Can't Watch This With My Kids

[celldog]

:cmad: Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!! :cmad:

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip. :csad:

[spdrknight]

The show was never marketed as a "family" show. In fact, this is not the average superhero show either.

[gambitfire]

^which is why me likes.

:D

It's X-men with a R rating.

and new spin to it.

[The Question]

:cmad: Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!! :cmad:

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip. :csad:

They never marketed it for the little'uns. Hell, it's on at nine at night. Not when any little kids are up.

[celldog]

They never marketed it for the little'uns. Hell, it's on at nine at night. Not when any little kids are up.



The marathon started earlier than nine o'clock. But I know better now.

[celldog]

The show was never marketed as a "family" show. In fact, this is not the average superhero show either.

It was never marketed as "adult" only either. It was marketed as a "super hero" show. Easy enuff for one to think "kids" could tune in.

[PowersOfMind]

How old are your kids? If you dont mind my asking. My lil sis is 10 and she watches it with me and after the rape scene she asked me about it and I expalined it to her the best I could.

[ragdus]

That's why you screen it before you sit down with your kids. Don't assume it's one thing or another. Do your homework and decide what's appropriate...

[November Rain]

:cmad: Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!! :cmad:

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip. :csad:is this on par to what can be seen in Buffy/Angel?

or do you think it is perhaps worse?

[Tanin]

I'm glad they are pushing the limits as much as they feel they want to.

Sorry your kids were in the room.

[celldog]

How old are your kids? If you dont mind my asking. My lil sis is 10 and she watches it with me and after the rape scene she asked me about it and I expalined it to her the best I could.


A 6 year old daughter. More power to to ya'. But I think a 10 year old shouldn't be watching strippers, sex scenes and lap dancing either.

Can't we let the innocence of our children remain undefiled past 4 years old??? Geeez.....

[celldog]

is this on par to what can be seen in Buffy/Angel?

or do you think it is perhaps worse?


I never watched Buffy or Angel.

[celldog]

That's why you screen it before you sit down with your kids. Don't assume it's one thing or another. Do your homework and decide what's appropriate...

I ususally do. But....I guess I took too much for granted on this on.

[PLAS]

A 6 year old daughter. More power to to ya'. But I think a 10 year old shouldn't be watching strippers, sex scenes and lap dancing either.

Can't we let the innocence of our children remain undefiled past 4 years old??? Geeez.....
you could put a blindfold and earmuffs on your children, that could work

[The Question]

A 6 year old daughter. More power to to ya'. But I think a 10 year old shouldn't be watching strippers, sex scenes and lap dancing either.

Can't we let the innocence of our children remain undefiled past 4 years old??? Geeez.....

1) It's not the show's fault that they watched it.

2) There's only so much you can do. They're going to find out about it eventually. And kids are much better at dealing with such concepts that we give them credit for.

[amazingfantasy15]

It wasn't advertised as a show appropriate for 6 year olds. More like a TV version of Unbreakable which was either PG-13 or R, not a spandex superhero like Spider-Man or Superman.

[amazingfantasy15]

I ususally do. But....I guess I took too much for granted on this on.

Yeah, but you come to these boards fairly often, over the past month you could have easily read one episode review thread and realized whether or not the show is appropriate for a 6 year old.

[the a1ant]

The chopped up heads, with brains missing and the dead people on the walls shocked me. I like that this show is edgy. It's unique, and am surprised with some of the stuff they get to show on NBC (that's the station, right?). :eek:

is this on par to what can be seen in Buffy/Angel? or do you think it is perhaps worse?

I think Heroes is edgier than Buffy...but then again, that show did show people being skinned alive, etc. I dunno...I think Heroes has more 'disturbing' imagery at times.

[Gold Samurai]

this reminds me of "Smallville" which was rated as the best family show a few years back........then they have and ep where students are frozen into statues then pushed off some stairs and shattering into tiny little pieces lol

[celldog]

1) It's not the show's fault that they watched it.

2) There's only so much you can do. They're going to find out about it eventually. And kids are much better at dealing with such concepts that we give them credit for.


Respectfully, When you move out the house and have children, then you can lecture me.

Until then you can't possibly understand my responsibility and the struggle of trying to protect your child from things they shouldn't be exposed to.

[celldog]

It wasn't advertised as a show appropriate for 6 year olds. More like a TV version of Unbreakable which was either PG-13 or R, not a spandex superhero like Spider-Man or Superman.

It wasn't advertised like that either. Don't make stuff up. No lap dances were in those commercials.

[celldog]

Yeah, but you come to these boards fairly often, over the past month you could have easily read one episode review thread and realized whether or not the show is appropriate for a 6 year old.


Haven't been to the Heroes board much at all., though..

[celldog]

The chopped up heads, with brains missing and the dead people on the walls shocked me. I like that this show is edgy. It's unique, and am surprised with some of the stuff they get to show on NBC (that's the station, right?). :eek:

yeah....what the.......:wow: that's what I'm sayin'...

I think Heroes is edgier than Buffy...but then again, that show did show people being skinned alive, etc. I dunno...I think Heroes has more 'disturbing' imagery at times.


well I know better now...

[xwolverine2]

:cmad: Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!! :cmad:

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip. :csad:
you sounds like the mpaa:o

:cmad:

[Amazing Afroman]

I understand the frustration if you didn't know but it is beholden upon to look into the content of the show. Furthermore your statements indicate that you knew that people would fire back at you and therefore that you'd made a mistake. That being the case, why expose yourself to criticism.

[The Question]

Respectfully, When you move out the house and have children, then you can lecture me.

Until then you can't possibly understand my responsibility and the struggle of trying to protect your child from things they shouldn't be exposed to.

I do understand that it's your responsibility. Not the people who make TV shows. If you don't want your kids to watch a certain type of show, then it's your job to make sure they don't.

[Primal Slayer]

A 6 year old daughter. More power to to ya'. But I think a 10 year old shouldn't be watching strippers, sex scenes and lap dancing either.

Can't we let the innocence of our children remain undefiled past 4 years old??? Geeez.....


I watched Buffy when I was 8.

I saw horror movies like Nightmare on Elm Street before I turned 6.

It didnt effect me in any way.

As long as they are able to distinguish between reality and television and understand not to mimick what they see on tv they should be fine.

But I understand that you want to keep your kids away from violent tv and probably movies but they are going to be exposed to it one way or another. It all depends on how people want to raise their kids. Rosie O'Donnel(sp) doesnt even let her kids watch television but ofcourse there are pros and cons to everything.

[November Rain]

well I know better now...it also showed buffy having sex on in a club, sex numerous times when invisible and sex in a collapsing building, all with a dead dude...

:wow:

[Upset Spideyfan]

sex in a collapsing building, all with a dead dude...

:wow:


WTF? LMAO!!!

[AcidTWister]

A 6 year old daughter. More power to to ya'. But I think a 10 year old shouldn't be watching strippers, sex scenes and lap dancing either.

Can't we let the innocence of our children remain undefiled past 4 years old??? Geeez.....

As someone who was raised by a parent with similar ideas and morals, trust me:

If they don't learn it from you, or with you, they'll just learn it somewhere else. So it all depends on where you want the innocence to lie. Do you want them to learn that those things aren't how a life should be lived, from you? Or would you rather them learn it from a friend, and learn to hide things from you at the very same time?

[celldog]

As someone who was raised by a parent with similar ideas and morals, trust me:

If they don't learn it from you, or with you, they'll just learn it somewhere else. So it all depends on where you want the innocence to lie. Do you want them to learn that those things aren't how a life should be lived, from you? Or would you rather them learn it from a friend, and learn to hide things from you at the very same time?


They are going to learn it from me....not from the TV or the movies or friends. And ONLY when I (the parent) think they are ready. Why are we throwing all of this gore and sex at them so early??

[The Question]

They are going to learn it from me....not from the TV or the movies or friends. And ONLY when I (the parent) think they are ready. Why are we throwing all of this gore and sex at them so early??

WE'RE not. No one's forcing them to watch or listen to anything. It's not the TV producers' responsibility to make sure your kids are raised the way you want them to be. It's yours.

[celldog]

As someone who was raised by a parent with similar ideas and morals, trust me:

If they don't learn it from you, or with you, they'll just learn it somewhere else. So it all depends on where you want the innocence to lie. Do you want them to learn that those things aren't how a life should be lived, from you? Or would you rather them learn it from a friend, and learn to hide things from you at the very same time?


They are going to learn it from me....not from the TV or the movies or friends. And ONLY when I (the parent) think they are ready. Why are we throwing all of this gore and sex at them so early??

[ragdus]

It's all relative. young kids got to witness family members suffer horrific injuries on family farms for hundreds of years now, and humanity has survived.

[ragdus]

having trouble posting today?

[PLAS]

They are going to learn it from me....not from the TV or the movies or friends. And ONLY when I (the parent) think they are ready. Why are we throwing all of this gore and sex at them so early??
that's pretty a closed minded statement, but then again... :rolleyes: why should I tell you how to raise your children?

the whole point is this: as a parent, one would love that nothing ever happens to our children, that they remain innocent and unpoluted from the though, greasy, violent, stained and politically incorrectness that pululates around the world, but it's really not possible

the show has many different themes, one of them being that good and evil are relative moral values, you've got Claire's dad, who up to two days ago, everyone loathed, but last night acted like any parent would in that situation, if not even better than most of us would if ever put (God forbid) there

you've got Nathan, who pretty much is depicted as what an ideal politician would be like: knows the difference between right and wrong, and jumps from one side to the other depending on whatever is the best solution for any given problem. yes, he has done some pretty questionable stuff, but it's always for the greater good

what better way than to teach moral values to your kids, while at the same time sharing a common interest

besides, no kid under 10 will ever have the patience to watch that show all the way through, so ****ing lighten up, dude

[PowersOfMind]

A 6 year old daughter. More power to to ya'. But I think a 10 year old shouldn't be watching strippers, sex scenes and lap dancing either.

Can't we let the innocence of our children remain undefiled past 4 years old??? Geeez.....

I guess it doesnt seem like a big deal to me because my parents raised me that way. Their approach was that they rather I see it with them than in the street or with someone else. Becuase there are kids out there whose parents dont moniter what they see at all and those are they kids that your kid goes to school with and plays with and etc.

But to each his own of course and your daughter is only 6 so I think its good that you decided to hold off on some things for a little while longer.

[celldog]

I do understand that it's your responsibility. Not the people who make TV shows. If you don't want your kids to watch a certain type of show, then it's your job to make sure they don't.




No....you understand "what" my responsibility is. But You don't have a clue of the stress of carrying out that responsibility. Since this is something you know nothing about, you can sit this one out. Respectfully......:yay:

[Mixairian]

:cmad: Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!! :cmad:

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip. :csad:

You're right. For many kids, the has too much of a real world dose. For parents who wish to shelter their children from such things, this is not the show to be watching. The show is meant for adults and teenagers to young teens.

[Killgore]

Well it is rated TV14. :whatever:

[Lara]

Ok as a fellow parent I understand and would never let my 9 year old watch it. In fact my 14 year old I make go to bed at 9 but I may purchase him the dvd's. I don't allow my children to watch R rated movies and no M rated games for my 9 year olds. My 14 year old is allowed to play most but not all M rated games. As a child's brain dvelops such material can only cause harm, anxiety and stress. Kids don't have the maturity to handle it. In fact I've watched part of the show with my eye's closed (autopsy scene) I approached this show like Lost and expected an adult show from the begining but I can see why you were fooled. Just throwing you some support as a parent =)

[Killgore]

You're not the only parent here. Then again mine's only 18 months and she only pays attention to the TV when there's a doggie on the screen.

[ragdus]

No....you understand "what" my responsibility is. But You don't have a clue of the stress of carrying out that responsibility. Since this is something you know nothing about, you can sit this one out. Respectfully......:yay:

Which is exactly what he said, so save the bold emphasis and relax. No need to argue with people SYMPATHETIC TO YOUR POINT

[Fanticon]

A 6 year old daughter. More power to to ya'. But I think a 10 year old shouldn't be watching strippers, sex scenes and lap dancing either.

Can't we let the innocence of our children remain undefiled past 4 years old??? Geeez.....

I wouldn't even let a 6 year old watch Smallville. Heroes isn't for kids under 13...and whoever said it was an "R" rated show...thats just stupid, this show doesn't push the limits of ratings anymore than an X-men movie. But thinking it would be good for kids to watch...kids under 10? C'mon...thats a no brainer. My big complaint would be having to explain everything...why let a kid watch if they just won't get it anyway.:whatever: Next time tune them into a Power Rangers marathon.

[GhostPoet]

I wouldn't think the show WOULD be for kids. Just look at comics nowadays...they are geared towards adults now...very few comics are kid friendly. So, it makes sense the show would be.

anyway...really excited for the show. It really is one of the best shows on TV today.

[Mister J]

Well it is rated TV14. :whatever:
Exactly. Right there at the beginning of the ep.

[Killgore]

Hey celldog, instead of having your children watch TV have them read a funnybook. There's this one about God and stuff called Preacher that they should like.

[PLAS]

why make such a fuzz, kids would expect to see superheroes and people flying and fighting in spandex and what not

my kid and my girlfriend's kid both have watched it with us, they get bored and start doing something else

some parent's need to relax a little bit

[Logan Creed]

Ok as a fellow parent I understand and would never let my 9 year old watch it. In fact my 14 year old I make go to bed at 9 but I may purchase him the dvd's. I don't allow my children to watch R rated movies and no M rated games for my 9 year olds. My 14 year old is allowed to play most but not all M rated games. As a child's brain dvelops such material can only cause harm, anxiety and stress. Kids don't have the maturity to handle it. In fact I've watched part of the show with my eye's closed (autopsy scene) I approached this show like Lost and expected an adult show from the begining but I can see why you were fooled. Just throwing you some support as a parent =)
I'm not telling you how to raise your kids, but overprotecting your children can be just as damaging. They are much more likely to rebel at some point, whether they sneak behind your back, or when they go off to college.

I know plenty of kids who grew up in very strict households, and either snuck out and did what they wanted somewhere else, or when they finally went off to college, they went nuts. They overdid EVERYTHING they "weren't supposed to," because they had never learned how to make responsible decisions on their own. They were always told what they had to do, so they rebel against that once they have their freedom.

[PLAS]

I'm not telling you how to raise your kids, but overprotecting your children can be just as damaging. They are much more likely to rebel at some point, whether they sneak behind your back, or when they go off to college.

I know plenty of kids who grew up in very strict households, and either snuck out and did what they wanted somewhere else, or when they finally went off to college, they went nuts. They overdid EVERYTHING they "weren't supposed to," because they had never learned how to make responsible decisions on their own. They were always told what they had to do, so they rebel against that once they have their freedom.
dude, don't risk a lawsuit over it

no parent I've met (myself included) wants to be told how to raise their children, and I've been in this parenting thing for 10 years, which means I should know better now, but it's just like everything else in life, you learn by ****ing up

[GL1]

Interesting...

1) Heroes is not a Superhero show. It's good and critically acclaimed because it is NOT a superhero show, none of the conventions of comic books are followed. The only reason to look for superheroes in "Heroes" is blind assumption.

2) Parenting is a delicate art. Just because your kids don't turn out to be axe murders doesn't mean they're perfect, or that you couldn't have done a better job. When a person, especially a child is exposed to something for the first time, they make decisions about it. The more directly you control that exposure, the more directly you can pass on values. Street is bad, TV with you is okay, speaking to them directly is obviously the best way to share values, assuming you believe that's important.

While none of us are axe murders, psychology demonstrates that many of us form our opinions about sex, certain social situations and sometimes society at large through television. If you care about this issues, then obviously, you care about what your child watches on TV.

I think it's not fair to point fingers at parents who find that TV is overexposing their children. With an ever-loosening ratings system, parents with jobs just can't keep up with everything, much less preview every show. Of course it's not the Media's responsibility, but it is worth stating that it would be possible to monitor and control a child's viewing if Mass Media gave a crap. They don't. "It's the parents responsibility." and often, then, it becomes a parent's responsibility to turn off the TV, simply because Media has absolute zero concern with the development of the society that it portrays and supports it. It's like cutting down the rainforest-- saying "It's not their responsibility" doesn't redeem the disturbing and delporable levels of indifference involved.

That kind of indifference is what can allow a person to watch a person being beaten to death ten feet in front of them... while eating popcorn. Nod to the killer, walk home, watch the killing again on the news and go to sleep peacefully, dreaming about breakfast without even thinking of calling the police. If questioned the person can simply say "It wasn't my responsibility." They'd be right, wouldn't they?

It is the parent's responsibility to raise their kids. This is a responsibility that most parents shirk on some level or other, so you'll find it very hard to find support or empathy.... especially on a forum full of young people.

[Primal Slayer]

As a child's brain dvelops such material can only cause harm, anxiety and stress. Kids don't have the maturity to handle it. In fact I've watched part of the show with my eye's closed (autopsy scene) I approached this show like Lost and expected an adult show from the begining but I can see why you were fooled. Just throwing you some support as a parent =)

Um no...I watched Buffy at full length when the show first started and I was 8 years old.

I watched countless horror movies before I turned that age aswell and it didnt cause me any harm or stress. Ofcourse I had the casual nightmare but that is common.

This probably doesnt happen to the majority of kids. Or it didnt when I was young.

But im a 90s kid where a lot of tv programs were mature, even Nick. But nowadays everything is to sugercoated.

It all depends on how the parents(IMO) approach the subject, if your kids know that it is fantasy, on tv, and know not to copy anything that they see on tv, they will probably be fine.

But I do agree that when it comes to having scenes with sexual content, children probably shouldnt be watching that scene, but with how things are today, by the time they reach the 5th grade, they will probably know everything about sex, violence and other stuff just from the people around them telling them about it.

[Logan Creed]

dude, don't risk a lawsuit over it

no parent I've met (myself included) wants to be told how to raise their children, and I've been in this parenting thing for 10 years, which means I should know better now, but it's just like everything else in life, you learn by ****ing up
Hey, I'm just saying. The first sentence im my post was, "I'm not telling you how to raise your kids."

I have plenty of friends with kids, and I'd tell them the same thing. Being overprotective can be a bad thing too. I've seen it happen. It doesn't mean it always happens, just like if a kid plays Grand Theft Auto, doesn't mean they are definitely going to become a carjacking murderer.

[PLAS]

Um no...I watched Buffy at full length when the show first started and I was 8 years old.

I watched countless horror movies before I turned that age aswell and it didnt cause me any harm or stress. Ofcourse I had the casual nightmare but that is common.

This probably doesnt happen to the majority of kids. Or it didnt when I was young.

But im a 90s kid where a lot of tv programs were mature, even Nick. But nowadays everything is to sugercoated.

It all depends on how the parents(IMO) approach the subject, if your kids know that it is fantasy, on tv, and know not to copy anything that they see on tv, they will probably be fine.

But I do agree that when it comes to having scenes with sexual content, children probably shouldnt be watching that scene, but with how things are today, by the time they reach the 5th grade, they will probably know everything about sex, violence and other stuff just from the people around them telling them about it.
I grew up on unrestricted HBO and Cinemax back in the 80's, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm not that much of a sick individual... or so I think

[PLAS]

Hey, I'm just saying. The first sentence im my post was, "I'm not telling you how to raise your kids."

I have plenty of friends with kids, and I'd tell them the same thing. Being overprotective can be a bad thing too. I've seen it happen. It doesn't mean it always happens, just like if a kid plays Grand Theft Auto, doesn't mean they are definitely going to become a carjacking murderer.
and if he does, then the problem is not in the video game, it's just a symptom of a bigger problem

just like blaming an artist for a kid's suicide because he was listening to "satanic" albums

I never tried or wanted to kill myself after being exposed to Nsync, I just changed the channel

[GL1]

and if he does, then the problem is not in the video game, it's just a symptom of a bigger problem

just like blaming an artist for a kid's suicide because he was listening to "satanic" albums

I never tried or wanted to kill myself after being exposed to Nsync, I just changed the channel

"Repetition deepens the impression." Basic fact. Just because someone doesn't take it to the extreme doesn't mean they aren't affected? Some things, especially suicides, have multiple causes.

[Logan Creed]

"Repetition deepens the impression." Basic fact. Just because someone doesn't take it to the extreme doesn't mean they aren't affected? Some things, especially suicides, have multiple causes.
So listening to a song about suicide over and over greatens my chance of committing suicide, even if I was not previously inclined to do so?

[Silverstein]

Respectfully, When you move out the house and have children, then you can lecture me.

Until then you can't possibly understand my responsibility and the struggle of trying to protect your child from things they shouldn't be exposed to.

LMAO! So why did you have them awake at 9'o clok watching this show without having even checked it out yourself first?

And no you don't need to have children to understand responsibility. Because we were all children once, and we had parents who did right by us.


No offense, dude. I mean, you probablly thought it would be like Disney's Sky High. The super hero movie with Kurt russel...For whatever reason you probablly thought it was like that. So I give you the benefit of the doubt.

But honestly, you remind me of the parents who will buy their kid a game like Silent Hill or Resident Evil and then complain that there's blood. Buy them GTA and then blame the video game when the kid wants to buy a bb gun for his birthday or an air gun for christmas. You made a mistake, it's cool. Everyone makes mistakes. But in your responses you make it seem like you didn't do anything wrong and that NBC should have either edited the show or done something to stop your kids from seeing it.

I say YOU should be the censorship, watch a show before your kids see it. Read about the show first. Realize that if something is on prime time it is quite obviously for an older audience or else it would be an after school program. Have your kids watch Arthur and then put them to be at sunset, if you want them to be sheltered.

But don't complain about stuff that everyone else wants to see, and then act like the great parent who does nothing wrong. It amazes me that this thread even lasted so long, you made a silly mistake. Your kids are fine, their minds have not been tainted. So you did your job. Kudos. For turning in time. Good job for finding another show to watch. Whatever you did, it worked. BUT remember it ain't the show, and it isn't the channel. It's you.

[Silverstein]

That's why you screen it before you sit down with your kids. Don't assume it's one thing or another. Do your homework and decide what's appropriate...

That's honestly all that needs to be said about this. But I guess I'll read the rest of the thread anyway. It's not NBC's fault for not promoting that it's for an older audience, but at the same time, If I had kids I wouldn't just sit them in front of cartoon network either. Billy and Mandy is far more psychotic then a chick with healing powers.

[The Question]

No....you understand "what" my responsibility is. But You don't have a clue of the stress of carrying out that responsibility. Since this is something you know nothing about, you can sit this one out. Respectfully......:yay:

I can easily imagine. And I can tell you this: You have to right to blame the show or it's creators. It's your job to raise your kids how you want them to be raised. If you think a show is okay for them, but it turns out that, after seeing it, you don't think it is, then it is in no way the fault of the show or it's creators.

Ok as a fellow parent I understand and would never let my 9 year old watch it. In fact my 14 year old I make go to bed at 9 but I may purchase him the dvd's. I don't allow my children to watch R rated movies and no M rated games for my 9 year olds. My 14 year old is allowed to play most but not all M rated games. As a child's brain dvelops such material can only cause harm, anxiety and stress. Kids don't have the maturity to handle it. In fact I've watched part of the show with my eye's closed (autopsy scene) I approached this show like Lost and expected an adult show from the begining but I can see why you were fooled. Just throwing you some support as a parent =)

I think that's a bit of a generalization. Some kids are mature enough to handle certain things, while others aren't. There are some nine year olds who can deal with very mature concepts, and there are some seventeen year olds who have a hard time dealing with such concepts. Depends on the kid.

Of course, I'm not saying that you should change how you parent your kids, as you probably know what they can deal with better than I do. I'm just saying, not all kids are the same.

Interesting...

1) Heroes is not a Superhero show. It's good and critically acclaimed because it is NOT a superhero show, none of the conventions of comic books are followed. The only reason to look for superheroes in "Heroes" is blind assumption.

2) Parenting is a delicate art. Just because your kids don't turn out to be axe murders doesn't mean they're perfect, or that you couldn't have done a better job. When a person, especially a child is exposed to something for the first time, they make decisions about it. The more directly you control that exposure, the more directly you can pass on values. Street is bad, TV with you is okay, speaking to them directly is obviously the best way to share values, assuming you believe that's important.

While none of us are axe murders, psychology demonstrates that many of us form our opinions about sex, certain social situations and sometimes society at large through television. If you care about this issues, then obviously, you care about what your child watches on TV.

I think it's not fair to point fingers at parents who find that TV is overexposing their children. With an ever-loosening ratings system, parents with jobs just can't keep up with everything, much less preview every show. Of course it's not the Media's responsibility, but it is worth stating that it would be possible to monitor and control a child's viewing if Mass Media gave a crap. They don't. "It's the parents responsibility." and often, then, it becomes a parent's responsibility to turn off the TV, simply because Media has absolute zero concern with the development of the society that it portrays and supports it. It's like cutting down the rainforest-- saying "It's not their responsibility" doesn't redeem the disturbing and delporable levels of indifference involved.

That kind of indifference is what can allow a person to watch a person being beaten to death ten feet in front of them... while eating popcorn. Nod to the killer, walk home, watch the killing again on the news and go to sleep peacefully, dreaming about breakfast without even thinking of calling the police. If questioned the person can simply say "It wasn't my responsibility." They'd be right, wouldn't they?

It is the parent's responsibility to raise their kids. This is a responsibility that most parents shirk on some level or other, so you'll find it very hard to find support or empathy.... especially on a forum full of young people.

I'm sorry, but I really don't agree at all. Heroes is not targeted for little kids. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for someone's kids is that person doesn't want their kids to watch it, or the sort of stuff that's on it. And your watching someone get beaten to deal analogy doesn't really work, because it isn'tthe responsibility of the makers of the TV show. At least, not in this case.





Anyway, personally, I think kids shows these days are a bit too sugar coated. It's gotten to the point where the shows are treating the kids like idiots.

[celldog]

Ok as a fellow parent I understand and would never let my 9 year old watch it. In fact my 14 year old I make go to bed at 9 but I may purchase him the dvd's. I don't allow my children to watch R rated movies and no M rated games for my 9 year olds. My 14 year old is allowed to play most but not all M rated games. As a child's brain dvelops such material can only cause harm, anxiety and stress. Kids don't have the maturity to handle it. In fact I've watched part of the show with my eye's closed (autopsy scene) I approached this show like Lost and expected an adult show from the begining but I can see why you were fooled. Just throwing you some support as a parent =)


Wow...a voice of reason. Since this "marathon" came on earlier than 9 pm I thought I'd catch it with the young one. Whoops! Is all I can say.

Won't slip up again. Thanks for seeing this straight.:up:

[celldog]

Exactly. Right there at the beginning of the ep.


I didn't see those few seconds........

[celldog]

Interesting...

1) Heroes is not a Superhero show. It's good and critically acclaimed because it is NOT a superhero show, none of the conventions of comic books are followed. The only reason to look for superheroes in "Heroes" is blind assumption.

2) Parenting is a delicate art. Just because your kids don't turn out to be axe murders doesn't mean they're perfect, or that you couldn't have done a better job. When a person, especially a child is exposed to something for the first time, they make decisions about it. The more directly you control that exposure, the more directly you can pass on values. Street is bad, TV with you is okay, speaking to them directly is obviously the best way to share values, assuming you believe that's important.

While none of us are axe murders, psychology demonstrates that many of us form our opinions about sex, certain social situations and sometimes society at large through television. If you care about this issues, then obviously, you care about what your child watches on TV.

I think it's not fair to point fingers at parents who find that TV is overexposing their children. With an ever-loosening ratings system, parents with jobs just can't keep up with everything, much less preview every show. Of course it's not the Media's responsibility, but it is worth stating that it would be possible to monitor and control a child's viewing if Mass Media gave a crap. They don't. "It's the parents responsibility." and often, then, it becomes a parent's responsibility to turn off the TV, simply because Media has absolute zero concern with the development of the society that it portrays and supports it. It's like cutting down the rainforest-- saying "It's not their responsibility" doesn't redeem the disturbing and delporable levels of indifference involved.

That kind of indifference is what can allow a person to watch a person being beaten to death ten feet in front of them... while eating popcorn. Nod to the killer, walk home, watch the killing again on the news and go to sleep peacefully, dreaming about breakfast without even thinking of calling the police. If questioned the person can simply say "It wasn't my responsibility." They'd be right, wouldn't they?

It is the parent's responsibility to raise their kids. This is a responsibility that most parents shirk on some level or other, so you'll find it very hard to find support or empathy.... especially on a forum full of young people.


Good points

[celldog]

LMAO! So why did you have them awake at 9'o clok watching this show without having even checked it out yourself first?

And no you don't need to have children to understand responsibility. Because we were all children once, and we had parents who did right by us.


No offense, dude. I mean, you probablly thought it would be like Disney's Sky High. The super hero movie with Kurt russel...For whatever reason you probablly thought it was like that. So I give you the benefit of the doubt.

But honestly, you remind me of the parents who will buy their kid a game like Silent Hill or Resident Evil and then complain that there's blood. Buy them GTA and then blame the video game when the kid wants to buy a bb gun for his birthday or an air gun for christmas. You made a mistake, it's cool. Everyone makes mistakes. But in your responses you make it seem like you didn't do anything wrong and that NBC should have either edited the show or done something to stop your kids from seeing it.

I say YOU should be the censorship, watch a show before your kids see it. Read about the show first. Realize that if something is on prime time it is quite obviously for an older audience or else it would be an after school program. Have your kids watch Arthur and then put them to be at sunset, if you want them to be sheltered.

But don't complain about stuff that everyone else wants to see, and then act like the great parent who does nothing wrong. It amazes me that this thread even lasted so long, you made a silly mistake. Your kids are fine, their minds have not been tainted. So you did your job. Kudos. For turning in time. Good job for finding another show to watch. Whatever you did, it worked. BUT remember it ain't the show, and it isn't the channel. It's you.




Can't you read?????????? The marathon started earlier than 9!!!! :cmad:

So No!!! I didn't have her up at 9!! As a matter of fact, I turn the thing off after it just got ridiculous!

Just curious...you have any small children?? You seem to have it all figured out.

[celldog]

I can easily imagine. And I can tell you this: You have to right to blame the show or it's creators. It's your job to raise your kids how you want them to be raised. If you think a show is okay for them, but it turns out that, after seeing it, you don't think it is, then it is in no way the fault of the show or it's creators.



I think that's a bit of a generalization. Some kids are mature enough to handle certain things, while others aren't. There are some nine year olds who can deal with very mature concepts, and there are some seventeen year olds who have a hard time dealing with such concepts. Depends on the kid.

Of course, I'm not saying that you should change how you parent your kids, as you probably know what they can deal with better than I do. I'm just saying, not all kids are the same.



I'm sorry, but I really don't agree at all. Heroes is not targeted for little kids. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for someone's kids is that person doesn't want their kids to watch it, or the sort of stuff that's on it. And your watching someone get beaten to deal analogy doesn't really work, because it isn'tthe responsibility of the makers of the TV show. At least, not in this case.





Anyway, personally, I think kids shows these days are a bit too sugar coated. It's gotten to the point where the shows are treating the kids like idiots.


You know what?? I knew you couldn't keep your mouth shut even when you don't get it. Ten years from now when you're a grown man paying your own way and raising children in a "do what you feel" world, I hope you remember this little thread.....because only then will you be able to see. GL1 really hit on something. We can't be "all-knowing" or "ever-present" as parents! But you wouldn't know that. You do the best you can in world that fights against you.

[xwolverine2]

this is why you wear condoms......


lol i kid i kid

[Mandi-chan]

LMAO! So why did you have them awake at 9'o clok watching this show without having even checked it out yourself first?

And no you don't need to have children to understand responsibility. Because we were all children once, and we had parents who did right by us.


No offense, dude. I mean, you probablly thought it would be like Disney's Sky High. The super hero movie with Kurt russel...For whatever reason you probablly thought it was like that. So I give you the benefit of the doubt.

But honestly, you remind me of the parents who will buy their kid a game like Silent Hill or Resident Evil and then complain that there's blood. Buy them GTA and then blame the video game when the kid wants to buy a bb gun for his birthday or an air gun for christmas. You made a mistake, it's cool. Everyone makes mistakes. But in your responses you make it seem like you didn't do anything wrong and that NBC should have either edited the show or done something to stop your kids from seeing it.

I say YOU should be the censorship, watch a show before your kids see it. Read about the show first. Realize that if something is on prime time it is quite obviously for an older audience or else it would be an after school program. Have your kids watch Arthur and then put them to be at sunset, if you want them to be sheltered.

But don't complain about stuff that everyone else wants to see, and then act like the great parent who does nothing wrong. It amazes me that this thread even lasted so long, you made a silly mistake. Your kids are fine, their minds have not been tainted. So you did your job. Kudos. For turning in time. Good job for finding another show to watch. Whatever you did, it worked. BUT remember it ain't the show, and it isn't the channel. It's you.

I totally agree with you.

It's the parent's resonsibility to screen a show like Heroes first before letting your kids watch it.

The way I see it, any show that airs after 5pm should be screened first if your thinking of letting your kids watch it. That's what I would do.

I started watching Buffy when it was in it's third season ( I was 13 years old then). My parents wouldn't let me watch the show until season 3, once I was 13 they felt it would be okay to watch it...but I would watch it with them, and if an upcoming episode looked or sounded inappropriate or disturbing they wouldn't let me watch it.

Heck, they wouldn't let me watch Angel for a couple of seasons.

The point is, they were responsible about what I was watching...and I was 13!

The original poster's comments bother me because it comes across to me as them letting their children watch primetime shows (it doesn't matter that you were watching a marathon...it's well promoted when the show normally airs, at 9pm! Not a kiddie hour, not a kiddie show.)...then complaining because the content of the episodes were inappropriate for the kids.

It's not the network's fault you let your kids watch a night-time show.

Plus, there are tv ratings for the show (I think they're even listed in the tv guides too, so you can't say you never saw them).

I'm not telling you how to raise your kids, but don't come on here complaining about the contents of a show that you let your kids watch because you didn't pay attention to who the geared audience was!

[Mixairian]

this is why you wear condoms......


lol i kid i kid

I was going to do a lot of quotes and have some mature responses towards the harsh feelings going in this thread but I read this and all that went out the window.

When I stop laughing, maybe I can type something of value. :)

[xwolverine2]

I was going to do a lot of quotes and have some mature responses towards the harsh feelings going in this thread but I read this and all that went out the window.

When I stop laughing, maybe I can type something of value. :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Qy03kC5iQU

[The Question]

You know what?? I knew you couldn't keep your mouth shut even when you don't get it. Ten years from now when you're a grown man paying your own way and raising children in a "do what you feel" world, I hope you remember this little thread.....because only then will you be able to see. GL1 really hit on something. We can't be "all-knowing" or "ever-present" as parents! But you wouldn't know that. You do the best you can in world that fights against you.

I get it. I just think you're wrong. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for your kids if you don't want them to watch that sort of thing. The show is even rated "TV-14." As in, "if your kid's under fourteen, you might not want them to watch this." I'm not saying your a bad parent and I'm not even telling you how you should parent. I'm just saying, don't place blame when there's no blame to place.


Also, I know it was on before nine, but it was a marathon of a show that is usually on nine, on a channel (Sci-Fi) that usually shows rather mature programing during the day.

[Mixairian]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Qy03kC5iQU
Awesome. I'm speechless.

[celldog]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Qy03kC5iQU



That was funny. LOL

But you still don't get it.

[Green Lantern]

It wasn't advertised like that either. Don't make stuff up. No lap dances were in those commercials.You don't screen the RATINGS before deciding whether the kids can watch? Its TV-14, meaning for 14 and UP. It may not be advertising that its edgy, but its not hiding it either. Its not like its rated G or Y-7. They have ratings for specifically this reason, and because people complained enough to get them. Use them.

[3 Dev Adam]

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........


Yeah, just like in real life.

In real life people strip, have sex, prostitute, get raped, die and get autopsied. Not necessarily in that order.

[celldog]

Yeah, just like in real life.

In real life people strip, have sex, prostitute, get raped, die and get autopsied. Not necessarily in that order.


Wow...:csad: I didn't know that. Thanks for the education.

[3 Dev Adam]

No worries. If you can't watch it with your kids, let your kids watch it by themselves. I guess they'll manage the violence & sex better than you.

[ragdus]

I think the discussion was over at:

I get it. I just think you're wrong. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for your kids if you don't want them to watch that sort of thing. The show is even rated "TV-14." As in, "if your kid's under fourteen, you might not want them to watch this."




If you sit your kids, who are under 14, in front of a TV to watch a show rated TV-14 and you haven't prescreened it, then anything objectionable that they witness is out of the control of the network and show producers. Every show gives it's rating at the start, and using your cable/satellite box's info menu will tell you this also. They've done all they can do.

[RockSP]

you've got Nathan, who pretty much is depicted as what an ideal politician would be like: knows the difference between right and wrong, and jumps from one side to the other depending on whatever is the best solution for any given problem. yes, he has done some pretty questionable stuff, but it's always for the greater good

:huh: You must have powers yourself. Futuresight, maybe? So far Nathan is nothing like that...

[Mixairian]

I get it. I just think you're wrong. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for your kids if you don't want them to watch that sort of thing. The show is even rated "TV-14." As in, "if your kid's under fourteen, you might not want them to watch this." I'm not saying your a bad parent and I'm not even telling you how you should parent. I'm just saying, don't place blame when there's no blame to place.


Also, I know it was on before nine, but it was a marathon of a show that is usually on nine, on a channel (Sci-Fi) that usually shows rather mature programing during the day.

It's because of The Question, I've not bothered to try to add anything of value to this thread.

He summed it up pretty well.

The others can argue all they want about what's "good parenting", exposure versus censoring, but in the end it's the parents job to regulate what they're kids witness.

Placing blame or responsibility on networks and such is saying: "I'm not a good enough parent by myself, I want you to do part of the job for me." And that is a very dangerous stance to take.

Though I'm curious about one thing. The show had been out a few weeks before celldog sat down with his kids to watch it. I'm under the impression a lot of the hype is what made him decide to sit down and view it with his kids. That having been said, didn't you see all the topics where we've discussed on surprising graphic something was? I mean the words stripper, severed head, eaten brains, autopsy table and date rape were tossed around quite a bit.

[The Squirrel]

:cmad: Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!! :cmad:

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip. :csad:

Then don't. Just watch it with your wife. Or by yourself.

[GL1]

I'm sorry, but I really don't agree at all. Heroes is not targeted for little kids. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for someone's kids is that person doesn't want their kids to watch it, or the sort of stuff that's on it. And your watching someone get beaten to deal analogy doesn't really work, because it isn'tthe responsibility of the makers of the TV show. At least, not in this case.

Yes, actually, you do agree. I stated multiple times that the makers of the show are not responsible. Furthermore, an observer of a crime is not "responsible" for that crime, neither are they responsible for reporting it, and they are DEFINITELY not responsible for interfering. We agree that it is not the media's responsibility.

What we disagree on is what that means for parents, and, by extension, for society at large. Take this, just for an example:

They've done all they can do.

"It's not their responsibility" thinking, leads us to turn "They've done all they are required by law to do," into "they've done all they can do." The indifferent parties go from morally exempt to morally positive by, apparently, magic. Incredible stuff here.

To me, at least, it's not about blaming individuals, but it's about recognizing a degenerating pattern falling upon parents who don't realizing how much time parenting requires. And then, stating it on a forum composed of people who generally don't understand how important parenting is and feel that if a parent gets surprised, then they are to blame... or that if a parent feels that their child is too young for drunken sex orgies, then it's a personal problem.

So listening to a song about suicide over and over greatens my chance of committing suicide, even if I was not previously inclined to do so?

Awwww...

The appearance that you think there's a lottery for suicide and that your "chances" increase if you hit some magic number is hilarious. Before I actually respond, I have to verify: do you know the difference between "influence" and "control." If not, I'd rather not waste time trying to explain the concept of influence to someone who does not know the difference.

[Silverstein]

I totally agree with you.

It's the parent's resonsibility to screen a show like Heroes first before letting your kids watch it.

The way I see it, any show that airs after 5pm should be screened first if your thinking of letting your kids watch it. That's what I would do.

I started watching Buffy when it was in it's third season ( I was 13 years old then). My parents wouldn't let me watch the show until season 3, once I was 13 they felt it would be okay to watch it...but I would watch it with them, and if an upcoming episode looked or sounded inappropriate or disturbing they wouldn't let me watch it.

Heck, they wouldn't let me watch Angel for a couple of seasons.

The point is, they were responsible about what I was watching...and I was 13!

The original poster's comments bother me because it comes across to me as them letting their children watch primetime shows (it doesn't matter that you were watching a marathon...it's well promoted when the show normally airs, at 9pm! Not a kiddie hour, not a kiddie show.)...then complaining because the content of the episodes were inappropriate for the kids.

It's not the network's fault you let your kids watch a night-time show.

Plus, there are tv ratings for the show (I think they're even listed in the tv guides too, so you can't say you never saw them).

I'm not telling you how to raise your kids, but don't come on here complaining about the contents of a show that you let your kids watch because you didn't pay attention to who the geared audience was!

Word, for word, EXACTLY.

[Silverstein]

Can't you read?????????? The marathon started earlier than 9!!!! :cmad:

So No!!! I didn't have her up at 9!! As a matter of fact, I turn the thing off after it just got ridiculous!

Just curious...you have any small children?? You seem to have it all figured out.

Just curious....do you have a brain? It's called read about it. It's called answers.com, tvguide.com, tv.com, wikipedia.com...You can find out all about a show before you're sweet small children's eyes lay upon it. And PLEASE, stop preaching this crap about having children or not. Obviously having children didn't give you the answers because you were still a dumb ****, and saw a show without knowing about it and had the nerve to get upset with it's content.

No one's judging your parenting...But maybe we should. Why don't you go buy them Resident Evil and then complain about blood, killing and a theme of guns and violence? No! No, see, that couldn't work because if you did by them the game, you'd also want it to be censored for everyone, huh?

Do you let them listen to Howard Stern, never having listened before? And then blame him if the show is vulgar?

Even my professors at school think you're stupid. And they all have "small" children. So by your own standards, I guess they qualify to tell you that, right?

Dumbass.

[Silverstein]

And I agree with The Question...Like someone said, it pretty much ended with his posts. I do, however, love how celldog wants to do everything but take responsibility for making a mistake.

You're a parent. But you love comics and heroes, right? So take a tip from spider-man.

With great power, there must also come great responsibility.

[Mandi-chan]

And I agree with The Question...Like someone said, it pretty much ended with his posts. I do, however, love how celldog wants to do everything but take responsibility for making a mistake.

You're a parent. But you love comics and heroes, right? So take a tip from spider-man.

With great power, there must also come great responsibility.

Again, I totally agree.

Excellent choice of words!

[GL1]

Just curious....do you have a brain? It's called read about it. It's called answers.com, tvguide.com, tv.com, wikipedia.com...You can find out all about a show before you're sweet small children's eyes lay upon it. And PLEASE, stop preaching this crap about having children or not. Obviously having children didn't give you the answers because you were still a dumb ****, and saw a show without knowing about it and had the nerve to get upset with it's content.

No one's judging your parenting...But maybe we should. Why don't you go buy them Resident Evil and then complain about blood, killing and a theme of guns and violence? No! No, see, that couldn't work because if you did by them the game, you'd also want it to be censored for everyone, huh?

Do you let them listen to Howard Stern, never having listened before? And then blame him if the show is vulgar?

Even my professors at school think you're stupid. And they all have "small" children. So by your own standards, I guess they qualify to tell you that, right?

Dumbass.

Impudence.

You insult and then use incorrect analogies. No one wikipedias every show they watch. Typically the "before 9" rule works, this parent finds it suddenly doesn't work and commented on it. Do you wiki everything you watch? Would you be surprised to see a sex scene on at 6PM on network TV? This person was. That's not being stupid, that's being surprised.

We all know the content of Howard Stern and Resident Evil, not because of their ratings, but because we know what they're about. Heroes has no such reputation. For someone to come on this thread and insult a parent who doesn't run to the computer every half hour to see what's coming on is ludicris. And calling anyone who looks away from the TV for the split second they show the rating a "dumbass" is simply rediculous.

See that, I can tell you you're wrong without calling you any names.

The Question, as usual, makes excellent points, but he doesn't deal with the problem. He simply says "Parent's fault, not my responsibility," and continues on his merry way. I already illustrated the problem with that.

[Green Lantern]

Impudence.

You insult and then use incorrect analogies. No one wikipedias every show they watch. Typically the "before 9" rule works, this parent finds it suddenly doesn't work and commented on it. Do you wiki everything you watch? Would you be surprised to see a sex scene on at 6PM on network TV? This person was. That's not being stupid, that's being surprised.

We all know the content of Howard Stern and Resident Evil, not because of their ratings, but because we know what they're about. Heroes has no such reputation. For someone to come on this thread and insult a parent who doesn't run to the computer every half hour to see what's coming on is ludicris. And calling anyone who looks away from the TV for the split second they show the rating a "dumbass" is simply rediculous.

See that, I can tell you you're wrong without calling you any names.

