The Official Start/Release Date & Location Thread

[Showtime]

This is my Superman fanside talking.

"Singer can't do action"

Were you paying attention during that little scene in which Superman stops an airplane from crashing?

I'm not going to be able to post here all the time, but I understand if people don't believe me. Showtime did not believe me when I said Bryan Singer was semi in the dog house at Warner's. When I said the film is Singers to lose, it's because it's true. Verbinski, Bay, or anybody else are names being mentioned or perhaps talked to in the case that Singer's not back, which at this point is seemingly pretty likely. So that is all for a bit.

Nothing personal of course Deep, I am just skeptical by nature, whether the news is positive or negative. I am not saying you are not credible, but you could be anybody.

I could say it's Singer's job to lose, that is the same for any direct on any project. In regards to your directors, I don't see them having time to push forward with a Returns sequel at the moment.

Again, if you are right, I will be the first to point it out.

[Lightning Strykez!]

X-3 had numerous plot holes, some badly directed scenes, and unneccassary action scenes, oh and lets not forget and the muiltiple dumb endings. I garnatee you if you ask anyone on X boards, they will tell you the same thing. Your right it didn'tcompletly suck, but singar would of put out a better product that that mess of a movie.

What is needed...is a balance of the two extremes.

I want the quality of Bryan's character development--but the thrill of Rat's action sequences. I can suffer through an entertaining "popcorn" film...but I can't abide by a borefest.

When I went to go see SR in theatres people were getting restless in the crowd. Why? Because after awhile it was like watching paint dry. I just wanted to scream "COME ON! Do something super already!" :csad:

[I_Hate_U_All]

Since WB's so in love with the guy's film, they let Singer copy it almost word for word I reckon they might as well hire him again for the next one:

http://www.jameschristie.net/images/donner4Small.jpg

What do you think?

[Excel]

I'm referring to the first film. You somehow think that there's more money to be made in directing a lower-budget Superman sequel than other opportunities? Do you think Verbinski or Bay are hurting for work?

I think you missed the point of deeps posts. ANytime a studio goes after a director, it requires interest to make the film on their behalf.

a good director like verbisnki or....bay.....would look at it as the potential the film has, not the potential it has to make money cause superman 1 didnt do to well.

[Eros]

What is needed...is a balance of the two extremes.

I want the quality of Bryan's character development--but the thrill of Rat's action sequences. I can suffer through an entertaining "popcorn" film...but I can't abide by a borefest.

When I went to go see SR in theatres people were getting restless in the crowd. Why? Because after awhile it was like watching paint dry. I just wanted to scream "COME ON! Do something super already!" :csad:


Yes I found returns boring to, I also found it confuseing and I thought Routh looked somewhat feminate at times. Singar should of realized, that when your giving 204 million dallars, don't waste it on plotlines from old movies. The story was good, but it was also confuseing to anyone unfamliar with superman 1 and 2.

[jj9126]

I think you missed the point of deeps posts. ANytime a studio goes after a director, it requires interest to make the film on their behalf.

a good director like verbisnki or....bay.....would look at it as the potential the film has, not the potential it has to make money cause superman 1 didnt do to well.

It sounds like you're assuming Deep is not full of crap.

What possible incentive would Bay or Verbinski have to do the film other than money? By all accounts, the Superman sequel could cost 100M less than the first film...so where's the money?

On the studio side: why would you hire another director who is used to (and consistantly goes over) big budgets?

Again, I'm in total agreement that Singer directing the sequel is 50-50...but I'm not buying Deep's "scoops". There are plenty of successful, lower cost directors (many of whom have existing relationships with the studio) who would get the nod.

[bgshw44]

Since WB's so in love with the guy's film, they let Singer copy it almost word for word I reckon they might as well hire him again for the next one:

http://www.jameschristie.net/images/donner4Small.jpg

What do you think?


I would be SO excited if he was hired!! He knows the right tone to set, and look at his previous movies, he can go action.

[mclay18]

I told you guys this a few weeks back. Singer is in a very similar situation over at Warner that Katie Holmes was in. They now have the oppritunity, and an excuse, to replace him, and I fully expect them to do so.

Circumstances have changed with Warner's and a certain director, and it's looking like Warner' is getting ready for a change, but we wont know until the begining of July:cwink: , at the earliest, I would think.

The Superman Homepage reports (http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3269) that the Variety article about Singer doing a film with McQuarrie before doing the SR sequel is completely false. The sequel is tracked for a start on principal photography March 2008 as originally planned. (There's no official word yet from the WB, yet the SH has reliable sources.)

I think you need to check your sources more carefully -- but we'll know if you're telling the truth once July rolls around.

[Retroman]

This news doesn't worry me at all. We're still a year away from when SR2 is expected to start filming.

Routh said that pre-production for SR2 would start shortly and i imagine that Singer's team will be working on the script and start storyboarding while he shoots this new thriller. A similar approach to Logan's Run which Singer was working on while shooting SR.

Robert Zemeckis shot What Lies Beneath on hiatus from Cast Away when Tom Hanks needed to loose weight for the island scenes in that film. So directors can multitask and then some.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Whether the rumors are true or not it dissapoints me that Bryan is even still attached to this project. :csad: They need to get somebody else in my opinion...someone who isn't going to overly philosophize the story--and its hero.



Someone like Ratner? :whatever:

[Catman]

Since WB's so in love with the guy's film, they let Singer copy it almost word for word I reckon they might as well hire him again for the next one:

http://www.jameschristie.net/images/donner4Small.jpg



What do you think?

Lets start a petition!

Really, Whedon got fired? When did that happen?

Like a month ago! He's no longer involved with Wonder Woman.

[Retroman]

Good observation. :up:

At the Hype, we would naturally gravitate to Variety's word first since they are a bonafide trade publication. In fact, all of the reputable sites reporting on this kind of genre rely on that source. Not that Variety is infallible (stories can be updated as more details are released) but I have concerns that Supermanhomepage didn't give any substantial links or support to their claim that this was false. I mean, let's be frank: anyone can say that it's false just to tickle the ears of fanboys. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's false at the end of the day.

The difference between the two is we can actually verify what Variety is saying by what's in the pipeline. This taps into industry knowledge. The same cannot be said for the fansite. Therefore, I'd take the latter with a grain of salt for now, and hope that the studio releases an official notification to clear things up.

After all, nothing beats a message straight from the gift horse's mouth.

Variety reported last year that Hugh Jackman was cameoing as Jonathan Kent. Which was a complete lie so even though they are an authority on trade news they don't get everything right.:cwink:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=3989

The Supermanhomepage are the no.1 Superman fansite on the web they're known to do lots of factchecking and i imagine they have 'sources' close to the SR team. I trust their word over Variety's in this case.:hyper:

[Showtime]

Heh. Damn skippy! :cmad::up:

lol


You're always around...:dry:

[Showtime]

All these people that are coming out of the woodwork are amazing. They all have different sources. What is so amazing about it is that some could be "regular" posters like you and me, but one of them might be Mike Dougherty for all we know. :cwink:

Apparently many of the major sites are running with the Variety story, Sci-Fi Wire and IGN included.

[Retroman]

All these people that are coming out of the woodwork are amazing. They all have different sources. What is so amazing about it is that some could be "regular" posters like you and me, but one of them might be Mike Dougherty for all we know. :cwink:

Apparently many of the major sites are running with the Variety story, Sci-Fi Wire and IGN included.

Well since it's spread so quickly i hope WB debunks this soon.Showest is a great oppurtunity to do so.:supes:

[jj9126]

Well since it's spread so quickly i hope WB debunks this soon.Showest is a great oppurtunity to do so.:supes:

Don't see that happening (little too early). I think we'll know the truth by late summer...

[Retroman]

Don't see that happening (little too early). I think we'll know the truth by late summer...

We'll see...

[ultimatefan]

The Superman Homepage reports (http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3269) that the Variety article about Singer doing a film with McQuarrie before doing the SR sequel is completely false. The sequel is tracked for a start on principal photography March 2008 as originally planned. (There's no official word yet from the WB, yet the SH has reliable sources.)

I think you need to check your sources more carefully -- but we'll know if you're telling the truth once July rolls around.

Thanks for the head´s up. We will know soon enough. But it´s kinda weird that Routh did an interview just now talking about the sequel as the supposed delay came out.

[Matt]

The Superman Homepage reports (http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3269) that the Variety article about Singer doing a film with McQuarrie before doing the SR sequel is completely false. The sequel is tracked for a start on principal photography March 2008 as originally planned. (There's no official word yet from the WB, yet the SH has reliable sources.)

I think you need to check your sources more carefully -- but we'll know if you're telling the truth once July rolls around.

I beieve Variety is a tad more reliable than the Superman homepage.

[Thot]

Give the job to Donner. 'nuff said.

[Matt]

This news doesn't worry me at all. We're still a year away from when SR2 is expected to start filming.

Routh said that pre-production for SR2 would start shortly and i imagine that Singer's team will be working on the script and start storyboarding while he shoots this new thriller. A similar approach to Logan's Run which Singer was working on while shooting SR.

Robert Zemeckis shot What Lies Beneath on hiatus from Cast Away when Tom Hanks needed to loose weight for the island scenes in that film. So directors can multitask and then some.

Shooting a fairly small movie such as What Lies Beneath while doing another small movie like Cast Away is a far cry from doing a multimillion dollar blockbuster.

[Matt]

Well since it's spread so quickly i hope WB debunks this soon.Showest is a great oppurtunity to do so.:supes:

If were false it would've been debunked by now. WB isn't going to wait to debunk a stupid rumor over a multimillion dollar franchise. The longer we go without hearing anything, the more likely this becomes.

[jaguarr]

Boy, Singer doesn't seem overly enthused about doing the sequel, does he? :huh:

jag

[The Eagle]

Well............................this sucks!

[jj9126]

If were false it would've been debunked by now. WB isn't going to wait to debunk a stupid rumor over a multimillion dollar franchise. The longer we go without hearing nothing, the more likely this becomes.

Good point.

[bgshw44]

I Want Donner

[Darthphere]

Boy, Singer doesn't seem overly enthused about doing the sequel, does he? :huh:

jag

You're the man now Jag.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Someone like Ratner? :whatever:

I didn't say I wanted an Attention Deficit Disorderly take on Supes. :o

[Showtime]

I didn't say I wanted an Attention Deficit Disorderly take on Supes. :o

I think you made up a new term. I might steal that. You'll never know. :dry:

[Mr. Socko]

A delay....yipee just what we needed :dry:

[Maze]

I don't think so. Look at his track record:

X-1...speaks for itself.

X-2...outside of the opening sequence, nothing was spectacular. Especially after seeing X-3...say what you want about Ratner, the action was first class. We saw two things we should've seen in the first two X-men movies. First, the X-Men fighting as a team. Second, a full scale mutant battle. Not just Wolverine fighting a villian.

Superman Returns had the mind blowing action of Superman lifting heavy things.

Singer just can't do action.
Nope i don't agree.

his action scene are tenseful , suspensful ,visceral inventive and sometimes even epic imo .

Ratner actions is sometimes spectacular (but in a generic way imo ),full of energy and fun.. but most of the time imo his action is univolving .and it's not because he got the Xmen fight as a team ( a little to be fair ) that he got me more interested..especially when his full mutant scale battle looked like it was shot in a football area and not that well choregraphed at at that .. it was boring imo... and that's why imo for me ratner yes is competent in that area , he give a lot more action than Singer ,But he is just a generic action director.(as he is generic and mediocre in all the area of filmmaking imo )

when i think action first class action i think Mc thiernan, Cameron and Verhoven..and sometimes Singer ,not Ratner.


but this is a debate for another place.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think you made up a new term. I might steal that. You'll never know. :dry:

That's patented buster! :cmad:

[Retroman]

Shooting a fairly small movie such as What Lies Beneath while doing another small movie like Cast Away is a far cry from doing a multimillion dollar blockbuster.

I wouldn't categorize those movies as 'small' especially Cast Away.But thats just my opnion.:cwink:

Singer is doing this thriller and the Football Wives pilot before SR2 starts which is one year from now reportedly. And he's been saying for a long time (even in his X-Men days) that he wanted to do a small movie which i'm sure WB was aware when they hired him.

Chris Nolan shot The Prestige in 2006 while his brother wrote The Dark Knight screenplay.Singer has two writers so there shouldn't be much problems in getting the script done on time.And if he gets an art department in place now that will save even more time.
If were false it would've been debunked by now. WB isn't going to wait to debunk a stupid rumor over a multimillion dollar franchise. The longer we go without hearing anything, the more likely this becomes.
You're right about that. But my gut feeling says we won't have to wait that long to find out what's really going on.

[jaguarr]

You're the man now Jag.

Sure, I'll direct it. We'll get a three hour epic with lots of action and Supes having to deal with Braniac AND Parasite. And no "Superboy"; he'll die in the first three minutes of the film. :up:

jag

[Showtime]

That's patented buster! :cmad:

You want to talk about it? :cwink:

[fabman]

I hope the movie won't be delayed and that Singer will helm the sequel, he's done such a great job with the first movie, even if now I'd like to see some more new ideas and more insight on Clark Kent.

I hope WB is going to debunk the news because, honestly, I trust Variety more than Superman Homepage ;)

[Mr. Socko]

Sure, I'll direct it. We'll get a three hour epic with lots of action and Supes having to deal with Braniac AND Parasite. And no "Superboy"; he'll die in the first three minutes of the film. :up:

jag

You're my hero.

[DavidTyler]

Honestly, this looks like the first step in either putting the film on hold or separating Singer from the franchise.

[Maze]

Chris Nolan shot The Prestige in 2006 while his brother wrote The Dark Knight screenplay.Singer has two writers so there shouldn't be much problems in getting the script done on time.And if he gets an art department in place now that will save even more time.

Yup , if Singer and Warner want to do together the supe sequel , that's totally doable :cwink:

Hi retro :yay:

[AssMan]

Sure, I'll direct it. We'll get a three hour epic with lots of action and Supes having to deal with Braniac AND Parasite. And no "Superboy"; he'll die in the first three minutes of the film. :up:

jag

The first 3 minutes ? My sequel would take place like 5 years after he already died of some Kryptonite Cancer that his body could not handle the mix of being human & kryptonian.

[jaguarr]

The first 3 minutes ? My sequel would take place like 5 years after he already died of some Kryptonite Cancer that his body could not handle the mix of being human & kryptonian.

But I want to SEE him die! :(

jag

[Lightning Strykez!]

Honestly, this looks like the first step in either putting the film on hold or separating Singer from the franchise.

Yes. Yes it does, doesn't it.

[Retroman]

Yup , if Singer and Warner want to do together the supe sequel , that's totally doable :cwink:

Hi retro :yay:

Hi Maze.:yay: Their seems to be an intent from both sides to make a sequel so this movie shouldn't be a problem.I hope.:ninja:
The first 3 minutes ? My sequel would take place like 5 years after he already died of some Kryptonite Cancer that his body could not handle the mix of being human & kryptonian.
People here are so obsessed with the death of Superman's bastard child.:p

[Mr. Socko]

Yes. Yes it does, doesn't it.

And we shall rejoice.

[fabman]

Well, time will tell. At this point this movie seems a bit iffy or, better, Bryan Singer's involvement. :confused:

Let's see if they say something about the project at ShoWest, you never know! :csad: At this point I don't think it's a good idea to bring in a new director for the sequel, doesn't this situation remind you a bit what happened in the 1970's to Richard Donner, eh!? :dry:

For crying out loud, let Bryan Singer do this movie! :super:

[I_Hate_U_All]

heck we're still dealing with a director trying to follow in donner's footsteps to this very day.

Give us some new meat, i say.

[fabman]

We're still dealing with a director who's made one of the best movies of the last few years: 'The Usual Suspects,' a masterpiece! Thanks to him 'Superman Returns' isn't just a specia FX, overblown lackluster...

[Justice Bringer]

I'm sooo making a pwnage thread when this report is proved false.

[Matt]

I'm sooo making a pwnage thread when this report is proved false.

Its that kind of mentality that drags these forums down.

[Matt]

We're still dealing with a director who's made one of the best movies of the last few years: 'The Usual Suspects,' a masterpiece! Thanks to him 'Superman Returns' isn't just a specia FX, overblown lackluster...

The Usual Suspects is so so so so so so so so overrated.

[fabman]

In fact McG is such a superior director - he should make the Superman sequel... :whatever:

How about the guy who did 'Torque'? :p

[Justice Bringer]

Its that kind of mentality that drags these forums down.

Its all in good fun.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm sooo making a pwnage thread when this report is proved false.

Don't,it will only waste your finger energy when it's shut a few minutes later:cwink:

[Justice Bringer]

Don't,it will only waste your finger energy when it's shut a few minutes later:cwink:

It wont require much finger energy to make another then :word:


"Steve Younis (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/profile.php?lookup=1) on March 14, 2007 5:52pm EST
I wouldn't post a rebuke to such a well respected media outlet as Variety if I didn't have it on good authority from a well placed source."

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3269


Lets see how this plays out.

[Upper_Krust]

Attention...Catman...

Who is that in your avatar pic...I got's to know.



...and don't say Dougherty & Harris. :oldrazz:

[Hunter Rider]

It wont require much finger energy to make another then :word:

It would take even less finger energy to take away your thread making capabilities:ninja:


"Steve Younis (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/profile.php?lookup=1) on March 14, 2007 5:52pm EST
I wouldn't post a rebuke to such a well respected media outlet as Variety if I didn't have it on good authority from a well placed source."

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3269


Lets see how this plays out.


I hope he is wrong,i really like this WWII thriller for Singer,i hope the only mistaken part is the delay for the SR sequel but that the other film is still a go.

[Matt]

Its all in good fun.

Maybe to you...but others will take it seriously and it will only cause fights.

It wont require much finger energy to make another then :word:


"Steve Younis (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/profile.php?lookup=1) on March 14, 2007 5:52pm EST
I wouldn't post a rebuke to such a well respected media outlet as Variety if I didn't have it on good authority from a well placed source."

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3269


Lets see how this plays out.

Younis either has balls of steel or really believes his source. Doesn't mean he is right as sources can be wrong...but...I dunno. Other credible sources are now claiming this as well. And while Variety may have broken the news, Steve Younis isn't the only one who checks out to make sure Variety's scoops are legit. These other sites and trades giving this information all have sources as well that they probably checked with. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and walks like a duck...

[Justice Bringer]

It would take even less finger energy to take away your thread making capabilities:ninja:.

Then I guess Ill have to use one of my other accounts :cwink:



I hope he is wrong,i really like this WWII thriller for Singer,i hope the only mistaken part is the delay for the SR sequel but that the other film is still a go.

I agree!

[Showtime]

I don't know why some think it's impossible for Singer to make another movie in before the sequel? Singer is like an Octopus when it comes to his film career, the guy was reading scripts for House on the set of Returns. It's "Old Hat Harry" to Singer.

[Justice Bringer]

Maybe to you...but others will take it seriously and it will only cause fights....

Relax Matt, I'd leave you out of it :cwink:

Younis either has balls of steel or really believes his source. Doesn't mean he is right as sources can be wrong...but...I dunno. Other credible sources are now claiming this as well. And while Variety may have broken the news, Steve Younis isn't the only one who checks out to make sure Variety's scoops are legit. These other sites and trades giving this information all have sources as well that they probably checked with. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and walks like a duck....

We'll find out soon enough, but since I know the S homepage staff and the extent they would go to in order to report stuff, I'm personally more inclined to believe their validity. But you're free to believe whatever of course.

[Justice Bringer]

I don't know why some think it's impossible for Singer to make another movie in before the sequel? Singer is like an Octopus when it comes to his film career, the guy was reading scripts for House on the set of Returns. It's "Old Hat Harry" to Singer.

Thats some "Bad Hat Harry"............

[Darthphere]

The Usual Suspects is so so so so so so so so overrated.

Too true, awesome script, average movie.

[Matt]

Too true, awesome script, average movie.

The problem with it is, the twist that people love so much. The twist at the end negates the whole movie building up to it. That is not brilliance. It is a twist for the sake of having one.

[Showtime]

Thats some "Bad Hat Harry"............

:cwink:

[Showtime]

The problem with it is, the twist that people love so much. The twist at the end negates the whole movie building up to it. That is not brilliance. It is a twist for the sake of having one.

Tell that to M. Night, I think he sold Signs for 10million. Despite his reputation now after Lady In The Water, that is some cool pocket cash.

He just had his new script greenlit, after a rewrite. Every studio past the first time around.

THE HAPPENING.

[Mr. Socko]

It will suck just like The Village and Lady in the Water.


M. Night has milked the "twist" too much. Everyone usually figures it out by now because you're steadly looking for it because you know it's going to be there if it has M Night's name on it. :rolleyes:

The man use to be good, he's become a hack

[Showtime]

The millions he made of that one script alone, I would let you call me a hack for that much. Then I would laugh and laugh.

[jj9126]

It will suck just like The Village and Lady in the Water.


M. Night has milked the "twist" too much. Everyone usually figures it out by now because you're steadly looking for it because you know it's going to be there if it has M Night's name on it. :rolleyes:

The man use to be good, he's become a hack

There's no twist in "The Happening/The Green Effect", which is a step in the right direction.

[Mr. Socko]

The millions he made of that one script alone, I would let you call me a hack for that much. Then I would laugh and laugh.

He got even more for writing and directing 6th.

There's no twist in "The Happening/The Green Effect", which is a step in the right direction.

That's really just what he wants to you think.

Then when you see it you go "OMG wasn't expecting that lolz!!!11!!11!!1!"

[jj9126]

He got even more for writing and directing 6th.

That's really just what he wants to you think.

Then when you see it you go "OMG wasn't expecting that lolz!!!11!!11!!1!"

lol. I guess the twist is that there's no twist.

[PSU442]

as much as i hate to say it... but this could be singer's exit.

[PSU442]

enter Paul Haggis????

[The Punisher]

If this is really happening, then I say Singer should get replaced.

[Pickle-El]

The Usual Suspects is so so so so so so so so overrated.


Kinda like BB and Spiderman 2.

Yeah, I said it.

[Mr. Socko]

Paul Anderson should direct it with Uwe Boll producing and writing.

[The Punisher]

Paul Anderson should direct it with Uwe Boll producing and writing.

Die.

[Mr. Socko]

Ya mammy

[AssMan]

But I want to SEE him die! :(


http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3917/qq0000000nh6.jpg

[Sun_Down]

The millions he made of that one script alone, I would let you call me a hack for that much. Then I would laugh and laugh.

Just cause he made millions on crap doesn't make it any less crappy. Look at, well, basically all pop music.


As for the supposed delay, I really don't know what to think right now. This "debunking" sounds like wishful thinking. We'll wait and see, I guess.

[Hunter Rider]

Kinda like BB and Spiderman 2.

Yeah, I said it.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/354/spoonnt0.jpg

[AssMan]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/354/spoonnt0.jpg

There is no spoon

[The Punisher]

Ya mammy

My moms dead, thanks for bringing that up.

[Mr. Socko]

Anymore thoughts on my dream team of who should create it?

[Pickle-El]

What, no Bale, 'take your medicine' pic?

'I'm insulted.'

[darkseid26]

Singer is gonna get the ax. Trust me! I was the VERY first person to say that Kevin Spacey would be cast as Lex Luthor. Which I have prove of, BTW, and now I'm gonna predict that Singer is getting the ax.


true dat from a thread i was on 2 days ago people want zack snyder from 300:trans: !

[AssMan]

true dat from a thread i was on 2 days ago people want zack snyder from 300:trans: !

Lex - Evil Kryptonians from a thousand worlds will soon be here & their armies would block out the sun

Superman - Then I shall fight in the shade

:ninja:

[AssMan]

true dat from a thread i was on 2 days ago people want zack snyder from 300:trans: !

Braniac - Evil Kryptonians from a thousand worlds will soon be here & their armies will block out the sun

Superman - Then I shall fight in the shade

:ninja:

[Mr. Socko]

My moms dead, thanks for bringing that up.

Sure. How many times have i heard that one again

[Hunter Rider]

What, no Bale, 'take your medicine' pic?

'I'm insulted.'

That pic has had it's day and i always hated it:woot:

[The Punisher]

Sure. How many times have i heard that one again

Bastard, ruined my joke! :cmad:

[Showtime]

Just cause he made millions on crap doesn't make it any less crappy. Look at, well, basically all pop music.


As for the supposed delay, I really don't know what to think right now. This "debunking" sounds like wishful thinking. We'll wait and see, I guess.

I liked alot of what M. Night did.

Debunking is a horrible word. I am banning it from my vocabulary.

[Showtime]

That pic has had it's day and i always hated it:woot:

I think I might bring it back, on the Batboards. :wow:

[Mr. Socko]

Bastard, ruined my joke! :cmad:

Don't worry, me and mammy still love you.

as for the delay:

Singer should have done the new Star Trek movie!

[AgentPat]

Michael Bay...Well all riiiiiight! Americana, the sweet hour's golden palette, and a world that needs saving from something re-heeely big. Bring it on!!!

Gore Verbinski...Ooooo... now THAT would be awesome too. Fun and playful characters, orchestral anthems, and epic location photography that melts your face off. Bring it on on!!!

Either way, expect Routh and Bosworth to be back...:dry:




http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/grump.gif

[Pickle-El]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.



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(Deep Sleep)

[CGHulk]

Don't worry, me and mammy still love you.

as for the delay:

Singer should have done the new Star Trek movie!
Why so he'd make a remake of the Wrath of Khan, sorry but that's already beeen done (Nemesis) I don't think we need two reamkes of STII.

[TheBat812]

According to IGN (they have an actual quote by Singer) he is doing this, however, I don't think this will at all delay Superman. He will continue to do preproduction on Superman 2 while filming, and his writing team will finish the script and fine tune it. I doubt there will be an extensive delay, if any.

[Excel]

Honestly, this looks like the first step in either putting the film on hold or separating Singer from the franchise.

pretty much, though i would say at this point, it;s much more the latter than the first one.

The fact is, and i am hoping W.B. realizes this-Singer will make a good movie. And it will make good money. But will it be the BEST movie? Make the MOST money? They can settle or they can go for the gold.
Singer's a very capible director, but there are better choices who probably have better stories.

The fact is, and id ont care what anybody says, theres NO WAY he can do a brand new movies production, pre production, post production, ect. and all that **** and STILL be ready to roll cameras in march 08.

it's IMPOSSIBLE. Prep production-and I mean hardcore set desgining, figure out what will and wont be fx, casting, ect. will have to begin in september at the latest and that would command all of singers attention. That would give him 5-6 months to make this new film, which, even if your spielberg, cannot be done.

Im honestly expecting some sort of announcement any day because they wont want to delay this. people will forget bout returns. I mean, I like Superman Returns. I like singer. but after seeing his shot at Superman.... i feel he will be doing more damage than repairs if he does a sequel. His mind seems to be a freethinking one

-"lets give lois a kid!"
-"lets make it supermans!"
-"lets make so its literally impossible to have lois n superman be together"
-"lets have lex be like gene hackman"
ect.

I mean WHAT IN BLUE HELL would make him think anybody would ever like those ideas? They worked, sure, but did I really like them? It could of been a helluva lot better, and those are just examples of him doing things that seem to be what he wants to see more than anything else. We need someone who wants to make a good, fun film.

Superman needs to be half popcorn movie and half shakespearse-not 3/4's chick flick and 1/4 disaster movie, and correct me if im wrong, but i see no way that Singer can make a popcorn movie; his films are way too intelectual.

The superman story should be of been very simple and hard to mess up, but he tried so hard to complicate it that it got stupid and the sequels going to be very hard to make as a continuity because of his complications.

[spider-neil]

just get rid of him already WB, he isn't worth the effort.
get in a director who understands superman and doesn't think action is a dirty word.
sack singer!

[I_Hate_U_All]

Anyone else getting deja vu? Yeaaaaaaaah, This is kinda like back when burton was developing his superman film.

Wow, the world is a funny thing.

[I_Hate_U_All]

pretty much, though i would say at this point, it;s much more the latter than the first one.

The fact is, and i am hoping W.B. realizes this-Singer will make a good movie. And it will make good money. But will it be the BEST movie? Make the MOST money? They can settle or they can go for the gold.
Singer's a very capible director, but there are better choices who probably have better stories.

The fact is, and id ont care what anybody says, theres NO WAY he can do a brand new movies production, pre production, post production, ect. and all that **** and STILL be ready to roll cameras in march 08.

it's IMPOSSIBLE. Prep production-and I mean hardcore set desgining, figure out what will and wont be fx, casting, ect. will have to begin in september at the latest and that would command all of singers attention. That would give him 5-6 months to make this new film, which, even if your spielberg, cannot be done.

Im honestly expecting some sort of announcement any day because they wont want to delay this. people will forget bout returns. I mean, I like Superman Returns. I like singer. but after seeing his shot at Superman.... i feel he will be doing more damage than repairs if he does a sequel. His mind seems to be a freethinking one

-"lets give lois a kid!"
-"lets make it supermans!"
-"lets make so its literally impossible to have lois n superman be together"
-"lets have lex be like gene hackman"
ect.

I mean WHAT IN BLUE HELL would make him think anybody would ever like those ideas? They worked, sure, but did I really like them? It could of been a helluva lot better, and those are just examples of him doing things that seem to be what he wants to see more than anything else. We need someone who wants to make a good, fun film.

Superman needs to be half popcorn movie and half shakespearse-not 3/4's chick flick and 1/4 disaster movie, and correct me if im wrong, but i see no way that Singer can make a popcorn movie; his films are way too intelectual.

The superman story should be of been very simple and hard to mess up, but he tried so hard to complicate it that it got stupid and the sequels going to be very hard to make as a continuity because of his complications.

I think being a smart film with interesting themes and such is great, nothing wrong with that. It actually makes movies worth watching as I get older because I look for more meaning in the stories. For example I can't really get through an episode of superfriends anymore since they're so lame. But give me Batman TAS or any other bruce timm, paul dini, Dwayne Mcduffe cartoon and it's heaven because they add real drama, good acting, character changes and story continuity. They're the BEST as far as superhero adaptations are concerned these days, but because they don't do them as live action films, they're unjustifiably under appreciated for what they tried to do. Just look at that The BAtman show. That's what Batman TAS would hav been if Timm didn't have an interest in actually putting together something faithful to the source as well as intelligent, intriguing, overall just excellent stuff.

That's why I loved singer's x-men flicks. He showed the same sense of striving to add depth to what's not really taken seriously. And I see he tries the same with superman, but this time he got carried away as you say... given too much freedom to just throw in the kitchen sink: Add a kid, add hackman lex, add peeping in, add torture, add STM lines.... Whoa! slow down... Take it easy with all this, singer. He definitely lost a sense of balance in my opinion. Donner had balance. His film was of course meant to try to something new with superman, but also respect the hero's roots as much as possible for the time. That's the best approach in my mind. Respect superman's roots because that's who he is fundamentally. Change that core aspect of his character with super kids and rehashing old stories while breaking his relationship with lois, and... golly, why bother? It's not superman anymore. I'm trying to say that Superman's current iteration becomes overshadowed by the constant referrences and winks to past stories. It's the quest for homage and the dawn of super kid. :dry: super kid... super kid... super kid... super kid...

[Showtime]

Date in print: Thurs., Mar. 16, 2006, Los Angeles


Originally Printed by Variety
The Tony-winning thesp is again in blockbuster mode, with a third "X-Men" installment opening in May (and a fourth pic in the series, "Wolverine," announced for '07). He also has voice roles in several upcoming animated features -- DreamWorks' "Flushed Away" and Warner's "Happy Feet" open later this year -- as well as leading roles in the Darren Aronofsky-helmed sci-fier "The Fountain" alongside Rachel Weisz and the Christopher Nolan-directed actioner "The Prestige," which are in varying stages of production. And that's still not all: Jackman recently wrapped "Scoop," the next Woody Allen pic, which co-stars Scarlet Johansson, and he has a cameo in Bryan Singer's upcoming "Superman Returns," playing the Man of Steel's young dad in flashback mode.

[Maze]

Good call Showtime :)

Younis was talking about this mistake on his site too .

i hope ,we'll know the truth soon , ;) )

[ervann]

pretty much, though i would say at this point, it;s much more the latter than the first one.

The fact is, and i am hoping W.B. realizes this-Singer will make a good movie. And it will make good money. But will it be the BEST movie? Make the MOST money? They can settle or they can go for the gold.
Singer's a very capible director, but there are better choices who probably have better stories.

The fact is, and id ont care what anybody says, theres NO WAY he can do a brand new movies production, pre production, post production, ect. and all that **** and STILL be ready to roll cameras in march 08.

it's IMPOSSIBLE. Prep production-and I mean hardcore set desgining, figure out what will and wont be fx, casting, ect. will have to begin in september at the latest and that would command all of singers attention. That would give him 5-6 months to make this new film, which, even if your spielberg, cannot be done.

Im honestly expecting some sort of announcement any day because they wont want to delay this. people will forget bout returns. I mean, I like Superman Returns. I like singer. but after seeing his shot at Superman.... i feel he will be doing more damage than repairs if he does a sequel. His mind seems to be a freethinking one

-"lets give lois a kid!"
-"lets make it supermans!"
-"lets make so its literally impossible to have lois n superman be together"
-"lets have lex be like gene hackman"
ect.

I mean WHAT IN BLUE HELL would make him think anybody would ever like those ideas? They worked, sure, but did I really like them? It could of been a helluva lot better, and those are just examples of him doing things that seem to be what he wants to see more than anything else. We need someone who wants to make a good, fun film.

Superman needs to be half popcorn movie and half shakespearse-not 3/4's chick flick and 1/4 disaster movie, and correct me if im wrong, but i see no way that Singer can make a popcorn movie; his films are way too intelectual.

The superman story should be of been very simple and hard to mess up, but he tried so hard to complicate it that it got stupid and the sequels going to be very hard to make as a continuity because of his complications.

:up::up::up:

[FlawlessVictory]

Date in print: Thurs., Mar. 16, 2006, Los Angeles

Nice one Showtime!

[FlawlessVictory]

I think being a smart film with interesting themes and such is great, nothing wrong with that. It actually makes movies worth watching as I get older because I look for more meaning in the stories. For example I can't really get through an episode of superfriends anymore since they're so lame. But give me Batman TAS or any other bruce timm, paul dini, Dwayne Mcduffe cartoon and it's heaven because they add real drama, good acting, character changes and story continuity. They're the BEST as far as superhero adaptations are concerned these days, but because they don't do them as live action films, they're unjustifiably under appreciated for what they tried to do. Just look at that The BAtman show. That's what Batman TAS would hav been if Timm didn't have an interest in actually putting together something faithful to the source as well as intelligent, intriguing, overall just excellent stuff.

That's why I loved singer's x-men flicks. He showed the same sense of striving to add depth to what's not really taken seriously. And I see he tries the same with superman, but this time he got carried away as you say... given too much freedom to just throw in the kitchen sink: Add a kid, add hackman lex, add peeping in, add torture, add STM lines.... Whoa! slow down... Take it easy with all this, singer. He definitely lost a sense of balance in my opinion. Donner had balance. His film was of course meant to try to something new with superman, but also respect the hero's roots as much as possible for the time. That's the best approach in my mind. Respect superman's roots because that's who he is fundamentally. Change that core aspect of his character with super kids and rehashing old stories while breaking his relationship with lois, and... golly, why bother? It's not superman anymore. I'm trying to say that Superman's current iteration becomes overshadowed by the constant referrences and winks to past stories. It's the quest for homage and the dawn of super kid. :dry: super kid... super kid... super kid... super kid...

:up::up::up:

[FlawlessVictory]

-"lets give lois a kid!"
-"lets make it supermans!"
-"lets make so its literally impossible to have lois n superman be together"
-"lets have lex be like gene hackman"
ect.

I mean WHAT IN BLUE HELL would make him think anybody would ever like those ideas?

I wish I had the answer. :csad:

[Showtime]

Nice one Showtime!

Do you really like March 16 or something?

[FlawlessVictory]

Do you really like March 16 or something?

LOL. I liked your quote of Variety, pointing out how they reported Hugh Jackman was gonna be in SR. :yay:

[Showtime]

LOL. I liked your quote of Variety, pointing out how they reported Hugh Jackman was gonna be in SR. :yay:

Heh Heh. They must have cut that scene. :cwink:

[Matt]

Any update?

[Showtime]

I've been to lazy to take my trash out of the kitchen for the last couple days, I would say the update is pretty smelly.

or

I've been to lazy to take my trash out of the kitchen for the last couple days, but that update stinks.

[TheBat812]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/772/772658p1.html

Given that they have a singer quote, I'm guessing it's fairly accurate (unless the quote is fabricated). Either way, I don't think this will have a huge effect on Superman. This will probably be a 60-90 day shoot, still leaving plenty of time for Superman, and even if he does oversee the editing, it will probably become a secondary job second to preproduction.

[BH/HHH]

I was gonna say that its not gonna take that long to make his upcoming film, trust me it'l be out in '09.

[Matt]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/772/772658p1.html

Given that they have a singer quote, I'm guessing it's fairly accurate (unless the quote is fabricated). Either way, I don't think this will have a huge effect on Superman. This will probably be a 60-90 day shoot, still leaving plenty of time for Superman, and even if he does oversee the editing, it will probably become a secondary job second to preproduction.

Time pieces do have a tendency to take some time to film. There is a lot of set design and building involved. There is costume selection. Depending on if there are any WWII battle scenes, there will be that to oversee. It really all depends on what the script is like and how involved Singer is in pre/post production. Being as it is McQuarrie's script...I would guess he and Singer brought this to United Artists, not the other way around...therefore I could see Singer being very involved. It all depends. At anyrate, I think as of now we KNOW Singer is doing this movie.

[I_Hate_U_All]

Hmm, I'm thinking that since it's confirmed he's doing a different film as his next project, if WB will start considering other directors... or as in the Hulk's case, shelf the idea of a sequel until years later when the idea is resurrected (I'm not sure whether Incredible Hulk will be a sequel to Ang Lee's hulk or another "vauge sequel" thing much like singer's superman, which was a poor idea for all the confusion it caused.)

[Maze]

Well it has been confirmed since yesterday.

what is not confirmed is that if yes or not it delay the movie (Warner not saying anything is becoming suspicious that say )

Now , when i see that Nolan had the time to do the Prestige between Batman Begins and Dk i fail to see why Singer could not do his WW2 movie ,as it is even more reportedly a moderate budget (compared to his last movies)

[Norm3]

Variety reports that United Artists has green-lit Bryan Singer's next movie, in which he will team up once again with "The Usual Suspects" screenwriter Chris McQuarrie. The report also claims that the World War II film will "delay Warner Bros.' hope of mounting a sequel to Superman Returns in the near future." The Superman Homepage has found out that this claim is false, with Warner Bros. and Bryan Singer reportedly on track to start filming the sequel to "Superman Returns" around March of 2008 as previously planned. http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php

:woot: :up: :up:

[Maze]

Well, thanks :) but we got that news yesterday too.

The problem is that Warner is not talking yet..and if there was some kind of mistake why would they not?

now ;Steve Younis has always been accurate to my knowledge so i don't see why it would be different.. , and Variety even if it is the "bible of Hollywood" did at least one mistake with their news of Hugh jackman cast as Johnattan Kent.

A confirmation or a debunk will be nice Warner.

[Norm3]

I sent this info to you & other sites yesterday.

[Ita-KalEl]

By now 'till the Warner Bros official confirmation of the sequel, we can't be sure. The good thing is that with a 2009 release, they have to say something soon. :)

[Retroman]

Weird...i've not seen anything Warner Bros related coming from Showest.Nothing from their big releases such as Beowulf, I Am Legend, The Invasion, Harry Potter much less SR2. Perhaps today on the final day?

[Matt]

Longer Warner takes the more likely all of this becomes.

[The Punisher]

Variety reports that United Artists has green-lit Bryan Singer's next movie, in which he will team up once again with "The Usual Suspects" screenwriter Chris McQuarrie. The report also claims that the World War II film will "delay Warner Bros.' hope of mounting a sequel to Superman Returns in the near future." The Superman Homepage has found out that this claim is false, with Warner Bros. and Bryan Singer reportedly on track to start filming the sequel to "Superman Returns" around March of 2008 as previously planned. http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php

:woot: :up: :up:

Let's hope it's true then.

[Hunter Rider]

Weird...i've not seen anything Warner Bros related coming from Showest.Nothing from their big releases such as Beowulf, I Am Legend, The Invasion, Harry Potter much less SR2. Perhaps today on the final day?

I think there was a trailer for Invasion shown there as Latino Review had a cam photo of it.

[Spiderine]

I hope its not delayed.

[PSU442]

i'm still amazed people think WB is going to shelf the franchise. With or without Singer, Superman is too big of a tent-pole for them not to make follow-ups. WB (and all major studios) need tent-poles to hold up the rest of the productions for the year (hence the term.) The film may not of been the summer blockbuster they wanted but it did pull a profit and I'm betting the marketing and merchandise tie-ins have made a chunk as well. WB has also been given two blessings with V for Vendetta and now 300 being 'big.' The success of those two movies alone secures another Superman (not to mention the Batman franchise.) So, what I'm saying is this: Don't worry, we'll get another Superman movie.

[Excel]

wb will not shelf the franchise. they will force singer to make a choice if they want t out in 09.

[Excel]

I think there was a trailer for Invasion shown there as Latino Review had a cam photo of it.

where is this?

[Matt]

i'm still amazed people think WB is going to shelf the franchise. With or without Singer, Superman is too big of a tent-pole for them not to make follow-ups. WB (and all major studios) need tent-poles to hold up the rest of the productions for the year (hence the term.) The film may not of been the summer blockbuster they wanted but it did pull a profit and I'm betting the marketing and merchandise tie-ins have made a chunk as well. WB has also been given two blessings with V for Vendetta and now 300 being 'big.' The success of those two movies alone secures another Superman (not to mention the Batman franchise.) So, what I'm saying is this: Don't worry, we'll get another Superman movie.

It might not be a bad idea to shelf it for a few years. Finish off the Harry Potter franchise in 2010, finish the Batman trilogy in 2011, let the bad buzz of SR die down...then bring it back in 2012 as a restart when WB no longer has Harry Potter to fall back on and NEEDS a flagship franchise.

[Showtime]

It might not be a bad idea to shelf it for a few years. Finish off the Harry Potter franchise in 2010, finish the Batman trilogy in 2011, let the bad buzz of SR die down...then bring it back in 2012 as a restart when WB no longer has Harry Potter to fall back on and NEEDS a flagship franchise.

I think Matt has been taken over by Lexlives. Matt can you hear me. It's me. Showtime.

[Matt]

I think Matt has been taken over by Lexlives. Matt can you hear me. It's me. Showtime.

Haha, I'm just talking from a fiscal stand point from WB's point of view. They have three major franchises in play right now. Superman Returns, Harry Potter, and Batman Begins.

So far we've seen two major superhero franchises hit the three movie mark...X-Men and Blade. They have both fizzled out. It seems to be the point where the actors want out, and judging by the 90s Batmans, where ****s hits the fan. Potter is set to expire in 2010 when the final book is made...and then going by the three rule, Batman in 2011, Superman, 2012. That is three major franchises down the ****ter. To shelve Superman and begin a new in 2012 will give them a franchise to rely on while they explore new possibilites following their most profitable franchise going away in 2010.

[Freddy_Krueger]

wb will not shelf the franchise. they will force singer to make a choice if they want t out in 09.

If he even has to make a choice. He always said that he'd be making a smaller movie between SR and SR2 and he could very well have plenty of time to shoot this film over the summer, do post, and do pre-production on SR before the Marchish 2008 start date.

Of course, at this point everyone's going in circles, including myself. But, yeah, WB will most certainly not shelve the franchise. They feel they've finally gotten both Batman and Superman off the ground, and the goal is to keep both current franchises going.

[Showtime]

Haha, I'm just talking from a fiscal stand point from WB's point of view. They have three major franchises in play right now. Superman Returns, Harry Potter, and Batman Begins.

So far we've seen two major superhero franchises hit the three movie mark...X-Men and Blade. They have both fizzled out. It seems to be the point where the actors want out, and judging by the 90s Batmans, where ****s hits the fan. Potter is set to expire in 2010 when the final book is made...and then going by the three rule, Batman in 2011, Superman, 2012. That is three major franchises down the ****ter. To shelve Superman and begin a new in 2012 will give them a franchise to rely on while they explore new possibilites following their most profitable franchise going away in 2010.

As always, valid points. Potter is running 7 movies total right, so 2 more after this next one by 2010? I guess that is possible.

I think shelving Superman will have the opposite effect, even more disinterest. If you see an amped Superman with a supervillian an action in the next couple years when superhero films are still relevant it will have more of an impact.

[Showtime]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Superman-Fans-Versus-Variety-4691.html

Work on the sequel to Superman Returns hasn’t even started yet, and already the production is fraught with controversy. A few days ago Variety reported that rather than getting started on his next Superman movie, director Bryan Singer was planning to do two other, unrelated films. Variety stated that this would delay work on the much anticipated Superman Returns sequel, which Warners had been in a hurry to get going.

But, mere moments after Variety posted the story Superman fans instantly entered a state of complete denial. A site called the Superman Homepage posted a cryptic announcement in which they say Variety’s report is flat out false. They insist that the Superman Returns sequel will still start filming around March 2008. Unfortunately, they offer no evidence or explanation to support their claim. They simply call Variety a bunch of liars.

Now I’m all for taking down the big dog, and I really hope the Superman Homepage is right because I need more Superman and I need it bad. Variety is far from perfect, and lately they’ve dropped the ball once or twice. But if you’re going to take on Variety, it’s probably a good idea to do it with a bit more than a half-assed “because I said so”. At least blame it on an anonymous source or something. Until the Superman Homepage or someone else can come up with a little more evidence to support their scoop, take it in with a healthy dose of extreme skepticism.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Steve's basic response to that was, "Well, according to these people I have no credibility."

I would put more trust in Steve than Cinemablend. Cinemablend also said that Routh working between SR and SR2 was the final nail in the coffin, so I'll take what they say with a grain of salt. ;)

[Showtime]

I am going to keep my source anonymous of course and just tell you that they have been quite reliable in the past.

As most of you know, I wouldn't post something like this unless I thought it might be of merit and spark of validity. Of course, I would not bet the Kent Farm on it, but take it for what you will.

"Singer is not cut loose but he knows that the WB can still make a Superman movie without him. It however will not have anything to do with the Superman Returns film franchise. There is a small team together looking for other options to keep the Superman movie franchise going.

These options are not only a new story, but a new cast, and while Brandon Routh is liked the possibility of casting a known actor is now at the forefront in order to convince the general public this is something TOTALLY new and has nothing to do with the Superman Returns franchise.

The WB does not want to pull the plug on the Superman franchise. Instead they want to give the reigns of the project to a new creative team. They are specifically looking into the Wachowski Bros. If a deal is not made within the next 6 months, they may go ahead with the Singer sequel with decent sized budget cuts and push the new Superman franchise back an extra few years (maybe 2012??)

That's why Singer has been given time to make another movie, and yes there is a delay on Superman Returns. WB is not commenting as of yet to keep things a little quiet while they decide if the possibility of the Wachowski Bros is large enough to flat out dump Singer."

[dark_b]

I am going to keep my source anonymous of course and just tell you that they have been quite reliable in the past.

As most of you know, I wouldn't post something like this unless I thought it might be of merit and spark of validity. Of course, I would not bet the Kent Farm on it, but take it for what you will.

"Singer is not cut loose but he knows that the WB can still make a Superman movie without him. It however will not have anything to do with the Superman Returns film franchise. There is a small team together looking for other options to keep the Superman movie franchise going.

These options are not only a new story, but a new cast, and while Brandon Routh is liked the possibility of casting a known actor is now at the forefront in order to convince the general public this is something TOTALLY new and has nothing to do with the Superman Returns franchise.

The WB does not want to pull the plug on the Superman franchise. Instead they want to give the reigns of the project to a new creative team. They are specifically looking into the Wachowski Bros. If a deal is not made within the next 6 months, they may go ahead with the Singer sequel with decent sized budget cuts and push the new Superman franchise back an extra few years (maybe 2012??)

That's why Singer has been given time to make another movie, and yes there is a delay on Superman Returns. WB is not commenting as of yet to keep things a little quiet while they decide if the possibility of the Wachowski Bros is large enough to flat out dump Singer."this is not possible. to radical.

[I_Hate_U_All]

Hell yeah. I'm fine with the Wachowski's only if they don't cast Keanu as Superman.

[dark_b]

Hell yeah. I'm fine with the Wachowski's only if they don't cast Keanu as Superman.
why would they cast keanu as superman. did they cast someone from the matrix moveis in V for vendetta? :o

whait a minute :wow::oldrazz:

:woot:

[Ita-KalEl]

I am going to keep my source anonymous of course and just tell you that they have been quite reliable in the past.

As most of you know, I wouldn't post something like this unless I thought it might be of merit and spark of validity. Of course, I would not bet the Kent Farm on it, but take it for what you will.

"Singer is not cut loose but he knows that the WB can still make a Superman movie without him. It however will not have anything to do with the Superman Returns film franchise. There is a small team together looking for other options to keep the Superman movie franchise going.

These options are not only a new story, but a new cast, and while Brandon Routh is liked the possibility of casting a known actor is now at the forefront in order to convince the general public this is something TOTALLY new and has nothing to do with the Superman Returns franchise.

The WB does not want to pull the plug on the Superman franchise. Instead they want to give the reigns of the project to a new creative team. They are specifically looking into the Wachowski Bros. If a deal is not made within the next 6 months, they may go ahead with the Singer sequel with decent sized budget cuts and push the new Superman franchise back an extra few years (maybe 2012??)

That's why Singer has been given time to make another movie, and yes there is a delay on Superman Returns. WB is not commenting as of yet to keep things a little quiet while they decide if the possibility of the Wachowski Bros is large enough to flat out dump Singer."

It sounds false. It would be the end of the Superman franchise. IMO a restart it is the worst option for the studio, infact if they are going to stop the SR sequel, we'll not see another Superman movie for 10-20 years.
We need some official news, because I can't live again with the "reign of the development hell", where everyone has top-secret informations. Please not again :)

[Ita-KalEl]

Sorry, double post

[Ita-KalEl]

Not again another delelopment hell!

[superbaby]

Not again another delelopment hell!
don't worry. we might not live that long. and at least you like SR. and you have got the superman movie you want. some of us have been waiting 14+ years and got nothing.

[Ita-KalEl]

don't worry. we might not live that long. and at least you like SR. and you have got the superman movie you want. some of us have been waiting 14+ years and got nothing.

LOL good point. Yes I liked SR, but I want more...at least a battle versus a supervillain.

[superbaby]

LOL good point. Yes I liked SR, but I want more...at least a battle versus a supervillain.
watch the cartoon series then.

[Ita-KalEl]

watch the cartoon series then.

No! :oldrazz:
It would be a shame: 3 Spider-man movies, 3 X-Men movies, 2 Bat-Man movies, Iron Man, 2 FF movies, and only one Superman movie?

[superbaby]

No! :oldrazz:
It would be a shame: 3 Spider-man movies, 3 X-Men movies, 2 Bat-Man movies, Iron Man, 2 FF movies, and only one Superman movie?
what to do... superman is the loser... just have to learn to accept it.

i remembered that before SR was released, that were a lot of talks about the sequel that it was on the progress and probably would be out during 2008.

after SR released... everything is over...
only my wait for a fantastic superman movie is still going on. :cmad:

[Showtime]

I am just supplying the information, I can't 100% confirm or deny any of it. I can only tell you this source has come through in the past. I am sharing the information and you can draw your own conclusions.

Most of you know that I really enjoyed Superman Returns and what Singer did with it and am partial to Mike and Dan as writers. The team that brought Superman back to the screen with Returns is the team I want to see do the sequel. That being said I wanted to throw this out there, not because it adds fuel to the fire, but because it is information I thought should be shared.

[Super Kal]

I would love to see Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale write a script.

[Matt]

Ok, I've been here six years and never really posted information before...because well, this is the first time I've had any...but I am hearing things from a source I trust immensely...and it is very much like what Showtime is hearing. Of course nothing is set in stone, and Singer is still on board...but right now it is seeming like all of that does have potential to change.

[Kid_Kaos]

I and many others on this board said it before: another TV project ("Metropolis", Supergirl, JLA) is more promising than a Singer sequel. WB (or rather "Time Warner") have to answer to their shareholders and when a franchise like Superman can't make the minimum that EVERYONE expected, it's more likley to be over or get a complete makeover before it sees the light of the day again.

Even a "Smallville"-like Straight-To-DVD movie with Welling or a new cast is more likely to happen than a sequel. It was just a matter of time before the smart a$$ed Singer fans would see the reality like the rest of the world already did last year.

In the eyes of WB: SR failed = Singer failed = Superman failed

Now we just have to wait another couple of weeks to get the official statement. It's like WW/Flash all over again. They will wait for Singer's script, then part their ways over "artistic differences" or whatever they'll call it.

Goodbye Singerman! :oldrazz:

[Hunter Rider]

I think rebooting so soon would be ballsy,not sure if they would do that but with the Wachowskis and a name actor it may be pulled off.

[GreenKToo]

This source is not who I think it is, is it??:oldrazz: I am just supplying the information, I can't 100% confirm or deny any of it. I can only tell you this source has come through in the past. I am sharing the information and you can draw your own conclusions.

Most of you know that I really enjoyed Superman Returns and what Singer did with it and am partial to Mike and Dan as writers. The team that brought Superman back to the screen with Returns is the team I want to see do the sequel. That being said I wanted to throw this out there, not because it adds fuel to the fire, but because it is information I thought should be shared.

[FlawlessVictory]

The Wachowski brothers have been quoted as saying they would like to be involved in more family oriented movies which is why they are doing Speed Racer. Superman could fall into this category. I'm not saying it would be a kids movie but it wouldn't be your typical Wachowski film either as it would be much brighter and "fun".

[GreenKToo]

well, they say going a new direction has nothing to do with S.R., but the perception will be there that it is.(if they do go that way)

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I am going to keep my source anonymous of course and just tell you that they have been quite reliable in the past.

As most of you know, I wouldn't post something like this unless I thought it might be of merit and spark of validity. Of course, I would not bet the Kent Farm on it, but take it for what you will.

"Singer is not cut loose but he knows that the WB can still make a Superman movie without him. It however will not have anything to do with the Superman Returns film franchise. There is a small team together looking for other options to keep the Superman movie franchise going.

These options are not only a new story, but a new cast, and while Brandon Routh is liked the possibility of casting a known actor is now at the forefront in order to convince the general public this is something TOTALLY new and has nothing to do with the Superman Returns franchise.

The WB does not want to pull the plug on the Superman franchise. Instead they want to give the reigns of the project to a new creative team. They are specifically looking into the Wachowski Bros. If a deal is not made within the next 6 months, they may go ahead with the Singer sequel with decent sized budget cuts and push the new Superman franchise back an extra few years (maybe 2012??)

That's why Singer has been given time to make another movie, and yes there is a delay on Superman Returns. WB is not commenting as of yet to keep things a little quiet while they decide if the possibility of the Wachowski Bros is large enough to flat out dump Singer."

Not that i doubt you Showtime or are calling you a liar, but i just dont believe this.

Also, i'm beginning to not believe this new rumour from Variety about Singer doing this WWII movie. Singer turned down X-Men 4 because he would be too busy working on SR2 didnt he, so why would he know take on another project, wouldnt he still be just as busy with SR2?

[Hunter Rider]

Not that i doubt you Showtime or are calling you a liar, but i just dont believe this.

Also, i'm beginning to not believe this new rumour from Variety about Singer doing this WWII movie. Singer turned down X-Men 4 because he would be too busy working on SR2 didnt he, so why would he know take on another project, wouldnt he still be just as busy with SR2?

X4 would be a massive undertaking where as the WWII movie is a small thriller.

[GreenKToo]

As much as alot of us enjoyed S.R., we shouldnt be surprised that the rumor has surfaced, seeing how the public seems to be split 50/50 on it. 6 months of speculation to look forward to, oh boy I cant wait.:(

[FlawlessVictory]

Not that i doubt you Showtime or are calling you a liar, but i just dont believe this.

Also, i'm beginning to not believe this new rumour from Variety about Singer doing this WWII movie. Singer turned down X-Men 4 because he would be too busy working on SR2 didnt he, so why would he know take on another project, wouldnt he still be just as busy with SR2?

From Singer himself: "This was something Chris showed me late last year, and we worked on it quietly during the holidays," Singer told Daily Variety. "We brought it to UA and it was nice one-stop shopping. We decided it was the right place to make this movie, as opposed to shopping it around. It's a period in history that has always fascinated me, and we found a very interesting story that materialized into a pretty wonderful script."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961116.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


Still don't believe Singer is making that movie?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

From Singer himself: "This was something Chris showed me late last year, and we worked on it quietly during the holidays," Singer told Daily Variety. "We brought it to UA and it was nice one-stop shopping. We decided it was the right place to make this movie, as opposed to shopping it around. It's a period in history that has always fascinated me, and we found a very interesting story that materialized into a pretty wonderful script."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961116.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


Still don't believe Singer is making that movie?

No, because Mcquarrie is a pretty competent director himself, so why would he give this to someone else?

[fabman]

Probably because he has already worked with Bryan Singer on 'The Usual Suspects'? It's nothing new that a scribe turned director goes back to write with another one directing...

[Maze]

No, because Mcquarrie is a pretty competent director himself, so why would he give this to someone else?

Ave :yay:

maybe because mc Quarrie while a competent director yes ( i liked way of the gun) has not a lot of power in Hollywood as a director ..and recently he didn't get any hit.When Singer is attached to a movie it has more chance to be made ( apart from the Superman sequel? lol i laugh but i will not be amused if that happen believe me ;) )

this could be Mc Quarrie great come back.

ps: and this is a direct quote from Singer Ave

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Probably because he has already worked with Bryan Singer on 'The Usual Suspects'? It's nothing new that a scribe turned director goes back to write with another one directing...

That normally only happens when the writer is a poor director though. Plus these guys havent worked together in over 10 years.

[fabman]

Even better. It could be McQuarrie's comeback and a great new movie by the duo...

[Maze]

Even better. It could be McQuarrie's comeback and a great new movie by the duo...

Yup yup.

[Showtime]

Not that i doubt you Showtime or are calling you a liar, but i just dont believe this.

Also, i'm beginning to not believe this new rumour from Variety about Singer doing this WWII movie. Singer turned down X-Men 4 because he would be too busy working on SR2 didnt he, so why would he know take on another project, wouldnt he still be just as busy with SR2?

I understand, it's quite the story. Again, I just wanted to give you guys this information, because I felt wrong holding it back.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm thinking UA took the pitch on the promise of Singer directing.

[Showtime]

I'm thinking UA took the pitch on the promise of Singer directing.

I am with you on that, considering the quotes praising Singer as a director. Package deal.

[Maze]

I'm thinking UA took the pitch on the promise of Singer directing.

it's obvious imo too.

[Maze]

As for the Wahsowhski/reboot rumors in some years ( thanks showtime for the info :cwink: ) i think it's a terrible idea imo.

personnaly i think that the Washowski are not that good since Reloaded.

Now,they could understand their errors (that i find ) in both storytelling and actors direction , we never know.. but like that i shudder to think about a Superman Washowksi.

as for a reboot yes it is ballsy , but i don't think that it is a right idea before at least 20 years.( i could have said 21 it was just to give an important number lol )

i am from the camp of people who believe that a true reboot would have tanked with the general public.. everybody would have compared it unfavorably to the Donner movies.

Nolan had the chance that even if Burton movies are liked even loved ( and i like them a lot) they are not as fondly remembered as the Superman Donner movie..

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I am with you on that, considering the quotes praising Singer as a director. Package deal.

I'm not doubting you or your source Showtime, and i appreciate the info, but that just seems a bit too radical for me. But it could all be true, we'll have to wait and see.

[green]

That normally only happens when the writer is a poor director though. Plus these guys havent worked together in over 10 years.

They have been friends since high school, they had a bit of a falling out a few years ago and did their own thing for awhile but its not suprising they are working together again.

As for the W Bro's, Im not crazy about it. I also think it's a little odd. Warners seems to be using them as their go to guys whenever they have a problem (see the production on the movie The Invasion).

[fabman]

Well, I'd take it to the bank that Bryan Singer is doing this movie before the 'Superman Returns' sequel, what I'm not sure of is that it would delay the sequel.

Only time will tell what happens to the Superman franchise!

[Hunter Rider]

I'm doubting you or your source Showtime, and i appreciate the info, but that just seems a bit too radical for me. But it could all be true, we'll have to wait and see.

Truth is even if Singer is attached to this WWII movie he can do both.

[FlawlessVictory]

It's a shame b/c Singer is such a great director but his story ideas need help, IMO. Because of that, I would prefer a Wachowski bros. reboot to a Singer sequel.

[Hunter Rider]

As for the Wahsowhski/reboot rumors in some years ( thanks showtime for the info :cwink: ) i think it's a terrible idea imo.

personnaly i think that the Washowski are not that good since Reloaded.

Now,they could understand their errors (that i find ) in both storytelling and actors direction , we never know.. but like that i shudder to think about a Superman Washowksi.

as for a reboot yes it is ballsy , but i don't think that it is a right idea before at least 20 years.( i could have said 21 it was just to give an important number lol )

i am from the camp of people who believe that a true reboot would have tanked with the general public.. everybody would have compared it unfavorably to the Donner movies.

Nolan had the chance that even if Burton movies are liked even loved ( and i like them a lot) they are not as fondly remembered as the Superman Donner movie..

At this point i could see WB just throwing caution to the wind and turning to their regulars to recoup the situation for them.

[Maze]

the variety article insisted on "moderate budget"Yes he can do both

Nolan did it , Singer can do it.

if Warner dump him officially for that it will be a poor excuse .

[Showtime]

I'm doubting you or your source Showtime, and i appreciate the info, but that just seems a bit too radical for me. But it could all be true, we'll have to wait and see.

I'm refering to the deal Singer worked out with UA as a package deal in the post you responded to, writer/director.

[Maze]

At this point i could see WB just throwing caution to the wind and turning to their regulars to recoup the situation for them.

I could see them do that yes.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm refering to the deal Singer worked out with UA as a package deal in the post you responded to, writer/director.

Sorry i meant to say i'm not doubting you or your source showtime, sorry.

[Showtime]

Sorry i meant to say i'm not doubting you or your source showtime, sorry.

It's OK to have doubt about the information. I am very reserved about it as well, but I thought it was best to post it.

[jrd550]

Can Singer do both? Yes. Question is does he want to. Or does he want a long break? Or did WB fire him? The only thing that worries me is that WB seems to be making some rash decisions in favor of safer bets by getting Goyer off of the Flash and Whedon Wonder Woman...

[fabman]

I Wished 'superman Returns' Would've Been A Real Crow-pleaser So We Wouldn't Have Had These 'problems.'

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's OK to have doubt about the information. I am very reserved about it as well, but I thought it was best to post it.

Well thanks for the info anyway. Have MD or DH not been in touch with you? I understand if you cant say if they have though.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Wow, that was some strange...rumor to wake up to. I certainly hope WB wouldn't just throw out everything they did and get rid of Brandon, Singer, Dougherty and Harris and go with the...Wachowskis. Ewww.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Can Singer do both? Yes. Question is does he want to. Or does he want a long break? Or did WB fire him? The only thing that worries me is that WB seems to be making some rash decisions in favor of safer bets by getting Goyer off of the Flash and Whedon Wonder Woman...

Well i'm very surprised they let Whedon go off WW, i thought he would have made a great movie out of that, i think he is very talented after watching Firefly and Serenity.

[FlawlessVictory]

Can Singer do both? Yes. Question is does he want to. Or does he want a long break? Or did WB fire him? The only thing that worries me is that WB seems to be making some rash decisions in favor of safer bets by getting Goyer off of the Flash and Whedon Wonder Woman...

I'm happy as long as Nolan stays to do at least 3 Batman films and WB greenlights an R rated Snyder directed Watchmen.

[fabman]

I'm happy as long as Nolan stays to do at least three Batman films and Bryan Singer does, too, at least three Superman films and WB greenlights an R rated Snyder directed Watchmen...

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm happy as long as Nolan stays to do at least three Batman films and Bryan Singer does, too, at least three Superman films and WB greenlights an R rated Snyder directed Watchmen...

Hehe :yay:

[Maze]

Bottom line ,whatever is happenning right now personnaly, i wan't Singer on a Superman sequel in 2009.

[Showtime]

Well thanks for the info anyway. Have MD or DH not been in touch with you? I understand if you cant say if they have though.

Mr. Deeds and Doogie Howser?

Mr. Deeds and I had a fallout over money and his charred foot, and well Doogie misdiagnosed me. Needless to say it's been a trying week.

[fabman]

:p

You know who he's talking 'bout... they're called Mike and Dan...

[Maze]

I'm happy as long as Nolan stays to do at least three Batman films and Bryan Singer does, too, at least three Superman films and WB greenlights an R rated Snyder directed Watchmen...maze : and a 150 millions dollars budget :woot:

voilaaa .:woot: :cwink:

[Hunter Rider]

Bottom line ,whatever is happenning right now personnaly, i wan't Singer on a Superman sequel in 2009.

I respect that and i am not against Singer on it either i am just also open to these other ideas as well,what i really am looking forward to is this WWII thriller,i hope it's true at least that Singer is directing it as it sounds promising IMO.

[fabman]

I think it's true or Paula Wagner and Singer wouldn't have commented the news!

Anyway, while I'm open to a reboot after Bryan Singer completes his story arc all I want to hear is that Singer, Dougherty and Harris are working on the 'Superman Returns' sequel which is still slated for summer 2009...

[Maze]

I respect that and i am not against Singer on it either i am just also open to these other ideas as well,what i really am looking forward to is this WWII thriller,i hope it's true at least that Singer is directing it as it sounds promising IMO.

you know , that said, i am over excited by his return to that genre too..:hyper:

Let's say that when i read the article i was like two person in one you know?:o :woot:

[Showtime]

I am confused why the Variety report that Singer is going to helm this new WWII story is being shunned? It's all right there in print, it may not happen, but that is the intention.

I can see why people are questioning that this might delay the sequel, because that is debatable, but I think its pretty much a lock he is doing another movie on hiatus from Superman and it will not be Nottingham but this WWII story.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Mr. Deeds and Doogie Howser?

Mr. Deeds and I had a fallout over money and his charred foot, and well Doogie misdiagnosed me. Needless to say it's been a trying week.

Ha ha, well i hope it turns out well!

Bottom line ,whatever is happenning right now personnaly, i wan't Singer on a Superman sequel in 2009.

Yeah, this is what i'm hoping for too.

[fabman]

Yep, just what I said. Singer will do the WWII movie first but I still don't know if this is going to delay the 'SR' sequel. I've heard that Singer, Doughert and Harris have time until May / June to send in their budget script.

[Maze]

I think it's true or Paula Wagner and Singer wouldn't have commented the news!

Anyway, while I'm open to a reboot after Bryan Singer completes his story arc all I want to hear is that Singer, Dougherty and Harris are working on the 'Superman Returns' sequel which is still slated for summer 2009...

Ditto.

i'm intrigued by the ideas of Singer .

[FlawlessVictory]

I am confused why the Variety report that Singer is going to helm this new WWII story is being shunned? It's all right there in print, it may not happen, but that is the intention.

I can see why people are questioning that this might delay the sequel, because that is debatable, but I think its pretty much a lock he is doing another movie on hiatus from Superman and it will not be Nottingham but this WWII story.

Well, to be fair, I think it was only AVEITWITHJAMON that was doubting Singer is directing this WW2 story. It seems pretty clear to me that Singer's intent is to direct this WW2 film. Everyone else is not sure where the SR sequel stands.

[bgshw44]

As for the Wahsowhski/reboot rumors in some years ( thanks showtime for the info :cwink: ) i think it's a terrible idea imo.

personnaly i think that the Washowski are not that good since Reloaded.

Now,they could understand their errors (that i find ) in both storytelling and actors direction , we never know.. but like that i shudder to think about a Superman Washowksi.

as for a reboot yes it is ballsy , but i don't think that it is a right idea before at least 20 years.( i could have said 21 it was just to give an important number lol )

i am from the camp of people who believe that a true reboot would have tanked with the general public.. everybody would have compared it unfavorably to the Donner movies.

Nolan had the chance that even if Burton movies are liked even loved ( and i like them a lot) they are not as fondly remembered as the Superman Donner movie..

Agree 100%

[blueboy]

I said this earlier in the thread, but I thought I'd repost just to get some of your thoughts....


But then again if you look at the Superman Returns Doc, they started shooting in March 2005, and the film came out in June 2006...

Pre-Production lasted a few months before obviously... I'm guessing as long as Singer stays on schedule with his new film, then he can finish up and slide right into prep on Superman....

But my question is, is Singer bringing his whole team with him on this new movie? The Dp, Production Designer, Composer/Editor? If so, then it seems like things will be a lot harder maybe?

[Hunter Rider]

you know , that said, i am over excited by his return to that genre too..:hyper:

Let's say that when i read the article i was like two person in one you know?:o :woot:

I gotcha,you're conflicted,you want BOTH:woot::cwink:

[fabman]

Well, I think there's one little detail we don't know yet but which is very important: when does Bryan Singer start filming his WWII movie? ;)

[Maze]

I gotcha,you're conflicted,you want BOTH:woot::cwink:

:woot: :cwink:


















and 150 millions for Snyder :woot:

but let's stay on topic :ninja: :woot:

[Freddy_Krueger]

Well, I think there's one little detail we don't know yet but which is very important: when does Bryan Singer start filming his WWII movie? ;)

This summer.

[Maze]

Well, I think there's one little detail we don't know yet but which is very important: when does Bryan Singer start filming his WWII movie? ;)

The new project begins production this summer.
yup , does this mean prep or shooting?:ninja: :o

[dark_b]

I understand, it's quite the story. Again, I just wanted to give you guys this information, because I felt wrong holding it back.thank you.

it would make no sense to do this. but lets not forget that this is WB. so with all due respect to all people that gave SR 10/10.....this is now 50/50.
and i dont want to sound like lexlives. but we are talking here about a studio that after B&R made catwoman.
yes 300 looks good but maybe WB are scared again. but its their fault not singers. singer is a director that wants to make movie. if a studio lets him do a movie good for him. it was WB's fault IMO that we got a 200 milion superman movie with very little action. it was thier fault that singer had 100% control. and i htink WB gave him control until the post-production. then when they watched the footage they noticed that this is a 3 hour movie. so a boss told him to cut footage out.

WB damn you :woot:

[bgshw44]

thank you.

it would make no sense to do this. but lets not forget that this is WB. so with all due respect to all people that gave SR 10/10.....this is now 50/50.
and i dont want to sound like lexlives. but we are talking here about a studio that after B&R made catwoman.
yes 300 looks good but maybe WB are scared again. but its their fault not singers. singer is a director that wants to make movie. if a studio lets him do a movie good for him. it was WB's fault IMO that we got a 200 milion superman movie with very little action. it was thier fault that singer had 100% control. and i htink WB gave him control until the post-production. then when they watched the footage they noticed that this is a 3 hour movie. so a boss told him to cut footage out.

WB damn you :woot:

right on, but i cant believe that they didnt know how long of a movie this was right off tha bat. Plus Singer''s choices of scene editing was HORRIBLE

[Freddy_Krueger]

yup , does this mean prep or shooting?:ninja: :o

I believe it begins shooting in the summer. They have the greenlight, according to Variety, so that assumes there's some sort of script, so right now it's just a matter of rewriting, casting and all that other fun pre-production stuff.

[fabman]

Well, dark_b. It's not like Bryan Singer did all this without letting the studio know what he's doing. WB greenlit the script back in fall 2004. They knew what he was doing -- btw, I love what he did!

[Maze]

I believe it begins shooting in the summer. They have the greenlight, according to Variety, so that assumes there's some sort of script, so right now it's just a matter of rewriting, casting and all that other fun pre-production stuff.
yup that make sense , i assume you're right.

[Maze]

Well, dark_b. It's not like Bryan Singer did all this without letting the studio know what he's doing. WB greenlit the script back in fall 2004. They knew what he was doing -- btw, I love what he did!
i agree , and i like it a lot too (even if i find some faults )

but you know how studios are: they believe in money ( and in some ways i can understand that : those movies cost a lot ) it's possible that right now they changed their tune.

And if it's the case, it is a mistake imo because i think in building on what Singer has done with some improvement (action and editing among others and imo Singer can deliver) they could have a great hit on their hands.

[dark_b]

right on, but i cant believe that they didnt know how long of a movie this was right off tha bat. Plus Singer''s choices of scene editing was HORRIBLEi think after they started to cut he movie down it was just the end.

[Ita-KalEl]

IMO the good news is that the WB still believe in the franchise (a 391m total gross ww is still an important result), but if they really want to restart from zero, there is a high percentage of risk of another "development hell". They have to decide now.

IMO the worst idea is to cast another actor for Superman. Routh was one of the best things of SR.
A good compromise would be to do a JLA movie made by another team (new director, new writers etc.) with Superman/Routh inside.

But they have to release it in the 2009, because without spiderman and the x-men there is the risk of an oversaturation of crappy sh movies that will destroy the genre.

[Matt]

IMO the good news is that the WB still believe in the franchise (a 391m total gross ww is still an important result), but if they really want to restart from zero, there is a high percentage of risk of another "development hell". They have to decide now.

IMO the worst idea is to cast another actor for Superman. Routh was one of the best things of SR.
A good compromise would be to do a JLA movie made by another team (new director, new writers etc.) with Superman/Routh inside.

But they have to release it in the 2009, because without spiderman and the x-men there is the risk of an oversaturation of crappy sh movies that will destroy the genre.

I don't think so. Good movies that interest people sell. Bad ones don't. It is that simple. If they make a good Superman movie and it is right after a few real stinkers, it will still sell. Its just got to interest people (which was SR's problem)

[Ita-KalEl]

I don't think so. Good movies that interest people sell. Bad ones don't. It is that simple. If they make a good Superman movie and it is right after a few real stinkers, it will still sell. Its just got to interest people (which was SR's problem)

I like your optimism :)

[Matt]

I like your optimism :)

I personally think its a good idea. Putting it in 2012 will give WB a flagship franchise once Harry Potter 7 is done and Batman 3 is done.

[Maze]

I don't think so. Good movies that interest people sell. Bad ones don't. It is that simple. If they make a good Superman movie and it is right after a few real stinkers, it will still sell. Its just got to interest people (which was SR's problem)

without offense , strange reasonning

i can see a lot of great movies which failed at the box office ( and i'm not even talking about sr there) and a lot of bad one who succeded.

i 'd like to know what movies you like , not out of malice , just to understand you better..

[Matt]

without offense , strange reasonning

i can see a lot of great movies which failed at the box office ( and i'm not even talking about sr there) and a lot of bad one who succeded.

i 'd like to know what movies you like , not out of malice , just to understand you better..

Ok, not necessarily good movies. Movies that interest people will be seen. Epic movie, I think we can agree sucked. And yet it made money...why? Because there is an audience for it. There is an audience for a Superman movie. Just not a Superman movie like Superman Returns.

[Maze]

Ok, not necessarily good movies. Movies that interest people will be seen. Epic movie, I think we can agree sucked. And yet it made money...why? Because there is an audience for it. There is an audience for a Superman movie. Just not a Superman movie like Superman Returns.

Ok i get your point, and i agree .

even if i think a audience for Returns is there . i know personnaly a lot of people who began to like Superman with this movie.

now is this a "Spiderman" level kind of audience ? no.

but a sequel could achieve that imo.

[Matt]

Ok i get your point, and i agree .

even if i think a audience for Returns is there . i know personnaly a lot of people who began to like Superman with this movie.

but that's me. now is this a "Spiderman" level kind of audience ? no.

but a sequel could achieve that imo.

But with a budget of Superman Returns' nature and the iconic status of the character, it needed a Spider-Man audience in order to be considered successful as opposed to dissapointment. Lets face it...we would already be in production if SR put up Spider-Man numbers.

Sure there is an audience for it...but it is a relatively smaller than it could be due to the melodrama and lack of action.

A sequel COULD get those numbers assuming SR didn't turn off audiences so much that they would simply shrug the sequel off. But the entire over saturation thing is such a load. People reacted negatively towards SR. It didn't turn off viewers from Ghost Rider or 300. As long as you give an audience what they want...they will see it.

[Maze]

Matt :But witha budget of Superman Returns' nature and the iconic status of the character, it needed a Spider-Man audience in order to be considered successful as opposed to dissapointment. Lets face it...we would already be in production if SR put up Spider-Man numbers.
i agree.

Sure there is an audience for it...but it is a relatively smaller than it could be due to the melodrama and lack of action.

i agree . But i blame more the lack of action than the melodrama.

The "worse" i would say about it is that some people prefer a more in your face melodrama a la Spiderman .. Singer like to work with subtilty , silence , that's not to every one taste.

and even in saying that i think that the worst problem that Singer had is not that fact .i thnk that without being horrible some of the actors ( Bosworth first) were not up to what Singer intended. i "blame" him don't get me wrong. He can correct that mistake.

that and i think that a lot of people found mediocre the Luthor storyline.

A sequel COULD get those numbers assuming SR didn't turn off audiences so much that they would simply shrug the sequel off. But the entire over saturation thing is such a load. People reacted negatively towards SR. It didn't turn off viewers from Ghost Rider or 300. As long as you give an audience what they want...they will see it
again i'm not so sure . personnaly i get the feelintg that in general people thought that it was a nice movie not a great one but a nice one.

and that they want to know where is this going.

again that's my perception in listening ,talking , with people , reading a lot in different media.

[Ita-KalEl]

The point of Matt isn't wrong. But I thought that the right sequel with the right marketing campaign would hit the spiderman audicence. Even because Superman Returns did 391m worldwide. It was not a flop.

I still think that the idea of a restart is too risky. How many chance has the new Hulk movie to do more than the first movie?

The only thing is if they really want to change director they have to do it NOW. X3 was a good example of the fact that the timing is a key factor for the success of the movie. With a different release date , in a different year (2007 or 2008), X3 would have been probably a flop.

[Weadazoid]

IMO the good news is that the WB still believe in the franchise (a 391m total gross ww is still an important result), but if they really want to restart from zero, there is a high percentage of risk of another "development hell". They have to decide now.

IMO the worst idea is to cast another actor for Superman. Routh was one of the best things of SR.
A good compromise would be to do a JLA movie made by another team (new director, new writers etc.) with Superman/Routh inside.

But they have to release it in the 2009, because without spiderman and the x-men there is the risk of an oversaturation of crappy sh movies that will destroy the genre.


Wolverine is still slapted for 2009, he will save the genre if given a chance

[Maze]

The point of Matt isn't wrong. But I thought that the right sequel with the right marketing campaign would hit the spiderman audicence. Even because Superman Returns did 391m worldwide. It was not a flop.
I agree

I still think that the idea of a restart is too risky. How many chance has the new Hulk movie to do more than the first movie?
Not a lot of people that i know are excited about a nex Hulk movie.. a lot less than about a Superman sequel.

The only thing is if they really want to change director they have to do it NOW. X3 was a good example of the fact that the timing is a key factor for the success of the movie. With a different release date , in a different year (2007 or 2008), X3 would have been probably a flop.
I think that's it's a question of timing for supe too yep.

it was ridiculous imo to release it one week before pirates.. we'll never know the truth but i'm pretty sure that it would have done at least 50 millions more if Supe had X3 release date

(that said i think X3 had others asset : for one thing after X2 a lot of people wanted to see the sequel )

[Matt]

i agree.


i agree . But i give more faut to the action than to the melodrama.
The worse i would say about it is that some people prefer a more in your face melodrama a la Spiderman .. Singer like to work with subtilty , silence , that's not to every one taste.


I think the melodrama was the problem because of the lack of empathy the audience felt towards the characters. We were never given a real reason to care about Clark/Superman. He didn't speak much, he was sort of creepy with the stalking, etc. He was just sort of some godly alien. There was no relation between the character and the audience. That is why it is important, I believe to make Clark the main focus. Otherwise, why exactly were we supposed to care about this character? Lois on the other hand was an absolute ice queen, so why would we have cared about her? The only main character the audience could really relate to was Richard...and he was almost an antagonist (not in the villian sense, but he stood in the way of the protaganist's goals.). So if the only character you relate to is an antagonist, then the drama isn't going to work. In Spider-Man on the otherhand, the established Peter first as a sort of everyman before they even made him Spider-Man. The audience automatically connected. We were shown MJ's kind side, her family problems, etc. We feel connected to her. Even Harry and Norman were made relatable to the audience. We immedietly related to the main characters. That is why the Spider-Man drama worked.


but in saying that i think that the worst problem that Singer had is not that fact , i thonk that without being horrible some of the actors ( Bosworth first) were not up to what Singer intended. i "blame" him don't get me wrong. He can correct that mistake.

that and i think that a lot of people found mediocre the Luthor storyline.


I agree. Some of the acting was atrocious and the Luthor real-estate plot was just ridiculous.


again i'm not so sure . personnaly i get the feelintg that in general people thought that it was a nice movie not a great one but a nice one.

and that they want to know where is this going.

again that's my perception in listening ,talking , with people , reading a lot in different media.

I think people saw an artsy movie and wanted a Pirates.

[Matt]

The point of Matt isn't wrong. But I thought that the right sequel with the right marketing campaign would hit the spiderman audicence. Even because Superman Returns did 391m worldwide. It was not a flop.

It was a mild flop to disappointment. There are more things to take into account than just money. Superman Returns had high expectations, a high level of marketing, and then it just sort of fell off the radar the second Pirates hit. Aside from a dissapointing box office...it was a total flop in terms of fulfilling expectations and public reaction.


I still think that the idea of a restart is too risky. How many chance has the new Hulk movie to do more than the first movie?

The only thing is if they really want to change director they have to do it NOW. X3 was a good example of the fact that the timing is a key factor for the success of the movie. With a different release date , in a different year (2007 or 2008), X3 would have been probably a flop.

Well of course in 2007...but that is because there are so many other blockbusters. 2008 X-3 would've stood a chance. You're right, timing is everything...which is why I think 2012 would be a good move for the Superman franchise.

[Maze]

I think the melodrama was the problem because of the lack of empathy the audience felt towards the characters. We were never given a real reason to care about Clark/Superman. He didn't speak much, he was sort of creepy with the stalking, etc. He was just sort of some godly alien. There was no relation between the character and the audience. That is why it is important, I believe to make Clark the main focus. Otherwise, why exactly were we supposed to care about this character? Lois on the other hand was an absolute ice queen, so why would we have cared about her? The only main character the audience could really relate to was Richard...and he was almost an antagonist (not in the villian sense, but he stood in the way of the protaganist's goals.). So if the only character you relate to is an antagonist, then the drama isn't going to work. In Spider-Man on the otherhand, the established Peter first as a sort of everyman before they even made him Spider-Man. The audience automatically connected. We were shown MJ's kind side, her family problems, etc. We feel connected to her. Even Harry and Norman were made relatable to the audience. We immedietly related to the main characters. That is why the Spider-Man drama worked.
Well i understand what you're saying but from this point i'm going to repeat myself. so let's agree to disagree :)



I think people saw an artsy movie and wanted a Pirates.
On that point , i agree.if we talk at Pirates level audience.

Imo the movie is liked more than you think .

but that's my pov ;)

So again let's agree to disagree. :)

[Matt]

Not a lot of people that i know are excited about a nex Hulk movie.. a lot less than about a Superman sequel.


Well that isn't really fair. No cast yet, no advertisment, no buzz where as SR is still under a year old.


I think that's it's a question of timing for supe too yep.

it was ridiculous imo to release it one week before pirates.. we'll never know the truth but i'm pretty sure that it would have done at least 50 millions more if Supe had X3 release date

(that said i think X3 had others asset : for one thing after X2 a lot of people wanted to see the sequel )

But Superman is Superman. The right Superman movie would've rolled over Pirates. Unfortunately Singer didn't make that movie.

[Hunter Rider]

I think One of the things Matt brings up about empathy rings true when it came to Supes himself,most connected with/liked Richard better.

[Matt]

Well i understand what you're saying but from this point i'm going to repeat myself. so let's agree to disagree :)




On that point , i agree.if we talk at Pirates level audience.

Imo the movie is liked more than you think .

but that's my pov ;)

So agan let's agree to disagree. :)
Haha, I suppose we will simply have to agree to disagree, but I will leave you with this thought. Even if it is a Pirates level audience, unfortunately for artsy movies, it is the Pirates type audience that gives you the big bucks. So if you want to make a big budget block buster, you have to appease them.

[Matt]

I think One of the things Matt brings up about empathy rings true when it came to Supes himself,most connected with/liked Richard better.

Well in all honesty, how could you not? Superman...reasoning for it aside, was a 5 year deadbeat dad. Richard on the other hand was a man who stepped in, took care of Lois and her son, was a good father and fiancee, and really was a hero, despite not having powers or anything extraordinary about him. Superman was the guy who disappeared on them and when he came back all he could do was give a malevolent, god-like character. It is hard to relate to that.

[Maze]

Well that isn't really fair. No cast yet, no advertisment, no buzz where as SR is still under a year old.
Sure but , one can like or not the Ff movie ( and i think it's average ) there is a great demand out there.

hulk to my knowledge after the first movie has not.

after that yes maybe that will change.



But Superman is Superman. The right Superman movie would've rolled over Pirates. Unfortunately Singer didn't make that movie
no , i don't think so .

this is a different times , superman is not that popular an more , the first pirate was popular .People awaited it.

After that yes , if Superman was more on the mold of Spiderman it would have been more popular we agree.

[Hunter Rider]

Well in all honesty, how could you not? Superman...reasoning for it aside, was a 5 year deadbeat dad. Richard on the other hand was a man who stepped in, took care of Lois and her son, was a good father and fiancee, and really was a hero, despite not having powers or anything extraordinary about him. Superman was the guy who disappeared on them and when he came back all he could do was give a malevolent, god-like character. It is hard to relate to that.

I have to agree,it was hard not to feel Supes was the interloper on their little family.

[Maze]

Haha, I suppose we will simply have to agree to disagree, but I will leave you with this thought. Even if it is a Pirates level audience, unfortunately for artsy movies, it is the Pirates type audience that gives you the big bucks. So if you want to make a big budget block buster, you have to appease them.

Lol yes yes we agree .. even ( yess :D) IF there is not one way to do it.

and i continue to think (lol ;) ) that on can build on Returns :yay:

[Maze]

Well in all honesty, how could you not? Superman...reasoning for it aside, was a 5 year deadbeat dad. Richard on the other hand was a man who stepped in, took care of Lois and her son, was a good father and fiancee, and really was a hero, despite not having powers or anything extraordinary about him. Superman was the guy who disappeared on them and when he came back all he could do was give a malevolent, god-like character. It is hard to relate to that.

Well lol i know a lot of people who related with the superman who has a "lost" side , who make mistakes .and who rooted for him at the end when he became again a selfish hero despite his angst.

but we are falling in the dangerous "Superman returns debate" there lol;)

[Excel]

michael bay IS direcintg a big budget special effects flick for warner brothers..














but its probably not superman. its called the war of the souls...


Ok, i know a bit more bout deepthroat in most of us, and several others know what i am talking about, and based on the current rumors/news involved with batman, it seems somewhat clear he knows what hes talking about. He said warners was in live with Michael Bay and Gore Verbinski and now we know w.b has him making some huge movie called 2012 and features a comet hitting the earth(armageddon 2???)

this leads me to think w.b. has a decision-either singer, verbinski, or someone else he didn say.

i take his word, and i dont think wb would be rulling out possible directors if they didnt hav a set decision.

[Excel]

michael bay IS direcintg a big budget special effects flick for warner brothers..














but its probably not superman. its called the war of the souls...


Ok, i know a bit more bout deepthroat in most of us, and several others know what i am talking about, and based on the current rumors/news involved with batman, it seems somewhat clear he knows what hes talking about. He said warners was in live with Michael Bay and Gore Verbinski and now we know w.b has him making some huge movie called 2012 and features a comet hitting the earth(armageddon 2???)

this leads me to think w.b. has a decision-either singer, verbinski, or someone else he didn say.

i take his word, and i dont think wb would be rulling out possible directors if they didnt hav a set decision.

[Ita-KalEl]

Excel can you repeat? :)

[fabman]

I don't think that the Verbinski or Bay for Superman rumours was true. Even if I don't believe it's 100 % true the Wachowski Bros. rumours has more cred. But, to be honest, I don't want either of the two to be true. I want a 'Superman Returns' sequel, directed by Bryan Singer, starring Brandon Routh!

[Maze]

Ditto.

and i invite all the Superman/Singer fans to make their voices heard :up:

[darthhalen]

Okay, I have a question for Showtime. I have read over your sources report and I'm a little confused about something. When it states about 2012 as the year for the new movie, does he mean that would be the year of the total revamp and still move ahead with Singer in 09, or does he mean they would do nothing until 2012.
Holy Hell I hope the latter is not true. I can't believe they would wait that long to move the franchise forward. Despite the lukewarm response of SR, it can only get better in my opinion sooner rather than later.
I find it hard to believe WB would be that stupid, but they've made real boneheaded decisions before so who knows!

[fabman]

I think 2012 was just a guess ;)

[TheComicbookKid]

Are you guys trying to make me cry? After months of defending SR, was it all for nothing? Does Lexlives win in the end? If it is , then good luck to Brandon Routh because the guy did a great job.

I want my Superman in Singer's hands. Tie up the loose ends in a sequel and relaunch in 2016. I don't want Superman's legacy to end with he and Lois not being together and someone else raising his son.

[The Punisher]

There's no doubt that Brandon was a good Superman. I did like Singer as director, that's for certain but if a new director is indeed choosen, then the sequel just better have Brandon in the title role. Period.

[fabman]

Are you guys trying to make me cry? After months of defending SR, was it all for nothing? Does Lexlives win in the end? If it is , then good luck to Brandon Routh because the guy did a great job.

I want my Superman in Singer's hands. Tie up the loose ends in a sequel and relaunch in 2016. I don't want Superman's legacy to end with he and Lois not being together and someone else raising his son.

I agree. I too want Singer to direct more Superman movies.

[Showtime]

I personally would like to see the whole creative team back to see how their vision plays out.