News for the WOLVERINE movie

[javon]

October 30, 2006 - Slowly but surely, Wolverine is coming together. According to star and producer Hugh Jackman, if all goes to plan, fans can look forward to seeing Wolvie in his first solo, big screen adventure in late spring of 2008.

"That's kind of what we're looking at right now," Jackman tells IGN. "A summer release would be great though. Perhaps that's possible. But some things still need to fall into place."

The first element that needs to fall into place is the screenplay. And the word from Jackman is screenwriter David Benioff "has delivered, big time. We now have the final script, the final draft, which I absolutely love. For me, it's the most superior of them all. I know the fans are going to go crazy for it."

Jackman and his producing partners inquired with a few screenwriters and considered story proposals. Inevitably, they were sold by Benihoff's knowledge of X-Men (http://movies.ign.com/articles/742/742513p1.html#) lore and enthusiasm for the Wolverine movie (http://movies.ign.com/articles/742/742513p1.html#).


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Hugh Jackman as Wolverine in X-Men: The Last Stand



"Here's a guy who's this amazing writer, probably one of the hottest writers going in town; Spielberg and everyone are after him," says Jackman. "But he was beating down our door to make this movie because he's the most passionate Wolverine fan. He's followed all of the books since he was 9-years-old. For us, it's one of those rare combinations where you have a writer who has all these Oscar-winning directors wanting to work with and he's like, 'I want to do Wolverine!'"

As Jackman was working on The Prestige and other projects, he stayed in periodic contact with Beinhoff as he wrote the script.

"With someone like David, you mostly let him do his thing and he comes back with the script," he says. "He'd deliver a draft, we'd sit down together and talk about it. And I'd let him know what I think. If I think so, I'll say 'It's fantastic.' Or, 'We may have to go in this direction.' Or, 'What about this?' He's very collaborative."

Having played Wolverine for three films, Jackman says he was able to bring his unique perspective to the script.

"For better or worse, I've played the role for three movies so it's a character that I know. I feel like I know what I want to achieve with the film, but David has been very collaborative, and I'm not shy in telling him what I think. He'll say I disagree with you or whatever. But it's been a really terrific process so far."


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What Jackman wants for Wolverine is this: "I don't want the film to appear at all like X-Men 4 in disguise. I want it to feel like a very fresh, whole new character piece. I want it to be a character movie. And by the end of the movie, I want it to be that you definitely knew who this guy was. Cool action, great characters, but ultimately that you totally know who Wolverine is. Like Mad Max and Dirty Harry. Characters I loved. He's a good guy, but he's not a nice guy. He's just the guy you want on your side. [David] really got that. He's one of the best character writers in Hollywood. He totally got it."

The next essential element is working Wolverine into Jackman's schedule. As the star and producer, he knows it will be a huge time commitment - probably three to four months of photography, some of which may take place in Australia, then considerable post-production.

"I'm shooting a movie with Baz Luhrmann and Nicole Kidman next year in Australia, and then we plan to do Wolverine after that."

And let's not forget about a director. "That's our next goal," says Jackman. "Now we have to find a director, which we're looking for now. If I see you guys maybe in about a month, I might be able to let you know who the director is. We're close."


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Sounds pretty good overall, especially since they don't wanna go into a X4 disguise :woot: .

[chaseter]

^Wrong forum bub.

[javon]

Oops, forgot about that. I suppose a mod will move it, or i'll just PM LS.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

This script is the best of them all?

Didn't they say the same thing about X-Men: The Last Stand?

I know you're promoting this and all, Hugh, but do you really expect the fanbase to think that a SOLO film can possibly be the "best of the bunch" over 3 team films?

Sorry.

[gambitfire]

IT'S STILL THE WRONG FORUM!!!!

lol :p

I dunno but Hugh seems like a nice guy but he's so naive when it comes to promoting and "how the fans will feel". I suppose ppl in hollywood are fed good crap to speak like that.

[javon]

<to GambitFire>Thats just the thing they did with X3. They said ''Fans will be satisfied". And the movie ended up not being fully developed at all. Fortunalety, I'm okay with seeing that happen to the Wolverine film :woot: .J/K I won't take my anger out on his movie because he was the some-what lead in all 3 movies.

[chaseter]

I think the Wolverine movie has a great chance to be awesome. Maybe focusing on a few characters instead of 40...TLS...it will be better. I love Wolverine and if they get his character right...ala before the trilogy...then I think it has a chance to be better than the lot of them.

[javon]

I wonder if that will do better than SpiderMan 3? Hell, half of the reason the X-men movie franchise did good was becauseof Wolverine, his solo movie is gonna rock (in cash) like hell.

[gambitfire]

No offense to Wolverine BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT IT COULD EVER DO BETTER THAN SM3

Wolverine helped X-Men but it's not the reason the franchise did good.

IMO.

I think the TAS following more than anything helped it do good, not too mentin the social issue within the story.

[RonStoppablefan]

I'm glad there getting a really good writer for this movie and they said there going to take there time on the movie too. So yah I can't wait for this one.

[gambitfire]

Anyways WRONG FORUM!!! :D

[javon]

No offense to Wolverine BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT IT COULD EVER DO BETTER THAN SM3

Wolverine helped X-Men but it's not the reason the franchise did good.

IMO.

I think the TAS following more than anything helped it do good, not too mentin the social issue within the story.
Oh I know, I was just saying MABE. I can't wait til SM3 makes a fol out of X3..I mean Wolverine :woot: .

[LastSunrise1981]

I wonder if that will do better than SpiderMan 3? Hell, half of the reason the X-men movie franchise did good was becauseof Wolverine, his solo movie is gonna rock (in cash) like hell.



No.

Wolverine will not come near Spidey in terms of numbers. Wolverine(solo) as unique and as dark as his story is, I don't see it really doing that well in the theaters. Simply because as popular as he is, he's not Superman, Spider-Man, or even Batman for instance.

The only way(IMO) to really make a great Wolverine film is to make it Rated R. Because then they can really make it dark, complex, and show Wolverine as part of the Weapon X program, Sabretooth, Omega Red, and Lady Deathstrike possibly.

But seriously, I'm bored of Wolverine and if I'm not mistaken, Batman Begins: The Dark Knight comes out in 2008. I don't see Wolverine putting up much of a fight in 2008 to be honest.

[danoyse]

I know you're promoting this and all, Hugh, but do you really expect the fanbase to think that a SOLO film can possibly be the "best of the bunch" over 3 team films?

He's the producer as well...what's he supposed to say? It won't be as good as the other three but they'll do the best they can?

This is how people sell movies, folks.

It just keeps coming up because he's out there promoting other the other zillion movies he has coming out (btw, I saw a screening of "Flushed Away" this week--it's funny as hell, Hugh and Ian McKellen are bloody hilarious in it), and interviewers keep asking about it.

This isn't going to be a movie intended to be as big a Spiderman or Batman sequel, it's a smaller movie, smaller budget. They're not rolling this out as *the* comics movie of 2008.

But I am most definitely looking forward to it.

[XCX]

This script is the best of them all?

Didn't they say the same thing about X-Men: The Last Stand?

I know you're promoting this and all, Hugh, but do you really expect the fanbase to think that a SOLO film can possibly be the "best of the bunch" over 3 team films?

Sorry.

I disagree on that Nell. I really do. From an x-men fans perspective all they want to see is team team team. Films often do these type of things to study a character and flesh it out entirely, so from a film perspective this is a very smart move and would be very entertaining, unless its paced like x3 and cramps character development, thus making the whole idea of a spinoff useless :oldrazz:

[gambitfire]

he could say i hope this will be not so much this will be, because that way he doesn't come off as a scam artist :p lol j/k

[Loganbabe]

This script is the best of them all?

Didn't they say the same thing about X-Men: The Last Stand?

I know you're promoting this and all, Hugh, but do you really expect the fanbase to think that a SOLO film can possibly be the "best of the bunch" over 3 team films?
I think you misunderstood, Nell. Hugh didn´t say the Wolverine script was "the most superior of them all" refering to the X-Men movies. He was talking about the scripts Benioff wrote, because the guy wrote like three or four different drafts. So Hugh said the last script was "the best of the bunch", and that they were ready to go on with it. :cwink:

I think Hugh is quite realistic when it comes to comparing Wolverine and X-Men. He knows Wolvie will be a smaller movie, not so much expensive, and will not attract the huge crowd films like Spidey and X-Men attract. It´ll be a grittier movie, even if it´s PG-13 (so I hope). He seems okay with it, and I really don´t give a damn if it won´t have the same box office as SM3 - I know it won´t. I just want a good movie - dark, intriguing, misterious, just like Logan himself.

And, huge crowds or not, wrong forum or not, I can´t wait for it! :woot::up:

[LastSunrise1981]

I sincerely hope it flops that way it'll leave egg on the faces of every single Fox executive. I really don't see a point for spin-off films. Didn't Fox learn anything from Elektra?

[Loganbabe]

I sincerely hope it flops that way it'll leave egg on the faces of every single Fox executive. I really don't see a point for spin-off films. Didn't Fox learn anything from Elektra?
Wolverine has absolutely NO comparison with Elektra, when talking about Marvel characters. He´s WAY more known, as part of the X-Men and solo character.
So don´t try to come with Elektra comparisons just because you hate Wolverine or Fox or whatever...

[Goddessreicho]

There are no words on that script can make that movie not suck. The final knife in the fanbase back is .....PG-13! Yulp. That will totally make it an INO more than non-Selina Kyle did for CINO.

Again, for farther proff of how wrong it will be, look at his movie introduction. Not one element from his cannon past was there. Wait, that's wrong. He was forgot stuff, and got porked from behind with the adamantium.

Thanks to X2, his backround will forever be linked and center chain of religious zealot Styker...oh wait. That is wrong in so many ways. Ugg.

With Marvel pumping out superheroes in every damn venue (THE GUIDING LIGHT...oh god was that terrible, and so was all the not-so-subtle Marvel advertising), with Heroe's too, and the next five years full of superheroes movies, the market will be oversaterated.

Spin offs are a good way annoy people. X4...err I mean Wolverine will take us there. Good Job!

[danoyse]

Wolverine has absolutely NO comparison with Elektra, when talking about Marvel characters. He´s WAY more known, as part of the X-Men and solo character.
So don´t try to come with Elektra comparisons just because you hate Wolverine or Fox or whatever...

Exactly. "Elektra" spunoff from "Daredevil," whose entire domestic box office was less money than X3 made on it's opening weekend alone. It didn't have nearly the following of the X-Men series, and the character isn't nearly as popular.

And I doubt they're spending the kind of money that would bankrupt the studio if it flops.

[LastSunrise1981]

Wolverine has absolutely NO comparison with Elektra, when talking about Marvel characters. He´s WAY more known, as part of the X-Men and solo character.
So don´t try to come with Elektra comparisons just because you hate Wolverine or Fox or whatever...

Elektra IS a popular character as well. To say Elektra isn't well known is a flat out lie from a Logan fanatic who's not familiar with the comics or comic history.

Elektra is one of the main reasons why Daredevil was so great, as great of a character he is, the story between him and Elektra being the badass she is has her own comic and has been popular for the same amount of years as Wolverine has been around. Nice try.

I hate the overexposure of Wolverine and I hate Fox. Don't get mad at me because you love Fox and Wolverine. :yay:

[XCX]

I sincerely hope it flops that way it'll leave egg on the faces of every single Fox executive. I really don't see a point for spin-off films. Didn't Fox learn anything from Elektra?

I sure hope so, then theyll get a spinoff correct. Doesnt mean to throw the whole idea into the trash.

[LastSunrise1981]

Exactly. "Elektra" spunoff from "Daredevil," whose entire domestic box office was less money than X3 made on it's opening weekend alone. It didn't have nearly the following of the X-Men series, and the character isn't nearly as popular.

And I doubt they're spending the kind of money that would bankrupt the studio if it flops.

I advise you to educate yourself on the popularity of Elektra and Daredevil.

To say Elektra and Daredevil don't have the same following as the X-Men series is like saying Batman doesn't have a following. It'll be nice watching Wolverine have its ass handed to it by The Dark Knight though.

[Goddessreicho]

It'll be nice watching Wolverine have its ass handed to it by The Dark Knight though.

:woot::o

Yea, again. I totally cheered in The Prestige when Batman shot Wolverine then set him on fire. Greatest moment ever!

[FireandIce213]

:woot::o

Yea, again. I totally cheered in The Prestige when Batman shot Wolverine then set him on fire. Greatest moment ever!

Dammnit!!!! I highlighted the blacked out part thinking it was some sort of Wolverine spoiler...Anyway damn haha Batman versus Wolverine makes Prestige interesting anyway.

[LastSunrise1981]

:woot::o

Yea, again. I totally cheered in The Prestige when Batman shot Wolverine then set him on fire. Greatest moment ever!

Yes, that was truly an awesome moment.

:woot: :woot: :woot:

How about when Batman made Wolverine fall and break his leg during a magic trick?

[Goddessreicho]

Yes, that was truly an awesome moment.

:woot: :woot: :woot:

How about when Batman made Wolverine fall and break his leg during a magic trick?

CRAAACK!!! I laughed my a$$ off. God, that looked so painful. Muhahaha, BALE, DAMMIT! Go Batman. Omg Batman totally owned that movie. It made me want to go home and watch Little Women all over again.

Lol watching Wolverine die 101 times was awsome. Lol the annoying double didn't die. But seeing him hog tied and dangling from the ceiling was nice. Watching Batman screw with him and take his glory was awsome.

Batman owns with preptime!!! :oldrazz::oldrazz:

Wolverine = Bobby Flay on Throwdown. He can screwup everything with time to prepare.

[Loganbabe]

Elektra IS a popular character as well. To say Elektra isn't well known is a flat out lie from a Logan fanatic who's not familiar with the comics or comic history.
Don´t be obtuse, do you actually read what people with a different opinion from you write? For the 1000000000000000000000000th time, I know the comics, I read "Elektra: Assassin" by Frank Miller when it was first published, I have "Elektra & Wolverine - The Redeemer", I´ve read quite a few Elektra stories, I´m quite familiar with her background, and I maintain that Elektra is nowhere near the popular character Wolverine is. So you´re the one telling lies here, trying to tell people who don´t know the comics that Elektra is as popular as Wolverine. Ha. Try to educate another one instead, oh Great Master of Comics. :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

I hate the overexposure of Wolverine and I hate Fox. Don't get mad at me because you love Fox and Wolverine. :yay:
I couldn´t care less that you hate Fox or Wolverine. But this notion that you´re the one who knows everything about the comics is, excuse-me me the pun, comic. Elektra as popular as Wolverine. Lol.

Yea, again. I totally cheered in ATTENTION SPOILER FOR THE PRESTIGE Greatest moment ever!
Now that was really great! Oh, thank you, thank you VERY MUCH for not saying it was a Prestige spoiler! Really, I can´t thank you enough! :cmad:
See above? I changed your message. Is it really so difficult trying to spoil things for people like this?! :cmad:
It just shows that posters like you and LS really don´t have one ounce of respect for the others. And all this just because some obnoxious Wolverine hatred! :o

[Goddessreicho]

Dammnit!!!! I highlighted the blacked out part thinking it was some sort of Wolverine spoiler...Anyway damn haha Batman versus Wolverine makes Prestige interesting anyway.

Now that was really great! Oh, thank you, thank you VERY MUCH for not saying it was a Prestige spoiler! Really, I can´t thank you enough!
It just shows that posters like you and LS really don´t have one ounce of respect for the others. And all this just because some obnoxious Wolverine hatred!

1.) There were spoiler tags on what Last Sunrise and I were talking about. If want doesn't want to be spoiled then one shouldn't be reading the tags.

2.) The first post on this page talks about how we posting about The Prestige.

Am I sorry...Nope. I was once told that I needed to get a sense of humor around here. So there it is, my funny. Special shout-out to LS1981!

[Mike059jig]

Wolverine movie will probably do Blade #'s maybe even less or maybed hellboy #'s...it might even be a punisher!!!.... but the Dark Knight is gonna wipe the floor with this movie.....WOW is that what happen in the prestige....

Like bale said "Sorry Superman but Batmans the Bad ass!!"

[Loganbabe]

1.) There were spoiler tags on what Last Sunrise and I were talking about. If want doesn't want to be spoiled then one shouldn't be reading the tags.
We were talking about the Wolverine movie, was there any warning that the spoiler was about ANOTHER movie?!? :cmad:

2.) The first post on this page talks about how we posting about The Prestige.
Where? Are you crazy?!?

Am I sorry...Nope. I was once told that I needed to get a sense of humor around here. So there it is, my funny. Special shout-out to LS1981!
Of course you wouldn´t be sorry. Yeah, try to have a sense of humor when someone spoils you about a movie you´ve been particularly trying to avoid spoilers for AGES! :cmad:

[weatherwitch]

We were talking about the Wolverine movie, was there any warning that the spoiler was about ANOTHER movie?!? :cmad:


Where? Are you crazy?!?


Of course you wouldn´t be sorry. Yeah, try to have a sense of humor when someone spoils you about a movie you´ve been particularly trying to avoid spoilers for AGES! :cmad:

Wow. Get a grip--it's only a moooooovie.

And uhm, her post was blacked out. Don't highlight a "spoiler" if you don't want to read a spoiler. For anything. That deflates the hot air of your arguement.

[gambitfire]

OMG BESIDES CHRISTOPHER NOLAN, CRISTIAN BALE, AND SCARLETT JOHANSSON!!! NOW I HAVE ANOTHER GREAT REASON TO WATCH THE PRESTIGE!! :)

I havn't had time though :(

[Loganbabe]

Wow. Get a grip--it's only a moooooovie.
Sorry, but what do you have to do with all this?
Don´t tell me to "get a grip". I don´t care if it´s "only a movie", if I wanted to read Prestige spoilers, I would go to a Prestige/Hugh/or whatever forum and read them, thank you very much.

And uhm, her post was blacked out. Don't highlight a "spoiler" if you don't want to read a spoiler. For anything. That deflates the hot air of your arguement.
For anything like what? Now I should be worried that if I click something marked "spoiler" on an X-Men forum I will read spoilers for any movie, comic book, tv show or whatever in the universe? That´s ridiculous! This is an X-Men forum, The Prestige has NOTHING to do with the X-Men, so I would never expect in a million years to click a spoiler on a discussion about a Wolverine movie and read something about The Prestige! Is it so difficult to understand?
Really, it´s so ridiculous anyway to think that the characters in The Prestige are related to the characters of Batman and Wolverine! :whatever: It´s so ridiculous that I never thought someone would say something about The Prestige when mentioning Batman and Wolverine! :o

[Jan Irisi]

It is inappropriate to be revealing spoilers about projects other than what the particular forum is devoted to, and there have been warnings not to do such things as well.

A simple warning would have been a nice decent thing to do, revealing that it was a spoiler for The Prestige instead of the subject of the thread. As I said, spoilers have been given for other projects here, and it has upset many people after they open a spoiler thinking it was for one thing and discovering it was something else.

It's a courtesy thing.

[danoyse]

I advise you to educate yourself on the popularity of Elektra and Daredevil.

To say Elektra and Daredevil don't have the same following as the X-Men series is like saying Batman doesn't have a following. It'll be nice watching Wolverine have its ass handed to it by The Dark Knight though.

The X-Men trilogy has made more than $1 billion worldwide in tickets sales.

Daredevil alone only grossed roughly $100 million in it's entire domestic run and didn't even get a sequel--just a spinoff that no one saw.

In movieland, that's means X-Men and Wolverine are more popular than Elektra and Daredevil.

[danoyse]

1.) There were spoiler tags on what Last Sunrise and I were talking about. If want doesn't want to be spoiled then one shouldn't be reading the tags.

Yeah, but you didn't say it was a spoiler about "The Prestige."

And wow, first this is a Wolverine thread that doesn't belong in X3 forum, and now it's Prestige thread??

And Loganbabe, don't worry...there are plenty of more spoilers that I WON'T give away about "The Prestige," that the rest of the audience who was able to let go of the Batman/Wolverine thing (honestly, I didn't think of them of either of those characters when I saw it) enjoyed plenty both times I saw it.

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah, but you didn't say it was a spoiler about "The Prestige."

And wow, first this is a Wolverine thread that doesn't belong in X3 forum, and now it's Prestige thread??

And Loganbabe, don't worry...there are plenty of more spoilers that I WON'T give away about "The Prestige," that the rest of the audience who was able to let go of the Batman/Wolverine thing (honestly, I didn't think of them of either of those characters when I saw it) enjoyed plenty both times I saw it.

You only saw it because of your unrealistic fantasy crush on Hugh Jackman. :yay:

Believe it or not, some people have let go of the Batman/Wolverine thing. It's a running joke and will always be a running joke, if you can't grasp that or understand that then that's your problem. :yay:

[danoyse]

You only saw it because of your unrealistic fantasy crush on Hugh Jackman. :yay:

:whatever:

Actually, I saw it because it starred two of my favorite actors, was written and directed the guys who did one of my favorite movies ("Memento"), and because I'd read the original Christopher Priest novel, and saw it a second time because next to "The Departed," it was one of the best movies I've seen all year so far.

And I wouldn't even give away the ending of the book to people who hadn't seen the movie yet, even though it was different.

[LastSunrise1981]

:whatever:

Actually, I saw it because it starred two of my favorite actors, was written and directed the guys who did one of my favorite movies ("Memento"), and because I'd read the original Christopher Priest novel, and saw it a second time because next to "The Departed," it was one of the best movies I've seen all year so far.

And I wouldn't even give away the ending of the book to people who hadn't seen the movie yet, even though it was different.

She didn't have to click on the spoiler, why do you think it was there in the first place? :whatever: She's been her long enough to know that it's a spoiler and if she can't figure that out, then well, that's her problem and her own fault for clicking on it in the first place.

[gambitfire]

This thread SHOULD'NT BE HERE TO BEGIN WITH!!

:)

[chaseter]

No offense to Wolverine BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT IT COULD EVER DO BETTER THAN SM3

Wolverine helped X-Men but it's not the reason the franchise did good.

IMO.

I think the TAS following more than anything helped it do good, not too mentin the social issue within the story.
I agree...the Spidey franchise is the best superhero franchise right now IMO. I think the Wolverine movie will be better than X1 and X3.

[danoyse]

She didn't have to click on the spoiler, why do you think it was there in the first place? :whatever: She's been her long enough to know that it's a spoiler and if she can't figure that out, then well, that's her problem and her own fault for clicking on it in the first place.

But it wasn't an X-Men spoiler. There was no warning that it was Prestige spoiler, and Loganbabe is still waiting for that movie to be released and is trying to avoid spoilers.

Of course, anyone reads spoilers reads them at their own risk, but like Jan said, it's a courtesy thing.

[danoyse]

This thread SHOULD'NT BE HERE TO BEGIN WITH!!

:)

LOL...I can't believe it's still here either!! :oldrazz:

[chaseter]

Elektra IS a popular character as well. To say Elektra isn't well known is a flat out lie from a Logan fanatic who's not familiar with the comics or comic history.

Elektra is one of the main reasons why Daredevil was so great, as great of a character he is, the story between him and Elektra being the badass she is has her own comic and has been popular for the same amount of years as Wolverine has been around. Nice try.

I hate the overexposure of Wolverine and I hate Fox. Don't get mad at me because you love Fox and Wolverine. :yay:
Elektra is not as popular as Wolverine...period. Wolverine is out there and everywhere. He is more games, more merchandise, etc...When was the last time you saw a kid wearing an Elektra outfit for Halloween. Sure Elektra is known and isn't an obscure character like Kangaroo Man. But Wolverine is a more popular character on the whole. To say that Elektra is as or more popular than Wolverine is ridiculous.

Now secondly, is it hard for you to reply to people's posts in a way that doesn't convey a "I'm a pompous jack @ss." Sure your opinion should be considered and heard, but why do you constantly bash people who don't think the way you do? You are one of the few posters on here that are constantly being an *** hole.

[LastSunrise1981]

Elektra is not as popular as Wolverine...period. Wolverine is out there and everywhere. He is more games, more merchandise, etc...When was the last time you saw a kid wearing an Elektra outfit for Halloween. Sure Elektra is known and isn't an obscure character like Kangaroo Man. But Wolverine is a more popular character on the whole. To say that Elektra is as or more popular than Wolverine is ridiculous.

Now secondly, is it hard for you to reply to people's posts in a way that doesn't convey a "I'm a pompous jack @ss." Sure your opinion should be considered and heard, but why do you constantly bash people who don't think the way you do? You are one of the few posters on here that are constantly being an *** hole.

And is it possible for to stop following me into thread starting trouble? I am an *******, deal with it.

I don't bash anyone who doesn't agree with me, I simply expose those who don't have a clear educated knowledge of comics, films, or life in general. Logan Babe and Danoyse know nothing about X-Men comics or comics in general, both have admitted to not caring about the comics and only care about the movies in general.

So before you follow me again into another thread I suggest you think before you try debating me again. You're the one who went into a politics thread and called people jackasses, morons, and losers for speaking against Dubya. :whatever:

On ignore you go.

[Jan Irisi]

But it wasn't an X-Men spoiler. There was no warning that it was Prestige spoiler, and Loganbabe is still waiting for that movie to be released and is trying to avoid spoilers.

Of course, anyone reads spoilers reads them at their own risk, but like Jan said, it's a courtesy thing.

A while ago, spoilers were being revealed about episodes of 24, without warning, in threads that had nothing to do with 24 at all. Admins made posts about showing courtesy about revealing such spoilers, even with spoiler tags. A warning about the content inside the spoiler tags would be a nice thing to do, and it really isn't that hard to do either, is it?

[Goddessreicho]

This thread SHOULD'NT BE HERE TO BEGIN WITH!!

:)


This discussion wouldn't matter if this thread wasn't here to begin with, so yea what ^-- he said, and keeps saying. LOL :heart:

[danoyse]

A while ago, spoilers were being revealed about episodes of 24, without warning, in threads that had nothing to do with 24 at all. Admins made posts about showing courtesy about revealing such spoilers, even with spoiler tags. A warning about the content inside the spoiler tags would be a nice thing to do, and it really isn't that hard to do either, is it?

Exactly. And seeing as how not everyone here lives in the US and sometimes have to wait a little longer for some movies to be released, it's fair to put up spoiler warnings. No one's asking to pull your own teeth out or anything.

I don't think people would be too happy if it were the other way around, and they found a spoiler for something they wanted to see without a warning, right? :cwink:

[CapBeerCino]

Hugh sounds so full of himself. Maybe he's been hanging too much with Brett - I'm surprised he didn't say this is going to be his Oscar movie :o

[flavio_lebeau]

yeah, the "the fans will go crazy" and "we have the best script of all" talk. Pretty old, always lies.

[Loganbabe]

I don't bash anyone who doesn't agree with me,I simply expose those who don't have a clear educated knowledge of comics, films, or life in general.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Really, this statment has to be the funniest thing I´ve read in any forum, ever!
I´ve been posting in foruns for ages, and I´ve talked and discussed with all kinds of people, but I´ve never seen a poster so arrogant and full of himself. Congratulations!
My, now I understand how hard it must be to be you, trying to educate people on the facts of life and...
Bwhuahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Logan Babe and Danoyse know nothing about X-Men comics or comics in general, both have admitted to not caring about the comics and only care about the movies in general.
I have a tip for you. Before you pursue your valuable mission of trying to educate people, you should try to educate yourself first...learning to read is a good start. This is from one of my last posts:
Don´t be obtuse, do you actually read what people with a different opinion from you write? For the 1000000000000000000000005th time, I know the comics, I read "Elektra: Assassin" by Frank Miller when it was first published, I have "Elektra & Wolverine - The Redeemer", I´ve read quite a few Elektra stories, I´m quite familiar with her background, and I maintain that Elektra is nowhere near the popular character Wolverine is.
Of course, learning to read is just the beginning. It helps, but nothing will help you if you choose to be blind to what other people write. :whatever:

Hugh sounds so full of himself. Maybe he's been hanging too much with Brett - I'm surprised he didn't say this is going to be his Oscar movie :o
It would be the greatest thing ever - an actor wining an Oscar for an adventure/fiction kind of movie!
Go Hugh! Be full of yourself as much as you can, make an amazing Wolverine movie and go grab that Oscar! :woot:

[LastSunrise1981]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Really, this statment has to be the funniest thing I´ve read in any forum, ever!
I´ve been posting in foruns for ages, and I´ve talked and discussed with all kinds of people, but I´ve never seen a poster so arrogant and full of himself. Congratulations!
My, now I understand how hard it must be to be you, trying to educate people on the facts of life and...
Bwhuahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!


I have a tip for you. Before you pursue your valuable mission of trying to educate people, you should try to educate yourself first...learning to read is a good start. This is from one of my last posts:

Of course, learning to read is just the beginning. It helps, but nothing will help you if you choose to be blind to what other people write. :whatever:


It would be the greatest thing ever - an actor wining an Oscar for an adventure/fiction kind of movie!
Go Hugh! Be full of yourself as much as you can, make an amazing Wolverine movie and go grab that Oscar! :woot:


Won't happen, so keep dreaming.

If me speaking the truth and exposing the likes of you is arrogant, then so be it. I simply do not care what you think of me since I've already exposed you as being one who doesn't know the comics or comic book history.

In the end you're a Logan fanatic who has an unrealistic fantasy about Hugh Jackman, which applies to Danoyse as well. I enjoy debating with those who understand the comics, know the comics, appreciate the comics, and are intelligent with their debates.

Unfortunately I haven't seen those kinds of debates from you or Danoyse.

Usually it's the typical "HUGH IS HOT!!!" response. :whatever:

[LastSunrise1981]

I can't wait for this film to fail. When it fails the Logan fanatics will make excuses and whine about Hugh being screwed over by Fox, despite X3 being a Logan film and making Logan into Jesus Christ without the beard.

The Wolverine film will flop horribly, as will the Magneto film. Their stories are not going to appeal to the regular movie audience and the regular movie do not care about Wolverine's solo story.

Wolverine isn't Batman, Spider-Man, or Superman. Which will make it even sweeter when Batman: The Dark Knight hands Wolverine a major ass kicking.

[04nbod]

that would highly increase the chances of X4:)
andisn't this in the wrong forum

[danoyse]

If me speaking the truth and exposing the likes of you is arrogant, then so be it. I simply do not care what you think of me since I've already exposed you as being one who doesn't know the comics or comic book history.

In the end you're a Logan fanatic who has an unrealistic fantasy about Hugh Jackman, which applies to Danoyse as well. I enjoy debating with those who understand the comics, know the comics, appreciate the comics, and are intelligent with their debates.

Unfortunately I haven't seen those kinds of debates from you or Danoyse.

Usually it's the typical "HUGH IS HOT!!!" response. :whatever:

You've seen them, you just have no other response than the things you keep making up.

Obviously, someone with a "Cyclops Fans United" sig has the right to start bashing other people for having the audacity to like another character, because it was obviously our fault that your character got the shaft.

I think Loganbabe had backed up plenty of evidence that she reads the comics. I read them too. In fact, it was the first X-Men movie that finally got me to start reading the comics, and I really enjoy them.

Honestly...you're exposing us? What is this, Dateline? No one's come after me with a pitchfork, so maybe no one cares that there are a few Wolverine fans in the room.

Am I supposed to admit with some kind of shame that I'm a Hugh fan as well? I'm not. He's one of my favorite actors. I thought he kicked a** in X-Men. And I saw him on Broadway five times. Hell, he wished me a Happy Birthday once.

So yep, I'm a Wolverine fan, and I will stay a Wolverine fan, thank you very much. And our guy is getting his own movie. Bring it on. :woot:


And by the way...why in god's name is this thread still here???

[LastSunrise1981]

You've seen them, you just have no other response than the things you keep making up.

Obviously, someone with a "Cyclops Fans United" sig has the right to start bashing other people for having the audacity to like another character, because it was obviously our fault that your character got the shaft.

I think Loganbabe had backed up plenty of evidence that she reads the comics. I read them too. In fact, it was the first X-Men movie that finally got me to start reading the comics, and I really enjoy them.

Honestly...you're exposing us? What is this, Dateline? No one's come after me with a pitchfork, so maybe no one cares that there are a few Wolverine fans in the room.

Am I supposed to admit with some kind of shame that I'm a Hugh fan as well? I'm not. He's one of my favorite actors. I thought he kicked a** in X-Men. And I saw him on Broadway five times. Hell, he wished me a Happy Birthday once.

So yep, I'm a Wolverine fan, and I will stay a Wolverine fan, thank you very much. And our guy is getting his own movie. Bring it on. :woot:


And by the way...why in god's name is this thread still here???

His own movie that will flop horribly and will be owned severely by the Batman Begins sequel, so be prepared to cry your little Hugh Jackman eyes out come 2008.

I just find it hilarious how you and Logan babe consider yourselves comic book fans, yet, all you seem to talk about is movie Wolverine and how hot Hugh Jackman is. :whatever:

Cyclops isn't the only X-Men I like. My favorite X-Men characters are Beast, Angel, Jean, Bishop, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Forge, Cyclops, and Rogue. Your theory just got shot to hell right now. Nice try though.

[antonydelfini]

I can't wait for this film to fail. When it fails the Logan fanatics will make excuses and whine about Hugh being screwed over by Fox, despite X3 being a Logan film and making Logan into Jesus Christ without the beard.

The Wolverine film will flop horribly, as will the Magneto film. Their stories are not going to appeal to the regular movie audience and the regular movie do not care about Wolverine's solo story.

Wolverine isn't Batman, Spider-Man, or Superman. Which will make it even sweeter when Batman: The Dark Knight hands Wolverine a major ass kicking.

So much hate for a fictional character, i can't understand. Its psychoticness is creeping me out. Geesh.

[LastSunrise1981]

So much hate for a fictional character, i can't understand. Its psychoticness is creeping me out. Geesh.

Oh, and someone having a unrealistic fantasy crush on celebrity/comic book character isn't creepy either? :whatever:

Oh yeah, single out the guy who merely hates the overexposure of Wolverine. Just so you know no one is forcing you to read my posts.

[Loganbabe]

If me speaking the truth and exposing the likes of you is arrogant, then so be it. I simply do not care what you think of me since I've already exposed you as being one who doesn't know the comics or comic book history.
It keeps getting funnier and funnier. "Exposed". What a great inquisitor the McCarthyism period lost! :woot:

In the end you're a Logan fanatic who has an unrealistic fantasy about Hugh Jackman, which applies to Danoyse as well. I enjoy debating with those who understand the comics, know the comics, appreciate the comics, and are intelligent with their debates.
I don´t see you debating with anyone else, only insulting people. Of course, no one is good enough for the Great Master of Comic Books. :whatever:

Cyclops isn't the only X-Men I like. My favorite X-Men characters are Beast, Angel, Jean, Bishop, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Forge, Cyclops, and Rogue.
My god, you know that many X-Men! Your comics knowledge is really amazing! :wow:

Honestly...you're exposing us? What is this, Dateline? No one's come after me with a pitchfork, so maybe no one cares that there are a few Wolverine fans in the room.
Be worried, danoyse...be very worried. The Spanish Inquisition is coming! :oldrazz:

[LastSunrise1981]

It keeps getting funnier and funnier. "Exposed". What a great inquisitor the McCarthyism period lost! :woot:


I don´t see you debating with anyone else, only insulting people. Of course, no one is good enough for the Great Master of Comic Books. :whatever:


My god, you know that many X-Men! Your comics knowledge is really amazing! :wow:


Be worried, danoyse...be very worried. The Spanish Inquisition is coming! :oldrazz:

Of course there's more, I just named a few. It would be pointless to name pages and pages of my favorite X-Men characters and villains. I'll be blunt, I don't like you or Danoyse. I don't like how you two ruin great debates with those who actually have a great understanding of the comics and how a great film works.

I don't like how anyone who says anything negative about Logan or his overexposure, you two feel the need to take it personal and defend Hugh Jackman as if he's going to marry you as a reward. No one hates Hugh and in fact, I happen to think he's a great guy, but if he saw the kind of fans he has he'd probably be scared to actually even speak with you.

The only thing that's real funny is how you continue to defend Logan as if your life depended on it. :yay:

See you in 2008 when the Wolverine film gets its ass handed to it by the Batman Begins sequel.

[danoyse]

His own movie that will flop horribly and will be owned severely by the Batman Begins sequel, so be prepared to cry your little Hugh Jackman eyes out come 2008.

I just find it hilarious how you and Logan babe consider yourselves comic book fans, yet, all you seem to talk about is movie Wolverine and how hot Hugh Jackman is. :whatever:

No, that's all you talk about. :woot:

Cyclops isn't the only X-Men I like. My favorite X-Men characters are Beast, Angel, Jean, Bishop, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Forge, Cyclops, and Rogue. Your theory just got shot to hell right now. Nice try though.

Good for you.

See, you didn't see me bashing you for liking other characters.

You should try it sometime.

[gambitfire]

So much hate for a fictional character, i can't understand. Its psychoticness is creeping me out. Geesh.

Not hate just an intense dislike. :D

You think this is bad you should check out the comic forum there is a thread called Wolverine sucks.

:p

So it's not just the movie fans.

[04nbod]

everyone is reacting against his popularity- times change-favourites change but marvel is content to shove his down our throats

[flavio_lebeau]

the bottom of the situation was when he magically healed his entire body in seconds after being burnt to a point that only his skeleton remained. Before, he would take days to heal a hurt eye. Now, in three sesonds, there he is again. God, that is lame.

[gambitfire]

Yea it really takes the fun out of the character knowing he can't be destroyed.

[danoyse]

the bottom of the situation was when he magically healed his entire body in seconds after being burnt to a point that only his skeleton remained. Before, he would take days to heal a hurt eye. Now, in three sesonds, there he is again. God, that is lame.

Or when the Incredible Hulk ripped him in half and he dragged himself up a mountain to reattach his legs. And now he's fine.

It always find it odd that, in the comics, the movies, or the animated series, that he can be shot or ripped to shreds and heal in seconds, but then someone clocks him in the head and he's out cold for hours. How'd that happen?? :wow:

It's like the old Superman series, when he'd stand there while someone was firing a gun at him and he'd just smile and let the bullets bounce off. Then the bad guy would run out of bullets and throw the gun at him. And that's when Superman when duck!

That gun might hurt somebody!!! :oldrazz:

[gambitfire]

he ducked?

really i don't remember that, that sounds retarded.

But even that i don't think compares too the things they do with Wolvie.

[danoyse]

he ducked?

really i don't remember that, that sounds retarded.

But even that i don't think compares too the things they do with Wolvie.

Yeah, in the old 50s Superman series...the bullets bouncing off Superman's chest were animated (as good as special FX were back then, anyway), so he could just stand there and let the animated bullets bounce off. But then the villian would throw the actual empty gun...and that George Reeves would have to duck from.

I saw a comedian do a whole spoof on it using clips from the show. It's really funny. :oldrazz:

I've read that Superman writers run into the same problem--Superman is so indestructible that it's been difficult at times to come up with decent villians who actually stand a chance against him.

Wolverine's healing factor, I think, is only limited by whatever fits into the stories at the time, which is why we get these ridiculous scenarios from time to time. I thought it was great when he didn't have his healing factor after Magneto ripped out his adamantium just to see how his character dealt without it.

[gambitfire]

LOL that's hilarious.

Superman Duck!!

[Rac]

I know the fans are going to go crazy for it. Yeah, that's easy. We go apesht if it'll be either good or bad.

[Jan Irisi]

Of course there's more, I just named a few. It would be pointless to name pages and pages of my favorite X-Men characters and villains. I'll be blunt, I don't like you or Danoyse. I don't like how you two ruin great debates with those who actually have a great understanding of the comics and how a great film works.

I don't like how anyone who says anything negative about Logan or his overexposure, you two feel the need to take it personal and defend Hugh Jackman as if he's going to marry you as a reward. No one hates Hugh and in fact, I happen to think he's a great guy, but if he saw the kind of fans he has he'd probably be scared to actually even speak with you.

The only thing that's real funny is how you continue to defend Logan as if your life depended on it. :yay:

See you in 2008 when the Wolverine film gets its ass handed to it by the Batman Begins sequel.

So you have chosen to make it personal? Toss insults around, disresepect someone simply because you disagree with their own personal choices regarding which character they like, actor they like, or their opinions?

They are not the problem here. That much is now perfectly clear.

[TKing]

The Wolverine film will flop horribly, as will the Magneto film. Their stories are not going to appeal to the regular movie audience and the regular movie do not care about Wolverine's solo story.

Can I save this post, just so that when the Wolverine film is a success, I can rub your nose in it? :cwink:

[Horhey]

No offense to Wolverine BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT IT COULD EVER DO BETTER THAN SM3

Wolverine helped X-Men but it's not the reason the franchise did good.

IMO.

I think the TAS following more than anything helped it do good, not too mentin the social issue within the story.


Sorry bub, but without Wolverine X-Men wouldnt of made 80% the money it did. Fox wasnt interested in making an X-Men movie without him.

[TKing]

Sorry bub, but without Wolverine X-Men wouldnt of made 80% the money it did. Fox wasnt interested in making an X-Men movie without him.

Actually, I couldn't disagree more with you here. I think Storm, Cyclops, Rogue and the others could have easily held their own film, only Fox decided to make Wolverine the leading man.

