The Superman Look: Shaping Superman

[DorkyFresh]

i know a lot of people are complaining about the suit, but one of my biggest complaints about Supes's appearance is actually his haircut/hairstyle. he looks perfect as Clark, but i think we all agree that he looks a bit like SuperBOY instead of SuperMAN and i don't necessarily think it's his face that gives his boyish looks but his hair. i seriously think they need to give him a trim for the sequel...look how much of a difference a haircut can make...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superboy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superman1.jpg

who here agrees and who here thinks i'm nuts and who here thinks this is a dumb thread?

[bunk]

It definetly should be shorter, think Jim Lee.

[SupermanCan]

He should just slick his hair back and leave down the curl.

[DavidTyler]

I have a real problem when Hollywood missunderstands that 'curl'. It's supposed to be a stubborn forelock that falls when Superman goes into action. It's not supposed to be an affectation that he does when he puts on the suit.

I wish they would stop greasing it and making it look so deliberate. Find a way to let it fall naturally.

[ervann]

Agree with every post thus far.

His hair looks ridiculous. For filming, at times they actually had a fake curl that was attached to his hair (see DVD docu). Stupid.

[Taiwarriorz21]

IDK Just fix the curl definitely.

[Super Kal]

i know a lot of people are complaining about the suit, but one of my biggest complaints about Supes's appearance is actually his haircut/hairstyle. he looks perfect as Clark, but i think we all agree that he looks a bit like SuperBOY instead of SuperMAN and i don't necessarily think it's his face that gives his boyish looks but his hair. i seriously think they need to give him a trim for the sequel...look how much of a difference a haircut can make...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superboy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superman1.jpg

who here agrees and who here thinks i'm nuts and who here thinks this is a dumb thread?
well, i agree with you... and I also like the manip. :up:

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Yea the hair was just one of many things wrong with Routh's Superman.

[lordofthenerds]

You guys complain about every everything from this movie. Seriously, who thinks abot the length of a superhero's hair?

[Super Kal]

well, obviously someone does...

[bunk]

Agree with every post thus far.

His hair looks ridiculous. For filming, at times they actually had a fake curl that was attached to his hair (see DVD docu). Stupid.

Yeah, I saw that but, she said it had never been used right? It was in case of an emergency.

[lordofthenerds]

well, obviously someone does...
Well I meant the general audience.

[DorkyFresh]

you have the handle "lordofthenerds" and your more concerned about the general audience's opinion than you are about Superman's hair looking good?


what kinda of a nerd are you???

[Kal-El 8]

i know a lot of people are complaining about the suit, but one of my biggest complaints about Supes's appearance is actually his haircut/hairstyle. he looks perfect as Clark, but i think we all agree that he looks a bit like SuperBOY instead of SuperMAN and i don't necessarily think it's his face that gives his boyish looks but his hair. i seriously think they need to give him a trim for the sequel...look how much of a difference a haircut can make...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superboy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superman1.jpg

who here agrees and who here thinks i'm nuts and who here thinks this is a dumb thread?

I agree the s curl needs a good trim for the sequel .

[lordofthenerds]

you have the handle "lordofthenerds" and your more concerned about the general audience's opinion than you are about Superman's hair looking good?


what kinda of a nerd are you???
A nerd who doesn't give a damn about other people's hair obviously. :)

[DorkyFresh]

oh okay.....then....why are you posting here if you don't care?

[lordofthenerds]

Because I wanted to acknowldge that I don't care...:huh:

[Kal-El 8]

I think The S curl should be the same as the one Brandon had in his screen test.

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Film/Superman%20Returns/BlueTights/BT_047.jpg

[DorkyFresh]

Because I wanted to acknowldge that I don't care...:huh:
well...you already know you don't care, so why would you need to acknowledge it? :oldrazz: hehe...just messin' w/ya. okay...WE acknowledge that you don't care...thanks for your non-input.

I think The S curl should be the same as the one Brandon had in his screen test.
agreed...i dunno wasup with the costume designer's fetish with the "S" but it seems to have influenced the hair designer also. i don't think Supes' curl needs to be in the shape of an "S"...just so long as he has a curl. i'm sure the audience isn't going to boo Superman just because his curl isn't perfectly in the shape of an "S".

when you have someone like Routh who has straight hair, it's better to just go with the flow instead of forcing the hair to conform to a certain shape which is what they tried to do for the movie. you can't do to Routh's hair what they did with Reeve's hair. Reeve had somewhat wavy hair...Routh's hair is pretty straight. different hairstyles for different types of hair i say...

[Hades]

Why not just give him wavy hair:huh:

Then the S curl would make more sense, but wouldn't seem so cheesy. I have wavy hair, and somehow an S kind of curl mange to form in the middle of my forehead....it's strange, and embarrasing.

[lordofthenerds]

well...you already know you don't care, so why would you need to acknowledge it? :oldrazz: hehe...just messin' w/ya. okay...WE acknowledge that you don't care...thanks for your non-input.

Damn...:O :o

Alright here's my input, I'm fine Routh's hair how it is. Happy?

[TheBat812]

I was fine with his hair for this movie, but I wouldn't mind a Jim lee type hair, it would look great on Routh.

[DorkyFresh]

no...i won't be happy until the people in charge of Superman's appearance on screen get their $#!+ together dammit!

[lujho]

Yes. Give him wavy hair. Make it shorter, especially back and sides. reverse the part.

Have Superman's hair be loose and tousled and Clark's be neat and in place. The movie pretty much did it the opposite way around - as did Lois and Clark.

For heaven's sake, have keep the hair (except Superman's forelock) away from his forehead. Keep it back and show the hairline. I don't know why they comb it down over half his forehead like that, it looks so lame. Reeve had the same thing in the first 2 movies.

In other words just make it like the vast majority of Superman comics in the last 20 years - that is to say, NOT STUPID.

The key thing is, Superman's hair is Clark's hair, messed up. Not the other way around, and not some ridiculously contrived... contrivance of hairgel and fake curl.

Kirk Alyn had it right. Not QUITE the right style but the right idea. Natural curl as Superman, nice and neat for Clark.

THIS is far closer to what Clark should look like:

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/OUT16762686.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/F-P/BRGQ_006.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/F-P/BRGQ_007.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/F-P/BRGQ_004.jpg

Looks so much better - and mature. Just make it wavy (which would not be as obvious in this Clark mode), reverse the part and mess it up as Supes.

The problem is that the film-makers simply don't get or understand how it's meant to be. I can't see how you can surround yourself with Alex Ross art and not see "hey, the way he draws the hair actually makes sense AND looks good" but that's the case. They seem to WANT Clark and Superman to look stupid, as was the case with Superman 1 and 2. For Christ's sake, Sueprman is NOT have meant to have long hair, and you can't just slick it down to try and make it look short.

If no pictures show up in this thread, check out this gallery for the shots he did for GQ Magazine:
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=118

[dark_b]

well...you already know you don't care, so why would you need to acknowledge it? :oldrazz: hehe...just messin' w/ya. okay...WE acknowledge that you don't care...thanks for your non-input.


agreed...i dunno wasup with the costume designer's fetish with the "S" but it seems to have influenced the hair designer also. i don't think Supes' curl needs to be in the shape of an "S"...just so long as he has a curl. i'm sure the audience isn't going to boo Superman just because his curl isn't perfectly in the shape of an "S".

when you have someone like Routh who has straight hair, it's better to just go with the flow instead of forcing the hair to conform to a certain shape which is what they tried to do for the movie. you can't do to Routh's hair what they did with Reeve's hair. Reeve had somewhat wavy hair...Routh's hair is pretty straight. different hairstyles for different types of hair i say...S-shape curl? is this a f.. joke. where ???????????????

[lujho]

I think any decent natural looking curl would be in the shape of an S anyway, as long as he's got wavy hair which he should. People don't draw the curl in the comics to look like an S because he's Superman... they draw it that way because that's what it would look like. If his name had always been Hyperman, the curl, would still always have looked like an S.

As long as it doesn't look forced its fine.

When Superman has straight hair and the "curl" is actually more of a stray strand, like in the picture of Brandon's screentest upthread... then it actually looks kind of lame as well - almost as much as the contrived whirly-curl he ended up with.

[Greenshirt]

No. Leave it the way it is.

[lujho]

No. Leave it the way it is.

You're right. I take it all back, Superman's hair SHOULD look *****ing ridiculous and Clark Kent should look like a shaggy, floppy haired college student.

[The Sage]

I agree with whatever Luhjo and DorkyFresh says on this matter.

[sepharih]

i know a lot of people are complaining about the suit, but one of my biggest complaints about Supes's appearance is actually his haircut/hairstyle. he looks perfect as Clark, but i think we all agree that he looks a bit like SuperBOY instead of SuperMAN and i don't necessarily think it's his face that gives his boyish looks but his hair. i seriously think they need to give him a trim for the sequel...look how much of a difference a haircut can make...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superboy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superman1.jpg

who here agrees and who here thinks i'm nuts and who here thinks this is a dumb thread?
As they say, the devil really is in the details. Well done! The new haircut definitely helps to make his features more pronounced and gives him a far more mature look.

[dark_b]

maybe the short hair looks better on superman. but the long hair is better to make a big difference between clark and superman.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I always thought his clark kent hair was to help his deceet..by the way it hanged over his face..

fork it..lets just have him slick it back like george reeves and not change it at all when he becomes the man of steel.

[DorkyFresh]

first, lemme thank everyone for posting in the thread and a special thanks to those who agree.

Yes. Give him wavy hair. Make it shorter, especially back and sides. reverse the part.

Have Superman's hair be loose and tousled and Clark's be neat and in place. The movie pretty much did it the opposite way around - as did Lois and Clark.

