Superman Vs. Hulk Vs. Spider-man Vs. Wonder Woman

[Superman20]

Well?

[Lobo]

:supes: :supes: :supes: :supes:

[GooGooDolls420]

How could Spider-Man POSSIBLY take out Superman, Hulk, AND Wonder Woman?

[Phily]

i think spiderman would immediately die from wonderwoman
then hulk would take out wonderwoman.
Then superman would have a really lengthy fight with the hulk
and then come out victorious but badly damaged

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[ninjaZK]

Spiderman wouldn't have a chance with any of them...
Hulk would tear wonder woman a new... what do you call those? But she would put up a valient fight, and she might break some things near by by throwing the hulk through them, but this would just "Make Hulk ANGRY!" and it would be a smash fest...
Then Superman... hmm... this could go either way everytime... it depends on which SUperman you are talking about.. because there are really two charaters. There is calm, reasoning Superman, and then there is pissed Superman. Calm SUperman would try to be noble and calm the beast, but he would instead have his ribs crushed. Pissed Superman would move at 20x the speed of sound, grab hulk and throw him into outer space, where he would follow and then either kick hulk into deep space or the sun... so it would really depend on which supes we mean... but of course superman and the hulk would beat the other two.. spuderman being the lowest on the ass-kicking totempole.

[web-slinger]

To start off with, Spider-Man would last all of two seconds. He'd be the first to go. Wonder Woman might give Superman and/or Hulk some trouble, but in the end, her power level isn't enough to overcome either of theirs. The main bout would be Hulk vs. Superman.

Now, I assume you're talking about the current, child-like, prone to rage Hulk. For Superman to win, he'd have to go all out, like ninjaZK said, pushing his powers to their limits and beyond, to take out the Hulk. In terms of pure, raw strength and stamina, I'd say Hulk has Superman outclassed, especially if he gets really pissed off. The only thing that gives Superman an edge is his flight, his speed, and his heat vision. If he used these three powers to their maximum efficiency, which would probably include giving up his vow never to kill, then he could probably take Hulk down...eventually. The fight would probably last about TWICE as long as the final fight of a DBZ saga does, though...:eek: ;)

[Pablo Parker]

I think this is not the correct place to post something like this, but... why do you subestimate Spider-man so much? He is not as strong as Superman, Hulk o r Wonder Woman but it doesn´t cares... He know how to use his own resources better than any superhero. Because he kicked Juggernaut´s ass, and he won Hulk, and do you remember that Marvel vs DC? He fight against Superboy. And Superboy bit the dust!:spidey: :gg: :bomb:

[manofsteel3000]

:supes: all the way

[web-slinger]

Originally posted by Pablo Parker
I think this is not the correct place to post something like this, but... why do you subestimate Spider-man so much? He is not as strong as Superman, Hulk o r Wonder Woman but it doesn´t cares... He know how to use his own resources better than any superhero. Because he kicked Juggernaut´s ass, and he won Hulk, and do you remember that Marvel vs DC? He fight against Superboy. And Superboy bit the dust!:spidey: :gg: :bomb: Hey, listen, bub. I like Spidey as much as anyone else, but no matter how cool he is, his power doesn't compare to Supes or Hulk. If you remember, the only way Spidey took Juggernaut was by trapping him in a block of cement. And with Hulk, I don't think I've ever seen him win against Hulk. All I've seen him do is run like hell until he manages to calm Hulk down. Also, as far as Superboy goes, he can't really be compared to Superman, since Superman's powers FAR outclass those of Superboy.

[Pablo Parker]

Yes... i supossed Petey would die like a bug... But, at least he could win WonderWoman... couldn´t him?:(

[web-slinger]

I don't know. That's the part I debate on alot. It really depends on what you take Wonder Woman's power level to be. Some, including myself, ussally place her at the strength level of Superman. Even still, though, he may still be able to take her, since her speed is pretty much at a normal human level, meaning Spidey can avoid her until he manages to land enough punches to take her out. So, perhaps Spidey would last to the second round, but only if he takes on Wonder Woman first instead of Superman or Hulk.

[Lobo]

Actually Wonder woman is far faster than any normal human, the gods blessed her witht the speed of Hermes , so she does have super speed

[sp1derg1rl]

im very biased to spider-man,thats probably why i voted for him.but now i realise spider-man would kick the hulks and wonderwomans arses but would probably lose to superman bcause he would be too tired.oh no here comes the bashing.:(

[web-slinger]

Originally posted by Lobo of Krypton
the gods blessed her witht the speed of Hermes........they.......did? Okay, I'll go with that. After all, you'd probably know better than me anyway, since you got the whole 'DC username' thing goin' on. I'm just a little Marvel zombie. ;)

[Guyverjay]

I dunno but according to Jan walenta supes can not only defeat Onslaught with relative ease but he can also beat:

Mister Fantastic,Invisble woman,Human torch, The Thing,Jean grey,Gambit,Rogue,Bishop,Storm,Cable,Iceman,Wolver ine,Joseph,
Captain America,Cyclops,Iron Man,Thor,the wasp,Giant man,Quicksilver,Vision,Hawkeye,Namor,She-hulk,Crystal,The Incredible Hulk and Doctor Doom AT THE SAME TIME!!

[ninjaZK]

Originally posted by guyverjay
I dunno but according to Jan walenta supes can not only defeat Onslaught with relative ease but he can also beat:

Mister Fantastic,Invisble woman,Human torch, The Thing,Jean grey,Gambit,Rogue,Bishop,Storm,Cable,Iceman,Wolver ine,Joseph,
Captain America,Cyclops,Iron Man,Thor,the wasp,Giant man,Quicksilver,Vision,Hawkeye,Namor,She-hulk,Crystal,The Incredible Hulk and Doctor Doom AT THE SAME TIME!!

Ok now... i would probably say i love superman than my family hands down. In fact, i can't think of anything i like more than superman. However... this is just crazy. I may not be nerd enough to know this, and i really wish i was, but who is Jan Walenta? And was this a joke? If not, then why even have more Superman stories? I mean nothing should ever really pose a probelem to him. I mean individually he would be able to beat all those people. But c'mon... Well, for my sake, i hope you are right, and i hope this Jan Walenta is right... becuase i would probably retire from living if it was ture... true in the fiction comic sense, and retire in the murder myself sense...

[Guyverjay]

Jan walenta is a poster here and no he wasn't joking. Here's the thread:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24303

[Lackey]

I think Spider-Man would have a good chance at defeating Wonder Woman in her previous incarnation... the one the TV show was based on, but now she is close to Superman's strength level.

[Guyverjay]

Good chance? Spidey would crucify the 70 series wonder woman. She was terrible.

[Gimili]

Originally posted by web-slinger
I don't know. That's the part I debate on alot. It really depends on what you take Wonder Woman's power level to be. Some, including myself, ussally place her at the strength level of Superman. Even still, though, he may still be able to take her, since her speed is pretty much at a normal human level, meaning Spidey can avoid her until he manages to land enough punches to take her out. So, perhaps Spidey would last to the second round, but only if he takes on Wonder Woman first instead of Superman or Hulk.

How on Earth can anybody believe that Spider-man could take down Wonder Woman?

Wonder Woman is a lot stronger than some people think. She is third behind Superman and Captain Marvel in DC when it comes to
strength. She has been able to daze even Superman with her blows. A guy who can survive a series of nukes before dying.

An often ignored WW talent is her fighting skills. She is actually superior even to the likes of Batman and Captain America in this regard. Because she has had centuries to train. She could simply block or dodge Spidey's blows all day long. Even when her speed was around the speed of sound, WW could block machine gunfire coming at her from all sides with her bracelets. That's superhuman
accuracy for you.

The poster I have quoted claims that WW has only human speed. That is incorrect. She is not that far behind Superman in speed, and he has reached a maximum of 99% of the speed of light in atmosphere. I'd place WW in 70%-90% of lightspeed. She also reacts at that speed, as the time she checked a bunch of people for some virus spreader without being detected (JLA: Tower of Babel) indicates.

Even Spidey's intellect wouldn't really be much of a factor unless he was able to use a Dr. Doom scenerio. WW is a master battle tactician who came up with some pretty good plans to take down the JLA in JLA: a League of One.

When you think about it, Spidey's only saving grace is the fact that unless she's up against magic, WW is not invulnerable. Her durability seems to enough that she can take a punch from someone with Hulk-level strength, but is still not tough enough that she doesn't need to worry about bullets. Therefore, Spider-man's fists can hurt her, and if he can gets a surprise assault on her, possibly even knock her out. Still, this is his only advantage. And quite frankly, it's not enough for him to even get one win out of ten.

On the actual topic, Spidey and Hulk are out cold in the first millisecond. Superman then takes Wonder Woman out.

[Negrotigre]

Originally posted by Gimili
How on Earth can anybody believe that Spider-man could take down Wonder Woman?

Wonder Woman is a lot stronger than some people think. She is third behind Superman and Captain Marvel in DC when it comes to
strength. She has been able to daze even Superman with her blows. A guy who can survive a series of nukes before dying.

An often ignored WW talent is her fighting skills. She is actually superior even to the likes of Batman and Captain America in this regard. Because she has had centuries to train. She could simply block or dodge Spidey's blows all day long. Even when her speed was around the speed of sound, WW could block machine gunfire coming at her from all sides with her bracelets. That's superhuman
accuracy for you.

The poster I have quoted claims that WW has only human speed. That is incorrect. She is not that far behind Superman in speed, and he has reached a maximum of 99% of the speed of light in atmosphere. I'd place WW in 70%-90% of lightspeed. She also reacts at that speed, as the time she checked a bunch of people for some virus spreader without being detected (JLA: Tower of Babel) indicates.

Even Spidey's intellect wouldn't really be much of a factor unless he was able to use a Dr. Doom scenerio. WW is a master battle tactician who came up with some pretty good plans to take down the JLA in JLA: a League of One.

When you think about it, Spidey's only saving grace is the fact that unless she's up against magic, WW is not invulnerable. Her durability seems to enough that she can take a punch from someone with Hulk-level strength, but is still not tough enough that she doesn't need to worry about bullets. Therefore, Spider-man's fists can hurt her, and if he can gets a surprise assault on her, possibly even knock her out. Still, this is his only advantage. And quite frankly, it's not enough for him to even get one win out of ten.

On the actual topic, Spidey and Hulk are out cold in the first millisecond. Superman then takes Wonder Woman out.

Are you high? Hulk can take out whole armies and small towns with a single clap of his hands! He leaps from mountain top to mountain top. Hulk smash puny woman!!

[Gimili]

Originally posted by Negrotigre
Are you high? Hulk can take out whole armies and small towns with a single clap of his hands! He leaps from mountain top to mountain top. Hulk smash puny woman!!

You're the one who sounds high. The Hulk needs time to rampage
through towns. His Thunderclap is way overrated. It couldn't take
out Wolverine, who is extra vulnerable to it due to his hearing. And he can't compete with Superman and Wonder Woman's well enough to even actually fight them. He has got to win a test of speed with Spider-man before this can be in doubt.

[Erik Magnus Lehnsherr]

Gimli, you poor disillusioned soul....

I say the final bout is Hulk and Supes........With Spider-man calmly waiting in the shadows. Once Superman "wins" and leaves, Spidey walks out.....and claims victory by technicality...last man standing.

[Gimili]

Originally posted by DragnFire22
Gimli, you poor disillusioned soul....

I say the final bout is Hulk and Supes........With Spider-man calmly waiting in the shadows. Once Superman "wins" and leaves, Spidey walks out.....and claims victory by technicality...last man standing.

Superman can hear an insect's heartbeat on the other side of the planet. He would hear Spider-man hiding in the shadows. And you
know exactly what happens when Superman spots him.

[Dark Carnage]

Originally posted by Gimili
Superman can hear an insect's heartbeat on the other side of the planet.

Thats possible the gayest thing I have heard so far about Superman. I really thought it was stupid about him reaching the speed of light or something, but this takes the piss.

[Lackey]

Originally posted by Dark Carnage
Thats possible the gayest thing I have heard so far about Superman. I really thought it was stupid about him reaching the speed of light or something, but this takes the piss.


This is coming from a guy who likes Dragonball Z. :rolleyes:

[Guyverjay]

Thunderclap KO's supes before the battles even started.

You know what I reallllllllllllly hate about DC characters (I know im gonna sound like a so called marvel zombie now but what the hell) is the fact that they constantly get stronger and stronger and gain new powers every five minutes. Its ridiculous. The flash with his becoming one with the speed force (although cool), steel with his aegis armour rubbish,wonder woman flying at 99% the speed of light (what happened to the invisible plane?) and becoming almost as strong as supes, Batman and his stupid prep time which can take down everybody, Green lantern who not weak against yellow anymore and whose limit is soley his imagination and superman with his ever changing powers.

Bah! what a crock!

[SuperDaniel]

At least i'm not stupid to say Spider-man can defeat Superman. None of these characters together can defeat Superman.

1)Superman is much more stronger than Spider-man and wonder-woman and is stronger than hulk.

2)Superman is faster than all these charcters together. He can defeat Spider in a blink of an eye.

[Guyverjay]

wonder-woman and is stronger than hulk
:D:D:D:D:D Yeah riiiiiiiggghhhhhhhhht.:rolleyes:


BAH!

Goku kicks all of their collective arses while reading a book ;)

[Lackey]

Originally posted by guyverjay
BAH!

Goku kicks all of their collective arses while reading a book ;)


First you say you don't like DC characters because their power increases. then you make a comment about Goku


Why don't you dislike Goku for the same reason you dislike DC characters? :confused:

[Guyverjay]

er........notice the winking face:rolleyes:

[Gimili]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Thunderclap KO's supes before the battles even started.

You know what I reallllllllllllly hate about DC characters (I know im gonna sound like a so called marvel zombie now but what the hell) is the fact that they constantly get stronger and stronger and gain new powers every five minutes. Its ridiculous. The flash with his becoming one with the speed force (although cool), steel with his aegis armour rubbish,wonder woman flying at 99% the speed of light (what happened to the invisible plane?) and becoming almost as strong as supes, Batman and his stupid prep time which can take down everybody, Green lantern who not weak against yellow anymore and whose limit is soley his imagination and superman with his ever changing powers.

Bah! what a crock!

I don't think that Superman would be knocked out by a Thunderclap. Not with his invulnerability. And I very much doubt if the Hulk would have time to think about performing the Thunderclap and actually do it.

I don't think DC's characters' powers really change that much. The
only change I notice is the writers forcing them to forget they have powers to let a story last a little longer. Still, I agree that they are too powerful. It wouldn't be so bad if they had a grander
role appropriate for their power, but when their competition is guys like Brainiac, Grodd, and the Joker, the stories should be over in the first couple of pages.

But if you think Superman's powerful now, you do not want to read stories that reprint the pre-crisis era. During that time, Superman could engage in a galactic battle and be back before anyone knew Clark Kent was gone, throw an uninhabited planet out of the solar system, and do all kinds of insane power feats that included time travel.

[jan walenta]

Actually Hulk can reach and go way beyond Superman in strength but I will agree that Superman wins the fight do to all of his other powers but not on strength.

[Lobo]

Goku would never read a book.

[Guyverjay]

His wife (the only person in the universe that he's scared of) has forced Goku to read before.

[Lobo]

According to Piccolo, Chi Chi is the only person in the universe more powerful than a Super Saiyan.

[SuperDaniel]

Originally posted by guyverjay
:D:D:D:D:D Yeah riiiiiiiggghhhhhhhhht.:rolleyes:


BAH!

Goku kicks all of their collective arses while reading a book ;)

Read the quote again! I never said WW is stronger than Hulk. I said Superman is stronger than spider-man and wonder-woman AND is ( Superman) stronger than hulk! Read it carefully before bashing.:rolleyes:

[web-slinger]

Originally posted by SpiderDaniel
Read the quote again! I never said WW is stronger than Hulk. I said Superman is stronger than spider-man and wonder-woman AND is ( Superman) stronger than hulk! Read it carefully before bashing.:rolleyes: Well, even so, you're still wrong, in my opinion. I would put Superman and Hulk, in a rather calm, just transformed state, on the same plane in terms of strength. However, if Hulk gets mad enough, he's gonna surpass Superman's strength level by leaps and bounds. The only reason Superman would win is because he has an edge with the powers he possesses that Hulk doesn't (heat vision, flight, enhanced speed), plus his ability to reason more effectively than an enraged Hulk. However, if Superman didn't pull out all the stops, which the big blue boy scout is unlikely to do, then he runs a strong risk of losing.

[Guyverjay]

Read the quote again! I never said WW is stronger than Hulk. I said Superman is stronger than spider-man and wonder-woman AND is ( Superman) stronger than hulk! Read it carefully before bashing.

I apologise but it was the bad grammer that led to the mistake.
BTW saying the words Yeah right is hardly bashing.

Talk about sensitive.

Oh yeah supes ain't stronger than hulk for the simple reason that hulk has no limit.

[Gimili]

Originally posted by web-slinger
Well, even so, you're still wrong, in my opinion. I would put Superman and Hulk, in a rather calm, just transformed state, on the same plane in terms of strength. However, if Hulk gets mad enough, he's gonna surpass Superman's strength level by leaps and bounds. The only reason Superman would win is because he has an edge with the powers he possesses that Hulk doesn't (heat vision, flight, enhanced speed), plus his ability to reason more effectively than an enraged Hulk. However, if Superman didn't pull out all the stops, which the big blue boy scout is unlikely to do, then he runs a strong risk of losing.

Actually, Superman's strength makes a calm Hulk's look like crap. A
calm Hulk is just a step above the Thing; Superman can push the moon. It would take a lot of anger for the Hulk to reach Superman's strength level. And track level of increasing his strength that fast when against Iron Man and Thor is poor.

[Guyverjay]

Actually the thing is class 80 and hulk is class 100.
The grey hulk is more closer to the thing. A bannerless hulk would easily surpass supes in strength in next to no time. Its supes other powers that would help beat the hulk. If it was strength vs strength a bannerless hulk (like seen against onslaught) would beat the crap out of superman just like doomsday did.

[Gimili]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Actually the thing is class 80 and hulk is class 100.
The grey hulk is more closer to the thing. A bannerless hulk would easily surpass supes in strength in next to no time. Its supes other powers that would help beat the hulk. If it was strength vs strength a bannerless hulk (like seen against onslaught) would beat the crap out of superman just like doomsday did.

That's what I meant by a calm Hulk being "just a step above" the Thing in strenth.

I won't argue that a Bannerless Hulk would quickly surpass Superman's strength. Like you imply, though, Superman's speed still gives him the edge.

[web-slinger]

Originally posted by Gimili
Actually, Superman's strength makes a calm Hulk's look like crap. A
calm Hulk is just a step above the Thing; Superman can push the moon. It would take a lot of anger for the Hulk to reach Superman's strength level. And track level of increasing his strength that fast when against Iron Man and Thor is poor. If you're talking about pre-Crisis Superman, then yes, perhaps he is stronger than the Hulk. But post-Crisis Superman? No. In fact, I'd put post-Crisis Superman on a level with the Thing and Thor.

[web-slinger]

Originally posted by Gimili
That's what I meant by a calm Hulk being "just a step above" the Thing in strenth.

I won't argue that a Bannerless Hulk would quickly surpass Superman's strength. Like you imply, though, Superman's speed still gives him the edge. I do agree with that. Superman's speed would give him a strong chance of defeating any Hulk, given he was willing to go the distance. He'd have to go all out from square one to take the child-like, rampaging Hulk. Against the grey Hulk, or the Hulk dominated by Banner's consciousness, he'd win hands down. I'd put their strength levels equal to Superman's, and given Superman's strength and other powers, he'd win, without having to go all out. Such is not the case against a rampaging Hulk, though, in my opinion.

[SuperDaniel]

Superman would beat Hulk only with his Heat-vision!!

[Guyverjay]

Yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhttttt:rolleyes:

His healing factor would be taking a nap as this was happening right?

[web_head83]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

hello people i think we all know that mightymouse wud whip the lot of them into oblivion!!!

(yeah right!- supes wud win hands down)unless of course spider-man got hold of some kryptonite and mixed it in with his web fluid then he could easily take out superman! thwip!!

peace

[The Incredible Hulk]

Originally posted by Negrotigre
Are you high? Hulk can take out whole armies and small towns with a single clap of his hands! He leaps from mountain top to mountain top. Hulk smash puny woman!!

thank you... not a lot of respect here for the guy that punched Superman into outer-space.... :mad:

[jaydawg]

Hulk would kick supes ass. True Superman has the speed, but man thats it. IS Xray vision or the heat vision gonna stop hulk? No way in hell. But u guys also hella underrate Spidey. With the combination of his speed, Spidey did once beat the Hulk. Not only beat but KOed. If he did that to Hulk, then WW would be Spider-Mans first victim. Spidey would be smart enough to aviod the Hulks moves and Superman's beams,but he would be the second to go. So in the fight between a proably more than somewhat tired Superman and A VERY pissed off Hulk, who has been fight for so long, Hulk would beat that **** like it was a ten pound pussy.

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by Superman20
Well?


I believe that if Wonderwoman kiss them, they all will surrender and become her personal SLAVES...

I would, wouldn´t ya????
:D ;) :p

[jan walenta]

I believe all this stuff about Superman moving the moon and calling it strength is false. Superman moves the moon due to his flight ability not his physical strength. And Hulk is stronger than him anyway.

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by SpiderDaniel
Superman would beat Hulk only with his Heat-vision!!

YEAH???

READ MARVEL VS DC # 3 AGAING!!!!:rolleyes:

[Lighthouse]

Spider-Man is very intelligent. He's intelligent enough to realize that he wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of defeating any of these guys, would web swing his ass out of the city, and get some back up. Wonder Woman will deal some damaging blows, but ultimately be pummeled by the sheer magnitude of strength from both Supes and the Big Green. Superman would get the battle of his life from Hulk, who would be his toughest physical opponent since Doomsday. After leveling most of the city, Superman with his vast arsenal of powers, would come out on top, though very badly hurt.

[Kent0716]

I think everybody gives too much credit to the magnitude of strength. Although strength is needed to defeat an opponent of Hulk's stature, you need to look at combat skills and speed. Wonder Woman has both, putting Spidey in the gutter and giving the Hulk a tough battle (and confusing for his stupidness). However, Superman's combination of incredible strength, close to ultimate speed, and other superhuman senses, he would leave the battlefield with a victory. Hulk is too dumb and slow for this battle.

By the way, to Jan Wallenta, are you nuts? How can moving the moon not be considered strength? Do you know magnitude that the force of gravity has on the moon to keep it in orbit??? Much greater than carrying a plane out of the sky, I'll tell you that much.

[Guyverjay]

I think what he means is becasue the moon is in space and there nothing for supes to brace his feet on he's technically using his power of flight more than his strength.

[HerosOnFilm]

Interesting...I never knew WW was in that strength class. Maybe Spidey could get She-Hulk to help out LOL

But, Spidey has defeated Titania in the past. I can see him somehow defeating WW, if not by brute strength, but perhap by unloading all his webbing on her.

Spidey has had some effect against the gray Hulk (Mr. Fixit), but against a green Hulk, he's not much more than an annoyance.

With Superman, Spidey doesn't have much of a chance. But that's okay, because the Hulk would beat Supes!

[SuperDaniel]

This is so ridiculous 'cause they would never batlle each other . They are heroes. I'm sure Supes will find a way to setlle the conflict before throwing a punch. Unless some villain is controling his mind,etc.

Supes would win. He has a variety of powers and will easly defeat all these opponents. He would defeat Spidey and Wonder woman in a blink of an eye. ( He is muc more faster and stronger). Hulk would take longer but Supes wins.

And Supes controls himself so much. After all, when you're very strong, you have to.

[aaronw]

Batman can beat them all!!!!

haha, j/k

[JSPIDEY]

Superman would win. I remember one where the Hulk blasted Superman over the rainbow, but Superman came flying back. then he just stood there while the Hulk tired hisself out. Then the Hulk turned back into his regular self. Superman could beat the Hulk.

[aaronw]

do you think Superman's heat could do some damage to the hulk?

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by JSPIDEY
Superman would win. I remember one where the Hulk blasted Superman over the rainbow, but Superman came flying back. then he just stood there while the Hulk tired hisself out. Then the Hulk turned back into his regular self. Superman could beat the Hulk.

I don't remember that ever happening

[krisboyuk]

Originally posted by guyverjay
I don't remember that ever happening

It was in a cross over back in 70's, 80's I don't know but it was an old ass issue. The Hulk pounded on Supes with "punches that could shatter mountains" but failed to even move Supes. The whole thing sucked!

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by krisboyuk
It was in a cross over back in 70's, 80's I don't know but it was an old ass issue. The Hulk pounded on Supes with "punches that could shatter mountains" but failed to even move Supes. The whole thing sucked!

yeah I've read that (it was pre crisi supes anyway). I just don't remember this bit " then he just stood there while the Hulk tired hisself out. Then the Hulk turned back into his regular self" because thats not how it happened at all.

[Thing]

Hulk or Superman would be the last standing.

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by aaronw
do you think Superman's heat could do some damage to the hulk?
Nop!
A full doze of heat vision prove it self useless against THE HULK in Marvel vs DC # 3. :D

[SuperDaniel]

Well, Superman wins in a battle with the Hulk because he has so much more powers than him.

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by SpiderDaniel
Well, Superman wins in a battle with the Hulk because he has so much more powers than him.
Nah!!!
He won because a bunch of people like you who thought of him as an american icon, and voted for him. But not because in the "unreal" comic "reallity", he has a "realistic" chance against the limitless HULK strenght and fury.... Whew!!! I got "REALLY" confused now.;)

[Nathan]

Hulk losing against someone, who wears his underwear on the outside? Suuuuuure.:rolleyes: j/k

But I really can't see supes win.

And I know that Supes ist one fast son of a *****, and can even compete with Flash in races. But whenever I see him fighting, he get's one blow after another till he get smashed into some random mountain. So, where is all his speed?

If I would have Supes powers, I would play Goku for a couple of minutes, and hit Hulk 100 Times a second with everything I've got till he goes down. But the way Supes fights, he has no chance against the Hulk.

So supes is stomped into the ground. Hulk screams: HULK WIN!! And Spidey and Wonder Woman are walking hand in hand into the sunset. :D

[JSPIDEY]

Wonder Woman isn't as strong as ya'll are saying. She is about 60-75 strength wise.

And Superman would beat the Hulk because he is smarter,and if the Hulk was whipping him at first he would be inspired some how to get back in the fight and would whip the Hulk.

[CdShdws]

The Hulk would win.

[Adenjo]

Cast your minds back folks.....
Dc vs Marvel comics...
Supes kicked Hulks ass :)

[Adenjo]

The fight wouldn't be all about strength..
Spidey, Supes and Wonder woman all have intelligence and focus, Hulk may have brute strength but is ruled by rage, so in my opinion Hulk would be taken out first.

Also, last time I checked neither Hulk, Spidey or Wonderwoman could survive unprotected in outerspace.. so all Supes would have to do is knock them out of orbit.

[SuperDaniel]

Superman is faster than the hulk. So, all he has to do is fly with him to the space and throw him at orbit. That's all. Superman would win very easily if he wanted to.

[Rob-el]

The only real question is would the Hulk beat Wonder Woman or would it be the other way around. Either way the winner of that would lose to Superman. Why Spider-Man would be included on this list is beyond me! If you need a second Marvel Character for balance then Thor should have been on the list. Ultimately though Supes has the power and the sense of mind (i.e. wits) to beat them all. Oh and that includes Batman!

[Adenjo]

saw this online... thought it apt.......


http://www.buyersmls.com/comics/hulksuperman/hulksupmovie.jpg

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Rob-el
The only real question is would the Hulk beat Wonder Woman or would it be the other way around. Either way the winner of that would lose to Superman. Why Spider-Man would be included on this list is beyond me! If you need a second Marvel Character for balance then Thor should have been on the list. Ultimately though Supes has the power and the sense of mind (i.e. wits) to beat them all. Oh and that includes Batman!

http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/finalentry.jpg

:D

[Mr Parker]

Originally posted by GooGooDolls420
How could Spider-Man POSSIBLY take out Superman, Hulk, AND Wonder Woman? Yeah no way could he take out any of them.Superman only if he had some kryptonite,The Hulk only if he could find away to make him transform back to Banner,Wonder Woman,dont see how that could happen.

[Mr Parker]

Originally posted by Phily
i think spiderman would immediately die from wonderwoman
then hulk would take out wonderwoman.
Then superman would have a really lengthy fight with the hulk
and then come out victorious but badly damaged

:supes:
:supes:
:supes:
:supes:
:supes:
:supes:
I totally agree,spidey is obviously my favorite character,but he wouldn't have a prayer against any of them.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Adenjo
Cast your minds back folks.....
Dc vs Marvel comics...
Supes kicked Hulks ass :)

Those comics don't count. I mean come on, Wolverine beat Lobo! What's up with that? o_O

[DogofKrypton]

The Hulk beating Superman. Please. The only people who post that are people who KNOW who would win, but just want to piss everyone else off. Their reasonings and put-downs of Superman get tired REAL fast. This would not be a battle of 2 characters with super-speed, so it's pretty obvious: you can't hit what you can't see.

[mike5005]

Superman can fly, use heat vision, freeze, move the fastest & etc. This is the whole scenario. WW wouldn't fight Supes. Let's say she' gets into a fight with Spiderman who has the ability & technology to go the distance. He has his Spidersense. Still he gets beaten after 24 hrs of fighting. The hulk shows up and gets mad & he beats wonderwoman down in 24 hours of serious brawling. WW realizes the Hulk has limit-less strength & he is faster than he looks. WW throws in the towel & realizes she is out of her league & tired from 2 battles. Now Superman shows up & finds Wonderwoman. In 12 hours, He finds the Hulk in New York city after the Hulk visited spiderman. The battle Begins! The hulk tries to explain to supes what happened, but supes is so angry he attacks the Hulk. The hulk is surprized that Supes is that strong, but Hulk is mad. During the Battle, Supes realizes that his freezing & heat vision, etc, powers will not stop the Hulk. Superman must use only his super speed & strength & Intellect. Hulk realizes supes is fighting him toe to toe
The Hulk heals from every Burise he recieves from supes. Supes flies at his fastest speeds into the HUlk several times. Finally, the Hulk Jumps at incredible speed & lands on supes back. Supes uses his super speed to punch & kick. Certainly Superman is faster; he realizes that the Hulk will never get tired. He tries to break hulk's bones and hit in his pressure points. The hulk is weakened & appears defeated. Suddenly, Hulk jumps up at his maddest & runs at Supes at a speed far above his normal top 300 mile/Hr. and catches Supes off guard. Hulkthen realizes that he has to wrestle Supes not box him. He grabs supes by the neck & punches him 3 hard times, Supes looks at him angrily & exhaustingly. The Hulk realizes that he can't kill supes & that Supes was only doing what he did in the case of spiderman. Hulks tells supes this. They call a truce.

[DogofKrypton]

You give the Hulk WAAAAY too much credit. Superman, moving "at his fastest speed" could not avoid the Hulk jumping on his back?? Come on. The Hulk moves at 300 mph and Supes can't avoid him. Again, come on. Why would Superman, realizing how strong the Hulk is, stay on the ground and fight him. The Hulk jumps, Superman FLYS. Superman's heat-vision would hurt the Hulk, and eventually would cause some serious damage.

The Hulk heals from every bruise he receives from Supes??? Wow, his healing factor must be pretty friggin fast if he can just heal himself from Superman-level punches. Sorry, this really would not last half as long as your scenario. Supes wins by KO in 3.

[mike5005]

I thought I gave superman a lot of credit. Simply based on his speed, not his strength. Remember, This is a long bout that probably last for days up to a week. If the Hulk is at his peak (maddest) in anger, his strength & endurance would have been increased beyond normal..it has no limits. Supes moves planets & buildings, but that's at his peak. Superman has a lot of endurance, but with a limit. Hulk could clap his hands & blow Supes all the way across the U.S. like supes could do to him. His claps can also reflect back supes heat vision & freezing breath abilities...these will only make the Hulk madder & stronger. Remember Supes & hulk have alot of the same powers there biggest there only differences are :
Supes' heat vison, freezing breath, consistent & average scientific intellect (no people smarts), Flying and being faster than the speed of light speed of light at his peak. supes is 6ft 4 & approx. 240 pounds

Hulk's unlimited strength, Healing & reg. factor, scientific smarts (could be an edge here for Hulk if the smart Hulk or Bruce banner is functioning). Also his super speed can reach unlimited levels with his strength (muscle mass). His normal running peak is 300 miles per hr. His leaping speed is can be far beyond running peak based on times he has leaped into outerspace at speeds that can be compared to Superman's flying speed. There is a possiblity that he could scream loud enough to hurt Supes' superhearing ears. Hulk is over 1400 pounds & 7 ft
In other words, the battle evens out. However, crossover comics tend not to match characters using all their powers. They use popular votes to determine winners. I wouldn't even have a problem with Hulk & superman being a tie.

[DogofKrypton]

Originally posted by mike5005
I thought I gave superman a lot of credit. Simply based on his speed, not his strength. Remember, This is a long bout that probably last for days up to a week. If the Hulk is at his peak (maddest) in anger, his strength & endurance would have been increased beyond normal..it has no limits. Supes moves planets & buildings, but that's at his peak. Superman has a lot of endurance, but with a limit. Hulk could clap his hands & blow Supes all the way across the U.S. like supes could do to him. His claps can also reflect back supes heat vision & freezing breath abilities...these will only make the Hulk madder & stronger. Remember Supes & hulk have alot of the same powers there biggest there only differences are :
Supes' heat vison, freezing breath, consistent & average scientific intellect (no people smarts), Flying and being faster than the speed of light speed of light at his peak. supes is 6ft 4 & approx. 240 pounds

Hulk's unlimited strength, Healing & reg. factor, scientific smarts (could be an edge here for Hulk if the smart Hulk or Bruce banner is functioning). Also his super speed can reach unlimited levels with his strength (muscle mass). His normal running peak is 300 miles per hr. His leaping speed is can be far beyond running peak based on times he has leaped into outerspace at speeds that can be compared to Superman's flying speed. There is a possiblity that he could scream loud enough to hurt Supes' superhearing ears. Hulk is over 1400 pounds & 7 ft
In other words, the battle evens out. However, crossover comics tend not to match characters using all their powers. They use popular votes to determine winners. I wouldn't even have a problem with Hulk & superman being a tie.

Unlimited Strength??? Where do you come up with this stuff?

Super Speed?? Where did you get that? The movie??

Hulk has no limits to his endurance?? Now you're going beyond absurd. Superman HAS limits? He is powered by the sun. THE SUN. He's not going to slug it out like he did with Doomsday. He's learned from that.

Speeds compared to Superman's flying speed?? Wow. I'm at a loss for words. You are SERIOUSLY smokin somethin with these statements. I'm not even going to respond after this post. wow. WOW.

[mike5005]

Actually most of the info comes from the comics: that I have read or browsed or Battles I heard about from comic fans. If Superman was slower than the Hulk, I would be surprised. If Hulk could'nt move with all that enhanced muscle on him, I would be surprised. If he couldn't hang with Supes, or vise versa, in a proper match up, I would be surprised! Faster Speed & , Flying, intellect vs. unlimited endurance, strength, and healing & regeneration. In other words, Superman is not an easy push over & vise versa. People don't give Hulk the credit he deserves like they have given superman. People on average know more about Superman's abilities than the Hulk's. Enough!

[green k]

I have a old comic with superman and the hulk going at it.Superman knocks a building down on the hulk to stop his rampaging,then goes to check on him.Supes is standing there when hulk sucker punches supes,knockes em about 2 miles.he makes a huge crater when he[supes] hits.he gets up,brushes himself off and flies right back.the look on hulks face was priceless as he said PUNY HUMAN IS STRONGER THAN HE LOOKS

[spider-jide]

I didn't bother reading the whole 4 pages but i think better answers could be said if we were given a circumstance, superman 20 pretty much asks us who would win but i ask at what? chess? building a sub-minature device that can instantly read peoiple's mind? Bake the best cake?

I'm not going to be ignorant here, so who would win in a fight? Well it depends, overall superman stands a better chance, when it comes to brute strength, i'd say hulk is the strongest, wonder woman is pretty powerful too and spidey is the smartest out of the lot. I'd say each has a chane of winning but i'll use spidey as an example, Hulk swats wonderwoman, she's outta the picture, supes barely takes out the hulk, spider-man has lots of kryptonite on him and in his webbing and smacks superman into submission, and there you have it, spidey wins.

[SuperDaniel]

Now this is ridiculous!! Spider-man winning?!?!?!

BWAH-HA-HA-HAH-HAHAHH

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by DogofKrypton
The Hulk heals from every bruise he receives from Supes??? Wow, his healing factor must be pretty friggin fast if he can just heal himself from Superman-level punches. Sorry, this really would not last half as long as your scenario. Supes wins by KO in 3.

The Hulk has healed at lightning speed from having every bit of flesh seared off his skeleton by vector from the Ufoes, not to mention many near hits with nuclear weapons. He can heal faster than any other marvel character.

Originally posted by DogofKrypton
Unlimited Strength??? Where do you come up with this stuff?

Super Speed?? Where did you get that? The movie??

Hulk has no limits to his endurance?? Now you're going beyond absurd. Superman HAS limits? He is powered by the sun. THE SUN. He's not going to slug it out like he did with Doomsday. He's learned from that.

Speeds compared to Superman's flying speed?? Wow. I'm at a loss for words. You are SERIOUSLY smokin somethin with these statements. I'm not even going to respond after this post. wow. WOW.

How much do you actually know about the Hulk? His strength is limitless because as he gets angrier he gets stronger, he's lifted mountains weighing 150 billion tons and destroy meteors twice the size of the earth, so don't underestimate his strength.

As for endurance, yes the Hulk(as long as he is kept angry) can fight indefinetly, his anger will fuel his strength and his body.

True supes is much faster, but don't count the Hulk out as being extremely slow. One thing to remember is Supes will probably hold back if bystanders will be harmed, while the Hulk will just go all out.

[krisboyuk]

Originally posted by guyverjay
http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/finalentry.jpg

:D
That pic is so un-cool there are no words to describe it. :mad: :mad: :mad:

It’s funny watching all you guys ague over the whole Supes vs. Hulk thing. I could join in but I’ll leave it for the newbies. I think I'll just sit back and laugh like Guyver. :D

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Given the vague-ness of the original question, and the practically God like powers Superman has been credited with in his history, in a straight fight he would be the most likely to win. But as pointed out, all 4 could win in certain situations.

And the Hulk's strength might be "limitless" (???), but his anger isn't. You can't just keep getting angrier for ever you know.

[The Incredible Hulk]

you cant, but yes the Hulk can. "limitless rage" it's all over the comics, marvel guides, etc.

not saying hulk would win mind you just pointing out his attrivbute. Hell Hulk fighting Superman would be worse than watching my parents fight, I'd be so torn. :(

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by ViscaBarcaInter
Given the vague-ness of the original question, and the practically God like powers Superman has been credited with in his history, in a straight fight he would be the most likely to win. But as pointed out, all 4 could win in certain situations.

And the Hulk's strength might be "limitless" (???), but his anger isn't. You can't just keep getting angrier for ever you know.

Considering its rage and pain that gave birth to him, and rage and pain that feeds him, I would say he could keep getting angrier forever, even if there were limits he's shown that he is capable of reaching strength levels more than high enough to trash supes.

[ViscaBarcaInter]

I see what you're saying, I just think it is kind of.....ridiculous.

Both the Hulk and Superman are both written to be practically indestructible, and have unimaginable strength. With that in mind, it's hard to mesh the two together, given their respective "invunerability". I'm basing my opinion of Superman winning of his strength not relying on outside factors, i.e anger. He ALWAYS has that strength. If the comics say the Hulk can get limitless strength from limitless anger, then I'll take that as fact. But given the mix of Superman's strength always being present and his super speed, I believe that he could take the Hulk down before his anger allowed his strength to equal or surpass Supermans.

Man...I really sound like a nerd. :D

Ah... so What!

:batman: Rulez!

[GammaBeast]

The thing I like which kinda balances the Hulk is that the mere fact that he is the Hulk is a curse. Also he requires some form of motivation to become truly powerful, true he is near indestructible, but I just feel he is the more balanced than supes. In an all out fight I still give it to the Hulk. He's not as dumb as some people think he to be(though he is no einstein either).

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by mike5005
I thought I gave superman a lot of credit.
...........Flying and being faster than the speed of light speed of light at his peak......

:eek: Superman is NOW faster than the speed of light??? :eek:

Sheeesss!!!
That is PLAIN stupid, not even the flash is that fast from what I remember.... if that´s the case then Supes is out of THE HULK´s league by far, not becasue he is stronger but because he is so darned fast that THE HULK would never land a punch on him. :rolleyes:
Anyway if they both were fighting a slugfest battle only, Supes would get crushed in no more than a couple of hours IMO.

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by krisboyuk
It was in a cross over back in 70's, 80's I don't know but it was an old ass issue. The Hulk pounded on Supes with "punches that could shatter mountains" but failed to even move Supes. The whole thing sucked!

I replyed this to a guy in another forum who said Superman had beated HULK three times already and that HULK was no match for him, so I am posting this in case here is anybody who is still confused about this subject.

Originally posted by Drizzt-Zats
The same guy(HULK) Superman beat in THREE WHACKS, THREE WHACKS, THREE WHACKS?

First of all I´d like to say that THE HULK who fought that pre-crisis Superman was not the real HULK we know and love from current Marvel continuity, it was a diferent HULK, product of a lame attempt of cross over story, based on the idea of the multiverse... where there was supposed to be a reality where Superman and that weak HULK lived toghether as well as all Marvel and Dc superheros...:rolleyes: but after the Crisis on the infinity earths that reality was deleted, and so it should be that ridicolous battle from the memory and records of comics fandome.

Second:
If I recall correctly Doomsday did the same thing when he first encouter Superman, he hitted his chest with aparent no effect... but at the end of that battle The Man of Steel got killed.... so we could hipotetically say that THE HULK would have been able to do the same thing if the fight had lasted longer.
http://www.supermantv.net/wallpaperbattles/newsuperman/hulk_small.jpg
Third:
The fight THE HULK had vs Superman in the 1996 crossover it was an imaginary story "a las" "WHAT IF" comic of what would happen if the earliest HULK incarnation had meet the first Superman there was?
And if I remember correctly Superman DID NOT beat THE HULK in that issue... they fought each other to a stand still, and Supes admited that "THE HULK was the strongest being he had ever faced", and I could even add that the second clash they had in that book Supes took THE HULK off guard (Puny cape man) and at the end of the story it was THE HULK and NOT Superman the one who was able to resist and destroy the Gamma Rays machine and saved the lives of every body (Superman included).
http://www.supermantv.net/comics/hulksuperman/Oldsuphu_th.jpg
And finally:
The only battle THE HULK has lost to Superman that could fit in current continuity ocurred in Marvel vs DC #3 where by the way Superman stated that THE Professor HULK (who was not the strongest HULK incarnation) "took everything he had and almost stood up to it".
And everybody knows that the outcome of that battle was nothing but a voting contest where a lot of people like you who knows nothing of THE HULK´s superior strenght voted for that puny and stupid cape man!
http://www.buyersmls.com/comics/hulksuperman/Hulkdc_th.jpg

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by SpiderDaniel
Superman is faster than the hulk. So, all he has to do is fly with him to the space and throw him at orbit. That's all. Superman would win very easily if he wanted to.
The problem with that strategy is that Supes would get close to THE HULK, in fact too close to allow THE HULK to break his neck while Supes tries to get to the sun.:cool:

Face it guys! The only chance Supes has is to keep his self away from HULk by moving fast and flying, but if he gets close to HULK.. well he gets wrecked.

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by DogofKrypton
The Hulk beating Superman. Please. The only people who post that are people who KNOW who would win, but just want to piss everyone else off. Their reasonings and put-downs of Superman get tired REAL fast. This would not be a battle of 2 characters with super-speed, so it's pretty obvious: you can't hit what you can't see.
DOOMSDAY DID.:D

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by STRONGEST
:eek: Superman is NOW faster than the speed of light??? :eek:

Sheeesss!!!
That is PLAIN stupid, not even the flash is that fast from what I remember.... if that´s the case then Supes is out of THE HULK´s league by far, not becasue he is stronger but because he is so darned fast that THE HULK would never land a punch on him. :rolleyes:
Anyway if they both were fighting a slugfest battle only, Supes would get crushed in no more than a couple of hours IMO.

He can no longer go beyond the speed of light.

The thing that bugs me is when pre-crisis superman went that fast time should have changed, yet I don't recall it ever doing so.

[SSR_Forest]

Not really superman smash.......... ? http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4248017888&url=http%3A//www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid34/p10468319d8953913c0f91d49e0bfcb7b/fd339be0.jpg&caption=supessundip&album_id=4291286107&from_album=1 :)


Seriously you hulk fans ,don't see superman winning at all against the hulk?

You got to give superman some credit for some of the feats he done in his comic books.


http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4244918032&url=http%3A//www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/pa4375166c92e271377d270b9d0cd9326/fd044f10.jpg&caption=supes-speed1&album_id=4291286107&from_album=1

You don't thinks this would affect the hulk?

[Blackweb]

I went for Super, but if Spidey figured out the Kryponite down he goes, mix in that with some webbing...

[krisboyuk]

Originally posted by Blackweb
I went for Super, but if Spidey figured out the Kryponite down he goes, mix in that with some webbing... How's Spidey going to figure that out? Is Supes going to tell him? Even if he did, how is he going to get enough time to whip up a batch of Kryptonite webbing?

Supes is WAY out of Spidey's league.

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by SSR_Forest
Seriously you hulk fans ,don't see superman winning at all against the hulk?

You got to give superman some credit for some of the feats he done in his comic books.


You don't thinks this would affect the hulk?
Actually I believe that his speed is the only thing that may cause THE HULK a real trouble, if it weren´t for this THE HULK would trash the punk easily. :cool:

:hulk: IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!!

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by SSR_Forest
Not really superman smash.......... ? http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4248017888&url=http%3A//www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid34/p10468319d8953913c0f91d49e0bfcb7b/fd339be0.jpg&caption=supessundip&album_id=4291286107&from_album=1 :)


Seriously you hulk fans ,don't see superman winning at all against the hulk?

You got to give superman some credit for some of the feats he done in his comic books.


http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4244918032&url=http%3A//www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/pa4375166c92e271377d270b9d0cd9326/fd044f10.jpg&caption=supes-speed1&album_id=4291286107&from_album=1

You don't thinks this would affect the hulk?


It's not that I don't think Superman could win, I just don't think it would happen. I think aside from speed the Hulk has too many advantages over him.

As for sun-dipped supes, that nearly killed him, it's not some trumph card he can pull anytime he wants.

[Blue Lantern]

If Hulk is horny enough and Superman and Spider-man are between him and sweet Wonderous lovin', it's no contest.

[Fury]

http://www.supermantv.net/comics/hulksuperman/hulk6b.jpg

Yeah Hulk's got Supes down for the count big time.

[X]

Originally posted by Fury
http://www.supermantv.net/comics/hulksuperman/hulk6b.jpg

Yeah Hulk's got Supes down for the count big time.

Pre-Crisis Superman, dumb ass. You know, the one that once destroyed a solor system with a super sneeze?

[X]

By the way, why dont you post the rest of the fight? With The Hulk punching him out of Metrolpis, or tackling him through a building? Or how about The Hulk begining to reach Pre-Crisis Superman's strength level?

[Fury]

Pre-Crisis Superman, dumb ass. You know, the one that once destroyed a solor system with a super sneeze?

Oh sorry I didn't know you were just talking about post crisis supes only. As far as post yeah that wouldn't happen. But supes should still win just not that easily.

Was the Super Sneeze a joke thing in the comic or did that actually happen?

[GAMMA MONSTER]

it happend

[Fury]

Did people die from the massive sneeze or was it an empty solar system with no life on any of the planets?

[SSR_Forest]

Originally posted by Mr. X
By the way, why dont you post the rest of the fight? With The Hulk punching him out of Metrolpis, or tackling him through a building? Or how about The Hulk begining to reach Pre-Crisis Superman's strength level?

Why don't you pull your ass out of your head and see that superman wasn't down that long and that there was no way hulk could never go Pre-Crisis Superman level.

He was trying to calm the hulk not fight him, so he let the hulk let all his anger on him until he gets tired, then superman realize that wasn't going to work and destroy that bug in hulk head.

by the way I am saying Pre-Crisis Superman not post Pre-Crisis
who would actully have a hard and long fight with the hulk and not omg hulk owns superman.

Fanboy mode out

waiting for lashing

[DSprangthlgnd]

As a veteran reader of comics, dating back to the 1970's. I have had the opportunity to read many of the various representations of all the characters involved in this moot four-way battle.While it's a tough call,I'd have to say that if you were to take the overall strengths and weaknesses of all the characters, it still comes out to Superman coming out on top, albiet barely. It just basically comes down to the fact that Superman just has too many other superpowers for the other three to overcome. I grant you,many points made by other posters here on how the other three could beat the big guy are very valid, but when the day is done,they would still be beaten by Supes.
In an all out slugfest,the Hulk probably has the advantage but Superman's superspeed and heat vison could hold Hulk off. Being able to fly doesn't hurt either. Wonder Woman's skill as a warrior would keep her in the battle for a little while, as would Spiderman's wits and guile,but they would eventually be worn down by the overwhelming power of both the Hulk and Superman.
You have to figure that if Wonder Woman and Spiderman were both out of the picture,(as I believe they eventually would be) Then it comes doen to the two heavyweights. In raw,brute sheer power,yeah Hulk probably wins, but with Superman using all of his powers that he has at his disposal, to me there is no way that the Hulk could defeat Superman.

[X]

Originally posted by SSR_Forest
Why don't you pull your ass out of your head and see that superman wasn't down that long and that there was no way hulk could never go Pre-Crisis Superman level.

He was trying to calm the hulk not fight him, so he let the hulk let all his anger on him until he gets tired, then superman realize that wasn't going to work and destroy that bug in hulk head.

by the way I am saying Pre-Crisis Superman not post Pre-Crisis
who would actully have a hard and long fight with the hulk and not omg hulk owns superman.

Fanboy mode out

waiting for lashing

And he wasnt trying to calm The Hulk down the entire fight... He took a swing at him, then got punched out of Metropolis. And I somehow dont think The Hulk would of started going "Hulk tired" as he did after Superman destroyed the bug on him, The Hulk has fought for days on end before.

The narration in the comic itself said that "The conclusion of the battle is in doubt" meaning that very, very soon Superman was going to have to start fighting back. And notice, The Hulk not being able to budge him has nothing to do with his strength level, it his ability to remain unmovable when he willed it. In a match with Captian Thunder, who was almost as strong as Pre Crisis Supes and called the unstopable object, he attemted to move Superman by smashing into Superman with all his might. It didnt get him anywhere but on his ass. And post-crisis Superman did the same thing when he first met Doomsday, he let him hit him and it had no effect. The Hulk first didnt budge Superman, then he put his arm up to block the next one, and so on.

And if you didnt notice, The Hulks strength is limitless. He's destroyed a asteroid twice the size of Earth with one punch, broken the laws of physics a couple of times, destroyed Onslaught with a single punch, and so on. Im not going to get into an arguement with anyone about who would win between Pre Crisis Superman and The Hulk, because even I dont think The Hulk would have much of a chance. But, if you want to actually read an intelligent debate on the matter of Superman vs. The Hulk, search for the older one and bump it up...

[X]

And that "super sneeze" destroyed an uninhabiated solor system...

[SSR_Forest]

Im not going to get into an arguement with anyone about who would win between Pre Crisis Superman and The Hulk,


That's cool dude and you got a opionion
and I got mines,on the whole Superman vs Hulk fight.

Like your Hulk respect thread though.

I just saying that the pre-crisis superman did some amazing unbeliveable feats back in the days.

[X]

I definatly agree with you... :)

He used to juggle planets, re-arrange the continents, fly 1000 times the speed of light, extinguish stars with his super breath, use his heat vision to stop the next ice age, the list goes on and on...

[Guyverjay]

That was when comics were only for children

[X]

Pretty much... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[gl_summers]

that was when superman was SUPERman, not the pussy of today.

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If Superman was still like that, how well exactly do you think his comics would sell? Theres nothing "Super" about an inconsistent, seriously over powered character...

[Superman13]

After what he did to Thor with one punch when he got angry there is no way any of them could take him.

[Superman13]

Hell he already beat the hulk

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Originally posted by Superman13
Hell he already beat the hulk

He beat The Professor, and even then it wasnt exactly a one sided fight. The Savage Hulk has fought Superman to a stand still, and had a deceny showing considering the circumstances against Pre-Crisis Superman. And it didnt matter that Superman got "really angry" and punched Thor, they had fought back and forth for a while behind the end... And oh yeah, did I mention JLA/Avengers is ****?

[GAMMA MONSTER]

Hulk fought pre crisis superman to a standstill in Hulk vs superman (1999) it was supposed to be pre crisis supes

[X]

It was never really verfied... It was an earlier incarnation of Superman, but I dont think it was Pre-Crisis Superman... The Hulk wouldent of done that good against him if it was Pre-Crisis Superman...

[Guyverjay]

I don't think was pre crisis either, he was getting pretty messed by up the gamm radiation. Pre crisis would develop a new power on the spot that allows him to absorb it or something:D

[Superman13]

In the Marvel vs DC wars Superman beat the Hulk to win for his side. I think it was in either book 2 or three he beat him. I am leaning more towards 3 if you look in the back of the book at the poll of who vs who they said Superman won.

[GAMMA MONSTER]

he beat the professer

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Originally posted by Superman13
In the Marvel vs DC wars Superman beat the Hulk to win for his side. I think it was in either book 2 or three he beat him. I am leaning more towards 3 if you look in the back of the book at the poll of who vs who they said Superman won.

We know...

And yeah, Pre-Crisis Superman definitly would of done that... :D

But radiation does affect Supermans bio matrix force field, I can imagine a seriouly heavy, intense dosing of it would mess with him pretty bad, The Hulk on the other hand is pretty much impervious to any kind of radiation. Remember in Heros Reborn when Thor and The Thing passed out from the radiation and The Hulk just waddled on into there without a care in the world? :D

Plus Captain Marvel has hit The Hulk with every deadly form of radiation that she has, and it did nothing... Cosmic Radiation doesent bother him either... One thing, why didnt Thor just absorb and re-direct the radiation with Mjonlir? He can do that with most kinds of energy, he did it to X Ray of the U Foes once...

[aaronw]

couldn't Superman just whip the Hulk into outer space..... i mean, without the power of flight, HUlk would be helpless out there, assuming he could withstand zero oxogen....

[aaronw]

Superman is the king of Superheros. Why? Because Superman fights for good all the way through..... He is perfection....that is why he will always win...... Nobody wants to see Superman be beaten (at least not without the opponent dieing as well - e.g. Doomsday)....

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Originally posted by aaronw
couldn't Superman just whip the Hulk into outer space..... i mean, without the power of flight, HUlk would be helpless out there, assuming he could withstand zero oxogen....

My god, not this **** again.

Okay, how often do you see Superman toss people into space? Gladiator, who's basically a Superman rip-off tried it, to no avail. And, I'd assume that most people know that Superman isn't a cold blooded killer, almost under any circumstances. Not to mention The Hulk can easily survive in space. He's shown to be able to breath in space before, the cold doesen't bother him, and so on.

[mr.e]

I don't know who would win. It would certainly be interesting to watch though, assuming that you weren't too close by...otherwise that would be too dangerous. Here's a sneak peek at what I think it might look like.

http://img66.photobucket.com/albums/v200/mesparrago/hulk_supes2_copy.jpg

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by Fury
http://www.supermantv.net/comics/hulksuperman/hulk6b.jpg

Yeah Hulk's got Supes down for the count big time.
Sorry but that was not the real Superman neither the real HULK, that was a lame attempt of crossover where all continuity and stuff were put aside just to make a few bucks.

I even heard that the showings of both HULK and WW were a request from the big bosses of both companies just because in those days both characters had their own tv shows. They(HULK and WW) not even were considered in the original story and that's why their showings was so low.

Superman treating HULK like a rag doll and WW being speedblitzed by Sipdy. :rolleyes:

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by aaronw
couldn't Superman just whip the Hulk into outer space..... i mean, without the power of flight, HUlk would be helpless out there, assuming he could withstand zero oxogen....
Couldn't HULK just tunderclap in the opposite direction? I mean the concusive force caused by his hands claping would generate enough power to propell him back to earth in no time.

Think about it, he has send tanks and big heavy equipment flying with a single thunder clap. Why wouldn't this work the same way to stop his trajectory to space? And then another one to propell him back to earth.:cool:

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Originally posted by STRONGEST
Sorry but that was not the real Superman neither the real HULK, that was a lame attempt of crossover where all continuity and stuff were put aside just to make a few bucks.

I even heard that the showings of both HULK and WW were a request from the big bosses of both companies just because in those days both characters had their own tv shows. They(HULK and WW) not even were considered in the original story and that's why their showings was so low.

Superman treating HULK like a rag doll and WW being speedblitzed by Sipdy. :rolleyes:

Spidey was charged with red sun radiation when that happened. And it was Pre-Crisis Superman, so no harm done. In regards to The Hulk vs. Superman anyhow... Hulk still had a nice showing all things considered. :up:

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Spidey was charged with red sun radiation when that happened.
That was in the first crossover, when Spidy gave Superman a round for his money, in the second crossover Spidy managed to overcome Wonder Woman via speed and agility, ignoring the fact that she has the speed of Hermes in her powerset.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mr. X
And it was Pre-Crisis Superman, so no harm done.
But it wasn't Pre-crisis in-continuity Superman, and it was not in-continuity HULK, so I believe that story took place in another universe, part of the Multiverse that was erased by Antimonitor thank God!

So my point is that the lame showing that weak HULK had in that crossover would never represent what would have happened if Pre-crisis Superman had ever faced savage HULK from the 70's era.

[Frantik]

I voted WonderWoman. She has 2 not so secret wepons and she is sitting on a gold mind. They would drop like flies.



Had to be said;)

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Originally posted by STRONGEST
That was in the first crossover, when Spidy gave Superman a round for his money, in the second crossover Spidy managed to overcome Wonder Woman via speed and agility, ignoring the fact that she has the speed of Hermes in her powerset.:rolleyes:


But it wasn't Pre-crisis in-continuity Superman, and it was not in-continuity HULK, so I believe that story took place in another universe, part of the Multiverse that was erased by Antimonitor thank God!

So my point is that the lame showing that weak HULK had in that crossover would never represent what would have happened if Pre-crisis Superman had ever faced savage HULK from the 70's era.

He was still Pre-Crisis Superman, a pretty consistent one that was quite able to move around planets.

Spider-Man was charged with something that weakened Superman from the get go.

When did he do that to Wonder Woman? :confused:

I'm a Hulk fan and all man, but if you want to pick Pre-Crisis Superman against The Hulk it isn't going to be pretty, I think what was written was a pretty good indication of what would happen. And I'm talking about his consistent, serious version. Not Legion's Superboy or something. I enjoy old, kinda cheesy comics but they really don't have any place in vs. debates as the character wasn't written for consistency.

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Spider-Man fought Wonder Woman?!?!?!?

WHEN? WHY? Where are the pictures? Where are the comics?

[X]

WW gets the **** end of everything. Storm beat her if I remember correctly. :D

[rodhulk]

Hulk would probably win, but superman could stand a chance. Facts are: 1) The Hulk, as according to HULK THE INCREDIBLE GUIDE, has no limit to his strength, so he can keep getting stronger and stronger as he gets madder. This is a fact. This means he can get as strong as superman and even stronger than superman if the fight lasts long enough. Hulk is no slouch when he first turns into the Hulk, so he could probably last against superman to reach a point where he is stronger than superman, then he would beat superman. 2) The marvel vs dc #3 was fan picked. So if the fans had picked the Hulk to win the fight, guess what? The Hulk would have beaten superman. 3) As for the Hulk's punches not hurting superman when superman was just standing there letting him punch him and then the Hulk got tired and turned back to Banner. That was very false if it was based on reality. Hulk would not have gotten tired. He would have kept punching, got madder, got stronger, and eventually would have been stronger than superman and would have sent superman flying from one of his punches and beat superman immediatly or soon after. Go back to the Doomsday-superman fight. Superman took Doomsday's first punch without any ill-effect, no problem, exactly as others have said here. But why does nobody mention what happened next. Doomsday kicked superman when superman was still ready and sent him flying real far away. It hurt superman. This shows that superman can be hurt by a powerful strike even when he is ready. Hulk can reach the strength needed to hurt superman and send him flying, even when he is ready, and eventualy beat him if he got mad and strong enough. 4) Hulk does not get tired. As according to HULK THE INCREDIBLE GUIDE, the Hulk's endurance is similar to his strength where it seems he has no limit to his endurance. So Hulk would not have gotten tired of fighting and punching superman. 5) Hulk would not be beaten by superman's heat vision. It did not beat him in marvel vs dc #3. And Hulk healed himself when he had the skin burned off him in just a matter of seconds when in a fight with another enemy in the comics. His skin healed back in seconds. 6) Hulk can heal quicker as he gets madder and stronger. When in a fight with wolverine, wolverine said something like "the Hulk was healing himself as quick as I cut him" which showed immediate healing. It was stated also in this fight that Hulk heals quicker as he gets madder and stronger. So Hulk could heal himself immediatly from any injuries from superman if he (the Hulk) was real mad and strong. 7) As for speed, Hulk has fought fast enemies before and beat them. And Hulk can move fast himself. And he just has an ability to be able to fight fast enemies 8) As for flying, Hulk has fought enemies who can fly and has beaten them. Plus Hulk could fight off superman like Doomsday did when superman was flying him to space, providing superman could even get a good grip of the Hulk. Hulk could fight that off as well. 9)Hulk did fight pre-crisis superman to a standstill in 1999. If the fight went longer and based on Hulk reality (and superman reality), Hulk would have gotten madder and stronger (not get tired) where he would have gotten stronger than superman and Hulk would have beaten superman and won the fight. 10) Hulk and superman have at their ultimate in strength been pretty much equal although the Hulk may have even edged superman out. They have both, at their peak, done things like lift planets and change the orbit of planets. However, and maybe superman did, I don't know, but Hulk has destroyed meteorites twice the size of earth. Now lifting planets is one thing, but destroying a meteorite that is twice the size of earth is even a greater feat of strength than moving planets. Therefore Hulk exceeds superman, even the pre-crisis superman, in strength, and with his other abilities, Hulk would beat superman. Supes only chance would be to beat him before he gets stronger than him. But with Hulks healing powers, rapid increasing strength, and great strength to begin off with (among other abilities), I believe Hulk would last long enough to get stronger than superman and as I said, with his other abilities, the Hulk would beat superman. And the other 2, spider-man and wonder woman, would lose to Hulk and superman. I pick the Hulk to win this 4 person fight.:hulk:

[DevilHulk]

Hulk would probably win, but superman could stand a chance. Facts are: 1) The Hulk, as according to HULK THE INCREDIBLE GUIDE, has no limit to his strength, so he can keep getting stronger and stronger as he gets madder. This is a fact. This means he can get as strong as superman and even stronger than superman if the fight lasts long enough. Hulk is no slouch when he first turns into the Hulk, so he could probably last against superman to reach a point where he is stronger than superman, then he would beat superman. 2) The marvel vs dc #3 was fan picked. So if the fans had picked the Hulk to win the fight, guess what? The Hulk would have beaten superman. 3) As for the Hulk's punches not hurting superman when superman was just standing there letting him punch him and then the Hulk got tired and turned back to Banner. That was very false if it was based on reality. Hulk would not have gotten tired. He would have kept punching, got madder, got stronger, and eventually would have been stronger than superman and would have sent superman flying from one of his punches and beat superman immediatly or soon after. Go back to the Doomsday-superman fight. Superman took Doomsday's first punch without any ill-effect, no problem, exactly as others have said here. But why does nobody mention what happened next. Doomsday kicked superman when superman was still ready and sent him flying real far away. It hurt superman. This shows that superman can be hurt by a powerful strike even when he is ready. Hulk can reach the strength needed to hurt superman and send him flying, even when he is ready, and eventualy beat him if he got mad and strong enough. 4) Hulk does not get tired. As according to HULK THE INCREDIBLE GUIDE, the Hulk's endurance is similar to his strength where it seems he has no limit to his endurance. So Hulk would not have gotten tired of fighting and punching superman. 5) Hulk would not be beaten by superman's heat vision. It did not beat him in marvel vs dc #3. And Hulk healed himself when he had the skin burned off him in just a matter of seconds when in a fight with another enemy in the comics. His skin healed back in seconds. 6) Hulk can heal quicker as he gets madder and stronger. When in a fight with wolverine, wolverine said something like "the Hulk was healing himself as quick as I cut him" which showed immediate healing. It was stated also in this fight that Hulk heals quicker as he gets madder and stronger. So Hulk could heal himself immediatly from any injuries from superman if he (the Hulk) was real mad and strong. 7) As for speed, Hulk has fought fast enemies before and beat them. And Hulk can move fast himself. And he just has an ability to be able to fight fast enemies 8) As for flying, Hulk has fought enemies who can fly and has beaten them. Plus Hulk could fight off superman like Doomsday did when superman was flying him to space, providing superman could even get a good grip of the Hulk. Hulk could fight that off as well. 9)Hulk did fight pre-crisis superman to a standstill in 1999. If the fight went longer and based on Hulk reality (and superman reality), Hulk would have gotten madder and stronger (not get tired) where he would have gotten stronger than superman and Hulk would have beaten superman and won the fight. 10) Hulk and superman have at their ultimate in strength been pretty much equal although the Hulk may have even edged superman out. They have both, at their peak, done things like lift planets and change the orbit of planets. However, and maybe superman did, I don't know, but Hulk has destroyed meteorites twice the size of earth. Now lifting planets is one thing, but destroying a meteorite that is twice the size of earth is even a greater feat of strength than moving planets. Therefore Hulk exceeds superman, even the pre-crisis superman, in strength, and with his other abilities, Hulk would beat superman. Supes only chance would be to beat him before he gets stronger than him. But with Hulks healing powers, rapid increasing strength, and great strength to begin off with (among other abilities), I believe Hulk would last long enough to get stronger than superman and as I said, with his other abilities, the Hulk would beat superman. And the other 2, spider-man and wonder woman, would lose to Hulk and superman. I pick the Hulk to win this 4 person fight.:hulk:



hulk wins, agreed
Superman has no chances anyway.

[SentinelMind]

^ it's funny, everyone goes on and on about superpowers.....and everyone underestimates and dismisses Spider-man...Spider-man's biggest asset has always been his intelligence. Sorry, Superman and Hulk have never been bright characters. Superman is also one of the most naive characters in DC. Spider-man could figure out his weakness and expose them. Spider-man is one of the smartest characters in Marvel.

Nonetheless I voted Hulk...Hulk has unlimited strength and size.....Wonder Woman...eh...who cares. I think Spidey would take her out. Hulk would probably pulverize Spider-man. Furthermore, Superman's moral compass would impede him in his fight with the Hulk.

[regwec]

I don't think it would. Superman has, after all, killed deliberately. And Superman is certainly not stupid. He simply isn't cynical.

[brainchild81]

Superman is the king of Superheros. Why? Because Superman fights for good all the way through..... He is perfection....that is why he will always win...... Nobody wants to see Superman be beaten (at least not without the opponent dieing as well - e.g. Doomsday)....Many superheroes "fights for good all the way through". Supes is neither the most powerful nor most popular nor most cool superhero. He'll never be the king. Alot of people, including creators, love to see Supes lose. What are you talking about?

[muhammady]

Wonder Woman would win.She's the strongest superhero really.If you remember on the Justice League show Wonder Woman beat the hell out of Superman so Wonder Woman would definately win.I think that Superman could win against the Hulk and Spider-Man but not Wonder Woman.Diana would win fa sure.

[Arach Knight]

Those WB cartoons mean nothing for continuity. They made Lex Luthor black and made Doomsday some government weapon to keep Superman in check, based on Kryptonian physiology. With that in mind, we move onto some of the points that people are liking to leave out

1)Superman is not invulnerable at all, and this has been shown in the comic books in real continuity and alternate continuity many times before. For starters, on a sunny day, while battling Doomsday, Superman was bruised, cut and even stabbed, by Doomsday. This was without any exposure to Kryptonite. The second fact is when Supes took an Atomic Blast head on in Dark Knight Returns, and was left crippled and withering becasue the fallout blocked the sun and the radiation drained his powers. He almost died until Frank Miller was lame enough to say he could absorb solar energy from plants through some bizzare ass reverse photosynthesis (gotta love how DC heroes just make up new powers all the damn time). In a recent issue of Superman (the one where Lois Lane was shot) Supes had his ass kicked by a guy with a draining power. Supes was actually bleeding from the mouth while fighting this guy

2)Spider-Man is my favorite super hero. I won't be an ass. I can admit that in raw power, he is not able to take on any of these people for too long. But to his credit, he has defeated the Incredible Hulk, purely on fight skill. The second thing that everybody left out...was that Spider-Man is a precog. I don't give a flip how quick you are...you can't beat somebody who knows exactly what you are doing, before you do it. In Spider-Man #1 (Torrment 1 of 5), Spidey dodges a bullet from an automatic, at point blank range. I don't think he would have trouble dodging punches from people when he is forewarned of their actions before they even happen. Last, he took on Morlun. Though Spidey defeated this guy, his powers are rather sick. The guy absorbs the powers of Superhuman beings like some vampire. And it is purely through touch. So every blow you land on this guy, drains you of power. Spidey fought this guy for something like ten hours straight. Aside from his powers, Spider-Man is pretty much your average joe. Needs to eat, sleep and piss like the rest of us. But for ten straight hours (from sundown till about sunrise mind you, so he had pretty much been up for 24 hours). He still was able to endure a battle with this guy, then come back and kick the **** out of him. I'm not saying Spidey could win against Superman and his ridculously overpowered abilities...but he wouldn't just lose in two seconds flat like most of you say.

3)Hulk can survive in outer space without fail. Spider-Man (imbued with Captain Universe Powers) has already thrown Hulk into outer space. But amazingly, this fact was overlooked quite often.

Superman is a pretty powerful guy, but all of this BS about "oh hell just fly to the sun and get more powerful." Do you know how lame that is. That is such an unrealistic combat situation. What is Hulk doing? Sitting back and watching him leave? The guy is fueled by rage...i'm sure that if Supes tried to leave, he'd just piss Hulk off more...who is quite capable of following a flyer, just like Doomsday did. Remember when Supes tried to fly off to recoup, but Doomsday just (literally) jumped after him. In fact, Doomsday is nearly a blatant rip off of the Incredible Hulk, except he has a strength cap, and has bony protrusions. If Supes got handed by Doomsday, what makes you think he'll have an easy time taking on Hulk? Hell...Supes even had the back up of the JLA (also had their asses whooped by Doomsday). I don't understand why the DC rip off of The Incredible Hulk is okay to beat the snot out of Supes, but the genuine Jade Giant isn't given the same benifit...

[brainchild81]

Good post

[SSR_Forest]

Superman and Hulk would be a good fight and wonderwomen would get the most wins with spiderman.

Superman 6/10 WonderWoman 8/10

[The Game]

Those WB cartoons mean nothing for continuity. They made Lex Luthor black and made Doomsday some government weapon to keep Superman in check, based on Kryptonian physiology. With that in mind, we move onto some of the points that people are liking to leave out

1)Superman is not invulnerable at all, and this has been shown in the comic books in real continuity and alternate continuity many times before. For starters, on a sunny day, while battling Doomsday, Superman was bruised, cut and even stabbed, by Doomsday. This was without any exposure to Kryptonite. The second fact is when Supes took an Atomic Blast head on in Dark Knight Returns, and was left crippled and withering becasue the fallout blocked the sun and the radiation drained his powers. He almost died until Frank Miller was lame enough to say he could absorb solar energy from plants through some bizzare ass reverse photosynthesis (gotta love how DC heroes just make up new powers all the damn time). In a recent issue of Superman (the one where Lois Lane was shot) Supes had his ass kicked by a guy with a draining power. Supes was actually bleeding from the mouth while fighting this guy

2)Spider-Man is my favorite super hero. I won't be an ass. I can admit that in raw power, he is not able to take on any of these people for too long. But to his credit, he has defeated the Incredible Hulk, purely on fight skill. The second thing that everybody left out...was that Spider-Man is a precog. I don't give a flip how quick you are...you can't beat somebody who knows exactly what you are doing, before you do it. In Spider-Man #1 (Torrment 1 of 5), Spidey dodges a bullet from an automatic, at point blank range. I don't think he would have trouble dodging punches from people when he is forewarned of their actions before they even happen. Last, he took on Morlun. Though Spidey defeated this guy, his powers are rather sick. The guy absorbs the powers of Superhuman beings like some vampire. And it is purely through touch. So every blow you land on this guy, drains you of power. Spidey fought this guy for something like ten hours straight. Aside from his powers, Spider-Man is pretty much your average joe. Needs to eat, sleep and piss like the rest of us. But for ten straight hours (from sundown till about sunrise mind you, so he had pretty much been up for 24 hours). He still was able to endure a battle with this guy, then come back and kick the **** out of him. I'm not saying Spidey could win against Superman and his ridculously overpowered abilities...but he wouldn't just lose in two seconds flat like most of you say.

3)Hulk can survive in outer space without fail. Spider-Man (imbued with Captain Universe Powers) has already thrown Hulk into outer space. But amazingly, this fact was overlooked quite often.

Superman is a pretty powerful guy, but all of this BS about "oh hell just fly to the sun and get more powerful." Do you know how lame that is. That is such an unrealistic combat situation. What is Hulk doing? Sitting back and watching him leave? The guy is fueled by rage...i'm sure that if Supes tried to leave, he'd just piss Hulk off more...who is quite capable of following a flyer, just like Doomsday did. Remember when Supes tried to fly off to recoup, but Doomsday just (literally) jumped after him. In fact, Doomsday is nearly a blatant rip off of the Incredible Hulk, except he has a strength cap, and has bony protrusions. If Supes got handed by Doomsday, what makes you think he'll have an easy time taking on Hulk? Hell...Supes even had the back up of the JLA (also had their asses whooped by Doomsday). I don't understand why the DC rip off of The Incredible Hulk is okay to beat the snot out of Supes, but the genuine Jade Giant isn't given the same benifit...

Good post, the more I think about it, the more I think Hulk may be able to own Superman

[SSR_Forest]

Good post, the more I think about it, the more I think Hulk may be able to own Superman


Please his example is from a elseworld and a recent(2 month) issue that he happly to pick up with out seeing how it ends. So superman gets hit and bleeds meaning that his invulnerable is not good enough to handle people with class 100 strenght and also not being handle a Atomic Blast Dark Knight Returns counteract some contunity of him handling Atomic Blast just fine,with even more powerful bombs. Also doomsday doesn't really give superman trouble nowadays(he been genetically alter),been able to fight gog with kryptonite in his blood system for awhile before almost dying(from the kryptonite) and his fight with new zod recently.

So I think that superman is not going to get own by the hulk and that even though can surpass superman with his get stronger by getting mad power that he haves in the comics. Superman could fight smart with his other powers to get a few wins.

[The Game]

So I think that superman is not going to get own by the hulk and that even though can surpass superman with his get stronger by getting mad power that he haves in the comics. Superman could fight smart with his other powers to get a few wins.

The only powers he could use are speed and strentgh, you say Superman would fight smart how? The Hulk will just keep getting stronger and stronger, eventually Superman would have to throw the towel in through sheer exhaustion

[rodhulk]

The only powers he could use are speed and strentgh, you say Superman would fight smart how? The Hulk will just keep getting stronger and stronger, eventually Superman would have to throw the towel in through sheer exhaustion:up: Agreed.. providing Superman doesn't get knocked out first.

[SSR_Forest]

The only powers he could use are speed and strentgh, you say Superman would fight smart how? The Hulk will just keep getting stronger and stronger, eventually Superman would have to throw the towel in through sheer exhaustion

Gee I don't know like come up with a plan where strength isn't the only way of fighting the hulk and strategically use his surrounding and fighting experienceof fighting enemies that can't be defeated by simply punching them, because they are stronger then you are.

Unless he just going to fight stupid and just use the same moves over and over again.

Best examples of superman using strategy in battle are Ending Battle and His first fight with Manchester Black and his gang.

That's why I think that superman gets a 6/10 win.

[AGKSILVER]

You stand corrected !!! Hulk Vs Superman is NULLIFIED once and for all time !!! Enough said ...

These are some of Superman's greatest feats :

1) Superman #54: survived, without any injury at all, a ground zero atomic bomb

2) Superman for all Seasons: Survived, without any injury whatsoever,
a Russian thermonuclear warhead (from a submarine) at point blank
range. Smiled afterwards. All Russian nukes from submarines are
multi-megaton warheads.

3) Superman #40: Survived, at ground zero (the bomb was in his hands)
a 40 megaton thermonuclear device. Then fell to Earth (he was in outer
space at the time of the explosion). Superman was knocked unconscious
for a half hour; he suffered no physical damage and was merely
stunned.

4) In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey, Superman survived, at ground
zero, a blast equal to "a million nuclear bombs" (according to the
energy being Waverider). Superman did not suffer any physical damage,
though was temporarily stunned and stated that he felt concussed. He
then got up and boxed a little more with Doomsday, who also survived
the blast.

5) Adventures of Superman #478. As part of the Time and Time Again
storyline. Superman's body was affected by chronal displacement such
that massive explosions would displace him through time. His
invulnerability was the reason why the Time Trapper selected him for
this- only one such as he such survive the catastrophic explosions
involved in this method of time travel. Some have argued that Superman
did not absorb the full brunt of these blasts but only a threshold
amount that would propel him through time. This is blatantly
contradicted by the fact explosions of different magnitudes hurled him
through time by different amounts; also the more massive explosions
(see the Sun-Eater example) caused him greater distress, hence he WAS
taking the full force of the blasts (or else all the explosions would
have affected him equally.)
As part of this storyline, in Adventures #478, Superman survived-
without so much as batting an eye- the nuclear destruction of the
entire moon in the year 2995. He was actually within the moon itself
when it was obliterated. He did not suffer any harm and did not lose
consciousness. The explosion did not even register for him. Note also
that two Daxamites, not affected by chronal energies, also survived.
Daxamites are the genetic cousins to Kryptonians, and possess
virtually identical powers under a yellow sun. Despite unsubstantiated
claims that Daxamites are slightly "more powerful" than Kryptonians,
Superman was able to soundly and convincing defeat the supposedly
"more powerful" Daxamite Lar Gand in a fight in which the odds were
stacked against Superman (he was deprived of oxygen before the fight
and fighting an Eclipso-possessed Lar Gand).

6) Also part of Time and Time Again, in Adventures of Superman #477,
Superman survived an exploding sun eater, from within the nucleus of
the sun eater. A sun eater is an enormous gaseous cloud that literally
eats both the energy and mass of whole stars.
Let my friend Captain Kal explain the physics of it:
Re: Sun-Eater
A supernova is the total fusion of an entire star's mass over a period
of months. Fusing an entire star's mass all at once should be at least
supernova level. Additionally, the Sun-Eater has eaten many stars and
IIRC has consumed entire galaxies, so I'd put the Sun-Eater detonation
at much greater than a mere supernova, especially since Wildfire's
anti-energy was also involved and interacting in that explosion.
Although it should be noted that it was only the core of the sun eater
that was exploded; however, the explosion was sufficient to blast the
rest of the massive sun eater apart into the vastness of space, thus
destroying it. Likely at least a supernova-level event anyway.
Following the explosion, (Action Comics #664) Superman's body is
hurled across "hundreds of light years of space" and crash-lands on
Earth. He is unconscious but physically completely unharmed. He wakes
up a day later and, after a brief moment of disorientation, regains
his balance and is none the worse the wear.

7)Superman #3: survives the dreaded fire pits of Apokolips without any
physical injury, but suffers a spell of amnesia.

8) Adventures of Superman #480; Superman: Last God of Krypton one
shot; Superman Man of Steel #50: Superman survives immersion in the
outer layers of the sun. He also escapes from the sun's gravity. In
the first reference, survival and escape is quite difficult. In the
next two, he survives easily, gets a power boost from the sun, and
very easily escapes the sun's immense gravitational pull (more than
99% of the mass of the solar system is in the sun).

9) Action Comics # 782; Superman Man of Steel #64: very easily
survives the core of the sun without any injury whatsoever. His powers
are increased by the immersion in the sun. Each moment in the core of
the sun, 600 billion tons of hydrogen is fused. Energy equal to
literally trillions and trillions of hydrogen bombs are liberated.
Since Superman does not blacken the sun by immersion in it, he must
only be absorbing a portion of these energies. The rest of the
energies do not destroy him because of his invulnerability. In
addition to the energy liberated, the pressure at the core of the sun
is equal to 250 BILLION Earth atmospheres. Such extreme pressure-
literally, matter destroying pressure- does not harm the man from
Krypton. In addition, he effortlessly escapes from the immense gravity
at the core of the sun (gravity intense enough to fuse billions of
tons of hydrogen every second). Superman's escape from this gravity is
effortless and virtually instantaneous as well- an amazing feat of raw
flight power.

10) JLA #41, the conclusion of the World War III story: Superman
absorbs the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device stated to be
capable of vaporizing HALF A GALAXY(and was implied to be able to
destroy all of Creation). This is Superman's most extreme feat of
energy absorption, and his body alone did it (no magic hammer needed).
Although visibly quite distressed by the absorption, Superman suffers
no harm whatsoever, and even smiles afterwards.

11) Actions Comics #586: His Omega Beams exhausted, Darkseid attacks
Superman with an energy beam attuned to his "precise molecular
structure", intended to destroy Superman. The blast causes him pain
but absolutely no physical damage at all; Superman proceeds to beat
down Darkseid and defeat him soundly ( a fact admitted to by
Darkseid.)

12) Adventures Of Superman #595: This time its the real thing as
Darkseid unleashes the full power of his disintegrating Omega Beams
(one of the most feared forces in the DCU) upon Superman with the
stated intention of killing him. Superman withstands repeated full
force blasts at point blank range, and shrugs them off without any
harm or pain whatsoever. Note that besides Darkseid himself, only two
others have withstood the beams other than Superman: Doomsday and the
Cyborg (whose body was made from Superman's own Kryptonian DNA).

13)After his fight with Lobo, and lost in space, Superman survives
passage through a cosmic wormhole- a catastrophic, matter destroying
force, to say the least. Note that this was during his post-death
power-up. Trying to track down the issue number for this, be patient.

14)Also part of his post death power up, in Superman Man of Steel #30,
Superman survives a so called "force twelve disintegration beam" fired
from a ship the size of a small moon with absolutely no effect at all.
BTW, Lobo also survived.

15) Though not exactly canon: in the Superman/Fantastic Four
crossover, Superman shrugs off, "like it was nothing", a laser beam
(designed by Reed Richards) capable of cutting through adamantium.

16)Withstands various particle beams from a planet-powered Cyborg, one
of which was said to be sufficient to level a city. See Superman Man
of Steel #52

17) In Kingdom Come, Superman was assaulted by Captain Marvel with
lightning. Many see this as Captain Marvel "almost killing Superman.",
as well as evidence of Superman's extreme vulnerability to magic. An
unbiased look at this event reveals otherwise. First of all, the
lightning emanates from Shazam, one of the higher cosmic powers in the
DCU. It is Marvel's very power source and in fact conveys the power of
Zeus, another higher power in the DCU. As an example of its power,
Billy used it to crack open the Gulag in Kingdom Come. Said Gulag was
designed by Scott Free, master escape artist, and constructed using
New Genesis technology, which in past issues has been used to travel
into the sun's core. In addition the Gulag was constructed to contain
literally hundreds of powerful and dangerous metahumans. Marvel busted
open this Gulag with his magic lightning.

Superman withstood at least four (that we saw) of these bolts with the
power of ZEUS. He likely withstood a lot more than 4 because it is
implied that Marvel was reigning lightning down on Superman off-panel
the whole time that the story cuts away to Batman and Wonder Woman's
exchange. Such an assault would have easily killed virtually anyone
else in the DCU. Far from being dead, however, Superman required only
a couple of seconds pause to gather his wits, used his own superspeed
to match the speed of Mercury, and pull Marvel back into the
lightning. (And thus win the fight, a often overlooked fact). A
battering like that and still he could match the speed of Mercury.
From there on, although obviously bloodied, Superman appears fairly
intact. In fact, he is still conscious (actually far from out of it),
talking comfortably and coherently as he erases the years of
brainwashing from Billy, and doesn't even have the gravelly, uneven
word bubbles used to signify serious injuries in comics. He also
survives the nuclear explosion, albeit from hundreds of feet away, yet
it was still sufficient to kill almost every other metahuman not
protected by the Green Lantern.
As an aside, note that in DC Vs Marvel, Thor absorbed a single hit of
Billy's lightning to the hammer- not even a direct hit- and needed a
"long pause" to recover. Contrast Thor's long pause after just a
single indirect hit with Superman's couple of seconds to gather his
wits after repeated direct hits to the torso. It should be noted
however that DC vs Marvel is hardly canon and quite a lot of screwy
nonsense was going on in that.

18)In JLA: Primeval, the League battles Disciple, empowered by the
ancestral magical gods. Zauriel, literally an angel from heaven, finds
Disciples divinities to be impossibly ancient, even older and more
powerful than his own divinities. In fact, Disciple laughs off
Zauriel's attack. Wonder Woman, herself empowered by the Greek Gods,
similarly found Disciples ancestral divinities impossibly powerful.
And this was BEFORE the Elder Gods gave Disciple their full power. At
that point, every Justice Leaguer, including the magical beings Wonder
Woman and Zauriel, were completely incapacitated by Disciple's magical
blast. Only Superman was able to walk through the blast unfazed (Is
that...the best...you've got?"), actually made a coherent speech while
overcoming the ancestral god-power, overpowered Disciple, and knocked
the scepter from his hand. His power exhausted, Disciple was defeated
single handedly by Superman.

19)At the last page of Superman Man of Steel #15, Superman is
assaulted from all angles by hundreds of magical demons, and seemingly
overcome. However, just moments later in Superman #71, Superman
resumes his attack on Blaze (a powerful demon goddess) in her own
dimension, in which reality bends to her will. Superman overcomes a
magical blast meant to incapicatate him (Blaze: "you can still move?")
and physically restrains Blaze long enough for his ally Satannus to
free the Daily Planet staffers from Blaze's dimension. This was the
first time Blaze was defeated in her own realm.

20)Superman fought in and survived the 1000 Year War in Valhalla (time
was operating strangely in this magical dimension). Magic no doubt
abounded here. There were many casualties amongst the gods including
the DC version of Thor (though it hardly reflects on the Marvel
version). See Action Comics #761.

21)Action Comics #587: Attacked by magical "demon flame" from the
demon Etrigan, Superman feels intense pain but notes that he is not
physically harmed. He fights off the pain and beats down the demon.

22) Action Comics # 585: Superman military presses a magically
animated mountain, almost (but not quite) big enough to "crush
Metropolis with one step." Note that he does say "unnggh!" when
lifting it while land bound. However, he easily achieves flight with
it (evidence that his flying strength is greater than his land-bound
strength) and actually flies the massive chunk of Earth, weighing
billions of tons, into Outer Space quite easily. (Leaving Earth's
gravity would require acheiving escape velocity, or 7 miles per
second, with a mountain on his back.) Once there, he causally thinks
to himself that he just will toss the mountain into orbit around the
sun before being interrupted by the Phantom Stranger.
Contrast this feat of raw power with Hercules' towing of Manhattan
Island. Military pressing a weight is far more difficult than towing
it, and flying it beyond Earth's gravity and tossing it into orbit
around the sun requires vastly more raw power than towing it. Not sure
if this mountain was quite as big as the Island (although if it kept
growing it would have crushed Metropolis) but what he DID with it more
than makes up for any ambiguity in the weight.

23)In Superman: The Earth Stealers, Superman propels a massive space
station, cylindrical in shape and stated to be 600 miles in diameter
(the length of the cylinder by the way was more than twice its
diameter- maybe a mountain-range sized ship) by pushing against it.
The weight was inestimable- it was constructed from all the natural
resources of an entire solar system. That's a lot of metal! A
hyperspace portal was opened and Superman not only pushed it, he
propelled it for 20 minutes through hyperspace (it was stated that
they reached the halfway point at 10 minutes). Note that he had to
exert the power to move it at the same time that he had to deal with
the stresses of hyperspace unprotected. He seemed none the worse for
wear by journey's end. Note that the space station was also towing
both the Earth and the Moon in a stasis field, however, being honest,
I do not factor this weight into the feat as Superman himself
theorized that the tractor beam was neutralizing the planet's mass.
Hence he merely resisted the space station's weight, not the Earth and
Moon's.

24) In Kingdom Come, Superman burrowed through the Earth (entered in
Asia and came out in Gotham City, America) in seconds.

25) In JLA: The Century War, ancient "alchemical engines" were causing
the moon to fall towards the Earth. Superman and Green Lantern took
turns holding the moon back against a "geometrically increasing"
force. Superman got the longest shift before being called off to deal
with an even larger threat.

26)In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro (his imperfect duplicate)
switched bodies. Superman (in Bizarro's body) punched Bizarro (in
Superman's body) completely through the Earth and out the other end.
Bizarro (in Superman's body) went in through the ground in Metropolis
and came out seconds later in China. He is seen ripping straight
through the Earth and out the other end. Note that Superman's body was
completely unharmed, conscious, and totally unaffected by the blow.
Superman theorized that Bizarro's body "may be " potentially stronger
than his if Bizarro's brain would work. However, this is highly
unlikely since Bizarro was created as Superman's imperfect duplicate
and is probably at best equally strong. It is more likely that the
lack of control over Bizarro's body that Superman was struggling with
the entire issue (due to Bizarro's brain damage) had robbed that body
of the usual fine control Superman has over his own body, and hence
struck with greater force than would have liked to (the inability to
control the extent of his strength was a recurring problem in that
issue).
Note also that this was a single punch that sent him through the
Earth- more impressive than flying dive through the Earth.

27) Superman Man of Steel #30: during his post-death power up,
Superman easily grabbed, broke the forward momentum of, and easily
throw in the opposite direction, a ship the size of a small moon.

28) Luthor 2000 special: Superman split one of Saturn's moons with a
single strike.

29)Superman #175: Superman for the first time, overpowers Doomsday in
hand to hand combat, which he had never been able to do before,
perhaps suggesting that he is now "stronger than ever."

30)Action Comics #782: Superman's greatest ever feat of raw power.
After flying through the sun for an increase in power, SUPERMAN MOVES
A PLANET. Specifically, WarWorld, home of Braniac. But there's more.
Braniac has stolen the energy of Imperiex. Imperiex gained his power
from the consumption of thousands of whole galaxies since the dawn of
time. Hence his universal reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies". It
is argued that Braniac wasn't resisting Superman's push, and that
Superman ws "merely" moving a planet. This is directly contradicted by
Braniac's narrative: "Full thrust counter-measure! How is he moving my
planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!" The panel clearly
shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld's engines. Yes,
Superman was resisting the awesome Imperiex-begotten force, and pushed
WarWorld through a boom tube to the beginning of time (big bang).
Note that this example confirms what we've suspected all along: that
whatever the role that metabolized solar energy stores play in
granting Superman his powers, he is obviously accessing power beyond
that of the solar energies he can absorb. A few minutes in the sun is
piddling compared to galaxies of power. (All of Superman's feats
listed here exceed the energy he could have gleaned from 30 years of
absorbed sunlight, BTW.) Apparently the solar energy is either
"hypermetabolized" (as per JLA scribe Grant Morrison), indicating
energy generation via Unified Field/Big Bang, or the metabolized solar
energy allows access to his deeper power, likely psionic in nature (as
per John Byrne).

31) Superman #172: Under his "normal" power level, Superman destroys
an Imperiex probe. He also destroyed another Imperiex probe in
Superman #153. Imperiex probes aren't as tough as the real Imperiex.
However, they are extensions of his being and Imperiex had been using
them for billions of years, and not one probe had ever been destroyed
before encountering Superman. Note that Doomsday also destroyed some
probes and General Zod (another Kryptonian) destroyed two probes.

32)Superman #171: With three seconds to act, Superman flies from an
about-to-explode Pluto. It's not clear from the depiction how far away
from the planet he is when it explodes (although he looks to be fairly
close to the explosion). He is unaffected by the blast, which
obliterates the planet. He suffers only temporary "ringing in my
ears." This is either an invulnerability feat, or a flight speed feat,
depending on how fast he got away and how far away he was from the
planet when it exploded. Take your pick.

33) Superman Man of Steel #126: Superman holds a contest of strength
against an immortal god, Baal the Thundering Destroyer, and stalemates
him. The gods then call Superman "magnificent."

34) Superman is known to be the physical equal of Captain Marvel, a
being possessing the strength of Hercules, the speed of Mercury, the
stamina of Atlas, and of course, the power of Zeus.

[saint sinner x]

HOW THE HELL CAN SUPERMAN DEFEAT THE HULK,THE HULK IS UNSTOPPABLE PLUS HE HAS UNLIMTED STRENGTH AND HEALING POWERS IN OTHER WORDS HE CANT BE HURT NOTHING IS A THREAT TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[larryfilmmaker]

Superman would win all the way. Easily.
The only reason Spiderman beat Superboy was cuz it was a popularity voting contest.

-- LARRY --
Superman, Batman, Robin, Spiderman, WWE wrestlers, a wizard, a hobbit, a ghost, man-eating vacuums, a nazi, and two rednecks who like to stretch the truth all together in the online film: The Eyeball Papercuts. see it here: http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2665456

[AGKSILVER]

When the greatest feats of The Hulk has SURPASSED ALL that Superman has done in his entire history thru his years in the future as SUPERMAN PRIME then all you little cry babies would have a legitimate reason to say that Superman can be defeated by The Hulk ... UNTIL then ... stop whining and accept the irrefutable facts of Superman's greatest feats as being superior to the Hulk's ok ?

Enough said ...

[rodhulk]

HOW THE HELL CAN SUPERMAN DEFEAT THE HULK,THE HULK IS UNSTOPPABLE PLUS HE HAS UNLIMTED STRENGTH AND HEALING POWERS IN OTHER WORDS HE CANT BE HURT NOTHING IS A THREAT TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol:up: Agreed. The Hulk would win.

[rodhulk]

When the greatest feats of The Hulk has SURPASSED ALL that Superman has done in his entire history thru his years in the future as SUPERMAN PRIME then all you little cry babies would have a legitimate reason to say that Superman can be defeated by The Hulk ... UNTIL then ... stop whining and accept the irrefutable facts of Superman's greatest feats as being superior to the Hulk's ok ?

Enough said ...The only cry baby that should stop whining is you. Obviously, you are scared that the Hulk is greater than Superman, your idle. That's why it ticks you off so much.

I mean, have you ever even checked out a Hulk strength thread? Obviously not because if you did, you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

Hulk would win, end of story.

[rodhulk]

Superman would win all the way. Easily.
The only reason Spiderman beat Superboy was cuz it was a popularity voting contest.

-- LARRY --
Superman, Batman, Robin, Spiderman, WWE wrestlers, a wizard, a hobbit, a ghost, man-eating vacuums, a nazi, and two rednecks who like to stretch the truth all together in the online film: The Eyeball Papercuts. see it here: http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2665456And And that's the only reason Superman beat the Hulk in that Marvel VS DC crossover war, was because Superman won the popularity vote. Otherwise, Hulk would have won.

[super saiyan x]

I believe that the hulk will stand out as the victor.


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[Lethal Venom]

Hulk :hulk:

[AmbientFire]

I cast my vote on Superman (yes, I have read the Hulk strength threads and MAN that kid's got zany tricks up his sleeve!) because I think his tricks and abilities will see him through at the end of the day. And not to forget, he's got the X-factor. Call it popularity vote if you will, but I can always warp it in my mind to something more palatable for me heheh. I know I'm on perilous grounds when I vote for Superman instead of the Hulk (Punching superman in the face doesn't mean superman is down and out) - you're deemed dumb if you vote for superman many times (haven't figured out why EXACTLY). I realize it's not ORIGINAL to vote for superman as the winner, but you know what? Being original isn't always the best way to go.

Superman wins. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/superman1.gif

and to quote Hulk fans - "Deal with it"

[larryfilmmaker]

let's compare Superman and Hulk to their symbollic counterparts. Jesus Christ vs. Mr. Hyde. yeah, i think supes would win :0)

[larryfilmmaker]

you hulk fans are bizarre. for god's sake, any non comic fan would answer Superman. he's the freakin FIRST and ULTIMATE superhero. why is everything a popularity contest? how come when there's somethin at the top of the mountain people always gotta try to bring it down? batman, hulk, thor, marvel, wolverine, gladiator, juggernaut... they are all great characters and i like all their books (well, maybe thor and marvel bore me but still) i'd never say one of them could beat up superman and NEITHER would comic writers. they will never have a comic where in the end one of them has gotten the better of Superman cuz popular or not, he's simply Superman. it may be the oldest excuse in the book, but it stands it's ground. go find somethin to tear down that needs to be torn down... like american idol or movies with the rock or vin diesel. oh, i got a better idea... if you wanna start rippin kings off of their mountains, go start a forum saying that daredevil could beat batman in a fight! oh, what, you won't do it? i forgot... underdog blasting is nerd blasphemy. :0)

[rodhulk]

let's compare Superman and Hulk to their symbollic counterparts. Jesus Christ vs. Mr. Hyde. yeah, i think supes would win :0)Superman does not equal Jesus Christ. Supes ain't God.

[larryfilmmaker]

double post

[larryfilmmaker]

Superman does not equal Jesus Christ. Supes ain't God.

he's based loosely on christ. read "Mythology" or the biography about the two guys who created superman. his parents are not from this world, he's earth's "adopted son"... blessing the world w/ his presence, he grows up living a simple and humble life... it's all bible based.

also i think he's partly based on Samson from the bible too, but it's mostly jesus. read any of the above titles. it's interesting as hell.

[brainchild81]

you hulk fans are bizarre. for god's sake, any non comic fan would answer Superman. he's the freakin FIRST and ULTIMATE superhero. why is everything a popularity contest? how come when there's somethin at the top of the mountain people always gotta try to bring it down? batman, hulk, thor, marvel, wolverine, gladiator, juggernaut... they are all great characters and i like all their books (well, maybe thor and marvel bore me but still) i'd never say one of them could beat up superman and NEITHER would comic writers. they will never have a comic where in the end one of them has gotten the better of Superman cuz popular or not, he's simply Superman. it may be the oldest excuse in the book, but it stands it's ground. go find somethin to tear down that needs to be torn down... like american idol or movies with the rock or vin diesel. oh, i got a better idea... if you wanna start rippin kings off of their mountains, go start a forum saying that daredevil could beat batman in a fight!You complain about "why is everything a popularity contest?", right after you say "he's(Superman) the freakin FIRST and ULTIMATE superhero." You do realize you are saying this because you like Superman more than anybody else? If by "ULTIMATE superhero", you're trying to say he's more powerful and would logically beat up every other superhero, you're obviously letting his POPULARITY with you cloud your judgment. People like Silver Surfer, Martian Manhunter, Gladiator, Shazaam(Capt.Marvel), Hulk, Juggernaut & Thor should own him and the only reason why you'd ever see him beat them is because of.......you guessed it--Superman's popularity!

[larryfilmmaker]

no, "because he's Superman" means because his entire character is based on being the most powerful. c'mon people, it's not a popularity contest. i like batman just as much as i like superman, and while i'd never have superman win a game of chess against bats, i'd never have bats win a fight. yeah, i know everybody wants Superman to get beat up in these threads... but he's SUPERMAN. i know that excuses irritates you guys, but just cuz of "strength meters", "prep time", "invulnerability levels", and all that other nerdy *****, if there were ever a movie where these heroes battled, Superman would come out on top because that's how it works. he IS an american icon. he IS the ultimate superhero and the first, and he is the unspoken leader of the JL (while certainly not more popular than bats). yes, the answer is he IS superman. superman is the strongest of the characters. i told a 51 year old man that in Kingdom Come a superhero named Captain Marvel beats up Superman for a little bit and he said "WHAT?! NOBODY CAN BEAT UP SUPERMAN!" lol, random story i know, but that's where Supes stands in our culture. there's no reason to tear that down. oh yeah, and i think Nightwing would kick Batman's ass cuz he's younger and faster. ooh... that didn't sit well with you did it? why not? oh, because BATMAN IS MORE POPULAR!

[brainchild81]

no, "because he's Superman" means because his entire character is based on being the most powerful. c'mon people, it's not a popularity contest. i like batman just as much as i like superman, and while i'd never have superman win a game of chess against bats, i'd never have bats win a fight. yeah, i know everybody wants Superman to get beat up in these threads... but he's SUPERMAN. i know that excuses irritates you guys, but just cuz of "strength meters", "prep time", "invulnerability levels", and all that other nerdy *****, if there were ever a movie where these heroes battled, Superman would come out on top because that's how it works. he IS an american icon. he IS the ultimate superhero and the first, and he is the unspoken leader of the JL (while certainly not more popular than bats). yes, the answer is he IS superman. superman is the strongest of the characters. i told a 51 year old man that in Kingdom Come a superhero named Captain Marvel beats up Superman for a little bit and he said "WHAT?! NOBODY CAN BEAT UP SUPERMAN!" lol, random story i know, but that's where Supes stands in our culture. there's no reason to tear that down. oh yeah, and i think Nightwing would kick Batman's ass cuz he's younger and faster. ooh... that didn't sit well with you did it? why not? oh, because BATMAN IS MORE POPULAR!
I agree w/you on the Nightwing thing & he's also more agile. Seeing Nightwing kick Bats' a$$ would be cool. The rest of your post seems to be really fanboyish though.

[larryfilmmaker]

that's cuz i'm a fanboy... well... fan man. i'm 23 w/ a job and gf after all :0)

[larryfilmmaker]

my god there's no winning on these silly forums. if some fanboy says Superman beat up Hulk it's "that wasn't the strongest Hulk" or "yeah, but that was PreCris Supes and he's too strong". so i realized... we're comparing the strongest possible version of Hulk ever against the weakest possible Superman and that's the only thing that's gonna make this debateable? well, then sounds like big blue obviously gets the W. anyways, i realized that i totally geeked out on these forums and "lowered" myself to ranting fanboy status lol. yeesh. if my gf saw these boards we'd be history lol.

[Arach Knight]

I don't see why people here claim that Supes is an American Icon. Spider-Man is many times more popular as shown by his far more enduring legacy of cartoons, comic book popularity, and the fact that his movies greatly surpassed any Superman film. Superman Returns won't even make a dent in the original Spider-Man (which is the third most grossing movie of all time). Superman may be a comic book hero icon, but I seriously doubt he is an American icon. I don't see too many kids wearing Superman backpacks (not that I see them in much more than Yugi-Oh and Pokemon). Sure the JLA cartoon features Superman...but the way I see it, his time as being this important figure has long gone. These are the days of "truth, justice and the American way"...that Supes is long dead.

[brainchild81]

Supes is given way too much credit by some because he came out 1st. If that makes him the prototype, it also could mean that almost everybody after is better because the creators learned from the mistakes in Supes creation. Supes was cool for the era in which he was created, but now he's simply a dinosaur.

[Jonathanos]

you hulk fans are bizarre. for god's sake, any non comic fan would answer Superman. he's the freakin FIRST and ULTIMATE superhero.

"Ultimate" is subjective. IMO, Captain America is the ultimate hero.

The Phantom came before Superman.

Being first does not mean you win.

[supermanprime05]

I believe that the hulk will stand out as the victor.


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I guess that answers my question lol.

[TheGboy]

DOOMSDAY DID.:D
Doomsday had exceptional speed also, he was also from Krypton.
http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php

[HULK LOVER]

Hulk would win, anyday and everyday. :hulk:

[TheGboy]

ok for one, everyone says " the madder Hulk gets, the stronger he gets." All Superman would have to do, is throw him into space at the beginning of the fight, There, done deal, throw away the key. Superman can react at Superhuman speeds, so how the Hulk even react fast enough to do anything.

[Arach Knight]

I love how everybody just says "he'll throw Hulk into space." That knee jerk statement is for those who know squat diddly about the Hulk. He was already thrown into space by cosmic Spider-Man. Hulk can survive the vacuum of space without injury. He obviously made it back to earth, so not like space is going to stop him. Another fine point, is that the Hulk has lifted 150 billion tons, without reaching any known limit of strength. Superman is noted as having strength (post-crisis, pre-death) in the range of 800,000 tons.

"The Hulk once supported the weight of a 150 billion ton mountain across his shoulders.The upper limit of his strength remains unrevealed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk

"One figure for Superman's strength is 800,000 tons"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman

Supes can't even lift 1 million tons where as the Hulk has lifted 150 billion tons. That is over 149 billion times Supermans known strength. One punch from the Hulk will send Superman far and away...no contest.

[SSR_Forest]

I love how everybody just says "he'll throw Hulk into space." That knee jerk statement is for those who know squat diddly about the Hulk. He was already thrown into space by cosmic Spider-Man. Hulk can survive the vacuum of space without injury. He obviously made it back to earth, so not like space is going to stop him. Another fine point, is that the Hulk has lifted 150 billion tons, without reaching any known limit of strength. Superman is noted as having strength (post-crisis, pre-death) in the range of 800,000 tons.

"The Hulk once supported the weight of a 150 billion ton mountain across his shoulders.The upper limit of his strength remains unrevealed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk

"One figure for Superman's strength is 800,000 tons"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman

Supes can't even lift 1 million tons where as the Hulk has lifted 150 billion tons. That is over 149 billion times Supermans known strength. One punch from the Hulk will send Superman far and away...no contest.

You obvious don't know what your talking about and just talking nonsense without knowing anything about superman feats in the comics.

Those are fan made pages where people could offer additional info to the site,and superman been shown to carry things over 800,000 tons.

In JLA: The Century War, ancient "alchemical engines" were causing the moon to fall towards the Earth. Superman and Green Lantern took turns holding the moon back against the "geometrically increasing force" that was causing it to fall. Superman got the last "moon-bracing" shift. The moon weights more then 800,000 tons.

Also superman have been shown in the past to have fighting skills which he been shown to use in fights and would learn early on to not fight hulk hth in combat. There are other things that superman could do to the hulk. Superman is not going to just keep on ramming himself into hulk.

[Arach Knight]

I'll take the low road and open by attacking your character with ad hominem.

"Also superman does got fighting skills "

That sentence is structuarlly wrong. So do try and refrain from insulting how little I know, when you failed to word a sentence correctly. Anyways, Wikipedia is an online encylopedia, not a fansite.

1)I'll believe Wikipedia over you...especially since I went through the trouble of providing a source and you have none other than a vauge comic story. I'm sadly not as familar, so you may very well be right that Supes lifted a moon, but I have no idea if this is the grossly over powered Pre-Crisis Supes, or the less yet still grossly over powered Post-Crisis Supes.

2)The moon has no weight you simple mind. Space has no gravity itself, however planets and stars do. Holding the moon in place is not really a measure of accurate strength, since the moons mass is not the same as gravity. Gravity is relative to excertions of force (in terms of attraction) of two objects. So the moon's weight in one gravitational situation, is not the same as the moons weight in a different gravitational situation. Mass is proportionate to weight, but weight is not proportionate to mass. Mass at best is a measure of resistence to changes in speed or direction. In which case, the moon does not travel as fast as Superman can travel. Given that he moves near the speed of light, he would have an easy time forcing the moon to move, considering it travels many many many times slower than light.

[SSR_Forest]

I'll take the low road and open by attacking your character with ad hominem.

"Also superman does got fighting skills "

That sentence is structuarlly wrong. So do try and refrain from insulting how little I know, when you failed to word a sentence correctly. Anyways, Wikipedia is an online encylopedia, not a fansite.

1)I'll believe Wikipedia over you...especially since I went through the trouble of providing a source and you have none other than a vauge comic story. I'm sadly not as familar, so you may very well be right that Supes lifted a moon, but I have no idea if this is the grossly over powered Pre-Crisis Supes, or the less yet still grossly over powered Post-Crisis Supes.

2)The moon has no weight you simple mind. Space has no gravity itself, however planets and stars do. Holding the moon in place is not really a measure of accurate strength, since the moons mass is not the same as gravity. Gravity is relative to excertions of force (in terms of attraction) of two objects. So the moon's weight in one gravitational situation, is not the same as the moons weight in a different gravitational situation. Mass is proportionate to weight, but weight is not proportionate to mass. Mass at best is a measure of resistence to changes in speed or direction. In which case, the moon does not travel as fast as Superman can travel. Given that he moves near the speed of light, he would have an easy time forcing the moon to move, considering it travels many many many times slower than light.

Wikipedia is online fan encylopedia that can be updated by many people and is not always reliable in the information people give out to the site. So your reliable source is unreliable,and been proving wrong in other forums. Also I do have the comic of the feat with me,so it's not as vaugely as you make the feat out to be. Superman been shown being able to carry the Great Pyramid which weight in the million tons

Also don't insult my intelligence because I worded my sentences wrong. I apologies if I insulted you. But you haven't came up with a scenario yet of hulk beating superman. Except superman fighting stupid and hulk being automatically on his highest strength level already.I admit hulk having the strength advantage,but superman also have his other abilities to help him in the fight against the hulk and superman punches will still be able to effect the hulk. Superman have also fought Pre-crisis Kryptonians before,who are way above in strength and superman survive the encounter. He can take alot of punishment from people stronger then him.

[Arach Knight]

I accept the apology. But people are too hastly around here to just call people names. Personal attacks are a sign of desperation and frustration in what could other wise be a logical discussion. Instead of simply bringing up evidence prove a person wrong, people have to insult them. If a person provides a source and you provide a better one, then so be it. It doesn't mean that people have to insult each other to do so. But that doesn't seem to be way of this forum, where people are automatiaclly snobbish and cocky.

With that said, I would also like to apologize. My response was not required even if deserved (which is a debatable staement about what is and isn't "deserved"). There is no reason why people can't have a debate without it becoming an insult fest. In the mean time, Wikipedia being a fansite doesn't mean it is an untrust worthy source. The conclusion you imply, is that those bias against Superman, could edit the article to have a less than impressive reflection. However, one can also conclude that a fan of great bias could exaggerate Superman's qualities. It seems like much of Wikipedia's comic book information is drawn from biographies, novels, television shows and the actual comics. In many super hero profiles, specific arcs are often mentioned (such as ones explaining Spider-Man making real webs, or Scarlet Witch and The House of M). I think Wikipedia is trust worthy. And if you doubt it's validity, then observe this web page

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=comics-sfaq#Q11

That specific portion makes reference to Superman's pre-death of superman strength levels. It even offers specific issues. Wikipedia can't be too far off to use the same canon references to explain his strength level.

[SSR_Forest]

I accept the apology. But people are too hastly around here to just call people names. Personal attacks are a sign of desperation and frustration in what could other wise be a logical discussion. Instead of simply bringing up evidence prove a person wrong, people have to insult them. If a person provides a source and you provide a better one, then so be it. It doesn't mean that people have to insult each other to do so. But that doesn't seem to be way of this forum, where people are automatiaclly snobbish and cocky.

With that said, I would also like to apologize. My response was not required even if deserved (which is a debatable staement about what is and isn't "deserved"). There is no reason why people can't have a debate without it becoming an insult fest. In the mean time, Wikipedia being a fansite doesn't mean it is an untrust worthy source. The conclusion you imply, is that those bias against Superman, could edit the article to have a less than impressive reflection. However, one can also conclude that a fan of great bias could exaggerate Superman's qualities. It seems like much of Wikipedia's comic book information is drawn from biographies, novels, television shows and the actual comics. In many super hero profiles, specific arcs are often mentioned (such as ones explaining Spider-Man making real webs, or Scarlet Witch and The House of M). I think Wikipedia is trust worthy. And if you doubt it's validity, then observe this web page

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=comics-sfaq#Q11

That specific portion makes reference to Superman's pre-death of superman strength levels. It even offers specific issues. Wikipedia can't be too far off to use the same canon references to explain his strength level.

Wikipedia changes infomation everytime I go to the site.(One time it's carrying the Great Pyramid million tons range) But your right about people rudeness at other posters,I apologize again. I still believe he is stronger then 800,000 tons,will prove my opinion with facts. Also just get annoyed of people thinking that superman always fight stupidly in fights. I believe if superman fights intelligently using his abilities to the fullest,he could get a couple of wins.

[Arach Knight]

Nobody thinks he fights stupidly...but most people automatically say

"He'll use his super speed and grab Hulk and throw him into space."

This completly ignores the fact that

-Spider-Man already threw Hulk into space
-Hulk can survive the vacuum of the space
-Hulk is likely to retaliate or at least hold onto Superman, if he tries to do so

Most people always assume Superman is going to outright attempt some world shattering and vile move. If these tactics were that effective, they would work on Doomsday and Darkseid, both of whom have bested Superman. More importantly, both lack his super speed. People can believe these two to lay it on Supes, but the creature that is literally physical strength personified, is an easy target. As for Wikipedia changing all the time, I would blame that more on the changing nature of comic books. When Superman was first created, he could not fly, he was not invulnerable and he didn't have half of the vision related powers that are attributed to him now. Pre-Crisis, he was pretty much a deity. Post-Crisis, Supes has been toned down a great deal (attributed to the John Bryne reboot of Superman) but he has gradually been given back more and more power. The same could be said of a lot of characters. Spider-Man recently underwent a change that again got rid of his need for web shooters. After a run in with a villain named The Queen, Spider-Man can now spin natural webs from his wrists. So in order to stay up to date, Wikipedia usually lists whatever is currently known for a character. Considering that Superman's strength is in the end, still unknown, 800,000 tons may just be a rough estimate for how much he has been known to lift.

[SSR_Forest]

Nobody thinks he fights stupidly...but most people automatically say

"He'll use his super speed and grab Hulk and throw him into space."

This completly ignores the fact that

-Spider-Man already threw Hulk into space
-Hulk can survive the vacuum of the space
-Hulk is likely to retaliate or at least hold onto Superman, if he tries to do so

Most people always assume Superman is going to outright attempt some world shattering and vile move. If these tactics were that effective, they would work on Doomsday and Darkseid, both of whom have bested Superman. More importantly, both lack his super speed. People can believe these two to lay it on Supes, but the creature that is literally physical strength personified, is an easy target. As for Wikipedia changing all the time, I would blame that more on the changing nature of comic books. When Superman was first created, he could not fly, he was not invulnerable and he didn't have half of the vision related powers that are attributed to him now. Pre-Crisis, he was pretty much a deity. Post-Crisis, Supes has been toned down a great deal (attributed to the John Bryne reboot of Superman) but he has gradually been given back more and more power. The same could be said of a lot of characters. Spider-Man recently underwent a change that again got rid of his need for web shooters. After a run in with a villain named The Queen, Spider-Man can now spin natural webs from his wrists. So in order to stay up to date, Wikipedia usually lists whatever is currently known for a character. Considering that Superman's strength is in the end, still unknown, 800,000 tons may just be a rough estimate for how much he has been known to lift.

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He probably won't get hulk in space as fast as wonderwoman but it's not out of the question,that he wouldn't try that tactical move on the hulk. Note the writer wrote the script for superman to carry wonderwoman to venus,but the artist put them close to the sun. It been mention by the writer that the sun is big enough to be shown that close to venus. Only example for now of superman talking a opponent into space in a fight. But I give other examples of superman fighting the hulk,with his other abilities. Instead of superman doing that going into space move.
Ps. He was made to believe that he was fighting doomsday and just doomsday killed lois.

Going to log off talk more about the fight tomorrow.

[Arach Knight]

Well that is well made example, but it sort of supports my ideas in a sense. Wonder Woman her self said he wasn't holding back and that he was trying to carry her to the sun. Now if he was going all out, it still took him a while to get out there to space. In that amount of time, the Hulk would have already been pissed off enough to more than knock Supes off himself. Considering that Hulk can regenerate entire organs tissue in minutes if angry enough...I don't think he would have to fear being beamed while being carried off. Even then, Huk can resist temperatures up to 9,000 Farenheit. So he could probably take a few shots before getting Supes off himself.

[Valorman]

hulk smash puny cape man into area with red sun

puny cape man loses power.HULK SMASH!!!

[Arach Knight]

That is not a logical conclusion. That victory would be assuming that

1)After striking Superman, he would fall unconcious

A) He would not be awake to deviate his path out of a solar system with a
red sun.

B) That there are no other objects in his path, to slow him down or hinder
him completly.

2) The Hulk has prior knowledge that Superman is weak against red suns. More
specifically, this requires the Hulk to know the location of a red sun.


My idea of Hulk winning is purely based on Hulk becoming so angry, that his physical strength matches or exceeds Supermans, and his healing factor is sped up to the point that Superman can do no damage to him. That is possible and probable. Where as your conclusion is possible but improbable.

[TheJuice]

Thunderclap KO's supes before the battles even started.

You know what I reallllllllllllly hate about DC characters (I know im gonna sound like a so called marvel zombie now but what the hell) is the fact that they constantly get stronger and stronger and gain new powers every five minutes. Its ridiculous. The flash with his becoming one with the speed force (although cool), steel with his aegis armour rubbish,wonder woman flying at 99% the speed of light (what happened to the invisible plane?) and becoming almost as strong as supes, Batman and his stupid prep time which can take down everybody, Green lantern who not weak against yellow anymore and whose limit is soley his imagination and superman with his ever changing powers.

Bah! what a crock!


And Marvel isn't doing the same???? Marvel is always trying to find ways to make their heros even more invincible. Like the Hulk for example. Knocking a astroid out of orbit before it hits earth? WTF?! And why some many various carnations of the Hulk? Demon Hulk, War Hulk, Savage Hulk, etc, etc, etc. Why can't Marvel just stick to one and keep it simple? To quote John Wayne, "It's gettin' to be re-goddamn-diculous."

[thewholeduty]

Do you all have any idea how much strenght it is to be able to move a planet? JUST THINK ABOUT IT!!! Just suppose Superman punched the hulk. It would make him explode. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT PHYSICS!?!?!? If the hulk cannot withstand a direct nuclear blast, then he CANNOT survive something that can move a planet. DONE! Superman wins. Not by anything other than strength. SO SHUT UP MARVEL FREAKS AND ADMIT IT! Besides if Superman could fly through a star he could then bring the hulk with him and...hulk is dead.

[saint sinner x]

Do you all have any idea how much strenght it is to be able to move a planet? JUST THINK ABOUT IT!!! Just suppose Superman punched the hulk. It would make him explode. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT PHYSICS!?!?!? If the hulk cannot withstand a direct nuclear blast, then he CANNOT survive something that can move a planet. DONE! Superman wins. Not by anything other than strength. SO SHUT UP MARVEL FREAKS AND ADMIT IT! Besides if Superman could fly through a star he could then bring the hulk with him and...hulk is dead.

I'm not a marvel freak lol anyways superman powers are not enough compare to hulks,the hulk has survive a nuke before so i don't know what your talking about come on if batman can beat superman and batman doesn't have powers than i suppose the hulk can also.And another thing bruce banner has created a way that the hulk would have his intellect therefor the hulk is way smarter than superman and more stronger than him and the hulk has regeneration powers you can't hurt something that regenerates.As for spiderman i don't know why are you comparing spiderman to superman and hulk and wonderwoman.here's the deal hulk would basicly kill superman and wonderwoman and spiderman and hulks strength is unspecify he lifted an island once with the population of 3,000 people.Now that's strength and he is not as fast as superman but he can leap 3miles and run up to 300miles per hour.Sorry dude but hulk is just unstoppable.

[Guyverjay]

And Marvel isn't doing the same???? Marvel is always trying to find ways to make their heros even more invincible. Like the Hulk for example. Knocking a astroid out of orbit before it hits earth? WTF?! And why some many various carnations of the Hulk? Demon Hulk, War Hulk, Savage Hulk, etc, etc, etc. Why can't Marvel just stick to one and keep it simple? To quote John Wayne, "It's gettin' to be re-goddamn-diculous."


LOL nice one quoting a post that years old, you rule:up:

:rolleyes:

As for your little tirade, THATS the Hulks power: STRENGTH, its ALWAYS been variable STRENGTH, so NO CHANGE THERE

[Arach Knight]

And Marvel isn't doing the same???? Marvel is always trying to find ways to make their heros even more invincible. Like the Hulk for example. Knocking a astroid out of orbit before it hits earth? WTF?! And why some many various carnations of the Hulk? Demon Hulk, War Hulk, Savage Hulk, etc, etc, etc. Why can't Marvel just stick to one and keep it simple? To quote John Wayne, "It's gettin' to be re-goddamn-diculous."

-The different versions of the Hulk either

A)Represent Hulk in alternate realities or timelines

B)Different ego's. The Hulk is deeply rooted in psychological persona. The Savage Hulk for instance, is all of Bruces repressed rage.

-The Hulk's super strength has always been stated to be immeasurable or at least unknown. The heaviest thing lifted by the Hulk was a 150 billion ton mountain. But he isn't always that strong. His physical strength is cirumstantial. So there is nothing new there

-Marvel's heros are usually pretty consistent. Secondary mutations are the first real leap foward in drastic differences (Emma Frost turning into diamond, Angel healing with his blood, Beast looking more like an animal etc etc). In Spider-Mans 40 year history, the only new power he has, is organic webbing. Cyclops still only shoots optic blasts. Captain America is still a super solider from WWII. That isn't like The Flash going from being really fast, to having a family line that merges him with time and speed itself. Or a Superman that went from leaping 1/8 of a mile, to being able to travel through time, only to be depowered to only 99% the speed of light. Most of DC's regular characters, are as powerful as some of Marvel's cosmic class characters. That is just dumb. Everybody in the DC universe is basically over powered. Come on. Platsic Man can beat Fernus...just stupid...

[Superman sucks]

Yo, Super Man is the stuff Wonder women is like the same thing, Hulk is the strongest superhero ever. Spider Man is really fast and can web every where but dont forget about spidey scences he knows like always before he hits him so he doge it but it always dosent work, Ok, it will start out hulk would take out spidey Super man will take out wonder women :supes: then hulk and super man will have lie a long battle with epople get punched and people flying and stuff but I think the hulk will come out on top :O.

[larryfilmmaker]

-The different versions of the Hulk either

A)Represent Hulk in alternate realities or timelines

B)Different ego's. The Hulk is deeply rooted in psychological persona. The Savage Hulk for instance, is all of Bruces repressed rage.

-The Hulk's super strength has always been stated to be immeasurable or at least unknown. The heaviest thing lifted by the Hulk was a 150 billion ton mountain. But he isn't always that strong. His physical strength is cirumstantial. So there is nothing new there

-Marvel's heros are usually pretty consistent. Secondary mutations are the first real leap foward in drastic differences (Emma Frost turning into diamond, Angel healing with his blood, Beast looking more like an animal etc etc). In Spider-Mans 40 year history, the only new power he has, is organic webbing. Cyclops still only shoots optic blasts. Captain America is still a super solider from WWII. That isn't like The Flash going from being really fast, to having a family line that merges him with time and speed itself. Or a Superman that went from leaping 1/8 of a mile, to being able to travel through time, only to be depowered to only 99% the speed of light. Most of DC's regular characters, are as powerful as some of Marvel's cosmic class characters. That is just dumb. Everybody in the DC universe is basically over powered. Come on. Platsic Man can beat Fernus...just stupid...


Actually, I like the idea of one of the two comic franchises going a different route other than the cliche "underdog" superhero theme. Having Supes be completely unbeatable in some storylines makes for some really interesting stories (like Kingdom Come for example). Having the Hulk and Juggernaut be almost unstoppable makes for some really cool stories too. I don't like seeing people complain that a character is "too strong" because that's sort of silly. Power levels are irrelevant. Hell, sometimes Superman can turn back time, sometimes he can almost keep up with the Flash, and sometime he hasn't got a chance. Same goes for Batman, or Cyclops... sometimes Apocalypse wants him as the new leader of the horsemen and sometimes he's the first x-man to go down in a fight. Power levels change because they need to in order to tell different stories. Asking who would win in a fight can never be answered because you know what? There are about 800 different versions of Hulk, 100 of Superman, 50 of Batman, etc. People say Batman could take Superman in a fight... that's ridiculous but in some stories it's possible because the writers write very specific reasons on WHY Batman has the advantage (like how Superman never fights back). Hell, in one book Green Lantern knocked out Supes and in another one, Superman easily trashed 1,000 Green Lanterns (Red Son). Trying to pick who would win in a fight is really dumb... but I'd say the average person would say Superman, then Hulk, then Wonder Woman, then Spiderman because that's where the average person sees them strength-wise.... nothing wrong with that.

[elvislennon2005]

Superman will win hands down. Would you like to know why? Because Superman has beat the Hulk 4 times already and Hulk hasn't even won one time yet. They fought 4 times in comics and Superman is 4-0. Spiderman will be first out of the fight then it will be Wonder Woman then it will be The Hulk.

[super saiyan x]

I believe that the hulk will stand out as the victor.


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lol.:supes:

[Candyman]

Because Superman has beat the Hulk 4 times already and Hulk hasn't even won one time yet.

Yes, he has.

They fought 4 times in comics and Superman is 4-0.

No, he's not.

Why do people on this board make stuff up?

[elvislennon2005]

Yes, he has.



No, he's not.

Why do people on this board make stuff up?

Ummmm. yes he has because I got all four comics.....:supes:

[Guyverjay]

I know of 3

Marvel vs DC
Superman/Spider-man crossover
Hulk vs Superman one shot (1999)


in which Superman has won only one (marvel vs DC). The rest were no contests. What was the other one?

[elvislennon2005]

I know of 3

Marvel vs DC
Superman/Spider-man crossover
Hulk vs Superman one shot (1999)


in which Superman has won only one (marvel vs DC). The rest were no contests. What was the other one?

There was on just after Superman/Spiderman Crossover. But the Hulk and Thor and Sub-Mariner was in this one. The story went something like that a large Earthquake happen and Superman went to there and see if anybody was hurt and suddenly Thor appear and Superman thought he was the cause of the earthquake and Thor didn't cause it (when it was found out near the end). Superman and Thor got in a big fight. Superman got one hit on thor that caught him by surprise and knock Thor out. Another earthquake suddenly happens and Sub-Mariner appears. Superman went there to see if anybody was kill and Sub-Mariner was there and Superman didn't get a fight with him. Because just before Superman got in a fight with him Aquaman appear (because the earthquake happen near the ocean) and Sub-Mariner and Aquaman got into a fight and Aquaman hit him and Sub-Mariner fell into the ocean. Well they got into a fight again and Aquaman went to Atlantis and put Sub-Mariner in what we could call a jail for the time being until Superman figure out how those Earthquakes happen. Then one final one happens and Superman flew to that site and got in a big fight with the Hulk. Superman and Hulk as it said in the comics for a few days (I think you can figure out why it last for a few days, if not it because the Hulk gets stronger when he gets more mad). This is how Superman figure out how to stop the Hulk. See the more Hulk gets mad the more savage he gets (Hulk can't control himself when he gets this mad) So Superman pushes his limits with the Hulk and gave the Hulk one big hit in the face that sends the Hulk up in the air and then Hulk falls and hits the ground and knocking him out. Then Superman finds out during this fight that another Earthquake happen and when he goes to that site (no on more marvel characters shows up) Luthor causes the earhtquake and made the Marvel characters appears. Luthor goes to jail and Superman send the Marvel characters where they belong. This comic is very hard to find. I found mine by luck. I paid 20 dollars for mine.

[TheGreenRock]

ok, what's up with all these people saying that hulk would beat superman or even that it would be a long fight. assuming superman gives up his no killing policy (which may be a stretch), the fight's over instantly. how about...heat vision= hole right through the hulk hundreds of feet away. ok, if he won't kill, then i could see it last a while, but keep in mind: superman's invincible, hulk isn't, so no matter what you say, hulk couldn't win and neither would ever allow a stalemate (sp?...ahh, who cares)

[Guyverjay]

There was on just after Superman/Spiderman Crossover. But the Hulk and Thor and Sub-Mariner was in this one. The story went something like that a large Earthquake happen and Superman went to there and see if anybody was hurt and suddenly Thor appear and Superman thought he was the cause of the earthquake and Thor didn't cause it (when it was found out near the end). Superman and Thor got in a big fight. Superman got one hit on thor that caught him by surprise and knock Thor out. Another earthquake suddenly happens and Sub-Mariner appears. Superman went there to see if anybody was kill and Sub-Mariner was there and Superman didn't get a fight with him. Because just before Superman got in a fight with him Aquaman appear (because the earthquake happen near the ocean) and Sub-Mariner and Aquaman got into a fight and Aquaman hit him and Sub-Mariner fell into the ocean. Well they got into a fight again and Aquaman went to Atlantis and put Sub-Mariner in what we could call a jail for the time being until Superman figure out how those Earthquakes happen. Then one final one happens and Superman flew to that site and got in a big fight with the Hulk. Superman and Hulk as it said in the comics for a few days (I think you can figure out why it last for a few days, if not it because the Hulk gets stronger when he gets more mad). This is how Superman figure out how to stop the Hulk. See the more Hulk gets mad the more savage he gets (Hulk can't control himself when he gets this mad) So Superman pushes his limits with the Hulk and gave the Hulk one big hit in the face that sends the Hulk up in the air and then Hulk falls and hits the ground and knocking him out. Then Superman finds out during this fight that another Earthquake happen and when he goes to that site (no on more marvel characters shows up) Luthor causes the earhtquake and made the Marvel characters appears. Luthor goes to jail and Superman send the Marvel characters where they belong. This comic is very hard to find. I found mine by luck. I paid 20 dollars for mine.


You know a NAME would be nice:o

[elvislennon2005]

You know a NAME would be nice:o

umm....I haven't seen my Superman comics in a few months. I got them put away right now. I don't remember the title right off, i got to look at it. But I do remember what the cover look like. It had Superman hitting the Hulk while in the background is Thor on the ground and Aquaman hitting Sub-Mariner. I look for it and let you know as soon as possible.

[newmexneon]

ok, what's up with all these people saying that hulk would beat superman or even that it would be a long fight. assuming superman gives up his no killing policy (which may be a stretch), the fight's over instantly. how about...heat vision= hole right through the hulk hundreds of feet away. ok, if he won't kill, then i could see it last a while, but keep in mind: superman's invincible, hulk isn't, so no matter what you say, hulk couldn't win and neither would ever allow a stalemate (sp?...ahh, who cares)

Superman isn't completely invulnerable. For him to beat the Hulk he will have to fight intelligently and use all of his powers. He is not going to win if he tries to go in and trade blows with the Hulk for the entire time. That will just piss the Hulk off and make him stronger. Superman could gain an easy victory if he carried Hulk up into the upper atmosphere because hulk can't breathe in space.

[Human Spidey]

Superman can hear an insect's heartbeat on the other side of the planet.

Funny. He has the same frequency hearing of a Blue Whale, supposedly the best on the planet, but not that good.

hulk can't breathe in space

Please correct me if i'm wrong but the Hulk can definetly breathe in space, i mean in Hulk #90 he goes into space to destroy weapons for Nick Fury.

In terms of strength i reckon its pretty close between Superman and The Hulk. However spiderman does have a spider sense (in real life the spider that does have a sense, is extremely great at dodging things) so there is even a chance that spiderman may be able to dodge superman coming in at very high speeds, very high speeds.

To this question there isn't really an answer, as it would matter what would happen at the time.

[elvislennon2005]

Funny. He has the same frequency hearing of a Blue Whale, supposedly the best on the planet, but not that good.



Please correct me if i'm wrong but the Hulk can definetly breathe in space, i mean in Hulk #90 he goes into space to destroy weapons for Nick Fury.

In terms of strength i reckon its pretty close between Superman and The Hulk. However spiderman does have a spider sense (in real life the spider that does have a sense, is extremely great at dodging things) so there is even a chance that spiderman may be able to dodge superman coming in at very high speeds, very high speeds.

To this question there isn't really an answer, as it would matter what would happen at the time.

See that doesn't make any sense at all. Hulk shouldn't be able to breath in space or if you are telling the truth that is. He is from another planet. At least Superman is from another planet. If Hulk's strength is close to Superman how come he gets his butt kicked ever time they meet up.

You know a NAME would be nice:o
I have found the other comic that has Hulk and Superman fighting for a fourth time. It is titled Superman vs Marvel. This comic was pulled because when you see Superman vs Marvel many thought it meant Superman vs Captain Marvel. But it just says Superman vs Marvel. It is just like I said before it has Superman hitting the Hulk while in the background is Thor on the ground and Aquaman hitting Sub-Mariner. The sky is a blue and you see the sunrays hitting Superman, Hulk, and Aquaman and Sub-Mariner. The comic is 50 page comic book.

[aquiles]

superman cricifies spiderman and hulk

[newmexneon]

Please correct me if i'm wrong but the Hulk can definetly breathe in space, i mean in Hulk #90 he goes into space to destroy weapons for Nick Fury.



Yes he goes into space but if you look at it again, Hulk is wearing an o2 mask.

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/672/672684/comics-reviews-for-november-30-2005-20051130030353221.jpg

[elvislennon2005]

Yes he goes into space but if you look at it again, Hulk is wearing an o2 mask.

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/672/672684/comics-reviews-for-november-30-2005-20051130030353221.jpg

Now I see. I knew there has to be a reason why Hulk is breathing in space.

[elsaracen]

my god there's no winning on these silly forums. if some fanboy says Superman beat up Hulk it's "that wasn't the strongest Hulk" or "yeah, but that was PreCris Supes and he's too strong". so i realized... we're comparing the strongest possible version of Hulk ever against the weakest possible Superman and that's the only thing that's gonna make this debateable? well, then sounds like big blue obviously gets the W. anyways, i realized that i totally geeked out on these forums and "lowered" myself to ranting fanboy status lol. yeesh. if my gf saw these boards we'd be history lol.lol.that's the double identy crisis a lot of us have due to reading up on cheesetastic characters that have dual identities all day long ,lol,our only real similarity to them.
I don't see why people here claim that Supes is an American Icon. Spider-Man is many times more popular as shown by his far more enduring legacy of cartoons, comic book popularity, and the fact that his movies greatly surpassed any Superman film. Superman Returns won't even make a dent in the original Spider-Man (which is the third most grossing movie of all time). Superman may be a comic book hero icon, but I seriously doubt he is an American icon. I don't see too many kids wearing Superman backpacks (not that I see them in much more than Yugi-Oh and Pokemon). Sure the JLA cartoon features Superman...but the way I see it, his time as being this important figure has long gone. These are the days of "truth, justice and the American way"...that Supes is long dead. Supes is an american icon even if not the most popular,and he hasn't been the most popular for a long time.Just like Coco Cola,the first true international company is the symbol of american enterprise and capitalism even though there are more capitalistic companies since then.Did a search on google and 'batman' returned over 18 million results 'spiderman' got 12 million and 'superman' just 9 million.I think the diconnect happens because Supes is so symbolic.We humans are vain creatures so while we may admire Superman and his traits,he is not one of us,(Batman completely normal =mostpopularand then wolverine and spiderman normal with a little pizzaz)which in my opinion will always keep him on the sidelines.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Spider-Man would be defeated first,then Wonder Woman,then there would be the classic showdown between Hulk and Superman.Superman would win,barely.

[elsaracen]

Superman was created to be a solo character to just dazzle us with feats because there were no other superheroes, leading to the character not having much continuity and all manner of crazy abilities( BTW I thought everyone knew Supes is a copycat of Jesus as is much of the Star Wars saga ,who in turn is said , mostly by non christians,to be based on Hercules and Moses).Tie ins did not happen until a long while after( at first w/ Wonderwoman who is most similar to Superman) a lot of other superheroes were created and even then didn't do that a lot until JLA, for money making reasons I'd bet.Other characters esp. Batman were not made to be living in the same universe as Superman. This is where it gets crazy as now they all have to be measured against Superman and all the god-like feats he does as a solo character are no longer applicable and so were diminished ( first done to appease critics of comics in the late 40's n 50's because Superman was too above it all including to the US government and the law a fact that is satirized in the Justice League anim. series)as the editors want to democratize the scenario, but still want him to be Superman, with the same respect due to an elder so there is always a struggle with how to balance them out.At the same time they want to praise actual human attributes so Batman is made to be able to seem to 'hang'.EVEN then their powers are still all over the map .They should have made exacting statistics of the powers to begin with.Even super talented Disney animators have to constantly look at themselves in mirrors and at models.c'mon why'd WW have to block bullets if she's almost as strong as Superman?
To add to the madness is haviing cross-overs with Marvel whose main characters were created in a different era and were meant to reflect real time happenings in the society and so were more intuitive to the human condition.Thus marvel utilises much more of a serial and continuous method of storytelling and so the characters are usually much more muted in terms of powers.The Hulk only became so powerful because of poeple like you were always making comparisons between DC's most powerful character and Marvel's(which started out more closely to T.V's Hulk) so they amped up the Hulk to similar levels so that more direct comparisons could be made between the two actual companies.THAT is why I was not a fan of crossovers.IT's like mixing oil and water.Look at the movie genres:Superman=Fantasy(absolutely.He kisses Lois Lane and she loses her memory!!??flying at the speed at light leads to infinite mass ala E=mcSquared and require infinite energy:he would either cease to exist in this dimension or instantly create a blackhole .And a solar panel collects 20% of all the sun's available energy for that sized area but I don't have any touble breaking any panel apart...okay.. with a hammer.) Batman=Action(completely realistic if a there was a rich schizoed vigilante) ,Spiderman,X-men and the Hulk=Sci-fi (based loosely on certain real scientific principles ,I mean ,instant white people from a single gene out of 3 billion??!!). the last three are the only ones I don't mind seeing crossover.I only liked the different DC animated series because they watered down Superman's and some others powers making it seem like Batman/Bane/ Raish al Ghul could handle Superman in a bout for a few seconds/minutes/minutes respectively, and he can't fly freely in space.
(geez all this breathing in space buullcrap;space is a VACUUM:there is no godamn breathing in space ! the writers are just taking poetic liscense cuz don't think fir a sec they don know dis fact so no rules apply in this regard)

[elvislennon2005]

Superman has been and always shall be America's true icon but there is another one to rank up with him. See you can say Spiderman is more popular and the only reason why is do to the fact of Spiderman movie. I live in Georgia and before the Spiderman movie came out I see kids and adults wearing either two icons of America Superman or Batman, yes I say Batman. These characters was the first with Superman' first comic which came out in 1938 and Batman came out in 1939. Superman has strength and other abilties on his side. While Batman has different gadgets to get him by and has no strength compare to Superman but Batman has been trained in different forms of Martial Arts. Now you need to look at this. With Spiderman he knew when his Uncle Ben died that he can use his abilties for the common good (with great power comes with great responsibilities). Well doesn't that sound like Superman and Batman who was first on the comic book scene. First let's talk about Superman. He was born with his abilities - strength, flying, x-ray vision, heat vision, etc...) Now in Superman: The Movie his earth father Jonathan Kent told him that he was sent here for a reason (sounds like what Uncle Ben told Peter Parker but using different words). But in the movie Jor-El told Superman that he was forbidden to interfer in earth's history. Well he did by turning time backwards to save Lois from dying in the earthquake. He did it again in Superman IV when earth using nuclear weapons against each other. As for Batman he saves Gotham from people like the Joker, Ridder and others. Superman and Batman are the first and the best. They will live forever as america's icon.

[CK1]

As much a Supes fan as I am, I would have to say Hulk would win. After easily taking out WW and Spider-Man, the 3th issue the writers would make something stupid up like Gamma Radiation in the Marvel U. is the same thing as Kryptonite Radiation in the DC U. and they &!^@# and moan because they brought the ball to the playground and they are going home.










-nootch

[KaptainKrypton]

Guess who I think would win?

[elsaracen]

Superman had it really difficult beating Hulk knock off Solomon Grundy soma give the win to the original

[Jplaya2023]

How could Spider-Man POSSIBLY take out Superman, Hulk, AND Wonder Woman?

Easily, he is the marvel G.O.A.T. :spidey:

[fangrl06]

Yup. Spidey would take them all! although he might have a tough time with Wonder Woman...:spidey: :venom: :gg: :bomb:

[Jplaya2023]

Yup. Spidey would take them all! although he might have a tough time with Wonder Woman...:spidey: :venom: :gg: :bomb:

Spiderman is attractive to dianne so he would take it easy on her but still win.

[fangrl06]

Spiderman is attractive to dianne so he would take it easy on her but still win.
Yup, Spidey's a PIMP!

[el sensei]

I think Spider-Man would have a good chance at defeating Wonder Woman in her previous incarnation... the one the TV show was based on, but now she is close to Superman's strength level.
I believe that that crap about ww being on supermans power lvl sucks, but anyway supes will beat the crap out of her

[el sensei]

How on Earth can anybody believe that Spider-man could take down Wonder Woman?

Wonder Woman is a lot stronger than some people think. She is third behind Superman and Captain Marvel in DC when it comes to
strength. She has been able to daze even Superman with her blows. A guy who can survive a series of nukes before dying.

An often ignored WW talent is her fighting skills. She is actually superior even to the likes of Batman and Captain America in this regard. Because she has had centuries to train. She could simply block or dodge Spidey's blows all day long. Even when her speed was around the speed of sound, WW could block machine gunfire coming at her from all sides with her bracelets. That's superhuman
accuracy for you.

The poster I have quoted claims that WW has only human speed. That is incorrect. She is not that far behind Superman in speed, and he has reached a maximum of 99% of the speed of light in atmosphere. I'd place WW in 70%-90% of lightspeed. She also reacts at that speed, as the time she checked a bunch of people for some virus spreader without being detected (JLA: Tower of Babel) indicates.

Even Spidey's intellect wouldn't really be much of a factor unless he was able to use a Dr. Doom scenerio. WW is a master battle tactician who came up with some pretty good plans to take down the JLA in JLA: a League of One.

When you think about it, Spidey's only saving grace is the fact that unless she's up against magic, WW is not invulnerable. Her durability seems to enough that she can take a punch from someone with Hulk-level strength, but is still not tough enough that she doesn't need to worry about bullets. Therefore, Spider-man's fists can hurt her, and if he can gets a surprise assault on her, possibly even knock her out. Still, this is his only advantage. And quite frankly, it's not enough for him to even get one win out of ten.

On the actual topic, Spidey and Hulk are out cold in the first millisecond. Superman then takes Wonder Woman out.
Man hulk would beat ww with two punches:thing:

[Captain Marvel!]

dude, she doesn't have the speed Hermus, she has the speed of Mercury!

[larryfilmmaker]

I think I could beat them all up if I just believe in myself, used the force, never gave up, and every other cliche that makes people win in fights.

[GreenKToo]

I have that book somewhere.....The hulked knocked supes about a mile away.supes came back ,and said 'when I dont want to be moved,no force on earth can move me'I don't remember that ever happening

[GreenKToo]

Does any one know of a site that shows strength levels of heros and villians??

[GreenKToo]

o.k.I checked out a few sites I found.it says supermans power level is beleive it or not ..1 1/5 trillion tons...all I could find on the hulk said about 500 tons.I thought it would have been more than that.I couldnt find any thing on W.W. or spidey...

[AmbientFire]

what sites did you check?

[GreenKToo]

Worldwide Comics.go to the forum.then go to the colosseum..pretty cool .I'm not a comic book geek and those guys are.seems they know all.just check it out and make up your own mind.they will give you issues to back up what they say.

[AmbientFire]

cool, thanks
i can't even imagine what a trillion looks like

[GreenKToo]

I know what you mean..can u imagine it?? an aircraft carrier weighs about 150,000 tons,and their sayin he can lift over a trillion??that just seems to strong to me.cool, thanks
i can't even imagine what a trillion looks like

[Andy C.]

I think they were talking about Pre-Crisis "look at me move these planets around like it's no big deal" Superman.

Anyway, like the majority here, I put my money on Big Blue, but unlike the majority here, I say Hulk would go down first.

Why?

First off, Hulk may be the strongest out of the group, but only after getting getting angrier and angrier for a time. Superman and WW don't have to "power up;" their maximum strength is available to them right from the start. Spider-Man's no slouch, either, and though he'd hardly be effective once Hulk got mad enough, I imagine he could get a couple solid licks in at the start.

Secondly, everyone involved is quite intelligent (Spidey's a genius scientist, WW's a brilliant tactician, and Superman has been known to match wits with Batman and Luthor, the smartest guys in the DCU), and would likely realize that the best course of action would be to remove the most unpredictable and dangerous element, namely Hulk (especially if there are civilians around). Superman and Wonder Woman have teamed up numerous times before, and I don't think it would be too hard to imagine Spidey hooking up with them to take out a big green monster.

I figure in the opening moments of the fight -provided Hulk has just transformed, unless we're giving him that vaunted "prep time" too- Spider-Man would work either as a distraction or as crowd control while Superman and Wonder Woman double-team him into unconsciousness ("infinite rage" or not, there's no way Hulk would be able to stand up to both of them at once) From there, Spidey either throws in the towel or gets taken out quickly, and Supes and WW slug it out in the end.

Not exactly a fair fight, since most DC heroes are way over-powered compared to Marvel's, but that's how I see it going down.

[larryfilmmaker]

I think they were talking about Pre-Crisis "look at me move these planets around like it's no big deal" Superman.

Anyway, like the majority here, I put my money on Big Blue, but unlike the majority here, I say Hulk would go down first.

Why?

First off, Hulk may be the strongest out of the group, but only after getting getting angrier and angrier for a time. Superman and WW don't have to "power up;" their maximum strength is available to them right from the start. Spider-Man's no slouch, either, and though he'd hardly be effective once Hulk got mad enough, I imagine he could get a couple solid licks in at the start.

Secondly, everyone involved is quite intelligent (Spidey's a genius scientist, WW's a brilliant tactician, and Superman has been known to match wits with Batman and Luthor, the smartest guys in the DCU), and would likely realize that the best course of action would be to remove the most unpredictable and dangerous element, namely Hulk (especially if there are civilians around). Superman and Wonder Woman have teamed up numerous times before, and I don't think it would be too hard to imagine Spidey hooking up with them to take out a big green monster.

I figure in the opening moments of the fight -provided Hulk has just transformed, unless we're giving him that vaunted "prep time" too- Spider-Man would work either as a distraction or as crowd control while Superman and Wonder Woman double-team him into unconsciousness ("infinite rage" or not, there's no way Hulk would be able to stand up to both of them at once) From there, Spidey either throws in the towel or gets taken out quickly, and Supes and WW slug it out in the end.

Not exactly a fair fight, since most DC heroes are way over-powered compared to Marvel's, but that's how I see it going down.

If it were actually a comic... that's probably exactly how it would go down, followed by Spidey and WW teaming against Supes as their only chance... but I think he'd come out on top, as the king should. haha

[brainchild81]

We should take Spidey out of this battle and put Silver Surfer in. He'll teach Supes a lesson

[larryfilmmaker]

We should take Spidey out of this battle and put Silver Surfer in. He'll teach Supes a lesson

he would hit Superman with his intergalactic surfboard? dumbest character ever... but take away the surfboard and give him flight and he's so much cooler

[Kid_Kaos]

If there's no Kryptonite around --> it's obviously Superman!
You can pick every hero you want and Supes will win. That's why he's bland to some people. He's perfect in any way. All other characters who were created after him have either less powers or bigger weaknesses.

I think the more interesting question would be what villain could take on/out Supes, without K, only with his powers?
--> Darkseid? Zod? Galactus?

I think i read somewhere that Mr. Mxyzptlk could kill Superman whenever he would like to 'cause of his "dimension altering" powers. He could just dissipate Supes (or any other being) in billion pieces. (?)

[Hulkzilla]

HULK IS STRONGEST ONE THERE IS
:hulk:

[larryfilmmaker]

If there's no Kryptonite around --> it's obviously Superman!
You can pick every hero you want and Supes will win. That's why he's bland to some people. He's perfect in any way. All other characters who were created after him have either less powers or bigger weaknesses.

I think the more interesting question would be what villain could take on/out Supes, without K, only with his powers?
--> Darkseid? Zod? Galactus?

I think i read somewhere that Mr. Mxyzptlk could kill Superman whenever he would like to 'cause of his "dimension altering" powers. He could just dissipate Supes (or any other being) in billion pieces. (?)

That's the Superman generalization that sucks. "He's too strong, that makes him boring" and yet Hulk fans say "nobdoy can beat the Hulk!". Neither character is dull or boring in any way. Superman is not about who can beat up who. That's the most juvenile way of looking at a character. He represents man's infinite potential (it's an optimistic point of view, yeah) and that potential is represented by his neverending integrity and the great physical feats he's capable of. To have anybody beat him destroys everything he stands for. As Batman put it: "He's an unstoppable force of good." Not only should we not be looking for people who can beat him in a fight, we also shouldn't WANT anybody to beat him in a fight. Like Batman, Spidey, and all the others... the character is NOT about this guy vs. that guy. In the physical aspect, he SHOULD be unstoppable.

Why are fans only happy with down and dirty underdogs who spew one liners, get beat up, but win anyways? There's nothing wrong with that sort of character... but does that mean they ALL have to be underdogs? Why are we only happy when the most powerful being is a bad guy? Aren't there more aspects of life to explore than just "gee, NOW how's our hero gonna beat this guy up?" Kingdom Come is probably the greatest graphic novel written (obviously arguable against greats like DKR and Watchmen) and it establishes IMMEDIATELY: Superman and Captain Marvel are at an untouchable level. Batman can't hurt them, GL can't, nobody can. They sit alone at the top of the power level food chain. Know what? That has very little to do with the story and Batman and the others are still just as great as they've always been. The best stories are about so much more than "Who'd win in a fight?" Hulk vs. Superman is iffy because Superman represents the power of good and Hulk represents the power of rage. Both are symbollic of what's inside of every man. It would completely destroy the symbolism of Superman to have him lose one on one with Hulk. It would be an excellent Hulk story to have his rage defeated by integrity... a lesson learned. THere is greater strength than anger. Think about story, not who's cooler or tougher.

[brainchild81]

he would hit Superman with his intergalactic surfboard?Nah. He can trap him in the surfboard(done it to others before), shoot him w/K radiation, shoot him w/red sunlight, yank the energy right out of him, turn his clothes into K. Many ways for Surfer to make Supes pay for wearing his underoos on the outside. dumbest character ever...Dumber than a guy who takes his glasses off and somehow people don't recognize him? I think not

[Kid_Kaos]

@ larryfilmmaker
Sorry, didn't want to offend you. I just answered the question from the poll. To me the S character is much more than fighting. But when it comes to that, NO other comic hero can beat him without some green K. (If we block out the dozens of terrible other versions of that stuff.) :supes:

[larryfilmmaker]

haha nothing posted on a forum will ever offend me, don't sweat it. Unless you called me a no good, mother grabbing bastard. That always makes my blood boil.

[larryfilmmaker]

Many ways for Surfer to make Supes pay for wearing his underoos on the outside.

as opposed to surfing around naked with no penis?