[chaseter]

Actually, I couldn't disagree more with you here. I think Storm, Cyclops, Rogue and the others could have easily held their own film, only Fox decided to make Wolverine the leading man.
But after they saw the phoenomenal success Wolverine/Jackman did in X1...it was Wolverine Wolverine Wolverine after that. I don't think Rogue can hold her own movie nor Storm. Cylcops maybe if they had a better actor. Marsden is great but I don't think he can hold his own film.

[LastSunrise1981]

Can I save this post, just so that when the Wolverine film is a success, I can rub your nose in it? :cwink:

Go ahead and save it. It won't be a huge success. If anything Batman Begins: The Dark Knight will kick its ass and make you Wolverine fanatics cry endlessly.

Trust me, it won't be a success. All of you are expecting to do Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, or Batman Begins numbers. Keep dreaming.

[chaseter]

Go ahead and save it. It won't be a huge success. If anything Batman Begins: The Dark Knight will kick its ass and make you Wolverine fanatics cry endlessly.

Trust me, it won't be a success. All of you are expecting to do Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, or Batman Begins numbers. Keep dreaming.
I will save my judgement on how it will do when I get some cast and plot news. Can Hugh do it alone...no.

[Celestial]

Noone expects Spider-Man numbers of the Wolverine spinoff. The message Jackman's giving is that it will be a smaller more indie-style movie. They're not even aiming for a summer blockbuster release. Sounds good to me.

[danoyse]

Noone expects Spider-Man numbers of the Wolverine spinoff. The message Jackman's giving is that it will be a smaller more indie-style movie. They're not even aiming for a summer blockbuster release. Sounds good to me.

Exactly. He mentioned it during an interview in Premiere recently, and they talked about how as a producer he'd like the atmosphere to be more like an independent movie, a smaller film with less special effects, as opposed to the giant productions that the X-Men movies were.

He compared it to going from shooting X3 to "The Prestige", and how Christopher Nolan also said how thrilled he was to do a smaller film after "Batman Begins." It was something he definitely wants for the Wolverine spinoff, which is possible now that it's a smaller cast and not set as the big summer movie.

A Wolverine spinoff will never have Spiderman numbers, and it's certainly not expected to. As far as Batman *winning* at the box office, who cares? I can't wait for that movie either. I just hope they're both good movies.

[LastSunrise1981]

Exactly. He mentioned it during an interview in Premiere recently, and they talked about how as a producer he'd like the atmosphere to be more like an independent movie, a smaller film with less special effects, as opposed to the giant productions that the X-Men movies were.

He compared it to going from shooting X3 to "The Prestige", and how Christopher Nolan also said how thrilled he was to do a smaller film after "Batman Begins." It was something he definitely wants for the Wolverine spinoff, which is possible now that it's a smaller cast and not set as the big summer movie.

A Wolverine spinoff will never have Spiderman numbers, and it's certainly not expected to. As far as Batman *winning* at the box office, who cares? I can't wait for that movie either. I just hope they're both good movies.

You're going to be in for a very rude awakening. I can't wait to see you, Loganbabe, and TKing spin it when the film becomes an absolute flop. This film is not going to appeal to the casual viewing audience whatsoever.

Just because Logan is part of the X-Men doesn't mean people are going to flock to see his solo film either. I will say that if it was made into a television series instead of a movie it would work.

The problem with Wolverine is his story is too dark, too violent, too complex, and too unique for the casual audience. That's why I say it's going to flop because there isn't an audience. It's hilarious watching you and Loganbabe expect Spider-Man like numbers because it's a smaller budget and it's Wolverine.

Unless Wolverine is done like the Saw films with more character development and darkness, I feel the regular audience will find something else to look at. Only the hardcore fanboys and unrealistic Hugh Jackman fangirls will see this film.

[Loganbabe]

Actually, I couldn't disagree more with you here. I think Storm, Cyclops, Rogue and the others could have easily held their own film, only Fox decided to make Wolverine the leading man.
Fox didn´t "decide" to make Wolverine the leading character out of the blue. He was already hugely popular as an X-Men character, maybe the only one who people who didn´t read the comics recognized. The only one who has kept a solo book non-stop since the 80´s. It would be really crazy to make an X-Men movie with Wolverine not being the leading man.
I think that a Rogue or Storm solo movie in the future is very much impossible, but I´d like to see them again in another X-Men team flick.

A Wolverine spinoff will never have Spiderman numbers, and it's certainly not expected to. As far as Batman *winning* at the box office, who cares? I can't wait for that movie either. I just hope they're both good movies.
That´s what I think too. I wouldn´t care less if Batman wins anything at the box office, if Spidey 3 makes like a billion bucks worldwide...some people are so obsessed with this box office thing, they forget that movies are SO much more than that. I just want Wolverine to be a great movie, I never expected "Lord of the Rings" or whatever numbers for it, that´s just ridiculous...:whatever:
Some of the greatest movies I´ve seen in my life - and I´m talking here also about French, Italian, Japanese, Spanish, Brazilian, etc, movies - were never a smash at the box office. Still they were (and are) amazing, intelligent, intriguing movies. My only hope is that "Wolverine" will be like that, not break box office records. I´ll leave this to PotC 4, 5, 6, 7, 8... :oldrazz:

[Loganbabe]

It's hilarious watching you and Loganbabe expect Spider-Man like numbers because it's a smaller budget and it's Wolverine
:huh:
A Wolverine spinoff will never have Spiderman numbers, and it's certainly not expected to.
I just want Wolverine to be a great movie, I never expected "Lord of the Rings" or whatever numbers for it, that´s just ridiculous...
It seems that the only one expecting it to have SM numbers is you.

[danoyse]

It's hilarious watching you and Loganbabe expect Spider-Man like numbers because it's a smaller budget and it's Wolverine.

The only one saying that is you. Is it fun talking to yourself??

[LastSunrise1981]

The only one saying that is you. Is it fun talking to yourself??

I was here when the film was announced and you, Logan babe, and a host of other Jackman fangirls were predicting Spider-Man like numbers and Lord of the Rings like numbers.

It's quite hysterical watching two females who have an unrealistic/creepy crush on a celebrity/fictional character defend and talk about Logan as if their life depended on it.

As I said, it'll be even sweeter and even funnier watching you spin and make excuses as to why the Wolverine film will be a bigger flop than Gigli and Catwoman.

[LastSunrise1981]

Fox didn´t "decide" to make Wolverine the leading character out of the blue. He was already hugely popular as an X-Men character, maybe the only one who people who didn´t read the comics recognized. The only one who has kept a solo book non-stop since the 80´s. It would be really crazy to make an X-Men movie with Wolverine not being the leading man.
I think that a Rogue or Storm solo movie in the future is very much impossible, but I´d like to see them again in another X-Men team flick.

That´s what I think too. I wouldn´t care less if Batman wins anything at the box office, if Spidey 3 makes like a billion bucks worldwide...some people are so obsessed with this box office thing, they forget that movies are SO much more than that. I just want Wolverine to be a great movie, I never expected "Lord of the Rings" or whatever numbers for it, that´s just ridiculous...:whatever:
Some of the greatest movies I´ve seen in my life - and I´m talking here also about French, Italian, Japanese, Spanish, Brazilian, etc, movies - were never a smash at the box office. Still they were (and are) amazing, intelligent, intriguing movies. My only hope is that "Wolverine" will be like that, not break box office records. I´ll leave this to PotC 4, 5, 6, 7, 8... :oldrazz:

Your lack of comic book knowledge is showing again.

Wolverine is a popular character yes, but last time I checked, he wasn't always front and center in X-Men comic books. You cannot count the Weapon X storylines as their not canon at all, and if I remember correctly, you tried to consider the Weapon X storyline where Jean and Logan are in love as part of the X-Men canon storyline.

Guess what? Nightwing(Dick Grayson) has his own comic book too and has had it for quite sometime, but do you see him getting a solo movie? I'd like to add that Robin(Dick Grayson version) is way more popular than Wolverine.

Just because Wolverine has had his own comic book for years really doesn't mean squat at all.

The problem with your logic is that you've pretty much exposed yourself as a fan who knows NOTHING about the comics or comic book history. The problem with this whole film is the overexposure of Hugh Jackman/Wolverine.

What a lot of you Logan fanatics fail to realize is that anything that is overexposed gets old. X-Men: The Last Stand came out this year obviously and Wolverine comes out in 2008? What makes you think people want to see anything X-Men related two years later? What makes you think this film is going to be the greatest film ever?

Both this film and the Magneto film will flop horribly, it's a shame because they both could be great films if done right. But it's not going to be done right and they're going to flop simply because only the hardcore fanboy base will care to see these films.

[Loganbabe]

The only one saying that is you. Is it fun talking to yourself??
I guess he´s just too enamored with himself to pay attention or consider what other people have to say.
Specially "females". :whatever: Why am I not surprised he would reveal himself as a mysogynistic fanboy? I thought that this idea that women can´t "get" what the comics universe means and only squee like a bunch of brainless idots because they find some guy attractive was oldest as the sun, but oh how wrong I was! At least for The Great Master of the Comics here, it seems women are simply "hysterical Jackman fangirls". :o
I think it´s better to let him enjoy the sound of his own voice for a while...

[Jan Irisi]

*squeals like a girlygirlfangirl*

[Celestial]

What's so bad about being a fangirl?

[Jan Irisi]

What's so bad about being a fangirl?

I always thought that there was nothing wrong with it at all, but now I guess we have been corrected by the all-knowing lastsunrise. :whatever:

If a female expresses a fondness for a male character/actor, then anything they have to say is worthless because they are just living wild fantasies.
(that is unless you express fondness for a male character other than Wolverine of course. Cyclops, Gambit, Iceman etal are all acceptable.)

Thou shalt not state thou likes Wolverine. Thou shalt not show favor to Jackman for thou shall be smote with the Scarlet letter of fangirldom.

*wears Scarlet "W" with pride*

[Celestial]

*pins on Scarlet "W"itch badge*

I want to see the Wolverine spinoff. I want to see more of the man we were introduced to in X1. Movie-Wolverine is too dominant a presence for an ensemble film and it doesn't give him enough time to show us his story so noone's satisfied.

I have hopes that it will be an economically produced film that will deliver a decent profit without huge box office numbers. Jackman seems like a hardworking, organised and frugal man so I'm not expecting bloated excess.

[Horhey]

I was here when the film was announced and you, Logan babe, and a host of other Jackman fangirls were predicting Spider-Man like numbers and Lord of the Rings like numbers.

It's quite hysterical watching two females who have an unrealistic/creepy crush on a celebrity/fictional character defend and talk about Logan as if their life depended on it.

As I said, it'll be even sweeter and even funnier watching you spin and make excuses as to why the Wolverine film will be a bigger flop than Gigli and Catwoman.

Blasphemer!

[Horhey]

I always thought that there was nothing wrong with it at all, but now I guess we have been corrected by the all-knowing lastsunrise. :whatever:

If a female expresses a fondness for a male character/actor, then anything they have to say is worthless because they are just living wild fantasies.
(that is unless you express fondness for a male character other than Wolverine of course. Cyclops, Gambit, Iceman etal are all acceptable.)

Thou shalt not state thou likes Wolverine. Thou shalt not show favor to Jackman for thou shall be smote with the Scarlet letter of fangirldom.

*wears Scarlet "W" with pride*

Just ignore them. They just hate the character so much that they hate you for liking him. They hate all the attention he gets. They are in the extreme minority so let them cry. Apparantly noone is listening.

[gambitfire]

Just ignore them. They just hate the character so much that they hate you for liking him. They hate all the attention he gets. They are in the extreme minority so let them cry. Apparantly noone is listening.

ROTFLMAO!!

ok ;)

we'll see come 2007. :D :)

[Celestial]

ROTFLMAO!!

ok ;)

we'll see come 2007. :D :)

No we won't. You haven't been paying attention. The current target is a Spring 2008 release.

[danoyse]

I was here when the film was announced and you, Logan babe, and a host of other Jackman fangirls were predicting Spider-Man like numbers and Lord of the Rings like numbers.

You weren't here when that happened. You were in that imaginary world you go to when you think those things actually happened.

Because I dare you to find the actual quotes here when either of us said those things.

[danoyse]

Thou shalt not state thou likes Wolverine. Thou shalt not show favor to Jackman for thou shall be smote with the Scarlet letter of fangirldom.

*wears Scarlet "W" with pride*

ROFL!!

*displays Scarlet "W" for all the world to see*

I like being a fangirl. It gives me even more reason to enjoy Wolverine cage matches. :woot:

[LastSunrise1981]

ROFL!!

*displays Scarlet "W" for all the world to see*

I like being a fangirl. It gives me even more reason to enjoy Wolverine cage matches. :woot:

As I said before, there's a time and a place for unrealistic Hugh Jackman/Wolverine fantasies. The SHH! forum isn't that place and it seems you cannot grasp that concept.

The fact that all you care about is how "sexy" Hugh Jackman is and how "sexy" Wolverine is proves you're not a comic book fan nor are you one who is educated in the realm of comics.

It's funny, yet it's sad to see you try to debate with us and expect us to believe you're so much more educated in the realm of X-Men comic history than us. In essence we're better than you and you know it, which is why you're always trying to prove your worth.

Here's to 2008 when Wolverine flops and his teeny bopper fangirl audience is left crying their emo hearts out.

[WeaponXProject]

Jesus, Sunrise, if anything has an opportunity to flop its that clip in the top left corner of each of your posts.

Hell, I say all us Wolvy fans jump in the 007 thread and jump all over how bad Craig will be as Bond.

Wolverine to flop like Gigli, really....really.....last time I checked he had a big fan base and high expectations that most people were happy with during the X trilogy. Hmmmm....I seem to remember hearing everyone's response to the new Bond trailer in theaters..."That's the new Bond. He looks like a queer. Jesus that's gonna be bad." People actually booed that trailer. The last time I saw someone boo a trailer was when Alien vs. Predator came out.

Keep your hopes up Wolvy fans....atleast we got a good cast and writer.:wolverine

[danoyse]

As I said before, there's a time and a place for unrealistic Hugh Jackman/Wolverine fantasies. The SHH! forum isn't that place and it seems you cannot grasp that concept.

Well, seeing as how this is the Wolverine forum... :whatever:

Btw, what are you doing here? Don't you hate this character?

It's funny, yet it's sad to see you try to debate with us and expect us to believe you're so much more educated in the realm of X-Men comic history than us. In essence we're better than you and you know it, which is why you're always trying to prove your worth.

Who's "us"? You seem to be a very silly army of one here.

There's more of us. We're more polite. We have *W* badges.

And you can't have one. :oldrazz:

[TKing]

Go ahead and save it. It won't be a huge success. If anything Batman Begins: The Dark Knight will kick its ass and make you Wolverine fanatics cry endlessly.

Trust me, it won't be a success. All of you are expecting to do Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, or Batman Begins numbers. Keep dreaming.

1. It's the first time I've posted in this thread. I'm not a huge Wolverine fan, I don't particularly like the character so please don't say I am a "fanatic". :)

2. When did I say that? I said it would be a success, I hope it is a success. Of course no X-Men spin-off would be as big as LOTOR, Titanic or other top blockbusters, but I just hope the Wolverine film does moderately okay, so Fox will decide to continue the franchise.

[grey_jeanie]

As I said before, there's a time and a place for unrealistic Hugh Jackman/Wolverine fantasies. The SHH! forum isn't that place and it seems you cannot grasp that concept.

The fact that all you care about is how "sexy" Hugh Jackman is and how "sexy" Wolverine is proves you're not a comic book fan nor are you one who is educated in the realm of comics.

It's funny, yet it's sad to see you try to debate with us and expect us to believe you're so much more educated in the realm of X-Men comic history than us. In essence we're better than you and you know it, which is why you're always trying to prove your worth.

Here's to 2008 when Wolverine flops and his teeny bopper fangirl audience is left crying their emo hearts out.

THAT was harsh

[ShadowBoxing]

What Jackman wants for Wolverine is this: "I don't want the film to appear at all like X-Men 4 in disguise. Then you probably should not have made the first three films all about Wolverine, and his origin.

[Horhey]

Then you probably should not have made the first three films all about Wolverine, and his origin.

Stop cryin..

[Horhey]

Then you probably should not have made the first three films all about Wolverine, and his origin.

Stop cryin..

[Jan Irisi]

As I said before, there's a time and a place for unrealistic Hugh Jackman/Wolverine fantasies. The SHH! forum isn't that place and it seems you cannot grasp that concept.

The fact that all you care about is how "sexy" Hugh Jackman is and how "sexy" Wolverine is proves you're not a comic book fan nor are you one who is educated in the realm of comics.

It's funny, yet it's sad to see you try to debate with us and expect us to believe you're so much more educated in the realm of X-Men comic history than us. In essence we're better than you and you know it, which is why you're always trying to prove your worth.

Here's to 2008 when Wolverine flops and his teeny bopper fangirl audience is left crying their emo hearts out.


Sooooo, do you jump into the Storm thread and poo poo all those who like Halle, or who think she's hot? Do you enter the Phoenix thread and crap all over all those who think Famke/Phoenix is the best thing since sliced cheese? Do you harp on all those people in that whine fest of a Cyclops thread who "have unrealistic James Marsden/Cyclops fantasies"?

My God, there are threads all over the hype dotted with "he's hot...she's hot....I'd hit it" posts. Do you crap all over them too?

Or is your mission in life to crap all over just Wolverine/Jackman fans?

In other words, who died and made you the all knowing ruler of this place?

It seems clear, painfully clear, that the only "unrealistic fantasty" at play here is the one you yourself have. This anti-Wolverine vendetta you have is really unseemly, and makes you look petty and pitiful. Stop attacking people here. Stop making things personal.


Just stop.

[FireandIce213]

Sooooo, do you jump into the Storm thread and poo poo all those who like Halle, or who think she's hot? Do you enter the Phoenix thread and crap all over all those who think Famke/Phoenix is the best thing since sliced cheese? Do you harp on all those people in that whine fest of a Cyclops thread who "have unrealistic James Marsden/Cyclops fantasies"?

My God, there are threads all over the hype dotted with "he's hot...she's hot....I'd hit it" posts. Do you crap all over them too?

Or is your mission in life to crap all over just Wolverine/Jackman fans?

In other words, who died and made you the all knowing ruler of this place?

It seems clear, painfully clear, that the only "unrealistic fantasty" at play here is the one you yourself have. This anti-Wolverine vendetta you have is really unseemly, and makes you look petty and pitiful. Stop attacking people here. Stop making things personal.


Just stop.

WORD...I think its more pitiful to hate a fictional character than it is to find one attractive...

[LastSunrise1981]

Jesus, Sunrise, if anything has an opportunity to flop its that clip in the top left corner of each of your posts.

Hell, I say all us Wolvy fans jump in the 007 thread and jump all over how bad Craig will be as Bond.

Wolverine to flop like Gigli, really....really.....last time I checked he had a big fan base and high expectations that most people were happy with during the X trilogy. Hmmmm....I seem to remember hearing everyone's response to the new Bond trailer in theaters..."That's the new Bond. He looks like a queer. Jesus that's gonna be bad." People actually booed that trailer. The last time I saw someone boo a trailer was when Alien vs. Predator came out.

Keep your hopes up Wolvy fans....atleast we got a good cast and writer.:wolverine

Unlike the Wolverine film, the new Bond film has been getting rave reviews and the performance of Craig has been praised as being better than Connery.

Granted those are simply opinions and there's no way to know for sure until the 17th. But I'll take two or three great/positive reviews over a character who is simply overexposed.

I doubt EVERYONE in the theater booed and said Craig looked like a queer. If they have to say anyone looks like a queer, then I question their intelligence level to be honest. How can anyone look like a queer? Saying Craig looks like a queer is saying Hugh Jackman looks like Michael Jackson as Wolverine. It's a stupid remark and anyone who says that really need to grow a brain.

Alien vs. Predator deserved to be booed.

[LastSunrise1981]

WORD...I think its more pitiful to hate a fictional character than it is to find one attractive...

I think it's more pitiful to have a creepy/unrealistic crush on a fictional character than it is to dislike/hate the overexposure of Wolverine.

[Celestial]

This board is for the discussion of the Wolverine movie. There are other places to discuss the comic books. The comics may provide background and even insight for the movie but they provide a supporting role.

There is no rule that says that SHH! is only for people who read comics. It certainly wasn't like that when I joined and I don't see why people who joined later should think it is their right to redefine the board.

Is it possible to carry on with talking about the movie and ignore the rantings? I expect there's an "ignore" feature (there certainly used to be but I haven't used it since 2003).

[Horhey]

I think it's more pitiful to have a creepy/unrealistic crush on a fictional character than it is to dislike/hate the overexposure of Wolverine.