For heaven's sake, have keep the hair (except Superman's forelock) away from his forehead. Keep it back and show the hairline. I don't know why they comb it down over half his forehead like that, it looks so lame. Reeve had the same thing in the first 2 movies.

In other words just make it like the vast majority of Superman comics in the last 20 years - that is to say, NOT STUPID.

The key thing is, Superman's hair is Clark's hair, messed up. Not the other way around, and not some ridiculously contrived... contrivance of hairgel and fake curl.

Kirk Alyn had it right. Not QUITE the right style but the right idea. Natural curl as Superman, nice and neat for Clark.

THIS is far closer to what Clark should look like:

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/OUT16762686.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/F-P/BRGQ_006.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/F-P/BRGQ_007.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/F-P/BRGQ_004.jpg

Looks so much better - and mature. Just make it wavy (which would not be as obvious in this Clark mode), reverse the part and mess it up as Supes.

The problem is that the film-makers simply don't get or understand how it's meant to be. I can't see how you can surround yourself with Alex Ross art and not see "hey, the way he draws the hair actually makes sense AND looks good" but that's the case. They seem to WANT Clark and Superman to look stupid, as was the case with Superman 1 and 2. For Christ's sake, Sueprman is NOT have meant to have long hair, and you can't just slick it down to try and make it look short.

If no pictures show up in this thread, check out this gallery for the shots he did for GQ Magazine:
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=118

awesome observation, lujho, and i totally agree. they need to do away with the Superman Returns hairstylist and hire whoever did Routh's hair for THAT photoshoot. his hair is almost perfect there...the only thing that would make it better is if he had the signature curl.

[November Rain]

The only problem i see with the hair cut is that there are a limited number of styles they could use to pull of clark.

they need the hair for clark to make him seem less threatening since he is of a large size. to portray that innocence within him.

maybe the problem is that they are playing him still at too young an age and a newer clark should be reinvented with the films, a somewhat more serious tas type reporter.

so my point is with long hair, you can get a good clark and get away with a decent supes. With short hair you get a good supes but i'm not sure a believable clark can be portrayed that wouldn't share a striking resemblence to his alter ego

[DorkyFresh]

good point November Rain...they should let Routh's hair grow, shoot all the scenes with Clark, trim his hair, then shoot all the scenes with Superman seperately, hehe.

but then again, i dunno $#!+ about making a movie...i just know visuals.

[November Rain]

good point November Rain...they should let Routh's hair grow, shoot all the scenes with Clark, trim his hair, then shoot all the scenes with Superman seperately, hehe.That's a ****ing great idea.

I'd be happy with that, best thing said so far.

[DvilDog]

its sad that I had never thought of that. That would be perfect. Shoot all the scenes with long hair then with short. Of course then Im sure you would have people complaining about that as well. Guess you just cant please everyone. I do like that idea though. Maybe they could pass it off as a wig or something. I just think that Supe's hair should be messed up and wind blown because hes flying everywhere. You can have the part have the waviness. You can even have that s curl if you want. But the only problem i had with the hair was the fact that everytime I saw him as Supes i was like jeeze man did you just get out of the shower again? I would hate to see his bathroom jeez. How much hair glue does he need. Everytime he has to fly back to his crib to fix his hair before he goes to save the plane or lift nk into space? but then again what do i know?

[November Rain]

to be honest, if it's as short as the one in the first pic, i doubt anyone would really even notice the difference, they'll just put it down to restyling.

[Hades]

Disguise wise, I don't think the hair really matters because Supermans disguise is pretty unbelievable no matter how long or short his hair is.

:woot::csad:

[DrMylesOBoogie]

You guys complain about every everything from this movie.It's because there is so much to complain about.

[November Rain]

Disguise wise, I don't think the hair really matters because Supermans disguise is pretty unbelievable no matter how long or short his hair is.

:woot::csad:but hair can help portray what type of person somebody is,

so it's not really about keeping up with the disguise but getting across the point that public clark, private clark and supes all act differently and subtely with hair cuts this can come along.

I mean look at spidey 3, tobey gets a emo haircut to bring across the symbiote's affect on him. Does it drive the plot in any way? Course it doesn't but it quickly portrays a certain attitude, enough for the audience to get a change in mood of a character.

that's all pretty much what we're talking about here.

It's just that for brandon's films, the hair required for each role differs quite a bit (you can't get away with the way it was done with reeves) so hence the discussions.

I think it's all viable.

[Mentok]

His normal hair is black and short... They should just go with that.

[Mentok]

Now that is Superman about to beat the crap out of Metallo/Darksied/Brainiac/Bizarro.

:up:


http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/F-P/BRGQ_004.jpg

[kevinpenni]

Yeah, fake curl is dumb

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Now that is Superman about to beat the crap out of Metallo/Darksied/Brainiac/Bizarro.

:up:Carefull now if Singer sees this he might get carpet tunnell syndrome.

[lujho]

What I will also add is that if they can't be bothered making Routh's hair wavy - then ditch the bloody curl alltogether, because it's just stupid as it is.

Have Clark's hair neat like it is in the pictures I posted and have Superman's loose with straight choppy/messy locks hanging forward. It is occasionally drawn like that in the comics.

But better to go the whole way and give him wavy hair.

[Eros]

i dun think its the hair that bother you people, but the actors smaller physique compared to the comics and cartoons portrayal of superman.

[DorkyFresh]

i dun think its the hair that bother you people, but the actors smaller physique compared to the comics and cartoons portrayal of superman.
i dun tink you should be tellin us what we tink.

Routh's physique is the least of my complaints. he was in perfect shape IMO. only if his neck were thicker....but i have more problems with his hair and costume than his build.

[Super Kal]

dorkyfresh?... you had a problem with the suit?

[DorkyFresh]

kak, i've told you before that i have. i like it, but there are many things i would change.

[Super Kal]

lol, oh, sorry...


forgive me, I tend to forget things sometimes...

[Dan33977]

I don't care.

[kevinpenni]

yes

[buggs0268]

And make him part his hair on different sides for Clark and Supes as he has done in the comics way before Chris was born

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/buggs0268/superman1.jpg

And he still needs to bulk up from the last film.

[The Sage]

I agree with luhjo that Routh's hair in those pictures is perfect for Clark.

I think this is a good example of how Superman's hair should look:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3584/untitledoa6.jpg

Just add the S curl. It's kind of Jim Lee-esque.

[Brainiac 2009]

That manip looks retarded but I understand the changes you want to see.

Maybe they should give him a wig like Reeve -_-

[Brainiac 2009]

I agree with luhjo that Routh's hair in those pictures is perfect for Clark.

I think this is a good example of how Superman's hair should look:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3584/untitledoa6.jpg

Just add the S curl. It's kind of Jim Lee-esque.


Hmmm I could see that

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/supess.jpghttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/jimlee.jpg

He definately looked like the Lee Superman in the game.

If Routh eventually got to the build of Reeve in Superman III, he'd be perfect live version of it.

[buggs0268]

That manip looks retarded but I understand the changes you want to see.

Maybe they should give him a wig like Reeve -_-
Reeve only wore a wig in 4 and that was because he was alergic to the hair dye. If he hadn't been, no wig for him. But 1, 2 and 3 was his real hair.

[buggs0268]

I agree with luhjo that Routh's hair in those pictures is perfect for Clark.

I think this is a good example of how Superman's hair should look:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3584/untitledoa6.jpg

Just add the S curl. It's kind of Jim Lee-esque.
Sage. Who is the chick in your avatar?

[Brainiac 2009]

Reeve only wore a wig in 4 and that was because he was alergic to the hair dye. If he hadn't been, no wig for him. But 1, 2 and 3 was his real hair.

I heard he wore a wig in all of the films due to his alleopecha condition. He would go bald at times and lose his hair.

[Brainiac 2009]

Sage. Who is the chick in your avatar?

Belushi

[buggs0268]

I heard he wore a wig in all of the films due to his alleopecha condition. He would go bald at times and lose his hair.
Nope. Just in 4.

[CGHulk]

Sage. Who is the chick in your avatar?
Monica Bellucci!
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&sa=N&resnum=0&q=%22monica%20bellucci%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wi

[sithgoblin]

Superman's hair should be short and it NEEDS to look windswept. It's stupid, him flying at high speeds and his hair always looking perfectly combed.

http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020524/165731__boy_l.jpg

[November Rain]

I agree with luhjo that Routh's hair in those pictures is perfect for Clark.

I think this is a good example of how Superman's hair should look:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3584/untitledoa6.jpg

Just add the S curl. It's kind of Jim Lee-esque.dare i say superman could look too trendy for a man in his mid 30s

mid life crisis issues may be raised...

[DorkyFresh]

i want Supes' hair to look SOMEWHAT neat. i wouldn't want it to look that messy. his hair is going all over the place there...

here's my idea of perfect Superman hair...
http://i.jubii.dk/rd/dynamic/gallery/Christian+Bale+som+Batman_85772.jpg
slightly messy, but uniform enough to not look trendy or unkept. and the curls are natural.

they need to get whoever did Bale's hair to do Routh's also.

[The Sage]

Sage. Who is the chick in your avatar?

Monica Bellucci. :up: :)

[The Sage]

dare i say superman could look too trendy for a man in his mid 30s

mid life crisis issues may be raised...

I see your point. Just thinking of ways to differentiate it from Clark.

i want Supes' hair to look SOMEWHAT neat. i wouldn't want it to look that messy. his hair is going all over the place there...

here's my idea of perfect Superman hair...
http://i.jubii.dk/rd/dynamic/gallery/Christian+Bale+som+Batman_85772.jpg
slightly messy, but uniform enough to not look trendy or unkept. and the curls are natural.

they need to get whoever did Bale's hair to do Routh's also.

Actually that's pretty perfect, and it's distinct enough from the Clark Kent hairstyle.

[lujho]

And make him part his hair on different sides for Clark and Supes as he has done in the comics way before Chris was born



Nope. That's a stupid way to go, and it's NOT the way it's been in the comics. He's pretty much always had the part on the same side in both guises.

The Reeve/Donner movie invented the side-switching part and it's dumb. Singer was right to ditch it, he just went with the wrong side.

[TheBat812]

my hair manip. i'd like to see it like this (except clearer, cuz this is a manip):
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2620/supermanhairmanipcopyqf3.jpg

[WormyT]

Just watching that Awesome 300 trailer it becomes evident that some people know how to build muscle and some don't, or are perhaps lazy.
I'm mostly reffering to the lead actor below.

For the sequel before even deciding to change the stupid costume maybe Singer and Routh should consult the trainers who trained the '300' actors and have Routh actually do some exercise for a change. Or at least up the routines a bit. These guys in 300 are totally ripped. This is how big Superman should be! Water aerobics or whatever they did for SR just doesn't cut.

Hell I was watching Superman 1 and 2 recently and Reeves was MASSIVE yet still graceful and Lean.

So people involved in the SR sequel take a close look at the actors in '300' and tell your lead actor to feel free to work out and perhaps down a few 'whey protein' shakes too.
That might help too.
It is superMAN after all not 'superlong distance runner'.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/300.jpg

[Brainiac 2009]

Gay.

[WormyT]

Gay.
Hey it's alright to feel that way. We'll support you and accept you. No ones discriminating here.

[Motown Marvel]

dude, rouths arms were about twice the size of that dudes.

[Brainiac 2009]

Hey it's alright to feel that way. We'll support you and accept you. No ones discriminating here.

Yep keep checking out more grown men in diapers.

[LadyVader]

Those guys have little more going for them then say Tobey Maguire in the first Spiderman. Really ripped, but not a lot of mass on them.
Routh looked just about right in the DVD extra footage of him working out, maybe add a little more to that, but his suit is the problem, not the body. They really need to do something to that suit to accentuate his definition, not cover it.

[GreenKToo]

:up:Those guys have little more going for them then say Tobey Maguire in the first Spiderman. Really ripped, but not a lot of mass on them.
Routh looked just about right in the DVD extra footage of him working out, maybe add a little more to that, but his suit is the problem, not the body. They really need to do something to that suit to accentuate his definition, not cover it.

[WormyT]

Routh looked just about right in the DVD extra footage of him working out, maybe add a little more to that, but his suit is the problem, not the body. They really need to do something to that suit to accentuate his definition, not cover it.
I haven't seen that. (DVD extras)
The suit definiley doesn't make him look ripped to me.

[WormyT]

Yep keep checking out more grown men in diapers.
You never saw that trailer before?
C'mon man. This was exceptable back in those days. Open your mind. Lets wrestle a bit. Nothing too violent, just a 2 guys having a laugh in oil. I'll go easy on ya.
I'm down.

[Brainiac 2009]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/absoluteimp/brandon/brandonrouth16110603.jpg

There are a few more scans, cant seem to find them.

Even if Brandon had the exact same chest definition as those guys, it wouldnt be evident through the suit.

[Pickle-El]

Brandon got jacked for SR......watch the DVD.

[Hunter Rider]

Those pics are proof it's the suit as he doesn't look that big onscreen

[Majik1387]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/absoluteimp/brandon/brandonrouth16110603.jpg

There are a few more scans, cant seem to find them.

Even if Brandon had the exact same chest definition as those guys, it wouldnt be evident through the suit.
:wow: Holy crap! :wow:
I now officially hate the suit.:o
What were they thinking? How could they hide that^?:down:o:down

[Kevin Roegele]

Brandon got jacked for SR......watch the DVD.

Doesn't matter though if it's not visible on screen.

[Super Kal]

you think that suit was bad? check this shot out...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2858/vlcsnap573204hq9.png (http://imageshack.us)

[DorkyFresh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/supespartcompare1.jpg
the problem isn't Routh's build....it's the suit. they need to go with a fabric that doesn't squeeze Routh's muscles out. they need to go with a lighter, more stretchy fabric....that way you can actually see the creases in Routh's muscles and his veins.

another thing they need to do is make sure that Routh works out and reaches his ideal build BEFORE they start making the suit. one of the problems during production is that Routh was getting TOO big for the suit that they tailored for him (during pre-production).

another problem is Routh's hair. the hairstylist should've made his hair shorter. longer hair makes his head look bigger which makes him, as a whole, look smaller. i showed how his hair can make him look bigger and more masculine just by cutting it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superboy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superman1.jpg

[LadyVader]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/absoluteimp/brandon/brandonrouth16110603.jpg

There are a few more scans, cant seem to find them.

Even if Brandon had the exact same chest definition as those guys, it wouldnt be evident through the suit.

"And the chicks go nuts"
:)

Brandon said it best himself:
"It's not how big you are, it's how good you look in the suit"

In that respect Brandon, you kinda got screwed. :)

[M.O.Steel]

you think that suit was bad? check this shot out...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2858/vlcsnap573204hq9.png (http://imageshack.us)

what is this from?

[Super Kal]

the 3 hour documentary from SR

[Zorex]

I agree with Dorky Fresh that a different, less bulky hairstyle would be beneficial for the sequel.

[NotFadeAway]

How bout we just pray Singer pays attention to the important stuff, like getting a good story on film featuring the Man of Steel. Had the story been better in Superman Returns, you wouldn't have minded Routh at the size he was in SR.

However, if you want my professional opinion on the matter, Superman should be built like Tom Welling, who has the perfect build for the character. The guy looks like a big strong farm boy who retains a degree of definition.

[WormyT]

However, if you want my professional opinion on the matter, Superman should be built like Tom Welling, who has the perfect build for the character. The guy looks like a big strong farm boy who retains a degree of definition.
Wise words!
Yeah I forgot to mention Welling. He looks very menacing with his build even when hes wearing a baggy shirt.
I agree with Dorky Fresh that a different, less bulky hairstyle would be beneficial for the sequel.

I also agree about Rouths hair being WAYYY to long and taking away from his build and making him look younger too. That plus the weird shaped suit didn't help.

[bgshw44]

you think that suit was bad? check this shot out...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2858/vlcsnap573204hq9.png (http://imageshack.us)

I wish they went w/ this suit. The red is brighter also

[Super Kal]

I wish they went w/ this suit. The red is brighter also

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8094/vlcsnap572683ec4.png (http://imageshack.us)

[DorkyFresh]

thanks for posting those pix, kakarot. i don't plan on gettin' the dvd anytime soon so it's nice to see test shots and such...

[Super Kal]

why not?...

i thought you liked it...

[DorkyFresh]

i'm waitin' till i get an HDtv so i can get either the HD-dvd or blu-ray version.

[Super Kal]

that makes sense...

[JamalYIgle]

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8094/vlcsnap572683ec4.png (http://imageshack.us)
Kak... it's the same costume. Different lighting.

[Dark_Lord]

Kak... it's the same costume. Different lighting.

Its one of the test suits. If I remember correctly. I have to see the doc. again.

[Super Kal]

Kak... it's the same costume. Different lighting.
IF that was the original suit, Singer needs to be b***h slapped for making it so dark in the movie.

[sithgoblin]

I don't think Superman should be ripped. It doesn't matter, it will never show through his costume. The only way they'd achieve the ripped look of the comics while he's in costume is if he were a body painted nude.

If he builds more mass that will help him look bigger overall. And they can use tricks like they did on Spider-man, and air brush muscle definition on the suit.

[Majik1387]

I don't think Superman should be ripped. It doesn't matter, it will never show through his costume. The only way they'd achieve the ripped look of the comics while he's in costume is if he were a body painted nude.
:D:):D:):D:):D

[LadyVader]

Somebody get Singer on the phone.
:) :D

[WormyT]

I don't think Superman should be ripped. It doesn't matter, it will never show through his costume. The only way they'd achieve the ripped look of the comics while he's in costume is if he were a body painted nude.

I think he DOES need to be ripped. Or at least be as big as that actor in 300. Rouths suit definitely does NOTHING for his muscle definition but I still feel hes a tad too skinny. Like someone said earlier it didn't help that the story required him to be a cry baby and door mat. It could also be the face. It's weird, I'm not a huge smallville fan but how is it Welling can be both dorky yet menacing at the same time. Both actors could kick the snot out of me in a heartbeat but I'd rather fight Routh if I had to choose who my A$$ kicker was going to be. Wellings just massive like Reeves was back in the day.

If he builds more mass that will help him look bigger overall. And they can use tricks like they did on Spider-man, and air brush muscle definition on the suit.
I think he needs more bulk yep, not sure about the airbrush technique for definition though. It works on spidey because hes got the webbing to mask the fake muscle tone illusion somewhat. Theres a lot of negative space on Supes suit.

[DorkyFresh]

too skinny?

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/brandonrouth16110601.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/brandonrouth16110604.jpg

bullocks...i'm more than sure if they gave him a suit that accentuated his body instead of detracted from it we wouldn't be having this discussion. and i'm also pretty sure that IF they do it right and have Routh get his ideal build BEFORE they start making the suit for the next one we won't be having a repeat discussion when SR2 comes out.

[Super Kal]

it wasn't Routh's fault... it was the suit that constricted him.

[DorkyFresh]

agreed...look at what a few tweaks and a new hairstyle can do to make his upper body look bigger.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/fixsuit1.jpg

[Majik1387]

^I don't see any difference.

[DorkyFresh]

most people won't. only us who pay uber attention to the details will...

[Super Kal]

agreed...look at what a few tweaks and a new hairstyle can do to make his upper body look bigger.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/fixsuit1.jpg
I really like the one on the right...

[Majik1387]

agreed...look at what a few tweaks and a new hairstyle can do to make his upper body look bigger.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/fixsuit1.jpg
After comparing them in photostudio, aalso by putting them into layers, the one on the left with the longer hair has more upper body than the one on the left with the shorter hair.

You flattened his shoulders and cape, thinned out his neck and raised his trunks.

[DorkyFresh]

more upper body shown doesn't mean his upper body looks bigger. the one on the left makes his upper body look longer, thus making him look skinnier. the one on the right makes his upper body look wider, making his upper body look more muscular.

and...i didn't thin out his neck. i just took some of his hair off.

[Lighthouse]

I know its old, but I still maintain that the high neckline on the suit made his body look puny, because Routh was friggin huge in size, maybe even a little more than Reeve.

[Lobster Charlie]

Routh ain't that big. He's got some decent definition, but Superman could still use another 20lbs of just plain bulk. He's way too streamlined to play The Man Of Steel.

Bale looked more diesel in the scene on the poles in Batman Begins, during his training. He was cut, but not ridiculously sculpted. But most of all, he had that confidence that came across in every movement he did.

It's also true that the SR suit was a complete disgrace, and his haircut was just stupid. But we all know by now that SR was less about Superman and his legions of fans, and more about Bryan Singer laming up yet another superhero movie franchise.

[DvilDog]

Routh ain't that big. He's got some decent definition, but Superman could still use another 20lbs of just plain bulk. He's way too streamlined to play The Man Of Steel.

Bale looked more diesel in the scene on the poles in Batman Begins, during his training. He was cut, but not ridiculously sculpted. But most of all, he had that confidence that came across in every movement he did.

It's also true that the SR suit was a complete disgrace, and his haircut was just stupid. But we all know by now that SR was less about Superman and his legions of fans, and more about Bryan Singer laming up yet another superhero movie franchise.

or that last part could be your opinion? I agree with the hair. I agree with the suit. The work that DF did with photoshop you can really see the difference. Bale was cut as batman but he wasnt huge. Welling pretty much has the perfect Superman Build. Welling and Routh are pretty much the same height, but i guarantee Welling outweighs him by 10 to 15 lbs. As for the spartans at the top of this thread. Cut is not big. He was cut he wasnt big. I believe Superman should have some form of definition of course. I think Routh needs to put on another 15 lbs so he can be that 225 that supes is supposed to be. But Superman shouldnt be about muscle definiton so much as sheer size. Thats why welling is perfect. Welling is really all that defined either but he just has that body type. But I think Routh could have it too. Just needs a hair more work, and the costume needs to not be so damn constricting.

[KrypJonian]

another problem is Routh's hair. the hairstylist should've made his hair shorter. longer hair makes his head look bigger which makes him, as a whole, look smaller. i showed how his hair can make him look bigger and more masculine just by cutting it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superboy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/superman1.jpg

I agee 100%

That was one of my few beefs with the movie, the hair.


And the low ride undies:cmad:

[DvilDog]

yeah they definitly need to do something with the trunks

[DorkyFresh]

the biggest problem with the trunks isn't so much it's size, it's the way they were cut. when you lift your leg...you form a natural fold at your hips and that's where the trunks should've been cut, but whoever designed made it so that the cut went from his crotch almost straight to the side. that's the biggest flaw of it.....of course, the other flaw was that it was too low cut.

both of those problems were addressed in my manip....and kudos to those who agree with me on the hair and the suit.

[matthooper]

I have a question for the people who think Superman should be ripped. My question is...why?

He is Kryptonian, his molecular structure and the relationship with our sun is the source of his power, not his muscles. I doubt that Superman is working hard in the gym, which to him would be like lifting buses like dumbbells or benchpressing houses. It simply doesn't make sense. As much as I was dissapointed in Superman Returns, Routh looked fine for the part.

[FanboyX_Returns]

dude, rouths arms were about twice the size of that dudes.

Yeah but his thin frame, and his sucky suit ruined his Superman look... For me anyway.

[LadyVader]

I have a question for the people who think Superman should be ripped. My question is...why?

He is Kryptonian, his molecular structure and the relationship with our sun is the source of his power, not his muscles. I doubt that Superman is working hard in the gym, which to him would be like lifting buses like dumbbells or benchpressing houses. It simply doesn't make sense. As much as I was dissapointed in Superman Returns, Routh looked fine for the part.

There's a reason they call it a "superhero bod". Women are subjected to standards of beauty all the time. Now we have superheroes, why should they not get the same deal? If they're supposed to be the perfect individuals, they should look it.
:)

I suppose in Superman's case in SR you could argue that he was stuck in a space pod for five years and as such he must've lost a lot of definition. :) He needs more time lifting islands and such to get back his muscle. :D

[Brainiac 2009]

Sometimes alot of you whiney fanboys sound like women too.

[Motown Marvel]

ANY suit they put on him, even if its straight up spandex, is gonna cause muscle constraint and take away some definition.

i think something that would help is if they opened the neck line of the suit...it would make his shoulder apear much more broad.

[Brainiac 2009]

One way or the other, it looks like he has alot of working out to do for the sequel. recent pic:

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Events/2006%20Spike%20Video%20Game/SpikeVG_003.jpg

[sithgoblin]

Forgive me for posting a Welling pic, but I think this is the perfect build for Superman. It could realisticlly be achieved too. And you can't even really see any definition. Supes just needs a huge chest and shoulders, much bigger than Brandon had. If he works them up for the sequel he should be ok.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/joeycortes611/superman5.jpg

[The Kid]

What I'm wondering as I read all this is, and please forgive the caps WHAT'S THE POINT???, the real problem with SR was that it was so dark EVEN IF routh was built like a wrestler you couldn't see it. You couldn't even see spacey.

[sithgoblin]

To each his own. I didn't have a problem with the lighting of SR, in fact I thought it was one of its positive points. Reminded me of Fleischer.

[The Kid]

I know, I know... that actually might have been what they were trying to emulate but it didn't work like fleischer's lighting did for me. It just reminded me more of when I turned the lights off in my room last night.

The problem seems to be that most scenes took place at night or in a dark room. So I wonder what would it really matter if a few changes were made to appearance when it's already difficult to see what was originally there anyway.

[swifty]

in all honesty you guys make the Village People look straight.

j/k

:D

[lujho]

you think that suit was bad? check this shot out...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2858/vlcsnap573204hq9.png (http://imageshack.us)

This was an interesting suit. The muscle suit underneath had an angular, non-organic shaping to it - very stylized. All planes and edges. It made some really interesting highlights with this dramatic lighting, especially on the arms and legs - though you can't see it too well in this capture.

It didn't quite work but it was an interesting experiment nonetheless. I think something a bit like it could work for Batman where you see hints of armour under the suit - but they'd have to refine the shape of the undersuit.

As for Routh's build - the problem is he just has a narrow frame - he's broad shouldered because of all the muscle he put on, but he's not broad chested. His pecs just sit there in front of his chest, wheras if you look at Gerard Butler's pecs they seem a lot wider and they seem to spread out a lot more. Same when you compare Routh to Reeve. This is why his \S/ was so much smaller than it would be on a guy like Reeve - a bigger one just wouldn't really fit. A wider S needs a wider chest.

Routh's Superman is simply not broad chested and I'm not sure it there's a way to fix it - maybe different workout could do it, or perhaps padding in the suit, but it may not be possible. It make simply be a matter of basic anatomy - his frame (i.e. the skeleton) is shaped a certain way and there's no way he can have a naturally wider looking chest like Reeved did and Gerard butler does.

Also, the "hourglass" look has to be fixed by either better padding or bulking up the muscles in his sides to thicken him up a bit.

[lujho]

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8094/vlcsnap572683ec4.png (http://imageshack.us)

This IS a test suit, not the final.

The Bevel of the S is different especially. I like this one better. The whole face of the S is flat with only the sides bevelled. From the doccu you can tell that this was referred to as the "Bevel S" and the one they used was the "Spine S". The Spine S was okay but I like this flatter one much better.

You see a few boots with better cuts to their tops in the docco too. I don't think you see any with the traditional "M"-cut boot-tops (which there was really no reason not to go with at all) but you do see some that are more symmetrical rather than the diagonal "Mr Incredible" boots we got.

[Super Kal]

it's loads better than what was used...

[WormyT]

One way or the other, it looks like he has alot of working out to do for the sequel. recent pic:

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Events/2006%20Spike%20Video%20Game/SpikeVG_003.jpg
Wow!! Yep, he deinitely needs to follow Wellings diet and exercise regiment.

[GreenKToo]

If only we could put brandon's face on wellings body,but he has plenty of time to bulk up for the sequel,so no worries.

[lujho]

the biggest problem with the trunks isn't so much it's size, it's the way they were cut. when you lift your leg...you form a natural fold at your hips and that's where the trunks should've been cut, but whoever designed made it so that the cut went from his crotch almost straight to the side. that's the biggest flaw of it.....of course, the other flaw was that it was too low cut.

both of those problems were addressed in my manip....and kudos to those who agree with me on the hair and the suit.

Agreed. I liked the idea of squareish cut trunks but they don't work too well on Brandon.

Making the cut of the trunk-legs come up higher on the sides turns the trunks into kind of a triangle shape which kind of mirrors the S. It also makes the legs look longer, and since Brandon is somewhat short-legged/long-torsoed it would help a lot - especially combined with raising the belt an inch or two, which would further shorten/thicken the torso and lengthen the appearance of the legs.

It's funny... the film-makers/costume designers talked about working with the body they got (which was considerably different from the model whose bodycast they used to design the costumes before Brandon was cast). They did the exact opposite, designing a suit that did the absolute best it could to highlighted Brandons weaknesses.

[TheBat812]

Wow!! Yep, he deinitely needs to follow Wellings diet and exercise regiment.
Welling doesnt train.

[DvilDog]

I had heard Welling was just a naturally big guy. But he has to do a little something?

