Is PC gaming dead?

[Kritish]

Aside from the good online rpg it seems that the PC game culture is riddled with Tycoon games and games that aren't good enougth to become consule titles. Of course I'm probably going to get some backlash from this thread. But I'd like to hear someone list a good PC game that wasn't an online game since half life.

[Addendum]

Deus Ex

[The Ether]

warcraft III

people still play dota

[Isildur´s Heir]

I give you that you have a lot of crap on the PC, but you have many great games too.

Warcraft series
Starcraft
Diablo series
Baldur´s Gate series
Icewind Dale series
Tons and tons of amazing RTS (which are better played with mouse and keyboard, IMO)
Tons and tons of amazing FPS (which are better played with mouse and keyboard, IMO)
The upcoming S.T.A.L.K.E.R and Crysis
PC lacks platforms, fighting and racing games.
All other genres have a place on the PC, besides, with the upcoming Vista and DirectX 10, PC gaming will return big time.

The thing is, everyone has a PC, not everyone has a console or wants to.
That alone will make that PC gaming will never die.
And one important thing that many seem forget, the PC is, in no way, worst than any console, if anything, it´s better, and i mean technically.
With time, it becomes better in graphics, sound, playability, frame rate...
Not bashing consoles, not even for a second, but a PC get upgrades, consoles don´t.

[SouLeSS]

Every main blizzard game is doing amazingly well.

Combined theres about 11million users.

[Addendum]

For RTS games, of course a mouse and keyboard is better.

For FPS games, I've seen no difference between using a mouse and keyboard or a controller.

And with the games out right now, none of them look as good as Gears of War. Will that change with time? Of course.

[Kritish]

There's still more tycoon games than anything else.

[Addendum]

With consoles, you have an easier time finding older games.

[Isildur´s Heir]

With consoles, you have an easier time finding older games.
IMO, it´s the other way around.
I can´t find PS1 games, for example.
Or even in the PS2, i´m till trying to find the two Maximo, Baldur´s Gate: Dark Aliance II and Champions of Norrath.

On the PC, i can find tons of old games easily.

[Addendum]

I can find PS1 games at Gamestop in my town. I can also find plenty of PS2 games and Xbox games. If some of them come with the cover and manual is another thing.

However, when I go into Walmart, Target, Best Buy, or Circuit City, aside from the current games, the oldest game I can find is the PC version of Grand Theft Auto 3.

Last year, the oldest PC games in Gamestop were Deus Ex: Invisible War, Septerra Core and Thief: Deadly Shadows.

I can only speak for what's in Memphis right now. Your town might have a game store that specializes in old PC games.

[Syn (Mercenary)]

Republic Commando. Best Online Game ever.

[Elisha Cuthbert]

I want a goddamn Monkey Island 5. :mad:

[Addendum]

My computer is too fast to play System Shock 1 and 2 :csad:

[Isildur´s Heir]

I can find PS1 games at Gamestop in my town. I can also find plenty of PS2 games and Xbox games. If some of them come with the cover and manual is another thing.

However, when I go into Walmart, Target, Best Buy, or Circuit City, aside from the current games, the oldest game I can find is the PC version of Grand Theft Auto 3.

Last year, the oldest PC games in Gamestop were Deus Ex: Invisible War, Septerra Core and Thief: Deadly Shadows.

I can only speak for what's in Memphis right now. Your town might have a game store that specializes in old PC games.
I´m from Portugal

[Addendum]

Cool.

If I could find a store in town that sold old PC games, and had a copy of Thief Gold, Thief 2: The Metal Age, Planescape: Torment, Grim Fandango, and maybe Anachronox (I'm still iffy on it), my PC gaming needs will be complete.

[Speedball]

My computer is too fast to play System Shock 1 and 2 :csad:

LOL!!!
usually it's the opposite for me.

[OtepApe]

I am just really getting into my pc gaming, I would never really play any games on there except Broken Sword series and Monkey Island series. Now I am looking to get into it a lot more. Dark Messiah, and I really want to try World of Warcraft, just not sure if I will get enough time to play it.