If you hate Wolverine so much maybe you should stop reading X-Men comics becouse no matter how much you cry he isnt going to be dropped from the book. Everyone knows what would happen if Wolverine for some reason quit the X-Men. Same thing that happenned before Chris Claremont and Byrne fully developed his character. The book went "belly up" and was on the verge of it many times untill "The Pheonix Saga".

So yea, keep cryin. Noone is listening and they never will.

[danoyse]

Then you probably should not have made the first three films all about Wolverine, and his origin.

But he didn't make the first 3 X-Men films.

[danoyse]

Unlike the Wolverine film, the new Bond film has been getting rave reviews and the performance of Craig has been praised as being better than Connery.

How does a Wolverine film that hasn't been made yet been getting better reviews than the new Bond film that's being released in 2 weeks? :huh:

Although...the script review that got leaked for Wolverine was a positive one. :cwink:

But I'll take two or three great/positive reviews over a character who is simply overexposed.

Overexposed how? Wolverine has 17 fewer movies than James Bond.

I have never been a Bond fan...however, I do hope the movie is wonderful and that you really love it. And I mean that. Really, I do.

I also hope that you see it at least 3 times a day for it's entire theatrical run, so you'll have something better to do rather than insult people on a thread you clearly don't have any other interest in. It will be healthier for all of us.

Enjoy the movie. :yay:

[danoyse]

There is no rule that says that SHH! is only for people who read comics. It certainly wasn't like that when I joined and I don't see why people who joined later should think it is their right to redefine the board.

Exactly.

Just to clarify, I started reading the X-Men comics because I liked the first movie so much. The day after I saw it in the theater, my friend at work who was a huge comics fan (and who loved the movie too) practically gave me the entire biography of every character, so when I saw the movie for the 2nd time, I knew so much more and started reading the comics for myself afterwards.

And I really like them. I've also caught up to both animated series, and I have both X-Men Legends video games, one of which I'm probably going to be playing later.

I also love Spiderman, Batman, and Superman. I don't want to know spoilers on their next movies, so I don't read the boards (I knew too much about X3 beforehand)...although they were filming Spidey 3 right near my office a few months ago. :yay:

Wolverine is most definitely my favorite X-Men character. I thought he was awesome in the movie, and I like him even more reading his solo stories in the comics. It's mostly why I can't wait for this spinoff movie.

And silly fangirl-ness aside, I thought Hugh totally nailed that character. Every comics fan I knew raved about him after X1, and watching them now after reading the comics I can totally see what they were raving about 6 years ago.

I'm also a theater geek, so Hugh is one of my favorite actors because I also got to see him on Broadway and he was amazing. Plus he's totally cute and really nice (long story, he wished me a happy b'day once :woot: ). If anything bums me about about the Wolverine movie, it's that it will probably postpone whatever his next Broadway show is going to be.

I'm sure this will inevitably get spun into another nasty response...but that's the story.

And if we can go back to talking about the movie, I will be very happy. :woot:

[LastSunrise1981]

If you hate Wolverine so much maybe you should stop reading X-Men comics becouse no matter how much you cry he isnt going to be dropped from the book. Everyone knows what would happen if Wolverine for some reason quit the X-Men. Same thing that happenned before Chris Claremont and Byrne fully developed his character. The book went "belly up" and was on the verge of it many times untill "The Pheonix Saga".

So yea, keep cryin. Noone is listening and they never will.

I highly doubt the book would belly up, you're just using the typical Logan fanatic mindset that the X-Men saga can't survive without Logan. I don't hate the character at all. I hate how overexposed he is and I hate the teeny bopper fangirl base that Hugh Jackman has.

They know nothing about the comics, care nothing about the comics, and constantly show how lacking they are in terms of comic book knowledge. I'm not saying they're stupid or worthless, but the fact that they try to act like they know so much more than others is pretty hysterical.

Again, I don't hate Wolverine. I hate how overexposed he is. Anything that's overexposed gets old and eventually what's cool in the beginning starts to get hated.

I stand by my opinion that the Wolverine film will flop. I just don't feel the regular audience cares about him as a character, seeing as for people to care they have to be familiar with the character. Wolverine isn't as popular as Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman for that matter, his popularity is modest at best when you think about it.

Logan Babe and Danoyse talk about how popular Logan is. Yes, he's popular, but so is Robin(Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake), and so is Legolas from Lord of the Rings. But did you see Peter Jackson make Orlando Bloom the main star and his character saving Middle Earth and destroying the ring because of some overzealous fangirls? No.

That's what Fox, Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn did with X-Men: The Last Stand. They made it as if only Wolverine can save and love Jean, the fact that you accept what they did shows your lack of comic book knowledge.

[ShadowBoxing]

I highly doubt the book would belly up, you're just using the typical Logan fanatic mindset that the X-Men saga can't survive without Logan. I don't hate the character at all. I hate how overexposed he is and I hate the teeny bopper fangirl base that Hugh Jackman has.

They know nothing about the comics, care nothing about the comics, and constantly show how lacking they are in terms of comic book knowledge. I'm not saying they're stupid or worthless, but the fact that they try to act like they know so much more than others is pretty hysterical.

Again, I don't hate Wolverine. I hate how overexposed he is. Anything that's overexposed gets old and eventually what's cool in the beginning starts to get hated.

I stand by my opinion that the Wolverine film will flop. I just don't feel the regular audience cares about him as a character, seeing as for people to care they have to be familiar with the character. Wolverine isn't as popular as Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman for that matter, his popularity is modest at best when you think about it.

Logan Babe and Danoyse talk about how popular Logan is. Yes, he's popular, but so is Robin(Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake), and so is Legolas from Lord of the Rings. But did you see Peter Jackson make Orlando Bloom the main star and his character saving Middle Earth and destroying the ring because of some overzealous fangirls? No.

That's what Fox, Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn did with X-Men: The Last Stand. They made it as if only Wolverine can save and love Jean, the fact that you accept what they did shows your lack of comic book knowledge.
I think what's most sad about Wolverine fanboys is they don't understand that if you read X-Men until say about issue 170, Wolverine was probably in the book less than Storm and or Cyclops. Also, I should note that almost no character in X-Men holds disproportionate amount of facetime, certainly not for an extended or quantifiable amount of time.

What was Inferno about? Cyclops, Madyline and Jean. What was Fall of the Mutants about? Archangel, Apocalypse, Storm, Forge and Cyclops? What was the Phoenix Saga about? Cyclops and Jean. All the major stories in fact NEVER focused on Wolverine, hence why Wolverine landed his own book. Because, while some other characters were just as popular only Wolverine's story and origin seemed to be detached from the X-Men canon.

Wolverine was always painted as an outcast, an outsider on the team. Hence why he became such a dark horse, why fans gravitated to him in the first place is he did not fit nicely within the X-Universe.

Even in the 90s and on the X-Books have been about the X-Men, while Wolverine focuses on Wolverine. In fact Wolverine often finds himself a side character in the book. Some might recall how noticable Gambits pressence was during the 1990s.

X-Men consistently and continually is a team book, not a Wolverine book. To coin the cliche' phrase "there is no I in X-Men". Characters on the team come and go. And the popularity of X-Men came from it's writing, story, and use of various and diverse characters; not Wolverine. If you want proof of this look at the 1980s, 1990s and 2000. While X-Men in the early ninties sold well, X-Factor, X-Force/New Mutants, Uncanny X-Men, Deadpool and Cable had all become popular staples. All books without Wolverine.

Wolverine has always had his own agenda and own following, however he has never been X-MEN. In fact FOX inability to recognize this, is in my opinion, a huge downfall for the series. While the series made money, in truth the movies failed the capture the comic and burnt audiences out on a potentially great character (Wolverine).

The Wolverine movie, in my opinion, will flop. The producers of FOX doomed that character by making him X-Men. And while the X-Men have shown in the past they can survive without Wolverine, in the movieverse Wolverine won't be able to survive without the X-Men.

[Jan Irisi]

Sooooooo.......anyway.

When do you think the director will be announced? I'm thinking sometime around February or March, before the whole Baz movie gets going. It seems that all of the ducks are in a row on this, so it should be smooth sailing after they find/chose a director.

[Celestial]

I'm going from memory, but didn't Hugh say they were close to a deal and he might have a name by the time he did his next round of promotion? Unless the deal fell through.

(Does it make me feel less fangirly to call him "Jackman"?)

[Jan Irisi]

I'm going from memory, but didn't Hugh say they were close to a deal and he might have a name by the time he did his next round of promotion? Unless the deal fell through.

(Does it make me feel less fangirly to call him "Jackman"?)

:D

Yeah, I remember too that he said a director deal was close, but the question is, how close? I don't know, I just have a feeling it will be announced around February. Don't know why, just a feeling I have.

[danoyse]

I think it's going to be announced soon as well. It sounds like he'll be going straight from Baz's movie to this, if they're planning to have it out by Spring 2008, so they'll have all the pre-production work going on while the other movie is filming.

[Horhey]

I highly doubt the book would belly up, you're just using the typical Logan fanatic mindset that the X-Men saga can't survive without Logan. I don't hate the character at all. I hate how overexposed he is and I hate the teeny bopper fangirl base that Hugh Jackman has.

They know nothing about the comics, care nothing about the comics, and constantly show how lacking they are in terms of comic book knowledge. I'm not saying they're stupid or worthless, but the fact that they try to act like they know so much more than others is pretty hysterical.

Again, I don't hate Wolverine. I hate how overexposed he is. Anything that's overexposed gets old and eventually what's cool in the beginning starts to get hated.

I stand by my opinion that the Wolverine film will flop. I just don't feel the regular audience cares about him as a character, seeing as for people to care they have to be familiar with the character. Wolverine isn't as popular as Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman for that matter, his popularity is modest at best when you think about it.

Logan Babe and Danoyse talk about how popular Logan is. Yes, he's popular, but so is Robin(Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake), and so is Legolas from Lord of the Rings. But did you see Peter Jackson make Orlando Bloom the main star and his character saving Middle Earth and destroying the ring because of some overzealous fangirls? No.

That's what Fox, Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn did with X-Men: The Last Stand. They made it as if only Wolverine can save and love Jean, the fact that you accept what they did shows your lack of comic book knowledge.

Like Spiderman and Batman arent overexposed? How many books are they in each month? If I knew where you live Id bet you 2 paychecks the Wolverine movie makes over 70 million its opening weekened and even though I believe it will make more.

People that arent comic book or sci fi fans like Wolverine. Go to the mall or wherever and ask people who have seen the X-Men movies who is their favorite character. Common sense dictates the answer.

