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Jochimus

12-10-2006, 12:39 PM

LOL like they just roll over and die just because their enemies were humanoid

The Autobots would never willingly fight humans, even superpowered ones - in most continuities they're usually under orders from Optimus to protect them at all costs. If the Autobots did start exchanging fire with superhumans, Jazz would have iced Circuit Breaker upon her first appearance in the Marvel U.S. comics; just based on their size and firepower, the Autobots could kill a third of the Marvel Universe if it came down to it (let alone what the Decepticons would be capable of).

That's not to say the Autobots would never attempt to reason with any superhumans that crossed their paths, but then knowing the Avengers as they are even pre-Civil War, it's not like anyone but Cap would be willing to listen until major damage was already done to the Autobots. B'sides, the government would have a say in what happens to the Autobots too since they monitor the Avengers' activities; remember what happened when Vision went all wacky back in the '80s. I won't even bring up what happened to Bumblebee in that horrid excuse for a G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover that Marvel published...

walternewell

12-12-2006, 11:23 AM

The Autobots would never willingly fight humans, even superpowered ones - in most continuities they're usually under orders from Optimus to protect them at all costs. If the Autobots did start exchanging fire with superhumans, Jazz would have iced Circuit Breaker upon her first appearance in the Marvel U.S. comics; just based on their size and firepower, the Autobots could kill a third of the Marvel Universe if it came down to it (let alone what the Decepticons would be capable of).

That's not to say the Autobots would never attempt to reason with any superhumans that crossed their paths, but then knowing the Avengers as they are even pre-Civil War, it's not like anyone but Cap would be willing to listen until major damage was already done to the Autobots. B'sides, the government would have a say in what happens to the Autobots too since they monitor the Avengers' activities; remember what happened when Vision went all wacky back in the '80s. I won't even bring up what happened to Bumblebee in that horrid excuse for a G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover that Marvel published...

I'm not saying that the Autobots would willingly fight humans, Jochimus. I was kind of thinking of a situation in the style of Marvel vs. DC, or JLA/Avengers, where they would be forced to fight one another for the sake of protecting each other's respective universes. Of course, I could also see a scenario where Captain America and Optimus Prime, knowing that their teams were being forced to fight, decided to back out of the main conflict itself, letting the Avengers and Autobots duke it out while they would try to find some real answers regarding the conflict, and what's really at stake.

nosebleed.

12-15-2006, 08:08 AM

Forget all the Autobots wouldn't fight humans crap...who would win if there was an all out battle? I don't know enough about the Avengers to really say anything so call me biased.

walternewell

12-15-2006, 10:15 AM

In that case, nosebleed, you may want to check out these sites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_%28comics%29
http://www.avengersassemble.us/
http://www.avengersforever.org/

These should give you all the info you need.

November Rain

12-15-2006, 10:17 AM

thor could take the whole lineup on his own

nosebleed.

12-17-2006, 07:06 PM

lol...thanks walt...but I'm not really too interested in prepping a research paper on The Avengers. I mean, I used to collect the comics when I was a kid and I read Thor avidly when Sal Buscema was the artist (late 80s).

As for the Thor comment...it really depends on which Thor. I don't think the normal Thor could take them ALL out.

walternewell

12-19-2006, 09:36 AM

Anytime, nosebleed. 'Sides, I was just wondering what a conflict between the Avengers and the Autobots would look like. As for the links, well...I'm just a firm believer in being prepared.

nosebleed.

12-19-2006, 10:24 AM

As for the links, well...I'm just a firm believer in being prepared.

Me too...I push wikipedia upon anyone who asks me a question about something that they can look up themselves. I guess I should start taking my own advice. :oldrazz:

1987olds442

12-19-2006, 10:12 PM

It really depends on how many Autobots they would be fighting just counting the G1 toys as characters (Hundreds) and they all go after the Avengers..... The Avengers would be doomed... Metroplex and Fortress Maximus could crush cities by just walking...

On a side note this is a rumored future Crossover as well with the Justice League.

1987olds442

12-19-2006, 10:33 PM

From www.tformers.com

http://tformers.com/The-Avengers-Transformers-Comic-Rumored/6885/news.html

According to CNI, Silver Bullet Comics has posted a rumor about a Transformers/Avengers crossover next summer. Similar to a rumor about a JLA/Transformers crossover. That rumor was debunked at Botcon this past fall. To try and find out more, CNI has inquired with IDW and Marvel who publish the respectvie titles to find any truth to the rumor. Neither side was willing to confirm nor deny the rumor at this time. Check out the complete update at ComicNewsI.com (http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=208&itemid=9190).

nosebleed.

12-19-2006, 11:49 PM

I'd be much more interested in a Transformers vs Robotech type deal. Sentient robots vs human controlled robots.