[Havok83]

are there any good original PC games besides FPS and strategy games? It seems as if thats what the bulk of them are and Im not a huge fan of either genre

[XwolverineX]

My PC just can't handle the top games. I would upgrade, except all good PC titles come to the XBOX 360. Hellgate:London will, Spore is, Dragon Age is, S.T.A.L.K.E.R most likely will, and I'm still betting Crysis will.

[3dman27]

what about city of heroes and city of villians:ninja:

[SouLeSS]

What about them?

[Nathan]

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/3818/2nn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:cmad: :up:

[3dman27]

What about them?
aren't city of heroes/villiansany good ?i hear they are:ninja:

[jeaf7]

I actually quit console games for PC games.........

[Isildur´s Heir]

My PC just can't handle the top games. I would upgrade, except all good PC titles come to the XBOX 360. Hellgate:London will, Spore is, Dragon Age is, S.T.A.L.K.E.R most likely will, and I'm still betting Crysis will.
:confused:
Hellgate: London WILL NOT going to the 360.
Spore IS NOT on the 360
Dragon Age IS NOT going to the 360
Where have you heard that??

As for S.T.A.L.K.E.R...i dunno, never heard anything in those terms, and Crysis, Crytek said that will not going to because no console can handle it.

Speaking at the Games Convention in Leipzig, Bernd Diemer, senior game designer of Crytek, explained that next-generation consoles don’t offer enough computational power to run Crysis, German publication Heise reported.

Although Crysis will support both current and the next version of DirectX, Crytek claims that only DirectX 10 allows the game to run as it was intended by the developers because the next-generation DirectX API, which will ship along with Windows Vista, allows more effects and more objects to be drawn on the screen with a smaller computational cost for the hardware.

Diemer explained that “next generation consoles like the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 do not offer the sufficient power” to assure the quality of gameplay Crytek demand for Crysis.

Crytek reiterated at GC 06 that currently, Crysis in only in development for Windows. We (TeamXbox)haven’t lost hope that we’ll eventually see an Xbox 360 version of this first-person shooter.

[JackBauer]

funnily enough, the biggest selling game ever is The Sims, a PC game. funnily enough, it wasn't that long ago.

PC gaming is far from dead.

[BizarroAids]

funnily enough, the biggest selling game ever is The Sims, a PC game. funnily enough, it wasn't that long ago.

PC gaming is far from dead.

I still love that game, it's just plain fun. I don't believe PC gaming is dead either, or far from it. I play a FPS called Black Hawk Down, and on an average slow day (i.e. Mondays, Tuesdays, mornings/afternoons) there are still about roughly 2,000 people playing.

City of Heroes/Villians is still a great game, and still people play that.

[Addendum]

I'll pass on Crysis. I'm not about to get a new operating system and computer just to play a game

[XwolverineX]

:confused:
Hellgate: London WILL NOT going to the 360.
Spore IS NOT on the 360
Dragon Age IS NOT going to the 360
Where have you heard that??

As for S.T.A.L.K.E.R...i dunno, never heard anything in those terms, and Crysis, Crytek said that will not going to because no console can handle it.

Um, you're absolutely wrong. Spore is already confirmed to be coming to the console a little while after. Dragon Age is by BioWare, so a post is inevitable. And Hellgate: London will most likely show up aswell.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Um, you're absolutely wrong. Spore is already confirmed to be coming to the console a little while after. Dragon Age is by BioWare, so a post is inevitable. And Hellgate: London will most likely show up aswell.
First, before you say i´m a PC fanboy, let me tell you that i want to buy a 360.
Now...
Ok, i just found out that you are right, Spore is going to the 360.
But, then again, it´s even going to cell phones, and it might go to the PS3 and Wii too.
Because Will Wright said it will go every platform, not Xbox 360 console only.
Hellgate: London.....i don´t buy going to the 360.
Dragon Age...
If Mass Effect doesn´t get into the PC, bet your ass Dragon Age will never go to the 360.
It´s easier to believe that Mass Effect ends on the PC, than DA on the Xbox.

All in all, YOU WISH those games would go to the MS console, but you have nothing to back it up.