Not trying to downgrade the other characters, I like alot of them too. Unfortunately most of them arent in any of the movies. Like Cable, Bishop, Apocalypse, Nimrod, Omega Red, Stryfe, Sinister, Emma Frost, and Racheal Summers.

Put those characters in a movie and Wolverine might have some competition besides Magneto who is probobly the second most popular character in the movies.

[Horhey]

Sooooooo.......anyway.

When do you think the director will be announced? I'm thinking sometime around February or March, before the whole Baz movie gets going. It seems that all of the ducks are in a row on this, so it should be smooth sailing after they find/chose a director.

Best director I can think of for the Logan movie would be James Cameron although unlikley becouse he also writes the scripts for all his movies. He was actually going to do the X-Men movies during the 1990s but then he got caught up doing something else. In my view he is arguably the best director and writer of all time.

"The Terminator" and "Aliens" are proof of that.

[LastSunrise1981]

Like Spiderman and Batman arent overexposed? How many books are they in each month? If I knew where you live Id bet you 2 paychecks the Wolverine movie makes over 70 million its opening weekened and even though I believe it will make more.

People that arent comic book or sci fi fans like Wolverine. Go to the mall or wherever and ask people who have seen the X-Men movies who is their favorite character. Common sense dictates the answer.

Not trying to downgrade the other characters, I like alot of them too. Unfortunately most of them arent in any of the movies. Like Cable, Bishop, Apocalypse, Nimrod, Omega Red, Stryfe, Sinister, Emma Frost, and Racheal Summers.

Put those characters in a movie and Wolverine might have some competition besides Magneto who is probobly the second most popular character in the movies.

1) Spider-Man and Batman are very popular characters. The only time Batman got overexposed was when Joel Schumacher took over. Needless to say after Batman Forever and Batman/Robin people hated it for the longest time.

2) You're comparing apples and oranges. You just answered your own question. People who aren't sci-fi fans or comic book fans are going to like Wolverine because that's all they see of him in X3. In X3 Wolverine is the one to watch over Jean, Wolverine is the one to go look for Jean, and Wolverine is the one to "save" Jean. When do the producers and Logan fanatics just admit he's overexposed? His arc in X2 was completed and he accepted that Jean didn't love him, so why do the writers and the studio execs feel the need to shove him down our throats?

Wolverine will not make 70 million, I can promise you that. As I said spin-off movies don't fare very well in theaters no matter how popular the character is. If your theory was true then New Line Cinema would've capitalized on the popularity of Orlando Bloom/Legolas by making a Legolas solo film.

The problem with the overexposure of Wolverine is that he's never in any danger. You don't have to worry about him dying or anything, simply because he'll never die and he'll always heal himself. In the comics and the animated series it's cool and he's cool because he's not hogging up a movie.

I don't hate the character of Logan at all. I just feel he's overrated, overexposed, and his teeny bopper fangirl base simply do not have a clear grasp on what makes a great film great and comic book history.

I will say that I would've loved to have seen Singers Wolverine film. The flashbacks in X2 is how I would've loved to have seen the Wolverine film done.

In the end what matter is whether or not the film will be successful, and I simply don't think it'll be successful at all. I feel it'll be a flop simply because spin-off solo films don't fare well at all in theaters.

[LastSunrise1981]

Best director I can think of for the Logan movie would be James Cameron although unlikley becouse he also writes the scripts for all his movies. He was actually going to do the X-Men movies during the 1990s but then he got caught up doing something else. In my view he is arguably the best director and writer of all time.

"The Terminator" and "Aliens" are proof of that.

You obviously haven't read the script he provided for Spider-Man.

He's great when it's his own material, but when translating material from a comic/novel? That's another story.

[WeaponXProject]

I think both Sunrise and Horney are right in their argument. Wolverine is liked by young fans for the character in the movie. Wolverine is liked by older fans from the comic book character. They are two different worlds but I think they'll reach a good medium with the character in this movie.

I like all of your points Sunrise but why the hell would you like to have seen Singer's Wolverine, it is the same as the one in all three movies. IN the movies he's less of an anti-hero than he should be. He needs to be more of a loner, Singer would have made Wolverine into the Han Solo character he was evolving him into. He's a loveble scoundrel in the movies but he's not the loner, stay off my back Logan from the comics. That's what I want but we'll get the scoundrel Logan with an animal anger when he's mad.

[LastSunrise1981]

I think both Sunrise and Horney are right in their argument. Wolverine is liked by young fans for the character in the movie. Wolverine is liked by older fans from the comic book character. They are two different worlds but I think they'll reach a good medium with the character in this movie.

I like all of your points Sunrise but why the hell would you like to have seen Singer's Wolverine, it is the same as the one in all three movies. IN the movies he's less of an anti-hero than he should be. He needs to be more of a loner, Singer would have made Wolverine into the Han Solo character he was evolving him into. He's a loveble scoundrel in the movies but he's not the loner, stay off my back Logan from the comics. That's what I want but we'll get the scoundrel Logan with an animal anger when he's mad.

The reason being is that in X1/X2 Singer virtually nailed the character. In X1 it shows Logan being more of a wanderer and being a badass fighting losers in cage matches.

I think visually and character wise Singer got the character down. In the comics he's a tormented complex individual who is sure of his abilities and yet always feels he's missing something. What I mean by Singer is that Singer showed a really good visual style for the Logan film.

Something about the colors, the darkness, and the gritty atmosphere made me remember the times I was reading a Logan comic and I felt watching the flashbacks that I literally was in the comics, you know?

In X1, he had more of a bad ass attitude and was a loner. In X2 he was still a loner as he went to find out about his past on his own, confronted Stryker on his own, fought Lady Deathstrike, and so on and so forth. So he definitely exhibited more of his comic book traits in X1 and X2 than he did in X3.

I also like to add that my favorite part of the flashback sequence is after he's slaughtered the scientists, there's this brilliant shot of him covered in blood and his claws covered with blood and he's screaming in torment/violent rage.

The way Singer shot that close-up along with the right amount of darkness and grittiness, I truly felt that I was in the Logan comic books then.

[danoyse]

I would have loved to have seen a Bryan Singer Wolverine film as well--for all of the reasons you mentioned in that post above.


Found this in a UK interview ("The Prestige" opened there this week)...sounds like they may be filming the movie in Australia, possibly?

http://www.indielondon.co.uk/Film-Review/the-prestige-hugh-jackman-interview


Q. Do you live in Australia or America at the moment?

A. Well, really between the two. Last year, I was probably in Australia for about five or six months. I was in LA at the beginning of this year, I’m now in New York and I’ll be home in Australia – and there’s a good clue – probably all of next year.

[narrows101]

Found this in a UK interview ("The Prestige" opened there this week)...sounds like they may be filming the movie in Australia, possibly?

http://www.indielondon.co.uk/Film-Review/the-prestige-hugh-jackman-interview

I thought that too, but in this article:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003080002-2006520044,00.html

I think the "good clue" is saying Australia is home:

I’m now in New York and I’ll be home in Australia for all of next year. That’s a good clue. I said ‘home’.

But still, if he's going to be in Australia all of next year, and "Wolverine" films after the Luhrmann movie, unless the Luhrmann movie takes up all of 2007, it sounds like "Wolverine" will be filmed in Australia.

[WeaponXProject]

I agree Sunrise that Singer wasn't bad and that visually and the way Hugh acted was spectacular....but Wolverine seemed to be too well spoken, not enough of a shadows hiding character and a little too social for me. Though the scene of Wolverine talking to Bobby before the mansion was invaded was cool (and my favorite besides the cage fight in X1) it was unlike Wolverine. He strikes up conversation with Bobby and has Bobby ice down his Dr. Pepper. That's not him.

Look, I'll give Singer a chance but if there are other names of more talented directors brought to topic then I'll take them. Atleast, we can agree that neither of us want Ratner, right?

[LastSunrise1981]

I agree Sunrise that Singer wasn't bad and that visually and the way Hugh acted was spectacular....but Wolverine seemed to be too well spoken, not enough of a shadows hiding character and a little too social for me. Though the scene of Wolverine talking to Bobby before the mansion was invaded was cool (and my favorite besides the cage fight in X1) it was unlike Wolverine. He strikes up conversation with Bobby and has Bobby ice down his Dr. Pepper. That's not him.

Look, I'll give Singer a chance but if there are other names of more talented directors brought to topic then I'll take them. Atleast, we can agree that neither of us want Ratner, right?

Truthfully I don't want a Wolverine film, as I feel there's no way it can be done faithfully without an R rating. His story in my opinion should be an automatic R rating and should be very violent, gritty, suspenseful, and intelligent.

But I definitely don't want Ratner anywhere near another superhero movie ever again, so yes I do agree with you on that.

[WeaponXProject]

I think it has a legitimate chance to be R especially with Fox not controlling the movie that much anymore. If ratings was an issue then they wouldn't have opened up a studio in the first place. Another good reason why the movie could be R is the fact that its competition will be other superhero movies, like Sups 2, and if they don't compete with the release dates they could push for viewers who want a dark, gritty, violent movie. I think the fact that Marvel opened there studios gives them greater creative control and gives us a greater chance of it being R. Well, atleast you and I want an R.

[cyke93]

i find it hilarious that jackman says that after playing the role for 3 movies, he feels that he knows the character pretty well and by the end of Wolverine spin off, we would know him too.. i think x-men 1 -2 -3 did that.. how much more do we need to know ?! hha

[ShadowBoxing]

i find it hilarious that jackman says that after playing the role for 3 movies, he feels that he knows the character pretty well and by the end of Wolverine spin off, we would know him too.. i think x-men 1 -2 -3 did that.. how much more do we need to know ?! hhaAnd I think that in and of itself is a hit against the character. Wolverine is great because he is mysterious and foreign to us. Because he is not one of those characters whose origin is frequently flashbacked in the pages of X-Men. He was given that great "shadowed" past that we find in Dr Doom, Galactus, and even Batman. However unlike those characters, what made Wolverine great was both he (and at a time the audience) was never fully unaware of who or what he was. That's why, in my opinion, the Weapon X Saga of MCP was the best origin I have ever read. It truly captured the essence of the character, even Origin was good despite my hatred of bone claws.

I think this idea that he must be the focus of X-Men simply detracts from the character. He certainly should have his shining moments like all the others, but to make him into "God Logan" and pushing him to the forefront takes away from the fact that even though a powerful mutant he has very human faults. One of which [was] is that he has no sense of self. He is trying to find his place, and he never will because he has lost touch with who he was.

[captain_jimbo]

But do we really need a Wolverine spin-off? I've already seen the Wolverine trilogy.