SuperMan Sequel: Major Twists-Shocking Truth about Jason

[Bug-Eyes]

If I was to write the sequel to Superman Returns it would consist of the following plot and sub-plot points.

1. I would follow a clear path of developing a father/son relationship with Jason and Superman. For the first half hour, a strong connection, a real bond. I would want the audience to emotional invested in this developing father/son relationship. Then for the Shock/Twist. Jason is not Supermans son. He was the result of Kryptonian technology, impregnating Lois. The specifics depend on which previous version of superman 2 or 1 we follow. If we look at superman 2, Clark gave up his powers before he slept with lois, so any offspring would only have been human. (although he reversed time in the donner cut and none of that took place, forgeting that for a moment).


Perhaps when he gave up his powers. The fortress, decided to act, preserving the Kryptonian legacy, perhaps it was a fail safe, to ensure that there is always somebody from Krypton alive, Perhaps the fail safe program was the Brainiac code/ or Eradicator Program. So at this point you say "what the....., jason=brainaic, no. Jason is the incubator that grows and allows the energy force of Brainiac to develop.

So at this point Jason becomes ill, Superman learns he is not really his son, and that there is nothing he can do for him. As soon as the Brainiac life form emerges jason will die. Superman risks his life and ventures to new krypton (to recover his crystals) only to discover their is nothing he can do. (Hints of future sequel villians from New Krypton)

Again that ill fated decision of Superman to become human impacts him and the world..............So begins the real action of Superman returns sequel. Superman verse Braniac or other.

2. This will clear up somethings of importance, Superman should not have any offspring. He should remain the last of his kind. This alienation (no pun intended) helps define him.

[Hades]

Pretty cool idea.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

just make jason the Eradicator.

[Bug-Eyes]

I thought that.

3. Jason could become ill and begin to age rapidly, Superman takes him to New Krypton to save him, it heals him and transforms him into the Eradicator. Jason was Never Superman's son. I perfer that Superman fights another being, not an older Jason. Jason should remain a child. Helps develop an emotional content to the film.

[Showtime]

Not a bad idea, but it's not what I would want to see. I like the idea that Jason is being chased down by The Eradicator because he is not a pure blood Kryptonian, and Superman has to make the decision to remove Jason's powers using the chamber from Superman 2 in order to save him. In this sequence you could still use Brainiac teaming with Lex as the main villian but have a side arc with the Eradicator.

*By the way, the chamber thing was not my idea and the Eradicator idea was brought on by somebody else but I expanded on it and linked the two.

[Lightning54SC]

what would he look like the eradicator that is ?

[Showtime]

what would he look like the eradicator that is ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/EradicatorSSF.jpg

[Bug-Eyes]

I still think, SUPERMAN CAN NOT HAVE A SON.....A clone yes, a Son no. He should be the last of his kind.......It is something not right of him having a child it takes away his mystical side......not sure if it make sense to me it does

[Lightning54SC]

i dont like it either.... let jason give up his powers

[Showtime]

That's what I am hoping for in the sequel via The Chamber at the FOS. It all makes sense and I thank DogOfKrypton for bringing it to my attention.

[Bug-Eyes]

I can't agree. Superman cant have a biological son, full stop. Its just not right. Even if jason gives up his powers. Superman should not have an offspring

[Dope Nose]

you might want to change the thread title.

[gimmen64]

I think that Superman should loose his powers and Jason sacrfices himself so Superman can regain his powers, like the Eradicator did in the comics. This would put an end to Jason in an honorable fashion.

[ThanosOfTitans]

you guys have a lot of good ideas that I would like to see. but we both know the current talent behind the sequel doesn't have the creativity or knowledge of the character history to pull any of the ideas off. i mean..bot to start bashing...but he had almost unlimited resources and the best we got was SR.

lacked creativity
lacked dedication to a vision
lacked action
lacked depth
lacked character development
lacked continuity from the foundation upon which it was built


I wanna give Singer the benefit of the doubt....but he always sounds pretty damn adamant about pursuing this Jason crusade.

[bud7486]

Thats definitly a twist, but thats to complicated for the general audience.

[BobJM]

What if in a later sequel, S3 perhaps, Jason is actually somehow tied to Cadmus, ala Terry in Batman Beyond.

SR2: Brainiac
SR3: Metallo or Bizarro & Cadmus

Introduce Amanda Waller and have Lex use his millions to back up Project Cadmus financially, although he doesn't know Waller's true intentions. Waller, realizing that Lois is close to Superman, had a sample of Superman's Kryptonian DNA injected into Lois during her pregnancy, thus altering Richard and her child's DNA matrix.

Superman has to fight off either Bizarro or Metallo or both while trying to discover the secret about Project Cadmus.

It could come off a bit too dark for a Superman film, but it would make a great film.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

What if in a later sequel, S3 perhaps, Jason is actually somehow tied to Cadmus, ala Terry in Batman Beyond.

SR2: Brainiac
SR3: Metallo or Bizarro & Cadmus

Introduce Amanda Waller and have Lex use his millions to back up Project Cadmus financially, although he doesn't know Waller's true intentions. Waller, realizing that Lois is close to Superman, had a sample of Superman's Kryptonian DNA injected into Lois during her pregnancy, thus altering Richard and her child's DNA matrix.

Superman has to fight off either Bizarro or Metallo or both while trying to discover the secret about Project Cadmus.

It could come off a bit too dark for a Superman film, but it would make a great film.ok replace superman with batman and you have the epologe episode of JLU right there.

[BobJM]

Obviously, it wouldn't follow the Epilogue storyline completely, but use it as inspiration. Either way, I'd love to see Amanda Waller introduced into any DC film.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Obviously, it wouldn't follow the Epilogue storyline completely, but use it as inspiration. Either way, I'd love to see Amanda Waller introduced into any DC film.why not have lex out the kid to the government for new krypton. that would make a kick ass movie right there.

[daywalker2007]

the only way to solve this is for Jason to be killed off

simple as that

and making it short and sweet,

have the opening 20 minutes about brainiac arriving on the ship back to earth, and then gaining life by taking away Jason's kryptonian heritage, thus killing him in the process and then having Braniac killing Richard also later on,

then we can begin 1 and a half hours of action filled fighting between superman and brainiac

i wanna see fist fighting, superman having a real fight like a man!

This is nothing wrong with killing characters off,
it has to be done , and especially in this sequel

kill em off, and bring us the sci fi action that superman deserves

I also want to see more imagery of space and supermans kryptonian heritage,

This should be a proper Sci Fi action movie ala Star Trek Wrath of Kahn
or the Undiscovered Country

[daywalker2007]

superman is an alien, so we demand sci fi action,

i dont want to see namby pamby action like spiderman and fantastic four,

i want to see real alien action from Brainiac and some state of the art visuals of space and krypton.

I dont mind it being dark and dont mind superman's red being dark,

just give me the goddamn sci fi action.

This sort of movie would be tailor made for James Cameron.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

This should be a proper Sci Fi action movie ala Star Trek Wrath of Kahn
or the Undiscovered Countryso superman and the villian never meet and then the bad guy dies?

[dpm07]

This is a very goofy and deceiving thread title. You should change it.

What you say are NOT Major twists to a Superman sequel. Just you own personal ideas which will likely not be implemented. Not a knock on you, but they most likely won't be implemented since you are not under contract to write a storyline for the sequel.

[Garzo]

Aside from the fact that Superman Returns is not a direct sequel to the previous films, but just a "vague" one (Singer has said the story ignores the whole "mylar bed" scene from Superman II), what happened in Superman II was not that Superman became human. He flashed himself with red sun radiation, leaving him in the same state Kryptonians were in while on Krypton. Kal-el is Kryptonian, he cannot become human (forget what you've learned on Smallville). The red sun radiation does the opposite of what Earth's yellow sun does, namely give him super powers. It's logical to assume that the red sun treatment would even wear off after a while, although this has yet to be explored. Even if Jason was conceived while Superman was under the red sun radiation, it does not necessarily follow that Jason would also be powerless, especially if he were to get enough of Earth's yellow sunlight. After all, Superman himself was born on Krypton under a red sun.

[Metropolis_Man]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/EradicatorSSF.jpg

If the eradicator ever makes it to film, this is the rendition I'd like to see. Great find. I love that look.

[Showtime]

If the eradicator ever makes it to film, this is the rendition I'd like to see. Great find. I love that look.

Glad you're with me, because if you're not, you're against me. :dry:

[storm-x-fan]

If I was to write the sequel to Superman Returns it would consist of the following plot and sub-plot points.

1. I would follow a clear path of developing a father/son relationship with Jason and Superman. For the first half hour, a strong connection, a real bond. I would want the audience to emotional invested in this developing father/son relationship. Then for the Shock/Twist. Jason is not Supermans son. He was the result of Kryptonian technology, impregnating Lois. The specifics depend on which previous version of superman 2 or 1 we follow. If we look at superman 2, Clark gave up his powers before he slept with lois, so any offspring would only have been human. (although he reversed time in the donner cut and none of that took place, forgeting that for a moment).


Perhaps when he gave up his powers. The fortress, decided to act, preserving the Kryptonian legacy, perhaps it was a fail safe, to ensure that there is always somebody from Krypton alive, Perhaps the fail safe program was the Brainiac code/ or Eradicator Program. So at this point you say "what the....., jason=brainaic, no. Jason is the incubator that grows and allows the energy force of Brainiac to develop.

So at this point Jason becomes ill, Superman learns he is not really his son, and that there is nothing he can do for him. As soon as the Brainiac life form emerges jason will die. Superman risks his life and ventures to new krypton (to recover his crystals) only to discover their is nothing he can do. (Hints of future sequel villians from New Krypton)

Again that ill fated decision of Superman to become human impacts him and the world..............So begins the real action of Superman returns sequel. Superman verse Braniac or other.

2. This will clear up somethings of importance, Superman should not have any offspring. He should remain the last of his kind. This alienation (no pun intended) helps define him.

great idea!! i speacially like the twist with Jason. :hyper:

[ariellem]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/EradicatorSSF.jpg

What does the writing down his costume spell? "Eradicator"? "This Side Up"? "Open here"?

[project13]

just make jason the Eradicator.


No way, man! Make Jason the biological son of Lex Luthor (with some of Superman's DNA).

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

No way, man! Make Jason the biological son of Lex Luthor (with some of Superman's DNA).
so make him conner kent superboy?

[wellsy]

Seriously, pretty much every idea in this thread has been posted before. In your desperation to kill Jason, you've failed to look at other alternatives. For example, why not have Superman lose against Brainiac (hes a computer after all), and Jason goes into hiding. You get your sci fi action, theres strong character development, etc.

I'm all for Jason in the sequels (he wasn't just introduced to cause controversy, you know).

And while we're talking about MoS, where is lexlives? Has he been banned?

The boards are so boring without him.

[Jochimus]

There is a way to get Jason out of the picture WITHOUT taking the predictable paths of killing him off or turning him into a villain or pulling some kind of 'cheat' plot device in which Jason is 'suddenly' not Superman's kid after all:

Have Lex inadvertently create red Kryptonite after lifting Superman's blood off the kryptonite stilletto chunks the medics pulled out of him in SR; he plans to clone Superman, but the DNA sequence is corrupted, so Lex abducts Jason to draw his blood to create patches - in doing so, Jason's exposure to red kryptonite has an adverse effect on his physiognomy, causing him to age at least two or three years a day. He become bait for a trap for Superman, who flies in to the rescue, as does Richard, separately; Richard is killed in the attempt, causing the public to lose faith in Superman and Lex to pass himself off as a hero with his own Super-clone. Superman decides to find a way to beat 'Bizarro' without his powers, but he's stopped by three mysterious super-powered individuals who at first come off as being homages to Zod & Co., but who turn out to be peacekeepers from the 30th century. (S:TAS, "New Kids In Town) They warn him that if he tries to fight Bizarro, he'll be killed, thus jeopardizing the course of future history and the lives of untold millions. Realizing he's going to do this no matter what, they give Superman a power ring with which he can take Bizarro hand-to-hand, but Bizarro has grown more powerful by the day - the result of his adrenaline overloading his solar-battery biochemistry - critically injures one of the 'visitors' and yanks the ring right off Superman's finger in the climax, ready to crush him till Jason flies in and sends Bizarro - who's gone critical - into the clouds where Bizarro explodes; the shockwave hits now-30-year-old Jason, carrying antibodies created from Bizarro's supercharged remains into his system, restoring his aging process to normal rate (Byrne's MOS). Realizing that he can no more fit in in the world now than he did when was a five-year-old asthmatic - and that with one of the 'visitors' down the group's going to need an extra hand - Jason takes his father's power ring, says an emotional goodbye to his mother, and takes off for the 30th century with the others. (Superboy & The Legion Of Superheroes) ;)

Of course, this would require Routh to play FOUR roles, but if they could get him to stop impersonating Reeve and do his own thing (as in the screen test with Clark and Lois), you win half the battle right there.

[wellsy]

Thats actually a fair bit better than the generally vague "Lets kill him!"

A good idea.

Even if it never happens.

[Damien Rage]

Bug-Eyes

In regards to your ideas in the first post of this thread...I think it's brilliant! Very creative, new, fresh...original...yet drawing somewhat from the comics we all know and love.

Sorry to say but it seems that Hollywood is just not capable of coming up with anything new (imo).
While it's great to see more and more comics coming to the big screen...do we really need everything from the 60's & 70's there too? (Underdog, Get Smart, Bewitched...)
The Bionic Woman & Sarah Conner Chronicles are being made into tv series, updated verions of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Rob Zombies doing Holloween...Yes these are all great/will all be cool to see...but seriously...I want to see something ORIGINAL!!!

I thank you Bug-Eyes for sharing your ideas.

::edit - Yeah super-kid was something new...but not cool, therefore he needs to go away and I like Bug-Eyes concept::

[Lightning54SC]

So at this point Jason becomes ill, Superman learns he is not really his son, and that there is nothing he can do for him. As soon as the Brainiac life form emerges jason will die. Superman risks his life and ventures to new krypton (to recover his crystals) only to discover their is nothing he can do. (Hints of future sequel villians from New Krypton)

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how about at this point when on NK he fights a somewhat creature like doomsday that was created and spawned from NK, just because the technology made land it sure has minerals to make life.... think bout... basically somehting to to make his journey there a little more hard on him, maybe the blood of the 3 dead henchmen, crystals, minerals, and H20 made this creature... remember you need some form of H20 to create anything

[SFII]

what about a scenario involving Superman on the verge of being killed by the hands of some Super-villain, but at the last second Jason sacrifices his own life to save his father, and thus saving man-kind from the clutches of evil.

this might cause an uproar in the community tho, because kids then might think they should sacrifice their lives to help their parents or something.

[Nave 'Torment']

I believe that the alienation is still left intact - Superman is not the father, Richard White is. I like your idea about SII playing such a big role in the backstory for SR2, it only makes sense, but I am not up for letting go of the kid completely, or turning him into Eradiator/Brainiac - those characters have their own strong places on their own. I was hoping for Richard White to turn into Metallo once but am now against that idea. Jason should be Jason - that boy from the end of WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW - he's the future saviour of Earth (pressure!), so Kal-El can now focus on New Krypton.

Brainiac should be attracted to 'collecting' Jason in a sequel which explores the Bottled City of Kandor.