[TheBat812]

I've read interviews where he says he does every once in a while, but really doesn't have the time.

[NotFadeAway]

too skinny?

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/brandonrouth16110601.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/brandonrouth16110604.jpg

bullocks...i'm more than sure if they gave him a suit that accentuated his body instead of detracted from it we wouldn't be having this discussion. and i'm also pretty sure that IF they do it right and have Routh get his ideal build BEFORE they start making the suit for the next one we won't be having a repeat discussion when SR2 comes out.

In these pictures Routh actually looks similiar to the guys in 300, arms and legs wise atleast. Never saw Routh's abs so I have no idea how they held up. Routh should have went for a bulkier look while retaining slight definition.

In all fairness to Routh, he didn't have that long to train, and they designed the suit while Routh was in the process of getting in shape so he could only afford to get so big, although they should have let Routh get as muscular as possible and then designed the suits. F-ing Singer.......

[Eros]

why does it matter how defined or big he is? If you haven't noticed in superman movies, superman never has his shirt off for even a second. Reeve never did a shirtless scene, and im assume Singar is following the same fashion as the old movies. Clark kent usally wears big baggy clothing, and since we never see what Clark does at home [if he even has one] in superman returns[or anyother superman movie] i assume he spends the majority of his time with his clothes on. Hell only Dean Cain and Tom welling have done numerous shirtless scenes playing Clark kent or Superman.

[NotFadeAway]

why does it matter how defined or big he is? If you haven't noticed in superman movies, superman never has his shirt off for even a second. Reeve never did a shirtless scene, and im assume Singar is following the same fashion as the old movies. Clark kent usally wears big baggy clothing, and since we never see what Clark does at home [if he even has one] in superman returns[or anyother superman movie] i assume he spends the majority of his time with his clothes on. Hell only Dean Cain and Tom welling have done numerous shirtless scenes playing Clark kent or Superman.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

[Motown Marvel]

damn, his shoulders look ginormous in those pics.

[Lighthouse]

ANY suit they put on him, even if its straight up spandex, is gonna cause muscle constraint and take away some definition.

i think something that would help is if they opened the neck line of the suit...it would make his shoulder apear much more broad.

Agree 100%. Routh is obviously very well built for Superman, but I think the suit makes him look skinnier than he is. The changing of the neckline would work wonders.

[DorkyFresh]

In all fairness to Routh, he didn't have that long to train, and they designed the suit while Routh was in the process of getting in shape so he could only afford to get so big, although they should have let Routh get as muscular as possible and then designed the suits. F-ing Singer.......
hopefully this time around they'll give Routh enough time to get into the ideal build BEFORE they start making the suit...

...and hopefully this time they'll go with a more stretchy material that won't squeeze his muscles out, but i doubt it. i'd be surprised if they even change the neckline...

[DarkSuperman]

Forgive me for posting a Welling pic, but I think this is the perfect build for Superman. It could realisticlly be achieved too. And you can't even really see any definition. Supes just needs a huge chest and shoulders, much bigger than Brandon had. If he works them up for the sequel he should be ok.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/joeycortes611/superman5.jpg

Wow, thats a really smooth pictures. You see the problem I think isn't with Routh's physique, but with that wet suit they had him flying around him. That thick material destroys all possibility of seeing the definition in his muscles and body.

Oh, yeah...the Costume in that pic looks great BTW.

[FlawlessVictory]

why does it matter how defined or big he is? If you haven't noticed in superman movies, superman never has his shirt off for even a second.

Hospital scene in SR when the doctors remove his suit.

[dark_b]

Wow, thats a really smooth pictures. You see the problem I think isn't with Routh's physique, but with that wet suit they had him flying around him. That thick material destroys all possibility of seeing the definition in his muscles and body.

Oh, yeah...the Costume in that pic looks great BTW.do you even realize what material would they have to use to see the muscles? and than you have a spiderman movie with ultrahighteck materials.

plus the material is not even thick :whatever::o

[Super Kal]

it may not be thick, but it was constricting...

[dark_b]

even if he was build better he would still need padding when he is on the harness because it deforms the build and it looks like ****. the padding helps with the ilusion.

[halfapple]

One way or the other, it looks like he has alot of working out to do for the sequel. recent pic:

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Events/2006%20Spike%20Video%20Game/SpikeVG_003.jpg


Looks to me as if Routh's body has gone catabolic.

I'm sure he will get back into the gym to work out and get his groove back on ~ but honestly I do not belive he is into working out and trying to improve where he left off from the SR.

Well I guess there is always the short cut for him to get anabolic again and kick start that metabolism.

Reeve continued to workout and shared his what knowledge he came to know about lifting and improving himself. For both the role as Superman and just for himself and his health.

I certainly wish Routh would do something similar in say Muscle and Fitness magazine and entire 3 page interview from the Man of Steel himself. But I doubt that would happen - because it would have happend already if he was into that sort of thing.

So disappointed that he never shared how he prepared to become the Man of Steel physically.

Sure there is the DVD cut ~ but I am refering to an acctual interview/article, it would be inspiring to both young and old just to read about it from the Man of Steel.

But yeah, Routh looks catabolic!

[jcas0516]

I wonder if the costume designer created costume without the low trunks. Or with a bigger "S". And maybe a wider neck seam??? Its ashame we never get to see pre-custom designs.

[lujho]

I wonder if the costume designer created costume without the low trunks. Or with a bigger "S". And maybe a wider neck seam??? Its ashame we never get to see pre-custom designs.

I'm sure they did do some of those things, especially when they were working on the other guy's lifecast with the different body type, before Routh was cast.


The male model who's bodycast they were using had more ideal proportions - Routh was less than ideal so that had to adapt (somewhat unsuccessfully).

[SatEL]

Anyway back on topic yes i think Routh really needs to do some more training but as we saw in the dvd of returns it wasnt his fault he didnt get bigger they told him to stop.

[JamalYIgle]

Reeve continued to workout and shared his what knowledge he came to know about lifting and improving himself. For both the role as Superman and just for himself and his health.


I wonder where you got that idea from...http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/07/a7/56/7f_1_b.JPG
This is a still from Deathtrap whcih came out a year after Superman 2. While there is some definiton,Reeve was no where near the shape he was in Superman.

[Brainiac 2009]

Yep Reeve lost alot of weight after filming and put on like double for the third film.

Brandon could easily do the same.

[NotFadeAway]

Muscle Memory!

[SatEL]

Welling doesnt train.

Of course welling trains you can see he has made vast improvements from season1 to season4 and then in season5 dont know what the hell happened to him but he put on more BF and Season 6 is still debatable.

[Brainiac 2009]

It's prolly just casual exercise not crazy training.

He prolly has a weightroom at his home.

[Manhunter]

Muscle Memory!

FTW!!

[Brainiac 2009]

For the record, neither Tom, Brandon or Chris started out naturally big at first. They all got bigger over time; and in Brandon's case the least amount of time (5 weeks) led to the least result so far.

But if Chris can go from way skinner than Brandon started off at, in Chris' audition to his built in Superman III....and Tom from this;

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5994/modcardpb2.jpg

to where he is now; It's definately possible for Brandon given the right time and training.

[DorkyFresh]

i've said it before and i'll say it again...if you didn't have a problem with Reeve's build, then you shouldn't have a problem with Routh's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-3.jpg

edit: once again...all that's really needed is small changes in the proportions of the suit. a wider neckline and a higher waistline...those 2 things ALONE would make Routh look much bigger.

[Spider-jedi]

looking at thoses pictures just makes me hate the color of the cape and boots brandon has on

[Super Kal]

yep, me too...

[SatEL]

i've said it before and i'll say it again...if you didn't have a problem with Reeve's build, then you shouldn't have a problem with Routh's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-3.jpg

edit: once again...all that's really needed is small changes in the proportions of the suit. a wider neckline and a higher waistline...those 2 things ALONE would make Routh look much bigger.

The diffrence is that Reeve didnt have a muscle suit on all that was natural.

[LadyVader]

Because the fabric was a lot thinner. Routh didn't need padding because he wasn't buff. He needed padding because the material was constricting.

[DorkyFresh]

The diffrence is that Reeve didnt have a muscle suit on all that was natural.
true, Routh had a muscle suit but it wasn't because he wasn't big enough. the fabric that Routh had to wear was so tight that it actually compressed his muscles and smoothed out most of the definition on his body, so to combat that problem they went with a muscle suit to fill in what the suit took away. in other words, if Routh were to wear the same material Reeve wore he'd probably look just as big as he did with the muscle suit and ultra tight fabric.

[Manhunter]

...
edit: once again...all that's really needed is small changes in the proportions of the suit. a wider neckline and a higher waistline...those 2 things ALONE would make Routh look much bigger.

:up:

Here's hoping Singer clues in.

[lujho]

i've said it before and i'll say it again...if you didn't have a problem with Reeve's build, then you shouldn't have a problem with Routh's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/routh-reeve-3.jpg

edit: once again...all that's really needed is small changes in the proportions of the suit. a wider neckline and a higher waistline...those 2 things ALONE would make Routh look much bigger.

But you can see chris is clearly broader. It's not about how much muscle development each has - Routh has about the same amount packed onto his frame and it is visibly much more sculpted thanks to the suit and so on...


... BUT Chris is simply broader and looks better as Superman. If you somehow had Brandon's naked skeleton alongside Chris', you be able to see and measure the difference between them, completely regardless of muscle and fat.

If Chris was wearing Brandon's suit with its padding... he's look as sculpted as Brandon AND be bigger/broader. Seriously, if Chris had had a suit like that (speedo fastskin bodysuit, foam latex under-padding) he would have looked absolutely AMAZINGLY PERFECT, rather than just "as good as they could to for the time". Brandon will never look as good as Chris potentially could have because of his narrow frame. It's a simple matter of the shape and size of his actual bones.

Not that I don't think they can dramatically improve his look with a few design tricks and some extra muscle/padding, but never as much as someone with Reeve's build could potentially be.

[DorkyFresh]

But you can see chris is clearly broader.
as an artist who's been studying anatomy for over 10 years, no i cannot CLEARLY see that...their body types are close enough to compare. about the only thing that Reeve has over Routh is wideness of the waist. once again, the reason Routh looks so slim is mainly because of the cut of his suit. look what happens if you just give Routh the same kind of cut on his trunks that Reeve has (not messing with body proportions)...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/ew.jpg

suddenly Routh doesn't seem so "slim". this manip shows just how important of a role the cut of his trunks play when it comes to Superman's image.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Routh's main problem is his hair which is too long and brushed to the wrong side. I agree that the suit is rubbish and it was stupid for them to make all the suits as he was still getting in shape.

[Majik1387]

He looks better slimmer.

[bigtizzle]

In that red carpet pic is Brandon wearing a shirt that says Eastvale Logging Camp? Isn't that from Warcraft? What an odd fashion choice. . .

[lujho]

as an artist who's been studying anatomy for over 10 years, no i cannot CLEARLY see that...their body types are close enough to compare. about the only thing that Reeve has over Routh is wideness of the waist. once again, the reason Routh looks so slim is mainly because of the cut of his suit. look what happens if you just give Routh the same kind of cut on his trunks that Reeve has (not messing with body proportions)...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/ew.jpg

suddenly Routh doesn't seem so "slim". this manip shows just how important of a role the cut of his trunks play when it comes to Superman's image.

Well, the change in Routh's beltline does improve the appearance of his proportions, but he still has narrower proportions than Reeve. Reeve's broader chest is fairly obvious. Actually, very obvious. I mean, look at the width of Reeve's pectorals in comparison to his hips. Then look at Routh:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/buildcom.jpg

Routh has the look of a narrow chest - a very unremarkable looking chest - with some really impressive big shoulders on either side. Reeve, and Gerard Butler in the first post has the look of a wide chest, which is kind of spreading out in front of the shoulders a little bit.

Routh's chest is not much wider than his hips. Reeve's is significantly wider. Routh's Torso is a rectangle, Reeve's is a trapezoid:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/buildcom2.jpg

Routh has these huge developed back muscles and muscles under his arms (the sides of his ribcage) though. From the back and in silhouette he really DOES look broad and top-heavy (in a good way - the way Superman should). But then you see this narrow little chest sitting in the front and it's just... less than impressive.

If this wasn't the case, Routh's S-shield would have been bigger. You can see it takes up about the same proportion of the width of his chest as Reeve's does - nipple to nipple, it looks like - but it is clearly smaller than Reeve's.

I don't know... maybe it's something that can be fixed. Either by developing the muscles differently or with padding. I sure hope so. I just get the image of Routh developing his chest more than in the first film and his pecs simply protrude more and more and not getting any wider at all.

As an aside: Reeve in a bodysuit like Routh's - I manipped this a while ago, overlaying Routh's suit on Reeve's body as accurately as I could. What Reeve could have looked like with modern costuming:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/ReeveReturns.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/ReeveHybrid.jpg

[DorkyFresh]

i see how Reeve's chest is a lil' wider than Routh's but the problem with your comparison is that Routh is in a relaxed state while it's obvious that Reeve is deliberately sticking his chest out (shoulders back) to make his chest appear bigger than it normally is. not to mention you can tell that the restricting fabric is squeezing at Routh's armpits which can create the illusion that his chest isn't as wide as it really is. you can tell it's squeezing because the folds on Routh's armpits point straight up instead of outwards like Reeve's do.

anyway, i've already conceded that Routh's chest is probably a tad thinner than Reeve's, but it's close enough to compare. if us 2 artists are having a debate over their bodies then they're obviously similar enough to warrant me saying "if you didn't have a problem with Reeve's build then you shouldn't have a problem with Routh's".

besides...Routh had about 5 months to get from regular shape to as big as he got and he got pretty damn close to Reeve's build, so with more time to prepare he'll undoubtedly achieve a bigger look for the sequel.

[lujho]

i see how Reeve's chest is a lil' wider than Routh's but the problem with your comparison is that Routh is in a relaxed state while it's obvious that Reeve is deliberately sticking his chest out (shoulders back) to make his chest appear bigger than it normally is.

Eh, I see the difference between the 2 actors consistently in all kinds of footage of them - relaxed and not, behind the scenes out-of-character stuff.

not to mention you can tell that the restricting fabric is squeezing at Routh's armpits which can create the illusion that his chest isn't as wide as it really is. you can tell it's squeezing because the folds on Routh's armpits point straight up instead of outwards like Reeve's do.

True. Maybe that's part of the problem, maybe that's the whole of the problem. I definitely think the material could be a little looser than it purportedly was - like a "rubber band". Maybe it's even those diagonal seams running from the armpits to the collar that exacerbate it. But I still got the same impression of Routh's narrow chest even in the brief topless scene in Returns.

Like I said, I think it's somewhat fixable with different costume design and possibly muscular development - at least I hope it is.

Any way, I don't have a big problem with Routh's build. It's simply less than ideal, but above the minimum requirements for me.

[WormyT]

Reeves is bigger than Routh. You only have to pop in STM and it's as clear as day. I guess my main point of this thread was Routh should have been way bulkier. Look how big Ed Norton got in American history X, look how gif Charlie Sheen was in Hot Shots2. Not superman big of course but in interviews they pretty much laughed and said "It's easy" to bulk up. I feel like his chest should at least be as big as the Guy from 300.
That being said I still would have disliked the movie.
For the sequel, crop the hair considerably, pile on a few more pounds and change everything about the suit.

[Jimmy, GL]

I agee 100%

That was one of my few beefs with the movie, the hair.


And the low ride undies:cmad:

His hair got nothing to do with it. If Tom Welling can pulll off having longer hair and haveing huge pecks at the same time then Routh should too dammit. :cmad:

In that red carpet pic is Brandon wearing a shirt that says Eastvale Logging Camp? Isn't that from Warcraft? What an odd fashion choice. . .


You didn't know he was a WoW junkie? They talked about that on the A&E documentary.

[DorkyFresh]

But I still got the same impression of Routh's narrow chest even in the brief topless scene in Returns.
fair enough, i'm not gonna stress over the exact size of his chest. it looks smaller when compared to Reeve's but standing alone i think he looked fine. he could probably bulk up a tad more but i wouldn't want him getting much bigger than he was in SR.

Look how big Ed Norton got in American history X, look how gif Charlie Sheen was in Hot Shots2. Not superman big of course but in interviews they pretty much laughed and said "It's easy" to bulk up. I feel like his chest should at least be as big as the Guy from 300.
one thing you have to remember is that those guys probably had more than 5 months to bulk up. i think Routh did a good job considering the circumstances. remember...there were numerous reports that he had to stop packing on the muscle because he was getting too big for the already tailored suit.


anyway, hopefully these issues won't be a problem come 2008.

[user123456789]

wormyT, i'm guessing you don't lift? No, I KNOW you don't lift, or else you wouldn't have made this thread. Try lifting a dumbbell during your free time, it's a lot harder than you think.
Those guys have little more going for them then say Tobey Maguire in the first Spiderman. Really ripped, but not a lot of mass on them.
Routh looked just about right in the DVD extra footage of him working out, maybe add a little more to that, but his suit is the problem, not the body. They really need to do something to that suit to accentuate his definition, not cover it.
bingo.

[NotFadeAway]

wormyT, i'm guessing you don't lift? No, I KNOW you don't lift, or else you wouldn't have made this thread. Try lifting a dumbbell during your free time, it's a lot harder than you think.



So true

[true316]

After watching the workout footage on the SR DVD I have to say I am extremely impressed with Routh. I found some screencaps over on the Planet so I think it is okay to post them. If not a mod can take them off. Here is one:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/absoluteimp/brandon/cap250.jpg

[DorkyFresh]

wow...Routh looks HUGE in that shot! anymore shots like that? i wanna get the dvd but i'm waiting until i'm able to get it on HD-dvd or Blu-ray.

[Brainiac 2009]

There are shots were he looks even more ripped on it and then him and his trainer joke that the suit unfortunately wont show any of it.

If they are using the same suit material for the sequel, he just needs a much thicker muscle suit padding. He could work out to the extent of Reeve for Superman III, but if it wont show through the suit...its pointless.

He needs thicker definition padding for the suit.

[sithgoblin]

His overall bulk needs to be bigger too. It's not just definition, he needs a bigger frame.

[patrickbateman]

After watching the workout footage on the SR DVD I have to say I am extremely impressed with Routh. I found some screencaps over on the Planet so I think it is okay to post them. If not a mod can take them off. Here is one:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/absoluteimp/brandon/cap250.jpg


is that bale ?:wow: :wow:

[DrMylesOBoogie]

is that bale ?:wow: :wow:No Bale can actually act.

[WormyT]

wormyT, i'm guessing you don't lift? No, I KNOW you don't lift, or else you wouldn't have made this thread. Try lifting a dumbbell during your free time, it's a lot harder than you think.

bingo.
Haha,

I do lift actually.
I've put on almost 10 pounds in the last month onto my skinny frame (with a little help from loads of Beef and Whey Protein Shakes). I can do 60 pushups without stopping. Not a lot, but 3 sets (180) is a great work out.
I ain't Superman though, but I can go past the pain barrier.Only then, do you see results.

After the holidays I've gotta start on the legs before Popeye syndrome takes over.

[dark_b]

http://www.brandonrouthweb.com/gallery/albums/makingparttwo/PDVD_126.jpg
http://www.brandonrouthweb.com/gallery/albums/makingparttwo/PDVD_125.jpg
http://www.brandonrouthweb.com/gallery/albums/makingparttwo/PDVD_164.jpg
http://www.brandonrouthweb.com/gallery/albums/peril/part3_%28107%29.jpg

maybe a bigger chest.

this is superman for me
http://www.brandonrouthweb.com/gallery/albums/peril/part3_%28119%29.jpg



screencaps from www.brandonrouthweb.com

[Super Kal]

he definitely needs to put on some more muscle for the sequel...

[DrMylesOBoogie]

He needs a fricken haircut.

[WormyT]

He needs a fricken haircut.
And possibly a new suit that makes his body look less Marshmallow-like.

[Lighthouse]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/buildcom2.jpg

I can't believe its come to this.

[dark_b]

what should they do? replace the actor who has a better bone structure?

[batboy99]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/absoluteimp/brandon/brandonrouth16110603.jpg

There are a few more scans, cant seem to find them.

Even if Brandon had the exact same chest definition as those guys, it wouldnt be evident through the suit.those are some nice muscles

[Lighthouse]

Brandon is buff but I still don't like how the costume makes him look.

[WormyT]

Brandon is buff but I still don't like how the costume makes him look.
I agree. it's like hes covered in Blue Custard.

[nocomics]

Nah, Brandon's build is fine,just needs a tad more width in his chest,but thats it. I thought they added more definition thru prostetics(sorry cant spell),but I think his build is fine. Suit was fine,too clingy? maybe? I guess Im in the minority as I thought suit/roths build is fine. I dont want no steroid-arnold type superman. Lets face, george reeves/christopher reeves and the guy before george didnt exactly have that 'build' everyone thinks superman should have.
We all have our opinions on what/how superman should be and look like. I dont want superman to regress back into the 80's style costume. Ive stated before CR costume was good for the 80's,not now. Im not anal about following the so called comics. The stuff that works in comics not always works on the big screen.

[lujho]

Maybe if they just used the exact same material for the suit but made it a certain percentage bigger, so as not to compress so much? Let a bit more shape through?

Remember, if you take off those swimsuits, they're much smaller than the person - they're child-sized, in fact.

[LL2K2]

Terry Notary, who was Brandon's movement coach (he also worked with Alan Cumming in X2), summed it up best in the documentary: "His strength comes from within. He's not this big, hulking, massive guy."

(On the Special Features disc, it's about halfway into the segment titled "The Crystal Method," or about 45 minutes if you watch it straight through.)

[Retroman]

^^I like that qoute. I don't think Superman should look like Mike O'Hearn like. Routh's physique was fine for SR. Having said that theres always room for improvement. I'd the sequel suit to show off his upper half more than the current suit does.Especially if he's going to battle a supervillain it'd be nice to see a more ripped BR.And i think we will.

[Retroman]

Forgive me for posting a Welling pic, but I think this is the perfect build for Superman. It could realisticlly be achieved too. And you can't even really see any definition. Supes just needs a huge chest and shoulders, much bigger than Brandon had. If he works them up for the sequel he should be ok.
I like this artist impression of what Welling would possibly look like in a Supersuit better than the one you posted personally. By comic god Alex Ross....

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/2581/supermanposter1lgsm3.jpg

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=1205

I'd probably change the hairstyle but otherwise this is a great image.

[project13]

I totally agree about the Spartan bodysuit. It's the perfecto
outfit for Superman when he's controlled by the Eradicator. At least, that what he would wear. In fact I stated a new thread that no one bothered to respond.:cmad:

This is my new thread:

SUPERMAN: ERADICATION plot

[Billy Batson]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/buildcom2.jpg

I can't believe its come to this.



:woot:

[Billy Batson]

I like this artist impression of what Welling would possibly look like in a Supersuit better than the one you posted personally. By comic god Alex Ross....

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/2581/supermanposter1lgsm3.jpg

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=1205

I'd probably change the hairstyle but otherwise this is a great image.

Alex Ross is the Mother F'en MAN!!!

[sithgoblin]

I like this artist impression of what Welling would possibly look like in a Supersuit better than the one you posted personally. By comic god Alex Ross....

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/2581/supermanposter1lgsm3.jpg

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=1205

I'd probably change the hairstyle but otherwise this is a great image.
I hate that image. The \S/ is way to big, he has a hood (?!) and his hair just looks weird.

[Majik1387]

I like this artist impression of what Welling would possibly look like in a Supersuit better than the one you posted personally. By comic god Alex Ross....

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/2581/supermanposter1lgsm3.jpg

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=1205

I'd probably change the hairstyle but otherwise this is a great image.
Is it just me or is his torso extremely long? The face doesn't look like Tom Welling at all and the \S/ sucks.

[sithgoblin]

Yeah, the proportions are way off.

[dark_b]

Is it just me or is his torso extremely long? The face doesn't look like Tom Welling at all and the \S/ sucks.ohhh come on :whatever:

[Majik1387]

ohhh come on :whatever:
Seeing as how it's supposed to be Tom Welling, it should at least have his face so he looks like Tom Welling.

[Thunder Emperor]

Problem is that no of that so called training showed in the moive, He looked like a first class sissy

[House_of_El]

Superman's hair should be short like Jim Lee's Superman.

[House_of_El]

I wouldnt mind if Routh bulked up just a little more. Also it would be good for him to get into fighting shape for the sequel.

[AgentPat]

I'm gonna preface this post by saying it's off topic, so read at your own risk. It has *nothing* to do with Routh, and is solely in regards to the Ross drawing. I was gonna put this post in spoiler tags, but that's probably a little overboard. I linked the reference pics instead of posting them, so hopefully that will suffice to avoid mod wrath (considering the subject matter) LOL!

Aight, now that the disclaimers are out of the way...

Is it just me or is his torso extremely long?Mmm... I think it's just you. Welling's a tall guy, but w/o seeing his legs in that drawing, it's difficult to evaluate actual proportions (http://www.patcostello.com/temp/run3.jpg).

The face doesn't look like Tom Welling at allNah. It doesn't look like him (http://www.patcostello.com/temp/paley4.jpg) at all. :p

C'mon guys. It's a drawing, not a photograph. It certainly looks enough like Welling (nose, lips, eyes, cheeks) to not mistake him for somebody else, which I'm guessing was the point. The only thing that's really different is his hair, but that shouldn't be a big surprise considering the character.

the \S/ sucks.It's a standard Alex Ross styled shield. I do think it's way too big, but I personally like the shape. To each their own, I guess.

the proportions are way off.SITH! Long time no see! How's it hangin' babe? :D

I think Ross did what he usually does in his comic book drawings: exaggerate proportions. Welling has an odd shape to begin with, but compared to other people his height, he has a smaller head (http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promo6.jpg) (old pic!), a larger chest (http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mortal10.jpg), and is generally just a bigger (http://www.patcostello.com/temp/rage2.jpg) guy. He probably would have fit in just fine in that Spartan 300 film this thread discusses. All that said, Ross apparently had a few modeling photos (http://www.patcostello.com/temp/ross3.jpg) (top row) of Welling to reference when he made that drawing.

PS: I wish I had photos of Welling working out in the gym and looking ginormous that I could share. That would be sweet. :)

[joke]

I remember reading something Mingenbach (or whatever the designer's name is) that the suit was originally the size of a little kid till they stretched it out and put it on Routh. So you can imagine what crap like that would do to his muscles and defintion.
While I personally have a lot of problems with the movie and its various aspects, Routh was in a very good shape according to those work-out pictures and Singer needs a slap in the face for ruining it. With the low trunks and small chest symbol, there's a lot of plain blue around Routh's torso, which makes him look elongated. While that, IMO, looks ridiculous in some shots and just plain bad in others, a finer, stricter definition of muscles would've helped hide that and make the suit more acceptable.

[Super Kal]

keep the same actor, just use different material, and make him work out more to give him more muscle definition... I like Routh as Superman.

[lujho]

Superman's hair should look like the hair that Superman has. :)

[dark_b]

Superman's hair should be short like Jim Lee's Superman.its nothing new that brandon would look better with short hair. but in a superman movie you have to have clark. and there is no way that you can have a different clark with short hair.

in SR there was a big difference between clark and superman. in S:TM clark looked like superman with glasses.

[Zen Ith]

in SR there was a big difference between clark and superman. in S:TM clark looked like superman with glasses.I wouldn't go that far. I think he looked different enough.

[resentment]

Something none of you have seemed to post and/or realize is that the shots you are viewing of Routh in the gym with the tank top on, are infact untrue from his actual size during the movie.

Reason being, I can guarantee they specifically filmed him in the gym that day AFTER the fact he had been lifting for a good hour or so, and had a massive pump going for his upper body. This easily can make anyone look 10-20% bigger than they actually are during downtime from the gym.

If anyone on these boards actually worked out on a regular basis, you would know what I'm talking about.

The size of Brandon in the gym screens are not how he will realisitcally look on the screen or at premieres for that matter. In the shots of Brandon at that recent premiere, it's apparent he hasn't lifted weights, but it's also a reality he could bulk back up in 4 weeks with ease.

The promo shots of the actors in "300" and anytime you see them in the movie looking ripped, I can guarantee they had done "pump" workouts before each shot which easily consist of a few crunches, push ups, and curls. It gives the mass effect of their size, plus it looks as if they have make up on their bodies, which I'm sure they do, to accentuate their actual size and definition on film.

Anytime, and I mean (almost) ANYTIME you see an actor with their shirt off during a scene either on television or a movie, they did some form of minor lifting to pump their veins and muscles out right before the shot.

Bottom line is, when you see footage of Routh in the gym, it's going to be an exaggerated appearance to how he'll actually look on film unless he pumps up before every shot.

Also another thing no one seems to mention, is the fact that he had a certain amount of definition padding in that suit. Bottom line is, no matter how thin that material of the suit was, or how tight it was, he still had actual padding, very thin, but padding nonetheless.

[LadyVader]

Bottom line... nobody looks good with their shirt off! :DThey all need work done in some shape or form.

[dark_b]

Something none of you have seemed to post and/or realize is that the shots you are viewing of Routh in the gym with the tank top on, are infact untrue from his actual size during the movie.

Reason being, I can guarantee they specifically filmed him in the gym that day AFTER the fact he had been lifting for a good hour or so, and had a massive pump going for his upper body. This easily can make anyone look 10-20% bigger than they actually are during downtime from the gym.

If anyone on these boards actually worked out on a regular basis, you would know what I'm talking about.

The size of Brandon in the gym screens are not how he will realisitcally look on the screen or at premieres for that matter. In the shots of Brandon at that recent premiere, it's apparent he hasn't lifted weights, but it's also a reality he could bulk back up in 4 weeks with ease.

The promo shots of the actors in "300" and anytime you see them in the movie looking ripped, I can guarantee they had done "pump" workouts before each shot which easily consist of a few crunches, push ups, and curls. It gives the mass effect of their size, plus it looks as if they have make up on their bodies, which I'm sure they do, to accentuate their actual size and definition on film.

Anytime, and I mean (almost) ANYTIME you see an actor with their shirt off during a scene either on television or a movie, they did some form of minor lifting to pump their veins and muscles out right before the shot.

Bottom line is, when you see footage of Routh in the gym, it's going to be an exaggerated appearance to how he'll actually look on film unless he pumps up before every shot.

Also another thing no one seems to mention, is the fact that he had a certain amount of definition padding in that suit. Bottom line is, no matter how thin that material of the suit was, or how tight it was, he still had actual padding, very thin, but padding nonetheless.i agree with your post but 10-20 % bigger?
you will need to show me some pics where a guy becomes 20% bigger.

[Billy Batson]

http://i2.rehostit.com/12202006/Reeve-Routh.jpg

SUPERMAN Tale of The Tape

Reeve vs Routh

1. Blue eyes vs Blue contacts
2. Thick neck vs thin neck
3. Large :super: for a wide chest vs Small :super: for a narrow chest
4. Marine (soldier) vs Navy (sailor)
5. Police vs Security Guard

[Sun_Down]

While I agree that Routh could have been bigger, I have to agree with this statement...
Sometimes alot of you whiney fanboys sound like women too.
Nobody should be saying that Routh "ain't big" or anything else to that effect. You can say that he's not quite as big as Reeve or Welling or whoever else, but I'd like to see anyone here bulk up to his size.

The bottom line, as I see it, is that Superman is supposed to be big. Routh was big. I'm happy. Yes, I'd be happy if he was a little bulkier in the chest, but really, is this anything to be complaining about? I don't think so.

And as for the OP's point of him looking "like a Spartan", take of Routh's shirt and oil him up and he'd look as big, if not bigger than any of the 300 actors. Stick one of them in a suit like Routh wore and they'd look just like Brandon.

[resentment]

i agree with your post but 10-20 % bigger?
you will need to show me some pics where a guy becomes 20% bigger.
Well, maybe not the person as a whole, but certain muscle groups by themselves can inflate drastically during a work out, maybe nothing near 20%, which as I think about it now, is fairly too much inflation for one workout. Nevertheless, appearance of a muscle's size can increase drastically during a workout, that's basically the core point I'm trying to get across in my previous post.

[superduperhero]

Routh is 6'3 while Gerard Butler is 6'2, height makes alot of difference too.... AND, the guys from 300 were airbrushed, i'm sure their cut, but the airbrushing makes them looked ripped as hell. So i think Routh did good as far as bulking up.

[Axl Van Sixx]

Truthfully, I really have no problem with the suit at this point. The more I watch the movie, the more I can see that it really looks great on film, and that's all that matters to me. As for Routh's build, he looks perfectly muscular enough in the movie to play Superman. Any comparisions between him and Reeve, for me, are beside the point. In the end, he WAS Superman in the movie for me, and the performance is what really matters. Now if only they could give him more dialogue for the sequel...

[dark_b]

Routh is 6'3 while Gerard Butler is 6'2, height makes alot of difference too.... AND, the guys from 300 were airbrushed, i'm sure their cut, but the airbrushing makes them looked ripped as hell. So i think Routh did good as far as bulking up.thats what i asked them months ago. i mean it is impossible to get so much actors that have so good abs.

[superhey]

like this picture dark hair and SHORT HAIR WITH MESSY HAIR LOOK BUT WITH ONE CURL
Superman's hair should look:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3584/untitledoa6.jpg

[DorkyFresh]

i, personally, think that looks too trendy and messy. that hairstyle makes Routh look teeny and "hip".

[El Payaso]

Depths of hell.

[I Am The Knight]

Who cares....I thought he looked fine.

[Eros]

movie superman never seems to be able to gow a beard, or ever need a shave. He spent 5 years in space, and yet he returns with perfect length hair, and a clean shaven face.

[Brainiac 2009]

Does your hair grow when youre in stasis?


Regardless his hair in Returns was the same length as Chris' in Superman II

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9865/shot2largexq4.jpg

[DorkyFresh]

Chris's hair was perfect for the time...late 70's, early 80's. not to mention his hair was curly/wavy. Routh's hair is pretty straight...which is why i think they should make his hair to look like Bale's in that one picture on the last page.

[kieron39]

i have jus been watching Superman the movie again, and i just realised that jor el say 12 years goes from when he 1st goes in the FOS at the age of 18 out as Superman, so wouldnt that make him 30 when he comes out?? and then a few go by, then another 5 for his visist to destroyed krypton??

[GreenKToo]

He ages slower,but I would say around 36 to 38.

[kieron39]

so how old is lois spose to be?!

[kaijunexus]

Probably early 30s.

[kieron39]

wow, well i jus find it strange...
ive also got another question, jor el said that he would been dead 1000 of earth years from when he sees the message, but then superman goes to krypton and back, but the still only 5 years has gone, the time it would take to get there and back? so can some one explain the 1000 yea thing

[BenReilly19]

SR uses STM as it's origin but there timelines are different. In SR, Superman is 31 years old. There's a reference in the film, that Clark landed in Smallville in 1978 (an homage to STM). It took Clark three years to get from Krypton to Earth, so that would make him 31 in 2006. One could assume that the twelve year absence never occured in SR's timeline and he started his career in his early to mid twenties.

[Matt]

This question HAS been raised before and is simply one of the many problems of Bryan Singer's lazy film making.

[kieron39]

yea, i finally see what people meant, i saw the old superman time ago, but after watching returns and then re watching the old one again, it's alot more obvious..i jus hope he goes into his own on # 2

[Lead Cenobite]

This question HAS been raised before and is simply one of the many problems of Bryan Singer's lazy film making.

Yeah thanks for that answer.

It's pretty simple. In Superman Returns, Clark arrived at the DP when he was 24 or 25 rather than 30 like in Superman, and Lois was around the same age.

[kieron39]

well singer did say it wasnt a sequels to the other 2 movies, he said the other 2 was a kind of background we already know, but it still doesnt explain the 1000 year thing (the answer the other guy was refering to)

[Lead Cenobite]

I dunno. It seems to me there's a lot going against Brando's line. Lex says Krypton blew up in 1948 for one thing, and Jor-El himself mentions Einstein in his recording in Kal-El's ship.

[kieron39]

well it would be 1948 for the old movie, because how it takes kal-el a couple or 3 years to get to earth, he was about 5 or 6 by the time he was there leaves at 18, and is superman by age 30 (in the old movie) and the movie was out in 1979?? i didnt do the match i jus think it might be around the right time.. i duno the numbers are there work it out...

[FanboyX_Returns]

well singer did say it wasnt a sequels to the other 2 movies, he said the other 2 was a kind of background we already know, but it still doesnt explain the 1000 year thing (the answer the other guy was refering to)

IN the original the 1000 year thing is explained at the start of the movie.... Clark goes from one galaxy to the next in less then 3 years meaning he was going faster then the speed of light.

So while he only aged 3 or 4 years outside the ship a good 1000 years had passed by.

Knowing this since he was a scientist himself Jor-EL's said what he said to young Kal-EL.

This all connects to Einstein's theory of relativity, and time travel theory.
Einstein theorized that if you were in a ship going at light speed (Because to him nothing could break or be faster then lightspeed) you would age alot slower then the world around you.

Mario Puzzo who wrote the original screenplay for "Superman: The Movie" was trying to be as accurate about the science as he could.

It just took Bryan Singer & his two idiot writers who lack the intelligence to know how to keep up with even the simplest science facts!
They either never noticed this or were to ignorant on how it all works to write it in their awful script... This is why they had Clark go, and come back in 5 years while NOTHING, and NOBODY aged on earth.

Bad writing guys...

Earth should have aged a lot in the 5 years it took him to go back to Krypton & come back.

It's stuff like this that makes me mad about what they did in the last movie... Total hack job! From top to bottom.
It's like they weren't even trying!

Everyone was to busy worrying about the size of Brandon's package to worry about the more important things.

Like the fine details which make a story good or great.

But that's what you get when you get three idiots run the biggest franchise name at the WB.

A total hack job...

[Mr. Socko]

I'm pretty sure Singer was worried about the size of Brandon's package, I know I was!

[Brainiac 2009]

Heres a somewhat definative answer;

Superman is 32/33 in SR age-wise. He crashed on Earth as a baby in 1978 (at the age about 4).

According to the Requiem of Krypton DVD, his first appearance as Superman was in 1996.........which means the 12 year Fortress training never happened


The Return to Krypton scenes also showed Superman in some kind of Cyro-stasis pod during his journey, so physically he may not have aged much since he left....as his body was in stasis....so he would likely appear late-20s in appearance (which is basically how Brandon Routh looked).