The official "Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess" review thread. First review inside!

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Gamespy review!!! (http://wii.gamespy.com/wii/legend-of-zelda-wii/745573p1.html) 5 out of 5.

UnderGround Online review (thanks PPP) (http://www.ugo.com/ugo/html/article/?id=15974) A.

The Hylia review (Thanks, GrayGhost!) (http://thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1163469393&archive=&start_from=&ucat=9)9.6/10

Gamerz Edge (http://www.gamerz-edge.com/wii/reviews/zelda1.html) 10/10

Gamebrink (http://www.gamebrink.com/nintendo-wii/2243-The_Legend_of_Zelda_Twilight_Princess-reviews-1.html) 99/100

1up (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155329) 10/10

GoNintendo (http://www.thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1163794903&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&) 9.9/10

GameInformer (http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/E9CD9493-4C3A-4FB9-BF2E-7A1E9E157B9E.htm) 10/10 (Second opinion = 10/10)

IGN (http://wii.ign.com/articles/746/746691p1.html) 9.5/10

More reviews to come...

[TheGrayGhost]

http://wiimedia.gamespy.com/wii/image/article/745/745573/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-20061113011308668.jpg

I'm no expert on visuals, and I respect that the 360 and the PS3 have better raw specs, but to me, this is the most visually stunning image I've seen.

5/5 from GameSpy. Nice. I didn't read too much into it, though, because I don't want to be spoiled.

Hey Gammy, do you think it might be possible to change the title of the thread to include ALL of the upcoming reviews? I think IGN's review will be up later tonight, and I'll post it here.

[JustABill]

GEEEEE. It's so close. <3

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GG: I tried it, but I couldn't :(

[TheGrayGhost]

GG: I tried it, but I couldn't :(

It's ok. If the IGN review is up tonight, I'll PM you the link and you can edit it into the original post.

[Axid]

http://www.ugo.com/ugo/html/article/?id=15974

A

Edit: In search of reviews I came across a picture I didn't want to see (unofficial one)...:(

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It's ok. If the IGN review is up tonight, I'll PM you the link and you can edit it into the original post.

Deal :up:

[TheGrayGhost]

http://thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1163469393&archive=&start_from=&ucat=9&

9.6

No, it didn't quite get a perfect 10, but the author still manages to say that it's the best LOZ game by far in Nintendo history. In a franchise marked by excellence, that is a huge statement. And keep in mind that the reviewer is as big a Zelda fan you'll find on the net, and he is very critical of every installment. But the question I pose is this: if The Legend of the Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the best game in the history of the industry* as of now, and TP is the better game, doesn't that mean TP is now number one?

*Well, on most serious Top 100 lists, the number one spot essentially comes down to three games: Super Mario Bros. (NES), Super Mario 64, and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

Oh, I forgot to mention that everyone who is genuinely interested should read the review in full. The writing is much more telling than the rating; all too often we skip over the text and only see the rating.

[jaydawg]

Zelda's super sexiness has been sealed. Sweet.

[TheCardPlayer]

I hope I can get a Wii at launch...The wait will be too hard otherwise....

[Kalit]

So.. my friend said that he heard Zelda doesn't look that great according to Gabe (from Penny Arcade), but he's never seen it himself (and tried telling me it looked like ****). I tried telling him how retarded he was because I've seen gameplay footage, and it looks sooo great. I definately can't wait for this, anyone know if this is being released before Sunday?

[War Party]

Here's what Gabe said:

"I took the Wii home over the weekend and was able to put quite a bit of time into Zelda. There was what I would describe as a “bru ha ha” over at Joystiq when one of their bloggers claimed the game was a flop (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/11/nintendos-new-zelda-falls-flat/). He cited its terrible graphics as reason enough to dismiss it entirely. The response in the thread afterwards was heated with lots of people claiming that the graphics weren’t as bad as he claimed and that the game actually looked really good. Having played it all weekend I’m here to tell you that’s not the correct response.
See the problem is that he’s partially right. The game doesn't look very good. I don’t just mean it doesn’t look like Gears of War either, I mean it doesn’t even look good for a GC game and let’s be honest here that’s what we’re talking about. I’ve seen beautiful games on the Cube. Crystal Chronicles, Wind Waker and Resident Evil 4 were all incredible looking games. Twilight Princess can’t really compare to any of them. So he’s right about that, what he’s wrong about is everything else.
Even though the game doesn’t look all that great, it’s still Zelda and it’s ****ing awesome. Our crew plays Gears of War every night and I had a hard time putting down my remote and nun chuck to join them. 1up has a minute by minute write up of the first ten hours of the game which seems ridiculous to me. I don’t know why you’d want to ruin such a great experience and it’s really not necessary. Maybe that’s that new games journalism I’ve heard so much about. Here’s everything you need to know about Twilight Princess:
-Playing Zelda with the Wii controller is super fun. -The game play is a blast. -The story is great. -You’ll never even think about the graphics while you’re playing it.
I recommend avoiding any of the extensive write ups about the game. I’m serious, Twilight Princess is too good to ruin it that way. Just wait a few more days and experience it for yourself."
-Gabe out

[Hades]

Zelda and Final fantasy.

The only game series I need

[WhatsHisFace]

Zelda and Final fantasy.

The only game series I need
Not if you want to see anything cool.

[jaydawg]

WHF is right. All you need is Zelda.

[Spidey-Bat]

I must be guaranteed this game 11/19.

[XwolverineX]

Why do you mock me Zelda? I really don't a Wii at launch, not untill there's other games I want. But Zelda.. Rrrrughyeytfhhdsaqw.

[Kipobe]

Yeah, I read thehylia's review yesterday, and for anyone who knows TSA (the site owner), he was gonna be EXTREMELY critical on the controls. He's a tad proud... so I knew he wasn't gonna give the gameplay a 10 just because he'd of had to backtrack with the statements he said earlier... but all the same they appear very promising. I honestly believe he was gonna be one of the harsher critics. Now I just wanna see IGN and Gamespots review. I'm hoping for perfect scores especially from Gamespot:heart:

[Not Jake]

No way does either give it a perfect score. It probably doesn't deserve one, anyway. It should totally be in that 9.5-9.9 range though.:o

I'm thinking one bigtime review site is gonna harsh it up, give it like, a high 8 or something, just to be edgy.:o

[Spidey-Bat]

EGM will probably give it a 8.3 or something. A game getting a perfect score now is very rare. People have become more fanboyish than they were 10 years ago when Ocarina of Time came out.

I'm looking forward to the Famitsu review. They're the biggest magazine in Japan and are very tough critics.

[Not Jake]

I doubt that, maybe Game Informer will go for the high 8 though.

[jaydawg]

I seriously doubt we're going to be seeing any 8s from the big reviewers. Besides, if WW can get two 10s in an EGM review, I wouldn't be surprised if we have another platinum on our hands.

[Not Jake]

I'm predicting a gold from EGM, maybe one 10 from a reviewer. I think the graphics and camera will prooooobably hold the game from a 10 for most review sites.

[TheCardPlayer]

I'm going to preorder the Wii and this tomorrow. There's one spot left on the list....and I'll take it.

[Speedball]

Best Launch game ever!!!
Too bad I'm getting it for the Gamecube. I don't have money for a Wii and a game.

[Kalit]

It got cancelled for GC, only on Wii now.

[Substance D]

Damn, I kind of want to play this game really bad now.

[War Party]

It got cancelled for GC, only on Wii now.

That was a rumor. It's coming out in December.

[TheCardPlayer]

Holy crap I'm 40 on the preorder list. They will only get 10!!!!

Funny thing...there's still place on the PS3 preorder list. LOL!

[Electro UK]

Damn, I kind of want to play this game really bad now.

And thank god for that, I've had my GC copy pre-ordered for a while now.

[Kalit]

That was a rumor. It's coming out in December.

Whoops, sorry about that.

[Kipobe]

Gamerz Edge: 10/10

***WARNING*** Spoilers:

http://www.gamerz-edge.com/wii/reviews/zelda1.html

Not reading the review to avoid all spoilers, but another site posted it. They said this was the first perfect score this reviewer has handed out in his six years in the business.

:up:

[Spidey-Bat]

Holy crap I'm 40 on the preorder list. They will only get 10!!!!

Funny thing...there's still place on the PS3 preorder list. LOL!

Where'd you preorder?

[jaydawg]

Only three more days. Times going by fast!

[Kipobe]

http://www.gamebrink.com/nintendo-wii/2243-The_Legend_of_Zelda_Twilight_Princess-reviews-1.html

Another review with spoilers, so beware. Haven't read it, but they give it a 99/100

[XwolverineX]

Wow, holy crap. This game is going to be so awesome.

[Kipobe]

Yes, and I have decided to abstain from it until my component cables come in:csad: That's anywhere from 10 - 12 days after launch:cmad:

[XwolverineX]

I need to know something about Wii. Is it like 360, where to go the real sexyness you need an HDTV? Because if not it is going in my room.

[Mentok]

I need to know something about Wii. Is it like 360, where to go the real sexyness you need an HDTV? Because if not it is going in my room.

