Should Guns Be Banned?

[OverMyHead]

NEW YORK -- Gangs, drugs, easy access to guns and a disturbing tendency among young people to pull guns to demand respect were among the causes authorities cited in trying to explain this year's increase in murders in New York and many other major cities after years of decline.

The number of murders reached its highest levels in a decade or more in some places, but some big cities, including Los Angeles, reported drops in the number of murders.

New York reported 579 homicides through Dec. 24 -- a nearly 10 percent increase from the year before. The spike mostly reflects an unusually large number of "reclassified homicides," or those involving victims who were shot or stabbed years ago but did not die until this year. Thirty-five such deaths have been added to this year's toll, compared with an annual average of about a dozen.

At the same time, Police Department spokesman Paul Browne noted that this year's total comes after last year's 539 homicides -- the city's lowest death toll in more than 40 years.

Browne blamed the rise in part on the availability of guns, particularly weapons from out of state. The city this year sued dozens of out-of-state gun shops that it says are responsible for many of the illegal weapons on the city's streets.

In Chicago, homicides through the first 11 months of the year were up 3.3 percent compared with the same period in 2005, reversing a four-year decline.

Houston police attribute a 15 percent increase in the homicide count to the influx of Katrina evacuees from the Gulf Coast.

"So we expect that to settle," Lt. Murray Smith said. "We're hoping it will go down."

Some cities, such as Cincinnati -- which has had 83 homicides so far, up from 79 in 2005 -- posted their highest numbers ever. Others saw their highest death tolls in years.

Oakland, Calif., had 148 homicides as of Wednesday, up 57 percent from last year. The number was the highest in more than a decade.

Philadelphia's 2006 homicide total was 403 as of Wednesday, the first time the number has topped 400 in nearly a decade. There were 380 murders in 2005.

Philadelphia officials have struggled all year to reduce the violence. In July, Mayor John F. Street gave a televised address in which he pleaded with young people: "Lay down your weapons. Do it now. Choose education over violence."

In New Haven, Conn., homicides were up this year by more than 50 percent, to 23 as of Tuesday. Police chief Francisco Ortiz said young people were too quick to use firearms.

"They're all struggling with this thing about respect and pride," he said. "It's about respect. It's about revenge. It's about having a reputation. It's about turf, and it's about girls."

Los Angeles' total was down about 4 percent to 464 homicides through Dec. 23. San Francisco's fell about 15 percent. San Francisco Police Sgt. Steve Mannina said the drop is partly due to increased patrols in violence-prone areas and the approval of more overtime.

New Orleans, with its post-Katrina exodus, is the only major U.S. city that saw a sharp decline in the number of homicides. Police spokesman Sgt. Jeffrey Johnson said there were 154 in New Orleans this year as of Monday, down from 210 in 2005. But the city was largely empty during the fall and winter of 2005-06, and even now has only about half of its pre-Katrina population of 455,000.

The FBI does not release its national crime statistics until several months after the end of the year. The bureau's statistics for the first six months of 2006 showed an increase of 1.4 percent in the number of murders in the first half of 2006 compared with the same period in 2005.

Andrew Karmen, a criminologist at John Jay College in New York, said that while there are various theories for the drop in murders in New York and other cities in the 1990s, no one knows for sure why they decreased. He noted that police departments tend to take credit when the murder toll goes down.

"When crime goes up, it will be interesting to see whether they will accept responsibility," Karmen said.

That's me right there. Let me apologize..

[Darthphere]

Should Overmyhead get banned?


The answer, after this break....

[USMC]

Welcome back.

Yes.

[Ben Urich]

Yeah, take away the 2nd amendment.

[Honey Vibe]

Why should my right to bear arms be taken away, just because you are simple?

[USMC]

I meant yes, OMH should be banned, hahahah!

And no, guns shouldn't be banned.

[Addendum]

Criminals will always be able to obtain guns through illegal means. Preventing law-abiding citizens from obtaining guns legally will do nothing to stop criminals from getting them illegally

[Calvin]

Not banned, but we could stand to have a little more gun control. I'm also in favor it stricter driver's license requirements.

[Calvin]

Criminals will always be able to obtain guns through illegal means. Preventing law-abiding citizens from obtaining guns legally will do nothing to stop criminals from getting them illegally
Seems to be working in europe for the most part.

[terry78]

You should be required to perform practice shooting at a range in front of authorized government personnel before obtaining a gun, regardless of past experience you may or may not have. Anyone's ass could snap one day and just start shooting up a mall.

[Calvin]

You should have to make it through fairly difficult IQ and mental health tests. For both owning a gun and driving.

[Future Prez]

I Like Chris Rock's approach. It's not about gun control, its about bullet control. If we make bullets cost $5,000 each, the murder rate would drop like a rock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJGcrUk2eE

[Yurka]

I hate Chris Rock

[Kritish]

No, the law abiding citizens of a the U.S. are promised the right to guns under the constituion.
I do believe in gun-control, no criminal should be allowed to own a any gun not just hand guns.
I don't think it should be legal to buy guns without a criminal record check, therefore I don't think being allowed to buy a gun in a newspaper or purchase one without a check at a gun show.

[OverMyHead]

Who here owns a gun, and what kind of gun do you own?

[Hades]

I think we should go back to using swords.

[mightiest_mortal]

I think guns should be legalised in England.
There are too many places now in this countrty where I'm scared to even go out during the day let alone at night. Shouldnt have to feel like this.

[terry78]

Be a man and use your fists or make a weapon out of whatever's lying around. Time it right and you can deflect the bullet. :o

[Kritish]

Who here owns a gun, and what kind of gun do you own?

I own a BB gun.:o

[mightiest_mortal]

well im an Ethnic minority in this country, so if I even shout back at people who are tring to spit on me in the street then i normally have whole gangs of youths trying to chase me to kick me head in. Fun Fun Fun.:csad:
And when i try to explain this to friends from richer Areas they all just assume im a racist :cmad:


(..and yeah i am white Caucasian)

[Kritish]

well im an Ethnic minority in this country, so if I even shout back at people who are tring to spit on me in the street then i normally have whole gangs of youths trying to chase me to kick me head in. Fun Fun Fun.:csad:
And when i try to explain this to friends from richer Areas they all just assume im a racist :cmad:


(..and yeah i am white Caucasian)

Um...I went to the U.K. once for a trip and I've never seen so many white people in my life.

And I'm white...

[mightiest_mortal]

Um...I went to the U.K. once for a trip and I've never seen so many white people in my life.

And I'm white...

things change... give it 10 years and itl be renamed "Pakistan 2"

[OverMyHead]

You are a racist. :mad:

[Kritish]

things change... give it 10 years and itl be renamed "Pakistan 2"

New Pakistan will be France, not England.:o

[mightiest_mortal]

You are a racist. :mad:
im not racist. England has ridiculous immigration policies by any standards, what seems like the majority of immigrants dont make any effort to integrate, and im actually disadvantaged by the goverrnment and any benefits because im white and was actually born in England.
All factual statements.

New Pakistan will be France, not England.:o
I thought everyone was just waiting there til they could get through the tunnel?

[Kritish]

im not racist. England has ridiculous immigration policies by any standards, what seems like the majority of immigrants dont make any effort to integrate, and im actually disadvantaged by the goverrnment and any benefits because im white and was actually born in England.
All factual statements.


I thought everyone was just waiting there til they could get through the tunnel?

America's immigration policy sucks here too, I don't think building a wall will do anything though. What we should do is make it a felony to have illegals working at your place. If we slap on them a heavy fine of say 25,000 USD It will stop over night. If these people don't have any jobs they will leave.

[Darthphere]

America's immigration policy sucks here too, I don't think building a wall will do anything though. What we should do is make it a felony to have illegals working at your place. If we slap on them a heavy fine of say 25,000 USD It will stop over night. If these people don't have any jobs they will leave.


Yeah then no one will cut your grass.

[Kritish]

Yeah then no one will cut your grass.

I live in an apartment, I don't cut grass.

The people that need it cut can either get off their lazy asses or hire a legal worker.

[Darthphere]

No one will do your roof then.

[Kritish]

No one will do your roof then.

It's not like only illegals do those jobs.:whatever:

There's plenty of real americans that will do those jobs.

I'm not being racist, I don't mean white when I say that. I'm talking about true americans that either immigrated the legal way or were born here.

[Darthphere]

It's not like only illegals do those jobs.:whatever:

There's plenty of real americans that will do those jobs.

I'm not being racist, I don't mean white when I say that. I'm talking about true americans that either immigrated the legal way or were born here.


I wish that was true, I really do.:csad:

[Kritish]

I wish that was true, I really do.:csad:

You look like an able bodied lad.

Why don't you get into the roofing industry?

[Darthphere]

Pffft. You crazy, thats what the mexicans are for.

[jks]

Ban guns? And have violent crime rates soar like they have in places like england and australia when they banned them?


I think not

[Kritish]

Ban guns? And have violent crime rates soar like they have in places like england and australia when they banned them?


I think not

I don't thin Australia has enougth people in it to be considered violent.

England still has lower murder rates than the U.S. it's not that they can't get ahold of guns. It's that American culture is violent.

[Darth Elektra]

Simple answer,

No.

[Kritish]

Simple answer,

No.

Micheal Moore was right, it's not the guns it's the culture that has them.

[Darthphere]

Michael Moore stole your credibility.

[demento]

My new baby:

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/013175m.jpg

Taking her to the range for the 1st time on Sat. :woot: Woot! :woot:

[mightiest_mortal]

Guns don't kill people, rappers do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv-2XYOtgCg)

[Kritish]

Michael Moore stole your credibility.

Micheal Moore is a fat crap and has the 9/11 thing up his ass but he was right in bowling for columbine.

[terry78]

My new baby:

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/013175m.jpg

Taking her to the range for the 1st time on Sat. :woot: Woot! :woot:
While wearing a John Deere hat no less, right?

[Kritish]

While wearing a John Deere hat no less, right?

Chevy Comercial: This is OURRRRRR COUNTRYYYYYY:cmad:

[demento]

While wearing a John Deere hat no less, right?
How did you know? Creepy.

[Exploding Boy]

They should be banned. If you're going to kill someone, be creative :o

[Abaddon]

Overmyhead makes so many threads

[Addendum]

They should be banned. If you're going to kill someone, be creative :o
Numbness, see your fingers turn purple, would you rather burn?
Catching your breath, I'll let you choose your death
Cast your life of agony, I'll dump your body in the sea
I'll drown you while laughing, you know I will destroy you
If chainsaws are your fantasy, I'll cut your body into three
Slicing and grinding, you know that life's not binding
So strangulation is your game, you know I always please to maim
My service to you, to watch your face turn blue

I know your mind, it must be yielding, I'll throw you off a real-tall building
You can't be found, you're splattered on the ground
I'll slit your wrist and let you die, you know they'll call it suicide
Blood on the ceiling, I know how you are feeling
If you'd like to be cremated or maybe decapitated
Speak up now or I'll decide just how
Now you've waited way too long, I knew your mind was not that strong
you've lost your chance, so I will choose your death

[Tangled Web]

It's too late to ban guns. But there should be heavy gun control laws.

[Kritish]

Overmyhead makes so many threads

Remember when I made that many?

I was so cute back then.:woot:

[Addendum]

It's too late to ban guns. But there should be heavy gun control laws.
Because we all know that the real criminals are law-abiding citizens with legally obtained firearms

[Sabretooth]

http://www.mensfitnessmagazine.co.uk/images/library_UK_6/master_at_arms_3018_12.jpg


Just TRY and ban these guns. :cmad:

[Kritish]

http://www.mensfitnessmagazine.co.uk/images/library_UK_6/master_at_arms_3018_12.jpg


Just TRY and ban these guns. :cmad:

Stop posting your gay porn on this thread.

[terry78]

^Don't try and hide your fear of getting beat up by that dude with sarcasm. :o

[Kritish]

^Don't try and hide your fear of getting beat up by that dude with sarcasm. :o

Will you protect me?:csad:

[Sabretooth]

Stop posting your gay porn on this thread.
What? You're not turned on by his beehive resembling arms? :huh:

[Exploding Boy]

Numbness, see your fingers turn purple, would you rather burn?
Catching your breath, I'll let you choose your death
Cast your life of agony, I'll dump your body in the sea
I'll drown you while laughing, you know I will destroy you
If chainsaws are your fantasy, I'll cut your body into three
Slicing and grinding, you know that life's not binding
So strangulation is your game, you know I always please to maim
My service to you, to watch your face turn blue

I know your mind, it must be yielding, I'll throw you off a real-tall building
You can't be found, you're splattered on the ground
I'll slit your wrist and let you die, you know they'll call it suicide
Blood on the ceiling, I know how you are feeling
If you'd like to be cremated or maybe decapitated
Speak up now or I'll decide just how
Now you've waited way too long, I knew your mind was not that strong
you've lost your chance, so I will choose your death
thats pretty tight

[Tangled Web]

Because we all know that the real criminals are law-abiding citizens with legally obtained firearms
People with guns in their house are more likely to shoot a family member than a criminal. Look at crimes of passion, accidental shootings, children bringing guns to school and stuff like that. The number of gun deaths would go down signifigantly if those factors were eliminated.

[Kritish]

What? You're not turned on by his beehive resembling arms? :huh:

No. :dry:

[Kritish]

People with guns in their house are more likely to shoot a family member than a criminal. Look at crimes of passion, accidental shootings, children bringing guns to school and stuff like that. The number of gun deaths would go down signifigantly if those factors were eliminated.

That's why we made gun safes and trigger locks.
Like I said, it's not the guns it's the culture that has them.

[Sabretooth]

Well,I think that's rather odd to be honest.

[Abaddon]

Remember when I made that many?

I was so cute back then.:woot:


or so you liked to believe

[Kritish]

Well,I think that's rather odd to be honest.

What, to say that I don't like men?:huh:

Besides those are fake. :down:

Steroids R Us.

[Addendum]

People with guns in their house are more likely to shoot a family member than a criminal. Look at crimes of passion, accidental shootings, children bringing guns to school and stuff like that. The number of gun deaths would go down signifigantly if those factors were eliminated.
And if the parents took the proper precaution with regard to firearms (such as trigger locks, purchasing a lock box and/or gun cabinet or gun locker with the key or combination on their person), that could also lower some numbers.

However, that's entirely separate from the gun deaths caused by firearms obtained illegally.

And some people own guns who don't even have a family of their own.

[Kritish]

Let's not forget the fact that parents need to teach their kids.

My dad taught me that guns were dangerous and that If I ever wanted to touch one of his I could ask him (he would unload it and let me hold it while he was watching).

I never touched a gun when I wasn't supposed to.

[Badger]

People with guns in their house are more likely to shoot a family member than a criminal. Look at crimes of passion, accidental shootings, children bringing guns to school and stuff like that. The number of gun deaths would go down signifigantly if those factors were eliminated.

Just like people with food in their house are more likely to get fat and have health problems, possible die. Or, people with cars are more likely to get in a car accident that kills themselves, family members, or strangers. That’s a ridiculous argument.

I think the gun control laws in the US are far to lax, but banning guns is not the answer. Like Calvin said there should be tests and mandatory classes taken to own any type of firearm.

[ShadowBoxing]

Guns are needed as the last check the people have between the Government and their personal freedom. However it would be benefitial to make sure gun education is implemented so people who buy guns are more likely to treat them with responsibility and respect.

[terry78]

You need some type of extra precaution to make sure no one will go stark raving mad and become some kind of militia nut, that's the problem. Granted, anything can be turned into a weapon in the home, but most people go straight for the gun if they decide to wreak some havoc.

[Badger]

And if the parents took the proper precaution with regard to firearms (such as trigger locks, purchasing a lock box and/or gun cabinet or gun locker with the key or combination on their person), that could also lower some numbers.

Exactly. :up:

Furthermore, if you own a firearm which is not stored properly and this results in injury and/or death; then it should be treated as if you intentionally caused the injury/death.

[Spider-Bite]

What no poll?

No. Guns shouldn't be banned.

[Spider-Bite]

Exactly. :up:

Furthermore, if you own a firearm which is not stored properly and this results in injury and/or death; then it should be treated as if you intentionally caused the injury/death.


Does that mean that the gun company should be held accountable since they didn't take the precaution of putting a safety lock on the gun?

[Fred_Fury]

if you dont want guns to be legal, maybe you should leave the USA, considering its part of our constitution that we can own guns. Maybe you'll like Cuba or China beter, they have strict gun control laws.

[Spider-Bite]

Originally Posted by Tangled Web
People with guns in their house are more likely to shoot a family member than a criminal. Look at crimes of passion, accidental shootings, children bringing guns to school and stuff like that. The number of gun deaths would go down signifigantly if those factors were eliminated.



a gun stored in the home is 75 times more likely to be accidentally shot at a friend, family member, or child, then it is to ever be used in self defense.

[Spider-Bite]

if you dont want guns to be legal, maybe you should leave the USA, considering its part of our constitution that we can own guns. Maybe you'll like Cuba or China beter, they have strict gun control laws.

well everybody has a right in America to agree or disagree with the law or constitution. People are also trying to change our constitution to ban gay marriage. Does that mean all the anti gay rights believers should leave the country?

I'd rather they didn't, because they will just go somewhere else and hate gay people there, and that's not fair to the gay people over there.

[Fred_Fury]

a gun stored in the home is 75 times more likely to be accidentally shot at a friend, family member, or child, then it is to ever be used in self defense.

95% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[ShadowBoxing]

if you dont want guns to be legal, maybe you should leave the USA, considering its part of our constitution that we can own guns. Maybe you'll like Cuba or China beter, they have strict gun control laws.

Post from Fred Fury dated July, 1828
if you dont want slavery to be legal, maybe you should leave the USA, considering its part of our constitution that we can own slaves. Maybe you'll like Europe beter, they have strict anti-slave laws.

[Badger]

You need some type of extra precaution to make sure no one will go stark raving mad and become some kind of militia nut, that's the problem.

Agreed, like banning firearm sales at Gun Shows.

Granted, anything can be turned into a weapon in the home, but most people go straight for the gun if they decide to wreak some havoc.

If you ban guns, then murders by stabbing goes through the roof. If someone wants to kill someone and gun isn't available, its not going to stop them.

[Fred_Fury]

Post from Fred Fury dated July, 1828
if you dont want slavery to be legal, maybe you should leave the USA, considering its part of our constitution that we can own slaves. Maybe you'll like Europe beter, they have strict anti-slave laws.

LIES! I NEVER WROTE THAT! I WASNT EVEN BORN UNTIL OVER 100 YEARS LATER

and I dont think the right to own slaves was ever in the constitution.

[Addendum]

Does that mean that the gun company should be held accountable since they didn't take the precaution of putting a safety lock on the gun?
Once a consumer buys a product (in this case a firearm), it is the consumer's responsibility to store it properly and keep it out of the hands of children, if they have any.

Since there are various trigger locks which can be purchased at places that sell guns, various kinds of lock boxes, gun lockers, gun cabinets, gun safety classes, books and manuals that explain gun safety and care, then the accountability of gun makers is less than that of the gun owner.

[Spider-Bite]

Agreed, like banning firearm sales at Gun Shows.



If you ban guns, then murders by stabbing goes through the roof. If someone wants to kill someone and gun isn't available, its not going to stop them.
I'm against banning guns, however most murders are committed in the heat of the moment in a blind fury. I'm not posititive, but I think 75% of murders are committed while drunk. If a person wasn't intent on a murder and planned it out for a long time, than the absense of a gun can make a difference.

I simply want strict gun control, and 50 years from now I want them to have transmitters in them so every time a gun is fired the local authorities are notified, so they know somebody is in trouble. Some people call that an invasion, but it's absurd. It's no different than if you called the police after hearing gun shots which almost every reasonable person would.

[Fred_Fury]

You'll have to pry my gun...


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Colddead-fp.jpg
"From my cold dead hands!"

[Kritish]

I'm against banning guns, however most murders are committed in the heat of the moment in a blind fury. I'm not posititive, but I think 75% of murders are committed while drunk. If a person wasn't intent on a murder and planned it out for a long time, than the absense of a gun can make a difference.

I simply want strict gun control, and 50 years from now I want them to have transmitters in them so every time a gun is fired the local authorities are notified, so they know somebody is in trouble. Some people call that an invasion, but it's absurd. It's no different than if you called the police after hearing gun shots which almost every reasonable person would.

:wow: No not BF!!

What about gun ranges?

[Badger]

Does that mean that the gun company should be held accountable since they didn't take the precaution of putting a safety lock on the gun?

Any gun sold today can be safely rendered inoperable without a lock. It’s in the owner’s manual. With that said, I think bolt/trigger locks are a great idea.

[Spider-Bite]

Once a consumer buys a product (in this case a firearm), it is the consumer's responsibility to store it properly and keep it out of the hands of children, if they have any.

Since there are various trigger locks which can be purchased at places that sell guns, various kinds of lock boxes, gun lockers, gun cabinets, gun safety classes, books and manuals that explain gun safety and care, then the accountability of gun makers is less than that of the gun owner.


If they are going to sell these things in the first place than they have a responsibility to sell them safely. Just like amusement parks have a responsibility to make the ride safe and protect the consumer. It's not fair for these companies to put my life in danger. I'm not dying for gun company profits.

They know there are idiots out there, and it's not fair to the idiots or the idiot's victims. What if a kid steals his dad's gun and plays with it and shoots another kid? Was that dead kid irresponsible? What do we say to his parents? They didn't do anything wreckless. That could have been EASILY prevented by common sense gun control laws.

It's the responsiblity of EVERYONE invovled to be careful, not just the owner.

[ShadowBoxing]

LIES! I NEVER WROTE THAT! I WASNT EVEN BORN UNTIL OVER 100 YEARS LATER

and I dont think the right to own slaves was ever in the constitution.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
Art. I, ?9.

Section. 9. The Migration of Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
Art. IV, ?2.

No person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

[Spider-Bite]

:wow: No not BF!!

What about gun ranges?

If a transmission goes off and it's coming from a gun range than the cop can sit back and finish his donut. Anywhere else and the sirens should be blearing.

[Spider-Bite]

You'll have to pry my gun...


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Colddead-fp.jpg
"From my cold dead hands!"

I forget his name but I saw his face at a website quoting conservatives, and he said all faggets were disgusting worthless infidels who should be burned alive along with anybody who defends them.

I think the site was called The American Taliban.

[Addendum]

If they are going to sell these things in the first place than they have a responsibility to sell them safely. Just like amusement parks have a responsibility to make the ride safe and protect the consumer. It's not fair for these companies to put my life in danger. I'm not dying for gun company profits.

They know there are idiots out there, and it's not fair to the idiots or the idiot's victims. What if a kid steals his dad's gun and plays with it and shoots another kid? Was that dead kid irresponsible? What do we say to his parents? They didn't do anything wreckless. That could have been EASILY prevented by common sense gun control laws.

It's the parents fault for not properly storing their firearm. Gun safes are available, so are gun lockers, gun cabinets, and lock boxes.

Some have a combination lock, and some use a key. With the combination and/or key on the parent's person, then they don't have to worry about Jimmy or Suzie getting dad's gun.

The idiots have the material available to not be an idiot. It's their fault for not obtaining it, no one else's

[jks]

I don't thin Australia has enougth people in it to be considered violent.

England still has lower murder rates than the U.S. it's not that they can't get ahold of guns. It's that American culture is violent.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=8073

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1357805/posts

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/september2004/060904banningguns.htm

[Spider-Bite]

It's the parents fault for not properly storing their firearm. Gun safes are available, so are gun lockers, gun cabinets, and lock boxes.


Of course it's their fault. My point is that these companies know it's going to happen and happen often, and they still choose to sell them without safety locks. They are literally choosing for people to die so they can make more money.


The idiots have the material available to not be an idiot. It's their fault for not obtaining it, no one else's

Including the dead? It's not the dead kid's fault, and if we have an oppotunity to protect these children from the mistakes of idiots than we are obligated to protect them. We protect them from intentional death and accidental. that's what the government is there for. To protect it's citizens.

Seriously here is all that needs to be considered.

No mandatory safety locks=lots of dead kids or other dead people

Mandatory safey locks=less accidental deaths

All common sense dicates that you choose the later.

[Fred_Fury]

I forget his name but I saw his face at a website quoting conservatives, and he said all faggets were disgusting worthless infidels who should be burned alive along with anybody who defends them.

I think the site was called The American Taliban.

probably some smear website spreading propaganda

[Spider-Bite]

probably some smear website spreading propaganda

An awful lot of the quotes were from Conservative politicains, radio talk show hosts, and news reporters whom I know said those things though. Bush did say that God told him to strike at Alqueda and Saddam Hussein.

Bill O Reily did say "Parents need to teach their kid's values, and I'm sorry, but the black community just isn't doing it"

And I know all the Pat Robertson quotes were true as well. I can't remember anymore from it. Half the people on there, I never heard of.

[Kritish]

I forget his name but I saw his face at a website quoting conservatives, and he said all faggets were disgusting worthless infidels who should be burned alive along with anybody who defends them.

I think the site was called The American Taliban.

Ouch, did the dude from Planet of the Apes really say that?:wow:

[Addendum]

Of course it's their fault. My point is that these companies know it's going to happen and happen often, and they still choose to sell them without safety locks. They are literally choosing for people to die so they can make more money.
And my point is that there are already safety locks available! Every single gun store sells trigger locks. You can also get gun cabinets (not the wooden display cases, but metal cabinets [essentially a safe] that are bolted to the floor and fire resistent), lock boxes and other safeguards. There is no excuse for someone who legally obtained a firearm to not have one or all of those safety items in their home


Including the dead? It's not the dead kid's fault, and if we have an oppotunity to protect these children from the mistakes of idiots than we are obligated to protect them.
I never said it's the dead kid's fault. I said it's the fault of the idiot who didn't secure their firearm through the above means already available. If they're not going to use those items, a trigger lock that's built into the gun or included with the firearm will not be used as well.

We protect them from intentional death and accidental. that's what the government is there for. To protect it's citizens.
Protect the citizens collectively. Not individually. The police cannot be held liable for failing to do so.

Seriously here is all that needs to be considered.

No mandatory safety locks=lots of dead kids or other dead people

Mandatory safey locks=less accidental deaths

All common sense dicates that you choose the later.
A safety lock does nothing unless the individual uses it. Hence, the responsibility of the gun owner outweighs that of the gun maker

[Spider-Bite]

Ouch, did the dude from Planet of the Apes really say that?:wow:

I don't know for a fact that he did, but that's what the site said.

[Mr Sparkle]

I have this feeling that this thread won't end well.

[Kritish]

I don't know for a fact that he did, but that's what the site said.

"Get your stinkin' hands off you damn dirty gay!":wow:

[Badger]

Seriously here is all that needs to be considered.

No mandatory safety locks=lots of dead kids or other dead people

Mandatory safey locks=less accidental deaths

All common sense dicates that you choose the later.

Nobody’s arguing the fact that trigger/bolt locks shouldn’t be mandatory. Hell, I think it’s a great idea. But is it the responsibility of the manufacture to make the owner responsible? No it is not, even if they did provide them there’s no guarantee that they’d be used. This idea is a kin to making Automobile manufactures supply our auto insurance. While I’d be all for that, it’s not a realistic approach.

[Badger]

I have this feeling that this thread won't end well.

Is that what that feeling is, I thought I had to take a dump. :huh:

[Mr Sparkle]

Is that what that feeling is, I thought I had to take a dump. :huh:

you should do that as well, those two feelings are interchangeable and you might never be the same if you confuse one for the other.:csad:

[Badger]

you should do that as well, those two feelings are interchangeable and you might never be the same if you confuse one for the other.:csad:

Ok thanks, I'll be right back. :up: :huh:

[Abaddon]

Is it just me or does Fred sound dumber than he did a few years ago.:huh:

[ScottyBBadd]

Yeah, take away the 2nd amendment.

If you throw out the 2nd amendment you can throw out the entire constitution.

[Mr Sparkle]

Is it just me or does Fred sound dumber than he did a few years ago.:huh:
it's all that training he's been getting, did you hear? he shot an innocent phtographer during a simple training exercise. :eek:

[Fred_Fury]

it's all that training he's been getting, did you hear? he shot an innocent phtographer during a simple training exercise. :eek:

I wish :csad:

[Abaddon]

Yeah, I don't get that reference.:o:csad:

[Mr Sparkle]

boo you! boo!!!

[Abaddon]

:csad::csad:

[hippie_hunter]

That's me right there. Let me apologize..

Threre is a serious flaw in your article.

The cities mentioned, New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Philadelphia have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

Gun control laws just prevent law abiding citizens from legally owning a gun. Criminals will still obtain guns through illegal means.

[Spade]

Banning guns from controlled public usage will do nothing to curb violence. It will just cause people to resort to other sordid means. Since most of the people frequenting this site are sane (emphasis on 'most'), I don't think we delve into how mentally disturbed one would have to be to attack another person for no reason with the intent to kill. Purposeless killing requires the desire just to see the victim in pain or taking thrill in the life ebbing away from another human being. Perhaps not even that. If you have the mindset to kill or seriously injure someone, you will probably find a way to kill other people. It doesn't matter how it happens. Strangulation is still an effective way for many would-be killers to get their way. Fragile people can be beat to death by someone with superior strength. I also don't see how the 'children attacking children' excuse comes into play for some people. If the child is going to try and attack another child, they're going to. It's that simple, and it doesn't matter what object is used. The infamous Sasebo killings in the Japanese school system occured when one girl killed another with a box knife, but with the hatred that girl had for her target it could have been anything of sufficient damage-dealing impact and I bet she would have used it in lieu of a blade. It also has little to do with influences in the media. My parents raised me to be a well-adjusted human being. I play violent video games and am known to watch the occasional horror flick, but nothing in the media urges me to go out and kill someone for no reason just because I've seen examples. The safeguards in my life- in this case my parents- have taught me otherwise.

We need to stop using objects as an excuse to walk around the core issue of our own evil behavior and get to the root of the issue by giving people options to vent all this desire to take out their frustrations with hot lead. Whatever happened to the days when you could walk out of an establishment and engage in fisticuffs with the local jerk instead of having to hold it in and let it fester?

[hippie_hunter]

Banning guns from controlled public usage will do nothing to curb violence. It will just cause people to resort to other sordid means. Since most of the people frequenting this site are sane (emphasis on 'most'), I don't think we delve into how mentally disturbed one would have to be to attack another person for no reason with the intent to kill. Purposeless killing requires the desire just to see the victim in pain or taking thrill in the life ebbing away from another human being. Perhaps not even that. If you have the mindset to kill or seriously injure someone, you will probably find a way to kill other people. It doesn't matter how it happens. Strangulation is still an effective way for many would-be killers to get their way. Fragile people can be beat to death by someone with superior strength. I also don't see how the 'children attacking children' excuse comes into play for some people. If the child is going to try and attack another child, they're going to. It's that simple, and it doesn't matter what object is used. The infamous Sasebo killings in the Japanese school system occured when one girl killed another with a box knife, but with the hatred that girl had for her target it could have been anything of sufficient damage-dealing impact and I bet she would have used it in lieu of a blade. It also has little to do with influences in the media. My parents raised me to be a well-adjusted human being. I play violent video games and am known to watch the occasional horror flick, but nothing in the media urges me to go out and kill someone for no reason just because I've seen examples. The safeguards in my life- in this case my parents- have taught me otherwise.

We need to stop using objects as an excuse to walk around the core issue of our own evil behavior and get to the root of the issue by giving people options to vent all this desire to take out their frustrations with hot lead. Whatever happened to the days when you could walk out of an establishment and engage in fisticuffs with the local jerk instead of having to hold it in and let it fester?

A person with the name Kiriyama talking about gun politics and violence is a little creepy :o

[Spade]

A person with the name Kiriyama talking about gun politics and violence is a little creepy :o

My friend, you missed the point of the film adaption to Battle Royale. The Great Kiriyama did not need guns to kill the other students. He only used them to make it fair, as Kiriyama armed with a fan > every other thing that has ever lived. So he would have won without his Mac either way.

:oldrazz:

[Scar Predator]

I don't think guns should be banned altogether but I would like to see some real gun control legislation. A person should have to be 18 yrs old to attend a gun show or hunt. A potential gun owner should have to pass a test to show mental soundness and gun safety awareness. Juveniles who use guns in homicides should be tried as adults.

I'd also like to see a national gun awareness campaign implemented in all schools.

[hippie_hunter]

My friend, you missed the point of the film adaption to Battle Royale. The Great Kiriyama did not need guns to kill the other students. He only used them to make it fair, as Kiriyama armed with a fan > every other thing that has ever lived. So he would have won without his Mac either way.

:oldrazz:

The manga adaptation was way cooler than the film adaptation. Kiriyama went down like a b***h in the movie. It took forever to kill the ****er

[hippie_hunter]

My friend, you missed the point of the film adaption to Battle Royale. The Great Kiriyama did not need guns to kill the other students. He only used them to make it fair, as Kiriyama armed with a fan > every other thing that has ever lived. So he would have won without his Mac either way.

:oldrazz:

The manga adaptation was way cooler than the film adaptation. Kiriyama went down like a b***h in the movie. It took forever to kill the ****er

And it's still creepy that a person with the name Kiriyama talking about violence.

[Spade]

The manga adaptation was way cooler than the film adaptation. Kiriyama went down like a b***h in the movie. It took forever to kill the ****er

Better than in the novel- Noriko shoots him in the head in the original version right between the eyes. His manga death would have been better to me if Kawada had more of a hand in it. That sniveling little Nanahara suddenly gets all "OMG i finally realize my friends might die so now I'm gonna open up the l33t pwnzorz skillz" when all of the interpretations have shown him not to have that sort of character.

And it's still creepy that a person with the name Kiriyama talking about violence.

Wouldn't it be creepier if I was named 'GunzRock' or 'PsychoMurderer'? :o

[Addendum]

I liked the novel. I'm still looking for the film and I'm iffy on the manga

[cryptic name]

Criminals will always be able to obtain guns through illegal means. Preventing law-abiding citizens from obtaining guns legally will do nothing to stop criminals from getting them illegally

exactly.

[Spider-Bite]

[quote=Addendum]And my point is that there are already safety locks available! Every single gun store sells trigger locks. You can also get gun cabinets (not the wooden display cases, but metal cabinets [essentially a safe] that are bolted to the floor and fire resistent), lock boxes and other safeguards. There is no excuse for someone who legally obtained a firearm to not have one or all of those safety items in their home



there is also no excuse for somebody who legally sells firearms not to sell them with safety locks.


I never said it's the dead kid's fault. I said it's the fault of the idiot who didn't secure their firearm through the above means already available. If they're not going to use those items, a trigger lock that's built into the gun or included with the firearm will not be used as well.


the conveinence of it being right there makes it more likely that they will use it.


Protect the citizens collectively. Not individually. The police cannot be held liable for failing to do so.



yes collectively with socailism policies.

A safety lock does nothing unless the individual uses it. Hence, the responsibility of the gun owner outweighs that of the gun maker

I never denied that. The fact that they have more responsibility doesn't mean they are the only ones responsible.

[Spider-Bite]

Gun control laws just prevent law abiding citizens from legally owning a gun. Criminals will still obtain guns through illegal means.

that's a lie. How does not allowing felons to legally own a gun stop law abiding citizens from owning one?

[Addendum]

that's a lie. How does not allowing felons to legally own a gun stop law abiding citizens from owning one?
How does it stop criminials from obtaining firearms illegally?

[Spider-Bite]

true, but it doesn't change the fact that the number of gun related deaths would go down. Most gun related deaths do not involve gangs with black market connections to get an illegal firearm. Gun related murders are almost always committed by somebody who thought they would never ever do such a thing. They are committed in a blind rage while drunk, without planning or consideration. those people wouldn't have a gun if they were illegal. guns aren't like weed, where the customer needs to stock up every 2 days. Hence you wont find gun dealers as easily as marijuana dealers, because there isn't as much money to be made.

[Addendum]

The gun related crime in Memphis is caused by criminals and by gangs. The gun drives have not removed a single firearm from the hand of a criminal because no criminal would ever turn one.

Not everyone in Memphis owns a firearm, however those whom I personally know that own them have gone through the legal means to own one, and are all responsible gun owners. None of them have ever had a gun accident.

[Spider-Bite]

How does it stop criminials from obtaining firearms illegally?

I've met a few felons. They do not have the ability to buy firearms legally or illegally, because they don't know anybody that will sell them one, even though if they wanted drugs it'd be a peace of cake to get em.

The black market does not work the same for guns as it does for drugs, mainly because of the turnover rate for the product. you can only sell drugs to the same five people, and make a ton of money, because they keep coming back for more. Guns don't work like that because you dont finish smoking your gun in two days only to fien for more.
edit.. not to mention their probation officer or their parole officer can check their house at any time without notice, and send them to prison for 10 years. All felons have to be worried as well that somebody they know can rat on them. Imagine the trailor trash in a fight with his girlfriend. She lets the cop right in and tells them where it is.

[OverMyHead]

Is Blind Fury, Fred Fury?

[Calvin]

The gun related crime in Memphis is caused by criminals and by gangs. The gun drives have not removed a single firearm from the hand of a criminal because no criminal would ever turn one.

Not everyone in Memphis owns a firearm, however those whom I personally know that own them have gone through the legal means to own one, and are all responsible gun owners. None of them have ever had a gun accident.
So instead of looking at actual gun accident statistics in the country, you're basing your stance on the people you personally know in Memphis? Wow, sound reasoning there. Like Spider-Bite said, stricter gun control doesn't prevent good law abiding and safe citizens from getting guns, it just goes towards limiting gun usage to said group.

[Ash J. Williams]

No, they shouldn't ban guns.

[hippie_hunter]

that's a lie. How does not allowing felons to legally own a gun stop law abiding citizens from owning one?
I'm not saying that at all. There should be some form of gun control laws such as having the mandatory safety, or not allowing fellons have guns at all, and the waiting period is sensible too. And we should have tougher punishments on people who commit gun crimes. We should do more to promote gun safety programs.

Gun laws that are too strict though (notice how I said too strict) will prevent law abiding citizens from owning firearms for protection, for hunting or even collecting, or whatever reason. Criminals who want a gun will still get a gun, through illegal means. If someone wants to hurt someone, they can still do it, without a gun.

[CyberFaust]

guns SHOULD be banned

[CyberFaust]

guns SHOULD be banned

[Addendum]

So instead of looking at actual gun accident statistics in the country, you're basing your stance on the people you personally know in Memphis? Wow, sound reasoning there. Like Spider-Bite said, stricter gun control doesn't prevent good law abiding and safe citizens from getting guns, it just goes towards limiting gun usage to said group.
Basing a stance? No. Using them as an example, yes. Since I don't know anyone in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, Miami, Phoenix, or other cities in US, why shouldn't I use the people I personally know in Memphis as an example of gun owners that actually practice gun safety and haven't had a gun accident?

[Guns]

http://img2.imagepile.net/img2b/136macro-hayguys.jpg

[Kaleb]

bwhahahahaha

[Drakon]

Ahem ^^^^

:o

[Abaddon]

hahahahahaha

[unstoppable]

allow guns we need them

[unstoppable]

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[Kaleb]

why was guns banned :(

[kingman]

Automatic and Semi Automatic firearms should only be available for use in a gun range under strict supervision and kept there in lockers because in all honesty why do you need something like that for home use? Small firearms or weapons used for hunting should be allowed under strict guidelines therefore anyone with a criminal record no matter how petty should have to go through a more advanced procedure to obtain such an item, also selling firearms on should be done solely through lisenced stores or dealerships...

Of course people will have other ways of getting their hands on a firearm if they really want it but at least this way would still keep the constitution right while cutting down gun crime

[Addendum]

I would like to be able to inherit that machinegun my grandpa took from a nazi in WW2

[Calvin]

Basing a stance? No. Using them as an example, yes. Since I don't know anyone in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, Miami, Phoenix, or other cities in US, why shouldn't I use the people I personally know in Memphis as an example of gun owners that actually practice gun safety and haven't had a gun accident?
Because we're talking about a national issue. And clearly, the numbers show that we could use a little better gun control. Not a banning, but gun control. If the people in your example are really as sound and safe as you say, they wouldn't have a problem even under stricter rules.

[Addendum]

A trigger lock is only good when the owner uses it. At one of my jobs I had in college, every gun I sold came with a trigger lock. Every gun sale had paperwork, including a background check done by TBI (Tennessee Bureau of Investigation).

[Fred_Fury]

if you're so dumb you'd accidentally shoot yourself because you have no trigger lock, you dont deserve to be a part of the gene pool.

[Calvin]

A trigger lock is only good when the owner uses it. At one of my jobs I had in college, every gun I sold came with a trigger lock. Every gun sale had paperwork, including a background check done by TBI (Tennessee Bureau of Investigation).
I'm glad we have a background check as a standard, but considering we're issuing out killing machines, there really should be more tests before someone can buy a gun. Give me an IQ test, and a mental health test, and I'll be happy.

[DarthRekal]

yes ban them...

[Addendum]

I'm glad we have a background check as a standard, but considering we're issuing out killing machines, there really should be more tests before someone can buy a gun. Give me an IQ test, and a mental health test, and I'll be happy.
With the idiots in Memphis, I agree. If you have to take a test to get a driver's license before you can legally drive, why shouldn't there be a test before one gets a firearm?

[Fledermaus]

No, guns shouldn't be banned.

[Kritish]

I've met a few felons. They do not have the ability to buy firearms legally or illegally, because they don't know anybody that will sell them one, even though if they wanted drugs it'd be a peace of cake to get em.

The black market does not work the same for guns as it does for drugs, mainly because of the turnover rate for the product. you can only sell drugs to the same five people, and make a ton of money, because they keep coming back for more. Guns don't work like that because you dont finish smoking your gun in two days only to fien for more.
edit.. not to mention their probation officer or their parole officer can check their house at any time without notice, and send them to prison for 10 years. All felons have to be worried as well that somebody they know can rat on them. Imagine the trailor trash in a fight with his girlfriend. She lets the cop right in and tells them where it is.

About that chip idea, what happens when someone goes hunting?

[Fledermaus]

Here's what should happen: A nationwide list of felons or people with charges that would prevent them from legally owning a firearm. When you go to buy a gun your name is run against that list. If it comes back clean, you have your gun, if not you don't. This way the only names the government has are the people who can't have guns, not your law-abiding citizen who want to go armed.

[Kritish]

I think certain weapons like 50 calibers and uzis should be make illegal for all.

There's simply no purpose for them outside of the military.

[Fledermaus]

Have you ever shot a .50 caliber rifle? Trust me, there is a purpose.

[Kritish]

Have you ever shot a .50 caliber rifle? Trust me, there is a purpose.

No civilian needs to own a rilfe that can hit something a kilometre away.

[Addendum]

Have you ever shot a .50 caliber rifle? Trust me, there is a purpose.
Yes. One of the rifles snipers use is a .50 cal rifle.

However, we're not talking about military. We're talking civilian use.

[Fred_Fury]

I think certain weapons like 50 calibers and uzis should be make illegal for all.

There's simply no purpose for them outside of the military.

a .50 cal has a purpose for civilians. You could kill your deer and make hamburger meat out of him at the same time.

[Addendum]

a .50 cal has a purpose for civilians. You could kill your deer and make hamburger meat out of him at the same time.
The rifle for lazy asses

[Darthphere]

The rifle for lazy asses


For real, I like to run up to the deer with my bowie knife.:up:

[Spade]

For real, I like to run up to the deer with my bowie knife.:up:

And here I was, thinking you just pulled a Black Adam on every Bambi lookalike you find.

[Addendum]

For real, I like to run up to the deer with my bowie knife.:up:
http://www.nndb.com/people/076/000023007/david-bowie.jpg

He went from music to making cutlery

[Darthphere]

Word.

[jks]

I think certain weapons like 50 calibers and uzis should be make illegal for all.

There's simply no purpose for them outside of the military.I own a .50 cal IMI desert eagle AE. Great for hunting large game.

It's completely impractical for defense or using in a crime because of it's weight

[Ash J. Williams]

http://www.nndb.com/people/076/000023007/david-bowie.jpg

He went from music to making cutlery

I thought the Bowie knife was created by Jim Bowie...:huh:

[Fred_Fury]

I own a .50 cal IMI desert eagle AE. Great for hunting large game.

It's completely impractical for defense or using in a crime because of it's weight

you hunt with a handgun?

[muertevilla]

they should ban guns in church. im getting tired of hearing about all these disgruntled worshipers.

[Eddie Brock]

banning guns would accomplish nothing
since when have bans stopped ANYONE?

[Fledermaus]

he's right. Criminal will always be able to get guns, legal or illegal. Because, well, they're criminals.

[CyberFaust]

true but it would make it harder for them to get a gun and then once your caught with it your clearly doing something bad

and bans have stoped me form geting a gun so there, HA!

[Angry Sentinel]

I guess I'm for both: Better gun control (not ban) and for people holding themselves MORE responsible.

But i'm always for the latter...

[Fledermaus]

true but it would make it harder for them to get a gun and then once your caught with it your clearly doing something bad

and bans have stoped me form geting a gun so there, HA!

If you really wanted a gun, I'm sure you could get one. If you already have it in your head to use a gun to commit an illegal act, you probably wouldn't care to do an illegal act to get a gun. so there HA!:woot:

[jks]

you hunt with a handgun?
Sometimes, why?

[chamber-music]

murders