Blast From the Past: The Bush Years on the Hype!

[Joker]

You really couldn't be ANY more wrong. Go back and re-read the Act, that is if you can understand just what it is you are reading.

For arguments sake, lets say this act really is just as evil as you think. Ok so the govt is listening to your phone calls. What exactly are you afraid of? What is it you have to hide? Do you honestly think the govt gives two *****s about your conversation if it has nothing to do with national security? Come on man, grow up.

Read 1984, Brave New World, etc. Watch Equilibrium. Listen to Nine Inch Nails new album. Then read the patriot act, and tell me that it doesnt seem like a hell of a good first step towards any of those possible futures to you. And dont give me any of that "what are you hiding!?!!" BS, because that's NOT the point, you little drone. The point is that if the administration wanted to take the "next step" in protecting us, they could now easily go over everyones library records and arrest anyone who's checkd out anything that goes against the current doctrine. Is it likely they will go this far? No, at least not yet. I think it'll take another big attack (or you know, a manufactured one) to get them to go that far. But really, with what we're doing in the middle east right now (read pissing everyone off and acting like we're the cavalry in some western when really these people see us as satan) I dont think another attack is really that far off. So you can go right ahead and live in your little fantasty world where the government is always right and america is always the good guy and everything is all roses and unicorns, but some of us preffer the real world.

[ProjectPat2280]

Read 1984, Brave New World, etc. Watch Equilibrium. Listen to Nine Inch Nails new album. Then read the patriot act, and tell me that it doesnt seem like a hell of a good first step towards any of those possible futures to you. And dont give me any of that "what are you hiding!?!!" BS, because that's NOT the point, you little drone. The point is that if the administration wanted to take the "next step" in protecting us, they could now easily go over everyones library records and arrest anyone who's checkd out anything that goes against the current doctrine. Is it likely they will go this far? No, at least not yet. I think it'll take another big attack (or you know, a manufactured one) to get them to go that far. But really, with what we're doing in the middle east right now (read pissing everyone off and acting like we're the cavalry in some western when really these people see us as satan) I dont think another attack is really that far off. So you can go right ahead and live in your little fantasty world where the government is always right and america is always the good guy and everything is all roses and unicorns, but some of us preffer the real world.

Ok, so your argument is for me to listen to Nine Inch Nails and read a book of FICTION??? Wow, thats uh, thats a good one:whatever: . Look i know how the Patriot Act "could" sound to someone as paranoid as you, but I'm just not that worried, because there is NO reason to be. I mean, if America is so bad and evil, leave. You don't have to stay here. I hear Egypt is nice this time of yr :up:

[jaguarr]

Can I poke it? :o :csad:

I suppose. But wear gloves and use this:

http://demo.physics.uiuc.edu/LectDemo/descript/251/PIC00026b.jpg

jag

[Joker]

Ok, so your argument is for me to listen to Nine Inch Nails and read a book of FICTION??? Wow, thats uh, thats a good one:whatever: . Look i know how the Patriot Act "could" sound to someone as paranoid as you, but I'm just not that worried, because there is NO reason to be. I mean, if America is so bad and evil, leave. You don't have to stay here. I hear Egypt is nice this time of yr :up:

The best fiction reflects the real world. You seem to never have read anything with any social bearing though, so you probably don't understand this concept. In fact, I guess you probably dont read anything beyond Tom Clancy novels and the wonderful books of guys like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reily. And the whole "love it or leave it" argument is for retards. I love America. I love what it stands for, and I love what it has the potential to be. But when you put corrupt a**holes into power, ala the current regime, I don't love the government. Even Thomas Jefferson said that he felt every few hundered years there needed to be a revolution against the government, as freedom and democracy both come from the blood of dead heroes and tyrants alike (to paraphrase).

[ProjectPat2280]

The best fiction reflects the real world. You seem to never have read anything with any social bearing though, so you probably don't understand this concept. In fact, I guess you probably dont read anything beyond Tom Clancy novels and the wonderful books of guys like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reily. And the whole "love it or leave it" argument is for retards. I love America. I love what it stands for, and I love what it has the potential to be. But when you put corrupt a**holes into power, ala the current regime, I don't love the government. Even Thomas Jefferson said that he felt every few hundered years there needed to be a revolution against the government, as freedom and democracy both come from the blood of dead heroes and tyrants alike (to paraphrase).

Well i can give you some credit. Look i do not think this govt is perfect, far from it, however, i am not going to waste my time running around like a chicken with its head cut off screaming about a governmental take over. Do i think we should all just close our eyes to the govts dealings? No, but dont assume that everything the govt does that you disagree with is going to equal a no-freedom society. Also you have ZERO evidence to support your "corrupt regime" statement, but nice try, i guess? Now, im off to see the new Pirates movie, you think you guys will be able to function while im gone?

[Joker]

There's plenty of evidence. The topic of this thread is evidence. Bush's stance against regulating oil price gouging is evidence. The Patriot Act itself is evidence. But you seemingly are too blind to see what's right in front of you, and choose instead to call those of us who do see it, and think that this is the wrong path to be going down if we want to maintain a free society "conspiracy nuts" or "paranoid." Well, some people like that might be paranoid, hell they probably are. But just because you're paranoid doesnt mean they're not after you.

[Abaddon]

The Emperor is naked and some people still don't see it.

[Sandman138]

You really couldn't be ANY more wrong. Go back and re-read the Act, that is if you can understand just what it is you are reading.

For arguments sake, lets say this act really is just as evil as you think. Ok so the govt is listening to your phone calls. What exactly are you afraid of? What is it you have to hide? Do you honestly think the govt gives two *****s about your conversation if it has nothing to do with national security? Come on man, grow up.

* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

* Fifth Amendment – Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property.

No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

* Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and other rights of the accused.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

[The Overlord]

HAHA! Wow, just wow. I mean the worst part of all that, is I'm afraid you actually believe that. HAHA! I mean, i cant stop laughing, you actually think Bush and Saddam are equals, hahahahaha. Please, hahahahahaha. Ok. Ok i think I'm under control, wait no, hahahahahaha.

I'm not sure what country you live in, but our freedoms haven't gone anywhere. Now, as young uneducated individual like yourself, you are probably pissed that your last underage drinking party got busted so you whine and ***** at how "the man" is all about ruining your fun. based on your little rant, it seems to me that you really dislike the government. You hate how some of our freedoms are being "taken away" (which they are not, you're just looking for an excuse) so why would YOU want an individual who wants more government control(ie Obama and Clinton)??? I don't think Bush is perfect, hell far from it. I also dont think the Republicans have done everything the way they should have, i mean damn, they are spending money like crazy, but if you want to form a real argument, the comparison of Bush to Nazis or Saddam just doesn't fly. All it does is prove that you're a moron. Any way, I'm not gonna really get into a deep argument about this because you aren't intelligent enough to form a complete argument. That might not be totally your fault, so i don't blame you too much.


Comparing Bush to Hitler or Saddam is unfair, but let's use a fair example, Bush is this century's Czar Nicholas II, an arrogant and foolish who was given power because of what family he was born into, rather than ability (if think Bush would have been able to become President if he wasn't born into a rich famnily with a lot of political power, you are naive.) Both Bush and Nicholas II brought their countries into poorly planned wars that ended up being disasters for their countries.

Its ironic, republicans claim to support small government, yet they have increased the scope and power of the government more than any previous admin, they claim to fiscally responsiblity, yet this admin spends like a drunk sailor and they claim to support accountable government, yet they are mired in corruption scandals. What do they stand for?

[PhotoJones]

*looks around*

Hmm....still no Celldog, StorminNorman or Lazur....

[JediRocks]

Do you approve or disapprove of President Bush's job?

[Jack Rabbit]

http://firstrung.co.uk/dbimgs/iStock_can%20of%20worms.jpg

[Kmack]

Strongly disapprove:down

[JP]

I like worms. Yum.


:dry:

[Eddie Brock]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Me? Approving Bush?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[PhotoJones]

Boy I wonder what the outcome of this poll will be. :whatever:

[JP]

Boy I wonder what the outcome of this poll will be. :whatever:

Lets wait and see. :ninja:

[Downhere]

Is this thread really needed? Just by reading most of the political topics in the community forum, you can predict that 90+% of the people who frequent here are going to say they disapprove. :dry:

[Hobgoblin]

Not a fan.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hope he dies. Uh oh...should I say that, will Bush sick the CIA on my ass?

[PhotoJones]

Lets wait and see. :ninja:

For what? To see how many people respond and overwhelming pick "Strongly Disapprove"?

[JP]

For what? To see how many people respond and overwhelming pick "Strongly Disapprove"?

Sarcasm always gets lost in translation.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Is this thread really needed? Just by reading most of the political topics in the community forum, you can predict that 90+% of the people who frequent here are going to say they disapprove. :dry:It's as pointless a poll as "Which is your favorite Star Wars movie?"
:o

[Ghostvirus]

I would answer this poll, but I need to go to a wait watchers convention, & see how many people like to eat.:dry:

[The Chairman]

Gee, I wonder what the results will be.

[rdh007]

It's as pointless a poll as "Which is your favorite Star Wars movie?"
:o

Maybe moreso, if only because that will a) engender thoughtful debate and b) there are actually other sides to consider.

[Mr Sparkle]

Do you approve or disapprove of President Bush's job?

oh NOES what have you done???!!! (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1764124/)

[Arkady Rossovich]

I cant believe anyone would approve of what he has done.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

He's not worthy of my approval.:O

[kane9321]

bush is scum

[Rezzo]

He needs to be sniped... :ninja:

[Green Goblin 1964]

Strongly disapprove that lil HOoKA!

[psychocheeseman]

its awesome, alway good to have something that even people you don't agree with , agree with.

[Spider-Bite]

I meant to vote strongly disaprove, but I accidentally voted somewhat disaprove.

[Mephistopheles]

http://i17.tinypic.com/54l4e2d.jpg

[XtromaniaK]

I voted somewhat disapprove. The poll choices aren't that great. It's either: "WOOHAW!! BUSH RULES!", "Bush is doing a decent job", "Meh x2.", or "BUSH SUCKS! BATH IN HIS BLOOD!" I'd vote somewhere between the last two if there was an option for it.

[incubat]

how could anyone?

[hippie_hunter]

I disapprove, but I put down somewhat. It's not like he's the WORST President ever and he has done a few good things (like expanding the manned space program). His biggest fault is his ego and stubborness.

[Kritish]

God damnit, I clicked strongly approve instead of strongly disapprove. I feel dirty, but whoever clicks strongly approve on purpose is going to be IP banned.

[Memphis Slim]

Wow.... what a big surprise!! Bush does poorly on the Hype Boards!! I never would have guessed this would happen!! :whatever:



I disapprove of his amnesty bill for illegal aliens. He's really lost me on that issue.

[The Dude]

God damnit, I clicked strongly approve instead of strongly disapprove. I feel dirty, but whoever clicks strongly approve on purpose is going to be IP banned.


I was going to say. I was like "WHO THE HELL PUT STRONGLY APPROVE?"

[Alexia Dark]

God damnit, I clicked strongly approve instead of strongly disapprove. I feel dirty, but whoever clicks strongly approve on purpose is going to be IP banned.

HaHaHaHaHa

:o

Sorry :dry: .

[Rorschach II]

Two words: PATRIOT. ACT.

[Mattchew]

I guess I still strongly disprove, but slightly less now that I know that Chaney destroying his records ISNT a big deal since he claims he's not part of the executive branch.... as the vice president... WAIT A SECOND?!?!?!

[incubat]

God damnit, I clicked strongly approve instead of strongly disapprove. I feel dirty, but whoever clicks strongly approve on purpose is going to be IP banned.

thank god...:trans:

[gap5ewl]

wow what a tough question :whatever:

STRONGLY STRONGLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYY DISAPPROVE. One of the worst presidents in modern history.

[Superman]

http://home.comcast.net/~wizardofwhimsy/madcowboydisease.jpg

[Deep Thinkin'!]

This question has been answered so much on this forum.... :ignores thread:

[The Dark Defender]

I approve of him less than any other politician (or probably any other 10 politicians) in the history of America.

[The Dark Defender]

God damnit, I clicked strongly approve instead of strongly disapprove. I feel dirty, but whoever clicks strongly approve on purpose is going to be IP banned.

I was wondering how the hell anybody could've actually picked that.

[Darth Elektra]

I Strongly disapprove!

[uchiha_itachi]

not american so i duno if its relevant, but i dissaprove as much as possible. a panda would be a better president.

[Green Goblin 1964]

not american so i duno if its relevant, but i dissaprove as much as possible. a panda would be a better president.
I can picture it now.....
http://folk.ntnu.no/kleve/bilder/rektor.jpg

[Downhere]

I was wondering how the hell anybody could've actually picked that.

I don't think anyone would strongly approve with any president as there will always be something you disagree with.

[Green Goblin 1964]

BUSH MAKE BABY CRY!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/baby2.jpg

[uchiha_itachi]

I can picture it now.....
http://folk.ntnu.no/kleve/bilder/rektor.jpg

LOL youve earned points in my book for posting that :D pandas rule

[Green Goblin 1964]

LOL youve earned points in my book for posting that :D pandas ruleI got a picture for everything...:woot:

[uchiha_itachi]

BUSH MAKE BABY CRY!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/baby2.jpg

the worst thing is if you look at bushes eye you see no intelligence what so ever. but if you look at that baby you know its smarter than bush..

[uchiha_itachi]

I got a picture for everything...:woot:
a theory i might put to test lol

[Green Goblin 1964]

the worst thing is if you look at bushes eye you see no intelligence what so ever. but if you look at that baby you know its smarter than bush..LMAO!:up:

[Super Kal]

I'm still on the fence

[Green Goblin 1964]

I'm still on the fenceVOTE DISApprove....or you'll make Bush happy...we don't want him happy:cmad:
http://www.evangelicalright.com/bush_evil.jpg

[MaskedManJRK]

You know, I think that even if I somehow approved of all his stupid, un-American acts as President, after that bird-s**t incident, I would hate him anyway.

Anyone who would wipe off freshly made bird-s**t with his open palm deserves to be slapped.

[Green Goblin 1964]

You know, I think that even if I somehow approved of all his stupid, un-American acts as President, after that bird-s**t incident, I would hate him anyway.

Anyone who would wipe off freshly made bird-s**t with his open palm deserves to be slapped.LOL!

[XtromaniaK]

the worst thing is if you look at bushes eye you see no intelligence what so ever. but if you look at that baby you know its smarter than bush..

Though I don't like Bush, that joke was unquestionably lame. :o

[Arkady Rossovich]

Even after all this time,there are some who still support Bush?Even one who strongly supports him?How insane can you be?

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u227/smeier76/Miserable-Failure---Dar-Al-.jpg

[XtromaniaK]

Even after all this time,there are some who still support Bush?Even one who strongly supports him?How insane can you be?

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u227/smeier76/Miserable-Failure---Dar-Al-.jpg

He said that it was a mistake. He meant to click strongly disapprove. Reading comprehension FTW! :cwink:

[JewishHobbit]

Heh, I'll be the unpopular one who strongly approves of Bush :) I like the guy, and no, I'm not going to argue the topic.

[Mattchew]

who are these 'i dont know' people... take a side!

[Vilya]

My hair has turned grey from wondering how the heck did he get to sit in that office for two terms ???

[uchiha_itachi]

Though I don't like Bush, that joke was unquestionably lame. :o

who said it was a joke?

[Rorschach II]

Guess he was hoping you don't seriously believe a man could become President with "no intelligence whatsoever".

Should've clicked somewhat disapprove. He's done some things right. Patriot Act is main reason I disapprove.

