Who would be the villain for SM4?

[spideyfanemil]

If there is any SM4 of course!

[spideyfanemil]

Oh the last one it should say: I dont want to choose any of these

[bubbadoom]

I would like to see them use more of the classic villians, and it seems that a story with Kraven hunting the Lizard in the sewers of NY with Spidey trying to keep his friend, Dr. Connors, from getting hurt of hurting others would work well.

But since part 3 is the set up for Venom, I assume that's who we get for part 4 [yawn].

[a4cts]

Lizard and Mysterio...because of the the SM2 and SM3 references. Maybe some sort of symbiote reference to ultimately decide it's fate since from what I understand it won't be captured/destroyed. (Of course this is only if you'd want to milk it though and come up with a believable story arc.)

[Venom 1988]

Lizard and Kraven. Throw Chameleon in the mix and base it on Kraven's Last Hunt, though there would be lots of changes to the story of course.

[Venom 1988]

But since part 3 is the set up for Venom, I assume that's who we get for part 4 [yawn].
Not exactly seeing as in SM3....Venom is in the final battle and Brock ends up dying.
Lizard and Mysterio...because of the the SM2 and SM3 references.Huh, what references?

[Brendan]

I was originally hoping that Electro would be in Spider-Man 3 with Sandman and then they confirmed that Topher was Venom.

[NewYorkSpider]

I think it will most likely end up being The Lizard and Kraven(Last Hunt). You can't use much of the main villians cause then there would be no story to tell for the rest of them.

[gamemiester]

elektro would be pretty good

[CAH]

The Lizard absolutely HAS to appear in some form in SM4...and Kraven is the obvious other villain choice.

The Chameleon would be such an awesome villain to see on screen, and so would Mysterio, so I'm not sure.

SM4 could have just 1 villain, or it could have 4 like SM3! So, if it's going to have just 1...The Lizard PLEASE! If it's going to have more than 1, add in Kraven, The Vulture, and Jack O'Lantern for a little fun.

CAH

[GoldGoblin]

Lizard,Kraven,and the Scorpion.

[Jasmine]

Lizard as the main baddie. With him getting introduced in the second and third film it's time for him to appear in the fourth film. Electro, Mysterio, and Chameleon would be the other possible choices of villians.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I'd be happy with either Electro, Mysterio, or Chameleon too. :up:

[The Villain]

I have no problem seeing Chameleon but still would route for Mysterio & Lizard.

Mysterio as said before could be complex but not too OTT threat and Lizard simply physical and sypathetic threat.

It can be done and hopefully with an equally balanced storyline.

Any ideas on how it could be achieved sensibly.

:oldrazz:

[kaijunexus]

The Jackal

[Dr Vigon Chaos]

Mysterio, Lizard, Chameleon or Scorpion I'd like to see one of these four next.

:oldrazz:

[Fran]

I am voting Venom, because Although he will probably be killed off in 3, he should deserve to have his own movie. It's f***ing VENOM!

But I'm sure it'd be Venom/Lizard.

[venomscurse2]

you should have made it multiple choice!!

[Spider-ManHero12]

i would love the lizard as the main baddie and if there are other villians in spidey4 there should be, mysterio, electro, and chameleon.

[Penguin]

I'd like to see Electro or Lizzard. Both would be awesome.

[Mr. Socko]

Definitely Mysterio, but someone else too.

[Cyrusbales]

Jameson's hatred for spidey could be peaking soon, so perhaps Scorpion? Would be awesome to see an on screen version of him? He'd give spidey a definate run for his money, mayeb have some others in there, I think the sinister six would work nicely, obviously it would have to be a line up without any previous villains, but Could work well I think!

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Cameo by Rhino or Shocker.

Main Villains: Lizard and Kraven.

[Road Warrior]

The Lizard because Dr. Conners was in Spider-Man 2 and will be in the third installment as well. So, obviously they are setting up his transformation into The Lizard.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I voted for Man-Wolf.

Hear me out! From a storyline POV, this all makes sense. Allow me to ellaborate: John Jameson dated MJ, and lost her to Spidey. And he's already been to the moon, so it's only natural that he become Man-Wolf to reek his revenge upon Peter Parker and Spider-Man. Just think of all the moonlit shennanigans and hijinx he'd get into. Think of the intense battles across New York.

Man-Wolf for Spidey 4.

[bullets]

im hoping for lizard , electro , and mysterio and it could open up with spiderman taking down some one like the vulture . hell .. do a montage with him beating the crap out of a bunch of secondary villians

[lordofthenerds]

Lizard and Kraven. I like the plot line of Kraven trying to kill Lizard that a lot of people have been mentioning lately.

[Silvermoth]

Bring on Electro!

[kansas boy]

I agree, Lizard and Electro, with maybe a secondary villian not yet shown. Maybe that villian is lurking in the shadows waiting to strike.

Any ideas?

[matthooper]

I'd like to see some kind of a villian team-up. Different villians hired (or created) by a powerful force to stop Spider-Man, Electro, Scorpion and The Rhino. Bring in Elisha Cuthbert as Black Cat to help.

The main thrust could have the Lizard as the sympathetic villian that Peter has to save.

[Masteryada]

I think the lizard is the most likely and i would love to see him on the big screen. I also think the chameleon could hold his own if treated right.

[JackBauer]

whoever they bring, I'd love a single scene with either Shocker or Rhino trying to rob some place (bank, museum, whatever) and have Spidey stop them. just to show that super-villains are more common than the main baddies.

as for the primary villain, I like the idea of Kraven hunting the Lizard.

[Hugebear]

I also think the chameleon could hold his own if treated right.

I agree. The Chameleon has the potential to be as good as Lex, Joker, and Magneto. Brain over muscle. :yay:

[Symbiote Hulk]

Venom and carnage

[supermarvelman]

Venom, Electro, Lizard

Venom - Eddie Brock wont become Venom until the end of the movie thats my guess, so he has to be one of the villians in SM4

Electro - Electro always gave Spidey big problem's, he could be in SM5 thought.

Lizard - He was mentioned in SM1, he was seen in SM3, he will be in SM3, I think its pretty much set up for him to be a villian in SM4, just like Venom is set up for SM4.

These 3 might be to much, so I dont know if it would be possible to have these 3 villians in the same movie. IMO, it will be Venom for sure, probably Lizard, but I honestly think they could save him for 5.

[kansas boy]

Nah, Lizard is in for SM4. Now, the 2nd villian can't be something we've already seen before. I think Electro's electricity element would make a great epic battle with Spidey. Electro will be someone Peter won't know. I'm currently writing a treatment, using the Lizard and Electro as the villians.

[Climperoonie]

Lizard and Venom-Main Villians
Scorpion-Secondary Villian
Carnage-Maybe comes in half to 3 quarters of the way through.
:sym:

[Mr Jide]

Lizard and Venom-Main Villians
Scorpion-Secondary Villian
Carnage-Maybe comes in half to 3 quarters of the way through.
:sym:

Yeah and schumacker's the director. :whatever:
This'll never happen.

[Climperoonie]

So suddenly I'm not allowed to have my own opinions?

[Mr Jide]

You clearly can't read. I didn't say you can't have your own opinions. I just disagree with what your saying and know that what you're suggesting will never happen.

[Spider-Fan]

I only want 2 villains in 4. The battle royale in SM3 will be nice, but two villains is usually the limit without going overboard. I say Lizard as the main, and someone like Kraven or Electro as the secondary.

[supermarvelman]

Venom has to be in 4, you gotta be pretty stupid to not realize, that Brock wont get the symbiote until the end of the movie. So part 4 has to have Venom, its a matter of who the other villian/s will be.

[supermarvelman]

If Electro is ever in any Spidey sequal, I see him as being the number 1 guy, he's so powerful and dangerous.
Lizard as cool as he is, I just dont see him being #1, he is a #2 guy, since he really isn't a villian. Conners is a good man, trying to do good things, the Lizard is his Hulk.

[SAV1]

I would like to see Kingpin and his Insidious Six for SM4, and not the Daredevil Kingpin (Micheal Clark Duncan).

[lizard855]

Lizard and kraven with a side villian like rhino or shocker

[FaT_tONle]

I would like to see Kingpin and his Insidious Six for SM4, and not the Daredevil Kingpin (Micheal Clark Duncan).

Can't do it... not enough villaisn have been introduced yet.... save SInister Six for Spidey 6


Lizard and kraven with a side villian like rhino or shocker

Sounds about right

[spideyman101]

Lizard & Kraven as main baddies please
Man-Spider being a twist of a bad guy (for lack of a better term)
Doc Ock and Sandman being minor baddies
Carnage being a plot-twist, cliff hanger at the very end. ;)

[lizard855]

Lizard & Kraven as main baddies please
Man-Spider being a twist of a bad guy (for lack of a better term)
Doc Ock and Sandman being minor baddies
Carnage being a plot-twist, cliff hanger at the very end. ;) Sounds Good to me

[Kraven]

I think Lizard should definately appear in SM4. He needs to sometime in these films. Other possibilities I would enjoy are Electro, Mysterio, and Kraven.

[Spade]

I would vote for Venom, but seeing at this point that it's a pipe dream I might as well vote for the Lizard.

[Cyrusbales]

I think Scorpion woul dbe amazing on-screen, with the quality they have been produceing the villains so far, imagine scorpion done well? OMG!

Also shocker is my fav thug!

Morbius would give some good character stuff, if they pursue the TAS route, that would be cool, have it effect felicia and thus peter as well as spidey.

Although as they like adding development to spiderman in each film, the first was origin, the second was the 'peter or spidey?', the third is 'symbiote', the next alteration spidey underwent really, was the man-spider. not sure that'd be good, be a bit of an incredible hulk like situation. It could work, but not sure exactly how. But with Koepp writing number 4, I think it might be alright, see what we have in terms of producers input.

[Spiderine]

I think Scorpion woul dbe amazing on-screen, with the quality they have been produceing the villains so far, imagine scorpion done well? OMG!

Also shocker is my fav thug!

Morbius would give some good character stuff, if they pursue the TAS route, that would be cool, have it effect felicia and thus peter as well as spidey.

Although as they like adding development to spiderman in each film, the first was origin, the second was the 'peter or spidey?', the third is 'symbiote', the next alteration spidey underwent really, was the man-spider. not sure that'd be good, be a bit of an incredible hulk like situation. It could work, but not sure exactly how. But with Koepp writing number 4, I think it might be alright, see what we have in terms of producers input.
Scorpion not only be cool visually but I think it gets JJJ involved a lot more in the story. Imagine Scorpion going after him as well.

[Apollo]

whats the difference between electro and shocker? i mean the name sounds like they both have electric powers

[Venom 1988]

whats the difference between electro and shocker? i mean the name sounds like they both have electric powers

Thats where your wrong. Shocker does not have electric powers. He uses shockwaves, which has nothing at all to do with electricity.

[Cyrusbales]

whats the difference between electro and shocker? i mean the name sounds like they both have electric powers

guessing your not a spidey fan then? lol.

[DTX]

If there is any SM4 of course!


I highly doubht all this ending at 3, my choices are Venom, Carnage and Lizard.

[TheReverend]

i dont think the next one should just have a new villain and thats the selling point. For me it would be cool to have Morbius in the movie with Blade showing up.

[New Shoe Smell]

I vote Mysterio or the Lizard.
Kraven? Just wouldn't fit.
Carnage? Too soon, since venom is in SM3.
Man-Wolf? Ugh.
The Rhino? Too dumb to focus a plot around.
The Shocker? Wuss.
Electro? Cool..but not quite cool enough.
The Vulture? ...maybe for SM5
But Mysterio, the plot could be about how he uses his special effects to trick and frustrate Spider-Man, then while Spider-man fights him, he pretends to get killed by Spidey, making the public hate him even more. Then they could just go from there.
The Lizard could be great. Doctor Conners was already in both movies, and I think he's in the third. The fourth could have him inject that formula to grow his arm back, and he turns into Lizard, and he could go on a killing/feeding spree in back alleys, like in Spider-Man: TORMENT.

[gamemiester]

Electro and the lizard

[New Shoe Smell]

whats the difference between electro and shocker? i mean the name sounds like they both have electric powers
Hmm, I dunno...
Maybe the difference in costume design and personality, Electro being an arrogant dick (Much like yourself), and The Shocker being a wuss.
Maybe the fact that The Shocker uses Shockwaves, not electricity.
That would be the difference.

[HUMAN]

I can see the three villain formula working for Spider-Man 4. The Lizard, Carnage, and Scream. Eventually Conners would overcome his Lizardy instincts and help his pupil when needed most.

Carnage and Scream together would make a fantastic team. I could see them playing with Scream's origin a little to suit the film to where she was originally a partner in crime with Kleatus Cassady. It would also make a great opportunity to give Spider-Man 4 the credit as being the darkest film in the series thus far.

Sense the symbiote keeps perpetual images/memories of it's past hosts, I could see Carnage and Scream knowing about Peter/Spider-Man and using his family (Aunt May, wife MJ) against him. Maybe throw a monumental death in there with Aunt May or Gwen Stacey.

With the Lizard use Conners as the man who has everything then it's lost. Maybe his wife and kids are killed in a car wreck and he begins to get obsessed with human regeneration. It could be a bizzare reflection of what Peter's life could become if he's not careful.

[Mr Jide]

whats the difference between electro and shocker? i mean the name sounds like they both have electric powers

Shocker has nothing to do with electricity. He blasts things/people with rapid air-vibrations. Electro, well you already know about him.

As for the villains in sm4. I say, have shocker as a minor thug for spidey to take down at the start and at the end of the movie,(comic relief) whilst the central villains should be the lizard and kraven.

Kraven's first target is spder-man (enter a re-immaginning of KLH) coupled with his desire to take down his secondary target, the lizard. This has so much potential to be so awesome. I'd love to see kraven interact, wrestle and have animals such as lions and bears come to his aid. Imagine, spidey taking and slugging it out with lions and bears. Awesome.

[Advanced Dark]

I wanna see Kraven & The Punisher with a supporting small role. I realize Punisher is at LGF but if they don't get their act together on the Punisher sequel soon marvel will get the rights back in 2-3 years.

[Shadow_Knight]

I would say Lizard, I would like to see how Lizard would look and how the plot of him would turn out if they had him.

[2nzy]

should be the lizard
lizard an venom
leading to carnage

i wanna see lizard,venom,carnage,mysterio,electro,scorpion,hob goblin:woot:
an bring tha kingpin!

[Mr. Socko]

Now that they've gone down the path of multiple villains, they can't turn back now. So future sequels will probably have 2 or more villains. I'm hoping for Lizard as the main villain in the next one, with maybe Shocker as a supporter.

And we definitely should have Kingpin!

[GoldGoblin]

SM4:villains:Shocker,Lizard,Kraven,Rhino

The movie should open with spidey fighting Shocker,the Lizard as the main villain,Kraven shows up in the middle of the movie after seeing news footage of the Lizard.

^Lizard kills Kraven,and spidey turns the Lizard back into Dr.Connors.The end of the movie is where Peter is at a courthouse as a photographer taking pics of a big criminal case.

Outside as a lawyer is getting into his car,Peter's spidey sense goes off,and you see all these cars being thrown around as the Rhino is charging his way through the parking lot to crash into the lawyer's car.

As the Rhino is about to pull the lawyer out of his crushed car,spidey fights the Rhino,and saves the lawyer.

The lawyer tells spidey thanks,but the Kingpin is gonna keep sending his thugs after him until he is dead.

Spidey finds out that there is this Kingpin character who is very dangerous,and the lawyer sent the Kingpin's son to jail.

The lawyer says that he is leaving the city,and he suggests that spidey does the same,because the Kingpin's son is in a hidden prison in N.Y. somewhere,and the Kingpin is gonna destroy the city to find him.


SM5:villains:Chameleon,Scorpion,Electro,Silver Sable,SHIELD agents

The movie should open as Peter is getting ready for work as Peter/MJ are in their apartment.MJ is packing her bags,reminding Peter when their flight to California is,making sure he doesn't miss the flight,because they spent all their money on these tickets and if he misses the flight he won't see her until six months after she is finished filming from the movie that she is gonna be in.

At the Daily Bugle JJJ tells Peter that he has a huge job for him.

Peter is in a museum taking pics of the President of the United States being honored for something there.

All of a sudden Peter sees the Chameleon disguised as spidey holding a laser pistol in his hands leaning out the air vent in the ceiling.The Chameleon shoots the President with his laser pistol,but John Jameson tries to jump in the way to protect the President.

But because it wasn't a regular bullet but a laser,the blast went through John and also the President,killing them both.

All around the world are reports of how spidey has assassinated the President of the United States.

Some time has gone by,and Peter is gonna miss his plane.The only way for him to be there on time is to web swing,but he is a little hesitant to do it,as he is a marked man at the time.

But he takes the chance,because if he misses that flight,he won't see MJ for six months.As spidey is web swinging to the airport,the Scorpion is on the rooftops looking for spidey.

JJJ created him after spidey killed his son John.

The Scorpion sees spidey land on the airplane,and make his way in from the landing gear.spidey changes,and sits by MJ telling her everything that has happened.

As the plane is in the air,the Scorpion is on the outside of it destroying the engines trying to get spidey to come out and face him.

Peter quickly changes into his costume as everyone is distracted,and makes his way out on top of the airplane where spidey fights the Scorpion as the passengers all watch from their windows.

In the fight spidey is knocked off the plane by the Scorpion's tail.Spidey uses his webs to make a parachute,but the Scorpion slams into him ripping the web chute causing it to make them fall faster.

They land in the back of a truck that is on the freeway where they have a huge brawl.

After the fight Peter realizes how he has missed his flight,and that he won't see MJ for six months.

Then spidey is against SHIELD agents,and Silver Sable.

Nick Fury and SHIELD has come to N.Y. in the Helicarrier,as well as Silver Sable who is an assassin who Nick Fury is working with hired to help him and SHIELD hunt spidey down.

As the Helicarrier is hovering over N.Y. the Chameleon makes his way onto the base in disguise as a fellow SHIELD agent.The Chameleon kills other agents while he makes his way to a holding cell that is holding a certain character (Electro)that can help get Kingpin's son out of the hidden prison.

The Chameleon tells Electro that the Kingpin has sent him here to free him if he will do him a favor.Electro says he will do anything to be free.The Chameleon says the Kingpin wants him to cause a blackout,even sucking the electricity out of every single generator.

Electro says that he can only do something like that for ten minutes tops otherwise it will make him pass out.The Chameleon says that is all the time they need.

Electro says deal then.The Chamelon and Electro are making there way off the Helicarrier killing SHILED agents along the way.Until a Nick Fury shows up,and ends up killing Chameleon.

But Electro escapes,and the first thing he does being free is causes the blackout.The hidden base where Kingpin's son is being held,the power releases him,as well as the other few inmates who are being held there.

Nick Fury sees that the dead Chameleon from security cameras was a shapeshifter from a hologram device that he had on him.And Nick Fury puts 2 to 2 together.

Realizing that spidey is innocent,that this was a trick to get the Helicarrier here where Electro was being held on it to cause the blackout so Kingpin's son can escape the secret prison.(but other dangerous villains are there as well)

Nick Fury calls off the SHIELD agents as well as Silver Sable.


Spidey fights Electro in a huge fight while goverment agents are reporting on the news that spidey didn't kill the president,that it was a hired thug called the Chameleon and explaining why he did it.


SM6:villains:Kingpin,and the Sinister Six

In the movie version just make the Kingpin's son one of the members of the Sinister Six.Lets say the Hobgoblin.When Harry Oscorp died the Kingpin got his hands on the business,and his son came upon the Goblin equipment.

MJ is all done filming and she is coming home,but a stalker is also coming home with her.A guy who she worked with(Quentin Beck/Mysterio)

Also the other villains who were locked up with Kingpin's son was HydroMan,Doc Ock,and Vulture.

Anyway Kingpin gets them to join together to kill spidey,telling them that he is the only person who can send then back there to rot.

Mysterio finds out that Peter is spidey when he is stalking MJ so he joins the team,but keeps spidey's identity to himself.

The sixth member of the Sinister Six could be a spider slayer.

After spidey defeats the Sinister Six,spidey makes his way to Kingpin where they go at it.

The movie ends with Peter and MJ getting married.

[Cyrusbales]

I really wanna see the sinister six, but yeah, the characters do need an introduction. The Kraven and Lizard idea works well for me, perhaps Krave sees how well spidey handles the Lizard and decides that Spidey is who he should be hunting....

[GoldGoblin]

I was watching the Predator,and Predator 2,and was thinking how Kraven could be like that.He could have a camouflage that makes him invisible,steel net,a spear,a laser gun,super strength,and agility,etc.

[Cyrusbales]

I was watching the Predator,and Predator 2,and was thinking how Kraven could be like that.He could have a camouflage that makes him invisible,steel net,a spear,a laser gun,super strength,and agility,etc.

I don't like idea of any technology for Kraven though!

[Hobgoblin-demon]

I want it to be combination of carnage, venom, kraven, and scorpion

[GoldGoblin]

I don't like idea of any technology for Kraven though!

^
But making Kraven like the Predator is the only way to make him cool in the movie.

[Advanced Dark]

^ He'd need some technology but if he's all about "the game" he wouldn't want anything that would give him TOO unfair of an advantage. Spidey vs Predator would be fun though. :)

[Advanced Dark]

If there is any SM4 of course!

Spider-Man 4 isn't in question. It's gonna happen guaranteed. Sony doesn't "own" the rights...they're on lease. They can't just sit on them. They "MUST" make sequels or they lose the rights. Period. Same with X-Men, etc...However Fox can just make a Wolverine pic to extend the rights.

[Cyrusbales]

Eek, c'mon people, that'd be making him a diff character! I'm absolutley sure that keeping him as a natural born hunter, with retro technology is the way to go. It keeps him the same character etc. It's not as if spidey doesn't have enough enemies with tech suits...

[GoldGoblin]

Eek, c'mon people, that'd be making him a diff character! I'm absolutley sure that keeping him as a natural born hunter, with retro technology is the way to go. It keeps him the same character etc. It's not as if spidey doesn't have enough enemies with tech suits...

^
But the Predator's weapons look primitive and futuristic at the same time.Kraven should wear animal skins on his body,but that wouldn't be good camouflage for a hunter,and hunter's wear camouflage,so why not a device that makes him blend into his environment.

Maybe he could also have some regular weapons as well,like a bowie knife,but he should definitely have some tech epuipment also.

[Cyrusbales]

^
But the Predator's weapons look primitive and futuristic at the same time.Kraven should wear animal skins on his body,but that wouldn't be good camouflage for a hunter,and hunter's wear camouflage,so why not a device that makes him blend into his environment.

Maybe he could also have some regular weapons as well,like a bowie knife,but he should definitely have some tech epuipment also.

He was about natural things though, wearing a camo-tech suit seems wrong. Perhaps he could wear different outfits, like a business man or something, to conceal himself in public. It's about cunning, not technology, I think that would take so much away from the character.

[GoldGoblin]

He was about natural things though, wearing a camo-tech suit seems wrong. Perhaps he could wear different outfits, like a business man or something, to conceal himself in public. It's about cunning, not technology, I think that would take so much away from the character.

^I wasn't thinking about a tech suit that makes him invisible,I was thinking about a button on his belt buckle that makes him able to do it.That way he could wear the animal skins,and look more like the classic Kraven character.

And I wasn't plan on having him stay invisible during the entire fight,just at times in the fight.Like when spidey's spidey sense goes off,spidey has no clue where to dodge the incoming danger,he just knows it's coming.

[Cyrusbales]

^I wasn't thinking about a tech suit that makes him invisible,I was thinking about a button on his belt buckle that makes him able to do it.That way he could wear the animal skins,and look more like the classic Kraven character.

And I wasn't plan on having him stay invisible during the entire fight,just at times in the fight.Like when spidey's spidey sense goes off,spidey has no clue where to dodge the incoming danger,he just knows it's coming.


having a mysterious button makes it a little like mysterio though. And it's still technology based. Kraven's skill is his tracking and stuff, he doesn't need technology to make himself invisibile as he's so good at hunting and tracking

[Advanced Dark]

I'd like to see Frank Castle & Peter Parker both being hunted by Kraven at the same time...same place. Castle wants to Kill Kraven, and Spiderman want's to just stop him...and stop Castle from killing him. :)

[GoldGoblin]

having a mysterious button makes it a little like mysterio though. And it's still technology based. Kraven's skill is his tracking and stuff, he doesn't need technology to make himself invisibile as he's so good at hunting and tracking

^
But people wouldn't like Kraven if he was exactly like the comics,especially after seeing GG,Doc Ock,NG,Sandman,and Venom.Invisibility is just tech camouflage,so why can't Kraven have it,he is a hunter and hunters do wear camouflage.

The entire belt could be the equipment that makes him do it,and the button on the belt buckle activates it.

[Cyrusbales]

^
But people wouldn't like Kraven if he was exactly like the comics,especially after seeing GG,Doc Ock,NG,Sandman,and Venom.Invisibility is just tech camouflage,so why can't Kraven have it,he is a hunter and hunters do wear camouflage.

The entire belt could be the equipment that makes him do it,and the button on the belt buckle activates it.

People would be like, utility belt = batman.

I can understand minor changes to characters, but that would be monumental! I think that they should go with classic Kraven, or to be honest, not even bother anymore. Seems like a waste of time, unless they make him like Chapel in the Spawn cartoons, where he's like a tribal hunter almost, uses his own stealth and skills, so he doesn't need any tools.

[GoldGoblin]

People would be like, utility belt = batman.

I can understand minor changes to characters, but that would be monumental! I think that they should go with classic Kraven, or to be honest, not even bother anymore. Seems like a waste of time, unless they make him like Chapel in the Spawn cartoons, where he's like a tribal hunter almost, uses his own stealth and skills, so he doesn't need any tools.

^
Since Kraven wears animal furs from animals that he has hunted,how about he has tech equipment that he has taken from human prey that he has hunted.

[Advanced Dark]

^ It could end with Spidey following him down an elevator shaft to his flying saucer.

[Cyrusbales]

^
Since Kraven wears animal furs from animals that he has hunted,how about he has tech equipment that he has taken from human prey that he has hunted.


How about human skins? I'm really not digging the technology thing. Kraven was like a counter-point for the villains like the goblins and mysterio who had loads of equipment and tech. Kraven was just immensely skilled. The last thing we need is more tech, the back to basics thing of Kraven would act as a great contrast to what we've had in the series so far. HE doesn't need to be able to turn invisible, he can move silently and swiftly, stalking his prey without even being detected....

[GoldGoblin]

^ It could end with Spidey following him down an elevator shaft to his flying saucer.

^
:woot:

[Advanced Dark]

Too bad Kingpin is tied up with New Regency till 2008 along w/Daredevil & Elektra. I'd like to see Spidey deal with him too. Actually I want a Kingpin mini-series on HBO ala Sopranos.

[GoldGoblin]

How about human skins? I'm really not digging the technology thing. Kraven was like a counter-point for the villains like the goblins and mysterio who had loads of equipment and tech. Kraven was just immensely skilled. The last thing we need is more tech, the back to basics thing of Kraven would act as a great contrast to what we've had in the series so far. HE doesn't need to be able to turn invisible, he can move silently and swiftly, stalking his prey without even being detected....

^
A guy in animal skins who just has super strength/agilty who can pop up out of no where at times wouldn't be mind blowing.We haven't seen a villain that can turn invisible,and it would make things more exciting.

You sound like you want Kraven to be like an Ewok:woot: and I want him to be like the Predator.Which one do you think people would like to see more.

[Advanced Dark]

Unless a little piece of the symbiote attaches to Kraven making him: Kravenom.

[GoldGoblin]

Unless a little piece of the symbiote attaches to Kraven making him: Kravenom.

^
Yeah that's what there doing when they have the symbiote survive at the end of SM3,and everyone thought they were getting Carnage:woot:

[Cyrusbales]

Kraven doesn't need to wear skins, but shouldn't ever have technology. The man was like 'wow, a crossbow', an invisible suit would be like WTF!!!!

How would he have better tech that Oscorp, when he's been living in the african jungle's and plains?

He would wear clothes suitable for an urban environment, just blacks and greys, not an invisible suit, it's just ridiculous!

[Canadian Rider]

They have set up the Lizard in 2, but we will have to see what is revealed in 3.

I would love to see Kraven ... the Hunter and Spidey caught ... that was a great storyline.

[Cyrusbales]

They have set up the Lizard in 2, but we will have to see what is revealed in 3.

I would love to see Kraven ... the Hunter and Spidey caught ... that was a great storyline.


What's your view on how to portray Kraven? The whole techno-kraven thing sucks to me, give me back up here?

[Canadian Rider]

I would say that if you look at his character, you can pull from it and be traditional with some give and take.

For example, he can wear the full clothing for most scenes, but in the hunting scenes he needs the vest. Bare chested with the vest overtop and some pants is fine.

Techno is not him. It would be against his character. I don't think the belt of pouches is bad, but certainly he can have the stuff tucked into the vest.

Let me post some images for discussion ...

[Cyrusbales]

Good man, but turning him into predator makes him a whole new frickin' character!!!!

make him a little like Chapel from spawn, but more feral

[Canadian Rider]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/BigDog5652004/jul13-2842232006.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/BigDog5652004/49spider01.jpg

This is how we most often see him portrayed.

I think it can work and work well. It is old school, he is well known and with the right treatment he can "blend" in without the need for tech.

Most often he hunted Spidey at night or in the dark and his clothing aided him in that it blended in on the rooftop shadows so he could use his distance weapons ...

IMO ... :yay:

[Cyrusbales]

his skill makes him deadly, not any technology

[Canadian Rider]

Indeed ...

The cool thing is I have a suggestion for who could play him well.

Suave, Debonair ... and deadly with a rifle ...

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o212/BigDog5652004/kraven.jpg :wow:

The Russian accent is not that hard to pick up ... and he had the right physique and age ...

just a fanboy thought of course but it would make for great drama.

No tech. All skill indeed ...

[Cyrusbales]

as gay as this sounds, I need to him topless first.... lol

[Canadian Rider]

in the day ...

http://www.kimcm.dk/4fun/hotornot/Images/TomSelleck.jpg

[Cyrusbales]

i remember him from her alibi, good actor, not sure if he's too old, especially since this wouldn't happen till at least 2008 :(

[Canadian Rider]

True enough.

Of course there is always Ron Perlman.

Dude has the physique and is also the right age range.

THAT would be something ... can you not see him crouched on a roof with a rifle on spidey?

I go with Tom only because he is the unexpected casting.

Ron P. would definitely deliver thought too ...

Perhaps one of the Manip masters can add something to the discussion ...

BRUTAL ? Ron P as Kraven?

[GoldGoblin]

I was watching behind the scenes of 300 on HBO,and Gerard Butler with the beard fighting with a spear,he just look like he would be a good Kraven.Maybe Kraven doesn't have to have tech equipment to be cool.

They should make Kraven like the guy from 300.

[DTX]

Well, Kraven's currently at the bottom of my list as he has been since his first appearance.....sooo...Lizard it is, then.....

[Advanced Dark]

Lizard seems like a big downgrade from Venom, Doc Ock and even The Goblin. I like Kraven cause he's so much more different than the typical super-villain.

[Superhero 101]

Heres what i think the villians should be Lizard Carnage Electro

Lizard-well it is kinda obvious

Carnage Curt Connors had created a rejuvenating symbiotic suit After a series of mishaps, the suit went missing, and Connors worried that years of work had been destroyed. But a new opportunity presented itself. After an injury, Peter Parker sought out Connors' help in treating his wounds, and Connors ended up with a sample of Spider-Man's genetically altered blood. He used the blood to create a new organism based partly on the Venom This is like the Ultimate Spiderman arc and Carnage kills gwen

Electro- Well i really don't know about him. But i think he is a kick ass villian

[Spiderine]

Lizard seems like a big downgrade from Venom, Doc Ock and even The Goblin. I like Kraven cause he's so much more different than the typical super-villain.
Not really.... Lizard can be just as interesting and exciting for the story that can be told. And put Kraven in for the chase.

[Superhero 101]

I think Connors creating Carnage would be great!!! He probably uses the lil piece from The symbiote that pete shows Connors in the new trailer and Boom Carnage!!!

[Spiderine]

Ummmm..no.

[GoldGoblin]

Kraven would have super strength and agility,but his weapons could be:

1.elbow and knee pads that have spikes on them,but the spikes are actual bones or teeth from something that he has killed.

2.A bowie knife.

3.A mini crossbow that is strapped to his forearm that can shoot a poison arrow when ever he raises his arm.

4.A whip that has a mini blade at the tip of it.

5.A sawed off double barrel shotgun that is strapped to his back shoulder,and is used like a powerful handgun.(Like Mad Max)

6.Dust he takes out of his pouch and blows in someone's face to disorient them.Or the dust could come out of his vest when someone grabs onto him.

7.A spear where inside the handle is dynamite,and a fuse sticks out of the bottom of the handle.He sticks them with the spear,then lights the fuse.

8.Throwing knives.

9.One of those rope thowing things with a ball on each end of it that ties someone up after there hit with it.

[Cyrusbales]

number 9 is a bolas btw.

I don't like the shotgun idea or the dynamite, and he doesn't realy have super strength as such, more like height of human phyique strength.

[Advanced Dark]

I just don't see much interesting about The Lizard after Sandman, Venom, Goblin 1,2, and Doc Ock. I mean does everyone Peter runs into turn into a Supervillain? How come they didn't before he got bit by a Spider? Hmmm. ;)

[spideyman101]

I just don't see much interesting about The Lizard after Sandman, Venom, Goblin 1,2, and Doc Ock. I mean does everyone Peter runs into turn into a Supervillain? How come they didn't before he got bit by a Spider? Hmmm. ;)

if your so much of a "Marvel Demon", then stop bashing Spidey.

Who knows, maybe their were supervillains before he became Spidey. We're not told anything much about before he became Spidey.

[Virus276]

I just don't see much interesting about The Lizard after Sandman, Venom, Goblin 1,2, and Doc Ock. I mean does everyone Peter runs into turn into a Supervillain? How come they didn't before he got bit by a Spider? Hmmm. ;)

Because before he was bitten he was in a sense a nobody but now he is meeting important people involved in major projects that tend to go wrong. In short he was a nobody now he's a somebody. Oh also I'm not very knowlegable about Spidey but didnt he know Norman and Harry before hand.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yes he knew them before... That's my point. It's just funny that's all. I'm just nitpicking to kill time. Also I'm not bashing Spideyman101 if you knew me...you'd know that. However I think if they used Lizard as the villain next it'd just be kind of like. Meh. I wouldn't mind seeing (like someone suggested) Parker and Connors abducted and thrown onto some Island hunted by Kraven.

[GoldGoblin]

^ Yes he knew them before... That's my point. It's just funny that's all. I'm just nitpicking to kill time. Also I'm not bashing Spideyman101 if you knew me...you'd know that. However I think if they used Lizard as the villain next it'd just be kind of like. Meh. I wouldn't mind seeing (like someone suggested) Parker and Connors abducted and thrown onto some Island hunted by Kraven.

^
Parker and Connors abducted on an island,is it because Kraven thinks one of them is the Lizard or that one of them is spidey and the Lizard turns out to be a surprise for Kraven?

[Cyrusbales]

if you want someone who was a villain before spidey was around, how about morlum...

[Mr Jide]

Kraven and the lizard for sm4.

Imagine seeing kraven besieged by bears, lions, elephants and other wild animals ready to take down spider-man...that would be too sick.

[Venom'sDad]

Basically, whats in my sig... minus Carnage. I'm not quite sure on him as a yet, but whos to say that another meteorite with a Symbiote didn't land somewhere.... maybe even near CK while he was disposing the body of one of his victims, in the same fields Flint was running through or the park that Peter & MJ was in. Who knows, I just see that possibility.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Something I've been pondering on: In the novelization of Spider-Man 3, Peter brought a sample of the symbiote to Curtis Connors. What happens to the symbiote is never revealed in the novel. Look out! Could mean if enough fans whine about it, we'll see Ultimate Carnage!

And if Mr. Raimi is still on, maybe he'll push for Vulture, since he wanted him in Spider-Man 3.

[Spiderine]

Something I've been pondering on: In the novelization of Spider-Man 3, Peter brought a sample of the symbiote to Curtis Connors. What happens to the symbiote is never revealed in the novel. Look out! Could mean if enough fans whine about it, we'll see Ultimate Carnage!

And if Mr. Raimi is still on, maybe he'll push for Vulture, since he wanted him in Spider-Man 3.
Was that really true, he originally wanted the Vulture.

[Venom 1988]

Was that really true, he originally wanted the Vulture.

Yea

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[Venom'sDad]

Something I've been pondering on: In the novelization of Spider-Man 3, Peter brought a sample of the symbiote to Curtis Connors. What happens to the symbiote is never revealed in the novel. Look out! Could mean if enough fans whine about it, we'll see Ultimate Carnage!

And if Mr. Raimi is still on, maybe he'll push for Vulture, since he wanted him in Spider-Man 3.
That a pretty good thought, but I think it may have been destroyed with one of the test(sonic or thermal), or it simply died from lack of nurishment. The Symbiote feeds off its host(a la Eddie being consumed) while retaining its essence. It apparently can survive for a time(like a reptile) without feeding again. Just a thought.

[Spiderine]

Yea

In The Spider-Man Chronicles, author and Spider-Man 3 producer Grant Curtis provides unmatched insider access to the devoted Spider-Man fan. Curtis has hand selected a phenomenal collection of unpublished concept art, sketches, models, and his own behind-the-scenes photography, and pairs these brilliant visuals with his detailed account of how the film was made-from the story and casting to the costumes, production, and special effects. Everything that the serious fan wants is here: early story notes on Vulture, who was later replaced by Venom; shooting locations in Los Angeles,

http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-Chronicles-Art-Making-3/dp/0811857778/ref=sr_1_4/103-1231617-4767044?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174173521&sr=1-4
Hmmm....that is interesting. Makes me wonder had we gotten a movie with sandman and vulture with perhaps Peter getting the symbiote. I know it really doesn't matter now but I do wonder what that would have meant for Venom had they went that route.

[GoldGoblin]

^Basically Venom would of got more screen time,but he wouldn't of had any depth which could of made SM4 bomb.

[Venom'sDad]

GoldGoblin, I'm interested to know, why you want Scorpion in SM4, or why you believe he's a good choice for the film.

[venom628]

Carnage lizard and venom should be the villains for SM4.

[Morgoth]

I have a feeling Venom's going to continue into 4, maybe have Elektro as a secondary villian, if they keep going with more than one bad guy.

Or maybe like in the Ultimate book, have Spidey fighting the Shocker in the beginning, maybe have Webhead foil a bank robbery that he is comitting.

Just a few thoughts.

[GoldGoblin]

GoldGoblin, I'm interested to know, why you want Scorpion in SM4, or why you believe he's a good choice for the film.

^
I was thinking you have spidey vs the Lizard at the beginning of the first half of the movie,then Kraven shows up in the middle of the movie.Where we see a fight where all three fight each other at the same time.

Somewhere in the fight the Lizard kills John Jameson and Kraven,and spidey turns the Lizard back into Dr.Connors.I was thinking the start of the fight could be in Dr.Connors lab where Peter is helping him with an experiment when John Jameson comes into the room to confront Peter about MJ.

And during this time Dr.Connors is having a seizure where he is about to turn into the Lizard,and as Dr.Connors is about to inject himself with the antidote he and Peter has just made,Kraven breaks through the window which causes Dr.Connors to drop the syringe and it gets lost with all the broken glass on the floor.

Then The Lizard appears where John Jameson sees that Peter is spidey for just a split second until the Lizard kills him.And then we see a three way fight where spidey,Lizard,and Kraven all fight each other at the same time until the Lizard kills Kraven and spidey defeats the Lizard by curing Dr.Connors with the injection of the syringe.

Then on the last half of the movie you see how college students saying to reporters on the news how they came to the room when they heard all the noise just as they got there,they saw spidey going out the window where a dead John Jameson is lying.

JJJ blames spidey for the death,and creates the Scorpion where we see a spidey vs Scorpion fight.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

^
I was thinking you have spidey vs the Lizard at the beginning of the first half of the movie,then Kraven shows up in the middle of the movie.Where we see a fight where all three fight each other at the same time.

Somewhere in the fight the Lizard kills John Jameson and Kraven,and spidey turns the Lizard back into Dr.Connors.I was thinking the start of the fight could be in Dr.Connors lab where Peter is helping him with an experiment when John Jameson comes into the room to confront Peter about MJ.

And during this time Dr.Connors is having a seizure where he is about to turn into the Lizard,and as Dr.Connors is about to inject himself with the antidote he and Peter has just made,Kraven breaks through the window which causes Dr.Connors to drop the syringe and it gets lost with all the broken glass on the floor.

Then The Lizard appears where John Jameson sees that Peter is spidey for just a split second until the Lizard kills him.And then we see a three way fight where spidey,Lizard,and Kraven all fight each other at the same time until the Lizard kills Kraven and spidey defeats the Lizard by curing Dr.Connors with the injection of the syringe.

Then on the last half of the movie you see how college students saying to reporters on the news how they came to the room when they heard all the noise just as they got there,they saw spidey going out the window where a dead John Jameson is lying.

JJJ blames spidey for the death,and creates the Scorpion where we see a spidey vs Scorpion fight.

^It all sounds great, sans Kraven. I think Lizard and Scorpion would suffice.

And Venom'sDad, I was just making a joke to tease those who think the symbiote's fate leaves no way for Carnage to appear. :woot:

[Tails]

Here's an article that came out today and says Morlun will be the villian.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Exclusive-Spider-Man-4-Villain-Revealed-4739.html

[GoldGoblin]

Here's an article that came out today and says Morlun will be the villian.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Exclusive-Spider-Man-4-Villain-Revealed-4739.html

^
That would be a huge mistake.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

^
That would be a huge mistake.
Yup. If so, this movie's take could drop faster than the attendance levels at an Avril Lavigne concert.

[Spiderine]

I wouldn't put anything into this.

[Parquagh]

I say Lizard, but I found here something about Morlun.... http://www.esmas.com/espectaculos/cine/613823.html

anyone has a more reliable source?

[yugh2]

I say bring on the clone saga. How cool would it be to see scarlet spider on the big screen.

[Gotham22]

most likely Lizard since Dr. Conners was in the second film and is in the upcoming third film.

[zeptron]

I would say that the most likely candidates of villains in future Spidey movies would be:

Lizard - 99.9% sure
Carnage - almost as positive as Lizard, but only because they have already set up the symbiote storyline
Electro - 60% sure (he's something new, and is popular among comic-book fans)
Venom - 60% sure (he's what fans want)
Vulture - 40% sure (only if Raimi is directing, because he had mentioned that he enjoyed reading about Vulture)
Rhino or Shocker - 10% sure (if they ever have an opening scene with Spidey kicking some dumbass around)

So, the main villains would almost positively be either Lizard, Carnage, Electro, or maybe even a return of Eddie/Venom. And the only reason I didn't mention Hobgoblin or Demogoblin is because I feel that after Harry, they're gonna be done with the whole "goblin" thing.

[Venom'sDad]

IMO, one cannot discount the use of Rod Kingsley/HobGoblin from the context of future stories. Simply because of the millionare and CEO of a military/engineering/research/manufacturing company, that would be responsible for creating alot of these villains. Kingsley is a businessman that could do this, especially if he either buys & take-over Oscorps, or discover their technology & secrets as his own.

[BxB402]

Morlun in SM4, huh? Most likely a BS story.

IMO having a vampire-esque villain in Spider-man 4 would be a HUGE mistake. there are plenty of other Spidey villains out there to be making sequels as good or better than the others for a long time. For SM4 Lizard is the obvious choice for one, since they have already started, and are continuing in sm3, the build up of the Dr. Connors charachter. I would love to see more multiple villain movies as well, it will work better than just one per movie. In that aspect SM3 is going to be great, even if it's not exactly like the comics. Bit part villains would be excellent too, as in they are not part of the main story, but pop up for a fight, as if they are just part of the criminal element.

IMAGINE(just an example) in SM4 have The Lizard as the main rampaging villain, maybe add another more personal or "highly dangerous master plan" type villain, and then just have an enemy show up at the beginning or something for a seemingly "every day battle with crime and crazy people". Have one or multiple villains as an element of crime moreso than the big personal dramatic enemies he has faced so far. Shocker or Rhino work well for this. Shocker and Rhino don't need big story arcs and drawn out dramatic personalization in good spidey movie, all they need is a good fight scene cameo and an end that that leaves them open to return someday, sooner or later. Make them seem like criminals with special equipment doing what regular criminals would, which in most cases Rhino and Shocker were.

We can only really guess at what could be in store for SM4, or if they find a "Worse/GoodEnough/better" replacement for those leaving the series(if they do). But the demand for spiderman films will only grow after 3, and slacking off and making a horribly done 4, with stupid villains(such as Morbius or Morlun or Man-wolf)would be an incredibly bad move.
We Want Superhero/SuperVillain action not vampires and werewolves! Lets see Scorpion, Vulture, Shocker, Rhino, Mysterio, Hob-Goblin(non-osbourn goblin), Kraven, Chameleon, Electro, More Venom(if possible)or Carnage(which if done right, could stay PG13 and still show the murderous psychotic craziness that is Kassiday) i could go on about what makes these villains worthy for sequels to come. I just think using werewolf and vampire villains would be a horrible mistake for continuing the movie series. Guess we will just have to look to the future and hope to the fates that if Raimi doesn't return the notoriously retarded movie companies and nutbar directors(xmen3 anyone?) don't completely screw up what is about to be one of few amazing trilogys, and if followed up sincerely by a director that really cares about the series, charachters and mythology and not just making it "unique", become one of the nearly non-existant excellent quadrilogy or plus series.**crosses fingers**

BTW. For SM4 my top votes go to The Lizard(which is the most likely) and either Carnage(wet dream anyone?) Scorpion or Vulture. Of course also including a cameo from Rhino or Shocker like i previously stated in my overinflated rant. :woot:

[GoldGoblin]

IMO, one cannot discount the use of Rod Kingsley/HobGoblin from the context of future stories. Simply because of the millionare and CEO of a military/engineering/research/manufacturing company, that would be responsible for creating alot of these villains. Kingsley is a businessman that could do this, especially if he either buys & take-over Oscorps, or discover their technology & secrets as his own.

^
:up:

[zeptron]

The Gibbon
The Grizzly
The Squid
Spider-clone
Jackal
The Walrus
White Rabbit
Stegron
The Spot
Rocket Racer
Hypno-Hustler
Slyde
Big Wheel
Silvermane
Hammerhead
Tombstone
Molten-Man
Razorback
Prowler
Will O' The Wisp
Chance
The Puma
Vermin
Shriek
Kaine
Judas Traveller
Scrier

...The most obscure Spidey foes who will not and should not be in #4.

[Spiderine]

What about Puma?

[GoldGoblin]

The Gibbon
The Grizzly
The Squid
Spider-clone
Jackal
The Walrus
White Rabbit
Stegron
The Spot
Rocket Racer
Hypno-Hustler
Slyde
Big Wheel
Silvermane
Hammerhead
Tombstone
Molten-Man
Razorback
Prowler
Will O' The Wisp
Chance
The Puma
Vermin
Shriek
Kaine
Judas Traveller
Scrier

...The most obscure Spidey foes who will not and should not be in #4.


^The Prowler could actually be cool.

[Grievous]

maybe Scorpion,Shocker,Lizard

[pjspider1C]

When Spider-Man 4 comes around, and if they keep the current storyline from the previous movies, my predictions for Spider-Man 4 would be The Lizard and Black Cat. Dr. Connors has been in 2 and 3, it makes sense to go down that road. And Black Cat was in one of the early scripts for Spider-Man 2, so they might look at bringing her back.

If Raimi sticks around, we know he likes to use villians whose face you can see (that was one of the things about the 1st Green Goblin that he wasn't too fond of) and who is also visually interesting.

And if those two villians aren't enough, I'd put my vote in for Electro. I think they could do some bad-ass things with him.

[Mr Jide]

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing spidy turning into man-spider.

[RaZaTrOn]

I think Morlun wouldn't be that bad, I trust Raimi 100% in making a successful Spidey movie and i think he would make Morlun an interesting villain one which won't disappoint anyone. So if he is the villain it wouldn't bother me. Sure there are other villains i would really like to see but I'm not going to complain if i don't see them. As long as it's a good interesting movie.

[pjspider1C]

I think Morlun wouldn't be that bad, I trust Raimi 100% in making a successful Spidey movie and i think he would make Morlun an interesting villain one which won't disappoint anyone. So if he is the villain it wouldn't bother me. Sure there are other villains i would really like to see but I'm not going to complain if i don't see them. As long as it's a good interesting movie.

Morlun would be cool to see. However, the only reason they won't do it is because he's too new and there's a whole back-log of classic rogue gallery villains that people have been waiting 30+ years to see. Even Venom is almost 20 years old. Morlun's only been around for what... 2 years?

[Advanced Dark]

Kraven damnit.

[The Geek Vault]

I heard from my sister that if they did make a 4th movie, They said they would use Morlun... ugh

[kansas boy]

SM4 should have The Lizard and Electro. Why Electro, because his powers are visually stimulating and Spidey hasn't faced something like this. Now, we all know why the Lizard should be next in line for SM4.

Basically Spider-man would have to face a real monster(Lizard) and Electricity(Electro)

[pjspider1C]

SM4 should have The Lizard and Electro. Why Electro, because his powers are visually stimulating and Spidey hasn't faced something like this. Now, we all know why the Lizard should be next in line for SM4.

Basically Spider-man would have to face a real monster(Lizard) and Electricity(Electro)

I agree. But I also think they should throw in Black Cat to add some turmoil to his relationship with Mary Jane or Gwen Stacy... whoever it may be.

[pooh912]

I Dont Wanna See Blackcat It Would Take Awy From Lizards And Electros Screen Time

[pooh912]

I Dont Wanna See Blackcat It Would Take Awy From Lizards And Electros Screen Time

[pjspider1C]

Well, she's a prominent figure in the Spidey universe. And she was in one of the early drafts of Spider-Man 2. I wouldn't be surprised if they revisited the idea of bringing her to the films.

[GoldGoblin]

Black Cat could be cool,if they make her have a new look,and make her a villain instead of an ally.It might be cool to have a female villain.

[SlyDark Star]

Aw Hell! There's no Norman Osborn/Green Goblin choice!

[SlyDark Star]

I heard from my sister that if they did make a 4th movie, They said they would use Morlun... ugh



Is that crap spreading everywhere?

[pooh912]

This Is A Good Idea Read It I Made It

Opening Scene Is Peter And Mj Getting Married Man Wolf Rampages The Wedding. Jjj Is There And As Petes Wedding Gift Gets His Old Friend Who Is Kraven To Hunt Man Wolf Down He Kills Man Wolf Then Jj Gets Greedy Sends Him After Spidey To Then He Realizes Man Wolf Was His Son And Kraven Wont Stop His Rampage Hunting Spidey So He Creates Scorpion To Beat Kraven. But Spidey Bein Spidey Fights Both Of Them Scorpion Gets Killed Lizard Shows Up And Its A Race To Who Will Get To The Lizard 1st Kraven Or Spidey

[SlyDark Star]

This Is A Good Idea Read It I Made It

Opening Scene Is Peter And Mj Getting Married Man Wolf Rampages The Wedding. Jjj Is There And As Petes Wedding Gift Gets His Old Friend Who Is Kraven To Hunt Man Wolf Down He Kills Man Wolf Then Jj Gets Greedy Sends Him After Spidey To Then He Realizes Man Wolf Was His Son And Kraven Wont Stop His Rampage Hunting Spidey So He Creates Scorpion To Beat Kraven. But Spidey Bein Spidey Fights Both Of Them Scorpion Gets Killed Lizard Shows Up And Its A Race To Who Will Get To The Lizard 1st Kraven Or Spidey



Why does every word start with a capital letter? I barely understood it but the general idea at the end seemed cool



Heres mine(short story):
Norman comes back from the dead, kills Gwen in classic fashion and the Lizard is thrown somewhere into the movie as well, ta da!

[Venom 1988]

This Is A Good Idea Read It I Made It

Opening Scene Is Peter And Mj Getting Married Man Wolf Rampages The Wedding. Jjj Is There And As Petes Wedding Gift Gets His Old Friend Who Is Kraven To Hunt Man Wolf Down He Kills Man Wolf Then Jj Gets Greedy Sends Him After Spidey To Then He Realizes Man Wolf Was His Son And Kraven Wont Stop His Rampage Hunting Spidey So He Creates Scorpion To Beat Kraven. But Spidey Bein Spidey Fights Both Of Them Scorpion Gets Killed Lizard Shows Up And Its A Race To Who Will Get To The Lizard 1st Kraven Or Spidey

No offense but do you want SM4 to suck?

[BobJM]

lol

[Venom'sDad]

Black Cat could be cool,if they make her have a new look,and make her a villain instead of an ally.It might be cool to have a female villain.

I have to agree...

[Eddie Brock]

I'll be a monkey's uncle if the Lizard isn't in SM4. It's the obvious choice.

[BobJM]

I can't even imagine who they'd put in SM4 if it was not Lizard and Kraven. It's become so obvious and so supported on these boards that its as if its already confirmed.

[Venom 1988]

yea really lol

[Virus276]

I posted this somewhere else but here's an idea Have Lizard as your main villain being hunted by Kraven and Electro as an equally important side character with the subplot of the struggle to protect those you care about. Have Connors transform kind of early and rampage the city fighting Spidey and getting away. Have the fight big enough that news gets to Kraven and he dicides this is the ultimate hunt around this time Peter discovers that Dr. Connors is the Lizard so then he has to try and stop the Lizard while protecting him from Kraven and even the police. While at the same time this is happening you got Electro a geeky guy with and inferriority complex who has become obssesed with Mj due to her booming acting career. MJ married to Pete at this point does not return his effection hurting his ego which pushes him to becoming a stalker leading to some arguements with Pete that could lead to a one sidded fight where Spidey catches him spying on MJ and they duke it out and some how he gets his powers as a result of this(I don't know how he got them in the comics). After he gets his powers he spies on Mj in her and Petes apartment and sees Spidey come in revealing his identity which then makes Electro decide to get vengeance for MJ's rejection of him and Spidey's assualt on him. This could lead into a fight where Peter is left to chose to save Mj or Connors obviously leaving Connors to fend for himself which could either end in Connors death or a huge grudge match between any combination of characters.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I'd prefer Lizard and Vulture, if ya please.

[GoldGoblin]

If they had Vulture as a villain they should use prosthetics to give him a really scary gross looking old man look.A big curved nose to look kinda like a beak,yellowish/blackish rotted looking teeth,really bushy eyebrows,skin looping over his eye sockets covering most of his eyes giving him that little beady eye look(plus black contacts),his skin covered in wrinkles,veins,liver spots,moles,and long black dirty looking finger nails.

And he should have a real bitter personality,like how some old people have.

[blake]

Spider-Man: Green Goblin
Spider-Man 2: Doc Ock
Spider-Man 3: Sandman, Venom, (Green Goblin 2)
Spider-Man 4: Lizard, Kraven

I agree that in order to keep the movies interesting they have to put something different in the sequels,
they already did this with the dark approach in SM3 (that's why Venom had been a logical choice).

Now for SM4 they could use the "hunting theme"... with Lizard and Kraven.
The story could loosely be based on Kraven's Last Hunt. Although I'm not sure about a third villian... it just seems to much.


And in case there's a Spider-Man 5, I would like to see an adaption of the Clone Saga.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Spider-Man: Green Goblin
Spider-Man 2: Doc Ock
Spider-Man 3: Sandman, Venom, (Green Goblin 2)
Spider-Man 4: Lizard, Kraven

I agree that in order to keep the movies interesting they have to put something different in the sequels,
they already did this with the dark approach in SM3 (that's why Venom had been a logical choice).

Now for SM4 they could use the "hunting theme"... with Lizard and Kraven.
The story could loosely be based on Kraven's Last Hunt. Although I'm not sure about a third villian... it just seems to much.


And in case there's a Spider-Man 5, I would like to see an adaption of the Clone Saga.

Yes, "Kraven's Last Hunt" would be the best storyline to go with the Lizard thrown in since he's already been introduced in "2" and "3."

However, I do still say Scorpion wouldn't be a bad third villain. Seeing as Brock will be gone from the Bugle, Jameson I assume will sooner or later start suspecting or he probably already knows Pete's Spidey, and I'm sure the city of New York is going to hate Spider-Man in this 3rd movie because Spidey grew to arrogant and consumed by the symbiote's power. So I can see Spidey too being hunted by Jameson and the city of New York.

Spidey would then find confidence, encouragement, and appreciation from Black Cat. He'd either be married to MJ by now, or trying to recapture their rocky relationship, but feels he needs to move on and Black Cat keeps getting in his way. Soon, he starts to date her, but realizes she is reckless and headstrong, goes back to MJ, Felicia ends up going to Morbius, and Gwen would die in this one by one of the main villains.

[Maxx Moon]

I would love to get a great Mysterio storyline with tons of twists and tricks by the mysterious one

He would try to outsmart Spidey at all costs, coming deeply into his mind and trying to turn him insane for real

[FaT_tONle]

Spider-Man: Green Goblin
Spider-Man 2: Doc Ock
Spider-Man 3: Sandman, Venom, (Green Goblin 2)
Spider-Man 4: Lizard, Kraven

I agree that in order to keep the movies interesting they have to put something different in the sequels,
they already did this with the dark approach in SM3 (that's why Venom had been a logical choice).

Now for SM4 they could use the "hunting theme"... with Lizard and Kraven.
The story could loosely be based on Kraven's Last Hunt. Although I'm not sure about a third villian... it just seems to much.


Wait wait.... on the themes...

1. Great Power Great Responsibility
2. Making sacrifices and giving up what we want
3. Revenge is a poison theme
4. Hunting theme?

Not really seeing why they should be so hard pressed to do SM4... there has gotto be more to it than a crazy doctor becoming a Lizard and a dude trying to hunt him... and a movie about a wedding between Parker/MJ isn't a good enough excuse... there has got to be another element there but no one seems to have the idea on what the other part of the story should be...


Yes, "Kraven's Last Hunt" would be the best storyline to go with the Lizard thrown in since he's already been introduced in "2" and "3."

However, I do still say Scorpion wouldn't be a bad third villain. Seeing as Brock will be gone from the Bugle, Jameson I assume will sooner or later start suspecting or he probably already knows Pete's Spidey, and I'm sure the city of New York is going to hate Spider-Man in this 3rd movie because Spidey grew to arrogant and consumed by the symbiote's power. So I can see Spidey too being hunted by Jameson and the city of New York.

Spidey would then find confidence, encouragement, and appreciation from Black Cat. He'd either be married to MJ by now, or trying to recapture their rocky relationship, but feels he needs to move on and Black Cat keeps getting in his way. Soon, he starts to date her, but realizes she is reckless and headstrong, goes back to MJ, Felicia ends up going to Morbius, and Gwen would die in this one by one of the main villains.

Good ideas... but its still overkill... you really can't have three main villains on top of Black Cat and Gwens death and MJ all in one flick... keep in ming SM3 really has two main villains and a half villain... they should save the Scorpion Saga for SM5... here is how I see it

SM4: Lizard Kraven as the mains WITH:

1. Quentin Beck as Mysterio setup: He can be involved with the stage and MJ's play's...
2. Symbiate continuation: Symbiate is under investigation breaks lose and attaches to Cassidy at the end (Not to fond of it but it may be the only way to go)
3. Get the rights to King Pin and set up a grander story (Love if they'd go here) involving Felicia and the eventual Sinister 6 team
4. Setup up Jameson funding Gargan's Scorpion project but don't have him in the film as a main guy... setup Gargans character but don't rush him in the last fifteen minutes like they did with you know who...

[GoldGoblin]

Raimi wanted the Lizard and Black Cat in SM2,but there was no room for these characters,and he wanted Vulture in SM3 but he had to replace him with Venom.Now that SM4 has a blank canvas,these three characters could be the villains in SM4.

[FaT_tONle]

I still don't like integrating Scorpion in the Lizard Kraven plot... its too much... why not save him for the next film... keep in mind you have to still finish up the Stacy's arc unless you just want to right them out completely before even bringing in Felicia... but I wouldn't mind if Gargan's character was in it though... I even have him in my unfinished little script for SM4... I am very disappointed that Raimi was forced to do a hapass job on Venom just to please fans when he could have been front and center for SM4... but things happen... 3 new villains this soon is a bit too much for me

[Venom 1988]

Yea I agree save Scorpion for SM5, but briefly introduce Gargan in SM4. And I also agree about that there shouldnt be 3 villains just because there were 3 in SM3. Bring it down to 2 so you just focus on Lizard and Kraven and flesh out more side characters and sub plots.

[Eddie Brock]

If Scorpion was a villain, I would have to say that there should be a larger sub-plot on the Peter Parker level....or have another villain with him, because Scorpion can't hold a movie on his own.

[Venom 1988]

Oh but of course, you gotta have another villain in there. One that would fit well with the story, whatever it may be.

[GoldGoblin]

I'm sure Raimi already had a story for the Vulture until Avi made him take him out.

[nolan's roll'n]

I think Lizard, Kraven, Vulture, and Shocker should be in Spiderman 4. They should have Hydro-Man, Scorpion, Hobgoblin, and Mysterio in SM-5. Electro, Rhino, Black Cat, and King Pin could then appear in SM-6.

[Eddie Brock]

I'm sure Raimi already had a story for the Vulture until Avi made him take him out.
Yes...because Avi knows what works in movies/merchandising.

[Cyrusbales]

Man-spider is the next logical step in Peter's development, although not welcomed by some, it does have it's merits, that would be my next guess for major theme, how 'power can corrupt' etc....'too much power is always bad' something like that

[kansas boy]

There will be a female antagonist in the next film. Think about it, the Spider-man films have not had one yet. Also, they're going to need something fresh for the storyline. The guys got Venom in SM3, now it's the ladies turn. The Black Cat WILL be in Spider-man 4.

[XXTBWCXX]

If Lizard and Kraven doesn't make it into Spider-Man 4, that would brutally suck.

[FaT_tONle]

There will be a female antagonist in the next film. Think about it, the Spider-man films have not had one yet. Also, they're going to need something fresh for the storyline. The guys got Venom in SM3, now it's the ladies turn. The Black Cat WILL be in Spider-man 4.

I can't see it... unless they write out Gwen Stacy... cramming a movie with MJ, Felicia, AND Gwen is too much... she's a good fit for SM5 though

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I'm sure Raimi already had a story for the Vulture until Avi made him take him out.

I'd like Mr. Raimi to stay on, and use his Vulture story alongside the Lizard. I'd rather not have Kraven in the franchise.

[Spiderine]

I can't see it... unless they write out Gwen Stacy... cramming a movie with MJ, Felicia, AND Gwen is too much... she's a good fit for SM5 though
Exactly....they won't have three love interests for Spidey to deal with. Gwen will probably be back so where would Felicia fit? When they considered using Felicia before Gwen was not even a thought. Save her for 5.

[XXTBWCXX]

I'd like Mr. Raimi to stay on, and use his Vulture story alongside the Lizard. I'd rather not have Kraven in the franchise.

With Lizard and Kraven as the villains, the story can intertwine with the villains in a much better way instead of having Toomes in the mix.

[XXTBWCXX]

I still don't like integrating Scorpion in the Lizard Kraven plot... its too much... why not save him for the next film... keep in mind you have to still finish up the Stacy's arc unless you just want to right them out completely before even bringing in Felicia... but I wouldn't mind if Gargan's character was in it though... I even have him in my unfinished little script for SM4... I am very disappointed that Raimi was forced to do a hapass job on Venom just to please fans when he could have been front and center for SM4... but things happen... 3 new villains this soon is a bit too much for me

I think Raimi is doing a great job with Venom...and I also think Venom couldn't be in a movie with him as a main villain...just like in TAS, during the symbiote-arc, Venom wasn't in it until the very end of the second episode and for the third episode...so Spider-Man 3 is like that episode arc...Venom is only need for the very end, when the symbiote is mad with Peter for ripping it off him, so it gets on Eddie, bringing Venom, Venom kicks Spidey's a for a bit...and that's all that is needed for Venom.

[Advanced Dark]

huh?

[GoldGoblin]

I'm kinda hoping that the Vulture is one of the villains now.He could be in a nursery home where Aunt May is in SM4.He could have Cancer that makes his body look eaten away and he could have Alzeimers that makes him forget that he is a bitter evil man,and it makes him forget where he hid his flight suit.

And when Peter comes to visit Aunt May Adrian Toomes(Vulture) is with her and is a nice guy to her and to Peter.Peter learns that is use to be a scientist.

Toomes tells Peter that he has invented a suit that could cure Cancer and Alzeimers but the Alzeimers has made him forget where he has hid the suit at.

One day when Peter comes to visit Aunt May,Peter sees Toomes climbing out the window to kill himself.Peter jumps out the window with him and saves his life.

Toomes is shocked that Peter is spidey,but the Alzeimers makes Toomes forget that Peter is spidey after a couple of minutes.Peter tells Toomes that he can't kill himself.

Toomes tells Peter that he can''t live like this with the Cancer eating his body away and the Alzeimers eating his brain.And Peter tells him that he won't have too,that he is gonna help him find his suit.

Once Toomes gets his suit,Toomes is no longer the nice old guy that Peter and Aunt May knows,he is the evil guy that he use to be,he now remembers that Peter is spidey,and now he a threat to Peter as the Vulture.

Then instead of the Vulture dying at the end of the movie,Peter just takes the suit off of him and Toomes is back in the nursing home.And Toomes asks Peter if he has found his suit and Peter says no,that he is still looking for it.

And Aunt May could say to Peter when Toomes leaves the room,isn't he a nice man.

(The Vulture in his suit could be physically strong,he could give us cool areial battles,and his suit could have other types of weapons on them)

[pjspider1C]

I'm kinda hoping that the Vulture is one of the villains now.He could be in a nursery home where Aunt May is in SM4.He could have Cancer that makes his body look eaten away and he could have Alzeimers that makes him forget that he is a bitter evil man,and it makes him forget where he hid his flight suit.

And when Peter comes to visit Aunt May Adrian Toomes(Vulture) is with her and is a nice guy to her and to Peter.Peter learns that is use to be a scientist.

Toomes tells Peter that he has invented a suit that could cure Cancer and Alzeimers but the Alzeimers has made him forget where he has hid the suit at.

One day when Peter comes to visit Aunt May,Peter sees Toomes climbing out the window to kill himself.Peter jumps out the window with him and saves his life.

Toomes is shocked that Peter is spidey,but the Alzeimers makes Toomes forget that Peter is spidey after a couple of minutes.Peter tells Toomes that he can't kill himself.

Toomes tells Peter that he can''t live like this with the Cancer eating his body away and the Alzeimers eating his brain.And Peter tells him that he won't have too,that he is gonna help him find his suit.

Once Toomes gets his suit,Toomes is no longer the nice old guy that Peter and Aunt May knows,he is the evil guy that he use to be,he now remembers that Peter is spidey,and now he a threat to Peter as the Vulture.

Then instead of the Vulture dying at the end of the movie,Peter just takes the suit off of him and Toomes is back in the nursing home.And Toomes asks Peter if he has found his suit and Peter says no,that he is still looking for it.

And Aunt May could say to Peter when Toomes leaves the room,isn't he a nice man.

(The Vulture in his suit could be physically strong,he could give us cool areial battles,and his suit could have other types of weapons on them)

This whole plot sounds totally lame. Aunt May in a nursing home? I don't think so. She's not that old and she's perfectly able to take care of herself. That'd be stupid if they put Toomes in a home anyway. More likely he'd be an employee of Oscorp and they'd be forcing him to retire or something.

[Venom 1988]

^^^^
Wow thats actually a pretty cool idea :up: :up:

[FaT_tONle]

I think Raimi is doing a great job with Venom...and I also think Venom couldn't be in a movie with him as a main villain...just like in TAS, during the symbiote-arc, Venom wasn't in it until the very end of the second episode and for the third episode...so Spider-Man 3 is like that episode arc...Venom is only need for the very end, when the symbiote is mad with Peter for ripping it off him, so it gets on Eddie, bringing Venom, Venom kicks Spidey's a for a bit...and that's all that is needed for Venom.

I agree... but the Scorpion plot... while it can't carry a film on its own... is a good plot that needs to be fleshed out in its own film rather than being rushed in a final act...

[Lex Luthor]

The Lizard definately.
And Electro or The Vulture for good measure. :up:

[Sloth7d]

I say its between Ben Reilly, Sinister Six, spider slayers or King Pin

[Spiderine]

This whole plot sounds totally lame. Aunt May in a nursing home? I don't think so. She's not that old and she's perfectly able to take care of herself. That'd be stupid if they put Toomes in a home anyway. More likely he'd be an employee of Oscorp and they'd be forcing him to retire or something.
They found a way to incorporate the Vulture in 3 so they must have had some story written to bring him in and make him a villain. I do like the idea of him working for Oscorp, Oscorp seems to be the key to a number of these villains.

[pjspider1C]

I don't have anything against Vulture being a villian, I just hated the idea of him and Aunt May living in a nursing home...

[XXTBWCXX]

huh?

Huh what? Lol.

Spider-Man: Green Goblin

Spider-Man 2: Doctor Octopus (and Harry Osborn, kinda)

Spider-Man 3: New Goblin, Sandman, Venom

Spider-Man 4: Lizard...and one of these three villains -- Kraven, Electro, Scorpion

Lizard is a for-sure for S-M 4; but I think they should only have two villains in the movie...so, to me, either Kraven, Electro or Scorpion would work great with Lizard.

[sauronthegreat]

I don't have any idea what the third film will look like, but I know that I can't wait for the sequels and the return of Osborn later in the franchise, making the Goblin as he should have been. But now with Harry's costume design (especially with the texture of his suite) I think they will come to a great solution for the Green Goblin and the Hobgoblin. But leave them for the final film, it will be a great finale of the franchise.

If they intend to bring Lizard, Kraven and the Vulture in the film, it would be a great choice to introduce them in the next one, I am not very fond of these villains, but maybe they will make an interesting story, and maybe Spider-Man should mutate into Man-Spider in this one. Lizard and Vulture both represent animals (and in nature they are opponents) and they will make a great match. I especially liked the concept of the Vulture from one of the guys here, the creepy one with the black eyes, great idea! I don't like the character, but I would definitely love to see him like that in the movie. Having them and the Kraven, who represents the greatest predator of all, the man; and Spider-Man turning into Spider, I think we will get a very interesting and dark film, but only if it will be done right.

For the fifth one I would like to see a story where people will lose faith in their hero. Spider-Man would be framed by Mysterio. He would be an excellent villain for a film and a very demanding one in terms of digital effects. Most of all I hoped that Electro would be with the Sandman in the third film, I liked that combination of villains, but I think that Electro will find his righteous place in this one with Mysterio. I would also like to see JJJ take advantage of the situation in which Spider-Man will be placed and create the Scorpion by the end of the movie. I would like to see a movie design of Scorpion, with a high-tech suit sent with only one mission, to destroy Spider-Man.

And only then for the sixth part I would like to see Hobgoblin (one of my favorites) and the return of Osborn as the Green Goblin, but only if they follow their comic-book appearance and style, it would be the most creepy and psychopathic appearance in film. Hobgoblin's appearance would provoke Norman to return and then the Goblin Saga would take place, but it is too far ahead, so I will not continue.

There also could be a film with Venom and Carnage, and I think that everyone would like to see that. They can put Shocker and Rhino or Chameleon in that one as minor villains as their powers make them. I would not want to see Carnage without Venom, they are a mutual match; for a film Venom can appear alone, but I think Carnage cannot without Venom and I think we all are eager to see the faith of Eddie Brock at the end of the third film.

[Alpha]

There also could be a film with Venom and Carnage, and I think that everyone would like to see that. They can put Shocker and Rhino or Chameleon in that one as minor villains as their powers make them. I would not want to see Carnage without Venom, they are a mutual match; for a film Venom can appear alone, but I think Carnage cannot without Venom and I think we all are eager to see the faith of Eddie Brock at the end of the third film.

Well said. Though I think Carnage could appear alone in a film. If they stray from the comic book, which we've seen just a bit in this third film, it's more than possible. But I would prefer both Venom and Carnage be the villains. Hopefully Venom does good in 3. I personally think that there won't be any more films, but that's just me. Plus, it won't be the same if any of the cast decides to leave.

[pjspider1C]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - while Carnage would be a fun villian - it's not going to happen. The guy is a gory, bloody serial killer. The only way they could stay true to the character without "dumbing him down", so to speak, is to make a Rated R film. And Sony will not do that. And if they did tune down his violence for a PG-13 film, then fans would be disappointed. You might as well just have Carnage work for Baron Mordo & Dormamu stealing the "life force" from people....

[sauronthegreat]

I also believe that Carnage will not appear in the films, but it would be a nice thing to see him with Venom. Though I don't believe that it will be due to his violent character. That scene with Octopus and the doctors in the second film was one of the most sadistic and bloodiest scene they could do for a film like that and the tone of this third film is more darker than the last two, so I think that in direction in which these films are heading that is not impossible. But they better stay out of that "life force" stealing for Dormamu :) from the series, I hated how they dealt with Carnage's character in those two episodes; mixing him and Venom with characters which are not connected with Spider-Man at all, I hate when they mess a great character with it's own history like that.

[L0ngsh0t]

I think Carnage would be a seemless transistion for 4, and do it similar to Venom

It would be cool if they did like Shocker and Lizard are the bad guys, with Lizard being the overarching story, and Carnage comes in at the end

[FaT_tONle]

Villains I DO NOT want to see:

Carnage: Considering Venom looks a bit cheezy for me personally I definitely don't want to see Carnage... he is a lame villain... its cheeziness.

Hopgoblin: I think the public has already been treated to one too many pumkin bombs and gliders... you can only stretch this goblin saga so far... if they can't be more original and use Carnage and Hopgoblin for 4-6 they shouldn't even bother making more sequels

Hydroman: Should be obvious

Jack O' Lantern: No thanks... unless its just a dude trick or treating and misbehaving and SPiderman has to save the day.

Rhino: The last thing we need is Bill Goldberg or John Cena or Brock Lesnor running around hitting things...

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Villains I DO NOT want to see:

Carnage: Considering Venom looks a bit cheezy for me personally I definitely don't want to see Carnage... he is a lame villain... its cheeziness.

Hopgoblin: I think the public has already been treated to one too many pumkin bombs and gliders... you can only stretch this goblin saga so far... if they can't be more original and use Carnage and Hopgoblin for 4-6 they shouldn't even bother making more sequels

Hydroman: Should be obvious

Jack O' Lantern: No thanks... unless its just a dude trick or treating and misbehaving and SPiderman has to save the day.

Rhino: The last thing we need is Bill Goldberg or John Cena or Brock Lesnor running around hitting things...

I think Rhino would only work as a cameo villain. Like at the beginning of the movie as a starter villain. I agree he wouldn't work as a full movie villain, but a cameo villain most definitely. Same with Shocker.

As for Hobgoblin. If they wait a few years people might want to see a new glider-rider again, plus that would give Pete this long hiatus of having to deal with people with pumpkin bombs strapped to their waist gunning for him.

I thik if Raimi were to bring in Hobgoblin he should have it where Pete's like "Harry? But you're dead? Wait...Norman?"

And then cut to Hobgoblin revealing his real identity and how Oscorp stole his designs and ideas for a profit.

[FaT_tONle]

then again if they don't use Carnage or Hoppy... I don't know where else they can go... Electro Scorpion Mysterio??? Those three can't hold two movies of a series like this on their own... still need another major ball player... thats why I like Kingpin... but thats just me

[Venomfan]

then again if they don't use Carnage or Hoppy... I don't know where else they can go... Electro Scorpion Mysterio??? Those three can't hold two movies of a series like this on their own... still need another major ball player... thats why I like Kingpin... but thats just me

scorpion could definatly hold a movie, Jameson funding him, then him going after spidey, then realizing he cant get the suit off, going after jameson, spidey saves Jameson. and its great cuz its not a damsel in a distress, its a loser we love to hate in distress. more Jonah would be great. the only thing is, since spider-man has already dealt with Venom, Scorpion really isnt a threat after that.

[XXTBWCXX]

NO CAMEO VILLAINS!!!

NO REHASH VILLAINS!!!

The only true villains that can be used is Lizard, Kraven...and possibly Electro and/ or Scorpion since they have the best stories even being as "B" villains...number 4 better have Lizard and hopefully Kraven...and if they make anymore, they will suck poorly seeing how they'll end up putting "B" and "C" rated villains in 5 and 6...and if they don't even make a 4, I'll be fine with that too...1, 2, and 3 is a great Spider-Man trilogy.

[Venomfan]

whats stupid though is Kraven shouldnt be able to do anything to Spidey in the first place. hes like 10 times weaker and slower and tough, plus his traps shouldnt even work with Spider-sense, and Venom is in number 3 and he can track spidey better then Kraven. and Kraven fighting the lizard would just be a mess, maybe kraven could help spidey take the Lizard, but at the same time, if spidey can take Sandman and Venom the Lizard should be slim pickins

[the Firestarter]

i think it should be lizard, kraven, & chameleon. hopefully raimi & the whole cast will be back for this one to provide consistency.

i think it would be cool if chameleon is some sort of medical industrial spy. he could have gotten some of the osbourne secrets in the earliest scenes of the movie & then ultimately be brought into conflict with spidey as he (and his half-brother kraven) go after doc connor's research. the chameleon could really f---- with peter's head by disguising himself as people close to peter.... such as harry, his believed to be deceased parents, etc... maybe in an attempt to find out spiderman's true identity.

in a final battle lizard (& some reptilian friends) would battle with kraven... while spidey takes on the chameleon in one of his guises. how 'bout as hobgoblin... since chameleon would have already aquired the osbourne secrets? peter will think that hobby is harry (alive & well), but upon defeating the hobgoblin discover that he was actually the chameleon.

[GoldGoblin]

^Chameleon could be cool if they change him in a way.Kraven and the Chameleon are brothers so it would make sense to have the Chameleon in the movie with Lizard and Kraven.

Chameleon could be a master of disguise throughout the movie screwing with Peter's mind by disguising himself as people who are close to Peter.That could be how Kraven traps spidey at times,he uses his brother the master of disguise to do it,instead of doing it with nets.

Picture Peter is having a talk with Aunt May where he tells her that he is spidey,and all of a sudden Aunt May pulls out a laser pistol and fires it at Peter.

One of the Chameleon's disguises could even be Roderick Kingsley and we could see the Chameleon finding the Goblin's lair when he is on a job to steal scientist's work so he can sell them on the black market.

Maybe the Chameleon could even update some of Kraven's weapons from all the other info that he has stolen from other scientists.

Then after the Lizard kills Kraven and Peter cures Dr.Connors and you think everything is a happy ending,then the Chameleon appears as the Hobgoblin to battle spidey.

Earlier in the movie in one scene at the college when Dr.Connors is about to have a seizure to turn into the Lizard,before he can inject himself with the cure that him and Peter has made,Kraven breaks through the window causing Dr.Connors to drop the serum and becomes the Lizard.

John who was there in the room to confront Peter about MJ is killed by the Lizard.And when college students hear the noise and walk into the room,they only see spidey jumping out the window and John Jameson lying dead on the floor.

Then at the end of the movie when JJJ is in his office grieving over the death of his son,Betty comes in saying that he has gotten a delivery.The card says:the way to kill spidey.

It is stolen information the Chameleon got of how to create the Scorpion.

[pjspider1C]

I think the Lizard is a given. However, I'd like to see Black Cat thrown into the mix. She could start out as a villian, then as the story progresses, become attracted to Spider-Man (which would raise hell with MJ), and in the end she could help Spider-Man defeat the Lizard and cure him. In my mind, it's a movie with a female villian and a movie where none of the bad guys die. 2 things which we haven't yet seen in a Spider-Man movie.

Thematically I think it has a lot of potential. The characters, especially Peter Parker, would have a lot to learn about love, adventure, family, romance, power, etc.

[Sloth7d]

Lizard really got alot of votes. I'd still rather see sinister six(Doc Ock, Vulture, Rhino, Hydroman, Electro, and Chameleon) followed by a clone saga arc for the fith movie. If done right it shouldn't fail.

[pjspider1C]

Lizard really got alot of votes. I'd still rather see sinister six(Doc Ock, Vulture, Rhino, Hydroman, Electro, and Chameleon) followed by a clone saga arc for the fith movie. If done right it shouldn't fail.

I'd rather not see the sinister six. There's no way they'd be able to give each of the characters the attention they deserve in a 2 hour movie. It'd just end up being one big long action packed piece of crap with no story or plot. Personally, I like character development and plot. So I'm against the Sinister Six. And the clone sage would sink the franchise for sure.

[pjspider1C]

Lizard really got alot of votes. I'd still rather see sinister six(Doc Ock, Vulture, Rhino, Hydroman, Electro, and Chameleon) followed by a clone saga arc for the fith movie. If done right it shouldn't fail.

I'd rather not see the sinister six. There's no way they'd be able to give each of the characters the attention they deserve in a 2 hour movie. It'd just end up being one big long action packed piece of crap with no story or plot. Personally, I like character development and plot. So I'm against the Sinister Six. And the clone saga would sink the franchise for sure.

[Minus Shock]

Id like to see Electro.. maybe with out the goofy costume.... and Shocker in the same movie... I dont know how but you could make it work. Lol. I think if you threw in lizard and Mysterio... you havea good fourth and fifth movie.....

[pjspider1C]

Id like to see Electro.. maybe with out the goofy costume.... and Shocker in the same movie... I dont know how but you could make it work. Lol. I think if you threw in lizard and Mysterio... you havea good fourth and fifth movie.....

Electro would be cool to see. Maybe they could take the look from Ultimate Spider-Man... but they'll probably just do what they normally do and redesign the character for the movie as they see fit.

[Sloth7d]

I'd rather not see the sinister six. There's no way they'd be able to give each of the characters the attention they deserve in a 2 hour movie. It'd just end up being one big long action packed piece of crap with no story or plot. Personally, I like character development and plot. So I'm against the Sinister Six. And the clone sage would sink the franchise for sure.
You have to think about it. Some of those characters don't need much development.
Rhino is what he is. A brute thug for hire. He really doesn't need a backstory. Chameleon is the silent hired assassin you don't know much about. Again no backstory needed. And Ocks motive has been established previously already. No need to go too deep back into his story if he returns. Electro can be developed into thers time. Infact he'll probably be the leader. The movie will probably start off with the vulture attacking people for youth when Spiderman shows up and defeats him. And hydroman I see beeing at the movies begining. He's continuously stalking MJ being a fan of her plays. Peter confronts him. Snaps. He inadvertadley knocks Hydroman into the ocean with a bunch of chemicals and Hydroman is born. Electro confronts Peter with his sinister five(Vulture is broken out of prison) later while Hydroman continues to stalk MJ again. The sinister five is bested and later Hydroman joins them after he is defeated by Spiderman. And so and so on. It can fit and move along as a well plotted story.

[pjspider1C]

You have to think about it. Some of those characters don't need much development.
Rhino is what he is. A brute thug for hire. He really doesn't need a backstory. Chameleon is the silent hired assassin you don't know much about. Again no backstory needed. And Ocks motive has been established previously already. No need to go too deep back into his story if he returns. Electro can be developed into thers time. Infact he'll probably be the leader. The movie will probably start off with the vulture attacking people for youth when Spiderman shows up and defeats him. And hydroman I see beeing at the movies begining. He's continuously stalking MJ being a fan of her plays. Peter confronts him. Snaps. He inadvertadley knocks Hydroman into the ocean with a bunch of chemicals and Hydroman is born. Electro confronts Peter with his sinister five(Vulture is broken out of prison) later while Hydroman continues to stalk MJ again. The sinister five is bested and later Hydroman joins them after he is defeated by Spiderman. And so and so on. It can fit and move along as a well plotted story.

Sorry, dude. I'm still not sold on it.

The Spider-Man movies have always been about Peter Parker/Spider-Man. First they decide what moral lesson Peter has to learn, and then pick the villian or villians to best support that. They're not going to throw in extra villians with no back story unless it somehow supports the theme of the movie. No where in your plot synopsis do you state what moral struggle Peter will be confronted with.

[X-Rated]

then again if they don't use Carnage or Hoppy... I don't know where else they can go... Electro Scorpion Mysterio??? Those three can't hold two movies of a series like this on their own... still need another major ball player... thats why I like Kingpin... but thats just me

You might like this! (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11342700&postcount=2)

[Eddie Brock]

Lizard really got alot of votes. I'd still rather see sinister six(Doc Ock, Vulture, Rhino, Hydroman, Electro, and Chameleon) followed by a clone saga arc for the fith movie. If done right it shouldn't fail.
Wow, you just listed 2 stories that should NEVER grace a movie screen.

No matter how nice they are on paper, NEVER on a movie screen, ever.

[pjspider1C]

^^^^^ Ditto.

[Venom 1988]

The clone saga could work, it would just need a hell of a lot of adjustments. Here are some changes I would do:
Have it be Spider-Man 6
*Base it on the first clone story (ASM 149-150) and Revelations.
*Just one plain Spider-Man clone (maybe later on his costume changes so its better to identify whos who, but dont change his name or anything like that).
*No Kain, no Spider-Cide, no Gwen Stacy clones, no multitudes of other clones; just the one clone.
*No Jackle
*Like the comics Green Goblin is behind it all, though I would have it be revealed early on in the movie. The movie is the last one and would have to have a big villain leading it. Though I would have liked to seen Doc Ock return, most people would accept Norman returning more than Doc Ock (mostly because Norman is Spidey's #1 foe and Ock's redemption in SM2).

[Eddie Brock]

The clone saga could work, it would just need a hell of a lot of adjustments. Here are some changes I would do:
Have it be Spider-Man 6
*Base it on the first clone story (ASM 149-150) and Revelations.
*Just one plain Spider-Man clone (maybe later on his costume changes so its better to identify whos who, but dont change his name or anything like that).
*No Kain, no Spider-Cide, no Gwen Stacy clones, no multitudes of other clones; just the one clone.
*No Jackle
*Like the comics Green Goblin is behind it all, though I would have it be revealed early on in the movie. The movie is the last one and would have to have a big villain leading it. Though I would have liked to seen Doc Ock return, most people would accept Norman returning more than Doc Ock (mostly because Norman is Spidey's #1 foe and Ock's redemption in SM2).
You can't have the Clone Saga without the Jackal! (Unless you exist in the Ultimate Universe)

[Venom 1988]

Meh why have Jackal though. Eh I guess you include both Jackal and GG

[Eddie Brock]

At this point, I have the perfect SM4 villain in mind:





































































http://desireerincon.com/HERO/pictures/joequesada.jpg



Even Spidey isn't strong enough to save himself.

[Sloth7d]

Sorry, dude. I'm still not sold on it.

The Spider-Man movies have always been about Peter Parker/Spider-Man. First they decide what moral lesson Peter has to learn, and then pick the villian or villians to best support that. They're not going to throw in extra villians with no back story unless it somehow supports the theme of the movie. No where in your plot synopsis do you state what moral struggle Peter will be confronted with.

Well, I only explained what you asked. The Hydroman thing would play to Peters jealousy in this movie. He creates hydroman out of jealousy. In effect he learns a lesson. If thats what you want.
And clone saga is self explanitory. But I could go into detail as to how I see it.
For starters is just one clone, Ben. And it intersects with his mutating into a manspider arc.

Wow, you just listed 2 stories that should NEVER grace a movie screen.

No matter how nice they are on paper, NEVER on a movie screen, ever.
Yes, because a villain as interesting as the lizard reaaaally deserves his own movie.:whatever: People honestly picked the lizard on that poll. Yeah, lizard will get his own movie and next we'll need a Spiderman Returns.
There are but so many epic enemies left. Sinister six and clone saga are two of the biggest things in Spiderman history. Kingpin could also work too or spiderslayers. Personally though I'd prefer the sinister. A 2hour+ movie can easily work the sinister six plot. And clone saga hardly needs that.

[Sloth7d]

The clone saga could work, it would just need a hell of a lot of adjustments. Here are some changes I would do:
Have it be Spider-Man 6
*Base it on the first clone story (ASM 149-150) and Revelations.
*Just one plain Spider-Man clone (maybe later on his costume changes so its better to identify whos who, but dont change his name or anything like that).
*No Kain, no Spider-Cide, no Gwen Stacy clones, no multitudes of other clones; just the one clone.
*No Jackle
*Like the comics Green Goblin is behind it all, though I would have it be revealed early on in the movie. The movie is the last one and would have to have a big villain leading it. Though I would have liked to seen Doc Ock return, most people would accept Norman returning more than Doc Ock (mostly because Norman is Spidey's #1 foe and Ock's redemption in SM2).

See. You're on the same page as me.

[GoldGoblin]

Chameleon would have to be two villains in one for him to work.Like if he was disguised as a telephone repair man named Max Dillion who is working on a telephone pole when Kraven goes after the Lizard in a nearby sewer.

When spidey is about to go into the sewer to stop Kraven,the telephone repairman shoots at spidey with a laser pistol.Spidey shoots him with some impact webbing which makes Max Dillion (Chameleon) to get tangled in the telephone wires,zapping him.

Then spidey goes down into the sewer to fight Kraven/Lizard.Then after that fight,Kraven is dead and the Lizard has been turned back to Dr.Connors and Dr.Connors and spidey go up the ladder to reach the city streets.

Right when spidey makes his way up,spidey gets zapped by a bolt of electricty by Electro(Chameleon).

Or instead of Electro,they could make Chameleon become the Vulture.Where after he finds out spidey has killed his brother Kraven,Chameleon uses the technology that he has stolen over the years as a spy to become the hunter that his brother once was to fight spidey.

The Chameleon should mess with spidey's mind through out the movie,and have a laser pistol where he could pop up anywhere as anyone and fire it at spidey.

It could keep spidey on his toes this way.Then at the end of the movie the Chameleon could actually have a physical fight with spidey by becoming a different villain like the ways I've described.

[the Firestarter]

I'd like to see:

- Lizard
- Kraven the Hunter
- Charmeleon (as Norman Osbourne/ Harry Osbourne / Dr. Octavius / Peter's deceased father / maybe even Eddie Brock... to screw with Peter's mind & get the secrets to Spiderman's identity). Then with his new found gadget's from all his spying he'd ultimately battle Spidey as Hobgoblin.

This way if Raimi & cast come back for one last film... the whole cast can make curtain call appearances. Would be kinda cool if Charmeleon is played by Bruce Campbell.

[FaT_tONle]

I think the clone saga could work in a total reboot 25 years from now... with Bein Reilly and all the new villains. But thats only if 4-6 make a killing as well... but definitely Sinister 6 for SM6... I am not sold on villains like Mysterio, Scorpion, Electro, and chameleon carrying the next trilogy... it just isn't enough.

[Sloth7d]

^Thank you. Thats how I feel.
IMO.
Maximum Carnage or seperation anxiety could hold their own movie,but it seems too soon after Venom to do that.
Kingpin could get his own, but others may think its too much like Daredevil.
Smythe and the spiderslayers can get their own movie aswell, maybe even throw scorpion in there.
But, lizard, mysterio, not sure bout chameleon I can see him in the Kingpin movie though. They just aren't interesting enough to take up the whole film.

[The Caped Knight]

I Want THE LIZARD for spidey 4

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/9/90/Lizard_bio.jpg/442px-Lizard_bio.jpg

[ledfloyd92]

I have an idea for SM4 in my head but it needs perfecting before I actually feel confident in telling anyone. But it has the Chameleon as the main villian and Kraven/The Lizard as more of a side-story, but fear not they aren't completely left out.

[MrSelfDestruct]

Henry Rollins as Kraven.

[Eddie Brock]

^Thank you. Thats how I feel.
IMO.
Maximum Carnage or seperation anxiety could hold their own movie,but it seems too soon after Venom to do that.
Kingpin could get his own, but others may think its too much like Daredevil.
Smythe and the spiderslayers can get their own movie aswell, maybe even throw scorpion in there.
But, lizard, mysterio, not sure bout chameleon I can see him in the Kingpin movie though. They just aren't interesting enough to take up the whole film.
Again, 2 more stories that should never hit the screen.

[FaT_tONle]

Dude everyone has their own opinion... I perfectly agree that we all have to argue about something just to keep the dialouge going... but its getting boring going back and forth... lets just agree to disagree on this one ^^^... try convincing people that are unsure where they want the story to go but don't keep slamming the rhetoric in the faces of people who disagree with you... maybe I am guilty of the same thing... but I was never adamant about it as you are... so I'll just leave it at that

[Spade]

At this point, I have the perfect SM4 villain in mind:

http://desireerincon.com/HERO/pictures/joequesada.jpg



Even Spidey isn't strong enough to save himself.

Sad part is how utterly true that is.

If I were looking ahead into SM5 and SM6 (if they're ever made) I'd like to see Ock's return with a pseudo-Sinister group of villains, followed up by a Clone Saga with the Scorpion and Carnage. I know it sounds like and odd choice for SM6, but that's because my hope is for a Clone Saga that is Ultimate-inspired (to an extent...please, no Gwen-Carnage). Saying who I'd replace the "man behind it all" with would probably be a point of contention.

If Sony goes through with the recent confirmation of SM4, SM5 and SM6 I'd at least like a bit of a throwback before going to the newer sagas again. Granted, a major issue of SM4 will be topping Venom. But I think the films can achieve it with good direction and awesome screenplays.

[Warhammer]

The Lizard.
He is easily one of the top-tier villains in Spidey's rogues gallery, and hopefully, the return of Venom (if he doesn't die at the end of Spider-Man 3)

[Leenie]

Lizard, because he would translate REALLY well in film. He's a sympathetic villain.

I like the idea of Kraven hunting him, which will try to hinder Spidey's goal to cure Dr. Conners. I really like that idea.

[Spade]

Lizard, because he would translate REALLY well in film. He's a sympathetic villain.

But do you think they can really translate that sympathy now that the Sandman has taken the basic outline of the Lizard's background? Viewers may not be so enthralled being accosted to another film with the "father with a family" motif.

[Drizzle]

I think that they should use Lizard and Kraven for Spider-Man 4. I was also going to add Electro, but I think he'd make a good "solo" villain for the fifth film.

[dodus]

^ Not to mention they've also used the "brilliant scientist friend of Peter who can't help himself due to freak accident" motif as well. The Lizard doesn't have any other cards I can think of. No offense to Dylan Baker, he's a great actor and has certainly put in his time, but the prospect of the Lizard holding together a sequel is underwhelming as hell.

[Venom 1988]

Its still somewhat different though. From the looks of it Sandman's wife doesnt give a **** about Flint (well in the begining anyway). Conner's wife on the other hand, would try to help Conner's and get him cured, while not letting their son know about it. Plus remeber, Lizard wouldn't be the only villain.

[The Caped Knight]

But do you think they can really translate that sympathy now that the Sandman has taken the basic outline of the Lizard's background? Viewers may not be so enthralled being accosted to another film with the "father with a family" motif.

Their's a huge difference between Curt Conners & Flint Marko


1. Curt's has a son

2. Curt is a happily married man

3. Curt's not a criminal


------------------------

1. Flint's got a Daughter who's got an incurable sickness

2. Flint's wife is unhappy and is not happy being married to Flint

3. Flint's a wanted Man by the police even before he became Sandman .

[the Firestarter]

visually i think lizard & mysterio would make the best villains for the movie... with kraven hunting down lizard as an added challenge. both could work if done right.

however, i think i'd prefer to have charmeleon in the same film with kraven... to make the storyline a little more cohesive. the next one should be less special effects driven & more emotionally driven. charmeleon's mind messing with peter, plus the emotional turmoil caused by the lizard storyline (in addition to peter's newlywed status) would all bring the story home... for what's very likely to be the last film with the original cast / director.

leave mysterio for the next director... possibly with some of the b-level villains (i.e., vulture &/or scorpion). then, carnage can be left to cap of the series in spider-man six... or they can go in a lot lighter direction with doc ock & the sinister six.

[amazingdm]

the lizard? really?
THIS is who you want to be in the 4th?

Oh a mad scientist drinks a formula and turns into a lizard.. wow yah ok

[GoldGoblin]

the lizard? really?
THIS is who you want to be in the 4th?

Oh a mad scientist drinks a formula and turns into a lizard.. wow yah ok

^
Who do you think would be more interesting,a red Venom?