Dragon Age is by BioWare, so a post is inevitable.
I don´t get that...:confused:
Why is it uneviatble?
Bioware never made a "only console game", the first (if...) being Mass Effect.
Even Jade is going to the PC, and KOTOR was a PC game that arrived to the Xbox because of agreements with MS.
Dragon Age is the farewell game of Bioware to the "Baldur´s Gate" type RPG, and Baldur´s Gate is no the kind of game you can play on a console.

[Oerwinde]

Spore isn't going to consoles. At least any time soon. EA has officially denied the development of a console version of spore. If a game is in development and they can't say anything about it, they say they can't say anything about it, they don't deny development. Thats not saying it won't ever be on consoles, just that it will likely be PC exclusive for at least a year.

Dragon Age is PC only. Its gameplay would be horrid on a console as its sposed to be similar to BG or Neverwinter Nights.

[Arkady Rossovich]

With the power of these next generation consoles,i see PC gaming slowly..slowly dissapearing.

[Oerwinde]

With the power of these next generation consoles,i see PC gaming slowly..slowly dissapearing.

The way consoles are going I see PC gaming getting a boost in the next generation, since the consoles each gen are becoming more and more like PCs. They're even starting to patch console games.

[Artik2]

True... But I think that the pc gaming will still be there... its just like other console :P

[SouLeSS]

BTW, WoW just hit 8 million subscribers so...

[Oerwinde]

True... But I think that the pc gaming will still be there... its just like other console :P

My point was that I think eventually... console gaming and PC gaming will be the same thing. Considering how consoles each gen are becoming more and more like PCs.

[Lucy in the sky]

My point was that I think eventually... console gaming and PC gaming will be the same thing. Considering how consoles each gen are becoming more and more like PCs.


I fear gaming along with general communications will all be done from a single device and i will be glued to it forever!

[kde788]

IMHO
Consoles are in their infancy. The motion controllers are the first baby steps of this format. Think about it, until now its been the same thing since the early Atari days... you are basically manapulating pixels to move along an x y axis. Every game is the exact same thing with a different presentation. PC's are just more interesting because the game hardware is more expensive and powerful and the programming much more flexible (keyboard options).

I think game developers (soft and hard) will continue to push the envelope, as the technology gets cheaper and cheaper, you will see console games/experiences become a part of mostly everyones life..ie virtual reality.... (i got that from a great documentarly on the game industry)

so.. PC Gaming is not dead... its two powerful and flexible right now.

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kde
~~~http://www.arcadecomputer.com ~~~

[Addendum]

But for people who aren't into playing video games, the gaming consoles will always be an optional item, especially since they already have a computer with internet access, a DVD player, depending on their cable and/or satellite provider: On Demand TV and movies plus the ability to record onto a DVD.

And even in the PC world, not everyone who has a PC actually goes out and buys a game. If they play any game at all, it's either Solitaire or Free Cell

[XPunisherman88]

i hope its not dying, i just wish they had put Call of Duty 2 on the PC.

[Venom Jr.]

how can u say "is pc gaming dead?" r u insane im a huge pc gamer and i tel u that most of the best games are on the pc. the pc is the only system to succesfuly creat rpg's!!!

[Brainiac 8]

how can u say "is pc gaming dead?" r u insane im a huge pc gamer and i tel u that most of the best games are on the pc. the pc is the only system to succesfuly creat rpg's!!!

What's wrong with you?:whatever:

While some of the great RPGs have been on PC, the title of the most successfully created goes to console gaming.

Squaresoft in their hayday made rpgs that were more successfull than anything that the PC has ever had to offer, excluding the MMO RPGs such as WOW and Everquest.

[Venom Jr.]

Nah man rpgs were so not ment for the console games..(execpt fanail fantasy) mmo's make the pc gaming expirence so much better. and everquest is realy! lame... play concoure.

[Brainiac 8]

I think you need to keep a dictionary handy, or at least invest in a typing tutor. ;)


You notice though, that I said With the Exception of MMO RPGs.

Your standard RPGs though have been much more successful on consoles, and were mostly considered a niche genre until FF7 was made for the PS1.

Even before then though, games like Chrono Trigger, Lufia, FF series, Breath of Fire, Legend of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, Shining Force, Lunar series, etc etc made console gaming a more enjoyable and successful force to had than PC RPGs could ever hope to be.

[Venom Jr.]

haha your very funny if u just played some pc rpg's u would know what i am talking about.

[Brainiac 8]

haha your very funny if u just played some pc rpg's u would know what i am talking about.


PC RPGs are very much what I used to play, and I just gave you some definite proof of how consoles made the genre more successful.

What RPGs do you know of for the PC that pushed the genre forward at all? You seem to be dancing around what I am saying.

[Venom Jr.]

neverwinter nights....oblivian...runescape....conquer....maple story..should i keep going?

[Brainiac 8]

neverwinter nights....oblivian...runescape....conquer....maple story..should i keep going?


most of those still showed up on a console also, so that sort of voids your point. On top of that, none of those really pushed the RPG genre to the forefront like the console RPGs have done.

Maple Story is a silly little MMO RPG that is :down.

[Venom Jr.]

most of those still showed up on a console also, so that sort of voids your point. On top of that, none of those really pushed the RPG genre to the forefront like the console RPGs have done.

Maple Story is a silly little MMO RPG that is :down.
ummm oblivan is the only one rune scape isnt on a console wat r u brain dead. and oblivian on the console is boring...:dry:

[Brainiac 8]

ummm oblivan is the only one rune scape isnt on a console wat r u brain dead. and oblivian on the console is boring...:dry:


Ok, Mr. C...you keep telling yourself that PC RPGs influenced the popularity of the genre.:whatever:

[Venom Jr.]

what ever dc fan..

[KingOfDreams]

Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic

[Venom Jr.]

ok..nice...

[Majin Boo]

it is true that PC games just aint what they use to.

[Venom Jr.]

u r lame 4 saying that....

[mjbull23]

I've been hearing about the decline of PC Gaming for the last 7 - 8 years now, but you know what? There is still a very viable market for PC gaming and the manufacturers know this. PC Gaming isn't going away anytime soon.

[TheCorpulent1]

Now that console prices keep on climbing, PC games are actually cheaper, too. I'd much rather spend the $500 I would spend on a 360 on a top-of-the-line video card for my PC, buy all my games for $10 to $20 less, and play them with even better graphical bells and whistles and a greater availability of free mods and stuff (vs. solely official releases that you have to pay for on Live).

But I'm a PC whore. :o

[WhatsHisFace]

Microsoft is trying to get the PC Gaming scene back to where it should be with the "Games for Windows" brand line, but it's fallen flat out of the gate with "Shadowrun" and "Halo 2".

I believe Crysis, Starcraft 2 and Spore will really help PC gaming, but it could sure use more help.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I've seen the "Games for Windows" tags on them. Plus, they've minimized boxes to console-game size. What the PC really needs is to find a new niche. The FPS has been totally taken over by consoles. Now the only people who play them with the good ol' mouse/keyboard setup are uncompromising dinosaurs like me, who started out on Wolfenstein and Quake and will be damned if I switch to one of those girly gamepad-based shooters now.

Oh, I think the fact that it's ridiculously easy to pirate PC games is probably making a big dent in the sales, too.

[mjbull23]

I bought Vista a couple of months ago. Even though the interface looks more sleek, It's been somewhat frustrating to find that I can no longer play some of my older DOS Based Games on here. I've been trying to run X-Com Enforcer on here and everytime it try to startup I receive a dialog box "Cant run in fullscreen mode"..

[TheCorpulent1]

So run it windowed. DOS-based games haven't run in Windows for a while, anyway. I tried installing and playing an old adventure game on XP one time, but Windows just wouldn't run it.

[Daredevil]

I don't think PC games will ever die out but it's hard not to deny that it's lost that certain charm that it used to. The adventure game genre which was my favorite in the early to mid 90's is virtually non-existent, the FPS genre is finding a lot of success on the 360, MMORPGs have flooded the market which require you to pay monthly which is a turnoff for many people, and the big anticipated releases are getting more and more spread apart so there is months that go by where nothing remotely good comes out.

Right now PC gaming has hit a low point due to the console industry and the problems I listed above, but I do believe once the PC gets a real killer app that not only defines a new genre, but also sweeps the nation like DOOM did in the early 90's, I have no doubt that we'll see a much happier time for PC gaming.

[TheCorpulent1]

Adventure games still get released on the PC. The only problem is that the good ones also get released for consoles, the most recent of which I can think of being Dreamfall.

[Havok83]

man thats funny bc Im finally starting to be a PC gamer now that I have a PC that can actually run games. Over the past few months Ive been playing, Swat 4, Sims 2, Half Life 2, Spider-man 3, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Oblivion, and now Halo 2 and maybe Shadowrun after next week

[GFreeman]

Everyone's always talking about how PC gaming is dead or dying, but they've been saying it for about a decade now, and it still hasn't happened. I look at PC gaming, and I see some of the biggest money makers of the decade on the PC, mostly exclusively on the PC. Show me a game as profitable as WoW on the consoles. Show me a game as advanced as Crysis on the consoles. Explain why there are more people using Steam (13 million) than there are using the Xbox360 (11.6 million). Why would it die?

[cookiva]

Crysis, WoW, Starcraft, even Diablo 2 among countless others....no, PC gaming will never die.

[TheCorpulent1]

As sad as it would make me to see PC gaming die altogether, the prospect of PC gaming living on solely through MMORPGs saddens me even more. :(

Hopefully, Crysis and Starcraft 2 and the other games coming out for PC in the next few years will renew enough interest to keep either from happening.

[WhatsHisFace]

I agree. MMORPGs can collectively kiss my ass, all at the same time. I don't see why EVERY developer wants to make one, simply because WoW is doing so well. Why not grab a more open market like adventure games?

[TheCorpulent1]

I really miss adventure games. Game developers should all gather 'round a cozy fire and hear ideas from Ragnar Tornquist, David Cage, and maybe Crystal Dynamics about how to mix platforming, puzzles, button sequence mini-games, mystery, and incredible stories together to return the adventure genre to its former glory.

[Venom Jr.]

I don't think PC gaming will ever die with great RPG's that you can only find on there!

[TheCorpulent1]

Like? :confused:

[EdRyder]

The only MMO I play is Stormreach.
Sadly the following drama fest came to my attention recently.
From USA Today
RENO (AP) — A couple authorities say were so obsessed with the Internet and video games that they left their babies starving and suffering other health problems have pleaded guilty to child neglect.
The children of Michael and Iana Straw, a boy age 22 months and a girl age 11 months, were severely malnourished and near death last month when doctors saw them after social workers took them to a hospital, authorities said. Both children are doing well and gaining weight in foster care, prosecutor Kelli Ann Viloria told the Reno Gazette-Journal.

Michael Straw, 25, and Iana Straw, 23, pleaded guilty Friday to two counts each of child neglect. Each faces a maximum 12-year prison sentence.

Viloria said the Reno couple were too distracted by online video games, mainly the fantasy role-playing "Dungeons & Dragons" series, to give their children proper care.

"They had food; they just chose not to give it to their kids because they were too busy playing video games," Viloria told the Reno Gazette-Journal.


Police said hospital staff had to shave the head of the girl because her hair was matted with cat urine. The 10-pound girl also had a mouth infection, dry skin and severe dehydration.

Her brother had to be treated for starvation and a genital infection. His lack of muscle development caused him difficulty in walking, investigators said.

The Straws have been given public defenders. Jeremy Bosler, head of the county public defender's office, declined to comment to The Associated Press on Saturday.

Michael Straw is an unemployed cashier, and his wife worked for a temporary staffing agency doing warehouse work, according to court records. He received a $50,000 inheritance that he spent on computer equipment and a large plasma television, authorities said.

While child abuse because of drug addiction is common, abuse rooted in video game addiction is rare, Viloria said.

Last month, experts at an American Medical Association meeting backed away from a proposal to designate video game addiction as a mental disorder, saying it had to be studied further. Some said the issue is like alcoholism, while others said there was no concrete evidence it's a psychological disease.

Patrick Killen, spokesman for Nevada Child Abuse Prevention, said video game addiction's correlation to child abuse is "a new spin on an old problem."

"As we become more technologically advanced, there's more distractions," Killen said. "It's easy for someone to get addicted to something and neglect their children. Whether it's video games or meth, it's a serious issue, and (we) need to become more aware of it."

[Gilpesh]

What about Spore?

[Addendum]

I don't think PC gaming will ever die with great RPG's that you can only find on there!

And you have to pay every month to play. Sounds like fun :dry:

[TheCorpulent1]

EdRyder: It's sad, but that has more to do with the parents being horrible parents than with video games.

[Kritish]

I'll give PC games one thing, Grand Theft Auto is better on them. This sounds petty but the customizable sound track is worth it.

[SalaciousVC]

if pc gaming was dead NOBODY would be playing pc games right now

[Venom Jr.]

if pc gaming was dead NOBODY would be playing pc games right now

Great Statement and Im suporting that comment.

[Apollo]

my computer is better then the x-box 360 and playstation 3!!! :cmad:

[Venom Jr.]

^ Yes, oblivoin plays way better on PC than on the 360.

[WhatsHisFace]

That's because it's a PC game at heart. Halo plays better on the Xbox.

Still, PC gaming is very much alive. I wouldn't say it's hurting, but it IS smaller than console gaming. I listen to GFW's podcast, and until Bioshock, they were mainly talking about Half-Life 2, WoW or Quake Wars. I like the concept of PC gaming, but it does need more games. That's obviously where the impression of "is PC gaming dead?" comes from.

[Venom Jr.]

^ Its is true that Halo does play better on PC but I do agree with the rest of what you said too.

[Moon |つき|]

It is not at all dead.
Read this.
Report: Casual Gaming is Most Popular Online Entertainment Activity (http://www.dailytech.com/Report+Casual+Gaming+is+Most+Popular+Online+Entert ainment+Activity/article8497.htm)

[Venom Jr.]

Puzzle games. Yeah I guess that is proof.

[Moon |つき|]

They are games. . .

[Venom Jr.]

^Never said they weren't.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's because it's a PC game at heart. Halo plays better on the Xbox.

Still, PC gaming is very much alive. I wouldn't say it's hurting, but it IS smaller than console gaming. I listen to GFW's podcast, and until Bioshock, they were mainly talking about Half-Life 2, WoW or Quake Wars. I like the concept of PC gaming, but it does need more games. That's obviously where the impression of "is PC gaming dead?" comes from.
Unfortunately, developers are getting less and less inclined to make PC games, though. id and another major developer that I can't remember just said they were going to focus more on making console games, meaning any PC versions they put out are likely going to be ports. :(

[Venom Jr.]

If there are still PC games being made, PC gameing is not dead.

[GFreeman]

Unfortunately, developers are getting less and less inclined to make PC games, though. id and another major developer that I can't remember just said they were going to focus more on making console games, meaning any PC versions they put out are likely going to be ports. :(
"In the last couple weeks I actually have started working on an XBOX 360. Most of the upcoming graphics development work will be starting on that initially. It’s worth going into the reasons for that decision on there. To be clear, the PC platform will be released at least at the same time if not earlier than any of the consoles but we are putting a good deal more effort towards making sure that the development process goes smoothly onto them."

Are you talking about that quote? Because that's not even close to saying "we're going to focus on making console games" :huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

I was actually referring to the reference in this article:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=445

Granted, that guy might not know what he's talking about regarding id and Epic, but I took him at his word because I don't follow the gaming news circuit too closely. I mostly just read Penny Arcade and whatever's on the Gaming section of Digg.

[GFreeman]

