Episode 06: "Better Halves" discussion thread

[The Squirrel]

Here's NBC's official write-up from the episode:

TWO HEROES TOGETHER ARE STRONGER THAN TWO HEROES APART; LEONARD ROBERTS ("BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER") JOINS THE CAST AS D.L. HAWKINS, A FUGITIVE THAT POLICE CAN'T HOLD -- Hiro (Masi Oka) and his buddy embark on their heroic journey to New York, when they are stopped by a Vegas high-roller who offers them a deal they can't refuse. As H.R.G (guest star Jack Coleman) sets up a meeting for his daughter Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with her biological parents, she hopes that questions about her newfound indestructibility can be answered. Meanwhile, Isaac (Santiago Cabrera) receives another confusing call from Hiro, but Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) is there this time to pick up the phone and relay a life-saving message. Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) bids farewell to Eden (guest star Nora Zehetner) as he heads back to India to bury his father. An unexpected visitor shows up at Niki's (Ali Larter) home. Greg Grunberg, Adrian Pasdar, Noah Grey-Cabey and Tawny Cypress also star.

Discuss...

[terarist]

Well, if IMDB is to be believed, then we shall have another glimpse of Sylar.

[StorminNorman]

I wonder what type of Superhuman event will prevent Suresh from getting on that plane.

[StorminNorman]

After reading DL's novel on NBC, I think he is a pretty cool dude :up:

[The Squirrel]

After reading DL's novel on NBC, I think he is a pretty cool dude :up:


I agree. :up:

[Abaddon]

I wonder when Micah's powers will manifest.:o

[The Squirrel]

I thought being super smart was his power?

[terarist]

I wonder when Micah's powers will manifest.:o

One could argue it already has.
Forge, anyone?

PS: I love the invisibles reference.

[Abaddon]

I thought being super smart was his power?


So then he's a less annoying version of his character on My Wife & Kids:whatever:

[The Squirrel]

So then he's a less annoying version of his character on My Wife & Kids:whatever:


No one said the show was above 'type casting'.

[gambitfire]

I thought being super smart was his power?

Same here, but i wouldn't be surprised if they take a Franklin Richards/Jack Jack approach in making him the most powerful member.

[sc12een17am3]

him being smart can be part of his power, i would think they would add a little more a twist to his power since its a pretty easy asumption that him being smart for his age is his powers.

it be interesting if his "real" power is that he's some sort of technopath, like that villian chick in that Sky High film.

[StorminNorman]

I would like it if Micah just happens to be supah smart and actually has some kick ass physical power....like turning into that Giant Beast that Issac drew.

[sc12een17am3]

hm... when u said that, it gave me an idea. wouldnt it be interesting if Micah's physical power would be like turning drawings/animated objects into living for a period. like turning a drawing of that Giant Beast into a real physical creature. id like that idea better then himself actually turning into the beast itself

[Substance D]

so suresh is going overseas? ugh, he only serves to slow the story.

[Booznian]

Suresh has been incredibebly boring so far...Imagine if Suresh was Sylar? LOL. OMG that would be funny.

[Booznian]

In the trailer there was a scene with a cop and this guy doing something with a glass of water?
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6749/guyfromheroestk2.jpg

[Superman \S/]

It seems the glass was shaking. I think he has a power close to the mutant Avalanche. Isaac drew a paiting with water shaking, seems it comes true cause it's the guy in that pic. I think the actor in that pic is Eric Christian Olsen.

[Eklypze]

it sort of looks like Eric Christian Olsen but i dont think it is him although i could be wrong

[Advocate05]

I thought the water was boiling so he had the power to superheat anything.

BTW ... at the end of Ep 5. You see Niki and DL fight. This is going to be HAWT! And I saw a few glimpses of him using his "phasing" powars.

AWHHHH DAMN.

[Booznian]

What are DL's powers?

[StorminNorman]

so suresh is going overseas? ugh, he only serves to slow the story.

No way he gets on the flight.

[The Squirrel]

What are DL's powers?

Phasing.

[ken smith]

In the trailer there was a scene with a cop and this guy doing something with a glass of water?
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6749/guyfromheroestk2.jpgThat guy is going to come in episode 6, i predict. i believe he will come in episode 6

[muscaremy]

it does look like jim carrey but dont think its him...hahah get the reference

[Booznian]

Phasing.

Whats "Phasing?"

And it doesnt look like Jim Carrey ;p

[sc12een17am3]

what Kitty Pryde in X-men does. walk through solid objects

[XMENfreaq]

nah, i think they care for Micah the same......just D.L. seems like the bad guys...i wonder how long this show's gonna last....you know, how many season till they reveal Sylar or something.......

[ord0g]

^ I'd say possibly a little past the half way point or the end of the season.

[StorminNorman]

nah, i think they care for Micah the same......just D.L. seems like the bad guys...i wonder how long this show's gonna last....you know, how many season till they reveal Sylar or something.......

Because he is black?

He has never been seen on the show - there is no reason to assume "he seems like the bad guys". Infact (outside of being charged with murder that seems to have been commited by Niki and not D.L.) he has been described as a great guy - his GN shows that as well.

[spiderdroppings]

wats up people just have to say i just watched all the heroes epidoes back to back and i am hooked. this is an awesome show!!

[Erundur]

Can't wait for the controntation between Niki and D.L :up:

[Iron Fist]

Tonight. :wow:

[Booznian]

Paul Sylar might be shown tonight. According to IMDB (=X).


Go Sean Bean!

[Magma_15]

Do Nikki and her other half ever talk, or become one. Like Yugi-oh, he had two personalities but they still talked to each other. I really want to know what Claire has to with saving the world, i mean how important can she be?

[-Æ-]

It has to be pretty important to keep Claire Alive for Future Hiro to risk going back to the past like that to warn Peter. I think Claire is just a stepping stone, by saving her, other key events will unlock where others that never shown up before with the death of Claire, will soon appear with her continuing life.

Even though its never been said how she is supposed to be "saved" Is it a life or death thing, or is it from a perspective to where she turns completely bad. (Using her feelings of remorse, jealously, anger etc to give her a motive)

Guess you can say its kind of a Dark Side thing.

[Ice-man]

Hello people I'm new to the heroes boards, I absolutely love the show! anyway i didn't know Micah had a power? I thought he was just normal, aside from being a smart kid.

and i don't know about you guys but i like Suresh, hes the one who will figure out the alleged "Hero" gene, and become a big part in saving the heroes and the world from Sylar.

his side of the story just needs to progress.

[Ice-man]

Do Nikki and her other half ever talk, or become one. Like Yugi-oh, he had two personalities but they still talked to each other. I really want to know what Claire has to with saving the world, i mean how important can she be?

Yea they talk, in i think episode 4, when the elevator doors show Nikki's reflection, the other half talks to her. and it shows that the aggressive side of her takes over the real Nikki.

its almost likes shes being possessed

[Shang-Chi]

I can't wait for 9! :D

[Magma_15]

Yea they talk, in i think episode 4, when the elevator doors show Nikki's reflection, the other half talks to her. and it shows that the aggressive side of her takes over the real Nikki.

its almost likes shes being possessed

oh yeah, forgot about that. I think it would be cool if both personalities were active together

[Gold Samurai]

Suuuuupaaa Hiro Time!! starts now!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vsk8FqnKobY

thanks to discoinferno for combining my audio with his video!

[Spider-Fan83]

"I had a sword" nice

[SoulManX]

Im guessing Claire Bear's parents might have some powers?

[Farren]

Awww, Claire and her 'guy friend' - so awkward and cute

Hiro and his sword - was he making lightsaber effects? And I like his 'You don't have to have superpowers to be a hero' - he is so sweet.

[SoulManX]

I have a feeling that was Nik in Stripper Hulk mode....

[Prodigy]

so Nikki's evil personality is the one that killed her husbands partners and took the money and the job... hmmmm

[Ice-man]

mikas 9th wonders comic, the cover


well theres a possibility that the monster on that cover destroyss nyc, seeing as everything in the comic was drawn by issac who paint the future.



OOO I NEW IT!!! THAT GIRL WHOS FRIENDS WITH SURESH IS EVIL!!

[Farren]

wait, are these claire's biological parents?!

that was fast

[SoulManX]

Well the plot thicken....

[Farren]

Mohinder kinda pisses me off: I think they're pushing his character around in contrived ways: three weeks ago his uber-obsessed with his dad's work, now he could care less. WTF?

