Kryptonite: Use It Or Lose It?

[toddly6666]

Is anyone else sick of kryptonite constantly being used to weaken Superman? How come every villain in the movie finds this green rare rock that Superman is allergic too? It's just overused and getting old. I think it's been used in the five past Superman movies (maybe not in Superman 2? - which is probably why the second one is the best one). The idea of using kryptonite in a Superman movie is very campy and cheesy as well. It's just too easy and silly to have in the movie. Give Superman a new challenge already!

This is why we we need a superpowered villain. If the Superman Returns sequel uses Luthor, Brainiac, or Metallo, there's a good chance they are going to be using kryptonite against Supes.

[The Question]

Brainiac doesn't need Kryptonite. And Metallo uses it much less often than you'd think.

[Weadazoid]

I agree with this point in a very big way, and this was one of my major problems with SR.

[JamalYIgle]

Is anyone else sick of kryptonite constantly being used to weaken Superman? How come every villain in the movie finds this green rare rock that Superman is allergic too? It's just overused and getting old. I think it's been used in the five past Superman movies (maybe not in Superman 2? - which is probably why the second one is the best one). The idea of using kryptonite in a Superman movie is very campy and cheesy as well. It's just too easy and silly to have in the movie. Give Superman a new challenge already!

This is why we we need a superpowered villain. If the Superman Returns sequel uses Luthor, Brainiac, or Metallo, there's a good chance they are going to be using kryptonite against Supes.
So you want to remove one of the only two things that can actually kill him? he only has two weaknesses Kryptonite and Magic. He can't be beatan physically or mentally. So all that's left are magic users.
the idea makes no sense.

[batlovescatDC]

Yes... I am sick of Kryptonite, Luthor being the central villain, and them basically making him a damn demented realtor.

[Showtime]

I think it was pretty damn cool to see Superman stabbed with Kryptonite, I thought it was fairly brutal the way that scene played out. As long as it is used creatively I think it is a must for any Superman movie.

[The Question]

So you want to remove one of the only two things that can actually kill him? he only has two weaknesses Kryptonite and Magic. He can't be beatan physically or mentally. So all that's left are magic users.
the idea makes no sense.

There's a very simple solution: Have him fights someone who is powerful enough to physically hurt him. Brainiac can generate energy blasts strong enough to hurt Superman, or can toss him around with super powerful TK. Metallo can take him in hand to hand combat. The Parasite can absorb any energy directed at him and convert it into physical power, including the kinetic energy of Superman's punches. Etc., etc.

[Weadazoid]

There's a very simple solution: Have him fights someone who is powerful enough to physically hurt him. Brainiac can generate energy blasts strong enough to hurt Superman, or can toss him around with super powerful TK. Metallo can take him in hand to hand combat. The Parasite can absorb any energy directed at him and convert it into physical power, including the kinetic energy of Superman's punches. Etc., etc.


agreed clearly we need more of that less of the glowing green rock.

Superman should bleed but at the hands of a villain powerful enough to make him bleed not glowing rock

[markaudette]

Count me as one of those fans who are just sick and tired of every villian ponying up to the Kryptonite plot device.

[igotatromboner]

Well Singer didn't go with a super-baddie in SR so Lex had to use something. It's one of only a handful of weaknesses. Magic would just be too silly in movies.

[C. Lee]

Behold Superman.....I have a handful of Steaming hot mashed potatoes....tremble at my power!!!!!


Hmmmmm.....Doesn't seem to work as well as Kryptonite.

[Showtime]

Mmmmm Mashed Potatoes...I am going to Boston Market.

[C. Lee]

Hmmmmmm....Boston cream pie.

[Showtime]

Mmmmm Boston Baked Beans...ewww I dont like beans.

[M.O.Steel]

if we have villians like brainiac, darkseid, mogul, then no, we dont' need kryptonite. But for the rest of the world, it's a pretty one-sided fight.

[Octoberist]

Is anyone else sick of kryptonite constantly being used to weaken Superman? How come every villain in the movie finds this green rare rock that Superman is allergic too? It's just overused and getting old. I think it's been used in the five past Superman movies (maybe not in Superman 2? - which is probably why the second one is the best one). The idea of using kryptonite in a Superman movie is very campy and cheesy as well. It's just too easy and silly to have in the movie. Give Superman a new challenge already!

This is why we we need a superpowered villain. If the Superman Returns sequel uses Luthor, Brainiac, or Metallo, there's a good chance they are going to be using kryptonite against Supes.

Actually, I am. It's not exciting, i'm sorry to say. I don't hate the movie, but it was so uneventful.

[toddly6666]

Another factor that kryptonite sucks is that the best/most entertaining fight scenes out of all five superman movies were:
1. Superman versus Zod and Co. in SUPERMAN 2
2. Superman versus Evil Superman in SUPERMAN 3

We gotta have Darkseid, Brainiac, Parasite, Metallo, or Bizarro for the next movie. Superman is an alien - these movies don't need to be so Earth grounded-only. Singer feels he has to keep everything so real. A good screenwriter can make a movie relatable with important relationship themes or keep things real even when dealing with other planets or aliens. That's why the Fantastic Four sequel is looking good - these movies have their friendship/loyalty/relationship themes, even with the outer space Silver Surfer and Galactus.

Even Spiderman 3 is going the fantasy/space route with the origin of Venom.

What does kryptonite represent anyway - his past? I don't know, but that rock has got no drama or soul. That rock is just pure camp.

[toddly6666]

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[Lightning Strykez!]

Behold Superman.....I have a handful of Steaming hot mashed potatoes....tremble at my power!!!!!


Hmmmmm.....Doesn't seem to work as well as Kryptonite.


LOL :oldrazz:

[smanfan69]

Is anyone else sick of kryptonite constantly being used to weaken Superman? How come every villain in the movie finds this green rare rock that Superman is allergic too? It's just overused and getting old. I think it's been used in the five past Superman movies (maybe not in Superman 2? - which is probably why the second one is the best one). The idea of using kryptonite in a Superman movie is very campy and cheesy as well. It's just too easy and silly to have in the movie. Give Superman a new challenge already!

This is why we we need a superpowered villain. If the Superman Returns sequel uses Luthor, Brainiac, or Metallo, there's a good chance they are going to be using kryptonite against Supes.


I'm very sick of it! I'm glad somebody hit on this subject. It makes it too easy for him to be killed. I can see it weakening him where it disables his powers somewhat but it shouldn't be able to kill him. If Lex and his henchmen would have pulled out machine guns when he had the Kryptonite in him what would have happened? He would have been dead. End of story. And the whole thing about magic is even more ridiculous.

[ultimatefan]

Oh yeah, it´s not like it was overused in the comics, cartoons, Smallville, George Reeves show, the original movie franchise...:whatever:

[jrd550]

Yes... I am sick of Kryptonite, Luthor being the central villain, and them basically making him a damn demented realtor.
I agree, and that was the main problem with SR - nothing was new or expanded upon. I mean wouldn't we all have been disappointed if for Batman Begins all they did was recreate Batman 89? Same origin for the Joker, same plot, same lines even here and there? The only new thing was the kid and I think we all feel the same way about him...

[JamalYIgle]

There's a very simple solution: Have him fights someone who is powerful enough to physically hurt him. Brainiac can generate energy blasts strong enough to hurt Superman, or can toss him around with super powerful TK. Metallo can take him in hand to hand combat. The Parasite can absorb any energy directed at him and convert it into physical power, including the kinetic energy of Superman's punches. Etc., etc.
Uhm, and evetually Superman would fight back. The point is no matter what you throw at him physically, he would find a way to beat him. So you have something that takes the fight out of him before it starts.
Uh, Metallo is powered by Kryptonite by the way, that's the only way hae can beat him. Parasite can only absorb his power tfor short periods of time and as long as Superman can keep him at a distance or not touch him physically, the fights already over. He's beaten Doomsday, who at one point was stronger than him, Darkseid and Mongol. you need kryptonite and it's not going to go away.

[Octoberist]

you see, when you use Kryptonite creatively (or at least differently) it's different. Kryptonite used as the powersource for Metallo. Krytonite as blood for Doomsday.

The original poster of thread meant Kryptonite used as kryptonite. as classic as it is, it's boring to me personally although i'm sure we won't see that in Superman Returns 2.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Every hero has an achilles heel. Kryptonite is Superman's. What other options are there?

The only way they will move away from that is to humanize him--perhaps by using someone he loves (like Lois) as a bait for ransom. I can't think of too many other things that would bring him to his knees without retconning everything we know of the character.

[Octoberist]

like what I said, if it's done more creatively then the "Oh man, here's some Krypton in my hands to harm you!"

As legendary as it is, Kryptonite by itself is overused sadly.

I remembered when I first saw the Kyrptonite toys for Superman Returns, and I was thinking "How boring. Why would a kid play with this?"

[GreenKToo]

I agree Lightning. I think the kid should be kidnapped in the sequel by who ever the supervillain is...Then we would see how far supes would go to save a loved one. killing?? crime?? the possibilities are endless.

EDIT: by killing I mean supes killing the villain to save jason.

[ultimatefan]

you see, when you use Kryptonite creatively (or at least differently) it's different. Kryptonite used as the powersource for Metallo. Krytonite as blood for Doomsday.

The original poster of thread meant Kryptonite used as kryptonite. as classic as it is, it's boring to me personally although i'm sure we won't see that in Superman Returns 2.
Well, Superman wasn´t actually stabbed with Kryptonite in any of the previous movies or in Smallville - somebody made a bullet out of it, though - or TAS that I remember, if that´s what you mean by different. But there are only so many variations you can make. It´s a crutch, but it´s one of the crutches that has served Superman for the last sixty-eight years and writers will keep coming back to it.

[Octoberist]

I know what you're talking about, but to me, there's not a lot of weight.

It's like saying Superman never had a kid and it's never been done before. And my reaction would "Yeah...never.....good idea...ummm..yeah".

NOw if Lex actually created Kyrptonite powered cystal robots (if that's possible), then that would of been cool....but that would mean that Lex had to be smart in which he really wasn't in the movie.

Patting yourself on the back and telling yourself you're a genius surrounded by mere idiots doesn't count! HOY!

[matthooper]

What's amazing is that normal/regular kryptonite has only been used twice in the movies, in Superman:The Movie and Superman Returns.

In Supeman:The Movie, it was used perfectly.

In SR Lex had the entire FOS at his disposal with all it's powers and weapons. There were technologies either known from comics or from Superman 2 or simply could have been made up by the writers of SR. All they could come up with was using kryptonite and the rediculous New Krypton plan. Imagine the beasts of Krypton with the powers from the yellow sun, imagine similar containment units such as the one that held Zod and company in Superman the Movie. All of Kryptons technology and the brilliant Luthor creates an island in the middle of the ocean that could have been destroyed with one missle from the Navy.