1987olds442

12-20-2006, 10:28 AM

I'd be much more interested in a Transformers vs Robotech type deal. Sentient robots vs human controlled robots.Now we are talking :up:

sto_vo_kor_2000

12-20-2006, 10:32 PM

The Autobots would never willingly fight humans, even superpowered ones - in most continuities they're usually under orders from Optimus to protect them at all costs. If the Autobots did start exchanging fire with superhumans, Jazz would have iced Circuit Breaker upon her first appearance in the Marvel U.S. comics; just based on their size and firepower, the Autobots could kill a third of the Marvel Universe if it came down to it (let alone what the Decepticons would be capable of).

That's not to say the Autobots would never attempt to reason with any superhumans that crossed their paths, but then knowing the Avengers as they are even pre-Civil War, it's not like anyone but Cap would be willing to listen until major damage was already done to the Autobots. B'sides, the government would have a say in what happens to the Autobots too since they monitor the Avengers' activities; remember what happened when Vision went all wacky back in the '80s. I won't even bring up what happened to Bumblebee in that horrid excuse for a G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover that Marvel published...

The autobots did in fact willingly fight humans...well human like aliens.The head and target master partners of the deceptions were very much like humans from the planet nebulon.

Jochimus

12-21-2006, 08:45 AM

The autobots did in fact willingly fight humans...well human like aliens.The head and target master partners of the deceptions were very much like humans from the planet nebulon.

I highly doubt they were aiming for the Nebulons, though. The only instance I ever recall a Nebulon dying was in the Marvel comic, and then as an act of sacrifice (Galen, the original partner to Cerebros/Fortress Maximus before Spike took over).

sto_vo_kor_2000

12-21-2006, 11:06 AM

I highly doubt they were aiming for the Nebulons, though. The only instance I ever recall a Nebulon dying was in the Marvel comic, and then as an act of sacrifice (Galen, the original partner to Cerebros/Fortress Maximus before Spike took over).

There were other Nebulons that died but they were killed in battle with Unicron [Brainstorm was squash]as for aiming at the Neb's I could not find any exsample's to prove you wrong yet but I will keep looking.

1987olds442

12-21-2006, 12:14 PM

I highly doubt they were aiming for the Nebulons, though. The only instance I ever recall a Nebulon dying was in the Marvel comic, and then as an act of sacrifice (Galen, the original partner to Cerebros/Fortress Maximus before Spike took over).Of course if this happens now it will be more than like the be the Transformers from the IDW universe and the Autobots are more hardcore now. And if this were Avengers vs. Decepticons then we wouldn't even be questioning this they killed all the time. Hell I believe Fangry even killed his partner/Head. I never understood why Heores would fight Heroes.

Clecks

12-22-2006, 06:41 AM

With the hulk in the avengers he would take all of them out with a massive hand slap! simple really

lilboo

12-22-2006, 03:12 PM

It also depends on which line-up of avengers, for example the new avengers would get creamed

1987olds442

12-23-2006, 12:49 PM

With the hulk in the avengers he would take all of them out with a massive hand slap! simple reallySo how can a sonic boom hurt a Transformer? Especially one like Metroplex who is a City... :oldrazz: Oh yeah it's called the ThunderClap...

LEDZEPPELIN

12-23-2006, 04:15 PM

Don't underestimate The Transformers. Optimus Prime alone has firepower to level a whole city. And not that The AVengers are slouches at teamwork, but the Autobots are have great teamwork dynamics too.

1987olds442

12-23-2006, 11:34 PM

Strong Guy

12-25-2006, 07:45 AM

Transformers can always repair themselves quickly if they're damaged or anything.Avengers?I doubt they'll have time to recuperate.

Clecks

12-26-2006, 03:06 AM

So how can a sonic boom hurt a Transformer? Especially one like Metroplex who is a City... :oldrazz: Oh yeah it's called the ThunderClap...

I was being sarcastic there mind! What i was saying was the savage hulk has the raw potential to lift up a mountain sorry but i dont think even metroplex could do that. So could you imagine what he could do to a robot.

sto_vo_kor_2000

12-26-2006, 03:17 AM

I was being sarcastic there mind! What i was saying was the savage hulk has the raw potential to lift up a mountain sorry but i dont think even metroplex could do that. So could you imagine what he could do to a robot.

If you look at Metroplex's bio it states that:While some Transformers can crack a mountainside this subject can easily lift one.I have no coment on Hulk vrs Transformers at this time.

Strong Guy

12-26-2006, 10:59 AM

That's another what if?

1987olds442

12-26-2006, 09:50 PM

I was being sarcastic there mind! What i was saying was the savage hulk has the raw potential to lift up a mountain sorry but i dont think even metroplex could do that. So could you imagine what he could do to a robot.Seeing how the Hulk is my favorite marvel character of all time, and I have been reading and collecting Hulk comics since issue 380 vol. 2 so I think I know something about him. And I think you need to look the term sarcasm if you think you were using it correctly :oldrazz: So you do know that Metroplex is actually bigger then a Mountain don't you? Also a lot of the Transformers are in the 50-100 ton range. The mini-bot Brawn is in the 95 ton range alone, and Omega Supreme is in the 300,000 tons weight class. But this isn't anything to get worked up over it's all just fiction.

Startlingly versatile, staggeringly strong, the Autobot's last line of defense... a mighty insturment of titanic destructive force. Extremely modest about his achievements... berates himself for not doing more. In robot mode, he can lift 70,000 tons, has shoulder-mounted twin high-energy maser cannons and omni-directional receiving and transmitting antenna. In city mode, has helipad and fully equipped repair bays that can handle four vehicles at once. Left rear tower transforms into tank, Slammer, who has rocket-propelled mortar cannon. Scamper is sports car with side mounted electro-blasters; transforms into robot, uses high-energy particle beam pistol. Six-Gun is small robot, has ion-pulse rifles for arms, twin surface-to-air guided missile launchers on back, acetylene pistol. In battle station mode, uses all these weapons and twin disrupter rays, laser lances, powerful anti-matter projectors.

Clecks

12-27-2006, 02:43 AM

Seeing how the Hulk is my favorite marvel character of all time, and I have been reading and collecting Hulk comics since issue 380 vol. 2 so I think I know something about him. And I think you need to look the term sarcasm if you think you were using it correctly :oldrazz: So you do know that Metroplex is actually bigger then a Mountain don't you? Also a lot of the Transformers are in the 50-100 ton range. The mini-bot Brawn is in the 95 ton range alone, and Omega Supreme is in the 300,000 tons weight class. But this isn't anything to get worked up over it's all just fiction.

I retract my statement!

Strong Guy

12-27-2006, 04:44 AM

You guys sure did your homework.

Arcturus

12-30-2006, 09:07 PM

the autobots win.

CaptainStacy

01-02-2007, 11:10 AM

just based on their size and firepower, the Autobots could kill a third of the Marvel Universe if it came down to it (let alone what the Decepticons would be capable of).

Doubtful. Thor, Iron Man, Panther, Captain America, and Firestar alone defeated an entire army of hundreds of Ultrons, and kicked their asses. And Ultron is every bit as ruthless as any Decepticon, if not more so.

And really; have the Sentinel robots ever had any real success against the X-Men? (No, they havent). Magneto or Polaris would crush any and all Transformers in a heartbeat.

Jochimus

01-02-2007, 06:58 PM

Doubtful. Thor, Iron Man, Panther, Captain America, and Firestar alone defeated an entire army of hundreds of Ultrons, and kicked their asses. And Ultron is every bit as ruthless as any Decepticon, if not more so.

And really; have the Sentinel robots ever had any real success against the X-Men? (No, they havent). Magneto or Polaris would crush any and all Transformers in a heartbeat.

...I didn't say WHICH third. Hence my earlier post:

I'm gonna have to say the Avengers. 'Specially if it's any roster with the Big Three in there - between the two of them, Thor and Iron Man would have fun sizzling circuits. The Autobots wouldn't be able to do dip since they won't harm humans or humanoid life forms.

IMO it's not a question of firepower.

sto_vo_kor_2000

01-02-2007, 07:44 PM

Doubtful. Thor, Iron Man, Panther, Captain America, and Firestar alone defeated an entire army of hundreds of Ultrons, and kicked their asses. And Ultron is every bit as ruthless as any Decepticon, if not more so.

And really; have the Sentinel robots ever had any real success against the X-Men? (No, they havent). Magneto or Polaris would crush any and all Transformers in a heartbeat.

First of all that army of Ultrons were drone units being controled by the main Ultron.If all the Ultrons were free minded like The Transformers the fight might not have gone the same way for the Avengers.
The same goes for the Sentinels.Their not lining robots.Being a living robots change's a few things IMO.
I think it comes down to one thing...and that would be the avengers line-up in this so-call fight.

1987olds442

01-03-2007, 11:16 AM

And really; have the Sentinel robots ever had any real success against the X-Men? (No, they havent).You honestly can't be comparing the Transformers to the Sentinels... the Transformers are so past them in Technology and power it isn't even funny. Most people just seem to think that the Transformers are just robots they are not... The Transformers are living sentient beings not just robots.

Magneto or Polaris would crush any and all Transformers in a heartbeat.
Aren't those two powerless right now :oldrazz:
Even in their prime I really doubt that they could really affect Unicron.

Also I would bet that the Transformers would have defenses against Magnetism.

