The Official Doomsday Thread

[thorstone]

I think it would require a trilogy to involve Darkseid in Doomsday's arrival on Earth so the easiest explanation I can think of is Doomsday being born from the rock Superman took into space at the end of Returns. His blood + the crystals + the kryptonite x crashing to Earth = Superman Dead.


As I suggested in my Justice League thread on the Superman Returns Sequels board http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249330
I think the following picture is how Doomsday should be realized. I'd imagine him as an elemental character-- like Sandman and Swamp Thing.


http://www.marvelfamily.com/images/comics/DCComics/SupermanShazamFT/SupermanShazamFT002.jpg

I think the following picture also gets at what I would want from Doomsday:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Supermanbatman10.png/392px-



The next picture was a concept for Burton's Doomsday. Thank god that never happened.

http://static.flickr.com/23/27806012_9a9ffa71a8_o.jpg

[The Kid]

hmmm... a villain who doesn't want to sell real estate?

nevah

[The Joker]

that's all Zod is going to do in the new one...sell real estate and low low prices, driving all of his competition out of buisness in a bid to take over the real estate market and then...THE WORLD

[CConn]

Not just the world, but the whole of Planet Houston itself.

[Mentok]

New Villian....

http://www.madisonavenuejournal.com/images/trump2.jpg

[matthooper]

The next picture was a concept for Burton's Doomsday. Thank god that never happened.

http://static.flickr.com/23/27806012_9a9ffa71a8_o.jpg

Yeah, thank god we didn't get that. Who would want to see an amazing looking Super-villian fighting against Superman when we can see Superman getting his butt kicked by Kumar and a bald mannequin that looked like Kevin Spacey.

[The Kid]

Oh ****, you're talking about originality... I don't know if I'm ready for that yet... Let's just keep redoing donner's movies.

[matthooper]

Oh ****, you're talking about originality... I don't know if I'm ready for that yet... Let's just keep redoing donner's movies.

It's funny though how everyone rips Burton and his concepts, but everything was imaginative and original.

I long for the days of giant spiders and gay robots....at least it was original.

[The Kid]

I'd take ANYTHING

but superboy

[Jochimus]

I think it would require a trilogy to involve Darkseid in Doomsday's arrival on Earth so the easiest explanation I can think of is Doomsday being born from the rock Superman took into space at the end of Returns. His blood + the crystals + the kryptonite x crashing to Earth = Superman Dead.

Or you could have Mongul show up (since he's in the game) with New Krypton turned into Warworld, try to recruit Supes, and when that fails he creates Doomsday from blood he draws from Supes in his escape, and save Darkseid for a Justice League movie.

The next picture was a concept for Burton's Doomsday. Thank god that never happened.

http://static.flickr.com/23/27806012_9a9ffa71a8_o.jpg

Actually, slap some spikes on that bad boy, and I think that concept might be salvageable. It's certainly the only one of any designs connected with Burton's movie I've seen that I like.

[Upper_Krust]

Hey guys! :yay:

I don't think Doomsday would work in a movie where he was the only villain. I mean hes little more than a walking plot device.

I am still confused at how they will handle a sequel to SR, because everything setup in SR was atrocious and you have to imagine a large percentage of that will follow on into the sequel.

I still would love to see a 60-storey Metallo on the big screen.

I'd maybe try and ignore as much of the first as possible.

Have Lex inherit Lexcorp (?) and use the kryptonian tech to build Metallo. So we have Metallo vs. Superman in the first sequel.

He integrates the Kryptonian tech into all Lexcorp computers. The tech becomes self-aware (Robot Brainiac, in the second sequel).

Then Brainiac possesses Lex to give us Lexiac (who looks like the alien Brainiac). Lexiac summons Doomsday to kill Superman in the third sequel. We also get a Lex vs. Brainiac mental duel - akin to the Clark vs. Superman fight in SIII. Lex is able to defeat Brainiac.

Superman is killed, but wakes (in the 4th sequel) on Apokalips (Hell). So we get introduced to Darkseid. On Earth Lex becomes president, as a number of fake Supermen arise (like Cyborg, Steel, Eradicator etc.) Superman is able to defeat Darkseid and return to Earth (with help from a motherbox given to him by Mister Miracle).

The fifth sequel involves not only Superman dealing with the fake Supermen, but also with Gog.

The sixth sequel has Darkseid invade Earth. President Lex releases Doomsday to aid Superman against Darkseid. Darkseid beats Superman but is overconfident and gets stomped by Doomsday. Superman then takes Doomsday out of the city to avoid more collateral damage. Lex nukes the both of them (just to be sure) but many innocent lives are spilled by the blast (including the parents of a young boy who would go on to become Gog). Superman and Doomsday are relatively unscathed by the blast, Superman then uses the motherbox to transport Doomsday to the end of time.

[matthooper]

Hey guys! :yay:

I don't think Doomsday would work in a movie where he was the only villain. I mean hes little more than a walking plot device.

I am still confused at how they will handle a sequel to SR, because everything setup in SR was atrocious and you have to imagine a large percentage of that will follow on into the sequel.

I still would love to see a 60-storey Metallo on the big screen.

I'd maybe try and ignore as much of the first as possible.

Have Lex inherit Lexcorp (?) and use the kryptonian tech to build Metallo. So we have Metallo vs. Superman in the first sequel.

He integrates the Kryptonian tech into all Lexcorp computers. The tech becomes self-aware (Robot Brainiac, in the second sequel).

Then Brainiac possesses Lex to give us Lexiac (who looks like the alien Brainiac). Lexiac summons Doomsday to kill Superman in the third sequel. We also get a Lex vs. Brainiac mental duel - akin to the Clark vs. Superman fight in SIII. Lex is able to defeat Brainiac.

Superman is killed, but wakes (in the 4th sequel) on Apokalips (Hell). So we get introduced to Darkseid. On Earth Lex becomes president, as a number of fake Supermen arise (like Cyborg, Steel, Eradicator etc.) Superman is able to defeat Darkseid and return to Earth (with help from a motherbox given to him by Mister Miracle).

The fifth sequel involves not only Superman dealing with the fake Supermen, but also with Gog.

The sixth sequel has Darkseid invade Earth. President Lex releases Doomsday to aid Superman against Darkseid. Darkseid beats Superman but is overconfident and gets stomped by Doomsday. Superman then takes Doomsday out of the city to avoid more collateral damage. Lex nukes the both of them (just to be sure) but many innocent lives are spilled by the blast (including the parents of a young boy who would go on to become Gog). Superman and Doomsday are relatively unscathed by the blast, Superman then uses the motherbox to transport Doomsday to the end of time.


Wait a minute here. Imagination and cool stuff doesn't belong anywhere in a Singer Superman.

Luthor will just do something with kryptonite and some land.

[Hades]

Sexy, naked, and best of all FREE.

just as god intended him to be. If doomsday is as evil as he is said to be, he would have raped superman with his gigantic scaley penis, in front of everybody.
Evil, pfft.

[aroundthefur33]

i would agree more than one movie for doomsday and darkseid

[super-t]

yes all you would have to do to burtons doomsday is put spikes on him, remove the robot stuff, and put long raveged hair on it and its perfect to me.

[thorstone]

The concept from Burton's project has a gun on it's arm, it's more reptilic than inorganic matter, and the head is too beastial.

Mongul is too much like Darkseid-- I'd rather just have Darkseid.

[TripXyDE]

I'm really into the concept of Doomsday from the JLU animated series

Doomsday as a weapon for the shadow government. a clone of Superman, only, one which has been enhanced by further mutation

[JayKay]

Does anyone actually like Superman Returns in this forum? I just see a lot of people with grudges...

[Jochimus]

Does anyone actually like Superman Returns in this forum? I just see a lot of people with grudges...

I guess that puts me in the minority, being as I went to see it twice, but then I thrive on that. :cwink:

[Tojo]

I would have Doomsday, Braniac and of course Lex as the villains for the sequel;

Doomsday was genetically engineered by someone with the financial backing of Lex, who oversaw the whole thing in an attempt to get rid of Superman. Lex is being controlled by Braniac and then Superboy, uh i mean Superman has a dust up with Doomsday.

Some other stuff happens too :)

Don't know what will happen to Jason.

[explode7]

DOOMSDAY!!!?!?!?!?!?? Are u people crazy??? The fans cant seem to detach from the donner world. You want them to get a heart attack???

[BrollySupersj]

I would like Singer to do Doomsday like Mark Steven Johnson is doing Blackheart in Ghost Rider. You keep some of the original look, but throw something new in.

[WhatsHisFace]

Doomsday was just a walking plot device to get Superman killed so DC could sell comics.

[super-t]

speaking of doomsday i am makin a trailer with him in it

[dark_b]

i think we will see singer remaking hes own movie than having doomsday.

[thorstone]

Think of Doomsday's roll in the plot as more analogous to the rancor in Return of the Jedi... or the Samael character in Hellboy.

It's an insane abomination of science, it's the monster; the failure of someone (Darkseid if it were a trilogy) playing god.

Darkseid particularly would be one to create living weapons.

[Iceburgeruk]

Like juggernaut doomsday could work as the primary villain. As long as the plot is solely about this thunderous unstopable thing that is inevitably gonna kill supes. You have the majority of the plot with doomsday crossing the continent slowly getting closer to supes and then in the last 45 mins he touches down in metropolis and the fight IS ON!

[charl_huntress]

The way I see it. Some piece of the hunk of NK debris floating in space mutates and that is how Doomsday is created. He falls back from space after some sort of explosion in space...or whatever, and Supes and him fight because Doomsday is mindless killing machine.

I don't think Doomsday needs to be extra complicated, nor do I think he needs a trilology of stories. He does need another villian who is smarter, and I think some form of Brainiac will be good.

[thorstone]

Brainiac wouldn't be able to control him-- and I'd cringe to hear the name, "Brainiac" come out of any actor's mouth.

Luthor will inevitably be in the movie, but what if Zod were there as well.

Zod = Khan
Doomsday = Genesis
Superman's son = Kirk's son

[Iceburgeruk]

The way I see it. Some piece of the hunk of NK debris floating in space mutates and that is how Doomsday is created. He falls back from space after some sort of explosion in space...or whatever, and Supes and him fight because Doomsday is mindless killing machine.

I don't think Doomsday needs to be extra complicated, nor do I think he needs a trilology of stories. He does need another villian who is smarter, and I think some form of Brainiac will be good.

I would prefer though if the character was coerced into coming to earth and attacking supes. I think the whole henchman role or mind control doomsday would make him seem less threatening.

Have that he isn`t following orders he is simply (without him knowing) moved into the correct place to come into contact with supes by the main villain.

[Dark Knight]

I would have Doomsday, Braniac and of course Lex as the villains for the sequel;

Doomsday was genetically engineered by someone with the financial backing of Lex, who oversaw the whole thing in an attempt to get rid of Superman. Lex is being controlled by Braniac and then Superboy, uh i mean Superman has a dust up with Doomsday.

Some other stuff happens too :)

Don't know what will happen to Jason.



I think they should go with Braniac manipulating Lex and helping him create Metallo for Supes to fight in this sequel. In the 3rd film Braniac would battle Supes....and he would create Doomsday for the final climactic battle. Unfortunately IMO.....Jason should probably be killed either in this 2nd film or most likely in the 3rd film.

[charl_huntress]

Brainiac wouldn't be able to control him-- and I'd cringe to hear the name, "Brainiac" come out of any actor's mouth.

Luthor will inevitably be in the movie, but what if Zod were there as well.

Zod = Khan
Doomsday = Genesis
Superman's son = Kirk's son

Why not have Brianiac be a construct designed for human defense. LOL...this is right out of JLU, but he doesn't have to be an entity out on his own pursuits. He could control him if he knew what made him tick.

I guess the thing I want to see is Supes fighting with someone who wants to kill him. I want to see him go toe-to-toe. Yet, anyone stupid enough to go toe-to-toe with Superman needs someone else in charge.

[charl_huntress]

I would prefer though if the character was coerced into coming to earth and attacking supes. I think the whole henchman role or mind control doomsday would make him seem less threatening.

Have that he isn`t following orders he is simply (without him knowing) moved into the correct place to come into contact with supes by the main villain.

How would that happen though? I mean, judging by SR the only alien contact made has been from Superman. I just can't see an alien capable of fighting Superman coming to earth and being subservient to anyone not on their power level, which is why I think Brainiac is the perfect leader in this circumstance because he is smarter.

I mean the question when it comes to a Superman villian is who is stupid enough, willing enough, or crazy enough to go toe-to-toe. So, IMO I think it would have to be a mindless robot set on nothing but destruction...following someone else's orders.

[Speedball]

New Villian....

http://www.madisonavenuejournal.com/images/trump2.jpg

THERE'S my Lex Luthor.
I hate that man. I hate him with a passion. Not because he's rich, but because his ego is about a big as the Empire State Building.

[romeogbs19]

I don't think it'll be Doomsday -- esp. since Warners is making an animated movie using Doomsday and the Death of Superman storyline. It would seem repetitive if not pointless since the only reason you'd use Doomsday woud be to incorporate the death/rebirth element. I don't mind seeing Bizarro (though Braniac is prob. the best first option); I do think using an entirely new character wouldn't be out of the question, however ...

[charl_huntress]

They could being doing DoS to re-introduce Doomsie.

I would say outside the comic/fanboy(girl) sect, most don't know who Doomsday is. So, if he's in the cartoon and the movie it shouldn't be that big a deal.

I don't know though, but out of all Supes main villians Doomsie always gets the shaft because no one wants to look beyond the plot device...lol

[GreenKToo]

I agree...just because its Doomsday it doesnt mean we have to have the ''death of'' story.They could being doing DoS to re-introduce Doomsie.

I would say outside the comic/fanboy(girl) sect, most don't know who Doomsday is. So, if he's in the cartoon and the movie it shouldn't be that big a deal.

I don't know though, but out of all Supes main villians Doomsie always gets the shaft because no one wants to look beyond the plot device...lol

[The Kid]

I don't want Doomsday in SMINO 2.

And besides, he's in the Bruce Timm death of superman movie so they probably won't want to go with the same villain from that new movie.

They'll use Jason as the villain and he'll be like the omen child or some crap.

[GreenKToo]

lots and lots of people will never see the timm movie that will see the sequel,so I dont think it would hurt at all to have Doomsday in the ''Man of steel''....Actually I would really prefer Darkseid over Doomsday,but as long as Zod is not the main villian i'm happy.

[dark_b]

I don't want Doomsday in SMINO 2.

And besides, he's in the Bruce Timm death of superman movie so they probably won't want to go with the same villain from that new movie.

They'll use Jason as the villain and he'll be like the omen child or some crap.ohhh come one. i thought we use INO only for catwoman.

[Jimmy, GL]

I don't want to see Doomsday in any Superman movie. They kinda already did the "Superman's dead" thing in SR. Superman fell from the sky and was out like a light for about 3 days. Repetition is bad but then again it seems like that's Singer's style with these movies. (Lex and his land scheme. It should have been oil :whatever:)

[Jochimus]

I don't want to see Doomsday in any Superman movie. They kinda already did the "Superman's dead" thing in SR. Superman fell from the sky and was out like a light for about 3 days. Repetition is bad but then again it seems like that's Singer's style with these movies. (Lex and his land scheme. It should have been oil :whatever:)

I wouldn't mind seeing Doomsday fighting Superman if they both beat each other to death and STAYED DEAD (no more overblown messianic references, please). That would create the perfect excuse to bring Jason out of hiding - which is where he should be for the next two pictures, now that Lex knows who his real father is and that the kid won't be really super-powered until puberty hits. By the time that happens, Jason would be about 17 or 18.

[darthlaney]

Superman Returns 3, after they get rid of the crappy Brainiac (I'll destroy you with my intellect) story that everyone wants and decide they need villians that can actually stand up to Superman on a physical level to please todays movie audiences (the main reason many didn't like SR, it was far to intellectual for the American audience, also a reason it did much better Internationally).

I would favour the Doomsday origin story from the comics, genetically engineered by Kryptonian science over a number of years, being born and killed over and over again until they create the unstoppable version we now know, to be the ultimate survivor or a tool for their exploration of the universe. When he gets out of control on Krypton, they (maybe Jor-El) send him into the Phantom Zone to get rid of him.

Darkseid discovers this and breaks him out. Doomsday is manipulated by Darkseid, becoming a weapon of mass destruction aimed directly at Earth and eventually Superman.

[Jimmy, GL]

Superman Returns 3, after they get rid of the crappy Brainiac (I'll destroy you with my intellect) story that everyone wants and decide they need villians that can actually stand up to Superman on a physical level to please todays movie audiences (the main reason many didn't like SR, it was far to intellectual for the American audience, also a reason it did much better Internationally).

I would favour the Doomsday origin story from the comics, genetically engineered by Kryptonian science over a number of years, being born and killed over and over again until they create the unstoppable version we now know, to be the ultimate survivor or a tool for their exploration of the universe. When he gets out of control on Krypton, they (maybe Jor-El) send him into the Phantom Zone to get rid of him.

Darkseid discovers this and breaks him out. Doomsday is manipulated by Darkseid, becoming a weapon of mass destruction aimed directly at Earth and eventually Superman.

Why would they use that Braniac story? I think they'd go with the giant supercomputer taking over all other technology and controlling the world story. That would be a much better story. This would be stemming from th TAS version of Superman of course. If they used that version Braniac would be able to stand up to Supe's.

[romeogbs19]

They could being doing DoS to re-introduce Doomsie.

I would say outside the comic/fanboy(girl) sect, most don't know who Doomsday is. So, if he's in the cartoon and the movie it shouldn't be that big a deal.

I don't know though, but out of all Supes main villians Doomsie always gets the shaft because no one wants to look beyond the plot device...lol

You know, after you said that, it makes a WHOLE lot more sense to use Doomsday. It would be a GREAT marketing vehicle for WB if they use Doomsday in the movie and have him for a DVD -- it could be a double whammy in many ways. Sure, the DVD is supposed to come out next year, but they could delay it or hype it again like crazy when the movie hits -- it'd be a nice way to cash in, so maybe Doomsday is the best fit ... besides, it terms of a recognizable villain from the Superman universe that can put up a solid PHYSICAL fight --he's really the ONLY one.

After SR and Lex -- I for one don't want another brains vs. brawn setup.

[darthlaney]

Why would they use that Braniac story? I think they'd go with the giant supercomputer taking over all other technology and controlling the world story. That would be a much better story. This would be stemming from th TAS version of Superman of course. If they used that version Braniac would be able to stand up to Supe's.


This sounds great, they should put Richard Prior in it too. They could call it Superman 3 and have Clark Kent fight an evil version of Superman for his soul. They could then make a sequel to it and have Superman fight a Nuclear powered clone.

C'mon man, we want something new.

[The Kid]

ohhh come one. i thought we use INO only for catwoman.

LOL, well maybe if lex wasn't so terribly written and there was no superboy I'd be more lenient, but no I can't give a free pass. Every thing about me as a superman fan won't allow me to.

[Robin91939]

http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/fanfic/cpu/issue44/cpu44a.jpg
http://www.herorealm.com/hrComics/images/stories/DCJune06/Superman/SupermanDoomsdayTP.gif

-R

[GreenKToo]

it could be awesome if done right.

[Superfreak]

Like juggernaut doomsday could work as the primary villain. As long as the plot is solely about this thunderous unstopable thing that is inevitably gonna kill supes. You have the majority of the plot with doomsday crossing the continent slowly getting closer to supes and then in the last 45 mins he touches down in metropolis and the fight IS ON!

diddo, just like in the DOS book.

First half is all about the police, then military, then the JLA getting their asses handed to them, intercut with Superman explaining why he is the way he is, and why he is who he is in tV interview with the highschool students.

Then things really start to happen as Doomsday gets closer and closer to mmmmtrrrppplssss (to watch wrestling, just like in the comic book), then the last 45 mins should be Supes vs. Doomsday from suburban Metropolis, right to the foot of the daily planet. Buildings better topple, windows shatter, gas mains explode. The city should be decimated by the end, and the final blow should be titanic.

DD should have no motivation what so ever. He should be a mindless beast of death and destruction, kind of like an evil King Kong. And narrative wise, this should balance off with Superman's TV interview, and his relationship with Lois, as they both realize that Supes will not be walking away from this fight.

[charl_huntress]

After SR and Lex -- I for one don't want another brains vs. brawn setup.

Yes, I want to see **** breaking and fist flying:hyper:

[charl_huntress]

it could be awesome if done right.

:up: Yep...I think it would be awesome too. It would also be cooler to see another "popular" villian from the Superman universe than just the most popular.

[elvislennon2005]

New Villian....

http://www.madisonavenuejournal.com/images/trump2.jpg


No it would be his hair killing him and then Superman and then it goes for the rest of the world......HELP US!!!!!!:woot:


I want Doomsday to be just as he was in the comics. Looks, Act and the power that was in the comics. That should be the Doomsday. Oh, please don't have him talk.

[explode7]

I think that having Doomsday will look too much like a rip off of the HULK.

[charl_huntress]

I think that having Doomsday will look too much like a rip off of the HULK.

Hmmm...I can see that, but Singer doesn't seem like that type of director. He's more into realistic action and that is why the Hulk failed in that department...IMO. It was too much eye-candy.

I don't trust Singer and his cahorts story telling abilites, but I do not think he would go the route of Hulk as far as FX goes.

edit:

If Singer sticks with his favored one on one combat style like in X2 than it could work. Yet, a totally drag on the FX like in SR from the story would be bad...again.

[JayKay]

Hmmm...I can see that, but Singer doesn't seem like that type of director. He's more into realistic action and that is why the Hulk failed in that department...IMO. It was too much eye-candy.The Hulk had VERY realistic action, if you think about the context. Spider-Man 2 on the other hand had very cartoony action, and I wouldn't call that a failure.

[thorstone]

I'd give the character somewhat gorilla like proportions and use the New Krypton origin to make a wink to Titano.

I wouldn't give the character hair-- he should be all inorganic matter, completely elemental.

[charl_huntress]

The Hulk had VERY realistic action, if you think about the context. Spider-Man 2 on the other hand had very cartoony action, and I wouldn't call that a failure.

Perhaps, but it was hard to pick up on the realism because of the mutated dogs, mutated father, and overly done CG HULK.

Spiderman on the other hand appeared more real because the action took place during things that were familiar. Yes it was cartoony action, but it seemed more real because Spiderman was doing regular stuff at the time. If I recall correctly, the Hulk always seemed to be in these wierd situations that just didn't feel "real". I guess, the contrivance to get to the action made it seem less real. Does that make sense?

[Super-Bats]

actually.....I think part of the problem with the CG Hulk was that it was inconsistent throughout the film.

In some scenes, the Hulk looked amazingly real! Yet, in others, he looked really cartoony! And, this did not occur chronologically in the film. IOW, the Hulk didn't look more real as the film progressed. It was like, in one scene he is very real looking, then in the next scene he looks cartoony. So, the cartoony CG stood out more.

[JayKay]

actually.....I think part of the problem with the CG Hulk was that it was inconsistent throughout the film.

In some scenes, the Hulk looked amazingly real! Yet, in others, he looked really cartoony! And, this did not occur chronologically in the film. IOW, the Hulk didn't look more real as the film progressed. It was like, in one scene he is very real looking, then in the next scene he looks cartoony. So, the cartoony CG stood out more.I didn't see any inconsistency in the film, the only time the CGI was really bad was when he was in shadows so it didn't matter.

[JayKay]

Spiderman on the other hand appeared more real because the action took place during things that were familiar. Yes it was cartoony action, but it seemed more real because Spiderman was doing regular stuff at the time. If I recall correctly, the Hulk always seemed to be in these wierd situations that just didn't feel "real". I guess, the contrivance to get to the action made it seem less real. Does that make sense?The contrivance in Hulk was not worse than SM2, the action in SM2 literally served no purpose.

[thorstone]

"In some scenes, the Hulk looked amazingly real! Yet, in others, he looked really cartoony"

I agree, that is the fault of using CGI. I want Doomsday to be done in the most practical ways possible. The computers would be used to put together the maps and blue screen work.

[GreenKToo]

They need to get that idea out of their heads, thinking the public wants realism.If I want realism I'll turn on the news...I go to the theater to believe in the impossible,not to have my hero grounded in realism....I mean come on,its about a man who can fly,and shoot heat out of his eyes..

[thorstone]

I don't think it's any secret noone wants to see Superman do something like go to the middle East or throw all the world's nukes into the sun (again).

I personally think the Superman movies have all made the big mistake of making Superman so powerful it makes it difficult to suspend disbelief that somehow there is still chaos on Earth despite the fact Superman can dig an island out of the ocean and throw it into space. He can still be the most powerful super hero and not be so damned unbelievably strong.

I think the plane scene in Returns is more on the level of where I'd stop Superman's strength. Otherwise he would punch Doomsday one time and blow his head off.

The character has gone from, "he can leap tall buildings in a single bound" to him being somewhat telekenetic allowing him to fly without physically pushing off of anything.

[charl_huntress]

I don't think it's any secret noone wants to see Superman do something like go to the middle East or throw all the world's nukes into the sun (again).

I personally think the Superman movies have all made the big mistake of making Superman so powerful it makes it difficult to suspend disbelief that somehow there is still chaos on Earth despite the fact Superman can dig an island out of the ocean and throw it into space. He can still be the most powerful super hero and not be so damned unbelievably strong.

I think the plane scene in Returns is more on the level of where I'd stop Superman's strength. Otherwise he would punch Doomsday one time and blow his head off.

The character has gone from, "he can leap tall buildings in a single bound" to him being somewhat telekenetic allowing him to fly without physically pushing off of anything.

For me, you hit the nail on the head of why Singer went wrong.

He tried to show Superman fighting an unwinnable situation. Yet, he didn't show Superman. IMO, you cannot have one without the other. If you are going to make Clark/Superman a wimp, than one of them during alter-ego presence needs to step up to be a man.

Singer de-penised Supes, and made him chump. That will ground any sort of FX because who wants to believe a chump can fly?

edit:

As for the HULK. Those who think it was something else than contrived action should watch that movie again! It was all something totally set up to make him BB angry. It wasn't smooth. It wasn't cute. It wasn't real. It was just contrived, so when the mutated dogs finally came on the scene there was no pay off or anything like that.

Anyway, who cares about a movie that is sort of good on one aspect, but fails on another totally. Well...I guess I do since that is what happen to SR :)

[Super-Bats]

interestingly.........I actually liked Ang's Hulk story, but I thought it was poorly translated/executed on the screen. SR, on the other hand, I actually thought it was well executed ( in terms of visuals and tone ), but I didn't care for the story.......

[charl_huntress]

interestingly.........I actually liked Ang's Hulk story, but I thought it was poorly translated/executed on the screen. SR, on the other hand, I actually thought it was well executed ( in terms of visuals and tone ), but I didn't care for the story.......

In actuality, you are saying what I am saying. The director's vision didn't translate the character properly, so you as the viewer felt the character was skewed.

Different strokes...diffrent folks....:yay:

[Super-Bats]

one could also say that both Ang and Singer were "blinded" by their vision that they failed to capture the "essence" of their respective characters.

That picture of Trump earlier reminded me of one the Apprentice episodes. It was either in the 2nd or 3rd season, but the task called for the teams to go to Harlem and create a giant graffitti wall ad for a new Playstation racing game.

The Project Manager ( PM ) of one of the teams happened to be African American woman. Perhaps because of this, she wanted her wall picture to be more than an ad for a game. She wanted it to be symbolic and representative. That was her vision, and she formed that very early on, and made her team carry out that vision.

In the end, her team's ad WAS visually superior to the other team's ad. However, it FAILED to connect to the audience, as it didn't really SPEAK TO THE GAME. IOW, it didn't tell viewers what made the game interesting ( why they should be excited and buy it ). Consequently, her team LOST the project.

When I watched that episode, I immediately thought of Ang and Singer. I felt that was what happened to Ang with Hulk, and I feared that was what will happen to Singer with Superman.

IMO, Ang wanted to make an "artsy" movie, with flighty dream-like sequences and comic book style transitions. However, in doing so, perhaps he lost site of the SCARY, NIGHTMARISH, MONSTER quality of his character.

Likewise, with Singer, perhaps he was so blinded by tying his movie to the original Donner movies that he could not make an original movie of his own. And, he also lost site of the character of Superman, and what he stands for, not just his fancy powers.........

All in my opinion of course.....

[thorstone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/nemo_83/incrediblehulk.jpg

[thechubbysaint]

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/bigpicture/images/bryansinger.jpg

This is how I see him.

[Venomfan]

doomsday should be used to kill super kid. and then go on to fight superman where they kill eachother. also i think it would be cool that at the end when superman dies, have the next movie be like this 52 thing(im not reading it, but i was told about it, so i may be wrong) and have the next movie but an entire movie of how all the secondary characters and the world is dealing with supermans death and him being gone, and then at the very end he likes rises out of the grave or something and you just like see his back and the supes theme kicks in. the end

[Antonello Blueberry]

The Kid gets some kind of alien virus brought to Earth by Brainiac and becomes Doomsday, and Superman is forced to kill him...

[thorstone]

Lol, you guys really hate Superboy.

[thorstone]

What about the third film being called, The Man of Tomorrow?

[Jimmy, GL]

Lol, you guys really hate Superboy.


Don't call him that. The kid shouldn't exist. He takes away the focus from Supe's and puts all on himself just by being there. I hope he only makes minor appearences until they can get a new director.:csad:

[GL1]

I would want him forged from the crystals, along with brainiac... that'd be enough for me.

[Lightning54SC]

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/bigpicture/images/bryansinger.jpg

This is how I see him.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! :woot:

[not_a_victim]

If, and thats a big if Doomsday if in the next movie, I want him to be a degenerated, mutated clone of Supes. Stick with the same backstory, that he was a genetic experiment, and everytime he dies, he is immune to dying again that way, etc. However, make the initial genetic material be Supe's.
Maybe Jor-El kept a sample of Supes' genetic material before he sent him to Earf, and some residents of a yellow-sun orbiting planet took it and started the process that created Dooms.
Not popular, and I am sure I will get flamed, but it lets Singer do a "Supes vs. Supes" fight like in the previous movies, just modernized.

[lybbert4955]

my thought would be that the main villian would be brainiac and just before Superman destroys him brainiac unleashes doomsday from his ship. Superman then destroys brainiacs circuits, then all hell breaks loose. (I posted this on the fan art section but this is my version of doomsday)

http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/500/1609doomsdaymovie.JPG

[NotFadeAway]

The trailer for Superman:Doomsday already looks like it will easily own Superman Returns, so Im gonna say screw it, lets just adapt the Doomsday/death of Superman story to the big screen and make film with rollercoaster like emotion and action. I do not care one damn bit about following up on Superman Returns storyline, find a new Director, recast the parts, and make the film. Im tired of folks dicking off with Superman.

This is a rant....

[Showtime]

The Death of Superman storyline was the fad of the 90's and will never make it's way on screen. That's why it was developed as an animated feature. Superman Returns practically killed Superman twice, I don't think you'll see that on screen if this arc is continued.

[fabman]

Well, I think that a Death of Superman film, but streamlined like with the animated feature, without the Supermen etc., could've been a very good film. It would've been another good way to develop the characters and at the same time they could've done something fresh and new. I'm anticipating Superman: Doomsday more than the Superman Returns sequel and that means something, especially since I like SR.

[BH/HHH]

You can do things alot easier in a cartoon that a feature film. Like you can draw anything whereas to create it in a film costs shed-loads. Not to mention that you can draw say Doomsday whereas in a film you have to use makeup and CG, etc and you have to worry that it will look corny. Making a cartoon is much easier.

[superbaby]

doomsday is good. but they gotta do his background story and introduction short and informative.

btw, singer doesn't know how to do the fighting scene. you might see the chick-act “hit in the groin" like what we got in X1

[romeogbs19]

bad idea -- doomsday is a pretty bland character, imho. of all the villains in the super-hero world, i'd say doomsday has the least interesting and most poorly developed backstory. i'm all for villains, but even the bad guys need to have some reason for being evil -- the notion of an indestructible killer in traditional superhero comics can work (though even this i'd argue wouldn't work in this day and age) but on the big screen, a little more substance is appreciated.

[The Shredder]

Well the "Death of Superman" storyline (or a variation of it) was intially going to be the idea for a resurrected Superman franchise for the better part of the 1990's, but it just never got off the ground. WB felt that with the success of the comic book series, as well as the TPB, adapting that particular storyline would definately be the smart way to go considering a good number of people were already familiar with it. Considering what has taken place in recent years with the Superman live action film franchise, the story being adapted in animated form is IMO, the best option for right now.

[dark_b]

The trailer for Superman:Doomsday already looks like it will easily own Superman Returns, so Im gonna say screw it, lets just adapt the Doomsday/death of Superman story to the big screen and make film with rollercoaster like emotion and action. I do not care one damn bit about following up on Superman Returns storyline, find a new Director, recast the parts, and make the film. Im tired of folks dicking off with Superman.

This is a rant....own SR? the trailer looks liek a normal episode of TAS. :huh:

[Ita-KalEl]

A battle and a supervillain are important mainly for the marketing.
If you don't put any fight scene in the trailer and in the tv spots, it is really difficult to sell a sh movie today.

I would like to see Doomsday, but only in the version read in "Doomsdy Wars": Doomsday controlled by Brainiac.

[dsfjr1190]

I can't wait to see this film. I think we can expect it to be good. The animation is great, as is the voice casting.

[TheBat812]

link?

[Kevin Roegele]

The Death of Superman storyline was the fad of the 90's and will never make it's way on screen.

So Ricard Pryor in Superman III wasn't a fad?

[Showtime]

I don't get the comparison, Richard Pryor made it to screen when he was popular. The Death of Superman storyline was a product of the 90's, plus they just made it into an animated feature. Nope sir. Don't get it.

[NotFadeAway]

own SR? the trailer looks liek a normal episode of TAS. :huh:

I KNOW THIS! TAS owns Superman Returns, animated or not! Thank you for helping me make my point:yay:

[Motown Marvel]

wait, theres a trailer out for this? link it up!

[Excel]

youtube

[Orko Is King]

The animation looks a lot better than TAS. I'm really digging it. I just wish we had a proper trailer instead of that wee snippet.

[The Kid]

No jason? no thanks!

[Deadpool876]

Superman: Doomsday is a good concept BUT why the short running time?!? It's only 75 mins, that's kinda under-developed or rushed don't you think?

I mean if it's gonna be based on the comic books (Death Of Superman, World without Superman, Return of Superman, etc.), it's gotta have:

1.Doomsday's introduction
2.His reign of terror in the city
3.The JLA learning about Doomsday and eventually fighting him with Supes
4.JLA defeated, except Supes the last one standing
5.Supes one on one with Doomsday
6.The world and the JLA coping with his loss
7.The characters claiming they are Superman
8.Return of Superman
9.Battle with Doomsday again

Not to mention, it's gotta have substance. So if indeed it's only 75 mins, I think the makers are gonna stray away from the comics or make their own interpretation. BUT I really love to see the JLA fighting with Supes and the how the world and the JLA struggle with Supes' demise. But then again, it's only 75 mins. Oh, well, still hoping it will turn out alright, crossing my fingers. :word:

[storyteller]

The jla are not involved in this and i dont think the reign of the supermen will happen to much(at most i see cyborg).

[Deadpool876]

The jla are not involved in this and i dont think the reign of the supermen will happen to much(at most i see cyborg).

Well, that's a letdown for me. I was kinda hoping the JLA would somehow be involved, Superman's in the fight of his life, JLA should give him a hand. Maybe the JLA isn't formed yet in this universe. But then again, it would be cool if just a few heroes would fight with Supes against Doomsday. :yay:

[S_H_F_4839]

I liked superman returns but, I think they missed a good opportunity.

I mean I liked the death and return story, but I would have liked to have seen the movie set that as history, rather than him go off into space to seek out a planet, he was told by his father was destroyed, they could have had a cool action sequence from the word go, with Doomsday arriving and starting to destroy metropolis, show the two fight to the climatic end, and the world would move on, because of his death, not because he left. He would come back when the world needs him most.

[The Kid]

Thats exactly my thoughts after seeing returns. It's the sequel to a film we never saw. But you have to admit it's kinda silly to just kill the hero on his big comeback... except that's what they did in returns... hmmm

[S_H_F_4839]

Thats exactly my thoughts after seeing returns. It's the sequel to a film we never saw. But you have to admit it's kinda silly to just kill the hero on his big comeback... except that's what they did in returns... hmmm

I am not really sure how they would have brought him back to life in the movie adaptation, but I wonder what all they could have done with lex luthor, keep the vague history, drop the marry old widow on death bed that annoyed the crap out of me, I mean its too easy, Luthor maybe a badguy but even badguys have their pride thats the kind of stunt I would have expected out of an underling of luthors.

[The Kid]

I am not really sure how they would have brought him back to life in the movie adaptation, but I wonder what all they could have done with lex luthor, keep the vague history, drop the marry old widow on death bed that annoyed the crap out of me, I mean its too easy, Luthor maybe a badguy but even badguys have their pride thats the kind of stunt I would have expected out of an underling of luthors.

Yeah, no amount of film school babble about religious symbolism will convince me Luthor using the dastardly schemes thought up by golddiggers like Anna Nichole Smith was the best way to go with the character there.

The parts of returns that work extremely well are the main idea of a superhero returning to win back the world. It would have been amazing to see superman die not lifting luthors otisberg but you know, like in the comic get beaten to death by doomsday. Then I wager we'd see how superman's son would take over for him like superboy did.

[S_H_F_4839]

Yeah, no amount of film school babble about religious symbolism will convince me Luthor using the dastardly schemes thought up by golddiggers like Anna Nichole Smith was the best way to go with the character there.

The parts of returns that work extremely well are the main idea of a superhero returning to win back the world. It would have been amazing to see superman die not lifting luthors otisberg but you know, like in the comic get beaten to death by doomsday. Then I wager we'd see how superman's son would take over for him like superboy did.

I would like to have seen luthor dabble in politics, his greatest rival is dead, why bother with what he views now as the small stuff he can move on to bigger and better things.

As for doomsday, I agree about him just being a random killing machine should be open to change.

I would like to see them have him be formerly a kryptonian abducted by braniac and experimented on, I mean not go overboard with braniac, just use him for the purpose of backstory for doomsday, have braniac program doomsday to seek out and destroy kal el. Have him give him one days warning to come out and face him or earth would pay the penalty, I know this is a little zod esque, but unlike zod doomsday actually kills superman.

They could even save the braniac sup plot for post death him looking into doomsdays orgins upon his return.

[The Kid]

I would like to have seen luthor dabble in politics, his greatest rival is dead, why bother with what he views now as the small stuff he can move on to bigger and better things.

Yes. I couldn't believe my eyes when I came here and saw people defending wacky wig wearing luthor 2.0. This is bryan Singer we're talking about, the man who had xavier and magneto sitting down playing chess as a metaphor for their rivalry. Good grief, what posessed him to rehash the old school luthor I'll never know...

Not a bad idea... I'd have preferred anything closer to the comic and further from the old movie.

As for doomsday, I agree about him just being a random killing machine should be open to change.

I have my views on this I wrote in a thread a year ago that's now deep in the bottom of the hype rotting in cyber hell... it was something about superman meeting his opposite, not just bizarro but something that's purely evil, no remorse, no pity, just a bad mo fo pure and simple and I like that. It's not as if superman's the most complex superhero in the world. He's the ultimate good guy. To me doomsday's the ultimate bad guy and when they clash, it's telling me when two opposites do battle, neither side truly wins. that's why I took from it anyway. I liked how superman couldn't solve the problem without giving himself up. "It's him or me." damn if that isn't something superman would say when facing the devil himself. I can't wait for that new movie.

I would like to see them have him be formerly a kryptonian abducted by braniac and experimented on, I mean not go overboard with braniac, just use him for the purpose of backstory for doomsday, have braniac program doomsday to seek out and destroy kal el. Have him give him one days warning to come out and face him or earth would pay the penalty, I know this is a little zod esque, but unlike zod doomsday actually kills superman.

They could even save the braniac sup plot for post death him looking into doomsdays orgins upon his return.

I'm thinking that's plausible. What was doomsday, a science project or something? I can't remember exactly. All I know is he should not just fall out of the sky like the symbiote. That's just retarded. I'm of half a mind for Richard to become Doomsday... why not...

[S_H_F_4839]

I'm thinking that's plausible. What was doomsday, a science project or something? I can't remember exactly. All I know is he should not just fall out of the sky like the symbiote. That's just retarded. I'm of half a mind for Richard to become Doomsday... why not...

I could see richard, realizing that its not his son and leave and do a bit of soul searching and in the process being grabbed for the purpose of experimentation, even have braniac set up a base on the kryptonian island flying in space, for the purpose of watching his plan come to fruitition.

[superbaby]

pls spare richard.