Mind over Matter: The Official Sylar Discussion Thread

[gambitfire]

I thought we should give him a thread.

And as for having what's his name (Janus from Goldeneye) play him, that is the most brilliant idea i have heard. :D

As for the title well i figured it was pretty obvious by now his main power is telekenisis.

[ragdus]

I posted this same thing over in Claire's thread. Thoughts?

I have revised my Sylar theory based on posts I made earlier today.


I don't think Sylar's brain thievery has anything to do with his abilities. Consider: Claire was unable to regenerate until after the stick was taken from her brain. Sylar must know that if her brain is damaged she has no power (not necessarily HER but he knows there's someone out there). Also consider: Hiro tells Peter HE is the key and he needs to save Claire. Peter needs Clair's powers to stop Sylar, and Sylar needs her brain destroyed to prevent her from regenerating thus prevent Peter from gaining her power.

I suspect Sylar doesn't know WHICH hero has the regenerative abilities, or maybe the supers he's killed so far also had it and Claire is the last one. I don't know. But I don't think Sylar can gain her powers by taking her brain, he will just prevent Peter from being strong enough to beat him.

[terarist]

I don't think Sylar's brain thievery has anything to do with his abilities. Consider: Claire was unable to regenerate until after the stick was taken from her brain. Sylar must know that if her brain is damaged she has no power (not necessarily HER but he knows there's someone out there). Also consider: Hiro tells Peter HE is the key and he needs to save Claire. Peter needs Clair's powers to stop Sylar, and Sylar needs her brain destroyed to prevent her from regenerating thus prevent Peter from gaining her power.

I suspect Sylar doesn't know WHICH hero has the regenerative abilities, or maybe the supers he's killed so far also had it and Claire is the last one. I don't know. But I don't think Sylar can gain her powers by taking her brain, he will just prevent Peter from being strong enough to beat him.

Well, you're completely right. There is absolutely no proof, nor any overt implication that his abilities are derived from the brains he steals. All we have to go on is that he appears to have multiple abilities, telekinesis primary among them, and certain predilection for the brains of other super powered individuals.

Now, he could just be a deranged serial killer/psychopath, with an intense paraphilia, involving emancipated brains. Or maybe it's diet related. Who knows? But they've made an explicit (and empty brain pans are rather explicit) point of showing his fascination for brains, and their removal. I'd love to explore some other ideas as to what this fascinating tendency is really about... What are you thinking the brain stealing is about?

As for Claire, you're quite right. Her powers ceased to work when her brain was put out of commission. I'm under the assumption that the writers raise this as an important point for later. It almost felt like there was a little flashing red light "important plot point". Perhaps they wanted to make the point, juxtaposed with his brain stealing, that her ability isn't a simple immune response (as it would normally be attributed, and is, in the comics) and that it is brain dependent. So why make the point? What does it mean? What are the writers trying to say?

It's a really good point about Claire, and deserves further discussion. Because as you say, her power may be useless to Sylar, if her brain is disconnected.

I'm going to have think about this.

[cerealkiller182]

I think it makes perfect sense that the only way to kill Clair was to cut off her head (at least damage the brain well enough). It was the rule in Highlander, and frankly it was the only way to kill Wolverine (maybe not anymore but that deabte is better serves elsewere). If she were to actually loose a hand she wouldnt grow a new one. If she held the hand there it might heal, but I would guess it would just heal into a stump. Thus take of the head/brain than you got nothing.

[Advocate05]

what if Sylar is Peter from the future? Just curious.

[burning-robot]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/sigma9000/sylar.jpg

Here is a picture from NBC.com, its a picture of Sylars apartment. See anything interesting? :)

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/hro_1001_040.shtml

[sc12een17am3]

a picture of a boy? do u think thats sylar when he was younger?

[Gold Samurai]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/sigma9000/sylar.jpg

Here is a picture from NBC.com, its a picture of Sylars apartment. See anything interesting? :)

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/hro_1001_040.shtml



"paul sylar" matches up with the imdb of his first name so its entirely possible that "janus from goldeneye" will play him. That would a good cliffhanger to end chapter 6 with the first glimpse of un shadowed sylar

[ragdus]

Nice catch

[Marc]

If it is actually Sean Bean playing Sylar then the show is automatically pushed up on my "coolest thing ever" list. :D

I didn't believe it at first since he is a big name actor but looking at his current and recent projects... the guy isn't doing so great. Troy bombed, The Island was Michael Bay... so sucked AND bombed, National Treasure was meh. Plus he is in a film with Lindsey Lohan! Death knell right there, thats without mentioning his remake of the Hitcher... with like no other known cast members.

[Kaboom]

check him out as an altar boy....maybe bennet was his priest

[-Æ-]

It is possible that sylar is taking the brains away not to leave evidence. Thus the African gentlment with Mr. Bennett (Glasses Man) can read peoples minds also, and can also erase them. So maybe Sylar knows of this, and doesn't want to leave a trace of what events took place. Kind of extreme, but its plausible.

[terarist]

Oh, fyi: Sylar may also have cryokinesis (is that what its' called?). I was just looking over the stills from the show, and he froze the agent outside the girls room. Or she did.

[gambitfire]

It is possible that sylar is taking the brains away not to leave evidence. Thus the African gentlment with Mr. Bennett (Glasses Man) can read peoples minds also, and can also erase them. So maybe Sylar knows of this, and doesn't want to leave a trace of what events took place. Kind of extreme, but its plausible.

Good Theory, me likes.

[burning-robot]

Nice catch

I saw it posted on Sylars wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylar Gotta love that wikipedia.

[Babs Gordon]

I'm gonna stick to my guns in believing that Sylar is picking up people's powers until someone proves me wrong. I'm not in a mad rush to figure the show out before I see it.

[Booznian]

If Sean Bean was cast as Sylar (Hes my #1 Favorite Actor), I would basically marry Heroes.

[Advocate05]

I'm gonna stick to my guns in believing that Sylar is picking up people's powers until someone proves me wrong. I'm not in a mad rush to figure the show out before I see it.

I feel the same way. I think he's actually taking powers. I think he's more like Rogue than Peter.

[gambitfire]

i thought Rogue was like Peter. :p

Since they both just borrow powers.

Well actually Sylar and Peter are both like Rogue

Rogue can either bower powers like Peter or she can take powers at the expense of anothers life like Sylar.

X-Men sets standards. :D

[The Question]

It doesn't seem likely to me that Sylar steals powers. All of his feats can be easily explained with a mastery of telekinesis. Even the freezing thing could be explained with telekinesis on a molecular level. If Sylar is Patient Zero, then he's most likely had his powers or has been aware of his powers the longest, and thus has had the most time to hone them.

[terarist]

It's a comic book show for an unsophisticated non-comic book reading audience. If it has the effect of different things, it's quite likely that they'll explain it as separate powers.

Besides, it adds a level of jeopardy to the show if he's actually amassing abilities. It raises the threat level, and the need to stop him soon, before the abilities grow too far.

though, I was rethinking the freezing thing. Maybe its' the girl he's afer that was hiding in the fbi? I dunno. Why is he after the girl? Why did he risk infiltrating a federal building to get her?

Questions, questions, questions.

[Advocate05]

i thought Rogue was like Peter. :p

Since they both just borrow powers.

Well actually Sylar and Peter are both like Rogue

Rogue can either bower powers like Peter or she can take powers at the expense of anothers life like Sylar.

X-Men sets standards. :D

Sylar more like Rogue where its touch.

Peter like Mimic where its proximity.

[The Question]

It's a comic book show for an unsophisticated non-comic book reading audience. If it has the effect of different things, it's quite likely that they'll explain it as separate powers.

Besides, it adds a level of jeopardy to the show if he's actually amassing abilities. It raises the threat level, and the need to stop him soon, before the abilities grow too far.

though, I was rethinking the freezing thing. Maybe its' the girl he's afer that was hiding in the fbi? I dunno. Why is he after the girl? Why did he risk infiltrating a federal building to get her?

Questions, questions, questions.

Maybe it's just because she was a witness who could identify him, and he wants to remain unprofiled for as long as possible.

[gambitfire]

Regardless I'm with the Question, i think it can all be explained wit Tek based abilities.

Too claim that this is far fetched for the already far fetched is very well far fetched. :p

[gambitfire]

Sylar more like Rogue where its touch.

Peter like Mimic where its proximity.

I just ment with the extent of what can be done though. :)

[Goddessreicho]

Heroes is what Singer wanted the X-movies to be. :P

By the way if Sean Bean is Sylar, then it's like best birthday present ever!!!!

But why why why!!! Sean is always a bad guy, an awful good guy, the traitor or the dead guy. I love him equally as much as Christian Bale and Djimon Hounsu. And I would love to do him just as much, but why why why is he always the same kind of character!

Please Sean, please, get some depth. I love you and want to see your skill expand. PLEASE!!!!

[Goddessreicho]

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[muscaremy]

if sylar was an altar boy .....now we know y he is the way he is....ZINGGG.....hahah

[The Question]

if sylar was an altar boy .....now we know y he is the way he is....ZINGGG.....hahah

Actually, one of my theories is that as a child he was assaulted by a priest and his first kill was beating the priest to death with a metal cross in self defense.

[sc12een17am3]

o wow interesting, if thats true get ready for protestors from hardcore christians lol

[gambitfire]

if sylar was an altar boy .....now we know y he is the way he is....ZINGGG.....hahah


NOT COOL. :o

i only giggled.....a little bit. BUt still not cool.

[Lando7763]

though, I was rethinking the freezing thing. Maybe its' the girl he's afer that was hiding in the fbi? I dunno. Why is he after the girl? Why did he risk infiltrating a federal building to get her?

I'm glad someone else feels the same way. I posted in another forum the same premise, but I also expanded it a bit.

Anyone think that the murdered family was Claire's birth family, and that whoever it was who killed them was after Claire, not knowing she'd been adopted by the Bennets, years earlier? Think about it. Matt finds the girl in hiding. Whoever killed the family (we only assume it's Sylar, when for all we know he hasn't made an apperance yet. The guy at the station could be working WITH Sylar) isn't going to give the girl time to run and hide. I'm thinking the parents were aware that it was about to hit the fan, and sent the girl into hiding because they know how important she is. For all we know the family was just as involved with the origins of "Patient Zero" as Mr. Bennett probably is. One thing we certainly can agree on, is that it wasn't a random incident.

[The Question]

I'm glad someone else feels the same way. I posted in another forum the same premise, but I also expanded it a bit.

Anyone think that the murdered family was Claire's birth family, and that whoever it was who killed them was after Claire, not knowing she'd been adopted by the Bennets, years earlier? Think about it. Matt finds the girl in hiding. Whoever killed the family (we only assume it's Sylar, when for all we know he hasn't made an apperance yet. The guy at the station could be working WITH Sylar) isn't going to give the girl time to run and hide. I'm thinking the parents were aware that it was about to hit the fan, and sent the girl into hiding because they know how important she is. For all we know the family was just as involved with the origins of "Patient Zero" as Mr. Bennett probably is. One thing we certainly can agree on, is that it wasn't a random incident.

I think ya'll are reading too much into this. Seems to me that the family was just killed because Sylar enjoys killing things. He went after the girl because she was a witness.

[terarist]

Regardless I'm with the Question, i think it can all be explained wit Tek based abilities.

Too claim that this is far fetched for the already far fetched is very well far fetched. :p

I'm not saying it's too far fetched. I'm saying it's too sophisticated. Half the people in my office watch this show, and only 2 of us read comics. Most of them think that Sylar and Bennet are the same person. It's not that they're stupid, they're just not sophisticated comic book readers, and the intricacies of comic lore.

[terarist]

I think ya'll are reading too much into this. Seems to me that the family was just killed because Sylar enjoys killing things. He went after the girl because she was a witness.

Does anyone kill just for killings sake? I don't think so. Even with serial killers there is motivation, an advanced paraphilia, that compels them to their terrible acts. There's always something approaching motive. And given that he's clearly a large part of the plot, his motivation has to be something a little more thought out than.

And even if he's going after the girl, because she's a witness, what was she a witness to? Why did he make her a witness in the first place?

You know, it's kind of ironic that a user with the name "the Question" is suggesting we're reading way too much into things... :cwink:

[The Question]

Does anyone kill just for killings sake? I don't think so.

Yes, actually, there are people who kill simply because they enjoy watching things die.

Even with serial killers there is motivation, an advanced paraphilia, that compels them to their terrible acts.

Yes. But sometimes it's simply an enjoyment in killing.

There's always something approaching motive. And given that he's clearly a large part of the plot, his motivation has to be something a little more thought out than.

And even if he's going after the girl, because she's a witness, what was she a witness to? Why did he make her a witness in the first place?

She was a witness to the murder. As in, someone who could potentially identify him.

You know, it's kind of ironic that a user with the name "the Question" is suggesting we're reading way too much into things... :cwink:

Not really, no.

[terarist]

Yes, actually, there are people who kill simply because they enjoy watching things die.


Actually, serial killers (including future glimpses Sylar will fulfill the conditions for this designation) kill as a result of a compulsion, usually sexual in nature. To describe it as simply killing because they enjoy watching things die trivializes the underlying compulsion, and is a radical over-simplification of a very complex psychology.

She was a witness to the murder. As in, someone who could potentially identify him.

Yep. I'll definitely grant you that. But i'll go it one further and ask why she was a witness in the first place. Which is likely to answer much of the speculation that rages here.

Not really, no.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I've read some of the Question comics, and I've really enjoyed his run on 52. Given his proclivities as a conspiracy buff, I would have expected someone using his moniker to be a fan, and to lend themselves to the same obsessions. Clearly that assumption was fallacious, and for that I apologize.

[The Question]

Actually, serial killers (including future glimpses Sylar will fulfill the conditions for this designation) kill as a result of a compulsion, usually sexual in nature. To describe it as simply killing because they enjoy watching things die trivializes the underlying compulsion, and is a radical over-simplification of a very complex psychology.

But you yourself are over-simplifying. Some serial killers have a compulsion to kill that is of a sexual nature. As some simply enjoy killing things. Depends entirely on the crazy person in question.

Yep. I'll definitely grant you that. But i'll go it one further and ask why she was a witness in the first place. Which is likely to answer much of the speculation that rages here.

What do you mean "why?" She saw her parents murdered. The reason she survived could be as simple as Sylar not noticing she was there at the time.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend.

When did I say I was offended? :huh:

I've read some of the Question comics, and I've really enjoyed his run on 52. Given his proclivities as a conspiracy buff, I would have expected someone using his moniker to be a fan, and to lend themselves to the same obsessions. Clearly that assumption was fallacious, and for that I apologize.

He doean't really tend to over think things. While he may eventually start noticing paterns that make the seemingly simple turn out to be vastly more complex, he doesn't start thinking things more complex than they apear to be right off the bat.

[terarist]

But you yourself are over-simplifying. Some serial killers have a compulsion to kill that is of a sexual nature. As some simply enjoy killing things. Depends entirely on the crazy person in question.

I said "usually" sexual. Not always. That's akin to your use of "some", but also suggests alternate compulsions, not necessarily sexual. You've omitted my caveat and reduced my point to suggest something alternate to what I was proposing. Your point would have had more oomph if I'd actually said "all serial killers have a sexual compulsion". It's also erroneous to refer to serial killers as "crazy" since they aren't normally clinically crazy, are frequently actually diagnosed as sociopaths. The distinction is important, because they are completely aware of the consequences of their actions, and the moral expectations of society at large, key components to a successful "crazy" diagnosis. They can easily camouflage themselves into society. "Crazy" people cannot.

I'll admit that my expertise on this subject is not thorough. I am not completing a phd on the subject, but my knowledge has been gleaned from casual conversations with colleagues who are. So my own understanding of the serial killer is limited. And to be honest, it's not a subject I wish to gain all that more expertise in.:csad:

What do you mean "why?" She saw her parents murdered. The reason she survived could be as simple as Sylar not noticing she was there at the time.

Okay, bigger picture! Why were her parents murdered in the first place? What was the motive? How did he miss her? These were the big picture questions I was hinting at. Any pedestrian with half a brain can tell you she witnessed a murder. But that's not the question I'm asking. I'm asking why the parents were murdered in the first place. You've already made your point clear that you believe it mere happenstance, and that she was just unlucky that he decided to partake in the enjoying of the killing of her family. I disagree, and so am merely asking what possible other reason Sylar might have had for killing her family.
When did I say I was offended? :huh:
I'm Canadian. We're polite. If we think we've offended someone we apologize. If I haven't, then all is well either way.
He doean't really tend to over think things. While he may eventually start noticing paterns that make the seemingly simple turn out to be vastly more complex, he doesn't start thinking things more complex than they apear to be right off the bat.
Well, given Questions history, I have to disagree. But it's an opinion, and we don't have to agree.
I really appreciate the discussion, and love a healthy dialectic! :woot:

[gambitfire]

Great another game of Guardball..........:p

[burning-robot]

Hey, get a room you two.

I think it was mentioned before but now Im thinking Sylar is Claires biological father.

[The Question]

I said "usually" sexual. Not always. That's akin to your use of "some", but also suggests alternate compulsions, not necessarily sexual. You've omitted my caveat and reduced my point to suggest something alternate to what I was proposing. Your point would have had more oomph if I'd actually said "all serial killers have a sexual compulsion". It's also erroneous to refer to serial killers as "crazy" since they aren't normally clinically crazy, are frequently actually diagnosed as sociopaths. The distinction is important, because they are completely aware of the consequences of their actions, and the moral expectations of society at large, key components to a successful "crazy" diagnosis. They can easily camouflage themselves into society. "Crazy" people cannot.

And I consider them to be crazy. Crazy is more than just obviosuly ****ed in the head. Sometimes there's a more subtle kind of crazy.

I'll admit that my expertise on this subject is not thorough. I am not completing a phd on the subject, but my knowledge has been gleaned from casual conversations with colleagues who are. So my own understanding of the serial killer is limited. And to be honest, it's not a subject I wish to gain all that more expertise in.:csad:

My point is this: Thinking that killing people is fun is a motive.

Okay, bigger picture! Why were her parents murdered in the first place? What was the motive? How did he miss her? These were the big picture questions I was hinting at. Any pedestrian with half a brain can tell you she witnessed a murder. But that's not the question I'm asking. I'm asking why the parents were murdered in the first place. You've already made your point clear that you believe it mere happenstance, and that she was just unlucky that he decided to partake in the enjoying of the killing of her family. I disagree, and so am merely asking what possible other reason Sylar might have had for killing her family.

I don't think there is one. Way I see it, Sylar thought to himself "Gee, I feel like impaling a woman with kitchen utensils and cutting her husbands head of." He breaks into their house, kid hears (and possible sees) killings, goes to hide, Sylar doesn't notice her. He finds out about her, and goes to kill her to eliminate a potential witness who can identify him.

Well, given Questions history, I have to disagree. But it's an opinion, and we don't have to agree.

Do you even know his entire history?

[terarist]

Well, I disagree with your ideas on "crazy". I actually think the distinction is important. But it's opinion, and really, you can't argue with opinion, you can only disagree.

As for motive, I don't believe that "killing for fun" is actually a motive. It too is opinion, so we will have to continue to disagree.

Spontaneous acts of random impaling? I live in Canada. It's not something very common up here. At least not without an underlying pathology. Though perhaps I'm naive?

I don't know the entire history of anything. I have acquired some knowledge, which has informed my impression, leading to me opinions/conclusions, which have informed this discussion. If you want to argue the rightness or wrongess of opinion, you're on your own.

[The Question]

Spontaneous acts of random impaling? I live in Canada. It's not something very common up here. At least not without an underlying pathology. Though perhaps I'm naive?

Of course it's not common. Serial killers in general aren't common.

[zorander]

Here's an idea...

What if Sylar gets a power bost from the brains (consumption/other means), and while this was going on the wife of the brain doner walked in on him. He then uses his powers (which I believe to be tek) to nail her to the wall. The kid just-so-happend to be playing in her "hiding spot", and Sylar just didn't notice her. He then finds out about a possible witness through media or another outlet (perhaps government contacts) and goes back to tie up any loose ends.

[gambitfire]

I dunno who this is, is it Sylar?

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f46/Gambitfire/Guy4rmHereoes.jpg

he's seen heating up a cup and making bubbles.

is there a thread on this?

[Lucy in the sky]

What episode has he been in?

[Lucy in the sky]

What episode has he been in?

[gambitfire]

LOL my last thread was closed ishould of been more specific,

The actor who plays Sylar has The Scrabble value of the actor's name exceeds 10 points

So i wanted to know who it could be.

[Mal'Akai]

Am I the only one who thinks Sylar is the dude helping Horn-Rimmed Glasses??

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I guess I was wrong on that one. Oh, well.

[Eklypze]

im just gonna throw this out there...Sylar = Linderman just a thought

[-Æ-]

Have we seen pics of Linderman yet?? I don't think there has yet.

It could be a possibilty Linderman is Sylar, reason why is for Linderman to invest into one of Isaacs paintings, maybe he knows what powers Isaac has, and is using him to track down certain people. Yet they have Isaac in the hospital now, I think that the girl (forgot her name, short brown hair) used her power to make Isaac go get treatment, because if yall noticed hes in a rehabiltation clinic. Thus comes HRG to find out more info about his daughter.

[Mrh7448]

Have we seen pics of Linderman yet?? I don't think there has yet.

It could be a possibilty Linderman is Sylar, reason why is for Linderman to invest into one of Isaacs paintings, maybe he knows what powers Isaac has, and is using him to track down certain people. Yet they have Isaac in the hospital now, I think that the girl (forgot her name, short brown hair) used her power to make Isaac go get treatment, because if yall noticed hes in a rehabiltation clinic. Thus comes HRG to find out more info about his daughter.

I've been thinking about that too, but it's apparent that Sylar can find his own victims. He hasn't seemed to need anybody to track anyone else down. Otherwise why wouldn't he buy all Isaac's paintings.

I'm still of the mind Sylar is stealing powers from people by consumming their brains. Much in the way "primitive" cultures believe you gain power from your enemies from eating their hearts etc. If this is the case though the question comes, how did he discover this ability?

Also if Sylar is stealing powers I'm starting to wonder if the final confrontation is with him in New York after he's stolen Ted's powers.

[8atman]

Anyone catch the name on folder found in the drawer that contained the picture of the boy with the soccer ball? Was it just me or did the first name start with an S and the last name something like "ilyer"?

[Superman79]

I'm still of the mind Sylar is stealing powers from people by consumming their brains. Much in the way "primitive" cultures believe you gain power from your enemies from eating their hearts etc. If this is the case though the question comes, how did he discover this ability?


I'm with oyu there...its the best explination as to why he has so many powers and others only have one.

I do love the Sylar= linderman theory...hmm....

[sc12een17am3]

Anyone catch the name on folder found in the drawer that contained the picture of the boy with the soccer ball? Was it just me or did the first name start with an S and the last name something like "ilyer"?

yeah... the tv on my computer sucks... lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/gap804/movies/iyerSanjog.jpg

[Mrh7448]

Anyone catch the name on folder found in the drawer that contained the picture of the boy with the soccer ball? Was it just me or did the first name start with an S and the last name something like "ilyer"?

I noticed that too at the time...but when he opened the folder it contain a lot of images articles about dreams. Some of the primitive drawings in there are aboriginal paintings about the Dreamtime. Why would the kid in Mohinder's dreams start pointing him in Iyler's direction if he's Sylar? Wouldn't he want to keep his identity a secret?

[That-Guy]

My Sylar theories...

First off, are we sure the spelling is "Sylar" and not "Silar?" Because I googled SILAR and came up with the following acronym: Successive Ionic Layer Adsorption And Reaction. I don't know what that is, exactly, but the name could be a reference to it. Anyway...

We know that Mohinder, Hiro, Hiro's friend (can't remember his name), Isaac, Bennet and the psychic cop (can't remember his name either) can't be Sylar. Its also been made clear that Sylar is male, so that rules out any of the female characters. So who does that leave? Well, Sylar does look like he could be that other cop who was fooling around with psych-cop's wife, but that seems like a stretch. But he does fit the physical description and the first time we saw Sylar's handiwork, it was in that cop's jurisdiction.

The policitian may be the culprit...(he seems like he may be more powerful than he lets on, but if it was him, I really don't understand his motivation). Then there's his brother Peter, whose powers aren't completely clear yet (my theory is that he has sort of a Rogue-like power where he takes on the powers of those around him; hence he can fly when he's with his bro, and he could paint the future when he was with Isaac). But Peter just doesn't appear to be evil or psychotic... plus in the preview for next week it looks like he helps Claire escape.

It could be Claire's friend (the kid who was filming her "deaths")... he seems a little to short and slight to be Sylar, but you never know. There has to be some reason he Sylar up at Claire's homecoming game. Still, it feels like a stretch.

And what of Mohinder's dad? Do we have any actual proof that he's dead? What if he has a sort of split personality power like Niki and what we saw was actually the evil version of himself "killing" the good version?

[bowskie]

didnt we see sylar in the last episode they pretty much made seem like the guy in the dinner was sylar, and he had tek powers too. So i dont think slyar is a character we've already seen

[bowskie]

on the name on the file i thought that was monhinder's sister maybe that wasnt a lil boy but his sister.

[PLAS]

My Sylar theories...

First off, are we sure the spelling is "Sylar" and not "Silar?" Because I googled SILAR and came up with the following acronym: Successive Ionic Layer Adsorption And Reaction. I don't know what that is, exactly, but the name could be a reference to it. Anyway...

We know that Mohinder, Hiro, Hiro's friend (can't remember his name), Isaac, Bennet and the psychic cop (can't remember his name either) can't be Sylar. Its also been made clear that Sylar is male, so that rules out any of the female characters. So who does that leave? Well, Sylar does look like he could be that other cop who was fooling around with psych-cop's wife, but that seems like a stretch. But he does fit the physical description and the first time we saw Sylar's handiwork, it was in that cop's jurisdiction.

The policitian may be the culprit...(he seems like he may be more powerful than he lets on, but if it was him, I really don't understand his motivation). Then there's his brother Peter, whose powers aren't completely clear yet (my theory is that he has sort of a Rogue-like power where he takes on the powers of those around him; hence he can fly when he's with his bro, and he could paint the future when he was with Isaac). But Peter just doesn't appear to be evil or psychotic... plus in the preview for next week it looks like he helps Claire escape.

It could be Claire's friend (the kid who was filming her "deaths")... he seems a little to short and slight to be Sylar, but you never know. There has to be some reason he Sylar up at Claire's homecoming game. Still, it feels like a stretch.

And what of Mohinder's dad? Do we have any actual proof that he's dead? What if he has a sort of split personality power like Niki and what we saw was actually the evil version of himself "killing" the good version?
honestly, "sylar" could pretty much be a red herring thrown by the writers to confuse viewers

as for who he really is, I thought about the whole "Sylar is Peter", and found I wasn't the only one who thought about it... it seemed reasonable at the time

but at this point, honestly, I pretty much think Sylar is just Sylar, some guy we haven't seen and whose motivations we really don't know about

which pretty much could be another red herring (those writers sure have been throwing stuff all over the place) and the real puncher is not "who" he is, but "why" he does what he does

and Mo's father was pretty much killed in his taxi, we saw that last night

[PLAS]

on the name on the file i thought that was monhinder's sister maybe that wasnt a lil boy but his sister.
it's a boy, I thougth the dream child was a girl too, but he's an outie not an innie

[bowskie]

how do you know it was a boy

[PLAS]

how do you know it was a boy
I checked :o

[ragdus]

My Sylar theories...

First off, are we sure the spelling is "Sylar" and not "Silar?" Because I googled SILAR and came up with the following acronym: Successive Ionic Layer Adsorption And Reaction. I don't know what that is, exactly, but the name could be a reference to it. Anyway...

We know that Mohinder, Hiro, Hiro's friend (can't remember his name), Isaac, Bennet and the psychic cop (can't remember his name either) can't be Sylar. Its also been made clear that Sylar is male, so that rules out any of the female characters. So who does that leave? Well, Sylar does look like he could be that other cop who was fooling around with psych-cop's wife, but that seems like a stretch. But he does fit the physical description and the first time we saw Sylar's handiwork, it was in that cop's jurisdiction.

The policitian may be the culprit...(he seems like he may be more powerful than he lets on, but if it was him, I really don't understand his motivation). Then there's his brother Peter, whose powers aren't completely clear yet (my theory is that he has sort of a Rogue-like power where he takes on the powers of those around him; hence he can fly when he's with his bro, and he could paint the future when he was with Isaac). But Peter just doesn't appear to be evil or psychotic... plus in the preview for next week it looks like he helps Claire escape.

It could be Claire's friend (the kid who was filming her "deaths")... he seems a little to short and slight to be Sylar, but you never know. There has to be some reason he Sylar up at Claire's homecoming game. Still, it feels like a stretch.

And what of Mohinder's dad? Do we have any actual proof that he's dead? What if he has a sort of split personality power like Niki and what we saw was actually the evil version of himself "killing" the good version?

Pretty much every assumption in this has already been shown to be inaccurate or false. The only factual conclusion drawn here, which has been known for weeks now, is that Peter borrows powers from those heroes around him.

[PLAS]

come to think about it, maybe the guy in black isn't even sylar

[Armand Z Trip]

From the 9th Wonders boards on the official Heroes site the votes for who is Sylar are:

Who is Sylar?
Nathan Petrelli[ 4 ] [2.02%] Peter Petrelli[ 15 ] [7.58%]Eden McKenzie 5 ][2.53%]Chandra Suresh [ 6 ] 3.03%]Cowboy man at Casino[ 1 ] [0.51%]Mr. Linderman[ 7 ] [3.54%]Mr. Bennet (a.k.a. HRG)[ 8 ] [4.04%] Petrelli Senior (supposedly dead)[ 10 ] 5.05%]Radiation Hands Man (yet unseen)[ 4 ] [2.02%]Sylar is Sylar, not someone else.[ 138 ] 69.70%]


So 69% of their votes are saying Sylar is Sylar. I like to believe he's Nathan (talking about having two lives, all that I have sinned stuff on the walls of the apartment, all that I don't want to be a hero stuff). But that's just me.

[ragdus]

Nathan already met Hiro, and Hiro told him he has powers. Did Nathan just forget that when he decided to whack Charlie, but not Hiro, in the diner?

[bowskie]

im pretty stuck on slyar being the guy in the dinner with telekenisis it makes perfect sense to me.

[ragdus]

i'll bet it does

[Mrh7448]

The only way I could see Peter Petrelli being Sylar is if he had at some point come in contact with Niki and gained the ability of the Doppleganger. The second Peter has the same abilities and discovers that by eating peoples brains he can maintain their abilities permanently....or maybe he just keeps them in jars or something....

But I'm wondering how do we know that Sylar is going after the right cheerleader? He wants Claire, that seems obvious but it doesn't necessarily mean that he knows who she is. Look at the diner situation...there were two heroes there. One was obviously "showing off" her abilities, the other has much greater abilities and both of them ended up alone at the same point. Why go after the one with the seemingly lesser ability? So can he tell who has powers and who doesn't? How does he know and how has he found these people?

Also is it possible that he saw the news reports of the Heroic cheerleader and now has his sights on the one who claimed to have saved that man, not realizing that she has absolutely no powers at all?

[Child-of-Light]

syalr is sylar becuase if you go on imdb you can see sylar listed in one of the episodes and as a diffrent actor then if you go on wikipidea you see that again but it says that that actor will be seen and is some guy if you guys just go to wikipidea heroes minor charaters wait heres the url

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylar

[primemover]

The only way I could see Peter Petrelli being Sylar is if he had at some point come in contact with Niki and gained the ability of the Doppleganger. The second Peter has the same abilities and discovers that by eating peoples brains he can maintain their abilities permanently....or maybe he just keeps them in jars or something....

But I'm wondering how do we know that Sylar is going after the right cheerleader? He wants Claire, that seems obvious but it doesn't necessarily mean that he knows who she is. Look at the diner situation...there were two heroes there. One was obviously "showing off" her abilities, the other has much greater abilities and both of them ended up alone at the same point. Why go after the one with the seemingly lesser ability? So can he tell who has powers and who doesn't? How does he know and how has he found these people?

Also is it possible that he saw the news reports of the Heroic cheerleader and now has his sights on the one who claimed to have saved that man, not realizing that she has absolutely no powers at all?

The diner scene kind of confirms any Peter = Sylar not being the case, since he would know Hiro from their previous meeting and take his powers too, but he completely ignored Hiro and only went after the girl.

Weird theory to why we are seeing so many heroes popping up, Sylar has gotten a hold of a serum, maybe since he was patient zero and escaped, and he is going around turning people into supers and when their powers mature he steals them for his own nefarious, or maybe heroic needs.

Sylar obviously doesn't have any hero sensing powers, or he'd have noticed Hiro, and it just seems so convenient that he'd be in a diner that happened to have a budding super working in it. It really seemed like he was there to collect something.

[Mrh7448]

The diner scene kind of confirms any Peter = Sylar not being the case, since he would know Hiro from their previous meeting and take his powers too, but he completely ignored Hiro and only went after the girl.

Weird theory to why we are seeing so many heroes popping up, Sylar has gotten a hold of a serum, maybe since he was patient zero and escaped, and he is going around turning people into supers and when their powers mature he steals them for his own nefarious, or maybe heroic needs.

Sylar obviously doesn't have any hero sensing powers, or he'd have noticed Hiro, and it just seems so convenient that he'd be in a diner that happened to have a budding super working in it. It really seemed like he was there to collect something.

I don't really think Peter is Sylar...doesn't make sense the only possibility to have this scenario...it seems to me would be to have the evil doppleganger but that's such a huge stretch at this point.

I agree I don't think Sylar has any hero sensing ability either. This is why I'm wondering if he might end up going after the wrong cheerleader. If he did then it would explain why he would go after Isaac in the "alternate future".

[Poeman]

at imdb, people are saying this guy is sylar
and wikipedia is sourcing he has some role
http://imdb.com/gallery/hh/0704270/iid_1021493.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Quinto,%20Zachary&seq=2

http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/47844_sylar3.jpg.html
Sylar and Zachary Quinto
http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/47846_sylar4.jpg.html

[Child-of-Light]

see it did say it i think sylar could feed of their energy or something like that i also think he might be that atomic bomb thing possibly

[PowersOfMind]

One thing I didnt pay attention to before was why exactly would Sylar need Claire's powers? In a earlier episode Matt put a few bullets in Sylar and he just got up a flew away. So if bullets cant harm him why does he need Claire's powers(that is assuming that Claire is what he is really after of course)?

[Armand Z Trip]

One thing I didnt pay attention to before was why exactly would Sylar need Claire's powers? In a earlier episode Matt put a few bullets in Sylar and he just got up a flew away. So if bullets cant harm him why does he need Claire's powers(that is assuming that Claire is what he is really after of course)?

Very interesting, maybe it's a bait and switch; he wants Peter or maybe Hiro. Like Magneto wanted Rogue in the X Men movie while the whole time everyone thought he was after Wolverine.

[That-Guy]

Nathan already met Hiro, and Hiro told him he has powers. Did Nathan just forget that when he decided to whack Charlie, but not Hiro, in the diner?


Well, it's possible that Nathan could be Sylar and is using Hiro; following him around since Hiro is obviously seeking out other heroes. Once he gets them all, or all of the ones he needs, then he'll kill Hiro. Just a possibility.

[PowersOfMind]

Very interesting, maybe it's a bait and switch; he wants Peter or maybe Hiro. Like Magneto wanted Rogue in the X Men movie while the whole time everyone thought he was after Wolverine.

It a possiblity. I dont know why I hadnt thought of that before. I guess because with the "Save the Cheerleader. Save the World" line everyone just assumed he was after her powers. But then I thought, he was shot and walked away from it so does he really need her powers?
Maybe he doesnt want Peter to have them, because how do you beat someone who can mimic every power you have and on top of that cant die?

[ragdus]

Well, it's possible that Nathan could be Sylar and is using Hiro; following him around since Hiro is obviously seeking out other heroes. Once he gets them all, or all of the ones he needs, then he'll kill Hiro. Just a possibility.

Or not, since Sylar has already struck several times without Hiro being anywhere near any of it.

[-Æ-]

One thing I didnt pay attention to before was why exactly would Sylar need Claire's powers? In a earlier episode Matt put a few bullets in Sylar and he just got up a flew away. So if bullets cant harm him why does he need Claire's powers(that is assuming that Claire is what he is really after of course)?


Its possible he just used his telekinetic powers to stop the bullets before hitting him.

I think that he goes after Claire for her true healing ability, so he can go after the nuclear guy, because he knows how powerful that guy is, hes going to need all he has to catch him off guard...probabilty.

[PowersOfMind]

Well it looked like the bullets hit him and he just stood right back up. But I wont rule out what you said becuase you might be right.

[Antrax255]

What if Peter was syklar in the future since he could absorb the powers of others

[PowersOfMind]

Its one of the theories flying around that Peter might be Sylar but nothing has been proven yet Antrax

[nexgenpresident]

a small theories i have on sylars next kill...i think that at homecoming there going to give out an award to that other cheerleader that sed she saved the guy from the train wreck. sylar sees her kills her...OR there giving out the awards and claire steps in says she saved the guy not that other chick sylar sees this trys to kill them both. he kills the other one, but peter comes to save the day..ohh and claire

[GhostPoet]

My theory is that he wants to take Claires powers because then he can get close enough to Radioactive guy to take HIS powers...only problem is that when he trys, radioactive guy blows up.

[primemover]

It a possiblity. I dont know why I hadnt thought of that before. I guess because with the "Save the Cheerleader. Save the World" line everyone just assumed he was after her powers. But then I thought, he was shot and walked away from it so does he really need her powers?
Maybe he doesnt want Peter to have them, because how do you beat someone who can mimic every power you have and on top of that cant die?

This is what I am thinking too.

[primemover]

My theory is that he wants to take Claires powers because then he can get close enough to Radioactive guy to take HIS powers...only problem is that when he trys, radioactive guy blows up.

Don't think so, Radiation Man isn't dangerous to be around all the time, he can sneak up to him like he snuck up to Miss Memory, or just as easily use some of his other powers like TK to decapitate him or just plain disable him that way.

[Prevail]

Has this been posted here yet? This is the "supposed" casting for Sylar.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=af8ac833-69bc-43de-92c6-30f46963ddfa&page=2

Just thought I'd put that up since all of those Nathan=Sylar theories are still kicking around.

[neemer5]

Peter is the key because he is the only one who can stop Sylar, as he can mimic Sylar.
Sylar hates other mutants. He may work for another agency, or he may be doing it alone, but my guess is that he's destroying the brains for research or to remove the evidence of mutants from public knowledge. I also believe that it is possible that he's powered by an outside force to do this (Eden? The Haitian?). He's definitely a sort-of Sentinel (forgive my X-Men Lingo) either by force or by choice. I also think his only power is telekinesis.
As for who dies, Zach is on the top of my list, as I'd figure he'd save her and also be at the homecoming dance.
One thing is for sure: Claire's parent's and their deaths are related to this matter,

[burning-robot]

My theory (that I posted in the other Sylar thread a while back.)

Sylar is referred to as "patient zero" Which is usually the first person in a population to get a virus and pass it on to others. Maybe the hero gene is transmitted similar to a virus.

Maybe Mohinders Dad developed the virus to jump start the evolutionary process to save the world from famine/war/terrorism/ect.The virus works by unlocking a humans evolutionary potential(super-power) and effects everyone differently. His book is called "Activating Evolution" after all.

Mohinders dad gave it to Sylar and he went around spreading the hero-virus around. But the virus had an unknown side effect, it also unlocked the dark-side of human potential--- it will make the heroes into villains.

Sylar realized the danger of the hero-virus. He feels responsible for spreading it. To repent for his sins he is trying to stop the outbreak by trying to kill all the heroes, before they turn super-powerful and super-evil.

I'm not sure how it is spreads but, The virus must have something to do with the brains, thats why he takes them.

Sylar is trying to save the world.

[primemover]

My theory (that I posted in the other Sylar thread a while back.)

Sylar is referred to as "patient zero" Which is usually the first person in a population to get a virus and pass it on to others. Maybe the hero gene is transmitted similar to a virus.

Maybe Mohinders Dad developed the virus to jump start the evolutionary process to save the world from famine/war/terrorism/ect.The virus works by unlocking a humans evolutionary potential(super-power) and effects everyone differently. His book is called "Activating Evolution" after all.

Mohinders dad gave it to Sylar and he went around spreading the hero-virus around. But the virus had an unknown side effect, it also unlocked the dark-side of human potential--- it will make the heroes into villains.

Sylar realized the danger of the hero-virus. He feels responsible for spreading it. To repent for his sins he is trying to stop the outbreak by trying to kill all the heroes, before they turn super-powerful and super-evil.

I'm not sure how it is spreads but, The virus must have something to do with the brains, thats why he takes them.

Sylar is trying to save the world.

We really don't know how long these other heroes have had their powers compared to to Sylar, but it seems that Claire has had them since birth and has no side effects that you mention for Sylar.

Also, I really don't think killing the other infected people sounds reasonable.

I like my theory that Sylar himself is infecting people with whatever is causing this and when their powers mature, he steals them to become more powerful.

[nexgenpresident]

good theory b.robot....but i think umm..its not all right ..if you listen to mr.bennet talking with i.mendez he mentions he along with other ppl have been tracking the supers for at least 14 yrs now....im not sure why "papa suresh called sylar patient zero hopefully we find out....

[Decaramas]

popped this on the other thread but what do you think?

I think the boy in the folder is the first victim of Sylar.Sanjog Iyer as a result of an incomplete transfer of powers or just cos it was the first time sylar had done it,it changed him causing him to take the name S.Iyer or as he calls him self Sylar.

The Sanjog Iyer will be the key to finding sylars weakness. I think he still "lives" in Sylars mind. He exists on the dreamscape and will start guiding Mohinder to set he free.

Or i might just have had to much coffee.

[-Æ-]

I believe that "boy" everyone is refering to is Mohinders passed away sister.

[ragdus]

probably too much coffee

[PowersOfMind]

I think that's the coffee talking.

[bowskie]

I believe that "boy" everyone is refering to is Mohinders passed away sister.

finally someone who thinks the samething i do why would they mention his dead sister for nothing and his mother didn't mention her until he had those dreams. So i agree with you.

[Fantastic Fan22]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/gap804/movies/iyerSanjog.jpg

Just a quick comment, people are talking about the kid in the file being S. Iyer being Sylar. Well the file folder says SANJOG, Iyer. Iyer would be the first name of the kid not the last because of the comma in front of it, that is how the folder would have been filed so the kids name would be

Iyer Sanjog

[primemover]

finally someone who thinks the samething i do why would they mention his dead sister for nothing and his mother didn't mention her until he had those dreams. So i agree with you.

That 'person' has the name Iyer Sanjog, which isn't Suresh, which is Mohinders family surname, also the actor playing Iyer is a boy. Maybe we can put this to rest, it'd be a major stretch with the given information for that person to be Mohinders sister.

[ragdus]

prime, please don't make so much sense. you ruin the rampant factless speculation going on.

[primemover]

prime, please don't make so much sense. you ruin the rampant factless speculation going on.

Bah, it's no fun when people agree with you!

[bowskie]

That 'person' has the name Iyer Sanjog, which isn't Suresh, which is Mohinders family surname, also the actor playing Iyer is a boy. Maybe we can put this to rest, it'd be a major stretch with the given information for that person to be Mohinders sister.

Yeah i guess you're right i didn't think to look at that but is that folder the file to that boy/girl or someone else i mean did i miss it or do we know for sure that file is on the boy/girl.

[ragdus]

it had a photo of the boy with the soccer ball from Mohinder's dreams paperclipped inside of it.

[burning-robot]

Mohinders mother says his sister was named Shanti, so its Shanti Suresh. Very different from Iyer Sanjog. Also Shanti died at the age of 5, way younger than Iyer, who looks around 10. Also on the NBC.com 2min recap the voice-over guy says, "Mohinder meets a boy..."

[nexgenpresident]

jus something i was thinking... if gabe is a effing watchmacker why when he killed chandra and cracked his watch all up...why didnt he fix it....just kinda as a reminder... or did the writers jus have him not fix it to set up the title of ep. 8 huh jus wondering

[nexgenpresident]

ohh and what ever happen to that whole "Paul Sylar" thing the writers had us chasing a few weeks ago...

[nexgenpresident]

sry

[ragdus]

ohh and what ever happen to that whole "Paul Sylar" thing the writers had us chasing a few weeks ago...

Red herring maybe?

[GhostPoet]

Here's a question....Anyone notice when Sylar was taking the tests to see if he had powers...the Doc said he didn't, that he was mistaken...but there was a very noticable worry to his face when he said it.

What did he see in Sylar that he didn't want him to know? Could it be Sylar's true, original power?

[phoenixflight]

Here's a question....Anyone notice when Sylar was taking the tests to see if he had powers...the Doc said he didn't, that he was mistaken...but there was a very noticable worry to his face when he said it.

What did he see in Sylar that he didn't want him to know? Could it be Sylar's true, original power?

I think that Sylar does indeed have a power. Unlike most of the Heroes we have met who have 'active' powers, Sylar has a 'passive' power (borrowing the terms from Charmed). I would call him Omni-Empathic, able to intuitively understand and determine the structure of an object, whether it is man or machine, mapping its blueprint to verify how it works by merely looking at it.

[Doomed Hero Rising]

I think it would be cool if he didn't or maybe give him some type of non aggresive power like remembering things or like figuring out how things worked like the person above me said. I think it would be cool if sylar took out the brains and either did some very crude brain surgery on himself, giving himself parts of peopls brains or have him eat it or something, like a cliff hanger would be they attack him and a toupee comes off revealing a scarred up head.

[cerealkiller182]

Im interested in what he does with the brains. I mean, the show has explained a lot of stuff fairly scientifically and within the realm of reason (to a point of course). I would think if he ate the brains wouldnt he lose the powers after completing digestion?

I know it is a silly question but I prefer it when sci-fi stories stay on a certain course either complete fantasy where almost anything is possible or the realm of reason where extraordinary things are explained with logic(like Blade the movie or X-Men)

[Caliber]

I figured he studied the brains of those he kills. That blueprinting power sounds cool.

[Longshot777]

Yes. Indeed.

Sylar's main power is finding out, "how things work or what makes them tick."


If i'm not mistaken, didn't he gain the telekinisis after killing the first super being with telekinetic power??

[Eddie Brock]

ohh and what ever happen to that whole "Paul Sylar" thing the writers had us chasing a few weeks ago...
it's called IMPATIENCE and LOOKING TOO FAR INTO IT

the saying is "if you build it, they will come"
well mine is "if you wait, answers will come"

don't force something out of nothing

[phoenixflight]

it's called IMPATIENCE and LOOKING TOO FAR INTO IT

the saying is "if you build it, they will come"
well mine is "if you wait, answers will come"

don't force something out of nothing

Paul Sylar may have been the watcher designer, thus naming his product after himself. Once Gabriel selected his name, he may have researched it to find out more about the individual.