Congressman Decides To Take Oath On Koran; Conservatives Pissed

[raybia]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/muslim.elect/index.html

[maxwell's demon]

:up:

[Tuck&Benny]

Last night I was thinking about all of the War video games being released and came to the conclusion that it's just a matter of time before they create like a futuristic war epic game a la Halo that's like "Future Freedom Fight" or some stupid ****. And the game has US soldiers with all these futuristic weapons fighting an army of giant cyborgs with lazer eyes, but all the cyborgs wear turbans. This vision of a future video game release made me scared for our nation as a culturally acceptable place to live.

That's why this news makes me :)

[Daisy]

Does dis make me proud? You betcha it does! :)

[Iceman]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/muslim.elect/index.html

Surprising and encouraging.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This story actually makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. :up: Congrats!:woot:

[Motown Marvel]

hell yeah! here's for hoping he does a god job.

[Erundur]

Thats great news, the more the diversity the better understanding that we can have for one another.

[sinewave]

now they're infiltrating our government?!! :wow:

[Erundur]

now they're infiltrating our government?!! :wow:

We already have, he's the 2nd Muslim in government, muahahaha :ninja:

[sinewave]

We already have, he's the 2nd Muslim in government, muahahaha :ninja:

the world is doomed!

but seriously, good for him. :up:

[C.F. Kane]

My faith in America has just been restored. What a great day.

[Future Prez]

I was just reading this article a few minutes ago. Very interesting to say the least. He started as a Catholic, but converted to Islam after he went to college. Wonder how many other people share a similar story.

[Dew k. Mosi]

Stop, NOW!

Discuss the article. Keep the religion bashing for or against OFF THIS FORUM or I will not probate, I will BAN!

[raybia]

I was just reading this article a few minutes ago. Very interesting to say the least. He started as a Catholic, but converted to Islam after he went to college. Wonder how many other people share a similar story.


From my understanding, many American troops that are stationed in Iraq.

[Boom]

Congrats.

[Matt]

From my understanding, many American troops that are stationed in Iraq.

Really? Now that is interesting.

[Gamma Ray]

Really? Now that is interesting.



Believe half the stuff you see, and nothing that you read.

[raybia]

Believe half the stuff you see, and nothing that you read.


In other words, Matt, please disregard that last post you read by Gammy Ray. :cwink:

[Odin's Lawyer]

November 28, 2006
A first for America...The Koran replaces the Bible at swearing-in oath
What book will America base it's values on, the Bible or the Koran?
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America, Not Keith Ellison, decides what book a congressman takes his oath on (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2006/11/28/america,_not_keith_ellison,_decides_what_book_a_co ngressman_takes_his_oath_on)
By Dennis Prager - Tuesday, November 28, 2006

Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.

He should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization.

First, it is an act of hubris that perfectly exemplifies multiculturalist activism -- my culture trumps America's culture. What Ellison and his Muslim and leftist supporters are saying is that it is of no consequence what America holds as its holiest book; all that matters is what any individual holds to be his holiest book.

Forgive me, but America should not give a hoot what Keith Ellison's favorite book is. Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress. In your personal life, we will fight for your right to prefer any other book. We will even fight for your right to publish cartoons mocking our Bible. But, Mr. Ellison, America, not you, decides on what book its public servants take their oath.

Devotees of multiculturalism and political correctness who do not see how damaging to the fabric of American civilization it is to allow Ellison to choose his own book need only imagine a racist elected to Congress. Would they allow him to choose Hitler's "Mein Kampf," the Nazis' bible, for his oath? And if not, why not? On what grounds will those defending Ellison's right to choose his favorite book deny that same right to a racist who is elected to public office?

Of course, Ellison's defenders argue that Ellison is merely being honest; since he believes in the Koran and not in the Bible, he should be allowed, even encouraged, to put his hand on the book he believes in. But for all of American history, Jews elected to public office have taken their oath on the Bible, even though they do not believe in the New Testament, and the many secular elected officials have not believed in the Old Testament either. Yet those secular officials did not demand to take their oaths of office on, say, the collected works of Voltaire or on a volume of New York Times editorials, writings far more significant to some liberal members of Congress than the Bible. Nor has one Mormon official demanded to put his hand on the Book of Mormon. And it is hard to imagine a scientologist being allowed to take his oath of office on a copy of "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard.

So why are we allowing Keith Ellison to do what no other member of Congress has ever done -- choose his own most revered book for his oath?

The answer is obvious -- Ellison is a Muslim. And whoever decides these matters, not to mention virtually every editorial page in America, is not going to offend a Muslim. In fact, many of these people argue it will be a good thing because Muslims around the world will see what an open society America is and how much Americans honor Muslims and the Koran.

This argument appeals to all those who believe that one of the greatest goals of America is to be loved by the world, and especially by Muslims because then fewer Muslims will hate us (and therefore fewer will bomb us).

But these naive people do not appreciate that America will not change the attitude of a single American-hating Muslim by allowing Ellison to substitute the Koran for the Bible. In fact, the opposite is more likely: Ellison's doing so will embolden Islamic extremists and make new ones, as Islamists, rightly or wrongly, see the first sign of the realization of their greatest goal -- the Islamicization of America.

When all elected officials take their oaths of office with their hands on the very same book, they all affirm that some unifying value system underlies American civilization. If Keith Ellison is allowed to change that, he will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11. It is hard to believe that this is the legacy most Muslim Americans want to bequeath to America. But if it is, it is not only Europe that is in trouble. (End Commentary)

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And here's a video clip of nutjob Glenn Beck all but accusing this poor guy of being a terrorist. As per usual though, Beck's comments are unwarranted and simply brought out for the sake of creating controversy. Pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJymFAeKfBI

[Ben Urich]

Who gives a damn what book he takes the oath on? :huh:
What a stupid ****ing complaint. :down

[SoulManX]

Oye....

[StorminNorman]

This makes me sick, what was worse was listening to Hannity compare the Koran to Mein Kaumf ("if a Nazi wanted to use Mien Kaumf, would you be okay with it?" - Hannity)

[Abaddon]

Disgusting.

[DareDemon]

A great writer AND he hides his prejudice well! Good show!

[Matt]

...sigh.

[Cаrter]

Trying to care.....unsuccessful

[Addendum]

I don't see the problem. If an atheist got elected to congress, and decided to swear an oath using a copy of the constitution and the declaration of independence, would conservatives say the same thing?

[Cyclops]

Of course. Because the more extreme conservatives (a minority of conservatives, but a very vocal one at that) want a theocracy, no matter how much they may say otherwise.

It's stupid. Congressmen can swear on a copy of the Bell Atlantic Yellow Pages for all I care.

[Mee]

Plenty of people swear on the Bible who aren't really Christians, so in the grand scheme of things I don't think it's that big a deal.

[psychocheeseman]

ah...you do realise Townhall.com is an openly right wing neo conservative site which openly admits to wanting to enforce its strict ideology upon others, hardly a good sight to be using as a source of opinion.

people should swear on the back of whatever they feel they will respect. There would be no point in swearing to tell the truth on something you have no faith in, (i don't just mean in a religious sence)

[LuiECuomo]

"people should swear on the back of whatever they feel they will respect."


That makes sense. But I guess looking back now, when Clinton was inaugurated, he should have sworn on a copy of Hustler. :P

[thedeadite]

someone already made the point that i was going to make...but i'll restate it anyway...

Wouldn't it make alot more sense to have someone swear over a text that they respect and live by rather than a book that (to them) is arbitrary and holds little value. That's like asking a christian to swear over a copy of Hop on Pop and expect that vow to hold meaning.

[Cyclops]

But that's the problem with radical conservative Christians. They can't comprehend that anyone would hold meaning in anything other than what they hold meaning in.

To them, everybody except them is wrong and everyone should kowtow to their way of thinking. So they not only want a theocracy, but a totalitarian theocracy at that.

[logansoldcigar]

do you allow different oaths in court?
we have oaths for all the major denominations (dunno about scientologists, and the government refused to accept "Jedi" as a religion, although more than 10k people claimed to bein the last census, so it should be recognised)
we even have an atheists oath in court.
I suspect this is more about him being a muslim, IMO. If he were a buddhist, im not sure that there would such an objection if he wanted to swear on some kind of sacred scroll, or whatever passes as a holy book for the buddhists)



OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO here's one: as satanism is basically an ofshoot of christianity , what would they do if someone wanted to swear on the satanists bible?

[Cyclops]

Keel over and die, probably. Quick! Someone get a Satanist's Bible!

[Wilhelm-Scream]

GET.THE.BIBLE.OUT.OF.GOVERNMENT.

Seperation of church and state my ass

[Mr Sparkle]

your punctuation is dead on tonight

[Mr Sparkle]

unlike mine. (see? comedic timing, you freaks won't appreciate it though)

[Corinthian™]

You know? In the next census I'm going to say that I follow the religion of Jedi

[Addendum]

What about the old ones?

[Motown Marvel]

okay....so i read the first sentence of the article....taking his oath on anything other than the bible undermines american civilization? bulls#!t. what undermines the american civilization is these politicians abusing their term to line their pockets by perversing their position and duty for their own personal corrupt means. the bible, the koran, the torah, an issue of f**king highlights, who f**king cares....its not gonna change how well or poorly they perform their job.

[Mr Sparkle]

What book will America base it's values on, the Bible or the Koran?


YEAH! which, the one with the bloodthirsty god or the.....um.....one with the bloodthirsty god.

so many choices, it's like Olive garden but with deities.

[Superman]

I say good for him, If he wants to take the oath on the Koran and that makes him happy then more power to him. It's his right to take the oath on anything he wants. :up: :yay:

[Spider-Bite]

If I was elected to office I would swear on the constitution. This is a ridiculous complaint. America only cares about one book? America is diverse.

Freaking idiots.

[danielisthor]

You know? In the next census I'm going to say that I follow the religion of Jedi


I'm going to pronounce myself as a Sith.

Technically, they shouldn't be taking an oath on any religious book.

[Erundur]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Don't go to the darkside, the jedi way is SOOOOOOOOOOO much better :up:

[jaguarr]

Good grief. Radical conservative Christians are ruining this country and I find their actions and words themselves HIGHLY un-American.

jag

[Maximum Carnage]

Radical Conservative Christians. Ugh.

I used to be part of the Jehovah Witness cult when I was younger, I don't know which one is better? :huh:

[zanos]

I can't freaking wait until a scientologist gets sweared in and he brings in one of L.Ron Hubbard's science fiction books. LOL.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I say good for him, If he wants to take the oath on the Koran and that makes him happy then more power to him. It's his right to take the oath on anything he wants. :up: :yay:So if he wanted to take an oath on a Playboy or a copy of Fight Club, you'd smile, extend your thumb and trust that his oath was sincere?

[Darthphere]

I swear oaths on a copy of Sarah Plain and Tall.

[Reaper]

To them, everybody except them is wrong and everyone should kowtow to their way of thinking. So they not only want a theocracy, but a totalitarian theocracy at that.

A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black

[Addendum]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0517226952.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1108549558_.jpg
Swear an oath on this and you have my trust

[Babs Gordon]

i can't stand this malarky. writers like these, both extreme left and extreme right and extreme lack of common sense should can it.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

i can't stand this malarky. writers like these, both extreme left and extreme right and extreme lack of common sense should can it.No way!:huh:
They should write whatever they want.
What a crap world you envision, where only sensible, moderate people should express their opinions. :down

Columnist #1: "Timmy swore on a Quran, and that's super for him."
Pundit #1: "Timmy swore on a Quran and if that's what he wants to do, neat!"
Anchorman #1: "Timmy swore on a Quran today."
Columnist #2: "Timmy swore on a Quran and if that's what he wants to do?...neat."
Pundit #2: "Timmy swore on a Quran today. Quite nice. Causes me no pain.:up:"
Anchorman #2: "Timmy swore on a Quran yesterday afternoon."

BO-ring.:down

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^ You have a point it is an opinion piece...a piece I happen to disagree with but hey it's america/ a pretty much free country. You know what your getting into if you live in one of those.

[Superman]

So if he wanted to take an oath on a Playboy or a copy of Fight Club, you'd smile, extend your thumb and trust that his oath was sincere?Why not? It would be just as trustworthy as doing it on the bible. If he's going to lie about his oath it ain't going to matter what book he takes it on. He can lie just as easily on the bible as he can on a copy of fight club.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Why not? It would be just as trustworthy as doing it on the bible. If he's going to lie about his oath it ain't going to matter what book he takes it on. He can lie just as easily on the bible as he can on a copy of fight club.Right answer. The whole ritual is retarded.:up:

[Spider-Bite]

So if he wanted to take an oath on a Playboy or a copy of Fight Club, you'd smile, extend your thumb and trust that his oath was sincere?

That's a ridiculous comparison. I'd expect anybody being elected to office to at least take the oath seriously and be professional about it. I don't really like the fact that any of our leaders are swearing on a religous book of any kind. The koran bothers me no more than the bible.

But it's not worth complaining about. If your swearing in on porn, I'd call you a joke.

big difference and it's ridiculous comparison.

[Spider-Bite]

Why not? It would be just as trustworthy as doing it on the bible. If he's going to lie about his oath it ain't going to matter what book he takes it on. He can lie just as easily on the bible as he can on a copy of fight club.

Swearing somebody in office should be taken seriously. yeah our leaders are corrupt, that doesn't mean we make a mockery of the system.

[Addendum]

Right. We let our "elected leaders" make a mockery of it

[Corinthian™]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWugyKlBM18

[Odin's Lawyer]

YEAH! which, the one with the bloodthirsty god or the.....um.....one with the bloodthirsty god.

so many choices, it's like Olive garden but with deities.
I think I'll go with Reality drizzled with the creamy sanity sauce, but my friend here will have the usual White God with a side order of genocide. Hold the press.

[Addendum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWugyKlBM18
The dude holding that book looks like Kevin Nealon

[Cyclops]

A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black

Please elaborate.

This oughtta be pretty good.

[Darthphere]

Please elaborate.

This oughtta be pretty good.


Apparently youre a totalitarian theocracy.:huh:

[Jolie_Desastre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWugyKlBM18

the way parody movies are supposed to be done ^^ :up:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

That's a ridiculous comparison. I'd expect anybody being elected to office to at least take the oath seriously and be professional about it. I don't really like the fact that any of our leaders are swearing on a religous book of any kind. The koran bothers me no more than the bible.

But it's not worth complaining about. If your swearing in on porn, I'd call you a joke.

big difference and it's ridiculous comparison.*sigh*
Yeah, it's easy to make fool of yourself when you step in on someone else's conversation without knowing the context.

I wasn't making a "comparison" :huh:
I was responding to Superman, who said:

It's his right to take the oath on anything he wants.

So I was holding him to it to see if he really meant "ANYthing".
No one was comparing anything, we were talking about whether or not Superman sees the placing of one's hand on one book as any more significant than the placing of one's hand on another.
He doesn't, so all was clarified to my satisfaction. :)

[Mr Sparkle]

but.....but Fight Club IS my bible.:(

:confused:

[Dan33977]

I hate radical religious conservatives. They're the terrorists, in my opinion.

[NyteWing]

Conservatives can suck it. And I am a quasi-conservative. But no, I won't suck it.

[Cyclops]

Apparently youre a totalitarian theocracy.:huh:

Well, I do force my religious beliefs on my subjects with a harsh, iron fist...

[Manic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWugyKlBM18
Shoot, that jive foo' swo' up 'n down on the book of johnny law!

Shiiiiiiiit!

[Caliber]

GET.THE.BIBLE.OUT.OF.GOVERNMENT.

Seperation of church and state my ass

They can't, even though they screw their pages and mistresses, yet conservatives say they uphold morals.

[ord0g]

I don't see the problem. In Australia when you perform a civil service such a jury duty you can take an oath on the bible or whatever you want. There's like 40 or so different alternatives.

[comicgirl]

This makes me sick, what was worse was listening to Hannity compare the Koran to Mein Kaumf ("if a Nazi wanted to use Mien Kaumf, would you be okay with it?" - Hannity)He's a pig with a microphone:cmad:

[raybia]

November 28, 2006
A first for America...The Koran replaces the Bible at swearing-in oath
What book will America base it's values on, the Bible or the Koran?
Please take a moment to read the following TownHall.com (http://www.townhall.com/) column by Dennis Prager, who is a Jew. After reading the column, take the suggest action at the bottom of this email. After you have read it, please forward it to your friends and family.

America, Not Keith Ellison, decides what book a congressman takes his oath on (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2006/11/28/america,_not_keith_ellison,_decides_what_book_a_co ngressman_takes_his_oath_on)
By Dennis Prager - Tuesday, November 28, 2006

Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.

He should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization.

First, it is an act of hubris that perfectly exemplifies multiculturalist activism -- my culture trumps America's culture. What Ellison and his Muslim and leftist supporters are saying is that it is of no consequence what America holds as its holiest book; all that matters is what any individual holds to be his holiest book.

Forgive me, but America should not give a hoot what Keith Ellison's favorite book is. Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress. In your personal life, we will fight for your right to prefer any other book. We will even fight for your right to publish cartoons mocking our Bible. But, Mr. Ellison, America, not you, decides on what book its public servants take their oath.

Devotees of multiculturalism and political correctness who do not see how damaging to the fabric of American civilization it is to allow Ellison to choose his own book need only imagine a racist elected to Congress. Would they allow him to choose Hitler's "Mein Kampf," the Nazis' bible, for his oath? And if not, why not? On what grounds will those defending Ellison's right to choose his favorite book deny that same right to a racist who is elected to public office?

Of course, Ellison's defenders argue that Ellison is merely being honest; since he believes in the Koran and not in the Bible, he should be allowed, even encouraged, to put his hand on the book he believes in. But for all of American history, Jews elected to public office have taken their oath on the Bible, even though they do not believe in the New Testament, and the many secular elected officials have not believed in the Old Testament either. Yet those secular officials did not demand to take their oaths of office on, say, the collected works of Voltaire or on a volume of New York Times editorials, writings far more significant to some liberal members of Congress than the Bible. Nor has one Mormon official demanded to put his hand on the Book of Mormon. And it is hard to imagine a scientologist being allowed to take his oath of office on a copy of "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard.

So why are we allowing Keith Ellison to do what no other member of Congress has ever done -- choose his own most revered book for his oath?

The answer is obvious -- Ellison is a Muslim. And whoever decides these matters, not to mention virtually every editorial page in America, is not going to offend a Muslim. In fact, many of these people argue it will be a good thing because Muslims around the world will see what an open society America is and how much Americans honor Muslims and the Koran.

This argument appeals to all those who believe that one of the greatest goals of America is to be loved by the world, and especially by Muslims because then fewer Muslims will hate us (and therefore fewer will bomb us).

But these naive people do not appreciate that America will not change the attitude of a single American-hating Muslim by allowing Ellison to substitute the Koran for the Bible. In fact, the opposite is more likely: Ellison's doing so will embolden Islamic extremists and make new ones, as Islamists, rightly or wrongly, see the first sign of the realization of their greatest goal -- the Islamicization of America.

When all elected officials take their oaths of office with their hands on the very same book, they all affirm that some unifying value system underlies American civilization. If Keith Ellison is allowed to change that, he will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11. It is hard to believe that this is the legacy most Muslim Americans want to bequeath to America. But if it is, it is not only Europe that is in trouble. (End Commentary)

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And here's a video clip of nutjob Glenn Beck all but accusing this poor guy of being a terrorist. As per usual though, Beck's comments are unwarranted and simply brought out for the sake of creating controversy. Pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJymFAeKfBI

Awww, poor baby. Want some cheese with that wine?

Well, this by no means upsets me. In fact, I take great satisfaction that there things happening in both our country and world that are exposing the truth about our society and the people in them.

This guy has exposed himself for the bigot that he is, but thats not his biggest problem. The problem that he has and people like him is that the America that he knows and loves is slowly slipping through his fingers.

They see that its changing and they cannot stop it in spite of all of their efforts.

They are scared because that know that when its all said and done, America will be a society that doesn't have a place for them.

Like it or not, America is in the process of a transformation and whether he wants to acknowledge it or not multi-culturalism is America's culture.

Its also hiliarious that Prager, fights to retain the use of a book to be sweared into that he himself does not believe it. That suggest to me, that its not Christianity that he's defending but its what he is trying to deny.

This guy's spitting into the wind. :hyper:

[Armand Z Trip]

When I was sworn in as a congressman, I took my oath while holding a copy of the December 1999 Playboy, the one with the Naomi Campbell pictures. I had just finished reading Wynton Marsalis' piece on Duke Eliington and was called to swear the oath just as I was beginning to read the Ben Affleck interview. Nobody seemed to mind, and I as far as I know American culture and civilization are still around.

[samurai black]

This uproar shows that no matter how far we think we've come as a society, we are still years away from being a society that respects each other differences and doesn't feel the need to force one's views upon another.

[Memphis Slim]

I saw this coming when Ellison was elected.

[Mr Sparkle]

so....um...I don't get it, aren't People in the us afraid of evil Muslims because they want to "convert" them, but they would uh.....make a Muslim take an oath on a bible? isn't that kinda sorta......strange?

man, this modern world confuses the **** out of me.

[Badger]

I don't understand what all the fuss is about; they are going to let him take the oath on the Koran, right? Just because some dumbass with a pen and a piece of paper doesn't like it, so what? We will never get rid of the crazy right-wing bible thumping fascists, and never should. The same 'Rights' the congressman is using to take his oath on the Koran, are the same this 'Rights' this derelict is using.

[Manic]

I don't understand what all the fuss is about; they are going to let him take the oath on the Koran, right? Just because some dumbass with a pen and a piece of paper doesn't like it, so what? We will never get rid of the crazy right-wing bible thumping fascists, and never should. The same 'Rights' the congressman is using to take his oath on the Koran, are the same this 'Rights' this derelict is using.
We're not saying that this Neo-Con idiot should have his right to irrationally complain stripped from him. We're saying he's an idiot, and he's making the rest of us Americans look bad.

[Darren Daring]

Noone makes you look bad but you.

[Addendum]

Article 6 of the Constitution- The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Four presidents have been inaugurated without swearing an oath on the Bible. Franklin Pierce was affirmed, and swore no oath, Rutherford Hayes initially had a private ceremony with no Bible before his public ceremony, Theodore Roosevelt had no Bible at his ceremony, and Lyndon Johnson used a missal during his first term.

Linda Lingle, Governor of Hawaii, took the oath of office on a Torah in 2001. Madeleine Kunin, a Jewish Immigrant and Governor of Vermont "rested her left hand on a stack of old prayer books that had belonged to her mother, grandparents, and great grandfather" as "a physical expression of the weight of Jewish history."

I guess the guy who wrote that article wasn't that good in history classes

[kainedamo]

Is this actually for real??

See, this is why! This is why people look down on America. This just wouldn't happen in Britain.

When I was sworn in as a juror, I had the choice of the Bible, any other religious book, or just affirming. I chose to affirm, since I don't believe in God. If I had sworn on the Bible, I would have been a liar and a hypocrite.

If this Muslim guy had sworn on the Bible, he would have been a liar and a hypocrite. What the **** is the point in swearing on the Bible if you don't mean it???

[raybia]

Article 6 of the Constitution- The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Four presidents have been inaugurated without swearing an oath on the Bible. Franklin Pierce was affirmed, and swore no oath, Rutherford Hayes initially had a private ceremony with no Bible before his public ceremony, Theodore Roosevelt had no Bible at his ceremony, and Lyndon Johnson used a missal during his first term.

Linda Lingle, Governor of Hawaii, took the oath of office on a Torah in 2001. Madeleine Kunin, a Jewish Immigrant and Governor of Vermont "rested her left hand on a stack of old prayer books that had belonged to her mother, grandparents, and great grandfather" as "a physical expression of the weight of Jewish history."

I guess the guy who wrote that article wasn't that good in history classes

Maybe, but I suspect this wouldn't matter to him. But the same rights that allow Ellison to use the Qur'an to take his oath, is the same rights that he is using to express him opinion.

So, I think the best way to deal with this guy is to just ignore him, because he made this statement in order to create an uproar.

[Mr Sparkle]

Is this actually for real??
See, this is why! This is why people look down on America. This just wouldn't happen in Britain.


dude It SOOOO would, It would happen anywhere actually.
it's just accentuated in the US.

[raybia]

Is this actually for real??


If this Muslim guy had sworn on the Bible, he would have been a liar and a hypocrite. What the **** is the point in swearing on the Bible if you don't mean it???


Actually no. Al-Islam teaches us to believe in the revelation of the Torah and the Gospel, and Psalms. So we are taught to believe in the bible and taking an oath on it wouldn't be hypocrital but it would make more sense to use the Qur'an as a Muslim since that book is what are life is bound to.

[Manic]

Noone makes you look bad but you.
Care to clarify? Because to imply that there are not idiots out there dumb enough to generalize Americans based on the words and actions of the misguided few is just plain naive.

[Darren Daring]

Care to clarify? Because to imply that there are not idiots out there dumb enough to generalize Americans based on the words and actions of the misguided few is just plain naive.

Well, Only an idiot would take the word of those idiots. And that Seocnd idiot isn't someone I want to be socializing with:cmad:

[Mister Sinister]

Devotees of multiculturalism and political correctness who do not see how damaging to the fabric of American civilization it is to allow Ellison to choose his own book need only imagine a racist elected to Congress. Would they allow him to choose Hitler's "Mein Kampf," the Nazis' bible, for his oath? And if not, why not? On what grounds will those defending Ellison's right to choose his favorite book deny that same right to a racist who is elected to public office?
If there was a Nazi in congress, what they take the oath in should be the LEAST of America's worries.

[Addendum]

And in North Carolina, the Notary Public has a written code for swearing in: "A person taking an oath should place one hand on the Holy Scriptures. This book will vary depending on the person's religious beliefs: Christians should use the New Testament or the Bible; Jews, the Torah or the Old Testament; Moslems, the Koran; Hindus, the Bhagavad-Gita; etc."

[Darthphere]

I think we should swear on this:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000002IYI.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1115561883_.jpg

[Darren Daring]

Is that Donal Logue?

[raybia]

And in North Carolina, the Notary Public has a written code for swearing in: "A person taking an oath should place one hand on the Holy Scriptures. This book will vary depending on the person's religious beliefs: Christians should use the New Testament or the Bible; Jews, the Torah or the Old Testament; Moslems, the Koran; Hindus, the Bhagavad-Gita; etc."

So this yahoo either wants to take this right away from the states or just the rights for Muslims to use the Qu'ran to take an oath. Either way, if this guy had his way, America would be an Tyrant.

[Darthphere]

Is that Donal Logue?


Sadly no.