Well, I just glanced at that, but the Epic and ID links he posted were kind of misrepresented in what he wrote. In any case, even if PC developers are beginning to become PC and console developers (and they are, they've been doing that since the xbox hit), the reverse is happening as well. Capcom in particular has been releasing their entire catalogue onto Steam since the PC version of Lost Planet was released. Developers focusing on more than one development platform is nothing new, and I really don't think it signals that PC gaming is on the decline.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but the focus still seems to be shifting to consoles. I tend to find console-to-PC ports less technically impressive than PC-to-console ports, although I've enjoyed my fair share of the former--Indigo Prophecy, the Crystal Dynamics Tomb Raiders, Dreamfall, etc.

Really, if they'd just make the consoles accept a mouse/keyboard control solution in addition to the gamepads, I'd have no problem with more of an emphasis on console gaming. The current generation of consoles already have USB ports, even. I just can't get into FPS's with a gamepad.

[Addendum]

I've had no problem playing with a mouse/keyboard and then going to a controller

[TheCorpulent1]

Lucky you. I just can't get a feel for aiming with the gamepads. I need to be able to intuitively point at exactly what I need to shoot at, not thumb my way around the screen with an analog stick. It feels weird and removes me from the game, which takes a lot of the fun out.

[GFreeman]

I have no problem with either. I prefer aiming with a mouse for most games, but I also prefer to walk around with an analogue stick, so it's a trade-off. Modern PC games let you use the 360 controller anyways.

[TheCorpulent1]

I have no problem with either. I prefer aiming with a mouse for most games, but I also prefer to walk around with an analogue stick, so it's a trade-off. Modern PC games let you use the 360 controller anyways.
Yeah. But that's the opposite of what I was talking about. I'd like consoles to support keyboard/mouse setups. I use a Logitech gamepad that's pretty much identical to a PS2/3 gamepad when I'm playing adventure games and ports of console games on my computer, but I need a keyboard/mouse for FPS's. The consoles just refuse to implement them.

Maybe there'll be a compromise one day and a 3rd party company will create a mouse/keypad combination that can work like a keyboard and mouse for the consoles. Until then, I'll just have to stick to PC FPS's.

[Venom Jr.]

I think PC gameing isn't dead too beacuse WOW is one of the biggest signs of that.


TheCorpulent, are you a Korn fan?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not particularly. I liked them a lot during my rebellious metal high school phase, but not much now. There are still a few songs I like from them, though.

[Venom Jr.]

^ I noticed your avatar thats why.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, that's from the comic book Fell.

[Venom Jr.]

^ Heh. Its also in the Korn song from "Right Now" the same words, every one of them. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh, didn't know that. Cool. :up:

[Venom Jr.]

Huh, didn't know that. Cool. :up:
Yeah im a Korn fan and I just saw that.


To get back on topic:

Also Runescape, That is one of the biggest RPG online that I know of.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's the thing, though, online RPGs and MMOs like WoW are basically all the PC has left. I'd like to see a lot more variety in my PC games. I don't think the medium will die, but I do think it needs to be more versatile.

[Venom Jr.]

True. There are wat too many MMO RPG fantasy games.

[TNC9852002]

For me it is...Most of the PC games that I've been interested in have gone to console.

-TNC

[Gilpesh]

Spore needs to come... that would kick PC games in the butt.

[GFreeman]

Yeah, the crippled version of Spore that will end up on consoles is really going to be the final nail.

[WhatsHisFace]

When System Shock 3 comes out I'll make a thread called "PC Gaming Has Died". Until then, we're enjoying Crysis.

[GFreeman]

EA's System Shock 3 will never see the light of day.

[WhatsHisFace]

I really hope it does. Maybe if I tell The Lizard#1 it's a PS3 exclusive he'll make threads about what the designer eats for lunch every day and then two other threads on the same topic only from different websites.

[GFreeman]

That's the last thing System Shock needs, association with Lizard#1. The franchise has been through enough.

[WhatsHisFace]

That's what you think. Just wait for "System Shockz: Underground."

[GFreeman]

I'll become an anti-EA Jack Thompson before I let that happen.

[WhatsHisFace]

Once I get Photoshop back on this rig "I'll be in school tomorrow" I am SO making System Shock 3 spoof pictures just to crush your spirit.

[GFreeman]

Shenmue III will never happen, Deus Ex 3 will probably be ruined worse than Invisible War, and there's no way that the same Rare that made PDZ is going to get Banjo Threeie right. Preemptive strike *****!

[WhatsHisFace]

That does it.

On February 16th, 2008, your ugly pet dog is going to bring home some "friends" who will **** everywhere.

WhatsHisFace has spoken.

[Venom Jr.]

That does it.

On February 16th, 2008, your ugly pet dog is going to bring home some "friends" who will **** everywhere.

WhatsHisFace has spoken.
I realy don't want to know what the "****" stood for....:csad: