The Official Jorel Thread

[Lightning54SC]

Who would you choose... id go for Brian Cox.. he has a relationship already started with singer and heres a quick maniup... he kinda looks like brando and im sure he can sound liek him too with a little practice

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/9995/jorelcopyzf2.gif

[Kebab gud]

they can make brando say almost anything.. soo why change him out now?

Brando IS Jor EL and may he R.I.P

[Lightning54SC]

cuz brando needs to RIP no more tainted CGI

[DorkyFresh]

brilliant! i love Cox!!!


that didn't sound right...hehe. but no, seriously, i think he'd be awesome as Jor-El.

[bgshw44]

you have to keep Brando, end of story

[DorkyFresh]

i love when people use 'end of story' as if they have some kind of power to stop a topic or argument.

they don't HAVE to keep Brando...they don't HAVE to do anything, but i think it'd be a better move if Singer started seperating HIS Superman from Donners. one way to do that is to get a different actor to play, Jor-El.

[lujho]

I'm sick of old Man Jor-El. Next time... next reboot, I guess, I'd like to see a Jor-El who looks more like his son, in age and appearance.

I would have actually cast Johnny Depp if they'd done a reboot this time around. And he would have been a very different Jor-El indeed.

It's too late to re-cast within this series now though, especially with anyone too unlike Brando's version.

[DarkSuperman]

Exactly! Why the hell is Superman's father ALWAYS an old geezer in these films?! When in the comics his pops is always young and cool. Jor-El in appearance should LOOK a lot like Superman! Not a clean shaven Santa Claus.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Doomed.jpg

And Apparently so are the movies...

[NotFadeAway]

I'm sick of old Man Jor-El. Next time... next reboot, I guess, I'd like to see a Jor-El who looks more like his son, in age and appearance.

I would have actually cast Johnny Depp if they'd done a reboot this time around. And he would have been a very different Jor-El indeed.

It's too late to re-cast within this series now though, especially with anyone too unlike Brando's version.


Im with you all the way, Jor-El needs to be the same age as Superman at the time of his death.

[DorkyFresh]

if this were a restart, i would've like to have seen a younger Jor-El, but considering that we're stuck with a semi-sequel to the Donner movies (Routh resembles Reeve, Spacey resembles Hackman, same Fortress, same looking ship, etc...), for the sake of consistancy, i would like to see an elder Jor-El for the next movie....be it Cox, CGI Brando, or another fitting actor.

as long as he ain't TOO old...

edit: did a quick manip...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/cox-el.jpg

[Excel]

anthony hopkins

[sepharih]

First, this is all assuming that Jor-El will be making another appearance to begin with. I was under the impression that when the crystals were removed from the Fortress his essence went with them. His spirit was supposed to have been “embedded” in them, right?
That may not be the case, but that was the impression I got.

they can make brando say almost anything.. soo why change him out now?

They can make him look like he's saying almost anything, but they only have a limited amount of dialouge to work with. Even if they used the same technique from the last film, if they want him to speak anything new, they'll either have to purchase the rights to whatever recorded dialouge exists out there to do what they need (which at this point may actually belong to Brando’s estate) or they’ll need to hire a voice actor too fill in.

I definitely agree that resurrecting Brando was another mistake in the very long list of ones that stemmed from the choice to make a sequel to a 20 year old movie.

And yes, if he makes a return, Cox is an excellent suggestion.

[Freddy_Krueger]

First, this is all assuming that Jor-El will be making another appearance to begin with. I was under the impression that when the crystals were removed from the Fortress his essence went with them. His spirit was supposed to have been “embedded” in them, right?
That may not be the case, but that was the impression I got.





You're exactly right. The voices of the past are completely lost and closed to Superman now.

