The Official Start/Release Date & Location Thread

[Showtime]

I am pretty sure that Harris was already outlining the script as far as last fall after the announcement was made at Comic Con by Singer that he would being Going Wrath of Khan on the sequel. Now I think Dougherty is starting the process or in mid-process of writing the sequel.

Everybody stay calm.

[merced]

I am pretty sure that Harris was already outlining the script as far as last fall after the announcement was made at Comic Con by Singer that he would being Going Wrath of Khan on the sequel. Now I think Dougherty is starting the process or in mid-process of writing the sequel.

Everybody stay calm.

I may be wrong. I thought the script was supposed to be done by now. Timing seems pushed back. Spacey story said Singer pitched plot ideas to WB. Confused me. Is Singer waiting for a go ahead for a concept by WB then they'll try to write it?

[BareKnucklez]

I should have known you were a Democrat. :cwink:


Actually I'm a independent... Seriously both parties are evil! Pick your poison man their both going to lead us to nothing good.
But I do believe that Bush stole the election from Gore... Just look at all the facts, and it's pretty clear.

[superbaby]

I may be wrong. I thought the script was supposed to be done by now. Timing seems pushed back. Spacey story said Singer pitched plot ideas to WB. Confused me. Is Singer waiting for a go ahead for a concept by WB then they'll try to write it?
ya, why should it take that looooooooooong to finish a first draft of the script? they are prof. they can do it within a month. and then the draft will get further revision and betterment.
btw, has the first draft being presented?

[Retroman]

As you guys may know Singer's World War 2 movie started filming last week.According to Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117968658.html?categoryId=2062&cs=1) it's a 70-day shoot. So things should be wrapped up by September/October.

[Excel]

We'll find out soon enough...Supes will be in a movie for 2009, so well find out soon.

[TheComicbookKid]

As you guys may know Singer's World War 2 movie started filming last week.According to Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117968658.html?categoryId=2062&cs=1) it's a 70-day shoot. So things should be wrapped up by September/October.

The Mayor of Castro St. starts in November I believe, at least preproduction. Singer does that December -February, maybe. That should leave March through June to tool around with Supes2 if it's greenlit, Valkeryie editing, and Castro editing.

[matrix_ghost]

The Mayor of Castro St. starts in November I believe, at least preproduction. Singer does that December -February, maybe. That should leave March through June to tool around with Supes2 if it's greenlit, Valkeryie editing, and Castro editing.

I still can't buy the fact that SInger is going handle 2 movies before beginning work on Supes , if at least we are to believe that everything is going as planned with the supes sequel.
If singer finishes work on Valkyrie , he'll have to handle post-prod. to deliver it for it's 8-8-08' release date.
With big VFX driven project like Superman , pre-prod. starts almost two years before the movie comes out.
So we are to believe that Singer will 1) handle post. prod. on Valkyrie , 2) begin pre-prod. and shooting and post. prod. on Mayor of Castro Street , 3) also handle pre-prod.on the superman movie .

Wow even Steven Spielberg wasn't able to handle that. when he shot Schindler's List and Jur. Park back-to-back and again with WOTW and Munich.
I just can't buy that Singer will be able to handle two project before the sequel.

[TheComicbookKid]

For me, the term Singer doesn't mean just Singer. He has a team of people he's comfortable with, Chris Lee, Ottman, Guy Dyas, etc. They've already done a lot of the research in SR, so it's a matter of the villain and his sets and costume. I'm not even going to pretend to know United Artist deal, but I guess Singer will be involved in editing and scoring. In the digital age, it's a lot easier to be multi-task.


Of course, this all under the assumption SR2 happens.:woot:

[matrix_ghost]

For me, the term Singer doesn't mean just Singer. He has a team of people he's comfortable with, Chris Lee, Ottman, Guy Dyas, etc. They've already done a lot of the research in SR, so it's a matter of the villain and his sets and costume. I'm not even going to pretend to know United Artist deal, but I guess Singer will be involved in editing and scoring. In the digital age, it's a lot easier to be multi-task.


Of course, this all under the assumption SR2 happens.:woot:

Of course he's not doing this alone. He has his team just lik any director. But the guy needs to be there to over see things. He needs to involved in the editing process , he needs to be involved in the scoring. He needs to give the VFX people approval of shots etc.

If we are to believe that everything is going as planned and singer will do Valkyrie and Mayor and then Supes , here's how the will probably go
1 Shooting has already begun on Valkyrie. Singer shoots the movie while at the same time his team of Mayor is beginning pre-prod.
Because he is in Germany the Mayor-team will either be with him in Germany or they'll set up a high-speed internet connection and SInger can talk with them .
2 Singer finishes shooting on Valkyrie and begins post-prod.
At the same time he gets starts to get ready to begin filming on Castro Street. By this time the superman script will most likely be approved by WB so they'll begin prep on that as well.
Question :
Explain to me how he can A) be busy with post. on Valkyrie , spec. during the editing and scoring sessions , B) also begin filming Mayor , C) begin prep. on superman sequel.
3 If everything goes as planned ,singer will probably finish work on Valkyrie two months before release. Usually with these big projects work continues right till the last moment meaning that Singer would finish up on Valkyrie between June-July. of '08.
At the same time he'll be begin post on Mayor while still finishing up on prep. with the sequel.
And again he will needs to be there when prepping the sequel . He needs to give approval to the costume departement , discuss early VFX tests , do the animatics etc.
Question :
Explain to me again how Singer is going to post. on two separate movies while at the same time doing doing and/or finishing prep. on the sequel.


Don't take this as an attack towards singer. I just don't see this happening realisitcally speaking. Two movies can be handled by a director but not 3 movies.
Maybe , just maybe Singer might to handle. post. prod. on Mayor IF he begins shooting the superman sequel.
But again from a realistic POV it just wouldn't work to handle two project at the same time .
I'll use Spielberg again as an example. With Jur. Park he wasn't even involved with the post. prod.. Lucas was doing it. And when Spielberg made WOTW and Munich in '05 he first did WOTW and only when the movie came out did he begin prod. on Munich.

If singer wants to make Mayor , i doubt he will be making it before prep on the superman sequel.
If he can do it , great for him. I'd like to see that but so far i just don't see it happening.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

ya, why should it take that looooooooooong to finish a first draft of the script? they are prof. they can do it within a month. and then the draft will get further revision and betterment.
btw, has the first draft being presented?

Maybe they are taking time with the script to make sure its good so that people like you will like the sequel. Ever think about that :yay: .

I still can't buy the fact that SInger is going handle 2 movies before beginning work on Supes , if at least we are to believe that everything is going as planned with the supes sequel.
If singer finishes work on Valkyrie , he'll have to handle post-prod. to deliver it for it's 8-8-08' release date.
With big VFX driven project like Superman , pre-prod. starts almost two years before the movie comes out.
So we are to believe that Singer will 1) handle post. prod. on Valkyrie , 2) begin pre-prod. and shooting and post. prod. on Mayor of Castro Street , 3) also handle pre-prod.on the superman movie .

Wow even Steven Spielberg wasn't able to handle that. when he shot Schindler's List and Jur. Park back-to-back and again with WOTW and Munich.
I just can't buy that Singer will be able to handle two project before the sequel.

Valkryie wont need much post production IMO, its not an effects movie.

[matrix_ghost]

Maybe they are taking time with the script to make sure its good so that people like you will like the sequel. Ever think about that :yay: .



Valkryie wont need much post production IMO, its not an effects movie.

Well we don't know just what kind of VFX they'll use for Valkyrie. And they will use visual effects. But even then , early estimates for finishing up on Valkyrie would be June.

[Retroman]

The Mayor of Castro St. starts in November I believe, at least preproduction. Singer does that December -February, maybe. That should leave March through June to tool around with Supes2 if it's greenlit, Valkeryie editing, and Castro editing.
If WB approves SR2 i doubt Singer will start Castro Street in November.He's not Superman you know.:p

On a side note: Dan Harris' movie I, Lucifer is currently getting financing re-arranged (http://www.britfilms.com/britishfilms/inprogress/?s=lucifer) and according to imdb.com (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0444646/) it will start production in November.If that's the case then that would probably mean that he'll have to recast the lead role since Daniel Craig starts shooting the next Bond in December.:(

[TheComicbookKid]

Where do find this stuff?:yay: You must be Brainiac connected to the internet.


Yeah, Singer does need to sleep at some point.

[Retroman]

Where do find this stuff?:yay: You must be Brainiac connected to the internet.
Naah it's not that bad.:woot:
Yeah, Singer does need to sleep at some point.
Yeah totally or he'll risk burnout.

[Thunder Emperor]

As you guys may know Singer's World War 2 movie started filming last week.According to Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117968658.html?categoryId=2062&cs=1) it's a 70-day shoot. So things should be wrapped up by September/October.

there is still post-production you know.

[TheComicbookKid]

It's not an effects heavy movie, so most of that will involve editing and the music right? What else does the process involve?

[matrix_ghost]

there is still post-production you know.

He was referring to the shoot , LOL :woot: :oldrazz:

[matrix_ghost]

It's not an effects heavy movie, so most of that will involve editing and the music right? What else does the process involve?

1) While this movie may not be an FX heavy movie , i still think you'll see some VFx work done in the movie. Buildings being replaced , set extensions etc. As a movie director you need to be involved in that process.
2) Post. Prod. involves first editing your flick . Deliver shots to the VFX department. You have to wait till the reels are finished and delivered after which you again start the editing process to smooth everything out.
Once that's done they'll being work on the score and creating sound effects etc. I don't think the director is present during the soud effects sessions but he is definately there for the music score. He'll drop in on the sound departement once or twice to see how things are progressing and if certain things need to be changed . Once that is finished the final mixing takes place. And then you release your movie .

[TheComicbookKid]

1) While this movie may not be an FX heavy movie , i still think you'll see some VFx work done in the movie. Buildings being replaced , set extensions etc. As a movie director you need to be involved in that process.
2) Post. Prod. involves first editing your flick . Deliver shots to the VFX department. You have to wait till the reels are finished and delivered after which you again start the editing process to smooth everything out.
Once that's done they'll being work on the score and creating sound effects etc. I don't think the director is present during the soud effects sessions but he is definately there for the music score. He'll drop in on the sound departement once or twice to see how things are progressing and if certain things need to be changed . Once that is finished the final mixing takes place. And then you release your movie .

I figured as much. Singer can start Castro Street(which will probably film in San Francisco) so he can check the process of Valkeryie and do Castro before the possible SR shoot in June or July, imho.

[matrix_ghost]

I figured as much. Singer can start Castro Street(which will probably film in San Francisco) so he can check the process of Valkeryie and do Castro before the possible SR shoot in June or July, imho.

I wish i could share your optimism that Singer can handle shooting and post. prod. on 2 movies before beginning work on superman. I really would :csad:

[matrix_ghost]

On a side note: Dan Harris' movie I, Lucifer is currently getting financing re-arranged (http://www.britfilms.com/britishfilms/inprogress/?s=lucifer) and according to imdb.com (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0444646/) it will start production in November.If that's the case then that would probably mean that he'll have to recast the lead role since Daniel Craig starts shooting the next Bond in December.:(

GODDAMMIIIIT !!!!!!!!
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[Kryptonian Warrior]

Could ya please cut down on the profanity? Thank you.

[superbaby]

as singer are doing other 2 movies, i feel that the chances of singer's SR 2 is getting slimmer and slimmer with everyday past.

[superbaby]

Maybe they are taking time with the script to make sure its good so that people like you will like the sequel. Ever think about that :yay: .

if you're writing a script and you never show anyone, you will never know if you're heading the right way. and most of the time, it could be really bad.

example: singer only shown SR to his relatives/cronies before further tooning. :whatever:

[Excel]

We all know the reaosn RETURNS failed was due to poor release date, well, most of us :p and I was checking a 2009 calendar...and I do believe I found the perfect date.

