Stop Motion Hulk

[thorstone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/nemo_83/incrediblehulk.jpg

This is the direction I'd take the look of the green Hulk (I'd have the Grey Hulk transformation with harder angles).

I just can't see any going back to a man in makeup and a suit. The only way they could do something like that is to get someone like Rick Baker or Stan Winston to create a fifteen foot tall free form animatronic puppet. Both have created some large animatronics in the past but never something so big and mobile at the same time.

So why do I think stop motion is the best direction? Computers have advanced in the past ten years, they can now be used to enhance mapping effects and stop motion-- rather than trying to do everything from scratch on the computer.

http://www.darkstrider.net/gallery2a.html

[Nivek]

1- No 15 ft. tall Hulk. It's just too damn big.

2- Stop Motion? Sorry man, thats as dead as VHS, let's go forward.

3- Rick Baker WANTS to do the Hulk. If the produsers of this movie want it to be better FX wise, they would be fools not to hire him as FX designer and give him whatever he needs to do the Hulk justice.

[thorstone]

The Hulk has to be big; he has to be larger than any person.

I had no idea Baker wanted to do the Hulk.

I think it is time the new tech (CGI) be used to perfect the old (stop motion animation).

[Walks Unseen]

I think stop motion, even with the advanced computer technology we have today, would look a bit...weird.

[Majik1387]

^Looked good in Corpse Bride.

[Walks Unseen]

But Corpse Bride was meant to look like stop motion. Can you really imagine a clay Hulk in a film today?? Really??

[Majik1387]

I wouldn't rule it out till I saw a prototype, but I understand why some people wouldn't like to consider it.

[Walks Unseen]

I'm not saying not to consider it but I just don't see it working with a live action film like Hulk.

[Abaddon]

lol, I'm having flashbacks to Clash of the Titans.

[Spider - Man]

Isn't Rick Baker mainly a make-up effects guy?

[thorstone]

Baker made an incredible (sorry for the pun) puppet/bot for Mighty Joe Young, but it was as mobile as Jabba the Hutt.


Thanks to today's technology stop motion marionettes can fit in scenes with actors via blue screen and mapping just as well as any CGI character (you probably couldn't even tell in King Kong when the backgrounds were layers of miniatures and paintings-- the actors were simply dropped in later via computer). The issue with CGI is always, is it real enough, does it look fake-- with the stop motion model you never have an issue with detail because it is all fleshed out (I'd imagine the Hulk model used would be quite large).

Computers could be used to have Hulk interact with fluids, fire, and smoke. Perhaps his hair would be best done on the computers as well. Computers can do things like steel and buildings and make them look real but they don't handle flesh well.

I feel there must be a mix of all fields. Actors interact with CGI characters about as well as they have ever worked with marionettes-- when you have a scene where the actor must touch the monster (use a freaking puppet-- that is where Baker or Stan Winston come in).

[Nivek]

The biggest compositing issue with the Hulk wasn't how he matched up with everything, it was his color. Color tracking has a really hard time with green. Just keep him a static size and color, and there shouldn't be that much of a problem.

[Stripesy Strip]

If they get away from the CGI Hulk, and they actually get a person and put him in make-up and prostetics, it could be a stunning result. I've watched Ridley Scott's Legend recently and it had so many incredible make-up work in there, especially the awesomely scary filthy green witch. If they could do something of that level and have a practical methamorphosis like the one in the werewolf movie "The Howling" it could be as impressive as anything we've seen in the first Hulk movie.

[DACMAN]

1- No 15 ft. tall Hulk. It's just too damn big.

2- Stop Motion? Sorry man, thats as dead as VHS, let's go forward.

3- Rick Baker WANTS to do the Hulk. If the produsers of this movie want it to be better FX wise, they would be fools not to hire him as FX designer and give him whatever he needs to do the Hulk justice.
:up:

[Nivek]

It's kinda sad that people think Stop motion is a viable fx style to composite next to human actors. Watch any puppetmaster movie, it's dead. It's as bad as the people who used to come into the Suncoast I worked part time at and griped about why there was no VHS copies of new releases.

[thorstone]

I'd use the computer for morphing the actor into the Hulk-- one of the first good uses of CGI in a movie (Willow).

"Watch any puppetmaster movie, it's dead."

Why would you compare a big budget film to a twenty year old Full Moon flick?

The last time stop motion animation was used for a realistic creature effect in a bigger budgetted film was Coneheads-- and it looked more realistic than the Incredible Poodle.

[atreestump]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/nemo_83/incrediblehulk.jpg

This is the direction I'd take the look of the green Hulk (I'd have the Grey Hulk transformation with harder angles).

I just can't see any going back to a man in makeup and a suit. The only way they could do something like that is to get someone like Rick Baker or Stan Winston to create a fifteen foot tall free form animatronic puppet. Both have created some large animatronics in the past but never something so big and mobile at the same time.

So why do I think stop motion is the best direction? Computers have advanced in the past ten years, they can now be used to enhance mapping effects and stop motion-- rather than trying to do everything from scratch on the computer.

http://www.darkstrider.net/gallery2a.html


Dude Stop motion??? are you just starving for attention or something?
I mean seriously why even bring up that kind of obsolete and innaproproate kind of animation. next I bet you'd like comics to be all hand drawn right? :hulk:

[atreestump]

am I the only one who liked what they did with the first hulk movie??

[Majik1387]

am I the only one who liked what they did with the first hulk movie??
No, I liked the movie depiste Josh Lucas

[Brian Braddock]

am I the only one who liked what they did with the first hulk movie??

No, you're not. The CGI in the 1st film ranged in quality but at it's height (fore me, the best CGI was from breaking out of the underground base to being captured in San Fran) it was breathtaking, and that was with technology of 2002/03!

In answer to this thread, why go backwards and use stop-motion? It was great in it's day but has been made obsolete.............

[comic_guy04]

If they get away from the CGI Hulk, and they actually get a person and put him in make-up and prostetics, it could be a stunning result. I've watched Ridley Scott's Legend recently and it had so many incredible make-up work in there, especially the awesomely scary filthy green witch. If they could do something of that level and have a practical methamorphosis like the one in the werewolf movie "The Howling" it could be as impressive as anything we've seen in the first Hulk movie.

Well if Rick Baker is in talks for VFX, then it'l be more like An American Werewolf in London. IMO its better than "The Howling" effects, and it won many awards. Rick Baker is good at making gruesome transformations.

[PROLIFIK1]

I like the effects they used for the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for the Dr. Hyde character. I really never looked up on how they did it, but seemed like a cross of Fx and prosthetics. Looked believeable in a lot of scenes.

I like what they did with that, wish they did it for the first Hulk film.

[DACMAN]

I'd use the computer for morphing the actor into the Hulk-- one of the first good uses of CGI in a movie (Willow).


Willow was THE first. Watch the special features.

[ang_hulk]

I dont think hulk should be a real person unless he can be about 10 feet,run in the suit,jump and punch on his own and have perfect flow into the cgi when its needed.The thing is cgi comes a long way even since the first hulk film.He they stick to him being blue suit driven itll be fine.

[HULKFish]

No, you're not. The CGI in the 1st film ranged in quality but at it's height (fore me, the best CGI was from breaking out of the underground base to being captured in San Fran) it was breathtaking, and that was with technology of 2002/03!

In answer to this thread, why go backwards and use stop-motion? It was great in it's day but has been made obsolete.............

Good Take... Yeah, I agree and it's kind of a mook point, its not like that has been announced or anything. It's just this guys opinion, which I don't think would work.

CGI has come a long way since the first film. I have no doubt that everything will look perfect for this one! Not to mention the experience they have to apply now. Color = 1 , Size = 1 will undoubtedly make it much easier too.

[Obi-Ron]

Baker made an incredible (sorry for the pun) puppet/bot for Mighty Joe Young, but it was as mobile as Jabba the Hutt.




That doesn't sound very mobile at all. :huh:

[Norm3]

I hope they don't used Amalgamated Dynamics they did Alien Resurrection & Alien vs Predator. They are a poor mans Stan Winston!
Whenever they hack the Special Effects budget they use Amalgamated Dynamics because they must lowball everybody.

[Norm3]

The Hulk has to be big; he has to be larger than any person.
8 Foot should be the max. There are bo 8 footers that I know of on Earth.

[ezrael2001]

I like the effects they used for the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for the Dr. Hyde character. I really never looked up on how they did it, but seemed like a cross of Fx and prosthetics. Looked believeable in a lot of scenes.

I like what they did with that, wish they did it for the first Hulk film.

Thats a really good Idea. Mr Hyde worked really well. with the improved effects we have now, and a bigger budget, the hulk 2 would look great.
Having said that I had NO problem with the original effects. I think the critics were way to harsh. The scene where hulk busts out of the tank was simply mind blowing.

[nachoman]

I think stop motion is too old and the only really realistic stop motion I ever saw was on Jurassic Park.

Full CGI hulk mixed with animatronic hulk is best in my book.

The Mr Hyde in Van Helsing was much better than Mr Hyde in the league of gentlemen. If they make The hulk as big and realistic as him I would be happy . There has probably been further advances in CGI since then so he could probably look even better.

[nachoman]

I'm sick of idiots wanting the hulk to be 15 or 12ft tall. That is just so retarded! :cmad: God I despise Ang Lee for turning him into the jolly green giant in that movie.

The tallest human ever recorded wasn't even 9ft tall and if you stood next to a 9ft tall body builder, I doubt you wouldn't feel puny and tiny.

[Sava]

I'm sick of idiots wanting the hulk to be 15 or 12ft tall. That is just so retarded! :cmad: God I despise Ang Lee for turning him into the jolly green giant in that movie.

The tallest human ever recorded wasn't even 9ft tall and if you stood next to a 9ft tall body builder, I doubt you wouldn't feel puny and tiny.

lol... you must really hate the comics then

[Norm3]

lol... you must really hate the comics then Some of the current Artists seem to go to far. I want the Hulk the size he was in the 60s, 70s & 80s. That ranged from 6ft5" to 8ft max.

[Norm3]

This is the size I want.
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/31/31978/folders/268436/2136493hulk.JPG

[HULKFish]

except for the fact that that pic looks rediculous... No offense to the artist but DAM!! Couldn't they get a better look then that? LOL!! What the heck happened to his stomach??? He has a 2 pack lol!!

I get your point though... 9 foot max IMO, like the very first transformation in the first movie, that was perfect size except for the massive head!!

[Norm3]

Hey thats the great Gil Kane. Its the Inker that messed up his pencils. I just used it for size.

[Brian Braddock]

Gil Kane is a freakin legend in the comicbook world.

A pox on thee, HULKFish!

For shame. ;)

[Stripesy Strip]

About the size of the Hulk, I always saw wrestler Andre the Giant as the perfect model for Hulk. A geant but not as tall as a house, big but not like a body-builder a la Lou Feringo; more like a huge difformed freak.

[Casius--J]

LMAO how anyone could consider stop motion in this day and age is beyond me.

No just NO.

[Stripesy Strip]

LMAO how anyone could consider stop motion in this day and age is beyond me.

No just NO.

It's about having an open-mind :hyper:

[thatoneguy234]

hey Thorstone,

watch Jurassic Park on DVD. then watch the making of Jurassic Park and tell me if it had been better that they go with clay instead of cgi.

[thorstone]

I've seen the stop motion animation experiments they did with Jurassic Park and I liked them-- but that footage is no where near final.

On the plot of the new Hulk film, I can't imagine doing the film without other super characters (Captain America) and centering the plot around the red skulls and a certain mystical "infinity gauntlet" which serves as the only way to wield the hammer of Thor. We need some characters that the Hulk can fight like Wolverine, Thing, or Silver Surfer.

Judging from the recent quotes about the new look of the Hulk-- I wouldn't be surprised if they chose a duller green and never made him so tall he couldn't stand in a hall. Considering Norton is Bruce-- the Hulk's face may have longer sharper features.

I would prefer the Hulk's body and face be more ape like (it's a devolution). I'd chose a green that catches the light with a hint of yellow and orange.

In my mind the Hulk has to be big enough to grab both sides of an SUV and throw it.

http://www.azogscollection.com/priceguides/ss_marvel/hulk_spidey_dio.jpg
Maybe about this big

http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/087/a/0/hulk_by_nomichs.jpg

And I just thought this last one's hands were good

[Dangerous]

CGI is the way to go.
It is just more versatile/believable than stop motion,
..plus 15ft is too big, Hulk should be 8ft max.

Don't reckon we need to worry about this one happening tho...

[Steelsheen]

i agree, CG would be easier, faster and at the end of it all cheaper (not necessarily by equipment and materials, but by man hours)

[afan]

This is a photo of a 7'4" 320 lb woman living in Holland.
Posting it to impress the proportion of that height to "normal" people, and demonstrate just how impressive an 8' tall Hulk would be.

[Antonello Blueberry]

This is a photo of a 7'4" 320 lb woman living in Holland.
Posting it to impress the proportion of that height to "normal" people, and demonstrate just how impressive an 8' tall Hulk would be.
Why is she wearing high heels?
We have our She-Hulk for future movies.

[Norm3]

If he's made the right width he doesn't need to be bigger than 7'!