[Batman the 6th]

How about Ian McKellen? I think they should have the guy who plays Sylar on Heroes, he looks like Routh. Maybe have a flashback to the old days when Jor-El wasn't starting a family in his sixties.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Exactly! Why the hell is Superman's father ALWAYS an old geezer in these films?! When in the comics his pops is always young and cool. Jor-El in appearance should LOOK a lot like Superman! Not a clean shaven Santa Claus.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Doomed.jpg

And Apparently so are the movies...
jor-el is god and superman is jesus.

[The Kid]

Why do you say that?

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Why do you say that?
i watched the movies with the commintary on.

[The Kid]

Elaborate for me. Are you saying he literally is or can be compared to... etc.

[Motown Marvel]

i highly doubt jor-el will be making any appearances in future sequels.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Elaborate for me. Are you saying he literally is or can be compared to... etc.
compared to that is why he in older and has white hair, he was ment to like god, sending his son to earth to save mankind.

[The Kid]

It wasn't because his planet was about to go boom?

[Batman the 6th]

No one thinks Ian McKellen could do it? Heck, why not Terence Stamp, he does the voice on SV.

[DorkyFresh]

Ian McKellen - already Magneto, too old
Terence Stamp - you DO know he was Zod, right?

[Batman the 6th]

Yeah. He won't be Zod in a sequel, unless they make kryptonians age.

[SupermanCan]

Anthony Hopkins.

[DarkSuperman]

How come everyone always talks about making Superman like he is in the comics, but they just neglect the second most popular character his father? Jor-El has always been a young man similar in appearace to Superman. Period.

They need to just do it the right way or not at all. Donner gets a pass on the count of he made his movies before I was born and could ***** about it. Singer on the other hand isn't so lucky, He had 250 million dollars and all the potential in the world...and what does he give me? A dead Actor and some reused lines. If you see him on the street tell him I said "Thanks...For nothing."

[DorkyFresh]

How come everyone always talks about making Superman like he is in the comics, but they just neglect the second most popular character his father?
correction...the 2nd most popular character is either Lois Lane or Lex Luthor. more people know their names than they do Jor-El.

as for your lil' rant, i agree with you to an extent...but i wouldn't call Routh a dead actor. you're putting blame where it doesn't belong.

[DarkSuperman]

correction...the 2nd most popular character is either Lois Lane or Lex Luthor. more people know their names than they do Jor-El.

as for your lil' rant, i agree with you to an extent...but i wouldn't call Routh a dead actor. you're putting blame where it doesn't belong.

hahahaha, Routh isn't the "Dead Actor" Marlon Brando is...he's been deceased for quite a number of years.

[Dark Knight]

I'm sick of old Man Jor-El. Next time... next reboot, I guess, I'd like to see a Jor-El who looks more like his son, in age and appearance.

I would have actually cast Johnny Depp if they'd done a reboot this time around. And he would have been a very different Jor-El indeed.

It's too late to re-cast within this series now though, especially with anyone too unlike Brando's version.



Russell Crowe....

[<(o_o)>]

With the crystals to the FOS being lost in Returns Jor-El may never be used anymore. Maybe they could bring back Susannah York as "Lara" who played Superman's mother in 3 of the theatrical versions of the Superman movies. They could always use her older footage & dub new lines over her original dialogue. Brando's lines were great as Jor-El in all the movies but they will become to repetitive & over used if they use them for each new movie.

[WormyT]

"I used to think you were one of a kind, Kal El.........I was wrong"

[M.O.Steel]

i like the brian cox idea. Definitely use him.

[lujho]

Russell Crowe....

Would indeed be horribly miscast as Jor-El, yes.

[Andy C.]