[uchiha_itachi]

i cant belive a man like him is president...but yet here we are.

i mean seriously " it isn't the polution that is harming our invironment, its the impuritys and toxins in the air that are doing it " COME ON! SERIOUSLY?!?

[Ring Deacon]

Just do a yahoo search of the word failure, and look at #1. Go a head I'll wait.

[D Day]

Wish Cheney would take him for a ride in the woods.


"QUAIL!"

[Dan33977]

I "somewhat disapprove".

[hippie_hunter]

Wish Cheney would take him for a ride in the woods.


"QUAIL!"

Do you seriously want President Cheney?

[ProjectPat2280]

Hah, i love watching all you tw@ts get all bent out of shape about how strongly you dislike Bush. You guys are so enthusiastic about something you cant change whatsoever. Its kind of sad, yet so f'ing funny.

[XtromaniaK]

who said it was a joke?

Regardless of what it was, it was covered in remnants of lame.

[Kritish]

JewishHobbit, you're getting an IP ban for your vote.

[Poetic Chaos]

I approve of my gas going from $3.25 to $2.96 in a week or two.

[XtromaniaK]

JewishHobbit, you're getting an IP ban for your vote.

You voted the same. :csad:

[rdh007]

Worst. President. Ever.

[Mattchew]

Just do a yahoo search of the word failure, and look at #1. Go a head I'll wait.

another way to prove it... open a newspaper... I'll wait.

[uchiha_itachi]

Regardless of what it was, it was covered in remnants of lame.

your lame for saying it was lame. :o

[Mattchew]

the star wars movie poll comparison makes sense only if empire is clearly the best, yet we've had 6 years of people saying its treasonous to speak ill of phantom menace.

[XtromaniaK]

your lame for saying it was lame. :o

I guess it's lame to notice unfunny jokes these days. :o

[uchiha_itachi]

its lame that uve commented on it THAT much i mean jeez let it go..

[JewishHobbit]

JewishHobbit, you're getting an IP ban for your vote.

Banning me from the hype would be a blessing in disguise. I could actually get around to doing all the other things I've been wanting to do (books to read... and write... etc.) and not have to worry about getting sucked into Hype for hours on end without realizing it.

I'm so lame :(

[Mattchew]

im so torn jewishhobbit... i like your username but i f-ing hate your avatar.

[Asteroid-Man]

of course not

[Jack Rabbit]

I'm Canadian


There goes your argument.:csad:

[Immortalfire]

:dry:

[Shuley]

Bush has a very high Christian following,He's not going to get impeached cuase 66% of americans don't approve of him, doesn't work that way here..yes the guy is a moron.Thank god his term is almost over.

[Darkly Dexter]

because the congress only impeaches a president when he f*** and has oral sex with his lover.

[BlackLantern]

That kid getting tazered really made me ask myself, "Why hasn't Bush been impeached?"

If 66% disapprove, and majority rules, and America is a democracy, then how come he isn't bagging my groceries?

You have the power to vote, and to impeach. So why not exercise that RIGHT? Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. No ones liked him, ever. Yet there he is, smiling like an idiot.

There would be no police brutality and bad presidents if most of the citizens would get off their asses and teach them a lesson. That video was absolutely ridiculous. He's in a gym FULL of people, and they sit back and gasp as if it's helping him. There's NO way that 5 cops would be able to take on a gym full of people. So why didn't everyone rush them?

I'm Canadian, so I'm powerless in this situation, so this thread is more rhetorical than anything. But for the disapproving American majority, why have you not done anything to correct the problem?

America has the power, yet no guts to stand up for its own rights... How is this right?

What that moron did had nothing to do with the President....the kid acted like a total moron after being given repeated chances to stop and he didn't.

As for impeaching, being unpopular is not grounds enough to impeach a president....and only the Congress has the power to impeach a President.

First the House of Reps must pass the Articles of Impeachment and that requires a majority vote in the House...it then moves to the Senate. In order to convinct an impeached official there must be a two thirds majority vote....the Democrats don't have a two thirds majority vote....

[imdaly]

You can't impeach a president simply because you don't like him.

[TNC9852002]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/715/2yvqbn67kztl9.gif

Let's face it...He's not leaving....for another year. ;)

-TNC

[SuperMonkey]

What that moron did had nothing to do with the President....the kid acted like a total moron after being given repeated chances to stop and he didn't.

As for impeaching, being unpopular is not grounds enough to impeach a president....and only the Congress has the power to impeach a President.

First the House of Reps must pass the Articles of Impeachment and that requires a majority vote in the House...it then moves to the Senate. In order to convinct an impeached official there must be a two thirds majority vote....the Democrats don't have a two thirds majority vote....

:up: :up: :up:

[Badger]

That kid getting tazered really made me ask myself, "Why hasn't Bush been impeached?"

If 66% disapprove, and majority rules, and America is a democracy, then how come he isn't bagging my groceries?

You have the power to vote, and to impeach. So why not exercise that RIGHT? Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. No ones liked him, ever. Yet there he is, smiling like an idiot.

There would be no police brutality and bad presidents if most of the citizens would get off their asses and teach them a lesson. That video was absolutely ridiculous. He's in a gym FULL of people, and they sit back and gasp as if it's helping him. There's NO way that 5 cops would be able to take on a gym full of people. So why didn't everyone rush them?

I'm Canadian, so I'm powerless in this situation, so this thread is more rhetorical than anything. But for the disapproving American majority, why have you not done anything to correct the problem?

America has the power, yet no guts to stand up for its own rights... How is this right?

Oh, Chad...:whatever: [/sitcom]

[TNC9852002]

That guy was not acting like a moron. He was just rude and out of line. I still don't think that they had to cut off his microphone.

-TNC

[Badger]

What that moron did had nothing to do with the President....the kid acted like a total moron after being given repeated chances to stop and he didn't.

As for impeaching, being unpopular is not grounds enough to impeach a president....and only the Congress has the power to impeach a President.

First the House of Reps must pass the Articles of Impeachment and that requires a majority vote in the House...it then moves to the Senate. In order to convinct an impeached official there must be a two thirds majority vote....the Democrats don't have a two thirds majority vote....

Winner!!

[Hotwire]

Quite honestly, he hasn't been impeached because it would cost way too much time and money.

[BlackLantern]

That guy was not acting like a moron. He was just rude and out of line. I still don't think that they had to cut off his microphone.

-TNC

I've been to moderated Q A's at school and even at SDCC, they even tell you before hand that if your question is inappropriate or you're making an arse of yourself, they will cut the mike on you.....

[The Chairman]

Bush has a very high Christian following,He's not going to get impeached cuase 66% of americans don't approve of him, doesn't work that way here..yes the guy is a moron.Thank god his term is almost over.

If 85 % of America is Christian, and 66 % disapprove of him, that's really not a large following.

Anyway, if Bush were to be impeached, it should've been carried out at least 1 1/2 years ago. Now it would be just pointless.

[BlackLantern]

I did not know that. Man, this is a major let down. I say the 66% just rush him and throw him to the wolves. Sin City style, but not really, haha.

It's a time consuming process and no other business (laws, pending bills, etc) get addressed during that time.....

[imdaly]

But 66% of the population WANTS to impeach him. Is there really no way to correct this situation?

66% of the polled population wants Bush gone. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean there's any legal grounds to impeach him (which doesn't mean he'd be gone, anyway).

The US had it's chance to get rid of him in 2004. We voted for him again. If so many people wanted him gone, that was their chance.

[DareDemon]

Holy hell Chad, I've never seen this thread before!

[Superman]

Because the Dems don't have the votes. The Dems are bearely the majority in congress, 51-49, You need at least a 2/3rds vote to get anything significant passed. That's why they can't get anything done. The Right won't let anything pass that will do any good. That way they can go around in 08 and say "See? The Dems haven't done anything while they've been in office" Knowing that the reason the Dems haven't been able to do anything is because the Rep won't vote with them.

If the Right would get off there highhorse and started voting for the good of the country instead of what Bush wants we might get something done around here.

[D4rkShaDoWz]

it's a little late for that now...can't you just wait a year? lol

On November 3rd, George W Bush will be impeached...i can predict it

[Superman]

What that moron did had nothing to do with the President....the kid acted like a total moron after being given repeated chances to stop and he didn't.

As for impeaching, being unpopular is not grounds enough to impeach a president....and only the Congress has the power to impeach a President.

First the House of Reps must pass the Articles of Impeachment and that requires a majority vote in the House...it then moves to the Senate. In order to convinct an impeached official there must be a two thirds majority vote....the Democrats don't have a two thirds majority vote....Or what he said. :cwink: :woot:

[SuperMonkey]

But 66% of the population WANTS to impeach him. Is there really no way to correct this situation?

No. 66% disapprove. That doesnt mean impeach. I disapprove but don't want him impeached because there's no legal basis for it. -- FunBob

[DareDemon]

And really, why do people always act as if getting impeached means they're out of office?

Even if he is impeached, he'll still finish his term I'm sure.

[TNC9852002]

I've been to moderated Q A's at school and even at SDCC, they even tell you before hand that if your question is inappropriate or you're making an arse of yourself, they will cut the mike on you.....
Yeah, but I'm wondering, who's the one that makes that decision?

-TNC

[DareDemon]

Yeah, but I'm wondering, who's the one that makes that decision?

-TNC

Not the kid, I'll tell you that.

Wrong thread anyway.

[hammy]

Do you even know what the word impeach means? :dry: It means to accuse someone of wrongdoing. People use it as though it means to kick a politician out of office. :whatever: It doesn't. And even if you successfully impeach someone, that's just the beginning of the process. They would have to have a trial, and they may or may not be convicted.

[DareDemon]

So let me get this straight. People shoot good presidents in the head, but let overzealous self-proclaimed messengers from God who are genuinely trampling the rights of the very people that elected him live?

When you say "people" that shoot good presidents in the head, do you mean "psychos"? Cause if so than yeah, that sounds about right.

Trampling the rights? Please elaborate. I'm in the USA and I sure as hell don't feel trampled.

[imdaly]

So let me get this straight. People shoot good presidents in the head, but let overzealous self-proclaimed messengers from God who are genuinely trampling the rights of the very people that elected him live?

I think someone needs to read up on their American history before claiming to know what's best for the country...

[DareDemon]

Well then I guess the question is, why hasn't there been an attempt to get him kicked out of office.

Because he hasn't done anything to warrant it.

[Badger]

So let me get this straight. People shoot good presidents in the head, but let overzealous self-proclaimed messengers from God who are genuinely trampling the rights of the very people that elected him live?

:dry: Wow...

Chad. Yes it getting old for me too.

[Memphis Slim]

That kid getting tazered really made me ask myself, "Why hasn't Bush been impeached?"

If 66% disapprove, and majority rules, and America is a democracy, then how come he isn't bagging my groceries?

You have the power to vote, and to impeach. So why not exercise that RIGHT? Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. No ones liked him, ever. Yet there he is, smiling like an idiot.

There would be no police brutality and bad presidents if most of the citizens would get off their asses and teach them a lesson. That video was absolutely ridiculous. He's in a gym FULL of people, and they sit back and gasp as if it's helping him. There's NO way that 5 cops would be able to take on a gym full of people. So why didn't everyone rush them?

I'm Canadian, so I'm powerless in this situation, so this thread is more rhetorical than anything. But for the disapproving American majority, why have you not done anything to correct the problem?

America has the power, yet no guts to stand up for its own rights... How is this right?
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[BlackLantern]

it's a little late for that now...can't you just wait a year? lol

On November 3rd, George W Bush will be impeached...i can predict it

once he's out of office...it seems pointless to impeach him....

[C. Lee]

There would be no police brutality and bad presidents if most of the citizens would get off their asses and teach them a lesson. That video was absolutely ridiculous. He's in a gym FULL of people, and they sit back and gasp as if it's helping him. There's NO way that 5 cops would be able to take on a gym full of people. So why didn't everyone rush them?

Let me get this right....you are actually suggesting that if you see a policeman doing something that you are not sure is right.....the public should actually attack them and beat them into submission?:huh:

Whatever happened to the belief that Canadians were less violent that Americans? Come on up to Canada...if you don't think you deserve that parking ticket....shoot the meter maid!!!!!

[BlackLantern]

Yeah, but I'm wondering, who's the one that makes that decision?

-TNC

in the case of SDCC, its usually the convention staff that have been working in conventions and such....or the representatives of the speaker(s) set guidelines as to what would be appropriate.....

[C. Lee]

So let me get this straight. People shoot good presidents in the head, but let overzealous self-proclaimed messengers from God who are genuinely trampling the rights of the very people that elected him live?

So, uh.....you are advocating the murder of a person just because you don't agree with their politics?

[BlackLantern]

I live in America, I have a full time job, an apartment, and a cat. No one is trampling me....

[DareDemon]

Let me get this right....you are actually suggesting that if you see a policeman doing something that you are not sure is right.....the public should actually attack them and beat them into submission?:huh:

Whatever happened to the belief that Canadians were less violent that Americans? Come on up to Canada...if you don't think you deserve that parking ticket....shoot the meter maid!!!!!

People like him just want to pretend V for Vendetta is real.

[BlackLantern]

People like him just want to pretend V for Vendetta is real.

It's not:eek: ??? Guess I'll have to put away my black cape and fancy hat

[DareDemon]

It's not:eek: ??? Guess I'll have to put away my black cape and fancy hat

Oh dang, sorry :csad:

[BlackLantern]

Well considering that most of Middle America seems to have voted for Bush in '04....and the east and west coasts didn't.....The Heartland decides who the President is....that's why Iowa is so important

[DareDemon]

Illinois is pretty cool too! :(

[kainedamo]

That kid getting tazered really made me ask myself, "Why hasn't Bush been impeached?"

If 66% disapprove, and majority rules, and America is a democracy, then how come he isn't bagging my groceries?

You have the power to vote, and to impeach. So why not exercise that RIGHT? Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. No ones liked him, ever. Yet there he is, smiling like an idiot.

There would be no police brutality and bad presidents if most of the citizens would get off their asses and teach them a lesson. That video was absolutely ridiculous. He's in a gym FULL of people, and they sit back and gasp as if it's helping him. There's NO way that 5 cops would be able to take on a gym full of people. So why didn't everyone rush them?

I'm Canadian, so I'm powerless in this situation, so this thread is more rhetorical than anything. But for the disapproving American majority, why have you not done anything to correct the problem?

America has the power, yet no guts to stand up for its own rights... How is this right?

It's obvious to me that you didn't see the other clips, where the guy was clearly creating a disturbance and making a scene, and resisting the officers when they're simply trying to escort him out.

People are screaming police brutality at the dumbest things it's going to start weakening every future case of police brutality.

[kainedamo]

So, uh.....you are advocating the murder of a person just because you don't agree with their politics?

Well to be fair, if ever you were gonna assasinate someone, doing it because they're the leader of the most powerful country in the world and abuse that power in the worst way... there are worse reasons for murder.

[BlackLantern]

Well to be fair, if ever you were gonna assasinate someone, doing it because they're the leader of the most powerful country in the world and abuse that power in the worst way... there are worse reasons for murder.

does the President oppress you in any way...? as for me....I'm free to do the things I want to do...I don't feel oppressed or abused....That's the mindset of most Americans...as long as they can drive their SUV's, get the kids to school and get the bills paid, they could really care less whats going on.....The really smart people go to college and go into the private sector because the government doesn't pay squat, so we end up with B and C students running the country....

[kainedamo]

I'm not saying I think Bush deserves to be murdered, or that he's even the worst President. I'm simply saying someone could easily justify it to themselves, especially if it were their son or daughter that had been killed fighting his phony war.

[C. Lee]

Well to be fair, if ever you were gonna assasinate someone, doing it because they're the leader of the most powerful country in the world and abuse that power in the worst way... there are worse reasons for murder.

But....he's Canadian, eh.........they're supposed to be non violent.:oldrazz:

[Excel]

Whode Take His Place?

[kainedamo]

Obama should be president, but it's not gonna happen.

Out of all the ****ing lousy no good bastards running for the job, he's the only one that tells it like it is concerning the Iraq war.

And I'm sorry about this, this is something I feel strongly about and I get angry thinking about it, but you american fools are gonna elect Hilary. I know it. I knew it was a mistake to elect Bush. It happened. I knew it was a mistake to go to war in Iraq. People heavily supported it. And now look at ya, america! All full of regret! You keep making the same damn mistakes! Elect Obama, you fools.

[C. Lee]

Whode Take His Place?

Dick "I'll shoot you in the face" Cheney......:wow:

[DareDemon]

Obama should be president, but it's not gonna happen.

Out of all the ****ing lousy no good bastards running for the job, he's the only one that tells it like it is concerning the Iraq war.

And I'm sorry about this, this is something I feel strongly about and I get angry thinking about it, but you american fools are gonna elect Hilary. I know it. I knew it was a mistake to elect Bush. It happened. I knew it was a mistake to go to war in Iraq. People heavily supported it. And now look at ya, america! All full of regret! You keep making the same damn mistakes! Elect Obama, you fools.

The fools will vote for Hilary, yes. But I doubt she'll win.

[Badger]

Chad, that makes no sense. :huh:

[BlackLantern]

Obama should be president, but it's not gonna happen.

Out of all the ****ing lousy no good bastards running for the job, he's the only one that tells it like it is concerning the Iraq war.

And I'm sorry about this, this is something I feel strongly about and I get angry thinking about it, but you american fools are gonna elect Hilary. I know it. I knew it was a mistake to elect Bush. It happened. I knew it was a mistake to go to war in Iraq. People heavily supported it. And now look at ya, america! All full of regret! You keep making the same damn mistakes! Elect Obama, you fools.

...and this is coming from a black man....Obama is not qualified to be President....2 years in the House is not enough to run the country.....maybe if he had been a mayor or something....knew what it was to be responsible for people's well being, but he hasn't. He's a glorified paper-pusher

[DareDemon]

...and this is coming from a black man....Obama is not qualified to be President....2 years in the House is not enough to run the country.....maybe if he had been a mayor or something....knew what it was to be responsible for people's well being, but he hasn't. He's a glorified paper-pusher

It doesn't matter if you're black. YOU'RE STILL RACIST!

[Matt]

Because it is pointless. There would never be the numbers or the public support to impeach him. Cheney is far more evil. When the Democrats took the majority he only had 2 years left. Shall I keep going?

Also, Obama shouldn't be president for a number of reasons. Him being black is not one of them.

[BlackLantern]

It doesn't matter if you're black. YOU'RE STILL RACIST!

How am I racist....the reasons I gave have nothing to do with race.....

[DareDemon]

How am I racist....the reasons I gave have nothing to do with race.....

You said "This is coming from a black man..."
It was a joke

[Matt]

HOOK IS UNDERRATED!!!!! :cmad:

[BlackLantern]

You said "This is coming from a black man..."
It was a joke

I just didn't want people jumping on me because of the whole race issue

[DareDemon]

I just didn't want people jumping on me because of the whole race issue

I know, I was making fun of the people who would have jumped on it

[BlackLantern]

I say we do a "None of the Above"....I do not see one candidate who makes me want to believe that they could be President....

[Downhere]

HOOK IS UNDERRATED!!!!! :cmad:

So true, I liked Hook. :up:

[turtlefocker]

The Office is such a funny show

[Downhere]

The Office is such a funny show

Indeed it is...at the moment it is possibly my favorite show right now.

[Kelly]

Whode Take His Place?


The V-Pres, the Speaker of the House......


Oh hell no, I'll wait until November, 2008 thank you.....:o

[Mr Sparkle]

I've been to moderated Q A's at school and even at SDCC, they even tell you before hand that if your question is inappropriate or you're making an arse of yourself, they will cut the mike on you.....

and then incapacitate you, five on one.
with tazers. :dry:

[JinnSato]

Bea cause he has a year left in office. Thats why.

[C. Lee]

... that movie "Hook" sucked!

That's Canadian for "Ignore my first post.":hyper:

[Jack Rabbit]

Shaddup, Chad.:cmad:

[Badger]

Chad knows not the hell he has unleashed. :(

[kainedamo]

...and this is coming from a black man....Obama is not qualified to be President....2 years in the House is not enough to run the country.....maybe if he had been a mayor or something....knew what it was to be responsible for people's well being, but he hasn't. He's a glorified paper-pusher

I'm not black :huh:

[cookiva]

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Dont worry, we have had awhile.

Now, as far as Bush, you will have a hard time finding someone further left than I. That said, we cant just say "LETS IMPEACH HIM" if we dont like him. Granted, he has screwed up more than any other pres before him, but we are stuck with him for the time being. It serves those who voted for him right to have to put up with it for awhile.

[LegendaryCaleb]

I Like Bush...

[BlackLantern]

I'm kind of indifferent towards El Presidente.....but I think its funny how the left seems to think that everything is going to be rainbows and sunshine when he is out of office....Like the next Prez is going to give up all the power that the previous administration got for him....

[cookiva]

I'm kind of indifferent towards El Presidente.....but I think its funny how the left seems to think that everything is going to be rainbows and sunshine when he is out of office....Like the next Prez is going to give up all the power that the previous administration got for hom....


Which its not going to be, and anyone who honestly thinks that is an idiot.

[DBella]

...and this is coming from a black man....Obama is not qualified to be President....2 years in the House is not enough to run the country.....maybe if he had been a mayor or something....knew what it was to be responsible for people's well being, but he hasn't. He's a glorified paper-pusher
And how is George W. qualified to be President? Because he was governor and his daddy was a former president? Look how well everything turned out.

[DBella]

I Like Bush...
Me too. I like Bush but not as a President. I think it'll be fun to hang out with him. Without Cheney around coz I don't want to get shot by him... accidentally.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Me too. I like Bush but not as a President. I think it'll be fun to hang out with him. Without Cheney around coz I don't want to get shot by him... accidentally.
i used to like Bush as prez...but idk...kinda ready to see if things can change with someone different

[BlackLantern]

And how is George W. qualified to be President? Because he was governor and his daddy was a former president? Look how well everything turned out.

I never said Bush was qualified.....I was just expressing my opinion on Obama

[cookiva]

The only person qualified enough to run this country is this guy

http://10-yen.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/random-guy.jpg

[DBella]

I never said Bush was qualified.....I was just expressing my opinion on Obama
But based on your criteria of 'qualification', Bush should be qualified, right? I mean, you said someone should at least be a mayor and Bush was higher than a mayor, he was governor of Texas ("Don't Mess With Texas!").

[cookiva]

I lived out of the country when he was running this state, but my friends tell me he was running us into the ground.

[BlackLantern]

But based on your criteria of 'qualification', Bush should be qualified, right? I mean, you said someone should at least be a mayor and Bush was higher than a mayor, he was governor of Texas ("Don't Mess With Texas!").

I said that's what I thought...Clinton was a governor, so was Reagan.....I know it's opposite ends of the spectrum, but I think a person should have experience running a state (if not governor, then Lt. Governor).....Bush Sr. was VP for 8 years so he saw what the job took. I don't think someone from the Senate, with only about 2-3 years experience within the federal government....would make an effective president....IMO...and anyone who thinks the power structure is going to allow a minority to become president is a fool

[kainedamo]

Why did you think I was black?

I once claimed to be black on a feminist message board to prove a point, but it went right over their heads, them being girls and all that's gonna happen.

[BlackLantern]

Why did you think I was black?

I once claimed to be black on a feminist message board to prove a point, but it went right over their heads, them being girls and all that's gonna happen.

I didn't think you were black, I said I was....sorry for the misunderstanding

[cookiva]

That was kind of wierd, but alright.


You went to a feminist forum.....?

[DBella]

Why did you think I was black?

I once claimed to be black on a feminist message board to prove a point, but it went right over their heads, them being girls and all that's gonna happen.
What point did you have to prove on a feminist message board that compels you to pose as a black person? *curious*

[cookiva]

Wow, maybe i should read the entire post. Kaine, wtf???

[BlackLantern]

As far as new candidiates.....there really isn't anyone I take seriously. None of them seem to have a concrete plan....They all have some ideas as to what to do, or what they want to do.....Just to name a few, as long as Bill is alive no one is taking Hillary seriously, Obama just isn't getting elected, Gravel and Paul are like the crazy uncles at the family reunion, Thompson has his limo drop him off at the pick up truck so he can drive it to the rally......

[cookiva]

Gravel and Paul are easily the best candidates.

I would take Paul over almost any of the "liberal" candidates. He actually has the conviction to hold his stance.

[BlackLantern]

Gravel and Paul are easily the best candidates.

but they are going to get buried by their party because they don't walk the party line....

[cookiva]

Paul is doing well in straw polling, but when your party members laugh at you, you wont make it. Its too sad he doesnt get enough press, because he is actually one of the most qualified and interesting candidates.

[BlackLantern]

Both parties will go with the "safest" possible candidate....

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

The political movement, awareness and concern is dead in this country.

[kainedamo]

What point did you have to prove on a feminist message board that compels you to pose as a black person? *curious*

I was asking for criticism for a comic book I had wrote in which I had a black guy as one of the main characters. I got accused of using a... god, I can't even remember the ridiculous term... something like, "smart ******". And I said, well I am a black man and I find that offensive you think just because he's black and smart he's some sort of cliche!

[kainedamo]

That was kind of wierd, but alright.


You went to a feminist forum.....?

Yes. It was fun how hyper-sensitive they were. They hated my comic 'cause it had these butch lesbians have their asses kicked by two hot lesbians. They didn't understand the irony and the humor.

[blind_fury]

Good question.

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[rdh007]

Paul is doing well in straw polling, but when your party members laugh at you, you wont make it. Its too sad he doesnt get enough press, because he is actually one of the most qualified and interesting candidates.
He's also just plain wrong.

[unshun]Great avvy![reshun]

[BlackLantern]

The political movement, awareness and concern is dead in this country.

Can't disagree with you there..Like I had posted before, but it bears repeating. The true definition of "citizen" is long forgotten in this country. We have the best and brightest going to work in the private sector because the government does not pay squat, so we end up with B and C students running the country. Most American citizens are only concerned with getting the kids to school on time, paying the bills, and hoping they can get that promotion at work. Being a citizen is taking that extra time to get involved in your community, but alas it doesn't happen...."Who has the time?" should be American motto...

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Can't disagree with you there..Like I had posted before, but it bears repeating. The true definition of "citizen" is long forgotten in this country. We have the best and brightest going to work in the private sector because the government does not pay squat, so we end up with B and C students running the country. Most American citizens are only concerned with getting the kids to school on time, paying the bills, and hoping they can get that promotion at work. Being a citizen is taking that extra time to get involved in your community, but alas it doesn't happen...."Who has the time?" should be American motto...


I agree, but also disagree to a certain extent. The whole structure of our country's political process is ****ed two ways from sideways. Things NEED to be changed. It won't happen, but it should.

Plus, recent reports have come out saying that not voting actually does far less damage than an uniformed vote does.

But I still agree with everything you said. It's just too hard now for Americans to care with having to deal with what you have stated and the way our country is set up to push people towards those ideals of big house, fast car etc.

[zanos]

Despite a 66% disapproval rating Bush is very popular in America. That's why we voted for him again. Because we know he can handle the biggest problem facing america today, gay marriage.

[BlackLantern]

Disapproval ratings are not votes.....its merely a poll of some people....

[BlackLantern]

Speaking of votes....too many people have the mindeset that their vote doesn't count....Well if you get 1,000 people with that mindset, then it becomes an issue. The reason Bush got re-elected is because Middle America votes regardless of the candidates or the issues. If you took a count of all the registered voters, I'm probably guessing you will have more registered Republicans that vote in elections, as opposed to registered Democrats that vote in elections.....GO VOTE....if you don't bote, you don't get to complain

[Eddie Brock]

Very few people actually understand impeachment...

Impeachment does not mean you get kicked out of office. Impeachment is the rough equivalent of indictment. It's when Congress accuses the President of committing a crime when he's in Office. Then, it goes to trial - with the Supreme Court as judge and the Senate as jury. If CONVICTED, then the President is removed from Office.

As it is, no President has ever been convicted, and only two have been impeached - Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Both of them were found innocent, served the remainder of their terms, and then left with their tail between their legs.

[BlackLantern]

First the House and the Senate have vote on and pass Articles of Impeachment....and to even get it to trial, you need 2 thirds majority....

[Eddie Brock]

First the House and the Senate have vote on and pass Articles of Impeachment....and to even get it to trial, you need 2 thirds majority....
Precisely. I tried to keep it as short and sweet as possible.

As you can see, it's a very intricate process, and therefore saying, "I don't like him!" is not going to be enough. Besides, he needs to do something legally wrong first...AND no President has ever been convicted, so even if he got impeached...I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[BlackLantern]

You want change....VOTE FOR IT...that's my advice

[X-Chick]

Really, he might be a bad president, but he hasn't done anything heinous enough to merit an impeachment. It's not like its something easily or often done.

[Warhammer]

Oh, yet another Anti-Bush thread.
These threads get nowhere.

:rolleyes:

[Arkady Rossovich]

That kid getting tazered really made me ask myself, "Why hasn't Bush been impeached?"

If 66% disapprove, and majority rules, and America is a democracy, then how come he isn't bagging my groceries?

You have the power to vote, and to impeach. So why not exercise that RIGHT? Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. No ones liked him, ever. Yet there he is, smiling like an idiot.

There would be no police brutality and bad presidents if most of the citizens would get off their asses and teach them a lesson. That video was absolutely ridiculous. He's in a gym FULL of people, and they sit back and gasp as if it's helping him. There's NO way that 5 cops would be able to take on a gym full of people. So why didn't everyone rush them?

I'm Canadian, so I'm powerless in this situation, so this thread is more rhetorical than anything. But for the disapproving American majority, why have you not done anything to correct the problem?

America has the power, yet no guts to stand up for its own rights... How is this right?

It was tried,but there are 2 factors.America is lazy..and Republicans control the White House.Even if you don't support what they do,the claim to do these things IN your name.

[Fledermaus]

Why hasn't Bush been impeached?

He didn't get a blowjob in the White House. Or any other house for that matter.
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/thisweekineducation/upload/2007/04/Bill_Clinton_Biography_2.jpg

[Kelly]

It was tried,but there are 2 factors.America is lazy..and Republicans control the White House.Even if you don't support what they do,the claim to do these things IN your name.


Your generalities about Americans are getting very annoying....

Republicans do not run the White House, both houses are Democratic controlled at the moment.......

[X-Chick]

He's right though. Americans are lazy. Arrogant too.

[BlackLantern]

Your generalities about Americans are getting very annoying....

Republicans do not run the White House, both houses are Democratic controlled at the moment.......

and the Democrats have failed utterly at getting any kind of legislation passed, as far as the war is concerned.....

[Apollo]

Why hasn't Bush been impeached?

He didn't get a blowjob in the White House. Or any other house for that matter.
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/thisweekineducation/upload/2007/04/Bill_Clinton_Biography_2.jpg

shhwwing....

[Kelly]

and the Democrats have failed utterly at getting any kind of legislation passed, as far as the war is concerned.....


Can't disagree there...



And no not all Americans are lazy, I work my ass off as do my friends in the various jobs that they have......lazy is when you generalize about a group of people because you don't feel the need to get to know them as individuals....

[BlackLantern]

I work a full time job....not lazy over here....

[X-Chick]

Can't disagree there...



And no not all Americans are lazy, I work my ass off as do my friends in the various jobs that they have......lazy is when you generalize about a group of people because you don't feel the need to get to know them as individuals....

I work a full time job....not lazy over here....

lol. Having a job doesn't mean you aren't lazy, especially when you are required to for food and clothing and a home. And most jobs don't actually require a lot of work. You sit in a nice air-conditioned building, working on a computer or answering phones, maybe showing customers merchandise or delivering goods.

But even if as an individual you are not lazy, as a whole, Americans are lazy. Why do you think the obesity rate among Americans is double most other countries and triple others? It's not just the way we eat, it's also because we're lazy. We have machines and such to do everything for us now so why bother doing it ourselves? How many people actually walk anywhere? How many hours do you spend sitting on your sofa watching tv or at a computer?

[Tempest19]

Because his secret wife is...

http://www.toadscastle.net/images/250px-Peach_SPP.jpg

[C. Lee]

lol. Having a job doesn't mean you aren't lazy, especially when you are required to for food and clothing and a home. And most jobs don't actually require a lot of work. You sit in a nice air-conditioned building, working on a computer or answering phones, maybe showing customers merchandise or delivering goods.

But even if as an individual you are not lazy, as a whole, Americans are lazy. Why do you think the obesity rate among Americans is double most other countries and triple others? It's not just the way we eat, it's also because we're lazy. We have machines and such to do everything for us now so why bother doing it ourselves? How many people actually walk anywhere? How many hours do you spend sitting on your sofa watching tv or at a computer?
It's also due to the kind of food eaten....not necessarily the amount.

[BlackLantern]

Being a fatty mc fat fat is bad parents who would rather shove fast food down their kids throats than actually cook....being a fatty is someone who lacks the willpower to shut off the TV or the computer and go for a run or a walk.....I actually do sit in an air-conditioned office and work on a computer because I work for an internet company....is it not a real job because I don't go home dirty and sweaty every day....?? People are FAT because of lack of personal responsibility.....I'm not super washboard abs and muscle guy...but I make time in my day to either go running for a bit or walk a couple miles....don't care about what anyone else is doing....not my issue

[Addendum]

and the Democrats have failed utterly at getting any kind of legislation passed, as far as the war is concerned.....

They lack the votes to override the president's veto, while the president vetos the bill and blames them for getting nothing passed.

And the democrats lack the votes to break a republican filibuster in the senate, which the republicans now love since they're not in charge.

[BlackLantern]

They lack the votes to override the president's veto, while the president vetos the bill and blames them for getting nothing passed.

And the democrats lack the votes to break a republican filibuster in the senate, which the republicans now love since they're not in charge.

love them checks and balances....:ninja:

[Addendum]

Kinda funny, since the president is damn annoyed by them

[X-Chick]

It's also due to the kind of food eaten....not necessarily the amount.

They have McDonald's in a lot of countries, but they don't have the same problems we do.

Being a fatty mc fat fat is bad parents who would rather shove fast food down their kids throats than actually cook....being a fatty is someone who lacks the willpower to shut off the TV or the computer and go for a run or a walk.....I actually do sit in an air-conditioned office and work on a computer because I work for an internet company....is it not a real job because I don't go home dirty and sweaty every day....?? People are FAT because of lack of personal responsibility.....I'm not super washboard abs and muscle guy...but I make time in my day to either go running for a bit or walk a couple miles....don't care about what anyone else is doing....not my issue

Why are you making this a weight issue? That was only an example, not the main point. Also, you're only reiterating my point. People not having will power to actually get up and doing something is the definition of laziness.

[BlackLantern]

well lazy people are everywhere.....

[Mr. Socko]

Seriously, even Americans are starting to hate America. I'm moving to the UK.

[BlackLantern]

I say we start black-bagging dissenters.....

[Addendum]

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism - Thomas Jefferson

[BlackLantern]

i was joking....wartime presidents, for the exception of FDR and Lincoln, are never popular and there are always people that want to impeach the president...

[keith_v]

lol. Having a job doesn't mean you aren't lazy, especially when you are required to for food and clothing and a home. And most jobs don't actually require a lot of work. You sit in a nice air-conditioned building, working on a computer or answering phones, maybe showing customers merchandise or delivering goods.

But even if as an individual you are not lazy, as a whole, Americans are lazy. Why do you think the obesity rate among Americans is double most other countries and triple others? It's not just the way we eat, it's also because we're lazy. We have machines and such to do everything for us now so why bother doing it ourselves? How many people actually walk anywhere? How many hours do you spend sitting on your sofa watching tv or at a computer?

You make it sound like any person who works on a computer is lazy and worthless. It was those peole who designed the modern computer and shaped the world as we know it. Especially the ones in America.

If it weren't for people who sat in an air condition room on a computer, there would still be people dropping dead of every little illness that hit them. And what about every piece of safety equipment that has been engineered in recent history? I guess the people that made those people were lazy, too.

I don't think you give the people that work the more unexciting jobs enough credit.

[Addendum]

The people at Blizzard have sure earned my respect for making WoW :dry:

Great job, seriously. You guys give cubicles a good name

[chaseter]

That kid getting tazered really made me ask myself, "Why hasn't Bush been impeached?"

If 66% disapprove, and majority rules, and America is a democracy, then how come he isn't bagging my groceries?

You have the power to vote, and to impeach. So why not exercise that RIGHT? Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. No ones liked him, ever. Yet there he is, smiling like an idiot.

There would be no police brutality and bad presidents if most of the citizens would get off their asses and teach them a lesson. That video was absolutely ridiculous. He's in a gym FULL of people, and they sit back and gasp as if it's helping him. There's NO way that 5 cops would be able to take on a gym full of people. So why didn't everyone rush them?

I'm Canadian, so I'm powerless in this situation, so this thread is more rhetorical than anything. But for the disapproving American majority, why have you not done anything to correct the problem?

America has the power, yet no guts to stand up for its own rights... How is this right?
Taser him:cmad: Maybe it's because the Dems are a bunch of p*ssies:wow:

[zanos]

i was joking....wartime presidents, for the exception of FDR and Lincoln, are never popular and there are always people that want to impeach the president...

I don't think any president has actually lied about the reasons for going to war just to make a profit off of it. Can anyone here imagine if JFK began the Vietnam war because him and LBJ wanted to profit off the war? :wow:

[BlackLantern]

I don't think any president has actually lied about the reasons for going to war just to make a profit off of it. Can anyone here imagine if JFK began the Vietnam war because him and LBJ wanted to profit off the war? :wow:

Who says that wasn't the case. maybe JFK got whacked because he wanted to stop the war, and keep certain people from the profit....there have always been war profiteers...maybe not in the White House, but they have always been around....its all out in the open now because of the internet, 24 hour news, and indpendent journalists

[Zoken]

Let me think... umm... what could it be... why wasn't he impeached... um... He never did anything illegal?

Oh, and Willy's illicit affair had nothign to do with why impeachment proceedings were started against him. It's because he lied to a governement inquiry body, and then used his power as president to hide the truth. He did do something illegal. Also, consider this: An extramarital affair is legally punishable under military law. Clinton was the head of the armed forces. I would think he should have been held to the same standards. Clinton was not a good man, just a smart man.

[hippie_hunter]

i was joking....wartime presidents, for the exception of FDR and Lincoln, are never popular and there are always people that want to impeach the president...

Actually, Lincoln was the George W. Bush of his day during the Civil War, he barely won re-election, people were getting sick of war, etc.

Then he got shot in the head and everyone loved him.

[BlackLantern]

Actually, Lincoln was the George W. Bush of his day during the Civil War, he barely won re-election, people were getting sick of war, etc.

Then he got shot in the head and everyone loved him.

I stand stand corrected but the point still stands.....wartime presidents are always on the hot seat....

[Addendum]

Let me think... umm... what could it be... why wasn't he impeached... um... He never did anything illegal?

Oh, and Willy's illicit affair had nothign to do with why impeachment proceedings were started against him. It's because he lied to a governement inquiry body, and then used his power as president to hide the truth. He did do something illegal. Also, consider this: An extramarital affair is legally punishable under military law. Clinton was the head of the armed forces. I would think he should have been held to the same standards. Clinton was not a good man, just a smart man.

But the president, while the commander in chief of the armed forces, is still a civilian

[Zoken]

But the president, while the commander in chief of the armed forces, is still a civilian
My point was there are circumstances where he could have been prosecuted for his sexcapades. but it was not why he was nearly impeached.

[Addendum]

So bring up a civilian law to deal with a civilian.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Speaking of votes....too many people have the mindeset that their vote doesn't count....Well if you get 1,000 people with that mindset, then it becomes an issue. The reason Bush got re-elected is because Middle America votes regardless of the candidates or the issues. If you took a count of all the registered voters, I'm probably guessing you will have more registered Republicans that vote in elections, as opposed to registered Democrats that vote in elections.....GO VOTE....if you don't bote, you don't get to complain


Actually...if you don't vote, you get to complain because you did not elect that jackass to represent you. AND uniformed votes are more dangerous than people not voting. Plus where is the incentive to vote? There isn't any.

[BlackLantern]

Actually...if you don't vote, you get to complain because you did not elect that jackass to represent you. AND uniformed votes are more dangerous than people not voting. Plus where is the incentive to vote? There isn't any.

Uninformed votes still get counted......You shouldn't need an incentive to vote, in my opinion......

[BlackLantern]

It's those uninformed votes that put people in positions of power that shouldn't be there because those uninformed voters follow the party line...not what makes sense....

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It's those uninformed votes that put people in positions of power that shouldn't be there because those uninformed voters follow the party line...not what makes sense....


Which is exactly why uninformed or uneducated votes are actually more dangerous than not voting at all.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Uninformed votes still get counted......You shouldn't need an incentive to vote, in my opinion......

Actually.....no they don't. That's just a small part of the reasons why there is no incentive to vote. And by incentive I don't mean, pay every citizen that votes a dollar. I mean that, my vote really doesn't have an effect on the actual outcome of the election process. Especially if it's just going to be stolen anyway.

[BlackLantern]

Actually.....no they don't. That's just a small part of the reasons why there is no incentive to vote. And by incentive I don't mean, pay every citizen that votes a dollar. I mean that, my vote really doesn't have an effect on the actual outcome of the election process. Especially if it's just going to be stolen anyway.

One may not matter...but a thousand do. I vote, and some people might think I'm wasting my time, but I do it anyway...I vote for who I think would be the best person for the job.....Where I live at, local elections are a big deal....people go to the HS and encourage kids who are 18 to register......

[BlackLantern]

My point is if you are not doing anything to affect change, even if it is something as small as voting....don't complain when things don't change.....

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

My point is if you are not doing anything to affect change, even if it is something as small as voting....don't complain when things don't change.....


I will have to get the article and I am not arguing against you voting or saying people shouldn't vote but in the big scheme of things. Presidential election, etc. One vote or a thousand actually don't matter.

Electorial college, remember? Small local votes I am sure count much more per person than having delegates represent you that say they will vote for your best interest.

[J. J. Jameson]

To the non-American who began this thread:

Just because the people are unsatisfied with their government does not mean they can impeach them. Democracy does not work like that. I do hope you know that "impeach" does not mean "to get rid of". Impeachment is only the formal accusation of a government official. Furthermore, as has already been stated, only Congress can impeach a president, not the American people. If the American people are unsatisfied with the current state of the government, democracy allows them to voice that opinion and give the boot to whoever is in office. Formal accusation and removal from office are not things that you can flippantly throw around. The fact that Bush made some unfavored decisions does that he's done anything to warrant impeachment or removal from office.

Popular sovereignty...people power...is not a free for all where the people can do what they want. You spoke of exercising rights. Before government as we have it today, life was a free for all and if you didn't like a guy, then just physically drag him out of office if need be. BUT under our government today, the people agree to give up rights like that, in exchange for the government's protection of their natural and unalienable rights as well as the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. This social contract can only be broken if the government fails to protect those rights. Our rights have not been violated. The government leaders haven't abused their power in order to commit illegal acts. As it stands, though unfavored by the majority, the administration is legally solid and had done nothing to produce a valid impeachment.

There's your civics lesson for the day.

[BlackLantern]

Couldn't agree more with the above post....and nothing is going to happen to Bush when he leaves office. He is simply going to go back to Texas and probably write a book or something....

[ShadowBoxing]

That kid getting tazered really made me ask myself, "Why hasn't Bush been impeached?"

If 66% disapprove, and majority rules, and America is a democracy, then how come he isn't bagging my groceries?

You have the power to vote, and to impeach. So why not exercise that RIGHT? Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. No ones liked him, ever. Yet there he is, smiling like an idiot.

First of all, I watched the video and I don't think it was Bush who tasered the kid, but I could be completely blind and not know it.

Second of all, although this comes as a shock and surprise to everyone, America is not based on majority rule. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and "Publius" all wrote extensively against "tryanny of the majority", and designed a constitutional system that was set against majority rule. The fact that we have rights, things that no men or body of men may take away, should right there suggest to you that we are not 'majority rule'.

I like Bush about as much as I liked having dental surgury, and at least I saw a benefitial reason for the former. But just because you dislike a President doesn't give you the authority or justification to impeach him. He has, at the moment, done nothing (that we know of) that are grounds for impeachment. Certainly he has some suspect behavior, but nothing we could pin him for.

It takes Congress to impeach him, and it's a long and grueling process that requires more than a simple majority. Even if the people want him gone it is up to our elites to decide whether his impeachment is necessary or required at this time.

[BlackLantern]

Impeach is to accuse a President of wrongdoing...

1.The House has to pass the Articles of Impeachment by majority vote

2.The Senate must pass the same Articles by majority vote

3. In order to bring a President to trial for impeachment, Congress must have a 2/3 majority in favor of trial

During this process, members of Congress can debate and make cases for or against the Articles and or trial

It's a long, long process and during this time, no other bills or other business gets addressed during this process....

If I'm wrong in the explanantion, anyone please feel free to correct me

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Couldn't agree more with the above post....and nothing is going to happen to Bush when he leaves office. He is simply going to go back to Texas and probably write a book or something....


Is he capable of writing a book? I mean one that doesn't have pictures, pop ups, connect the dots or coloring?

[BlackLantern]

Is he capable of writing a book? I mean one that doesn't have pictures, pop ups, connect the dots or coloring?

maybe it will be ghost written...He'll just leave office and head back to Crawford....

[keith_v]

Actually, Lincoln was the George W. Bush of his day during the Civil War, he barely won re-election, people were getting sick of war, etc.

Then he got shot in the head and everyone loved him.


And don't forget about Winston Churchill. The British hated him during WWII. But now he is considered a hero.

[Zoken]

Is he capable of writing a book? I mean one that doesn't have pictures, pop ups, connect the dots or coloring?
Just because he's a poor public speaker doesn't make him a stupid man. He did graduate from an Ivy league school.

[bullets]

Just because he's a poor public speaker doesn't make him a stupid man. He did graduate from an Ivy league school.



he bought his way through.

[chamber-music]

Just because he's a poor public speaker doesn't make him a stupid man. He did graduate from an Ivy league school.

Any rich kid with his families connections could graduate from an Ivy league school. High Society is incestous. With all their secret societies and under the table deals.

[BlackLantern]

I'm not defending the President by any means, but I find it difficult to believe that Yale University would be bought off by the Bush family, it's not like they need the money there.......

[Zoken]

he bought his way through.

Any rich kid with his families connections could graduate from an Ivy league school. High Society is incestous. With all their secret societies and under the table deals.

What a bleak outlook on humanity.

and Chamber, Did some Ivy League school reject you? So you decide that it must be because you don't have enough money, or you aren't in the right society.

You know, I get confused some times. I hear poor people are incestous, rich people are incestous, they double back on themselves so many times I can't keep track. Conspiracy theory all you want. I just think he's a poor public speaker.