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 2009.

w.b. CLAIM. IT. NOW!

1. It jives with reports Singer cant get it ready for summer 2009...so push it back to Holidays.

2. Superman 2 will NEED the box office legs (holidays give it and summer wont) to be a success.

3. Set up is PERFECT! Christmas day is its 2nd Friday, which would mean huge 2nd weekend in addition to big holiday weekdays and a big "frontloaded" opening weekend...then new years day is the following friday, thus ensuring another huge weekend and huge set of weekdays before!

it is, literally, pefect!

[nightcrawler29]

ya but have they even started filming yet

[Excel]

no...thats why i picked one thats 2 1/2 years away.

[nightcrawler29]

ya but for it to be good its gonna need alot of time in post production

[Mr. Socko]

I doubt think they'd release it in the winter, and I just dun see the them makin' a Summer '09 release either. Now I'll say Summer '10.

[Mr. Socko]

edit dp

[Mr. Socko]

omg stupid triple post. damn cpu :cmad:

[nightcrawler29]

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[nightcrawler29]

When do they plan on starting filming

[superbaby]

We all know the reaosn RETURNS failed was due to poor release date, well, most of us :p and I was checking a 2009 calendar...and I do believe I found the perfect date.

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 2009.

w.b. CLAIM. IT. NOW!

1. It jives with reports Singer cant get it ready for summer 2009...so push it back to Holidays.

2. Superman 2 will NEED the box office legs (holidays give it and summer wont) to be a success.

3. Set up is PERFECT! Christmas day is its 2nd Friday, which would mean huge 2nd weekend in addition to big holiday weekdays and a big "frontloaded" opening weekend...then new years day is the following friday, thus ensuring another huge weekend and huge set of weekdays before!

it is, literally, pefect!
you blamed on the release date for SR's disappointment performance???
if WB is like you, never really look into the real problems of SR, the sequal will sure be a huge failure.

[Rob-el]

So I guess all WB had to do was take another date and SR would have doen better BO? Why? I know Pirates did great BO but look at this year. Three movies have already made over $300 million (Spidey 3, Shrek 3 and Pirates 3)with at least one (Transformers) and possibly a fith (Potter) joing the $300 million club. All released with a couple of months of each other. Bottom line is if you build it they will come - in swarms to multiple movies - if the public wants to see it. The release date was not the problem with SR. Let's face facts and learn from this and stop making excuses for the limited Box Office it did.

[Excel]

^dude, supes vs. pirates 2 was nothing like those. Its not if you build it they come.

The 3 flicks that made 300 million were all the 2nd sequels of huge franchises; superman wasn't even a sequel; let alone to a huge franchise. Put Transformers in Shreks spot, and it doesnt top 225 million.

Plus...none of them made close to what pirates made (430 million)....

[Rob-el]

^dude, supes vs. pirates 2 was nothing like those. Its not if you build it they come.

The 3 flicks that made 300 million were all the 2nd sequels of huge franchises; superman wasn't even a sequel; let alone to a huge franchise. Put Transformers in Shreks spot, and it doesnt top 225 million.

Plus...none of them made close to what pirates made (430 million)....



Spider-man, Shrek and Pirates are all down from what the second in each in their series made but are still huge hits at over $300 million. The point is there is enough $$$ out there to allow for multiple smashes ($300 million +) regardless of release dates. I can't prove you're wrong about Transformers simply because the facts are what we do know so you could present any alternate series of events to support your idea and I can't disprove it - the facts do support my contention though - there is enough Box Office $$$ out there and the public will give it over if they like your movie. In 2003 Spider-man (first in a series) netted $400 million plus while two weeks alter Star Wars:AOTC ( a dull movie by most accounts) netted $300 million plus. Both did well with release dates within two weeks of each other.

Let's also not forget this is Superman. This is a character that does have a lot of good will built up with the general public and is a very recognizable commoditity. SR had a relatively weak opening to begin with ($ 52 Million) to place it 53rd overall for best opening...

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/

The date it opened had nothing to do with its lack of pull in the theaters - it didn't do well on the weekend when it was the big game in town and went downhill from there.

I thought it was good (with major concerns) and I'm not out to slam SInger or the movie. I am hoping though that the lessons of the movie are learned and not swept under the rug under the lame guise of a poor release date. Great B.O performers make their release dates look smart - poor performers look for excuses - its that simple.

[Superfreak]

We all know the reaosn RETURNS failed was due to poor release date, well, most of us :p and I was checking a 2009 calendar...and I do believe I found the perfect date.

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 2009.

w.b. CLAIM. IT. NOW!

1. It jives with reports Singer cant get it ready for summer 2009...so push it back to Holidays.

2. Superman 2 will NEED the box office legs (holidays give it and summer wont) to be a success.

3. Set up is PERFECT! Christmas day is its 2nd Friday, which would mean huge 2nd weekend in addition to big holiday weekdays and a big "frontloaded" opening weekend...then new years day is the following friday, thus ensuring another huge weekend and huge set of weekdays before!

it is, literally, pefect!

too close to christmas... I would personally push it forward to late november. And here's a question: do movies ever open on friday's anymore? I thought the norm now was for movies to open on tuesdays or wednesdays to make their opening 'weekends' that much more successful looking?

[TheComicbookKid]

It's a little bit early for this thread, at least let the movie be greenlit before we start talking release dates.

Second, I love that scene from BattleStar, too cool!!!!!

[Mattchew]

man... there's actually been, so some degree, level-headed debate in this thread. if only we could get that going in other threads around here.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

We all know the reaosn RETURNS failed was due to poor release date, well, most of us :p and I was checking a 2009 calendar...and I do believe I found the perfect date.

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 2009.

w.b. CLAIM. IT. NOW!

1. It jives with reports Singer cant get it ready for summer 2009...so push it back to Holidays.

2. Superman 2 will NEED the box office legs (holidays give it and summer wont) to be a success.

3. Set up is PERFECT! Christmas day is its 2nd Friday, which would mean huge 2nd weekend in addition to big holiday weekdays and a big "frontloaded" opening weekend...then new years day is the following friday, thus ensuring another huge weekend and huge set of weekdays before!

it is, literally, pefect!I believe that to be an untrue statment made up by fanboys who like to ignore the fact that the movie "failed" because it featured nothing new or exciting.

[Excel]

I believe that to be an untrue statment made up by fanboys who like to ignore the fact that the movie "failed" because it featured nothing new or exciting.

Its a lot easier to say that...but had RETURNS had a better release date, it still coulda hit 500 million worldwide. The film itself was capible of a lot more than it did.

Sure, if theyd made it like Titanic, it coulda done 1 billiob + :rolleyes:

It aint that simple. Your looking for the reason that impacted RETURNS box office gross the mostand it was the release date. Any film would have dropped as much against that competition.

[Excel]

Spider-man, Shrek and Pirates are all down from what the second in each in their series made but are still huge hits at over $300 million. The point is there is enough $$$ out there to allow for multiple smashes ($300 million +) regardless of release dates. I can't prove you're wrong about Transformers simply because the facts are what we do know so you could present any alternate series of events to support your idea and I can't disprove it - the facts do support my contention though - there is enough Box Office $$$ out there and the public will give it over if they like your movie. In 2003 Spider-man (first in a series) netted $400 million plus while two weeks alter Star Wars:AOTC ( a dull movie by most accounts) netted $300 million plus. Both did well with release dates within two weeks of each other.

Let's also not forget this is Superman. This is a character that does have a lot of good will built up with the general public and is a very recognizable commoditity. SR had a relatively weak opening to begin with ($ 52 Million) to place it 53rd overall for best opening...

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/

The date it opened had nothing to do with its lack of pull in the theaters - it didn't do well on the weekend when it was the big game in town and went downhill from there.

I thought it was good (with major concerns) and I'm not out to slam SInger or the movie. I am hoping though that the lessons of the movie are learned and not swept under the rug under the lame guise of a poor release date. Great B.O performers make their release dates look smart - poor performers look for excuses - its that simple.

It opened fine...it wasnt a major breakout blockbuster, but it was not a dissappointment. Its opening week, at the time, was the 5th highest ever for a non sequel behind only Spiderman, Passion of Christ, Wotw, and Harry Potter 1.

It was looking good for 250 million until it dropped 60% because Pirates 2 took away virtually all of supes kiddie/action wanting/ roamnce loving audiences.

[matthooper]

It opened fine...it was a major breakout blockbuster, but it was not a dissappointment. Its opening week, at the time, was the 5th highest ever for a non sequel behind only Spiderman, Passion of Christ, Wotw, and Harry Potter 1.

It was looking good for 250 million until it dropped 60% because Pirates 2 took away virtually all of supes kiddie/action wanting/ roamnce loving audiences.

Are you joking? You can argue the level of box office dissapointment, but you can't argue that it was a dissapointment. Even the studio head admitted it was a dissapointment. The projections were $300 million domestic.

Stop deluding yourself. If you liked the movie that's great, but it has nothing to do with the box office failings. A week before it came out, if I told you that SR would make $200 million domestic, you'd say I was crazy. No one on earth thought SR would make just $200 million domestic.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Its a lot easier to say that...but had RETURNS had a better release date, it still coulda hit 500 million worldwide. The film itself was capible of a lot more than it did.

Sure, if theyd made it like Titanic, it coulda done 1 billiob + :rolleyes:

It aint that simple. Your looking for the reason that impacted RETURNS box office gross the mostand it was the release date. Any film would have dropped as much against that competition.You don't understand, I don't think the movie was a misuderstood smart masterpiece. I think that it suffered from poor characterzations and just plain bad storytelling and overall rehashed boredom.

I believe if we would have gotten the updated but still the same Superman with the directors vision and a supervillain thrown in the movie would have been a big hit POTC2 or no. If last summer had two 300million dollar movies and more 200million dollars movies I would be with you but it didn't. It's looking like five movies are going to gross 300mil this summer. If Superman was done right it would have opened much better and despite Pirates 2 would have made alot more because it's Superman! But people weren't fooled and WB didn't try to fool them, there was very little new about the film.

[Rob-el]

It opened fine...it was a major breakout blockbuster, but it was not a dissappointment. Its opening week, at the time, was the 5th highest ever for a non sequel behind only Spiderman, Passion of Christ, Wotw, and Harry Potter 1.

It was looking good for 250 million until it dropped 60% because Pirates 2 took away virtually all of supes kiddie/action wanting/ roamnce loving audiences.

It opened fine?