I'd be perfectly happy with Jor-El staying dead this time. As effective as Brando's portrayal was, there's only so many times Superman needs to go to his mentor for advice before making his own way. It'd be like if Batman kept having more flashbacks of Thomas Wayne every time he got in a jam (yes, I know he did that in Begins, but imagine if they kept doing that in every movie)

[04nbod]

might as well get their moneys worth out of brando

[Lightning54SC]

i highly doubt jor-el will be making any appearances in future sequels.

ill prove he will.... remember theres 8 crystals but theres 9 holes in the FOS crystal table... could he have hidden the green crystal in smallville or accidently buried it when he buried the ship...hmmmmmmmmmmm

[sithgoblin]

They should get Gerard Christopher to play Jor-El.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/Gerard_Christopher.jpg/398px-Gerard_Christopher.jpg

[DarkSuperman]

They should get Gerard Christopher to play Jor-El.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/Gerard_Christopher.jpg/398px-Gerard_Christopher.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Doomed.jpg

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I can see him as a intelligent, kind hearted, but strong Leader AKA The Father of the Man of Steel. Smooth.

[hk_spyke]

I'd be perfectly happy with Jor-El staying dead this time. As effective as Brando's portrayal was, there's only so many times Superman needs to go to his mentor for advice before making his own way. It'd be like if Batman kept having more flashbacks of Thomas Wayne every time he got in a jam (yes, I know he did that in Begins, but imagine if they kept doing that in every movie)

they probbly will

[James Bond 007]

terence stamp should appear as jor-el in smallville, he'd make a great jor-el

[GreenKToo]

I would love to see a flashback of Jor-el when he was much younger.maybe show when Brainiac was created or something along those lines..question is,who could play a young Jor-el??I'm sick of old Man Jor-El. Next time... next reboot, I guess, I'd like to see a Jor-El who looks more like his son, in age and appearance.

I would have actually cast Johnny Depp if they'd done a reboot this time around. And he would have been a very different Jor-El indeed.

It's too late to re-cast within this series now though, especially with anyone too unlike Brando's version.

[James Bond 007]

are you talking about a young jor-el in the movies or smallville, cos if you're talking smallville there's already been a dreadfully misguided episode where tom welling played him. yeah, i believe THAT, so when he's younger he acts and sounds like tom welling, and then grows up sounding like terence stamp, what a ridiculous idea that was.

[GreenKToo]

^ no, i'm talking about the sequel.

[Brendan]

Here is my choice for Jor-El:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/Mattyg419/zordon.jpg

[<(o_o)>]

Here is my choice for Jor-El:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/Mattyg419/zordon.jpg

Anyone but Zordon. Maybe Jor-El escaped Krypton & came to earth & took on the identity of Zordon so maybe one day there will be a Superman meets the Power Rangers movie.:wow:

[blksuperman2]

They should get Gerard Christopher to play Jor-El.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/Gerard_Christopher.jpg/398px-Gerard_Christopher.jpg

An actual good idea. Superb.:ninja:

[Neto Magnus]

They should get Gerard Christopher to play Jor-El.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/Gerard_Christopher.jpg/398px-Gerard_Christopher.jpg
that's not bad. and plus he can use the work.:up:

[bgshw44]

I think Brando is necessary to explain the backstory of brainiac. Anyone think they will use some motion capture technology to create him as needed, or do you think he is done?

[Matt]

That would be even creepier than last time :-/

[Justice Bringer]

I think it would be great if he appeared one last time to speak with Kal-El directly for the final time (after the other crystals of the Jor-El program were destroyed).

They could use some of the cut dialogue from STM and SII.

[bgshw44]

I think it would be great if he appeared one last time to speak with Kal-El directly for the final time (after the other crystals of the Jor-El program were destroyed).

They could use some of the cut dialogue from STM and SII.


agree. for me there are three things that make a superman movie
1)Brando
2) John Williams Music
3) Powerful opening credits

[Matt]

Brando tried his hardest to escape these movies during his life. Why not honor that in his death? It was unfair of Warners to wait til the second he died to snatch up the footage and let Singer have free reign over it, and to do it again is just as bad.

[Justice Bringer]

I dont think Brando is necessary for a Superman movie per say; but since Superman Returns established that relationship between father and son but didnt give them a chance to converse for the final time; I'm hoping MoS allows that for a sense of closure.

