Blast From the Past: The Bush Years on the Hype!

[Immortalfire]

Ok guys and gals, just a few threads from the past for your enjoyment....I of course could not merge all of them it would just be too confusing, but here is a past poll as well as a few threads from the Hypes Political Past...

Enjoy!

Kel





I'm off work today, and wanted to kick back and watch the American institution that is, The Price Is Right. People full of energy, winning prizes displayed by hot babes, and given away by TV icon Bob Barker.

Do I see these things today? No! A freakin presidential press conference is on! Damn you Bush! :cmad:

Dear Mr. President,

Do not pre-empt The Price Is Right!

'fire









:woot:

[Darren Daring]

Pain. Pain he gives me.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yeah, I'll always associate TPIR with illness 'cause the only time I'll ever see it is when I'm sick. So my bones start to ache and I feel sweaty when I see Bob Barker. :(

[Kipobe]

The Price is Right takes place in a parallel universe, where it's always 1971, and people think Ford Focuses are clap-worthy.

:down

[Immortalfire]

Yeah, I'll always associate TPIR with illness 'cause the only time I'll ever see it is when I'm sick. So my bones start to ache and I feel sweaty when I see Bob Barker. :( LoL

[Immortalfire]

The Price is Right takes place in a parallel universe, where it's always 1971, and people think Ford Focuses are clap-worthy.

:down They've given away two Dodge Vipers in the past month, and on occasion they'll roll out a Corvette.

[blind_fury]

Wait until Hugo Chavez hears about this.

[Kipobe]

The plot fell apart for me on that show when the first announcer died of sitting on his fat lazy ass all day yelling at people (now known as 'comondownitus') and Bob got caught molesting the bunnies who model the products that people are playing for. If it weren't for Plinko, and the last mic in the world that still uses a wire, I'd just shoot myself man. And not in a good way.

[Kipobe]

Also, I've watched the show like, thrice. Maybe frice.

[Darren Daring]

everybody has a price is right joke; plaaaaaayed.

[Immortalfire]

They do have laughable prizes though. A piano, fold-up boats, trips to Canada...even among great stuff like campers, real boats, and cash.

[Kipobe]

It's a funny show.

[Kipobe]

They do have laughable prizes though. A piano, fold-up boats, trips to Canada...even among great stuff like campers, real boats, and cash.
I don't get it... are you saying a piano is laughable? :huh:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

They do have laughable prizes though. A piano, fold-up boats, trips to Canada...even among great stuff like campers, real boats, and cash.Let's see the next item up for bid...

A NEW CANDLE BOAT!!!!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/P0538086.jpg

[kane9321]

long live "PLINKO"

[terry78]

George Bush is so evil...

HOW EVIL IS HE?

[tw9876z]

Bush should be on price is right. I would love to see him spin that giant wheel. knowing his luck it would probably come loose and roll around

[Erzengel]

I always feel bad for the runner up because they are always stuck with the sh'tty showcase. You kinda know which one is going to be the good one. When they do a skit, or more in depth set up or some sort of theme, means you have the good one.

When they start up with your showcase begins with a dining room set, that's the crappy one that they always pass up to the Runner Up. So even when you win you still kinda lose. Unless you are within what $100 of the cost of the showcase and win both.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

George Bush is so evil...

HOW EVIL IS HE?

He tho Evul....he walk 5 blocks out hith way to thtep on a dandelion.

[Tsunulia]

He should try some of that weed spray next time.

[jaguarr]

The price is WRONG, *****!

jag

[sinewave]

Before that press conference CNN.com made it seem like Bush was giving some ground-breaking speech on a new strategy that would win the war for the U.S. Turns out he just wanted repeat the same stuff he always says. Silly me for believing the man would actually learn something. :rolleyes:

[comicgirl]

I'm off work today, and wanted to kick back and watch the American institution that is, The Price Is Right. People full of energy, winning prizes displayed by hot babes, and given away by TV icon Bob Barker.

Do I see these things today? No! A freakin presidential press conference is on! Damn you Bush! :cmad:

Dear Mr. President,

Do not pre-empt The Price Is Right!

'fire









:woot:yeah, I hatewhen regular tv is pre-umpted by Dubya looking befuddled.


He preumpted a new Simpsons episode once:cmad:

[Darth Elektra]

I love that show!

Hate bush!

[Darth Elektra]

Bush should be on price is right. I would love to see him spin that giant wheel. knowing his luck it would probably come loose and roll around

lol,:woot: .

[Space Moose]

It's like being raped by an elephant.

But less noisy.

[terry78]

Barker's Beauties. I know old Bob watches himself nowadays, but we all know when the curtain goes down he's back there putting his Plinko chips into their slots. :o

[Immortalfire]

The price is WRONG, *****!

jag Great movie, Happy Gilmore :D

[hippie_hunter]

It's like being raped by an elephant.

But less noisy.

Ugh, don't remind me :csad:

[raybia]

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/news2/2007/01/time_to_remove.html

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I've been fantasizing about the same thing since 2001.
The only difference is that there are actually delusional people out there that think it's possible, such as Lyndon LaRouche Zombies, or the idiots who congregate outside my work to this day, with their flimsy cardboard signs and puny candles, chanting "No.More.WAR! No.More.WAR!"...as if one of the most sociopathic, evil American administrations in history is gonna go,
"OMG! 18 people in downtown Seattle don't like the war...Guess we better pull the plug on it. :csad:"

That's the problem. There comes a point where a government becomes so tyrranical that there is no other option but violent revolution.
(If that sounds "wack-O" please recall that that's what our wonderful country is founded on.:up: )
But now, our carelessness and cowardly desire for "security" above all else have rendered violent revolution literally impossible.

So, they won...really no sense is whining. It's over.

[MaskedManJRK]

I've been fantasizing about the same thing since 2001.
The only difference is that there are actually delusional people out there that think it's possible, such as Lyndon LaRouche Zombies, or the idiots who congregate outside my work to this day, with their flimsy cardboard signs and puny candles, chanting "No.More.WAR! No.More.WAR!"...as if one of the most sociopathic, evil American administrations in history is gonna go,
"OMG! 18 people in downtown Seattle don't like the war...Guess we better pull the plug on it. :csad:"

That's the problem. There comes a point where a government becomes so tyrranical that there is no other option but violent revolution.
(If that sounds "wack-O" please recall that that's what our wonderful country is founded on.:up: )
But now, our carelessness and cowardly desire for "security" above all else have rendered violent revolution literally impossible.

So, they won...really no sense is whining. It's over.

Yeah, hell, the origin of our country's rise to a war is because Britian was raising taxes on TEA, for Christ's sake. If that's a patriotic reason to revolt, then our situation definately fits the bill. :up:

And it is kinda over anyway--we only have a year left of this sick son of a b***h, so the only thing we can hope for is that he doesn't try any last-minute moves and that the next guy that comes in isn't as crazy as this ass-hole.

[Badger]

I've been fantasizing about the same thing since 2001.

The only difference is that there are actually delusional people out there that think it's possible, such as Lyndon LaRouche Zombies, or the idiots who congregate outside my work to this day, with their flimsy cardboard signs and puny candles, chanting "No.More.WAR! No.More.WAR!"...as if one of the most sociopathic, evil American administrations in history is gonna go,

"OMG! 18 people in downtown Seattle don't like the war...Guess we better pull the plug on it. "


That's the problem. There comes a point where a government becomes so tyrranical that there is no other option but violent revolution.

(If that sounds "wack-O" please recall that that's what our wonderful country is founded on. )

But now, our carelessness and cowardly desire for "security" above all else have rendered violent revolution literally impossible.



So, they won...really no sense is whining. It's over.


I have a pitchfork and sledgehammer, well it's a start. :cmad:

[Badger]

Yeah, hell, the origin of our country's rise to a war is because Britian was raising taxes on TEA, for Christ's sake. If that's a patriotic reason to revolt, then our situation definately fits the bill. :up:

And it is kinda over anyway--we only have a year left of this sick son of a b***h, so the only thing we can hope for is that he doesn't try any last-minute moves and that the next guy that comes in isn't as crazy as this ass-hole.

Your history teacher needs to be fired or you need a better understanding of the word 'origin'. Other than that I somewhat agree. :up:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

No dude, initially they were going to call it "Teamerica".

[MaskedManJRK]

Your history teacher needs to be fired or you need a better understanding of the word 'origin'. Other than that I somewhat agree. :up:

I mean one of the things that help started the need for the colonies to want to rise up and be it's own country.

[hippie_hunter]

Not gonna happen, move on and just wait it out 2 more years and hope that the next President is at least somewhat competent.

[Eros]

Please stop spreading propaganda.

[Darth Elektra]

I hate Bush... But we're stuck with him for 2 more years.

Hopefully he'll doom the Republican Party in the 08 election.

[DareDemon]

Someone should teach me how to kick ass like everyone else.

[Mr Sparkle]

Please stop spreading propaganda.

you have to say pretty please.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Pwetty Pretty Pretty Please stop the propaganda. Who wants to see Rudy in office? <raises hand>

[SoulManX]

I've been fantasizing about the same thing since 2001.
The only difference is that there are actually delusional people out there that think it's possible, such as Lyndon LaRouche Zombies, or the idiots who congregate outside my work to this day, with their flimsy cardboard signs and puny candles, chanting "No.More.WAR! No.More.WAR!"...as if one of the most sociopathic, evil American administrations in history is gonna go,
"OMG! 18 people in downtown Seattle don't like the war...Guess we better pull the plug on it. :csad:"

That's the problem. There comes a point where a government becomes so tyrranical that there is no other option but violent revolution.
(If that sounds "wack-O" please recall that that's what our wonderful country is founded on.:up: )
But now, our carelessness and cowardly desire for "security" above all else have rendered violent revolution literally impossible.

So, they won...really no sense is whining. It's over.

:up:

[muertevilla]

they havent censored free communication on the internet yet
once they do that...
then its over, wilhelm

[Canadian Rider]

I watch from Canada and wonder what could be worse ... more years with George ... or the first four with Hillary ....

[Speedball]

I watch from Canada and wonder what could be worse ... more years with George ... or the first four with Hillary ....
LOL!
Yeah...I can't even imagine what it would be like with her in office.
If she were to win, I'm movin' up near you.

[Mr Sparkle]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/uk_heart_of_darkness_meets_apocalypse_now/img/7.jpg
GAME OVER, MAN!!! GAME OVER!!!

[Future Prez]

http://www.iflipflop.com/cheney_short_of_breath.jpg
^The reason Bush should remain in office.

[muertevilla]

yeah i'd hate to see hilary pmsing. and on a serious note: im not mad at bill. i would have cheated on her too.

[Canadian Rider]

Come on in ... but first make sure you have your passport or they won't let you back in ... whooops.

