The Official Start/Release Date & Location Thread

[patrickbateman]

abput the repost

[lexlives]

Of course they wanted a reboot, I dont know what kind of persuasive methods Singer used to convince them to go along with his idea but apparently it worked and they fell for it.

WB IMO felt they were boxed into a corner. Horn and Robinov could have been out of a job if progress was not made on Superman.

How else can you explain them agreeing to give Superman a bastartd son?! No where near as radical as the stuff Peters was proposing.

As to Routh - rumors were that WB was not happy with his casting and changed their mind the next day but then reversed themselves. We will never know, but Routh can't act and his casting will go down as one of the worst mis-casts in film history.

As to Singer - like where did he garner this so-called great repuitation?! The guiy is a medicore director judging from SR - IMO of course. He never, never should have been given Supoerman.

[dark_b]

WB IMO felt they were boxed into a corner. Horn and Robinov could have been out of a job if progress was not made on Superman.

How else can you explain them agreeing to give Superman a bastartd son?! No where near as radical as the stuff Peters was proposing.

As to Routh - rumors were that WB was not happy with his casting and changed their mind the next day but then reversed themselves. We will never know, but Routh can't act and his casting will go down as one of the worst mis-casts in film history.

As to Singer - like where did he garner this so-called great repuitation?! The guiy is a medicore director judging from SR - IMO of course. He never, never should have been given Supoerman.lexlives i didnt think that you could top yourself. you did it now. you are saying that singers take is more radical than peters. :woot:

[fabman]

lexlives, you never should have been given a keyboard and access to the SHH! forums...

[Matt]

lexlives you think that there will be no sequel with singer. so when Rob Burnett told us that he was tehre filming singer signing to contract for the sequel he was not telling the truth?

In all fairness, signing the contract obligates Singer to do the movie if WB CHOOSES. I've never heard of a Hollywood contract in which the studio MUST use an actor or director. So while it does obligate Singer to do the movie, it does not obligate WB to use Singer.

And I ask again, why has WB not shot down the Variety report? This is one of their biggest franchises and if I'm not mistaken WB top grossing movie of 2006. If Variety (the top trade in Hollywood) is reporting this and it were just a stupid rumor, they would shoot it down for the sake of reassurance to their shareholders. No matter what BT or Burnett says, the longer we go without hearing anything, the more likely this becomes.

[dark_b]

In all fairness, signing the contract obligates Singer to do the movie if WB CHOOSES. I've never heard of a Hollywood contract in which the studio MUST use an actor or director. So while it does obligate Singer to do the movie, it does not obligate WB to use Singer.

And I ask again, why has WB not shot down the Variety report? This is one of their biggest franchises and if I'm not mistaken WB top grossing movie of 2006. If Variety (the top trade in Hollywood) is reporting this and it were just a stupid rumor, they would shoot it down for the sake of reassurance to their shareholders. No matter what BT or Burnett says, the longer we go without hearing anything, the more likely this becomes.what has this to do with my post?

lexlives is saying that singer is gone. you are sying that even if he signed the contract it is not 100% tha teh will direct.
why would WB call singer to sign the deal if they dont want him as the director?

[lexlives]

In all fairness, signing the contract obligates Singer to do the movie if WB CHOOSES. I've never heard of a Hollywood contract in which the studio MUST use an actor or director. So while it does obligate Singer to do the movie, it does not obligate WB to use Singer.

And I ask again, why has WB not shot down the Variety report? This is one of their biggest franchises and if I'm not mistaken WB top grossing movie of 2006. If Variety (the top trade in Hollywood) is reporting this and it were just a stupid rumor, they would shoot it down for the sake of reassurance to their shareholders. No matter what BT or Burnett says, the longer we go without hearing anything, the more likely this becomes.


You got it!!

Like I said, WB and Singer will come to a parting of the ways on Superman that makes neither look bad.

As in Singer is doing a new project and WB still plans to do Superman.

Not going to happen - as in an SR sequel. It is over - you can take that to the bank and quote me on that.

[TheComicbookKid]

Maybe the reason WB hasn't responded is because they didn't think people were going to go nuts. If the shooting starts in April instead of March. So what! It's a delay.

We're all still caught in this fight with Anti-Singer versus Pro-Singers trying to take any info we can to bash the other side.

[patrickbateman]

what has this to do with my post?

lexlives is saying that singer is gone. you are sying that even if he signed the contract it is not 100% tha teh will direct.
why would WB call singer to sign the deal if they dont want him as the director?

Well clooney was signed on for another batman before a disaster like batman and robin but didn’t come back. If it can apply to actors why not directors? Wasn’t Dalton signed on to come back in another bond but the studios wanted a whole new look of goldeneye? Hence they went with pierce.

What about tim burton who started the whole batman movie franchise in the 80’s didn’t he want to comepete the trilogy but then the idea of a black robin seemed to radical hence they stalled the project and then got joel with a new approach.

What about Donner and superman 2 ?

[lexlives]

this is not possible. to radical.

Well, I usually disagree with Showtime, but if you read the sites this is a real possibility. Anyway, IMO Routh is a one-shot wonder and will not be back. IMO he is history as are his chances for a big-time career. Not his fault - he should never have been cast and was given as such an impossible task.

I question this report only insofar as I am hearing WB has put the franchise on indefinite hold. No plans right now to continue. As with Showtime, my source is generally reliable and is what i have based my posts on - some of them - that WB would not announce anything about an SR sequel at ShoTime. My source is pretty much 100% so far.

[Showtime]

Well I can see that Lexlives has returned, by the look of the thread it's been a bumpy ride.

[lexlives]

Well I can see that Lexlives has returned, by the look of the thread it's been a bumpy ride.

Bumpy or not - tell me - how is it playing out?!

I have a source who actually sort of confirms something you have posted. Though I have another source source who says its all over and no reboot/new stars for decades. Go figure. But you are getting the message too I take. Like I have been posting this for months now.

Either way, take this to the bank, the Singer/Routh/Bosworth era is over, done with, history. None of them will be back - I think you can take that to the bank. Its a good thing to take to the bank IMO.

This was - SR that is - the most mis-directed and most mis-cast films in recent history.

[Showtime]

Bumpy or not - tell me - how is it playing out?!

I have a source who actually sort of confirms something you have posted. Though I have another source source who says its all over and no reboot/new stars for decades. Go figure. But you are getting the message too I take. Like I have been posting this for months now.

Either way, take this to the bank, the Singer/Routh/Bosworth era over, done with, history. None of them will be back - I think you can take that to the bank. Its a good thing to take to the bank IMO.

Well I didn't really want to get into this again, but I will open it up a bit. We are getting conflicting information, I think it is from the same "side of the fence", but conflicting nonetheless.

The sequel is going forward either way, whether it's Bryan Singer, or the Whakowski Bros who they are extremely hot on. If it doesn't work out rather soon with the Whakowski Bros, then Singer is on and the sequel moves forward Summer 2009, dismissing the Variety article's claim of a delay but cfming Singer will shoot another movie in between. Again, in a second message it was cfmed that WB want's a sequel, but if they go with somebody else there will be a delay.

Again I am only giving information and am not responsible for the truth of what I am hearing. I just don't see why said information should be kept hidden.

[lexlives]

Well I didn't really want to get into this again, but I will open it up a bit. We are getting conflicting information, I think it is from the same "side of the fence", but conflicting nonetheless.

The sequel is going forward either way, whether it's Bryan Singer, or the Whakowski Bros who they are extremely hot on. If it doesn't work out rather soon with the Whakowski Bros, then Singer is on and the sequel moves forward Summer 2009, dismissing the Variety article's claim of a delay but cfming Singer will shoot another movie in between. Again, in a second message it was cfmed that WB want's a sequel, but if they go with somebody else there will be a delay.

Again I am only giving information and am not responsible for the truth of what I am hearing. I just don't see why said information should be kept hidden.

Well Showtime., I hope I have a bit more credibility now. My sources, one of them, said there would be nothing from ShoWest as WB has abadonned the franchise.

Another source, however, more in line with your report, says WB has moved on from Singer and is looking at a rebbot.

I hope the latter report is true cause I don't want to wait 15 - 20 years, but I see no evidence of it myelf. Believe me, again, I don't want to wait years.

We will know by July. But I can affirm this - take it to the bank - Singer, Routh, Bosworth and, yes, Spacey are history. As, frankly, they all should be.

[DeepThroatWB]

I already said this: just because Singer's camp thinks their making the movie does not mean they are. Warner's tells them to go ahead, while the execs plot alternative options. Nobody is hot on the Wachowski Brothers, Showtime. Warner's is happy their making The Speed Racer, and that is that. Michael Bay became of interest due the success of his past action movies, most notably Armageddon(which is the kind of Superman movie Warner's wants), and how effectivly he can use budgets. See Pearl Harbor, Armageddon, and the upcoming Transformers film. All of those are 150 million or less, and all look better than Superman Returns did. Gore Verbinski was looked at because Warner's would be very happy to have "From The Director of The Pirates of The Caribbean Trilogy-Superman". Pretty much, that is why.

This morning, I was informed all the directors I had heard of-Bay and Verbvinski-were no longer in consideration. It is likely to be a Bryan Singer film, but Warner's seem interested more in getting a new set of writers than a director, though who write the film is usually the director's call.

Warner's hasn't shot down anything because there is no need to. This isn't a huge news story, I do not think they'll waste their time. As LexLives, you could not be more mistaken.

[Showtime]

If that is what you heard, then that is what you heard. That is not the info I am getting. I can't tell you either way how valid it is, and don't claim to know this.

Where you lose your argument is on the writing, Singer was heavily involved in the story, he has a story credit. He also requested rewrite after rewrite from Mike and Dan. If it was anybody's story it was in essences Bryans.

That being said I thought Mike and Dan did a great job with the script, and I don't see where they would be a problem.

[lexlives]

I already said this: just because Singer's camp thinks their making the movie does not mean they are. Warner's tells them to go ahead, while the execs plot alternative options. Nobody is hot on the Wachowski Brothers, Showtime. Warner's is happy their making The Speed Racer, and that is that. Michael Bay became of interest due the success of his past action movies, most notably Armageddon(which is the kind of Superman movie Warner's wants), and how effectivly he can use budgets. See Pearl Harbor, Armageddon, and the upcoming Transformers film. All of those are 150 million or less, and all look better than Superman Returns did. Gore Verbinski was looked at because Warner's would be very happy to have "From The Director of Th ePirates of The Caribbean Trilogy-Superman". Pretty much, that is why.

This I was informed all the directors I had heard of-Bay and Verbvinski-were no longer in consideration. It is likely to be a Bryan Singer film, but Warner's seem interested more in getting a new set of writers than a director, though who write the film is usually the director's call.

Warner's hasn't shot down anything because there is no need to. This isn't a huge news story, I do not think they'll waste their time. As LexLives, you could not be more mistaken.

But didn't you say it would be someone else? Frankly my sources tell me WB is putting the franchise on long-term - as in 20 years - hold.

[ThanosOfTitans]

I think Superman Returns probably is in deep trouble. Especially with the great success of 300. I mean, 300 has already reached about 127 million domestic in 10 days. Lets keep in mind that it's an R-rated movie and was released on a budget of $65 million. And it released in march. I hope the WB learns from 300 and realizes you don't need a 200 million dollar budget to create a good movie, but a good director and writers who are familiar with the source material.

I'm sorry, but after seeing 300, if Superman Returns gets a sequel...I hope Brian Singer is nowhere near it.

[lexlives]

If that is what you heard, then that is what you heard. That is not the info I am getting. I can't tell you either way how valid it is, and don't claim to know this.

Where you lose your argument is on the writing, Singer was heavily involved in the story, he has a story credit. He also requested rewrite after rewrite from Mike and Dan. If it was anybody's story it was in essences Bryans.

That being said I thought Mike and Dan did a great job with the script, and I don't see where they would be a problem.


We disagree - IMO Mike and Dan are hacks - not as much a hack as Singer though.

This whole thing is collapsing and that some are still grsping at straws is just sad.

[DeepThroatWB]

I think you misunderstood. Their happy with him directing the sequel, but if he is going to direct it for them, than it is going to be on their terms this time, not his. That is pretty much the scenario for him directing. He won't have as much creative control and it is why Warner's another famous name as the bad guy. They don't care who it or who the villain is. They want a star.

[The Watchman]

My sources my sources, my sources.

This is hilarious.

[DeepThroatWB]

But didn't you say it would be someone else? Frankly my sources tell me WB is putting the franchise on long-term - as in 20 years - hold.

Well, frankly, I am laughing behind my desk.

[Showtime]

We disagree - IMO Mike and Dan are hacks - not as much a hack as Singer though.

This whole thing is collapsing and that some are still grsping at straws is just sad.

I don't know if the whole thing is collapsing, all movies have rumors of this magnitude. Some have certain truths to it, some have no truth at all. Unless your source is Alan Horn himself, or somebody of equal or lesser value, you can't take it to the bank.

Obviously we have always disagreed on that subject, I want Singer seeing through his vision, and Mike and Dan writing it. We will never agree, but that is fine.

[lexlives]

I think you misunderstood. Their happy with him directing the sequel, but if he is going to direct it for them, than it is going to be on their terms this time, not his. That is pretty much the scenario for him directing. He won't have as much creative control and it is why Warner's another famous name as the bad guy. They don't care who it or who the villain is. They want a star.

But indications are based on Variety and others that ther will not be a sequel - or one long delayed.

They want a star? Then dump Routh and Bosworth!

I am not hearing a all what you and Shotime arew hearing. And you and Shotime disagree. And we all have sources.

So posters - totally discount what Showtime, DepThroartWB and myself say. Or take it with a grain of salt as we all claim to have sources and yet are all totally in disagreement on what is going on.

Take to hear that Variety is reporting an SR sequel is dealyed. That is the key. Maybethe end of the franchise.

[Matt]

Maybe the reason WB hasn't responded is because they didn't think people were going to go nuts. If the shooting starts in April instead of March. So what! It's a delay.

We're all still caught in this fight with Anti-Singer versus Pro-Singers trying to take any info we can to bash the other side.

It has nothing to do with us. Variety (the top trade in the industry) reported that a movie that will have a budget up to 200 million dollars was delayed. WB owes a response to its share holders to reassure them that its second most expensive franchise next to Harry Potter is not being delayed. Especially if this is a rumor that they can just swat away. They have yet to do that.

[lexlives]

I don't know if the whole thing is collapsing, all movies have rumors of this magnitude. Some have certain truths to it, some have no truth at all. Unless your source is Alan Horn himself, or somebody of equal or lesser value, you can't take it to the bank.

Obviously we have always disagreed on that subject, I want Singer seeing through his vision, and Mike and Dan writing it. We will never agree, but that is fine.

Oh, its collapsing all right. As I've said for months though no one would listen till now.

Singer was a disatrous choice as director and Routh as Superman. I stand affirmed in that as this news unfolds.

The only question now - do we have tro wait 10 years or is it 20 till a reboot?

We will be both middle aged by then. How sad. It did not have to be if only Horn/WB had the ba** to say no to Singer's fiasco of a vision.

Disagree??

[Matt]

Oh its collapsing all right. As i've said for months though no one woulkd listen till now.

Singer was a disatrous choice as director and Routh as Superman. I stand affirmed in that as this news unfolds.

The onely question now - domwe have tro wait 10 years or is it 20 till a rebbot.

We will be both midle aged by then. How sad. It did not have to be if only Horn/WB had the ba** to say no to Singer's fiasco of a vision.

Disagree??

If there is a reboot...and right now it is an if from what I am hearing...then I think it would happen by 2012. WB needs Superman. With Harry Potter going away in 2010 they will need a new flagship.

[Showtime]

If there is a reboot...and right now it is an if from what I am hearing...then I think it would happen by 2012. WB needs Superman. With Harry Potter going away in 2010 they will need a new flagship.

2 Year delay if the Whakowski Bros were to take over, so 2011-2012. That is the right ballpark, of course there are many IF's involved here.

I don't know why there has to be such a panic about this. If there is truth to WB looking for another creative team it just means they are keeping all options open. In other words they are running a good company and the brass has a good business minds. This means they care about Superman and want to make the best possible decision. It doesn't mean they are necessarily unhappy with Singer, they could be split, or one faction has connections with a different creative team. Who knows. It's nothing to explode over, don't any of you remember this prior to when Singer signed on for Returns, this is nothing.

[lexlives]

If there is a reboot...and right now it is an if from what I am hearing...then I think it would happen by 2012. WB needs Superman. With Harry Potter going away in 2010 they will need a new flagship.


I don't see 2012. But I see the need for Singer and Routh especially to be gone. Disatrous choices for director and lead actor actor IMO. Not to menton Bosworth - like what was that about? And Harris and D - are these guys writers or hacks?!

Why WB caved to Singer is beyond me, but they got what they deserved.

Sadly, with Batman, JLA and WW I really don't think WB thinks they need Superman anymore. If they did they would not be delaying it.

[Steelsheen]

I think Superman Returns probably is in deep trouble. Especially with the great success of 300. I mean, 300 has already reached about 127 million domestic in 10 days. Lets keep in mind that it's an R-rated movie and was released on a budget of $65 million. And it released in march. I hope the WB learns from 300 and realizes you don't need a 200 million dollar budget to create a good movie, but a good director and writers who are familiar with the source material.

damn right :up:

[Matt]

2 Year delay if the Whakowski Bros were to take over, so 2011-2012. That is the right ballpark, of course there are many IF's involved here.

I don't know why there has to be such a panic about this. If there is truth to WB looking for another creative team it just means they are keeping all options open. In other words they are running a good company and the brass has a good business minds. This means they care about Superman and want to make the best possible decision. It doesn't mean they are necessarily unhappy with Singer, they could be split, or one faction has connections with a different creative team. Who knows. It's nothing to explode over, don't any of you remember this prior to when Singer signed on for Returns, this is nothing.

Speaking of business decisions, Upper Krust put together some numbers in the latest box office thread. I personally have never seen anyone use Singer's percentage of profits in discussion to box office before (then again, I've been avoiding those threads for awhile). It certainly adds an interesting spin on things.

Here are the numbers in case someone missed them:



Cost $209 million
Box Office Gross: $390 million
Box Office Net: $195 million
Singers 10% Cut of the Gross: $39 million (on top of $11 million salary)

$195 M minus $209 M = Negative $14 million at the box office

Add in Singer's alleged bonuses and that becomes Negative $53 million

DVD Gross: $53 million
DVD Net: $30 million

If Singer did indeed have the 10% of the gross clause in his contract then even after DVD sales Warner are at Negative $23 million.

If Singer didn't get that slice off the top (?) then Warner ended up making a profit of $16 million.

[Showtime]

I think that more movies are going to be created as 300 was, I haven't seen it, but I know they created an epic setting using seamless digital technology for 60 million. You can't beat that.

[lexlives]

2 Year delay if the Whakowski Bros were to take over, so 2011-2012. That is the right ballpark, of course there are many IF's involved here.

I don't know why there has to be such a panic about this. If there is truth to WB looking for another creative team it just means they are keeping all options open. In other words they are running a good company and the brass has a good business minds. This means they care about Superman and want to make the best possible decision. It doesn't mean they are necessarily unhappy with Singer, they could be split, or one faction has connections with a different creative team. Who knows. It's nothing to explode over, don't any of you remember this prior to when Singer signed on for Returns, this is nothing.

Oh Showtime, Showtime, talk about spinning! If WB is wanting to move past Singer that means like only one thing. Do I need to spell it out?!

[BMM]

Speaking of business decisions, Upper Krust put together some numbers in the latest box office thread. I personally have never seen anyone use Singer's percentage of profits in discussion to box office before (then again, I've been avoiding those threads for awhile). It certainly adds an interesting spin on things.

Here are the numbers in case someone missed them:

Isn't the 53 million dollar DVD gross just the rental numbers?

[The Watchman]

Something like 300 is too highly stylized for a Superman movie.

It works for 300, but you can't generalize that to other properties.

[The Watchman]

Not to mention Alex DeLarge's confirmation that Singer is signed for the sequel and will begin lensing March '08. You people sound ridiculous.

[El Payaso]

But didn't you say it would be someone else? Frankly my sources tell me WB is putting the franchise on long-term - as in 20 years - hold.

Reminder: Voices in your heads barely can be considered 'sources.'

[Matt]

Not to mention Alex DeLarge's confirmation that Singer is signed for the sequel and will begin lensing March '08. You people sound ridiculous.

Again, Singer signing and WB using him are two different things. Instead of insulting people, how about both sides just calm down, quit repeating the same **** over and over and just watch how this plays out?

[Showtime]

Oh Showtime, Showtime, talk about spinning! If WB is wanting to move past Singer that means like only one thing. Do I need to spell it out?!

If I was spinning, why would somebody such as myself who liked the movie and wants Singer and his team to direct the sequel, report the info that I received. :whatever:

[The Watchman]

Because it's ludacris specualtion with all these "sources". Christ I barely post anymore, but some of this stuff is laughable.

[Maze]

. Instead of insulting people, how about both sides just calm down, quit repeating the same **** over and over and just watch how this plays out?

Word.:cwink:

[The Watchman]

If I was spinning, why would somebody such as myself who liked the movie and wants Singer and his team to direct the sequel, report the info that I received. :whatever:

Because you're being pessimistic to protect your feelings if the sequel doesn't progress as planned, keep your psychological problems off the boards man.

:woot:

[lexlives]

If I was spinning, why would somebody such as myself who liked the movie and wants Singer and his team to direct the sequel, report the info that I received. :whatever:


Well, I do give you a high five for that. And you "ain't clueless" so I can't figure how you liked Singer's effort or Routh.

But I have sources too at WB - the ShoWest stuff which they proved right on about - and in some ways they allign with what you are saying - Singer and Routh are out - but they also say the franchise is on indefinite hold and not that another director/lead actor is being looked for. We will know by July.

[Super Kal]

If I was spinning, why would somebody such as myself who liked the movie and wants Singer and his team to direct the sequel, report the info that I received. :whatever:
lol, is LL still giving you trouble, Showtime?

[Matt]

Because it's ludacris specualtion with all these "sources". Christ I barely post anymore, but some of this stuff is laughable.

Well, you can look at it this way then. The one reliable source we have (Variety) has confirmed a delay. Other reliable news outlets are backing that up. Everything else is just speculation and yet you aren't jumping on anyone claiming the movie is on track.

[Showtime]

Because you're being pessimistic to protect your feelings if the sequel doesn't progress as planned, keep your psychological problems off the boards man.

:woot:

Damn...you pegged me. :wow:

[Antonello Blueberry]

Can you imagine the kind of reaction to the Wachowskis getting the direction duty of Superman? After they accused Singer of making a gay version of Superman, will fanboys accuse the Bros of turning the Man of Steel into the Tranny of Leather?

[Showtime]

lol, is LL still giving you trouble, Showtime?

For his sake, I hope not. :cwink:

[Freddy_Krueger]

Well, you can look at it this way then. The one reliable source we have (Variety) has confirmed a delay. Other reliable news outlets are backing that up. Everything else is just speculation and yet you aren't jumping on anyone claiming the movie is on track.

Variety didn't confirm anything. They speculated that the sequel would be delayed, nothing more. The other news outlets just ran with Variety's story simply because it was Variety.

But at the same time, Variety isn't 100% reliable. They've been wrong many times before, and when someone close to the production says that they're wrong, then many of us stand up and take notice.

[lexlives]

Damn...you pegged me. :wow:
Finally you are coming around.

Just be honest - Superman deserved so much more than Singer, Routh and Bosworth.

Batman go much more, FF got more, Spidey got moe - why did you settle for this cra*? As in Singer, Bosworth and Routh.?

The chickens are coming home to roost - these folks will not be back. Why could you not call that out earlier - oh sure, it is easy to do that now in hindsight.

[Matt]

Variety didn't confirm anything. They speculated that the sequel would be delayed, nothing more. The other news outlets just ran with Variety's story simply because it was Variety.

But at the same time, Variety isn't 100% reliable. They've been wrong many times before, and when someone close to the production says that they're wrong, then many of us stand up and take notice.

Regardless if they are wrong, they are more reliable then the guy who made a making of documentary. They are the most reliable source we have. I really don't think Bryan Singer privies a documentary maker to confidential inside information regarding the politics of Warner Bros. All he did was film the contract signing which has already been established as something that is not full proof

[Antonello Blueberry]

Batman go much more, FF got more, Spidey got moe - why did you settle for this cra*? As in Singer, Bosworth and Routh.?

The FF got more? A director whose previous movie was one of the worst reviewed movies of all time (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/special/2007/wotw/?r=95&mid=1137003) and some tv actor (Chiklis was great however)?

[lexlives]

Can you imagine the kind of reaction to the Wachowskis getting the direction duty of Superman? After they accused Singer of making a gay version of Superman, will fanboys accuse the Bros of turning the Man of Steel into the Tranny of Leather?

No one is getting directon duites - from my sources the franchise is dead for the indefinite future.

[Antonello Blueberry]

No one is getting directon duites - from my sources the franchise is dead for the indefinite future.
Did you ask them with an Ouija board?

[lexlives]

Did you ask them with an Ouija board?

Just wait - it is over!

[Showtime]

Finally you are coming around.

Just be honest - Superman deserved so much more than Singer, Routh and Bosworth.

Batman go much more, FF got more, Spidey got moe - why did you settle for this cra*? As in Singer, Bosworth and Routh.?

The chickens are coming home to roost - these folks will not be back. Why could you not call that out earlier - oh sure, it is easy to do that now in hindsight.

I have no idea what you are talking about with your ill prepared analogies, it's scary. I am not coming around and signing up for the "Lexlives Spin Class" by any means. Let's not try to spin me, because you very well know that is impossible.

I received information and I posted it. Doesn't mean I agreed with it. There is a big difference.

[Maze]

No one is getting directon duites - from my sources the franchise is dead for the indefinite future.
Interesting

Lex , is this the same source who told you about the prequel of Xmen with Singer surely onboard (but the last part was speculation from your part.)

is this the same source who told you that Smallville would be cancelled in 2004?

Or is it a different source from the one who told you that the shooting of Returns would be cancelled ?

i know that you didn't mention any sources at the time but in case you had one i wonder ? :oldrazz: :cwink:

[El Payaso]

Spidey got moe

http://v.ga.free.fr/Images/Simpson/moe.gif

[lexlives]

I have no idea what you are talking about with your ill prepared analogies, it's scary. I am not coming around and signing up for the "Lexlives Spin Class" by any means. Let's not try to spin me, because you very well know that is impossible.

I received information and I posted it. Doesn't mean I agreed with it. There is a big difference.

Well I have sort of similar info from my sources at WB - third hand to be sure. Yours ae more liberal as in WB maybe rebooting in a few years. My sources say WB is walking away for the indefinite future from the Superman franchise. The silence at ShoWest I think is a definitae sign..

Either way our sources agree, for what it is worth, that Singer and Routh are out. That, I think, you can take to the bank.

[Showtime]

http://members.optusnet.com.au/simsmart/flamingmoe.jpg

I think some of us could use a Flaming Moe right about now.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Well I have sort of similar info from my sources at WB - third hand to be sure. Yours ae more liberal as in WB maybe rebooting in a few years. My sources say WB is walking away for the indefinite future from the Superman franchise. The silence at ShoWest I think is a definitae sign...
It's a sign that your sources are in your head. Did Warner announce anything at Showest? Did they have a presentation at all at Showest?

[Showtime]

Apparently LL created a drop dead date at Showest for WB to announce the sequel. I guess WB didn't get the memo.

[Maze]

Well I have sort of similar info from my sources at WB - third hand to be sure. Yours ae more liberal as in WB maybe rebooting in a few years. My sources say WB is walking away for the indefinite future from the Superman franchise. The silence at ShoWest I think is a definitae sign..

Either way our sources agree, for what it is worth, that Singer and Routh are out. That, I think, you can take to the bank.
Nope Showtime source didn't say that .DeepW either.

your "source" said that Lex.

[lexlives]

Nope Showtime source didn't say that .DeepW either.

your "source" said that Lex.


My source says that the franchise is dead for the foreseeable future. Singer and Routh make no never mind in that equation. They are history at this point. But keep waiting for this sequel or reboot in the next few yars - I can tell you that it will be a long, long, long wait.

[Maze]

My source says that the franchise is dead for the foreseeable future. Singer and Routh make no never mind in that equation. They are history at this point. But keep waiting for this sequel or reboot in the next few yars - I can tell you that it will be a long, long, long wait.

Good , at least you have stopped to spin Showtime words.

( that's the excitement of knowing what you know i can understand :) )

but again , you didn't answer lex: is this the same source who told you about Smallville , Superman Returns , and the Xmen prequel?

[GreenKToo]

I think no matter who directs, we'll see a sequel or a re-boot by 2010. No way are W.B. gonna wait 15/20 yrs to do another film with ONE of the most recognizable figures in the world, and I dont care whose source says their waiting 15/20 yrs, W.B. is not that stupid.

[Maze]

I think no matter who directs, we'll see a sequel or a re-boot by 2010. No way are W.B. gonna wait 15/20 yrs to do another film with ONE of the most recognizable figures in the world, and I dont care whose source says their waiting 15/20 yrs, W.B. is not that stupid.

The Warner from Lex Live source doesn't have stockholders;)

[GreenKToo]

evidently.:yay: The Warner from Lex Live source doesn't have stockholders;)

[lexlives]

Good , at least you have stopped to spin Showtime words.

( that's the excitement of knowing what you know i can understand :) )

but again , you didn't answer lex: is this the same source who told you about Smallville , Superman Returns , and the Xmen prequel?


Its the source I've had for SR snce Januray 2006 - told me no action, boring plot. When i pushed back at BT with my info and got bnned.

This source told me no annoucement at ShoWest would be the sign. BB sequel got an announcement.

Not only did SR get no mention at ShoWest this Singer report came out the same week.

I am told it is over and WB has already canned a sequel - we only have to wait for them to make it official. Its sure looking that way though i admit my source, though right so far, is third hand.

But that is the basis for what I've ben posting for several months here and it is looking to be pretty much on the mark.

[Freddy_Krueger]

*lexlives mode*

Never mind that I was wrong about Smallville being cancelled. Never mind that I was wrong about how WB was going to fire Singer mid production. Never mind that I am going to be wrong about Singer and crew being kicked off the sequel production.

I know all and see all. And I say that we won't see another Superman movie for at least 80 years.

*end lexlives mode*

Regardless if they are wrong, they are more reliable then the guy who made a making of documentary. They are the most reliable source we have. I really don't think Bryan Singer privies a documentary maker to confidential inside information regarding the politics of Warner Bros.

How is a source outside of the production anymore reliable than a source within the production. That simply doesn't make sense to me. And since Rob is a part of the production, he would know around the same time as Bryan as to whether or not they were kicked off the project.

The Variety article was simple speculation. If Singer told Burnett that he would be done with the thriller in time to film SR2, then I'll take his word for it over a trade that has reported such debunked rumors such as Lebeau as Indy's son, Jackman as Jor-El or Tarantino directing a new Friday the 13th.

[GreenKToo]

hmmm, a friend of a friend?? ok, well why didnt you just say so in the first place? we believe you now.

[lexlives]

I think no matter who directs, we'll see a sequel or a re-boot by 2010. No way are W.B. gonna wait 15/20 yrs to do another film with ONE of the most recognizable figures in the world, and I dont care whose source says their waiting 15/20 yrs, W.B. is not that stupid.

So now we are backing off to 2010 and saying no matter who directs? If you had posted that just montth ago you would have been flamed. I think the sad reality is finally settling in.

[Maze]

Its the source I've had for SR snce Januray 2006 - told me no action, boring plot. When i pushed back at BT with my info and got bnned.

This source told me no annoucement at ShoWest would be the sign. BB sequel got an announcement.

Not only did SR get no mention at ShoWest this Singer report came out the same week.

I am told it is over and WB has already canned a sequel - we only have to wait for them to make it official. Its sure looking that way though i admit my source, though right so far, is third hand.

But that is the basis for what I've ben posting for several months here and it is looking to be pretty much on the mark.

Ok.

the word is that your source even told you that Superman returns shoot was cancelled.

what about the smallville info lex?The Xmen info lex ?

lex , we're going to stop this little game .

You have no source

why? if you had a source who told you about Showest ect , you would have simply : there will be no announcement.without doing posts after posts , threads , after threads finding hundreth different reasons (not even related ) to convince people that a sequel would not be made etc etc

You have no source . you got "lucky" that for once one of your prediction was almost true. I say almost , because for the moment nothing confirm that Singer is not onboard anymore.

nothing confirm that the sequel will not be be made . even from 4 four different sources ( from Showtime , deep , and rob Burnett )

It is in your head Lex , wake up ;)

[Majestic]

Some of this talk is so lame especially from lexlives because he has not one ounce of truth to what he says! Until there is more specific information it is just speculation. The superman movie is worth too much to the company to have languish for years and years. That is just common sense, Singer did his part to restart something that took forever to get going!

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=25379

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=25379

Just to prove the superman homepage was not just full of it!

[Majestic]

This source and that source is just speculation and kind of funny because there are probably only a few people on this board that have true insider information. The rest is just small talk and that is it!

[lexlives]

Ok.

the word is that your source even told you that Superman returns shoot was cancelled.

what about the smallville info lex?The Xmen info lex ?

lex , we're going to stop this little game .

You have no source

why? if you had a source who told you about Showest ect , you would have simply : there will be no announcement.without doing posts after posts , threads , after threads to convince people that a sequel would not be made etc ect

You have no source . you got "lucky".

It is in your head Lex , wake up ;)

I posted there would be no announcement from WB at ShoWest - as there was not.

I posted that I wished WB wold fess up at ShoWest that they are ending the Superman franchise - which they are from what I am being told - but I said they would not go so far. We will have to wait a few months still for that announcement - though the Singer info of late is surely setting the stage for that.

[Freddy_Krueger]

I posted there would be no announcement from WB at ShoWest - as there was not.



WB didn't announce much of anything at ShoWest, so using you're logic they're obviously cancelling every single project they had in development.

[GreenKToo]

No, not at all. I've never cared if singer stays or goes, but I think that IF he stays, we'll get still get his sequel in 09. If he goes, then a re-boot 2010.So now we are backing off to 2010 and saying no matter who directs? If you had posted that just montth ago you would have been flamed. I think the sad reality is finally settling in.

[Super Kal]

Some of this talk is so lame especially from lexlives because he has not one ounce of truth to what he says! Until there is more specific information it is just speculation. The superman movie is worth too much to the company to have languish for years and years. That is just common sense, Singer did his part to restart something that took forever to get going!

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=25379

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=25379

Just to prove the superman homepage was not just full of it!
to be honest, I don't even trust him...

until there's official word, I don't trust anyone.

[Maze]

Didn't you get the memo?

Warner is now looking to launch his movies not in one or two year but in 15 , or even 20 years.

[Antonello Blueberry]

WB didn't announce much of anything at ShoWest, so using you're logic they're obviously cancelling every single project they had in development.
My sources told me they didn't announce the sixth Harry Potter movie at Showest either. And neither the Dark Knight. Maybe we won't see those 'till they restart the franchise in 2013, after the collapse of the civilization.

[lexlives]

No, not at all. I've never cared if singer stays or goes, but I think that IF he stays, we'll get still get his sequel in 09. If he goes, then a re-boot 2010.

Come on - a reboot means development hell. Forget the script - look at the years it took - or one sorry weekend for SR.

But a reboot means, as it should, a totally new cast. Thak the Lord no more Routh or Bosworth but that alone could take years. There is no way, even if WB wanted to fast track a reboot which there is no indication of - that it could be done in much less than a decade.

[GreenKToo]

If singer can brighten up the suit, give superman a worthy opponent, and up the action, then I'm all for him staying. If W.B. decides to re-boot with a new director(s) in 2010, which well still most likely give me what I want, then I, and we cant lose.

[Maze]

development hell of course.

what does it cost last time? 50 millions and counting..

logical that it's the next step to go..:o

[Freddy_Krueger]

But a reboot means, as it should, a totally new cast. Thak the Lord no more Routh or Bosworth but that alone could take years.

Not just years.

A millennia. Just think of it. We'll finally get a new Superman movie between the year 2999 and 3000. I can't wait!

[lexlives]

If singer can brighten up the suit, give superman a worthy opponent, and up the action, then I'm all for him staying. If W.B. decides to re-boot with a new director(s) in 2010, which well still most likely give me what I want, then I, and we cant lose.

You need to get a clue. Singer blew it, Routh and Bosworth bombed as Kal/Clark and Lois. No secret.

With Singer now gone there is no imperitative to continue.

There will not be a sequel or reboot in 2010. It is over for the froeseable futiue. Just wait if you doubt me.

WB does not need this franchise now with BBi2008, 2011 and likely 2015 and with the potentially huge JLA in 2009 now or maybe 2010 and then 2012. Not to mention WW and Flash and Watchmen.

Its over folks though [I]/I]i expect many here will be in denial (not talking the river) till WB makes its offical in mid-summer that they are ending the Superman franchise for the indefinite future.

You all have Routh and Horn and Singer to thank for that.

[GreenKToo]

Sorry lex, but no one is buying your argument that W.B. would wait that long to do another Superman film. I bet even the most die hard marvel fan would say that your wrong.

[lexlives]

Sorry lex, but no one is buying your argument that W.B. would wait that long to do another Superman film. I bet even the most die hard marvel fan would say that your wrong.

So we agree the Singer/Routh era just may be history now?

[Freddy_Krueger]

So we agree the Singer/Routh era just may be history now?

How you got that from what Greenie poo said, I'll never understand.

Keep living in la la land.

[Hunter Rider]

You need to get a clue. Singer blew it, Routh and Bosworth bombed as Kal/Clark and Lois. No secret.

Their reviews were mostly positive,don't spin your hate into fact

With Singer now gone there is no imperitative to continue.

Singer hasn't gone anywhere.it's all just smoke right now

There will not be a sequel or reboot in 2010. It is over for the froeseable futiue. Just wait if you doubt me.


I'll take that bet



Its over folks though [i]/I]i expect many here will be in denial (not talking the river) till WB makes its offical in mid-summer that they are ending the Superman franchise for the indefinite future.

If you're wrong will you leave forever ? i mean would you stake your hype presence on it ?

[Maze]

So we agree the Singer/Routh era just may be history now?

All of us agree that you don't know what you talking about, that's all.

the sad part ( and i'm sincere) is normally that Singer will do this movie.( and four sources say it :Three different from Showtime one from deep , the other by Burnet , even Variety say it )

i feel for you Lex if that happen .. all that energy trying to convince everybody..for nothing.

[GreenKToo]

(sigh) I'll say it again, I never cared if singer stayed or left. I do think that there is something to the rumors about him possibly leaving, but I in no way believe that their going to wait 15/20 yrs before doing another supes film, that would be extremely stupid on their part if they did.So we agree the Singer/Routh era just may be history now?

[lexlives]

(sigh) I'll say it again, I never cared if singer stayed or left. I do think that there is something to the rumors about him possibly leaving, but I in no way believe that their going to wait 15/20 yrs before doing another supes film, that would be extremely stupid on their part if they did.


Its because Superman is not a money making franchise that WB will, IMO, wait several decades before trying again.

You are right, there is something to the rumors. This has been spec'd on the generic movie boards for months now. Not really new except there is official confirmation now.

15 - 20 years. WB needs to not rush. BB2 in 2008, BB 3 in 20011 and 4 in 2015. JLA in 2009. JLA 2012 and JLA 3 in 2014. Throw in WW, Flash and Aquaman and WB's plate is full till at least 2020. With films costing lots less than a Superman film and making potentially as much or more. Its why I say there is little cjhnce for s Superman reboot prior to 2023- 2025. Its in the bottom line as in profit which Superman does not deliver at this time to WB.

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[Maze]

Its because Superman is not a money making franchise tha WB will IMO wait several decades before trying again.

You are right, there is something to the rumors. This has been spec'd on the generic movie boards for months now. Not really neew except there is official, confirmation now.
15 - 20 years. WB needs to not rush. BB2 in 2008, BB 3 in 20011 and 4 in 2015. JLA in 2009. JLA 2012 and JLA 3 in 2015. Thrown in WW, Flash and Aquaman and WB's plate is full till at least 2020. With films costing lots less than a Superman film and making potentially as much or more. its why I say there is little cjance for s Su[erman reboot prior to 2023- 2025. Its in the bottom line as in profit which Superman does not deliver at this time to WB.

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We got no confirmation.

Facts , Lex , facts.

[GreenKToo]

W.B. owns the superman name, so they make more off of it that way, than they would if they didnt.
EDIT: about the rumors, nothing is official yet.

[Maze]

Exactly.

[Maze]

W.B. owns the superman name, so they make more off of it that way, than they would if they didnt.
EDIT: about the rumors, nothing is official yet.

and there is no rumor which say that Singer is out. (discounting Lex lives of course ;) )

the rumors say , he could be fired at some point that's all.

[GreenKToo]

most of the rumors i've heard state that even if singer leaves, routh will stay.:cwink: and there is no rumor which say that Singer is out. (discounting Lex lives of course ;) )

the rumors say , he could be fired at some point that's all.

[Maze]

most of the rumors i've heard state that even if singer leaves, routh will stay.:cwink:

Yup They like Routh , but showtime source say that they have considered a reboot in the near future with possiblly a known actor ( and that would be an even dumber move imo )

[lexlives]

Yup They like Routh , but showtime source say that they have considered a reboot in the near future with possiblly a known actor ( and that will be an even dumber move imo )
My sources at WB, third hand, say no reboot for a long, long time. But they agree with ShoTime's that WB will go with generally known actors next time - specifically Clark/Kal and Lois. They were afraid to go with known actors in SR but Routh and Bosworth failed to engage audiences with their performances so it seems WB has had a change of opinion on this.

[Maze]

Lex stop insulting my intelligence.

you have no source.

good night.

[Hunter Rider]

Lex i ask again are you willing to bet on it ?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Lexlives is just posting speculative assumption based crap.

No it's not about a source for him... It's about the film's status being up in the air which is good enough fro him to ASSume it won't be made. It could go either way at this point imo. I would love a Singer sequel myself. However I do hear plenty of buzz about the WB disappointed in it not being a blockbuster. If you don't like SR you will assume the sequel is dead. If you like SR you will optimisticly say it's happening. If you are a Superman fan, you don't care WHAT the scenario is- be it new director, new cast, new writers, etc... You WANT A SUPERMAN FILM MADE DAMN IT! :mad:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

To reiterate it's 50/50 at this point imo. Nobody including you lexlives will be right in the end as it's a coin flip. Sorry to burst the bubble of your wannabe all knowing source persona :)

[GreenKToo]

I'm in the latter, I just want a superman film made damn it.

[lexlives]

To reiterate it's 50/50 at this point imo. Nobody including you lexlives will be right in the end as it's a coin flip. Sorry to burst the bubble of your wannabe all knowing source persona :)

How far some of you have come in the past few weeks when you assumed it was a given. Word, it ain't even 50/50. its over IMO amd the sequel is not happening.

[The Watchman]

Lexlives is just posting speculative assumption based crap.

No it's not about a source for him... It's about the film's status being up in the air which is good enough fro him to ASSume it won't be made. It could go either way at this point imo. I would love a Singer sequel myself. However I do hear plenty of buzz about the WB disappointed in it not being a blockbuster. If you don't like SR you will assume the sequel is dead. If you like SR you will optimisticly say it's happening. If you are a Superman fan, you don't care WHAT the scenario is- be it new director, new cast, new writers, etc... You WANT A SUPERMAN FILM MADE DAMN IT! :mad:

I wasn't crazy about Returns, yet I still assume the sequel is a go. That should be setting something off...

[GreenKToo]

( crickets chirping )Lex i ask again are you willing to bet on it ?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I want to see Singer do a sequel cause I know he has it in him to improve upon SR.

I also want to see Routh back.

However, if it's true the WB locks down a deal with anyone which includes the Wachowski Brothers, I will be first in line to pre-order tickets. First and foremost I am a Superman fan. I want a Superman film made... DAMN IT :mad:

[lexlives]

I want to see Singer do a sequel cause I know he has it in him to improve upon SR.

I also want to see Routh back.

However, if it's true the WB locks down a deal with anyone which includes the Wachowski Brothers, I will be first in line to pre-order tickets. First and foremost I am a Superman fan. I want a Superman film made... DAMN IT :mad:


If Singer is out you can forget seeing a Superman film anytime soon - if ever. IGN is specing the franchise may be over for good.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

How far some of you have come in the past few weeks when you assumed it was a given. Word, it ain't even 50/50. its over IMO amd the sequel is not happening.


:rolleyes: you must not know me at all to group me in with every SR fan that assume it's 100% a go for the sequel. Never had that attitude. I do want a sequel however. I would prefer rather than restarting now with a new director, that we at least get one more SR film done. Give Singer a chance to really blow everyone away. Then another 4-5 years lets see that restart with a new origin story. That's my dream. A Superman film starting with 20-30 minutes of a younger Jor-el showing how everything happens on Krypton and the ultimate decision to save his son's life. Then when he comes to earth we see him grow up (another 15-20 minutes) with scenes with his mother and father (earth parents martha and jonathan) then you finally get to see Superman about 45 minutes into the film.

:up: Just thought I'd share my useless ideas that fall on deaf ears http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

[GreenKToo]

To Lex: nah, we'll still get one within 2/3 yrs regardless of who directs. W.B. will want to cash in on the C.B. film boom again before it plays out.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

nah, we'll still get one within 2/3 yrs regardless of who directs. W.B. will want to cash in on the C.B. film boom again before it plays out.

All signs I know of point to this. :o

If on that coin flip we get no Supes film for a long time... I'm gonna be pissed. :down

[GreenKToo]

I think we will either get an S.R. sequel in 2009, or a reboot in 2010, then a J.L.A. film in 2012 (I hope).

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think we will either get an S.R. sequel in 2009, or a reboot in 2010

As a Superman fan I'll take either one in all honesty. Once again still hoping to see Singer's sequel.

Oh and bring on JLA! :D :D :D

[lexlives]

To Lex: nah, we'll still get one within 2/3 yrs regardless of who directs. W.B. will want to cash in on the C.B. film boom again before it plays out.

Cash in?? Its not like SR made beaucoup bucks like FF or BB or X-men. There may just be no profit there. Its why WB is holding back when by this time aftyer their first films BB, X-Men anbd Ff all had sequels ful steam ahead. Superman may not have the draw to be a profitable film franchise.

[Hunter Rider]

I agree with JC,Superman first director second within reason

Lex i am not getting an answer am i ?

[C. Lee]

I'm able to spend a little more time here again now.....I don't like trolls......have a nice day.

[GreenKToo]

once again lex, W.B. OWNS the Superman name, they make more off of him than a studio normally would by just making a film.

[DeepThroatWB]

Guys there will be a sequel in 2009. If they were going to reboot it, it wouldn't be until like, 2020. Not for a long time. Just expect much to change. I still expect Singer emotional and dramatic story lines to remain, but expect it to be much lighter, in terms of look and story, and just expect a lot more action. Not much else to say. There's actually a meeting on this very thing Wednesday afternoon, but I have no idea what will be mentioned or shown there. So, until Wednesday, good bye!:yay: :yay:

[Showtime]

Deep hits and runs yet again..

[GreenKToo]

:wow: you didnt???:word: I'm able to spend a little more time here again now.....I don't like trolls......have a nice day.

[GreenKToo]

I know, I dont know what to think about him/her yet...Deep hits and runs yet again..

[Showtime]

Check your Myspace.

[DeepThroatWB]

Deep hits and runs yet again..

Ok you do not like surprises? Michael Bay turned the movie down last week, but accepted the 2012 offer in the same meeting. He was their main man, and he didn't want it, so it's back to Singer for now. When Verbinski is done with Pirates, they will begin talking to him. Again, I will know more Wednesday night. I'm surprised nobodys realized those leaked Dark Knight pages confirmed several of my feedings, but if youwant to question me go ahead. This is the person saying the Wachowski's are going to do a Superman reboot.:whatever:

[GreenKToo]

oh really?? well you cant blame us for being a little skeptical due to some other posters, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I have no reason not to.:yay: Ok you do not like surprises? Michael Bay turned the movie down last week, but accepted the 2012 offer in the same meeting. He was their main man, and he didn't want it, so it's back to Singer for now. When Verbinski is done with Pirates, they will begin talking to him. Again, I will know more Wednesday night. I'm surprised nobodys realized those leaked Dark Knight pages confirmed several of my feedings, but if youwant to question me go ahead. This is the person saying the Wachowski's are going to do a Superman reboot.:whatever:

[Showtime]

Ok you do not like surprises? Michael Bay turned the movie down last week, but accepted the 2012 offer in the same meeting. He was their main man, and he didn't want it, so it's back to Singer for now. When Verbinski is done with Pirates, they will begin talking to him. Again, I will know more Wednesday night. I'm surprised nobodys realized those leaked Dark Knight pages confirmed several of my feedings, but if youwant to question me go ahead. This is the person saying the Wachowski's are going to do a Superman reboot.:whatever:

I am not saying anything about the Wachowski Bros, this is what I was given. What did I question, you hit and ran, that is the truth?

You really feel the need to justify your posts, I don't in the least.

[lexlives]

Guys there will be a sequel in 2009. If they were going to reboot it, it wouldn't be until like, 2020. Not for a long time. Just expect much to change. I still expect Singer emotional and dramatic story lines to remain, but expect it to be much lighter, in terms of look and story, and just expect a lot more action. Not much else to say. There's actually a meeting on this very thing Wednesday afternoon, but I have no idea what will be mentioned or shown there. So, until Wednesday, good bye!:yay: :yay:


I find your comments a bit hard to beleive. They simply do not add up. Forget what I am hearing - it will be virtually impossible to get a talneted name director to come in and take over this mess and turn it around by 2009. That seems to be what you are saying and I find it hard to buy.

[lexlives]

I am not saying anything about the Wachowski Bros, this is what I was given. What did I question, you hit and ran, that is the truth?

You really feel the need to justify your posts, I don't in the least.

Oh man, we all 3 have sources - I am taking you at your words - yet we are hearing or being fed more appropriately - totally different stories.

[lexlives]

Guys there will be a sequel in 2009. If they were going to reboot it, it wouldn't be until like, 2020. Not for a long time. Just expect much to change. I still expect Singer emotional and dramatic story lines to remain, but expect it to be much lighter, in terms of look and story, and just expect a lot more action. Not much else to say. There's actually a meeting on this very thing Wednesday afternoon, but I have no idea what will be mentioned or shown there. So, until Wednesday, good bye!:yay: :yay:


I am hearing BTW a 2020 date or later for a reboot so we agree on that. Or our sources do.

[Freddy_Krueger]

I am hearing BTW a 2020 date or later for a reboot so we agree on that. Or our sources do.

Really? I heard a 2455 reboot date.

[Showtime]

This is like a comedy of errors.

[GreenKToo]

(snickers)This is like a comedy of errors.

[lexlives]

Really? I heard a 2455 reboot date.

Well some sites like IGN are suggesting the Superman franchise is over with for good - so 2455 could be an optimisitc date - LOL!

[lexlives]

Really? I heard a 2455 reboot date.

Well some sites like IGN are suggesting the Superman franchise is over with for good - so 2455 could be an optimisitc date - LOL!

[Showtime]

(snickers)

Doesn't take a brainiac to realize that nothing is written in stone until it is formerly announced.

No pun intended...

[lexlives]

This is like a comedy of errors.

Except that it is not funny if you are a Superm,an fan.

By this time - a year almost after the releases of BB, FF, Spidey 1 and X-Men sequel were greenlighted/confirmed.

Not so for Superman which looks iffy at best.

Something is going on at WB and it is not good as reelated to a Superman sequel.

All the talk of it sold more tickets or the DVD sales were good (they were bad actually) is being proven false. WB is stalling or has decided against doing any more Superman films because - read my lips - SR did not turn a profit or turned only a minimal profit.

Do you really think things are going well for an SR sequel right now?

Do you really think that oh, if WB doesn't like Singer they will turn around and hire another director and do a film in 2009?

Anyone who thinks that at this late date and with the growing evidence to the contrary has their heads in the sand.

This franchise is on life support right now and may already be dead for all we know.

[JamalYIgle]

I am hearing BTW a 2020 date or later for a reboot so we agree on that. Or our sources do.

your sources are smoking crack.

[JamalYIgle]

Except that it is not funny if you are a Superm,an fan.

By this time - a year almost after the releases of BB, FF, Spidey 1 and X-Men sequel were greenlighted/confirmed.

Not so for Superman which looks iffy at best.

Something is going on at WB and it is not good as reelated to a Superman sequel.

All the talk of it sold more tickets or the DVD sales were good (they were bad actually) is being proven false. WB is stalling or has decided against doing any more Superman films because - read my lips - SR did not turn a profit or turned only a minimal profit.

Do you really think things are going well for an SR sequel right now?

Do you really think that oh, if WB doesn't like Singer they will turn around and hire another director and do a film in 2009?

Anyone who thinks that at this late date and with the growing evidence to the contrary has their heads in the sand.

This franchise is on life support right now and may already be dead for all we know.
again, just because you say it repeatedly dosen't make it a fact. It's you're opinion, one that has been discredited more than once.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Just wanted to note that SHH itself is going with Rob Burnett's claim of a March '08 start for Singer and crew.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5358

But boy, I can't wait to hear lexlives' next claim.

"My sources told me that the film has been pushed back til about a hundred years from now. They also say that Warner Brothers has brought Ed Wood back to life and have tapped him to direct. Get ready to roll in your graves, fellas!"

[The Watchman]

Rob Burnett
Alex DeLarge
Dan and Mike

That is, unless something sinister is afoot. DUN DUN DUN!

[Showtime]

Except that it is not funny if you are a Superm,an fan.

By this time - a year almost after the releases of BB, FF, Spidey 1 and X-Men sequel were greenlighted/confirmed.

Not so for Superman which looks iffy at best.

Something is going on at WB and it is not good as reelated to a Superman sequel.

All the talk of it sold more tickets or the DVD sales were good (they were bad actually) is being proven false. WB is stalling or has decided against doing any more Superman films because - read my lips - SR did not turn a profit or turned only a minimal profit.

Do you really think things are going well for an SR sequel right now?

Do you really think that oh, if WB doesn't like Singer they will turn around and hire another director and do a film in 2009?

Anyone who thinks that at this late date and with the growing evidence to the contrary has their heads in the sand.

This franchise is on life support right now and may already be dead for all we know.

You have been watching to much One Life To Live, you need to remove yourself from all the drama. Movies of this magnitude will always spark rumors, speculation, and sources galore. Superman is no exception. When you seperate your opinons from the facts life will be so much easier.

[AssMan]

Trolls get banned.......

I quote this specific quote because if trolls get banned then what is lexlives still doing here

[dude love]

You have been watching to much One Life To Live,

Wasn't Brandon Routh in One Life to Live? :woot: I'd LMAO if that was LL's favourite soap, Routh was his favourite character and he's just bitter at him for leaving the show.

The funny thing is that everyone who's spoken on a sequel: Routh, Rob Burnett, Alex DeLarge, Dan Harris, Mike Dougherty, Steve Younis, Variety Guy, Showtime's guy and most importantly Alan Horn, have all said that a Superman movie is happening and it'll be out circa 2009 - 2010.

[buggs0268]

I quote this specific quote because if trolls get banned then what is lexlives still doing here
He isn't a troll. He is stating an opinion, his opinion, that conflicts with those who like the film. He is not trolling or flaming, just posting a different opinion from you guys. That is why he isn't banned. He isn't breaking any rules.

[Ita-KalEl]

When LexLives is back with his posts, usually everything is ok for Singer and for the SR sequel. When he disappears, there are a lot of controversial rumors. Lex, stay with us :oldrazz:

[thedarks0ldier]

Man, that news from Robert Meyer Burnett totally skeeted on anyone's hopes of a reboot. Can't say I am disappointed, I liked SR and am really looking foward to the sequal. I was disappointed with X-MEN but fell in love with it after watching X-2. I sure hope the same is true with Superman.

[Ita-KalEl]

'till the WB official announcement, LexLives will have a good margin to troll ;)
The difference between a legit SR hater and a troll (LexLives), is that the "SR hater" thinks that with a right restart the new Superman movie could be the best sh movie ever made, far better than Spiderman.

LexLives hates Superman. In the 2001-2002 he wrote that Superman was a dead character. I wonder why he posts here, if he hates superman. I don't know if he is a sad marvel fanboy, or he is only a professional troll.

Lex, if you exclude Batman and Superman, where are your big guys? Ghost Rider will be lucky to cross the 130m in the US, the Spiderman franchise will have a break soon...and the FF2 IMO will be lucky to cross the 160m in the US (they have to challenge Harry Potter and the Transformers after few weeks).
Even if we assume that the rumors are true, it's clear that at the WB they are thinking how to improve the Superman franchise, not how to cancel it.

[lexlives]

Moviehole is now reporting that the Superman sequel is being cancelled to make way for a JLA film:


http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070319_exclusive_superman_wont_go_it.html

The fact that WB is not denying any of this and allowing the story to take on a life of its own gives it more credibilty. If an SR sequel wass still on track why wouldn't WB issues a press release to that effect? Telling indeed.

[Ita-KalEl]

But with Superman/Routh inside :)
Superman would be the superstar of the movie. So the SR sequel would be the JLA movie.
I woud like the idea. But, LexLives...admit it, it sounds really a speculation.
JLA rumor+delay rumor = the Superman Returns sequel delayed and a JLA movie coming soon with Superman inside.
No Batman...because Bale has other projects for the 2009. LOL
A little too simple for me. :)

[Maze]

Moviehole is now reporting that the Superman sequel is being cancelled to make way for a JLA film:


http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070319_exclusive_superman_wont_go_it.html

The fact that WB is not denying any of this and allowing the story to take on a life of its own gives it more credibilty. If an SR sequel wass still on track why wouldn't WB issues a press release to that effect? Telling indeed.


Nope they are reporting rumors that Warner is thinking about it that's all.

but, that will not prevent you to continue to spin what you read like you did it with showtime and deep.

if you spin your "source "too , no wonder that you say non sense.

Go on Lex , you have zero credibility. you just go with the flow.

[Ita-KalEl]

LOL LexLives, don't read moviehole, but IESB:

Justice League Before Superman 2?
Written by Stephanie Sanchez
Sunday, 18 March 2007
Superman 2 on hold and Justice League moving forward!? Well at least those are the latest rumors around the web but is there any truth to the story?

Our buds over at Moviehole are reporting the following:

A couple of months back I’d heard some whispers – whispers initiating as echoes from rather illustrious corridors mind you; that’s the only way I can put it without outing the pretty solid sources here – about the next “Superman” movie.

After the slightly (I say only slightly, because the film was still profitable) disappointing returns on “Superman Returns”, Warner were in two minds about whether to continue the series or not – right away, anyway. One idea that came up was to make their long-planned “Justice League” movie, and possibly just incorporate ‘Superman’ into that...

Interestingly enough, a couple of weeks later, those some publications announce that the next “Superman” sequel could be delayed- because director Bryan Singer has gone and got himself involved in another film; a thriller for United Artists...

Interesting hey? Well, the plot thickens, I heard from a pretty reliable source this weekend – who, has some top contacts himself – who essentially confirmed that the WB are thinking of putting the next “Superman” movie into turnaround, and instead will just use the character in the new “Justice League” movie. (Funnily enough, Batman would not be involved in the new film – he’s too big to waste on a film like this, apparently).

Having now heard the same from about half-a-dozen reliable insiders, I checked in with a couple of sources near the Water Tower itself, who wouldn’t confirm nor deny the reports, but definitely haven’t dismissed that it’s a possibility. One of them would only say that there “could be something in [that]”.

So that's the report, the problem with it is that sources close to the Singer camp are saying this is total bull****. The Man of Steel is expected to start shooting March of 2008 and that has not changed from Bryan's original plans.

Some of these rumors appear to have started after Variety assumed that there would be a delay on the Supes sequel because Bryan is doing another film this summer. That assumption was flawed because Bryan had always planned on doing another film before Superman 2, be it Logans Run or another.

So what is the final word? Don't believe everything you read, especially on the internet :)

---

http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2088&Itemid=99

--

:whatever:

[Maze]

Lol! i like the final quote :cwink:

[Matt]

To reiterate it's 50/50 at this point imo. Nobody including you lexlives will be right in the end as it's a coin flip. Sorry to burst the bubble of your wannabe all knowing source persona :)

Exactly. When you have everyone throwing **** at a wall, something is going to stick...so to put this in an incredibly crude way...this isn't about right or wrong...its about whose **** sticks :cwink:

[Maze]

Exactly.

[Ita-KalEl]

It's clear that the lies are often more fascinating than the truth :)

Guys, it's evident that we are going to see the SR sequel (directed by Singer) in the 2009.

[I_Hate_U_All]

K... http://www.nndb.com/people/909/000024837/simmons.jpg

[Matt]

But with Superman/Routh inside :)
Superman would be the superstar of the movie. So the SR sequel would be the JLA movie.

That is spin if I've ever heard it. :cwink:

In all honesty, there would be one person who steals the show of a Justice League movie and his name would be Martian Manhunter. He is a compelling character, his origin would no doubt be focused on in the movie, he is not very main stream, so most people would see him as something new and exciting. Especially if they used effects similiar to those of Davy Jones for him.

[Matt]

It's clear that the lies are often more fascinating than the truth :)

Guys, it's evident that we are going to see the SR sequel (directed by Singer) in the 2009.

No, I think the point is its not evident right now. Two weeks ago it would be evident. Right now, who knows?

[lexlives]

But with Superman/Routh inside :)
Superman would be the superstar of the movie. So the SR sequel would be the JLA movie.
I woud like the idea. But, LexLives...admit it, it sounds really a speculation.
JLA rumor+delay rumor = the Superman Returns sequel delayed and a JLA movie coming soon with Superman inside.
No Batman...because Bale has other projects for the 2009. LOL
A little too simple for me. :)

It would be a sad admission that Superman can't carry a film on his own as the article suggests. Plus wanna bet one of the other characters like GL or MM ends up being the hit chracter in a JLA film and Superman comes out looking sort of uninteresting by comparison?!

[Ita-KalEl]

It would be a sad admission that Superman can't carry a film on his own as the article suggests.

Yes, expecially if the rumor is a BS :woot:

[Maze]

Good Lex :)

you are making progess ,soon you'll not spin anymore
I guess if it is true – and again, this is far from confirmation; and these rumours suggest that the idea is still just that… an idea

WB are thinking of putting the next “Superman” movie into turnaround, and instead will just use the character in the new “Justice League” movie. (Funnily enough, Batman would not be involved in the new film – he’s too big to waste on a film like this, apparently).

After the slightly (I say only slightly, because the film was still profitable) disappointing returns on “Superman Returns”, Warner were in two minds about whether to continue the series or not – right away, anyway. One idea that came up was to make their long-planned “Justice League” movie, and possibly just incorporate ‘Superman’ into that.

[Justice Bringer]

Interesting that the moviehole.net still says SR was profitable.

But regardless, I'd love to see a JLA film with BR but its too soon.

They need to resolve the love triangle from SR first in a sequel before jumping into JLA.

[lexlives]

'till the WB official announcement, LexLives will have a good margin to troll ;)
The difference between a legit SR hater and a troll (LexLives), is that the "SR hater" thinks that with a right restart the new Superman movie could be the best sh movie ever made, far better than Spiderman.

LexLives hates Superman. In the 2001-2002 he wrote that Superman was a dead character. I wonder why he posts here, if he hates superman. I don't know if he is a sad marvel fanboy, or he is only a professional troll.

Lex, if you exclude Batman and Superman, where are your big guys? Ghost Rider will be lucky to cross the 130m in the US, the Spiderman franchise will have a break soon...and the FF2 IMO will be lucky to cross the 160m in the US (they have to challenge Harry Potter and the Transformers after few weeks).
Even if we assume that the rumors are true, it's clear that at the WB they are thinking how to improve the Superman franchise, not how to cancel it.

Ghost Rider is already a more profitable film that SR basaed on the BO and what it cost to make.

[dark_b]

rob said that there will be a sequel. hes the guy who was working in SR with singer. there will be a sequel.

[lexlives]

rob said that there will be a sequel. hes the guy who was working in SR with singer. there will be a sequel.

Its not what Rob says or beleives right now - its all up to WB and they are not denying these reports. Smething you'd assume they would do if the reports are not true.

[Maze]

Ghost Rider is already a more profitable film that SR basaed on the BO and what it cost to make.

No it ain't profitable for the moment seeing the bo.

another spin Lex

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider.htm

Fifty prct go to the studio.

[Ita-KalEl]

Ghost Rider is already a more profitable film that SR basaed on the BO and what it cost to make.

So you are assuming that the problem of SR was only the budget. Yes, even the WB agree with you. With a budget of 170m the sequel of SR has good chances to be really profitable.

[I_Hate_U_All]

I don't think the singer fan group would be attacking you if you weren't striking some nerve with them, lexlives. Are you guys worried you won't get Superboy Lives?

Why?...

[Maze]

Its not what Rob says or beleives right now - its all up to WB and they are not denying these reports. Smething you'd assume they would do if the reports are not true.

Rob know what he does or not.

he works on the production.

it's concrete , it's not a Lex Spin.

now Warner can think ABOUT other option that is a possibility yes.

[Maze]

I don't think the singer fan group would be attacking you if you weren't striking some nerve with them, lexlives. Are you guys worried you won't get Superboy Lives?

Why?...

Not really.

Just because personnaly ,i observed on the internet that a guy who lie all the time or/and who make up things , make the discussion difficult


(and befores seeing noo ,make your research if you wan't to know ;) )

[lexlives]

Rob know what he does or not.

he works on the production.

it's concrete , it's not a Lex Spin.

now Warner can think ABOUT other option that is a possibility yes.

And its all up to WB now. They are free to deny or not the reports - they are choosing not to.

[lexlives]

So you are assuming that the problem of SR was only the budget. Yes, even the WB agree with you. With a budget of 170m the sequel of SR has good chances to be really profitable.

The budget was just one of many problems IMO.

[I_Hate_U_All]

Not really.

Just because personnaly ,i observed on the internet that a guy who lie all the time or/and who make up things , make the discussion difficult


(and befores seeing noo ,make your research if you wan't to know ;) )

Well I like it. Keeps things balanced. If someone was in here doing what lexlives was doing, but in the opposite way, like saying "Singer's god" then I doubt anyone of singer's fanz would object.

[Maze]

And its all up to WB now. They are free to deny or not the reports - they are choosing not to.
Yup.

so no debunking , no confirmation about Singer getting the boot.

there are rumors that they think about it. and that is all

everything is up in the air.

[Maze]

Well I like it. Keeps things balanced. If someone was in here doing what lexlives was doing, but in the opposite way, like saying "Singer's god" then I doubt anyone of singer's fanz would object.

From my point of view a Matt make things balanced , hunter makes things balanced , showtime ,not lex .

Ps: there is a difference in implying or saying that Singer vision is perfect or that he is a god ( and that's not what i think to be clear on the matter) and in inventing things about the production.

[Ita-KalEl]

The budget was just one of many problems IMO.

But despite these "many problems" SR did $391,081,192

FF did $330,120,875 ww
BB did $371,853,783 ww
And Ghost Rider is struggling to cross the 200m ww.

I repeat, where are your big guys?
If we exclude X-Men: The last stand, since 2005 Superman Returns has been the most successful SH movie.

Why do you think that the WB would cancel the franchise? IMO they are only trying to make it more profitable.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Yup.

so no debunking , no confirmation about Singer getting the boot.

there are rumors that they think about it. and that is all

everything is up in the air.
The process is lnot so fast. They'll probably wait for treatments from both parts (Singer and the JLA screenwriters), try to figure out a budget, discuss it with their cost analyst and the Legendary people, then decide. The fact is that a JLA movie is gonna be more expensive than a controlled-budget Superman movie.

[Maze]

The process is lnot so fast. They'll probably wait for treatments from both parts (Singer and the JLA screenwriters), try to figure out a budget, discuss it with their cost analyst and the Legendary people, then decide. The fact is that a JLA movie is gonna be more expensive than a controlled-budget Superman movie.
Yup yup obviously ;)

[lexlives]

No it ain't profitable for the moment seeing the bo.

another spin Lex

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider.htm

Fifty prct go to the studio.


Relatively more than SR - by which I mean GR has mde back at the domestic box more than it cost to make and is still going strong with another good weekend showing strong legs. SR did not make back at the fomestic BO what it cost to make.

[I_Hate_U_All]

From my point of view a Matt make things balanced , hunter makes things balanced , showtime ,not lex .

Ps: there is a difference in implying or saying that Singer vision is perfect or that he is a god ( and that's not what i think to be clear on the matter) and in inventing things about the production.

Matt's weird, doesn't seem very honest. I don't trust him.
Showtime's another one I don't trust. Too many posts about the fanboys, not about the passion for superman.

Hunter Rider's the most balanced and seems to have passion so I give you that.

lexlives obviously has an agenda but whatever. It's a nice balance to the studio interns around here.

[ultimatefan]

Well, guys, check the main page. The delay thing has been officially debunked... The SR sequel starts march 2008, as we´ve all been told for a long time...

[Ita-KalEl]

The process is lnot so fast. They'll probably wait for treatments from both parts (Singer and the JLA screenwriters), try to figure out a budget, discuss it with their cost analyst and the Legendary people, then decide. The fact is that a JLA movie is gonna be more expensive than a controlled-budget Superman movie.

Excellent point Antonello. Mi pare evidente che analizzeranno il tutto e poi decideranno su quale film può dare maggiori garanzie di guadagno.

I bet on the fact that at the end of the games this time they'll greenlit the SR sequel.
I don't think that they are ready to greenlit a JLA movie with a +200m budget.

[Maze]

Well, guys, check the main page. The delay thing has been officially debunked... The SR sequel starts march 2008, as we´ve all been told for a long time...

hey ultimatefan :yay:

yup yup , that's the official Word. variety could have speculated ( or maybe not) but that's the official word.

Ps : i hate u all we'll have to agree to disagree on Matt and showtime but meet Ultimatefan who along also with Antonio and superbat is somebody who keep things balanced too.

[Super Kal]

I wouldn't trust that guy with a 10 foot pole... just because HE says it doesn't make it concrete.

he's not Bryan Singer, and nor is he the head of WB... until official word comes from either Singer himself or WB an not from one of their lackeys, this is still a rumor.

[lexlives]

The process is lnot so fast. They'll probably wait for treatments from both parts (Singer and the JLA screenwriters), try to figure out a budget, discuss it with their cost analyst and the Legendary people, then decide. The fact is that a JLA movie is gonna be more expensive than a controlled-budget Superman movie.

I don't think a JLA movie is or will be more expensive. They did FF 2 and X-3 on smaller budgest than SR despite multiple heros.

Superman's FX with the flying and such are more expensive and I assume in a JLA film his screentime and heroics will not be all that great given the other 4 or 5 heros they will feature and WB's obvious desire to spin-off some of these other characters into their own films - like with SS.

For all we know Supermn's presence in a JLA film could be more of a cameo type thing. I really do no se him being the focus of such a film and that will reduce costs.

[Maze]

I wouldn't trust that guy with a 10 foot pole... just because HE says it doesn't make it concrete.

he's not Bryan Singer, and nor is he the head of WB... until official word comes from either Singer himself or WB an not from one of their lackeys, this is still a rumor.

Yup yup, you believe what you believe.

but shh is not known for publishing rumor.

not saying that there never will a change of plan , but for the moment Shh believe it too .

[lexlives]

Well, guys, check the main page. The delay thing has been officially debunked... The SR sequel starts march 2008, as we´ve all been told for a long time...

Official is WB saying something. Rob B's comments are not the "official" source I'd be looking for status of the project from.

[Super Kal]

Official is WB saying something. Rob B's comments are not the "official" source I'd be looking for status of the project from.
exactly... Rob may work for Singer, but Rob is not the end all in what goes on with the sequel.

[Maze]

yup what Rob is saying doesn't mean that there are no behind the scenes of course.

and with all the hoopla i can believe that something is going on.

that they are thinking as the rumors sugest about other plans.

[Super Kal]

who is "they"?

Rob is not speaking for the WB... he's only speaking of what he knows of.

[Showtime]

Matt's weird, doesn't seem very honest. I don't trust him. Showtime's another one I don't trust. Too many posts about the fanboys, not about the passion for superman. Hunter Rider's the most balanced and seems to have passion so I give you that. Lexlives obviously has an agenda but whatever. It's a nice balance to the studio interns around here.

:cwink:

[Maze]

who is "they"?

Rob is not speaking for the WB... he's only speaking of what he knows of.

They: Warner.

[Freddy_Krueger]

exactly... Rob may work for Singer, but Rob is not the end all in what goes on with the sequel.

No, but he does know Singer's intentions since he's working so closely with him. And if Singer is aiming for a March '08 start, then WB most certainly would be as well.

[lexlives]

yup what Rob is saying doesn't mean that there are no behind the scenes of course.

and with all the hoopla i can believe that something is going on.

that they are thinking as the rumors sugest about other plans.

Kinda like where there is smoke there is fire.

WB not denying makes it all the more likely something is going on.

As for the JLA franchise. They may want a 2009 release but that will be hard.

Lots of questions - would Superman just be a secondary cameo role? Will the producers be given casting control - if so Routh is not a given in the role.

Are they planning a JLA trilogy like Batman?

[lexlives]

No, but he does know Singer's intentions since he's working so closely with him. And if Singer is aiming for a March '08 start, then WB most certainly would be as well.


It looks like things have suddenly changed at WB so even if they at one time looking for a March 08 start of shoot I think that is all now up in the air. Rob is not privy to what is going on at WB.

[Maze]

Kinda like where there is smoke there is fire.

WB not denying makes it all the more likely something is going on.

As for the JLA franchise. They may want a 2009 release but that will be hard.

Lots of questions - would Superman just be a secondary cameo role? Will the producers be given casting control - if so Routh is not a given in the role.

Are they planning a JLA trilogy like Batman?

Nope they doesn"t wan't a 2009 release that is a speculation on a rumor.

you have to do something about that spin side of yourself, Lex.

Ps: and imo no Superman would be the protagonist . he is the most well known character (and popular) of the Jla , they need him to introducce the others.

[dark_b]

I wouldn't trust that guy with a 10 foot pole... just because HE says it doesn't make it concrete.

he's not Bryan Singer, and nor is he the head of WB... until official word comes from either Singer himself or WB an not from one of their lackeys, this is still a rumor.so they are already filming footage for the sequel(behind the scenes) but its still not 100%? :huh:

i mean you think that this guy is just helping singer to get teh job beck or what?

someone needs to explain me this. i dont understand how this works.

[Maze]

It looks like things have suddenly changed at WB so even if they at one time looking for a March 08 start of shoot I think that is all now up in the air. Rob is not privy to what is going on at WB.
nope, The rumors suggest that they have ideas in case they change their plans.

not that Warner has changed them.

[Freddy_Krueger]

WB not denying makes it all the more likely something is going on.



They didn't confirm nor deny Jackman as Jor-El in Superman Returns either. In fact, it's hard to confirm or deny anything when principal photography is a year away. For all WB knows, Bryan Singer, Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth and everyone else could die in a car wreck all at the same time tomorrow. Confirming something so far away right now is pointless.

[dark_b]

They didn't confirm nor deny Jackman as Jor-El in Superman Returns either. In fact, it's hard to confirm or deny anything when principal photography is a year away. For all WB knows, Bryan Singer, Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth and everyone else could die in a car wreck all at the same time tomorrow. Confirming something so far away right now is pointless.good examples.

[Matt]

rob said that there will be a sequel. hes the guy who was working in SR with singer. there will be a sequel.

Rob didn't work on the movie. He made the making of documentary. There is a huge difference. Do you really think the guy who makes the official documentary and is there to spin it in a good light is privied to inside information about the politics of Warners Bros? Rob isn't as reliable as some would think. Just because he saw a contract signing doesn't mean WB MUST use Singer.

[ultimatefan]

who is "they"?

Rob is not speaking for the WB... he's only speaking of what he knows of.

Stop squinting your eyes, he´s working on the sequel, read the post right...

[Matt]

From my point of view a Matt make things balanced , hunter makes things balanced , showtime ,not lex .

Ps: there is a difference in implying or saying that Singer vision is perfect or that he is a god ( and that's not what i think to be clear on the matter) and in inventing things about the production.

haha, thanks very much, you're not too bad yourself :cwink:

[ultimatefan]

Official is WB saying something. Rob B's comments are not the "official" source I'd be looking for status of the project from.

WB has made it official that they are gonna make a sequel months ago, you people just refuse to believe so...

[Matt]

But despite these "many problems" SR did $391,081,192

FF did $330,120,875 ww
BB did $371,853,783 ww
And Ghost Rider is struggling to cross the 200m ww.

I repeat, where are your big guys?
If we exclude X-Men: The last stand, since 2005 Superman Returns has been the most successful SH movie.

Why do you think that the WB would cancel the franchise? IMO they are only trying to make it more profitable.

NOW THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS SPIN! Success is a matter of net profit, not gross profit. I own a bar, what you are saying would be like me saying "I make about 2,000 a night, but pay 1,900 in expenses. Meanwhile the bar down the street makes 1,500 a night but pays only 1,000 in expenses. I'm more profitable."

Net gross is what matters and every movie you have cited is more profitable than SR.

[Matt]

They didn't confirm nor deny Jackman as Jor-El in Superman Returns either. In fact, it's hard to confirm or deny anything when principal photography is a year away. For all WB knows, Bryan Singer, Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth and everyone else could die in a car wreck all at the same time tomorrow. Confirming something so far away right now is pointless.

Come now, there is a huge difference between confirming and denying casting and confirming and denying the existence of the project. Shareholders could care less if Hugh Jackman makes a cameo. They DO care about whether it is getting off the ground.

[Matt]

WB has made it official that they are gonna make a sequel months ago, you people just refuse to believe so...

WB confirmed Tim Burton was making the project. WB confirmed McG was making the project. WB confirmed Brett Ratner was making the project. WB confirmed McG was making the project again. Fox confirmed Bryan Singer was doing X3. Things like this change at a drop of a dime. Nothing is certain, but it is YOU who is refusing to accept the possibility Singer may not be doing it.

[Super Kal]

No, but he does know Singer's intentions since he's working so closely with him. And if Singer is aiming for a March '08 start, then WB most certainly would be as well.

Stop squinting your eyes, he´s working on the sequel, read the post right...

then I'll just wait for the official confirmation from WB... I'd rather wait and see what they have to say since they're the ones who are in charge of the franchise...

[Matt]

No, but he does know Singer's intentions since he's working so closely with him. And if Singer is aiming for a March '08 start, then WB most certainly would be as well.

What Singer intends means jack. Whatever is happening is happening on WB's part. I believe there is something going on. What? I don't know (I'd speculate that there is some kind of internal debate at WB. Some want to keep Singer, others don't). But whatever is going on, it has little to do with Singer's camp and more to do with WB.

[Antonello Blueberry]

NOW THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS SPIN! Success is a matter of net profit, not gross profit.
Batman begins and SR had quite the same net profit. If you subtract from SR budget, the money made with product placement and cross promotion (the Nolan movie had close to zero in that department) you get the same budget of BB. Do the math.

[Maze]

What Singer intends means jack. Whatever is happening is happening on WB's part. I believe there is something going on. What? I don't know (I'd speculate that there is some kind of internal debate at WB. Some want to keep Singer, others don't). But whatever is going on, it has little to do with Singer's camp and more to do with WB.

That's exactly what i think.

that said , Antonello is right.

ps: and you're welcome about what i have said about you :)

[Matt]

Batman Begins also had a budget that is between 50 to 100 million dollars less than SR. It had no ad placement, granted...but as far as we know Nolan did not recieve a cut of the profits (where as far as we know, Singer did). Furthermore, the intended demographic was entirely different. WB did not think for a second BB would appeal to children, where as they expected SR to. The expectations for SR were much higher, therefore that is a consideration. Batman Begins was more successful than SR and when it comes down to it, it was a much smaller film.

[jj9126]

Well, guys, check the main page. The delay thing has been officially debunked... The SR sequel starts march 2008, as we´ve all been told for a long time...

Yeah, it seems like the Singer camp is doing everything they can to reassure us of that.

Here's my gut:

1) There is internal debate over whether to do a straight SR sequel OR a JLA movie.

2) Singer (maybe because of the debate) decides to do the UA film.

3) Someone at WB, UA, Singer's Camp OR the JLA camp get the "delay" rumor flowing.

4) In a PR response (and to keep the stench of death off their film) Singer's camp starts re-assuring everyone that their sequel is still on-track via fansites...

5) Meanwhile, no decisions will probably be made until the JLA script is complete.

[ultimatefan]

Yeah, it seems like the Singer camp is doing everything they can to reassure us of that.

Here's my gut:

1) There is internal debate over whether to do a straight SR sequel OR a JLA movie.

2) Singer (maybe because of the debate) decides to do the UA film.

3) Someone at WB, UA, Singer's Camp OR the JLA camp get the "delay" rumor flowing.

4) In a PR response (and to keep the stench of death off their film) Singer's camp starts re-assuring everyone that their sequel is still on-track via fansites...

5) Meanwhile, no decisions will probably be made until the JLA script is complete.

Yeah, a person who works directly with the production says the sequel is being made and remains schedule, the studio president has said the studio wants a sequel for 2009, there´s a signed deal between the studio and the director, from the sound of it you people are gonna see the movie playing in theaters and are gonna call it a mirage...

[ultimatefan]

WB confirmed Tim Burton was making the project. WB confirmed McG was making the project. WB confirmed Brett Ratner was making the project. WB confirmed McG was making the project again. Fox confirmed Bryan Singer was doing X3. Things like this change at a drop of a dime. Nothing is certain, but it is YOU who is refusing to accept the possibility Singer may not be doing it.

None of the guys you mentioned actually made a Superman movie that was released in theaters. The analogy doesn´t work.

[ultimatefan]

then I'll just wait for the official confirmation from WB... I'd rather wait and see what they have to say since they're the ones who are in charge of the franchise...

The confirmation was made months ago with a signed deal between the director and the studio. You people actually read what the guy said? they´re already working on the sequel as we speak...

[Matt]

None of the guys you mentioned actually made a Superman movie that was released in theaters. The analogy doesn´t work.

Sure it does. It shows how quickly everything can change in this industry. McG was literally a plane ride away from doing Superman.

But I do agree with JJ in the context that we have only heard one side of the story (Singer's camp). I would really like to hear the other side.

And really Ultimatefan...how can you deny SOMETHING is happening when all signs point to it? Like I said, I'd speculate on some kind of internal debate...but I really don't know. But SOMETHING is happening in the walls of Warner Bros.

[Matt]

The confirmation was made months ago with a signed deal between the director and the studio. You people actually read what the guy said? they´re already working on the sequel as we speak...

What would they be working on? A script? Right now, nothing is happening with the movie as Singer is working on a WWII thriller with United Artists. Not Superman Returns 2. That is a fact.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm dizzy with so much spin lol,right now i am guessing there must be some internal debate at WB i don't think anything so far is cut and dry.

[Matt]

Matt's weird, doesn't seem very honest. I don't trust him. Showtime's another one I don't trust. Too many posts about the fanboys, not about the passion for superman. Hunter Rider's the most balanced and seems to have passion so I give you that. Lexlives obviously has an agenda but whatever. It's a nice balance to the studio interns around here.

Hey, I may be a bit of a prick...but Showtime is a stand up guy :up:

[Super Kal]

What would they be working on? A script? Right now, nothing is happening with the movie as Singer is working on a WWII thriller with United Artists. Not Superman Returns 2. That is a fact.
exactly.

[jj9126]

Yeah, a person who works directly with the production says the sequel is being made and remains schedule, the studio president has said the studio wants a sequel for 2009, there´s a signed deal between the studio and the director, from the sound of it you people are gonna see the movie playing in theaters and are gonna call it a mirage...

Hey, I'm not saying Superman Returns isn't happening. I'm saying there's internal debate that could go either way.

If the JLA script is amazing (and can be shot for same/equal $$$ as SR) anything could happen.

[Showtime]

Hey, I may be a bit of a prick...but Showtime is a stand up guy :up:

Thanks for the vote of confidence, I think you stand up with me.

"We are only pricks to those who disagree with our opinons" :cwink:

[Antonello Blueberry]

The expectations for SR were much higher, therefore that is a consideration. Batman Begins was more successful than SR and when it comes down to it, it was a much smaller film.
Do you know that the first Batman movie was more successful than the first Donner Superman movie? Meaning that more people went to see Burton's Batman.
So there was no historical indication that a Superman movie could make more money than a Batman one. But SR made more money than BB.

[Metropolis_Man]

Yeah, Showtime is a class act all the way. Hes one trustworthy son of a gun. There is way too much worry surrounding the project right now anyways. Much of this is speculation and word handed down. I'd give everything time before getting too involved in what to believe. Its still very early to believe anything is concrete yet.

[FlawlessVictory]

from the sound of it you people are gonna see the movie playing in theaters and are gonna call it a mirage...

I wish SR was a mirage. :csad:

[GreenKToo]

doh' :DDoesn't take a brainiac to realize that nothing is written in stone until it is formerly announced.

No pun intended...

[X Knight]

well....for the record, I think both Showtime and Maze are class acts!

as for this whole delay thing.......obviously, I would be very happy if WB went a different direction.

but.....if they don't........doesn't matter much.......IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD..............and no one's forcing me to see the sequel either.......

Singer didn't impress me with SR, therefore I'm not too enthused about any of his sequels..........you can't please everyone.......that's just part of the business of making a movie........

[Venom'sDad]

as for this whole delay thing.......obviously, I would be very happy if WB went a different direction.

but.....if they don't........doesn't matter much.......IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD..............and no one's forcing me to see the sequel either.......

Singer didn't impress me with SR, therefore I'm not too enthused about any of his sequels..........you can't please everyone.......that's just part of the business of making a movie........
Well said. :up:

[Lightning54SC]

well....for the record, I think both Showtime and Maze are class acts!

as for this whole delay thing.......obviously, I would be very happy if WB went a different direction.

but.....if they don't........doesn't matter much.......IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD..............and no one's forcing me to see the sequel either.......

Singer didn't impress me with SR, therefore I'm not too enthused about any of his sequels..........you can't please everyone.......that's just part of the business of making a movie........

right behind you on every word written... i just hate how all the fanboys cry and stand up for the movie sooooo much i mean seriously im aloud to have an opinion right? its my god given right to have one.... which i why i only read voer at BT cuz there are just too damn hostle over there...

[Metropolis_Man]

well....for the record, I think both Showtime and Maze are class acts!

as for this whole delay thing.......obviously, I would be very happy if WB went a different direction.

but.....if they don't........doesn't matter much.......IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD..............and no one's forcing me to see the sequel either.......

Singer didn't impress me with SR, therefore I'm not too enthused about any of his sequels..........you can't please everyone.......that's just part of the business of making a movie........

Yeah, no matter what, not everyone will be pleased with certain aspects of these comic to film adaptations. There are a number of things I'd like to change about Singers version, but I really enjoyed it at the same time. I'm not going to pull my pants down and go streaking through the mall just because they did something to Superman on film I didn't like.

[Lightning54SC]

go streaking through the mall just because they did something to Superman on film I didn't like.

that woudl be more of a singer fanboy thing to do :oldrazz:

[ultimatefan]

What would they be working on? A script? Right now, nothing is happening with the movie as Singer is working on a WWII thriller with United Artists. Not Superman Returns 2. That is a fact.

In a recent interview, one of the writers - Harris or Dougherty, don´t remember now - confirmed they were developing the story. This guy talking on the main page confirms work is being done on the sequel and Singer is gonna shoot a much smaller movie in summer, which leaves plenty of room to start the SR sequel on march next year. Nolan directed The Prestige between BB and TDK and it remains scheduled for 2008. There´s a signed deal between the director and studio, people from cast and crew are often talking about the sequel and even the studio CEO confirmed the movie was successful and the studio is aiming a 2009 sequel. That´s plenty of facts right there.

[GreenKToo]

In the immortal words of JcDc, I just want a damn superman film, no matter if its singer, or the wach. bros.

[thedarks0ldier]

In a recent interview, one of the writers - Harris or Dougherty, don´t remember now - confirmed they were developing the story. This guy talking on the main page confirms work is being done on the sequel and Singer is gonna shoot a much smaller movie in summer, which leaves plenty of room to start the SR sequel on march next year. Nolan directed The Prestige between BB and TDK and it remains scheduled for 2008. There´s a signed deal between the director and studio, people from cast and crew are often talking about the sequel and even the studio CEO confirmed the movie was successful and the studio is aiming a 2009 sequel. That´s plenty of facts right there.

Indeed. It seems so hard for some people to understand that despite being a disapointment the film is not a failure. There is a greater chance of this movie happening at this point then there is of it being canned. I think some people look for any pothole in the road and try to turn it into a grave.

[Metropolis_Man]

that woudl be more of a singer fanboy thing to do :oldrazz:

Ha! To each his own, I say. :o If they started calling Clark, "Bark Bent" then I might have a little more to complain about.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm dizzy with so much spin lol,right now i am guessing there must be some internal debate at WB i don't think anything so far is cut and dry.

Agreed.

They have to say something. No studio wants to paint the picture of internal chaos or even flux in decision-making. They will say what needs to be said to keep the media and fanboy community "optimistic"...it's clear that they've learned from the debacles involving McG, Ratner, etc.

A lot can happen in a year's time. Personally, I honestly don't care who directs it as long as the final product released is a genuinely entertaining, exciting CBM (Translation: The sequel must be lightyears away in spirit from SR in my opinion). I just don't believe Bryan Singer can deliver this with this particular comic character.

[ultimatefan]

Agreed.

They have to say something. No studio wants to paint the picture of internal chaos or even flux in decision-making. They will say what needs to be said to keep the media and fanboy community "optimistic"...it's clear that they've learned from the debacles involving McG, Ratner, etc.

A lot can happen in a year's time. Personally, I honestly don't care who directs it as long as the final product released is a genuinely entertaining, exciting CBM (Translation: The sequel must be lightyears away in spirit from SR in my opinion). I just don't believe Bryan Singer can deliver this with this particular comic character.

In theory, guys, ANYTHING can happen between here an a year, with the SR sequel or anything else in the world. The thing is, there isn´t right now consistent infoirmation to indicate the sequel won´t get made or will get indefinitely post-poned, other than a lot of wishful thinking from the movie´s detractors. Even a Justice League movie will depend on the Superman character as much as it doesn on Batman, and Batman is getting a sequel as we speak, not to mention the WW movie that seems to be going ahead. There is plenty of information indicating the sequel is moving ahead and will start shooting early next year. Like I said, in theory anything can happen, but given all the facts so far WB proceeding with the sequel still is by far the safest bet.

[Lightning54SC]

Agreed.

They have to say something. No studio wants to paint the picture of internal chaos or even flux in decision-making. They will say what needs to be said to keep the media and fanboy community "optimistic"...it's clear that they've learned from the debacles involving McG, Ratner, etc.

A lot can happen in a year's time. Personally, I honestly don't care who directs it as long as the final product released is a genuinely entertaining, exciting CBM (Translation: The sequel must be lightyears away in spirit from SR in my opinion). I just don't believe Bryan Singer can deliver this with this particular comic character.

love your screen name and i totally agree with your opinion

[GreenKToo]

a little more info. post # 274
http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=22887&page=19

[ultimatefan]

Indeed. It seems so hard for some people to understand that despite being a disapointment the film is not a failure. There is a greater chance of this movie happening at this point then there is of it being canned. I think some people look for any pothole in the road and try to turn it into a grave.

And what they also don´t realize is Singer learning from his SR experience and making a better sequel is right now the best shot at them getting a movie closer to what they want... and he has already pointed in that direction: tighter, more action, more fights, a villain from comics that hasn´t been used yet. If WB cans the Singer sequel, this means simply getting back to square one and development hell, where the project is likely to stay this time for even longer than before. The studio truly believes they found the right direction with Singer after years and years of failed attempts. If this sequel wasn´t going ahead, would be the last Superman movie for a long, long time.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

a little more info. post # 274
http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=22887&page=19

Excellent, i'm fully confident we'll get our SR sequel in '09 now.

[ultimatefan]

a little more info. post # 274
http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=22887&page=19

Thank you, here´s a quote:

"Alex DeLarge
Folks,

The source of all this consternation, the Michael Fleming VARIETY article about Bryan's WWII movie, stated the Superman Returns sequel would have to be pushed back.

This was speculation on Mr. Fleming's part. Bryan's WWII feature will begin filming on or around July 15th so as to accomodate the Superman sequel. The WWII film is designed to be shot quick and bring Bryan back to his USUAL SUSPECTS roots, including reteaming with Academy Award-winning writer Chris McQuarrie.

Bryan has ALREADY signed his deal to direct the Sequel. I know this because I videotaped him doing so. The Wachowski brothers are currently making SPEED RACER and have no involvement with the film.

I can't believe someone with a James T. Kirk avatar (can you tell me what season that photo is from...because I can...) would have the audicity to question ME!!! I mean, seriously, haven't you seen FREE ENTERPRISE, the feature I wrote and directed? Get the 2 disc Anchor Bay DVD or watch it on Showtime (It was airing this morning... so it'll probably be on later today sometime).

I've posted on BlueTights because this is the unofficial official site for all things Singer Superman related. Has been for YEARS now. I never post anywhere else (aside from own own website www.ludovicotechnique.com or my MySpace page). Justin does a terrific job here and for the most part, the posters are great (but where is LEXLIVES?). I'm certainly not paid to be here.

Now... keep those questions coming!!!

[jj9126]

The other thing that I really think could end up determining what happens is the budget.

- WB has gone on record in saying that the budget will be significantly
lower than the first installment. Most analysts / those in the know believe it will be a number closer to 100-125 (which is exactly where the first film should have been).

- How often does an existing franchise director agree to helm an sequel with 80-100 million less to work with? Seriously, are there any examples in modern big budget filmmaking history?

- Zack Snyder's 300 (also from WB) has grossed 127 million in a week. It cost 1/4 of Superman Return's Budget. It's all-but-certain to pass SR domestically. Yet, the studio is fighting the director tooth and nail on the budget for his next picture. If they're going to be stingy with their golden-boy-of-the-moment, how are they going to be in negotiations with Singer?

[Venom'sDad]

I for one will be certainly glad when WB step up to the plate and put an end to all the BS that is flowing around here. :dry:

[raybia]

I don't know if this has been posted but here it is.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Superman-Cancelled-For-Justice-League-4713.html

[GreenKToo]

i'm leaning that way, but still cautious because studios can change their minds at the drop of a hat. It does sound good though.Excellent, i'm fully confident we'll get our SR sequel in '09 now.

[Lightning54SC]

illegal otrrnet downloading here i come... the sequel will not get 1 cent of my money...if someone wants to pay for me to see it then fine.. otherwise The Dark Knight is my main man until they reboot or drop singer liek a bad habit

[VenomsMom]

Whoa....optimism for Superman appears to be waning,Lexlives is picking up steam.