Krptonite as the weapon in SR was simply the lack of any creativity or imagination. I doubt we'll see it used in SR2.

[ultimatefan]

I know what you're talking about, but to me, there's not a lot of weight.

It's like saying Superman never had a kid and it's never been done before. And my reaction would "Yeah...never.....good idea...ummm..yeah".

NOw if Lex actually created Kyrptonite powered cystal robots (if that's possible), then that would of been cool....but that would mean that Lex had to be smart in which he really wasn't in the movie.

Patting yourself on the back and telling yourself you're a genius surrounded by mere idiots doesn't count! HOY!
To be honest, that sounds incredibly cheesy...

[toddly6666]

normal rock kryptonite was also used in superman 3 - when Richard Pryor gives Superman as a present...

I'm not sure if it was used in Superman 4....

Kryptonite running inside Metallo or in Doomsday's blood is definitely more creative than usual, but it's still old.

It doesn't matter that kryptonite is one of Superman's weaknesses. Does every other superhero in the Marvel or DC universe always have a weakness? No, they don't - that's why you pit Super-strength superheros versus super-strength villains. It's not about a fight of winning versus losing. It's about the entertainment factor of watching huge fighting bouts - wrecking cities, smashing through buildings and streets, getting uppercutted into space, etc. a la final fight between Neo and Agent Smith in Matrix Revolutions. A person loses a fight due to being tricked, not usually being overpowered as in most hero/villain action movies.

Using Lois or the son as bait to pee off Superman is definitely good too - but any villain can do that - whether it be Luthor or Darkseid...If they are going to use kryptonite again, the villain should inject some liquid form of kryptonite into Lois or the son, so that Superman can't go near his loved ones, and just kick some villain ass already...

[ultimatefan]

normal rock kryptonite was also used in superman 3 - when Richard Pryor gives Superman as a present...

I'm not sure if it was used in Superman 4....

Kryptonite running inside Metallo or in Doomsday's blood is definitely more creative than usual, but it's still old.

It doesn't matter that kryptonite is one of Superman's weaknesses. Does every other superhero in the Marvel or DC universe always have a weakness? No, they don't - that's why you pit Super-strength superheros versus super-strength villains. It's not about a fight of winning versus losing. It's about the entertainment factor of watching huge fighting bouts - wrecking cities, smashing through buildings and streets, getting uppercutted into space, etc. a la final fight between Neo and Agent Smith in Matrix Revolutions. A person loses a fight due to being tricked, not usually being overpowered as in most hero/villain action movies.

Using Lois or the son as bait to pee off Superman is definitely good too - but any villain can do that - whether it be Luthor or Darkseid...If they are going to use kryptonite again, the villain should inject some liquid form of kryptonite into Lois or the son, so that Superman can't go near his loved ones, and just kick some villain ass already...
The fight becomes less interesting if there´s no real danger. To me the "superbrawl" in Matrix Reloaded ended up being really boring cuz the characters never seemed to be in real physical danger.

[ultimatefan]

What's amazing is that normal/regular kryptonite has only been used twice in the movies, in Superman:The Movie and Superman Returns.

In Supeman:The Movie, it was used perfectly.

In SR Lex had the entire FOS at his disposal with all it's powers and weapons. There were technologies either known from comics or from Superman 2 or simply could have been made up by the writers of SR. All they could come up with was using kryptonite and the rediculous New Krypton plan. Imagine the beasts of Krypton with the powers from the yellow sun, imagine similar containment units such as the one that held Zod and company in Superman the Movie. All of Kryptons technology and the brilliant Luthor creates an island in the middle of the ocean that could have been destroyed with one missle from the Navy.

Krptonite as the weapon in SR was simply the lack of any creativity or imagination. I doubt we'll see it used in SR2.
Funny thing is, comics fans rarely complained about how ostensively overused Kryptonite has been, often in the most obvious and non-imaginative ways, through all the Superman mythology and non-comics incarnations. But they need to come up with reasons to bash SR, so...

[JamalYIgle]

you see, when you use Kryptonite creatively (or at least differently) it's different. Kryptonite used as the powersource for Metallo. Krytonite as blood for Doomsday.

The original poster of thread meant Kryptonite used as kryptonite. as classic as it is, it's boring to me personally although i'm sure we won't see that in Superman Returns 2.
Doomdsay doesn't have kryptonite blood, Doomsday is a Kryptonian.

[toddly6666]

but in comic books, superheroes always fight supervillains, and we know no one is really going to die. And if anyone dies, they will always come back. In comic books, superheroes just save the day, but not the future - the same villains always come back. But that doesn't make me not enjoy the comic book. Comic books have always had super brawl fights, which are pretty damn entertaining.

DC comic writing (of the famous superheroes, i'm not talking about WATCHMEN) didn't get really interesting until I read the following creative ones - such as in Alex Ross' Kingdome Come and Justice, and Alan Moore's Superman/Wonderwoman/Batman versus Mongol (which was also animated in Justice League Unlimited cartoon but not as good as the short comic). The best DC comics i've read have not involved Luthor or Joker (both non-superpowered villains). Dark Knight Returns is great, but it's not just due to the Joker - it's just a creative, well-written book that doesn't fall into camp or predictability.

The way I look at is this:
Kryptonite with Superman is at the same level of Robin with Batman. Kryptonite and Robin have been part of those character's history, but so what? They don't really help or make it interesting - in fact they just make both characters campy.

[ultimatefan]

but in comic books, superheroes always fight supervillains, and we know no one is really going to die. And if anyone dies, they will always come back. In comic books, superheroes just save the day, but not the future - the same villains always come back. But that doesn't make me not enjoy the comic book. Comic books have always had super brawl fights, which are pretty damn entertaining.

DC comic writing (of the famous superheroes, i'm not talking about WATCHMEN) didn't get really interesting until I read the following creative ones - such as in Alex Ross' Kingdome Come and Justice, and Alan Moore's Superman/Wonderwoman/Batman versus Mongol (which was also animated in Justice League Unlimited cartoon but not as good as the short comic). The best DC comics i've read have not involved Luthor or Joker (both non-superpowered villains). Dark Knight Returns is great, but it's not just due to the Joker - it's just a creative, well-written book that doesn't fall into camp or predictability.

The way I look at is this:
Kryptonite with Superman is at the same level of Robin with Batman. Kryptonite and Robin have been part of those character's history, but so what? They don't really help or make it interesting - in fact they just make both characters campy.
Kryptonite isn´t campy per se. You explain it as being a form of radiation that´s deadly to Superman´s biology. It´s as believable an explanation as anything in the Superman mythos.

[The Question]

Uhm, and evetually Superman would fight back.

Of course he would fight back.

The point is no matter what you throw at him physically, he would find a way to beat him. So you have something that takes the fight out of him before it starts.

Or, he could just fight someone who is his physical equal, or counters in him in some other area (like energy manipulation).

Uh, Metallo is powered by Kryptonite by the way, that's the only way hae can beat him.

Not true. Metallo is Superman's equal in strength and reflexes. He also went for about ten years without Kryptonite and he did rather well.

Parasite can only absorb his power tfor short periods of time and as long as Superman can keep him at a distance or not touch him physically, the fights already over.

That's not true. First of all, The Parasite only needs to be near him to drain him. He doesn't have to touch him. Second, even if he doesn't drain Superman, he can absorb other nearby power sources like electric cables or people. Third, the only way Superman could keep him at bay would be to run away from him. Parasite would just absorb Superman's heat vision if he tried to keep him at a distance with that.

He's beaten Doomsday, who at one point was stronger than him,

Doomsday's a pretty crappy character anyway.

Darkseid

Which is due solely to people who have no idea how to write Darkseid. Darkseid, when written well, is Superman's superior in pretty much every way.

and Mongol.

They're pretty much equal. Their fights can go either way.

you need kryptonite and it's not going to go away.

No, you don't. You only need Kryptonite if you're not a very imaginative writer.

Every hero has an achilles heel. Kryptonite is Superman's. What other options are there?

The only way they will move away from that is to humanize him--perhaps by using someone he loves (like Lois) as a bait for ransom. I can't think of too many other things that would bring him to his knees without retconning everything we know of the character.

How about, you know, fighting someone who's his equal in terms of power? I know, it's a crazy idea, but it's so crazy that it just might work. :o

[toddly6666]

If they are going to use kryptonite as well, I do like the idea of Luthor having his base made out of kryptonite or some kryptonite force field around his base so he can do his evil stuff or hire/work with people like Brainiac, Darkseid, Parasite, or Metallo and obviously there is no way Superman can crash his pad or ruin his plans on Luthor's home turf. I see it symbolic of North Korea, Iraq or Afghanistan - you can't just walk into those country and fix things or else you will get screwed/killed, you have to wait til the bad guys come out of their home/base/country. I never liked how Luthor so easily escaped all the time and how Superman just didn't snatch him and throw him in prison in the previous movies. The kryptonite island in Superman Returns is a good idea just as his base - just as a minor side thing, but not as such a destructable island used as a major plot device. It should already be common sense to Luthor to always be carrying around kryptonite. Why would he not be carrying it, especially if they are making all these movies with continuity? Luthor was carrying his kryptonite knife around I suppose to "surprise" Superman, but guess what, "surprising Superman with kryptonite" is always the same. Superman should already know that Luthor has kryptonite and somehow use his own smarts or muscle to somehow beat Luthor with kryptonite...."look what i have - a kryptonite necklace! a kryptonite rock inside an iron box! a kryptonite knife in my pocket! a kryptonite island! surprise! surprise!" The idea of surprising Superman with kryptonite has been used over and over. Enough already. Let Superman be aware of someone having kryptonite - now that would be a surprise in the writing of these movies.

If they are going to keep on having Luthor in these movies too, I like the idea of his kryptonite costume. I mean it's freaking common sense that he should have been wearing this costume starting in Superman 2 and forward, ever since finding about Superman's weakness:
http://www.kennersuperpowers.com/spfigures/splexluthorcarded.jpg

[JamalYIgle]

No, you don't. You only need Kryptonite if you're not a very imaginative writer.



How about, you know, fighting someone who's his equal in terms of power? I know, it's a crazy idea, but it's so crazy that it just might work. :o
He fights characters who are his equal constantly, Bizzaro, Darkseid, Mongol, Lobo, Maxima, Doomsday, Subjekt 13 and he always comes out on top because of guts and determination.. The point is as George Lucas once said" Superman is too powerful. without Kryptonite, Superman just doesn't work."
Considering Metallo isn't a indestructible robot anymore(that was only done for the animated series. in the comics he absorbes metal transforms his body and is powered by kryptonite.), and the current parasite needs to be in physical contact for her powers to work( even the Rudy jones version was limited to this) according to the DC encyclopedia my points still stand.

[storyteller]

Superman has many other weaknesses out there. The problem is that everyone keeps thinking kryptonite can only hurt him. Superman can take alot of physical damage, but bring energy weapons to the mix and we have a whole new story. Go read a comic, superman is nearly killed every 10 issues, not by being beaten into submission, but by nifty technology. All thats really required is to bring superman to the animated series level. An uber high power gun can shake him up but wont kill him./

[Morgoth]

It's time for something other than Kryptonite and Lex.

[The Question]

He fights characters who are his equal constantly, Bizzaro, Darkseid, Mongol, Lobo, Maxima, Doomsday, Subjekt 13 and he always comes out on top because of guts and determination..

He wins because if he lost, then his series would be over. Of course the writers are going to have him win.

The point is as George Lucas once said" Superman is too powerful. without Kryptonite, Superman just doesn't work."

Well, George Lucas is wrong, then. The Superman comics went for about ten years where Kryptonite almost never apeared, and his villains did perfectly fine.

Considering Metallo isn't a indestructible robot anymore(that was only done for the animated series. in the comics he absorbes metal transforms his body and is powered by kryptonite.),

That's not true. Metallo went for about a ten year stretch where he wasn't powered by Kryptonite. He was still Superman's equal in terms of strength.

and the current parasite needs to be in physical contact for her powers to work( even the Rudy jones version was limited to this) according to the DC encyclopedia my points still stand.

Again, that's not true. Rudy only needs to be near someone to drain them. And even if he had to be in physical contact with him power source, it still wouldn't matter as Superman wouldn't be able to keep him at a distance forever. Rudy could just absorb other nearby power sources, and would absorb SUperman's heat vision if Clark used it on him.

[JamalYIgle]

He wins because if he lost, then his series would be over. Of course the writers are going to have him win.



Well, George Lucas is wrong, then. The Superman comics went for about ten years where Kryptonite almost never apeared, and his villains did perfectly fine.

When was this 10 year stretch? wasn't the Byrne years since he reintroduced Metallo with Kryptonite in his chest.Metallo had a back up powersupply when luthor took his kryptonite that allowed him to escape but when he was upgraded by Neron, he got the Green K back(it wasn't 10 years it was 2). Metallo has never been without Kryptonite. It wasn't the "Lois and Clark get married years because they not only had Lex with the kryptonite ring but they also introduced the mxyzptlyk created Red Kryptonite. There was a breif period when he was invulnerable to Kryptonite in the 1970's, but after painting themselves in a corner this was reversed. It wasn't the 60's because I checked the DC showcases I have and yep there's kryptonite.



That's not true. Metallo went for about a ten year stretch where he wasn't powered by Kryptonite. He was still Superman's equal in terms of strength.



Again, that's not true. Rudy only needs to be near someone to drain them. And even if he had to be in physical contact with him power source, it still wouldn't matter as Superman wouldn't be able to keep him at a distance forever. Rudy could just absorb other nearby power sources, and would absorb Sperman's heat vision if Clark used it on him.
from Wikipedia:
The Parasite is a fictional character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_character) and supervillain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervillain) who appears in Superman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman) stories published by DC Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Comics). The Parasite first appeared in Action Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Comics) #340 (August 1966 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966)).
Originally a janitor, the Parasite's alter ego has been identified with two different people. In the original Silver Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Age_of_comic_books) comics, his alter ego was Maxwell Jensen; after the 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986) Superman origin revamp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_of_Steel_%28comic_book%29), his alter ego became Rudy Jones.
In either version, the Parasite possesses the power to temporarily absorb the energy and knowledge of whoever he touches, usually leaving his victims in a weakened state. Given this ability, the Parasite often desires to absorb the Man of Steel's powers for himself.







Uhm.... I think I have the upperhand in this situation.

[roach]

when Ur a supervillain U aint gonna shoot down villain ideas because you've done it before......Yes lets condemn Sr because it took it's basic plot from STM but not say a word about BB which duplicated the whole gas Gotham plot from B89.

[afan]

My problem with K is the inconsistent way it is used, and it's abundancy.

Green K is immediately debilitating to Superman. It instills an overwhelming and disabling infirmity for the Man of Steel in proportion to it's proximity, and prolonged exposure results in death. As he approached it he would identify the effect, allowing him to take measures to avoid close contact.

It does not rob Superman of his powers. It does however instill such a severe weakness that he is totally incapable of using his "active" powers. He is helpless but not powerless.

Green K is very very rare on Earth. Unlike it's presence in "Smallville"(which I blame for much of the confusion surrounding Green K) it is not found evrywhere lying about.

And since someone brought up magic...........
Magic is not a "weakness" of Superman's, he is powerless against the intent of magic. There is a difference. If a mage punched Superman his fist would be no less hurting than anyone else.

[The Question]

When was this 10 year stretch? wasn't the Byrne years since he reintroduced Metallo with Kryptonite in his chest.Metallo had a back up powersupply when luthor took his kryptonite that allowed him to escape but when he was upgraded by Neron, he got the Green K back(it wasn't 10 years it was 2). Metallo has never been without Kryptonite. It wasn't the "Lois and Clark get married years because they not only had Lex with the kryptonite ring but they also introduced the mxyzptlyk created Red Kryptonite. There was a breif period when he was invulnerable to Kryptonite in the 1970's, but after painting themselves in a corner this was reversed. It wasn't the 60's because I checked the DC showcases I have and yep there's kryptonite.

Metallo went for most of the 90s without using Kryptonite. Luthor took Metallo's Kryptonite around 1990 or so, and Neron was giving villains upgrades in 1998. And Neron's upgrade wasn't giving Metallo his Kryptonite back. It was giving him shapeshifting powers and the power to control other machines.

from Wikipedia:
The Parasite is a fictional character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_character) and supervillain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervillain) who appears in Superman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman) stories published by DC Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Comics). The Parasite first appeared in Action Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Comics) #340 (August 1966 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966)).
Originally a janitor, the Parasite's alter ego has been identified with two different people. In the original Silver Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Age_of_comic_books) comics, his alter ego was Maxwell Jensen; after the 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986) Superman origin revamp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_of_Steel_%28comic_book%29), his alter ego became Rudy Jones.
In either version, the Parasite possesses the power to temporarily absorb the energy and knowledge of whoever he touches, usually leaving his victims in a weakened state. Given this ability, the Parasite often desires to absorb the Man of Steel's powers for himself.







Uhm.... I think I have the upperhand in this situation.

No, you don't/ Rudy doesn't have to touch someone to drain them. He only has to be near them. And even then, it doesn't matter. Superman can't keep him at a distance. He throes heavy objects at him, Rudy absorbs the kinetic energy. He uses heat vision, Rudy absorbs the heat.

[JamalYIgle]

Metallo went for most of the 90s without using Kryptonite. Luthor took Metallo's Kryptonite around 1990 or so, and Neron was giving villains upgrades in 1998. And Neron's upgrade wasn't giving Metallo his Kryptonite back. It was giving him shapeshifting powers and the power to control other machines. Actually he lost it in 1994 and Umderworld unleashed happened in 1996. He was being powered by Kryptonite.



No, you don't/ Rudy doesn't have to touch someone to drain them. He only has to be near them. And even then, it doesn't matter. Superman can't keep him at a distance. He throes heavy objects at him, Rudy absorbs the kinetic energy. He uses heat vision, Rudy absorbs the heat.

No he does have to have physical contact to drain them, the only thing he can drain at a distance is energy. And even then when it happened all it did was mutate him because Superman used him to drain off his own excess solar energy buildup.it doesn't matter since that version is dead anyway.
Dude, I work for DC. I've got the comics and the info at a phone call away to Eddie Berganza and Matt Idelson.I know what i'm talking about.

[Cyrusbales]

Kryptonite tipped bullets, or Kryptonite nerve gas. Perhaps Kryptonite needles that inject a krytonite solution into his blood, it's not hard damn it!!!! Or instead of stabbing him then throwing him off the cliff, STAB HIM IN THE HEART!!! SLIT HIS THROAT!!!!

I don't mind about using kryptonite, as long as they use their freakin' mind about it!!!!!

[JamalYIgle]

Kryptonite tipped bullets, or Kryptonite nerve gas. Perhaps Kryptonite needles that inject a krytonite solution into his blood, it's not hard damn it!!!! Or instead of stabbing him then throwing him off the cliff, STAB HIM IN THE HEART!!! SLIT HIS THROAT!!!!

I don't mind about using kryptonite, as long as they use their freakin' mind about it!!!!!
Well the way it's handled in the comics these days is that the general public is unaware of Kryptonite. it's rare, hard to come by. I think as off the most recent Action comics, Luthor used most of the kryptonite on the planet to reactivate a Kryptonian battle crusier. So you won't be seeing it used too much.

[Cyrusbales]

In SR, luthor has a WHOLE ISLAND OF KRYPTONITE, yet wastes that opportunity to DEFINATELY KILL superman, he's supposed to be an evil genius, he's clearly an idiot!!!!

[elvislennon2005]

normal rock kryptonite was also used in superman 3 - when Richard Pryor gives Superman as a present...

I'm not sure if it was used in Superman 4....

Kryptonite running inside Metallo or in Doomsday's blood is definitely more creative than usual, but it's still old.

It doesn't matter that kryptonite is one of Superman's weaknesses. Does every other superhero in the Marvel or DC universe always have a weakness? No, they don't - that's why you pit Super-strength superheros versus super-strength villains. It's not about a fight of winning versus losing. It's about the entertainment factor of watching huge fighting bouts - wrecking cities, smashing through buildings and streets, getting uppercutted into space, etc. a la final fight between Neo and Agent Smith in Matrix Revolutions. A person loses a fight due to being tricked, not usually being overpowered as in most hero/villain action movies.

Using Lois or the son as bait to pee off Superman is definitely good too - but any villain can do that - whether it be Luthor or Darkseid...If they are going to use kryptonite again, the villain should inject some liquid form of kryptonite into Lois or the son, so that Superman can't go near his loved ones, and just kick some villain ass already...



The Kryptonite that was in Superman 3 was not normal. If you remember it was man made and plus there was a unknown element and Russ (Richard Pryor) added Tar to that unknown element. He gave it to Superman and the Kryptonite did not make him weak. Instead with the tar it poison his blood and made him into a bad guy. So in view that is not normal. The only time that normal kryptonite (meaning making Superman weak) was in Superman: The Movie and Superman Returns. Normal Kryptonite was not use in 2, 3, and 4.

Next, I am not sick of Kryptonite. Superman has to have a weakness beside of Magic. I like how Lex made a island out of Kryptonite. I don't think that was done in the comics. If it has then I don't remember that happening.

JamalYIgle is 100% correct on the topics of Metallo and Parasite. There was only a 2 year stretch of metallo not using Kryptonite. I would like The Question to provide the comics from the supposelly 10 stretch. I have all the Superman comics from the 90s and he had Kryptonite most of the time in them. Only a two year time is when he didn't have it. Next, Parasite has to touch someone to temporarily absorb the energy and knowledge of whoever he touches. Again, I have nearly all the comics of the Parasite that was introduce witht he alter ego of Rudy Jones. I have never seen Superman use his heat vison and Parasite then having them. When he touch Superman he gets all of Superman's abilites. Parasite is like a walking Kryptonite for Superman. It takes a while for Superman to get his strength back. Even though he has gone toe to toe with Parasite he not at 100% because Parasite got some of the strength.

[The Question]

Actually he lost it in 1994 and Umderworld unleashed happened in 1996. He was being powered by Kryptonite.

I'm pretty sure he went far longer without Kryptonite.

No he does have to have physical contact to drain them, the only thing he can drain at a distance is energy.

And he drains energy from people.

And even then when it happened all it did was mutate him because Superman used him to drain off his own excess solar energy buildup.it doesn't matter since that version is dead anyway.

Not anymore. He came back a few months ago.

Dude, I work for DC. I've got the comics and the info at a phone call away to Eddie Berganza and Matt Idelson.I know what i'm talking about.

No, you don't, aparantly.

[superbaby]

SICK TO DEATH!!!

but what to do, we got a creativeless director...

[JamalYIgle]

I'm pretty sure he went far longer without Kryptonite.



And he drains energy from people.



Not anymore. He came back a few months ago.



No, you don't, aparantly.

Rudy Jones is dead, the Parasite that's in JLA# 3 is new. Unless your talking about All Star Superman.

[The Question]

Rudy Jones is dead, the Parasite that's in JLA# 3 is new. Unless your talking about All Star Superman.

There's been nothing to suggest that that isn't Rudy, and the fact that he looks alot like Rudy suggests it is.

[JamalYIgle]

There's been nothing to suggest that that isn't Rudy, and the fact that he looks alot like Rudy suggests it is.
The fact that I A) work for DC Comics B) Asked the editor Eddie Berganza about 2 minutes ago if it was Rudy Jones and he said no, Makes it a fact.
look, I know you want to be "right", to have some sort of internet victory. However, I have access to information that you don't. I have contact with writers,artist and editors that you don't. So can we just call it a wash? This is getting repetitive.

[HUMAN]

I don't mind Kryptonite, but I wish they would bring in some other versions of it. Maybe Red Kryptonite on the same track with Smallville's or Gold Kryptonite that takes away his powers. That would be an interesting pickle for Superman to work his way out of.

The world will still have trust issues with Superman in the next one sense he's been gone for so long, so having him turn bad suddenly (due to Red K) would be an interesting plot device.

"He Returned Changed"

[November Rain]

In SR, luthor has a WHOLE ISLAND OF KRYPTONITE, yet wastes that opportunity to DEFINATELY KILL superman, he's supposed to be an evil genius, he's clearly an idiot!!!!he stabbed him and threw him to his doom, off a cliff into freezing water, if lois wasn't there, he would be dead

what more do you want from luthor:confused:

[November Rain]

I think the kryptonite overuse in media is actually apparent in smallville and it is having an effect on what is seen on the big screen.

saying this though, supes having a force to be reckoned with is also a decent idea.

A parasite usage may draw parallels to the hulk and his absorbing dad (but that just goes to show that a scenario of that case would work to some degree).

the problem with have an equal in strength based on how strong we saw supes in return is simply that vast regions of earth simply wouldn't be enough to be a sufficient battle ground. it couldn't fit around a cosy street like it did in supes 2, they need vasts amount of desert or uninhabited areas to duel. and i don't think the earth holds enough of it.

[afan]

I don't mind Kryptonite, but I wish they would bring in some other versions of it. Maybe Red Kryptonite on the same track with Smallville's or Gold Kryptonite that takes away his powers. That would be an interesting pickle for Superman to work his way out of.

The world will still have trust issues with Superman in the next one sense he's been gone for so long, so having him turn bad suddenly (due to Red K) would be an interesting plot device.

"He Returned Changed"

Again "Smallville" is to blame........Red K's effect on Superman is not to make him a bad boy Superman. Red K's effect on Superman varies each time he suffers exposure and the effect never repeats itself. The effect can be minor or major; reasonable or ridiculous.

[toddly6666]

it's time to see a planet-hopping, bumping into asteroids,super brawl between Superman and a Superpowered villain emphasizing the vastness of space and the smallness of the earth. With CGI and blue screen technology, it won't cost that much more than the usual amount hollywood wastes to have them brawl with each other from the earth, to the moon, to outerspace, to the sun, to a different galaxy or whatever. I'm thinking the type of climactic fight at the end of BLADE 2 or MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, but only with a different background (such as space, sun, asteroids, planets). What the heck cost so much in Superman Returns - the cape? For the amount they spent, they could have filmed a whole universe epic.

It's a total shame that they have to resort to always going back to the evil genius businessman and his scary green rock - it's just so campy/mod/kitsch/austin powers.

[C. Lee]

In SR, luthor has a WHOLE ISLAND OF KRYPTONITE, yet wastes that opportunity to DEFINATELY KILL superman, he's supposed to be an evil genius, he's clearly an idiot!!!!
Creatures from all around the universe have been unsuccesfully trying to kill Superman for almost 70 years.....so apparently the universe is composed of evil idiots then.

[The Question]

The fact that I A) work for DC Comics B) Asked the editor Eddie Berganza about 2 minutes ago if it was Rudy Jones and he said no, Makes it a fact.

Except that I A) have no reason to actually believe that you work for DC, and B) know that you are wrong about The Parasite's powers.

look, I know you want to be "right", to have some sort of internet victory. However, I have access to information that you don't. I have contact with writers,artist and editors that you don't. So can we just call it a wash? This is getting repetitive.

How do I know you're not bull****ing me?

[C. Lee]

Uh...he does work for DC....he's telling the truth.

[elvislennon2005]

I got in touch with a few of my sources who knows people who work for DC and from what I gather JamalYIgle actually works for DC. I had to get through to some of my sources that I haven't use in a while but he is telling the truth. C. Lee who is a moderator for this forum has just said that he works for DC. I think if anyone would know it would be him since he made this forum.

[The Question]

Alright then. Still, working for DC doesn't mean you know more about continuity.

[JamalYIgle]

Alright then. Still, working for DC doesn't mean you know more about continuity.
Perhaps, but actually owning the issues and an ability to talk to the people who did the work does.

[elvislennon2005]

Yes, it does. It works better when someone who has all of the 90s books and reads them often that they know some of the characters that he is saying that had been without kryptonite for 10 years but actually it was about 2.:woot:

[Eros]

Since superman cannot be hurt buy anyone or anything, and Kryptonite is the only thing that can stop him, i dun see the problem. oh buy the way anyone with any knowledge of anything ,would know a space fight would be like a silent movie.

[The Question]

Perhaps, but actually owning the issues and an ability to talk to the people who did the work does.

I'm still in disagreement with you about The Parasite's powers, but whatever. Back to the point: Kryptonite is not necessairy for Superman's villains to be threats. Parasite doesn't need it, Bizarro doesn't need it, Brainiac doesn't need it, even Metallo, who is supposed to be Superman's equal in strength, doesn't really need it.

[Eros]

I'm still in disagreement with you about The Parasite's powers, but whatever. Back to the point: Kryptonite is not necessairy for Superman's villains to be threats. Parasite doesn't need it, Bizarro doesn't need it, Brainiac doesn't need it, even Metallo, who is supposed to be Superman's equal in strength, doesn't really need it.

I think its the fact all of superman rogues gallery save for Lex Luthor and Brainiac sucks superemly.

[The Question]

I think its the fact all of superman rogues gallery save for Lex Luthor and Brainiac sucks superemly.

No, they don't. They're potentially cool, but many writers fail to see said potential.

[batman7289]

prehaps they use kyrponite to kill supes cause thats the only thing that can

[War Lord]

This is why, when the next Superman movie is made, they shouldn't use Kryptonite at all.

Superman has a third weakness and it's his regard for human life.

The right villain can hold Superman at bay just by threatening lives in a way that Superman can't prevent.

[elvislennon2005]

I think that has been done. Remember Superman II when Zod is using his heat vison to make the car expode. Well, Superman took care of that. Then, He flew to the FOS to get the villians away from as many people as possible. They only brought two people - Lex and Lois. Even though he doesn't like Lex he still had to take care of the matter with ease. And he did. He use Lex because he knew that Lex might tell the villians what he is going to do but it backfire. So that is really a weakness when he can think of a way to get out of it. He has many times in the comic books.

[JamalYIgle]

In SR, luthor has a WHOLE ISLAND OF KRYPTONITE, yet wastes that opportunity to DEFINATELY KILL superman, he's supposed to be an evil genius, he's clearly an idiot!!!!
He stabbed him in the back with a kryptonite shiv. Then fell off a cliff into the mid atlantic near a continet covered in kryptonite. If Lois and Richard hadn't comeback for him, he would have died.

[elvislennon2005]

That is correct.

[The Question]

Again, what's the problem with Superman simply facing someone who is powerful enough to hurt him? Most of his villains are. There's no need for all these special tricks or magic spells or green rocks.

[C. Lee]

Again, what's the problem with Superman simply facing someone who is powerful enough to hurt him? Most of his villains are. There's no need for all these special tricks or magic spells or green rocks.
There's no problem with that...but that isn't what the thread starter wanted...he's sick and tired of Kryptonite being used and doesn't want it used again. Some of us are saying that it is part of the Superman mythos so sit should still be used some.

[terry78]

It should be used, but not as a constant and the only means of defeating him. There should be a physical challenger that poses a serious threat to him and to Earth that he has problems beating. Though kryptonite itself has become so ingrained in pop culture that people call anything that's a weakness their "kryptonite", so I doubt it 's gonna go away anytime soon.

[Antonello Blueberry]

The fact that I A) work for DC Comics .
And you're very good, too.
Jamal, congrats for the Nightwing gig.

[JamalYIgle]

And you're very good, too.
Jamal, congrats for the Nightwing gig.
Thanks, Man.

[COMPO]

Mmmmm Mashed Potatoes...I am going to Boston Market.

mash pataaaa!!!

[storyteller]

In justice league cartoon, lex used kryptonite to power his suit.
In the comics lex used a kryptonite enhanced suit(and steroid) to up the ante.

Thats a fine way to use kryptonite without going the "here superman i hold kryptonite in my hands"

If anything they should lower the immediate effect. Superman should still be able to fight back though having a tough time.

[HUMAN]

Again "Smallville" is to blame........Red K's effect on Superman is not to make him a bad boy Superman. Red K's effect on Superman varies each time he suffers exposure and the effect never repeats itself. The effect can be minor or major; reasonable or ridiculous.

Yeah, I know. But having Superman turn bad due to Red K is more clever than him turning into something random, like a Superturtle.

[The Question]

In justice league cartoon, lex used kryptonite to power his suit.
In the comics lex used a kryptonite enhanced suit(and steroid) to up the ante.

Thats a fine way to use kryptonite without going the "here superman i hold kryptonite in my hands"

If anything they should lower the immediate effect. Superman should still be able to fight back though having a tough time.

Lex's suit in the comics isn't Kryptonite enhanced. And mixing steroids with liquid Kryptonite doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't give you extra strength, it would give you cancer.

[afan]

Yeah, I know. But having Superman turn bad due to Red K is more clever than him turning into something random, like a Superturtle.

Superturtle would definitely be the ridiculous end of the spectrum:woot: , but Red K's effect is an open book for creative writing; making the constant effect a bad Superman is the least creative use of Red K.

[JamalYIgle]

Lex's suit in the comics isn't Kryptonite enhanced. And mixing steroids with liquid Kryptonite doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't give you extra strength, it would give you cancer.
Uhmm Actually those points are both correct:
in Superman/Batman issues 4 and 5 revealed that Lex had been mxing distilled Kryptonite with a variation of Bane's Venom formula and injecting himself with it.
His current battlesuit, Seen since Supergirl and Infinite Crisis,forged in the apokoliptian firepits is not only Kryptonite powered but it's right glove has multi colored kryptonite.

[Cyrusbales]

Lex's suit in the comics isn't Kryptonite enhanced. And mixing steroids with liquid Kryptonite doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't give you extra strength, it would give you cancer.

LMAO

I found this very funny, it's like "well you may have superpowers, but I, have cancer!",

Probably kill superman through laughter!

Also, can supes pull a muscle?

[The Question]

Uhmm Actually those points are both correct:
in Superman/Batman issues 4 and 5 revealed that Lex had been mxing distilled Kryptonite with a variation of Bane's Venom formula and injecting himself with it.

Which is stupid. Kryptonite is a highly radioactive substance. It gave him cancer from wearing a kryptonite ring for a few months. The injection should have killed him.

[JamalYIgle]

Which is stupid. Kryptonite is a highly radioactive substance. It gave him cancer from wearing a kryptonite ring for a few months. The injection should have killed him.
Actually it gave him cancer over the course of years, not months.It's alway been written that Kryptonite only affects humans after extended prolonged regular expsoure. Hey didn't write it, Jeph Loeb did. It's a comic book story, things only happen if you want them to.

[The Question]

Actually it gave him cancer over the course of years, not months.It's alway been written that Kryptonite only affects humans after extended prolonged regular expsoure. Hey didn't write it, Jeph Loeb did. It's a comic book story, things only happen if you want them to.

I was under the impression that he only had the Kryptonite ring for a few months to a year before it gave him cancer. And, in any event, wearing a Kryptonite ring and injecting liquid Kryptonite into your blood are two very different things.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

He stabbed him in the back with a kryptonite shiv. Then fell off a cliff into the mid atlantic near a continet covered in kryptonite. If Lois and Richard hadn't comeback for him, he would have died.

Exactly, and how was Lex to know Lois and Richard were even coming back, for all he knew Lois was still locked in the boat or dead.

[JamalYIgle]

I was under the impression that he only had the Kryptonite ring for a few months to a year before it gave him cancer. And, in any event, wearing a Kryptonite ring and injecting liquid Kryptonite into your blood are two very different things.
It's a comic book. Things change.

[The Question]

It's a comic book. Things change.

That's not an excuse for inconsistant writing. That's just a nice way of calling it inconsistant writing. And anyway, I stand by my point: Kryptonite is completely unnecessairy to give Superman a challange. And, honestly, I'm quite tired of seeing it.

[Cats]

I think the problem here is that the effects of kryptonite is undefined, apart from the fact that it makes Superman weak. Sometimes, a short term exposure renders him powerless, even for a few days. At other times he is still able to fight the bad guys under the influence. And we've all seen him lift a continent into outerspace with a piece of kryptonite wedged in his side. Someone should start writing some rules on the effects of kryptonite on Superman.

One thing that always frustrates me with the use of kryptonite is how it usually ends up reflecting badly on Superman's intelligence/cunning. How many scenes are there where Superman walks self-willingly, sometimes quite unnecessarily into an obvious trap and not think to use his other nifty abilities to avoid proximity to danger? Superman is quite invulnerable, kryptonite was invented to depower him in ways. But I'm sure that being brought up as a man, he has picked up on weaknesses than just kryptonite - namely emotional content. I'd like to see an intelligent Superman, and an even more intelligent villain playing mind games.

[C. Lee]

That's not an excuse for inconsistant writing. That's just a nice way of calling it inconsistant writing. And anyway, I stand by my point: Kryptonite is completely unnecessairy to give Superman a challange. And, honestly, I'm quite tired of seeing it.
Check the continuity of any comic that has gone 30 plus years......things change.

[afan]

I think the problem here is that the effects of kryptonite is undefined, .


Green K is immediately debilitating to Superman. It instills an overwhelming and disabling infirmity for the Man of Steel in proportion to it's size and proximity, and prolonged exposure results in death. As he approached it he would identify the effect tho, allowing him to easily take measures to avoid close contact. Enemies must use clever devices in order to spring it on an unsuspecting Superman.

It does not rob Superman of his powers. It does however instill such a severe weakness that he is totally incapable of using his "active" powers. He is helpless but not powerless.

Green K is very very rare on Earth. Unlike it's presence in "Smallville"(which I blame for much of the confusion surrounding Green K) it is not found evrywhere lying about.

And since someone brought up magic...........
Magic is not a "weakness" of Superman's, he is powerless against the intent of magic. There is a difference. If a mage punched Superman his fist would be no less effective than anyone else.

A lot of misuse ("Smallville" in particular) of the properties of Green K over the years, but this is the base effect of the metal.

[Pimpjuice16]

Kryptonite, which robbed Superman of his powers, is no longer the stuff of comic books and films.

A mineral found by geologists in Serbia shares virtually the same chemical composition as the fictional kryptonite from outer space, used by the superhero's nemesis Lex Luther to weaken him in the film "Superman Returns".

"We will have to be careful with it -- we wouldn't want to deprive Earth of its most famous superhero!," said Dr Chris Stanley, a mineralogist at London's Natural History Museum.

Stanley, who revealed the identity of the mysterious new mineral, discovered the match after searching the Internet for its chemical formula - sodium lithium boron silicate hydroxide.

"I was amazed to discover that same scientific name written on a case of rock containing kryptonite stolen by Lex Luther from a museum in the film Superman Returns," he said.

The substance has been confirmed as a new mineral after tests by scientists at the Natural History Museum in London and the National Research Council in Canada.

But instead of the large green crystals in Superman comics, the real thing is a white, powdery substance which contains no fluorine and is non-radioactive.

The mineral, to be named Jadarite, will go on show at the London's Natural History Museum at certain times of the day on Wednesday, April 25, and Sunday, May 13.

[Zor-El]

Krypton is real, too.
http://www.comcast.net/news/science/index.jsp?cat=SCIENCE&fn=/2007/04/24/645313.html&cvqh=itn_kryptonite
:woot:

[Zor-El]

whoa wrong link, that one's about the kryptonite.
I have one about a planet that circles a red star and has similar temperatures to earth with the potential to support liquid water... i'll find it. gimme time lol

[Zor-El]

http://www.comcast.net/news/science/index.jsp?cat=SCIENCE&fn=/2007/04/24/645720.html
here it is. I knew i wasn't crazy.

[wellsy]

Now if they could make it radioactive...

And if only Singer were from Krypton...

Phwahahahahahahaaha!

J/k! :D

[Lighthouse]

If that planet explodes, I'm taking a road trip to Kansas.

[Steelsheen]

http://www.comcast.net/news/science/index.jsp?cat=SCIENCE&fn=/2007/04/24/645720.html
here it is. I knew i wasn't crazy.

very interesting.


Now if they could make it radioactive...

And if only Singer were from Krypton...

Phwahahahahahahaaha!

J/k! :D

:D

[zerohour films]

I was just about to post this same article.
Funny how it came out the same week as the real kryptonite article.

I guess we need to keep our eye on this planet and if it ever goes bye-bye someone needs to get to Kansas and start looking for a baby in a spaceship.

[Steelsheen]

anybody ever heard of Red Son?

what if supposed baby in spaceship lands in Russia? or give that the Russians are already democratic, what about China or North Korea?

[dark_sentinel]

hmm.... "kryptonite" discovered the same day that a nearly Earth-like planet orbiting a red sun is discovered.... conicidence?:woot:

[nyczwillz]

too baaad it doesnt glow.

[Pimpjuice16]

If that planet explodes, I'm taking a road trip to Kansas.
lol why so u can get krypto powers?

[Uncanny]

Another factor that kryptonite sucks is that the best/most entertaining fight scenes out of all five superman movies were:
1. Superman versus Zod and Co. in SUPERMAN 2
2. Superman versus Evil Superman in SUPERMAN 3

We gotta have Darkseid, Brainiac, Parasite, Metallo, or Bizarro for the next movie. Superman is an alien - these movies don't need to be so Earth grounded-only. Singer feels he has to keep everything so real. A good screenwriter can make a movie relatable with important relationship themes or keep things real even when dealing with other planets or aliens.

As long as Luthor is in the movies we will have kryptonite. Super only BIG two weaknesses are Kryptonite and Magic.

Unless the WB has Darkseid, Parasite, Doomsday, Mongul or others as the main bad guys in the movies we will have more Kryptonite.

[ThanosOfTitans]

I would love to see the next superman film to go a whole run without kryptonite. WE GET IT, SUPERMAN IS ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY IT! WOW! Thanks for pounding it into our skulls. I agree it should be there some of the time, but it's been shoved in our face so often that it's no longer appealing. I think the next movie should be totally void of kryptonite.

And for god sakes, please have corpotate/political/scientific lex in the next movie! Can we see the savvy cunning and genius Lex Luther the way he was meant to be. If we're going to continue to see him in every movie, can we at least make him more of a threat. Lex should be mingling with corporate execs (managing his mega-wealth), the scientific community (developing new defense technology that drives his corporation) and senators (amassing his support for presidency)...not associating himself with a bunch of common criminal and goons.

[BareKnucklez]

Well Singer didn't go with a super-baddie in SR so Lex had to use something. It's one of only a handful of weaknesses. Magic would just be too silly in movies.

I agree 100% magic would have been a terrible idea... Singer had no choice but to use Kryptonite...

If the plot is good it works... Sadly the movies plot sucked... :o

[ThanosOfTitans]

I agree 100% magic would have been a terrible idea... Singer had no choice but to use Kryptonite...

If the plot is good it works... Sadly the movies plot sucked... :o

hey i like the idea of magic. but not over the top magic, just sublte stuff. maybe a magical villain as a minor villain who uses magic to augment his fighting skills, strength, and speed...and allow him to fly, teleport and fire mystical projectiles. I think that would have been cool if done right.

[superbaby]

Is anyone else sick of kryptonite constantly being used to weaken Superman? How come every villain in the movie finds this green rare rock that Superman is allergic too? It's just overused and getting old. I think it's been used in the five past Superman movies (maybe not in Superman 2? - which is probably why the second one is the best one). The idea of using kryptonite in a Superman movie is very campy and cheesy as well. It's just too easy and silly to have in the movie. Give Superman a new challenge already!

This is why we we need a superpowered villain. If the Superman Returns sequel uses Luthor, Brainiac, or Metallo, there's a good chance they are going to be using kryptonite against Supes.
if singer returned, kryptonite would be returned too. 'member, kryponite was planted everywhere in SR. the sea, the outer space, lex, the hospital, the museum, almost every corner got a piece of kryptonite.
that's just terrible.

[mego joe]

Is anyone else sick of kryptonite constantly being used to weaken Superman? How come every villain in the movie finds this green rare rock that Superman is allergic too? It's just overused and getting old. I think it's been used in the five past Superman movies (maybe not in Superman 2? - which is probably why the second one is the best one). The idea of using kryptonite in a Superman movie is very campy and cheesy as well. It's just too easy and silly to have in the movie. Give Superman a new challenge already!

This is why we we need a superpowered villain. If the Superman Returns sequel uses Luthor, Brainiac, or Metallo, there's a good chance they are going to be using kryptonite against Supes.


Answer: Yes.

[ThanosOfTitans]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rp2f2OcCpQ&mode=related&search=


This is funny. Dunn if it's been posted already, but I think it perfectly comomunicates (with a lil humor) some of the gripes we have about kryptonite being in EVERY movie.

[Mr. Socko]

As much as everyone may be sick of Kryptonite, it will always be around because it's the only thing that can stop Superman.

[Timstuff]

I am tired of kryptonite, personally. I think it'd be a lot more interesting if Superman had to fight a villain who doesn't have any kryptonite-related edge over Superman, and is just plain his equal in terms of physical prowess, or possibly better. I heard a lot of people complain that they almost wanted to root for Lex Luthor in SR just because they knew how easy it was for Superman to kick his butt. People like to root for the underdog, and that's probably part of why Superman has had popularity problems for a while. He's just too strong, and in SR, there was no-one who could actually physically dominate him.

I always loved the idea of Lex Luthor always wearing a ring with a kryptonite gem, because that would be a great frustration for Superman. Even if he wanted to kick Luthor's posterior, he can't just because of a stupid little rock on Luthor's finger, which always reminds Superman to stay out of his personal space.

[Showtime]

Superman: Will I see you...around?
Kryptonite: I'm always around, goodnight Superman.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

oh i see, instead of kryptonite, they could throw custard pies at him instead, that will show him.

[Showtime]

They should use that screwdriver from Dr. Who...

[ThanosOfTitans]

oh i see, instead of kryptonite, they could throw custard pies at him instead, that will show him.

Or they could just get a capable super villain to at least THROW a punch at him. That's a lot easier than going through the arduous task of baking a custard pie. :yay:

[Showtime]

I thought the idea when you get down the the original bones of it all, to have an island made of Kryptonite and Superman getting stabbed by a Kryptonite shard were good. The problem was execution.

If Kryptonite is to be used I want it embedded in Metallo, otherwise, lets get it amped up.

[Timstuff]

How do you beat a man of steel? Perhaps with a supervillain that has fists harder than steel? ;)

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/fc/Metallo5.jpg

Or someone with intelligence greater than Lex Luthor, with the strength of Superman to back it up? Maybe someone so bad, he could potentially require Supes and Lex to temporarily combine forces?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/7/7b/Brainiac(STAS).jpg

Yes, it is possible to give Superman a threat without resorting to the green rock.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Or they could just get a capable super villain to at least THROW a punch at him. That's a lot easier than going through the arduous task of baking a custard pie. :yay:



Agreed, but imagine the stain in his suit, get that one out without calgon.:woot:

[ThanosOfTitans]

How do you beat a man of steel? Perhaps with a supervillain that has fists harder than steel? ;)

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/fc/Metallo5.jpg

Or someone with intelligence greater than Lex Luthor, with the strength of Superman to back it up? Maybe someone so bad, he could potentially require Supes and Lex to temporarily combine forces?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/7/7b/Brainiac(STAS).jpg

Yes, it is possible to give Superman a threat without resorting to the green rock.

:yay: And the critics agree. Two thumbs up! Bravo! Bravo!

[Cue Applause]

[C. Lee]

Is anyone else sick of kryptonite constantly being used to weaken Superman?
Is anyone else sick of criminals always shooting at John McClane? Why can't they just throw nerf balls at him?

Is anyone else sick of Jet Li always being attacked by martial artists? Why can't he ever get into a chess competition for the fate of China?

Etc......etc........etc.......

[Lightning Strykez!]

Is anyone else sick of "kryptonite" used as a weapon against Superman?

Yes, I'm deathly sick of it. It's been 30 years of the same tired-ass plot. :down

[ThanosOfTitans]

Is anyone else sick of criminals always shooting at John McClane? Why can't they just throw nerf balls at him?

Is anyone else sick of Jet Li always being attacked by martial artists? Why can't he ever get into a chess competition for the fate of China?

Etc......etc........etc.......


They don't always just shoot at John McClane, they also try to blow him up from time to time. And um, that's because guns are the weapons bad guys traditinoally use in most action movies...they even used guns in Superman Returns. Kids use nerf balls, they aren't intended to inflict pain. You don't see bank robbers in action movies using nerf balls or kryptonite as weapons....Kryptonite isn't a common weapon used in all action movies....guns are.

Jet Li isn't always attacked by martial artitsts and he isn't always in China...Unleashed anyone? Romeo Must Die? any of these movies ring a bell? Oh yeah, and guns are in both of those movies too, but no kryptonite.

[C. Lee]

They don't always just shoot at John McClane, they also try to blow him up from time to time. And um, that's because guns are the weapons bad guys traditinoally use in most action movies...they even used guns in Superman Returns. Kids use nerf balls, they aren't intended to inflict pain. You don't see bank robbers in action movies using nerf balls or kryptonite as weapons....Kryptonite isn't a common weapon used in all action movies....guns are.

Jet Li isn't always attacked by martial artitsts and he isn't always in China...Unleashed anyone? Romeo Must Die? any of these movies ring a bell? Oh yeah, and guns are in both of those movies too, but no kryptonite.

I know that he is also punched, kicked, blownup, rundown, etc......the point being.....he is predominately SHOT at....because that is the easiest way to inflict harm upon him....just as using Kryptonite is the easiest way to harm Supermam,even though he has also been shot at, blownup, crushed, froze, engulfed in flames.....

I know that Jet Li isn't always in China too.....but he initially gained his world wide fame as a martial artist defending his homeland of China.

The point of my post was missed......in an action adventure movie that is part of a series.....things get repeated.....especially using the hero's primary weakness against him.

The point of this thread is to make a complaint about Kryptonite being used against Superman in SR.....yes, it was used against him....but he was also shot at, punched, kicked, stabbed, and thrown off of a cliff into the ocean to drown. Kryptonite is his main weakness....but other things were tried and done to him also.

[ThanosOfTitans]

I know that he is also punched, kicked, blownup, rundown, etc......the point being.....he is predominately SHOT at....because that is the easiest way to inflict harm upon him....just as using Kryptonite is the easiest way to harm Supermam,even though he has also been shot at, blownup, crushed, froze, engulfed in flames.....

I know that Jet Li isn't always in China too.....but he initially gained his world wide fame as a martial artist defending his homeland of China.

The point of my post was missed......in an action adventure movie that is part of a series.....things get repeated.....especially using the hero's primary weakness against him.

The point of this thread is to make a complaint about Kryptonite being used against Superman in SR.....yes, it was used against him....but he was also shot at, punched, kicked, stabbed, and thrown off of a cliff into the ocean to drown. Kryptonite is his main weakness....but other things were tried and done to him also.

Well, of course normal things that will easily harm a human won't bring harm to him. Obviously the writers of the comics have found more creative outlets than just using kryptonite. No one is disptuing that krptonite makes superman weak and it should be present every now and then, but for God Sakes give us something different! The comicbook writers have found many different threats against superman that didn't involve kryptonite.

The kryptonite thing has been done sooo many times, it's not new or creative. Maybe instead of putting so much effort (or lack there of) into throwing in the kid, I think Singer shuold have been working on a better threat/villain. If the comics were like the Superman franchise with krptonite continuously making appearances in everyone...I don't think Superman would have last as long in the comics.

And I didn't miss the point you attempted to make, but I just don't think it's logical in the context you tried to make it, because guns are common weapons used in all action movies....guns are real. Jet Li is a real person and his niche is martial arts films. It's not the same as a fictional element of a movie based on a comicbook being overly used...especially when there are many other potential threats Superman can have. I don't see kryptonite appearing in every Superman comicbook...no reason it should appear in every movie...especially when we can't even get a decent super villain. Superman even got a kid before we got a decent supervillain. At the rate the franchise is going, the chances of Superman undergoing rhinoplasty operation are greater than the chances of him getting a decent super villain.

[terry78]

I use Darkseid as an example. He never needs kryptonite to bring Supes to his knees or cause him pain. That kind of power is what's needed to be showecased to show that krypton isn't the only thing that can damage him.

[The Chris]

There needs to be a mega villain in the next one. I despise Kryptonite, and it makes Superman look pathetic. "Oh, I can't with stand stupid green rock!" The one thing I hate the most in smallville is kryptonite is used every episode! I hate that dumb rock! Like you guys have said, bring in darkseid or doomsday, somebody who can fight!

[Cyrusbales]

SR uses kryptonite because it's bringing things up to speed, acting as a reminder and suchlike, also it's a good way to show hatred being chanelled in human form etc.

[Angeloz]

SR uses kryptonite because it's bringing things up to speed, acting as a reminder and suchlike, also it's a good way to show hatred being chanelled in human form etc.

Great point and well said. :up: :)

In the next film maybe someone will use a straightening iron on his front curl? :oldrazz: ;) :)

Angeloz

[GreenKToo]

I wouldnt mind it IF we have a decent supervillain as well. (Brainiac)

[BareKnucklez]

Forget super powered badguys! What this movie needs is!

http://wildwildwest.warnerbros.com/img/thefilm/tarantbig.jpg
&
http://www.projectthinice.org/images/thumbnails_big/kisses.jpg

[Showtime]

Now that is what I want to see.

[mjbull23]

To answer the original question posed to kick off this thread... Yes, I am tired of kryptonite being used in all the movies. Which now leads me to a follow up of sorts. ... I have a hunch that in this next installment, the great 'threat' will not so much be to Superman's life....(It's been done in virtually all the movies)... I think Singer is going to place the burden of suspense on the salvation of the human race. That is to say... Superman will be roughed up...but it will not be a question of whether or not he survives an encounter with one of his nemesis. The question may very well be...whether the people of earth survive...

[BareKnucklez]

Now that is what I want to see.

Those Polar Bears look like they mean business! :woot:

[Sun_Down]

Forget super powered badguys! What this movie needs is!

http://wildwildwest.warnerbros.com/img/thefilm/tarantbig.jpg
&
http://www.projectthinice.org/images/thumbnails_big/kisses.jpg

LMAO. "Polar bears are the fiercest killers in the animal kingdom".

[Arkady Rossovich]

There is nothing else besides Kryptonite that can harm Superman.

[Showtime]

Actually there is, magic being one of them.

[Super Kal]

Superman also has a problem with his lung capacity

[Showtime]

Now we are thinking.

[Captain Clown]

There is nothing else besides Kryptonite that can harm Superman.

Mexican food can.

Well that and Darkseid.

[C. Lee]

There is nothing else besides Kryptonite that can harm Superman.

Magic, red sun radiation, another Kryptonian, can't hold his breath forever, a mullet.......

[storyteller]

Yes back on topic. Superman rarely comes up against kryptonite in the comics. Humans have gotten smart enough to use weapons that are just lead pieces. Lasers and particle weapons give superman a run for his money. Also theres a simple solution to the invincible superman ideology.



POWER HIM DOWN!

The animated series did it by lowering his power considerably but he still the toughest mofo on the planet. I mean in the first couple of episodes a high power gun slowed him a little.


Also superman is hurt by plenty of stuff. The key thing is that most earth tech is useless against superman. But companies like lex corp take alien tech and up the game which gets spread around. Metahumans who arent just pure strength effect him. Reading the comics, the Omacs were really strong but had the weaponry to counter supermans durability.

[Showtime]

Magic, red sun radiation, another Kryptonian, can't hold his breath forever, a mullet.......

If the mullett didn't harm him, it sure harmed me.

[C. Lee]

If the mullett didn't harm him

Maybe not physicaly.....but it caused him damage none the less.

[Showtime]

Maybe not physicaly.....but it caused him damage none the less.

That and Red and Blue Superman really set him back.

[C. Lee]

That and Red and Blue Superman really set him back.

Thankfully I never read any of those books....just saw pics and the toys.

[Showtime]

I suffered through it, oh did I suffer.

[C. Lee]

We all suffer through some horrors when we are fans of some character....whether it be comic or otherwise.

I'm still waiting for a decent Doc Savage movie.

[Showtime]

You should write it yourself man, look at Rowling.

[C. Lee]

I've wrote and drawn my own Doc stories over the years.....producing a movie is another matter though.

[Showtime]

Wow. That's great. Did you do a feature length script or short stories?

[C. Lee]

Only short stories and a few comic books of my own....but I don't have any of them anymore.

[C. Lee]

Here's a drawing I was working on recently....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/C.Lee/doc.jpg

[Showtime]

Wow. That is really good man. I didn't realize you were an artist? Impressive.

[C. Lee]

Thank you.

I can't do as much now due to my arthritis....but I work on things now and then.

[Super Kal]

Here's a drawing I was working on recently....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/C.Lee/doc.jpg
you rock, C. Lee

awesome job :):up:

[Showtime]

Thank you.

I can't do as much now due to my arthritis....but I work on things now and then.

Do you have your own Doc Savage thread? You should make one to feature your art.

[C. Lee]

Thanks....I try.

[C. Lee]

Do you have your own Doc Savage thread? You should make one to feature your art.

Nope.....but I might have to think about it.

[mego joe]

Actually there is, magic being one of them.


Agreed. Additionally, I think just giving him situations that cause him to use his brain instead of his brawn in finding solutions works well in the comics. Using Kryptonite is soley about his strength and other super powers. Also, giving him challenges that are rooted in his caring for others where he has to make choices are good ideas as well.

Kryptonite may be one of he few things that can physically hurt him, but he is also vulnerable b/c of his compassion.

[StylishHokie21]

I agree that it's getting old, but what else could they use?

[Captain Clown]

I agree that it's getting old, but what else could they use?

A super villain?

[StylishHokie21]

A super villain?

Very funny! Your name suits you well.

[Redwoods Wolf]

I agree that it's getting old, but what else could they use?
Red sun lamps, as Justice Lord Batman did in "A Better World," or Russkie Bats did in "Red Son."

[Steelsheen]

Magic, red sun radiation, another Kryptonian, can't hold his breath forever, a mullet.......
LOL!

gawd i hated that mullet :o

also, i think Parasite is a pretty nasty villain against Supes. him or Amazo.

[Eternalzero]

Is anyone else sick of kryptonite constantly being used to weaken Superman? How come every villain in the movie finds this green rare rock that Superman is allergic too? It's just overused and getting old. I think it's been used in the five past Superman movies (maybe not in Superman 2? - which is probably why the second one is the best one). The idea of using kryptonite in a Superman movie is very campy and cheesy as well. It's just too easy and silly to have in the movie. Give Superman a new challenge already!

This is why we we need a superpowered villain. If the Superman Returns sequel uses Luthor, Brainiac, or Metallo, there's a good chance they are going to be using kryptonite against Supes.

ummm..........superman?


really, if it were battle of the titans it would be a live action DBZ movie. There lies the problem w/ superman.

[TheComicbookKid]

Kids like DBZ.

The problem for me is the destruction aspect of Metropolis. You can't have entire buildings falling down with people inside. It would make Superman look like he's killing innocent people for fighting in the city. But you also need people in jeopardy to signify the villain as a threat.

How do you find a balance?

[dark_b]

Kids like DBZ.

The problem for me is the destruction aspect of Metropolis. You can't have entire buildings falling down with people inside. It would make Superman look like he's killing innocent people for fighting in the city. But you also need people in jeopardy to signify the villain as a threat.

How do you find a balance?writte a story where you have people running ,and with cars driving out of metropolis. then you have a big battle in metroolis between superman and hte main villain. superman knows that noone is there so he can show for the first time how strong he is.
at the beginning of the movie you have superman and the main villain who wants to fight him. of course superman while trying to save all people that are in hte middle of all this doesnt have a chance. so he is defeated.

easie.

now if you are obssesed with donner than there is also an easie way. writte a story with zod and one small fight at the end of the movie. than at comic con when fans attack you that the fight wasnt big enough you say that people were in metropolis so they couldnt make a bigfight.
plus if you are a smart director you also mention that there wasnt enough money for a bigger fight,

its all easie. the only difference is that if he takes the second option he is an idiot. an idiot. :oldrazz:


remember guys this is a movie. they writte whatever they want. if they writte a fight in the middle of hte city with all people then they cna not have a fight. but if they writte something else then they can.
of course if they dont want a fight then there will be no fight. but of course you will get 100 of reasons why there was no fight.

[dark_b]

ummm..........superman?


really, if it were battle of the titans it would be a live action DBZ movie. There lies the problem w/ superman.ok i never said this so this is the first tiem.
but this is how it is in hte comics. superman fights .
. thats the only reason why a studio even should give a director more then 150 milions.

[TheComicbookKid]

Did you see the coverage of Hurricane Katrina? They had days to prepare and didn't get out. You're telling me a metropolitan city can be evacuated before an unannounced superfight begins?

The only other solution( to me ) is an external threat. Brainiac's ship is shooting giant laser beams into Metropolis. Superman is fighting Brainiac in space and/or on his ship. Supes is trying to stop the next cycle of laser attacks.

[dark_b]

Did you see the coverage of Hurricane Katrina? They had days to prepare and didn't get out. You're telling me a metropolitan city can be evacuated before an unannounced superfight begins?

The only other solution( to me ) is an external threat. Brainiac's ship is shooting giant laser beams into Metropolis. Superman is fighting Brainiac in space and/or on his ship. Supes is trying to stop the next cycle of laser attacks.
it was a quick idea. a good writter and 3 months can make it work. :cwink:

[Grinder]

Oh please, no one cares if there are people in the buildings! Those movies have a certain degree of disbelieve to them you just have to accept.

It's a friggin comic book movie!

Take the Spidey movies for example:
In S-M2, he rips out a load of walls to stop the train, debris falling down the streets. Dock Ock makes his way through the city by climbing buildings and destroying them with his arms. Again, plastering the streets with debris. He also randomly throws cars around.
In S-M3, Sandman blasts away a couple of cops, surely crashing them into the concrete a few yards away.
A whole friggin tower floor gets destroyed by a crane and the only one in danger is Gwen, and she's saved.
Harry throws Peter through a random building, and they destroy alot of walls, again with debris falling down the streets.

There are lots of other examples too. Fact is: If it's written right, no one cares if there could be people in danger somewhere in the background. It's the main characters and the story that count.

[COMPO]

Besides, woudln't Superman help with the rebuilding plus, it woudl make the fight that much interesting Superman has to stop the bad guy but, save the peopel as well.

[TheComicbookKid]

People were pointing to the Capt. Marvel and Sup fight from JLU. That fight destroyed entire blocks of buildings. Clearing one or two buildings would be good for me. I thought people wanted this huge epic battle throughout Metropolis, my bad.:csad:

[ThreeActRomance]

I think it was pretty damn cool to see Superman stabbed with Kryptonite, I thought it was fairly brutal the way that scene played out. As long as it is used creatively I think it is a must for any Superman movie.


not to mention getting shot in the FREAKING EYE.

honestly one day..i just want Supes to walk up to Random Gattling Gun Carrying Henchman # 4847874 and *****smack him and be like "IN FIFTY ****ING YEARS..HAS THE CONCEPT OF MAN OF STEEL NOT SUNK IN! GODDAMN!" and walk away

[Steelsheen]

not to mention getting shot in the FREAKING EYE.

honestly one day..i just want Supes to walk up to Random Gattling Gun Carrying Henchman # 4847874 and *****smack him and be like "IN FIFTY ****ING YEARS..HAS THE CONCEPT OF MAN OF STEEL NOT SUNK IN! GODDAMN!" and walk away

he's done that somewhat, by raising a brow/ smirking.

i loved that bullet in the eye scene. easily one of the best and most memorable scene in the whole movie.

[Spider-Bat]

I'm sick of WB period for not realizing that there's more to Superman than just Kryptonite, Lex Luthor, and saving planes.

And that there only seems to be the Donner universe, no, there is a comic there, now get a new villian, a new director who actually gets it, and make a revamp!:cmad:

[superbaby]

I'm sick of WB period for not realizing that there's more to Superman than just Kryptonite, Lex Luthor, and saving planes.

And that there only seems to be the Donner universe, no, there is a comic there, now get a new villian, a new director who actually gets it, and make a revamp!:cmad:
for the last time...

stop blaming donner universe!!! :mad:

if you don't find singer's SR exciting/enjoyable, it's all because of singer!!! don't look for excuses and blame the others!!! :mad:

[VenomsMom]

Superman's enemies should just make some Krytonite bullets and shoot him.

[superbaby]

Superman's enemies should just make some Krytonite bullets and shoot him.
ya, since everybody knows it and can find it easily.
yo, more superman's ass kicking!!! singer should be very excited about it.

[afan]

Superman's enemies should just make some Krytonite bullets and shoot him.


Grrrrrrrrr......curse you "Smallville".

Green K doesn't work that way. It's one of the common misconceptions, but no less innacurate. Green K doesn't negate Superman's powers, it makes him too weak to use them actively, his invulnerability tho is a passive power, and still would protect him from harm.

[Angeloz]

Yet he got stabbed with the stuff. Though the real question is could or would the bullets disintegrate on impact because they have the wrong chemical make-up? Metal works but not everything does. "Mythbusters" found meat bullets wouldn't work and I forget about ice bullets.

Angeloz

[afan]

Yet he got stabbed with the stuff. Though the real question is could or would the bullets disintegrate on impact because they have the wrong chemical make-up? Metal works but not everything does. "Mythbusters" found meat bullets wouldn't work and I forget about ice bullets.

Angeloz

Love "Mythbusters".

He got stabbed by it in SR, because the film like "Smallville" corrupts the mythos, which is totally acceptable when presented as an "Elseworlds" tale, but unacceptable when it is the result of a misunderstanding of the characters core.

[Angeloz]

He also got shot in the comics too I believe before "Smallville" ever did it.

Angeloz

[afan]

He also got shot in the comics too I believe before "Smallville" ever did it.

Angeloz

Could be, but it still does not work that way.
Two, three or even several wrongs don't make a right.

[true316]

He also got shot in the comics too I believe before "Smallville" ever did it.

Angeloz

He also got shot with a kryptonite bullet in an episode of Lois and Clark.

[Hypestyle]

we've already seen what green can do in the movies.. technically we've never seen any other colors used.. (in part 3, green K was laced with tar).. so, what do you think?

[Angeloz]

Pink kryptonite so he dates Batman. :oldrazz:

Angeloz

[Showtime]

Ha HA

[matthooper]

Since Singer has no idea how green kryptonite works, I don't think we should give him any other ideas about other colors.

Maybe first, he should understand and handle green kryptonite correctly, then move on to screw up other colors.

[COMPO]

Why what did he do wong with green?

[hammy]

Pink kryptonite so he dates Batman. :oldrazz:

Angeloz

:woot:



Maybe first, he should understand and handle green kryptonite correctly, then move on to screw up other colors.

:woot:

[Jochimus]

Howzabout plaid Kryptonite? It would have the power to make everyone in range stare at it dumbfounded, wondering how they managed to get that pattern on a piece of rock.

Oh, it also makes bad guys move at Ludicrous Speed. :oldrazz:

[Angeloz]

So you don't need a guy dressed in a big helmet in a space ship for that (ludicrous speed)? ;)

Angeloz

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would say Red,but it's doubtful it will ever be done.

[superbaby]

No More Kryptonite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[COMPO]

what about black kryptonite?

[Spidey220987]

what about black kryptonite?
racist :cmad: lol :oldrazz:

[turtlefocker]

Id love to see red uses ala smallville...

[Motown Marvel]

you forgot jewel kryptonite....which has been used in the comics :o

[Matt]

None. They are already inconsistant enough with green :cwink:

[Showtime]

No more Kryptonite.

[Angeloz]

I'm afraid Lex still has some. Although is it really objectionable if he uses it to protect himself against Supes? Like in the comics with a ring. But not to create any more islands/continents. So it's not a major plot point. Nor what is the major conflict.

Angeloz

[manofsteel4life]

Pink kryptonite so he dates Batman. :oldrazz:

Angeloz
lol

[manofsteel4life]

Why what did he do wong with green?
nothing....he justs needs to bash Singer on something :whatever:

[manofsteel4life]

I'm afraid Lex still has some. Although is it really objectionable if he uses it to protect himself against Supes? Like in the comics with a ring. But not to create any more islands/continents. So it's not a major plot point. Nor what is the major conflict.

Angeloz
i agree..i think he should use it to protect himself from Supes rather than use it in his plots

[Matt]

I wouldn't mind seeing the ring on one hand, but on the other hand, I don't like the idea of Lex having to hide behind it. That is one of my gripes with the Donner/Singer Lex. A piece of kryptonite is the only thing between him and being flown into jail again. He has no real power over Superman like post-crisis Lex who has the mental edge.

[Angeloz]

Does that mean you want Lex in every film? Or always getting away with things?

Angeloz

[Matt]

Does that mean you want Lex in every film? Or always getting away with things?

Angeloz

It means what I said. I don't want Luthor to be reduced to cowering behind a ring.

[Angeloz]

What he can't be up to no good too?

Angeloz

[Matt]

What he can't be up to no good too?

Angeloz

No, its not that. You're missing the point entirely.

[Angeloz]

So it wasn't pointless? ;) :oldrazz:

Angeloz

[Matt]

So it wasn't pointless? ;) :oldrazz:

Angeloz

:whatever:

[Angeloz]

I'm feeling silly whereas before I wasn't so much.

Angeloz

[manofsteel4life]

I'm feeling silly whereas before I wasn't so much.

Angeloz
that's what happens when there's nothing to talk about....:yay:

[matthooper]

nothing....he justs needs to bash Singer on something :whatever:


Too funny. I thought you were serious for a second.

[The Man of Steel]

Red- in the comics, random effects; in "Smallville", makes Clark nasty

[That'ssuper!]

Red was used by Darkseid in S:TAS to make him betray humanity. Why not use something like that?

[DavidTyler]

How about flannel kryptonite which would make him want to listen only to Pearl Jam and Nirvana?

How about Lemon scented Yellow kryptonite to help him remove soap scum?

And what Kryptonite arsenal would be complete without Deep Woods Kryptonite for that great outdoors smell indoors.

[Weadazoid]

In the comics didn't clear or ...yellow Kryptonite have use vs the Horrible cave dwelling looking monstrosities that actually had Superman pretty much liked.

Basically it took awya there powers. They were big an ugly two of them they had white fur I think... I think. They pretty much kicked Supermans but before someone whipped out the other colored Kryptonite.

[Showtime]

Kryptonite? Should it be used in a sequel or reboot? What other methods are there to take down Superman?

[Matt]

Its not Kryptonite that is the problem. It is the way you use Kryptonite. We don't need to see Lex use Kryptonite to disable Superman so he can go on with his nefarious scheme. What we need is a creative usage of it. Like Metallo.

[SatEL]

Kryptonite? Should it be used in a sequel or reboot? What other methods are there to take down Superman?

Well you could introduce a villian on a similair level to Supes physically but in a reboot kryptonite will eventually have to make it's introduction. And I would hate to see all the diffrent coloured kryptonite on film, I have had enough of those on smallville I dont want them in a Superman film. Just have standard kryptonite and move on from that.

[aia]

I liked the stabbing of krytonite. But i hope they don't use it in the next movie. Its over done.

[mjbull23]

Kryptonite? Should it be used in a sequel or reboot? What other methods are there to take down Superman?

We could always give Batman sufficient prep time.

[Timstuff]

I say, use Metallo because then you can have Kryptonite while still having a super villain.

[VenomsMom]

I dont think you should lose it altogether but it should not play as prominent as a role as it did in SR. For cryin out loud it should have been put in the credits for a supporting role.

[Lighthouse]

Its not Kryptonite that is the problem. It is the way you use Kryptonite. We don't need to see Lex use Kryptonite to disable Superman so he can go on with his nefarious scheme. What we need is a creative usage of it. Like Metallo.

Or they could just take it seriously. I find it kind of funny that out of every incarnation of Superman in film or TV, the one that used kryptonite the best way was Lois & Clark. Not only did it nearly kill him, but it also weakened him severely afterwards. You actually felt like the stuff was lethal to Superman, instead of just making him lie down and grunt.

[M.O.Steel]

i thought they started out doing a good job with it in smallville.

i say keep it, and use it as a weapon. pistol, missles, cyborgs, whatever.

i think a small piece like a bullet to the heart is more powerful than creating a giant land mass made of kryptonite. the scene where he got stabbed with it was so well done, the rest was terrible tho.

[Ultraman Nexus]

Lose it. No K variants either.

There needs to be something more special to see on the big screen than just Superman writhing on the ground while a bald guy in a business suit holds a rock over him. The variants would only get you a more sensical and slightly more interesting version of the Superman III scenario.

Don't get me wrong, I don't even mind Kryptonite as an idea but especially coming off of both SR and Smallville, the K rock needs a rest. Big time.

[Superman Prime]

^ I agree.

[afan]

ditto.

[GreenKToo]

It would be kinda hard to not have ''K'' in it, just like it would be hard to not have Luthor.
However, I do think its use should be kept to a minimum. Maybe just mention it or something but not have it as the main means to defeat Superman.

[Ultraman Nexus]

It would be kinda hard to not have ''K'' in it, just like it would be hard to not have Luthor.
However, I do think its use should be kept to a minimum. Maybe just mention it or something but not have it as the main means to defeat Superman.

Honestly, Luthor needs a rest about as much as the Krytonite does. I know Luthor is his main villain and everything, I even like Luthor but in the context of Superman movies that's the only guy besides Zod he ever gets to go against. So for movie audiences it's been a bald guy in a business suit and a guy with power that are exactly like Supermans. They're needs to be some changing up here.

Unless you want to count the oh-so awesome Ross the Boss or Nuclear Man. :whatever:

[GreenKToo]

I'd like to see Luthor, just not as the main villain. That should belong to Brainiac. Imagine Superman and Brainiac slugging it out on the streets of Metropolis and Luthor watching from above in Lex-Corp tower, smirking.

[Superman Prime]

Or Darkseid. The plot of the film could be that Darkseid is bent on making earth a "planet in his own image."

[GreenKToo]

As long as its not Zod or nuclear man, i'm good.
Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday, etc, thats the ticket.

[Superman Prime]

Exactly.

I heard a rumor that Singer wanted to bring Zod in for the SR sequel.

[GreenKToo]

Exactly.

I heard a rumor that Singer wanted to bring Zod in for the SR sequel.
The writers (D & H) pitched Darkseid for the sequel but wb didnt go for it. At least thats what I heard anyway.

[SuperDaniel]

Use it. Just as long as it not to create a continent or something as stupid as that.

[Timstuff]

Exactly.

I heard a rumor that Singer wanted to bring Zod in for the SR sequel.

More proof that Singer didn't know what the crap he was doing unless he saw it in one of the Donner films.

[The Guard]

Use it, but use it as more than a rock that weakens/changes Superman. More needs to be explored about Kryptonite's relevance. The Green Death and whatnot.