And if it were the Decepticons they were fighting do thing they would fight fair? ... No ... They would just decimate the planet from orbit like they did in the G2 Comic with the Warworld ship Destroying entire cities in a single blast.

CaptainStacy

01-03-2007, 04:02 PM

First of all that army of Ultrons were drone units being controled by the main Ultron.If all the Ultrons were free minded like The Transformers the fight might not have gone the same way for the Avengers.
The same goes for the Sentinels.Their not lining robots.Being a living robots change's a few things IMO.
I think it comes down to one thing...and that would be the avengers line-up in this so-call fight.

So? They were programmed to kill, and they failed. Just like the Transformers would. Hell, Iron Man himself would probably override all the Transformers systems in 5 seconds and completely shut them down. Game over.

CaptainStacy

01-03-2007, 04:05 PM

You honestly can't be comparing the Transformers to the Sentinels... the Transformers are so past them in Technology and power it isn't even funny. Most people just seem to think that the Transformers are just robots they are not... The Transformers are living sentient beings not just robots.

Aren't those two powerless right now :oldrazz:
Even in their prime I really doubt that they could really affect Unicron.

Also I would bet that the Transformers would have defenses against Magnetism.

And if it were the Decepticons they were fighting do thing they would fight fair? ... No ... They would just decimate the planet from orbit like they did in the G2 Comic with the Warworld ship Destroying entire cities in a single blast.

Yes because God KNOWS the Avengers and FF have NEVER succesfully defended Earth from threats from outer space. :whatever:

And give me an example of the Transformers having a "defense" against Magnetism. They're metal. And thus Magneto or Polaris would own them in a nanosecond.

sto_vo_kor_2000

01-03-2007, 05:17 PM

So? They were programmed to kill, and they failed. Just like the Transformers would. Hell, Iron Man himself would probably override all the Transformers systems in 5 seconds and completely shut them down. Game over.

Even if what you say Ironman might do would work it would only work a few times.Transformer technology is 4 million years more advanced then Stark technologymuch like the Borg[Star Trek]The Transformers would adapet.The way I see it Iron man would not do all that much damage at all technology wise.I see him hurting Transformers more on a physical level.I think the Avengers only chance is to have their Big Guns in the fight.Maby even bring in some outside help as you said Magneto & Polaris should do.Then again we are talking about living metal who knows if Magneto or Polaris has any effect on their alien bodys.

CaptainStacy

01-03-2007, 05:49 PM

Even if what you say Ironman might do would work it would only work a few times.Transformer technology is 4 million years more advanced then Stark technologymuch like the Borg[Star Trek]The Transformers would adapet.The way I see it Iron man would not do all that much damage at all technology wise.I see him hurting Transformers more on a physical level.I think the Avengers only chance is to have their Big Guns in the fight.Maby even bring in some outside help as you said Magneto & Polaris should do.Then again we are talking about living metal who knows if Magneto or Polaris has any effect on their alien bodys.

Iron Man has figured out Skrull and Kree technology that is also millions of years more advanced...Reed Richards has as well.

And if it has the tiniest hint of metal in it, Magneto can effect it. He can he effect the iron in a person's blood.

1987olds442

01-03-2007, 06:01 PM

double post...

sto_vo_kor_2000

01-03-2007, 06:18 PM

Iron Man has figured out Skrull and Kree technology that is also millions of years more advanced...Reed Richards has as well.

And if it has the tiniest hint of metal in it, Magneto can effect it. He can he effect the iron in a person's blood.

I must confess that I didnt remember that Stark and Reed have worked with Skrull/Kree technology...but Transformer technology is a living technolog and I beliave that they would work out a defence for anything Iron man could throw at them.And Magneto could not effect a larg group of Transformers all at once.I think the Avengers might be able to win but it depends on witch members were on the team at the time and they would need outside help.

1987olds442

01-03-2007, 06:21 PM

Yes because God KNOWS the Avengers and FF have NEVER succesfully defended Earth from threats from outer space. :whatever: You seem to have an extreme bias towards the Avengers and think they would easy win. If this was an all out battle both sides would have heavy casualties.
And give me an example of the Transformers having a "defense" against Magnetism. They're metal. And thus Magneto or Polaris would own them in a nanosecond.Well the big Planet one I mentioned Unicron depending on which continuity is on the same level of power as Galactus so you can be pretty sure Magneto and Polaris are a joke to him.

Plus there a lot of regular transformers that powers as well. Heck Windcharger even has Magnetic powers and can generate his own Magnetic fields. Trailbreaker can generate nearly impenetrable invisible force-fields.

In the new IDW books cybertron is a waste land so they have to use internal damping fields to protect themselves against cosmic radiation and magnetic disruptions.

And you need to remember too not all metal is affected buy Magnetic forces. So are there non Magnetic metals on Cybertron?