Should Carnage be the villain in Spidey 4?

[Spider-ManHero12]

tell me what you think.

[Spider-Kurt!]

I vote "no" unless most of the old school classics have already been used. Personally, I'd rather see Electro, the Lizard, Kraven, Mysterio and even the Vulture and the Hobgoblin first. It's not that Carnage is a bad character but I feel that other than great visuals, he just wouldn't add much to a story plot.

[Spider-ManHero12]

if they are done with venom in spidey3, they should have the lizard as the villian in spidey4, if venom survives, then it should be venom and lizard as the main villian.

[The Symbiotic]

I vote yes due to the only reason that Raimi had no original reason to use Venom until confronted by Stan Lee. Why the hell would you decide to make a movie involving one of the most legendary comic villains such as Venom in one movie...include for the final 10 mins just to set up Spider Man 4 and Have the Lizard come in. WTF is gonna happen to Eddie Brock/Venom. Theres no point in bringing the lizard in. If he is in the movie, why dont they give him a 10 minute cameo? We want to see what Venom does in the 4th one. Carnage is the only logical villain for the 4th due to the fact that:

A: Venom is at the final 10 mins of the movie(Like I just said)
B: SM4 will most definately show what happens to Eddie after his encounter with the symbiote. (Thus Ravencroft Institute meeting Kasady)
C: And boom, spawn of Venom.

Once again no point in starting an SM4 if you end the 3rd with Venom only being in it for 10 mins. Cause we want to see more of him and the birth of Carnage.

[symbioitemaster]

i voted yes because carnage is one of spidermans most vile villians other than VENOM!!!!!!!

[Cyclops]

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How many tiiimes must a thread be posted, before they can call it real old?

[lordofthenerds]

I voted 'yes' since it would follow up to the symbiote story-line in 3.

[Shadow_Knight]

That's exactly why I chose yes because the whole story line to Spider-Man 3, to me it makes since to bring Carnage in the 4 movie.

[DarkArachknight]

it is really doubtful that they would use another symbiote villain if they made a fourth movie. the only reason Raimi even put venom in 3 is, for one, because the studio made him, and two, because he was able to find humanity in the character. carange doesn't have that humanity. i suppose he could be reworked a bit, but if raimi's still helming the movies, and i hope he would be, carnage is definitely out of the picture.

[BobJM]

If Eddie dies in SM3, then I say no.

If Eddie survives in SM3, then I say maybe.

Carnage isn't really anything but a poor man's Venom, in my opinion. A mass murdering maniac with a symbiote advantage. No real story there.

[usernameinuse]

I don't think Raimi would dare to do that.
Way too many blood for a child's movie. And without the mass murder, it isn't really Carnage.

[TheGraphicsGuy]

I voted yes cuz without carnage, venom will be nothing, becuase he is like his evil twin :wow:

[fallenAngel]

Since these movies focus on Peter (and Mj) and care only about telling their story first and foremost, I say no carnage. Unless maybe if Venom comes back somehow, but that sounds boring.

Cletus has no relationship to Spider man, and Carnage seems more like Venom's villain at times. Venom works better because his orgin is central to Spider man's story, carnage has nothing to do with it.

I would rather have another goblin, than another symbiot.

[Eternalzero]

Since these movies focus on Peter (and Mj) and care only about telling their story first and foremost, I say no carnage. Unless maybe if Venom comes back somehow, but that sounds boring.

Cletus has no relationship to Spider man, and Carnage seems more like Venom's villain at times. Venom works better because his orgin is central to Spider man's story, carnage has nothing to do with it.

I would rather have another goblin, than another symbiot.

Agreed, Goblins in flying pads w/ lots of explosives are cool.
But that's one too many goblins for a series in my opinion.

[symbiotespidy]

No would like to see just venom cont. from sm3 or a brand new villian like Lizard or vulture.

[VENOMOUS!!]

i guess i dont really know but it wouldnt be rite without carnage following on from venom so maybe.

[TheGraphicsGuy]

yeh thats kinda true.... things like the ps1 games...(:word::word::word::word: lol) there was carnage in them as a follow on from venom so yeh i kinda agree...

[NolGoyHater]

I don't think Raimi would dare to do that.
Way too many blood for a child's movie. And without the mass murder, it isn't really Carnage.

^^^I concur 200%. Carnage is too much for a Spidey movie. He would have to be watered down too much. I love Venom and Carnage, but those 2 should duke it out in a rated -R Venom spin off movie. Just let them slaughter each other.

[GoldGoblin]

Forget Carnage,I want to see classic,and new types of villains that we haven't gotten yet.

[Mr Jide]

Personally, I'd rather see Lizard i sm4 but if Venom impresses in sm3, then I wouldn't mind seeing carnage and dont think the studio wont go there because they will. With the way sm3's going, its going to be pretty hard to top.

[Kent]

No Carnage before Lizard, and/or Scorpion, and/or Rhino, and/or Vulture, and/or Electro, and/or Chameleon, and/or Smythe & his Spider-slayers, and/or Kraven is in a movie.

[Warhammer]

I want Electro.
Lizard is great, too.

Hell no to Carnage.

[Bnightwing]

yes i would like carnage but not yet maybe 5 or somethin like that but i rather have like mystrio and team ups and all that like spidey with the FF or black cat

[spider greg]

Naaaahhhh. I'm not to big on Carnage. Bring on the Lizard!

[DyeLorean]

It depends on what happens here. If the symbiote story-line is well received and succesful, Venom/Eddie survives, then COUNT ME IN.

BUT for that, they should at least name or hint or make a cameo of Cletus Kasady in the 3rd one.

This would also create a continuity that Spider Man movies has, a very valuable thing that Batman, for example, lacks completely.

I don't know if I would make Carnage as the lead villain, though. I still have my doubts.

I voted yes.

D! (dyego)

[DACrowe]

Nah. Lizard is a better villain and if you mix that with Kraven's Last Hunt and relate maybe Pete and MJ wanting to have a family and seeing what Lizard does to the Conners family....it'll just be more interesting.

[The IronMan]

definitely the lizard

[The Shredder]

No.

I would much rather see the oldschool villains such as Electro, Mysterio, and The Lizard finally make an appearance in the next sequel than Carnage.

Considering Venom is in 3, let's give the symbiote saga a rest for awhile before introducing Carnage.

[Doomriderr666]

The Lizard hands down. Better villain, better character, better opportunity for story

Carnage isn't movie material

[Venom 1988]

Pffft I'd rather see The Spot than Carnage :o

Im still wanting to see villains like the Lizard, Mysterio, and Scorpion.

[GoldGoblin]

No.

I would much rather see the oldschool villains such as Electro, Mysterio, and The Lizard finally make an appearance in the next sequel than Carnage.

Considering Venom is in 3, let's give the symbiote saga a rest

^:up:

[Redwoods Wolf]

HECK no.

And I use the word "heck" because I think that's the nicest word I could find off the top of my head.

Carnage is fine for the comic books. He's a standard psychopath kind of character. But I think it would destroy any sort of humorous tone or lightness and that, for me, would really just kill the saga.

I vote that SM-3 ends with Peter and MJ gettin' hitched, and that thar be the end. 3's a good number. But, if you INSIST on another movie...and if you could do it plausibly...some form of the Sinister 6 or something.

[CAH]

Yes. Carnage should be brought in, but not in SM4.

IN SM5 or 6...have Cletus Kasady as the complete psycho that he is! No changes! No sympathetic story for him PLEASE!

And if he does appear on film, PLEASE Sony make him look like this...

http://http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/large/4313.jpg

^THAT is the only way Carnage should look, don't change his look at all. I can't think of anyone good to play Cletus Kasady though, maybe later.

For SM4, The Lizard absolutely HAS to be the main villain. For a side villain, throw in The Vulture or Kraven.

For SM5, I'd say Mysterio as main villain, with The Scorpion, Electro, and Black Cat as side villains.

For SM6, Carnage as the main villain PLEASE, with The Chameleon and Rhino as side villains.

I would've said The Hobgoblin for SM6, but people don't want to see anymore Goblins probably...

CAH

[ronzpeed]

if sm4 is a spiderman/venom movie, not just spiderman, then yes put carnage, but only if he's venom's villain. if it's mostly a spidey movie, then no. the villains should be lizard, kraven, and venom. also, venom should be in sm 4, 5, and 6

[Spiderine]

Carnage, absolutely not.

[Fenriswolf]

The character has ALWAYS been horribly written in any format. He would have to be rewritten as a genuine psychopath. Someone who really is just disturbed. He doesnt have to be running around laughing and killing, he can have violent mood swings going from near catatonia to utter dispair or rage. Cruel to Kind back and forth. It would give Spidey and Venom something to fight against ending with Venom coming to peace with his misplaced hate for Peter and himself as a person. A character who is insane also brings it back to the theme of responsibility. At what point must a person be made accountable for their actions deranged or not? How far will they go to stop someone who really cant control himself? Could Peter really allow himself to use deadly force even if it was that only way to stop him?

[vegeta21]

A good way to include Carnage would be to have Venom be the main villain in Spider-Man 4, assuming he doesn't die in 3. Start it off with Spider-Man bringing in Kassidy. Kassidy shares a cell with Brock, not unlike the comics. The symbiote returns to Brock and he escapes prison, "its PAYBACK time Spider-*****!".

So good portion of the movie will be Venom tormenting Peter, then all of a sudden a new player enters the mix its none other than Cletus Kassidy, as Carnage. We find out that the sybiote spawned while breaking Eddie out of Prison. Brock, still having a shred of morality left knows he can't let this monster go around killing innocents so he forms an uneasy alliance with Peter, promising to kill him good when they are done. Of course Peter realizes that even though Kassidy is a killer, he cannot let Venom kill him, but despite his best efforts Venom overpowers him and pushes Carnage into an electrical genrator, not unlike in Maximum Carnage. Though unlike Maximum Carnage, neither of them survive.

That is assuming Venom survives 3 of course.

[Arcturus]

Yes, Carnage for SM-4.

[Masteryada]

No. Lizard all the way.

[venom628]

im gonne hafe to say yes (if venom will be in SM4)

[Spiderine]

No.

[New Shoe Smell]

I think carnage would be a bit too soon.
Though I think, as an opening scene, there should be a fight with Venom.
SM5, (they're making six of them) should feature the symbiote busting Ediie out, and thus creating Carnage through Cletus.

[TheGraphicsGuy]

I'd vote no because Spiderman is a film for all ages, therefore Carnage would be a straight no, seeing as he is so violent.

[cj55]

Yes, carnage should be the next villian. It will be a better movie because in the comic spider-man and venom have to team up against carnage because he is stronger then the both of them. I think it would be pretty interesting have to enemies team up to take on a stronger one.

[Spider-Fan83]

would i mind him being a villian in it, i guess, not
would i want him to be "the" villian of the movie, no

[TheGraphicsGuy]

spider-man and venom have to team up against carnage because he is stronger then the both of them.

Well, unless a microscopic piece of symbiote was left after the blast or some people bring back some more of it, then there is no more venom, therefore no more Carnage. Maybe... Dr. O'Connors (aka Lizard) kept some for himself?! :oldrazz:

[shogunrua]

I voted no. Because I think the villain for SM4 is logically the lizard. We've seen Doc Connors for the last two movies...I just don't want a rehash of Doc Ock from SM2 if you know what I mean. And the way they used Venom in SM3, I started to think that they'll only use Carnage as a villain just for the visual appeal of it and the great deal of action he'll bring...and it will show that somehow they just don't have more interesting Character-driven stories...but if some screenwriter comes up with a great story for him and give him some depth (something he kind of lacks in the comics), then why not.

But personaly I think that we won't see any Spidey and Venom team-up, it was believable in the comics because in the comics Venom cared (in his own twisted way) for the innocents, and it was because of that that he agreed to team with Spidey against Carnage in the first place. That feeling towards innocent people is something movie Venom completely lacks ("I like being bad, it makes me happy"). I would find it pretty unbelievable for him to show up in the first place AND to team up with Spidey. But it's a movie, in the end they can make whatever they want.

[Immortalfire]

Only if you want a violent, blood soaked Spidey movie.

[TheGraphicsGuy]

... seeing as he is so violent.

Only if you want a violent, blood soaked Spidey movie.

Thankyou Immortalfire, exactly what I was trying to say.

[Harry Goblin]

well they puled it off in animated series but i stil voted no. i mean hell i want carnage alot but right after the reaction of venoms movie debut? no no wait awhile. like right after lizard is dead the police like look in his labs and find the symbiote. take it to the station where cassidy is because he was arrested and then it gets on cassidy. thats how 4 should end leading to 5. just carnage. everyone thinks since three had three villians 4 5 and 6 need more than one.

[weezerspider]

simply put, no. I don't mind him being in a movie, but its time we had a break from symbiotes and get some new, different villain. They should do what they did the Goblins. They had GG in SM1 and then took a break from goblins in 2 and then let Harry become a goblin thing (Was he reallly a goblin?) in 3. Wait atleast 'till five. They could introduce Kassady though. They could begin his character developement in 4, so in 5 he could bond with the symbiote early in the picture.

[Harry Goblin]

he doesnt need too much develope ment so dont give him all of 4. but harry was a goblin and i thought he kicked ass

[sooner10e]

tell me what you think.
yes he should but than it will be rated R not pg 13 and the third one wasnt that good who says they are going to make a fourth one

[sooner10e]

yeah lala

[DACrowe]

Well it is obvioius that he will eventually end up in the movies. But let Raimi do his SM4 and after his conclusion with hopefully the Lizard living and a happy ending to go out on with Peter and MJ tying the knot we get a "mini-cliffhanger" in between with the symbiote piece in the lab that has been growing all movie in the background escaping.

So Raimi gets off with a lovely bow in SM4 as opposed to SM3 and then Sony can do their Venom-fun in SM5 with a new cast and directorr, thusly.

[mjbull23]

Agreed. I would rather see Lizard, Mysterio, Rhino, Kraven, and possibly even the Vulture before I see Carnage.

[coreymb16]

Yes, if they allow him to have a lot of screen time.

[Visionary]

Only if you want a violent, blood soaked Spidey movie.
Yes...I do. ;)

With THE LIZARD and KRAVEN THE HUNTER.

[Chris B]

I don't think he should appear before 'Spider-Man 6' if anything.

[Spiderine]

I don't think he should appear before 'Spider-Man 6' if anything.
I don't think at all.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't think at all. I couldn't agree more. Carnage defenitley shouldn't be in a Spidey Film. one of the reasons is because they would have to tone down his Character which is something that is not good and another reason is because he's a useless Character.

[fallenAngel]

I would like atleast one more movie before the crapfest that is carnage ruins these movies.

I don't want him at all. But it will happen sooner or later unfortunately.

[KangConquers]

Maybe Carnage in like...Spider-Man 9.

There are too many better+ more important villains.

[KangConquers]

No Carnage before Lizard, and/or Scorpion, and/or Rhino, and/or Vulture, and/or Electro, and/or Chameleon, and/or Smythe & his Spider-slayers, and/or Kraven is in a movie.


Exactly. All of the good villains need to be in the movies first. If they really want to James Bond this thing, than sure...go for Carnage in 15-20 years. But not now.

[MEGAPRIME]

They should have these three in spiderman4 Carnage,Rhino definitely, and Scorpion. Those 3 would make a real intense action packed all out no holds barred spidey flick!!

[MEGAPRIME]

:wow: :wow: :trans: :trans: They should have these three in spiderman4 Carnage,Rhino definitely, and Scorpion. Those 3 would make a real intense action packed all out no holds barred spidey flick!!

[chaseter]

No no no no and no more carnage threads.

[Visionary]

What is it with you people, do you not know of any other Spidey villains that are not covered in a symbiote?

You people beg for something, and when they give it to you (Venom), you're still mad as hell. So no. It would be an incredibly stupid move on all who is involved, from the director, actors, writers, producers to Sony to do another movie with a symbiote in SM4.

A kiddy movie with Carnage, you people have to be freakin' fools.

[animefan]

The only thing i didn't like about venom was that he didn't get enough screen time, and they wasted topher grace. As for spiderman 3, im a BIG spiderman fan so watching another film was still great, the only thing i didn't like was too many villains, honestly maybe if they took away sandman and save him for some other time would be great. I think they can do something creative with carnage anything is possible

[That'ssuper!]

I say use the classic villains before the newer generation ones.

[Arcturus]

lol, I believe this is a 2006 thread!

[Mr Jide]

They should have these three in spiderman4 Carnage,Rhino definitely, and Scorpion. Those 3 would make a real intense action packed all out no holds barred spidey flick!!

Did you not see sm3?? They tried this stunt already and look at how it turned out.

[IamProdigy]

People should really give up on Carnage...you'd think after what Sam Raimi did to Venom; people would be happy that Raimi won't do Carnage.

[Blader5489]

Carnage can easily work as the final villain for the series, it just can't be 616 Carnage (which is fine, really).

[IamProdigy]

Did you not see sm3?? They tried this stunt already and look at how it turned out.

No...trust me, Sandman, New Goblin and Venom could have worked...it's the script that didn't make it work...the novelization, it worked really well with all of the characters...everyone had their piece of the pie and even Venom had enough timing and had great moments in his battle...Sam Raimi should've delivered us the novelization, but in movie form and it would've been the greatest movie of this year, even better than Transformers and 300.

[Blader5489]

No...trust me, Sandman, New Goblin and Venom could have worked...it's the script that didn't make it work...the novelization, it worked really well with all of the characters...everyone had their piece of the pie and even Venom had enough timing and had great moments in his battle...Sam Raimi should've delivered us the novelization, but in movie form and it would've been the greatest movie of this year, even better than Transformers and 300.

Except the novelization doesn't have the same constraints as the movie does. Most of the "new" scenes in the novel were filmed but ended up being cut for time.

Also, Transformers and 300 are nowhere near the best movies of the year.

[IamProdigy]

Except the novelization doesn't have the same constraints as the movie does. Most of the "new" scenes in the novel were filmed but ended up being cut for time.

Also, Transformers and 300 are nowhere near the best movies of the year.

Time restraint...look at Pirates 3, they didn't care for time restraint and the movie made sense and came out to be a better movie than Spider-Man 3.

And also, Transformers and 300 were some of the better movies of this year. And yes, perhaps the best movies of this year.

[Blader5489]

Time restraint...look at Pirates 3, they didn't care for time restraint and the movie made sense and came out to be a better movie than Spider-Man 3.

Different studios, different mandates.

And also, Transformers and 300 were some of the better movies of this year. And yes, perhaps the best movies of this year.

No, they weren't. The Bourne Ultimatum, Superbad, American Gangster, No Country for Old Men, and Gone Baby Gone are all supremely better movies than TF or 300.

[shogunrua]

could carnage work in a Spidey movie? Hmmm maybe, they made a somewhat one dimensional character in the comics (Brock) have some potential to get depth, maybe they could do it with Carnage, on the other hand they could just keep the almost 0 dimension (almost...thanks to "Mind Bomb"...damn that made Carnage one of the creepiest villains of the marvel Universe to me...) Carnage but that would mean that the producers were out of ideas and pulled an easy trick...I think the only way everyone could be happy with a Carnage on film is in a Venom spin-off (if this thing is really on the road), because it's almost the only villain Venom could fight (there could still be those "life fondation" symbiotes...but it's Lethal Protector stuff so yuck yuck lol) and because it's not in a Spidey movie, they might be able to do stuff they couldn't in a Spidey flick. But well it's just my opinion

[Visionary]

People should really give up on Carnage...you'd think after what Sam Raimi did to Venom; people would be happy that Raimi won't do Carnage.Meh, both characters are highly overrated, I wouldn't mind some director killing Carnage in 6 minutes flat, as well.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

^^LoL

[IamProdigy]

No, they weren't. The Bourne Ultimatum, Superbad, American Gangster, No Country for Old Men, and Gone Baby Gone are all supremely better movies than TF or 300.

Oh my gosh you're an idiot...The Bourne Ultimatum, those movies blow, Superbad is a COMEDY, so you shouldn't even pit that movie against TF and 300, American Gangster and No Country For Old Men are good movies and Gone Baby Gone was just ok. But I still say Transformers and 300 have been the two better movies I've seen this year.

[Blader5489]

Oh my gosh you're an idiot...The Bourne Ultimatum, those movies blow, Superbad is a COMEDY, so you shouldn't even pit that movie against TF and 300, American Gangster and No Country For Old Men are good movies and Gone Baby Gone was just ok. But I still say Transformers and 300 have been the two better movies I've seen this year.

There is no hope for you.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I'm kind of shocked that 41 people voted yes...








WoOoOoooOOOOoOOOoOoOOOW.... symbiote obsessions...ugh...

[SecretWarSpidey]

if they make a good explanation on how he becomes carnage and don't make him into a second brock or some crap like that, then maybe

i personally don't see carnage as a good character at all except in the first spidey video game.

[IamProdigy]

There is no hope for you.

Says the guy with so much time in his hands that he wrote an outline for a Spider-Man 4 movie.

[greenknight]

I vote yes because it`s stupid to use Venom if you don`t use carnage. He could be the who kills Gwen. If they don`t use him or Tobey will not play Spidey, I`m going to react like the Angry German Kid.




greenknight.

[Warhammer]

Meh, both characters are highly overrated, I wouldn't mind some director killing Carnage in 6 minutes flat, as well.

I wouldn't mind them showing a shot of Kasady in jail, then have it blow up.
Carnage sucks. Sentry tore him up for the best in the comics.

:up:

[That'ssuper!]

We need to do the original villains before the newer ones. It would only make sense.

[Miniduffa]

Except the novelization doesn't have the same constraints as the movie does. Most of the "new" scenes in the novel were filmed but ended up being cut for time.

Also, Transformers and 300 are nowhere near the best movies of the year.

If you ask me Resident Evil Extinction was the best movie of the year:grin:

[That'ssuper!]

Save him for a video game dears.

[Nightmare]

Save him for a video game dears.

Save him for A venom movie.

[Matt Murdock]

No.

More specifically, hell no.

[Arcturus]

Excellent input!

[Matt Murdock]

Not especially.

[dancing_on_fire]

Just went to wiki, someone went and put under jim carrey's filmography thats he cassidy/carnage in spider-man 4 lol. Im curious if it was someone from these forums :p. Any way personally think they shouldn't bring carnage in. The lizard and someone else should be the villians. Electro or shocker.

[Superhero 101]

^^
Yeah all my friends came up to me and said "Did you hear they casted Jim Carrey as Carnage!"
I Tried so hard not to laugh. I think they should bring in the Lizard or Scorpion or Rhino. I really don't care who we get as a villain as long as we get a Spiderman 4.

[Jick09]

yes, he should be in 4.
like I posted in another thread before it was closed:

- it's half way done already...the symbiote is already there, we just need the killer. it won't take too much screentime to present the bad guys.
- he is a villain who really IS bad. we don't need another bad guy who turns good in the end. at least I don't want to see that again. we need someone who is bad to the bone and gets worse...like Joker.
- he is stronger than Spidey. one of his strongest villains. would be a bigger challenge than the previous movies. and this could also have the theme Fear. every hero has fears...that's what makes them humans.
- Connors keep his studies with the symbiote, feeding it, to be able to analyze and discover it's resources...like learning to spread the cells, regrow and this kinds of things. becoming Lizard.

any villain can work if written and done appropriately.
also...I would like to see the symbiote story end for good in this movie before they start with other storylines. then they could make Kraven and Chamelleon in movie 5. since they're half brothers. would make for a interesting storyline.

[Venom'sDad]

^ I completely agree with all of that.

[Green Goblin 1964]

If Carnage is in 4 (which I doubt) my expectations for the movie will be incredibly low. There ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many other better villains to use in a film then Carnage. Screw it. We've already had Venom so forget about the rest of the symbiotes and have some variety already.

[Spider-ManHero12]

If Carnage is in 4 (which I doubt) my expectations for the movie will be incredibly low. There ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many other better villains to use in a film then Carnage. Screw it. We've already had Venom so forget about the rest of the symbiotes and have some variety already. I highly doubt Carnage will be in Spider-Man 4. It just isn't likely.

[Superhero 101]

yes, he should be in 4.
like I posted in another thread before it was closed:

- it's half way done already...the symbiote is already there, we just need the killer. it won't take too much screentime to present the bad guys.
- he is a villain who really IS bad. we don't need another bad guy who turns good in the end. at least I don't want to see that again. we need someone who is bad to the bone and gets worse...like Joker.
- he is stronger than Spidey. one of his strongest villains. would be a bigger challenge than the previous movies. and this could also have the theme Fear. every hero has fears...that's what makes them humans.
- Connors keep his studies with the symbiote, feeding it, to be able to analyze and discover it's resources...like learning to spread the cells, regrow and this kinds of things. becoming Lizard.

any villain can work if written and done appropriately.
also...I would like to see the symbiote story end for good in this movie before they start with other storylines. then they could make Kraven and Chamelleon in movie 5. since they're half brothers. would make for a interesting storyline.



Well i do like the idea that "Every Hero has a Fear" but you need another Villain besides Carnage because the movie will get boring if its just Carnage.

[Jick09]

^ I completely agree with all of that.
thanks
Well i do like the idea that "Every Hero has a Fear" but you need another Villain besides Carnage because the movie will get boring if its just Carnage.
I know...that's why I also said Lizard

"- Connors keep his studies with the symbiote, feeding it, to be able to analyze and discover it's resources...like learning to spread the cells, regrow and this kinds of things. becoming Lizard."

one of the last paragraphs:cwink:

[Matt Murdock]

1. That's a sentence, not a paragraph.
2. That's easily one of the lamest ideas I've ever heard.

[Hectorminator]

No, no Carnage in Spider-Man 4.

Carnage is a lame villain, only good for a character both Spider-Man AND Venom had to team up against in the nineties, because Venom was so popular. He really has no interesting qualities, other than his very cool origin. Which couldn't be done in the Spidey films anyway, seeing as how Raimi opted for blowing Venom up instead of sticking Brock in jail.

If they were to ever use Carnage, it should be in like Spider-Man 5, after they bring Venom back. Carnage would really only work as a (surprise) character so powerful that both Venom and Spidey would have to team up against. But seeing as how they already did a "team-up" at the end of part 3, and it didn't really come out as cool as it is in the comics, I think they should leave that whole idea alone.

And besides, if they bring back Venom, has really HAS to kill Gwen Stacy. Who else is gonna do it, Shocker? And if Venom goes real evil and badass and actually kills her, I doubt Spidey would even consider teaming up with him to take down Carnage, so I say forget Carnage altogether.

[The Joker]

What is the point in killing Gwen? She's not Peter's girlfriend. As Peter said "She's just a girl in my class". Her death wouldn't have anywhere near the impact or meaning that her comic book death did.

And Venom is dead. Carnage has no business being in SM-4.

[Jick09]

2. That's easily one of the lamest ideas I've ever heard.
I'm just throwing ideas out here. if you don't like, then make it better.

[Venom'sDad]

Well i do like the idea that "Every Hero has a Fear" but you need another Villain besides Carnage because the movie will get boring if its just Carnage.

I know...that's why I also said Lizard :cwink:

I agree, Carnage can not be alone. That's why I say have Lizard, Kraven, and Carnage... pretty much similar to the Spider-Man 4 trailer I posted somewhere in the Spidey Forum.

[Arcturus]

In all honesty, I like Carnage. But he was created to be the villain to an anti-hero, Venom. Whom was an evil villain in Spider-Man 3, he caused chaos in his reign. He killed the taxi-driver (at least in the novel), he killed Harry, he probably would have killed Mary Jane and most of all, he wanted to kill Peter Parker. Plus he mangled a bunch of policemen alongside Sandman. He had a blast doing what he was doing, so I don't see him turning to the good side to stop Carnage who would be would be 10x more meaner. And Venom was destroyed at the end of Spider-Man 3.

I figure it's best to move on, we have a certain Dr. Curt Connors to go on a reptilian rampage, after all.

[Spider-ManHero12]

In all honesty, I like Carnage. But he was created to be the villain to an anti-hero, Venom. Whom was an evil villain in Spider-Man 3, he caused chaos in his reign. He killed the taxi-driver (at least in the novel), he killed Harry, he probably would have killed Mary Jane and most of all, he wanted to kill Peter Parker. Plus he mangled a bunch of policemen alongside Sandman. He had a blast doing what he was doing, so I don't see him turning to the good side to stop Carnage would be 10x more meaner. And Venom was destroyed at the end of Spider-Man 3.

I figure it's best to move on, we have a certain Dr. Curt Connors to go on a reptilian rampage, after all. I completely agree! I couldn't have said it better myself. :up:

[spiderfan970]

In all honesty, I like Carnage. But he was created to be the villain to an anti-hero, Venom. Whom was an evil villain in Spider-Man 3, he caused chaos in his reign. He killed the taxi-driver (at least in the novel), he killed Harry, he probably would have killed Mary Jane and most of all, he wanted to kill Peter Parker. Plus he mangled a bunch of policemen alongside Sandman. He had a blast doing what he was doing, so I don't see him turning to the good side to stop Carnage who would be would be 10x more meaner. And Venom was destroyed at the end of Spider-Man 3.

I figure it's best to move on, we have a certain Dr. Curt Connors to go on a reptilian rampage, after all.

Can I get an amen?

[Superhero 101]

Amen
But what if we have Kraven Lizard And Carnage?....
Never mind. It'll just end up like SM3.

[Spider-Bite]

In all honesty, I like Carnage. But he was created to be the villain to an anti-hero, Venom. Whom was an evil villain in Spider-Man 3, he caused chaos in his reign. He killed the taxi-driver (at least in the novel), he killed Harry, he probably would have killed Mary Jane and most of all, he wanted to kill Peter Parker. Plus he mangled a bunch of policemen alongside Sandman. He had a blast doing what he was doing, so I don't see him turning to the good side to stop Carnage who would be would be 10x more meaner. And Venom was destroyed at the end of Spider-Man 3.

I figure it's best to move on, we have a certain Dr. Curt Connors to go on a reptilian rampage, after all.

i agree with you, however I doubt the studio does. I really believe that part 4 will have carnage. It will be loaded with too many villains, and too much plot, and it will br of even lower quality than spider-man 3. It will however make a lot of money, which is why it will happen.

[Metal Spidey]

Carnage is the only villain worthy of bring in part 4. Honestly, who else would it be?

I figure it's best to move on, we have a certain Dr. Curt Connors to go on a reptilian rampage, after all.

But Lizard isn't that much of a threat. The problem with Spider-Man movies is that almost all of his villains would make a great movie. Unfortunately they skipped right ahead to Venom who is IMO the best of them all. Maybe they should use Lizard and Carnage.

[copywrite]

I hope he's never in a movie because he's a terrible character.

[The Overlord]

Hell no!

[CanaryFan]

I think they did a lousy job with Venom and if the make a movie with either or both Venom and Carnage as the main badguys it will suck!

I want the Lizard as the next villian. That would be awesome!

[Venom 1988]

Carnage is the only villain worthy of bring in part 4. Honestly, who else would it be? lololololololololololololol......ah, you sir are a funny one

[Metal Spidey]

lololololololololololololol......ah, you sir are a funny one

I take it you disagree with me. I know there are some good spidey villains but you have to think about how well they would do in a movie. We aren't talking about an issue of a comic book or a 2 parter in a cartoon.

[Venom 1988]

I take it you disagree with me. I know there are some good spidey villains but you have to think about how well they would do in a movie. We aren't talking about an issue of a comic book or a 2 parter in a cartoon.Uh yea I know, we're talking about a feature length movie. There are plenty of other villains that have both more substance and visual appeal than Carnage.

[The Joker]

Carnage is the only villain worthy of bring in part 4. Honestly, who else would it be?

Are you kidding? The Lizard, Kraven, Electro, and Scorpion to name a few. And they all have more dimension than Carnage does. And are all far more worthy of being immortalized on screen.

[Blader5489]

Carnage is the only villain worthy of bring in part 4. Honestly, who else would it be?

Maybe someone with an actual character?

Of course, you could always reinvent Carnage into a more interesting villain, but then people would complain about it not being faithful to the comics, wouldn't they?

[Venom 1988]

Of course, you could always reinvent Carnage into a more interesting villain, but then people would complain about it not being faithful to the comics, wouldn't they? The only people that would complain would be the crazed fanboys, who the filmmakers shouldn't be listening to in the first place. :hyper:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Carnage is the only villain worthy of bring in part 4. Honestly, who else would it be? Carnage is awesome, but I strongly disagree with your post. Lizard, Kraven, Vulture, Electro, Mysterio, Scorpion and others are very worthy of being in a Spidey film. Go check a couple of the Issues of Amazing Spider-Man and see how some of the classic Villians stories are and how great of a challenge they create for Spidey.

[JMalone61]

yes.

:grin:

[Hellion]

Carnage with Calypso controlling him!

[Venom 1988]

Carnage with Calypso controlling him!

Todd Mcfarlane presents Spider-Man: Torment Part 2

Double the visuals!
Still no plot!

[Metal Spidey]

Are you kidding? The Lizard, Kraven, Electro, and Scorpion to name a few. And they all have more dimension than Carnage does. And are all far more worthy of being immortalized on screen.

Carnage is awesome, but I strongly disagree with your post. Lizard, Kraven, Vulture, Electro, Mysterio, Scorpion and others are very worthy of being in a Spidey film. Go check a couple of the Issues of Amazing Spider-Man and see how some of the classic Villians stories are and how great of a challenge they create for Spidey.

Ok, ok. I take back what I said about Carnage. But you still have to think about the people who aren't comic book fans. They still make up some of the ticket sales and most of them had no idea that Galactus wasn't a cloud.

[Venom 1988]

^^^^^
Usually most people can usually tell if a character has substance or are just there for eye candy.

[Superhero 101]

Well i want carnage but then i don't want carnage because he is more of a venom baddie then he is of a spidey.

[Spider-Fan]

The Lizard is definately next in line. Carnage is a shallow character, but he would be an instant money maker, so he will come eventually (even us who hate Carnage have to admit it). However, we need to at least see The Lizard before Carnage.

[Spidey-Quad]

heck NOOOOOOOOOOO

[OddBob]

No.

Leave Carnage to the Venom spin-off.

[RaZaTrOn]

No i don't want to see Carnage pussified for a PG-13. Lets hope for a R rated Venom and have him in there.

[scifijunky]

gotta b lizard next, just lizard. SM3 had far too many bad guys to do any of them justice (esp venom). lets just have a lizard vs spidy battle to the death for SM4 then think about reviving the symbiote storyline for SM5 or 6. and to those who say u cant do carnage cos it wud 2 b r rated? look at Heath Ledgers' Joker?!

[Nightmare]

No, venom was done horribly im S-M3. How bad would they do carnage. NO!

[scifijunky]

just cos they done venom bad in SM3 doesnt mean another director cant do carnage in SM 5 or 6?

[RaZaTrOn]

gotta b lizard next, just lizard. SM3 had far too many bad guys to do any of them justice (esp venom). lets just have a lizard vs spidy battle to the death for SM4 then think about reviving the symbiote storyline for SM5 or 6. and to those who say u cant do carnage cos it wud 2 b r rated? look at Heath Ledgers' Joker?!

Carnage is far far worse than the Joker. Joker likes to play games. Carnage... well just look at his god damn name. Never should he step foot in a film aimed towards a young audience.

Look up the definition of Carnage and thats precisely the level of violence that should follow this villain... pure pure Carnage.

[comic_book_guy]

i would love to see carnage in a spiderman movie but i dont think it will ever happen.... carnag has a very graphic gory background...how would they pull that off without it ending up being a poor horror movie? i think they want to keep the movies rated PG-12 because of the money they get from kids watching etc.
i said no... :D

[scifijunky]

does any1 actually have any credible news about spidy 4. iv been lookin round online 4 ages but not found much

[Venom 1988]

does any1 actually have any credible news about spidy 4. iv been lookin round online 4 ages but not found much

James Vanderbilt (Zodiac, The Rundown) is writing the script and theres only going to be 2 villains. Thats pretty much all the confirmed information.

[Faded To Deaf]

No he shouldn't. He should be a villain saved for a Venom spin-off, and Venom should get a more mature rating anyway.

[omid17]

Never read any of the comics :( but doesn't Aunt may find out who spidey is, after peter gets effed up by Carnage? He was like lying on the bed, badly wounded and aunt may comes in right?

[Gotham22]

is this Venom spin-off actually getting made?

[Obi-Wan]

yes

[Grievous]

tell me what you think.
maybe idk I kinda want the Lizard more and because of Sam I would not get my hopes up of a whole SM movie with just Carnage.

[The Shadow]

I say yes. It will fit right in, on spidey 4 they can show a piece of the symbiote got away and went to its next "host", Cletus Kasady.

[Jick09]

maybe idk I kinda want the Lizard more and because of Sam I would not get my hopes up of a whole SM movie with just Carnage.
true, but remember that Raimi is not in control of the script anymore.
Vanderbilt is, so he'll decide who the villains are going to be.

[Metal Spidey]

I was all for Carnage but after watching the movies over again, he'd be best for a Venom movie.

[red hood 4]

I know this has been said but Carnage better in Venom or not at all

[carnage17]

Dam Right He Should Be In Sm4!

[Spider-Man '92]

Hell no. Carnage is a cool character, but after what happened to Venom, I want to see him come back first, but that obviously won't happen. Let's go back to the classic villains from the 60's and 70's.

[Angel_Faerie]

Carnage is WAY too dark a character to be in a Spider-Man movie, in my opinion. Plus, Sony doesn't have the balls to use him.

[carnage17]

hes not too dark, i think a dark aproach would work, spiderman 3 for example, that was much darker movie than 1 and 2 combined, the only problem is they didnt explain venom at all, the simbiote just crashed onto earth and jumped on parkers bike, how do they explain carnage?

[chaseter]

Carnage = red crap.

[omid17]

hes not too dark, i think a dark aproach would work, spiderman 3 for example, that was much darker movie than 1 and 2 combined, the only problem is they didnt explain venom at all, the simbiote just crashed onto earth and jumped on parkers bike, how do they explain carnage?i was thinking maby Dr. Connors will play around with the sample he has and creates the red symbiote

[The Shadow]

It would fit in perfectly with spidey3 just say a piece of the symbiote got away and got on Kletus Cassidy

[AlterEgo]

Yes, because Dr. Conners still has some of the symbiote which can be transformed into Carnage

[jerky123]

If Carnage is in the movie, I would just make Carnage a symbionite with the shape of a person, and let him have a mind of his own, so they don't have to include the murderous Kletus Cassidy.

[chaseter]

How about we get to see classic villians like Lizard, Mysterio, Kraven, Shocker, etc...before we see the red rehash that is Carnage. Secondly, Carnage is an extremely violent, and sadistic character and no amount of pg-13 will do justice to that character. Then, you will have fanboys whining about how lame Carnage was. Carnage has nothing to do with Peter Parker and more than likely and hopefully will not be in any of these movies. Carnage was just simply a plot device to keep the symbiote in the forefront in the comics because the Venom storyline was getting stale.

[Visionary]

Carnage = red crap.
Hahaha...:woot:

[VenomVsSpidey]

i say HELL YEAH as long as he is in it for more than 15 MINUTES And doesen't bite it

[slmon]

Not in 4, but in 5 or 6, yes definitely!

[MBonez12]

^agreed. if not after that.

[shinlyle]

Never. If they make it to Spider-Man 14, I still wouldn't want to see Carnage in a Spidey movie. Give me Kraven, Lizard, Shocker, Electro, Mysterio, Rhino, Vulture, and Scorpion before we get to "Unstoppable version of Venom who kill swithout motive".

[thejon93]

I'd rather see them stick with classic villains like: The Vulture, Chameleon, Kraven the Hunter, The Lizard, etc. Afterall, we saw how 'Spider-Man 3' went downhill when they mixed the symbiote into the story, and I don't want to see it happen again.

[Holiday]

Carnage is too evil to be in these Spidey movies. He should be a nasty serial killer and that wouldnt fit in this Spiderman world.

[MBonez12]

i think eventually carnage should be included, but he should be the featured villain of the very last spiderman movie of this generation. cover every villain in the sinister six and then put the sinister six together, that covers 3-4 more movies. have the sinister six movie have a concluding feeling to it, so it could be seen as the last movie, then create one last movie in a different direction with an r rating featuring carnage. you may say if tdk can do joker with a pg13 rating, so can sm with carnage. i say think of the way tdk wouldve turned out if they couldve been r-rated with the joker. i think carnage can be done, but it should be separated somewhat from the main spiderman series.

[Da Games Elite]

i think eventually carnage should be included, but he should be the featured villain of the very last spiderman movie of this generation. cover every villain in the sinister six and then put the sinister six together, that covers 3-4 more movies. have the sinister six movie have a concluding feeling to it, so it could be seen as the last movie, then create one last movie in a different direction with an r rating featuring carnage. you may say if tdk can do joker with a pg13 rating, so can sm with carnage. i say think of the way tdk wouldve turned out if they couldve been r-rated with the joker. i think carnage can be done, but it should be separated somewhat from the main spiderman series.

Separate? What about the Venom spin-off?

[VenomVsSpidey]

yup..and he neeeds to be in it for more than 15 MINUTES.poor venom....

[bubbadoom]

HELL NO, Carnage sucks more than Venom...

[Chris Wallace]

No Carnage. Ever.

[MBonez12]

Separate? What about the Venom spin-off?

i really hope they hold off on a venom spinoff. it was awesome to see him in sm3, but i dont think he could carry his own movie w/o spiderman. id like to see hints and teasers of him throughout the movies leading up to the carnage movie. if the venom spinoff goes through, id want it to be a one shot deal with carnage. in fact, maybe thats exactly what im talking about with the 7th movie, and have spiderman make a cameo.

[Da Games Elite]

i really hope they hold off on a venom spinoff. it was awesome to see him in sm3, but i dont think he could carry his own movie w/o spiderman. id like to see hints and teasers of him throughout the movies leading up to the carnage movie. if the venom spinoff goes through, id want it to be a one shot deal with carnage. in fact, maybe thats exactly what im talking about with the 7th movie, and have spiderman make a cameo.

I think Sony will make it probably in the gap between 3 and 4...hopefully Venom might also make a reappearance later on in the series, maybe to help Spidey, but I don't think that Sony would want Carnage touching the main Spidey series because he's so dark. I think they'd find a way to make him hold his own movie, even if they have to alter the scenario and his character a bit to do it. I don't mind. I mean, it's not like this can be any worse than Catwoman, right? ^_^

[MBonez12]

but I don't think that Sony would want Carnage touching the main Spidey series because he's so dark. ^_^

yea thats what i was talking about with the 7th spiderman movie. idk... i feel if they did a venom movie right now, itd be too soon, and it would have to be connected with spiderman, not sure how that would work/if i would be thrilled about it.

[SuperKoala]

I want to see spidey get zapped by shocker!

[aroundthefur33]

i would love it

[Da_Joka]

Why bother? Venom is gone because of the terrible script, it completely ruined a badass character whom is basically The Joker of Spider-Man.

Carnage would be the same idea, but a psychopath who wants to kill people. There's not that much a story with Carnage by himself.

[Spider-Fan]

Venom is far from a bad*** character. He is completely overhyped. So he made Spidey "scared" a few times. So what? He has never done anything of significance. Measure his accomplishments up to GG or Ock, and it is pathetic.

[Venom 1988]

Why bother? Venom is gone because of the terrible script, it completely ruined a badass character whom is basically The Joker of Spider-Man. The Joker of Spider-Man? WTF, you must be kidding :o

[LegendaryCaleb]

to me...if anyones "the joker to spidey" its Green Goblin IMO although Venom is my favorite villian even I know hes not the biggest villian

[Nightmare]

Venom is as popular to the spiderman franchise as Joker is to batman. They both have that cool factor even though they are both bad guys.