[Speedball]

Come on in ... but first make sure you have your passport or they won't let you back in ... whooops.
LOL!
I've got time...Hopefully I'll be out of the country when the election happens.

[ShadowBoxing]

In a perverted way I want to see how much further he will mess up.

[Taiwarriorz21]

I like PResident Bush...It's my opinion and I have that right! I met him when he came to my church in Baton Rouge after dat hoe KATRINA hit and whipped out alot of places.

[Canadian Rider]

http://www.iflipflop.com/cheney_short_of_breath.jpg
^The reason Bush should remain in office.

Yes SIR! You have that right. We will soon be calling you lovely neighbours to the south ... The United States of Haliburton!

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/BigDog5652004/johnnyb1.jpg

Can I hear an amen brothers and sisters?

[Equinox]

Didn't he just say recently that he is going send more troops no matter what.. He is not even going to listen to Congress..

Well if this isn't dictatorship, then I don't know what is..

For times like these, we need-

http://www.wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/movies/V%20For%20Vendetta%2005%20-%201280x1024.jpg

[mightiest_mortal]

lol... I was in Bristol (quite a while back.. and Yes, IN England) and some people were doing a signed petition to get bush removed from Office.

ITs scary that some people actually believed the US would get rid of their president because a couple of hundred people in England signed against him.

[Speedball]

Didn't he just say recently that he is going send more troops no matter what.. He is not even going to listen to Congress..

Well if this isn't dictatorship, then I don't know what is..

For times like these, we need-

http://www.wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/movies/V%20For%20Vendetta%2005%20-%201280x1024.jpg
Remember, Remember, the fifth of November.
The Gunpowder treason and plot.

[Canadian Rider]

I like PResident Bush...It's my opinion and I have that right! I met him when he came to my church in Baton Rouge after dat hoe KATRINA hit and whipped out alot of places.

He sure did a lot before, during and after to fix things didn't he.

"Boy, that there New Orleans is looking good ..."

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/BigDog5652004/grider_002.jpg

[Wilhelm-Scream]

they havent censored free communication on the internet yet
once they do that...
then its over, wilhelmI disagree.
If this were Colonial pre-America, or even Nazi Germany, they would've restricted the internet.
Horrifyingly the reason they haven't done that is because I'm right.
They don't have to.
Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk all you want.

You could have had 99.9 percent of all Americans polled saying they were strongly against the war.
Wouldn't've mattered.
They were planning to return to Iraq years before Bush was even installed.

[Mr Sparkle]

I like PResident Bush...It's my opinion and I have that right! I met him when he came to my church in Baton Rouge after dat hoe KATRINA hit and whipped out alot of places.

yeah, he seems nice.

what the **** does that have to do with his competence in Leading the US?

[blind_fury]

If a Democrat did all the crap Bush did they would've got impreached along time ago. :whatever:

[comicgirl]

Didn't he just say recently that he is going send more troops no matter what.. He is not even going to listen to Congress..

Well if this isn't dictatorship, then I don't know what is..

For times like these, we need-

http://www.wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/movies/V%20For%20Vendetta%2005%20-%201280x1024.jpg:word: we're stuck with him for now. I wonder if he'll redeem himself out of office by building house for the poor or saving tsunami victims. Somehow, I just can't see Dubya doing that.

[muertevilla]

I disagree.
If this were Colonial pre-America, or even Nazi Germany, they would've restricted the internet.
Horrifyingly the reason they haven't done that is because I'm right.
They don't have to.
Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk all you want.

You could have had 99.9 percent of all Americans polled saying they were strongly against the war.
Wouldn't've mattered.
They were planning to return to Iraq years before Bush was even installed.

yeah i know, but we can do a lot more than talk on here. with open internet communication there is still a way to plan against them. but with odds like the ones you'd be up against, its no use. i know your right but i have to keep hope alive and disagree with you.

[Noir]

http://www.iflipflop.com/cheney_short_of_breath.jpg
^The reason Bush should remain in office.
YOUR GONNA GET RAPED!

[hippie_hunter]

lol... I was in Bristol (quite a while back.. and Yes, IN England) and some people were doing a signed petition to get bush removed from Office.

ITs scary that some people actually believed the US would get rid of their president because a couple of hundred people in England signed against him.

Haven't the English already learned not to do crap like that. Operation Clark County can be blamed for giving Bush the needed victory in Ohio in 2004

[The Overlord]

I like PResident Bush...It's my opinion and I have that right! I met him when he came to my church in Baton Rouge after dat hoe KATRINA hit and whipped out alot of places.

You have the right to your oipinion, that doesn't make your correct. Bush may be a nice guy, but can you prove he is a good President?

[Canadian Rider]

You have the right to your oipinion, that doesn't make your correct. Bush may be a nice guy, but can you prove he is a good President?

Tai likes him because they have a common sense of unity ... and spelling ...

[My name is Travis. I'm 5'10''...170lbs, muscluar built, blue eyes, & brown hair.]

'Nuff said.

[Matt]

Its only 2 more years. If Bush tried to authorize some sort of executive order to keep himself in office, then yeah, I'd have a problem with it...but really, we only have 2 more years. Oh, but wait....of course, the Reptilians will have nuked Israel by then and taken control via WWIII. Where was my mind?

[Matt]

Didn't he just say recently that he is going send more troops no matter what.. He is not even going to listen to Congress..

Well if this isn't dictatorship, then I don't know what is..

For times like these, we need-

http://www.wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/movies/V%20For%20Vendetta%2005%20-%201280x1024.jpg

Like it or not (I sure as hell don't), that is his right as President. Congress has no say over how troops are deployed once they declare war. Now if they cut off funding...well, I'm not sure what would happen then.

[Matt]

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel is now discussing impeachment of Bush. What are your thoughts?

I dislike Bush. I dislike his policies, I think he did horribly short sighted, stupid things to favor special interest...that being said, he has done nothing that warrants impeachment. Having policies that differ from what Americans want is not grounds for impeachment.

I think if impeachment procedures are held against Bush, America will enter an era where following two impeachments for political reasons, impeachment simply becomes a political tool and any time a president has an opposing Congress, impeachment procedures will begin.

What are your thoughts?

[JStorm]

I agree.

I further agree with your "crutch" theory. We, as American's, can not use impeachment as a tool. It's almost like we're whining children throwing dolls out of our playpin when said doll doesn't dance the way we want it too.

Maybe a little too far, but you get the point.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

He should be executed.
He's caused more deaths under false pretenses than any serial murderer ever has.

[Mee]

If he gets impeached doesn't the VP take over? At least temporarily? And we all know who that is.

[jaguarr]

I don't think it's his policies that have people talking about impeachment. I think it's some of the indiscretions he's allowed to go on under his authority like the Plame incident, the WMD in Iraq fiasco which some believe he used to get us into this war under false pretenses, the U.S. Attorney firings, etc., etc. It'll never happen, but it's interesting to watch the Republicans so ready to distance themselves from their fearless leader before the next round of elections that they'd go to these lengths.

jag

[sinewave]

look at it this way, if he were the CEO of a company he definitely would have been fired by now. there should be accountability when you're serving the people. placing loyalty ahead of competency and purposly misleading the public are serious issues. i'd like to see his whole administration ousted, since they obviously don't care about the american people. they're just in it for the power.

[TEDDY]

Well... they did impeach the last president for lying about getting his winky waxed... tis possible.

[Armand Z Trip]

He should be impeached. I still think it'll happen around June. Will it make things better or really change anything, I don't know. There is no winning in this, just degrees of losing.

[Fran]

Well... they did impeach the last president for lying about getting his winky waxed... tis possible.

Clinton didn't get impeached... they WANTED to impeach him, but it never really happened.

[kane9321]

awaits celldogs response in..9.8.7

[Matt]

Clinton didn't get impeached... they WANTED to impeach him, but it never really happened.

Clinton was impeached but not removed from office.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Clinton didn't get impeached... they WANTED to impeach him, but it never really happened.Oh Franny-Wanny

Two presidents have been impeached (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States), although neither were convicted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction). Andrew Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson) was impeached in 1868, then tried and acquitted by one vote by the Senate. Bill Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) was impeached in 1998, then tried and acquitted by the Senate the following year. No U.S. President has ever been removed from office.

[Matt]

look at it this way, if he were the CEO of a company he definitely would have been fired by now. there should be accountability when you're serving the people. placing loyalty ahead of competency and purposly misleading the public are serious issues. i'd like to see his whole administration ousted, since they obviously don't care about the american people. they're just in it for the power.

There is oversight, that is why Bush was up for re-election. He won. We should move on.

[Fran]

I'm not a big political guy, I don't remember much from my Government class senior year. :o

I forgot that impeachment was the process to try and remove the President from office. Whereas I thought impeachment WAS removing him from office.

My bad, fellas.

[Matt]

I don't think it's his policies that have people talking about impeachment. I think it's some of the indiscretions he's allowed to go on under his authority like the Plame incident, the WMD in Iraq fiasco which some believe he used to get us into this war under false pretenses, the U.S. Attorney firings, etc., etc. It'll never happen, but it's interesting to watch the Republicans so ready to distance themselves from their fearless leader before the next round of elections that they'd go to these lengths.

jag

The problem is, there is plausible deniability in all those scenarios. We do not have enough evidence to impeach Bush and it would be a mere political stunt. Then what do you think will happen when Republicans take back Congress with a Democrat president? Impeachment. It will be a never ending cycle. Impeachment should be used for cases like Nixon. Not politics like Clinton and soon to be Bush.

[jaguarr]

Oh Franny-Wanny

Two presidents have been impeached (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States), although neither were convicted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction). Andrew Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson) was impeached in 1868, then tried and acquitted by one vote by the Senate. Bill Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) was impeached in 1998, then tried and acquitted by the Senate the following year. No U.S. President has ever been removed from office.

Had Nixon not resigned when he did, he would have almost certainly would have been removed from office. That's the closest any of them have come, I think.

At any rate, to all these Republicans suddenly jumping on the "Impeach Bush" bandwagon, don't think we won't forget that you a-holes supported all his horrible policies with your voting records. :cmad:

jag

[jaguarr]

The problem is, there is plausible deniability in all those scenarios. We do not have enough evidence to impeach Bush and it would be a mere political stunt. Then what do you think will happen when Republicans take back Congress with a Democrat president? Impeachment. It will be a never ending cycle.

I never said they were provable reasons, I just said that they were the main reasons I keep seeing brought up. Having enough viable evidence to support impeachment over them is another thing entirely. ;)

jag

[Matt]

At any rate, to all these Republicans suddenly jumping on the "Impeach Bush" bandwagon, don't think we won't forget that you a-holes supported all his horrible policies with your voting records. :cmad:

jag

Can't the same be said about practically all pre-2006 class democrats aside from Dennis Kucinich?

[Speedball]

What's the point?
It's not like he's got 4 more years in office.

[StorminNorman]

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel is now discussing impeachment of Bush. What are your thoughts?

I dislike Bush. I dislike his policies, I think he did horribly short sighted, stupid things to favor special interest...that being said, he has done nothing that warrants impeachment. Having policies that differ from what Americans want is not grounds for impeachment.

I think if impeachment procedures are held against Bush, America will enter an era where following two impeachments for political reasons, impeachment simply becomes a political tool and any time a president has an opposing Congress, impeachment procedures will begin.

What are your thoughts?

You hit the nails on the head there, Matt.

If Clinton wasn't impeached - you wouldn't hear half the talk you are currently hearing. Truth be told Bush is most guilty of executing policy that has now lost favor with the American people - if that was all it required to be impeached than Truman would of too, or Abraham Lincoln for that matter.

[Apollo]

then who would take over??

[hippie_hunter]

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel is now discussing impeachment of Bush. What are your thoughts?

I dislike Bush. I dislike his policies, I think he did horribly short sighted, stupid things to favor special interest...that being said, he has done nothing that warrants impeachment. Having policies that differ from what Americans want is not grounds for impeachment.

I think if impeachment procedures are held against Bush, America will enter an era where following two impeachments for political reasons, impeachment simply becomes a political tool and any time a president has an opposing Congress, impeachment procedures will begin.

What are your thoughts?

The problem is, there is plausible deniability in all those scenarios. We do not have enough evidence to impeach Bush and it would be a mere political stunt. Then what do you think will happen when Republicans take back Congress with a Democrat president? Impeachment. It will be a never ending cycle. Impeachment should be used for cases like Nixon. Not politics like Clinton and soon to be Bush.

What's the point?
It's not like he's got 4 more years in office.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about it.

[sinewave]

There is oversight, that is why Bush was up for re-election. He won. We should move on.

there's not enough oversight. bush and cheney have expanded their power to dangerous levels and have used that power to force through their own agenda. the results have been degradation of civil liberties and the alienation of anyone who's not on their side, on a global scale. i don't think impeachment will happen, but it damn sure would be for the best if it did.

[jaguarr]

Can't the same be said about practically all pre-2006 class democrats aside from Dennis Kucinich?

I don't know about ALL, but quite a few of them, yes. I'm an Independent, so I vote against people who's track records go against the grain of what I want to see transpire in this country and in favor of those I think will do a good job of representing those ideals, proven track record or not. The thing about the Republicans, though, is that they've acted as such a tight-knit group for these past 6.5 years and now that being associated with Bush isn't such a great thing, politically, many of them are now attacking him. It's deplorable to me, really. If they had so many problems with his policies and his ethics, why weren't they saying something five years ago?

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I'm not a big political guy, I don't remember much from my Government class senior year. :o

I forgot that impeachment was the process to try and remove the President from office. Whereas I thought impeachment WAS removing him from office.

My bad, fellas.

You'd better hit the books before you try to play in a political thread.

[Matt]

there's not enough oversight. bush and cheney have expanded their power to dangerous levels and have used that power to force through their own agenda. the results have been degradation of civil liberties and the alienation of anyone who's not on their side, on a global scale. i don't think impeachment will happen, but it damn sure would be for the best if it did.

So let me get this straight, Democracy is not enough oversight for you?

[jaguarr]

So let me get this straight, Democracy is not enough oversight for you?

I don't know that the expanded powers this administration have given themselves really leave our system intact as true Democracy, to be honest. It's more of a strange hybrid of dictatorship and Democracy than it is actual Democracy, anymore. Thankfully, Democracy still makes up the larger portion of that equation for the time being.

jag

[Showtime]

If Morty Seinfeld can be impeached as Condo President, then anything is possible...

http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/morty.jpg

[StorminNorman]

I don't know that the expanded powers this administration have given themselves really leave our system intact as true Democracy, to be honest. It's more of a strange hybrid of dictatorship and Democracy than it is actual Democracy, anymore. Thankfully, Democracy still makes up the larger portion of that equation for the time being.

jag

Because Bush is being able to make his own law with a democrat controlled congress, and he never had any trouble with democrat filibusters, even with control of the House and Senate...:confused:

[jaguarr]

Because Bush is being able to make his own law with a democrat controlled congress, and he never had any trouble with democrat filibusters, even with control of the House and Senate...:confused:

The Democratic controlled Congress has only been in place for a short time. And even though he had carte blanch before they came along, there's been a lot of effort by this administration to put more importance in what the White House does than in what the Judicial or Legislative branches are doing. All of Bush's signing statements are a good example of that. The three branches of government are there to balance each other and Bushco has done much to make their portion of the system weigh more than the others, and I dislike that a great deal. I'd feel the same way if it was a Democrat who's policies I wholeheartedly endorsed, because it goes against the grain of what Democracy in this country is supposed to stand for.

jag

[sinewave]

So let me get this straight, Democracy is not enough oversight for you?

not bush's version of democracy. not when he doesn't view the other branches of government as co-equal. not when he ignores the constitution and makes up his own rules. not when he politicizes the justice department or places unqualified candidates in crucial roles due to loyalty. not when it's considered acceptable to abuse power to enact political vendettas or buy off the press to push his agenda. and definitely not when he openly admits to not caring what the american people want. like chuck hagel said, this isn't a monarchy. if the person we elected to run our country has proven himself uncapable of doing that competently and has show such disdain for anyone not on his side, then yes, he deserves to be removed from power.

[gap5ewl]

We might not be able to get Bush since he is merely a pupper president in my opinion. There is however, a lot of evidence we can use against Rove and Cheney and a few others who are the real rulers of this country.

[sinewave]

The Democratic controlled Congress has only been in place for a short time. And even though he had carte blanch before they came along, there's been a lot of effort by this administration to put more importance in what the White House does than in what the Judicial or Legislative branches are doing. All of Bush's signing statements are a good example of that. The three branches of government are there to balance each other and Bushco has done much to make their portion of the system weigh more than the others, and I dislike that a great deal. I'd feel the same way if it was a Democrat who's policies I wholeheartedly endorsed, because it goes against the grain of what Democracy in this country is supposed to stand for.

jag

exactly. i see it as contempt for the other branches. bush and cheney have some radical views of how the government should function, and it goes against the consitution.

[X-Chick]

He might be an idiot, but he hasn't done anything that warrants an impeachment. :huh:

[Showtime]

As far as I know he hasn't done anything to warrant an impeachement despite misteps and miscalculations.

[Gonking]

He should be sentenced to life in prison (and that's because I don't believe in the death sentence)

[Matt]

If Morty Seinfeld can be impeached as Condo President, then anything is possible...

http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/morty.jpg

Morty's impeachment was shenanigans! shenanigans I say!

[Showtime]

Morty's impeachment was shenanigans! shenanigans I say!

Not according to the Boca Breeze.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

He should be executed.
He's caused more deaths under false pretenses than any serial murderer ever has.:up:

[Armand Z Trip]

Not according to the Boca Breeze.


A corrupt organization in the pocket of Jack Klompus!

[ShadowBoxing]

As far as I can tell, outside of being a dolt, he hasn't done anything impeachment worthy. He will hopefully.

[Armand Z Trip]

The Impeach Bush Movement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

rationale

<LI class=toclevel-1>6 Rationales for impeachment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Rationales_for_ impeachment) <LI class=toclevel-2>6.1 NSA warrantless surveillance controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#NSA_warrantless _surveillance_controversy) <LI class=toclevel-2>6.2 2003 invasion of Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#2003_invasion_o f_Iraq) [LIST]<LI class=toclevel-3>6.2.1 Constitutionality of invasion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Constitutionali ty_of_invasion) <LI class=toclevel-3>6.2.2 Justification for invasion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Justification_f or_invasion)
6.2.3 U.N. Charter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#U.N._Charter)<LI class=toclevel-2>6.3 Geneva Conventions controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Geneva_Conventi ons_controversy) <LI class=toclevel-3>6.3.1 Unlawful combatant status (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Unlawful_combat ant_status) <LI class=toclevel-3>6.3.2 Extraordinary rendition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Extraordinary_r endition)
6.3.3 Treatment of detainees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Treatment_of_de tainees)<LI class=toclevel-2>6.4 Leaking of classified information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Leaking_of_clas sified_information) <LI class=toclevel-3>6.4.1 Possible involvement in the CIA leak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Possible_involv ement_in_the_CIA_leak)
6.4.2 Declassifying for political purposes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Declassifying_f or_political_purposes)<LI class=toclevel-2>6.5 Hurricane Katrina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Hurricane_Katri na)
6.6 Abuse of power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Abuse_of_power)

[Cinemaman]

I must agree, Bush have been one of the worst US presidents ever, he sent thousands (from what I read) of troops to Iran and Iraq. He came with war and he will go off with it.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

War is the reason he ran.
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rove were the people who really took power, and they clearly stated in the 90's that they felt we had to use any excuse to return to, and conquer Iraq.
Their favorite scenario for an excuse was "a 'Pearl Harbor' - Type, unprecedented terrorist attack on U.S. soil resulting in many casualties."

Bush TAKES office.

*b00m*, 9/11.


When someone's actions seem to make no sense....( Like, uh...attacking Iraq after 9/11, seeing as how most of the terrorists were Saudi Arabian and Osama Bin Laden LOATHED Saddam Hussein because Iraq was too secular...just like America. :huh: ), there's usually an actual hidden reason that makes perfect sense.

[Showtime]

I must agree, Bush have been one of the worst US presidents ever, he sent thousands (from what I read) of troops to Iran and Iraq. He came with war and he will go off with it.

Cinnamon chiming in on politics. That's what I like to see.

How you been?

[Showtime]

A corrupt organization in the pocket of Jack Klompus!

All because of a stolen rye.

[Cinemaman]

Cinnamon chiming in on politics. That's what I like to see.

How you been?

lol, I just think that Bush didn't change the surrent situation of USA in better way and he used his power to finish the war with Iraq.

Maybe I am wrong, but IMO.

[Showtime]

lol, I just think that Bush didn't change the surrent situation of USA in better way and he used his power to finish the war with Iraq.

Maybe I am wrong, but IMO.

You can't be wrong, it's all opinion. Many people life like you and many people don't. That's what makes politics, politics.

[dpm07]

I believe he should be impeached, but I don't believe Congress has the ballz or the power to make it happen. I can't see two Presidents in a row getting impeached. This would make the US look undignified in the eyes of the world.

Besides, even if Bush were impeached, it would go to the Senate, and it would be a tie, and Cheney would override everything, and nothing would happen to Bush.

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Should he? Yes.

Will he? No.

[Sun_Down]

Clinton got impeached for lying about getting a hummer. Bush lied about a non-existent threat to our country and the resulting conflict has not only cost thousands of lives and billions of taxpayer dollars, but has done serious damage to the country's global image.

I think the answer is pretty obvious.

[PLAS]

2004: we love bush
2007: impeach the phooker

who understands these people?

[Gonking]

I believe he should be impeached, but I don't believe Congress has the ballz or the power to make it happen. I can't see two Presidents in a row getting impeached. This would make the US look undignified in the eyes of the world.

Besides, even if Bush were impeached, it would go to the Senate, and it would be a tie, and Cheney would override everything, and nothing would happen to Bush.

well...you know...

[Dwarf lord]

I don't think it's his policies that have people talking about impeachment. I think it's some of the indiscretions he's allowed to go on under his authority like the Plame incident, the WMD in Iraq fiasco which some believe he used to get us into this war under false pretenses, the U.S. Attorney firings, etc., etc. It'll never happen, but it's interesting to watch the Republicans so ready to distance themselves from their fearless leader before the next round of elections that they'd go to these lengths.

jag

But if his policies were more alligned with the American public and the leaders of congress, I doubt impeachment would ever be brought up. Look through history. Impeachment has really only been brought up when the opposite party of the President has congress.

[CrypticOne]

I say yes. Bush should be impeached for reasons of not serving the American people. He and his administration have done nothing good for the American people. Theres always something going on in his camp. He is by far the worst president, or one of the worst presidents in history.

[Showtime]

Worse than Gerald Ford?

[sinewave]

I believe he should be impeached, but I don't believe Congress has the ballz or the power to make it happen. I can't see two Presidents in a row getting impeached. This would make the US look undignified in the eyes of the world.

Besides, even if Bush were impeached, it would go to the Senate, and it would be a tie, and Cheney would override everything, and nothing would happen to Bush.

undignified? like condoning torture, lying his way into an immoral war, letting one of our major cities flood, outting our own spy to fulfill a political vendetta and replacing qualified government employees with incompetent lackeys wasn't "undignified" enough?

[Spider-Bite]

I'm not sure how I feel about it. i fear it could create a neverending cycle of impeachments, but at the same time I'm not sure if that's a bad thing. It might be a way for the american people to say "your fired" to our presidents if they act like crazy war maniacs. they will have to pamper their careers the same way senators and house representatives do.

I'm not sure. Either way I'm sure if they look close enough they find a long list of impeachable offenses.

[Spidey-Bat]

He should not be impeached and I can't believe 27 people here are stupid enough to think so. Being unpopular is an inappropriate reason for impeachment. Going to war is not one either. Impeachment is to be used when the President commits a serious crime against the country and must be removed from power to preserve the union. It is not to be used to remove an unpopular president.

[DBella]

He should not be impeached and I can't believe 27 people here are stupid enough to think so. Being unpopular is an inappropriate reason for impeachment. Going to war is not one either. Impeachment is to be used when the President commits a serious crime against the country and must be removed from power to preserve the union. It is not to be used to remove an unpopular president.
So... Clinton committed a serious crime against the country by getting a blowjob from an intern. That sure was a threat to national security, wasn't it.

[Gonking]

So... Clinton committed a serious crime against the country by getting a blowjob from an intern. That sure was a threat to national security, wasn't it.

Ditto

[Eros]

undignified? like condoning torture, lying his way into an immoral war, letting one of our major cities flood, outting our own spy to fulfill a political vendetta and replacing qualified government employees with incompetent lackeys wasn't "undignified" enough?

I have to disagree with you on your first claims buddy, first who cares if a bunch of terroist trash are tortured? Second you are aware Bush or anyone else couldn't "let" a city flood. also The war In a Iraq is not immoral, especially when we liberated an oppressed country from a insane dictator.

[Spidey-Bat]

So... Clinton committed a serious crime against the country by getting a blowjob from an intern. That sure was a threat to national security, wasn't it.

Please point out where I said Clinton's impeachment was justified.

And just to get the facts straight, he was impeached for lying, while under oath, about his affair with her.

[Gonking]

^So, Clinton lied about his lover and Bush lied about the existence of weapons of massive destruction and a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam which led to an invasion of a country where thousands of people were killed...mmmmm let me see...

http://www.lexaustralis.com/balanza.gif

[sinewave]

I have to disagree with you on your first claims buddy, first who cares if a bunch of terroist trash are tortured? Second you are aware Bush or anyone else couldn't "let" a city flood. also The war In a Iraq is not immoral, especially when we liberated an oppressed country from a insane dictator.

first of all, it looks pretty hypocritical of us as a country if we denounce terrorists for torturing people and then turn around and do it to them. second, who's to say everyone we torture is even a terrorist? what about that guy in canada who got shipped off to eastern europe to get tortured, only to find out he's just an average citizen with no ties to terrorism. third, if we're going to pretend to be morally superior to everyone, we better damn sure start acting like it.

bush and his incompetent cronies totally dropped the ball on the katrina fiasco. the federal government didn't respond fast enough and didn't handle the situation well when they did get there. plus, the levies were woefully neglected. i'm holding "the decider" accountable since he's in charge.

misleading one country into thinking another country is an "imminent thread" when it's not and invading it for no reason and then getting hundreds of thousands of people killed and millions of lives ruined while destabilizing an already volatile area of the world is goddamn immoral. saddam was bad but he was keeping religious extremism out of iraq and we didn't think he was such a bad guy when we supported him during the iran-iraq war when he commited the crime he was eventually executed for. if we wanted to free a country from a brutal dictator we should have gone to zimbabwe or north korea. hell, we should be helping out with the genocide in darfur if we're such great humanitarians.

[Gonking]

I have to disagree with you on your first claims buddy, first who cares if a bunch of terroist trash are tortured? Second you are aware Bush or anyone else couldn't "let" a city flood. also The war In a Iraq is not immoral, especially when we liberated an oppressed country from a insane dictator.

*human rights*


Someone should liberate United States :whatever:

[DBella]

Please point out where I said Clinton's impeachment was justified.

And just to get the facts straight, he was impeached for lying, while under oath, about his affair with her.
And please point out where I said that you did. Thank you.
If you read my post carefully, you'll see that I was 'answering' to your post. More specifically to the comments in bold.

And Bush did not lie about anything. Right.

[hippie_hunter]

I say yes. Bush should be impeached for reasons of not serving the American people. He and his administration have done nothing good for the American people. Theres always something going on in his camp. He is by far the worst president, or one of the worst presidents in history.

I know that you're going to be shocked at this astonishing fact but being an unpopular, ignorant, incompetent President is not against the law.

And the things that people accuse Bush of doing that are against the law, don't have enough evidence to implicate him.

Sorry, but just like Bill Clinton (even though he did commit a crime he was cornered into doing it) and Andrew Johnson, there just aren't grounds for impeachment.

Not only that the Democratic Congress is very unlikely to impeach Bush. They don't have enough members in the Senate to get rid of him. And the Democrats forced Pelosi to drop the idea of impeachment so that their chances of winning Congress last year would improve.

[Spidey-Bat]

^So, Clinton lied about his lover and Bush lied about the existence of weapons of massive destruction and a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam which led to an invasion of a country where thousands of people were killed...mmmmm let me see...
Can no one read my post? I stated the purpose of impeachment is to remove the President from power when he has committed a serious crime against the country (treason is the best example I can think of off the top of my head). Being unpopular, supporting an unpopular war, and lying about an affair are not the grounds for impeachment. You can view the Iraq War as being motivated by a lie but at the time there was reason to believe Iraq had WMD's (even democrats thought so as well). There aren't but the war also led to the removal of a ruthless dictator. The problem was it opened up a can of worms due to the religious complications from it.

[hippie_hunter]

^So, Clinton lied about his lover and Bush lied about the existence of weapons of massive destruction and a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam which led to an invasion of a country where thousands of people were killed...mmmmm let me see...

http://www.lexaustralis.com/balanza.gif

Bush can use the defense of faulty intelligence on Iraq's weapon's program and considering Saddam's past refusal to disarm, refusal for U.N. weapons inspectors until the last minute, and other foreign intelligence agencies such as the British, Israeli, FRENCH, and other agencies also had evidence that the Baathist regime failed to account over the status of its WMD program.

Also Saddam did have links to al-Qaeda, while they weren't the active participation of terrorism with al-Qaeda that Bush claimed to exist, but they did have a non-agression pact with the terrorist group.

[Kritish]

It will never happen, there's still too many people that love Bush. Especially in my State *cough* Texas *cough*.

[DBella]

As they say: Don't mess with Texas!

[hippie_hunter]

It will never happen, there's still too many people that love Bush. Especially in my State *cough* Texas *cough*.

I never considered a 30% approval rating to be that there's still too many people that love Bush.

[The Chairman]

No, there's no point in throwing him out this late in the game.

[Kritish]

I never considered a 30% approval rating to be that there's still too many people that love Bush.

Most people can't stand him, infact a few decades from now he might be considered one of the worst presidents ever. But he still has some die hard supporters. You should see the "Bush 04" stickers down here.

[hippie_hunter]

Most people can't stand him, infact a few decades from now he might be considered one of the worst presidents ever. But he still has some die hard supporters. You should see the "Bush 04" stickers down here.

That's really sad. And I thought people still having the Kerry '04 stickers were bad.

[Sun_Down]

He should not be impeached and I can't believe 27 people here are stupid enough to think so. Being unpopular is an inappropriate reason for impeachment. Going to war is not one either. Impeachment is to be used when the President commits a serious crime against the country and must be removed from power to preserve the union. It is not to be used to remove an unpopular president.

No one wants to impeach him for being unpopular. We want him impeached for, among other reasons, lying to the American people and using that lie to attack a sovreign nation, which has in turn all but destroyed the country's international image and will undoubtedly lead to aggression against these United States. His radical policies have polarized this country to a point where, even if we don't piss off enough of the world to actually get attacked, we may very well destroy ourselves.

I'd say he should be removed to preserve the union, all right.

[Dwarf lord]

I say yes. Bush should be impeached for reasons of not serving the American people. He and his administration have done nothing good for the American people. Theres always something going on in his camp. He is by far the worst president, or one of the worst presidents in history.

It's very easy to call the current president the worst in history... It's also very cliche. Every administration, there is a large group of people saying they are the worst thing to ever happen to the country.

[Spidey-Bat]

No one wants to impeach him for being unpopular. We want him impeached for, among other reasons, lying to the American people and using that lie to attack a sovreign nation, which has in turn all but destroyed the country's international image and will undoubtedly lead to aggression against these United States. His radical policies have polarized this country to a point where, even if we don't piss off enough of the world to actually get attacked, we may very well destroy ourselves.

I'd say he should be removed to preserve the union, all right.

Yes, the reasons I am seeing so far are pretty much because people disagree. At the time, there was reason to believe Saddam did have WMD's. Even Democrats believed it (look at my sig. It's a real quote). There were none but they succeeded in removing Saddam from power who did have ties to al-Qaeda as hippie_hunter pointed out. His presidency is not going to destroy the country and no country will be attacking us in the near future. There have been presidents 100x worse than Bush in the past (Probably shocking to you but study them. A number of them were far worse). Obviously, they have not caused the US to collapse.

It's very easy to call the current president the worst in history... It's also very cliche. Every administration, there is a large group of people saying they are the worst thing to ever happen to the country.

Sadly that phrase is used all too much. Most people have not even studied the past presidents extensively to realize how much worse a lot of them are than Bush. And you cannot judge a president until years after to see how his presidency has effected the country. Truman ended his presidency with approval ratings of 12-14% (less than half of Bush's current ratings) and he is now ranked in the "near great" category. I'm not saying Bush will be but my point is you cannot give him the extreme label of "worst ever" when he is still in office.

[PLAS]

I say impeach the people who voted for him three years ago

[Addendum]

I found this song (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-13-bush-alqaeda_x.htm) on the Youtube, I think it's kinda funny

As for the "ties" between Al Qaeda and Iraq, I did a search and turned up a few interesting articles.

This article (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-13-bush-alqaeda_x.htm) from USAToday, dated 7-13-03

This article (http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p09s01-codc.html) from the Christian Science Monitor, dated 06-22-04

This article (http://www.counterpunch.org/faruqui03172003.html) by Ahmad Faruqui, dated 3-15-03

And then this article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2727471.stm) from the BBC, dated 02-05-03

And then, the Select Committee on Intelligence on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq. (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/iraq.html)

So my question is, why should I trust what the White House says?

[Arkady Rossovich]

Yes,i belive he should be impeached.I think he has shamed the USA and discrased the American people.

[Spider-Bite]

Can't we impeach him for the exact same crime we impeached Nixon for? Everybody is saying we don't have the grounds. What he did is illegal, and according to the law he's supposed to spend like 5 years in prison.

[sinewave]

abuse of power is grounds for impeachment. there's no way we'd get enough proof together, though. shifty, crooked ****ers...

[Cinemaman]

You can't be wrong, it's all opinion. Many people life like you and many people don't. That's what makes politics, politics.

:) :up:

[CrypticOne]

2004: we love bush
2007: impeach the phooker

who understands these people?

Huh? I never liked Bush. Never. Al Gore should have been president.

[hippie_hunter]

Can't we impeach him for the exact same crime we impeached Nixon for? Everybody is saying we don't have the grounds. What he did is illegal, and according to the law he's supposed to spend like 5 years in prison.

Even if Bush has done illegal activities (which he most likely has), there just isn't enough concrete proof to do it like there was for Nixon or even Clinton.

Also, Nixon wasn't impeached.

[hippie_hunter]

Yes,i belive he should be impeached.I think he has shamed the USA and discrased the American people.

Great, Jourmugand has come to add his two cents in. :o

[Mr Sparkle]

what does "discrased" mean?

[Malus]

what does "discrased" mean?

I think it's a dry-cleaning term. :woot:

[Memphis Slim]

Wow! What a surprise on the vote tallies so far! :whatever:

[The Dark Defender]

Since he's far and away the most miserable excuse for a human being, let alone a leader to ever disgrace the White House, and has caused the most deaths for the least valid of reasons of probably any American in history, and is the modern American version of Hitler (which is actually rather insulting...toward Hitler), impeachment is the least of what should happen to him.

[hippie_hunter]

Since he's far and away the most miserable excuse for a human being, let alone a leader to ever disgrace the White House, and has caused the most deaths for the least valid of reasons of probably any American in history, and is the modern American version of Hitler (which is actually rather insulting...toward Hitler), impeachment is the least of what should happen to him.

Even though I think that Bush is a bad President. It's people like you that are the cause on why I won't support the Bush Haters.

[The Dark Defender]

Even though I think that Bush is a bad President. It's people like you that are the cause on why I won't support the Bush Haters.

And it's people like you that are the cause of why I won't support people like you.
If all you see in Bush is a bad president, I pity you, but not as much as the thousands of people that idiot has gotten killed.

[Twiztid_Klown]

And it's people like you that are the cause of why I won't support people like you.
If all you see in Bush is a bad president, I pity you, but not as much as the thousands of people that idiot has gotten killed.

AWW YEEEAAAHHH, DIS ***** BE STRAIGHT DUMB YO! HIS HILLBILLY ASS BE ON HIS RANCH ENGAGIN' IN SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WIT DEM HORSES, WHILE OUR COUNTRY IS STRAIGHT UP GOIN' TO HELL! I DON'T BELEE' DAT! WE NEED TO GET ONE O' DEM ***** PRESIDENTS UP IN THURR IS WHAT WE ASSES NEED TO DO! WHO DA HELL WANTS BARACK O'BAMA IN THURR YO?!? :word:

[Spidey-Bat]

And it's people like you that are the cause of why I won't support people like you.
If all you see in Bush is a bad president, I pity you, but not as much as the thousands of people that idiot has gotten killed.

What else is there to see other than he is a bad president? Saying those deaths are his responsibility is simply stupid. It's comments like that from people like you that are making this country as ****ed up as it is.

[hippie_hunter]

And it's people like you that are the cause of why I won't support people like you.
If all you see in Bush is a bad president, I pity you.

Yes Bush is a bad President. And I can see why people see why he is a bad person. He has a huge ego and is incredibly arrogant. He's made poor judgements concerning Iraq and it's very possible that he lied to the American people to legitimize his invasion. He values loyalty over competency and surrounded himself with mere yes-men. He's made us look bad around the world. And his Administration is very shady. It's this statement that made me say what I said:

and is the modern American version of Hitler (which is actually rather insulting...toward Hitler), impeachment is the least of what should happen to him.
I'm just going to be blunt and tell you outright on how I think about this particular statement:

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY F**KING RETARDED! HOW F**KING OLD ARE YOU? NINE! Because you are certainly acting with the mentality of a nine year old by making a statement that says comparing Bush to Hitler is insulting to Hitler. If anything, it's insulting to Bush!

How about you go and ask the people of North Korea who are being brutally oppressed under Kim Jong Il's communist regime? When the regime in North Korea used The Diary of Anne Frank to promote it's anti-US policy and compare the United States to Hitler. Buddy Elias, Anne Frank's cousin and last direct relative said this was sickening and that Kim Jong Il is today's Hitler.

Or how about you go look up what Pol Pot did to his people in Cambodia. He killed up to 3 million out of 7 million Cambodians.

Or the people who lived under the reign of Joseph Stalin during his Great Purge where up to 1,000 people were executed daily.

Or why not look up the actual Adolf Hitler who started World War II which resulted in over 60 million deaths and his Holocaust which killed over 9 million people.

Or the people of the Congo where the Belgians resulted in the deaths of up to 10 million people when they colonized the area.

Or Saddam Hussein when he killed up to 200,000 of his own people plus many, many more who were oppressed under his regime

Or the 1 million Tutsis who were killed by the Hutus in Rwanda

And there are other more brutal people who are just as comparable to the actions of Hitler.

In conclusion, all I have to say is: "Grow the f**k up."

[The Dark Defender]

Yes Bush is a bad President. And I can see why people see why he is a bad person. He has a huge ego and is incredibly arrogant. He's made poor judgements concerning Iraq and it's very possible that he lied to the American people to legitimize his invasion. He values loyalty over competency and surrounded himself with mere yes-men. He's made us look bad around the world. And his Administration is very shady. It's this statement that made me say what I said:


I'm just going to be blunt and tell you outright on how I think about this particular statement:

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY F**KING RETARDED! HOW F**KING OLD ARE YOU? NINE! Because you are certainly acting with the mentality of a nine year old by making a statement that says comparing Bush to Hitler is insulting to Hitler. If anything, it's insulting to Bush!

How about you go and ask the people of North Korea who are being brutally oppressed under Kim Jong Il's communist regime? When the regime in North Korea used The Diary of Anne Frank to promote it's anti-US policy and compare the United States to Hitler. Buddy Elias, Anne Frank's cousin and last direct relative said this was sickening and that Kim Jong Il is today's Hitler.

Or how about you go look up what Pol Pot did to his people in Cambodia. He killed up to 3 million out of 7 million Cambodians.

Or the people who lived under the reign of Joseph Stalin during his Great Purge where up to 1,000 people were executed daily.

Or why not look up the actual Adolf Hitler who started World War II which resulted in over 60 million deaths and his Holocaust which killed over 9 million people.

Or the people of the Congo where the Belgians resulted in the deaths of up to 10 million people when they colonized the area.

Or Saddam Hussein when he killed up to 200,000 of his own people plus many, many more who were oppressed under his regime

Or the 1 million Tutsis who were killed by the Hutus in Rwanda

And there are other more brutal people who are just as comparable to the actions of Hitler.

In conclusion, all I have to say is: "Grow the f**k up."

Both Hitler and Bush are heartless *******s that have gotten countless people killed, but atleast Hitler didn't actually claim it was for the good of the very people he was getting killed..

That little outburst of GROW THE **** UP YOU MOTHER****ING RETARD BLAH BLAH BLAH is actually closer to the maturity of someone under the age of 9 btw, though sadly it's still not nearly as stupid and immature as most of what's said by the current president of the United States (I don't need a list of other acts of ruthlessness going on around the world btw, I'm well aware that it isn't limited to a single country or administration, I didn't claim that it was).

[The Dark Defender]

What else is there to see other than he is a bad president? Saying those deaths are his responsibility is simply stupid. It's comments like that from people like you that are making this country as ****ed up as it is.

Actually, it's people that are too stupid and blindly ignorant to see that a president that falsely throws around blame wherever he sees fit in pathetic attempts to justify bs wars for his own selfish reasons, turning the country into an ignorant bully getting thousands including many of our own peope killed and claiming that the deaths aren't his fault is what's making the country as ****ed up as it is.
Bad president is a VERY tamed and generous labeling for Bush at this point.

[Spidey-Bat]

Both Hitler and Bush are heartless *******s that have gotten countless people killed, but atleast Hitler didn't actually claim it was for the good of the very people he was getting killed.

You are a ****ing idiot. Look at pictures of Holocaust victims and tell me Bush is as bad as Hitler.

Actually, it's people that are too stupid and blindly ignorant to see that a president that falsely throws around blame wherever he sees fit in pathetic attempts to justify bs wars for his own selfish reasons, turning the country into an ignorant bully getting thousands including many of our own peope killed and claiming that the deaths aren't his fault is what's making the country as ****ed up as it is.
Bad president is a VERY tamed and generous labeling for Bush at this point.

No. People like you who are so goddamn stupid to compare Bush to the WORST HUMAN BEING IN HISTORY are the ones who are ruining the country.

[The Dark Defender]

You are a ****ing idiot. Look at pictures of Holocaust victims and tell me Bush is as bad as Hitler.

I've seen them, and I never said Hitler wasn't abhorent.

"You are a ****ing idiot."

Wow, brilliant counterpoint. :up: (petty name calling is the easiest way to conceit a defeat in a debate for those too ignorant to realize it btw)

[Spidey-Bat]

I've seen them, and I never said Hitler wasn't abhorent.

Show me pictures of Bush committing similar (or as you believe, worse) atrocities.

"You are a ****ing idiot."

Wow, brilliant counterpoint. :up: (petty name calling is the easiest way to conceit a defeat in a debate for those too ignorant to realize it btw)

Horrible arguments and extreme statements are even easier.

[Twiztid_Klown]

Spider Bat and Hippie Hunter should join forces and become Hippie Bat, or Spider Hunter... or even more accurately, "Stupid Moron".:yay:

[hippie_hunter]

Spider Bat and Hippie Hunter should join forces and become Hippie Bat, or Spider Hunter... or even more accurately, "Stupid Moron".:yay:

:dry:

[The Chairman]

Spider Bat and Hippie Hunter should join forces and become Hippie Bat, or Spider Hunter... or even more accurately, "Stupid Moron".:yay:

Err...someone is comparing Bush, who is simply a bad president, to Hitler, the most vile, sadistic and manipulative man in existence next to The Devil himself, and you're calling them stupid morons?

You and Stormy precious are the reasons why this country is continuing on the road is taking. I'm not a big Bush fan by any means, but at least me and hopefully the rest of the world knows that it's insane to compare Bush to Hitler.

The people who hate Bush as much as you are just as stupid and ignorant as the people who still blindly support him, not to mention Bush himself.

[Spider-Bite]

Even if Bush has done illegal activities (which he most likely has), there just isn't enough concrete proof to do it like there was for Nixon or even Clinton.

Also, Nixon wasn't impeached.


yeah but he's already admitted he's doing that.

[Spider-Bite]

I think the Bush Hitler comparison is ridiculous. There are always war supporters on both sides of the fence, but Hitler is a different story.

[hippie_hunter]

yeah but he's already admitted he's doing that.

When did he admit to doing illegal activities :huh:

[Sun_Down]

Yes, the reasons I am seeing so far are pretty much because people disagree. At the time, there was reason to believe Saddam did have WMD's. Even Democrats believed it (look at my sig. It's a real quote). There were none but they succeeded in removing Saddam from power who did have ties to al-Qaeda as hippie_hunter pointed out.

Pardon my French, but I don't give a damn if John Kerry voted for the war. In fact, I could care less if the entire Congress approved the resolution unanimously. I did not believe in it for one second. And if you honestly think that people like Kerry supported that war for any other reason than to avoid political stigma, you are incredibly naive.

There were no WMDS, period. And frankly, I'm insulted every time this White House tries to shift focus away from that fact. First this war was about Saddam having WMD's, then...whoops! There weren't any. Suddenly, this war was about terrorism. The Bush propaganda machine succeeded in convincing a startling amount of people that Saddam was involved in 9/11 because apparently the average American doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan. Then came my favorite new reason for the war : "spreading Democracy". No more mentions of WMDs or even terrorism, this war simply became an altruistic mission of peace. It's strange though, how only countries with oil deserve freedom. Hmmm....

And these days, the big word is "success". Every day the White House spouts this broken record rhetoric of "winning" this war. But what the hell are we even fighting for? Is it WMDs, terrorism, democracy, Haliburton?

His presidency is not going to destroy the country and no country will be attacking us in the near future. There have been presidents 100x worse than Bush in the past (Probably shocking to you but study them. A number of them were far worse). Obviously, they have not caused the US to collapse.


He got us into an international catastrophe of the same magnitude (if not much greater) than Vietnam. He thinks he's the emperor of the known world. He supports and even spearheads blantantly homophobic rhetoric and policies. His foreign policy is laughable. He can hardly verbalize a logical thought. He's sacrificed the needs of the people for the benefit of special interest groups. His response to Katrina was a joke. And his cabinet has been implicated in a never-ending stream of scandals and crimes.

Don't insult my intelligence by telling me to study presidential history when you obviously haven't studied a newspaper or non-FOX news telecast in the last decade.

[Kritish]

That's really sad. And I thought people still having the Kerry '04 stickers were bad.

I think that people with any political bumper sticker are pretty sad.
I'm sure that Celldog has half a dozen of them.

[CrypticOne]

I don't know why everybody is comparing Bush to Hitler. Unlike Hitler, Bush is stupid. Hitler was a pretty smart guy. Bush on the other hand, shall we say, is not a good leader. Hitler had all his people behind him, well most of them. Most of America is not behind Bush.

[hippie_hunter]

I think that people with any political bumper sticker are pretty sad.
I'm sure that Celldog has half a dozen of them.

I concur. Especially since they get outdated very quickly and outdated bumper stickers are the worst.

[Kritish]

I concur. Especially since they get outdated very quickly and outdated bumper stickers are the worst.

I know a woman that has a Bush one from 2000. :woot: She's a total neo-con though.

[hippie_hunter]

I know a woman that has a Bush one from 2000. :woot: She's a total neo-con though.

LMAO :woot:

[Kritish]

LMAO :woot:

But I've got that beat, one day down the highway I saw a Clinton one on a old rusted van. :woot:

[Lighthouse]

I think he should be impeached if he is found to having ties with the outting of the CIA spy. I don't throw the word treason around a lot, but whoever outted her commited treason and should be punished accordingly.

[Kritish]

Err...someone is comparing Bush, who is simply a bad president, to Hitler, the most vile, sadistic and manipulative man in existence next to The Devil himself, and you're calling them stupid morons?

You and Stormy precious are the reasons why this country is continuing on the road is taking. I'm not a big Bush fan by any means, but at least me and hopefully the rest of the world knows that it's insane to compare Bush to Hitler.

The people who hate Bush as much as you are just as stupid and ignorant as the people who still blindly support him, not to mention Bush himself.

Thanks, it's about time that someone looked at this without looking like a dick head. Bush is nothing more but a bad president, just like Nixon was.
Bush hasn't tried to exterminate entire ethnic groups nor has he tried to breed a super race. People that compate the two are idiots. I'll take that back the moment Bush exterminates over 25 million people.

[hippie_hunter]

Thanks, it's about time that someone looked at this without looking like a dick head. Bush is nothing more but a bad president, just like Nixon was.
Bush hasn't tried to exterminate entire ethnic groups nor has he tried to breed a super race. People that compate the two are idiots. I'll take that back the moment Bush exterminates over 25 million people.

Nixon wasn't a horrible President. He led the United States in a period of detente with the Soviet Union. Normalized relations with China. Supported space exploration. Supported the civil rights movement and beleived that the law must be color-blind even if he was a racist. Established the EPA.

He's done good things. His problem was that he was a complete and total crook. Which drags him down....A LOT.

[Motown Marvel]

i think bush should be impeached so maybe the media will finally stop talking about anna nicole smith.

[Spider-Bite]

When did he admit to doing illegal activities :huh:
he admitted to the wire tapping without warrants which is illegal. He just claims it's necessary, but the law says "with warrants" and not "when necessary" so technically he did commit a felony according to the law.

[TNC9852002]

How did he win that last election anyway?

-TNC

[Vilya]

It will never happen, there's still too many people that love Bush. Especially in my State *cough* Texas *cough*.

Till they send texas sons over there one by one.:dry:

No, there's no point in throwing him out this late in the game.

True, it will not repair the damage already done.

Bush and his administration are the most incompetent ones i have seen, period.

[Superman]

How did he win that last election anyway?

-TNCHe lied his ass off and 51% of the dumb asses in the U.S. believed him.

[lazur]

I don't think it's his policies that have people talking about impeachment. I think it's some of the indiscretions he's allowed to go on under his authority like the Plame incident, the WMD in Iraq fiasco which some believe he used to get us into this war under false pretenses, the U.S. Attorney firings, etc., etc. It'll never happen, but it's interesting to watch the Republicans so ready to distance themselves from their fearless leader before the next round of elections that they'd go to these lengths.
jag

The Plame incident had nothing to do with Bush. Aside from that, there was no wrong doing found *except* for one guy lying about what he said to the media, and even it is even open to interpretation as to whether or not lying to the media is even a crime.

I won't even get into the WMD/Iraq discussion, since like 98% of all politicians in D.C. believed/wanted the same thing, irrespective of what side of the aisle they sat on at the time.

There may be some leverage on the firings of U.S. Attorneys, but I doubt that'd go further than Gonzales.

[Erundur]

When someone's actions seem to make no sense....( Like, uh...attacking Iraq after 9/11, seeing as how most of the terrorists were Saudi Arabian and Osama Bin Laden LOATHED Saddam Hussein because Iraq was too secular...just like America. :huh: ), there's usually an actual hidden reason that makes perfect sense.

Erm... Saudi was scared Iraq would invade after Kuwait, and didn't want anyone to take its special oil, so the Saudi Monarchy called on his good buddy (Bush Sr.) and allowed the U.S. to put an Army base in Saudi Arabia, pushing Bin Laden from a "Very Orthodox Muslim" to a "Extremist"

As for impeachment...Yes.

[hippie_hunter]

How did he win that last election anyway?

-TNC

Gay marriage and the fact that Kerry was just as crappy.

[hippie_hunter]

he admitted to the wire tapping without warrants which is illegal. He just claims it's necessary, but the law says "with warrants" and not "when necessary" so technically he did commit a felony according to the law.

Except the USA PATRIOT Act legalizes unwarranted wiretaps. The only way it is going to become illegal once again is if Congress repeals the act (which I hope so) or if the Supreme Court judges on its obvious unconstitutionality (which I doubt will happen).

You really can't prosecute someone who used a law to the fullest extent when it was around. It would be like prosecuting someone for using segregation when it was legal. Or someone who denied someone an abortion before abortion was fully legalized.

[Antonello Blueberry]

You hit the nails on the head there, Matt.

If Clinton wasn't impeached - you wouldn't hear half the talk you are currently hearing. Truth be told Bush is most guilty of executing policy that has now lost favor with the American people - if that was all it required to be impeached than Truman would of too, or Abraham Lincoln for that matter.
Until someone demonstrates that Bush knew that all the WMD in Iraq stuff was fake. Or better fabricated on orders from someone in his circle of friends.

[Spider-Bite]

Except the USA PATRIOT Act legalizes unwarranted wiretaps. The only way it is going to become illegal once again is if Congress repeals the act (which I hope so) or if the Supreme Court judges on its obvious unconstitutionality (which I doubt will happen).

You really can't prosecute someone who used a law to the fullest extent when it was around. It would be like prosecuting someone for using segregation when it was legal. Or someone who denied someone an abortion before abortion was fully legalized.


yes but according to the constitution no new laws can overide previously passed laws. the previously passed law must first be repealed.

[hippie_hunter]

yes but according to the constitution no new laws can overide previously passed laws. the previously passed law must first be repealed.

True, but if he ever does go through impeachment hearings, it probably won't be for this one.

[Spidey-Bat]

Pardon my French, but I don't give a damn if John Kerry voted for the war. In fact, I could care less if the entire Congress approved the resolution unanimously. I did not believe in it for one second. And if you honestly think that people like Kerry supported that war for any other reason than to avoid political stigma, you are incredibly naive.

People who said he lied make it seem like he completely made it up. The truth is there was serious suspicion and other political figures believed it as well. If you say he's lying, guys like Kerry who thought the same are lying.

He got us into an international catastrophe of the same magnitude (if not much greater) than Vietnam. He thinks he's the emperor of the known world. He supports and even spearheads blantantly homophobic rhetoric and policies. His foreign policy is laughable. He can hardly verbalize a logical thought. He's sacrificed the needs of the people for the benefit of special interest groups. His response to Katrina was a joke. And his cabinet has been implicated in a never-ending stream of scandals and crimes.

Don't insult my intelligence by telling me to study presidential history when you obviously haven't studied a newspaper or non-FOX news telecast in the last decade.

I can't insult your intelligence; you don't have one. Seriously, look up some presidents who are worse than Bush. I am not defending him. Yes, all of that stuff is bad but when you look at history, he's far from being the worst president ever.

[FunBobPants]

wow. you know, ive been one of the most avid bush supporters over the years, but now, i just think he's, well, frankly an idiot

[Spider-Bite]

People who said he lied make it seem like he completely made it up. The truth is there was serious suspicion and other political figures believed it as well. If you say he's lying, guys like Kerry who thought the same are lying.


correction. If you say Bush was lying, then guys like Kerry were lied to. Your also forgetting about all the bull##it that comes with politics. When Bush lied to the voters and got the country worked up into a scare frenzy that pretty much sealed it for people like Kerry. They were politically cornered into voting to authorize the use of force. If they voted against it, they would have been replaced by people who would have voted for it anyways. The war would have went on.
A democrat president wouldn't have done that.

[nosebleed.]

correction. If you say Bush was lying, then guys like Kerry were lied to. Your also forgetting about all the bull##it that comes with politics. When Bush lied to the voters and got the country worked up into a scare frenzy that pretty much sealed it for people like Kerry.

It was pretty convenient that right before the elections, another Bin Laden tape showed up and forecasted more terror for the world.

[sinewave]

correction. If you say Bush was lying, then guys like Kerry were lied to. Your also forgetting about all the bull##it that comes with politics. When Bush lied to the voters and got the country worked up into a scare frenzy that pretty much sealed it for people like Kerry. They were politically cornered into voting to authorize the use of force. If they voted against it, they would have been replaced by people who would have voted for it anyways. The war would have went on.
A democrat president wouldn't have done that.

exactly. there's plenty of evidence that bush and his administration bolstered the case for war with false info, like the claim about saddam pursuing uranium from niger or the claim that mohamed atta met with iraqi officials. that's the kind of stuff he used to fool congress into voting for the war. granted, those who voted in favor of it should have done their own research into it, but the administration was plowing ahead and made it seem as though an attack from iraq was imminent. it was a total con job.

off topic, 10,000!!!

[Spidey-Bat]

correction. If you say Bush was lying, then guys like Kerry were lied to. Your also forgetting about all the bull##it that comes with politics. When Bush lied to the voters and got the country worked up into a scare frenzy that pretty much sealed it for people like Kerry. They were politically cornered into voting to authorize the use of force. If they voted against it, they would have been replaced by people who would have voted for it anyways. The war would have went on.
A democrat president wouldn't have done that.

Guys like Kerry still spoke about it like it was true. In my view, that is no different than what Bush did.

[The Chairman]

Nixon wasn't a horrible President. He led the United States in a period of detente with the Soviet Union. Normalized relations with China. Supported space exploration. Supported the civil rights movement and beleived that the law must be color-blind even if he was a racist. Established the EPA.

He's done good things. His problem was that he was a complete and total crook. Which drags him down....A LOT.

If it weren't for Watergate, Nixon would easily be ranked among the best IMO. Nixon also was a big force in stopping the draft. And he was going to shorten the school and work week to 4 days instead of 5 days had he not been brought to trial. ****ing Congress.

[sinewave]

Report: Administration was warned of Iraq war dangers
POSTED: 10:42 a.m. EDT, May 24, 2007

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. intelligence agencies warned the Bush administration in early 2003 that invading Iraq could create internal conflict that would give Iran and al Qaeda new opportunities to expand their influence, according to an upcoming Senate report.

Officials familiar with the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation also say analysts warned against U.S. domination in the region, which could increase extremist recruiting.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the report's declassification is not finished. It could be made public as soon as this week.

The committee also found that the warnings predicting what would happen after the U.S.-led invasion were circulated widely in government, including to the Defense Department and the Office of the Vice President. It wasn't clear whether President Bush was briefed.

Asked to comment on Wednesday evening, the White House's National Security Council did not directly respond to the report's findings that intelligence analysts predicted many of the troubles ahead in Iraq before the invasion.

Spokesman Gordon Johndroe said Iran must stop providing training and weapons to fighters there. "We also continue to take the fight to al Qaeda, who are trying to destabilize Iraq and create a safe haven to plan attacks on the U.S. and our allies," he added.

The report comes as the administration is facing renewed criticism for failing to execute adequate post-invasion plans to stabilize Iraq after Saddam Hussein was toppled. Meanwhile, the White House has been trying to make the case that Iraq cannot be abandoned.

The committee's findings are the latest chapter in its four-year investigation into the prewar intelligence assessments on Iraq. An earlier volume, completed and released in 2004, was highly critical of the intelligence community and then-CIA Director George Tenet.

That 511-page document found widespread problems throughout U.S. spy agencies and said the intelligence community engaged in "group think" by failing to challenge the assumption that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Senators also found that analysts failed to explain their uncertainties to policymakers.

Yet, in predicting the effects of the U.S. invasion, the committee now finds that U.S. analysts appear to have largely been on the mark.

A former intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the decision to go to war had been made months before the 2003 papers were drafted and analysts had no delusions that they were going to head off military action. Rather, the official said, they hoped their warnings would be considered in the planning.

Since the release of his memoir several weeks ago, Tenet has been criticized anew for not doing more to warn Bush about the shaky Iraq intelligence and the consequences of invading. (Read about one ex-CIA officer's criticism of Tenet)

Yet his book provided a glimpse of some of the prewar warnings about the consequences of invading Iraq.

For instance, he discusses a paper prepared for a Camp David meeting with the president in September 2002 entitled, "The Perfect Storm: The Negative Consequences for Invading Iraq."

Tenet called the paper a list of "worst-case scenarios," which included anarchy and territorial breakup of Iraq and a surge of global terrorism against U.S. interests, fueled by deepening Islamic antipathy toward the United States.

He also notes that, in an early 2003 intelligence paper, analysts warned that "a post-Saddam authority would face a deeply divided society with a significant chance that domestic groups would engage in violent conflict with each other, unless an occupying force prevented them from doing so."

The paper, which is believed to figure in the Senate investigation, also noted that Iraq's long history of foreign occupation means that it has a deep dislike of occupying forces.

Since 2003, the Senate committee -- led by Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, and now Jay Rockefeller, D-West Virginia -- has been trudging through its investigation of what went wrong, frequently slowed by politics.

Last fall, the committee released new chapters on what was learned after the invasion about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and its links to terrorism and how information from an advocacy group, the Iraqi National Congress, crept into U.S. intelligence reporting.

While the first phase of its report was supported unanimously just before the 2004 presidential elections, the newer findings on the intelligence community's predictions about postwar Iraq have drawn dissent from Republicans. Details on the committee's vote have not yet been released.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/24/iraq.missed.warnings.ap/index.html

This is probably a no-brainer for most of us, but it's nice to get some actual proof of it.

[Immortalfire]

Bush is speaking on CBS right now, when The Price Is Right is supposed to be on :cmad:

[jaguarr]

I am not sitting here with a look of shock and surprise on my face.

jag

[sinewave]

I am not sitting here with a look of shock and surprise on my face.

jag

that's probably because you hate america. :dry:

at least now we can say, unequivocally, that it wasn't the intelligence agencies' fault and that the administration was lying when they claimed, "we all saw the same intelligence" or "we all thought the intelligence was good".

[jaguarr]

that's probably because you hate the people running america. :dry:

at least now we can say, unequivocally, that it wasn't the intelligence agencies fault and that the administration was lying when they claimed, "we all saw the same intelligence" or "we all thought the intelligence was good".

Fixed that for ya. And, yeah, they are dirty, lying bastard motherf**ker sonsa*****es and I'm amazed that ANYONE on the planet is still stupid enough to believe anything that comes out of their brains whether in verbal or written form.

jag

[PhotoJones]

I can't wait to see how the administration spins this.

[sinewave]

I can't wait to see how the administration spins this.

let's see if karl rove can **** out some gold and really earn his reputation.

[Darthphere]

I thought you were dead.

[PhotoJones]

They won't even try. Either they will throw out another "Stay the Course" type catchphrase, or they won't comment at all b/c God knows there's no need for them to even attempt to answer to the American people.

I'm guessing the latter. I wouldn't be surprised if there's no response at all. Maybe, by sheer coincidence of course, something "more newsworthy" will spring up.

[LastSunrise1981]

I wonder where Lazur is? I'm sure he'll come into this thread pretty soon to express his admiration for Bush and will spin, defend, and call this a typical liberal report that has the American people brainwashed.

But in all seriousness, is this really a surprise? I realize that when the Republicans had control of the Senate and the House none of this was coming to light. However, why is all of it coming out now? It would've been a great help if all of this came out before he was elected and re-elected.

In the end though I'm glad he's constantly being exposed and people are seeing him for the lying coward he is.

[Matt]

Isn't this old news? Didn't Bush Sr.'s memoirs warn of the dangers in Iraq?

[Eros]

war is war, when you go to war anything is possible, men and women go to war knowing they might die, or cause even more problems, but they go anyway.

[blind_fury]

Isn't this old news? Didn't Bush Sr.'s memoirs warn of the dangers in Iraq?

Yeah Bush Sr told many people who wanted to overthrow Saddam that it would be a disaster due to the sectarian differences way back in 1991.

[Arkady Rossovich]

People already know this,but Bush pretends to try and shrug off responcibility.

[PhotoJones]

People already know this,but Bush pretends to try and shrug off responcibility.

Pretends? As in, he actually doesn't?

[tomahawk53]

you mean to tell me that...(gulp)....war isn't easy?

As the comic book guy from the Simpson's said:
[quote] There is no emoticon to express what I'm feeling[\quote]

[demento]

I am not sitting here with a look of shock and surprise on my face.

jag
I'm Jag's look of shock and surprise.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Check what George's own daddy said about invading Iraq:

"Trying to eliminate Saddam .. would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible ... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq ...there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

[sinewave]

war is war, when you go to war anything is possible, men and women go to war knowing they might die, or cause even more problems, but they go anyway.

wrong. he was warned about the consequences but decided to ignore those wanrings and is paying the price. quit trying to shrig it off. iraq wasn't an imminent threat. we were lied to and hundreds of thousands of people are paying the price for this adminstration's deceit and incompetence.

you mean to tell me that...(gulp)....war isn't easy?

As the comic book guy from the Simpson's said:
There is no emoticon to express what I'm feeling

i'd expect better from you than the tired "war is hell" schitck. you know damn good and well this war was not necessary and bush new it.

[PhotoJones]

HAHAHA!

All the conservative responses are hilarious.

"Well...war is hell."

[Mr Sparkle]

you mean to tell me that...(gulp)....war isn't easy?



no, we mean to tell you that in this specific case war was pointless, unwarranted and ill advised.
all the things that war shouldn't be.

cuz war is hell, so engaging in one has to be a matter very carefully considered.

[Docker2.0]

Fixed that for ya. And, yeah, they are dirty, lying bastard motherf**ker sonsa*****es and I'm amazed that ANYONE on the planet is still stupid enough to believe anything that comes out of their brains whether in verbal or written form.

jag

That's the thing! Bush can do no wrong in some people's eyes! They will justify this! I still don't have a clue on how he stole/won the reelection! I know the world must think americans are idiots to let a madman who is really Saddam's equal, but just spins the correct terms out so that some people won't get offended. The Patriot act, fighting for freedoms, all that crap that has come out during the last 7 years is political bs that has really cost us a lot of our freedoms. There is no more free speech now, and it basically has made racial profiling legal. God I'm praying to You that Obama or Clinton gets into office. Yeah, I know some people are goign to say those are horrible choices but Obama I can relate to, Hilary has a husband who is arguebly the greatest President by the people in history.

[ProjectPat2280]

That's the thing! Bush can do no wrong in some people's eyes! They will justify this! I still don't have a clue on how he stole/won the reelection! I know the world must think americans are idiots to let a madman who is really Saddam's equal, but just spins the correct terms out so that some people won't get offended. The Patriot act, fighting for freedoms, all that crap that has come out during the last 7 years is political bs that has really cost us a lot of our freedoms. There is no more free speech now, and it basically has made racial profiling legal. God I'm praying to You that Obama or Clinton gets into office. Yeah, I know some people are goign to say those are horrible choices but Obama I can relate to, Hilary has a husband who is arguebly the greatest President by the people in history.

HAHA! Wow, just wow. I mean the worst part of all that, is I'm afraid you actually believe that. HAHA! I mean, i cant stop laughing, you actually think Bush and Saddam are equals, hahahahaha. Please, hahahahahaha. Ok. Ok i think I'm under control, wait no, hahahahahaha.

I'm not sure what country you live in, but our freedoms haven't gone anywhere. Now, as young uneducated individual like yourself, you are probably pissed that your last underage drinking party got busted so you whine and ***** at how "the man" is all about ruining your fun. based on your little rant, it seems to me that you really dislike the government. You hate how some of our freedoms are being "taken away" (which they are not, you're just looking for an excuse) so why would YOU want an individual who wants more government control(ie Obama and Clinton)??? I don't think Bush is perfect, hell far from it. I also dont think the Republicans have done everything the way they should have, i mean damn, they are spending money like crazy, but if you want to form a real argument, the comparison of Bush to Nazis or Saddam just doesn't fly. All it does is prove that you're a moron. Any way, I'm not gonna really get into a deep argument about this because you aren't intelligent enough to form a complete argument. That might not be totally your fault, so i don't blame you too much.

[Docker2.0]

Your tag is anti-hilary so please.........your argument doesn't really stand ground.

And I can say I'm against the patriot act becuase being a minority who is constantly pulled over for crazy reasons becuase I fit a certain profile. The Patriot act is nothing but a cleaner act of racial profiling........period. :o

[Darthphere]

Yeah but you know, war is hell.

[jaguarr]

Your tag is anti-hilary so please.........your argument doesn't really stand ground.

And I can say I'm against the patriot act becuase being a minority who is constantly pulled over for crazy reasons becuase I fit a certain profile. The Patriot act is nothing but a cleaner act of racial profiling........period. :o

Quit looking suspicious and we'll quit pulling you over! :cmad:

jag

[MaskedManJRK]

Your tag is anti-hilary so please.........your argument doesn't really stand ground.

And I can say I'm against the patriot act becuase being a minority who is constantly pulled over for crazy reasons becuase I fit a certain profile. The Patriot act is nothing but a cleaner act of racial profiling........period. :o

Hell, the Patriot Act isn't just racial profiling, it's giving the government the ability to go into your lives and take out those they don't like. They can search everything you have without a warrant, charge you for any crime, and since they label all crime as a form of terrorism, they could lock you up in jail indefinately without a lawyer or without any reason.

Is it possible that this government hasn't used this on it's citizens? Sure. But, I don't like giving ANY form of government THAT much power.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and this is the most absolute power the government can get.

[PhotoJones]

Anyone notice the lack of Celldog and StorminNorman posts in here? :cwink:

[Docker2.0]

Quit looking suspicious and we'll quit pulling you over! :cmad:

jag

You know what, I can NEVER disagree with you! You are my favorite poster! If you had a fan club on SHH, I would be a gold member! :woot:


Lame, huh? :csad:

[sinewave]

Anyone notice the lack of Celldog and StorminNorman posts in here? :cwink:

yep, and where's "the great moderate", aka lazur?

[ProjectPat2280]

Your tag is anti-hilary so please.........your argument doesn't really stand ground.

And I can say I'm against the patriot act because being a minority who is constantly pulled over for crazy reasons because I fit a certain profile. The Patriot act is nothing but a cleaner act of racial profiling........period. :o



HAH! Oh, so i have to think that everything coming from the left is righteous law? Wow, you really didn't help yourself on that one.
About you being pulled over, cry me a f'ing river, you really think this administration is the reason for your "inconvenience"? Next time, try NOT to break the law.

[Darthphere]

ProjectPat is just mad that he's 2280 of a long line of bad posters.

[Docker2.0]

Hell, the Patriot Act isn't just racial profiling, it's giving the government the ability to go into your lives and take out those they don't like. They can search everything you have without a warrant, charge you for any crime, and since they label all crime as a form of terrorism, they could lock you up in jail indefinately without a lawyer or without any reason.

Is it possible that this government hasn't used this on it's citizens? Sure. But, I don't like giving ANY form of government THAT much power.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and this is the most absolute power the government can get.

I feel you and I agree with you on ALL aspect, but you have to ask yourself who has been hurt the most by this: minorities! I'm not even one to use the race card that much but how many latinos and blacks have had this used against them, not cuase of terror related things but suspicious behavior? :confused:
But you are right though! Either way you look at it, the act is pretty f-ed up the way it's being used!

[ProjectPat2280]

Hell, the Patriot Act isn't just racial profiling, it's giving the government the ability to go into your lives and take out those they don't like. They can search everything you have without a warrant, charge you for any crime, and since they label all crime as a form of terrorism, they could lock you up in jail indefinately without a lawyer or without any reason.

Is it possible that this government hasn't used this on it's citizens? Sure. But, I don't like giving ANY form of government THAT much power.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and this is the most absolute power the government can get.

You really couldn't be ANY more wrong. Go back and re-read the Act, that is if you can understand just what it is you are reading.

For arguments sake, lets say this act really is just as evil as you think. Ok so the govt is listening to your phone calls. What exactly are you afraid of? What is it you have to hide? Do you honestly think the govt gives two *****s about your conversation if it has nothing to do with national security? Come on man, grow up.

[Docker2.0]

HAH! Oh, so i have to think that everything coming from the left is righteous law? Wow, you really didn't help yourself on that one.
About you being pulled over, cry me a f'ing river, you really think this administration is the reason for your "inconvenience"? Next time, try NOT to break the law.

You have got to be one of the dumbest freakin posters I have seen on SHH! I have NEVER been convicted of a crime, nor have I spent any time any jail, I have a Bachelor's degree in nursing and have managed a medical department in a jail AND a prison, but yet I still get pulled over, but once they find out who I am or what I do, I'm "given a break". That being said, I'd be a fool to say that if it happens to me, no telling what happens to the guys who REALLY fit the profile but lack the funds to get out of trouble. It's obvious you can't truly relate to certain communities who the act affects the most but I'm not forgetting where I come from or what I see. :o

[ProjectPat2280]

You have got to be one of the dumbest freakin posters I have seen on SHH! I have NEVER been convicted of a crime, nor have I spent any time any jail, I have a Bachelor's degree in nursing and have managed a medical department in a jail AND a prison, but yet I still get pulled over, but once they find out who I am or what I do, I'm "given a break". That being said, I'd be a fool to say that if it happens to me, no telling what happens to the guys who REALLY fit the profile but lack the funds to get out of trouble. It's obvious you can't truly relate to certain communities who the act affects the most but I'm not forgetting where I come from or what I see. :o

Haha. With the reading comprehension you have displayed, i think your "Bachelors degree in nursing" is complete bull*****. I don't think i said you were arrested, no, in fact I'm certain i didn't. You cant comprehend what the act states, so stop pretending.

[ProjectPat2280]

ProjectPat is just mad that he's 2280 of a long line of bad posters.


Ohh good post. Take ya long to come up with that one?

[Darthphere]

Ohh good post. Take ya long to come up with that one?

Not really, it's fairly easy for me to insult someone.:o

[jaguarr]

Don't feed the troll, kids. :up:

jag

[sinewave]

Not really, it's fairly easy for me to insult someone.:o

well, let's be fair, it's really not challenging with the type of material ol' pat throws out there.

[Docker2.0]

Not really, it's fairly easy for me to insult someone.:o

Get him Darth! :cmad:

[Darthphere]

Don't feed the troll, kids. :up:

jag

I'll put you on ignore.:cmad:

[ProjectPat2280]

well, let's be fair, it's really not challenging with the type of material ol' pat throws out there.

Ooops, i forgot, im supposed to yell stuff like "Bush is a Nazi, booooo" "I have no more freedoms, boooo". Yea, those are GREAT arguments :whatever:

[Mee]

Don't feed the troll, kids. :up:

jag
Can I poke it? :o :csad: