Silver Surfer: The Eyes

[Advanced Dark]

Do prefer the pic with the pupils (first released) or without (official site)?

No pupils:


http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8817/179kx9.jpg
Or Pupils vvv
http://www.comingsoon.net/images/silversurferbig.jpg

[lordofthenerds]

Have to say that I like him without pupils more. Hopefully Story will tell us what the deal is.

[Excel]

theres a dif?

[Advanced Dark]

I honestly don't care. I guess when the trailer comes out online we can take a look at the stills to see what they went with...of course it could still be changed. I really liked both pics.

Edit: They eyelashes are gone on the "official site" pic too.

[Fantastic-Boy]

I don't care too!

[Advanced Dark]

I'm curious so I sent a message to Doug Jones and Tim Story and I'll also ask Doug on the 28th at the ArcLight. I'm pretty sure the effects are not even close to being done so it could go either way.

[TheShadowCat]

Do we have the option of "I couldn't care less"? I think SS looks incredible with or without the pupils.

AD, you're more likely to get an answer on the 28th than you will by email right now. Dougie just got home on Monday and is probably still winding down from the shoot plus with Christmas in a few days, he's probably really busy with that. From what I understand, he also has the Hellboy 2 script to go through as well. Have fun on the 28th and you better bring some Kleenex with you.

>^^<

[Caliber]

Looks like Sliver Surfer to me either way.

[Nokio]

Doesn't matter to me, but I would go with the non pupil, but the eyes makes him appear more human. Either way is fine.

[LadyVader]

With pupils I say. Better/more realistic expressions. But he definetely does not need eyelashes. :)

[Mr. Credible]

i think it'd be hard to do him without pupils... it looks a little cooler, sure, but it'd be weird to see him interact with stuff/people. he'd look blind, i would think.

either way, he looks great.

[Psionic Force]

I prefer him with... you can get more emotion from them.

[Advanced Dark]

Look at the 2nd pic above. Those eyes look damn real. I'll betcha those are really Doug's eyes.

[LEX]

I liked the one with him sans pupils better, but now that I see him with pupils up close, I couldn't care less if they go with it. Either way is fine with me, as long as he still has his shiny surfboard and silver look.

[Sarg92]

The image with no pupils is much more closer to how he looks in the comics.

With pupils, he looks too human.

Eyes show emotion but Galactus took all emotion out of the Silver Surfer so with no pupils, you get no emotion.

[TheShadowCat]

Look at the 2nd pic above. Those eyes look damn real. I'll betcha those are really Doug's eyes.

The color is about right so it could be.

>^^<

[Sentinel X]

i like the pupils.Even though pupils are usually an human feature...they look very cold and inhuman on him.

[Omega214]

Though isnt this silver surfer meant to be a human trapped in the silver coating?

i like the pupils, they look emotionally and graphically amazing

[liesse00]

I like the pupils

[Atomicchuck3k]

Without, it gives the surfer a more alien feel and makes him look more bad ass. You get emotions from the brow not the pupils. Besides, pupils make him seem to be from earth.

[Mr. Marko]

I like the pupils, it gives him more mood. It seems like this movie could improve on the last one! YES! Havn't seen much about Doom though.

[Willie Lumpkin]

No question, the one without pupils is more faithful to the original design and gives him the detached, alien look that's key to his character.

I hope they at least start without the pupils and then he could gain them when he defies Galactus, or some other key point at which his character becomes more "human" (it could be cool if they tie it in to Alicia).

When we get the trailer online, we should be able to get a screen-cap when he's looking at Johnny and see what they look like there.

[Willie Lumpkin]

It looks like he has the pupils here:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k142/garyhoov/FF/SurferFace.jpg

[CConn]

The one with pupils. Honestly, I never realized how much a pupils can play in defining a face. It just makes him look alive rather than just a big silver statue.

[terry78]

People have to remember, this is live action, not a comic book. The images you see in the books, no matter how realistic they are, are still cartoons.

[TripleF]

Don't care either way. How he looks in the movie will be what is important.

[Tony Stark]

I don't mind the pupils so much, just get rid of the eyelashes.

[TheShadowCat]

I don't mind the pupils so much, just get rid of the eyelashes.

I think it would really freaky if SS had pupils but no eyelashes. But that's just me.

>^^<

[Carp Man]

Really, who cares ? As long as he has eyes. :huh:

[Underoath]

They both look good

[theShape]

I think it does matter. As someone mentioned, pupils would be best. The SS is an emotional character, and you need to be able to let his eyes burn into you so you can see what he is feeling. Plus, the detail and color of the pupils look great.

[highguard]

The pupils allow for a more menacing look, actually they along with the positioning of the eyelids and possibly lashes convey a lot of emotion.

I think the eyelids should go though as that strikes the correct balance with the comic book design that Kirby did I think.

[Thot]

I prefer SS to be without pupils/eyelashes. I agree with posters here that the pupil-less look makes him look more intimidating and alien-like. But, either way, so far he looks really good. I have high hopes for this movie!

[Keymaker]

Don't care. He looks badass anyhow :woot:

[Lightning Strykez!]

He looks sweet with or without them. Both options have pros and cons to them, but ultimately I don't see how either will really affect anything substantial.

[Screenscribe]

I think with the pupils. It would allow emotion to come through the character much more. just blank eyes would be too robotic I think

[The Ones]

I think pupils would allow emotion to be shown, but also to see where the **** he is looking.

[bdpaco]

nvr mind..

[SuperFerret]

No pupils and lashes at first, to make him that much more distant and alien. As he experiences more on Earth, and learns to feel emotions and 'become human', the pupils and lashes should appear.

[The Geek Vault]

I got an idea. but first I don't like the lashes, because in the movie he's trapped in silver. But what if when he's on earth or close to planets he has pupils but when going at top speeds and in deep space the silver shields his eyes...

[Secret_Riddle]

with pupils but i kinda dont care. by the way, i can still see doug jones in the surfer even with all the cgi:)

[Joe Rockhead]

It doesn't matter to me... he looks cool either way.

But why the problem with the pupils when it's the irises that show color?

[Darthphere]

Can I make a thread called Silver Surfer: The Nutsack?

[TheShadowCat]

No pupils and lashes at first, to make him that much more distant and alien. As he experiences more on Earth, and learns to feel emotions and 'become human', the pupils and lashes should appear.

I second that one.

>^^<

[CConn]

Can I make a thread called Silver Surfer: The Nutsack? I second that one.

>^^<

[GeoffTheArtist]

Without, he looks more menacing. With, he can be menacing but give emotion.

[The Geek Vault]

Can I make a thread called Silver Surfer: The Nutsack?Lol hahaha, funny. But you actually have a point, what are they doing for that? I think its that he's encased in silver.

[JAMAL]

Either way is fine with me, it still looks like the Siver Surfer. Which is awesome.

[Advanced Dark]

I think without the pupils might look great on paper but in moving action would he look like a manequin. The eyes have to convey emotion somehow. Pupils, glowing, etc...Gotta be something in a film.

[Advanced Dark]

Can I make a thread called Silver Surfer: The Nutsack?

yeah but you'd be the only one posting there. Da dum dum. thank you thank you. ;)

[Speedball]

I like the one with out pupils.

[Agent 194]

As I've mentioned, I very much prefer the one without pupils. And if we want to get down to it, I look a Surfer with less emotion on his face. Makes him seem more alien. More in control. More dangerous.

I still don't understand where Avi Arad is coming from saying he's a very emotional character. He didn't start out that way.

He was much more detached. And again as I've said, he was the semi-divine deity; a very strong symbol without Stan Lee's and John Buscema's retro origin of him later. Which I liked on it's own but that's not how he started out. Jack Kirby wasn't even sure if what kind of being he was but he wasn't emotional. He was much more noble.

Back to point......no pupils. Less is more.

[Advanced Dark]

I'm sure it was pretty emotional thing to have to become the surfer to save your planet and the people you love and then basically become a slave until the same exact thing happens again.

[Malus]

The phrase is "I really couldn't care less."
If you could care less, then you do indeed care to some degree.

(And I don't.)

[jrd550]

wow fans have some power! no pupils in my book...

[Advanced Dark]

Exactly however this poll is showing some parity.

[Agent 194]

I'm sure it was pretty emotional thing to have to become the surfer to save your planet and the people you love and then basically become a slave until the same exact thing happens again.

Perhaps it would be. But again, I point out that was a retro-origin they gave him after the fact. He didn't start out that way. He was an alien and Jack Kirby (who created him) wasn't even sure he had emotions. I hear Jack was'nt exactly thrilled with the direction they took with him.

His face registered much more nobility and was burdened less with the frail human emotions.

Since this as a FF movie I think it fair the character start out the way it did in the FF mag.

[Advanced Dark]

I love his face in the trailer how he is emotionless and effortlessly takes Johnny up to the top of the atmosphere to snuff him. That was awesome. Though Alicia will change him. I'm curious how he's gonna look with his mouth open. Will he have teeth and an tongue?

[Warhammer]

The first one with the pupils.

[Agent 194]

Haven't seen the trailer yet. Why don't they have that up yet?

[Advanced Dark]

It's only been on youtube as a bootleg or illegally filmed copy. They released it early for people who pay to see Night at the Museum. Smart move by Fox.

[murdock_matt]

The phrase is "I really couldn't care less."
If you could care less, then you do indeed care to some degree.




THANK YOU!!!!! That has always been a pet peeve of mine. (Kinda like when my wife says "Love is a many SPLENDID thing.")

[Advanced Dark]

Couldn't care less means exactly what it says. You cannot care less about the matter. Either way is fine.

Edit: Oh hell...typo. :)

[Malus]

I saw NATM tonight and manged to see the trailer 2 more times...

The Surfer's pupils are very noticable as he peers back at the Torch when their chase goes through the Holland tunnel. They looked (to me) like squarish white outlines in otherwise black eyes. Very creepy. Very alien.
Maybe his eyes take on a number of various appearances depending on factors like light and dark.

I think they're gonna strike a good balance. We'll see more expressive eyes in some scenes and glowing white orbs in others.
Just my guess.

[not_a_victim]

What I cant understand is this: pupils or not, he sould not have eyelashes. He has no hair anywhere else, so they need to come off.

[Advanced Dark]

^ I'm really starting to think the first pic was not finished. I think those are Doug's eyes and eyelashes but they weren't sure exactly what look they'd go for.

But yeah drop the eyelashes.

[Malus]

I agree; I hope for no lashes.

[Cinemaman]

I don't care.

[spider-neil]

better with eyes (no lashes though)

batman has eyes in the movies
hellboy has eyes in the movies

very difficult to emote if you don't have eyes.

[Advanced Dark]

The poll tightens. (that doesn't sound right) :)

[Memphis Slim]

As I've mentioned, I very much prefer the one without pupils. And if we want to get down to it, I look a Surfer with less emotion on his face. Makes him seem more alien. More in control. More dangerous.

I still don't understand where Avi Arad is coming from saying he's a very emotional character. He didn't start out that way.

He was much more detached. And again as I've said, he was the semi-divine deity; a very strong symbol without Stan Lee's and John Buscema's retro origin of him later. Which I liked on it's own but that's not how he started out. Jack Kirby wasn't even sure if what kind of being he was but he wasn't emotional. He was much more noble.

Back to point......no pupils. Less is more.


How could Arad miss that??

"Look Ma.....no pupils!!!"

http://www.toonopedia.com/surfer.jpg

[Advanced Dark]

Guys surely they've been toying with the Silver Surfer's look on film and testing different looks for months now. Don't think they've not gonna try everything to make him look the best. Things look different on screen and on paper and you don't realize it till you actually see it so if he has pupils or not...it's what they though looked the best and they're professionals who've also been doing this work for years.

Also they haven't started post production yet except the work they finished for the trailer...and even those f/x are not done. They could finish all post production and go back and make the eyes all silver relatively fast so it's no biggie.

[doomreaper X]

I could go either way: without pupils, he's emotionally distant, which is pretty cool. With them, he conveys emotion better, which is good too. I personally like him without pupils, though.:dry:

[xwolverine2]

pupils give him more soul











and better CGI

[Agent 194]

Does anyone have a link pointing the way to that Youtube bootleg? I can't seem to find it. Maybe the studio ordered it pulled.

I'd like to see it yet I don't care to see that movie just for that. I also don't care putting anymore money in Ben Stiller's pockets. Sour grapes or not (and my wife says I'm silly for thinking this) but he gets to hang out with all his childhood heroes (and they're mine too) William Shatner, Charles Napier, and whatnot and I don't feel he's that deserving of it.

But I digress,...does anyone know where the trailer is? Thanks.

[Malus]

The bootleg isn't worth it.
Just pay to see something you want to go see and note the times for NATM. Tell an usher/ticket-taker/manager/whatever that you've paid to see (whatever) but would they mind if you stepped into NATM for a moment just to see the FF2 trailer cause you's so excited for it!! :woot:
They've got your money already, and wanting to see a trailer just means they can count on getting your cash again in a few months. It also wouldn't hurt if you ask while holding a box of their obscenely-priced popcorn, since that's where they really make their money.
I guarantee: Unless you somehow happen to encounter a "soup nazi" manager or usher, they will be glad to say "sure, pal, go ahead."
Now they might think "Jeez, there goes a geek!" But who cares?

That's exactly how I saw the FF2 trailer 3 extra times already, twice whilst taking my kids to see Charlotte's Web and once Friday morning just by asking.
I wouldn't have even seen it those 2 additional times with NATM if my little boy hadn't wanted to see that movie. :yay:

Seriously. The real thing rocks. Don't waste your time with that blurry bootleg thingie.

Go. You'll be glad you did.

[Retroman]

Well as they say the eyes are the windows to your soul so in a way i can understand why they've given him pupils. No pupils at all look great in the comics but maybe on screen -in live action- they may come off as being too cold. I dunno. I'm still undecided about this since i've not been able to see the trailer in detail.

If they do show some pupils then i'd prefer no eyelashes. I mean why would SS have hair on the ends of eyes but nowhere else on his body?:p

[TheShadowCat]

Well as they say the eyes are the windows to your soul so in a way i can understand why they've given him pupils. No pupils at all look great in the comics but maybe on screen -in live action- they may come off as being too cold. I dunno. I'm still undecided about this since i've not been able to see the trailer in detail.

If they do show some pupils then i'd prefer no eyelashes. I mean why would SS have hair on the ends of eyes but nowhere else on his body?:p

***Trailer Spoilers***

I'm thinking the Silver Surfer is already pretty cold since he just dumps Johnny's body to let it fall back down to Earth thousands of feet in the air. As someone else suggested, no pupils to begin with and then give him pupils when he changes to a good guy.

>^^<

[Agent 194]

The bootleg isn't worth it.
Just pay to see something you want to go see and note the times for NATM. Tell an usher/ticket-taker/manager/whatever that you've paid to see (whatever) but would they mind if you stepped into NATM for a moment just to see the FF2 trailer cause you's so excited for it!! :woot:
They've got your money already, and wanting to see a trailer just means they can count on getting your cash again in a few months. It also wouldn't hurt if you ask while holding a box of their obscenely-priced popcorn, since that's where they really make their money.
I guarantee: Unless you somehow happen to encounter a "soup nazi" manager or usher, they will be glad to say "sure, pal, go ahead."
Now they might think "Jeez, there goes a geek!" But who cares?

That's exactly how I saw the FF2 trailer 3 extra times already, twice whilst taking my kids to see Charlotte's Web and once Friday morning just by asking.
I wouldn't have even seen it those 2 additional times with NATM if my little boy hadn't wanted to see that movie. :yay:

Seriously. The real thing rocks. Don't waste your time with that blurry bootleg thingie.



Go. You'll be glad you did.

I shall consider it. If I can get Grandma to watch the boy for a couple of hours.

[Retroman]

***Trailer Spoilers***

I'm thinking the Silver Surfer is already pretty cold since he just dumps Johnny's body to let it fall back down to Earth thousands of feet in the air. As someone else suggested, no pupils to begin with and then give him pupils when he changes to a good guy.

>^^<

That makes sense i guess.:up:

[Spade]

When I was watching the trailer, I didn't care about the pupils. I saw the Silver Surfer in action. A being who is capable of navigating his way through traffic or any other expanse he so wishes. A being who moves with the fluid grace through the air and objects alike that Olympic gold medalists would envy. A being who can fly past the mesosphere with nary a notice and extinguish the Human Torch's flames with the ease of someone picking up a cup of coffee, drinking from it and placing it back down onto its table. To be frank, I saw everything I needed to see. From a visual standpoint, Story nailed the look and demeanor in every aspect in that one sequence. The trailer for the attempt at a Silver Surfer solo film now looks like a grain of salt in comparison to what this movie is bringing to the forefront. Even a screen-to-screen comparison makes Story's Surfer look like he just stepped out of the pages from whence the concept was born. I don't care about his pupils, his likeness to the T-1000, or any other paltry gripe. If this is still an incomplete teaser I'm quite certain my brain would explode from the sheer awesomeness. Now all we need is a storyline that sounds intriguing, a Galactus made of the same faithful mold and we're all set.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Poll options edited per threadstarter's request.

[Advanced Dark]

Thanks LS.

Funny the pupils are winning out and it might just be a case on incomplete F/X that made this discussion even possible. Fox might want to think about this. LOL

[cryptic name]

he looks much better with the pupils.

[not_a_victim]

The poll tightens. (that doesn't sound right) :)
hahahahhahahah
actually, it sounds sooooo right

[GreenKToo]

with or without,doesnt matter.

[Advanced Dark]

I'm wondering now what the hell they're gonna do.

[Vartha]

I think that the FORM of the pupil and iris should be repersented, just not transpaernt like a normal eyeball.

[highguard]

I'm still undecided about this since i've not been able to see the trailer in detail.



Hmm why not its on line in high def.

[Carp Man]

Hmm why not its on line in high def.

May not be able to run the high def download. I have the 69 MB high def download. I downloaded the 170 MB file, and the audio ran fine, the video was kind of herky jerky, and would stop a lot till my system processed more info. So not everyones puter has the capibility to run, or even download ( if you are on dial-up ) the high def version.

[DeFett]

Does anyone know where I can find the SS with pupils pic that was on the first page of the thread? ...seems to have disappeared. Thanks.

[Advanced Dark]

Does anyone know where I can find the SS with pupils pic that was on the first page of the thread? ...seems to have disappeared. Thanks.

If it's a red x just right click on it and then paste the link to your browser.

Nope...it's gone. LOL Not too hard to find though as some people have it saved as their avatar and I think I have it on my myspace bulletin.