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GNR
10-31-2006, 08:05 AM
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=89476

yawn.
Bishop2
10-31-2006, 09:02 AM
This is the single greatest crossover idea since Batman vs. Predator was delivered to us by god.

I'm already pissing myself in anticipation.
Max J Power
10-31-2006, 09:55 AM
Sounds fun.
Doombringer
10-31-2006, 10:09 AM
AoD was a hilarious flick. But thats it. I just dont understand the big deal with this guy Ash. First they wanted him to go against Freddy and Jason in the FvsJ sequel (thank Christ Almighty that fell through) now they want him to battle undead Marvel superheroes. Hes invading all my mother-****ing hobbies, horror and comics. Theres just no way in any hell he could survive any of these encounters. Freddy and Jason would have realistically destroyed him in 2 seconds, the Jason would have destroyed Freddy realisitcally in 2 seconds. And against the heroes? Its rigoddamndiculous, thats what it is....

But it should be a hoot.
Specter313
10-31-2006, 10:51 AM
http://www.newsarama.com/dynamitenew/Mvl_AoD/AOD2MarvelZombies.jpg
Bishop2
10-31-2006, 10:52 AM
AoD was a hilarious flick. But thats it. I just dont understand the big deal with this guy Ash. First they wanted him to go against Freddy and Jason in the FvsJ sequel (thank Christ Almighty that fell through) now they want him to battle undead Marvel superheroes. Hes invading all my mother-****ing hobbies, horror and comics. Theres just no way in any hell he could survive any of these encounters. Freddy and Jason would have realistically destroyed him in 2 seconds, the Jason would have destroyed Freddy realisitcally in 2 seconds. And against the heroes? Its rigoddamndiculous, thats what it is....

But it should be a hoot.

Ash shouldn't realistically have survived any of the Evil Dead movies. But somehow he does. That's what's so great about him. He fights beasts that are bigger, stronger and loaded with mystical power... and wins through a combination of fighting skill and stupid luck.

Frankly, I can't see how Jason would stand any chance against him, because one of Ash's greatest strengths is chopping anything that moves slower than him to pieces. Freddy would be quite another matter, though.
Bishop2
10-31-2006, 10:54 AM
http://www.newsarama.com/dynamitenew/Mvl_AoD/AOD2MarvelZombies.jpg

They misspelled "dessert."

Also: Beast is Sausage! :woot:
Kable24
10-31-2006, 10:54 AM
oh I am definitely getting this.
jaydawg
10-31-2006, 10:59 AM
This is the single greatest crossover idea since Batman vs. Predator was delivered to us by god.

I'm already pissing myself in anticipation.
You..... liked Batman vs Predator?
Bishop2
10-31-2006, 11:03 AM
You..... liked Batman vs Predator?

Most people did. It was a huge hit, a top-selling trade for a decade and spawned a huge sea of imitators as well as two sequels.

So yes, of course.
KevanG
10-31-2006, 11:30 AM
O.o ... well, I liked Marvel Zombies and I like the Evil dead/Army of Darkness movies. I suppose it will either be a hit or miss... Either way I'M BUYING IT :D
Doombringer
10-31-2006, 11:45 AM
Frankly, I can't see how Jason would stand any chance against him, because one of Ash's greatest strengths is chopping anything that moves slower than him to pieces. Freddy would be quite another matter, though.

Oh boy you dont want to go the slasher route with me. Especially with Jason Voorhees. Have you even watched any of the Friday the 13th movies? He cant be killed, thats his main "power". More so than Michael Myers, Freddy, or any of the slashers. Not to mention over time he can heal lost or damaged tissue when hes alive and walking about (not when hes incapacitated ala part 6-7 at the bottom of the lake). Watch Jason goes to Hell. He gets shot atleast 250+ times by a swat team with various claiber bullets and shells, then immediatly after blown to pieces, and he still lives through body hopping his soul. This is just a fraction of what hes been through. You want more detailed examples from prt 2-X let me know. Ash would die in literally 1.5 seconds. A shotgun or chainsaw? You ****ing nuts, that wouldnt do jack to Voorhees but piss him off. If your judging Voorhees by his bastardization in Freddy vs Jason, you are gravely mistaken to the real Jason. This is why i DISPISE FvsJ, cause that was not Jason.
Bishop2
10-31-2006, 12:23 PM
Oh boy you dont want to go the slasher route with me. Especially with Jason Voorhees. Have you even watched any of the Friday the 13th movies? He cant be killed, thats his main "power". More so than Michael Myers, Freddy, or any of the slashers. Not to mention over time he can heal lost or damaged tissue when hes alive and walking about (not when hes incapacitated ala part 6-7 at the bottom of the lake). Watch Jason goes to Hell. He gets shot atleast 250+ times by a swat team with various claiber bullets and shells, then immediatly after blown to pieces, and he still lives through body hopping his soul. This is just a fraction of what hes been through. You want more detailed examples from prt 2-X let me know. Ash would die in literally 1.5 seconds. A shotgun or chainsaw? You ****ing nuts, that wouldnt do jack to Voorhees but piss him off. If your judging Voorhees by his bastardization in Freddy vs Jason, you are gravely mistaken to the real Jason. This is why i DISPISE FvsJ, cause that was not Jason.

I've seen F13 1 through 3, part of 6 and then Jason X and FvJ. I can't say I actually liked most of them, but even I was able to tell that the Jason in FvJ was more like Michael Myers than he was like Jason.

But I honestly think that a chainsaw is the ultimate weapon against a Michael Myers or a Jason Voorhees. When's the last time someone tried to cut these dude's heads off? The only time it happened, Halloween: Resurrection decided to retcon it. Cut off the head and they'll go down, I figure.
Purple Man
10-31-2006, 12:38 PM
Stop using the world realistically when talking about supernatural slasher films!

Do you even look at the words you're typing? Realistically Jason Voorhees and Freddy Krueger are guys in masks who get paid to pretend to kill people.

Realistically, none of it is real. So who cares if a studio wants to throw Ash into the mix. His clever wit and chainsaw hand mean money in the bank.
wolvie2020
10-31-2006, 12:43 PM
AoD was a hilarious flick. But thats it. I just dont understand the big deal with this guy Ash. First they wanted him to go against Freddy and Jason in the FvsJ sequel (thank Christ Almighty that fell through) now they want him to battle undead Marvel superheroes. Hes invading all my mother-****ing hobbies, horror and comics. Theres just no way in any hell he could survive any of these encounters. Freddy and Jason would have realistically destroyed him in 2 seconds, the Jason would have destroyed Freddy realisitcally in 2 seconds. And against the heroes? Its rigoddamndiculous, thats what it is....

But it should be a hoot.

Actually, all AoD fans know that was by far the weakest of the 3 films. Evil Dead 2 ruled. Why should he be in them?? 'Cause we saw in Evil Dead 2, Ashe's charcter really shone, and Bruce's acting ruled in that one.

The fact that he's such an idiot, and the ridiculousness of every story, is what makes Ash such a great character.
wolvie2020
10-31-2006, 12:45 PM
This is pretty much a dream come true for me... :):):):):):)
fifthfiend
10-31-2006, 12:47 PM
On the one hand, this is starting to feel a little overdone.

On the other hand, if this actually involves Ash picking Wolverine to pieces with a chainsaw, then consider me sold.
Bishop2
10-31-2006, 12:47 PM
Actually, all AoD fans know that was by far the weakest of the 3 films.

No they don't. That's just your opinion.

To me, Evil Dead 2 is easily the weakest. The first is a great horror flick, AOD is a great comedy. ED2 isn't great horror OR comedy.
Marcdachamp
10-31-2006, 01:07 PM
The problem with cross-overs is that they often make no sense. "Hey, let's team Archie with the Punisher!"

This is one that not only makes sense, it's also pretty damn cool. I've never actually seen an Evil Dead, but the concept is bloody brilliant. I loved marvel Zombies, so I'm all over this.
LouFerignoDemon
10-31-2006, 01:08 PM
The only way I would buy this, would be if I woke up tomorrow, and they find the Loch Ness monster making the beasts with two backs with Sasquatch. That is the ONLY way.

Honestly. Both were good in their own right. And while ice cream and soy sauce are good in their own rights, they don't go good together. But if they DO make this crossover happen, I just hope Ash is killed quickly by makeshift hammer Thor.
Kool-Aid
10-31-2006, 01:10 PM
Wolverine's hair style is so stupid!!!!
LouFerignoDemon
10-31-2006, 01:17 PM
No, Wolverine just sucks.
Purple Man
10-31-2006, 01:20 PM
Damn, after totally schooling it in the Sentry debate, Gluon really fell apart here.

Ash is badass
Wolverine is badass
Zombies are badass

Sounds like a badass book to me. If you don't like it don't bother whining about it, because no one cares when you complain about popular characters.

And one last bit of advice

"Shop smart, shop S-mart...bub" *sniktsnikt*
LouFerignoDemon
10-31-2006, 01:27 PM
I didn't fall apart. It's just a generally bad idea. These are two worlds that could never mix. It would be like having a crossover of Y the Last Man and Marvel 1602. It just wouldn't make sense, and wouldn't really contribute to much.

And no, Wolverine is NOT a badass. Quite the opposite. He's now an attention whore. And I complain here, there, everywhere. And, as long as it doesn't detract from the argument itself, I will complain here.
Purple Man
10-31-2006, 01:33 PM
Point taken

And here is how you're wrong.

Think of Army of Darkness. What right did Ash have to go back into the Dark Ages? Is it really that big of a leap in logic that he would be sent into some other sort of hellish world?

And on Wolverine, he is not the problem, he is a badass through and through. It's the writers that overuse him. With your logic, Spider-Man, Superman and Batman aren't good characters either because of their amount of exposure.

You have the right to argue all you want, just try and think things through before you announce your dislike for a popular character, bub.
LouFerignoDemon
10-31-2006, 01:40 PM
Point taken

And here is how you're wrong.

Think of Army of Darkness. What right did Ash have to go back into the Dark Ages? Is it really that big of a leap in logic that he would be sent into some other sort of hellish world?

And on Wolverine, he is not the problem, he is a badass through and through. It's the writers that overuse him. With your logic, Spider-Man, Superman and Batman aren't good characters either because of their amount of exposure.

You have the right to argue all you want, just try and think things through before you announce your dislike for a popular character, bub.

It wouldn't be logic. A thought pattern would be the more accurate way to represent what I've said. Logic means I looked at it without bias, and came a conclusion based on findings. I hate how people say, "by that logic" without thinking it through. I never even gave a logical basis for my finding other than "I see Wolverine everywhere" which immediately implies personal bias over logic.

And the only decent character out of the three others represented to me, is Spider-Man, as I don't really enjoy the other two.

And you have the right literature, and attempt to criticize me, but if you're GOING to do that, at least think through what you're going to say to me from more points of view other than your own.
Doombringer
10-31-2006, 01:50 PM
Mistress Glu you sound like an android :woot:
Bishop2
10-31-2006, 01:53 PM
The problem with cross-overs is that they often make no sense. "Hey, let's team Archie with the Punisher!"

God, that was such a great crossover. A hilarious concept on paper, and in execution it somehow managed to stay true to all the characters involved. Great stuff.
WOLVERINE25TH
10-31-2006, 02:04 PM
I just hope it's better than the bastardization my favorite franchise has gone through in its own comics.
Doombringer
10-31-2006, 02:13 PM
I've seen F13 1 through 3, part of 6 and then Jason X and FvJ. I can't say I actually liked most of them, but even I was able to tell that the Jason in FvJ was more like Michael Myers than he was like Jason.

Dont blame the character for the sometime ****ty stories they're placed in. Jason himself is awesome, the FR13th series is iffy ill be honest. But is the Halloween series is any better, aside from the 1st two? 4-Ressurection were garbage (actually H20 was ok). ANOES same thing, only 1, 3 and 7 were good or decent. Slasher movies are known for the cheesy-ness factor, thats why i love em. Evil Dead, the original, was the only noteworthy one. AoD i consider a comedy compared to the original's atmosphere. Evil Dead 2 was garbage, just a re-hash of 1.

But I honestly think that a chainsaw is the ultimate weapon against a Michael Myers or a Jason Voorhees. When's the last time someone tried to cut these dude's heads off? The only time it happened, Halloween: Resurrection decided to retcon it. Cut off the head and they'll go down, I figure.

Nope. Like I said, watch Jason Goes to Hell. If you have a rational thought pattern you would agree that being blown to pieces is a tad more severe that just being decapitated. Jason survived and was reborn. Myers, although pure evil, is more on the "human" side. Yes hes marked with the curse of Thorn. Yes he can get shot, stabbed, and take serious damage etc but he more often tries to evade or escape any tremendous life ending damage. Take prt 4, gets shot many times by the towns men and some cops falls down a mine shaft and what happens, he literally crawls for his life before getting the TNT dropped on him. My point is Myers might "die" from decapitation (he actually did in H20 but like you said they reconned it and yet again he "escapes" his death), but Jason certainly will not. Besides what makes you think they will just stand there and let Ash decapitate them. If they were true to character Jason would launch his machete in Ashes gut before he got to close.
Doombringer
10-31-2006, 02:19 PM
Actually, all AoD fans know that was by far the weakest of the 3 films. Evil Dead 2 ruled. Why should he be in them?? 'Cause we saw in Evil Dead 2, Ashe's charcter really shone, and Bruce's acting ruled in that one.

The fact that he's such an idiot, and the ridiculousness of every story, is what makes Ash such a great character.

Well considering that the horror fans ive spoken to completely disregard Evil Dead 2, myself included. So it was a little more serious and grittier, it was basically the same damn movie. The original Evil Dead is still the superior film IMO. Bruce on the other hand is awesome and a funny guy I had the pleasure of meeting him at some horror conventions a while back, but Ash just doesnt mix well when introduced into other realities.
fifthfiend
10-31-2006, 02:24 PM
Point taken

And here is how you're wrong.

Think of Army of Darkness. What right did Ash have to go back into the Dark Ages? Is it really that big of a leap in logic that he would be sent into some other sort of hellish world?

And on Wolverine, he is not the problem, he is a badass through and through. It's the writers that overuse him. With your logic, Spider-Man, Superman and Batman aren't good characters either because of their amount of exposure.

You have the right to argue all you want, just try and think things through before you announce your dislike for a popular character, bub.

Okay, I've thought things through.

... Nope, Wolverine still sucks.
Marcdachamp
10-31-2006, 02:49 PM
God, that was such a great crossover. A hilarious concept on paper, and in execution it somehow managed to stay true to all the characters involved. Great stuff.
I never read it. It just sounded awful.
Darthphere
10-31-2006, 03:06 PM
I love Evil Dead/Army of Darkness and I loved Marvel Zombies, that said, I wont be buying this.
Tropico
10-31-2006, 03:10 PM
I didn't fall apart. It's just a generally bad idea. These are two worlds that could never mix. It would be like having a crossover of Y the Last Man and Marvel 1602. It just wouldn't make sense, and wouldn't really contribute to much.

And no, Wolverine is NOT a badass. Quite the opposite. He's now an attention whore. And I complain here, there, everywhere. And, as long as it doesn't detract from the argument itself, I will complain here.

I do not like Wolverine nor Ashe-ham, Sam I Am.
I do not like them here nor there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like Zom-verine nor Ashe-ham, Sam I Am.:D
deathshead2
10-31-2006, 03:19 PM
Hmm I like AoD I bought the 2 minis and the first 4 issues f the ongoing but quit buying with the artest leaving. Now im getting AoD vs Darkman but only for darkman I like him better. Now I also bought MZ but I don't know if I want to buy these this are not. I guess it depends the amount of comics i'll be buying when it comes out.
yenaled
10-31-2006, 04:35 PM
I might buy this, depends if it is a quiet week when it comes out.
Ultiameagent
11-02-2006, 03:27 AM
Okay I didn't know where to post this since it could fall under the Marvel or the Misc. section but I figured since it was being written by a marvel writer it should be on the marvel board, I just heard about this today on G4 tv's the Feed, I personaly am extremly excited about this I am a huge fan of the Army of Darkness comic and the Marvel Zombies mini series that came out last year, Ash is one of my fav movie hero's ever and I think it would be really interesting to see what happens when he faces the flesh eating versions of everyones fav marvel characters.....but I digress anyway I just wanted to put this up too see if what every one else thought about it??? do you think it's good....bad.....a dumb ass idea or pure genius???? all I know is it has something to do with Ash being casted into the Marvel Zombie univers before the evil fantastic four go into the ultimate marvel univers thanks to again the power of the book of the dead, so tell me what ya think folks.
Fading
11-02-2006, 05:49 AM
This actually happening, or you saying you want this to happen?

If it actually is (going along with it in case it is), then I think it's stupid. Don't get me wrong, Army of Darkness is a great movie and watched it many many times. Marvel Zombies was an entertaining book too, np with it. It's just that their so different. The Marvel Zombies took down the Silver Surfer of their universe, Ash no matter how badass is still just human. If it really is happening, then Marvel needs to cut back on this crap lol, nothing personal, it's just first they do a crossover with a soap opera, now movie hero's :(. This is the kind of thing that can make Marvel look campy and desperate to branch out, and hurt Ash's reputation as a badass in the eyes of anyone who reads it and likes him.

(If this is just you posing a hypothetical, then what I said above minus the things about me worried about reputations of them and all)
WOLVERINE25TH
11-02-2006, 08:45 AM
It's happenin', and there's already a thread on this.
Artistsean
11-02-2006, 10:05 AM
I liked Army of Darkness, but I couldn't even start to get into Marvel Zombies. I couldn't get past the art on the covers. WAY too grotesque, I preffer zombies I can look at.
I only looked inside because the plot was similar to an animated short idea I had, similar but not the same, and I didn't really like it. I don't know.
So do you guys really like Marvel Zombies? Whats so apealing about it?
WOLVERINE25TH
11-02-2006, 10:09 AM
Too...grotesque...? Dude, they're ZOMBIES. What th' hell else ya want them to be, cute and cuddly?!

And I liked th' series 'cause it was a good mix of creativity an' dark humor. Much along the same vein of AoD.
wolvie2020
11-02-2006, 10:10 AM
Too...grotesque...? Dude, they're ZOMBIES. What th' hell else ya want them to be, cute and cuddly?!

And I liked th' series 'cause it was a good mix of creativity an' dark humor. Much along the same vein of AoD.

I think you hit the nail on the head there really...
PhotoJones
11-02-2006, 10:58 AM
This actually happening, or you saying you want this to happen?

If it actually is (going along with it in case it is), then I think it's stupid. Don't get me wrong, Army of Darkness is a great movie and watched it many many times. Marvel Zombies was an entertaining book too, np with it. It's just that their so different. The Marvel Zombies took down the Silver Surfer of their universe, Ash no matter how badass is still just human. If it really is happening, then Marvel needs to cut back on this crap lol, nothing personal, it's just first they do a crossover with a soap opera, now movie hero's :(. This is the kind of thing that can make Marvel look campy and desperate to branch out, and hurt Ash's reputation as a badass in the eyes of anyone who reads it and likes him.

(If this is just you posing a hypothetical, then what I said above minus the things about me worried about reputations of them and all)

jesus christ.

it's a damn comic book. made for FUN. are you saying that in order for you to enjoy something, it has to make sense? if so, why are you reading comics?
WOLVERINE25TH
11-02-2006, 11:13 AM
Seriously. A stupid cross over would be Power Rangers, Sesame Street and Marvel Zombies. At least Ash actually fights armies of th' undead.
Horrorfan
11-02-2006, 11:15 AM
I'm interested in how it turns out at the very least. I love Marvel, I love zombies, and find Ash a moderately interesting character, so I'll check it out before I dimiss it.


I also agree that you can't have zombies that arent grotesque because of the very nature of them. And marvel zombies was a fun, dark humourous little title written by one of the finest writers around
WompuM
11-02-2006, 11:16 AM
Good. Bad. He's the one with the gun.
wobbly
11-02-2006, 11:29 AM
I dont know if this related but I saw this recently on the net:

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/623/dofpzombeg1.jpg
DarkHellRider
11-02-2006, 11:36 AM
In the immortal words of ash "Come Get Some"
http://www.8ung.at/filminfo/pictures/creme/ed2.jpg

This sounds a little out there but if it has ash and marvel in it I'll read it just because
WOLVERINE25TH
11-02-2006, 11:57 AM
Groovy.
Artistsean
11-02-2006, 03:08 PM
Its the amount of decay and rotting flash hanging off of them that I didn't like. And I wasn't expecting anything else, I was only saying that that is why I didn't read it.
What I was asking was, besides the art (which is good but too gory for my taste), besides the art is the writing good?
KingOfDreams
11-02-2006, 03:14 PM
Too...grotesque...? Dude, they're ZOMBIES. What th' hell else ya want them to be, cute and cuddly?!

You beat me too it. Those were some of the best comic covers I've ever seen.
KingOfDreams
11-02-2006, 03:15 PM
What I was asking was, besides the art (which is good but too gory for my taste), besides the art is the writing good?

Yes. It's Kirkman after all.
Sparta*
11-02-2006, 03:47 PM
That picture is freakin' awesome!
GuywiththeGun
11-02-2006, 04:29 PM
This is the greatest idea in the history of anything. I am so there.

Who are they gonna let Ash kill?

What kickass one-liners will he say?

Civil What?

I wanted them to do a Punisher vs Marvel Zombies thing, so we can finally see someone kicking those damn zombies asses (they always win! Why??), but this is soooooo much better.

Ash will win, and then lose somehow. Just like in the Evil Dead series. He'll probably be right at the feet of victory, of saving the entire world, and then he'll make some horrible mistake that makes everything worse.
Venom160
11-02-2006, 04:33 PM
more zombie goodness. :up:
Iambaytor
11-03-2006, 06:30 PM
For those of you who are saying this is a stupid gimmick to make money, then ask yourself, "Wasn't zombie versions of Marvel superheroes a bit gimmicky?"
TheCorpulent1
11-03-2006, 07:20 PM
Of course it was. That's why I didn't read that anymore than I'm going to read this. :up:
Iambaytor
11-03-2006, 07:23 PM
In other words rather than making an informed decision you've decided to hate it without actually knowing anything other than the premise? I'll admit I thought Marvel Zombies was the stupidest thing ever until I actually read it.

As Jesus once said, "Don't knock it till you try it, bro."
Darthphere
11-03-2006, 07:37 PM
Dumbest post ever.
Iambaytor
11-03-2006, 07:39 PM
Allright... thanks for the input... I guess... Seriously though, most of the people ragging on this are doing it for stupid reasons. At least READ it before you call it the stupidest thing ever.
Darthphere
11-03-2006, 07:40 PM
Why would I waste my money on something I know im not going to like? Let me ask you, did you like White Chicks?
Bishop2
11-03-2006, 08:23 PM
In other words rather than making an informed decision you've decided to hate it without actually knowing anything other than the premise? I'll admit I thought Marvel Zombies was the stupidest thing ever until I actually read it.

As Jesus once said, "Don't knock it till you try it, bro."

I'll agree with this. I didn't read Marvel Zombies, because it seemed pretty gimmicky. But I also won't mock it or diss on those who liked it. I hear it was pretty well written. And maybe it is. I'm not going to judge it without reading it. It wouldn't be fair to do so.
Bishop2
11-03-2006, 08:25 PM
I never read it. It just sounded awful.

You're in luck. You can read The Punisher Meets Archie for free online.

http://www.techknight.com/gallery/punisherarchie?page=1
Iambaytor
11-03-2006, 08:25 PM
Why would I waste my money on something I know im not going to like? Let me ask you, did you like White Chicks?

No I didn't, but I actually WATCHED it. I'm sure you can borrow it from a friend, unless you don't have friends, but if that's the case then you have a bigger problem than not reading Marvel zombies.