The Question, as usual, makes excellent points, but he doesn't deal with the problem. He simply says "Parent's fault, not my responsibility," and continues on his merry way. I already illustrated the problem with that.If it was rated Y-7 or G yes, I'd be appalled. The fact that it was on a show that is rated TV-14 means that sort of thing is to be expected.

[AcidTWister]

They are going to learn it from me....not from the TV or the movies or friends. And ONLY when I (the parent) think they are ready. Why are we throwing all of this gore and sex at them so early??

How, exactly, do you plan on keeping them from learning it from their friends? Do you intend on keeping them homeschooled, ruining any chance they have at learning social skills? Do you intend on allowing them to go to school, where they WILL learn about it (they teach it in the fifth grade last I knew, and that was nearly 20 years ago) from the teachers at the very least?

The thing about friends is this. You either:
don't allow your children to go to other people's houses.
don't allow them to speak to anyone in school, and whenever someone talks to them, to cover their ears.

My mother was extremely overprotective, just like you. And because of that, I learned about certain things from people at school, DURING SCHOOL. In fact, even though I had heard of the subject, I didn't know what it was or what it was for... but turned out the assistant principle's son who just happened to be in my class, hadn't even HEARD of such an act... until some kids from our class did him the pleasure of explaining it to him, in VERY explicit detail.

Then there's porn. Your worst enemy, I imagine. I saw my first one when I hit 10, or so, thanks to the kids across the street who asked me, one day, while playing outside "Hey, you gotta come check out this video I found in my dad's closet." Again, nothing my mother could do about it.

So unless you intend on keeping your kids extremely sheltered by never letting them leave the house, let alone your sight, they will learn about it. And telling them it's wrong, without telling them WHY it's wrong, will only encourage them to see it for themselves when someone else offers. It's simple child psychology, which I happen to be a major in.

[Killgore]

How, exactly, do you plan on keeping them from learning it from their friends? Do you intend on keeping them homeschooled, ruining any chance they have at learning social skills? Do you intend on allowing them to go to school, where they WILL learn about it (they teach it in the fifth grade last I knew, and that was nearly 20 years ago) from the teachers at the very least?
So every child that attends public school is socially adept? That's quite an assumption. I went to public school and knew many socially akward kids, and I know dozens of home school kids who are quite social.

[The Question]

The Question, as usual, makes excellent points, but he doesn't deal with the problem. He simply says "Parent's fault, not my responsibility," and continues on his merry way. I already illustrated the problem with that.

There is no problem with that. Because it isn't anyone's fault, and especially not the makers of the TV show. They want to make the show they want to makre. They don't market it towards little kids, and they have the Y-14 warning so parents will know that they might not want their kids to see it. It is the responsibility of the parent to make sure that their kids don't see things they don't want them to see.

[Silverstein]

GL1, I'm not saying he's an idiot for protecting his children or whatever. I'm saying he's an idiot for not taking responsibility. And to answer your question, YES.

Yes, I would go on the internet and research what the show is about for EVERY show, if I was trying to be over protective of someone. Hell I do that with my mom sometimes. We have tv time together, and she doesn't like cursing and over-violent things. So I try to find action shows and stuff that we both would like. While making sure that there's nothing too extreme. She likes Inuyasha. Guess what, I saw over 150 episodes before I even showed her the series. With Naruto, I was up to episode 33 when I showed it to her.


GL1, it's common sense. If a show is on a marathon, then that means you can watch the marathon by YOURSELF to get a feel for the show and then come back, and watch it with your kids on the regular timing.

Celldog doesn't have to watch it with his kids. That's fine. And like I said, kudos to him for making the parent decision to turn the chanel. Whatever. BUT, the fact is that it's not the channel's fault. He has still not admitted that. It's not the show's fault.

[ragdus]

So every child that attends public school is socially adept? That's quite an assumption. I went to public school and knew many socially akward kids, and I know dozens of home school kids who are quite social.

Way to twist his words. If you can show me where he actually said that was the case I'll PayPal you $50.

What he did say was that not going to public schools ruins any chance of learning social skills, not that it GUARANTEES them those skills.

I don't agree with the assertion homeschoolers lack social adeptness, but I also disagree with your severe twisting of what he was explicitly stating.

[Killgore]

How, exactly, do you plan on keeping them from learning it from their friends? Do you intend on keeping them homeschooled, ruining any chance they have at learning social skills? Do you intend on allowing them to go to school, where they WILL learn about it (they teach it in the fifth grade last I knew, and that was nearly 20 years ago) from the teachers at the very least?

The thing about friends is this. You either:
don't allow your children to go to other people's houses.
don't allow them to speak to anyone in school, and whenever someone talks to them, to cover their ears.

My mother was extremely overprotective, just like you. And because of that, I learned about certain things from people at school, DURING SCHOOL. In fact, even though I had heard of the subject, I didn't know what it was or what it was for... but turned out the assistant principle's son who just happened to be in my class, hadn't even HEARD of such an act... until some kids from our class did him the pleasure of explaining it to him, in VERY explicit detail.

Then there's porn. Your worst enemy, I imagine. I saw my first one when I hit 10, or so, thanks to the kids across the street who asked me, one day, while playing outside "Hey, you gotta come check out this video I found in my dad's closet." Again, nothing my mother could do about it.

So unless you intend on keeping your kids extremely sheltered by never letting them leave the house, let alone your sight, they will learn about it. And telling them it's wrong, without telling them WHY it's wrong, will only encourage them to see it for themselves when someone else offers. It's simple child psychology, which I happen to be a major in.

Yep. It's right there. And he isn't explicit, as he is implying that homeschoolers cannot learn social skills. In fact he is guaranteeing that homeschoolers cannot learn social skills by saying "any chance".

I'll PM you my PayPall account. That was an easy $50.

[Brainiac 8]

I understand, my wife and I don't watch it until our daughter is in bed.

We allow her to watch Smallville with us, but this one is a parents only show.

[Mysterio]

:cmad: Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!! :cmad:

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip. :csad:you do what you gotta do. good for you.

[pyromaniac]

Celldog doesn't have to watch it with his kids. That's fine. And like I said, kudos to him for making the parent decision to turn the chanel. Whatever. BUT, the fact is that it's not the channel's fault. He has still not admitted that. It's not the show's fault.

And we wonder why parents still blame society's ills on violent video games and mature cinematic content.

[ragdus]

Yep. It's right there. And he isn't explicit, as he is implying that homeschoolers cannot learn social skills. In fact he is guaranteeing that homeschoolers cannot learn social skills by saying "any chance".

I'll PM you my PayPall account. That was an easy $50.

Um, no. Read my reply again. He did in fact say homeschoolers don't have a chance. He DID NOT say that everyone who goes to public school is "socially adept". You lose.