OPENING WEEKENDS


$50+ M - $40-50M - $30-40M - $25-30M - $20-25M

Rank Title (click to view) Studio Opening* % of Total Theaters Average Total Gross^ Date**
1 Spider-Man 3 Sony $151,116,516 45.0% 4,252 $35,540 $335,625,539 5/04/2007
2 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $135,634,554 32.0% 4,133 $32,817 $423,315,812 7/07/2006
3 Shrek the Third P/DW $121,629,270 38.1% 4,122 $29,507 $319,077,033 5/18/2007
4 Spider-Man Sony $114,844,116 28.4% 3,615 $31,768 $403,706,375 5/03/2002
5 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End BV $114,732,820 37.5% 4,362 $26,302 $306,263,273 5/25/2007
6 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $108,435,841 28.5% 3,661 $29,619 $380,270,577 5/19/2005
7 Shrek 2 DW $108,037,878 24.5% 4,163 $25,951 $441,226,247 5/19/2004
8 X-Men: The Last Stand Fox $102,750,665 43.8% 3,690 $27,845 $234,362,462 5/26/2006
9 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire WB $102,685,961 35.4% 3,858 $26,616 $290,013,036 11/18/2005
10 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban WB $93,687,367 37.5% 3,855 $24,302 $249,541,069 6/04/2004
11 The Matrix Reloaded WB $91,774,413 32.6% 3,603 $25,471 $281,576,461 5/15/2003
12 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone WB $90,294,621 28.4% 3,672 $24,590 $317,575,550 11/16/2001
13 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets WB $88,357,488 33.7% 3,682 $23,997 $261,988,482 11/15/2002
14 Spider-Man 2 Sony $88,156,227 23.6% 4,152 $21,232 $373,585,825 6/30/2004
15 X2: X-Men United Fox $85,558,731 39.8% 3,741 $22,870 $214,949,694 5/02/2003
16 The Passion of the Christ NM $83,848,082 22.6% 3,043 $27,554 $370,274,604 2/25/2004
17 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones Fox $80,027,814 26.5% 3,161 $25,317 $302,191,252 5/16/2002
18 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WB $77,108,414 35.5% 4,285 $17,994 $217,083,411 7/11/2007
19 The Da Vinci Code Sony $77,073,388 35.4% 3,735 $20,635 $217,536,138 5/19/2006
20 Austin Powers in Goldmember NL $73,071,188 34.3% 3,613 $20,224 $213,307,889 7/26/2002
21 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $72,629,713 19.3% 3,703 $19,613 $377,027,325 12/17/2003
22 The Lost World: Jurassic Park Uni. $72,132,785 31.5% 3,281 $21,985 $229,086,679 5/23/1997
23 300 WB $70,885,301 33.7% 3,103 $22,844 $210,614,939 3/09/2007
24 Transformers P/DW $70,502,384 26.3% 4,011 $17,577 $268,416,682 7/03/2007
25 The Incredibles BV $70,467,623 27.0% 3,933 $17,917 $261,441,092 11/05/2004
26 Finding Nemo BV $70,251,710 20.7% 3,374 $20,821 $339,714,978 5/30/2003
27 The Day After Tomorrow Fox $68,743,584 36.8% 3,425 $20,071 $186,740,799 5/28/2004
28 Planet of the Apes Fox $68,532,960 38.1% 3,500 $19,580 $180,011,740 7/27/2001
29 The Mummy Returns Uni. $68,139,035 33.7% 3,401 $20,035 $202,019,785 5/04/2001
30 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox $68,033,544 34.8% 3,964 $17,162 $195,330,621 3/31/2006
31 Bruce Almighty Uni. $67,953,330 28.0% 3,483 $19,510 $242,829,261 5/23/2003
32 Rush Hour 2 NL $67,408,222 29.8% 3,118 $21,619 $226,164,286 8/03/2001
33 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe BV $65,556,312 22.5% 3,616 $18,129 $291,710,957 12/09/2005
34 War of the Worlds Par. $64,878,725 27.7% 3,908 $16,601 $234,280,354 6/29/2005
35 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $64,820,970 15.0% 2,970 $21,825 $431,088,301 5/19/1999
36 Monsters, Inc. BV $62,577,067 24.5% 3,237 $19,331 $255,873,250 11/02/2001
37 Hulk Uni. $62,128,420 47.0% 3,660 $16,974 $132,177,234 6/20/2003
38 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers NL $62,007,528 18.2% 3,622 $17,119 $339,789,881 12/18/2002
39 Cars BV $60,119,509 24.6% 3,985 $15,086 $244,082,982 6/09/2006
40 Signs BV $60,117,080 26.4% 3,264 $18,418 $227,966,634 8/02/2002
41 Pearl Harbor BV $59,078,912 29.8% 3,214 $18,381 $198,542,554 5/25/2001
42 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Fox $58,051,684 45.0% 3,959 $14,663 $129,086,752 6/15/2007
43 Hannibal MGM $58,003,121 35.1% 3,230 $17,957 $165,092,268 2/09/2001
44 Mission: Impossible II Par. $57,845,297 26.9% 3,653 $15,835 $215,409,889 5/24/2000
45 Toy Story 2 BV $57,388,839 23.3% 3,236 $17,734 $245,852,179 11/24/1999
46 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory WB $56,178,450 27.2% 3,770 $14,901 $206,459,076 7/15/2005
47 Fantastic Four Fox $56,061,504 36.2% 3,602 $15,563 $154,696,080 7/08/2005
48 How the Grinch Stole Christmas Uni. $55,082,330 21.2% 3,127 $17,615 $260,044,825 11/17/2000
49 Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me NL $54,917,604 26.7% 3,312 $16,581 $206,040,086 6/11/1999
50 X-Men Fox $54,471,475 34.6% 3,025 $18,007 $157,299,717 7/14/2000
51 Scooby-Doo WB $54,155,312 35.3% 3,447 $15,710 $153,294,164 6/14/2002
52 Batman Forever WB $52,784,433 28.7% 2,842 $18,572 $184,031,112 6/16/1995
53 Superman Returns WB $52,535,096 26.3% 4,065 $12,923 $200,081,192 6/28/2006

...I don't agree. Look at the average/thater numbers - $12,923 - not strong numbers. (Scoobey Doo @ $15,710!) Again I say I'm not slamming the movie or Singer but we need to get our heads out of the sand, give them a good shake and asks some serious questions here!

[Qwerty©]

Let's not turn this into another stupid box office thread.

[matthooper]

Let's not turn this into another stupid box office thread.


It really can't turn into that because there is no discussion. It's fact. It was a dissapointment, there is no rational argument that it wasn't. When the studio head admits it, you really can't look any further.

The passion comes from people who love the film (which is fine) who simply refuse to accept that the numbers were dissapointing. Regardless of release dates, when Rush Hour 3, Signs, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, Meet The Fockers, and a host of other crappy films make more that Superman, something is seriously wrong.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So I guess all WB had to do was take another date and SR would have doen better BO? Why? I know Pirates did great BO but look at this year. Three movies have already made over $300 million (Spidey 3, Shrek 3 and Pirates 3)with at least one (Transformers) and possibly a fith (Potter) joing the $300 million club. All released with a couple of months of each other. Bottom line is if you build it they will come - in swarms to multiple movies - if the public wants to see it. The release date was not the problem with SR. Let's face facts and learn from this and stop making excuses for the limited Box Office it did.

Dude, FOUR of those were sequels to already immensely successful franchises, SR was the first in a new franchise, it simply couldnt compete with those four no matter what. Transformers i'll give you, but i knew that would successful.

[Rob-el]

Dude, FOUR of those were sequels to already immensely successful franchises, SR was the first in a new franchise, it simply couldnt compete with those four no matter what. Transformers i'll give you, but i knew that would successful.

I think I addressed your points in a previous post!

[Rob-el]

Let's not turn this into another stupid box office thread.

Given the topic and arguments raised, posting the opening stats for the movie hardly qualify as "stupid". They are valid facts that need to be presented and understood. They may seem stupid to those who are not comfortable with them (I have no idea what your opionions are on the movie so this may or may not apply to you!) but they are facts. Lets use them to work towards correcting that what needs correction so that the next set of numbers won't leave us in the situation we are in today...Over a year after the movie was released and no idea if another one is going to be made.

[Rob-el]

Dude, FOUR of those were sequels to already immensely successful franchises, SR was the first in a new franchise, it simply couldnt compete with those four no matter what. Transformers i'll give you, but i knew that would successful.

Further to my point the original Superman (a first in the franchise ) did post numbers equal (adjusted for inflation) to the numbers those movies posted. This is Superman - a very well known name and commodity. Hell its was that brand name that made SR hit the numbers that it did in spite of the collective indifference the general public showed about this movie. Again I'm not slamming the movie - I'm looking at what needs to be done to help the character regain its rightful place in this genre - number 1 - no matter what is being judged!!!

[Excel]

Dude it opened on a Wednesday. But it had weekend days or holidays its first 7; this is a more accurate chart.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/grossbydays.htm?days=7&p=.htm

Superman is 25th with 108 million (it says 105 because they added the dailies wrong), upon release it was 20th. See Batman Begins, way down at 48th? Notice though...only 5 of the films infront of Superman arent sequels. You cant compare Supermans opening to sequels, you just cannot. Their box office runs are almost always complete different while very predictable. Sequels OPEN BIG and then drop. Non sequels-like Superman-open ALRIGHT but less then sequels- and have better legs then sequels do.

Only 5 non sequels beat Superman, and the average gross of those 5 films is 324 million. Thats why I say it opened fine. Had it gotten the legs most non sequels gotten, it would totaled over 260 million+, which is more then the expectation, which was atleast 250 million in the U.S. But it couldn't get them due to a combo of

1. Wasnt the film people wanted
2. Pirates 2

Singers film, without Pirates 2, would have totaled in the ballpark of 230-240 million.

-Batman Begins opening week-to-total multiplier was 2.42 (205/84).
-War of the worlds opening week to total multilpier was 1.95
-Spidermans was 2.35

Given Superman Returns average drop per weekend was 24% and its incredible August legs from Imax, i'd say it would have gotten between a 2.1 and a 2.2; or between 226 million and 238 million.

It Failed expectations by about 12-24 million.

Singers film, with Pirates 2, totaled exactly 200 million.

It failed expectations by 50 million.

50 million is bigger then 12-24 million, guys.

Dissappointment either way. If they can fix both, a gross between 260 - 280 is defiently in store for Supes 2, maybe even 300 if they really get it together.

But only If.

[Rob-el]

Dude it opened on a Wednesday. But it had weekend days or holidays its first 7; this is a more accurate chart.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/grossbydays.htm?days=7&p=.htm

Superman is 25th with 108 million (it says 105 because they added the dailies wrong), upon release it was 20th. See Batman Begins, way down at 48th? Notice though...only 5 of the films infront of Superman arent sequels. You cant compare Supermans opening to sequels, you just cannot. Their box office runs are almost always complete different while very predictable. Sequels OPEN BIG and then drop. Non sequels-like Superman-open ALRIGHT but less then sequels- and have better legs then sequels do.

Only 5 non sequels beat Superman, and the average gross of those 5 films is 324 million. Thats why I say it opened fine. Had it gotten the legs most non sequels gotten, it would totaled over 260 million+, which is more then the expectation, which was atleast 250 million in the U.S. But it couldn't get them due to a combo of

1. Wasnt the film people wanted
2. Pirates 2

Singers film, without Pirates 2, would have totaled in the ballpark of 230-240 million.

-Batman Begins opening week-to-total multiplier was 2.42 (205/84).
-War of the worlds opening week to total multilpier was 1.95
-Spidermans was 2.35

Given Superman Returns average drop per weekend was 24% and its incredible August legs from Imax, i'd say it would have gotten between a 2.1 and a 2.2; or between 226 million and 238 million.

It Failed expectations by about 12-24 million.

Singers film, with Pirates 2, totaled exactly 200 million.

It failed expectations by 50 million.

50 million is bigger then 12-24 million, guys.

Dissappointment either way. If they can fix both, a gross between 260 - 280 is defiently in store for Supes 2, maybe even 300 if they really get it together.

But only If.

Rationalize all you want the impact of Pirates but bottom line even 25th was a big disappointment. I know when I read the initital returns discriptions were "good" but not "stellar" and this was menetioned in the articles. The expecations were set at "stellar" If this movie was what the public wanted and had good word of mouth it would have hit at least $300 million (to do so it would have had to perform 50% better than it did - this says volumes!)-which is the minimum WB expected from it. Any movie that has good word of mouth will overcome the competion that it is up against and find its own audience - this movie failed to do that and that is what needs to be examined to ensure any future movie will succeed. Yes it did have legs at IMAX and we need to recognize this - but also recognize that IMAX was offereing 3-D scenes that were never seen before. This movie was not a success no matter how much people want to subjectively declare it to be. Move on from denial and let's focus energies in onto what needs to be done so that this is the movie to see -which SR was not as results have shown.

[Excel]

lol nobody in their right mind expected a minimum of 300 million domestic

[bgshw44]

i did. look at transformers, 300 million, and I think superman is more popular. they need to take those elements i.e a movie for the whole family, great action and special effecrs as well as a good story and you can easily have a superman movie goss north of 300 million

[Rob-el]

lol nobody in their right mind expected a minimum of 300 million domestic

So you figure WB green lit a budget of $200 million plus without the expectaion that the film would do at least $300 million domestically? Come conscious son! Then again maybe that explains why you 're not as concerned about working out the problems with SR except a release date screw up and think it opened fine - you think it basically hit the finacial marks expected of it. There were expectations that this, the return of Superman the grand daddy of all superheroes to the big screen would do $300 million - guaranteed! And no I cannot not prove it but you do the business math - its pretty easy (yes overseas, ties in, etc all taken into account!)

[superbaby]

lol nobody in their right mind expected a minimum of 300 million domestic
before sr came out, did you honestly expect that it would only make $200mil?
nobody in their right mind expected sr couldn't make 300mil domestic.

[dpm07]

The release date of Superman Returns didn't have anything to do with it's lackluster performance. That's pure poppycock.

Transformers was released at approximately the same time as Superman Returns, and was not a sequel. That movie has performed much better to the general public. Primarily, because Michael Bay knows how to direct a great action movie that can make the masses come out, and Singer couldn't do that with Superman Returns.

The ingredients for a great film were there with the character. However, Singer's storyline dropped the ball, and many fans suffered through what was a lackluster and soulless film.

Transformers was visually amazing. Bay's style resonates with the public. If Singer had done Superman visually in the same manner, dropped the kid element, had a major supervillain/superhero showdown, not repeated so many of the Donner elements, and had a Luthor with Luthorcorp, or a Luthor doing something other than real estate, the movie would likely have performed better, and audiences would not be so divided.

[Rob-el]

lol nobody in their right mind expected a minimum of 300 million domestic

Here's a good read on SR's box office before Pirates came out. The release date was not the problem with this movie - it strated under performing from day 1...

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1209978,00.html

Box Office Report
Disappointing 'Returns'
Joshua Rich's report: The three-day and five-day totals for Bryan Singer's ''Superman'' don't live up to expectations

KATE BOSWORTH AND BRANDON ROUTH IN SUPERMAN RETURNS

By Joshua Rich Joshua Rich
Joshua Rich is a staff editor for EW.com

It was another one of those weekends at the box office when forecasters got duped, studios started spinning, and the big numbers weren't nearly as impressive as they appear. After opening with $21 million on Wednesday, Superman Returns grossed $52.2 mil over the three-day weekend, according to Sunday's estimates. Its cumulative take going into the Independence Day holiday now stands at $84.2 mil. To be sure, $84.2 mil is nothing to sneeze at — unless, of course, you consider all the hype and expectations that accompanied this movie. Oh, and the fact that the flick is said to have cost Warner Bros. upwards of $300 mil. But I won't go there just yet. I will say, however, that I think you should feel a bit sorry, dear reader and moviegoer. Shame, shame, shame. Because if more of you had gone to see Supes over the weekend, then I wouldn't have to sit here and spend time explaining how his premiere is a disappointment.

Certainly, there is some good news to report. The $52.2 mil three-day take beats out Batman Begins' $48.7 mil debut last year. And... hmm, I'm trying to come up with something else on the bright side. Can't think of much more, really. You could say that the movie's B+ CinemaScore review from audiences is nice, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not great and it doesn't foretell much repeat business.

Things go downhill from there. Superman Returns' five-day total is merely the 28th best ever. Looking at its three-day figure, among both summer bows and all-time premieres, Superman Returns doesn't even land in the top 10. Director Bryan Singer enjoyed stronger first weekends with both of the X-Men movies he cobbled together. This year alone, Cars, X-Men: The Last Stand, The Da Vinci Code, and Ice Age: The Meltdown all debuted better. And here's a sampling of some less-than-memorable fare with superior openings: Fantastic Four, Pearl Harbor, The Mummy Returns, The Hulk, and Scooby-Doo. Now, does that mean that people were more eager to see Scooby than Supes? Probably not. To be fair to Warner Bros., there are a lot of ''yeah, buts'' here. Critics love the movie. Its three-day number is diluted because many folks went to see it before the weekend began. There's that hefty $84.2 mil five-day number. We're really dealing with a highly unusual seven-day weekend here, since the film opened on Wednesday and most people are vacationing through July 4th, and by then the figure should be more than $100 mil. And so on. Then again, Superman Returns was supposed to be, like, the biggest movie of the summer, and when you start thinking about how it probably needs to earn more than $600 mil worldwide to break even, well, that now seems like an even taller building to leap in a single bound.

[Excel]

having the potential to do 300 million and being expected to do 300 million are 2 totally different things, guys.

[Mr. Socko]

Superman should always come out in the summer!

[Rob-el]

having the potential to do 300 million and being expected to do 300 million are 2 totally different things, guys.

...and Superman has (had?:csad:) the potential to do $300 Million and it was most certainly expected to do $300 million! And hopefully we will have an opportunity to see it hit that number again (like STM did - adjusted)!

[superbaby]

The release date of Superman Returns didn't have anything to do with it's lackluster performance. That's pure poppycock.

Transformers was released at approximately the same time as Superman Returns, and was not a sequel. That movie has performed much better to the general public. Primarily, because Michael Bay knows how to direct a great action movie that can make the masses come out, and Singer couldn't do that with Superman Returns.

The ingredients for a great film were there with the character. However, Singer's storyline dropped the ball, and many fans suffered through what was a lackluster and soulless film.

Transformers was visually amazing. Bay's style resonates with the public. If Singer had done Superman visually in the same manner, dropped the kid element, had a major supervillain/superhero showdown, not repeated so many of the Donner elements, and had a Luthor with Luthorcorp, or a Luthor doing something other than real estate, the movie would likely have performed better, and audiences would not be so divided.
it will not be a singer's superman movie then.

btw, i totally agree with you, if they just give what we expecting to get, the movie will perform a lot better. however, directors like singer, they love to surprise us, they hate to do the norm and alway try the new perspective. it is just an unfortunate that superman is too iconic for him to mess him up and reconstruct again.

[Showtime]

According to what I heard, a screenwriter is being brought in to discuss a new Superman movie, whether that be an entirely new film or a sequel to Superman Returns was far from clear. This is what the Hollywood Reporter had to say:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i09f751dd163aa4110d36b46a59d23839?pn=2

There are at least nine more projects that are not dated but could be slated for 2009, according to one source. But one studio tentpole, the sequel to "Superman Returns," is not so lucky. There apparently are no current plans to add the project to the slate, according to a studio source.

[Superman-Prime]

Well, I just lost a faith with Warner Bros. Thank you very much for giving us, SR fans, bad news.

Looks like they are planning to reboot Superman film instead of sequel of Superman Returns.

So no Brandon Routh for good. I'm not going to support the reboot of Superman film with a different actor as the future of Superman.

I repeat; I WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT REBOOT OF SUPERMAN! EVER.

[That'ssuper!]

Glad to hear it, SR has too much of an outdated storyline to continue for a contemporary audience which demands much more of everything now.

[Lighthouse]

Playing devils advocate, but as far as I can tell, it only looks like it won't be on the 2009 slate. Which was kind of obvious already.

[Showtime]

Yeah I do need to have that title changed.

[Mister J]

At least there's discussion of another Superman solo flick, which I desperately want to see done. I'd prefer they kept Brandon, but they could scrap everything else. A different type of Supes film is needed.

[Lighthouse]

At least there's discussion of another Superman solo flick, which I desperately want to see done. I'd prefer they kept Brandon, but they could scrap everything else. A different type of Supes film is needed.

Really? From the looks of the article, there is no talk of anything happening.

[Mister J]

I was going off the initial part of Show's post, which echoed some things I read elsewhere about some activity in that area. It's more me hoping that anything concrete.

[Agentdemon]

So no Brandon Routh for good. I'm not going to support the reboot of Superman film with a different actor as the future of Superman.

I repeat; I WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT REBOOT OF SUPERMAN! EVER.

Oh no, A SR fan who won't support a possible reboot!!! What will the studio do now?

[Super_Ludacris]

Im not so sure if we even need a Superman movie. Reboot, Sequel, or team-up.

Just move on WB...

[Antonello Blueberry]

Playing devils advocate, but as far as I can tell, it only looks like it won't be on the 2009 slate. Which was kind of obvious already.
More than obvious as there's not a script yet. I hope Showtime is not a doctor or he will bury sleeping people.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Where does it say that the sequel was dead. It just says it is not coming out in 2009 which we already knew. It is suppose to come out in 2010 (which IMO is a bad move anyways). Because if I am not mistaken isn't Justice League suppose to come out in 2009.

[JaD]

ive read so much about this superman sequel being in limbo. but i think itll move forward soon enough. but it seems like theyd rather focus on a justic league movie starring a bunch of kids then get this sequel going.

and they have to keep brandon routh, he was good

[Ultimate_Superman]

IMO I think that the WB should really do something much like what Marvel is doing with Hulk. I mean I loved Superman Returns and thought it was a great movie but my problem is to much time has passed and the kid playing Jason isn't getting any younger. IMO if there was to be a sequel I felt it should take place no less then 3 weeks after the events of SR because I feel they need Superman to come clean to Lois about being Clark and all since there is a child involved not wait years before doing so. So with that being said I feel that they should just do a reboot because IMO if they do make a sequel to SR and it is more then two months have pasted and Clark still hasn't come clean to Lois that he is Superman is just plain wrong IMO.

[Jochimus]

Screw it, just start cooking another TV series already, WB. Even if all you do is put Welling in the cape and change the title to METROPOLIS, at this rate it'd still do more than the feature film division will ever be capable of, even if the writing's not that great anymore.

That, plus the fact that Superman's had a more consistent presence on TV than in movies, leads me to think nobody outside of comic fans cares whether a new Superman movie gets made anymore.

[Showtime]

More than obvious as there's not a script yet. I hope Showtime is not a doctor or he will bury sleeping people.

The title is very misleading, I've asked for it to be changed, as I've already mentioned. That being said, your continued tryouts for the Baghdad Bob sequel have been impressive.

[Showtime]

Where does it say that the sequel was dead. It just says it is not coming out in 2009 which we already knew. It is suppose to come out in 2010 (which IMO is a bad move anyways). Because if I am not mistaken isn't Justice League suppose to come out in 2009.

Actually, a lot of people on these boards and otherwise still believe there is a sequel going forward in 2009. Who knows. I hope at this point, they are moving forward with a reboot of Superman or a sequel. I just want to see Superman.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Again, its all nothing concrete really, and the way things have been going the last year, we could hear in another month that the sequel is going forward.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Actually, a lot of people on these boards and otherwise still believe there is a sequel going forward in 2009. Who knows. I hope at this point, they are moving forward with a reboot of Superman or a sequel. I just want to see Superman.I 100% agree with you I just hope its done right.

[Super_Ludacris]

Where does it say that the sequel was dead. It just says it is not coming out in 2009 which we already knew. It is suppose to come out in 2010 (which IMO is a bad move anyways). Because if I am not mistaken isn't Justice League suppose to come out in 2009.

That JL movie has gone the way of the Batman vs. Superman movie. Shelved indefinetly.

[GreenKToo]

I hate not knowing, but if I had to guess whats likely most to happen, then I'd say a reboot in a few years is the most logical choice as of right now.

[Super Kal]

i hope it's true :D:up::O

[Antonello Blueberry]

That JL movie has gone the way of the Batman vs. Superman movie. Shelved indefinetly.
Not according to the latest articles on the trades.

[Matt]

Changed title at Showtime's request.

[Super_Ludacris]

Not according to the latest articles on the trades.

what they saying now?

[Showtime]

Again, its all nothing concrete really, and the way things have been going the last year, we could hear in another month that the sequel is going forward.

Of course it's not, but news around here is slim to none, a mention of any kind of update seems to be something to talk about. Good or bad.

I 100% agree with you I just hope its done right.

We'll see son enough.

Changed title at Showtime's request.

Appreciate it.

[Antonello Blueberry]

what they saying now?
That JLA with "Angels and demons" and Transformers 2 is one of the titles pending for a 2009 release, waiting for the strike to stop.

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah it aint coming out lol

[VenomsMom]

JLA was already greenlit pending this writer strike gets resolved so where was there room for a Superman sequel coming in 09 anyways?

[Showtime]

I think people are thinking that JLA is coming out in 2010 at this point and were hoping a sequel would be coming out in 2009.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I think people are thinking that JLA is coming out in 2010 at this point and were hoping a sequel would be coming out in 2009.
Your people? Or the People Magazine?

[Showtime]

Your people? Or the People Magazine?

People on forums...

[Antonello Blueberry]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/850/850626p1.html

[Showtime]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/850/850626p1.html

Again, I know you love to be the Ying to my Yang, but I am not talking about Justice League. This is the Superman Forums. I am just talking the confusion of some people.

[Superman-Prime]

i hope it's true :D:up::O

:whatever:

[Super Kal]

what?... I don't think SR ever deserved a sequel. Hell, I don't think the idea even deserved a movie to begin with.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

That article is about as vague as Superman Returns history.

Still it's semi interesting news and proves the two people who still believe there would be an 09 sequel wrong.

[Prefix]

Why do most of the people on the Superman Returns boards hate Superman Returns? :confused:

[Superman-Prime]

what?... I don't think SR ever deserved a sequel. Hell, I don't think the idea even deserved a movie to begin with.

So, you said that SR doesn't deserve to have a sequel, then that means, Brandon Routh doesn't deserve to play as Superman again.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Give me a break, now we are morons for not liking what you like?

[Mostpowerful]

ive read so much about this superman sequel being in limbo. but i think itll move forward soon enough. but it seems like theyd rather focus on a justic league movie starring a bunch of kids then get this sequel going.

and they have to keep brandon routh, he was good

Agreed.

Brandon Routh is Superman.

I have No interest in watching a kid pretending to be Supes. Ugh, so dumb.

[Mostpowerful]

Screw it, just start cooking another TV series already, WB. Even if all you do is put Welling in the cape and change the title to METROPOLIS, at this rate it'd still do more than the feature film division will ever be capable of, even if the writing's not that great anymore.

That, plus the fact that Superman's had a more consistent presence on TV than in movies, leads me to think nobody outside of comic fans cares whether a new Superman movie gets made anymore.

I'm sorry but The Donner movies and Christopher Reeve are the most popular version of Superman in the world.

[mego joe]

Why do most of the people on the Superman Returns boards hate Superman Returns? :confused:

I don't think that's true, I think it is split closer to 50/50.

But to answer your question:

SR was a horrible adaptation of Superman from a story and character perspective, and it was poorly executed and often poorly and underacted.

It looked pretty but it was insubstantial in its content.

That's the short version. Feel free to peruse the boards for more in depth analysis.

[Super Kal]

So, you said that SR doesn't deserve to have a sequel, then that means, Brandon Routh doesn't deserve to play as Superman again.
I think Brandon deserves another shot at being Superman, but not with Singer at the helm... Routh did the best with what he could in the film, and he did an incredible job, despite the film still being utter crap.

Keep Routh, restart the rest.

[Nightwing1977]

Keep Routh, restart the rest.



If they go with that, I can deal with it. Even if Singer doesn't return, I hope Routh does at least. He deserve to show how his Supes would be if someone else direct it & use his own vision. It cool they did a homage with SR, but now it time for a different vision and I think Routh can do it. :supes:

And please keep Sam Hunnington(sp?) as Jimmy too. I really thought he was great with how geeky he was. Not to mention he kept the trademark bowtie. :D :D

[Prefix]

I don't think that's true, I think it is split closer to 50/50.

But to answer your question:

SR was a horrible adaptation of Superman from a story and character perspective, and it was poorly executed and often poorly and underacted.

It looked pretty but it was insubstantial in its content.

That's the short version. Feel free to peruse the boards for more in depth analysis.
Usually when I don't like a film, I don't go to message boards to talk about how much I hated it, but thats just me.

[Jochimus]

I'm sorry but The Donner movies and Christopher Reeve are the most popular version of Superman in the world.

I said consistent, not popular. In the time it took WB to get a fifth Superman movie off the ground, three live-action series (Superboy, Lois & Clark and Smallville) and four animated series (Ruby-Spears' Superman, S:TAS, Justice League/Unlimited, and Legion of Superheroes) made it to the airwaves.

[mego joe]

Usually when I don't like a film, I don't go to message boards to talk about how much I hated it, but thats just me.

That's fine, but a lot of us see this as an outlet to vent our frustrations and to make our voice heard at WB. :)

I think the fact that the WAY this movie was bad in that it just seemed wrong affects the reaction too. It wasn't like it was just 'bad,' it seemed 'wrong.' And that is a difference.

[Mostpowerful]

Usually when I don't like a film, I don't go to message boards to talk about how much I hated it, but thats just me.

:yay: You know, there are other places where SR is liked by most people, like Bluethights.net. It's a cool place. I love SR a lot. And welcome!

[hammy]

Why do most of the people on the Superman Returns boards hate Superman Returns? :confused:

Lots of reasons; casting, script, direction, etc. There's tons of threads detailing the reasons if you wanted to look.

So, you said that SR doesn't deserve to have a sequel, then that means, Brandon Routh doesn't deserve to play as Superman again.

I would disagree with this. I don't think SR did the character justice, so I would prefer not to have a sequel to a story I didn't much like. However, I would LOVE more Superman movies and since I think Brandon was the best thing about SR, I'd be fine with him playing Supes again. :)

Usually when I don't like a film, I don't go to message boards to talk about how much I hated it, but thats just me.

You just joined. A lot of people have been here for years and were here during the casting wars and before Singer was even selected. If they didn't like the movie, it's natural that they would discuss that here, in this environment.

[AgentPat]

You just joined. A lot of people have been here for years and were here during the casting wars and before Singer was even selected. If they didn't like the movie, it's natural that they would discuss that here, in this environment.Ah, the casting wars. Such fond memories. :heart:






....NOT! :mad: ;) :p

Okay, so I'm just lurking. Missed ya, Casey. :D

[Visionary]

Well, this is good news.

[Crook]

Well if it's between a Superman reboot, or the JL movie, I'd certainly take the former. Here's hoping they don't f**k it up again. :o

Oh, and Henry Cavill for Supes! :heart:

/nostalgia

[Krug3r]

A sequel is almost impossible....they have nowhere to go with the story, they didn't get the crowd wishing for more. if they do a sequel of more of the same..it's going to be a total flop.it's dead. And Warner knows that.

Warner is going to do the same thing with Superman as they are doing with Hulk. they are going to keep silent for at least until the end of 2008 and then start slowly building a restart superman...not an origin story...but a restart.

The other possibility is to do with superman what they want to do with JLA..with is a mix movie and then spinoffs...but after the huge success (That I bet it will be) of the Dark Knight...do a Batman vs Superman or coop storyline. and then Revamp a superman alone movie.


Routh did an ok job...he wasn't the worst superman..but he was far from the best. and warner will need to cut from everything linked to SR and I'm afraid that means Singer and Routh out. They will need a big name for this one, no offence to Mr. Spacey...one that doesn't occasionally make a good movie. They will need a someone that will be "hot" at the time like..right now..that person would be a Will Smith or a Matt Damon for example.

With so many people working..talented people, why doesn't anyone pitch in?

[Super Kal]

well, because they're still working on their scripts maybe :p

[Krug3r]

well, because they're still working on their scripts maybe :p

I wish they are all working...established and newcomers...this should be an incentive ..they know warner is looking for a script..it's a great chance. Write the best superman movie they can

[DanSupKP37]

I am starting to get the feeling that the big guy is headed back to many years of developmental hell again. Not making MOS just makes no sense at all, but this is WB we are talking about.

[nintendo nerd]

A sequel is almost impossible....they have nowhere to go with the story, they didn't get the crowd wishing for more. if they do a sequel of more of the same..it's going to be a total flop.it's dead. And Warner knows that.

Warner is going to do the same thing with Superman as they are doing with Hulk. they are going to keep silent for at least until the end of 2008 and then start slowly building a restart superman...not an origin story...but a restart.

The other possibility is to do with superman what they want to do with JLA..with is a mix movie and then spinoffs...but after the huge success (That I bet it will be) of the Dark Knight...do a Batman vs Superman or coop storyline. and then Revamp a superman alone movie.


Routh did an ok job...he wasn't the worst superman..but he was far from the best. and warner will need to cut from everything linked to SR and I'm afraid that means Singer and Routh out. They will need a big name for this one, no offence to Mr. Spacey...one that doesn't occasionally make a good movie. They will need a someone that will be "hot" at the time like..right now..that person would be a Will Smith or a Matt Damon for example.

With so many people working..talented people, why doesn't anyone pitch in?

Sigh.... another person that thinks he can predict the future and knows everything.

Do you work at WB? How do you know they will make a reboot as the Hulk?

The article says MOS won't be released in 2009 ( something most of us already knew ). There are no plans for a sequel because of the strike and Singer is still working on Valkyrie.

No one is pitching a script right now, again because of the strike.

[nintendo nerd]

I am starting to get the feeling that the big guy is headed back to many years of developmental hell again. Not making MOS just makes no sense at all, but this is WB we are talking about.

Probably. At least we got SR.

[Super Kal]

I'd rather we should of had more development hell, because if SR is the best they can do, it doesn't deserve a movie.

[Showtime]

Sigh.... another person that thinks he can predict the future and knows everything.

Do you work at WB? How do you know they will make a reboot as the Hulk?

The article says MOS won't be released in 2009 ( something most of us already knew ). There are no plans for a sequel because of the strike and Singer is still working on Valkyrie.

No one is pitching a script right now, again because of the strike.

The Strike is just about over.

[nintendo nerd]

I'd rather we should of had more development hell, because if SR is the best they can do, it doesn't deserve a movie.


We know that they can do better, but they are really lazy to do it. I don't understand why the directors and producers of most of the movies based on comic books don't ask for advice from the comic book writers. It is like if their ego don't allow them to do that ( Singer, Burton and some others).

[nintendo nerd]

The Strike is just about over.

Yeah. I've been reading about it. Good news. We will probably have some news about Superman's future in the next couple of weeks.

[Super Kal]

maybe, hopefully, Singer won't be attached to that future

[Showtime]

Yeah. I've been reading about it. Good news. We will probably have some news about Superman's future in the next couple of weeks.

Hopefully, but I think you're going to hear reports about JLA's future on non future instead.

[Super Kal]

i can deal with that

[Mr. Socko]

Obviously. Bryan Singer won't be finished with Valkyrie until October of this year(it's month of release). So full on production couldn't even start until October at the soonest, there's really no way a sequel in '09 would even be possible. It is now 2008, SR came out two years ago and WB isn't even sure about a sequel. I'm doubting it'll ever see the light of day now. Superman on film has always given our boys a hassle.

Screw it, just start cooking another TV series already, WB. Even if all you do is put Welling in the cape and change the title to METROPOLIS, at this rate it'd still do more than the feature film division will ever be capable of, even if the writing's not that great anymore.


I'd actually watch if this happened.

[mojo-x]

So, you said that SR doesn't deserve to have a sequel, then that means, Brandon Routh doesn't deserve to play as Superman again.

Yes, no more Brandon Routh are any one else form SR.

Originally Posted by Prefix http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=14019462#post14019462)
Usually when I don't like a film, I don't go to message boards to talk about how much I hated it, but thats just me.


Most films I do not like are not based off a franchise I grew up with and have been anticipating a new film for like 20 years.

[Superman-Prime]

Yes, no more Brandon Routh are any one else form SR.


You must be a Brandon Routh hater, which it is really sad and PATHETIC.

[mojo-x]

You must be a Brandon Routh hater, which it is really sad and PATHETIC.

Just because I did not want Routh in the next Superman movie does not mean I hate him. In fact the reason I do not want him back has more to do with the poor direction he received form Singer. I have seen Spacey in other films and would consider him a fine actor but he was stupid and campy as Lexs so I do not want him back either.

[DanSupKP37]

I have seen Spacey in other films and would consider him a fine actor but he was stupid and campy as Lexs so I do not want him back either.

Lex was more campy played by Hackman in Superman 1 and 2, then he was in SR. I mean look at that idiot campy sidekick he had around him in Ottis.

[GreenKToo]

I'd want Routh back, but thats all.

[Superman-Prime]

Just because I did not want Routh in the next Superman movie does not mean I hate him. In fact the reason I do not want him back has more to do with the poor direction he received form Singer. I have seen Spacey in other films and would consider him a fine actor but he was stupid and campy as Lexs so I do not want him back either.

It's your opinion, not a fact.

Think about this. There are few people on this board want Brandon Routh back for the sequel. I'm one of them.

If Warner Bros wants to replace Brandon Routh by different actor for reboot, I'm not going to support the movie.

If Brandon Routh comes back either sequel or reboot, I WILL support the movie.

[Super Kal]

so would I... but only if it was Routh.

[hippie_hunter]

I think it was pretty damn obvious that this film was not going to make it in 2009 with the writers strike and Warner Bros.' uncertainty with it.

[Crook]

It's your opinion, not a fact.

Think about this. There are few people on this board want Brandon Routh back for the sequel. I'm one of them.

If Warner Bros wants to replace Brandon Routh by different actor for reboot, I'm not going to support the movie.

If Brandon Routh comes back either sequel or reboot, I WILL support the movie.
That's an idiotic stance to take. Routh isn't the only actor capable of pulling off the role. Given SR, what he did wasn't even all that amazing in the first place.

100% of the fans were just fine w/o Routh, but the second SR comes out, he's all of a sudden irreplaceable? Please.

[Mr. Socko]

It's your opinion, not a fact.

Think about this. There are few people on this board want Brandon Routh back for the sequel. I'm one of them.

If Warner Bros wants to replace Brandon Routh by different actor for reboot, I'm not going to support the movie.

If Brandon Routh comes back either sequel or reboot, I WILL support the movie.

So you're not really a fan of Superman. You don't really care about the films. You're just interested in Brandon Routh with blue tights, a cape, and a red speedo?

Correct me where I am wrong.

[VenomsMom]

So you're not really a fan of Superman. You don't really care about the films. You're just interested in Brandon Routh with blue tights, a cape, and a red speedo?

Correct me where I am wrong.
LOl.

[Superman-Prime]

So you're not really a fan of Superman. You don't really care about the films. You're just interested in Brandon Routh with blue tights, a cape, and a red speedo?

Correct me where I am wrong.

I can tell you're being sarcastic.

I'm a long time fan of Superman since I was a kid, and still a fan. I want Brandon Routh to come back as Superman again because HE IS SUPERMAN.

EDIT: Btw, I'm not ****IN' gay. PERIOD. Ugh.

[wellsy]

Prime, you should really calm down.

The role of Superman is larger than any one actor. You should know that. I certainly do.

Just, take it easy about it. Brandon was good. But his very presence in the role (not to mention the many other actors who have played Superman) is in itself contradictory to your statements of support.

I've no desire to tell you what to like, but while you can say (quite rightly) that Brandon is your favourite Superman actor thus far, don't say he's the only one fit for the role.

Please.

[Super Kal]

I like Routh as Superman, but indeed the role is much more important than him... this is what happened with Reeves and Reeve: they played Superman, and everyone only saw them as that character.

[Showtime]

To me Brandon Routh IS Superman at this point, I liked him in the role. As sombody else alluded to though, Superman is bigger than Routh, Superman is even bigger than the character itself. Bryan Singer said it himself, Superman will go on long after his vision.

[Mr. Socko]

I can tell you're being sarcastic.

I'm a long time fan of Superman since I was a kid, and still a fan. I want Brandon Routh to come back as Superman again because HE IS SUPERMAN.

I think Routh did fine with what he had to work with, and I believe he has great potential to do even better. I was just questioning your "I'll only watch if he's attached to the film" stance.

EDIT: Btw, I'm not ****IN' gay. PERIOD. Ugh.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

But I'll make sure I keep it noted for your satisfaction sweetheart.:cwink:

[Nightwing1977]

I think it was pretty damn obvious that this film was not going to make it in 2009 with the writers strike and Warner Bros.' uncertainty with it.

Same here. It's already slowing down JLA & that was suppose to come out in 2009. If JLA were to come out in 2009, I imagine SR sequel or whatever would be out the year after or beyond that. Of course, anything is possible. We'll just have to wait & see what the future hold for both of the 2 with the strike likely being over anytime right now.

[Krug3r]

Sigh.... another person that thinks he can predict the future and knows everything.

Do you work at WB? How do you know they will make a reboot as the Hulk?

The article says MOS won't be released in 2009 ( something most of us already knew ). There are no plans for a sequel because of the strike and Singer is still working on Valkyrie.

No one is pitching a script right now, again because of the strike.

I'm just saying what I think, this is a forum after all

[mojo-x]

Look my point was I did not hate Routh but I thought SR was IMO horrible so I want to see a reboot and if Routh is attached to the next movie then it probably will have ties 2 SR. He made millions of dollars playing an iconic character and for those who liked SR, you still got the DVD

[8blades]

What the heck is going on with this movie???

[04nbod]

kevin spacey has just been on E! at the baftas. He said that as far as he knows the superman sequel is going ahead

[dark_b]

kevin spacey has just been on E! at the baftas. He said that as far as he knows the superman sequel is going aheadyeah maybe for 2010.
o way that the sequel would happen for 2009.

they would need a script and the main bad guy would already have to casted.
filming from march until november.

[Showtime]

I made you an avatar...

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/DB.jpg

[dark_b]

thanks for this.i like how the face is dark.

but no avatars for me.
i am a secret

[Showtime]

For some reason it drives me nuts.

[dark_b]

i will try it
thanks again fror the avatar

[Showtime]

i will try it
thanks again fror the avatar

It actually looks decent.

Your talent could probably make a better one though.

[Krug3r]

wow..that's love right there

[VenomsMom]

i will try it
thanks again fror the avatar
OMG....It took 15000 posts but Dark b has an avatar. This is historic.:woot:

[Krug3r]

C'mon the strike is over....I want names by the end of the week...

[dark_b]

OMG....It took 15000 posts but Dark b has an avatar. This is historic.:woot:how many posts do you need for an avatar?

10 000 ? :oldrazz:

[boog_spin]

To me Brandon Routh IS Superman at this point, I liked him in the role. As sombody else alluded to though, Superman is bigger than Routh, Superman is even bigger than the character itself. Bryan Singer said it himself, Superman will go on long after his vision.

i agree...right now it would be hard to see another in the role...i thought routh did an excellent job as superman and i would love to see him continue......

as much as it would suck to see another play superman...i would still be open to t...

i love the character.

i would really love to see the "kingom come" version now.... that way thy could make a superman movie...but still be able to do an origin in 5 years.


i actually think that is the PERFECT way to go.

make kingdom come into a movie, but obviously tweak it...but show an older..beaten down superman who feels tht no matter what he does, humanity does NOT learn from its mistakes.

if the public responds to that, then build off of it. show how he got there. like the darth vader angle of the star wars movies. build up to it.

superman is supposed to be the ULTIMAYE AMERICAN. idealistic, championeering the "american" way. show him beaten down..fighting for something that isnt relevant anymore, but still necessary.

does that make sense?

seriously...i think thats kind of cool

[nintendo nerd]

I made you an avatar...

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/DB.jpg

I wish someone would make me an avatar. :csad:

Good work Showtime.

[The_Beav]

how many posts do you need for an avatar?

10 000 ? :oldrazz:

1337

[buggs0268]

edited by me. Moved to Brandon Routh thread.

[buggs0268]

That JL movie has gone the way of the Batman vs. Superman movie. Shelved indefinetly.
Actually not:

"Meanwhile, productions with known script issues such as Warner Bros. tentpole "Justice League" are expected to get fast-tracked once writers return to the scene."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i09f751dd163aa4110d36b46a59d23839?pn=1

[buggs0268]

Why do most of the people on the Superman Returns boards hate Superman Returns? :confused:
Cause it stunk

[superbaby]

Usually when I don't like a film, I don't go to message boards to talk about how much I hated it, but thats just me.
because we are superman fans. we like superman! we are upset to see how badly singer screwing the character in SR... like seeing your families being beaten up... you know... the rage...

[Rated-X]

Cause it stunk

What he said

[wellsy]

Hey, I liked it well enough.

To each their own...

[I Am The Knight]

I can tell you're being sarcastic.

I'm a long time fan of Superman since I was a kid, and still a fan. I want Brandon Routh to come back as Superman again because HE IS SUPERMAN.

EDIT: Btw, I'm not ****IN' gay. PERIOD. Ugh.

This is getting too idiotic.

Aaaanyway. this thread sure is pointless. We should have an official thread for all MOS updates (there are not that many, unfortunately) as this is stuff we've known for quite some time. I wish they'd get the damn movie going already. At least Justice League might still happen once the strike is over (like, really over.)

[project13]

Um...now that the writer's strike is over, is there gonna be a sequel in 2009? I mean pre-production might start at say, early-to-mid 2008?

[Nightwing1977]

Um...now that the writer's strike is over, is there gonna be a sequel in 2009? I mean pre-production might start at say, early-to-mid 2008?

Doubt it. If a sequel or something happend, it could be out either in 2010 or 2011. We just don't know right now what's going on, so we'll have to wait & see.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Regardless of what happens it seems a sequel in 2010 is more likely than a JL movie happening anytime in the next few years :o

[mego joe]

Regardless of what happens it seems a sequel in 2010 is more likely than a JL movie happening anytime in the next few years :o

I would have thought the latest news on JLA being on the list of movies to go back into production post-strike would have made it more likely than a SR sequel that doesn't even have any pre-production going.

[Arkady Rossovich]

According to what I heard, a screenwriter is being brought in to discuss a new Superman movie, whether that be an entirely new film or a sequel to Superman Returns was far from clear.

If Showtime says it,then it's credible. I knew things would fall appart.

[Super Kal]

well, at least they're bringing in a new writer...

[Nightwing1977]

well, at least they're bringing in a new writer...

Yep. I would love to know who it is. Hopefully someone who can write a good story with plenty of action.

[BareKnucklez]

To me Brandon Routh IS Superman at this point, I liked him in the role. As sombody else alluded to though, Superman is bigger than Routh, Superman is even bigger than the character itself. Bryan Singer said it himself, Superman will go on long after his vision.


Yikes! He stunk, I'd rather have a reboot myself!

The Incredible :bh:is gonna rule all!

[buggs0268]

Regardless of what happens it seems a sequel in 2010 is more likely than a JL movie happening anytime in the next few years :o
Again, how do you get that from this:

"Meanwhile, productions with known script issues such as Warner Bros. tentpole "Justice League" are expected to get fast-tracked once writers return to the scene."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...a59d23839?pn=1 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i09f751dd163aa4110d36b46a59d23839?pn=1)

Seems to me that JL is being fast tracked now that the strike is over and a sequel to SR is not. EmiJayne says it has been fast tracked to a July start date, while MOS is lingering in limbo.

Clint at moviehole:

"Star Trek and Justice League pushed
Date : February 14, 2008 Writer : Clint Morris

Two major blows for cinemagoers today: both “Star Trek” and the seemingly terminally-troubled “Justice League of America” have been pushed back.

In the case of the latter, Australia’s Herald-Sun Newspaper says that a 2010 start date, rather than mid-2008, is now being eyed. Apparently much of the cast have gone and booked themselves up this year, but more importantly, the studio has realised the film isn’t ready to roll. No big loss – except for Megan Gale who has just quit her day job [as a runway model] to become Wonder Woman [S******].
http://www.moviehole.net/news/20080214_star_trek_and_justice_league_p.html

Either way, JL is way before SR2, which I still say will be a reboot.

[Prefix]

I'd say the second article would mean that WB needs another superhero movie to fill the gap between now and 2010. So wouldn't that mean SR2, reboot or not, is a possibility?

[Showtime]

Seems to me that JL is being fast tracked now that the strike is over and a sequel to SR is not. EmiJayne says it has been fast tracked to a July start date, while MOS is lingering in limbo.

Two major blows for cinemagoers today: both “Star Trek” and the seemingly terminally-troubled “Justice League of America” have been pushed back.

In the case of the latter, Australia’s Herald-Sun Newspaper says that a 2010 start date, rather than mid-2008, is now being eyed. Apparently much of the cast have gone and booked themselves up this year, but more importantly, the studio has realised the film isn’t ready to roll. No big loss – except for Megan Gale who has just quit her day job [as a runway model] to become Wonder Woman [S******].
http://www.moviehole.net/news/20080214_star_trek_and_justice_league_p.html

Either way, JL is way before SR2, which I still say will be a reboot.

So obviously Jayne was wrong about the movie being fast-tracked and you can bet if this is true and there is a start date of 2010, then either the movie isn't happening or they are waiting for Bale and Routh after their franchises have run their course.

[bgshw44]

So obviously Jayne was wrong about the movie being fast-tracked and you can bet if this is true and there is a start date of 2010, then either the movie isn't happening or they are waiting for Bale and Routh after their franchises have run their course.

if thats true then that would be the first smart thing WB has don ein a long time

[Super Kal]

they may not have to wait long for the Superman franchise to end

[Showtime]

if thats true then that would be the first smart thing WB has don ein a long time

Delaying Justice League or waiting for Routh and Bale?

they may not have to wait long for the Superman franchise to end

Maybe...maybe not.

[FlawlessVictory]

Perhaps now WB will shift its focus from JL back to a solo Superman film. Hopefully they will go the route Marvel has with The Incredible Hulk.

[Super Kal]

honestly, I hope they shift everything towards JL... I don't want to see them put any effort into Superman until Singer is gone

[Showtime]

Perhaps now WB will shift its focus from JL back to a solo Superman film. Hopefully they will go the route Marvel has with The Incredible Hulk.

honestly, I hope they shift everything towards JL... I don't want to see them put any effort into Superman until Singer is gone

There will be...Justice For All!

[dark_b]

showtime what you think of my new avatar? :)

[bgshw44]

Delaying Justice League or waiting for Routh and Bale?



Maybe...maybe not.

delaying the justice league to have routh and bale in it. i still think they are better off doing a worlds finest w/ routh and bale, then have different actors in the justice league film to start new franchises

[Showtime]

showtime what you think of my new avatar? :)

That is awesome! Is that from Returns at the end?

delaying the justice league to have routh and bale in it. i still think they are better off doing a worlds finest w/ routh and bale, then have different actors in the justice league film to start new franchises

Ahh I see. They probably are better off, but it is the slimmest chance in the world.

[dark_b]

That is awesome! Is that from Returns at the end? .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dquNSJL05N4

:woot:

[Super Kal]

:down

[Prefix]

That's an amazing sequence!

[dark_b]

:downwhats wrong?

[Venom'sDad]

Nice Avatar dark_b. :up: :up: :up:

[Prefix]

whats wrong?It must offend him somehow.

[FlawlessVictory]

CG Superman looks horrible. :o

[Superman-Prime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dquNSJL05N4

:woot:

Gosh. I loved the final flight.

:down

Oh, c'mon..... :oldrazz:

showtime what you think of my new avatar? :)

BADASS!

CG Superman looks horrible. :o

Blah. I don't care if it looks horrible. I liked it. >.> Call me insane.

[dark_b]

the ''CGI'' superman is rendered in POSER. its very primitive. i am working on a fan trailer.

back on topic.

[Prefix]

CGI Superman looks good, but like all human CGI, doesn't look good enough. My one complaint was that they shouldn't have shown it close up.

[Super Kal]

whats wrong?
your avvy = coolness
the video = utter s**t

[Prefix]

How is it "utter s**t"?

[Super Kal]

Oh, c'mon..... :oldrazz:

no, I won't.

[X-Maniac]

I'd say the second article would mean that WB needs another superhero movie to fill the gap between now and 2010. So wouldn't that mean SR2, reboot or not, is a possibility?


Do they necessarily need 'another superhero movie' to fill the gap? Another big movie of ANY genre would suffice as their summer blockbuster.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol, y'all crazy

[dark_b]

no, I won't.i am thinking about you when doing the fan trailer thats why i will change the red and blue . i will brighten the colors when using scenes from SR.if i wont have any ideas i will ask you for some advice on the colors.

high res SS
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7648/lklklklknk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Super Kal]

I'd be happy to help if you need any

[buggs0268]

Well everything we are hearing is that they are going ahead with Justice Leauge as they have a script that just needs some rewrites. They also have a lot of built sets still in Australia. When the strike delayed JL, the workers were told to finish their work for that week, instead of just drop what you are doing, meaning that they always intended to go ahead with it after the strike. Again, MOS has no script, and it also has no sets, and all the trades are reporting there is no movement on it and every bit of movement on JLA and that the WB wants that to get started ASAP. So I don't know why everyone is still holding their breaths on a MOS.

[Pickle-El]

It's funny.....JLA is the one that has been 'pushed back' as of now. Yet, the people who want to see MOS are the only ones reaching straws. After all, if it's in the trades, it must be true.

Oh, the irony.

[Super_Ludacris]

It's funny.....JLA is the one that has been 'pushed back' as of now. Yet, the people who want to see MOS are the only ones reaching straws. After all, if it's in the trades, it must be true.

Oh, the irony.

Its not like either one is ever coming out...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's funny.....JLA is the one that has been 'pushed back' as of now. Yet, the people who want to see MOS are the only ones reaching straws. After all, if it's in the trades, it must be true.

Oh, the irony.

Its just same old Buggs :yay: :cwink:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

showtime what you think of my new avatar? :)

Superb :up:

[buggs0268]

Wow that is funny. Talk about desperate. Unless there are some other industry articles that no one is talking about, the article that started this thread states this about SR2:

But one studio tentpole, the sequel to "Superman Returns," is not so lucky. There apparently are no current plans to add the project to the slate, according to a studio source.

And this about JLA:

Meanwhile, productions with known script issues such as Warner Bros. tentpole "Justice League" are expected to get fast-tracked once writers return to the scene.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i09f751dd163aa4110d36b46a59d23839?pn=2

In fact, everyone else is saying the same thing except you guys. Funny from a bunch of guys having no ties with the studio, and no leads at all, just some internet bloggers are right and the industry trade sources are wrong. I have never seen so much mass delusion in all of my life. But then coming from you guys, that is expected. You have gotten everything about this whole thing wrong so far. Keep dreaming guys. You guys crack me up. First it's "JLA is years away. It has to go through development hell and it is years away" Well director hired and sets being built in Australia. Then there is casting done except two leads needing replaced. Suits are being built. It is even on the WB slate. Funny that none of this is going on with SR2 and it is not on the release slate.

[FlawlessVictory]

^I'm pretty sure you were in the Justice League forum before the strike hit claiming how JL would not be delayed by it. Well, it certainly get delayed. We even supposedly had a quote from George Miller himself who said that the movie would not be effected by the strike. And, it was most definitely effected.

You talk like JL will absolutely get made no matter what, as if it's a fact. Sure, there are signs that point to it (the ones you've mentioned) but you, myself and pretty much everyone on these boards don't know what will happen with JL or MOS. JL may still get made, it may fall apart. MOS may still get made, it may not. Bottom line is, we don't know!!

[bunk]

Unfortunately, JLA was shaping up to be pretty terrible most likely. Horrible and uninspired casting (aside from Common), weak choice of director, questionable script from questionable writers... They do have WETA though, which is excellent. I just don't know what to think of WB these days.

[FlawlessVictory]

Unfortunately, JLA was shaping up to be pretty terrible most likely. Horrible and uninspired casting (aside from Common), weak choice of director, questionable script from questionable writers... They do have WETA though, which is excellent. I just don't know what to think of WB these days.

Agreed, it's hard to believe the current Batman movies are coming from the same studio.

[buggs0268]

It still has more than SR2. SR2's Singer pitches got vetoed by the studio. That is all SR2 has. And people working on the film are going back to work on it in June.

[Thot]

Seems to me WB is getting the message. SR was, at the least, a disappointment in general and fans were split almost right down the middle. This is not a formula for a successful franchise reboot. It appears they are slowing down enough to catch their breath and make some serious decisions as to which way to go. I predict they will go the gutsy route that Marvel has gone with The Incredible Hulk. The only bummer will be the dismissal of Routh. If they do the kind of movie they should, Brandon will most likely not be returning. He was the only decent thing about SR, ironically. Here's hoping.................

[Showtime]

Well everything we are hearing is that they are going ahead with Justice Leauge as they have a script that just needs some rewrites. They also have a lot of built sets still in Australia. When the strike delayed JL, the workers were told to finish their work for that week, instead of just drop what you are doing, meaning that they always intended to go ahead with it after the strike. Again, MOS has no script, and it also has no sets, and all the trades are reporting there is no movement on it and every bit of movement on JLA and that the WB wants that to get started ASAP. So I don't know why everyone is still holding their breaths on a MOS.

It is now being reported that JLA is pushed back, mabye until a 2010 start date. You know as well as I do, having sets built for a movie means nothing. In regards to MOS, they have an uphill battle, no writers and no script. They have a cast and director, that is it.

[Showtime]

It still has more than SR2. SR2's Singer pitches got vetoed by the studio. That is all SR2 has. And people working on the film are going back to work on it in June.

Sure does have more, but again MOS aside, there have been many a film that has been canceled with sets, scripts, director and cast attached. There are other things at play sometimes.

MOS had some concept art and storyboarding as well, just for the record.

[dark_b]

Superb :up::up::woot:
:up:

[VenomsMom]

:up::woot:
:up:
Ok darkb....you are just showin off now.:oldrazz:

[FaT_tONle]

Justice League is DEAD... for now at least... two Batman films... possibly two supes films by then... then a JLA... they get MOS into production by the summer of 09... filming by that fall... and yeah we could be getting MOS for a Holiday release the following year... I still think it would take a miracle... but so would fast tracking a JLA at this point.

[wellsy]

Well everything we are hearing is that they are going ahead with Justice Leauge as they have a script that just needs some rewrites. They also have a lot of built sets still in Australia. When the strike delayed JL, the workers were told to finish their work for that week, instead of just drop what you are doing, meaning that they always intended to go ahead with it after the strike. Again, MOS has no script, and it also has no sets, and all the trades are reporting there is no movement on it and every bit of movement on JLA and that the WB wants that to get started ASAP. So I don't know why everyone is still holding their breaths on a MOS.

Wow that is funny. Talk about desperate. Unless there are some other industry articles that no one is talking about, the article that started this thread states this about SR2:
And this about JLA:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i09f751dd163aa4110d36b46a59d23839?pn=2
In fact, everyone else is saying the same thing except you guys. Funny from a bunch of guys having no ties with the studio, and no leads at all, just some internet bloggers are right and the industry trade sources are wrong. I have never seen so much mass delusion in all of my life. But then coming from you guys, that is expected. You have gotten everything about this whole thing wrong so far. Keep dreaming guys. You guys crack me up. First it's "JLA is years away. It has to go through development hell and it is years away" Well director hired and sets being built in Australia. Then there is casting done except two leads needing replaced. Suits are being built. It is even on the WB slate. Funny that none of this is going on with SR2 and it is not on the release slate.

Ehem, but didn't you just post info stating quite clearly that JL had been delayed by two years. Somehow, I really don't think your beloved JL doing much better than MOS, in terms of development progress, and given that the actors are booked out for the year (again, according to the information you posted), the earliest they can start will be next year, or they'll need to go through and recast entirely (and I'm sure that'll be a bother).

Please, don't be so blinkered by your dislike of SR that you'll blindly cling to a ship thats adrift in a sea of icebergs. Yeah, the analogy is lame (and we're not doing much better, I admit), but it is true. I'm not asking you to like SR or any sequels. Just don't become a hypocrite because of it. If there is one thing I absolutely detest, it is a hypocrite.

MOS and JL are both in development limbo, and only time will tell if either, both, or none of them are made. That is the simple truth as it stands in the present.

[Superman-Prime]

i am thinking about you when doing the fan trailer thats why i will change the red and blue . i will brighten the colors when using scenes from SR.if i wont have any ideas i will ask you for some advice on the colors.

high res SS
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7648/lklklklknk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Beautiful.

Can you make a wallpaper? I'd love to have it on my desktop.

If you can't, I understand. :word:

[buggs0268]

Ehem, but didn't you just post info stating quite clearly that JL had been delayed by two years. Somehow, I really don't think your beloved JL doing much better than MOS, in terms of development progress, and given that the actors are booked out for the year (again, according to the information you posted), the earliest they can start will be next year, or they'll need to go through and recast entirely (and I'm sure that'll be a bother).

Please, don't be so blinkered by your dislike of SR that you'll blindly cling to a ship thats adrift in a sea of icebergs. Yeah, the analogy is lame (and we're not doing much better, I admit), but it is true. I'm not asking you to like SR or any sequels. Just don't become a hypocrite because of it. If there is one thing I absolutely detest, it is a hypocrite.

MOS and JL are both in development limbo, and only time will tell if either, both, or none of them are made. That is the simple truth as it stands in the present.
One guy is saying it is postponed but no one else has confirmed it. IN the JL thread there are links to blogs of people working on the film who have said that the WB contacted them and they resume work in June.

And the fact is no one is talking about a sequel to SR except you guys. Every trade is that writes on it says it is Dead in the water or the WB is not putting it on it's slate. So no matter what you guys say, Warner's is actively not doing anything about an SR2. And JLA is not in limbo. Sets are built. Actors hired. And the crew resumes work in June.

[Nightwing1977]

You talk like JL will absolutely get made no matter what, as if it's a fact. Sure, there are signs that point to it (the ones you've mentioned) but you, myself and pretty much everyone on these boards don't know what will happen with JL or MOS. JL may still get made, it may fall apart. MOS may still get made, it may not. Bottom line is, we don't know!!



Word. I know you're dislike SR & I don't, but I do agree with what you're saying here. There is no real (and I mean real news, not believe every rumor about MoS being cancel is true) news on what going on with MoS. But we do know from report that JLA is delayed for 2 yrs. right now. Poor buggs didn't get the memo on that. They're starting JLA in June this year? LMAO!! Not according to the news that said it delayed for 2 yrs. :funny:

[dark_b]

Ok darkb....you are just showin off now.:oldrazz:i thought that this was obvious :oldrazz:

i am proud of my work. :hehe:

[Lestat74]

From the LA Times business section; article on Hollywood post writer's strike:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-work15feb15,1,3663196,full.story

"Fox is looking for screenplay help for its romantic comedy "Bride Wars," and Dimension Films hopes to move forward on "The $6 Billion Man," a loose remake of the TV series, possibly with Eddie Murphy. Warner Bros. is looking to hire writers for "Superman 2" and Paramount is developing a Billy Crystal comedy."

So...sumthin's going on. Maybe not much at the moment, but SR 2 ain't dead yet it seems.

[CrazyDavey]

From the LA Times business section; article on Hollywood post writer's strike:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-work15feb15,1,3663196,full.story

"Fox is looking for screenplay help for its romantic comedy "Bride Wars," and Dimension Films hopes to move forward on "The $6 Billion Man," a loose remake of the TV series, possibly with Eddie Murphy. Warner Bros. is looking to hire writers for "Superman 2" and Paramount is developing a Billy Crystal comedy."

So...sumthin's going on. Maybe not much at the moment, but SR 2 ain't dead yet it seems.


that put a smile on my face :woot:

[Snoo]

that put a smile on my face :woot:

Same here. :woot: It's very nice to hear something, even a little teeny weeny tidbit, on MOS, after months and months of JLA talk.

It's not much but it's not exactly nothing either.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^No doubt Buggs will just ignore that little tidbit about MOS and just continue to think JLA is going ahead this year.

[bunk]

One guy is saying it is postponed but no one else has confirmed it. IN the JL thread there are links to blogs of people working on the film who have said that the WB contacted them and they resume work in June.

And the fact is no one is talking about a sequel to SR except you guys. Every trade is that writes on it says it is Dead in the water or the WB is not putting it on it's slate. So no matter what you guys say, Warner's is actively not doing anything about an SR2. And JLA is not in limbo. Sets are built. Actors hired. And the crew resumes work in June.

And daring to do so in a MOS forum... you guys iz crazy yo.

From the LA Times business section; article on Hollywood post writer's strike:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-work15feb15,1,3663196,full.story

"Fox is looking for screenplay help for its romantic comedy "Bride Wars," and Dimension Films hopes to move forward on "The $6 Billion Man," a loose remake of the TV series, possibly with Eddie Murphy. Warner Bros. is looking to hire writers for "Superman 2" and Paramount is developing a Billy Crystal comedy."

So...sumthin's going on. Maybe not much at the moment, but SR 2 ain't dead yet it seems.

NO! Stop it!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^No doubt Buggs will just ignore that little tidbit about MOS and just continue to think JLA is going ahead this year.

[Showtime]

From the LA Times business section; article on Hollywood post writer's strike:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-work15feb15,1,3663196,full.story

"Fox is looking for screenplay help for its romantic comedy "Bride Wars," and Dimension Films hopes to move forward on "The $6 Billion Man," a loose remake of the TV series, possibly with Eddie Murphy. Warner Bros. is looking to hire writers for "Superman 2" and Paramount is developing a Billy Crystal comedy."

So...sumthin's going on. Maybe not much at the moment, but SR 2 ain't dead yet it seems.

http://showtime029.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-man-of-steel-writer-being-brought.html

Some rumors are circulating that the WB is preparing to bring a "famous screenwriter" in to discuss a possible Superman Returns sequel or a totally different Superman movie. Right now of course this is just a rumor. However, with the strike seemingly winding down and the latest news before the strike being WB was bringing in various writers to meet with, one has to wonder.

[bgshw44]

http://showtime029.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-man-of-steel-writer-being-brought.html



you definately did say it. i hope they make it! i look forward for more news to trickle out

[FlawlessVictory]

http://showtime029.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-man-of-steel-writer-being-brought.html



Go Showtime Go! :woot:

Btw, I do visit your site, nice job. :yay:

[Ultimate_Superman]

So is WB moving forward with Superman Returns 2 or a reboot or do we not know yet?

[Super Kal]

I don't think we know anything as of yet

[Nightwing1977]

that put a smile on my face :woot:

Wrong forum to say that quote. :p :hehe:

I don't think we know anything as of yet

Yep. Some reports are saying it not going to happend, some saying it is. It like attending John Kerry's speech: a little flip flop with all the talk. But I'm curious to hear what the famous writer they're refering to is if that rumor is true. Who do you think, Showy? It could be a writer that is good with both story & action. I can't seem to think some of the writers here.

[Compi716]

Damnit, this is all really starting to annoy me. I want some solid information NOW. It pains me to think that America's greatest hero may have been defeated by "disappointing numbers."

Superman is my all-time favorite superhero, and for God's sake, I want a sequel to SR (WITH Brandon Routh).

[Super Kal]

after that movie, yeah, I'm happy it's in the drink for now

[Citadel30]

I think a total reboot would be a huge mistake by WB at this point and for these reasons:

1) a reboot means that you pretty much have to explain the origin of Superman. This alone would take an entire movie to do if you want it done the right way. Starting with the destruction of Krypton and documenting all his early stages of life: gaining his powers, leaving Smallville to find out who he is, the discovery of the Fortress of Solitude, realizing that he is supposed to be the savior of the human race.

2) The "origin" story would consume so much screentime that it would leave little time for a proper villain to be fully developed- besides Lex Luthor who has been played out over the past 20 years. This means that we wouldnt get to see a real, fully developed supervillain until the NEXT Superman movie- sometime around 2013. Thats A LONG time to wait to see a Super-Fight.
Lex is Superman's main enemy, but its about time to see Superman take on one of his rival super-villains (Bizarro, Doomsday, etc). I believe that a supervillain just "showing up" to earth wouldn't be doing any justice to plot development.

3) SR already has the origin part taken care of- even though SR has some cheesy subplots (Jason)- i still feel that MOS could devote ample time to a Supervillain's character development. By just shooting a sequel to Singer's franchise- whether it's Singer or someone else directing- it would allow us, the fans, to see what we are craving the most: SUPER-FIGHT!!

I know SR was a tribute to Donner's vision- but I feel Routh did a good job as Superman and that a complete reboot of the franchise would be a huge mistake. Just take what Singer gave us and run with it. We can always use flashbacks to fill in some of the missing pieces of Superman's unanswered questions from SR.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Jason really is not to much of a problem. I mean look at the comics with Chris Kent if done right Jason does work. My only problem is the time line. I feel that Man of Steel should take place 2 weeks to a month after the events in Superman Returns. I mean I don't have a problem with him having a kid but I do have a problem with Superman hiding who he is from Lois after the fact of finding out that they share a child for a long period of time. That being said unless they recast Jason your looking at a year gap between the two movies at least and that is to long IMO for Superman to not tell Lois he is Clark which is why I now say just reboot the series with Routh. To much time has passed.

[Citadel30]

Yeah- jason's role is minor. Superman does need to tell Lois that he is Clark, but then where does that leave Richard. He really didnt play the a$$hole who Lois should leave- the audience would be sympathetic if Lois left him- IMO.

You are correct- the timeline is going to be all screwed up unless they explain that Jason matures faster than normal kids because of his super genetics. But i think a reboot with Routh would just confuse people.

On another subject- If they do a sequel to SR- how do you think the remaining crystals from the FOS floating around in space will come into play. The FOS is dead in its current state because Lex took all of them. those crystals in space could lead to a Bizarro or another Super-villain.

[Super Kal]

I don't see any problem in explaining another origin... in fact, I want to see that. I want to see them escape the outdated vision of the Donnerverse

[Ultimate_Superman]

This is something I would love to see in Man of Steel.


http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/wizarduniverse_1990_124580686