[Prodigy]

hmm looks like nikki was also the one that killed the guys at the poker game, and almost killed hiro and ando. I'm questioning how much of a hero this chick is.

[Spider-Fan83]

OOO I NEW IT!!! THAT GIRL WHOS FRIENDS WITH SURESH IS EVIL!!
well, she working with mr. glasses, anyay, evil seem a bit harsh, we really havent seen him do anything evil, we just know he's been trying to track down the heros one by one, just saying

[Farren]

I'm really concerned for that mirror....

[SoulManX]

So I wonder why Nikki's evil half hates DL so much?

[SoulManX]

I'm really concerned for that mirror....

I know right...

[Farren]

Yeah, I can't tell if she's a self-defense mode that goes too far...or is just evil.

[Spider-Fan83]

So I wonder why Nikki's evil half hates DL so much? she jelous, she wants nikki all too herself, oh wait nikki is herself lol:oldrazz:
she just does what need to be done

and how about mickas (spelling?) secert, sn know his moms, how much does he know, oh show back on


the other parents were fakes i knew it

[O'Haire]

I have a feeling Claire's dad will end up being a good guy. They are just making it seem like he is the villain.

I would prefer that he be a bad guy.

[Farren]

maybe claire was genetically altered INTO a superhero....

[Ice-man]

Hmmm looks as if glasses dude asked some friends of his to act as clairs biological parents.

[SoulManX]

Oh boy the **** is going to hit the fan:wow:

[Farren]

Oh boy the **** is going to hit the fan:wow: I hope he's a fast runner...

[sc12een17am3]

she probs wants DL out of her or uh their life since he was in a gang and went to prision many times for crimes and prob doesnt what anyone to have any chance in harming their son. cause it seems that both Nikis are very overprotective over their son

[SoulManX]

I hope he's a fast runner...

Hmmm would be a good time to change to the Flash:woot:

[SoulManX]

she probs wants DL out of her or uh their life since he was in a gang and went to prision many times for crimes and prob doesnt what anyone to have any chance in harming their son. cause it seems that both Nikis are very overprotective over their son

Yea but she cause him to go to jail. Or should I say Strong Nikki...

[Warhammer]

Super strength? :wow:

[GNR]

Weakest episode by far.

[SoulManX]

Weakest? I loved it....

Brothers and Sisters pray this show does not jump the shark:o

[Charleswelsh]

weakest episode indeed.

a whole lotta nothing happened.

just when i get sucked into a series, for the first and only time ever, and make a plan to watch it weekly... it sucks ass.

hence, i am done with TV forever

[Ice-man]

yea it wasnt that good, its probably because it had to explain alot of things envloving nikki and dl.

the preview for nextweek look great tho, im looking forward to seeing that one.

[Majmun]

Nikki just got owned.

[GNR]

they didn't play off of any of the reveals and build up from the past 5 shows at all

the Claire storyline was just not working with the "birthparents",Hiro and Ando end up at that poker game for what reason?,the Nikki/DL story was given way too much time

[faceplant]

what did that chick say to isaac, my tivo cut off the very end

[SoulManX]

what did that chick say to isaac, my tivo cut off the very end

That she loved his work...

[The Apocalypse]

Yeah mine too. I just heard 'come in'

[faceplant]

Yeah mine too. I just heard 'come in'

got to remember to change the stop time till like 10:02 for next week. that's so annoying.

[The Question]

weakest episode indeed.

a whole lotta nothing happened.

just when i get sucked into a series, for the first and only time ever, and make a plan to watch it weekly... it sucks ass.

hence, i am done with TV forever

Don't you think that's a little harsh? The episode had some pretty cool moments. D.L. pulling that Vision trick was pretty damn sweet.

[Anubis]

I thought this was a fairly weak ep, but, it's these lazy eps that sometimes drop hints to big things to come.

[amazingfantasy15]

I liked this episode, explained a lot more about the Niki/Ikin (what I'm called Niki's other half) alot better. We know that the girl Mohinder was hanging around with is part of Horn Rimmed Glasses crew, HRG knows about the Save the Cheerleader prophecy. We know when Ikin is in charge 'cause that's when the tattoo shows up. The only thing I wish they would've shown is Peter tracking down the missing painting.

[faceplant]

and no nathan this week, that sucks.

[amazingfantasy15]

and no nathan this week, that sucks.

He's too busy with campaigning and blackmailing people, they need to bring him into the bigger plot a little more.

[Charleswelsh]

Don't you think that's a little harsh? The episode had some pretty cool moments. D.L. pulling that Vision trick was pretty damn sweet.

no, not a little harsh... not at all

any headway into the series that was made (see amazing fantasy's post) could have easily been done in 5 minutes. the rest was all fluff.

the vision trick? i could do that with my digital camera and windows media maker.

[O'Haire]

I think...
Eden is the one who is going to kill Isaac, like Hiro saw when he went to see him in Episode 2.

[faceplant]

He's too busy with campaigning and blackmailing people, they need to bring him into the bigger plot a little more.

it looked like they were bringing him in more last week, he was really good in ep 5

[Substance D]

I think...
Eden is the one who is going to kill Isaac, like Hiro saw when he went to see him in Episode 2.

No, Sylar does. Sorry pal.

[GNR]

DL doing a Martian Manhunter was cool and all,but please let whoever wrote this episode steer clear of the show in the future.

It just didn't flow well at all.

[SouLeSS]

My DVR cut out right before Isaac opened the door. Did anything important happen after that?

Also, can someone get next weeks preview on youtube or something for those of us that didn't get all the ep? THanks.

[SouLeSS]

No, Sylar does. Sorry pal.

Maybe Sylars Eden?

[Substance D]

Maybe Sylars Eden?

:whatever:

[Substance D]

My DVR cut out right before Isaac opened the door. Did anything important happen after that?

Also, can someone get next weeks preview on youtube or something for those of us that didn't get all the ep? THanks.

Nothing happened.

Next week Hiro and DL team up Marvel style.

[-Æ-]

This episode was good, I think actually people are saying its weak because action wise, which is a poor excuse, its awesome that they explained the situation with D.L. and Nicki because that confused that hell out of me at sometimes.

It was Hiro and Ando destiny to go into that bathroom though. Don't think they were supposed to know about Nicki actions yet. I didn't expect her to be involved in all of though, but I started putting it together left and right.

When Eden dropped the bomb to Mr. Bennett about "Save the Cheerleader" you can tell that hit him like a rock, the reason why they sent her to Isaacs.

D.L. pwned the **** out of Evil Nicki. Its awesome to see that he is fully developing his powers. Nicki is still alive though no doubt.

[O'Haire]

No, Sylar does. Sorry pal.

Good. I was hoping it wasn't her.

[GNR]

This episode was good, I think actually people are saying its weak because action wise, which is a poor excuse, its awesome that they explained the situation with D.L. and Nicki because that confused that hell out of me at sometimes.

It was Hiro and Ando destiny to go into that bathroom though. Don't think they were supposed to know about Nicki actions yet. I didn't expect her to be involved in all of though, but I started putting it together left and right.

When Eden dropped the bomb to Mr. Bennett about "Save the Cheerleader" you can tell that hit him like a rock, the reason why they sent her to Isaacs.

D.L. pwned the **** out of Evil Nicki. Its awesome to see that he is fully developing his powers. Nicki is still alive though no doubt.

This show has never had alot of action since the get-go and I still enjoyed it.

This week's show just lacked hard.The story didn't flow at all and too much emphasis was directed towards certain characters.

hopefully next week's is better

[Substance D]

Yeah, that kid is going to be foiked up. From his POV it looked like his dad was murdering his mother. Interesting development.

[SouLeSS]

:whatever:

Shapeshifting, hello? :whatever:

[xwolverine2]

NIKKI WILL GET HER REVENGE!!!!

argh!.......

but she still totally kicked serious ass!!

[SouLeSS]

I'm thinking that the "good" Nikki is now dead, and thats who DL ended up killing.

Now all thats left if the "bad" Nikki.

[Substance D]

I'm thinking that the "good" Nikki is now dead, and thats who DL ended up killing.

Now all thats left if the "bad" Nikki.

Why? He was fighting the "bad" Nikki.

[SouLeSS]

Obviously because the "bad" Nikki is in control of when she wants to come out. If you were about to die but you could flip to your alter ego, you would.

Not to mention thats what Isaac's whole thing about smudging the painting to reveal the Tattoo.

[3 Dev Adam]

Micah reads the comic, so I think he knows more than we can conceive...