The ending dialogue from the deleted Fortress Advice scene from STM would be great for Jor-El's final words to Superman.

[bunk]

Brando tried his hardest to escape these movies during his life. Why not honor that in his death? It was unfair of Warners to wait til the second he died to snatch up the footage and let Singer have free reign over it, and to do it again is just as bad.


Oh f***ing well. He shouldn't have done the movie then. I have no sympathy for Brando, he was well compensated for his time.

[bgshw44]

I dont think Brando is necessary for a Superman movie per say; but since Superman Returns established that relationship between father and son but didnt give them a chance to converse for the final time; I'm hoping MoS allows that for a sense of closure.

The ending dialogue from the deleted Fortress Advice scene from STM would be great for Jor-El's final words to Superman.

his dialogue is so damn powerful and i can never get bored of him as jor-el

[Matt]

I dont think Brando is necessary for a Superman movie per say; but since Superman Returns established that relationship between father and son but didnt give them a chance to converse for the final time; I'm hoping MoS allows that for a sense of closure.

The ending dialogue from the deleted Fortress Advice scene from STM would be great for Jor-El's final words to Superman.

I think you are missing an important point. Like all orphans, Superman shouldn't have a total sense of closure. There should always be a sense of uncertainty regarding Krypton, Jor-El, and Lara.

[Matt]

Oh f***ing well. He shouldn't have done the movie then. I have no sympathy for Brando, he was well compensated for his time.

He was compensated to do A movie. Not every movie involving Superman for 30 years. He didn't agree to this, plain and simple.

[Justice Bringer]

I think you are missing an important point. Like all orphans, Superman shouldn't have a total sense of closure. There should always be a sense of uncertainty regarding Krypton, Jor-El, and Lara.

There will always be uncertainty considering that last speech would mean the Jor-El program is completely gone and Kal-El will never get ALL the answers he needs; especially in regards to his latest Kryptonian foe.

[Matt]

There will always be uncertainty considering that last speech would mean the Jor-El program is completely gone and Kal-El will never get ALL the answers he needs; especially in regards to his latest Kryptonian foe.

I suppose, I've never seen the footage in question...but tearful goodbyes just don't do it for me. It comes off as hokey in my eyes.

[Justice Bringer]

Oh its not really a goodbye scene, it just works at one; some of the dialogue, if used in MOS.

Jor-El is describing to Kal-El some advice regarding his purpose on Earth and ends with "were it not for vanity why, I could embrace you in my arms...my son" and then he fades away:

It starts about 5 minutes into this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpQZpOPxLo

[Matt]

Oh its not really a goodbye scene, it just works at one; some of the dialogue, if used in MOS.

Jor-El is describing to Kal-El some advice regarding his purpose on Earth and ends with "were it not for vanity why, I could embrace you in my arms...my son" and then he fades away:

It starts about 5 minutes into this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpQZpOPxLo

I like the vanity line. Especially if it were done like TAS where Brainiac (and Krypton's refusal to believe their technology could be wrong) is what leads to it's destruction. None the less, I don't like the idea of using Brando against his wishes.

[bunk]

He was compensated to do A movie. Not every movie involving Superman for 30 years. He didn't agree to this, plain and simple.


Cry me a river. I wouldn't have paid him for the rest either. It was a hack job to begin with.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Wouldn't it be cool if they used a younger Jor-el to tell a backstory of Brainiac? Then it wouldn't tread on Brando either.

[Justice Bringer]

That would be cool but he would have to resemble Brando to some degree so it flows.

[bgshw44]

i hope they re create Brando either for dialogue or some holograms, because the texhnology is there and there is no one better, when he was on ,Brando was in his own league

[\S/JcDc\S/]

That would be cool but he would have to resemble Brando to some degree so it flows.

Slightly... More importantly must have a similar vocal tone.

[BH/HHH]

Definatly have some Brando footage, defo.

[ck51100]

He was compensated to do A movie. Not every movie involving Superman for 30 years. He didn't agree to this, plain and simple.

Actually he was paid to do two movies. :woot:

[bgshw44]

Definatly have some Brando footage, defo.

damn straight! he is marlon ****in brando!

[hammy]

I actually didn't like Brando in the movie. I'd prefer they started fresh and used somebody else.

[bgshw44]

I actually didn't like Brando in the movie. I'd prefer they started fresh and used somebody else.

it would have to be in a new franchise. you cant go frm using him to sing another actor

[hammy]

Oh yeah, I know. It's just, that footage is so old now. And I didn't like it to begin with. But meh. That's the least of my concerns with the movie. I could live with it.

[Justice Bringer]

I want Gene Hackman to play the US President too.

That'd be sweet.

[bgshw44]

Oh yeah, I know. It's just, that footage is so old now. And I didn't like it to begin with. But meh. That's the least of my concerns with the movie. I could live with it.

they could alwys do some motion capture stuff to make it look classic brando and use voice recordings to have him say what ever he wants

[bgshw44]

I want Gene Hackman to play the US President too.

That'd be sweet.

that would be awesome. Time to bulk this franchise up with a few more big names

[\S/JcDc\S/]

it would have to be in a new franchise. you cant go frm using him to sing another actor

Not really. If you go back a good 20 years and have a young Jor-el (maybe in a recorded counsel meeting or something) establishing a prediction to events of Krypton it would not have to be Brando. He would need to speak with the same "englishesque" accent and bare somewhat of a resemblance. BUT it would certainly be possible to go with a different actor in that case. Hope that is clear to understand what I mean.

[hammy]

Yeah, I understood you. Hi JC. Nice to see you again. http://bestsmileys.com/waving/6.gif

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Yeah, I understood you. Hi JC. Nice to see you again. http://bestsmileys.com/waving/6.gif

Hey casey! Just like old days aye? ;) Nice to see you too :up:

[hammy]

Yup. Just like the old days; lots of worrying, fretting, predicting, dissecting of "news," and plenty of arguments. :woot: :up: Some things never change.

[M.O.Steel]

Brando tried his hardest to escape these movies during his life. Why not honor that in his death? It was unfair of Warners to wait til the second he died to snatch up the footage and let Singer have free reign over it, and to do it again is just as bad.

I felt reeves wanted to escape them also. IT seemed like since he couldn't do that, he ended up embracing it instead. I heard he really didn't want to do 3 or 4.

[dark_b]

they need to leave joer-el alone. they should concentrate on brandon routh. yeah this is the guy who is playing superman(lets hope).
give him maximum screentime.

[Nixon]

Does Superman even have access to the Fortress now? I mean, Lex stole all the crystals and they were left on New Krypton - a hunk of kryptonite irradiated crystal floating in space. Can Superman get them back? Does he even know where to look?

If he can and he does I'm fine if they continue to use Brando's likeness. His estate signed off on it and is likely being compensated for it and wherever he is I imagine Brando is beyond caring if Bryan Singer uses his 30 year old likeness to portray Superman's father.

[Etienne]

they could alwys do some motion capture stuff to make it look classic brando and use voice recordings to have him say what ever he wants

Just as long as he doesn't look like Orval Redenbacher :eek:

http://i12.tinypic.com/4uasvm9.jpg

http://asp.usatoday.com/_common/_scripts/big_picture.aspx?width=490&height=362&storyURL=/money/advertising/2007-01-11-orville-usat_x.htm&imageURL=http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2007/01/12/inside-orville-large.jpghttp://asp.usatoday.com/_common/_scripts/big_picture.aspx?width=490&height=362&storyURL=/money/advertising/2007-01-11-orville-usat_x.htm&imageURL=http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2007/01/12/inside-orville-large.jpg

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Brando tried his hardest to escape these movies during his life. Why not honor that in his death? It was unfair of Warners to wait til the second he died to snatch up the footage and let Singer have free reign over it, and to do it again is just as bad.

Where is your info that confirms your claim about Brando wanting to "escape" these films?

[Matt]

Where is your info that confirms your claim about Brando wanting to "escape" these films?

Aside from several lawsuits and injunctions filed to keep the footage from ever being seen and his constant refusual to discuss the role in interviews?

[Angeloz]

I thought there was a money dispute. They didn't want to pay him for the sequel so the excised him from the film.

Angeloz

[Etienne]

I thought there was a money dispute. They didn't want to pay him for the sequel so the excised him from the film.

Angeloz

Didn't Brando get A LOT of dough just for those few scenes that he filmed

[Angeloz]

I meant the sequel where they disappeared him for over 20 years.

Angeloz

[Etienne]

I meant the sequel where they disappeared him for over 20 years.

Angeloz

oh I know, you know what it wasn't really a direct comment to your comment I don't even know why I quoted you well you see I did it again ^^^

note to self stop clicking the quote button

[\S/JcDc\S/]

So we can safely say at this point, if we hear from Jor-el in a new Supes movie, it will actually be played by a different actor :eek:

Who would be a good choice?

See if any of these stick lol ;)

Russel Crowe
Peter Gallagher
Tom Cruise

[GreenKToo]

jim caviezel

[Webhead2006]

personally i would love for them to go with a younger more youthful looking jorel myself. Or another thing that would be neat if they got the route of jorel and kalel have extremely close looking look in them. So either get actors who look simular for clark/jorel or maybe have clark actor play jorel too.

[Jochimus]

I'd probably stick with an actor who's the same age as whoever it is playing Superman/Clark, the idea being that the age that Jor-El is when he dies would be the same age that Clark is when he becomes Superman.

[Webhead2006]

that would be a good comparison.

[Blackman]

jim caviezel
:up: yessir

[NotFadeAway]

I think Jim Caviezel would do a fine job in the role, and God(no pun intended) knows he would take the role and sequel clause considering how much work he has done post-passion. But he is kind of a douche in real life, which makes me somewhat happy that he didn't become Superman when he was age appropriate, although he would have delivered a great performance I'm sure.

Another actor that I think would make a great Jor-El is Paul Johansson, probably best known for his roles on One Tree Hill and Highlander: The Raven. I know he isn't the most known actor and wouldn't be the figuritve sexy choice, but I think he would be a damn good Jor-El if the character was portrayed in a TAS/Birthright/MOS style. I mean, he LOOKS like Superman circa Kingdom Come, and if you go back and look at pictures from his younger years, he looks like Superman. And I think he is an underrated tv actor who could give a great performance. And obviously, he would be easy to lock down for multiple sequels.

[Webhead2006]

i would be down with paul for jorel.

[NotFadeAway]

i would be down with paul for jorel.

:yay:

I think alot of folks would like what they would recieve from Paul as Jor-El, once they got passed the whole "Jor-El needs to be a big name" issue. Why they couldn't fin this guy back around 1997-2000 when the studio was desperate to make a Death of Superman film is beyond me, would have been perfect.

I do FIRMLY believe that whoever plays Jor-El should also have a "Superman" look about him, which is why I am dead set against ever showing an old man Jor-El again.

[Webhead2006]

totally i would like to step away from that look too. he should be youngish looking 30s-late 40s or even early 50s if he has that young look in him. And as i said it would be nice for jorel actor and kalel/clark actor to have simular facial/body looks. So it makes it a bit more family like looks passed down. OR like i said even have clark actor also play jorel.

[Thundercrack85]

I understand people are talking about his physical appearance, but how old would/could Jor-El really be? I wondered about that myself. Since a number of stories refer to Kryptonian longevity, and their extremely advanced technology.

[Webhead2006]

hmm i wouldnt care much if they say kryptonians on krypton did live a long time. But as i said i would like for actor to be in 30s-early 50s the oldest. So we can have a young looking jorel and not see an old man type.