Wii does not support HD. Its 480i only (It can support 480p but that deppends on the game developer).

Having a widescreen TV will help since Wii games are widescreen native (you can set it to normal mode if you want to play fullscreen or keep it widescreen and have the black bars top and bottom.)

[Kipobe]

1UP.com gives Zelda a perfect 10

Don't have the link... trying to avoid all spoilers.

[Lackey]

1UP.com gives Zelda a perfect 10

Don't have the link... trying to avoid all spoilers.



Then you don't want to read this spoiler

Zelda and Link finally do it! :wow:

[Kipobe]

I always read your spoilers, Lackey:csad: Always:csad:

[Not Jake]

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155329

Here's the link, retard:yay:

[Kipobe]

Jake, I'll give you my phone number if you promise to leave a dirty message on there.

[TheCardPlayer]

Where'd you preorder?Microplay.

[Not Jake]

Jake, I'll give you my phone number if you promise to leave a dirty message on there.
I don't talk dirty, I walk dirty

[Kipobe]

http://www.thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1163794903&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&

9.9 from GoNintendo.com

Also, Gammy is doing a bangup job of totally not updating his first post. Top quality work!

[TheGrayGhost]

PM Gammy.

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http://www.thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1163794903&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&

9.9 from GoNintendo.com

Also, Gammy is doing a bangup job of totally not updating his first post. Top quality work!

:( :down

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm suprised the anti-Nintendo 1UP/EGM gave Zelda a 10/10.

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EGM will probably give it a 8.3 or something. A game getting a perfect score now is very rare. People have become more fanboyish than they were 10 years ago when Ocarina of Time came out.

http://www.innocentenglish.com/cute-animals/cute-kitten-3.jpg

http://ronslog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/desert_rainbow.jpg

http://www.just-flowers.com/HT_Red_Roses.jpg

http://www.coping.org/wordauthors/monkey/hugs.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

They gave TP a 10/10.

[Not Jake]

Game Informer's dread review.

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/E9CD9493-4C3A-4FB9-BF2E-7A1E9E157B9E.htm


















...I know you were worried, but it's a 10.:o With a 10 second opinion.:o


GRACE MY PRESENCE OR KILL ME NOW

[TheGrayGhost]

Thanks for updating the main page, Gammy.

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No problem, teh Pooh Bear was right, I was sloppy :( :down

[Kipobe]

I like it sloppy.

[블라스]

Why? :(

[Kipobe]

"it" :cmad:

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"?" :cmad:

[Kipobe]

:csad: Everyone else gets it. :csad:

[Kipobe]

Also, first "bad" review for Twilight Princess... Gamespot gives it an 8.8

Stupid bastards.... :down

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/thelegendofzelda/index.html

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"gets"? :confused:

[Kipobe]

Oh, I am so gonna **** fat Jeff up. :down:down:down

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Also, first "bad" review for Twilight Princess... Gamespot gives it an 8.8

Stupid bastards.... :down

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/thelegendofzelda/index.html

Of course, it's stupid ass clown "I'm cool because I go against what everyone says and also I'm too good for videogames" fat Jeff :rolleyes:

I am NOT posting this review in the first post :down

God, I f****ing hate that fat bastard.

[Not Jake]

Well I was right about my high-8 comment, just wrong about from whence it came

Fat fookin' Jeff is hating on the Wii pretty hardcore. Lowest Zelda and Excite Truck scores.

[블라스]

He doesn't matter.
He has never done anythng right in his life and he's the worst kind of fanboy there is....that one that thinks he's too cool for the rest of humanity.
**** him and his opinions.

[TheGrayGhost]

Of course, it's stupid ass clown "I'm cool because I go against what everyone says and also I'm too good for videogames" fat Jeff :rolleyes:

I am NOT posting this review in the first post :down

God, I f****ing hate that fat bastard.

I don't understand. I read through the review, but it's essentially one giant summary on the first dungeon. It even said so in the concluding paragraph. I have no clue what they're doing, but this isn't their "final" review.

EDIT: Nevermind. I clicked on the wrong review link.

But they are usually trash anyway.

[JustABill]

-sigh- DAMN FYE keeping me from getting the money to buy this game with their new confangled rules. :(

[블라스]

I don't understand. I read through the review, but it's essentially one giant summary on the first dungeon. It even said so in the concluding paragraph. I have no clue what they're doing, but this isn't their "final" review.

But they are usually trash anyway.

Also, he just HAD to go back to the MEGA-CLICHE "In the end, it's a game that doesn't do anything different from the....blah, blah, blah, more retarded stuff" :down :rolleyes:

This guy obviously hates games, he should just quit and go to Alaska.

[TheGrayGhost]

Hmm. Looking at GameSpot's history (which is fourth tier gaming site at best), they've given some of the best games in the industry controversial scores. They gave Majora's Mask 8.3. Take a look at this:

OK, here is something a lot of you don't know about gamespot... their ratings are not what they think of the game, there ratings are what they think the majority of gamers will think of the game, based on their experience, yes, they have gone out and stated that their rating system is based on second guessing consumers, they made that statement right after the hunters fiasco I believe, (when they retracted their first review, and tried to secretly replace it with one that wasn't wrong). If you want to see how the reviewer felt, look for the tilt score.

This is a response I got from a poster over at IGN, explaining to me how GameSpot's rating system works.

Take a look at his review history:

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Jeff/contributions?mode=ratings

http://media.spelfeber.se/2006/jeffgerstmann.jpg

[TheCardPlayer]

That fat ****er!

He's a total 360 fanboy. If it's on PS3/Wii it sucks according to that fat piece of crap review **** trailer trash.

Die GAMESPOT!

[Benstamania]

Fat Jeff is a worthless gamer, period. He's the type of gamer who makes OTHER gamers look like dorks. Think of a sterotypical gamer, you'll think of fat Jeff.

Piss on his worthless review.

[TheCardPlayer]

10 for Tony Hawk. 9.3 for Wind Waker...


8,8 for TP?


DIE GAMESPOT!

[TheGrayGhost]

I don't want to dwell on this, but this review is totally out of the left-field. If you compare the Hylia.com review and the GamerzEdge review with GameSpot's, the difference is night and day. It's astounding. It's like GameSpot is reviewing an entirely different game.

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't want to dwell on this, but this review is totally out of the left-field. If you compare the Hylia.com review and the GamerzEdge review with GameSpot's, the difference is night and day. It's astounding. It's likea GameSpot is reviewing an entirely different game.

Yeah. The difference is that a fat, douchebag with no life and trying to be cool by being different didn't review it for them.

[Timstuff]

Of course, it's stupid ass clown "I'm cool because I go against what everyone says and also I'm too good for videogames" fat Jeff :rolleyes:

I am NOT posting this review in the first post :down

God, I f****ing hate that fat bastard.

What a typical reaction. Afterall, the problems he mentioned can't POSSIBLY be that big, like the Wii controls feeling tacked on and unnecessary (which they are, since you can obviously play the same game on a GCN controller), or the fact that once again Nintendo has completely ignored the opertunity to use recorded music and voice overs, which have been standard features in games for nearly 10 years.

Let's just call Jeff a fat b@$tard and pretend his review never happend, and instead get our reviews from websites like "GoNintendo" and "Nintendoisgod.com".

[Spidey-Bat]

What a typical reaction. Afterall, the problems he mentioned can't POSSIBLY be that big, like the Wii controls feeling tacked on and unnecessary (which they are, since you can obviously play the same game on a GCN controller), or the fact that once again Nintendo has completely ignored the opertunity to use recorded music and voice overs, which have been standard features in games for nearly 10 years.

That can be said for 100% of all Wii games. Fat Jeff is just too afraid to embrace anything that is different. Look at his review of Mario Sunshine. He bashes it because of the water pack.

[TheGrayGhost]

What a typical reaction. Afterall, the problems he mentioned can't POSSIBLY be that big, like the Wii controls feeling tacked on and unnecessary (which they are, since you can obviously play the same game on a GCN controller), or the fact that once again Nintendo has completely ignored the opertunity to use recorded music and voice overs, which have been standard features in games for nearly 10 years.

Let's just call Jeff a fat b@$tard and pretend his review never happend.

I trust some reviewers more than others. While I won't completely dismiss the review, you have to admit to the compelling evidence against his credibility.

And no voice-overs for Zelda. Ever.

[TheCardPlayer]

Fat Jeff is an XBot.

Look at his fat blog.

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Jeff/

[TheGrayGhost]

That can be said for 100% of all Wii games. Fat Jeff is just too afraid to embrace anything that is different. Look at his review of Mario Sunshine. He bashes it because of the water pack.

:huh:

[Benstamania]

What a typical reaction. Afterall, the problems he mentioned can't POSSIBLY be that big, like the Wii controls feeling tacked on and unnecessary (which they are, since you can obviously play the same game on a GCN controller), or the fact that once again Nintendo has completely ignored the opertunity to use recorded music and voice overs, which have been standard features in games for nearly 10 years.

Let's just call Jeff a fat b@$tard and pretend his review never happend, and instead get our reviews from websites like "GoNintendo" and "Nintendoisgod.com".

Fat Jeff hates the Wii, so of course he'll say the Wii controls feel tacked on and unnecessary. Funny how everyone else is saying they feel like butta, eh?

[Spidey-Bat]

:huh:

My point is that virtually every Wii game can be created to work with the Gamecube controller. So Jeff's point of that the Wii controls felt "tacked on and unnecessary" is retarded. It would be like saying Schindler's List being filmed in black & white is unnecessary. Yeah, it's not needed. But it completely changes the experience.

[Timstuff]

And no voice-overs for Zelda. Ever.

It's that mentality that got the game a 7 in the sound department. Voice overs are a standard feature, and there is NO excuse for why Twilight Princess doesn't have them, except that Nintendo is too cheap to use them. Despite what Nintendo will tell you, it's NOT artistic, and I'm glad that Jeff called them out for it.

[TheCardPlayer]

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6358/gerstnh1.jpg


Found this pic on GameFAQS. Lol!

[TheGrayGhost]

Take a look at this post from a veteran poster over at GameSpot forums:

everybody on the GS forums have been suspecting this. Jeff has come with wierd and non-sense complaints all week about zelda, he doesnt like the recharge sound that comes out from the wiimote when you can use your spin attack again, for example. this is the same man who gave Gears of War 9.6 and ignoring mundane things such as story, game lenght and linearity, all of the reasonable to ask for in that genre. GS forums are chaos right now, people are copletely ripping jeff apart. he says that the motion sensitive controllers feels tacked on, which is exactly the opposite of everybody else, including the guy previewing the game for gamespot 2 months ago. the review is nonsense, jeff never liked the wii, and its all one biased persons opinion.

[TheCardPlayer]

Yeah. And that person is biased against GOW. So what?

[Spidey-Bat]

It's that mentality that got the game a 7 in the sound department. Voice overs are a standard feature, and there is NO excuse for why Twilight Princess doesn't have them, except that Nintendo is too cheap to use them. Despite what Nintendo will tell you, it's NOT artistic, and I'm glad that Jeff called them out for it.

No. Not using voice overs has been a staple in the Zelda franchise. To use it now is just meaningless. Jeff makes it sound as if the whole game is mute. It isn't. It has beautiful background music and sound effects. The characters not talking isn't needed. I would rather they spend more money to pay developers to add another dungeon or add to the environment than have that money go to VO actors who may not sound like what I believe the characters to sound like.

[TheGrayGhost]

It's that mentality that got the game a 7 in the sound department. Voice overs are a standard feature, and there is NO excuse for why Twilight Princess doesn't have them, except that Nintendo is too cheap to use them. Despite what Nintendo will tell you, it's NOT artistic, and I'm glad that Jeff called them out for it.

I don't care what Nintendo thinks or what any other reviewer has to say about sound/voice-overs in Zelda. If its anything that I'm adamant about in video-games, it's this. To me, it is an artistic decision and part of what makes Zelda the greatest franchise of all time. I haven't let so-called "industry standards" make me complacent enough to demand cheap voice-overs in the name of cinematics. Written word and imagination is true story-telling.

[Timstuff]

Jeff might well be the only NON biased review yet. I mean, how do you give a game with dated Midi music and no voice overs a 10 in sound?

[Spidey-Bat]

Jeff might well be the only NON biased review yet. I mean, how do you give a game with dated Midi music and no voice overs a 10 in sound?
He isn't. Any man (?) who gives Tony Hawk Proj. 8 a perfect 10 and a game like Twilight Princess an 8.8 (not even a 9) is obviously biased. There is no way something as trivial as sound or different controls take 1.2 points from the score. No way in hell.

[Timstuff]

And no voice overs is CRAP. The only reason you think that text is a staple is because Nintendo has procrastinated voice overs for so long! It's as bad as the formalist directors who were terrified of sound films back in the 1920's. Voice overs are BETTER than text, and like it or not, not having them is holding the Zelda series back.

The Final Fantasy series didn't have voice overs until Final Fantasy X, but did Final Fantasy fans complain that removing the text was taking away a series staple? HECK NO. They were all glad to see the FF series adopting a feature that other games had for years, and I'm sure that if Nintendo ever gets their heads on straight and adds VOs to Zelda, their fanboys will go gaga as well.

[Spidey-Bat]

And no voice overs is CRAP. The only reason you think that text is a staple is because Nintendo has procrastinated voice overs for so long! It's as bad as the formalist directors who were terrified of sound films back in the 1920's. Voice overs are BETTER than text, and like it or not, not having them is holding the Zelda series back.

Maybe if you are illiterate or an impatient idiot, yeah voices are better. Zelda doesn't have the amount of dialogue that would render the cost to pay VO actors worthwhile. Plus, it gives the gamer the choice of what the voices sound like. Though god forbid you use your imagination for a few seconds when playing a game.

The Final Fantasy series didn't have voice overs until Final Fantasy X, but did Final Fantasy fans complain that removing the text was taking away a series staple? HECK NO. They were all glad to see the FF series adopting a feature that other games had for years, and I'm sure that if Nintendo ever gets their heads on straight and adds VOs to Zelda, their fanboys will go gaga as well.

That is because FF was way too text heavy. A dramatic cutscene becomes a chore because you are constantly reading what characters are saying in FF games. Zelda is different. It tells the story through action, not word. So having VO work to hear only a few lines of dialog is really unnecessary.

[Benstamania]

I haven't heard one FF voice over, as of yet that I like. I'm glad Zelda's sticking to text. Come on Tim, your not a fan of Nintendo either, just admit it and move along.

[Kipobe]

Thehylia had the best review available. It did point to some flaws, but gave a beautiful, in-depth review... and it's from someone who was heavily objective. TSA hated the controls on his first try with the Wii... and even though he didn't think they were perfect in the end, he did learn to love aspects of them and even defended them in certain situations.

Anyone wanna read a real review for this game, read TSA's review over at thehylia.com -- 9.6

[Kipobe]

And also, really... who's bright idea was it to make the person who hates the Wii the most review the Wii's biggest game. Huh? Not knocking Super Monkey Ball, because I think it got the score it'll deserve... but only half a point difference between that and Zelda? Nuh-uh.

Bad reviewer. I'm calling for Jeff the fat ****'s head.

[Timstuff]

Because Jeff is the same guy who gave Ocarina of Time one of Gamespot's only perfect 10s, and gave Wind Waker a 9.3. This guy loves Zelda games, so don't act like he has no credibility.

[TheGrayGhost]

IGN review up.

Rating: 9.5.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/746/746691p1.html

Ocarina, your time is up. It took Nintendo almost a decade to do it, but the publisher has finally created a new Zelda game that is so well-designed and so epic that it deserves to be crowned the best in its class. Twilight Princess spent four years in development by one of the most talented teams in the world. The game, helmed by Eiji Aonuma (Majora's Mask, Wind Waker) is every bit the culmination of the franchise and also a true spiritual sequel to the Big N's 1998 N64 classic. This is much larger, darker and more difficult adventure than GameCube's Wind Waker, which is sure to please purists. It is also a title that is best on Wii thanks to exclusive gesture-based controls and some added display functionality. But is it perfect? Keep reading to find out.

[Kipobe]

I don't want to dwell on this, but this review is totally out of the left-field. If you compare the Hylia.com review and the GamerzEdge review with GameSpot's, the difference is night and day. It's astounding. It's like GameSpot is reviewing an entirely different game.
I just watched the video review, and I can't believe he's as sarcastic sounding as he is... it's a joke. Regardless, for as many things as he apparently hated in the game, it's a suprise he didn't give it a lower score.

:down

[Spidey-Bat]

Because Jeff is the same guy who gave Ocarina of Time one of Gamespot's only perfect 10s, and gave Wind Waker a 9.3. This guy loves Zelda games, so don't act like he has no credibility.

It's not the score, it's his petty reasons for giving it. He dislikes Nintendo now because how much of a MS whore he has become. How can he give a Tony Hawk game a perfect score? Or a game with no story and a short campaign a 9.6? And how can he give a game a 8.8 when it has nearly a hundred hours of playtime and a great story?

[Timstuff]

Because it's a last gen game in a next gen box.

[Kipobe]

Because Jeff is the same guy who gave Ocarina of Time one of Gamespot's only perfect 10s, and gave Wind Waker a 9.3. This guy loves Zelda games, so don't act like he has no credibility.
He has no credibility because he's not reviewing the game properly. If I had never played a Zelda game... or even a game before, and I heard this review, I'd be completely lost.

He listed a bunch of things that were wrong, and then said "8.8"

:huh:

Where was the discussion of the story? Where was the in-depth description of the gameplay in comparison to past Zelda titles? Where did it shine? Why didn't the new tasks work?

And then even the most hard working gamers played the game and admitted to it being a 60-70 hour playthrough. 35 hours? Really? I'm calling BS.