[-Æ-]

This show has never had alot of action since the get-go and I still enjoyed it.

This week's show just lacked hard.The story didn't flow at all and too much emphasis was directed towards certain characters.

hopefully next week's is better


Thats kind of a hard cry, you have to put more emphasis on other characters that bring more characters into the series. I think this episode showed us just what we were expecting from what every episode has currently have. Very good episode, and just more to come.

[xwolverine2]

Obviously because the "bad" Nikki is in control of when she wants to come out. If you were about to die but you could flip to your alter ego, you would.

Not to mention thats what Isaac's whole thing about smudging the painting to reveal the Tattoo.
wait....

what did that paint smudge have to do with anything?:huh:

[Triadkd]

DL is a great addition to the cast and I hope they do something worthwhile with him. Claires little friend is such a dead man, and hiro kinda annoyed me this episode. Everyone always said mo's friend was a spy and I was hoping they would be proven wrong but oh well.

[Gold Samurai]

5 weeks in and we get our first "okay" ep

no peter

no nathan

minimual amount of hiro ( I have a sword lol)

no mind reading cop

I think the eps work well when they are all in the ep

[symbioticspaz]

I think its kinda odd that everyone is bagging on this weeks ep. Look at all the characters you have in the show. If they did a show just about Hiro, everyone would be wet in their pants. But since its about someone elses role in the show, the least popular character, no one cares. I watch the show cuz I like it, not for 2 characters.

But, thats what happens when close minded people are allowed access to the net

[muscaremy]

man wtf my dvr ended it as isaac was rubbin off paint to reveal nikkis tat on a painting....wat happened next saw someone at the door then it ended

haha just read thread and noticed two others had same problem so just ignore this...but where can u see the eps and previews online...i gotta catch next weeks preview

[Fanticon]

Ha!!!...I friggin' knew it!!!!
I think the girl that befriends Mohinder in his apt complex is a spy...that looked like a total set up just in case something went wrong...it looked like she was interfering, but was really in on it. Because if they wanted him dead, they would have done it...she's there to help get answers to the wrong people...just my thoughts on that.


I posted that in the Episode 2 discussion thread....I didn't trust her from the start...and yes...i would love a medal:woot:

crap..its back on...will discuss more later.

[Gold Samurai]

Ha!!!...I friggin' knew it!!!!


I posted that in the Episode 2 discussion thread....I didn't trust her from the start...and yes...i would love a medal:woot:

crap..its back on...will discuss more later.

your not the only one who had a suspision about Eden

It was so obvious when she showed up immediately after the "repairman" ran out the door

[sc12een17am3]

man wtf my dvr ended it as isaac was rubbin off paint to reveal nikkis tat on a painting....wat happened next saw someone at the door then it ended

haha just read thread and noticed two others had same problem so just ignore this...but where can u see the eps and previews online...i gotta catch next weeks preview

the girl who was Mohinder "friend" shown up at Issac's apartment saying she was a fan. then it eneded with a monologue

"evolution. is imperfect and often a violent process. morality looses it meaning. the question of good and evil is reduced to one simple choice, survive or parish." when it was says survive or parish. Niki is shown knocked out on the floor

i wish the kitty vs juggernaut fight lasted longer. lol i totally love the kitty heart move

[muscaremy]

thats it next week im settin it to end 2 minutes late

[Wolfwood]

I like how everyone is comparing DL's phase-shifting move on Nikki to a bunch of different characters. It was pretty badass though, hopefully we get to see him use more of those powers in a fight later on.

I thought it was a good episode, it had a good amount of development for the characters and revealed a lot about Nikki, which I thought a lot of people would've been interested in since she was one of the characters who has been kept in the dark the longest.

[Crowforge]

I'm glad she's a mole I almost retched when she kissed the jerk. I also loved how claire's father got the message about saving her.

[XBRoughneck]

I think its kinda odd that everyone is bagging on this weeks ep. Look at all the characters you have in the show. If they did a show just about Hiro, everyone would be wet in their pants. But since its about someone elses role in the show, the least popular character, no one cares. I watch the show cuz I like it, not for 2 characters.

But, thats what happens when close minded people are allowed access to the net


Good post.

I enjoyed this episode no more or less than any of the others. They used it to introduce a new character and people think it's the end of the world.

IMHO it was just as good as the previous episodes with the added bonus of DL being given a face.

[symbioticspaz]

^ Thanks. I thought this episode was good. I did miss seeing everyone else in it, but I like how it opened Niki up as a person. She did what she did for her kid. And the weird thing is that her 'other' cares too. It always seemed that the 'other' was a heartless killing machine

[Fanticon]

the episode was okay...informative...and kept the story moving...but I'm sure the best eps are yet to come. I'm hoping for atleast one all out...action packed everyone uses their power episode...either that...or an ep where they all start to meet and become aware of who they are, what their purpose is...and become good friends...or should I say...a team.

[sc12een17am3]

yeah i really like how the writers are really thinking about character development. its good to see that theirs actual reasoning to other Niki's actions, even if they do seem to extream...

ok so about Niki's tattoo, since it only shows when she turns personality. do u think the other people when the use their power, that tattoo also shows?

[<(o_o)>]

Niki's alter seems to have some super strength she threw phase guy into the wardrobe like he was nothing. Speaking of Niki did phase guy kill her from squeezing her heart or is she just unconscious? She wasn't even featured in the preview for next weeks show.

[Ghostvirus]

Good Nikki is dead. If you watch it again. DL scratches her tatoo just before he puts his fist in her chest.

[X-Ray]

5 weeks in and we get our first "okay" ep

no peter

no nathan

minimual amount of hiro ( I have a sword lol)

no mind reading cop

I think the eps work well when they are all in the ep

That's what I thought.

[The Sage]

More of a backstory, character deepening episode, and it worked. Most emotional one yet. Micah's reaction to his father plunging his hand into Nikki...strong stuff. I called HRG making up the bio parents, and now Claire knows something about her chromosomes being irregular. Eden works with HRG. DL isn't really a bad man, he's a loving father and husband who did what he thought he had to for his family.

[rashad]

I liked this episode.

[dpm07]

I thought it was a great episode. It looks like things will start to come together next week, especially with Nathan taking a more active role and accepting his abilities.

[WildChild]

Good episode,not great.I hope next week will be better.

[SouLeSS]

wait....

what did that paint smudge have to do with anything?:huh:

Well, from what I've gathered, theres two symbols. THe one on Nikkis back, on the blackman (not DL)'s necklace, in the coding of the computer (which Eden had to do with) and such. Then theres the one that was on Hiro's sword. One has 3 strand breaking off, the other only has 1.

When Nikki lay on the ground, Isaac smudged out the part that didn't have the evil symbol, revealing that she now has the symbol.

It's all symbolism, thats the main thing the show is going off.

[Magma_15]

pretty good episode, i hope DL didnt kill Nikki, because shes a cool character and it will be cool to see what lengths she goes to, to get Micah back. When is Claire going to meet another Hero? Hiro is kind of annoying at times in my opinion, how he broke down when he couldnt save those people.

[chosen1]

"Japanese people, Verry lucky." LOL LOL LOL





(sigh).... Who's glasses was cheerleaders dad holding??


I knew that girl helping seresh was trouble from day 1.

She is the Nina Myers of Heroes.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Weak episode. We were all over the place, Hiro and Ando's gambling scenes were redundant, Peter didn't see Simone in this episode about Isaac's paintings which could have given tension to a pretty dull hour, no Matt, no Nathan, the Mohinder scenes are feeling a bit off and the Claire meeting her fake biological parents was too slow and drawn-out.

The Nikki and DL story is interesting enough on its own, but when we've got world destruction looming, its frustrating to see everything put on hold for this.

[GNR]

The fake birthparents idea was visiblefrom a mile away.

[ord0g]

After the build up from last weeks episode I expected more here. It was dissappointing that they didn't carry the momentum onwards. Oh well, next week can't come sooner.

[The Question]

Obviously because the "bad" Nikki is in control of when she wants to come out. If you were about to die but you could flip to your alter ego, you would.

Not to mention thats what Isaac's whole thing about smudging the painting to reveal the Tattoo.

I'm pretty sure that's not how disasociative identity disorder works at all.

no, not a little harsh... not at all

any headway into the series that was made (see amazing fantasy's post) could have easily been done in 5 minutes. the rest was all fluff.

Fine. But that doesn't mean you should stop watching TV all together just because of one average episode.

the vision trick? i could do that with my digital camera and windows media maker.

But it was cool.

[AnimeJune]

Yeah, I thought this episode was a big ol' bowl of M'eh. Hiro's personal crisis was resolved very quickly, Nathan wasn't even IN the episode...

But hey, I was right about short-haired girl! Totally working for the other side!

And we also get an indication that Mr Bennett is NOT so completely evil as we've been led to think. He was sweet the whole episode, and while that might be a show, his reaction to the message "Save the Cheerleader" REALLY pointed out that he cares for Claire. Awww.....

Um, I didn't like DL. He acted like an ass the entire episode. I mean, he has unbelievable phasing powers, so presumably he knows powers exist, but he won't believe his wife when she tells him she has powers? Thanks a bunch, you big fat hypocrite - and now you've gone and squished her pancreas while her son watched!

Mohinder, this episode, was also an ass. I'm not quite sure when he completely, utterly lost his faith to the point where he's nearly always sarcastic and bitter. Dude, CHILL.

Also, no Matt. He's been in the least episodes so far, and his story was left on a cliffhanger! WTF?

[PLAS]

what I didn't like about this episode:

-it was slower than most of the others
-where tha fook were Nathan, Matt and Pete?

what I liked about this episode:

-we finally get to see interaction between the two Nikkis (in 9th wonders, there's word that her other half's name is Jessica... we'll see about that)
-Mr Bennett is slowly showing to be either an excellently written character or the guy is an amazing actor, we know the guy cares for his family, we also know that he's fascinated with these people, and like any parent is willing to do whatever it takes for his family
-which is what I loved about DL, the guy didn't "kill" Nikki and took Micah just becuase, he felt this evil woman to be a real threat and hauled ass with his son, whom he loves a lot... well, he's his father, duh!
-little peppered implements about Hiro's character were dropped here and there
-I don't know if you got it, but NIKKI IS ONE OF THE VILLIANS
-Eden is a mole, no surprise, but it was cool to see that scene

and that's something which I actually noticed, there were some things that I had already figured out, and they went with them, but it was surprising nonethelss to see them actually happen


and now some unrelated observations:

-noticed how the second episode, which aired in october gave us a five week time frame? notice how in four weeks only a couple of days have happened? methinks the big explosion will be the season's ender
-URULU WAS MENTIONED IN THE SHOW!!!!! yes, I know just a as a reference to the comic book, but it was mentioned, which brings me to the next observation...
-it seems that the 9th wonders comic was at first a non serialized horror type of comic, like the old EC comics from the 50's, but it seems that there was a point in time, I'd say, when Issac started getting his "future highs", perhaps, in which Issac starts making this story arc about some stuff, and maybe he doesn't get to finish his comic's storyarc, cuz he got lobotomized and killed and stuff... but the nod to the classics was great, still
- anybody else thinks Eden has powers too? I am willing to bet my PRS on that

one more thing I noticed, it seems that Claire is starting to become more and more tolerant to pain

[PowersOfMind]

I dont see Niki as a villian yet. I think she just cant control her powers. Its like every hero has that moment when they decide to use their powers for good or for evil and her moment hasnt come yet.

The whole thing with her and DL was a little strange. As AnimeJune said, he knows powers exist and yet he cant believe Niki when she says that she cant control her powers. I dont balme him for defending himself because she was kicking his ass but did he not notice that one minute she was freaking out...the next she was cool and collected and very scary. Then "killing" your wife right in front of your son. Hmmm... not really the best way to go.

But I guess we'll see what happens in the coming weeks.

[PLAS]

I dont see Niki as a villian yet. I think she just cant control her powers. Its like every hero has that moment when they decide to use their powers for good or for evil and her moment hasnt come yet.

The whole thing with her and DL was a little strange. As AnimeJune said, he knows powers exist and yet he cant believe Niki when she says that she cant control her powers. I dont balme him for defending himself because she was kicking his ass but did he not notice that one minute she was freaking out...the next she was cool and collected and very scary. Then "killing" your wife right in front of your son. Hmmm... not really the best way to go.

But I guess we'll see what happens in the coming weeks.
he didn't kill her, he just knocked her out (well, he had already knocked her up before) and he was just trying to protect his son from this ubberstrong spychobeotch of a wife he has

and I just loved the "nothing honey, daddy and I are just moving the furniture" that was wicked

[PowersOfMind]

I know he didnt really kill her...he was more pissed that her alter ego did some really underhanded stuff to him. Plus he's now emotionally scarred the boy by doing what he did to the mama right in front of him.

[ironmaidenrules]

my dvr cut off so i didn't get the preview for next week

if anyone has it or knows where to get it please let me know

thanks

[PLAS]

my dvr cut off so i didn't get the preview for next week

if anyone has it or knows where to get it please let me know

thanks
DL, Micah, Hiro and Ando meet, Nathan flies, and there was this guy who looked a lot like Mohinder with a different haircut

[kane9321]

"one more thing I noticed, it seems that Claire is starting to become more and more tolerant to pain"

I so totally noticed that too

claire,wear baking gloves sweetie.... the oven is hot

[Quasar]

I've always felt the writing on this show was a little thin, so when we get an episode that slows down and is dialogue-driven, it dragged like a mother. Borderline brutal.

[NoirMan82]

Same here, but i wouldn't be surprised if they take a Franklin Richards/Jack Jack approach in making him the most powerful member.

That's exactly what I think. I think that Micah has the power of manifestation or mental projection. Eventually, I think Micah will create that Uluru character from the comics he reads and cause a whole lot of trouble. He'll be to the heroes what Proteus was to the X-Men; an emotionally damaged kid with more power than anyone can deal with.

[NoirMan82]

I also didn't like the slower pace this episode, but we did get a lot more information about characters and a cool superpower showdown at the end, so it's forgivable. But what's with people dissin' DL? He had to put Nikki down, she was killing him. And let's not forget that he hasn't done anything wrong, it was evil Nikki that set him up. If anything, she got what was coming to her. I think DL has great potential to be one of the standout characters.

[NoirMan82]

I also didn't like the slower pace this episode, but we did get a lot more information about characters and a cool superpower showdown at the end, so it's forgivable. But what's with people dissin' DL? He had to put Nikki down, she was killing him. And let's not forget that he hasn't done anything wrong, it was evil Nikki that set him up. If anything, she got what was coming to her. I think DL has great potential to be one of the standout characters.

[NoirMan82]

I also didn't like the slower pace this episode, but we did get a lot more information about characters and a cool superpower showdown at the end, so it's forgivable. But what's with people dissin' DL? He had to put Nikki down, she was killing him. And let's not forget that he hasn't done anything wrong, it was evil Nikki that set him up. If anything, she got what was coming to her. I think DL has great potential to be one of the standout characters.

[NoirMan82]

I also didn't like the slower pace this episode, but we did get a lot more information about characters and a cool superpower showdown at the end, so it's forgivable. But what's with people dissin' DL? He had to put Nikki down, she was killing him. And let's not forget that he hasn't done anything wrong, it was evil Nikki that set him up. If anything, she got what was coming to her. I think DL has great potential to be one of the standout characters.

[NoirMan82]

I also didn't like the slower pace this episode, but we did get a lot more information about characters and a cool superpower showdown at the end, so it's forgivable. But what's with people dissin' DL? He had to put Nikki down, she was killing him. And let's not forget that he hasn't done anything wrong, it was evil Nikki that set him up. If anything, she got what was coming to her. I think DL has great potential to be one of the standout characters.

[NoirMan82]

I also didn't like the slower pace this episode, but we did get a lot more information about characters and a cool superpower showdown at the end, so it's forgivable. But what's with people dissin' DL? He had to put Nikki down, she was killing him. And let's not forget that he hasn't done anything wrong, it was evil Nikki that set him up. If anything, she got what was coming to her. I think DL has great potential to be one of the standout characters.

[NoirMan82]

I also didn't like the slower pace this episode, but we did get a lot more information about characters and a cool superpower showdown at the end, so it's forgivable. But what's with people dissin' DL? He had to put Nikki down, she was killing him. And let's not forget that he hasn't done anything wrong, it was evil Nikki that set him up. If anything, she got what was coming to her. I think DL has great potential to be one of the standout characters.

[SouLeSS]

Good lord, did you need to post that 20 times?

ANyone got a link for next weeks preview yet?

[BlazingBread]

Holly jumping ***** balls i have heard of a double post but jeez...lol


Anyway did anyone notice that DL didnt grab the money when he grabbed Micha and ran out. I thought this is was intresting cause it showed he really didnt care about the money that much as we were led to beileve when he first shows up.

[hulkamania85]

That was creepy as hell. And that girl, I didn't expect her to be evil. Hmm.

Same here. Everyone else is "oh I saw it coming", but I fell for her sweet next door neighbor ruse.:csad:

Anyone else bummed when those cupcakes got tossed? Mrs. Bennett, she probably wasn't serious!

[AtrophyG4]

Good lord, did you need to post that 20 times?

ANyone got a link for next weeks preview yet?

My DVR cut out at the Issaic and Eden scene just like a lot of other people. The episode of course is on NBC.com/Heroes and here is a spot with next weeks preview:

http://www.heroes-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=1341

Any one know why they haven't updated the graphic novel since last week? I am printing them off and keeping them in a notebook just for the hell of it.

[3 Dev Adam]

So... Niki is still alive.

[Triadkd]

Alot of people are complaining about DL not believing his wife but they dont seem to realize that this is his life not a comic book. These people think there freaks. If I started flying and some annoying japanese guy told me he could stop time I would punch him in the face.

[hulkamania85]

Alot of people are complaining about DL not believing his wife but they dont seem to realize that this is his life not a comic book. These people think there freaks. If I started flying and some annoying japanese guy told me he could stop time I would punch him in the face.

I wouldn't. I mean flying is some major league weird crap. I'd be keeping an open mind.

[AnimeJune]

We must also bear in mind that NIKKI hasn't done anything wrong. She didn't ask for the alter ego, she hasn't encouraged it in any way, she seems like a genuinely good person tormented by an unscrupulous double entity that is not her fault at all.

[Fanticon]

I think what D.L. did to Niki did not kill her...I mean obviously I don't think that they would kill off Ali Larter, but, it could mean that when she snaps out of it...and wakes up...she's either permanantly one of the two Niki's. If its evil Niki...then great, we have a villain hellbent on getting revenge and her son back...or, good Niki is now fully aware of her power and can shift back and forth at will....maybe....I don't know basically, what D.L. did may have just started a ticking time bomb that was waiting to go off...he stopped her there, but he better not see evil Niki again cuz she'll be out for blood.

[RockSP]

Um, I didn't like DL. He acted like an ass the entire episode. I mean, he has unbelievable phasing powers, so presumably he knows powers exist, but he won't believe his wife when she tells him she has powers? Thanks a bunch, you big fat hypocrite - and now you've gone and squished her pancreas while her son watched!



The whole thing with her and DL was a little strange. As AnimeJune said, he knows powers exist and yet he cant believe Niki when she says that she cant control her powers.

Uhh...why would you guys assume he knows other people have powers as well? Maybe he thinks he's unique. Also, she never said she has powers. Just some rambling nonsense about "another person".

[alias_nut8807]

maybe the evil Niki has been killed leaving the good niki to herself with evil niki's powers. And perhaps an evil voice in her head that tells her what to do.
the only thing about that though is that it would be ripping off of both Prince of Persia:the two thrones AND the wheel of time.

[AnimeJune]

Uhh...why would you guys assume he knows other people have powers as well? Maybe he thinks he's unique. Also, she never said she has powers. Just some rambling nonsense about "another person".Yeah, but considering the precarious position he was in (just escaped from prison) he really had no right not to trust Nikki, him being a convict and all. Plus, she made it perfectly clear she was willing to do anything to protect her son, so his idea is to take Micah away? Smart move, jackass.

[RockSP]

Yeah, but considering the precarious position he was in (just escaped from prison) he really had no right not to trust Nikki, him being a convict and all. Plus, she made it perfectly clear she was willing to do anything to protect her son, so his idea is to take Micah away? Smart move, jackass.

:huh:

Of course he's gonna take Micah...who is his son as well...away. He walks in and sees her with the money that he went to prison over. He already knows it was a women who set him up. Then the crazy beeootch tries to kill him. Yeah, what a jackass...:whatever:

[AnimeJune]

:huh:

Of course he's gonna take Micah...who is his son as well...away. He walks in and sees her with the money that he went to prison over. He already knows it was a women who set him up. Then the crazy beeootch tries to kill him. Yeah, what a jackass...:whatever:What I know is, this DL guy shows up out of the blue, escaped from prison, with weird-ass powers, going "Trust me, trust me, trust me", but once Nikki asks for some trust in return, he shuts her down.

[gambitfire]

I think the problem with Nikki and DL is nothing more than a huge understanding.

I don't think Nikki's other side is necessarily evil, it's just tougher, and angrier.

The only reason she did anything is because "evil" Nikki figure DL would take Micah away.

If he had not done so then perhaps they could of worked things out, but once more "evil" Nikki is like the Hulk, you need to really make sure that it knows you're not going to hurt it or piss it off.

[RockSP]

Yeah it's a misunderstanding...they have to create drama after all. Imagine when he finds out his wife screwed the politician.

[gambitfire]

Lol,

Dl: You Psycho B!tc#!!

Nikki: Duh! Now You Get It.

[gambitfire]

Well i did kinda overlooked the fact that she framed DL and had him sent to jail,

so i can't blame him for reacting the way he did.

[Goddessreicho]

As much as plot that was in this, I actually hated the Nikki DL storyline. Don't get me wrong. DL is ok on his own, Nikki is kinda meh, but I got a lackluster response from myself finally seeing the storyline merge.

We should have seen more of DL on his own, or perhaps some real dialoge between him and Mr. Bennet. (DL and Bennet's sidekick are the same person, right?) But the story moved a little too fast, and there were to many plotholes. I didn't like it.

As for the kid. Wow where do I begin. I get it, the kid is smart, AGAIN. And according to the previews he has a good chance of having powers, who knew :rolleseyes: Again, its all very meh, and way to cliche for me to say that watching it was enjoyable.

I think DL on his own, with his own storyline would have been so much better. Kinda like a man who did wrong, gained powers and slowly learns to use them for good. Kinda like Hiro but a little more hard core, oh the "if-only's."

Speaking of Hiro! Such greatness. Here's another "If-Only" If only he and Ando had been able to go into that room!

I'm liking the Younger Petrelli more and more. He's not that annoying anymore. The older brother...my jury is still out on him.

Claire....ugg, why does the plot have to revolve around her. Her character is so frustrating annoying. I understand her powers are important, but why does SHE have to have them. Her character is far less annoying when not using the powers.

The cop...LOVE HIM. I want more of him. Talk about being underused. Damn! I hate it when that happens.

Suresh's friend working with Bennet...not as surprised as I thought I would be. I don't think that Bennet is evil. Nothing so far that has been presented has been straightfoward. So...

Bring on Sean Bean!

[RockSP]

We should have seen more of DL on his own, or perhaps some real dialoge between him and Mr. Bennet. (DL and Bennet's sidekick are the same person, right?)

They aren't the same person. Besides both being black and bald they look nothing alike.

D.L. phases (like Shadowcat) and Bennet's sidekick is telepathic.

[Gold Samurai]

Bring on Sean Bean!


I thought we already debunked the "sean bean is sylar" theory. He wasn't in last nights ep when the unreliable IMDB said so

"Heroes" (http://imdb.com/title/tt0813715/)
- Nothing to Lose (http://imdb.com/title/tt0860036/) (2006) TV Episode .... Paul Sylar
- Better Halves (http://imdb.com/title/tt0861136/) (2006) TV Episode .... Paul Sylar
- Six Months Ago (http://imdb.com/title/tt0879577/) (????) TV Episode .... Paul Sylar

[Goddessreicho]

^-- Booooooo. I didn't think that DL and Sidekick Guy were the same cause of the hight difference, but the scene in the bar made me think twice about that.

But seriously, ALOT LESS Nikki, Claire, and the kid. Much more Cop, Hiro, Petrelli's, and plot.

[gambitfire]

i think each episode will revolve around a different set of character since there are so many.

[MJB]

So then he's a less annoying version of his character on My Wife & Kids:whatever:


Wow, you actually watched that show?

[Sawyer]

I knew I didnt like the short haired brunette girl...DL seems like he will be cool. Nikki's power is starting to feel lame...

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, I thought this episode was a big ol' bowl of M'eh. Hiro's personal crisis was resolved very quickly, Nathan wasn't even IN the episode...

But hey, I was right about short-haired girl! Totally working for the other side!

And we also get an indication that Mr Bennett is NOT so completely evil as we've been led to think. He was sweet the whole episode, and while that might be a show, his reaction to the message "Save the Cheerleader" REALLY pointed out that he cares for Claire. Awww.....

Um, I didn't like DL. He acted like an ass the entire episode. I mean, he has unbelievable phasing powers, so presumably he knows powers exist, but he won't believe his wife when she tells him she has powers? Thanks a bunch, you big fat hypocrite - and now you've gone and squished her pancreas while her son watched!

Mohinder, this episode, was also an ass. I'm not quite sure when he completely, utterly lost his faith to the point where he's nearly always sarcastic and bitter. Dude, CHILL.

Also, no Matt. He's been in the least episodes so far, and his story was left on a cliffhanger! WTF?

Niki's powers are not really traditional. She has two completely different sides, but they are all internal (she does not turn green).

Plus you got to look at it from his side. He just spent 6 months of his life away from his family, planning on getting revenge on the punk who set him up. Then he finds Niki with the 2 million bucks and looking perfectly normal (after all, she was "normal" (I see no reason to call her 'Good Niki') when she went to get the money) and he freaked. Then she attacked him.

D.L. may be third on the list of my favorite characters now - after Nathan and of course Super Hiro.

[StorminNorman]

What I know is, this DL guy shows up out of the blue, escaped from prison, with weird-ass powers, going "Trust me, trust me, trust me", but once Nikki asks for some trust in return, he shuts her down.

She framed him and then attacked him and you expect him to be civil?

[Abaddon]

Same here. Everyone else is "oh I saw it coming", but I fell for her sweet next door neighbor ruse.:csad:

Anyone else bummed when those cupcakes got tossed? Mrs. Bennett, she probably wasn't serious!


Even if you actually bought that sweet girl act, Isaac drew a friggin picture of her with claws in like the third episode.:huh:

[Lone Wolf]

Good episode. A bit slow paced...But still good. Really enjoyed D.L.'s first full appearance. He's a great character. Looking forward to next week's episode, with Hiro and D.L. meeting for the first time.

[Hulkfan]

Can someone PLEASE tell me what happend with Nikki and DL?

[Hiruu]

I don't think Nikki hates DL, but instead, she's "blind rage" that wants to protect Micah and herself. Evil-Nikki figured out about DL's deal, and when he backed out, she said"...F#$k that...I want the money to get outta this dump!" I think Nikki is going to get a better level of control and while she's not going to be Mr Fixit, she'll certianlly not go around trying to kill everbody.

[Hiruu]

Can someone PLEASE tell me what happend with Nikki and DL?

Bad-Nikki was a REALLY bad girl!

[Lone Wolf]

Can someone PLEASE tell me what happend with Nikki and DL?
D.L. discovers that Nikki was the one that framed him (actually, it was her dark alter ego, but she doesn't get the chance to fully explain this); and D.L. tells Nikki that he's taking Micah and the money away with him. Nikki's alter ego kicks in and displays her above average strength against D.L. "Dark" Nikki discovers that D.L. has phasing abilities as he uses them during the fight; and "Dark" Nikki gets distracted by Micah while beating on D.L. By using one hand to grab her throat and the other hand (the one that phases through Nikki's chest) D.L. grabs Micah and the money and makes his escape; and Nikki is laying on the floor unconscious.

[Hulkfan]

D.L. discovers that Nikki was the one that framed him (actually, it was her dark alter ego, but she doesn't get the chance to fully explain this); and D.L. tells Nikki that he's taking Micah and the money away with him. Nikki's alter ego kicks in and displays her above average strength against D.L. "Dark" Nikki discovers that D.L. has phasing abilities as he uses them during the fight; and "Dark" Nikki gets distracted by Micah while beating on D.L. By using one hand to grab her throat and the other hand (the one that phases through Nikki's chest) D.L. grabs Micah and the money and makes his escape; and Nikki is laying on the floor unconscious.

Thanks, Batman. When can I catch the ep? :woot:

[Hiruu]

Thanks, Batman. When can I catch the ep? :woot:

I think they are still showing online at the site, after broadcast.

[Lone Wolf]

Thanks, Batman. When can I catch the ep? :woot:
You can either watch it online. Or Friday on Sci-fi at seven.

[StorminNorman]

USA shows it the hour before the new one comes on NBC (I believe) as well

[Enzyme]

Niki's Other Self setting up her husband was obvious. As was Claire's father faking her parents.

They're trying to get Niki's Other Self to appear all badass with her ripping people apart, but when it comes down it, she doesn't feel threatening at all.

I can't believe this show has a 9.4 rating on TV.com, am I watching the same show as everyone else. Because it seems everyone else is getting a better version. Seriously, 9.4? That's better than Lost, Prison Break, The Shield, House, Rescue Me, Nip/Tuck, Entourage, etc. All these great shows getting over shadowed by something this mediocre.

And am I the only one sick and tired of pathetic attempt to get all clever and philosophical with Suresh's intros?

[batboy99]

i know this has nothing to do with this episode,but what does the guy do to people when claire's father says,'clean em out.'?

[The Question]

i know this has nothing to do with this episode,but what does the guy do to people when claire's father says,'clean em out.'?

Wipes their memories, aparantly.

[Lone Wolf]

i know this has nothing to do with this episode,but what does the guy do to people when claire's father says,'clean em out.'?
Bennet's associate wipes out there memories. Examples are how when Matt was being held captive, he woke up at his house not knowing what had happend to him, or how he wound up there. Another is how Brody, had no idea who Claire was, or what she was talking about, after Bennet spoke to him, and his mystery friend appeared out of nowhere.

[Crowforge]

So Dl's mum knows he has powers, yah? Does she, and would bad nikki go through her to get her son back?

[3 Dev Adam]

I don't think none of the Nikis are dead. DL phased thru her liver, and probably gave it a squeeze. It hurts like ***k, but it doesn't kill. Plus, the liver is the only part of the human body that rebuilds itself from scratch.

[Tyrinus]

Bennet's associate wipes out there memories. Examples are how when Matt was being held captive, he woke up at his house not knowing what had happend to him, or how he wound up there. Another is how Brody, had no idea who Claire was, or what she was talking about, after Bennet spoke to him, and his mystery friend appeared out of nowhere.

Now here's a weird idea. What if Bennet has a power and that power is being able to manifest his "associate?" And by that I mean, the "associate" isn't an actual person, but a manifestation from Bennet that he kind of conjures as needed, because the manifestation has mental abilities.

That would be crazy.

[3 Dev Adam]

Oh great. Soon, everybody and their mother will have powers. And they'll have to change the comic book title to "Wonders to the 9th Power"

[spider-neil]

thought it was a good episode, slow paced but after the last few weeks it needed to be.

[Wolfwood]

I thought we already debunked the "sean bean is sylar" theory. He wasn't in last nights ep when the unreliable IMDB said so

"Heroes" (http://imdb.com/title/tt0813715/)
- Nothing to Lose (http://imdb.com/title/tt0860036/) (2006) TV Episode .... Paul Sylar
- Better Halves (http://imdb.com/title/tt0861136/) (2006) TV Episode .... Paul Sylar
- Six Months Ago (http://imdb.com/title/tt0879577/) (????) TV Episode .... Paul Sylar

There were Sean Bean rumors about him playing Sylar? Wow, I never heard that. Oh that would be so badass if it were true. Maybe the Sylar character was edited out of this episode due to time? (Now I'll be coming up with excuses to hold on to hope that Sean Bean is in Heroes)

[PLAS]

I find it funny how a lot of people just don't get what they're watching

[AnimeJune]

She framed him and then attacked him and you expect him to be civil?He left them alone for six months because he was convicted of murder and he expected her to be civil?

[Darren Daring]

Sean Bean already denied it.

[The Lizard]

This was the first episode that kind of left me underwhelmed. I'm just not that into Niki's storyline I guess. Claire's fake parents were pretty obvious too. More Hiro would have made this a better ep, but as it was -- meh.

Next week looks like a return to coolness, though.

[moguy]

I've read through all the posts (in this thread) to see if anyone else addressed this. Is it just a coincidence that both DL and Niki have powers??

God I hope not. I'm hoping that within the context of the show these type of powers are rare enough to make that statistically impossible.

If it is a coincidence, then it stinks of bad writing.

[GhostPoet]

Niki seems to be slipping farther and farther into the "darkside" The evil half seems to be getting stronger and taking control more often....she may think that in order to protect both of them she will need to remain in control...for safety's sake of course ;)

[ragdus]

I've read through all the posts (in this thread) to see if anyone else addressed this. Is it just a coincidence that both DL and Niki have powers??

God I hope not. I'm hoping that within the context of the show these type of powers are rare enough to make that statistically impossible.

If it is a coincidence, then it stinks of bad writing.



It's not coincidence. It's about destiny. That why all these people are starting to run into each other.

[moguy]

It's not coincidence. It's about destiny. That why all these people are starting to run into each other.

I just hope the writers utilize a stronger explanation than purely destiny to explain all the coincidences. I really do love the show, but all these unexplained coincidences will eventually start to drag it down.

[burning-robot]

I dont get what DL did to Niki, his right hand went through her chest and he choked her? People say he grabed her heart but on the close up of Nikis face you could see his right hand around her neck. So he didnt grab her heart right?

And they made a big deal about the tattoo on her back, and showing a blank spot on her back at the very end of the show. But the blank spot was the left side of her back, the tatto is on the right, so the left side was supposed to be blank. I dont get why they made a point of showing the left side of her back.

[GhostPoet]

I dont get what DL did to Niki, his right hand went through her chest and he choked her? People say he grabed her heart but on the close up of Nikis face you could see his right hand around her neck. So he didnt grab her heart right?

And they made a big deal about the tattoo on her back, and showing a blank spot on her back at the very end of the show. But the blank spot was the left side of her back, the tatto is on the right, so the left side was supposed to be blank. I dont get why they made a point of showing the left side of her back.

doesn't her tatoo change sides when she's evil and good?

[burning-robot]

When has it been on the left side?

[AnimeJune]

doesn't her tatoo change sides when she's evil and good?I haven't noticed, although that would be a pretty cool idea.

[Abaddon]

They need to do something more interesting with weiss.

[AnimeJune]

They need to do something more interesting with weiss.Who's Weiss again?

[Abaddon]

I mean, Greg Grunberg(the cop)'s character. I still call him Weiss. Matt is his name, I think.:o

[RockSP]

I dont get what DL did to Niki, his right hand went through her chest and he choked her? People say he grabed her heart but on the close up of Nikis face you could see his right hand around her neck. So he didnt grab her heart right?

Before he grabs her neck his hand is in her chest so maybe he grabbed her heart.

[RockSP]

He left them alone for six months because he was convicted of murder and he expected her to be civil?

Convicted of murders she committed.

[AnimeJune]

Convicted of murders she committed.Convicted of murders she had no idea she committed, which weren't her fault at all (bad Nikki's fault).

[sc12een17am3]

I've read through all the posts (in this thread) to see if anyone else addressed this. Is it just a coincidence that both DL and Niki have powers??

God I hope not. I'm hoping that within the context of the show these type of powers are rare enough to make that statistically impossible.

If it is a coincidence, then it stinks of bad writing.

yeah its about destiny, i remember in a beginning of one episode, 4got which. that the intro said about the spirit calls the Hero and leads them where they have to be. something like, can't remember the exact words.

Convicted of murders she committed.

but u have to remember that he was in a gang, leader in fact. he may not have been the one who done those murders, but im sure that they/he done many other crimes before that. seems that bad Niki is only doing it do get the hell away from DL who's surroundings can influence in Michal's safety, and since she is "bad" Niki shes doing the extreme to do so

[StorminNorman]

He left them alone for six months because he was convicted of murder and he expected her to be civil?

Dont forget that she set him up though.


At first though he seemed to accept the fact that she would NOT take him back (he did not start going crazy, he calmy set up to sleep in the living room) - SHE accepted him back though. DL did nothing wrong until after he found HER with the money that sent him up the river for 6 months.

[StorminNorman]

Convicted of murders she had no idea she committed, which weren't her fault at all (bad Nikki's fault).

It was not her fault for doing the murders - it WAS her fault for decided to take the case she stole and her kid and running from a man who had shown to be nothing but loyal to his family.

[Dread]

I caught the episode last night, I just hadn't had the time to comment until today.

First off, no, the episode wasn't as good as last week's, or even some of the past ones. I wouldn't call it the weakest episode out of the 6 so far, but it wasn't the strongest. Maybe it has to do with it's heavy focus on Nikki, who is the character I care the least about. And they omitted Nathan, a character who after last week started to shine on me, simply for making "flight" look good.

As for the others, Peter answers the call from Hiro & Ando and gives them the "save the cheerleader" comment from his Future self. He also wants to help Isaac track down the painting his ex (and Peter's current) girlfriend sold. Mohinder decides to scatter his dad's ashes and leave, but not without getting a kiss from Eden. Hiro & Ando are hustled into cheating FOR the big cowboy, only to hide in a bathroom when Ando spots a gun on their poker opponent. While in the bathroom, everyone at the table is slaughtered, and Hiro's powers fail to work. Ando has to talk him back into his quest with the idea that when he "masters" his powers fully he can just go back in time and fix this; a "do-over".

But, yeah, most of the episode focused on Nikki, who I've never cared for since the pilot. We finally meet her outlaw husband D.L., who appears to have the power to turn intangible at will, which he uses to break into and OUT of places (like jail). He also is the recipient of another tired cliche; the black man imprisoned for a crime he didn't commit. It was tired by the time Luke Cage did it and it's even more tired now. What I find fascinating is how TV shows for mass markets seem to persist in reusing stereotypes and cliches that a lot of COMICS have even abandoned. But aside for that, D.L. was pretty cool; while he's hardly Mr. Law & Order, he cares about his son and wants to find out who set him up by murdering his old crew and fleeing with $2 million. Turns out that it was actually Nikki, or rather her "Were Nikki" form, who also killed the poker-dudes before D.L. could confront them and ask for info. Plus, I'm just glad he has a power that isn't simply super-strength or nigh invulnerability; "brute" type powers that a lot of male black characters end up getting. Nikki finally has a heart-to-heart with her "alter ego", which was at least well done to me (not as good as Defoe's "Norman and Goblin" scene from SPIDER-MAN, though). Her Alter-Ego has appearently been around as long as Nikki has and seems to perhaps represent her Id, doing what she is too weak to do. She wants D.L. out of her life but doesn't know how to do it, so her Alter Ego did it for her by setting him up for murder and now keeping him from possibly clearing his name. However, the more Nikki knows about her Alter Ego, the stronger she seems to become in resisting it, which in a way was her downfall. She gets caught by D.L. going for his cash and when they fight, she easily had the advantage with strength until "Nikki" kept blipping back and forth, especially when their son entered, allowing D.L. to plunge his fist INTO her chest, seemingly killing her. But is Nikki actually dead, or did he simply kill her more PASSIVE personality?

I guess the other big development was Claire, who seemingly met her "birth parents", who may have simply been stooges hired by her father. Her father also gets a call from his agent, who turns out to be Eden, who informs him of the message Mohinder disbelieved from Peter. I liked his coversation with her, noting almost like a fanboy that a time manipulator is "cool" and then flinching in either shock or horror at the "save the cheerleader" line, which he obviously understood. Eden then is sent to talk to Isaac.

Like some posters have questioned, I am wondering if Claire's Dad actually is the "villian", or is someone who has a positive objective but is simply going about it in underhanded ways; much like Zanatos from GARGOYLES or Bishop from TMNT. Isaac, as seen by Hiro, will end up being killed by Syler sometime before the "big bang". If Claire's Dad is involved with Syler, this may be the time it starts coming together. However, he does seem to care about his daughter; whether because of actual love or potential to exploit her powers, or both, is unknown.

D.L. at least provides a good counter to the other male black character who simply acts as a mute slave.

So, like I said, not a bad episode but not as cool as last week's. I have no love lost for Nikki so if the writers actually did plan on offing her it wouldn't offend me, other than we'd have a void to fill (you need at least two females on a "team" with powers these days). Her Alter Ego isn't exactly "evil", just has no qualms about doing nasty things to obtain her objectives, whereas Nikki was more passive and grief stricken. Granted, Green Goblin could be argued as simular, "only doing what is best for Osborn" (least back in the day).

Still hooked on the show and will be watching more. I'd rather they not introduce too many new characters and focus on the ones at hand. Nathan & Matt skipped this one, for instance.

[Hiro]

First time through I couldn't really enjoy it because I didn't get what I wanted - Peter with Simone trying to find the missing panel - Hiro getting to NY and meeting Peter and Isaac - The good guys starting to get a clue on where Claire is.

But I just watched it for a second time without the expectations and it was actually pretty good. Next week for the good stuff.

I hope Eden and HRG don't screw up Isaac too much.

[AnimeJune]

I liked the whole interaction between Isaac and Peter - they moved quite smoothly out of the "awkwaaaard" phase and into something interesting.

[nexgenpresident]

a did anyone catch the part when hiro&ando were in the bathroom.you can hear the poker-dudes..say "hey who invited her" then something else before...well you know what happen to them after that.... thanks for the welcome animejune

[ragdus]

Yeah it's pretty obvious that was evil Nikki killing them.... since, um, she mentions doing it later in the show.

[nexgenpresident]

yes it is ..but i was just stating the not so obvious hint that shows it was her before she mentioned anything about it...thas all

[GhostPoet]

Am I the only one that finds Niki to be a really interesting character? She's got two sides and the evil side seems to have the most control...and infact took control of her for a very short period of time just to SHOW her who is in control here...She's sadistic and selfish.

[3 Dev Adam]

I like Niki as well, mainly because of the fact that she looks a helluva lot like Ali Larter. :-)

[Hulkfan]

I wish someone would post pics of when DL phased his hand through "second" Nikki. :(

[Lone Wolf]

I wish someone would post pics of when DL phased his hand through "second" Nikki. :(
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/333/nikkilj7.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=)

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3810/nikki2hr3.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=)

[Hulkfan]

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/333/nikkilj7.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=)

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3810/nikki2hr3.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=)


WOOT. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Batman, what about pics of the comics Micah was showing DL? The one of that guy, who was like a villain. and the one that everyone thinks looked like a kind of "Hulk like :hyper:" Nikki?

[3 Dev Adam]

Cheapo FX, but it works within the overall drama.

[Lone Wolf]

WOOT. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Batman, what about pics of the comics Micah was showing DL? The one of that guy, who was like a villain. and the one that everyone thinks looked like a kind of "Hulk like :hyper:" Nikki?
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6596/nikki3xh4.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=)

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2794/nikki4df3.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=)

[3 Dev Adam]

Hey, it's Comics Code approved!

[ragdus]

I just hope the writers utilize a stronger explanation than purely destiny to explain all the coincidences. I really do love the show, but all these unexplained coincidences will eventually start to drag it down.

How exactly are they unexplained? We know how Hiro bumped into Nathan. Peter to Suresh. Nathan to Niki. Peter to Isaac. Nathan & Peter. Hiro to Peter, etc.


It's been explained how they came to run into one another.

[-Æ-]

Well that does retain the fact that DL phasing is really really advanced to be able to phase and keep an solid form simutaneously. So its most likely that hes able to reconstruct matter at a single touch around him. Thus causing the ripples that happens whenever hes entering into something like Nickis chest.

[AnimeJune]

Am I the only one that finds Niki to be a really interesting character? She's got two sides and the evil side seems to have the most control...and infact took control of her for a very short period of time just to SHOW her who is in control here...She's sadistic and selfish.That's just it - Evil Nikki isn't selfish - Evil Nikki's motivations are to protect Micah and herself.

The reason she's considered evil is because she resorts to evil means to protect herself and Micah.

[3 Dev Adam]

Like any mother would do, including me.

[moguy]

How exactly are they unexplained? We know how Hiro bumped into Nathan. Peter to Suresh. Nathan to Niki. Peter to Isaac. Nathan & Peter. Hiro to Peter, etc.


It's been explained how they came to run into one another.

I hate to harp on the show, because I think that 95% of it is great and it is my favourite new show so far.

The meetings were "shown", but they certainly weren't "explained" in any way other than coincidence.

Out of the 10,000 cabs in New York, Peter hops into the one Suresh is driving.
Hiro ends up getting dumped in front of the same diner that Nathan flies down to. Hiro also happens to be the only one looking out the window at the time.
Hiro's buddy happens to be obsessed with Nikki (out of 1000's of possible webcam strippers)
Peter happens to be competing for Issac's girlfriend
Niki is blackmailed to sleep with NathanThe list just goes on and on.

Statistically speaking (based on a liberal approximation of 1 powered person per 1,000,000 humans), each one of these meetings would still have an infintesimal possiblity of occurring.

So unless we have some higher force orchestrating events, or we have some other explanation to how powered individuals are drawn to each other, then I guess "destiny" will have to be the "explanation".

It's a little fustrating because I really like it when cast members first meet each other. It's a great dynamic. It's just the whole "destiny" explanation seems a little contrived.

This is the same sort of thing that drives me nuts in Lost. Although to be fair, it's season three of that show and I'm still watching.

Flame away!

Cheers,

Mo :)

[sc12een17am3]

didnt hero explain it a little more? saying its the spirit of the hero which gravitates them to where they are needed.

[moguy]

didnt hero explain it a little more? saying its the spirit of the hero which gravitates them to where they are needed.

Well that would help explain some of the occurences (where someone is helped in some way).

[GhostPoet]

That's just it - Evil Nikki isn't selfish - Evil Nikki's motivations are to protect Micah and herself.

The reason she's considered evil is because she resorts to evil means to protect herself and Micah.

Ok, maybe selfish isn't the word...more like jealousy. I think evil Nikki just wants good Nikki and the kid to all be a "family" and that's it...no one else. No outsiders...

But I wonder how long before evil Nikki decides she should always be in control....for good Nikki's "safety"

[burning-robot]

didnt hero explain it a little more? saying its the spirit of the hero which gravitates them to where they are needed.

Mohinder does the narration not Hiro.

Is it also a coincidences that they all have that symbol around them? I mean soon they are going to meet and Niki is going to be like "you painted the same symbol as my tatoo" and Claire will be all "I doodled that on my notebook" and the Hatian is gonna think "thats the same as my neckless" and Mohinder be all "no wai, thats on me fathers book" and future-hiro appears out of nowhere and is like "check out the symbol on my sword" and im goin be like "wtf?"

[PLAS]

Mohinder does the narration not Hiro.

Is it also a coincidences that they all have that symbol around them? I mean soon they are going to meet and Niki is going to be like "you painted the same symbol as my tatoo" and Claire will be all "I doodled that on my notebook" and the Hatian is gonna think "thats the same as my neckless" and Mohinder be all "no wai, thats on me fathers book" and future-hiro appears out of nowhere and is like "check out the symbol on my sword" and im goin be like "wtf?"
wouldn't that be shweet?

[burning-robot]

...and then PLAS pops up and is all like "this is shweet" and im like "whatev"

[AnimeJune]

Ok, maybe selfish isn't the word...more like jealousy. I think evil Nikki just wants good Nikki and the kid to all be a "family" and that's it...no one else. No outsiders...

But I wonder how long before evil Nikki decides she should always be in control....for good Nikki's "safety"Nah - I think Evil Nikki's smart enough to realise that she needs a girlish, submissive "front" to keep herself safe. If she always carried herself like a superstrong, unscrupulous, murderer, she would attract a whole lot more danger than if most of the world saw her as a struggling single mother just trying to make ends meet.

[Quasar]

I just noticed inconsistencies in the Nikki / DL struggle. DL phases his right hand into Nikki's chest. The next shot is a close up of Nikki's pained face, and DL's right hand closes around her neck. The very next shot is back to showing DL's right hand still inside her chest, with neither hand anywhere near her neck. Then again a shot of Nikki's face, with DL's hand again around her neck, as she finally passes out.

[StorminNorman]

That's just it - Evil Nikki isn't selfish - Evil Nikki's motivations are to protect Micah and herself.

The reason she's considered evil is because she resorts to evil means to protect herself and Micah.

No - I think Evil Nikki (Jessica)'s intentions are to better herself. She uses Micah to manipulate Nikki - that is how she got Nikki to go for the money over DL.

[Easter Lily]

Yeah, I'm not that enamoured with evil Nikki either... and while mothers may do almost anything to protect their children... ripping people to shreds or framing husbands aren't usually on the agenda.
I'm not convinced her motives are all that pure. She may be helping her better self just to stay ahead... they are sharing the same body, afterall.

Personally I don't find the Nikki/DL storyline all that exciting... at least not exciting enough to carry an entire episode. I'd rather see more of Matt minus the missus...

[AnimeJune]

No - I think Evil Nikki (Jessica)'s intentions are to better herself. She uses Micah to manipulate Nikki - that is how she got Nikki to go for the money over DL.I have to disagree - that whole "Stay away from our son" line convinced me that she does have an interesting in keeping Micah safe.

[Sugarculted]

Ah, this show seems to be getting better with every passing episode. I love this show :up:

[Iron Fist]

Can't wait for tomorrow!

[3 Dev Adam]

I bet Future Hiro already watched the whole series.