif]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6286/jdfgltj2.jpg