He's clearly not a Wii fan... his judging on the graphical nature and the sound are biased and not in context with the Wii's capabilities. I mean, if he's gonna dock points everytime, then no Wii title has a chance of getting anything higher than Zelda got. He's not rating the game... he's rating the system.

And his judgments on the game as far as "not taking it anywhere new..." the new developments are the story. The gameplay in terms of abilities (I've heard) are the most innovative since the 3D era, which has only ever really recieved one new addition in the parry attack from WW.

Terrible review. It was hurried, and clearly a way to detract from the Wii's biggest fan selling point. GS (or Jeff... not sure who to blame more) are PS3 heavy. They cater to what they think the public wants rather than what each game really deserves.

:down

[Spidey-Bat]

Because it's a last gen game in a next gen box.

That still doesn't diminish it's quality. And that argument can be made about a lot of launch games. PS2 had some of the ugliest games at launch. No 360 game really took advantage of the system's capabilities for awhile.

[TheGrayGhost]

Interestingly enough, some of the very things TimStuff was talking about is what held TP from getting a perfect score on IGN. And although I may sound touchy when discussing the lack of voice-overs/orchestrated music in LOZ franchise, I can still totally understand where he's coming from. Afterall, the IGN editor, whom I respect above all other critics, voiced these small complaints in his review. But I will not budge. And I think any LOZ fan will agree.

Anyway, here are some excerpts from the review:

On the other hand, we have nothing but praise for the title's new Wii controls, which enhance the experience - not detract from it. The general gameplay mechanics are similar to Wind Waker. Link is able to run through immense environments, target enemies, strafe around them, swipe and slash them with his blade and also use a variety of weapons in battle or to advance through a location. These polished fundamentals have been passed forward from Ocarina of Time to Majora's Mask and then to Wind Waker, and they are again serving as the backbone for Twilight Princess.
The big difference, of course, is that on Wii you use both Nintendo's nunchuk attachment and its innovative new remote to manipulate Link and his weapons/items respectively. Gesturing with the Wii remote, you can easily and effortlessly swing the hero's sword. The gestures don't effect one-to-one movement, as so many had hoped - and yes, it would've been nice if the Big N could have pulled it off. However, they perfectly replace the need for button taps - a requirement in the GameCube version -- and after only a few minutes of familiarization become the preferable way to play. You don't need to flail your arms around like a monkey on fire in order to accurately control Link's blade - you can choose to make minimal movements and you will never run into a single issue. You can, alternatively, exact long, arching gestures and they will work, too. You won't get tired. Our arms weren't aching after more than 50 hours of play time. We weren't out of breath. In contrast, we found ourselves much more immersed in the experience of combat, as simulating a sword swipe is simply more engaging and therein more satisfying than pressing a button.


Furthermore, the advantages of the Wii remote become blindingly clear when Link uses projectile weapons. Whether the hero is armed with the Gale Boomerang, the Slingshot, the Hookshot or a great new staff whose power we won't spoil, targeting with the pointer is so far and away better than using an analog stick that the latter feels archaic and broken by comparison. The Wii remote opens up a level of speed and accuracy never before experienced in a Zelda title and you will within a matter of hours be able to ride Epona through Hyrule Field while delivering fatal bow-and-arrow headshots to ground-based and airborne foes. To the point: this new method of control obliterates the former one and there is no going back.

This in sharp contrast to what was said in the GameSpot review:


The complaint could be made that Twilight Princess is too similar to Ocarina of Time because the basic play style is familiar and because some faces and places return. However, we think such criticisms are unfounded because they seem to suggest that Zelda's masterful control mechanics should be changed simply for the sake of being different. These criticisms also ignore everything about the game that is completely new - there's a lot of it. Consider the Twilight Realm, Link's new wolf mechanics, some of the incredible new weapons and items he amasses, and a few of the several original locations and temples, which are fascinating. The Temple of Time is hidden somewhere in this enormous new game, but so is a dungeon in the sky. This is definitely the Zelda universe and yet it is in many ways a compelling re-imagining of that universe.


The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess is, in my opinion, the greatest Zelda game ever created and one of the best launch titles in the history of launch titles – second only, perhaps, to the at-the-time ground-breaking Super Mario 64. It is also one of the finest games I have ever played.

[Kipobe]

"The complaint could be made that Twilight Princess is too similar to Ocarina of Time because the basic play style is familiar and because some faces and places return. However, we think such criticisms are unfounded because they seem to suggest that Zelda's masterful control mechanics should be changed simply for the sake of being different. These criticisms also ignore everything about the game that is completely new - there's a lot of it. Consider the Twilight Realm, Link's new wolf mechanics, some of the incredible new weapons and items he amasses, and a few of the several original locations and temples, which are fascinating

I think this is hilarious.

Which reminds me, did Jeff (which in my mind now stands for "Jelly Eating Fat ****") mention the wolf gameplay at all? That alone is something new... and he brushed over it:huh:

He totally missed on all the unique new portions on the game.
Bad review. Screw the score, but just bad, bad review.

[Spidey-Bat]

The only thing he mentioned was that you change into the wolf. Never anything about playing it. This review should have been atleast 7 min long.

[Kipobe]

greg@gamespot.com

feel like e-mailing them... that review was trash. Then again, it had to have been approved by someone, so I guess GS just wanted to do their part in supporting Sony this weekend:huh:

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm writing an email.

[Slim_X]

He has no credibility because he's not reviewing the game properly. If I had never played a Zelda game... or even a game before, and I heard this review, I'd be completely lost.

He listed a bunch of things that were wrong, and then said "8.8"

:huh:

Where was the discussion of the story? Where was the in-depth description of the gameplay in comparison to past Zelda titles? Where did it shine? Why didn't the new tasks work?

And then even the most hard working gamers played the game and admitted to it being a 60-70 hour playthrough. 35 hours? Really? I'm calling BS.

He's clearly not a Wii fan... his judging on the graphical nature and the sound are biased and not in context with the Wii's capabilities. I mean, if he's gonna dock points everytime, then no Wii title has a chance of getting anything higher than Zelda got. He's not rating the game... he's rating the system.

And his judgments on the game as far as "not taking it anywhere new..." the new developments are the story. The gameplay in terms of abilities (I've heard) are the most innovative since the 3D era, which has only ever really recieved one new addition in the parry attack from WW.

Terrible review. It was hurried, and clearly a way to detract from the Wii's biggest fan selling point. GS (or Jeff... not sure who to blame more) are PS3 heavy. They cater to what they think the public wants rather than what each game really deserves.

:down
I agree.

[Timstuff]

So since he didn't walk you through the entire game, he's not allowed to have a professional opinion of it? You're being as bad as the guys at System Wars.

[Spidey-Bat]

Watch the review. He talks nothing about the items or playing on Epona or as wolf Link. He just talks about the sound and graphics.

[Kipobe]

Or horseback combat... another new huge feature. There's tons and tons of new gameplay features. He said there wasn't anything new.

:down

[Spidey-Bat]

He most likely didn't play it long enough to experience it. Probably because he got too exhausted when he moved more than his thumbs while playing.

[Axid]

what the **** Kipobe, 23 posts? :confused:

[Fenrir]

This thread is a standing testament that Nintendophiles are the worst, most pathetic lot in console fanboyism. One "great" instead of a "perfect" score for a Zelda and you guys get your collective panties in a bunch like that. I mean, sure, Gears of War also got an "8" from Eurogamer but you don't see them Xbots throwing up fits of temper tantrums and shaking their fists in rage sitting at their computer screens. Pitiful. :down::whatever:

I mean, it's alright to disagree with Jeff's review and take solace in the fact that everybody else seems to have rated the game higher than him, but nooooooooo, how dare he defile Zelda with an "8.8"?! Oh no no, now it's war. Time to all personal with him in the most juvenile of ways that includes making childish acronyms and digging out his review history in some kind of vain attempt to show he's an "enemy fanboy".

Of course, none of this would have ever happened if only the guy gave the game a higher score and the very ones at his throat right now would have been brandishing his own review with cries of triumph for their favorite gaming franchise.

It's just so unbearably sickening.

[Axid]

I really try never mentioning me playing anything Nintendo , like....ever, at school because then all the ****ing psychos come out of the bushes and start ejaculating all over my face while talking about crap like Children of Mana and how Xbox sucks because it's not from Japan :rolleyes:

[TheGrayGhost]

It's a lot worse on other sites, Fenrir. I agree that Nintendo fans are the most dedicated of the bunch, but I think for good reason. But to be fair, we're really complaining about the sloppy structure and writing of the review, not necessarily the score itself.

And I was anticipating the back lash since I heard Jeff moan and ***** about the game earlier. It's the biggest game of the past 10 years. I think we're allowed to throw a fit.:ninja:

[Fenrir]

It's a lot worse on other sites, Fenrir. I agree that Nintendo fans are the most dedicated of the bunch, but I think for good reason.

"Dedicated"? Try "obsessive". "Hypersensitive". Or even "crybabies".

But to be fair, we're really complaining about the sloppy structure and writing of the review, not necessarily the score itself.

What's funny is that nobody would have given a flying **** about the sloppy structure and review if he had given the game a 9.5 or something. The score was EXACTLY what got Nintendophiles screaming in agony.

And I was anticipating the back lash since I heard Jeff moan and ***** about the game earlier. It's the biggest game of the past 10 years. I think we're allowed to throw a fit.:ninja:

LOL, no it's not. Just because a couple of overzealous Ninty fanboys hail it as such does not make it so.

[Spidey-Bat]

This thread is a standing testament that Nintendophiles are the worst, most pathetic lot in console fanboyism.

Yeah. We're the ones robbing stores and scalping online for massive profits :rolleys:

One "great" instead of a "perfect" score for a Zelda and you guys get your collective panties in a bunch like that. I mean, sure, Gears of War also got an "8" from Eurogamer but you don't see them Xbots throwing up fits of temper tantrums and shaking their fists in rage sitting at their computer screens. Pitiful. :down::whatever:

That is beacuse GoW deserved an 8. Zelda does not deserve an 8.8 for the reasons Jeff gave. If you read the review, he talks more about the game's faults than it's strengths. A good review covers both. Not one. Look at what other reviews for Zelda are getting: 9.9, 10, 95. All exceptionally great.

BTW, just watch the Xbots when Halo 3 gets something like an 8. Do you think they won't be unhappy?

I mean, it's alright to disagree with Jeff's review and take solace in the fact that everybody else seems to have rated the game higher than him, but nooooooooo, how dare he defile Zelda with an "8.8"?! Oh no no, now it's war. Time to all personal with him in the most juvenile of ways that includes making childish acronyms and digging out his review history in some kind of vain attempt to show he's an "enemy fanboy".

Again, it is his petty reasons and obvious fan bias that are the reasons we dislike it.

Of course, none of this would have ever happened if only the guy gave the game a higher score and the very ones at his throat right now would have been brandishing his own review with cries of triumph for their favorite gaming franchise.

It's just so unbearably sickening.

Yeah, if he atleast gave it a 9 people wouldn't be mad. But we are more angry that the most biased reviewer at Gamestop reviewed this and he only pointed out the games flaws. He completely ignored how well the wiimote works, the expansive environment, the new controls for Epona, the wolf mode, massive hours of gameplay (35? More like double that), and of course incredible story.

[Fenrir]

Oh and how hard can it be to actually ignore Jeff's review, especially in light of the other, more positive reviews the game has got. By throwing such a hissy fit, Nintendophiles are actually making Jeff's opinion appear more important than it really is. If no one cared about his review because he's a huge Sony/MS/Jaguar/Atari/Sega/whathaveyouthingmajig fanboy, wouldn't it be a lot more easier to instantly dismiss anything he has to say about your precious game instead of *****ing endlessly about his "negative" verdict?

[Spidey-Bat]

"Dedicated"? Try "obsessive". "Hypersensitive". Or even "crybabies".

Oh yeah. Like the Nintendo fans are the ONLY ones who are like that. :rolleyes: Those qualities can go with any and ALL fans.

What's funny is that nobody would have given a flying **** about the sloppy structure and review if he had given the game a 9.5 or something. The score was EXACTLY what got Nintendophiles screaming in agony.

If he gave it a 9.5, chances are he wouldn't have just slopped a review together. He would have taken more time to review and analyze it.


LOL, no it's not. Just because a couple of overzealous Ninty fanboys hail it as such does not make it so.
Actually, it is one of the biggest games in the past few years. It's not just the fans that believe it is. The whole industry knows it. It's really the Sony and MS whores who deny it's impact.

Oh and how hard can it be to actually ignore Jeff's review, especially in light of the other, more positive reviews the game has got. By throwing such a hissy fit, Nintendophiles are actually making Jeff's opinion appear more important than it really is. If no one cared about his review because he's a huge Sony/MS/Jaguar/Atari/Sega/whathaveyouthingmajig fanboy, wouldn't it be a lot more easier to instantly dismiss anything he has to say about your precious game instead of *****ing endlessly about his "negative" verdict?

Because people look at GameSpot. It is a popular gaming site for reviews and news. When one site gives it a less than deserving review, it makes the game not look as good and may make people shy away from it.

BTW, are you Phaser? He was the only one who used the term Nintendophiles. It would also explain the Ninja Gaiden avvy and blatant dislike for Nintendo.

[TheGrayGhost]

"Dedicated"? Try "obsessive". "Hypersensitive". Or even "crybabies".

Loyal. I think that fits the bill.

LOL, no it's not. Just because a couple of overzealous Ninty fanboys hail it as such does not make it so.

Well, it's more than just a couple, believe me.

But yeah, Fenrir is right. In the grand scheme of things, it's all irrelevant. Let's move on...

[Fenrir]

Yeah. We're the ones robbing stores and scalping online for massive profits :rolleys:

If they're doing it for "massive profits", then they aren't exactly fanboys now, are they?

That is beacuse GoW deserved an 8.

Too bad everyone else seem to disagree with that.

Zelda does not deserve an 8.8 for the reasons Jeff gave. If you read the review, he talks more about the game's faults than it's strengths. A good review covers both. Not one. Look at what other reviews for Zelda are getting: 9.9, 10, 95. All exceptionally great.

Then IGNORE his review. Really, you guys making such a big deal out of something so trivial actually makes it seem that you deeply VALUED his opinion to begin with.

BTW, just watch the Xbots when Halo 3 gets something like an 8. Do you think they won't be unhappy?

If everyone else hails the game with 9.8s and 10s, there's no justification nor plausible reason for anyone to throw hissy fits about one reviewer who didn't seem to think so. In fact, it's quite easy to dismiss such an opinion in light of an overwhelming majority.

Again, it is his petty reasons and obvious fan bias that are the reasons we dislike it.

Like I said, nobody would have given a damn about the content of that review had he given the game a higher, more prestigious score like an 9.5 or something. Please don't try to pretend it's not about the score. All this petty bickering has EVERYTHING to do with the score.

Yeah, if he atleast gave it a 9 people wouldn't be mad. But we are more angry that the most biased reviewer at Gamestop reviewed this and he only pointed out the games flaws. He completely ignored how well the wiimote works, the expansive environment, the new controls for Epona, the wolf mode, massive hours of gameplay (35? More like double that), and of course incredible story.

What if I tell you, MY opinion, as a gamer that I do not think highly of Zelda? At least Jeff has been known to give a Zelda game a high score. Me? I'd rate the series nothing more than a 7. It's tired and it's dated - a franchise stuck in the past too scared to change or evolve. You just have to deal with the fact that it doesn't exactly take a "fanboy" to DISLIKE Zelda (collective Nintendophile gasps, I can hear). Just someone with different tastes, that's all.

[Fenrir]

But yeah, Fenrir is right. In the grand scheme of things, it's all irrelevant. Let's move on...

*ding ding ding* And we have a winner folks. :up:

[Fenrir]

Oh yeah. Like the Nintendo fans are the ONLY ones who are like that. :rolleyes: Those qualities can go with any and ALL fans.

But even more so for Nintendo loyalists in this case. Fits like a freakin' glove.

If he gave it a 9.5, chances are he wouldn't have just slopped a review together. He would have taken more time to review and analyze it.

Psheah, there are tons of "perfect" game scores that do a piss-poor job at having the content to justify the high verdict. Want me to dig' em out?

Actually, it is one of the biggest games in the past few years. It's not just the fans that believe it is. The whole industry knows it. It's really the Sony and MS whores who deny it's impact.

What "impact" did Twilight Princess have on the industry? It's not a technical achievement like Half-Life 2 or Gears of War. It's certainly not as revolutionary as GTAIII. It's not as innovative as the first Sims or Deus Ex. Really, what has Twilight Princess done for the industry?

Because people look at GameSpot. It is a popular gaming site for reviews and news. When one site gives it a less than deserving review, it makes the game not look as good and may make people shy away from it.

8.8 is a damn good score for any game. Heck, I seem to remember MGS3 getting an 8.7 at Gamespot. Didn't stop THAT game from becoming a massive hit.

[Kipobe]

Time to all personal with him in the most juvenile of ways that includes making childish acronyms and digging out his review history in some kind of vain attempt to show he's an "enemy fanboy".
I actually thought

Jelly
Eating
Fat
F***

was kinda funny:csad:

Besides, I'm attacking HIS fanboy attitude, not defending my own. He clearly gave the review a "brush off" attitude when it's a review most of us have been waiting for, for three years. It's a collective screw up, since he gave it so half-worked, and the site allowed him to do it AND approved it.

:down

[Kipobe]

PS - Fenfir, not that I'm exactly gonna bother spend the time reading all those posts (or their rebuttals) but how are you really any different to what you're speaking out against if you're arguing against "fanboys" just as hard as we are against one fanboy who gave a half-assed review? Seriously?

Irony.

[Fenrir]

PS - Fenfir, not that I'm exactly gonna bother spend the time reading all those posts (or their rebuttals) but how are you really any different to what you're speaking out against if you're arguing against "fanboys" just as hard as we are against one fanboy who gave a half-assed review? Seriously?

The key difference is that Jeff's review, in light of other positive reviews that Zelda has recieved, can be ignored and is inconsequential when looking at the bigger pciture. But such collective moaning and massive childish reaction of the Nintendo fanbase over one single review is something that warrants a harsh response.

Irony.

You can start by learning what it means.

[Fenrir]

I actually thought

Jelly
Eating
Fat
F***

was kinda funny:csad:

And juvenile.

[DACrowe]

Hm. I came to say that the complaints made by IGN for 9.5 were pitiful. Namely the voice work. A Zelda staple is the dialogue being written, it cues in giving it a kind of storybook or fairy tale quality. It works. Nintendo isn't entirely afraid of voice work.

I think Mario should have more voice work and Metroid but leave Zelda alone. It works. And for the record Jeff's compalints were worse. An 8.8 because of sound and "tacked on" controls. Everyone else calls them innovative. I'm sorry but giving htis a below 9.0 and giving Project 8 above 8.0 reeks bias and I have lost all respect for Gamespot now then.

[Kipobe]

The key difference is that Jeff's review, in light of other positive reviews that Zelda has recieved, can be ignored and is inconsequential when looking at the bigger pciture. But such collective moaning and massive childish reaction of the Nintendo fanbase over one single review is something that warrants a harsh response.



You can start by learning what it means.
Again... irony.

Just as easily as his comments could be ignored, and just as easily his comments could be thought of as "inconsequential" equals just as easy it could've been for you to take the same viewpoint here.

:huh:

[DACrowe]

P.S. To dock off points because it is graphically inferior to a 360 or PS3 is pretty moronic....really.

[Kipobe]

And juvenile.
You're right. Allow me to brush up my vocab to match the lofty standards of the rest of the internet.

But you can play 'last word' all night if you choose... I'm gone to bed. After all, no sense arguing with you too. You're not Jeff. Unless your name really is Jeff, in which case I see why you took the jelly eating fat **** comment so personally.

In closing, no I don't.
:down

[Tapela]

I've always felt comparing graphics to other systems when reviewing a SINGLE game is really unfair. It was unfair 3-4 years ago with ps2 and xbox and its unfair now with WII, PS3 and XBOX 360 (Fall of man got marks reduced for graphics cause of GoW). I read the review myself and it seems VERY biased. He isnt rating how the game is put together, he's saying what HE thinks about not only the game but the whole systems theme. It is his opinion. Reviewers need to take their opinions out. If they can't do that then they need to pass the job to someone who can when reviewing a game.


It is pretty obvious that the guy dislikes the wii. I'm not even going to go INTO the voice over complaints and music complaints. That is just ****ing heresy and whoever wants voiceovers for zelda must not like zelda's tradition because even people who are the most casual gamers would understand why thats just.. wrong.

[Fenrir]

Again... irony.

Again, get a dictionary. You seem to have a knack for using words without having an idea about their meaning or appropriate usage.

Just as easily as his comments could be ignored, and just as easily his comments could be thought of as "inconsequential" equals just as easy it could've been for you to take the same viewpoint here.

Yeah, only in Kipobe-world should thousands of Nintendo fanboys *****ing be considered just as inconsequential as one "good" Zelda review. :rolleyes:

:huh:

An admission of cluelessness? :)

[Fenrir]

You're right. Allow me to brush up my vocab to match the lofty standards of the rest of the internet.

A poor excuse in the defense of such idiocy. The fact that you allow the general moronic behavior on the internet influence your own conduct speaks volumes about your sheepish mentality.

But you can play 'last word' all night if you choose... I'm gone to bed. After all, no sense arguing with you too. You're not Jeff. Unless your name really is Jeff, in which case I see why you took the jelly eating fat **** comment so personally.

Since when does calling a juvenile remark jevunile meant taking it "personally"?

[블라스]

I'm typical :(

*dies*

[Timstuff]

Hm. I came to say that the complaints made by IGN for 9.5 were pitiful. Namely the voice work. A Zelda staple is the dialogue being written, it cues in giving it a kind of storybook or fairy tale quality. It works. Nintendo isn't entirely afraid of voice work.

I think Mario should have more voice work and Metroid but leave Zelda alone. It works. And for the record Jeff's compalints were worse. An 8.8 because of sound and "tacked on" controls. Everyone else calls them innovative. I'm sorry but giving htis a below 9.0 and giving Project 8 above 8.0 reeks bias and I have lost all respect for Gamespot now then.

I'm sorry, but I have been playing Zelda since I was 10 years old, and I am downright sick of hearing excuses from my fellow fans to justify why the game doesn't-- or rather, shouldn't have voice overs. There is absolutely no justification for it, and there is no reason why Zelda should be held to a different standard than any other game. Reading text is dull and boring. Hearing the actual voices performed by professional actors pulls you into the game that much more. Text is not an artistic expression, it's just a way for Nintendo to save money!

I am just too tired of hearing excuse after excuse as to why Zelda shouldn't adapt to modern quality standards. Text is not acceptable as the primary means to tell a game's story any more, but Nintendo has convinced their fans that it is, and unless it starts hurting game sales Nintendo couldn't care less. It's all about the bean counting.

[War Party]

Um, you guys need to relax.

[WhatsHisFace]

P.S. To dock off points because it is graphically inferior to a 360 or PS3 is pretty moronic....really.
He gave the graphics a 9/10. If he were comparing it to 360/PS3 games, they would have gotten a 5.

[Not Jake]

*ding ding ding* And we have a winner folks. :up:
Wow, he agreed with you, he's a winner!!!!

[comicman]

Why is everyone getting bent out of shape over an 8.8 score? Last time I checked, it was rather respectable.

Seriously, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Not everyone is going to enjoy a game in the same way. It could be the greatest game in the world to most people, and yet there will be folks who think it is a steaming pile of poop and hate it with a passion.

The important thing is how you enjoy the game, not what other people think.

[Fenrir]

Wow, he agreed with you, he's a winner!!!!

Read beyond his first sentence, chucky.

[WhatsHisFace]

Looks like the Wii doesn't have a good launch lineup after all.

*instantly bursts into a flame war*

[Zenien]

w/e. I've never much liked the odd review I've read on said website, and when I look it's usually that guys review. I haven't read the review or watched ANY Zelda TP footage AT ALL. In fact I have no idea how Zelda is scoring at other sites, and this is the only post I'm making in the thread until I own the game.

[Not Jake]

Read beyond his first sentence, chucky.
No thanks

[Not Jake]

Looks like the Wii doesn't have a good launch lineup after all.

*instantly bursts into a flame war*
I know it's like the 360 all over again:csad:

[Spidey-Bat]

Let's get back to Zelda....

[TheGrayGhost]

I know it's like the 360 all over again:csad:

LOL:woot:

Some advice: If you really want to voice your complaints, e-mail GameSpot using the link Kipobe provided. Otherwise, take comfort in the fact that Wii has the greatest game in history right out of the gate, "Jeff" be damned.

Speaking of which, I was chatting with Matt Casamassina on whether or not this game will replace Ocarina of Time as number one on most serious top ten lists*. He said that it definitely innovates enough to earn the number spot, but as usual, he remained hesitant and said only time will tell.

*Like I've said earlier, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario 64, and Ocarina of Time are usualling the only three competing for the number one spot.

w/e. I've never much liked the odd review I've read on said website, and when I look it's usually that guys review. I haven't read the review or watched ANY Zelda TP footage AT ALL. In fact I have no idea how Zelda is scoring at other sites, and this is the only post I'm making in the thread until I own the game.

Good for you. You're going to have a blast.

[Spidey-Bat]

I've spoiled myself with too much. I'm not looking at anything more until I get the game (hopefully tomorrow)

[블라스]

I still can't get over the fact that I'm a typical Nintendo fanboy :(
I guess I'm just lying to myself playing my many, many great 360 and Ps2 games, I'm such a joke :( :down
I'm just glad I've been shown the way, at least!

[XwolverineX]

http://www.gamerankings.com/




Jeff is a retard. Red Steel 5.5? Zelda 8.8? No way, ****ing retards. I used to trust GS.

[TheGrayGhost]

http://www.gamerankings.com/




Jeff is a retard. Red Steel 5.5? Zelda 8.8? No way, ****ing retards. I used to trust GS.

http://www.gamestats.com/objects/748/748589/

Not that it means much, but Jeff's review kept TP from being the highest rated game of all time, surpassing Ocarina of Time's number one spot of 9.7. Now, because of that 8.8, TP is squarely tied of OoT.

[XwolverineX]

And deservingly so. Twilight Princess = Ocarina of Time
Jeff = Idiot

[DACrowe]

Well it is obviously Gamespot is very biased against Wii. I'd prefer a more fair and balanced reviewer. I trust IGN much more. Game Informer as well, I suppose. Gamespot I've lost all respect for though. I am not *****ing that it isn't a 10, but if it is below a 9, the review was already written in advance then.

[Future Prez]

GAHH!! An 8.8?! With any other game I'd be pleased, but Zelda deserves higher. That idiot from GS needs to learn why we play Zelda. He killed it b/c he felt it was repeptive and needs a storyline. The reason we keep playing these games is for the new angles, and anyway, what kind of a story line does he want? ITS ZELDA!

[Electro UK]

I'm taking it you guys all know ING gave it a 9.5? Not a bad score at all. OoT got 10 with them, they said small things like blurry textures were the reason for not giving it a peeeeeeeeerfect score.

Though I don't know why you guys are moaning at a guy that gave it 8.8... still a VERY good score. No need to write him an e-mail imo, it won't accomplish anything. After all, he is the one that's played the game, without playing it yourselves, what can you really say against him?

*hides under fan-boy protective vest*

[Mr. Credible]

i bet the reason they haven't released this on the gamecube yet (or first, for that matter) is because it would get the exact same, if not a higher score, with a regular controller. it's just a tricky way of getting people to buy a wii.

[Electro UK]

I'm still going with the GC version even though I may be picking up a Wii pretty soon thanks to that lovely low price Ninty has graced us with. I may pick it up again on Wii, but for now, its GC for me.

[WhatsHisFace]

LOL:woot:

Some advice: If you really want to voice your complaints, e-mail GameSpot using the link Kipobe provided. Otherwise, take comfort in the fact that Wii has the greatest game in history right out of the gate, "Jeff" be damned.
You know why that's a stupid idea? Because you haven't played the game yet, and no one else has. Gamespot's not going to listen to a bunch of idiot fanboys.

[WhatsHisFace]

http://www.gamerankings.com/




Jeff is a retard. Red Steel 5.5? Zelda 8.8? No way, ****ing retards. I used to trust GS.
Hey, why don't you PLAY a game before deciding it's the best game ever.

[Axid]

Everyone stop ****ing crying about the poorly constructed review :dry:

[XwolverineX]

You know why that's a stupid idea? Because you haven't played the game yet, and no one else has. Gamespot's not going to listen to a bunch of idiot fanboys.


Gamespot are a bunch of idiot fanboy's. :huh:

[블라스]

Yeah, seriously fanboys, you should all be like WHF :cmad:
He's going to love Superman Returns even when it gets a 5.5 from Gamespot :cmad:

Oh wait...:confused:

Sorry :(

[Electro UK]

Hey, why don't you PLAY a game before deciding it's the best game ever.

Exactly, its stupid to argue with someone, when all they need to reply is "You haven't played it." you can't exact argue against that. For all you know, a year today we could all be looking back on this and saying "It rocked... but maybe not as good as OoT."

[WhatsHisFace]

Yeah, seriously fanboys, you should all be like WHF :cmad:
He's going to love Superman Returns even when it gets a 5.5 from Gamespot :cmad:

Oh wait...:confused:

Sorry :(
Hey, I'm Gamera. I haven't played Twilight Princess but I just KNOW it's the best game ever because it's called Zelda. The franchise never took a dip before, why would it when it was a last generation game with a control gimmick slapped on?

I also know that Red Steel is a Halo killer, because you play it with a nunchuck. It doesn't matter that the AI and graphics suck, or that it's behind the times, all that matters is it's a Wii game and I decided to like it for that soul reason.

Excite Truck: It's actually the best racing game of all time because you play it with the remote. Forget the fact that there aren't many tracks, that winning doesn't matter as much as collecting stars, or that you can complete the whole game in a sitting, because you can play it with the remote!

Excuse me while I go look at mutant breasts.

[블라스]

Hey, I'm Gamera. I haven't played Twilight Princess but I just KNOW it's the best game ever because it's called Zelda. The franchise never took a dip before, why would it when it was a last generation game with a control gimmick slapped on?

I also know that Red Steel is a Halo killer, because you play it with a nunchuck. It doesn't matter that the AI and graphics suck, or that it's behind the times, all that matters is it's a Wii game and I decided to like it for that soul reason.

Excite Truck: It's actually the best racing game of all time because you play it with the remote. Forget the fact that there aren't many tracks, that winning doesn't matter as much as collecting stars, or that you can complete the whole game in a sitting, because you can play it with the remote!

Excuse me while I go look at mutant breasts.

*dies*

Goodbye forever, WHF....:(
At least now I know you hate me for sure :(

*waves*

[Benstamania]

Funny that people here are telling you to PLAY the game before you call it good. Yet they can say "control gimmick" in the same sentance without playing it. ONE freaking review called it a gimmick, ONE.

Yup, the games not a classic because the worst of the review websites said it wasn't. Not only is it the worst review website....but the worst critic reviewed it. Go figure.

Don't worry Gammy, I think your cool.

[WhatsHisFace]

*dies*

Goodbye forever, WHF....:(
At least now I know you hate me for sure :(

*waves*
Gammy! Get back here so I can give you a big hug!!! :csad: :csad: :csad:

[블라스]

Funny that people here are telling you to PLAY the game before you call it good. Yet they can say "control gimmick" in the same sentance without playing it. ONE freaking review called it a gimmick, ONE.

Yup, the games not a classic because the worst of the review websites said it wasn't. Not only is it the worst review website....but the worst critic reviewed it. Go figure.

Don't worry Gammy, I think your cool.

Thanks :O
And yeah, I may have exaggerated about Gamestop, but fat Jeff is definitely the worst reviewer they have.
He's the....Eli Roth of game reviewers!
Because he just sucks, no matter what he does.

[블라스]

Gammy! Get back here so I can give you a big hug!!! :csad: :csad: :csad:

*waits for hug*....

[Benstamania]

Thanks :O
And yeah, I may have exaggerated about Gamestop, but fat Jeff is definitely the worst reviewer they have.
He's the....Eli Roth of game reviewers!
Because he just sucks, no matter what he does.

Agreed, when I say GS is the worst review site on the net, I tend to mean it. They don't all SUCK mind you now, I just think some of their critics (Jeff) review games so poorly that your confused at how they can write like they did and still manage to give the game a high eight.

Jeff needs to go elsewhere. GS would be much better without him. He's a downer.

Yes, Eli Roth sucks....huuuuge donkey balls. Kinda makes me sad that he's directing the adaption of Steven Kings "Cell." I was hoping Romero would get it.

[블라스]

Agreed, when I say GS is the worst review site on the net, I tend to mean it. They don't all SUCK mind you now, I just think some of their critics (Jeff) review games so poorly that your confused at how they can write like they did and still manage to give the game a high eight.

Jeff needs to go elsewhere. GS would be much better without him. He's a downer.

Yes, Eli Roth sucks....huuuuge donkey balls. Kinda makes me sad that he's directing the adaption of Steven Kings "Cell." I was hoping Romero would get it.

http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/directors/eliroth.jpg http://dianepernet.typepad.com/diane/images/0053.jpg

http://media.spelfeber.se/2006/jeffgerstmann.jpg

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2003/features/gamespotting/102403/shared/vmug_jeff.jpg http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/gamespot/thumb/grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/1/gsm_libertycities_vr_ps2_060706_thumb.jpg


They BOTH have faces that makes me want to punch them until they are dust.

Coincidence?

[Benstamania]

Look closer, I think Fat Jeff is drinking the Nutty Professor crap. They are one in the same.

[블라스]

That would be a logical explanation :(

[Benstamania]

They're probably also related to Uwe Boll....in some way. Unless Fat Jeff and Eli Roth fuse to become Uwe Boll.

[Tetragrammaton]

Gamespot's review is pretty much exactly what I expected from the game. A wonderfully put together game with tacked on controller gimmicks and dated graphics. They didn't let hype interfere with their review, which is one of the reasons why they're one of the few places I trust. I'm still getting the game, and I'm still expecting it to be GOTY quality. An 8.8 isn't the end of the world.

[Benstamania]

I just think saying "tacted on controller gimmick" is as dumb as telling people to play the game before they call it amazing. Most review sites say the controls are flawless. Jeff didn't let the hype get to him because he could give a fart in the wind about the Wii.

I personaly think he was the wrong person to review it. I think they should have got someone who was at least wanting to really dive into the game, that doesn't mean the score would have been better, but the review....itself could have been better.

I think everyone calling the Wii control "gimmicky" will end up like the people calling the DS gimmicky when it launched. Eating their words.

Could I be wrong, could the TP control be a gimmick? Sure, but I'll take everyone elses word over an angry chubby man.

[Axid]

Gamespot's review is pretty much exactly what I expected from the game. A wonderfully put together game with tacked on controller gimmicks and dated graphics. They didn't let hype interfere with their review, which is one of the reasons why they're one of the few places I trust. I'm still getting the game, and I'm still expecting it to be GOTY quality. An 8.8 isn't the end of the world.

I played TP last night in a Westfield mall and it was so fun with the controls :cmad:

[Spidey-Bat]

They didn't let hype interfere with their review, which is one of the reasons why they're one of the few places I trust.
Actually, they did. They just didn't respond to it positively.

[Tetragrammaton]

I need to play it to determine how fun it is. I don't need to play it to watch a video and read previews and determine that something is a tacked on gimmick, especially with knowledge that the game began life on a platform WITHOUT the Wiimote and was later shoved onto the Wii. I don't know why I'm bothering though. Anyone fanatical enough to get angry over an 8.8 is probably fanatical enough to ignore things this obvious.

[Tetragrammaton]

Actually, they did. They just didn't respond to it positively.
I was going to buy Red Steel, but then they called it mediocre, so now I'm putting up posters all around town telling people to stay away from it, lol :heart:

[Tetragrammaton]

I played TP last night in a Westfield mall and it was so fun with the controls :cmad:
I have no doubt the game is fun. Like I said, GOTY quality. But any fool can see that the Wiimote is used in a very tacked on fashion. It takes a very special kind of Nintendo fanatic to ignore this.

[Benstamania]

Wasn't shoved onto the Wii, it was added over a years time. They fine tuned it, they just didn't throw it on there a week before launch.

I think you'll end up surprised. I hope you do.

For the record I'm not angry over the 8.8 score, I simply think the review (how it was written up) sucks.

[Spidey-Bat]

I need to play it to determine how fun it is. I don't need to play it to watch a video and read previews and determine that something is a tacked on gimmick, especially with knowledge that the game began life on a platform WITHOUT the Wiimote and was later shoved onto the Wii. I don't know why I'm bothering though. Anyone fanatical enough to get angry over an 8.8 is probably fanatical enough to ignore things this obvious.

That's a stupid complaint. Every Wii game can be played without the technology of the wiimote. So I guess to you, every game has a tacked on gimmick. Funny, no other gaming site really believes it ruined the game.

[Tetragrammaton]

The game was designed for a regular controller. It was moved to the Wii after development began. Period. No amount of inane rambling and fanboy PR is going to change this guys.

[Tetragrammaton]

So I guess you hate EVERY Wii game since they can exist on a console without the Wiimote.
Yes, I do. I hate the Wii, and all of it's games. Which is why I have a Wii and two of it's games fully bought and paid for. So I can toss them out of windows and stuff.


Do you get paid to be stupid, or just like to throw in the extra effort? What's the deal here?

[Benstamania]

Yes, I know it was designed with the original controller in mind.....that means nothing if the Wiimote control turns out better then the Cube control, what are you going to say if the reviews for the Cube turn out worse then the Wii one?

Throwing out fanboy accusations does nothing but tick me off, if you refuse to acknowledge whatever other review is saying about the control....fine, but don't try to push your viewpoint on me. And don't call me a fanboy for thinking differently then you.

[Tetragrammaton]

Yes, I know it was designed with the original controller in mind.....that means nothing if the Wiimote control turns out better then the Cube control, what are you going to say if the reviews for the Cube turn out worse then the Wii one?
I'll probably call those reviews biased and say those sites hate the Cube, just out of spite.

Throwing out fanboy accusations does nothing but tick me off, if you refuse to acknowledge whatever other review is saying about the control....fine, but don't try to push your viewpoint on me. And don't call me a fanboy for thinking differently then you.
If only Gamespot would post a news story with those exact words to all of you...

[Timstuff]

The Wii controls are tacked on. You can play the game just as efficiently, possibly even moreso on the Gamecube using normal buttons. Flicking your wrists instead of twiddling your thumbs is hardly "revolutionary", and certainly not worth paying $250 more than if I just bought the GC version.

The Wii version wasn't even going to use motion sensing for sword combat. In early demos, you pressed a button like in the Gamecube version. But then the marketing committee made the developers change it, because they didn't feel like the game was using the Wiimote enough to justify the Wii version to consumers.

[Tetragrammaton]

No, that's not true. If it were, it would make Gamespot's review far more credible than all of those perfect 10s, and we can't have that. Calling a game "great" and a "must buy" simply isn't enough.

[TheGrayGhost]

The Wii controls are tacked on.

Saying that would imply that Nintendo added these controls with no effort at all. And judging by the reviews (even Jeff), this is clearly not the case.

We've all worried about the control. But it is no longer an issue.

You can play the game just as efficiently, possibly even moreso on the Gamecube using normal buttons.

I can understand your concerns, but as the reviews have been pointing out, the Wiimote improves the game. All the reviewers have been quoted as saying that they'll never go back to using the using old control scheme for Zelda; the Wiimote makes the experience more immersive, innovative, precise, and fun. And this is great, since it proves the Wiimote's superiority over the standard controller. And these aren't my words. Read the reviews on the main page and the excerpts I posted a few pages back.

You certainly have the right to reserve some concern, but I wouldn't be too worried.

[Benstamania]

Don't bother, all other reviews are......TEHBIAS!1.

[TheGrayGhost]

Don't bother, all other reviews are......TEHBIAS!1.

Actually, I tend to agree. What was that expression used on JLU? Oh yeah, I remember:

Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear. -Destroyer, Justice League

Although the reviews might be a good compass to help with you a purchase, they aren't the final word.

[Spidey-Bat]

http://videogames.yahoo.com/gamereview?cid=1951383573&tab=reviews&page=0&eid=493324

Yahoo Games review.

Funny, they say one of the strengths of this game is that it looks and sounds great.

Don't bother, all other reviews are......TEHBIAS!1.

Tobias?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Davidcross_adscreenshot.jpg

[WhatsHisFace]

The Wii controls are tacked on. The game was so far into development by the time they were implemented, they can't fundamentally alter the game.

[jaydawg]

Yes and no. They obviously were added on, but every reviewer has said it makes a totally different and better experience.

[WhatsHisFace]

Better than what? The Gamecube version that may or may not ever be released?

[Electro UK]

Better than what? The Gamecube version that may or may not ever be released?

Its definately being released.

[Electro UK]

Just completed Wind Waker again for the 1st time in 3 years due to hype for this game.

My god, I did Ganondorf in seconds. Please be a lot harder Mr Twylight Princess. (Mr? :confused:)

[Spidey-Bat]

Better than what? The Gamecube version that may or may not ever be released?

TP on GC will have a similar playing style as Wind Waker. So they have something to judge it on.

And it is coming out.

[TheGrayGhost]

Now that the Wii is finally here and in my hands, I am closing my SHH! account. I will play the games, not discuss them. Closing comment:

Nintendo games are true games.

Time passes, people move. Like a river's flow, it never ends. A childish mind will turn to noble ambition. Young love will become deep affection. The clear water's surface reflects growth. Now listen to the Serenade of water to reflect upon yourself. -Sheik, Ocarina of Time

http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revolution/image/article/706/706194/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-wii-version-20060509115845614.jpg

The Legend of Zelda. Have fun.

[블라스]

Holy ****, good luck, man!
Have fun!

[Spidey-Bat]

You got it already? How? It's not even midnight on the East Coast.

[Tetragrammaton]

Zelda may be the GOTY, but the real reason to buy a Wii is that it apparently has stopped The Gray Ghost from ever posting again. It's already paid for itself.

[Shifty]

Zelda may be the GOTY, but the real reason to buy a Wii is that it apparently has stopped The Gray Ghost from ever posting again. It's already paid for itself.

Must've been apart of some Wii Cult.

[WeeZiTe]

Must've been apart of some Wii Cult.
In a perfect world, he'd take part in a mass suicide.

[Shifty]

"Okay, everyone its midnight. Wrap the nunchuck cord around your neck. You'll awake in the land of Hyrule."

[WhatsHisFace]

Thank the Flip Williams we've got one less nincumpoop to worry about.

[Mr. Credible]

i'm going to get a nice big laugh when Nintendo finally releases this on the gamecube, and people realize that it's just better that way, and the only reason Nintendo held it back was so people would buy a wii.

[Axid]

Thanks for sharing your incredible story. :dry:

[terry78]

i'm going to get a nice big laugh when Nintendo finally releases this on the gamecube, and people realize that it's just better that way, and the only reason Nintendo held it back was so people would buy a wii.
Because we all know Sony and MS would NEVER hold something back just to make a buck.

[DACrowe]

Yeah, even though outside of Gamespot every review called the Wii controls superior and that once you've played it on Wii there is no going back....huh Mr. Credible, your name is wrong thusly.

[Panophobia]

Yeah, even though outside of Gamespot every review called the Wii controls superior and that once you've played it on Wii there is no going back....huh Mr. Credible, your name is wrong thusly.

True dat.

I'm playing Zelda in an hour or so. ****ing homework.

[Spidey-Bat]

I did all my homework yesterday :)

[DACrowe]

Put 3 hours in on Zelda and 2 hours in on Red Steel (a mixed bag but ultimately fun game) but Zelda....wow.

Whoever dissed the Wii controls needs to come forward and admit they are wrong. Zelda is AMAZING! Flawless controls, flawless graphics, thus far flawless game.

Wow.

[Panophobia]

I did all my homework yesterday :)

I'm still doing it. I squeezed in some Wii Sports time, but
I'm hitting the sack after I'm done with this.

I'll start Zelda Tuesday, as I've got a real life baseball championship game tomorrow after school. I've got school Tuesday, then the rest of the week off because of Thanksgiving. Perfect timing Nintendo! Kudos. :word: